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1945 and 46 spending was handled for Egypt as an NPC

for 1947, Egypt has managed sufficient growth to have 1 production center for Cairo, as well as the ones for Alexandria. In addition, in 1947, the US Government will spend 48 points to build another production center for Egypt (in Cairo) plus the Aswan dam (which essentially adds another production center for Egypt).

Which Aswan Dam?

Aswan Low Dam or Aswan High Dam? The Aswan High Dam wasn't built in RL until 1960 with Soviet help, I believe.

Which Aswan Dam?

Aswan Low Dam or Aswan High Dam? The Aswan High Dam wasn't built in RL until 1960 with Soviet help, I believe.

And it caused horrendous environmental damage… Which reminds me, as we enter the next half of the century, how do we RP environmental damage?

Which Aswan Dam?

Aswan Low Dam or Aswan High Dam? The Aswan High Dam wasn't built in RL until 1960 with Soviet help, I believe.

High Dam

and environmentalism is still not around yet

And it caused horrendous environmental damage… Which reminds me, as we enter the next half of the century, how do we RP environmental damage?

pondering that by the way

for 1947, Egypt has managed sufficient growth to have 1 production center for Cairo, as well as the ones for Alexandria. In addition, in 1947, the US Government will spend 48 points to build another production center for Egypt (in Cairo) plus the Aswan dam (which essentially adds another production center for Egypt).

Egypt greatly appreciates foreign aid from the U.S. Be assured that if we are ever a world hyperpower, we will be happy to do the same. :D

Paraguay is invited to join the FNS. Incentives offered are as follows:
1. Massive investment in the Paraguayan economy (24 points in 1958)
2. Rural electrification and better roads and rail for Paraguay
3. Large "bonuses" for government officials currently in power. (6 points of bribes in 1957).

Paraguay is invited to join the FNS. Incentives offered are as follows:
1. Massive investment in the Paraguayan economy (24 points in 1958)
2. Rural electrification and better roads and rail for Paraguay
3. Large "bonuses" for government officials currently in power. (6 points of bribes in 1957).

Gran Colombia supports this.

Paraguay is invited to join the FNS. Incentives offered are as follows:
1. Massive investment in the Paraguayan economy (24 points in 1958)
2. Rural electrification and better roads and rail for Paraguay
3. Large "bonuses" for government officials currently in power. (6 points of bribes in 1957).

Paraguay accepts the offer, although it wants guarantees for the protection of the rights of its people (ooc, remember, Paraguay is about 85% native American or mixed, a far higher percentage then the rest of the FNS by far).

Brazil protests the Paraguayan decision.

Turkey, the Central Asian Republic, Kashgaria and Azerbajan form a military and trade alliance in late 1946, catching nearly everone but the Russians and Americans off guard.

China begins investing in Tibet two-fold.

First, China is spending considerable resources to set up and open Tibetian oil and supporting oil industries. China does the investing for two reasons. First, to increase pro-Chinese sentiment within Tibet, and second, to provide China with much needed "native" oil.

Second, China is also spending some resources towards propganda in Tibet, in hopes of increasing pro-Chinese sentiment even further, reduce Tibet's opinion of India, demostrate to the Tibetian people that China has learned from its mistakes under the Qing Dynasty, and that China wishes to establish closer relationship with Tibet. Towards this end, China is providing Tibet with Level V Social Services.

Similiar propganda and pro-Chinese efforts are being undertaken in Mongolia in hopes of securing Mongolian favor with China.

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OOC:

Already factored all this into my 1947 economy.

Germany first commends the Turkic peoples on their alliance and then more covertly presents the idea of closer ties. (not totally sure what, but probably offering aid, help with industrializing and military assistance. Also, when does oil appear in Central Asia?)

Parthini']Germany first commends the Turkic peoples on their alliance and then more covertly presents the idea of closer ties. (not totally sure what, but probably offering aid, help with industrializing and military assistance. Also, when does oil appear in Central Asia?)

the Turkic Alliance thanks Germany for its interest.

ooc
but is already approaching the Swedes and Americans for military advisory assistance, and industralization assistance. Although German interest isn't rejected, especially by the Turkish Air Force. Oil doesn't show up for a while yet, but not sure exactly when. I will look into that.

The Japanese government also comends the Turkic Alliance and offers many of its army and Air Force officers as needed, as funds are rather low in Japan as of now

Oil is discovered late 90's, maybe 1998 i think. at the latest It's discovered in 2000

Seeing how the Scands have begun industrializing the Turkics, Germany turns its attention to the Arabs. Already having invested in Saudi oil and begun discussions with the Syrians and Egyptians, the Germans present an offer to the Saudi Arabians:

-Next year (1948) Germany constructs a Merchant fleet of 2,500,000 tons (5 units)
-Saudi Arabia pays a total of 1 point per year for 20 years (1949-1969)
-Germany invests 3 points for oil extraction (1947)
-Germany and Saudi Arabia agree to an Economic Treaty lowering Tariffs

The same offer is presented to Syria and Egypt.

The Republic sends Diplomatic missions to former members of French West Africa to improve relationas and to explore possibility of aid and investment to those areas (Includes Algeria and Morocco).

China begins investing in Tibet two-fold.

First, China is spending considerable resources to set up and open Tibetian oil and supporting oil industries. China does the investing for two reasons. First, to increase pro-Chinese sentiment within Tibet, and second, to provide China with much needed "native" oil.

Second, China is also spending some resources towards propganda in Tibet, in hopes of increasing pro-Chinese sentiment even further, reduce Tibet's opinion of India, demostrate to the Tibetian people that China has learned from its mistakes under the Qing Dynasty, and that China wishes to establish closer relationship with Tibet. Towards this end, China is providing Tibet with Level V Social Services.

Similiar propganda and pro-Chinese efforts are being undertaken in Mongolia in hopes of securing Mongolian favor with China.

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OOC:

Already factored all this into my 1947 economy.

OOC: I have the feeling Tibet is soon going to be a first-world country, with level 5 social services and level 7 tech (due to all the infrastructure improvements) due to us spending so many points on a country of 1 million people :). They wont want to join either of us.

OOC: Aren't the people of China going to be a bit miffed that the non-Chinese Tibetans are recieving much better social services than they are? Unless it's a secret thing, though some must be wondering where the funds came from for it...

To: Germany

Egypt would greatly appreciate such an arrangement. Let us also remind you that Egypt sits on top of a large natural gas reserve that can also be utilized to benefit us both.

To: Germany

Egypt would greatly appreciate such an arrangement. Let us also remind you that Egypt sits on top of a large natural gas reserve that can also be utilized to benefit us both.

but did Egypt know this in 1950 or 1947, or even by 1980?

OOC: Sorry, jumped a little ahead of myself. Is there any way to start my natural gas production WAY early? It's always been there, investors just didn't start looking into Egyptian deposits until the late 90's. If German investors started looking in the 50's, wouldn't they find the same thing?

OOC: Sorry, jumped a little ahead of myself. Is there any way to start my natural gas production WAY early? It's always been there, investors just didn't start looking into Egyptian deposits until the late 90's. If German investors started looking in the 50's, wouldn't they find the same thing?

possibly, let me look at into and I will get back to you

Syria would also gladly accept the German offer. Building up our economy is a top priority right now.

And in completely unrelated news...

Citing the need to protect Syrian citizens, the Armored Division of the Army, commanded by the Crown Prince Amin, is being sent to the Golan Heights, to prevent Palestinian annexation of rightfully Syrian land. If necessary, removing the corrupt regime of Palestine is a step Syria should be willing to take. The Palestinians make a horrible mockery of Islam, turning it into a religion of violence and hate, and they deserve to be removed from power. We would call upon all members of the Arab League, especially Egypt and Jordan, to help remove these horrible men from power, whether through military support or otherwise, if the situation should come to war.

(OOC: Hopefully, this motion into what they consider their territory will do the trick.)

January 1947
Palestine is not amused, and deploys 1 light infantry division and 1 mechanized division to the Galilee area, another mechanized divsion to watch Lebanon, and 1 light infantry division to watch the Jordan Valley.

Small groups of infantry begin attempting to infiltrate into Lebanon and the Golan area to conduct scouting missions.

February 1947
Firefights soon erupt and the Grand Mufti declares war on the Syrians, condemning harshly the secular state.

Some rioting occurs in rural parts of Syria against the Syrian government.

Palestinian mechanized infantry battalions (riding German built halftracks left over from the 3rd Great War) supported by Ukranian built SU85 assault guns and T44 tanks enter the Bekka Valley

(OOC: Are any of the Arab NPCs helping either side, directly or indirectly?)
February 1947

While many in rural areas protested the war, spurred on by right-wing clerics, the middle and upper classes were happy. A dangerous, radical neighbor to thier south was not something they wanted. In Lebanon, populated by various Christian and Muslim minorities, news of the religious intolerance of the Palestinians shocked them, and the fact that that intolerant nation laid claims to much of southern Lebanon earned thier support. The Syrian Garrison units would remain as they were for now, but the Beirut garrison was being moblized into Infantry divisions, and the Light Infantry division training in Damascus was rushed in as fast as possible.

Crown Prince Amin's Armored Division recieved orders to move south, heading towards the city of Nazareth. The Palestinians were using outdated technology, and the new Scandanavian tanks were more than a match for whatever the Palestinians could throw at them.

The new Saab 29's, pride and joy of the Air Force, would be conducting CAS missions, as there was no Air Force to challenge them. Missions would run from Aleppo to the front, and the planes would stop at the civilian airport in Beirut to refuel before going back to Aleppo, although if need be they could return to the front from there.

The Republic sends Diplomatic missions to former members of French West Africa to improve relationas and to explore possibility of aid and investment to those areas (Includes Algeria and Morocco).

Bump for reply.

Also France proposes a plan same as the German one but to western arabia, Kuwait and Yemen(?)

Yemen and Aden are essentially British client states. Former French West and Equatorial Africa is under Moroccan/British UN mandate. In other words, you will need to talk to the British. Kuwait is also closely aligned with the British, while Western Arabia has become essentially an Omani client state.

Intelligence reports indicate to the French and British that the Sultan of Oman has plans to unite all of Arabia under a progressive monarchy. Hopefully in a peaceful campaign.

(OOC: Are any of the Arab NPCs helping either side, directly or indirectly?). no, Jordon doesn't have any money to fight an offensive war, and doesn't like the Palestinians anyway. However, some money has been funneled into Palestine... source is unknown.



February 1947

While many in rural areas protested the war, spurred on by right-wing clerics, the middle and upper classes were happy. A dangerous, radical neighbor to thier south was not something they wanted. In Lebanon, populated by various Christian and Muslim minorities, news of the religious intolerance of the Palestinians shocked them, and the fact that that intolerant nation laid claims to much of southern Lebanon earned thier support. The Syrian Garrison units would remain as they were for now, but the Beirut garrison was being moblized into Infantry divisions, and the Light Infantry division training in Damascus was rushed in as fast as possible.

Crown Prince Amin's Armored Division recieved orders to move south, heading towards the city of Nazareth. The Palestinians were using outdated technology, and the new Scandanavian tanks were more than a match for whatever the Palestinians could throw at them.

The new Saab 29's, pride and joy of the Air Force, would be conducting CAS missions, as there was no Air Force to challenge them. Missions would run from Aleppo to the front, and the planes would stop at the civilian airport in Beirut to refuel before going back to Aleppo, although if need be they could return to the front from there.

ooc
I will resolve some of the fighting tonight

Kuwait is also closely aligned with the British, while Western Arabia has become essentially an Omani client state.

Britain has no objections to a peaceful Omani takeover. However Britain will offer Kuwait protectorate status like she enjoyed prior to the MEU taking over. Britain also has no qualms about allowing the French government to invest in the improvement of ex-French African territories and British Middle-East protectorates.

Palestine March 1947
The US 6th Fleet, with the carrier Lexington and several destroyers arrives off the coast of Palestine and covers the evacuation of non Palestinian civilians from Haifa.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian 1st, 2nd, and 4th mechanized brigades overrun two battalions of Syrian infantry defending Marjayoun and then the 1st and 2nd Brigade drives north toward the middle of the Bekka Valley, while the 3rd Brigade takes up position to block any attack out of the Golan into Lebanon. The Palestinian advance is blocked as 4 brigades of Syrian infantry take up positions in the Valley, while another brigade takes up positions blocking an push toward Tyre or the sea. Heavy fighting stops the Palestinian push.

Meanwhile, in Palestine, the Syrians cross the border into the Galilee area and immediately find themselves bogged down in heavy fighting with a Palestinian light infantry division and mechanized division. Although the Syrians have better tanks, the terrain is rugged and clear areas have ancient villages that are ideal for defense by light infantry armed with panzerfausts and panzershrecks, along with 75 mm recoilless rifles. The T44 tanks and SU85 armored vehicles lack the armor of the Syrian tanks, but dug in, are hard to knock out, and hard for the Syrian Air Force to find.

The battle quickly develops into a slugging match, and the Palestinians use their light infantry to launch frequent well conducted night attacks. In spite of air superiority, the Syrians are unable to make headway, and with the Palestinians driving up the Bekka Valley, face the prospect of having their flank and rear turned.

The Syrian Air Force is diverted to deal with the Palestinian offensive in Lebanon, and the Syrians are forced to dig in in the Galilee area, only a few miles past the border.

map of Lebanon
http://www.the-lebanon.com/lebanon_country/map/lebanon_rel_2000.jpg

map of Israel / Palestine
http://www.msubillings.edu/history/israel_map.jpg

ooc
you will need more combat power then what you have committed so far, you are attacking outnumbered and your advantages in training and equipment are enough to even the odds, but not enough to overcome a competent defense. The Palestinians are pretty competent and well led. Neither side has sufficient edge to overcome the other quickly.

OOC: Whoa whoa whoa! No way I'm gonna let my House of Saud be taken over by some dirty Omanis...

BTW, what am I getting by sending 5 points over two years to Saudi Arabia?

Egypt has announced that it will aid it’s Arab ally against the hostile Palestinians. Garrison forces have been spread out across major port cities and across the Egyptian-Palestinian border. Minutes later, the order is given for Vampire fighters to lead the air strikes against any Palestinian military bases and patrols, followed by a quick blitz into Gaza to capture the holy burial site by mechanized and armored forces. A small infantry force will follow half an hour later to assist the task force and defend the city of Gaza from recapture. Meanwhile, in secret, a small group of Vampires will be slightly modified (see link at bottom) to carry out small bombing raids.
Notes:
-Some of the Egyptian forces are veterans of WW3.
-Expert pilots are flying the Vampires.
-Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_jet) for details on the Vampire modifications. They probably won’t be as good as the Royal Navy’s modifications but they should get the job done.

Egyptian diplomats will begin trying to arrange peace talks with Palestine. Our basic terms are:
-Withdrawal of Palestinian troops from the Golan Heights.
-The transfer of the Gaza Strip (including the holy city) to Egyptian control. Palestinian officials will be allowed to govern the area but basic Egyptian laws and rights can not be removed.

OOC: Sorry about the wikipedia link. I couldn't find too many pages on the modification that explained it.

ooc
the Vampires listed at the start of the military thread are assumed to be the Sea Vampire version listed at your link.

IC
The Egyptians leave 4 garrison units behind, and advance across the Sinai with 1 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, and 1 artillery group. In 72 hours (March 3 -6) they are across the desert and have overrun Gaza and Beersheeba, brushing aside weak militia forces, and the Egyptian 1st Mechanized division then drives to Dimona, overrunning it by March. Meanwhile, the 2nd Mechanized and 3rd Armored divisions, supported by the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th infantry divisions and their corps support units, engage and overwhelm a pair of Palestinian infantry brigades at Ramallah. The Egyptians then send the infantry divisions to take Jerusalem, which falls in brief fighting as the single remaining Palestinian brigade attempts to defend the city and is overwhelmed by 12:1 odds.

The Palestinians immediately pull out of Lebanon, and hurry south. Under heavy air attack, they lose nearly 40% of their strength before their 2 mechanized divisions can reach the Haifa area. The Syrians now push into the Galilee region from Lebanon, and cut off and destroy the Palestinian 1st Infantry division at Nazareth (which creates some world wide protests as the fighting takes place in a town sacred to Christians).

The final battle takes place on March 14. The remnants of the Palestinian Army makes a stand around Haifa, and outnumbered 3:1, and running out of ammunition, is gradually destroyed. Haifa suffers some damage, and the Grand Mufti and his generals are killed in the fighting.

The Palestinian government collapses during the fighting, and many Palestinians are relieved that the rather oppressive and puritinical leadership is gone.

The UN Cease Fire Resolution, vetoed by China, is tabled. The Security Council ponders what to do next.

Egyptian forces shall focus their occupation forces on important cities and disarm any remaining Palestinian forces to prevent another up-rising. Egyptian occupation lines shall be unofficially drawn just south of Jerusalem, allowing the holy city and surrounding pilgrimige sites to joint occupation between Egypt, Syria, and UN forces. Palestinian aircraft and tanks shall be removed from the occupied territory as soon as possible, although time will be taken to make sure there are secure passages. Half of the Jerusalem treasury and any important political documents shall be shipped or flown to safety in Alexandria, hopefully to prove Palestine was the aggressor in this conflict. UN forces shall be requested to secure the holy city as soon as possible.

Parthini']OOC: Whoa whoa whoa! No way I'm gonna let my House of Saud be taken over by some dirty Omanis...

BTW, what am I getting by sending 5 points over two years to Saudi Arabia?

Some influence, and annoyed at the Egyptians and Syrians, the Saudis place orders for German aircraft and start looking around for some tanks to buy. The Czechs are willing to sell them an improved version of the Hetzer Assault Gun (essentially a Jagdpanther that is called a Hetzer Mk 5) with an 88 mm gun and improved engine.

Some influence, and annoyed at the Egyptians and Syrians, the Saudis place orders for German aircraft and start looking around for some tanks to buy. The Czechs are willing to sell them an improved version of the Hetzer Assault Gun (essentially a Jagdpanther that is called a Hetzer Mk 5) with an 88 mm gun and improved engine.

The SU will sell to the Saudi's and anyone else in the area needing weaponry.

OOC: Stay away from my Arabs, you scoundrel! Go invest in your Turkics, why don't you!

I jest... mostly.

Oh and the offer is accepted.

(damn, it's hard using a computer w/o a mouse...)

Britain begins to finish complete military and bureaucratic withdrawal from Burma. The new government is now firmly emplaced and constituencies established. The Burmese Army, Navy and Airforce are established with equipment provided by Britain (I presume the airforce and navy to be too small to worry about in the game and the army'll consist of a few divisions of infantry). The Burmese are offered purchase rights to British arms and equipment as well as continued training from the British military. The final transfer of power will occur at midnight on 31st December this year. The new Burmese government is offered membership into the Commonwealth of Nations.

In good interests, the Republic of Egypt would like to seek tighter relations with Ethiopia. The Emperor is formally invited to a casual meeting in Cairo with the economic and diplomatic leaders of Egypt. Among the issues to be discussed are Ethiopia's diplomatic ties, Selassie's future plans for Ethiopia, and whether Ethiopia would like aid from Egypt for it's modernization project.

Ethiopia will definitely meet with Egypt. Of primary concern are ensuring the rights of Coptic Christians in Ethiopia, joint development and mutual defense.

(ooc remember, Egypt and Addis Abbas are connected by rail to one another via Khartoum, and both recieved sizeable US investment over the last few years)

Before signing new alliances, Egypt would like to know of Ethiopia's current relations, primarily with the European powers. We also acknowledge Ethiopia's large Coptic Christian population and Egypt's, primarily Alexandria's, relevance to them.

Britain begins to finish complete military and bureaucratic withdrawal from Burma. The new government is now firmly emplaced and constituencies established. The Burmese Army, Navy and Airforce are established with equipment provided by Britain (I presume the airforce and navy to be too small to worry about in the game and the army'll consist of a few divisions of infantry). The Burmese are offered purchase rights to British arms and equipment as well as continued training from the British military. The final transfer of power will occur at midnight on 31st December this year. The new Burmese government is offered membership into the Commonwealth of Nations.

On that note, Burma is also offered membership in the Seoul Conference Treaty by the Korean Government.

Before signing new alliances, Egypt would like to know of Ethiopia's current relations, primarily with the European powers. We also acknowledge Ethiopia's large Coptic Christian population and Egypt's, primarily Alexandria's, relevance to them.

Ethopia, like Egypt, was in the LTA during the last war, and has strong ties to the US and United Kingdom, and friendly relations with Italy.

It has diplomatic relations with the European nations.

Egypt realizes Ethiopia's situation and also realizes that, with 3 massive wars in the past 40 years and the growing instability of the Middle East, such a weak nation is at high risk of conquest. In an effort to help out our neighbor, we propose a Trade Alliance and offer to invest a small amount of points next year to further develop your economy*. Our Trade Alliance will strengthen trade between Ethiopia and Egypt with reduced or no tariffs, and draw Ethiopia away from any reliance on dangerous or entangling trading deals (such as importing oil from the Middle East or livestock from disease-prone areas). We have also noticed that the Ethiopian region is prone to drought yet is highly reliant on agriculture. Perhaps food and money could be loaned to Ethiopia during these hard times so the economy and populous do not suffer as much.

OOC: Is Ethiopia's tech level really 4? If so, what could I do to help it catch up?
* Is it possible to invest in Ethiopia's agriculture? More modern farming methods and stuff like cattle steroids (invented in the 1940's) could really improve Ethiopia's agriculture output. If so, could a profit be made off this (agriculture exports, cheap food imports to Egypt allowing spending elsewhere, etc.)?

Egypt realizes Ethiopia's situation and also realizes that, with 3 massive wars in the past 40 years and the growing instability of the Middle East, such a weak nation is at high risk of conquest. In an effort to help out our neighbor, we propose a Trade Alliance and offer to invest a small amount of points next year to further develop your economy*. Our Trade Alliance will strengthen trade between Ethiopia and Egypt with reduced or no tariffs, and draw Ethiopia away from any reliance on dangerous or entangling trading deals (such as importing oil from the Middle East or livestock from disease-prone areas). We have also noticed that the Ethiopian region is prone to drought yet is highly reliant on agriculture. Perhaps food and money could be loaned to Ethiopia during these hard times so the economy and populous do not suffer as much.

OOC: Is Ethiopia's tech level really 4? If so, what could I do to help it catch up?
* Is it possible to invest in Ethiopia's agriculture? More modern farming methods and stuff like cattle steroids (invented in the 1940's) could really improve Ethiopia's agriculture output. If so, could a profit be made off this (agriculture exports, cheap food imports to Egypt allowing spending elsewhere, etc.)?

yes, its really 4, but its about to reach 5. Transportation infrastructure would bring about a more rapid improvement (see first page)

Okay, here's a basic layout of the proposal:

1-Mutual Defense Alliance for 5 years (to be renewed after that depending on conditions)
2-Ethiopia will aid Egyptian food sources during times of struggle (such as war)
3-Egypt will loan Ethiopia 1 point during a major drought to be repayed the following year.
4-For three years, Egypt will invest 1 point and loan 1 point to Ethiopia.
5-After that, Ethiopia will pay 1 point a year for five years. (Two of these payments may be taken out as loans from Egypt)
6-Ethiopia will allow Egyptian/allied troops within it's border (mainly for point 7)
7-Egypt will aid the emperor in case of up-risings.
8-Ethiopian soldiers shall aid Egyptian forces during conflicts.
9-Egypt will reconize the rights of Christians (including Coptic Christians) as equals to muslims.

OOC: This isn't the set treaty so it can still be modified.

Okay, here's a basic layout of the proposal:

1-Mutual Defense Alliance for 5 years (to be renewed after that depending on conditions)
2-Ethiopia will aid Egyptian food sources during times of struggle (such as war)
3-Egypt will loan Ethiopia 1 point during a major drought to be repayed the following year.
4-For three years, Egypt will invest 1 point and loan 1 point to Ethiopia.
5-After that, Ethiopia will pay 1 point a year for five years. (Two of these payments may be taken out as loans from Egypt)
6-Ethiopia will allow Egyptian/allied troops within it's border (mainly for point 7)
7-Egypt will aid the emperor in case of up-risings.
8-Ethiopian soldiers shall aid Egyptian forces during conflicts.
9-Egypt will reconize the rights of Christians (including Coptic Christians) as equals to muslims.

OOC: This isn't the set treaty so it can still be modified.

Ethiopia is interested and will consider it carefully (ooc, in other words, after the weekend)

Palestine remains under Syrian and Egyptian occupation pending a successful UN Resolution

Egyptian forces have begun withdrawing from most areas (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10482401&postcount=171) of Palestine, having already surpassed it's 60-day occupation time. Just be warned that next time Palestine strikes, it will be annexed (despite how much crying the Scands do).

Palestinian forces have not moved, and are still waiting for the UN to decide on Palestine's fate.

Following obtaining British permission to invest in Northwest Africa, the Republic of France approaches the provisional government with the following offers:

1- To Improve the Infrastructure of the area= 2 points (Year 1 out of 2), in exchange when the area reaches tech level 6 Rural electrification will be provided by French companies in exchange for 2 of the 10% increase to the economy.

2- Loan of 5 points, which is to be paid back by 1 point every 2 years, failure of repayment causes increase of outstanding debt by 5%.

These are of course is open to negotiation.

King Abdullah would request meetings with the Pope and Patriarch to talk about the status and future of Christianity in the Middle East.

The Burmese government is informed of the recieval of 10 points of British aid for 1948. Britain expects these points to a)pay for an acceptable level of social services and b) to provide a basic military consisting of army, air force and navy to protect Burma and her people.

Britain will also provide up to 3 units worth of Hawker Fury aircraft which have recently been replaced by Gloster Javelins if the Burmese wish to have them.

The SU has just given 25 points of Aid to the Turkics to do with as they wish and has also told them the SU is willing to supply them with whatever they need.

The SU has just given 25 points of Aid to the Turkics to do with as they wish and has also told them the SU is willing to supply them with whatever they need.

expect some purchases from them real soon, especially from Central Asia Republic

France invtes Holland, Belgium and Burgundy to the celebration which is to be held in Paris on 25th of September on the near completion of the reconstruction effort of Europe.

Britain approaches the government of Oman (I believe they own Yemen now?) in regards to the purchase of the islands of the Socotra (also known as Suqutrá) archipeligo in the Northern Indian Ocean. This is on behalf of the European Space Agency who have decided that it is a reasonably well situated place for a launch facility (15 degrees from equator and close to British colonies and Suez Canal). It is only inhabited by a few thousand people who would be compensated courtesy of the British government and transported to a location of their choosing along with their belongings by British vessels. The facility will be relatively risk-free to Yemen and the facility will employ, house and care for local workers that may be required for construction and operation at the facility.

It is hoped that an agreement may be reached over the price of such a purchase and that if it is not possible perhaps a rental agreement can be worked out. The British foreign aid budget is likely to be quite large next year...

Oman is ok with that, but your experts point out that it would be far, far easier to build facilities at Freetown, Sierra Leon, as it is closer, has a better harbor, reasonably good infrastructure already, a larger population available for labor and support industries etc...

OK, the ESA will locate launch facilities in Sierra Leone following advice from experts.

OOC: Thanks for the help GB. The island was just selected out of a few ideas thrown up in discussion with the rest of the ESA. But as Sierra Leone appears to be a better choice we'd better build it there.

OOC: What are the present NPC African nations?

OOC: Every nation except South Africa and Egypt.

I know Ethiopia, Morocco, Liberia, and Algeria are all independent, but there may be some others too.

OOC: What are the present NPC African nations?

check the first page of the economics thread... if it has British, or Belgian something or another, its still a Colony. South Africa essentially owns modern Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia, as well as Namibia.

check the first page of the economics thread... if it has British, or Belgian something or another, its still a Colony. South Africa essentially owns modern Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia, as well as Namibia.

And Madagascar.

And Madagascar.

that too

that too

I was about to comment that South Africa encompased alot of countries, then I remembered I am:

Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Iran.

I was about to comment that South Africa encompased alot of countries, then I remembered I am:

Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Iran.

Those countries aren't officially part of South Africa, but for all intents and purposes they are all mine.

GB, have things in Cyprus quieted down enough for me to bring my peacekeeprs home, or are they still needed?

Those countries aren't officially part of South Africa, but for all intents and purposes they are all mine.

GB, have things in Cyprus quieted down enough for me to bring my peacekeeprs home, or are they still needed?

depends how big a garrison the British have in Cyprus

I am just in the process of bringing my military deployments up to date and will post a final copy in the Military Thread shortly. However, it is likely to be 2 highly trained Infantry Divisions with naval support from the Mediterranean Fleet and a rapid response unit of an elite brigade of marines ready at Gibralter in case of trouble.

Turkey, Central Asia, Kashgaria and Azarbajan work out details for standardizing vehicles, small arms, artillery and aircraft.

The FN FAL is adapted as the standard rifle, and the T54 tank from the Ukraine as the main battle tank. The United States is approached for aircraft, with the F100 and F86D adapated as fighters, and surplus A26s and F51s for ground support and light bomber aircraft.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia approaches Germany about arms purchases, specifically the SG44 assault rifle as the standard rifle, and the Jagdpanther II as their principal armored vehicle.

Oman approaches the British and Belgians for armored vehicles, aircraft, and small arms.

A further 6 points have been given to the Turkics with 5 given to Palestine as will.

Turkey, Central Asia, Kashgaria and Azarbajan work out details for standardizing vehicles, small arms, artillery and aircraft.

The FN FAL is adapted as the standard rifle, and the T54 tank from the Ukraine as the main battle tank. The United States is approached for aircraft, with the F100 and F86D adapated as fighters, and surplus A26s and F51s for ground support and light bomber aircraft.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia approaches Germany about arms purchases, specifically the SG44 assault rifle as the standard rifle, and the Jagdpanther II as their principal armored vehicle.

Oman approaches the British and Belgians for armored vehicles, aircraft, and small arms.

By the way, who gets to produce the RPG-2?

By the way, who gets to produce the RPG-2?

same weapon called essentially the same thing in all former Union countries including Russia and Germany and plus France, and can be built in India as well.

Egypt and Sudan have begun pushing for closer unity between the two nations. Bi-citizenship has been announced for Egyptian and Sudanese citizens for travel and religious purposes. A weak Sudanese Senate (still under the Egyptian Government currently) is being established and elections are to take place by the end of 1949. The uniting of the Egyptian Republic and the newly formed Sudanese Republic is being pushed for through every form of propaganda avaliable, from television to posters, although emphasis is being put on that the Egyptian and Sudanese Republics will still be independent nations. Now for the numbers:
-I've spent .25 points on the propaganda for this year (I'll bump it up next year if I have to).
-Egypt has announced that to demonstrate the unity, the focus of it's economic output will be to build Sudan to being nearly the equal of Egypt within the next five years.
-The Sudanese Senate currently can only create and suspend minor laws. They will be given more power and independence every year.
-The uniting isn't like the United States or anything that close. It's more of a loose union with common interests that acts as a single nation (like the RL Soviet Union).

With Recontruction finished a year ahead of schedule, great sums of capital were left over. 24 points have been sent to Saudi Arabia for discretionary spending. 12 points have also been sent to Egypt and Syria for assistance in bettering both nations. Also 12 points have been sent to China to assist in the recontruction of that country.

Oman approaches the British and Belgians for armored vehicles, aircraft, and small arms.

Britain is willing to supply the military of Oman with the above equipment.

If Germany wishes so, Egypt will be willing to return all 12 points as advanced repayment for the shipping units.

The following is offered to Yugoslavia and Albania and Kosovo:

Yugoslavia:
Help in Repair of and industrial Centres: 10 points

Albania & Kosovo:
Shipping Unit: 3 points

If Germany wishes so, Egypt will be willing to return all 12 points as advanced repayment for the shipping units.

Germany is unwilling to take the 12 points and recommends that it be used to further another production center.

(Don't worry. I'm going to cancel the debt in a year or two ;) )

A furor develops in the European press over proposed German nuclear development.

A loud furor.

OOC: What is Saudi Arabia up to, and what are the politics of it? Is it still Wahhabi? Also, what happened to the Rashidis (the Saudi rivals)?

Parthini']OOC: What is Saudi Arabia up to, and what are the politics of it? Is it still Wahhabi? Also, what happened to the Rashidis (the Saudi rivals)?

the Rashidis are still around, and Saudi Arabia is Washhabi and wants to secure Mecca and Medina (which, needless to say, the Hashmites of Western Arabia aren't keen on).

Oman is supporting Western Arabia, and the Kuwaitis are staying out of the mess.

Oman is going to see if it can persuade the British to give them Yemen at some point.

the Rashidis are still around, and Saudi Arabia is Washhabi and wants to secure Mecca and Medina (which, needless to say, the Hashmites of Western Arabia aren't keen on).

Oman is supporting Western Arabia, and the Kuwaitis are staying out of the mess.

Oman is going to see if it can persuade the British to give them Yemen at some point.

What are the Rashidis doing? Do they own any land? And what about Jordan?

Also, are Basra and Baghdad republics?

Parthini']What are the Rashidis doing? Do they own any land? And what about Jordan?

Also, are Basra and Baghdad republics?

the first page of the economic thread tells you what Basra and Baghdad are (a sultanate and republic in that order)

Jordan is Hashamite (for convenience)

currently a number of power struggles underway behind the scenes in Arabia, but the Saudi family is currently on top

German officials in Arabia begin to contact the Hashemite Sultanates in Western Arabia and Jordan to discuss closer ties with Germany and Saudi Arabia.

French Diplomatic Missions are being sent to Yugoslavia, Albania and Kosovo and Slovenia. Their aim is to improve relations between them and France aswell between themselves.

It is quietly noted that if a few diplomatic measures were adopted towards each other (basic talks about any border differences, a bit less tariffs on each other, cultural exchange and anything like that) then the republic will strongly consider stepping up aid shipments to better the region.

Other missions are sent to Czechoslovakia and Romania to improve relation and the possibility of helping them improve their economies.

Australian government officials quietly begin surveying the Indonesian populace on their views toward the proposed independence in the coming years. It is subtlely pointed out that Australia has provided industrial centers and social services that Indonesia alone can not provide for itself, but if reactions are strongly in favor of independence the issue is dropped.

ooc: guess I'm asking for a moderator ruling on this...

I'm not sure if this should warrant a NPC reaction or RP regarding Mongolia and Tibet. In addition, if such a reaction is to occur, should it happen here or in my Chinese thread?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10541824&postcount=185

Parthini']German officials in Arabia begin to contact the Hashemite Sultanates in Western Arabia and Jordan to discuss closer ties with Germany and Saudi Arabia.

Anything come out of this? Also, is there a chance I can see what the Saudi build was or better yet, do it myself?

I am having problems getting on the forums, but I will review the Australian, German and French initiatives this week ... do not expect immediate results or answers.

I understand. The forums were acting up a little on me earlier. I just wanted to make sure you didn't forget. And I also realize any kind of cooperation will take a while. I'm just trying to see if I can get a United Arab Sultanates going instead of "give the Saudis lots of tanks and planes and kill the Hasemites and Rashidis".

Option two is more fun tho...

Australian government officials quietly begin surveying the Indonesian populace on their views toward the proposed independence in the coming years. It is subtlely pointed out that Australia has provided industrial centers and social services that Indonesia alone can not provide for itself, but if reactions are strongly in favor of independence the issue is dropped.

ooc: guess I'm asking for a moderator ruling on this...

Java, Sumatra and Bali want indepedence as Indonesia (which is where the majority of the Moslem population lives). The smaller islands, or the islands like the Celebes and Bornea are less excited about independence, as they view independence leading to their domination by those islands and simply exchanging the Dutch and then Australians for Javanese and Sumatrans.

In short, the area is divided.

French Diplomatic Missions are being sent to Yugoslavia, Albania and Kosovo and Slovenia. Their aim is to improve relations between them and France aswell between themselves.

It is quietly noted that if a few diplomatic measures were adopted towards each other (basic talks about any border differences, a bit less tariffs on each other, cultural exchange and anything like that) then the republic will strongly consider stepping up aid shipments to better the region.

Other missions are sent to Czechoslovakia and Romania to improve relation and the possibility of helping them improve their economies.

Slovenia is willing to improve ties, but is firmly under Italian domination. Albania (which includes Kosovo) hates the Yugoslavs, and it looks like the Croats and Serbs are about to come to blows soon.

In short, its still a mess.

The Czechs and Romanians are busy working with the Ukranians (and the Poles if that player is around) to put together a defensive military alliance and economic trade bloc. Hungary is taking a very neutralist approach to everything and would like to become the next Switzerland if it can.

Parthini']Anything come out of this? Also, is there a chance I can see what the Saudi build was or better yet, do it myself?

Western Arabia has no interest in closer ties with the Saudis (and is essentially an Omani client state at this point, as is to a lesser extent, Jordan).

Jordan is willing to consider the matter though, although its more concerned with Syria and Egypt.

Dirty Omanis... Any chance they could become a German Client state any time soon?

Any chance you can hit up Chatzy? There's some stuff I would rather not clutter up the NPC thread with.

Would poland and the Ukraine stil be interested in an alliance/trade block? If so I'd like to sign one.

The Republic of Poland-Lithuania (ooc: which is probably what I will call myself from now on) would agree to the Scandic offer.

The Republic of France seeing the signs of turbulance in the Balkan area unsertakes the intiative of trying to bring the potential warring sides to the negotiations table and make a perliminary attempt at reaching a comprimise.

For our first step: The republic offers and strongly recommends (apply extremely delicate diplomatic pressure with some promises of increased aid) to host a meeting between the Serb and Croat local leaders to try to reach agenda for a comprimise.

On another note, the republic announces that it will be undertaking to send initial economic aid shipments to the previous said nations in hope that this will help stabilise the area.

The Republic of France seeing the signs of turbulance in the Balkan area unsertakes the intiative of trying to bring the potential warring sides to the negotiations table and make a perliminary attempt at reaching a comprimise.

For our first step: The republic offers and strongly recommends (apply extremely delicate diplomatic pressure with some promises of increased aid) to host a meeting between the Serb and Croat local leaders to try to reach agenda for a comprimise.

On another note, the republic announces that it will be undertaking to send initial economic aid shipments to the previous said nations in hope that this will help stabilise the area.

Are the Serbs and Croats actually fighting?

Either way, the Serbs and Croats agree to attend (but don't promise anything) and welcome the aid.

Also, I'm gonna start a new NPC thread so I can list all the NPC's and their builds on the front page.

Parthini']Also, I'm gonna start a new NPC thread so I can list all the NPC's and their builds on the front page.

Good idea.

Let me know when the new thread's up and give me the URL so I can implement it in the E20 main thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472468

New thread. In progress.

Parthini']http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472468

New thread. In progress.

Added in the E20 Main thread version 3.0.