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i'm sure you will do this sometime but just pointing this out Aurra Sing likes to fight Jedi with her lightsaber. just though you should know

Heh... that would get me killed. Perhaps after he is weakened.

lol, agreed. Though I thought I remembered Kraven being decimated a few weeks back (maybe I am mistaken?)

Thanks :D well, The AKA launched several air strikes against me, but it was so poorly co-ordinated, everyone wanting a Peice of the Prize so to speak that i simply downed each attack as it arrived, forceing the AKA to surrender and Withdraw, then I Forced the AKA to disband, but it reformed a few weeks ago under the ISAF, Before Automagfreek had attacked I'd gone on a massive Re-enforcement Spree, repairing Damaged AAA systems and Rearming and restocking ammunition supplies in the Citadel (The Wall surrounding Kravonika, Acts like a Giant Battlestation similar to the Deathstar in principle, but lacking A Super lazer)

Sidious was growing tired of the Operation, It wasn't going as he'd planned, More and More Seperatist worlds were falling...

The Deathstar was still along way from completion, but with the news that Slaves were on route, things would pick up quite quickly...

His Loyal Legion, the 501st in their Dark Grey Armour stood on guard looking out across the Vast space docks, Robots toiled endlessly with peices of Metal and various other up links, turning a mass of materials into a Work of Art...

Sidious turned to the 501st's Commander... giving him his instructions...

"The Base of Jedi Power is their Temple... Take a Your Legion... they Don't suspect you to have Remained Loyal to me... Hit the Temple hard... Destroy every Jedi, their Forces are spread far and wide across the Galaxy, a Surgical Strike into their Temple will cripple this Rebellion...."

"As you wish My Lord" The Commander spoke, Preparing his forces for a Strike against the Jedi Temple..

This would be the first Major Blow against the Jedi Rebellion since Sidious plans had been foiled in a cruel twist of fate....


Awesome move! I give you a standing ovation for bringing the fight home... (now lets see them deal with Yoda... *evil grin*)

with that in mind i think we should have some people RP major members of the Jedi Order that we can assume are in the temple

with that in mind i think we should have some people RP major members of the Jedi Order that we can assume are in the temple

Well Yoda is there (me)

Awesome move! I give you a standing ovation for bringing the fight home... (now lets see them deal with Yoda... *evil grin*)

Mwahaha....

Hmm...where's Anakin?

Also...Kraven, has Palps found a apprentice yet?

aside from Yoda the RPed charicters that could be at the temple include

Nuuk Ti Alk-Tai
Serra Keto
and possible Kenobi

though i think(only in the case of the Jedi Temple attack) i will have Stass Allie. then in the event i want a second charicter i think i'll go with Zett Jukassa...

Hmm...where's Anakin?

Also...Kraven, has Palps found a apprentice yet?

*slaps person who signed up as Anakin but never RPed him*

*slaps person who signed up as Anakin but never RPed him*

(Sandeya I believe)

Someone will have to otherwise I may just wisk anny away...

I as Master Mundi am looking for Mace Windu and I'd return him to Coruscant once I found him

I as Master Mundi am looking for Mace Windu and I'd return him to Coruscant once I found him

Oh, is someone actually coming to Hoth now? First everybody was coming now nobody seems to be coming...

I as Master Mundi am looking for Mace Windu and I'd return him to Coruscant once I found him

Not before the Sidious' clones get there....

Not before the Sidious' clones get there....

Oh this'll be great...rescues off of Hoth and returned in a battle zone...heh.

Oh this'll be great...rescues off of Hoth and returned in a battle zone...heh.

Its doubtful you would make it back in time for the battle; most likely well after it has occured. Hoth is one of the farthest planets from Coruscant...

Its doubtful you would make it back in time for the battle; most likely well after it has occured. Hoth is one of the farthest planets from Coruscant...
True, unless this becomes another Battle of Coruscant type of thing.

True, unless this becomes another Battle of Coruscant type of thing.

I don't think it is considering Sidious isn't sending a fleet or an army. He is making it covert, sneaking into the temple under the guise of normal clone troopers...

It is basically his attempt to do what Anakin (and the 501st) did in Episode III (except they weren't so discreet about it).

I don't think it is considering Sidious isn't sending a fleet or an army. He is making it covert, sneaking into the temple under the guise of normal clone troopers...

It is basically his attempt to do what Anakin (and the 501st) did in Episode III (except they weren't so discreet about it).
I hardly call the 501st normal...

I hardly call the 501st normal...

You know what I mean...

As clone troopers loyal to the republic and Jedi still... not to Sidious.

I'm ON Hoth, sending signals and looking for you.

I'm ON Hoth, sending signals and looking for you.
Really? I got to find that post...

Really? I got to find that post...

I think I remember him saying that he reached Hoth and began searching (maybe not in so many words though...)

@FnF: Just a note on Quinlan's use of Makashi to fight. While not requiring the same acrobatic movements of Ataru, it still requires quick, precise and fluid movements to be effective... hobbling or stumbling would effectively destroy the whole purpose of the form.

@FnF: Just a note on Quinlan's use of Makashi to fight. While not requiring the same acrobatic movements of Ataru, it still requires quick, precise and fluid movements to be effective... hobbling or stumbling would effectively destroy the whole purpose of the form.

true but as Form I would be hopeless, Form III is a hard one to master and he may not be very good at it even when not injured. Form VI would be pointless, i don't think he has mastered Form VII so i think Form V would be his best bet though i am unsure as to his skills in that area so still Makashi may be better

Your both right; it does require quick, fluid movements, and Quinlan is accustomed to fighting with Ataru. With a leg he haas to limp on, he has to rely on what the Count taught him, in conjunction with some basic Vaapad moves taught by Sora Bulq. At least until his leg starts to feel better from shot and being burned by the flat of his lightsaber.



BTW, I only posted the link to Wookiepedia so that people wouldn't say, "OMFG FnF iz godmodding!!!!!".

true but as Form I would be hopeless, Form III is a hard one to master and he may not be very good at it even when not injured. Form VI would be pointless, i don't think he has mastered Form VII so i think Form V would be his best bet though i am unsure as to his skills in that area so still Makashi may be better

Yeh, I know. I was just saying that he isn't going to be perfect with it (regardless of what training he has in it).

Really? I got to find that post...

looking for this?

The Jedi Interceptor entered into the Hoth System, followed by two squadrons of Clone starfighters (The X-wing like ones, can't remember name). Ki-Adi-Mundi's fighter approached the planet and they landed, the entire set of starfighters, as two Star Destroyers entered the system behind them. Mundi landed on the planet, and sent the psychic call to discover the location of Master Windu.

looking for this?

Gracias, now I have to go post.

The first clash of lightsabers: Aurra Sing vs. Quinlan Vos :D

The first clash of lightsabers: Aurra Sing vs. Quinlan Vos :D
That may be the oddest lightsaber fight I've ever seen...no "Big Jedi vs Big Sith Guy"

That may be the oddest lightsaber fight I've ever seen...no "Big Jedi vs Big Sith Guy"

Most certainly is. Most lilkely because nobody wants to have their characters fighting against other strong characters where they could potentially die (except me thus far with Aurra Sing)

[Warning- Impending Yoda kickass scene in the near future]

Most certainly is. Most lilkely because nobody wants to have their characters fighting against other strong characters where they could potentially die (except me thus far with Aurra Sing)

[Warning- Impending Yoda kickass scene in the near future]
Yoda doing his macho-flying little man moves...always great times, there.

Yoda doing his macho-flying little man moves...always great times, there.

Yeh... Yoda is most certainly a pimp

Most certainly is. Most lilkely because nobody wants to have their characters fighting against other strong characters where they could potentially die (except me thus far with Aurra Sing)

*Groans* Damn Quinlan, getting his ass shot up. When he gets back to Coruscant...I got some unique torture in mind for him...

*Groans* Damn Quinlan, getting his ass shot up. When he gets back to Coruscant...I got some unique torture in mind for him...

Wait... wha? You are going to torture your own character...?

Yup. It's sketchy, but so far, it will comprise of Quinlan, Khaleen, heavy objects, and the miracle of childbirth...;)

Yup. It's sketchy, but so far, it will comprise of Quinlan, Khaleen, heavy objects, and the miracle of childbirth...;)

Not quite sure what you mean by heavy objects (unless you mean a baby), but the rest makes sense. It is torture to be married and raise a child ;)

By the way, there isn't much I can do in response to you, "He had a plan..." All I can do is say, "Aurra Sing kept attacking..." So, I would start unfurling your plan now.

Sure. Watch for the edit in my last post!

Sure. Watch for the edit in my last post!

Will do. I will post shortly afterward (hopefully)

I still wait for a reponse for Nebarri_Prime. Go Pure Pwnage!

now i'm waiting for what you do, well sorta...

just a few friendly reminders to:

Candstein: please start RPing with Obi-Wan Kenobi a little more

San Texario: please inform me and or someone in this RP if you can not post ATM or please post more...

Kraven: you signed up for Commander Cody do you still want him? if so please post with him more

History Lovers: you are listed as controling Commander Bacara along with Ki-Adi-Mundi if you still want Bacara please say so or please post with him more

Pyrome: please post more as Serra Keto

Moorington: dont forget to RP with General Grievous in person, not just CIS forces.

just a few friendly reminders to:

Candstein: please start RPing with Obi-Wan Kenobi a little more

San Texario: please inform me and or someone in this RP if you can not post ATM or please post more...

Kraven: you signed up for Commander Cody do you still want him? if so please post with him more

History Lovers: you are listed as controling Commander Bacara along with Ki-Adi-Mundi if you still want Bacara please say so or please post with him more

Pyrome: please post more as Serra Keto

Moorington: dont forget to RP with General Grievous in person, not just CIS forces.


I dropped him when I took on Grevious, and Sidious, but now the Moorington has supposedly come back, I dropped Grevious and took on Sidious full time

I have to say that I don't feel like clone commanders are that important in the RP. They just give a little military edge to it and a way for your character to interact easily...

Basically what I am saying is that I don't think it is a big deal if a clone commander goes for a long stretch without being RPed.

Um, Kraven, you have about half a fleet of troops and a droid assassin, which the republic hasn't fought against yet. Why aren't you using them?

I still have Bacara and am using him actively. He is onboard the Star Destroyer orbiting Hoth.

Um, Kraven, you have about half a fleet of troops and a droid assassin, which the republic hasn't fought against yet. Why aren't you using them?

I don't want to start throwing my assets around, Hence my surgical Strike

Um, Kraven, you have about half a fleet of troops and a droid assassin, which the republic hasn't fought against yet. Why aren't you using them?

Sometimes the power of a surprise attack is better than an all out offensive.

Besides, it is Grievous who should be controlling much of those forces as he is the general of the CIS.

Ah, thank you History, Mace is finally rescued...

Ah, thank you History, Mace is finally rescued...

Alright. I just want to remind both of you that you should of on RPing your return to Coruscant as you are many days behind the 501st in returning... so, wait till after the battle.

Alright. I just want to remind both of you that you should of on RPing your return to Coruscant as you are many days behind the 501st in returning... so, wait till after the battle.

No problem, I'll work with Neyo or we can get intercepted by a Lucrehulk or something...I'll wait for History's input.

And so The Strike Begins...

Actually we should arrive BEFORE. I arrived on Hoth, found Mace within a day, and left. I arrived on Hoth before the return of the 501st.

Actually we should arrive BEFORE. I arrived on Hoth, found Mace within a day, and left. I arrived on Hoth before the return of the 501st.

You realize that Hoth is one of the farthest planets in the galaxy from Coruscant? It would take several days in hyperspace to go there and another several back... Simply put, you aren't arriving before the 501st.

Yes, but I got to Hoth at least a few days before the 501st was even ordered to return to Coruscant.

Yes, but I got to Hoth at least a few days before the 501st was even ordered to return to Coruscant.

That is fine... but that still means you have a few days back.

Alright...but remember that the actually loyal clones will come if the Jedi and/or Senate attempt to aid.

You realize that Hoth is one of the farthest planets in the galaxy from Coruscant? It would take several days in hyperspace to go there and another several back... Simply put, you aren't arriving before the 501st.

that acctualy depends on how fast a Venator can go in Hyperspace, some craft have the speed to go accross the galaxy in a few hours

Alright...but remember that the actually loyal clones will come if the Jedi and/or Senate attempt to aid.

Assuming you meant, "Remember that the actually loyal clones will coem to the Jedi and/or Senate's aid if the neded," I would say you are correct. However, the clones are not set up in the Temple or Senate building so it would take some time to mobilize and respond.

Assuming you meant, "Remember that the actually loyal clones will coem to the Jedi and/or Senate's aid if the neded," I would say you are correct. However, the clones are not set up in the Temple or Senate building so it would take some time to mobilize and respond.

As I am aware, most of the Clones are out across the Galaxy waging wars on Several planets, Hence this surgical strike, when Coruscant is at its weakest

As I am aware, most of the Clones are out across the Galaxy waging wars on Several planets, Hence this surgical strike, when Coruscant is at its weakest

still Commander Thire commands a unit that is suppost to protect the Senet

Are you crazy? The Battle of Coruscant was no more than a month ago, and it's the Galactic Capitol! It's as if Washington DC had been left totally unfortified during the Civil War! Or even with weak fortifications! At least a full legion (besides the 501st) are probably on Coruscant, probably more because of the recent battle.

hmmm, well still no one suspects the 501st to be "Traitor/loyal" so this attack is going to be highly effective

that acctualy depends on how fast a Venator can go in Hyperspace, some craft have the speed to go accross the galaxy in a few hours
True, the Acclamator's hyperdrive is .6, so it's safe to assume that the Venator's is fairly fast too. Unless someone actually found it.

You think they do not suspect? You think that the Jedi remain blinded even when Sideous has been revealed? An entire legion, that has always followed orders directly from the Chancellor, NOT reporting to the Jedi Council, suddenly, for no explainable reason, returns to Coruscant and begins cordoning of the Senate and Jedi Temple.

Who is playing Padme?

True, the Acclamator's hyperdrive is .6, so it's safe to assume that the Venator's is fairly fast too. Unless someone actually found it.

The Venator's hyperdrive is a Class 1 (during the Galactic Civil War, though technically we are at the end of the Clone Wars so it may not be that high). Remember the Millenium Falcon has a Class .5 and it still takes days to cross the galaxy...

Zactarn(sp?) Prime


and a Venator has a class 1 hyperdrive

You think they do not suspect? You think that the Jedi remain blinded even when Sideous has been revealed? An entire legion, that has always followed orders directly from the Chancellor, NOT reporting to the Jedi Council, suddenly, for no explainable reason, returns to Coruscant and begins cordoning of the Senate and Jedi Temple.

They gave a reason. They are awaiting orders.

It seems that many of the people here (the Jedi) are unwilling to sustain any losses. Face it, Sidious is pulling off a strategic move and the Republic will simply have to react...

The Venator's hyperdrive is a Class 1 (during the Galactic Civil War, though technically we are at the end of the Clone Wars so it may not be that high). Remember the Millenium Falcon has a Class .5 and it still takes days to cross the galaxy...

the Falcon can cross the Galaxy in about a day, give or take a few hours.

a Class 4 takes a week or so.

a Class 1 could be thier in a 1 or 2 days.


i like the idea of the Temple getting hit

I mean, for no reason, they returned to Coruscant. Why aren't local troops, under Jedi Council control, doing it? Why aren't the Jedi aware of it since they are supposed to authorize most (if not all) military operations.

the Falcon can cross the Galaxy in about a day, give or take a few hours.

a Class 4 takes a week or so

Well that is odd, because I remember that Han Solo said it would take about 6 days to reach Coruscant on the Millenium Falcon while returning from Sluis Van (which is closer than Hoth).

I mean, for no reason, they returned to Coruscant. Why aren't local troops, under Jedi Council control, doing it? Why aren't the Jedi aware of it since they are supposed to authorize most (if not all) military operations.

They returned to Coruscant, after chasing down a Seperatist Vessel, then they stated they had returned from the hunt and were awaiting Orders, their orders were that an Assassin Droid had been seen near the area, and because they were a legion without current orders, were assigned that mission... so away they did and started to take care of it. Deal with it, i've covered my ass on this one...

I mean, for no reason, they returned to Coruscant. Why aren't local troops, under Jedi Council control, doing it? Why aren't the Jedi aware of it since they are supposed to authorize most (if not all) military operations.

They returned after the finish a battle... they are awaiting orders.

They aren't doing anything military related currently, just protecting the people from an assassin droid. Hell, a couple of Jedi might be suspicious... doesn't mean everyone is going to immediately start attacking the clones for no good reason.

Well that is odd, because I remember that Han Solo said it would take about 6 days to reach Coruscant on the Millenium Falcon while returning from Sluis Van (which is closer than Hoth).

i recal Leia using a class 4 hyperdrive to go from Endor to Honoghr in about a week, so that don't make much sense

and my friend has a tech manual. and claims the falcon could go that fast, but mabey i shouldn't listen to him.

I mean, for no reason, they returned to Coruscant. Why aren't local troops, under Jedi Council control, doing it? Why aren't the Jedi aware of it since they are supposed to authorize most (if not all) military operations.
The Jedi are also dimmed to the Force in these times...Mace Windu says in AotC how they (the Jedi) are having a harder time feeling fluxes in the Force.

i recal Leia using a class 4 hyperdrive to go from Endor to Honoghr in about a week, so that don't make much sense

and my friend has a tech manual. and claims the falcon could go that fast, but mabey i shouldn't listen to him.

Whatever the case, it seems that I am one of the few people that are willing (and realizing) that the Jedi/Republic are going to have to take some losses.

Whatever the case, it seems that I am one of the few people that are willing (and realizing) that the Jedi/Republic are going to have to take some losses.

History lovers is the only one i can see as against you, i'm just pointing out that the Venator could get accross the Galaxy faster then you seem to think

Whatever the case, it seems that I am one of the few people that are willing (and realizing) that the Jedi/Republic are going to have to take some losses.
They'll probaly take more than that, since the 501st is the ELITE legion of clones, maybe more elite than the Shock Troops of Commander Thire.

Whatever the case, it seems that I am one of the few people that are willing (and realizing) that the Jedi/Republic are going to have to take some losses.

Yes, This isn't a Fairy tale where no one dies, and everyone gets a Happy ending, this is a Roleplay where the Badguy is Played by a Badguy... Im british... I'm An Evil Genius... All british people are... its a common fact...

Okay...let me clarify a few things. The Homeworld Security Command (Clone Shock Troopers) is there, always will be, and are fairly effective- after all, they were trained on Coruscant, just like the 501st Legion.

Also: There's gonna be some nasty stuff going down, peeps. We're taking a big blow. No stopping that. No use trying to get to Coruscant to "save the day"- hell, at this point, Quinlan's the closest to Coruscant (I'd hazard a guess at about... 6 hours away at this point), traveling by Venator-Class Star Destroyer, and he'll probably get there in the middle, or the tail end of things.

The important thing is to get the younglings out, and making sure Anakin doesn't get captured. Yoda can take care of himself fine. Besides that, the Jedi that will be killed are the equivalent of normal joe's- the big guns are out in the Outer Rim Sieges. The best and brightest. The A-Team.

Finally, Kraven, good show, but don't over-do it. Don't go overboard. A clone-trooper, no matter how good, can only do so well against a Jedi Knight...

I never disputed that people are going to die. I disputed whether it would be as unsuspected as you seem to think.

Query: Why is the Force clouded to the Jedi?
Answer: The Sith Lord was clouding it.

Query: Is the Sith Lord gone from Coruscant?
Answer: Yes.

Query: Is the Force still as clouded?
Answer: Probably still clouded, but to a far lesser degree.

EDIT: Also, a many dozen if not a couple hundred clones died in the assault on the Jedi Temple, and that was WITH Darth Vader.

Finally, Kraven, good show, but don't over-do it. Don't go overboard. A clone-trooper, no matter how good, can only do so well against a Jedi Knight...

Thanks, and of course Im not going to go overboard, no matter how good the Clones are and no matter how much I hate the Jedi, I won't go overboard

Okay...let me clarify a few things. The Homeworld Security Command (Clone Shock Troopers) is there, always will be, and are fairly effective- after all, they were trained on Coruscant, just like the 501st Legion.

Also: There's gonna be some nasty stuff going down, peeps. We're taking a big blow. No stopping that. No use trying to get to Coruscant to "save the day"- hell, at this point, Quinlan's the closest to Coruscant (I'd hazard a guess at about... 6 hours away at this point), traveling by Venator-Class Star Destroyer, and he'll probably get there in the middle, or the tail end of things.

The important thing is to get the younglings out, and making sure Anakin doesn't get captured. Yoda can take care of himself fine. Besides that, the Jedi that will be killed are the equivalent of normal joe's- the big guns are out in the Outer Rim Sieges. The best and brightest. The A-Team.

Finally, Kraven, good show, but don't over-do it. Don't go overboard. A clone-trooper, no matter how good, can only do so well against a Jedi Knight...

Are you kidding? They should cut down the younglings (sadistic laughter) no seriously though, the good guys have been winning everything, the bad guys need a chance now to do their work.

I never disputed that people are going to die. I disputed whether it would be as unsuspected as you seem to think.

Query: Why is the Force clouded to the Jedi?
Answer: The Sith Lord was clouding it.

Query: Is the Sith Lord gone from Coruscant?
Answer: Yes.

Query: Is the Force still as clouded?
Answer: Probably still clouded, but to a far lesser degree.

more like,

Query: Why is the Force clouded to the Jedi?
Answer: The Sith Lord was clouding it.

Query: Is the Sith Lord gone from Coruscant?
Answer: Yes.

Query: Is the Force still as clouded?
Answer: yes, but we know who the Sith Lord is...

As my edit points out, and it seems to have been ignored, dozens if not hundreds of clones died in the assault on the Jedi Temple, WITH Darth Vader. Now they DON'T have Darth Vader. And they have the risk of other clone legions coming and helping the Jedi. And they've split their forces, instead of all 5000 at the Temple, you've split between the Senate and the temple.

PS, when are Luke and Leia born?

Yes, This isn't a Fairy tale where no one dies, and everyone gets a Happy ending, this is a Roleplay where the Badguy is Played by a Badguy... Im british... I'm An Evil Genius... All british people are... its a common fact...

It's true. I remember reading that somewhere...

@FnF: Agreed. Though I don't think Kraven was planning on saying that a trooper could take on a Jedi. A squad on the other hand...

@History Lovers: That is mere speculation. For all we know it could be more clouded now that he has actually revealed himself and on longer has to conceal his identity.

As my edit points out, and it seems to have been ignored, dozens if not hundreds of clones died in the assault on the Jedi Temple, WITH Darth Vader. Now they DON'T have Darth Vader. And they have the risk of other clone legions coming and helping the Jedi. And they've split their forces, instead of all 5000 at the Temple, you've split between the Senate and the temple.

Yes, but all the Jedi were there then. Now a lot of Jedi have been spread out on campaigns. Sure, most are still there, but not all. The 501st should have a little more success then the movie attack, and heck, who says they manage to take the Temple this time? Maybe they won't.

As my edit points out, and it seems to have been ignored, dozens if not hundreds of clones died in the assault on the Jedi Temple, WITH Darth Vader. Now they DON'T have Darth Vader. And they have the risk of other clone legions coming and helping the Jedi. And they've split their forces, instead of all 5000 at the Temple, you've split between the Senate and the temple.

PS, when are Luke and Leia born?

this has little to do with anything in that post but in the SW uni a legion is bettween 9 and 10 thousand

As my edit points out, and it seems to have been ignored, dozens if not hundreds of clones died in the assault on the Jedi Temple, WITH Darth Vader. Now they DON'T have Darth Vader. And they have the risk of other clone legions coming and helping the Jedi. And they've split their forces, instead of all 5000 at the Temple, you've split between the Senate and the temple.

PS, when are Luke and Leia born?

Hundreds is still a small portion of the entire legion.

Luke and Leia won't be born for a couple weeks, I would assume.

Yes, but all the Jedi were there then. Now a lot of Jedi have been spread out on campaigns. Sure, most are still there, but not all. The 501st should have a little more success then the movie attack, and heck, who says they manage to take the Temple this time? Maybe they won't.

Are you kidding? Not all of the Jedi were there.

A. Aayla Secura died on Felucia
B. Ki-Adi-Mundi died on Mygeeto

Now, also, most of the Outer Rim sieges were still going at the time of the Great Jedi Purge, so nowhere near all of the Jedi were at the Temple. There are probably actually MORE Jedi at the Temple, not fewer.

Everyone: Just quit your bickering and let us see how it plays out IC.

this has little to do with anything in that post but in the SW uni a legion is bettween 9 and 10 thousand

Where do you get that? Wookieepedia doesn't say anything about it.

Are you kidding? Not all of the Jedi were there.

A. Aayla Secura died on Felucia
B. Ki-Adi-Mundi died on Mygeeto

Now, also, most of the Outer Rim sieges were still going at the time of the Great Jedi Purge, so nowhere near all of the Jedi were at the Temple. There are probably actually MORE Jedi at the Temple, not fewer.

Ok, by "all" i was referring to a base number by RotS. The number at the time of the attack, per the movie, was referred to as "all". Now, some more are gone, and now it's "most" (hint, it's algrebra). Obviously a lot were gone, as that's why they had that scene depicting the outer rim sieges.

Everyone: Just quit your bickering and let us see how it plays out IC.

what he said. :p

Everyone: Just quit your bickering and let us see how it plays out IC.

Agreed, its happened, Lets get on with it

Hear, hear.

I know I will...enjoy your last moments of bachelorhood, Quinlan, after this your gonna be a baby-daddy! *Cackles*

Where do you get that? Wookieepedia doesn't say anything about it.

yes it does. just type in Grand Army of the Republic. somewhere in thier it says

Legion/Brigade—4 regiments (9,216 troops) led by a Senior Clone Commander and a Jedi General.

yes it does. just type in Grand Army of the Republic. somewhere in thier it says

Legion/Brigade—4 regiments (9,216 troops) led by a Senior Clone Commander and a Jedi General.
Didn't we post this somewhere too?

yes, whoever RPs Cin Drallig did

I believe Nebarri is right. Also, the 501st is one of the most skilled legions in the Grand Army, hence why they were chosen for so many important missions such as surpressing the clone revolt on Kamino, defending Kashyyyk, and eventually aiding Darth Vader in wiping out the Jedi Temple (which they did quite well).

Ok, the Assault has started, and before people start saying I Godmodded and killed all the Jedi, I havn't there are still plenty left, so if people want to RP as a Jedi in the Circle, (Note your surrounded on all sides and are stuck in a cross fire) Go For it...as for the Senators, Some have escaped... but are being hunted down, So if you want to RP as a Senator, Go for it.

Hope thats cleared up any confusion there might be.

Ok, the Assault has started, and before people start saying I Godmodded and killed all the Jedi, I havn't there are still plenty left, so if people want to RP as a Jedi in the Circle, (Note your surrounded on all sides and are stuck in a cross fire) Go For it...as for the Senators, Some have escaped... but are being hunted down, So if you want to RP as a Senator, Go for it.

Hope thats cleared up any confusion there might be.

That's starting out well, nice post..."helping" Padme out.

That's starting out well, nice post..."helping" Padme out.

Thanks, Lol, I assumed it would be more efficient, and thats what clones are all about, Efficiency...

I wouldn't go any farther with Padme yet as Zactarn Prime is supposed to be RPing her (though obviously there isn't much she can do).

Yeah. BTW, is it a stretch to say that the Jedi could feel the deaths at the Temple?

Yeah. BTW, is it a stretch to say that the Jedi could feel the deaths at the Temple?
I would think that they would feel it.

Cool, thanks.

I wouldn't go any farther with Padme yet as Zactarn Prime is supposed to be RPing her (though obviously there isn't much she can do).

Oh right, Sorry I didn't think anyone was RP'ing as Her or Anakin, I plan to use her as Bait

I would think that they would feel it.

Actually, I am not sure they could. Yoda is one of the few (if not only) Jedi ever mentioned as being able to feel other individual's deaths and identify them (as he did during the Great Purge)

I would think the most powerful ones could (the ones most of us are RPing). Sure Yoda feels them, but he feels them hard, no doubt it would cause a ripple in the Force, however small.

what about the massis of Jedi, not individuals but all of them? it would be like a much lower form of Obi and the Death Star...much lower if at all

I would think the most powerful ones could (the ones most of us are RPing). Sure Yoda feels them, but he feels them hard, no doubt it would cause a ripple in the Force, however small.

I guess that is a good point. They would probably feel a ripple in the force as many force users fall, though identifying who they were would be most unlikely (which I know you didn't say - I was just tossing it in there).

I guess that is a good point. They would probably feel a ripple in the force as many force users fall, though identifying who they were would be most unlikely (which I know you didn't say - I was just tossing it in there).
They wouldn't be able to identify them for sure, even Yoda can't during the purge, and Kenobi can't after Alderaan. But the ones skilled in the Force would be able to detect a shift in the Force from Force-users passing away into the Force (geh...how many times can I use the word Force in one sentence?)

They all most certainly feel the deaths. You see what happened to Obi-Wan when Alderaan was destroyed. The deaths of two billion non-Jedi affected him significantly. How much more would there be with the death of Force-sensitive trained Jedi, who are probably crying out unconciously through the Force. Yoda was far more Force-sensitive, so he could feel the Jedi deaths individually and know who had died, but none of the rest of us are even close to that level, but would certainly feel the disbalance in the Force as well as the deaths of Jedi.

I think we have all come to agreement on that matter. Case closed.

anyone have any idea how fast an Syluire-45 Hyperspace Transport Ring moved throught Hyperspace? it doesn't say on Wookieepedia

i take a guess at Class 1 or faster though

anyone have any idea how fast an Syluire-45 Hyperspace Transport Ring moved throught Hyperspace? it doesn't say on Wookieepedia

i take a guess at Class 1 or faster though

My guess would probably be around Class 1 as all it is basically is a hyperspace engine. It is carrying a small load and they could put as much power as they needed into it considering their were no weapons or systems (other than the basic attachment ones) to be used.

Wookieepedia? What is that?

a very helpfull website

Wookieepedia? What is that?

It is basically wikipedia (the online encyclopedia) but purely for Star Wars; hence the Wookiee part.

It is located here: http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Main_Page

wiki/wookie are good but not always all that factual, the description for the weapons of the Lucrehulk were off by a lot when I checked a month ago, it doubled the weapons.

wiki/wookie are good but not always all that factual, the description for the weapons of the Lucrehulk were off by a lot when I checked a month ago, it doubled the weapons.

You are correct that it is not perfect; mostly because it isn't official and anyone can edit it. But it is still quite useful and contains lots of information on pretty much anything you want to know.

@Kraven: You might want to note that the entire RP now has to wait on your actions (not pushing you, but I would like you to realize that nobody can really post [as almost everyone is heading back to Coruscant] until you make your next move... part one would be responding to Yoda)

@Kraven: You might want to note that the entire RP now has to wait on your actions (not pushing you, but I would like you to realize that nobody can really post [as almost everyone is heading back to Coruscant] until you make your next move... part one would be responding to Yoda)

Yes, I'm aware, Ive wrapped up the Kraven war, and its pretty much freed up a lot of time now to get on with other RP's

Yes, I'm aware, Ive wrapped up the Kraven war, and its pretty much freed up a lot of time now to get on with other RP's

Alright.

(Too bad you lost :( )

being that most of us are in hyperspace or for some reason will not be geting to the temple battle any time soon i think anyone who will not be in the temple battle should pick one person from this list

Jedi Knights/Masters:
Jocasta Nu
An'ya Kuro ("Dark Woman" )
Depa Billaba (in a Coma)
Barriss Offee(Padawan is Ekria, another on this list)
Soara Antana
Olee Starstone
Bol Chatak
Tsui Choi
Kai Justiss
Halagad Ventor
Bant Eerin

Padawans:
Zonder
Drake Lo'gaan
Bene
Whie Malreaux
Zett Jukassa
Ekria

Younglings:
Mari Amithest
Ashla
J.K. Burtola
Chian
Jempa
Liam

Non-Jedi:
any senators

I won't be in, since Neyo's on Honoghr and Mace is still in transit.

If I could go with Thire, since I like working with the Clones, that'd be great.

ok, Thire is under your command until the temple battle is over

I think this is a good idea. Though I urge everyone to keep in mind that these Jedi are nowhere near the skill of the Jedi that you have been controlling especially the Padawans and Younglings (most of which wouldn't stand up against one or two 501st members).

Alright.

(Too bad you lost :( )

Its cool, Kraven is never dead... like a Shadow it recedes, only to return in the Absense of Light...

Its cool, Kraven is never dead... like a Shadow it recedes, only to return in the Absense of Light...
That was deep.

That was deep.

I thankyou, Kraven is my lifes work, 7 years in the making, and only in these Months have I been able to truely Explore Kravens Workings....

EDIT: I'm going to wait until tomorow before posting any further on the attack, just so players know what characters in the temple are available, and Im going out tonight, so I don't think ill be in any fit state to post when I come back...

Not sure how many responses you are going to get tomorrow... it is Superbowl Sunday.

Not sure how many responses you are going to get tomorrow... it is Superbowl Sunday.
Yeah, i probaly won't be around all that much tomorrow afternoon and evening.

Not sure how many responses you are going to get tomorrow... it is Superbowl Sunday.

Ah right, We don't have that event over here, so Ill get my post up so people know whats what

I think this is a good idea. Though I urge everyone to keep in mind that these Jedi are nowhere near the skill of the Jedi that you have been controlling especially the Padawans and Younglings (most of which wouldn't stand up against one or two 501st members).

Well, I have to make a mention of this:
1. You are correct in the assertion that they are not at the skill of the Jedi we control, they are not weaklings neither, some of them are almost to the level of Master.

2. Padawans are not incompetent. Let's see, Obi-Wan Kenobi was a padwan in Episode 1 and he beat a Sith Lord, and Sith Lords are far more powerful than members of the 501st. Also, if you remember, when Bail Organa came to the Jedi Temple, the few members of the 501st came and said "Off limits". Then the Jedi came out fighting, killing several clones before being taken down. He was a 10-year old Padawan, barely out of his youngling times, and he killed several members of the 501st on-screen, and must have killed many more in his attempted escape to Bail Organa. ((Offtopic: this padawan, Zett Jukasa, was played by Jett Lucas, GL's son)). Anyone who has become a Padawan must have mastered the Shii-Cho to a degree (a true master would have focussed on it as a Padawan, but most go on to different forms).

3. Younglings are also not weak. While they'd be killed far more easily than Jedi Knights, they DO have training sabers (which are very painful) and basic deflection capabilities. While they would kill one clone if LUCKY (alone), they'd still be a complete pain-in-the-arse for clones to kill, if, as in the movie, they banded together and hid. At least a few clones would have fallen to their own reflected blaster bolts.

PS, I'll RP Master Tholme.

Actually, Darth Maul isn't a Sith Lord, he's a Sith Apprentice, not near as powerful as a Lord. And her almost did kill Obi-Wan, but grew too overconfident and was off his guard when Obi-Wan killed him. Yes, the padawans won't be fighting lightsabers, but the clones group together and use squad tactics to stay alert and deal with threats as they come.

1. I didn't say they were weaklings, only that they were not as strong as our current characters. While some may be at the level of master, that still doesn't make them close to our characters as we have chosen members of the Council and the some of the most powerful Jedi.

2. Again, I didn't say Padawans were incompetent, but bringing up Obi-Wan Kenobi isn't much of an argument. While he may have been a Padawan then, he would eventually become one of the strongest and wisest members of the Order. That 10 year old Padawan that brought down a few clone troopers only did so because he took them completely by surprise; they hadn't been expecting a Jedi to jump out at them while they told a senator to leave.

3. Younglings are pretty weak. Very basic deflection abilities, usually no more than one blast shot at a time, nothing like what they would encounter against the 501st.

4. These Jedi are not going to be facing clones one or two at a time, but rather entire squads of them. Jedi, being as powerul as they are, can't block every shot taht comes at them while being fired upon by ten or more clone troopers (remember when Ki-Adi-Mundi died? He turned to see the ten or so clone troopers aiming at him, and despite being able to block a few shots, he fell rather quickly).

5. While the Temple is probably slightly more heavily guarded now (just by how many Jedi are there and which ones, i.e. Yoda), when Vader led the 501st into it during the movies, they obliterated the defenses. You might say, "Yeh! But they had Vader then!" which is true, but he didn't kill every single person inside, the 501st dealt with many of the Jedi themselves.

Zett Jukassa only killed one of the three Clones, the others where just hurt. also he had supprise. and if you look he gets taken out quickly once his suprise has been lost. not to mention that he only did that good because he spent most of his time training for combat rather then other aspects of the force. thats all i have to add.


Tholme it is then

If you want/need me to take another of the Jedi at the temple (just during the attack that is) I will, however since I already have Yoda there, I am fine as is.

Also bear in mind, that All The Jedi and the Senators are encirlced by Clones, brought to the Great halls and the Concorde, then were opened fire on, The Jedi are In a Cross fire...

while one jedi may block a shot from a Clone he's facing, it is highly possible that a bolt that missed a jedi strikes him in the Back...

I doubt that every Jedi would comply and move where told; maybe most, but certainly there would be some that did not. (Don't forget about Yoda)

I doubt that every Jedi would comply and move where told; maybe most, but certainly there would be some that did not. (Don't forget about Yoda)
I sent Thire to the Senate, so the Jedi I hope can hang on by themselves...

I sent Thire to the Senate, so the Jedi I hope can hang on by themselves...

Heh heh. Wait till Yoda joins the battle by surprise :P

adding to DMGs post. it is unlikly the Padawans and Younglings would go with the clones, well at least i don't see why they would...


i will be using Bultar Swan

OOC: hope everyone is ok with this post

It only really matters if Kraven is okay with it seeing as it doesn't really affect the rest of us (nor is it a God Mod in my mind, though possibly in others - still not to any serious degree)

In the Jedi Temple, I don't see why ANY JEDI WHATSOEVER would listen. Non-Jedi are rarely, if ever, allowed in the Temple.

EDIT PS: I think it might be interesting if at least one of our played characters made it back to Coruscant mid-battle. And we need someone to RP for the Coruscant defenders, to go and assist at the Senate and the Temple.

In the Jedi Temple, I don't see why ANY JEDI WHATSOEVER would listen. Non-Jedi are rarely, if ever, allowed in the Temple.

EDIT PS: I think it might be interesting if at least one of our played characters made it back to Coruscant mid-battle. And we need someone to RP for the Coruscant defenders, to go and assist at the Senate and the Temple.

The clones gave a valid reason for their appearance in the Temple, whether your character (the new one that you can chose of the jedi at the temple) goes with it or not is up to you.

While it may be interesting for your character to get back mid battle, it doesn't fit in the RP as they were all in the outer rim, which means that it will take a while for them to get back.

As for the clones that are on Coruscant, Amazonian Beasts is RPing them (as Commander Thire) and has sent them to the Senate to help protect the senators.

While some Jedi may or may not do as the Clones tell them, its all been on the basis that an "inicident" has happened, all jedi need to accompany us to the Central hall, there can be various reasons, setting up a Search party to hunt down the Assassin droid, working out a defense plan etc...

Jedi are not arrogant and stubborn, most of them will likely comply with the Clones purely because they asked them to, its not in a jedi's nature to refuse to go somewhere when politely asked, especialy in the urgency of the nature of it.

I think Kraven is right, clones are clones and they don't shoot you in the back, well at least not until now.

I think Kraven is right, clones are clones and they don't shoot you in the back, well at least not until now.

Heh, that is a very good point. There is no reason for the Jedi not to trust the clones - though they could have a wierd feeling about it.

((BARC (http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/BARC)))

Ah, Moorington, about your post, a BARC is a small recon speeder used by the Republic, seen on Saleucami in RotS when Stass Allie dies. Commander Neyo is flying one.

i had comp probs and couldnt get on can sombody fill me in on what happened.

i had comp probs and couldnt get on can sombody fill me in on what happened.

Well when is the last time you posted (i.e. what was happening in the RP when you could no longer get on)?

i had comp probs and couldnt get on can sombody fill me in on what happened.
The 501st, under absolute command of Sidious, are assaulting the Senate and Jedi Temple and are kidnapping Padme...

Well when is the last time you posted (i.e. what was happening in the RP when you could no longer get on)?

his last post was Cin changing fleet directions to go to Hoth

The 501st, under absolute command of Sidious, are assaulting the Senate and Jedi Temple and are kidnapping Padme...

Yeh that pretty much sums it up.

Not sure where you left off, but here is a few days summary:

Outer Rim sieges continued with Jedi and their clones going off to war. Windu was subsequently captured and left to die on Hoth. Ki-Adi-Mundi and his clones recoevered Windu. Shortly thereafter, the 501st Legion arrived on Coruscant, secretly under the command of Sidious, though under the guise of a security protocol that claimed an assassin droid went wild. The 501st entered the Temple and Senate and began requesting that all the Jedi and Senator come to the main halls (of their respective buildings). Soon after a firefight erupted between the Clones and Jedi (and the Clones and Senators, though the Senators did not stand much of a chance)... that is where we are now.

Because most of people's characters are off, far away from Coruscant and probably won't make it back in time for the battle, we have allowed them to take on a Jedi character that is at the temple (list is a page or two back). Amazonian Beasts took on Commander Thire who is in charge of the elite shock troops that guard Coruscant - he has led them to the Senate building after a distress call from a senator.

Hahahah, I laugh at that, The Intention of the Attack is to destroy the Jedi and The Senate... Remember... I'm Gunning for the Badguys here... I'm Evil through and through...

Hahahah, I laugh at that, The Intention of the Attack is to destroy the Jedi and The Senate... Remember... I'm Gunning for the Badguys here... I'm Evil through and through...

Laugh at what? I don't understand.

WASSUP PEEPS!!!!!!:p

I want to try to just use my forces to try to get the youngling's out- I lost a 1/4 of my forces on Caramm V, and another 1/4 occupies it. I know there ain't no way I'll win- just distract them, get the younglings out.

FWI, Kraven, any extra defenses the 501st got packin?

I'm having some of the younglings and padawans having successfully hidden in the Jedi Archives from the Clones, and I'm sending them through the vents to the Room of a Thousand Fountains, near the launch bay.

I'm also headed for the tallest spire, where the texts of the founding of the Jedi Order are.

WASSUP PEEPS!!!!!!:p

I want to try to just use my forces to try to get the youngling's out- I lost a 1/4 of my forces on Caramm V, and another 1/4 occupies it. I know there ain't no way I'll win- just distract them, get the younglings out.

FWI, Kraven, any extra defenses the 501st got packin?

The 501st might have already left by the time your forces arrive. They don't seem to be sticking around for a gun fight but rather a smash and grab job...

Master Tholme made it quickly to the archives, killing the few clones attempting to gain entry through a sealed door. He pushed forward with the Force, opening the archives, and made it into the archives. He sealed the door behind him. In the Archives were young padawans and younglings, hiding, with weapons at ready. He said to them "Come with me. We have to get to an Air Transport and escape the Temple."
"What about the other Jedi?"
"They can...handle themselves, for now. Come, we must hurry. Follow me." He Force-jumped to a higher ledge, signaling for the Padawans to follow him. He cut open a ventilation shaft with his lightsaber, and sent the padawans through. He said "Go straight, and this will lead to the Room of a Thousand Fountains. There may be other escaped Jedi there (OOC: Might be a good place for Yoda to find them.) You can make your way from there to the space transports. I'll meet you there."
As the last few padawans entered, he asked one of them, Zett Jukasa, "Where is Jocasta Nu?"
"She went out when the clones came."

Do you honestly think that I am going to make Yoda, the most powerful Jedi in the order, handle the Youngling's escape? That would probably be the worst use of resources in the history of warfare.

The Jedi Master grimaced as he held his lightsaber. He said to the remaining padawans "You are the oldest. Watch for the younglings. If you see clones, try and hide, but don't scatter. You are stronger as a unit than separate."
"Where are you going, Master Tholme?"
"Don't worry about me. I'll be along."
As the last padawans entered the vent, he used the Force to grab one of the statues of the Lost 20, and placed it in the vent. He looked and grimaced as he saw that he had inadvertently grabbed Count Dooku's bust.
"How ironic." he remarked to himself, as he ensured the seal in front of the vent, used the Force and jumped to a higher vent, and killed the few clones on his way to a lift. He went into the lift, and set it to go to the top of the tallest spire, and he was going to retrieve as many Jedi Holocrons and records of the Jedi as he could.

Where is Tholme going with the Jedi Holocrons and records? Coruscant isn't being invaded or destroyed... this isn't the movie. The Jedi Order isn't coming to its end; most of the Jedi, especially the important ones like the Council Members, are still alive and well, on their way back to Coruscant.

It's a good strategy to secure the Archives. It's the biggest storage of knowledge in the universe. Who knows what Palps can do with that much information. Besides, the Order just took a whooping, at their powerbase, none the less. Hell, this could, potentially, be the END of the Order. They could take a lot of heat for a massacre from the Senate. Maybe the Senate will order them to disband. Then, you'd have a bunch of reckless vigilante Force-users without proper guidance...easy pickings for, say, a Sith Lord in hiding. But, that's just wistful thingin

Time will tell, but in the meantime, it won't hurt to be cautious to save the Jedi Order's history.

It's a good strategy to secure the Archives. It's the biggest storage of knowledge in the universe. Who knows what Palps can do with that much information. Besides, the Order just took a whooping, at their powerbase, none the less. Hell, this could, potentially, be the END of the Order. They could take a lot of heat for a massacre from the Senate. Maybe the Senate will order them to disband. Then, you'd have a bunch of reckless vigilante Force-users without proper guidance...easy pickings for, say, a Sith Lord in hiding. But, that's just wistful thingin

Time will tell, but in the meantime, it won't hurt to be cautious to save the Jedi Order's history.

heh, the Order is Allied with the Republic. as such the Republic can not make it disband. besides it would cut alot out of thier armys fighting force...

rather then have yoda find the younglings and padawans i will have Swan find them

It's a good strategy to secure the Archives. It's the biggest storage of knowledge in the universe. Who knows what Palps can do with that much information. Besides, the Order just took a whooping, at their powerbase, none the less. Hell, this could, potentially, be the END of the Order. They could take a lot of heat for a massacre from the Senate. Maybe the Senate will order them to disband. Then, you'd have a bunch of reckless vigilante Force-users without proper guidance...easy pickings for, say, a Sith Lord in hiding. But, that's just wistful thingin

Time will tell, but in the meantime, it won't hurt to be cautious to save the Jedi Order's history.

First of all, he didn't say he was going to "secure" the archives. He said he was going to "retrieve" the archives. Note the difference in verbs and meanings. Had he said secure them, I would have said it was a good idea (having already thought of it myself), however the fact is that he said retrieve.

Second of all, the Jedi Order might have "taken a whooping," but it is nothing like what happened in the movies (after Order 66). The council members and strongest Jedi "survived" and are well, most of the Jedi that were killed in this purge were padawans, younglings, and the weaker (granted a couple strong ones died).

Third of all, most of the senators have been killed (note Kraven's post) and as such their is no senate to "disband the order". Also note that the Senate has no authority over the Jedi Order and thus no ability to disband them, as well as no reason why they should as it was the clones who "failed" in this instance, not the Jedi. It is the clones who turned on the senate and republic, not the Jedi.

Hence, your entire argument is illogical.

First of all, he didn't say he was going to "secure" the archives. He said he was going to "retrieve" the archives. Note the difference in verbs and meanings. Had he said secure them, I would have said it was a good idea (having already thought of it myself), however the fact is that he said retrieve.

Well, if he's going to retrieve them, store them, and put them in a secure location, the end results are the same, aren't they?

Second of all, the Jedi Order might have "taken a whooping," but it is nothing like what happened in the movies (after Order 66). The council members and strongest Jedi "survived" and are well, most of the Jedi that were killed in this purge were padawans, younglings, and the weaker (granted a couple strong ones died).

Your still losing nearly an entire generation of Jedi Knights, plus a substancial number of the Jedi Order. Not even having the Jedi Council member survive would save that.

Third of all, most of the senators have been killed (note Kraven's post) and as such their is no senate to "disband the order". Also note that the Senate has no authority over the Jedi Order and thus no ability to disband them, as well as no reason why they should as it was the clones who "failed" in this instance, not the Jedi. It is the clones who turned on the senate and republic, not the Jedi.

Yes, the clones were the traitors. And yes, the Senate has no direct authority over the Order, emphasis on direct. That doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't force them to what they wanted. But, during the Clone Wars, their were still Senators willing to blame the Jedi for many things, like, not being able to stop the flashpoints of violence, and stop the escalation of the conflict. When the Jedi were putting themselves on the line, dying on a daily basis, this feeling prevailed.

But, back to my point. At this point, the Jedi would take the heat, even though they had enough trouble at the time, for not being able to see everything coming, and reacting in kind (Makes perfect sense, huh? :rolleyes:).

So, my arguement isn't illogical; I didn't just wake up and say, "Hey, that would a great thing to add to the RP!". Anti-Jedi feelings have been around, chronologically speaking, before the prequels, and long after the prequels, well into the Yuuzhan Vong War. Actually, ESPECIALLY during the Yuuzhan Vong War.

Well, if he's going to retrieve them, store them, and put them in a secure location, the end results are the same, aren't they?

There actually is a difference. To retrieve them would imply moving them, which would in turn imply moving them off Coruscant (as he told the younglings to get to the SHUTTLE). However, the Order is not moving off Coruscant as of yet or in the forseeable future. So, yes, there is a difference.

Your still losing nearly an entire generation of Jedi Knights, plus a substancial number of the Jedi Order. Not even having the Jedi Council member survive would save that.

Losing part of one generation of Jedi doesn't not destroy the order. First of all, not all of the young generation were killed as posted in the exact post we are arguing about. Secondly, the important Jedi are still alive. Thirdly, it isn't like in the real world what would happen if an entire generation were killed off instantly - perhaps a slight lapse in the number of Jedi somewhere down the road (after the war is over), but that hardly has an affect on present standing. Also, not all of the Jedi have the same life spans and it is not like the younglings are directly inheriting every Jedi position from the current ones.

Yes, the clones were the traitors. And yes, the Senate has no direct authority over the Order, emphasis on direct. That doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't force them to what they wanted.

No, they really couldn't make them do what they want. The Jedi are still the leaders of the Grand Army of the Republic and not to mention the only thing that is keeping Sidious from a direct and all out assault on Coruscant. Nobody has the balls or such a low level of understanding that they would force the Jedi to disband. The Jedi also wouldn't agree... why the hell would they? There are still lots of Jedi left in the galaxy and most of them, powerful ones.

But, during the Clone Wars, their were still Senators willing to blame the Jedi for many things, like, not being able to stop the flashpoints of violence, and stop the escalation of the conflict. When the Jedi were putting themselves on the line, dying on a daily basis, this feeling prevailed.

There is again a difference in your analogy and what is happening in the RP. Yes, some senators blamed the Jedi for not being able to quell the Separtist movement before it grew into the war, but that was because the Jedi were advocating peaceful and diplomatic means (which weren't and didn't work), while in this RP the Jedi are clearly no longer talking about diplomacy (they are after all leading the army). Another difference is that they blamed the Jedi for not being able to stop the SEPARTISTS - in this RP, however, it is the CLONES that were the problem. The Grand Army of the Republic is supposed to be under the control of the Republic, which in turn is supposed to be under the control of the Senate, so if they really want anyone to blame, it is themselves.


But, back to my point. At this point, the Jedi would take the heat, even though they had enough trouble at the time, for not being able to see everything coming, and reacting in kind (Makes perfect sense, huh? :rolleyes:).

So basically you are making the argument that the remaining senators would blame the Jedi for not being able to see the future - something that they themselves of no chance of doing whatsoever. That is like getting rid of the top general in your country because he isn't as good as the enemy's general. (That would make perfect sense.)

So, my arguement isn't illogical.

I will stick with saying that it is illogical.

Meh. I stated my opinion on it, and don't feel like quoting all of DMG's quotes individually and typing up a rebuttle for it. If people think I'm raving and illogical for it, oh well. :p :D

*Goes to munch on a candy bar*

I'm not going to the Archives. The Archives, I left. I went to the Tallest Spire of the Temple, which is where there are ancient texts and holocrons concerning the founding of the Jedi Order, and the rebirth of the order after the Jedi Civil War. He's going to retrieve as many as possible, because Tholme has no idea if the entire Clone army has betrayed them or just the 501st. For all he knows, this IS the end of the Order, and something similar to Order 66 has gone down. He's trying to secure as much as he can. It seemed to make sense to me.

This really shouldn't have been that big of a deal - it was only a small comment I made about your choice of words and from that it grew into a debate. I think we should put it to rest now...

One last comment however; just something that popped into my head while I was typing: If the entire clone army had betrayed the Jedi, wouldn't he (and the rest of the Jedi) be feeling deaths across the galaxy and not just in the temple.

"Hello...Jedi. The name's Atton, Atton Rand, member of the Jedi Council and..."

Atton Rand was a member of the Jedi Council? (Did I miss something in Kotor 2?)

Atton Rand was a member of the Jedi Council? (Did I miss something in Kotor 2?)
Well, I suppose since you could make him a Jedi that there's a slim chance he could become a council member...not likely seeing his attitude though.

:confused:

Atton who? Didn't pick up that game...

:confused:

Atton who? Didn't pick up that game...

Atton Rand. He is one of the characters who joins up with the main character. He can be trained as a Jedi later in the game...

In the ensuing Jedi Civil War, the Council dispersed, and their members hid throughout the galaxy. When Sith Lady Darth Traya, who was responsible for the elimination of most of the old Council, was defeated by the Exile on Malachor V, the Jedi High Council was re-established. It was at this time that some of the Exile's companions, who had received basic Force training from him during their adventures, eventually became Jedi Masters and rebuilt the Council.

I'm assuming that "the Exile's companions" includes all of the Force-sensitive members of the party (besides of course Kreia/Traya), which would be Atton, Brianna/Disciple, Mira, and Visas. I'd also think Bastlia Shan was part of it since she survived as well. But, this is my justification.

Off-topic: Heck, maybe HK-47's remains are up there :)

Alright then, I guess it is fine.

(Though the information is rather debatable as Kotor 2 was ended quite abruptly and without much explanation of what happened next).

Either way, it wasn't really a big deal - just something I noticed and was wondering about.

Sounds cool enough
Name: Zaon Mokloka
Rank: Knight
Species: Wookie (They kick butt!)
Lightsaber: 2 lightsabers in each hand both are green
Combat: no idea, assault, stealth?
Appearance: 7' 8" Crimson eyes 300 pounds with cool Halo like armor just kidding but i get a energy crossbow :sniper:
Sweet

Sounds cool enough
Name: Zaon Mokloka
Rank: Knight
Species: Wookie (They kick butt!)
Lightsaber: 2 lightsabers in each hand both are green
Combat: no idea, assault, stealth?
Appearance: 7' 8" Crimson eyes 300 pounds with cool Halo like armor just kidding but i get a energy crossbow :sniper:
Sweet

you may join but (because of the number of people alreaddy in the RP and length of time it has been going on) you must also take up any of the following Jedi.(along with the one you slected)

Anakin Skywalker
Jocasta Nu
Shaak Ti
Stass Allie
Luminara Unduli
Coleman Kcaj
Pablo-Jill

also for more info on Lightsaber combat look here
http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Lightsaber_combat

but just a little basic info

Form I: Shii-Cho: the basics of lightsaber combat, all Jedi start training in this form though most move on to another form of combat.

Form II: Makashi: made for duels with other lightsaber users, Count Dooku uses this form

Form III: Soresu: basicly the "perfict defense" Jedi who use this are the hardest to kill but the form is defensive making it much harder for them to finish a battle quickly

Form IV: Ataru: jumps flips acrobatics, moving all over. just look at Yoda for an example

Form V: Shien/Djem So: large swings, pushing, hard hits, this is a form for the strong. Vader, Luke, and Anakin are examples of this form

Form VI: Niman: rather then mastering one form this is a balance of all the forms, you are not good at any of them but you can do a little from all of them

Form VII: Juyo/Vaapad: i find it hard to explane this form aside from the fact the most who use it turn to the Dark side because of what the form is. also you must master all previus forms before you can learn it. Mace Windu and Darth Maul use this form.

thats a little about the main forms but i sugest you read about them


last we can fill you in on whats happening and i can tell you some stuff about the listed Jedi if you like

A few things I would like to input:

Wookiee Jedis are incredibly rare.

Two lightsabers in each hand!?! What the hell... four lightsabers is impossible (nobody mention Grievous - he was a cyborg with six appendages). I assume you meant One lightsaber in each hand.

Do you have any RP experience before whatsoever? Because by your first post, it doesn't appear so.

I was wondering, is there any way I could join the RP. I read through the first 8 pages or so and it seems like an interesting idea.

I was wondering, is there any way I could join the RP. I read through the first 8 pages or so and it seems like an interesting idea.

you may join but (because of the number of people alreaddy in the RP and length of time it has been going on) you must take up any of the following Jedi(bacause of there importance to the order or the RP. along with any other charicter you want

Anakin Skywalker
Jocasta Nu
Shaak Ti
Stass Allie
Luminara Unduli
Coleman Kcaj
Pablo-Jill

we will also inform you of current placement and such

Thanks, let me do some research on those characters and then I will tell you which one I would like to be.

Thanks, let me do some research on those characters and then I will tell you which one I would like to be.

just a little note you should know.

all are members of the Jedi Council(aside from Anakin and Jocasta) because Anakin was voted off the council and the others where either already on it or where selected to be on it.

as for Anakin, he has been removed from the Council as i said before, but he is also now been given the rank of master.

How come nobody has chosen to be Anakin yet? I thought he would have been among the first to go?

I seriously hope you meant 2 lightsabers; 1 in each hand Ninjas...otherwise your guy has very flexible and seriously huge hands.

How come nobody has chosen to be Anakin yet? I thought he would have been among the first to go?

He was actually one of the first to go (Mace being first and Yoda being second), however the person RPing him (Sandeya) decided to either stop paying attention to the RP or quit. Hence, he was again opened up for selection.

I'll have the next posts up in a few days, (Same with the Princess RP DMG) i've been put on a new job rota, thats taking up much of my free time during the day, and when I come in im usualy kained, so I will try to get some posts up in the next few days (no more 2:30 in the morning stints... *Cries*)

It's nice to see some new blood, welcome Mare Sarenus.

Kraven, don't worry about bending over backwards to make a post; just do it when you got time, it'll still be here. :)

Shoot, I need to figure out when to get to Coruscant. Can someone tell me what part of the siege we in (beginning, middle, end)?

Probaly near the end, FnF. The bombs in the Senate have already been placed and the Chancellor is being kidnapped.

I think I will play as Anakin. I don't think I will play a secondary character, I have go to much going on right now.

It's nice to see some new blood, welcome Mare Sarenus.

Kraven, don't worry about bending over backwards to make a post; just do it when you got time, it'll still be here. :)

Shoot, I need to figure out when to get to Coruscant. Can someone tell me what part of the siege we in (beginning, middle, end)?

As Amazonian Beasts said, probably near the end; however, it is impossible to know unless you are Kraven, because he might decide to pull them out now or keep them at the temple hunting Jedi. Also, the battle so far has been pretty quick, so the rest of the Army (and Jedi) may not get back until it is over.

I think I will play as Anakin. I don't think I will play a secondary character, I have go to much going on right now.

Sounds good then.

A few notes about Anakin:
1) He is a master now (as you were previously informed of)
2) I don't think there has been any mention of where he was during or prior to the battle, so you can say that he was off with the Clone Army at one of the Outer Rim sieges or that he was at the temple fighting off the 501st (though the latter will require much more explanation of how he survived - even if he is a very powerful Jedi).
3) You can RP him as however you like. This means that unlike most other characters, Anakin can feel anger towards the Jedi and acceptance of the Dark Side or vice versa. (Basically he can join with Sidious at some point if you feel like to or he can stay with the Jedi and in the future potentially coming a Council Member and one of the most powerful Jedi).

I only have one question before I begin posting, how long has it been seen Darth Sidious was revealed to the last post in the RP. Because if it has been only a few days, then I will probably stick him on Courascant. If it has been a couple of months, it gives me a bit more breathing room.

I only have one question before I begin posting, how long has it been seen Darth Sidious was revealed to the last post in the RP. Because if it has been only a few days, then I will probably stick him on Courascant. If it has been a couple of months, it gives me a bit more breathing room.

i'm not sure what other would say, but my guess would be less then a month. this is a guess out of the blue but i would guess close to a week.

Form VII: Juyo/Vaapad: i find it hard to explane this form aside from the fact the most who use it turn to the Dark side because of what the form is. also you must master all previus forms before you can learn it. Mace Windu and Darth Maul use this form.


Some things to add.... Vaapad uses the Dark Energy funnuling off of the Dark user and make it asct as a watermill of sorts. (Dark Energy being the water). That is really all.

Some things to add.... Vaapad uses the Dark Energy funnuling off of the Dark user and make it asct as a watermill of sorts. (Dark Energy being the water). That is really all.

thanks...

hey just a question but are you going to RP Grievous as Grievous any time soon, rather then just the CIS forces in battles?

To DMG and Amazonian Beasts:

Thanks. I think I'll post with my forces entering the fray in the Temple, trying to help get the younglings to safety, meaning they aren't gonna be directly going up against the 501st.

However, Quinlan won't be in the battle. He'll be in the hospital, watching the miracle of childbirth...(Can't you tell I love to torment Quinlan? :p)

I have come back.

What has happened when I was gone?

thanks...

hey just a question but are you going to RP Grievous as Grievous any time soon, rather then just the CIS forces in battles?

Well I have yet to see a real place to put my most valuable charecter. Since the real Rping is happining at th Temple and just ened at Hoth I really don't know. Also, I hate to be so picky but could we get a person to be the dedicated RPer of the rest of the Republic's Army?

I only have one question before I begin posting, how long has it been seen Darth Sidious was revealed to the last post in the RP. Because if it has been only a few days, then I will probably stick him on Courascant. If it has been a couple of months, it gives me a bit more breathing room.

I would say no more than three weeks.

I have come back.

What has happened when I was gone?

The 501st Legion, loyal to Sidious, under the guise of returning to Coruscant after a long mission, invaded the Senate building and the Temple. They then began massacring the Senators and Jedi (in their respective places). Some of the Jedi have been able to survive and help get some of the younglings and Padawans to safety while many more have been cut down.

Many people (that is Jedi RPers) have had their characters feel the great ripple in the force when the Jedi began being cut down and have since then started sending their forces back to Coruscant. However, since most of them were in the outer rim, they have not and will not be able to arrive in time for most of the battle. The 501st has set up explosive charges and have started pulling some of their forces out - along with taking Padme with them. The battle rages on...

Well I have yet to see a real place to put my most valuable charecter. Since the real Rping is happining at th Temple and just ened at Hoth I really don't know. Also, I hate to be so picky but could we get a person to be the dedicated RPer of the rest of the Republic's Army?

i don't know about the Republic Army thing, sorta depends on what others think and if anyone wants the job. as for Greivous, evern if he is not in the battles he was ordered to guard the death star. and Sidious is currently on(or in the area of) the death star. mabey a little talking? just a thought though

I say for the Republic army, just pick a group under one of our clone trooper commanders to attack (just set it up here...)

Moorington, the problem is unlike the CIS, the Grand Army of the Republic is not led by a single person (except technically the Supreme Chancellor, though s/he doesn't really make tactical or strategic decisions). It is divided up into 10 sections, each led by a Jedi Council Member; as we have been RPing it, each of those 10 has the ability to do whatever they like with there section of the army.

Moorington, the problem is unlike the CIS, the Grand Army of the Republic is not led by a single person (except technically the Supreme Chancellor, though s/he doesn't really make tactical or strategic decisions). It is divided up into 10 sections, each led by a Jedi Council Member; as we have been RPing it, each of those 10 has the ability to do whatever they like with there section of the army.

Okay, I will RP them tallking about... The new something or other....

I have a slight Problem with Canadsteins Posts, in one post of less than two paragraphs or their abouts, Obi wan kenobi and his accomanpying Clones arrived on Coruscant and start kicking the 501st Around, Now Im not bothered about Obi wan arriving, what I am bothered about is the speed at which you arrived, In one post, im not sure how others feel, but it would take you weeks to get there, and not in one post... if you could rectify that please, I would appreciate it, Yoda and Anakin are the only really powerfull jedi on Coruscant at the moment, and bringing in More Uber jedi will get my Arse handed to me.

I wouldn't say weeks for him to return (and the one post is not a big deal because he was using fluid time), however he certainly wouldn't be returning that far ahead of the other Jedi.

Also, running through the Temple and just hacking down 501st... well, you didn't seem to be to careful about it; something that would inevitably lead you directly into a large force of 501st clones. A force too large for one Jedi to handle.



All I am saying, and this is to everybody, is don't overestimate a Jedi's powers. Sure he has the aid of the force, a lightsaber, and some basic knowledge of tactics, but running into a large force of clones (and that doesn't mean a hundred - much less than that) will get you killed.

I have a slight Problem with Canadsteins Posts, in one post of less than two paragraphs or their abouts, Obi wan kenobi and his accomanpying Clones arrived on Coruscant and start kicking the 501st Around, Now Im not bothered about Obi wan arriving, what I am bothered about is the speed at which you arrived, In one post, im not sure how others feel, but it would take you weeks to get there, and not in one post... if you could rectify that please, I would appreciate it, Yoda and Anakin are the only really powerfull jedi on Coruscant at the moment, and bringing in More Uber jedi will get my Arse handed to me.
I have to agree here, Obi-Wan makes it REAL quick from Utapau to Coruscant.

Now that Kraven has attacked the Jedi and subsequently pulled his forces out, we have to decide how many Jedi died in the attack. However, to know this we must also know how many Jedi there were prior to the attack. So, I open this up for everyone to offer their opinions: How many Jedi do you think there were just before the Great Jedi Purge (aka Order 66)?

((@Nebarri: This is also a good way to cut down on characters that are still open. We can say they died while defending the temple.))

Like DMG said, he did it in fluid time, so it's not so bad. Maybe Candstein didn't know about the capabilities of the 501st; nobody is perfect. Perhaps he should just edit it to make it seem like Obi-Wan isn't tossing the 501st like ninpins.

I'd say in the entire Order there were less than 700, maybe half of that padawans and younglings/apprentices. Out of that, I'd say that less than 300 were in the Temple at the time of the attack, mostly Padawans and younglings/apprentices.

Its cool, he can leave it as it is, but maybe tone it down a little, Obi may be a Hero, but this isn't a Hero's RP :P I was just taken back by the little time i'd spent at work, and how far it had progressed and jumped about... Thanks DMG btw for holding it for me

By the way, Yoda is going to be rather upset with Quinlan and Anakin when he finds them.

According to the TMP Visual Dictionary, tthere's about 10000. In AOTC, that drops by about 200 or so after Geonosis. By ROTS, about 2000 or so Jedi have died. The Jedi Temple assault was in the hundreds...

By the way, Yoda is going to be rather upset with Quinlan and Anakin when he finds them.


Heh. :D

Who's gonna tell? :p

Heh. :D

Who's gonna tell? :p

Me Coz I'm Evil lol :P

I assume you have the TPM Visual Dictionary then? Do you have the ROTS Visual Dictionary also?

So you are saying that there is about 7800 Jedi at the time of the Great Purge?

Heh. :D

Who's gonna tell? :p

Thire's clones that survived.

According to the TMP Visual Dictionary, tthere's about 10000. In AOTC, that drops by about 200 or so after Geonosis. By ROTS, about 2000 or so Jedi have died. The Jedi Temple assault was in the hundreds...
10000!!! That's a whole lot...especially when most of the best die on Geonosis, and there aren't that many younglings or apprentices. 10000 maybe in the Jedi Golden Age, back with the Hyperspace War and all...

10000!!! That's a whole lot...especially when most of the best die on Geonosis, and there aren't that many younglings or apprentices. 10000 maybe in the Jedi Golden Age, back with the Hyperspace War and all...

He did say it was according to the TPM Visual Dictionary.

10000!!! That's a whole lot...especially when most of the best die on Geonosis, and there aren't that many younglings or apprentices. 10000 maybe in the Jedi Golden Age, back with the Hyperspace War and all...

think about it, the force is in everything in the galaxy. hundreds of quadrillions(sp?) of people or more...10,000 is a small number over all...

Anyway, how about we say that there were 7500 Jedi prior to the attack on Coruscant. 4500 Masters/Knights and 3000 Padawans/Younglings.

Let's say that 700 Jedi died in the assault, leaving 6800 in total; 4200 Masters/Knights and 2600 Padawans/Younglings.

Does anyone have any problems with this?


((@Nebarri: My other point still stands. We can use this to eliminate many possible characters.))

Yes, but the Order is certainly in decline by TPM...maybe several thousand (maybe), but I wouldn't say 10 thousand...sure quadrillions live, but the Force is existant in a select number, and they have to be living in an area where the Jedi can feel them, and they have to be found by the Jedi, and they have to agree to be trained, in order to be deemed a Jedi.

Anyway, how about we say that there were 7500 Jedi prior to the attack on Coruscant. 4500 Masters/Knights and 3000 Padawans/Younglings.

Let's say that 700 Jedi died in the assault, leaving 6800 in total; 4200 Masters/Knights and 2600 Padawans/Younglings.

Does anyone have any problems with this?


((@Nebarri: My other point still stands. We can use this to eliminate many possible characters.))
I would switch the Master/Knight number with the Padawan/Youngling number.

Yes, but the Order is certainly in decline by TPM...maybe several thousand (maybe), but I wouldn't say 10 thousand...sure quadrillions live, but the Force is existant in a select number, and they have to be living in an area where the Jedi can feel them, and they have to be found by the Jedi, and they have to agree to be trained, in order to be deemed a Jedi.

While you may make a decent argument, you are basing it completely off your own thoughts. FnF on the other hand said that that is what the Visual Dictionaries say; I am going to go with Lucas on this one.

I would switch the Master/Knight number with the Padawan/Youngling number.

You think there would be more Padawans and Younglings than Masters and Knights? Padawans need a master... in order to be Padawans - meaning that for every Padawan there is at least one master. On the other hand, not all masters have Padawans so there could be many more.

Perhaps you are right however, there could be a lot of younglings.

What does everyone else think?

Yes, but the Order is certainly in decline by TPM...maybe several thousand (maybe), but I wouldn't say 10 thousand...sure quadrillions live, but the Force is existant in a select number, and they have to be living in an area where the Jedi can feel them, and they have to be found by the Jedi, and they have to agree to be trained, in order to be deemed a Jedi.

still 10,000 is a small number an it is from the TPM Visual Dictionary according to Faith and Fury

((@Nebarri: My other point still stands. We can use this to eliminate many possible characters.))

i'll see what i can do with it

You think there would be more Padawans and Younglings than Masters and Knights? Padawans need a master... in order to be Padawans - meaning that for every Padawan there is at least one master. On the other hand, not all masters have Padawans so there could be many more.

Perhaps you are right however, there could be a lot of younglings.

What does everyone else think?

i think i could find out about how many Youngling there where. i think i saw something about that somewhere before...BBS

There must be trainers for the younglings as well, at least one per dozen or so, and then for padawans, one padawan to a master, and then not all Jedi are trainers for either younglings or padawans. Basically, younglings and padawans should be a smaller part of the order than the Knights and Masters.

There are trillions of people in the galaxy. 10,000 is barely a raindrop in an ocean of people that large.

There is a similar equation based on the figuring of alien species...that reduces the potential chance for contact with Humanity to almost nil. 10000 could potentially be a lot. Yes I do think there are more Padawans and Younglings, as it takes a lot of time and effort to become a Jedi Knight/Master, and many take a VERY long time to reach that level.

Oh great...


I'm really sorry to take this way off topic, but we have a major problem:

The Death Star superlaser hasn't even been designed yet. The Death Star PROTOTYPE has not yet been constructed.

The prototype was constructed at the Maw Installation under Dr. Bevel Lemelisk, AFTER the Great Jedi Purge. According to what I'm reading right now, the scene in Episode III where Darth Vader and the Empire look out at the Death Star being constructed, it's ten years after the other events of Episode III!!!

EDIT: And in response - Obi-Wan Kenobi was "old" for a Jedi Padawan at the age of 21-23 in Episode I.

EDIT2: And Mace Windu was a Jedi Master by the age of 28.

I assume you have the TPM Visual Dictionary then? Do you have the ROTS Visual Dictionary also?

So you are saying that there is about 7800 Jedi at the time of the Great Purge?


I don't got the ROTS Visual Dictionary, sorry. But yeah, just around that numbers, but that shrinks over 19 years between the various Dark sider groups hunting them, bounty hunters, old age, and, of course, a friendly visit from our favorite Sith Lord, Darth Vader.

BTW, Thire wouldn't know where Quinlan was- not even the people under his control knew where he went, only that it was 'an important task'. Unless someone checks the hospital records, they won't know.

I don't got the ROTS Visual Dictionary, sorry. But yeah, just around that numbers, but that shrinks over 19 years between the various Dark sider groups hunting them, bounty hunters, old age, and, of course, a friendly visit from our favorite Sith Lord, Darth Vader.

BTW, Thire wouldn't know where Quinlan was- not even the people under his control knew where he went, only that it was 'an important task'. Unless someone checks the hospital records, they won't know.

If you don't got it, how do you know that is what it says?

Thire would know about Anakin, though...

Oh great...


I'm really sorry to take this way off topic, but we have a major problem:

The Death Star superlaser hasn't even been designed yet. The Death Star PROTOTYPE has not yet been constructed.

The prototype was constructed at the Maw Installation under Dr. Bevel Lemelisk, AFTER the Great Jedi Purge. According to what I'm reading right now, the scene in Episode III where Darth Vader and the Empire look out at the Death Star being constructed, it's ten years after the other events of Episode III!!!

EDIT: And in response - Obi-Wan Kenobi was "old" for a Jedi Padawan at the age of 21-23 in Episode I.

EDIT2: And Mace Windu was a Jedi Master by the age of 28.

Wow, someone else read Darksaber! But no...been confirmed by Lucas himself. That's the Death Star seen in ANH. It took a long time to build, since it's never been done before.

Nono...I didn't deny that that was the actual Death Star I...I said that the scene takes place 10 years after everything else in the movie, at about 10 BBY, not the 19 BBY that the rest of Episode III takes place in.

If you don't got it, how do you know that is what it says?


I'm just going off the numbers people have stated all over the 'Net, and putting them to a relatively believable number. I've never read it myself.

EDIT2: And Mace Windu was a Jedi Master by the age of 28.

He is also Mace Windu... the second greatest Jedi of the Order.

Yes, he is *special* but I mean even though he is excellerated, considering that Obi-Wan was considered *old* at about 22, that means that Knights are maybe beginning at the age of 19-20

Yes, he is *special* but I mean even though he is excellerated, considering that Obi-Wan was considered *old* at about 22, that means that Knights are maybe beginning at the age of 19-20
Jedi Knights take 18 years to develop though, and many won't make it through the training likely.

Yes, he is *special* but I mean even though he is excellerated, considering that Obi-Wan was considered *old* at about 22, that means that Knights are maybe beginning at the age of 19-20

Which would mean that there are a lot more Knights/Masters than Padawans/Younglings

If Wookiepedia's helpful at all in this case, Jedi Knights were most common, thus that's why the Order sometimes just called as a group"Jedi Knghts".

If Wookiepedia's helpful at all in this case, Jedi Knights were most common, thus that's why the Order sometimes just called as a group"Jedi Knghts".

True, true. That is why I believe there are more Masters/Knights than Padawans/Younglings.

In order, I think Knight is the most common rank, followed by Padawan/Youngling, then Master, because Master takes a lifetime to achieve.

In order, I think Knight is the most common rank, followed by Padawan/Youngling, then Master, because Master takes a lifetime to achieve.

Anyhow... I think we are going to stand with those numbers that I posted before.

Anyhow... I think we are going to stand with those numbers that I posted before.
That's fine. I'm good with those...