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ASA launch program- 1956

On the 4th of May Lieutenant Park Young Jung of the IKAF sucessfully gained orbit and staed there for two day before returning, whilst in earth orbit he took many pictures of our planet from space.

The 6th of June launch marked two notable events in the history of the ASA the first was that it was the last launch for the Gio Dong II launch vehicle and module before the introduction of the new Tai Kun module next year. The second notable event marked the launching of the first female astronaunt into space, Lieutenant Kanya Lawan of the UIMC completed the launch and sebsequent orbits with skill and competancy. Upon landing the Marine pilot described the journey as breathtaking.

The Gan Xing unmanned probe to Mars failed on the 15th of August after all contact with the craft was lost when it left earth orbit.

ooc. because I've a lot of points left, the UIR donates 4 points in 1956 and 8.5 points in 1957 to various SCT research programes and the space program. Is there a chance for a UIR citizen to go up to space in the next couple of years?

ooc. because I've a lot of points left, the UIR donates 4 points in 1956 and 8.5 points in 1957 to various SCT research programes and the space program. Is there a chance for a UIR citizen to go up to space in the next couple of years?

Sure One of your guys will be put on the scehdule.

The UIR has just finished Rural Electrification on her own, so SCT help is not needed. We thank you however for your offer of help on that field.

Pre-Selection in the United Islamic Republican Airforce has led to the following list of three possible Astronauts:

-Achmed Ali Azar, 26 years, UIRA
-Mohammed Firoz, 28 years, UIRA
-Mehmed Sohrab, 31 years, UIRA

Important SIC.

Can the UIR enter in a military and economical alliance with SU? We understand that recent tensions in which the SU was involved may raise a few eyebrows, but we think it could benefit all of us.

Important SIC.

Can the UIR enter in a military and economical alliance with SU? We understand that recent tensions in which the SU was involved may raise a few eyebrows, but we think it could benefit all of us.

SIC:

Korea advises against the military pact, citing the German-Scandanvian Tensions, but thinks the Economic Pact is alright; though advises caution considering the new diplomatic situation (Oceanic Alliance).

Important SIC.

Can the UIR enter in a military and economical alliances with SU? We understand that recent tensions in which the SU was involved may raise a few eyebrows, but we think it could benefit all of us.

SIC:

The USEA stresses that while member nations can make alliance outside of the SCT if they wish to, a military alliance with such a belligerent power as the SU could lead for some complications futher down the line and therefore advises against a military stipulation.

SIC: Chancellor Schuschnigg approaches the Chinese Ambassador to Germany about the current situation with the new Oceanic Alliance. He asks about meeting the entire SCT secretly to get the entire Conference's thoughts on the situation. He also informs the ambassador that the Chief of Armed Forces would be joining them.

Foreign Minister Adenauer will be on a separate tour so that the travel will be inconspicuous.

Parthini']SIC: Chancellor Schuschnigg approaches the Chinese Ambassador to Germany about the current situation with the new Oceanic Alliance. He asks about meeting the entire SCT secretly to get the entire Conference's thoughts on the situation. He also informs the ambassador that the Chief of Armed Forces would be joining them.

Foreign Minister Adenauer will be on a separate tour so that the travel will be inconspicuous.

The Chinese ambassador quietly and secretly passes the secret information to his superiors, who in turn convey the secret proposal to fellow SCT members.

if asked during the Darwin talks, the US Secretary of State will point out that the Oceanic Alliance Treaty merely formalizes an existing arrangement that goes back nearly 40 years (just before the 2nd Great War)

The Chinese ambassador quietly and secretly passes the secret information to his superiors, who in turn convey the secret proposal to fellow SCT members.

SIC:

Kim Gu agrees to meet with the Germans, feeling slightly worried by the rise of the powerful new Alliance. He encourages other SCT members to do the same on the down low, as it were.

Sharina, check your TGs.

Secret:

The Pakistani delegate would rather not have dealings with Germany, preferring to get the support of the Scandic Union, but Pakistan fears Washington more than Berlin, so they very reluctantly agree to meet with the Germans.

ND check yours too.

SIC:
USEA officials agree to meet with Germany and the rest of the SCT.

SIC:
USEA officials agree to meet with Germany and the rest of the SCT.

OOC: Just out of curiosity, I got nuclear power tech from you, right? And does that mean I need to invest in the full 3-year cycle?

OOC: Just out of curiosity, I got nuclear power tech from you, right? And does that mean I need to invest in the full 3-year cycle?
You have to pay for the infrastructre, but not the research as that was done by me.

You have to pay for the infrastructre, but not the research as that was done by me.

OOC: Thanks.

1957 ASA Launch Schedule.

June the 12th saw the first launch of a tandem spacecraft by the ASA with the start of the Tai Kun series of missions. Captain Ping Qiu of the ROCAF and Captain Hiroyoshi Nishizawa of the IJNAF both made it to space in the capsule where Ping Qiu performed an extra vehicular space walk. After orbiting the Earth several times and taking pictures of the earth, moon and distant stars the capsule plummeted to back earth into the Andaman sea where it was recovered sucessfully.

In other news Senior ASA official becom concerend at the formation of the rival Quasi-military 'Alliance Space Force'. This concern is relayed to all SCT members participating in the ASA. (Currently everybody but Burma, but it will probably get around to them anyway.)

1957 ASA Launch Schedule.

June the 12th saw the first launch of a tandem spacecraft by the ASA with the start of the Tai Kun series of missions. Captain Ping Qiu of the ROCAF and Captain Hiroyoshi Nishizawa of the IJNAF both made it to space in the capsule where Ping Qiu performed an extra vehicular space walk. After orbiting the Earth several times and taking pictures of the earth, moon and distant stars the capsule plummeted to back earth into the Andaman sea where it was recovered sucessfully.

In other news Senior ASA official becom concerend at the formation of the rival Quasi-military 'Alliance Space Force'. This concern is relayed to all SCT members participating in the ASA. (Currently everybody but Burma, but it will probably get around to them anyway.)


OOC: what's the Alliance Space Force and who's in it

OOC: what's the Alliance Space Force and who's in it


he US, Australia, FNS, UK, Mexico and Canada after over a year of secret talks decide to replace the essentially defunct LTA and informal alliances that exist with a formal treaty structure.

The new alliance, the Oceanic Alliance, is given that name as all of initial treaty signers either border directly or have territories in the Pacific Ocean area. A few scholars note that the same name appeared in the science fiction book 1984 written by George Orwell (of a world where the Socialists managed a tie in the Third Great War).

The US and Australia sign the treaty and it is quickly ratified in the US Senate.

The first step is to rename NASA and merge NASA and US Air Force space programs into the new organization, the Alliance Space Force, which is a quasi military organization tasked with the mission of space exploration. Personnel from the US, Canada, Australasia, the FNS, Mexico and as guests, South Africa will man the agency (ooc South African personnel in mainly token strength except for tracking stations in Africa and a few astronauts).

Other missions will be added later. (and are not discussed publically)

OOC: Nasty, nasty Americans.

In other news Senior ASA official becom concerend at the formation of the rival Quasi-military 'Alliance Space Force'. This concern is relayed to all SCT members participating in the ASA. (Currently everybody but Burma, but it will probably get around to them anyway.)

SIC:

The Kim Government, in response to these concerns, quietly budgets money for improvements in rocket technology in next years Ministry of Defense budget.

SIC:

Japan will also appropriate money for this

OOC: what's the Alliance Space Force and who's in it

ooc
before you get too excited, the US Army Corps of Engineers is a military organization that builds dams, levees etc, while the US Public Health Service is run by the US Navy. NASA is quasi military, with a large number of serving officers assigned to it. So your intelligence services would actually not really be alarmed, as its simply a formalizing of a situation that already exists. The US already cooporates fully with Canada, Australia and the FNS, as well as South Africa in space.

SIC. (bit late)

The UIR is willing to talk with the Germans and is slightly concerned with the new alliance...

China has donated 25 points to the Asian Space Program.

I thought I was part of the Asian exchange program?

I thought I was part of the Asian exchange program?
OOC: Sorry I forgot about you.

In a highly controversial move, the Syrian Majlis al-Chaab and Majlis Watani both passed a measure calling for dialouge with the SCT on reducing tarriffs between SCT nations and Syria. Supporters hope this measure will make goods more affordable for consumers and decrease dependency on European products, especially cars. Many opponents do not wish to compromise Syria's role in the Arab League for one in the SCT, and believe this may be the first step towards membership.

(OOC: If it is agreed to, it will be a symbolic victory for the pro-Asian bloc of senators, if not then the pro-Arab and pro-Europe blocs score points, so to speak)

Pakistan supports the measure introduced by Syria

In a highly controversial move, the Syrian Majlis al-Chaab and Majlis Watani both passed a measure calling for dialouge with the SCT on reducing tarriffs between SCT nations and Syria. Supporters hope this measure will make goods more affordable for consumers and decrease dependency on European products, especially cars. Many opponents do not wish to compromise Syria's role in the Arab League for one in the SCT, and believe this may be the first step towards membership.

(OOC: If it is agreed to, it will be a symbolic victory for the pro-Asian bloc of senators, if not then the pro-Arab and pro-Europe blocs score points, so to speak)

The USEA always happy to see an improvement in relations between Asia and the rest of the world, agrees to talks with the Syrians and encourages other members to do the same citing that the rapidly developing Middle Eastern region would be an ideal outlet for Aisan goods.

Japan agrees to this as well

OOC: Thanks. Thanks a lot guys.

SIC: In Cape Town, Adenauer, hearing of the news quietly asks the Korean delegate to step aside. He reminds Korea of the vital importance of the Middle East to Germany and reminds him how Germany also went to nuclear war with Scandinavia over the region.

Parthini']OOC: Thanks. Thanks a lot guys.

SIC: In Cape Town, Adenauer, hearing of the news quietly asks the Korean delegate to step aside. He reminds Korea of the vital importance of the Middle East to Germany and reminds him how Germany also went to nuclear war with Scandinavia over the region.

OOC: do you mean almost went to nuclear war? Cause I don't remember you nuking the SU

1958 ASA Report:

Launches this Year:
The 22nd of July saw yet another sucessful Tai Kun flight by Captain Achmed Ali Azar of the UIRA and Lieutenant Juan Phong of the AFPAF, various experments and tests were conducted during their time in orbit.

Presently Completed Satellite networks:

Spy Satellite network
Improved Communications satellite network
Improved Science satellites
Early Warning satellite network

OOC: do you mean almost went to nuclear war? Cause I don't remember you nuking the SU

OOC: Yeah...Yeah. Almost is the right word...

China donates 54 points to the Asian Space Program for 1959.

The Kra Canal company has obtained permission from the Thai and USEA federal government to construct the Kra canal. They have started asking SCT member nations wether they would be willing to donate points towards its construction for a share in the profits.

(Total needed 20, I will provide the second 20 points)

China will donate 7 points towards the construction of the Kra canal.

Pakistan will try to donate as many points as possible, although it may be difficult due to our lack of funding.

On July the 17th Captain Afanasy M. Kulikov of the IKAF and Lieutenant Baldev Mani Sumantra of the USEAAF went on a record time in space of six days completing over 60 orbits.
Later Lieutenant Saral Naveen of the ROPAF and Captain Ru Bao of the ROCAF were launched on the fourth and final Tai Kun mission of the series on August the 29th. The mission was completed sucessfully and a ceremony was held after the astronauts were recovered in which all the men and women who had launched in the Tai Kun missions were present.
Senior project managers from the Central Asian Space Research Institute [CASRI] in Hong Kong report that great progress is being made in orbital Research station and heavy lift rocket development.

Korea is willing to send three more astronauts into space.

Lt. Yesfir Yustina Shapiro, IKAF Home Defense Force
Capt. Roh Shin-Young, IKAF
Capt. Lyuh Jin-Ho Shin, IKAF

China donates 41 points towards the Asian Space Program in 1960.

China strongly suggests that the resources it donates (the 41 points) are to be split up as follows.

1. Very Heavy Lift Rockets

2. Lunar Mission Research

3. Space Planes

4. Manned Orbital Labs

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Thats what China wishes its 41 points to be spent / allocated on.

Is there any other nations contributing points this year to the Asian Space Program?

I have 11 contributed I believe

After slight tweaking, China is donating 43 points to the Asian Space Program instead of 41.

The Asian Economic Fund (AEF) should finish shipping for the Philippines in 1961. The next goal for the AEF is to construct highways and expand transportation networks in all SCT nations.

After slight tweaking, China is donating 43 points to the Asian Space Program instead of 41.

The Asian Economic Fund (AEF) should finish shipping for the Philippines in 1961. The next goal for the AEF is to construct highways and expand transportation networks in all SCT nations.

Did you factor in my contribution to the AEF? Also, did you get my TG a long time back?

Did you factor in my contribution to the AEF? Also, did you get my TG a long time back?

Yeah I did- your contribution got the Philippines 3 new shipping units so it only needs 1 more shipping unit (which should be easily finished "next year"). Then I'll have the AEF start building highways and railroads in Asia (the "Improved Transportation Networks" improvement) for all SCT nations which should be a good investment.

The Kra Canal Construction company has recieved 27.5 points so far from the USEA and Burma. This leaves 13 points remaining before construction can begin.

The Kra Canal Construction company has recieved 27.5 points so far from the USEA and Burma. This leaves 13 points remaining before construction can begin.

I've sent 6 points to pay the SCT, the KCCC can take 3 of those points.

Yeah I did- your contribution got the Philippines 3 new shipping units so it only needs 1 more shipping unit (which should be easily finished "next year"). Then I'll have the AEF start building highways and railroads in Asia (the "Improved Transportation Networks" improvement) for all SCT nations which should be a good investment.

the US provides the Philippines with a shipping unit in 1960

The Kra Canal Construction company has recieved 27.5 points so far from the USEA and Burma. This leaves 13 points remaining before construction can begin.

The KCCC can take half of Korea's contribution this year to the SCT as payment.

The Korean Automotive Association makes an inquirty to all SCT members, asking what the possibility of a long-distance rally from Saigon to Seoul is.

The Korean Automotive Association makes an inquirty to all SCT members, asking what the possibility of a long-distance rally from Saigon to Seoul is.

The USEA would be happy to facilitate such an event and adds that there are many organizations in Indochina that would be delighted to participate.

The USEA would be happy to facilitate such an event and adds that there are many organizations in Indochina that would be delighted to participate.

OOC: This could make for a good character RP....but anyway...

IC:

The KAA appreciates the USEA's contribution, and awaits word from other members.

A momentous occasion happened in Asian spaceflight history on the 14th of June. The first Asian space station was put into orbit, the Tian Gen Manned Orbital Space Laborotory will serve as foundation for many space research projects and will be capable of housing up to four astronauts for a period of over two months.
To accomodate this a new Tai Kun II module is being designed that will be able to carry up to three people to the station in a module who will then after their period of stay decend to earth in the same module.
The first crew members for the Tian Gen OSL will travel to it some time in the summer of 1961.

Meanwhile the new Zhen Jing Observation Satellite network (Spy satellites) has been launched. This network is capble of taking much higher definition and quality pictures of the Earth's surface from space than previous observation satellite networks.

China donates 47 points to the Asian Space Program in 1961.

The Chinese directed Asian Economic Fund has finished the first round of improvements including merchant shipping and rural electrification. The second round of improvements the Asian Economic Fund will undertake is Improved Transportation Infrastructure / Networks for all SCT nations.

China donates 47 points to the Asian Space Program in 1961.

The Chinese directed Asian Economic Fund has finished the first round of improvements including merchant shipping and rural electrification. The second round of improvements the Asian Economic Fund will undertake is Improved Transportation Infrastructure / Networks for all SCT nations.

The KAA asks if the Chinese are willing to participate in a potential Saigon-Seoul Rally.

The KAA asks if the Chinese are willing to participate in a potential Saigon-Seoul Rally.

China wholeheartedly agrees to this, as the Koreans and the Indochinese have been longtime friends of China. After all, is the SCT not an endeavour to boost stability, solidarity, and true friendship throughout Asia?

China wholeheartedly agrees to this, as the Koreans and the Indochinese have been longtime friends of China. After all, is the SCT not an endeavour to boost stability, solidarity, and true friendship throughout Asia?

KAA agrees with this indeed, and thanks the Chinese for their help. They also inquire if China has a team they can send to the competition.

OOC: Mainly looking for motorcyclists. China in RL isn't known for motorcycles, though now they're making some. So you can make up a company or find an RL outfit, if you wish. It's fine with me.

The Indochinese teams that will be entering at the start in Saigon will be; Kymco Auto with their King 60 model and LianShi with their Model 18 Haro.

KAA agrees with this indeed, and thanks the Chinese for their help. They also inquire if China has a team they can send to the competition.

OOC: Mainly looking for motorcyclists. China in RL isn't known for motorcycles, though now they're making some. So you can make up a company or find an RL outfit, if you wish. It's fine with me.

The Chinese company, Yo Jet Mold Co. will contribute motorcycles and sponsor Chinese riders to the event. The motorcycles Yo Jet produces are 250cc ones.

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OOC: I don't know much about motorcycles, unfortunately.

The Harley Davidson Motorcycle Company will sponsor a Filipino team

ooc
because its simply too good a chance to pass up

OOC:

Sharina, that's pretty good. 300cc and up might be a bit better, for just that little more power.

BTW, the Germans are in on this.

IC:

Hyundai Cycle will be sponsoring a rider and team, using its newly developed "Cruiser" motorbike, coming in at 350cc.

The Harley Davidson Motorcycle Company will sponsor a Filipino team

ooc
because its simply too good a chance to pass up

OOC: I wanted Harley in on this. Thanks.

OOC:

Sharina, that's pretty good. 300cc and up might be a bit better, for just that little more power.

BTW, the Germans are in on this.

IC:

Hyundai Cycle will be sponsoring a rider and team, using its newly developed "Cruiser" motorbike, coming in at 350cc.

OOC: Ah okay.

Yo Jet company will supply 250cc and 300cc motorcycles and compare how well they do with competitors.

A momentous occasion in history occurs in July of this year, The Kra canal having been under construction for two years now and cost in excess of thirty billion dollars has finally been completed. The mammoth construction project involovling thousands of workers and contractors was completed in record time.

Now the first large cargo ships begin to enter it and so bypass the straits of Malacca into the Indian ocean. The first ship to complete the 100km journey was the bulk freighter 'Tushimo' registered in Japan.

The Canal is owned by the Kra Canal Company (KCC) which is in turned owned by a collection of nations which have invested heavily in the project.

Ownership:
USEA- 50%
Burma- 19%
Korea- 11%
Pakistan- 8%
China- 12%



(OOC: ....now what advantage does this give us?)

A momentous occasion in history occurs in July of this year, The Kra canal having been under construction for two years now and cost in excess of thirty billion dollars has finally been completed. The mammoth construction project involovling thousands of workers and contractors was completed in record time.

Now the first large cargo ships begin to enter it and so bypass the straits of Malacca into the Indian ocean. The first ship to complete the 100km journey was the bulk freighter 'Tushimo' registered in Japan.

The Canal is owned by the Kra Canal Company (KCC) which is in turned owned by a collection of nations which have invested heavily in the project.

Ownership of KCC:
USEA- 60%
Burma- 20%
Korea- 10%
Pakistan- 10%



(OOC: ....now what advantage does this give us?)

Eh, China donated quite a bit of points a while back. I think it was around 7 points, give or take a couple.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10966672&postcount=290

(Soo does the Phillipines get into this. I'm sorry I've had a busy week and I haven't read the whole point system yet. Sorry.)

Eh, China donated quite a bit of points a while back. I think it was around 7 points, give or take a couple.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10966672&postcount=290

Ah sorry, didn't see it, fixed and adjusted percentages.


(Soo does the Phillipines get into this. I'm sorry I've had a busy week and I haven't read the whole point system yet. Sorry.)


The Phillipines is in the SCT if that is what you meant.

As a member you have full access to:
-The Asian Space Agency (ASA) and the technology it researches, donations are always welcome and all questions concerning can be directed to me as I handle it.

-The Joint Asian Intelligence Program (JAIP) where infomation is shared between members

-The Asian Economic Fund which helps develop the poorer nations in the SCT and from which you can apply for loans. Questions concerning the AEF can be directed to Sharina controls its doings.

-The protection of the large, well trained and hi-tech armies of your fellow member nations.


If you meant the Kra Canal Company, then unfortunately no, though im sure you could try and buy a share in the company off another member.

If your having trouble with you builds and the points system, feel free to post them here and we will be happy to help you out with them.

Well where do I find out where the Phillipines starts at?

Well where do I find out where the Phillipines starts at?

what do you mean start at?

As in their current economic capabilities. If it's been supplied by all this stuff it has to have a starting point number and capabilities.

you have 20 shipping units (giving you 20 points), growth of 4%, population of 18 milion, but I'm not sure about the number of production centers

Now do we have factbooks here as well or do we just have this written down?

Now do we have factbooks here as well or do we just have this written down?

Yes we have factbooks. Start a News/Diplomacy and put everything there, for the latest Phillipine build ask Galveston Bay as he was handling it whilst the Phillipines was an NPC and we will help you with it if you want.

Yes we have factbooks. Start a News/Diplomacy and put everything there, for the latest Phillipine build ask Galveston Bay as he was handling it whilst the Phillipines was an NPC and we will help you with it if you want.

History of Philippines to date (in this RP)
brief Rp history of the Philippines
1900 - 01 Philippine Insurrection (historical)
1904 US promises Philippine independence by 1946 (historical)
1905 - 1934 Substantial US investment in Philippines, Filipino troops fight alongside American troops during 2nd Great War (1924-26) in Spain and France
1935 - 40 During Third Great War, US and Filipino troops fight side by side and repel Japanese invasion, Filipino troops fight alongside American troops in Mideast, Ukraine and the final invasion of Russia
1946 Philippines granted independence by US, US/Filipino defense treaty, US retains base at Subic Bay and Clark AFB,
1946 -present US continues to provide military equipment, training and support to Philippines military, and substantial investment as well. Japan pays sizeable reparations to Philippines post war up to 1955. SCT provides sizeable investment as well (builds Filipino merchant marine), US provides some assistance in that regard as well. At the present time, the US bases a fleet out of Subic Bay (figure about 10,000 US Navy and Air Force personnel plus some US Army advisors in the Philippines).

The Philippines therefore has close relations with both the US and the SCT. In addition, the Philippines has control over the Spratley Islands (with sizeable oil and natural gas reserves)

The US and Australia own most of the Pacific islands to the east of you, while the SCT is Southeast and East Asia. Russia is a neutral nation, while real life Indonesia owns part of Indonesia, Australia the eastern part, and Malayasia owns part of Bornea and Brunei (real life Malayasia plus Singapore and Brunei

Last Build for Philippines
Philippines 1961
Population 35 million, tech level 7
Production centers: Manila 4, plus international and national airlines + 20 shipping units + 2 tourism = 34
Trading partners: US 5, Australia 4, SCT nations 5, Indonesia 3, FNS 3
Level 4 social services: 17.5 points
Civil Defense: 3.5 points
PAF: 1 F101B fighter interceptor unit, 1 Neptune Maritime patrol unit, 1 C82 transport unit, 3 expert pilots (3.5 points)
Army: 1 well trained parachute brigade, 2 well trained marine light infantry brigades, 1 well trained light infantry division, 1 well trained flak unit (equipped with US SAMs), 3 reserve garrison units, (2.5 points)
Navy: 4 coastal patrol group, 1 escort group (corvettes), 1 amphibious group
(2.75 points)
SCT space program 4 points

this gives you some time to figure out whats going on before having to do a budget next week.

Japan aproaches the rest of the SCT about the possiblity of a massive joint military exercises, to cover all aspects of warfare (perhaps a naval attack, landing, and ground battle)

Japan aproaches the rest of the SCT about the possiblity of a massive joint military exercises, to cover all aspects of warfare (perhaps a naval attack, landing, and ground battle)

Korea agrees to this, and offers a scenario revolving around an invasion of Korea, similar to those staged in the late 1500's (this plan is offered respectfully, and couched in ambigious but suggestive language to avoid angering the Japanese), but with the addition of aerial combat and a landing at Inchon.

The Philippines would have no problem with this as we can help in some respects, though our forces would be a small contribution.

Japan can provide 1 Fleet Carrier and other ships if the exercise is held in 1964 or after, as well as air and army units.

Perhaps we want to delegate sides and unit strength

Japan can provide 1 Fleet Carrier and other ships if the exercise is held in 1964 or after, as well as air and army units.

Perhaps we want to delegate sides and unit strength

Korea will obviously be defender.

OOC: As for strength, see Military Thread for details.

actualy, I meant the number of units. Perhaps China and Korea as defenders, and everyone else as attackers?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485664

All Saigon-Seoul Rally participants, please post here.

As for units, Korea is willing to spare:

Korean Armed Forces

Imperial Korean Army Home Defense Force (Held in Reserve, Based all over the nation):

1 Mech Infantry Division-.5 points
1 mountain infantry brigade .25 points
1 HQ unit- 1pt (Seoul)
1 Armored Division- .5 matenance

IKA Rapid Reaction Force (Active, based near Inchon and ready to be deployed at any time):

1 Infantry Corps- .5 points
1 Parachute Brigade unit- .75 pts (standard .25 matenance plus .5 extra elite training cost)
1 HQ Unit-1 pt

Imperial Korean Air Force (Based at Sunan Air Base):

1 Avro Arrow unit- 1pt
5 expert pilots 1.25 points
1 IL-28/H-5 Light Bomber Unit- .5 matenance

IKAF Air Defense Command-

4 SAM/Flak Groups (1 in Vladivostok, 1 in Pusan, 1 in Seoul, 1 in Pyongyang)-1 pt

IKAF Home Defense Corps (Reserve)- Based near Iwon-

1 Dassault Mirage III unit-1 pt
1 average pilot

IKN West Theater (based in Inchon)-

1 Attack Submarine Group- .5
1 Units of Coastal patrol vessels- .25
1 Frigate Flotilla-.25

Imperial Korean Navy Eastern Theater (based in Vladivostok):

1 Destroyer Squadron, .25 matenance

Japan has the following scenario open to change:

Situation: A Chinese-Korean alliance attempts to destabilize Asia and the SCT.

Defenders: China, Korea
Attackers: Japan, USEA, Pakistan, Phillipines

Phase 1: Attackers attempt to force a landing at Inchon, where important Chinese and Korean officials are.
Forces Involved: Attacking naval force; Defending Air and Naval force

Phase 2: Attacking forces land at Inchon and attempt to drive toward a point in the city.
Forces involved: Attacking Air Force and Landing Force; Defending Air Force and defense force

Phase 3: USEA and Pakistani attack on South China top drive them out of the war.
Force involved: Attacking Air and Army forces; Defending Air and Army forces



I'm open to the number of forces involved

Japan has the following scenario open to change:

Situation: A Chinese-Korean alliance attempts to destabilize Asia and the SCT.

Defenders: China, Korea
Attackers: Japan, USEA, Pakistan, Phillipines

Phase 1: Attackers attempt to force a landing at Inchon, where important Chinese and Korean officials are.
Forces Involved: Attacking naval force; Defending Air and Naval force

Phase 2: Attacking forces land at Inchon and attempt to drive toward a point in the city.
Forces involved: Attacking Air Force and Landing Force; Defending Air Force and defense force

Phase 3: USEA and Pakistani attack on South China top drive them out of the war.
Force involved: Attacking Air and Army forces; Defending Air and Army forces


I'm open to the number of forces involved

Seems like a good scenario. The ORBAT up there's what I'm offering for this tussle.

Seems like a good scenario. The ORBAT up there's what I'm offering for this tussle.

The USEA agrees to this plan and will send the following units to the exercises:

Phase 1:
-Andaman Sea Fleet: [Admiral Xue Wu Zhou]
'Indochina' CVA (Phuket)
Heavy Carrier Air wing (Indochina CV, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
'Lin Yen' Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile cruiser (Phuket)
'Au Co' Zhao Tou Class Light missile cruiser (Phuket)
2x Destroyer units (2 vessals)(Phuket)
1x ASW Frigate Unit (2 Vessals) (Phuket)
'Hue' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Phuket)
'Phongsali' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Phuket)


-Marine Naval Support Group: [Colonel Tu Heng Jing]
'Jiao' and 'Rong' Commando Assault carrier group (Cam Ranh)
-Jiao class Light Carriers 'Jiao' and 'Rong'
-2x ASW air wings

Phase 2:
-1st Marine Response Unit: [General Sopheap Phirun]
1st Marine Light infantry Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
2nd Marine Light infantry Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
1st Marine Mechanized Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
2x Ht-3 Tou Helicopter transport units (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy)
2x Expert pilot (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy)


Phase 3:
-3rd Army Group: [General Lon Nol]
1st Mechanized infantry Division (Xam Nua) [Highly Trained]
2nd Mechanized Infantry Division (Xam Nua) [Highly Trained]
1st Armoured Division (Xam Nua) [Elite]
1st Mechanized Artillery Division (Xam Nua) [Highly Trained]

-1st Army Group: [General Tran Van Tra]
1st Light Infantry Division (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
2nd Light Infantry Division (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
2x Ht-3 Tou Helicopter transport units (Saigon Military Acadamy)
2x Expert pilots (Saigon Military Acadamy)

-1st Tactical Bombing Group: [General Nyugen An Phong]
1st Tactical Bomber Wing [Hong-6 Light bomber Unit] (Saigon AFB)
1x Expert pilots (Saigon AFB)

- 2nd Air Superiority Group: [General Hoko Bao An]
3rd Air Superiority Wing [Dassault Mirage IIIE fighter unit] (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
1x Expert pilot (Nakhon Sawan AFB)

China would be more than willing to contribute troops to these war games. We have at least a dozen corps worth of troops within 500 miles of Korea, as well as several hundred fighters, bombers, and heliocopter gunships.

The 10 Chinese nuclear attack submarines depart Shanghai for a classified location.

The US military goes to Defcon 2 (active forces are on alert, reserve forces receive notification to prepare for callup to active duty)

US Navy leaves port

Press is informed that this is a readiness exercise.

As part of that nuclear forces engage in a full exercise including scrambling bombers and Titan missiles are fueled (and then defueled).

China notes the actions of the USA's nuclear forces with growing alarm and seriously considers doing the same for Chinese nuclear forces.

Japan proposes (very secretly of course) that these wargames be postponed until after the threat of a possible conflict dies down

Japan proposes (very secretly of course) that these wargames be postponed until after the threat of a possible conflict dies down

The USEA of course agrees.

Japan proposes an emergency meeting be held to disuce the current situation

China seconds both Japanese proposals.

China seconds both Japanese proposals.

Korea does likewise.

of course, Chatzy is down.... Perhaps TG will be sent...lots of them

of course, Chatzy is down.... Perhaps TG will be sent...lots of them

OOC:

Copy + Paste is our friend in this case.

My god, what is happening? We're getting all sorts of reports.

in OOC terms: We funded Siberian Seperatists and got caught, but everyone else got freaked out

in IC terms: the OA has pasted us and the SU with slanderous titles and made blatant accusations as to our involvement in Siberia, and began mobilizing

in OOC terms: We funded Siberian Seperatists and got caught, but everyone else got freaked out

in IC terms: the OA has pasted us and the SU with slanderous titles and made blatant accusations as to our involvement in Siberia, and began mobilizing

Then I took the fall for us and somewhat got us off the hook, however apparantly someone is about to start shooting quite soon.

So you took the fall, that's not good. But thanks, though I doubt I'd want to end up in a war so soon out of the gates with no actual help militarily to the SCT.

The war's not going to happen I don't think, which gives us time to build up military forces

SCT chatzy is back up, TG me or Sharina for the link.

I'm trying to build an international fleet for the SCT use. That's going to take a little while. Until then it's just going to be work and such.

I'm trying to build an international fleet for the SCT use. That's going to take a little while. Until then it's just going to be work and such.

yea, figure at least 5 years cause the carrier takes 4


Also, to everyone else besides Sukiaida: will we be giving him the secret link to chatzy?

A carrier takes 4 years to build. Alright then. So how long does a nuclear power plant take? I forgot the times thing.

Also, to everyone else besides Sukiaida: will we be giving him the secret link to chatzy?

Yeah. Why not. I'll need it too...

As for nuke plants, I would assume since the Chinese gave you the tech, it should only take about a year to build a working plant (without the added tech boost, it would've taken three years). However, I could be wrong-thus, the Military Thread's the place to go for further details.

Yeah. Why not. I'll need it too...

As for nuke plants, I would assume since the Chinese gave you the tech, it should only take about a year to build a working plant (without the added tech boost, it would've taken three years). However, I could be wrong-thus, the Military Thread's the place to go for further details.

I'll send you the link
As for plants, it's 24 points for each one I thought, so Sukiaida has 17 points left to go

So I guess 1963 is going to have a nice chunk taken out for building the plant. Alright. And What exactly is Chatzy?

And What exactly is Chatzy?

An online chat service that's free. Generally resembles an IM program, but with no elaborate smileys or other bells and whistles, it's all business. It works beautifully, and it has no registration requirements.

AHHH, well I'll try that when I can. If I can. TIme constraints and all.

Nepal and Bhutan seek admission into the SCT.

However, they want assurances that they can retain their traditional (monarchial) governments, independence, and Nepal wants to continue to provide soldiers to the British government (as it provides Nepal with useful foreign currency)

An online chat service that's free. Generally resembles an IM program, but with no elaborate smileys or other bells and whistles, it's all business. It works beautifully, and it has no registration requirements.


Actually Ive lost the link (Again) So could some one TG me with it.

Nepal and Bhutan seek admission into the SCT.

However, they want assurances that they can retain their traditional (monarchial) governments, independence, and Nepal wants to continue to provide soldiers to the British government (as it provides Nepal with useful foreign currency)

The USEA accepts both Nepal and Bhutan's admission and assures them that they are allowed to conduct their own internal affairs as they see fit (Japan still has a monarchy and so does half the USEA).

As for the Nepalese providing soldiers to the British governemnt the USEA sees no particluar problem with that at this time.

USEA votes in favour of acceptance for both Nepal and Bhutan.

(Gonnna have to redo the flag. *Grumble grumble*)

The USEA accepts both Nepal and Bhutan's admission and assures them that they are allowed to conduct their own internal affairs as they see fit (Japan still has a monarchy and so does half the USEA).

As for the Nepalese providing soldiers to the British governemnt the USEA sees no particluar problem with that at this time.

USEA votes in favour of acceptance for both Nepal and Bhutan.

(Gonnna have to redo the flag. *Grumble grumble*)

Korea seconds this.

Japan votes for entry

China quietly expresses some reservation to the SCT leadership about Nepal. The problem is not the Nepal nation itself, but its ties with Britain. What is Nepal's loyalty? To Britain and by extension the Oceanic Alliance allies of Britain, or to the SCT?

China does not see any problem with Bhutan in the SCT, though.

China quietly expresses some reservation to the SCT leadership about Nepal. The problem is not the Nepal nation itself, but its ties with Britain. What is Nepal's loyalty? To Britain and by extension the Oceanic Alliance allies of Britain, or to the SCT?

China does not see any problem with Bhutan in the SCT, though.

Japan would like to remind Nepal that Japan and the Phillipines both have alliances with the U.S, starting member of the OA, yet we are members of the OA

Japan would like to remind Nepal that Japan and the Phillipines both have alliances with the U.S, starting member of the OA, yet we are members of the OA

China realizes this.

However, we are just expressing our concerns after the recent trouble in Siberia. In that crisis, it seemed like the SCT were about to go at blows with the OA, and in situations like that, it becomes necessary to know who stands with whom.

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OOC:

Just covering all the bases- especially possible leaking of SCT information to the OA.

The UIP also states this concern as while the UIP may have connections to the United States, we also have shown an extreme interest in getting more involved with the SCT and have declared neutrality in certain aspects. We do not have any military helping agreement with the United States in relation to our soldiers going to their help. The bases on our shores are simply for certain security reasons. In truth the UIP plans to have one of them phased out in the future.

IMPORTANT development in China.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11118986&postcount=26

It concerns bomber development and China's frustration at the inability to develop intercontinental bombers to match the US's B-52 and the FNS's B-70 in range.

IMPORTANT development in China.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11118986&postcount=26

It concerns bomber development and China's frustration at the inability to develop intercontinental bombers to match the US's B-52 and the FNS's B-70 in range.

Just use Lamsong tankers in conjunction with the Kirin Bs to get intercontinetal.

It's annoying I know but as we improve the Kirins by the time they get to the the Kirin G then maybe it could be:

China Aviation Kirin G air combat 14, strike 13, maritime strike 8, range long, cruise missile capable (China)

Which is very good even with out the intercontinental range.

Just use Lamsong tankers in conjunction with the Kirin Bs to get intercontinetal.

It's annoying I know but as we improve the Kirins by the time they get to the the Kirin G then maybe it could be:

China Aviation Kirin G air combat 14, strike 13, maritime strike 8, range long, cruise missile capable (China)

Which is very good even with out the intercontinental range.

You're missing the point.

The Kirin's and Nova's only have 2,000 kilometer range WHILE the USA and the OA have bombers that have 10,000 kilometer range.

Even if we used tankers, they can't go 10,000 kilometers. The tankers are also limited to 2,000 kilometers. That means at the most extreme (with the tankers) my bombers can only go 4,000 kilometers (2,000 with tankers, then 2,000 more further out after being refueled). In comparison, the USA and OA can extend their bombers to 20,000 kilometers (10,000 initial, then 10,000 more with tanker aircraft)

That means EVEN WITH the tankers (Lamsong tankers plus all the bombers), China and the SCT won't be able to bomb Hawaii or the Americas conventionally, while America and the OA can pretty hit ANYWHERE in the world with their B-52's and B-70's.

Hence the need for China to develop bombers with EQUAL range as the Americans and OA (hence the nuclear powered bomber) as it appears that no matter how hard I try, China will NEVER get intercontinental 10,000+ kilometer range bombers unless I go nuclear engines or something.

Tanker aircraft can refuel 1 strategic or heavy bomber or transport unit, or 2 light bomber, fighter or fighter bomber units

And

Tanker units can be paired up with an air unit to increase its range by one (short to medium for example).

The second one is most important, it means that the tankers allow the Kirins to be upgrade from long range to intercontinetal range.

Tankers do not double the range of their aircraft, thoughpersonally I find it strange that a tanker can make a Mirage V fly 2,000 km and a Kirin B 10,000 km

Back to Nepalese and Bhutanese joining. Japan offers the following solution. Let Bhutan join immediately as a full member. Since China has reservations about where Nepal will stand, give Nepal a 3 year probationary period, and if they've proven themselves, then we allow them in as full members

And



The second one is most important, it means that the tankers allow the Kirins to be upgrade from long range to intercontinetal range.

Tankers do not double the range of their aircraft, thoughpersonally I find it strange that a tanker can make a Mirage V fly 2,000 km and a Kirin B 10,000 km

These rules don't make sense.

Take my Kirin-B bomber for instance. The bomber has 2,000 kilometer range (enough fuel for a 2,000 kilometer trip). The tankers have the same air-frame (Lamsong are based off Kirin's, and Nova tankers are based off my Nova class). So their range, aerodynamics, etc. are the SAME as the bombers.

Then suppose the refuelers fuel up the Kirin-B bomber at 2,000 kilometers (the limit of both aircraft). The bomber itself only has the physical capability to travel 2,000 kilometers. The bomber doesn't magically expand to 5x its size to have fuel to travel 10,000 kilometers.

Besides, here's a small rant.

The B-52's have 10,000+ kilometer range, whereas the larger Nova bombers only have a range 1/5 of the B-52's. This is ridiclious.

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B-52 stats (taken from Wikipedia):

General characteristics

A B-52H over the oceanContractor: Boeing Military Airplane Co.
Speed: 650 mph, 1000 km/h (Mach 0.86)
Range: Unrefueled 8,800 statute miles (14,200 km), Refueled unlimited (subject to crew limitations)
Armament: Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance—bombs, land mines and missiles. (Modified to carry air-launched cruise missiles, AGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship and AGM-142 Have Nap missiles.)
The nuclear weapons capacity has previously included B28, B43, B53, B61, and B83 free-fall nuclear bombs, or various combinations of twelve AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles (ACMS), 20 AGM-86A Air Launched Cruise Missiles (ALCM) and eight bombs.
The B-52A through F carried a tail-mounted armament of four .50 cal (12.7 mm) machine guns with the gunner sitting in the tail, The B-52G retained the quad .50 cals but the gunner moved up front with the rest of the crew and controlled the guns via remote. The B-52H replaced the quad .50's with a single 20 mm M61A1 Vulcan which offered much greater defensive fire power. In the mid-1990s, the tail gun was removed from all of the B-52H aircraft to reduce weight and because a gun is ineffective against fighter aircraft launching guided missiles.
The G and H models are distinguishable from previous models due to their shorter (by 8 feet) vertical tailplane. This configuration had previously been tested on a B-52A.
The H model is distinguishable from all previous variants by having visually different engine pods. The B-52H uses TF33-3 turbofan engines, which provided 20% greater range, 70% more thrust and are considerably quieter than the J57 engine which had been used on all previous variants
The B-52 is the only known bomber to have shot down jet-powered fighter aircraft; one unit of the type shot down two MiG-17 fighter planes during the Vietnam War.
Accommodations: Five (Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator, Radar Navigator (AKA Bombardier) & Electronic Warfare Officer) with all sitting in ejection seats
Unit Cost: $74 million
Date Deployed: February 1955


Now take my Nova bomber (based off An-225)

General characteristics
Crew: 6
Capacity: 70 passengers
Payload: 250,000 kg (551,000 lb)
Length: 84 m (276 ft)
Wingspan: 88.40 m (291 ft 2 in)
Height: 18.1 m (59.3 ft)
Wing area: 905.0 m² (9,741 ft²)
Empty weight: 175,000 kg (385,800 lb)
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 640,000 kg (1,411,000 lb)
Powerplant: 6× ZMKB Progress D-18 turbofans, 229 kN (51,600 lbf) each
Takeoff run: 3,500 m (11,500 ft) with maximum payload
Performance
Maximum speed: 850 km/h (530 mph)
Cruise speed: 750 km/h (465 mph)
Range: 14,000 km (8,700 mi) with maximum fuel; 4,000 km (2,485 mi) with 200 tonne payload
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
Rate of climb: m/s (ft/min)
Wing loading: 662.9 kg/m² (135.5 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.234



GB did not give me the correct range for the Nova planes.

NOTE that the Nova / An-225's have a range of 14,000 kilometers whereas the B-52's have 14,200 kilometers range (difference of only 200 kilometers). Yet GB says the Nova / An-225's are limited to 2,000 kilometers (Long Range) when in fact the An-225's should have Intercontinental range roughly the same as the B-52's!

The B-52's have a payload of 70,000 lbs / 31,500 kgs.
The Nova / An-225's have a payload of 250,000 kgs which is almost 10 times as much as the B-52!

Thus, the Nova / An-225's should have a strike rating well in excess of the B-52's (Talking about a strike rating of 20 - 30 MINIMUM for the An-225's and Naval Strike of easily 10 - 20 MINIUM as well). 35,000 kilograms of ordiance on a B-52-G as compared to 250,000 kilograms of ordiance in a Nova / An-225 bomber. Even if I divert at least 50,000 kgs of that payload to extra fuel capacity, the Nova / An-225's range would probably jump to 17,000+ kilometers from its original 14,000 kilometers.

Therefore, GB's stats for my Nova / An-225 bombers and aircraft in general are quite inaccurate.

actually, isn't 4,000 kilometers the trip and then another 2,000 miles back? So couldn't you techniclayy (if you were desperate) fly 2,000 miles, refuel, then fly 4,000 miles more on a suicide run? You would lose the aircraft bu have a much longer range

I think generally any statistics about military aircraft can vary greatly (US gives lower than max range/altitude so exact capabilities are unknown, Soviet statistics are traditionally unreliable)

According to www.globalsecurity.org says the An-225 (w/200 tons aboard) has a range of 4,000 km (2485 mi). B-52 has an unrefueled range of 8,000 miles (12,874 km)

I think generally any statistics about military aircraft can vary greatly (US gives lower than max range/altitude so exact capabilities are unknown, Soviet statistics are traditionally unreliable)

According to www.globalsecurity.org says the An-225 (w/200 tons aboard) has a range of 4,000 km (2485 mi). B-52 has an unrefueled range of 8,000 miles (12,874 km)

Hmm.

In this example, I could allocate the remaining 50 tons as extra fuel (as the An-225 has a 250 ton payload, of which 200 are used for bombing ordiance in this example), which should give me the range I need for 10,000+ kilometer flight.

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EDIT:

Even with the low end estimate provided by globalsecurity, the range is still DOUBLE of what GB gave my bombers (he gave them "Long Range" which is 2,000 kilometers tops).

In addition, more discussion should take place in the military thread to reduce confusion and not clutter up the SCT thread any more than it already is.

Mitubishi F-1 began development in 1967, first prototype was 1971 in RL.

EDIT: Thats possible, but someone with more aircraft experience would know better. Maintenance costs would be high though (50 tons of fuel isnt cheap).

*Looks at 7 spare oil points*
*Looks at country about to need severe amounts of oil*
*Looks at 7 spare points of oil*
*Smiles evilly*

So I should be getting the F-1 in roughly 1964- 1965?

Mitubishi F-1 began development in 1967, first prototype was 1971 in RL.

EDIT: Thats possible, but someone with more aircraft experience would know better. Maintenance costs would be high though (50 tons of fuel isnt cheap).

*Looks at 7 spare oil points*
*Looks at country about to need severe amounts of oil*
*Looks at 7 spare points of oil*
*Smiles evilly*

(snickers)

Heh heh.

I still got craploads of coal I'm not using. Coal-to-oil, anyone? (wink)

Can we make it a 4 year probationary period?

Can we make it a 4 year probationary period?

I think three years is quite enough, any more would be excessive.

Alright, I suppose a 3 year probationary period will be fine. So for someone starting off, I'll be behind tech wise for a long long time I gather.

Alright, I suppose a 3 year probationary period will be fine. So for someone starting off, I'll be behind tech wise for a long long time I gather.

Not necessarily.

China and the rest of the SCT can share their advanced technologies with you, so you'll be at the same tech level as the SCT much sooner than you think.

Take China sharing nuclear power plant tech with the Philippines for example. Saves you (them) several years of researching nuclear technology itself.

Sooo I'm closer to 7.5 than I think? What is tech level 7 anyways? The 50's?

Alright, I suppose a 3 year probationary period will be fine. So for someone starting off, I'll be behind tech wise for a long long time I gather.

Wait a second, The Phillipines are already in the SCT, you already have access to all freely given technologies, E.g. missiles, nuclear reactors, pollution controls and any of the other things you can think of.

Sooo I'm closer to 7.5 than I think? What is tech level 7 anyways? The 50's?

7.5 goals are:

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Created an Communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
6. Has spent 5 points a year for 5 years building a home-grown electronics industry.

You must complete five of those six goals to advance to tech level 7.5
(Goal #6 is compulsory)

So far The Phillipines has #1, #3, #4 and #5 (I dont know about #2, you would have to ask GB)

7.5 goals are:

1. Level 3+ social spending for at least 10 years
2. Has reached at least 75% of economic productivity maximum for at least 5 years
3. Created an Communications satellite network alone or be paying a portion of the cost of one.
4. Has the ability to build nuclear power plants.
5. Has an airline and tourist industry.
6. Has spent 5 points a year for 5 years building a home-grown electronics industry.

You must complete five of those six goals to advance to tech level 7.5
(Goal #6 is compulsory)

So far The Phillipines has #1, #3, #4 and #5 (I dont know about #2, you would have to ask GB)

But wouldn't it be logical for the SCT to export tech level 7.5 electronics to the Philippines? Exporting electronics like that happens all the time in RL.

So ergo I just have to finish the electronics industry and I am there. Ok if I start. That's 1967 then. Or is it shortened due to being apart of the SCT?

But wouldn't it be logical for the SCT to export tech level 7.5 electronics to the Philippines? Exporting electronics like that happens all the time in RL.

It's the 'home grown' industry part thats the key here, to be tech level 7.5 he has to be able to manufacture them himself.

So ergo I just have to finish the electronics industry and I am there. Ok if I start. That's 1967 then. Or is it shortened due to being apart of the SCT?

1967, no reductions. Which means if you get #2 down and do your micro-computing industry as soon as youv'e finished electronics, you will have tech level 8 by 1977

Alright then. And it will be 1968 it seems cause 5 years and stuff. Oh well. I'll be behind everyone else, but I suppose I'll muddle through.

Seeing the recent student exchange between South Africa and several SCT nations, Japan proposes that the SCT begin a student exchange program between all SCT nations

Seeing the recent student exchange between South Africa and several SCT nations, Japan proposes that the SCT begin a student exchange program between all SCT nations

Korea seconds this. We share scientists in the ASA, why not students?

Seeing the recent student exchange between South Africa and several SCT nations, Japan proposes that the SCT begin a student exchange program between all SCT nations

China seconds this.

China seconds this.

As does the USEA, spreading understanding and acceptance is just as important as scientific knowledge if not more so.

The UIP thinks this exchange would be an excellent idea. We third it. Or whatever.

The UIP wonders if the current problems between the OA and the SCT may be solved. It's become quite a problem.

THe UIP wonders if the SCT should not hold an emergency meeting here.

THe UIP wonders if the SCT should not hold an emergency meeting here.

Go to the Chatzy....

Little late for that. WHere is SHarina? I think we kinda need China for this.

TOP Secret Communique from Canberra, delivered by hand to Seoul in late March, 1964 (yay fluid time!):

In the 9 months since this nation was approached by the SCT concerning closer ties, the global balance of power has changed tremendously. We all live today in an age of chaos, for 1964 will surely be looked upon as the most terrible year in the history of man.

As such, the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand is prepared to more seriously consider close ties with Asia. The Oceanic Alliance is dead and Australia's allies are dispersed and concerned with their local tragedies. As such, we must consider alternatives.

We hope that the tragedy of the previous months has not divided us from our neighbors and we beg forgiveness on behalf of the Oceanic Alliance. We would urge you to remember that when Asia was attacked, Australia remained on the sidelines, ordering American aircraft based in Darwin to remain on the ground. And of course, recall our long history of cooperation with the major Asian powers.

As such, this nation formally requests a limited membership in the SCT, to be active as of January 1st, 1965. This nation would hope to be able to send observers to SCT meetings, with further membership in the organization to be discussed at a later date...

We eagerly await your reply.

OOC: crossposted on Japanese and Korean thread

Japan will support any entrance of Australia into the SCT and invites them to join as a full member

TOP Secret Communique from Canberra, delivered by hand to Seoul in late March, 1964 (yay fluid time!):

In the 9 months since this nation was approached by the SCT concerning closer ties, the global balance of power has changed tremendously. We all live today in an age of chaos, for 1964 will surely be looked upon as the most terrible year in the history of man.

As such, the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand is prepared to more seriously consider close ties with Asia. The Oceanic Alliance is dead and Australia's allies are dispersed and concerned with their local tragedies. As such, we must consider alternatives.

We hope that the tragedy of the previous months has not divided us from our neighbors and we beg forgiveness on behalf of the Oceanic Alliance. We would urge you to remember that when Asia was attacked, Australia remained on the sidelines, ordering American aircraft based in Darwin to remain on the ground. And of course, recall our long history of cooperation with the major Asian powers.

As such, this nation formally requests a limited membership in the SCT, to be active as of January 1st, 1965. This nation would hope to be able to send observers to SCT meetings, with further membership in the organization to be discussed at a later date...

We eagerly await your reply.

OOC: crossposted on Japanese and Korean thread

From: Speaker Kim Gu
To: Canberra

We in Seoul recognize the Australian people were not complicit in the great crime that was committed against our neighbor, committed by madmen in Washington. In addition, you will find us to be more hospitable and stable allies. As such, we support your entrance into the SCT, and will second the Japanese invitation for you to enter in full.

The Indochinese representative, in the SCT Council building and headquarters in Seoul, manages to get communication through to Admiral/President Xue Wu Zhou in Phnom Penh. After recieving the reply he announces that Indochina supports Austrailian membership. Particular thanks is accorded to the Austrailians for grounding American forces during the nuclear bombardment.

(The Indochinese refuse to call the event a 'nuclear exchange' as no exchanging was done.)

China adds its vote to allow Australia into the SCT.

China adds its vote to allow Australia into the SCT.

ooc
not sure how this is going to sit with Australians though. Racism is still at this point pretty prevelent in Australia, and I would think isolationism might be just as likely as seeking ties with East Asia

ooc
not sure how this is going to sit with Australians though. Racism is still at this point pretty prevelent in Australia, and I would think isolationism might be just as likely as seeking ties with East Asia

Austrialia has asked to become a member, not the other way around.

ooc
not sure how this is going to sit with Australians though. Racism is still at this point pretty prevelent in Australia, and I would think isolationism might be just as likely as seeking ties with East Asia


Well support for the OA has been dropping since the Siberian Crisis according to Cylea, and there's no way that relations would remain the same

Well support for the OA has been dropping since the Siberian Crisis according to Cylea, and there's no way that relations would remain the same

dropping OA isn't the same as picking SCT or going isolationist. Also just as likely are increased ties with UK as part of Commonwealth as an alternative security arrangement (and a traditional one).

Austrialia has asked to become a member, not the other way around.

ooc
I know but just pointing out issues involved. There are a lot of them

ooc
I know but just pointing out issues involved. There are a lot of them

Then take it up with Cylea, not us.

Then take it up with Cylea, not us.

your intelligence and diplomatic people would be pointing this out to you, at least the surviving ones in the case of China and USEA

I don't foresee any racism between China and Australia that would prevent Australia from joining the SCT. In fact, China and Australia have been working hard on improving relations since the 1940's.

You must never have been to Australia then...

I understand the reasoning behind Australia's wishes, it's just that Aussies are quite racist, especially the old ones who remember the Chinese attacking them.

Australia, especially if a new, more liberal government came around, could do it, it's just that a lot of Australians wouldn't like it one bit.

I don't foresee any racism between China and Australia that would prevent Australia from joining the SCT. In fact, China and Australia have been working hard on improving relations since the 1940's.

White Australia was official government policy for most of its existance. Only in the last 30 years has that changed. In this RP, it was around for most of Australian history as well, with some easing post Third Great War. Atitudes don't change overnight, and there would be a real fear of being submerged by a tide of Asiatics by a great many White Australians

White Australia was official government policy for most of its existance. Only in the last 30 years has that changed. In this RP, it was around for most of Australian history as well, with some easing post Third Great War. Atitudes don't change overnight, and there would be a real fear of being submerged by a tide of Asiatics by a great many White Australians

But still, 20 - 30 years is an entire "generation" of new tolerant Aussies to grow up and gain positions of leadership, though.

Besides, all the good treaties, trade, cultural exchanges, etc. that China and Australia have done in the past 20 years, as well as China being a LTA member during WW-3, should go a long way towards helping Aussies grow closer with China.

Pakistan supports Australias admission

ooc: there is in fact a great deal of anti-asian sentiment left over. Attitudes toward the Oceanic Alliance are not particularly postive, but recall that several years of membership as a member of an organization that was opposed to the SCT are not to be forgotten. Besides, there are still several hundred thousand people around that havent forgotten the Chinese surprise attack on the Australian fleet in the 1920s. Yeah, China had a gun to its head at the time, but being on the receiving end is hard to forget.

As a player I have been trying to lighten the White-Australia policy somewhat, and having Asia more advanced in this timeline has forced the nation to be more tolerant. You cant exactly ignore your surroundings completely. The trade center at Darwin (about 4 times its actual size in this timeline) is an example.

What people may be forgetting is that the Australia of this timeline is an Australasia. It includes the predominantly white New Zealand, but also island territories like New Guinea and what would have been Eastern Indonesia. As such, the population is extremely split. The south of the nation is pro-Britain (formally pro-US) or isolationist. The north supports much closer ties with the Asians.

There is an extreme rift, and no political party can get strong enough in Parliament while ignoring one group. That's why I'm playing as close to the middle ground as I can get. Participation in the SCT as a junior member is as good as can be offered for now without the government collapsing.

GB knows from a couple of telegrams months ago about how Australia was closer to the US than England. It came as a big shock to the system to see the Americans behaving so irrationally, so a new course has not been set. Further cooperation within the Commonwealth is likely, but if the British get really beat up in this general European war, Australia can not realistically stand on its own. There is a Labour government in power (a backlash against the Conservatives leading the nation so close to the 'insane' Americans) but racism is sort of a nationwide thing. So...

IC: The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand welcomes the kind words from its neighbors, but gently insists that its status in the SCT, remain at least temporarily at a lesser level. As our first act as a junior member (assuming I have the votes?) Australia requests that its scientists be allowed to visit the SCT launch site (where is that by the way?), to compare technologies and share experiences with their counterparts.

ooc: there is in fact a great deal of anti-asian sentiment left over. Attitudes toward the Oceanic Alliance are not particularly postive, but recall that several years of membership as a member of an organization that was opposed to the SCT are not to be forgotten. Besides, there are still several hundred thousand people around that havent forgotten the Chinese surprise attack on the Australian fleet in the 1920s. Yeah, China had a gun to its head at the time, but being on the receiving end is hard to forget.

As a player I have been trying to lighten the White-Australia policy somewhat, and having Asia more advanced in this timeline has forced the nation to be more tolerant. You cant exactly ignore your surroundings completely. The trade center at Darwin (about 4 times its actual size in this timeline) is an example.

What people may be forgetting is that the Australia of this timeline is an Australasia. It includes the predominantly white New Zealand, but also island territories like New Guinea and what would have been Eastern Indonesia. As such, the population is extremely split. The south of the nation is pro-Britain (formally pro-US) or isolationist. The north supports much closer ties with the Asians.

There is an extreme rift, and no political party can get strong enough in Parliament while ignoring one group. That's why I'm playing as close to the middle ground as I can get. Participation in the SCT as a junior member is as good as can be offered for now without the government collapsing.

GB knows from a couple of telegrams months ago about how Australia was closer to the US than England. It came as a big shock to the system to see the Americans behaving so irrationally, so a new course has not been set. Further cooperation within the Commonwealth is likely, but if the British get really beat up in this general European war, Australia can not realistically stand on its own. There is a Labour government in power (a backlash against the Conservatives leading the nation so close to the 'insane' Americans) but racism is sort of a nationwide thing. So...

IC: The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand welcomes the kind words from its neighbors, but gently insists that its status in the SCT, remain at least temporarily at a lesser level. As our first act as a junior member (assuming I have the votes?) Australia requests that its scientists be allowed to visit the SCT launch site (where is that by the way?), to compare technologies and share experiences with their counterparts.


Japan agrees to this

IC: (not exactly secret but not well known either

While there are more pressing issues at hand, Russia and Japan begin quietly discussing future foreign policy. Russia has the energy resources to provide for most of Asia's needs, and increased Asian trade could help the beleagured Russian economy. However, the issues of the past still must be overcome (unfortunate events under the Union on the SCT's part, Siberia and Vladivostok on the Russian part), and the populace in both nations may not be happy, but the long-term benefits could be great for both nations. No official statement is expected for the forseeable future, though. (ie, after the Aegean is settled)

Japan is deep in discussion with Rusisa about these matters, as increased friendship between Russia and the SCT would be extremly beneficial to both sides.

OOC: Elephantum, TG with more ideas

OOC: Junior member status includes no military obligations but still strengthens economic ties and gives access to interanl aid and development programs as well as the space program.

*Puts ASA cap on*

IC:
If accpeted as an SCT provisonary member Austrailian scientiss will we allowed full access to ASA facilties. Howver the ASA headquarters at Hat Yai, Thailand is currently inoperable and in need of repair work. As is the Central Asian Research Institue in Hong Kong. Current ASA operations are being based in Yokohoma, Japan at the Satellite Ground Control Station.
As the main Launch facilities in Hat Yai were damaged as were those in Mongolia, current launches will have to be made from the Gyade Auxillary Launch Site in Nagchu, Tibet or the Panay Satellite Launch Site in Panay, The Philipines.

Here is a full list of major ASA facilities.

Hat Yai Asian Space Centre (Thailand, Hat Yai) [HYASC] -Damaged and Inoperable
Gyade Auxillary Launch Site (Tibet, Nagchu) [GALS]
Admiral Yi Memorial Training Centre (Korea, Pyongyang) [AYMTC]
Central Asian Space Research Institute (China, Hong Kong) [CASRI] -Damaged and Inoperable
Satellite Ground Control Station (Japan, Yokohama) [SGCS]
Gobi Rocket Test Range (Mongolia, Dalandzagad) [GRTR] -Damaged and Inoperable
Ontake Space Tracking Centre (Japan, Nagano) [OSTC]
Panay Satellite Launch Site (The Phillipines, Panay) [PSLS]
Associated Research Complexes(Pakistan, Korea, Japan, USEA, China the Phillipines and The UIR) [ARCs]

OOC: Junior member status includes no military obligations but still strengthens economic ties and gives access to interanl aid and development programs as well as the space program.

*Puts ASA cap on*

IC:
If accpeted as an SCT provisonary member Austrailian scientiss will we allowed full access to ASA facilties. Howver the ASA headquarters at Hat Yai, Thailand is currently inoperable and in need of repair work. As is the Central Asian Research Institue in Hong Kong. Current ASA operations are being based in Yokohoma, Japan at the Satellite Ground Control Station.
As the main Launch facilities in Hat Yai were damaged as were those in Mongolia, current launches will have to be made from the Gyade Auxillary Launch Site in Nagchu, Tibet or the Panay Satellite Launch Site in Panay, The Philipines.

Here is a full list of major ASA facilities.

Hat Yai Asian Space Centre (Thailand, Hat Yai) [HYASC] -Damaged and Inoperable
Gyade Auxillary Launch Site (Tibet, Nagchu) [GALS]
Admiral Yi Memorial Training Centre (Korea, Pyongyang) [AYMTC]
Central Asian Space Research Institute (China, Hong Kong) [CASRI] -Damaged and Inoperable
Satellite Ground Control Station (Japan, Yokohama) [SGCS]
Gobi Rocket Test Range (Mongolia, Dalandzagad) [GRTR] -Damaged and Inoperable
Ontake Space Tracking Centre (Japan, Nagano) [OSTC]
Panay Satellite Launch Site (The Phillipines, Panay) [PSLS]
Associated Research Complexes(Pakistan, Korea, Japan, USEA, China the Phillipines and The UIR) [ARCs]


How many points to build a launch site, and any other space operation bases/radar things?

How many points to build a launch site, and any other space operation bases/radar things?

Don't exactly cost points. I assume it come bundled with the cost of missions and research. Just say a launch site is being constructed in Japan and it is done.

ooc:The closer to the equator a launchsite is the better it is. Cheaper on fuel costs to get into orbit. A launchsite in Japan would be less than cost effective...

IC: Australia offers the use of its fully operational Townsville launch site for the needs of the ASA until repairs can be completed on its main space ports.

ooc:The closer to the equator a launchsite is the better it is. Cheaper on fuel costs to get into orbit. A launchsite in Japan would be less than cost effective...

IC: Australia offers the use of its fully operational Darwin launch site for the needs of the ASA until repairs can be completed on its main space ports.

Korea thanks the Australians for this offer, and accepts. It also reiterates that Australia may have access to ASA faciities based in Korea in exchange.

ooc:The closer to the equator a launchsite is the better it is. Cheaper on fuel costs to get into orbit. A launchsite in Japan would be less than cost effective...

IC: Australia offers the use of its fully operational Darwin launch site for the needs of the ASA until repairs can be completed on its main space ports.

no game effect though, too much trouble to keep track of

If a launch site near the eqautor is the best place to launch, wouldn't that mean Panay was the best? Cause I don't know any other launch site THAT close to the equator for the SCT.

If a launch site near the eqautor is the best place to launch, wouldn't that mean Panay was the best? Cause I don't know any other launch site THAT close to the equator for the SCT.

indeed, Panay is superior. I was under the impression that it was a satellite launch center though. Townsville, I believe is a much bigger scale (say, big enough for moon launches?) and has launched manned missions before. There really arent that many places operational now anyway, and since Australia still hopes to cooperate with the US on manned mission too, Darwin could just become one of the first international spaceports. (!)

indeed, Panay is superior. I was under the impression that it was a satellite launch center though. Townsville, I believe is a much bigger scale (say, big enough for moon launches?) and has launched manned missions before. There really arent that many places operational now anyway, and since Australia still hopes to cooperate with the US on manned mission too, Darwin could just become one of the first international spaceports. (!)

Panay can become quickly upgraded to be able to launch manned missions, though there is little sense in doing that when Darwin is readily available as an option.

Yarrr...

I'm not sure why I keep writing Darwin. The Australasian launch site is at Townsville. Sorry about the confusion, but only the name was wrong, as far as what I was telling you guys.

We could upgrade Panay just in case that Darwin falls through.

With regret, Australia informs the SCT nations in April of 1964 that it has declared war on the belligerant Pakistan in defense of the Commonwealth of Nations. It is hoped that this action will not greatly impair Australasia's relationshipo with the organization.

With regret, Australia informs the SCT nations in April of 1964 that it has declared war on the belligerant Pakistan in defense of the Commonwealth of Nations. It is hoped that this action will not greatly impair Australasia's relationshipo with the organization.

Korea, which is currently neutral in the conflict, says nothing about it; after all, it can't do much. It does, however, issue a loud, angry letter to Pakistan, admonishing it for declaring war on the side of the CSPS.

Japan quietly lets Australia know that nothing will happen as a result of Australia entering the war against Pakistan

The Federation of South American Nations informs the SCT that a state of war between it and Pakistan will exist in a short period of time. No other hostilities will occur against SCT members; In fact, After the Pakistani military is obliterated, the South American armed forces will be in a better position to support the situation in China.

The Federation of South American Nations informs the SCT that a state of war between it and Pakistan will exist in a short period of time. No other hostilities will occur against SCT members; In fact, After the Pakistani military is obliterated, the South American armed forces will be in a better position to support the situation in China.

Due to communication problems with Phnom Penh, USEA officials pre-briefied on the situation earlier inform the FNS that they will not interfere with any allied operations in Pakistan.

The Philippines simply states that it is incapable of doing anything, and with it's new seperate alliance with Australasia, it does not consider bothering them either way. The only statement is directed at the FNS that crushing the military doesn't mean crushing the people.

The Federation of South American Nations informs the SCT that a state of war between it and Pakistan will exist in a short period of time. No other hostilities will occur against SCT members; In fact, After the Pakistani military is obliterated, the South American armed forces will be in a better position to support the situation in China.

Korea sends a similar response to the FNS as it did to the Australians.

The FNS wishes to ensure that the SCT is aware that any military action will be just that; Military. Civillian Casualties are to be expected but certainly are not being targeted.

We appreciate the ability of the Sane nations in the SCT who know the difference between good and evil.

The FNS wishes to ensure that the SCT is aware that any military action will be just that; Military. Civillian Casualties are to be expected but certainly are not being targeted.

We appreciate the ability of the Sane nations in the SCT who know the difference between good and evil.

Korea sends a letter to the FNS amounting to, "Relax, we trust you. :p "

The Philippines sends the FNS a note. "Due to the US's actions and current events with our former ally, we are a bit jumpy. We apologize about any misconstruing our former message may have been the the FNS."

AHEM!!! CUrrently we believe there is some business that should be taken care of in the SCT. Despite the Kyoto Accords.

IC: 1965: With the majority of votes in its favor and no vetos the below resolution passed in the United Nations, despite UIR opposition.

1965 Indian/Pakistan(UIR)-Kashmir Border Resolution

1. In the interests of preserving Peace in Southwest Asia and recognizing the majorities on both sides do not wish the border extended one way or the other, this resolution establish that the current India/Pakistan-Kashmir Border to be final, unchangeable, unalterable, and permanent.

2. A five mile demilitarized zone is to be establish with Neutral Sikh border patrols/observers paid for by the UN. Cost of setup would be 3 points in 1965 with a yearly maintenance of .75 points."

IC: 1965: With the majority of votes in its favor and no vetos the below resolution passed in the United Nations, despite UIR opposition.

1965 Indian/Pakistan(UIR)-Kashmir Border Resolution

1. In the interests of preserving Peace in Southwest Asia and recognizing the majorities on both sides do not wish the border extended one way or the other, this resolution establish that the current India/Pakistan-Kashmir Border to be final, unchangeable, unalterable, and permanent.

2. A five mile demilitarized zone is to be establish with Neutral Sikh border patrols/observers paid for by the UN. Cost of setup would be 3 points in 1965 with a yearly maintenance of .75 points."

read GB's post

read GB's post

ooc: Read China's post.

IC:

The Research and Analysis Wing (India’s External Intelligence Agency) notifies its Southeast Asian and Chinese Counterparts of information it has attained suggesting that nuclear weapons may have been smuggled out of China and into Central Asia after the US nuclear attack upon China. The Research and Analysis Wing presently has no idea were these lose weapons might be, but suggests searching Kashgaria to the west and the chaotic Afghanistan-Russian border.

ooc: Read China's post.

IC:

The Research and Analysis Wing (India’s External Intelligence Agency) notifies its Southeast Asian and Chinese Counterparts of information it has attained suggesting that nuclear weapons may have been smuggled out of China and into Central Asia after the US nuclear attack upon China. The Research and Analysis Wing presently has no idea were these lose weapons might be, but suggests searching Kashgaria to the west and the chaotic Afghanistan-Russian border.

The IIA (Indochinese Intelligence Agency) Is deeply concerned about this and confers with the Joint Inteligence Council (JIC) of the SCT to decide on a course of action.
This will most likely involve Intellignece and special forces assests tracking down these rouge weapons. India is asked whether in such an event it would be willing to co-operate with Joint SCT operations to recover the weapons.

India is tld that if it did the SCT especially China and Indochina would look much more favourbly on India and may be inclined to see it's side of certain arguements.

ooc
as Hansaetic has taken over the UIR, Japan is now a NPC

IC
Japan is troubled by the events of the last decade. An arms race once again led to disaster, and only through apparent blessings of the Gods did Japan escape the catastrophe suffered by China and the USEA. As it was Japan suffered heavily. Nearly 2 million old and young died prematuraly due to radiation sickness, cancer and chronic health conditions worsened by the Nuclear Autumn, food rationing and fall out from China from 1964-69. The Europeans nearly blew themselves to pieces as well.

The military way was not the answer it seemed. It hadn't worked during the 2nd Great War, it worked disastrously during the 3rd Great War as the Americans and Australians conquered Japan after destroying the navy, and once again the military hadnt prevent Japan suffering sorely during the Twilight War.

The Zaibatsu meet during 1964 and 1965 and decide there must be a better way. The Chinese way brought disaster, the Union way was even worse, and even the American and Western Way hand't worked for those nations.

There must now be a Japanese Way.

ooc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaibatsu

In 1969, the Japanese government, which over the last 4 years has been brought to heel by the Zabatsu as they bring down the pro military people one by one either through election or scandel has changed.

With that change Japanese policy has changed.

The Japanese government announces on July 1, 1969 that it would be withdrawing from the military portions of the SCT Alliance, but was williing to continue trade agreements. Space exploration would be considered seperately.

The Japanese government also approaches the Russian, Columbian and FNS governments, as well as the governments it is already in talks with (Australia and the Philippines), as well as Malaysia, Indonesia, and India, regarding trade agreements, as if needed, economic aid.

(ooc seriously, the Japanese could be doing a lot better and they haven't won a war since 1905. Being nuked changed their history in RL, and in this RP, they got conquered, ruled by the Americans, and then suffered damage because their ally got nuked. So a Japanese Way fits them culturally and they could be a lot richer then they are. Settling for second place behind China doesn't suit the Japanese realistically either).

The FNS will cheerfully sign any trade pacts with the Japanese.

ooc
as Hansaetic has taken over the UIR, Japan is now a NPC

IC
Japan is troubled by the events of the last decade. An arms race once again led to disaster, and only through apparent blessings of the Gods did Japan escape the catastrophe suffered by China and the USEA. As it was Japan suffered heavily. Nearly 2 million old and young died prematuraly due to radiation sickness, cancer and chronic health conditions worsened by the Nuclear Autumn, food rationing and fall out from China from 1964-69. The Europeans nearly blew themselves to pieces as well.

The military way was not the answer it seemed. It hadn't worked during the 2nd Great War, it worked disastrously during the 3rd Great War as the Americans and Australians conquered Japan after destroying the navy, and once again the military hadnt prevent Japan suffering sorely during the Twilight War.

The Zaibatsu meet during 1964 and 1965 and decide there must be a better way. The Chinese way brought disaster, the Union way was even worse, and even the American and Western Way hand't worked for those nations.

There must now be a Japanese Way.

ooc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaibatsu

In 1969, the Japanese government, which over the last 4 years has been brought to heel by the Zabatsu as they bring down the pro military people one by one either through election or scandel has changed.

With that change Japanese policy has changed.

The Japanese government announces on July 1, 1969 that it would be withdrawing from the military portions of the SCT Alliance, but was williing to continue trade agreements. Space exploration would be considered seperately.

The Japanese government also approaches the Russian, Columbian and FNS governments, as well as the governments it is already in talks with (Australia and the Philippines), as well as Malaysia, Indonesia, and India, regarding trade agreements, as if needed, economic aid.

(ooc seriously, the Japanese could be doing a lot better and they haven't won a war since 1905. Being nuked changed their history in RL, and in this RP, they got conquered, ruled by the Americans, and then suffered damage because their ally got nuked. So a Japanese Way fits them culturally and they could be a lot richer then they are. Settling for second place behind China doesn't suit the Japanese realistically either).

OOC:
Fair enough, Japan wasn't that powerful militarily anyway.
Also what do you mean about the ASA being considered seperately?
For all intents and purposes it is a seperate organization (Which has been stressed many times though Non-SCT countries never seem to want to join it)
And why would Japan only now be seeking trade relations with FNS, Columbia, Russia Etc. when it is already free to seek trade relations outside of the SCT?

Anyway, this is sort of symbollic of the state of the SCT, its breaking down, and the Indochinese don't particularly like it anyway.

IC:
(1970, Stupid wacky time warp)

At the Kyoto Conference on the future of the alliances in East Asia, Indochina announces that the SCT will be no more from this point onwards, it will be broken down into it's constiuent parts.


Replacing the SCT's economic section will be similarly named Seoul Economic Goup (SEG), It will also encompass the Asian Economic Fund (AEF). The presidency of the SEG would rotate around the member nations, changing each year.
(The SEG would keep the original SCT flag)

The ASA will be made fully independant and civillian, military research and space items such as spy satellites will have to be funded and researched seperately by the member nations, though Launch facilities for them will be availible. The ASA would keep ties with the Seoul Economic Group but have to ties with Asian Treaty Organization.


Replacing the military wing will be the Asian Treaty Organization, which will change from it's original purpose as a militarist arm of a power bloc to a mutual defence organization.
The Asian Treaty Organization will retain the Joint Asian Inteligence Council (JAIC) which shares intelligence among member nations (assuming they want to share that is).
The Asian Treaty Organization would be neutral to any conflict outside of Asia and of those within Asia would only require it's members to provide asistance if a country can be proved to have been attacked first by the agressor.
In a dispute between two member nations the Asian Treaty Organization would try to mediate between the two to reach a desicion upon which both agree.
If unrest, war or natural disaster causes hardship within a country, they can ask the Asian Treaty Organization to supply Neutral Peacekeepers. Member nations would be obliged to provide aid or military units to further peace keeping efforts.
The Asian Treaty Organization would be a mutual defence organization only and as such members would be free to make alliances outside of Asia at any point.
The Asian Treaty organization would have a council made up of three elected members, which ultimately decides on what course of action should be taken if there is a tied vote betwen the Asian Treaty Organization memebers.
The council is changed every three years.
There would be no research exchange or research sharing obligations what so ever.
It is hoped these measures will bring peace and stability to an Asia where tensions have been rapidly rising.

All Asian and Oceanian countries would be invited to the organizations listed above including Russia in an obervers role if it whishes.
(India will also be invited, mainly because Indochina sympathises with India IC, no matter what is said OOC, and for this to work most of Asia needs to join)

(When is there going to be a link to all that set up? And of course the UIR and UIP would state that the Indian government is illegal and should not be able to join any Asian spheres. But mostly protests.)

An ATO thread was set up by me, I'm not sure if it was put on the main thread

Not I don't believe it was. A Link here would be helpful.