NationStates Jolt Archive

This Thread will serve as the News/Diplomatic Thread for NPC states in the E20 Roleplay.

In-progress.

North America

Republic of Costa Rica (London Treaty Alliance, Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)

Republic of Cuba (London Treaty Alliance, Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)
American satellite-state under left-leaning liberal President Dr. Ramón Grau.

Republic of El Salvador (Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)

Republic of Guatemala (Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)

Republic of Haiti (Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)

Republic of Honduras (Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)

United States of Mexico (Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)
Much less stable in E20 than in RL. Currently effectively an American satellite-state under a military junta.

Republic of the Virgin Islands (Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)
American satellite-state.

South America

Republic of Chile (Pan-American Treaty)

Republic of Ecuador (London Treaty Alliance, Pan-American Treaty, League of Nations)
Currently a virtual anarchy with a multi-sided low-intensity civil war.

Republic of Paraguay (Pan-American Treaty)
Increasingly conservative and militaristic through the 'Thirties, though not without strong internal opposition. Not one of the most stable Latin American countries.

Republic of Peru (Pan-American Treaty)

Oriental Republic of Uruguay (Pan-American Treaty)
Another tumultuous Latin American state, currently ruled a Leftist dictator, President Dr. Gabriel Terra. Very pro-Brazilian.

Protectorate of Zion (Argentine Autonomous Region)
A small Jewish homeland, increasingly conservative but still with a strong socialist community.

Europe

National Republic of Albania
Albania's history in the Twentieth Century has been troubled. Originally governed harshly by the Ottoman Empire, when the Turks retreated from the Balkans in 1903 Albanian government dissolved into civil war and banditry for the next eighteen years. Briefly obtaining stability in the early 1920's the elected government proceded to squander that stability on ill-advised adventures such as challenging Russian supremacy in the Balkans and fomenting ethnic strife in Yugoslavia. Finally, in 1923, a coalition of nations including France, Yugoslavia, and Germany committed troops to crushing Albanian ethnic militia in an effort to bring peace to the Yugoslav-Albanian border. Fearing a brutal conquest and occupation, the Albanian military overthrew the elected government and has since governed the country as a neutral dictatorship.

Kingdom of Belgium (London Treaty Alliance)
A highly reactionary constitutional monarchy. The right-leaning King Albert I was briefly displaced towards the end of the Second Great War in a coup led by the Communist Party of Belgium (a Third International affiliate), but he escaped to London and was restored to power within the year by Allied forces. Since the king's return, leftist political parties, which had previously simply been harassed, were actively suppressed. King Albert died in 1934, and the new King Leopold III has yet to show any sign of shifting his father's policies.

Conciliar Republic of Czechoslovakia (Warsaw Pact, League of Nations)
Union satellite-state under the leadership of Klement Gottwald.

Democratic Republic of Denmark (League of Nations)
A left-liberal republic that remains officially neutral. Denmark's oppressive, right-wing monarchy was overthrown during a two-week military action by the Workers' Republic of Germany in 1922. Since then the Social Democrats (not affiliated with the Third International) have mostly governed in various coalitions with the Left (classical liberals), Radical Left (democrats), and Left Socialists (Third International affiliates), with the latter two parties occasionally being displaced by Conservatives in Left-led coalitions.

Kingdom of Greece
Apostolic Kingdom of Hungary (Warsaw Pact, League of Nations)
Republic of Iceland (London Treaty Alliance, League of Nations)
Republic of Ireland (Commonwealth of Nations, League of Nations)
Kingdom of the Netherlands (League of Nations)

New State of Portugal (London Treaty Alliance, League of Nations)
Ruled by the world's first fascist dictator, António de Oliveira Salazar.

Middle East

Provisional Government of Egypt

Africa

Empire of Ethiopia (League of Nations)
An economically backwards country ruled by the highly liberal and progressive (if anti-Communist) Emperor Haile Selassie. The Empire leans pro-British, but is more than a little mistrustful of British colonialism.

Kingdom of Morocco (London Treaty Alliance, League of Nations)

Asia

God-given Kingdom of Afghanistan (League of Nations)
A socially conservative nation in perpetual tension with its progressive monarch. Afghanistan leans pro-Union, but tries to stay neutral in world affairs.

Islamic Democratic Republic of Kashgaria
People's Republic of Manchuria (Warsaw Pact)
Union satellite-state under the leadership of Chen Duxiu.

People's Republic of Mongolia (Warsaw Pact)
Kingdom of Siam
Regency of Tibet

Oceania

Constitutional Monarchy of New Zealand (Commonwealth of Nations)
New Zealand. Exciting place.

To: Canadian, New Zealand Gov'ts
From: Our Majesty Emperor Gang, Speaker Syngman Rhee, Korea

We are looking for aid in setting up a modern air force in Korea, considering our unique position between the Soviets and the Japanese. We had contacted your British allies, and they noted that you could be a potential source of aid. To that end, we are looking for help in training pilots and acquring modern airplanes.

To: Canadian, New Zealand Gov'ts
From: Our Majesty Emperor Gang, Speaker Syngman Rhee, Korea

We are looking for aid in setting up a modern air force in Korea, considering our unique position between the Soviets and the Japanese. We had contacted your British allies, and they noted that you could be a potential source of aid. To that end, we are looking for help in training pilots and acquring modern airplanes.

Both the Canadian and New Zealand governments, and their private corporations, of course, will happily arrange contracts with the Koreans to produce Tech 6 warplanes, sell trainer aircraft, and provide advisors.

Since they're capitalist states, of course, they'll expect the Koreans to pay full price (which ordinarily would mean a profit for them but I'm not going to bother trying to figure out what that would be). But you'll be allowed, effectively, to build Tech 6 aircraft and train pilots for them.

Korea replies that it will pay to license designs (besides the Mosquito, which it is getting from the UK) and it invites engineers to aid in production of designs. Also, advisors and training aircraft are accepted, and invited to land at Sunan Air Base, where the training is occuring.

If the Paraguayan government has no objections, level I social services will be provided to all Paraguayans starting in February 1937, using procedures similar to those described here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10140876&postcount=66)

Also, President Manuel Alvarez offers Asunción a mutual defense treaty, with the stipulation that should one of the signatories launch an unprovoked war on another sovreign state, the treaty does not come into effect. Buenos Aires has no wish to be drawn into an unwanted war.

The MEU government sends notice to Egypt on matters of friendship and offering a mutual defense treaty and econ aid to help build their nation up.

Yugoslavia quietly starts funneling money to the Albanian Communist Workers Party, and Enver Hoxha as head of it. Further action is not being taken right now.

OOC:This comes up to be about .5 points a year(which i have left over from my military maintenence

If the Paraguayan government has no objections, level I social services will be provided to all Paraguayans starting in February 1937, using procedures similar to those described here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10140876&postcount=66)

Also, President Manuel Alvarez offers Asunción a mutual defense treaty, with the stipulation that should one of the signatories launch an unprovoked war on another sovreign state, the treaty does not come into effect. Buenos Aires has no wish to be drawn into an unwanted war.
Indeed, after noting the destabilizing effect that Soviet humanitarian aid had in China, the Paraguayan government does object (in particular to the display of the Argentinean flag, and to multilingual education). President Ayala notes that the Church provides enough education for the salvation of the people's souls, and that is all that is necessary as far as he is concerned. He further notes that Paraguay is already a signatory of the Pan-American Treaty (implying rather heavy-handedly that the United States is Paraguay's protector), and that if Argentina truly wishes for peace in the Western Hemisphere then they will finally swallow their pride and bring themselves to sign that document, rather than attempt to create a rival pole of power in Latin America.

Yes, that's a rude rejection.

OOC: So when is Paraguay gonna go primatenscheisse and attack everyone? I want some action!

The MEU government sends notice to Egypt on matters of friendship and offering a mutual defense treaty and econ aid to help build their nation up.
The Provisional Egyptian Government is willing to sign a Non-Aggression Pact, but not a Mutual Defense Treaty. Also, they are not particularly interested in any more "Turkish" involvements in their country at the moment, and politely decline the offer of MEU assistance at the present time. Later, an Egyptian official is reportedly overheard joking to one of his colleagues about how generous Damascus is with Warsaw's money.

Yugoslavia quietly starts funneling money to the Albanian Communist Workers Party, and Enver Hoxha as head of it. Further action is not being taken right now.

OOC:This comes up to be about .5 points a year(which i have left over from my military maintenence
Noted.

Considering Albania's tiny population, .5 points could provide the equivalent of Level IV (5 point) social services to every Albanian man, woman, and child. Of course, 30% is lost to initial setup costs, bringing it down to .35 points, and moreover you must realize that the Yugoslavs are not that well-liked in Albania. This may change in time.

Parthini']OOC: So when is Paraguay gonna go primatenscheisse and attack everyone? I want some action!

NPC nations will probably wait until after the holidays as the war moderator is busy

you forgot the Republic of Cuba, independent and in the LTA and Pan American Treaty, and without the Roosevelt Corollary and Platt Amendment

Indeed, after noting the destabilizing effect that Soviet humanitarian aid had in China, the Paraguayan government does object (in particular to the display of the Argentinean flag, and to multilingual education). President Ayala notes that the Church provides enough education for the salvation of the people's souls, and that is all that is necessary as far as he is concerned. He further notes that Paraguay is already a signatory of the Pan-American Treaty (implying rather heavy-handedly that the United States is Paraguay's protector), and that if Argentina truly wishes for peace in the Western Hemisphere then they will finally swallow their pride and bring themselves to sign that document, rather than attempt to create a rival pole of power in Latin America.

Yes, that's a rude rejection.

The Argentine government accepts that the Paraguayan government does not want foreign aid, and quietly drops the proposed program.

And it might have ended there, except that a low-rank government official leaks the Argentine offer of aid, and Paraguay's rude refusal, to the Paraguayan press.

OOC: I'm not exactly sure how this will play out, but if I were a Paraguayan peasant, I might be rather miffed at missing free education and healthcare because of government arrogance. Just a thought.

The Provisional Egyptian Government is willing to sign a Non-Aggression Pact, but not a Mutual Defense Treaty. Also, they are not particularly interested in any more "Turkish" involvements in their country at the moment, and politely decline the offer of MEU assistance at the present time. Later, an Egyptian official is reportedly overheard joking to one of his colleagues about how generous Damascus is with Warsaw's money.
The MEU agrees to sign a Non-Aggression Pact with Egypt. And MEU offcials are reportedly pasting remarks about how Cario is too stuck up to accept money to impove their nation. Its their foolish pride which is hurting them in the long run.

Actually, I didn't forget it, just forgot to cut-and-paste it.

By the way, since you're checking, Ethiopia would like to apply for membership in the LTA, and Egypt is nosing around Washington to see if they can get American patronage. They're also nosing around Paris. Anybody but the MEU, Brits, or Soviets.

OOC: I'm not exactly sure how this will play out, but if I were a Paraguayan peasant, I might be rather miffed at missing free education and healthcare because of government arrogance. Just a thought.If Paraguayan peasants could read, you'd be right.

If Paraguayan peasants could read, you'd be right.

I'm sure that most of them can't, but there are some who can. Word will get around. It'll be exaggerated, mostly incorrect, and perhaps mangled, but I trust that some people will hear, and they won't be too pleased.

I'm sure that most of them can't, but there are some who can. Word will get around. It'll be exaggerated, mostly incorrect, and perhaps mangled, but I trust that some people will hear, and they won't be too pleased.

You could, you know, hire a few German Zeppelins and attach Loudspeakers to them. Zeppelins fly pretty low you know...

Parthini']You could, you know, hire a few German Zeppelins and attach Loudspeakers to them. Zeppelins fly pretty low you know...
Zeppelins also explode very easily. Assuming they didn't just get lost in the jungle.

And, Middle Snu, you may be miffed, but Paraguay was a bad choice for your scheme. It was a regional power (Colombia), after all that pioneered the method of peacefully annexing a country by taking over its welfare and education systems. The Paraguayan elites are aware of that, and also aware that their power depends on keeping the peasants down. The peasants, in turn, are so well crushed in Paraguay that they really won't take anything that "agitators" say too seriously, because agitators have a way of either disappearing or turning out to be secret police conducting a sting. Finally, Argentina just cut the same deal with Bolivia, which Paraguay considers an enemy. Now they're starting to look at Argentina as an enemy, too. The Argentineans did try to use the Brazilian Civil War back in '23 as an excuse to try to "intervene" in nearby Uruguay, after all, until forced to back off by the Americans - thus the heavy referencing to the Pan-American Treaty.

Advice to Players Generally

Many countries at this time are a little suspicious of aid offers right out of the blue, and rightly so (China? anyone?). As a tip, try cultivating diplomatic relations first. You know, a non-aggression pact or trade agreement. Don't just offer them aid out of nowhere and immediately suggest a mutual defense traty. It looks like you're saying, "Have a bunch of money and be my PAWN!" It's kind of off-putting.

Upon hearing the slight sound of pollitical rumbling in neighboring Itallian controlled Tunisia, Algeria (The Emir) sends Fawzi Bahij, a not so known figure in the intelligence ministry but very trustworthy and discreet, to Tunisia to study the situation and learn about the factions the aare causing and might cause trouble for the Italian Colonial government in Tunisia.

He will be going under the cover of a Morrocan Journalist for an obscure Morrocan newspaper and will be carrying falsified identity and documents.

This is to be without the knowledge of Italy or the parlament.

The Algerian Emir conveys his congratulations to the proud people of Egypt and expresses his wishes to establish diplomatic relations and perhaps the exchange of embassies.

He hopes that tiesof friendship and prosperity can be founded between these two so young but yet so old nations.

Upon hearing the slight sound of pollitical rumbling in neighboring Itallian controlled Tunisia, Algeria (The Emir) sends Fawzi Bahij, a not so known figure in the intelligence ministry but very trustworthy and discreet, to Tunisia to study the situation and learn about the factions the aare causing and might cause trouble for the Italian Colonial government in Tunisia.

He will be going under the cover of a Morrocan Journalist for an obscure Morrocan newspaper and will be carrying falsified identity and documents.

This is to be without the knowledge of Italy or the parlament.
Noted. I will post some results for the fact-finding mission shortly.

The Algerian Emir conveys his congratulations to the proud people of Egypt and expresses his wishes to establish diplomatic relations and perhaps the exchange of embassies.

He hopes that tiesof friendship and prosperity can be founded between these two so young but yet so old nations.
Although the Egyptian Constituent Assembly still has yet to organize a permanent government, Acting Sultan Farouk, the provisional head of state, and Ali Maher Pasha, the head of the provisional government, both welcome Algeria's offer of friendship, and look forward to a future of cooperation between the independent states of the Maghreb.

Not sure where to post the following but it'll be here and on my news thread.

Britain attempts to bring her Pacific territories closer together politically (not geographically!) and has established a central government for the following islands:

Western Samoa. Chatham Islands, Kermadec Islands, Soloman Islands, Vanatu Islands, Tuvalu Islands, Fiji Islands, Tonga Islands, Nive Island, Western Samoa, Tokelau Islands, Phoenix Islands, Gilbert Islands, Cook Islands, Line Islands, Christmas Island Chain, Pitcairn Islands, American Samoa.

The government will be representational and Members of Parliament for it will be established on a constituency basis with each constituency of around 1000 people sending their own representation (who gets to vote is down to each local governer). The government will have the power to apply several domestic matters and is able to control aspects of trade and defence in the region. Local island based governments will still control all local issues including local defence matters and tax collection. The regional government can accept donations from members to better aid the running and welfare of the area as a whole but the majority of funding will be diverted from the British Treasury.

OOC: Essentially just to give some indepedence to these islanders. Most MPs will be the traditional Tribal Chieftans anyway and it'll just ensure that the region gets a bit less fragmented and more centralised. Also a prelude to supply British social aid to the area once I get some population figures.

ooc: Le Tag.

OIC sends notice to Egypt, and any other Muslim states to join the summit.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10165735#post10165735

ooc
I would assume Morocco shows up

The Government of the USEA informs Siam that it is considering expanding it's rail network in the coming years, and asks in the intrest of good relations between the USEA and Siam, wether Siam would like to be connected to the network via border settlements such as Vientiane, Savannakhet and Sisophon if such a plan was to go ahead.

Awaiting results on fact finding mission

The government of the Federated States of India send a message to the government of Afghanistan, seeking a non-agression pact with the Kingdom and better relations between the two nations.

The government of Argentina sends a carefully-worded message to Paraguay, requesting that the Paraguayan government accept neutral moderation in order to prevent a war over the border dispute with Bolivia.

The government of Argentina sends a carefully-worded message to Paraguay, requesting that the Paraguayan government accept neutral moderation in order to prevent a war over the border dispute with Bolivia.

Paraguay stalls for a while, and then eventually responds noncommittedly

The Jappanese Government offers a military and economic alliance to Siam. It would include a mutual defense agreement and a agreement to provide Siam with Japanese weapons at a discount along with aid (points) if Siam wishes.

In return, the Japanese government requests a naval base and (secret) Siamese aid in providing money to extremists / pro-independence groups in the Dutch East Indies.

The Jappanese Government offers a military and economic alliance to Siam. It would include a mutual defense agreement and a agreement to provide Siam with Japanese weapons at a discount along with aid (points) if Siam wishes.

In return, the Japanese government requests a naval base and (secret) Siamese aid in providing money to extremists / pro-independence groups in the Dutch East Indies.
This will be accepted.

The government of the Federated States of India send a message to the government of Afghanistan, seeking a non-agression pact with the Kingdom and better relations between the two nations.
Kabul will probably agree to this.

Secret IC:

The French Government quietly begins funding Leftist groups in Belgium [OOC: Using the one point I'm recieving from Yugoslavia for tanks]. They are encouraged to begin protests against the government and monarchy, but to refrain from violence. This is all, of course, done through back-channels.

Secret IC:

The French Government quietly begins funding Leftist groups in Belgium [OOC: Using the one point I'm recieving from Yugoslavia for tanks]. They are encouraged to begin protests against the government and monarchy, but to refrain from violence. This is all, of course, done through back-channels.

Belgium (which historically had a very efficient police force) begins arresting troublemakers immediately after France joins the Warsaw Pact and they are sent to periods of hard labor in the Belgium Congo for treason. Belguim also expels several French diplomats implicated for supplying money to agitators.

Belgium (which historically had a very efficient police force) begins arresting troublemakers immediately after France joins the Warsaw Pact and they are sent to periods of hard labor in the Belgium Congo for treason. Belguim also expels several French diplomats implicated for supplying money to agitators.


France denys any culpability and several diplomats are given slaps on the wrist.

How are things in Tunisia?

How are things in Tunisia?

ooc
dull, historically Tunisia got its independence because it wasn't worth keeping after Algeria got theirs. Libya has occasional tribal issues however, but the Italian Army is able to contain them.

the US Government quietly begins to pressure the Dutch, Belgians, Portuguese and Italians to spend some money on their colonies (at least to level 2 social levels) and work out some kind of framework for local self government.

FDR also contacts the British and asks their assistance in this.

the US Government quietly begins to pressure the Dutch, Belgians, Portuguese and Italians to spend some money on their colonies (at least to level 2 social levels) and work out some kind of framework for local self government.

FDR also contacts the British and asks their assistance in this.
The Dutch and the Italians will need no pressure - in truth they probably started before anyone else. The Dutch, however, will still stand on their neutrality (at least for the moment, they don't regard the Pact as a threat). The Belgians are hard cases, though. Their African colonies were organized as a feudal playground in E20, which, combined with the racial caste element, would make the Congo considerably uglier than E20 South Africa. Their last king (i.e., the player) made a point of spending absolutely nothing on social services even in Belgium.

The Portuguese are Fascist, of course, but I'll look into their colonial attitudes.

The Union, meanwhile, will invite Kashgaria into the Pact. Aid continues to flow regardless, and no particular pressure is applied. Afghanistan (with which we already have a Non-Aggression Pact) will be offered a foreign aid package next year, consisting essentially of rural electrification and some direct investment in textile manufacturing.

Diplomatic and commercial contacts with Burgundy will increase, however, "in the hopes of a greater cooperative relationship in the future."

The Dutch and the Italians will need no pressure - in truth they probably started before anyone else. The Dutch, however, will still stand on their neutrality (at least for the moment, they don't regard the Pact as a threat). The Belgians are hard cases, though. Their African colonies were organized as a feudal playground in E20, which, combined with the racial caste element, would make the Congo considerably uglier than E20 South Africa. Their last king (i.e., the player) made a point of spending absolutely nothing on social services even in Belgium.

The Portuguese are Fascist, of course, but I'll look into their colonial attitudes.


I can see the Portuguese being pretty liberal actually, they were historically less inclined to racist policies then just about any other colonial power. Dr. Salazar ran a fairly moderate fascist regime after all.

That was always my impression, too. I just need to confirm it.

The Italians were the same way. A lot of Eritreans still love Italy.

The Government of the USEA informs Siam that it is considering expanding it's rail network in the coming years, and asks in the intrest of good relations between the USEA and Siam, wether Siam would like to be connected to the network via border settlements such as Vientiane, Savannakhet and Sisophon if such a plan was to go ahead.

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The Government of the USEA informs Siam that it is considering expanding it's rail network in the coming years, and asks in the intrest of good relations between the USEA and Siam, wether Siam would like to be connected to the network via border settlements such as Vientiane, Savannakhet and Sisophon if such a plan was to go ahead.

ooc
Siam doesn't have a railway yet, so they will get back to you

ooc
Siam doesn't have a railway yet, so they will get back to you

OOC: Ack, really should have looked that one up shouldn't have I? :D

The Government of the USEA informs Siam that it is considering expanding it's rail network in the coming years, and asks in the intrest of good relations between the USEA and Siam, wether Siam would like to be connected to the network via border settlements such as Vientiane, Savannakhet and Sisophon if such a plan was to go ahead.
Even though the Thais are cultivating closer links with Japan right now, they'd probably go for this.

OOC: Which is rather a moot point since thay don't have railway at the moment. Though I could offer to help them build a railway that can be linked up, if they pay me....

OOC: Which is rather a moot point since thay don't have railway at the moment. Though I could offer to help them build a railway that can be linked up, if they pay me....
Yes, I noticed they didn't have a rail system, but I figure they wouldn't mind their border towns being connected to the Indochinese networks.

The government will definitely consider contracting the Indochinese to build a rail network within Siam, though, if a deal can be worked out (they don't have a lot of money right now, but I think they might be getting some aid from the Japanese soon).

With Ethiopia having been utterly snubbed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10155509&postcount=17) by the London Treaty states (particularly offensive now with the Spanish Crisis), and with Washington having ignored Egypt's feelers (and Paris now in the Pact), both the Constitutional Sultanate of Egypt and the Empire of Ethiopia will sign a Mutual Defense Pact, and jointly declare their "absolute non-alignment with any pole of the great power system."

They are rumored to be in talks with Rome about resurrecting the Non-Aligned Movement, since the collapse of the League of Nations and the remilitarization of Franc and Spain has Italy reported to be increasingly interested in withdrawing from the LTA and pursuing neutrality.

Feelers will be sent to Algeria by all three states.

OOC: Is Ethiopia still in an alliance with me? Or has this been renounced as well? If so the British garrison there will move to Suez.

OOC: Is Ethiopia still in an alliance with me? Or has this been renounced as well? If so the British garrison there will move to Suez.
It's not been renounced, no. They were just interested in joining the LTA, but (1) they were met with total indifference, and (2) that's starting to look more risky than profitable for Old Abyssinia.

Ah good, I suppose there was just too much excitement over Spain in teh LTA that everyone overlooked little Ethiopia, ah well probably for the best.

Thanks for the reply VP.

the US Government quietly begins to pressure the Dutch, Belgians, Portuguese and Italians to spend some money on their colonies (at least to level 2 social levels) and work out some kind of framework for local self government.

FDR also contacts the British and asks their assistance in this.
Somewhat unexpectedly, my preliminary research indicates the Portuguese were among the scummiest of colonial powers. Timor was regarded as a penal colony, Mozambique was the Portuguese version of South Africa (huge European population, at least by African standards, and a big "labor" exporter), and Angola, of course, is freakin' Angola. The Portuguese are simply quiet racists, rather than seething ones.

Salazar himself, of course, for all that he's a "moderate" fascist, is a very proud man, and the State Department will tell you that his response will depend a lot on just what form this "quiet pressure" will take.

Yes, I noticed they didn't have a rail system, but I figure they wouldn't mind their border towns being connected to the Indochinese networks.

The government will definitely consider contracting the Indochinese to build a rail network within Siam, though, if a deal can be worked out (they don't have a lot of money right now, but I think they might be getting some aid from the Japanese soon).

Ok so the state owned contracter that is doing most of the construction work informs the Siamese govenment that border towns closest to those settlements already mentioned will be connected and that they would be willing to construct a railway from Udon Thani to Satta Hip via Bangkok and connected to Vientiane, Sisophon and Savannakhet (Map: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/th-mapRR.png)
for six points (may change because Ive got to ask GB what it would actually cost)

Ok so the state owned contracter that is doing most of the construction work informs the Siamese govenment that border towns closest to those settlements already mentioned will be connected and that they would be willing to construct a railway from Udon Thani to Satta Hip via Bangkok and connected to Vientiane, Sisophon and Savannakhet for six points (may change because Ive got to ask GB what it would actually cost)
Six points is a lot of money for the Thais, so they'll probably offer the financial equivalent of two points and make up the rest with commercial preferences for Indochina with Thai tin and rubber (for processing in Indochina and re-export, presumably). All told, the plan they put together would give the USEAS back 1 point per year for six years, at which point the contracts would expire unless renewed. I'd have to check with GB, but I'm pretty sure this is a big chunk of their national income - they were pretty poor in the late 'Thirties.

Six points is a lot of money for the Thais, so they'll probably offer the financial equivalent of two points and make up the rest with commercial preferences for Indochina with Thai tin and rubber (for processing in Indochina and re-export, presumably). All told, the plan they put together would give the USEAS back 1 point per year for six years, at which point the contracts would expire unless renewed. I'd have to check with GB, but I'm pretty sure this is a big chunk of their national income - they were pretty poor in the late 'Thirties.

Yeah they only have three points a year, but i have a feeling that it might cost a bit less than six anyway, i'll wait till I hear from GB.

Oh, three points a year? Yeah, they'll probably agree to extend the repayment plan to twelve years, then.

And according to the WiF map, the Thais should have a railroad running from Singapore up the Malay Peninsula to Songkhla, through Bangkok, with its terminus at Chinag Mai. Did the Brits never build that in E20?

Somewhat unexpectedly, my preliminary research indicates the Portuguese were among the scummiest of colonial powers. Timor was regarded as a penal colony, Mozambique was the Portuguese version of South Africa (huge European population, at least by African standards, and a big "labor" exporter), and Angola, of course, is freakin' Angola. The Portuguese are simply quiet racists, rather than seething ones.

Salazar himself, of course, for all that he's a "moderate" fascist, is a very proud man, and the State Department will tell you that his response will depend a lot on just what form this "quiet pressure" will take.

Basically the Americans are quietly urging the Portuguese to provide some services to avoid the possibility of Communist led rebels causing trouble. Better to spend a little money now then a lot of money later. The US is already doing that in Central America and has for some time. Bread and Circuses will go a long way.

the Dutch begin noticing the increase in smuggling of weapons into the Dutch East Indies, and reinforce their garrison and send another flotilla of destroyers from home to their vital colony.

Basically the Americans are quietly urging the Portuguese to provide some services to avoid the possibility of Communist led rebels causing trouble. Better to spend a little money now then a lot of money later. The US is already doing that in Central America and has for some time. Bread and Circuses will go a long way.
Salazar's government will respond that it has no particular interest in "wasting the finances of the Portuguese people on a hopeless mission to uplift a passel of irredeemable savages." They are also rather more concerned that if they do so, the "primitives might come to expect more, thus actually paving the way for future unrest." They regard Roosevelt's proposal as "ill-considered, and likely to provoke the very revolutions it seeks to avoid," and add that "Lisbon will keep its own counsel where colonial policy is concerned, thank you very much."

The Belgians are less articulate, and a lot more offensive, but essentially say the same thing.

After all, oppression hasn't been disproven as an effective management method yet.

I forget how much fun it can be to be unabashedly evil.

Australia approaches New Zealand with the idea of a more unified trade network. Perhaps along the lines of lowered prices on each others goods. With similar histories and interests in the same part of the globe, we propose special privileges in each others ports (to a greater degree than other LTA members) and we will provide 3 points next turn to begin a merchant marine fleet to sweeten the pot.

New Zealand will happily agree (the merchant marine investment is accepted especially eagerly).

Of course, Australia doesn't need much of what New Zealand's got, so the effects will probably be pretty slight.

OOC: Just following the advice shown here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10156773&postcount=21

I may not need any materials from them, but 4 (and now 5) build points could come in handy down the road if it can be pulled off.

How much of a rail-line does Afghanistan have? Because if it doesn't have much of one (I know there's a line to Kabul, and from there Samarkand), I'm thinking of building it one when I have the points. Here is what I have in mind:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/AfghanistanRailLines.png

The red-lines are single-track, and the blue ones are double. Now, normally one would build double track everywhere, but I've been playing Railroad Tycoon 3 alot recently, and I have to say, in the majority of cases you only need single-track rail (especially if you're talking about a third-world country like Afghanistan). I only put in the double track for areas that could have trains going two ways.

It seems like a hard thing to do, though. So I'm thinking of this; how ab00t some co-ordinated effort by Afghanistans big neighbors (India, the Union, und the M.E.U.)

Just a thought...

And according to the WiF map, the Thais should have a railroad running from Singapore up the Malay Peninsula to Songkhla, through Bangkok, with its terminus at Chinag Mai. Did the Brits never build that in E20?

I imagine that some sort of railroad would exist at this time. I have never directly stated to build one there but bearing in mind it's Britain's largest naval port in the Pacific I should imagine that there'd be something there.

The simple facts of the matter are that I do not have the time nor inclination to list every historical railroad or whatever that is built in the Empire (it's just too big!) and I just tend to go by anything that is built historically just happens on it's own. It's far from a perfect system but it seems to be OK.

In short, yes it probably exists!

It seems like a hard thing to do, though. So I'm thinking of this; how ab00t some co-ordinated effort by Afghanistans big neighbors (India, the Union, und the M.E.U.)

Just a thought...
Warsaw likes it. It'd be nice to see some cooperation between countries for a change.

Mazar-e-Sharif, Kondoz, and Shir Khan are in Soviet Turkestan, by the way, and there's already a railway linking Kabul to Samarkand (in the Union) and Lahor (in India). We built it during the War, and why we didn't just go to Rawalpindi I don't know.

Union (and MEU? I can never remember) tracks are a different gauge from British, though, and we'll have to work out switch points, and maybe some areas where we want to double-up.

Take this to the Union thread for further discussion.

I imagine that some sort of railroad would exist at this time. I have never directly stated to build one there but bearing in mind it's Britain's largest naval port in the Pacific I should imagine that there'd be something there.

The simple facts of the matter are that I do not have the time nor inclination to list every historical railroad or whatever that is built in the Empire (it's just too big!) and I just tend to go by anything that is built historically just happens on it's own. It's far from a perfect system but it seems to be OK.

In short, yes it probably exists!
That will make the Thais very happy indeed, since a lot of their economy is based around resource extraction on the peninsula, and the combined rail system will give them a much greater capacity to move freight around.

A (rather boring) note on rail gauges

A few popular gauges:

5ft 6in (1676 mm)
Argentina
Chile
Indian Sub-Continent

5ft 5½in (1668 mm)
Portugal
Spain

5ft 3in (1600 mm)
Republic of Ireland
Northern Ireland
Brazil
Australia

5ft (1524 mm)
Panama
Russia (all states)
Turkestan
Mongolia

4ft 8½in (1435 mm), <Standard Gauge>
UK (and Empire)
Canada
USA
Rest of Europe (I believe Germany changed to Union standard gauge in E20)
French Africa
China
Rest of Asia
Manchuria
MEU (inc Iran, Iraq, Persia)
Rest of South America

3ft 6in (1067 mm)
South Africa
Japan
Costa Rica
Honduras

1000 mm
Bolivia
Laos
Vietnam
Cambodia
Switzerland

914 mm
El Salvador
Guatemala
Peru

Afghanistan has no real railways at this point and an interesting situation could occur with it being at the crossroads of Asia. It is surrounded by three different gauges (1435 mm, 1520 mm, 1676 mm). Iran to the west uses standard gauge, as does China to the east; to the south, Pakistan/India uses 1676 mm gauge, while to the north, the states of Turkmenia, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan use 1520 mm gauge. The current railines would historically be a jumble of these foreign ones depending on which company sponsored them, plus the main Kabul one would run on British Standard Gauge, a legacy of occupation, though there were triple lines (ie. three rails laid on one track) by the 20's and 30's so that Indian rail could utilise some of the routes.

Russia, interestingly enough used a different gauge to the rest of the world so that invaders would not be able to use their own railway trucks on Russian lines. A pretty good idea to be honest! A real problem could happen in Afghanistan though with such a rail network.

Sorry for being such a bore, just found a site on the internet with a load of this stuff on.

Sorry for being such a bore, just found a site on the internet with a load of this stuff on.
Actually, as I said, there is a railway through Afghanistan which we built in the Second Great War. Germany did switch to our gauge, as did the rest of Eastern Europe. We built China's railways, as well as the MEU's, but I can't remember what gauges we used.

It's not boring at all, actually - rather helpful. But a little different than E20, I think.

I built Panama's railroad, so they'll be the same gauge as the rest of Gran Colombia.

Rail Guages (since we're on the subject)

The whole entire Pact (France, Germany, Soviets, Spain, MEU, Balkans) all have their tracks standardized, as was done by '26. I think the Soviet tracks in China are also standardized.

Parth is the expert, since he built most of 'em.

With Ethiopia having been utterly snubbed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10155509&postcount=17) by the London Treaty states (particularly offensive now with the Spanish Crisis), and with Washington having ignored Egypt's feelers (and Paris now in the Pact), both the Constitutional Sultanate of Egypt and the Empire of Ethiopia will sign a Mutual Defense Pact, and jointly declare their "absolute non-alignment with any pole of the great power system."

They are rumored to be in talks with Rome about resurrecting the Non-Aligned Movement, since the collapse of the League of Nations and the remilitarization of Franc and Spain has Italy reported to be increasingly interested in withdrawing from the LTA and pursuing neutrality.

Feelers will be sent to Algeria by all three states.

The US Government sends a request to send Vice President Harry Truman to visit the leaders of both nations (Egypt and Ethiopia) for talks about helping them develop their economies.

ooc
the US is going to try to fix the situation as the US player was busy dealing with Christmas when Vas made the original post....

Argentina approaches Chile with offers of increased economic relations. Transportation links between the two countries would be strengthened, incentives introduced to promote trade, and an effort would be made to integrate business laws so that businesses could facilitate trade more easily. This would cost a substantial sum, of which Argentina agrees to pay 3/4 of by 1941, if Chile will pay the other quarter.

(OOC: this would amount to 1 extra build point. Chile puts up 6 points, Argentina invests 18, and 1 point would be added to the Chilean economic index.)

Argentina approaches Chile with offers of increased economic relations. Transportation links between the two countries would be strengthened, incentives introduced to promote trade, and an effort would be made to integrate business laws so that businesses could facilitate trade more easily. This would cost a substantial sum, of which Argentina agrees to pay 3/4 of by 1941, if Chile will pay the other quarter.

(OOC: this would amount to 1 extra build point. Chile puts up 6 points, Argentina invests 18, and 1 point would be added to the Chilean economic index.)

Chile would probably agree, hoping to improve relations.

ooc:Has Paraguay agreed to move its troops back as decribed in my thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443200&page=5

ooc:Has Paraguay agreed to move its troops back as decribed in my thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443200&page=5

No they haven't actually

Argentina sends messages to Ecuador and Peru, asking for increased diplomatic relations and a non-aggression pact.

The Thai government is informed that the USEA is willing to build its new railtrack for 12 points to be paid back over 10 years.

If however the Thai government is willing to accept a trade agreement and mutual defence treaty then the USEA would cut the amount to be paid back down to 5 points to be paid back over the same period.

The project will take two years starting next year in 1940 and finishing in 1941 where Siam will linked up to Indochina and the rest of its exsisting rail network.

Just a note, Denmark and Iceland are part of the Scandinavian Union and so are not NPC's.

Just a note, Denmark and Iceland are part of the Scandinavian Union and so are not NPC's.

Iceland and Greenland aren't, they have been American protecterates since before the 2nd Great War

Really? How'd that happen?

Really? How'd that happen?

when the Germans invaded Denmark before the Great War, the US seized Iceland, Greenland and the Danish Virgin Islands and gave them all independence. They have since joined the LTA.

when the Germans invaded Denmark before the Great War, the US seized Iceland, Greenland and the Danish Virgin Islands and gave them all independence. They have since joined the LTA.

You jerk. Any hope of me getting Iceland or Greenland back at least?

You jerk. Any hope of me getting Iceland or Greenland back at least?

nope, Iceland was never a big fan of Danish rule, and I am sure they like their independence (I have been reading a lot on them lately, in regards to some anthropological research I am doing). Greenland is essentially a dependency of Iceland, and the Virgin Islands love the American tourist business they are getting. The LTA also really likes the airbases they have in all three places, and they were very useful during the 2nd Great War in dealing with the Pact submarine problem.

Colombia sends a representative to Holland, to discuss the possible purchase of Dutch Guyana/Suriname. If the Netherlands wishes to propose a price, Colombia would be happy to pay it.

In another surge in foreign relations, Colombia asks Ecuador, Peru, and Chile if they wish to take part in a trans-south american railroad/highway network and standardization throughout the countries, including Argentina (who already agreed elsewhere). The construction of these highways and railroads would generally be paid for by Colombia (The majority of the costs, but not all.)

Meh, losing Iceland hurts.

Meh, losing Iceland hurts.

I know how you feel. I thought I had Sri Lanka for the longest time, but didn't.

But think of it this way; now you don't have to worry about those pesky independence movements.

The US Government sends a request to send Vice President Harry Truman to visit the leaders of both nations (Egypt and Ethiopia) for talks about helping them develop their economies.

ooc
the US is going to try to fix the situation as the US player was busy dealing with Christmas when Vas made the original post....
Although tempted by the possibility of economic aid, Ethiopia's going to stall - the recent war scare has caused the Emperor to reconsider the wisdom of joining an alliance that would require making military commitments against states far more powerful than his own. However, the actual decision whether to join will depend a lot on what kind of aid is offered.

After the Soviet firebombing of Shiraz, though, Egypt considers the snub forgiven and forgotten, and will sign the Alliance Treaty regardless of the particulars of the American aid package.

In another surge in foreign relations, Colombia asks Ecuador, Peru, and Chile if they wish to take part in a trans-south american railroad/highway network and standardization throughout the countries, including Argentina (who already agreed elsewhere). The construction of these highways and railroads would generally be paid for by Colombia (The majority of the costs, but not all.)
Peru and Chile will support this idea, but Ecuador seems to be undergoing a period of violent anarchy - for several years, no "government" in Ecuador has been stable enough to consider such a scheme. (This is based on the Encyclopaedia Britannica, rather than Wiki or anything else - if somebody knows more about Ecuador in the 'Thirties, I'll happily revise this if necessary. Ecuador should be entering a period of greater stability in a couple of years, barring incidents.)

Colombia sends a representative to Holland, to discuss the possible purchase of Dutch Guyana/Suriname. If the Netherlands wishes to propose a price, Colombia would be happy to pay it.
While Dutch Guyana is not as profitable to the empire as the DEI, I nevertheless expect this to be pretty unlikely. The Dutch are surprisingly popular in Suriname, as well, and the American company Alcoa is pretty powerful there. You might do better to take your interest to Washington (or Wall Street).

Argentina sends messages to Ecuador and Peru, asking for increased diplomatic relations and a non-aggression pact.
Peru will agree. As noted in the post above, however, there really is no Ecuador at the present time.

The Thai government is informed that the USEA is willing to build its new railtrack for 12 points to be paid back over 10 years.

If however the Thai government is willing to accept a trade agreement and mutual defence treaty then the USEA would cut the amount to be paid back down to 5 points to be paid back over the same period.

The project will take two years starting next year in 1940 and finishing in 1941 where Siam will linked up to Indochina and the rest of its exsisting rail network.


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The Thai government is informed that the USEA is willing to build its new railtrack for 12 points to be paid back over 10 years.

If however the Thai government is willing to accept a trade agreement and mutual defence treaty then the USEA would cut the amount to be paid back down to 5 points to be paid back over the same period.

The project will take two years starting next year in 1940 and finishing in 1941 where Siam will linked up to Indochina and the rest of its exsisting rail network.
This is a tough call. The Thai/Viet rivalry is an ancient one, but that's a pretty good deal.

I think, actually, even the Fascists will hold their noses and endorse this. After all, if necessary, they can always betray you later. And if not, Indochina is a pretty powerful regional ally.

The USEA is pleased to hear that Siam has accepted and enquires whether Siam would like to exchange embassies with USEA.

The USEA is pleased to hear that Siam has accepted and enquires whether Siam would like to exchange embassies with USEA.
In for a penny, in for a pound.

In other words, yes.

Japan, in the interest of improving relations with Siam, offers to cover Siam's portion of the bill free of charge.

ooc: if this is accepted, how much would I owe?

Japan, in the interest of improving relations with Siam, offers to cover Siam's portion of the bill free of charge.

ooc: if this is accepted, how much would I owe?
5 points - peanuts to Japan. The Indochinese are likely to be rather unsettled, of course, but since they're a PC nation, that's their lookout. The civilian government will gratefully accept the Japanese offer under pressure from the highly pro-Japanese Fascist military.

Things might get interesting.

5 points - peanuts to Japan. The Indochinese are likely to be rather unsettled, of course, but since they're a PC nation, that's their lookout. The civilian government will gratefully accept the Japanese offer under pressure from the highly pro-Japanese Fascist military.

Things might get interesting.

The Indochinese are very unsettled by this and the Japanese government is informed very quietly through discrete back channels that imperialist japanese presence in South-East Asia will not be tollerated.


The USEA thanks Siam for agreeing and informs the Thai government that it would be sending His Royal Highness Prince Norodom Sihanouk (A Cambodian) to be the ambassador to Bangkok.

Uber-Top Secret:

Japanese Military officials approach top Siamese military leaders and promise military support if it becomes unfortunately necessary to replace the current civilian government.

Uber-Top Secret:

Japanese Military officials approach top Siamese military leaders and promise military support if it becomes unfortunately necessary to replace the current civilian government.
Oi. So noted.

In South Africa, Vice President Harry S. Truman announces a massive LTA project to bring development to the British portion of Africa, and also offers aid to Ethiopia and Liberia.

ooc
Essentially the US is pledging roughly 125 points over a few years, while the British are increasing their services and the South Africans are pitching in what they can.

Peru will agree. As noted in the post above, however, there really is no Ecuador at the present time.

Argentine minister of the treasury Diego de la Cruz goes to Peru to meet with his counterparts. He offers substancial investment in a Peruvian merchant marine, in exchange for part of the benefits that result from increased trade. As in added incentive, the Peruvian government will be able to buy the Argentine share of the fleet at any time.

(OOC: I'll give peru 12 points in '41, they'll build 4 merchant marine, and we each get 2 points/turn, doubling Peru's income. I expect that they'll accept, because they really have nothing to lose and a lot to gain.)

Having discussed Alcoa with the US Government, Colombia has the nod. We wish to pursue the matter.

ooc: Popular? Last time I talked to a person from Suriname, they reminded me that the Dutch started the Slave Trade. And remember that whole thing about the Dutch and Belgians being rather harsh on their colonies? Thought that might make a difference, but its your call sir.

ooc: Popular? Last time I talked to a person from Suriname, they reminded me that the Dutch started the Slave Trade. And remember that whole thing about the Dutch and Belgians being rather harsh on their colonies? Thought that might make a difference, but its your call sir.
You gotta remember that, at independence, a third of the population left for Holland - kinda skews later opinions. But you're right, the Dutch were harsh.

What's Colombia offering, exactly?

Free Education, Free Healthcare, Reperations for Slaves, Jobs, access to world markets, Social Security, Security (not so much), Brotherhood, and finally, the elimination of discrimination.

Argentine minister of the treasury Diego de la Cruz goes to Peru to meet with his counterparts. He offers substancial investment in a Peruvian merchant marine, in exchange for part of the benefits that result from increased trade. As in added incentive, the Peruvian government will be able to buy the Argentine share of the fleet at any time.

(OOC: I'll give peru 12 points in '41, they'll build 4 merchant marine, and we each get 2 points/turn, doubling Peru's income. I expect that they'll accept, because they really have nothing to lose and a lot to gain.)
Your expectations are correct.

Free Education, Free Healthcare, Reperations for Slaves, Jobs, access to world markets, Social Security, Security (not so much), Brotherhood, and finally, the elimination of discrimination.
I meant, what's Colombia offering to Holland?

Or are you fomenting a Revolution (much easier, by the way)?

The United States urges the Netherlands to place an oil embargo on Japan for its unprovoked attack on Japan, pointing out that Japanese aggression could very easily be aimed at them next.

Britain urges their traditional allies, the Dutch, to cease all trade to Japan particularly that originating in the East Indies. The Japanese unprovoked agression against China must not be allowed to continue in the interests of world security. Britain rmeinds the Dutch that whilst they currently enjoy a safe situation in the East Indies they could very easily be invaded next and that British forces in the area are already committed to defending British and Commonwealth territory before other considerations. The Dutch will be protected by their allies as best as we can but unfortunately Britain must place the security of her own territory and those of the Commonwealth before others. There is no garuntee that the East Indies can be prevented from falling into the hands of the Japanese if an invasion scenario occurs.

My preliminary researches indicate that the Dutch tended to trust in their neutrality far, far more than circumstances ever justified. Moreover, they were surprisingly pro-German in RL prior to WWII (and there's no reason for that to have changed), and tended to be a little resentful towards the British on account of the Boer War.

Moreover, Washington's (or rather, Alcoa's) recent "understanding" with the Colombians over the status of Dutch Guyana, if it is known about (which it probably isn't), will not endear the Dutch to the LTA. Conversely, the recent ham-handed attempts of the French to interfere in Dutch politics will not endear them to the Pact, either (though it must be noted that France, going against official Pact - or rather, Union - policy, actually supports the Chinese cause against the Japanese).

Due to all of these considerations, in my estimation the Dutch would politely decline to join the embargo, though they are surely concerned and will increase their military and naval presence in the region.

SIC:
The USEA Armed forces have been ordered to begin mobilization and messages are sent to allies telling them this.
Mobilization cannot be kept secret for long, and shortly after this, a fascist military coup occurs in Siam, the Thai National Army is mobilized and moved to protect Siam's borders, and all property of the USEA in Siam is nationalized.

Effectively, Indochina loses 1 production point and the Thais gain 1. And war looks imminent (the Thai military trusts in the power of Japan - we'll find out soon whether that trust is misplaced).

Mobilization cannot be kept secret for long, and shortly after this, a fascist military coup occurs in Siam, the Thai National Army is mobilized and moved to protect Siam's borders, and all property of the USEA in Siam is nationalized.

Effectively, Indochina loses 1 production point and the Thais gain 1. And war looks imminent (the Thai military trusts in the power of Japan - we'll find out soon whether that trust is misplaced).

OOC: Ouch, that sucks.

IC: The Government of India sends a message to Siam, saying that they do not recognize the military government, and threaten an embargo on Siamese goods until a democratic government is restored.

OOC: Of course, this doesn't actually do anything, as India isn't going to go to war with Siam, and I don't think Siamese-Indian trade is all that large.

OOC: Ouch, that sucks.

IC: The Government of India sends a message to Siam, saying that they do not recognize the military government, and threaten an embargo on Siamese goods until a democratic government is restored.

OOC: Of course, this doesn't actually do anything, as India isn't going to go to war with Siam, and I don't think Siamese-Indian trade is all that large.
Pretty ironic, too, considering that India had a fascist coup only a couple of years ago itself.

Mobilization cannot be kept secret for long, and shortly after this, a fascist military coup occurs in Siam, the Thai National Army is mobilized and moved to protect Siam's borders, and all property of the USEA in Siam is nationalized.

Effectively, Indochina loses 1 production point and the Thais gain 1. And war looks imminent (the Thai military trusts in the power of Japan - we'll find out soon whether that trust is misplaced).

The USEA government publically denounces the new military leadership and refuses to recognize them.
A secret message is smuggled to the deposed royal family saying that with their consent the USEA will take action to remove the military from power.

Meanwhile mobilzation is switched so that the Marines and an infantry corps (from Saigon) are deployed to the the Siam-USEA border. The airforce is put on high alert and a flotilla of heavy destroyers is ordered to depart Cam Ranh and blockade Thai ports (Mostly Bangkok)

Pretty ironic, too, considering that India had a fascist coup only a couple of years ago itself.

The irony is quite apparent to me. However, we had a restoration of a democratic government. But Siam wasn't that democratic before, either.

A pair of US cruisers, the Astoria and Vincennes, move into the Gulf of Bangkok with 5 destroyer escorts to evacuate Westerners who wish to leave Siam.

Meanwhile, the US Embassy secretly attempts to contact any loyalists who wish to return the King of Siam to power.

A pair of US cruisers, the Astoria and Vincennes, move into the Gulf of Bangkok with 5 destroyer escorts to evacuate Westerners who wish to leave Siam.

Meanwhile, the US Embassy secretly attempts to contact any loyalists who wish to return the King of Siam to power.
So noted. The new dictator is Field Marshal Pibulsonggram, by the way, of the so-called Populist Party, and among his first acts are organizing a command economy (fascist-corporatist) and declaring a National Effort, funded in part by mass confiscations of the properties of Overseas Chinese. The opposition is currently very disorganized and split among conservative monarchists and liberal socialists, with the conservatives dominating slightly.

So noted. The new dictator is Field Marshal Pibulsonggram, by the way, of the so-called Populist Party, and among his first acts are organizing a command economy (fascist-corporatist) and declaring a National Effort, funded in part by mass confiscations of the properties of Overseas Chinese. The opposition is currently very disorganized and split among conservative monarchists and liberal socialists, with the conservatives dominating slightly.

Oh dear, does this mean that there will be an eventual coming-together of the monarchists and socialists, who after defeating a common enemy go to war with each other, a la Chinese Civil War in RL?

RL Thai history was a lot more moderate. We'll see what happens in E20, though.

Thai Socialists, are a lot more liberal then the Chinese Communists.

RL Thai history was a lot more moderate. We'll see what happens in E20, though.

Thai Socialists, are a lot more liberal then the Chinese Communists.

So the Thai socialist are probably more in line with the USEA Socialists.

Anyway Vas could you respond to my message the Thai royal family.

Algeria informs it ally and good neighbor Morocco that some surplus (0.5 points) from this year's projected budget is expected and would like to grant it to them as a sign of goodwill in these turbulant times.

Colombia would like the Dutch to tell us what it would take to get Suriname.

In other news, Colombia is willing to spend 10 points in Ecuador for social services (level 3) and some funds to organize a more substantial and stable government.

So the Thai socialist are probably more in line with the USEA Socialists.

Anyway Vas could you respond to my message the Thai royal family.
SIC
Get in touch with Americans, and perhaps the French.

Algeria informs it ally and good neighbor Morocco that some surplus (0.5 points) from this year's projected budget is expected and would like to grant it to them as a sign of goodwill in these turbulant times.
Nice referencing of the "turbulent times" - they'll accept, and seek closer relations with the Muslim neighbor.

Colombia would like the Dutch to tell us what it would take to get Suriname.
Why ya gotta go make me work like that? They'll respond with something like "Suriname's total production for the next twenty years, how about that?"

In other news, Colombia is willing to spend 10 points in Ecuador for social services (level 3) and some funds to organize a more substantial and stable government.
What faction do you want to back (some combination of Left or Right, and Moderate or Radical)? Figure at least half of all your spending will be drained by instability the first year, and a quarter the second, achieving stability by the third, barring external interference.

We won't support any party. The funding is for actual election measures. Once a government is elected, then Colombia will send them more funds to help them achieve their goals.

And Suriname really doesn't produce any points... lol. If they did, it would be around 1. We can afford 20 points.

SIC
Get in touch with Americans, and perhaps the French.



Eh? is that their reply?

It means that events are already moving forwards.

SIC:

The Thai government is informed that Japan is currently unable to aid it militarially in a conflict with the USEA government if Siam is to initiate hostilities. They are told rather bluntly that this is because of the mutual defense pact USEA has with the American government. However, Japan is willing to send troops and ships to help secure the nation from internal dessention.

On April 1 the American task force at Bangkok finishes evacuating LTA citizens from Siam. Among those evacuated are the embassy staffs of those nations. Shortly after that, the US broadcasts from Manila a message from the interim Prime Minister of Siam, who pleas for the LTA to save his country from a bunch of ruthless bandits and crooks disguised as soldiers.

On April 2, the US task force announces a blockade of Bangkok and the rest of Siam per orders of the interim legal government of Siam.

Prime Minister Scullin orders units of the Australian Navy to assist in the blockade of Bangkok. HMAS Australia, HMAS Canberra, HMAS Sydney, HMAS Perth and escorts will move north as soon as possible. (OOC: 2 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, and 10 destroyers) This nation will stand by its allies in the LTA and by the rightful government of Siam.

On April 1 the American task force at Bangkok finishes evacuating LTA citizens from Siam. Among those evacuated are the embassy staffs of those nations. Shortly after that, the US broadcasts from Manila a message from the interim Prime Minister of Siam, who pleas for the LTA to save his country from a bunch of ruthless bandits and crooks disguised as soldiers.

On April 2, the US task force announces a blockade of Bangkok and the rest of Siam per orders of the interim legal government of Siam.

The commander of the Indochinese destroyers contacts the leader of the US task force to help co-ordinate actions.

The commander of the Indochinese destroyers contacts the leader of the US task force to help co-ordinate actions.

a combined US/Australian/Indonchinese task force is combined under the command of Rear Admiral Rockwell, USN

Burgundy wishes to form an strong partnership with the nations of Belgium and the Netherlands, what is asked for is an economic union between these three countries.

the Dutch, looking at the international situation, basically give you a "we will get back to you if the war doesn't happen"

Argentina offers a Mutual Defense Pact to Chile, applicable only if a nation attacks Argentine or Chilean home soil. A similar pact is offered to Peru.

Feelers are also sent out about the possibility of Chile, Argentina, Peru, and Bolivia adopting a common currency, the South American Dollar, in order to facilitate trade. This currency could be controlled by a central bank in Santiago. Economic assistance to Peru is offered as an incentive, should they show reluctance.

Argentina offers a Mutual Defense Pact to Chile, applicable only if a nation attacks Argentine or Chilean home soil. A similar pact is offered to Peru.

Feelers are also sent out about the possibility of Chile, Argentina, Peru, and Bolivia adopting a common currency, the South American Dollar, in order to facilitate trade. This currency could be controlled by a central bank in Santiago. Economic assistance to Peru is offered as an incentive, should they show reluctance.

Chile is willing to consider it, but only if Argentina joins the Pan American Treaty. It also points out that its in the LTA and has very favorable trade relations with the United States, a relationship of considerable value to it.
Peru however is interested.

ooc
technically Chile is a pc nation, but no word from him in a while

On April 2, the US task force announces a blockade of Bangkok and the rest of Siam per orders of the interim legal government of Siam.
Prime Minister Pibulsonggram heatedly denounces the blockade as "an egregious and illegal infringement of Thai sovereignty by imperialist powers seeking any conceivable excuse to overthrow the native Thai's good government and replace it a parcel of lackeys and colonialist profiteers," while simultaneously announcing that "there was never any question but that the so-called 'confiscation' of Viet [OoC: that really is what he calls the Indochinese] property was simply a temporary measure undertaken to protect, and if there had been any doubt it can only have been due to foreign anti-government agitators and counter-revolutionaries," a group of whom are named and subsequently shot. The prime minister also "reiterates" (for the first time) the government's "iron policy to maintain peaceful relations with its neighbors, and not to involve itself in the wars of the imperialists."

Translation: The Thai junta will not step down and hold elections. They consider themselves to be the legitimate government. However they do return the previously nationalized Indochinese property (take the point back immediately), and will not enter the war on any side unless attacked.

In late April, Pibulsonggram is assassinated by his own bodyguards, and a quick succession of various rivals seize power, none for more than a few days, eventually resulting in a pro-democratic, anti-Japanese faction coming to power in mid-May under the prominent Socialist politician Pridi Phanomyong, who asks for a formal abdication from the king and schedules elections for a Constituent Assembly in November.

The USEA extends diplomatic relations to the new Thai government and recognizes it as the representative of the Thai people.

The USEA extends diplomatic relations to the new Thai government and recognizes it as the representative of the Thai people.
Acting Prime Minister Pridi gratefully accepts Indochinese recognition, and returns it, simultaneously offering his hopes that both states will be able to move swiftly past the tragic and unfortunate events of the previous two months in their new relations.

OoC: Technically, of course, it's not May until Monday, but I was jumping the gun myself. For those who care, I basically gave the military government a one in three chance of collapsing every turn that the blockade was in force - and their first roll was the worst possible.

Note that it will be a long time before the Thais trust Tokyo again, though they will, as ever, remain neutral unless attacked and will avoid being drawn into any alliances that might compel them to do otherwise.

USEA military units along the border are ordered to stand down and the blockade is relaxed by the Navy, though the ships still remain in the the gulf of Thailand.

OOC: I think we should just acclerate time so Monday is january 1940 and say that most of 1939 was full of hair trigger tensions as the crisis in china continued, otherwise we are going to get all out of sync.

The USEA contacts the Thai government and asks wether they would still like their railway extension built.
The USEA proposes that this construction be done free of charge in exchange for being able to ship war materials and other commodties to the USEA and China through it.
If agreed the construction would take place on schedule and be finished by 1941.

The USEA contacts the Thai government and asks wether they would still like their railway extension built.
The USEA proposes that this construction be done free of charge in exchange for being able to ship war materials and other commodties to the USEA and China through it.
If agreed the construction would take place on schedule and be finished by 1941.
They would still like it built, but really don't want to involve themselves in the war on one side or another (just because they don't trust the Japanese doesn't mean they don't fear them - and you, for that matter). Therefore Bangkok extends their hopes to resume discussions once peace is restored to Asia.

They would still like it built, but really don't want to involve themselves in the war on one side or another (just because they don't trust the Japanese doesn't mean they don't fear them - and you, for that matter). Therefore Bangkok extends their hopes to resume discussions once peace is restored to Asia.

OOC: We don't want them to join the war were just asking them if we can ship our stuff across their country. If they don't want even that however we will just have to and make them an offer they can't understand, bwhahhahah!

The Indian government asks that it's protectorate, Sikkim, and Bhutan hold votes on whether to join the Federated States of India. Nepal is also welcome to hold such a vote.

The Indian government asks that it's protectorate, Sikkim, and Bhutan hold votes on whether to join the Federated States of India. Nepal is also welcome to hold such a vote.
Oi, really preoccupied right now. How soon do you want an answer?

Oi, really preoccupied right now. How soon do you want an answer?

Errr, before 1942?

Errr, before 1942?
I can do that. Thanks for your patience.

The Indian government asks that it's protectorate, Sikkim, and Bhutan hold votes on whether to join the Federated States of India. Nepal is also welcome to hold such a vote.

The King of Nepal votes no, and as its an absolute monarchy, that is all the voting that occurs. Bhutan decides the same. Both nations have trade talks with Tibet and form a mutual assistance treaty.

The Sikhs however join in.

In other South Asian news, the Burmese start pressing for independence, while Ceylon quietly asks the British to stay (worried about India).

Postwar but not peace

In May of 1945, the stresses between the Turks and Greeks in eastern Turkey explodes into violence. The last LTA and UN occupation troops have returned home, and so have all of the POWs captured during the war. In Turkey there is substantial bitterness over the loss of all of their European territory, along with the rest of the MEU, but mostly the anger is over Greek domination of Turkish Thrace and the Aegean Coast. A sizeable Greek minority is still outnumbered by the Turkish majority in Istanbul (Constantinople according the Greeks) and along the Aegean coast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Greek_Zone_of_Occupation.png

Rioting begins in Constantinople when the Greek government announces the formal annexation of Thrace, and very quickly the Greeks are using tear gas and troops armed with clubs to beat back the crowds. Within days, gunfire can be heard in the ancient city. Meanwhile, Turkish militias and guerilla groups begin attacking the Greeks in Asian Turkey.

A diplomatic mission is dispatched to Burgundy to improve relations. (and to see what do theyu think of France).

(OOC:Aren't there any French nationals in Burgundy?)

The King of Nepal votes no, and as its an absolute monarchy, that is all the voting that occurs. Bhutan decides the same. Both nations have trade talks with Tibet and form a mutual assistance treaty.

The Sikhs however join in.

In other South Asian news, the Burmese start pressing for independence, while Ceylon quietly asks the British to stay (worried about India).

People from Sikkim aren't called Sikhs :D. I'm not sure WHAT they are called, but I know it's not Sikhs.

The South African government approaches the Portugese government, requesting permission to build a consulate in Lorenzo Marques (OOC: Maputo in modern Mozambique). South Africa wishes to establish ties with Portugal, given the colonies of the latter having such close proximity to South Africa.

I beleive people from Sikkim are called Sikkimese, at least that's what wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikkim) says about them, check out the demographics section.

Anyway GB. Any chance of you ruling on the readmission of India into the Commonwealth. Australia, South Africa and probably Britain will abstain and so I will require the NPC votes on whether to readmit India.

Britain will also now begin to make movements towards all it's colonies to assertain which ones would like independence and which desire to remain a part of the Empire. In those colonies which desire independence, British officials will be gradually replaced with local personnel and low level elections for local leaders will be implemented in line with total independence within 8 years.

OOC: Well, Burgundy is a mix of Germans, French, and Ex-Junkers who are too lazy to come back. I'm sure they like their position.

IC: Meanwhile, Germany approaches Burgundy, Belgium and the Netherlands. Dr. Eckener travels to each capital to apologise for atrocities committed by German troops during the war and promises peace for Western Europe. Hints of economic cooperation are made.

I beleive people from Sikkim are called Sikkimese, at least that's what wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikkim) says about them, check out the demographics section.

Anyway GB. Any chance of you ruling on the readmission of India into the Commonwealth. Australia, South Africa and probably Britain will abstain and so I will require the NPC votes on whether to readmit India.

Britain will also now begin to make movements towards all it's colonies to assertain which ones would like independence and which desire to remain a part of the Empire. In those colonies which desire independence, British officials will be gradually replaced with local personnel and low level elections for local leaders will be implemented in line with total independence within 8 years.

if Australasia, Britain and South Africa are abstaining or protesting, Canada will follow suit. Which means it won't be readmitted as the is pretty much the Commonwealth.

if Australasia, Britain and South Africa are abstaining or protesting, Canada will follow suit. Which means it won't be readmitted as the is pretty much the Commonwealth.

i was about to say--we pretty much are everybody with any sort of influence...

sucks for india though--screwed by the abstention...

Parthini']OOC: Well, Burgundy is a mix of Germans, French, and Ex-Junkers who are too lazy to come back. I'm sure they like their position.

IC: Meanwhile, Germany approaches Burgundy, Belgium and the Netherlands. Dr. Eckener travels to each capital to apologise for atrocities committed by German troops during the war and promises peace for Western Europe. Hints of economic cooperation are made.

Burgundy is willing to talk trade ties, but otherwise is cautious.

ooc
after all, the Germans invaded it twice in 15 years, but so did the French

Burmese leaders ask Britian for independence, however, the Kachins are less then thrilled about having the Burmese once again in charge.

i was about to say--we pretty much are everybody with any sort of influence...

sucks for india though--screwed by the abstention...

Heh heh heh heh heh...preventing the Indians from joining the west is not a good idea, no no no no no. The entire sub-continent is teeming with radicals who would take great pleasure in destroying the west. Once they see that the pro-westerners don't even have western support....


Heh heh heh heh heh...

The Head of the diplomatic mission also dines with distinguished French nationals who reside there. (And try to figure out the status of French nationals in Burgundy, especially those who have patriotic sentiments of returning Alsace-Lorraine back with France).

Heh heh heh heh heh...preventing the Indians from joining the west is not a good idea, no no no no no. The entire sub-continent is teeming with radicals who would take great pleasure in destroying the west. Once they see that the pro-westerners don't even have western support....


Heh heh heh heh heh...

well every history has to have its oops moments, even alternate ones. RL has the appeasment at Munich, maybe this will be the moment in E20.

Besides though, there are plenty of non-Commonwealth members that have close western ties. Membership doesnt have to be a rubber stamp or anything.

The Head of the diplomatic mission also dines with distinguished French nationals who reside there. (And try to figure out the status of French nationals in Burgundy, especially those who have patriotic sentiments of returning Alsace-Lorraine back with France).

ooc
A very small minority at this point. Before the war, Burgundy was thriving as its auto industry was exporting Volkswagons all over Europe, and economic policies were sound (avoiding the high taxes of the Socialists and state control of the Communists that the Pact had). In addition, a sizeable number of Burgundians are French or Germans who left France or Germany because of their leftist governments and being invaded twice by their former homelands severely soured their feelings of solidarity with their old homelands.

This is likely to eventually change, but probably not for a generation. The Dutch, Belgians and Burgundians are all highly suspecious of Germany and France at the moment. Although the Dutch aren't exceptionally pleased with the LTA either, as the LTA took over its colony in the Dutch East Indies (although a sizeable segment of the population looked on that as a good thing, as it got the Netherlands out of the Imperialism game except for some small islands in the Caribbean). US and British rebuilding of the Dutch and Belgian economies during and immediately after the war offset a lot of that feeling though.

Burmese leaders ask Britian for independence, however, the Kachins are less then thrilled about having the Burmese once again in charge.

Britain will work with Burmese leaders for independence in ~1947 with Burmese officials gradually replacing British ones and elections being prepared for. It is hoped that a newly independent Burma will join the Commonwealth of Nations and work together with other members to uphold democracy and representation in their governments and to work out differences fairly and peacefully. British troops and officials will remain in Burma long enough for a fair election to be staged and a homeland defence force and police force to be raised and adequately provided for. After independence British troops will remain only by invitation of the new Prime Minister of Burma.

Nearby, neighbouring, Asian nations are subtly and quietly informed that Burma is unofficially under British protection and any overtures to an annexation or occupation of Burma will not be taken lightly by the British people unless a fair referendum proves otherwise.

OOC: Britain wants to try to ensure fair representation in an election to avoid any possible revolution afterwards. It probably won't work and Burma will be subject to similar revolutions and military coups as in RL but it's worth a try. If Burma remains in the Commonwealth it will be easier to maintain democracy there and to ensure the nation's security.

In Turkey, the rioting explodes into full scale fighting between Turkish Militias and Greek troops along the Aegean Coast, and rioting continues in Thrace and spreads out of Constantinople into the surrounding country side.

Reports of atrocities on both sides including the large scale murder of civilians reach the world press.

In Turkey, the rioting explodes into full scale fighting between Turkish Militias and Greek troops along the Aegean Coast, and rioting continues in Thrace and spreads out of Constantinople into the surrounding country side.

Reports of atrocities on both sides including the large scale murder of civilians reach the world press.

Australia condemns this violence so soon after the most terrible war the world has seen. However, we look to our allies to determine a possible more unified response. ooc: if I could find the UN thread!

Britain will work with Burmese leaders for independence in ~1947 with Burmese officials gradually replacing British ones and elections being prepared for. It is hoped that a newly independent Burma will join the Commonwealth of Nations and work together with other members to uphold democracy and representation in their governments and to work out differences fairly and peacefully. British troops and officials will remain in Burma long enough for a fair election to be staged and a homeland defence force and police force to be raised and adequately provided for. After independence British troops will remain only by invitation of the new Prime Minister of Burma.

Nearby, neighbouring, Asian nations are subtly and quietly informed that Burma is unofficially under British protection and any overtures to an annexation or occupation of Burma will not be taken lightly by the British people unless a fair referendum proves otherwise.

OOC: Britain wants to try to ensure fair representation in an election to avoid any possible revolution afterwards. It probably won't work and Burma will be subject to similar revolutions and military coups as in RL but it's worth a try. If Burma remains in the Commonwealth it will be easier to maintain democracy there and to ensure the nation's security.


OOC: That last part is directed at me, isn't it? :D

Also, in case you guys didn't know, I have spent a good deal of money (3 points) to help fund Democratic Rebels in Nepal. This Absolute Monarchy thing is not going down well in India especially, where the majority of the population believes that the country that is 90% Hindu would join in the F.A.S. While they might not exactly be correct, they'd still rather that the Nepalese be democratic.

OOC: That last part is directed at me, isn't it? :D

Also, in case you guys didn't know, I have spent a good deal of money (3 points) to help fund Democratic Rebels in Nepal. This Absolute Monarchy thing is not going down well in India especially, where the majority of the population believes that the country that is 90% Hindu would join in the F.A.S. While they might not exactly be correct, they'd still rather that the Nepalese be democratic.

Actually I think it is directed at us both equally, that little strip of land on the Thai penisula annoys me greatly.....

The Kaiser sends a message to the Canadian ministry requestion permission for the Kaiser to visit Canada on a goodwill mission and to push for radification of the Daresalaam Treaty.

OOC: Basically, I want to have the Kaiser visit the Empire to reestablish ties with the Anglo world.

OOC: That last part is directed at me, isn't it? :D

Also, in case you guys didn't know, I have spent a good deal of money (3 points) to help fund Democratic Rebels in Nepal. This Absolute Monarchy thing is not going down well in India especially, where the majority of the population believes that the country that is 90% Hindu would join in the F.A.S. While they might not exactly be correct, they'd still rather that the Nepalese be democratic.

Nepal quickly picks up on Indian plans (remember, the Indian Army has Gurkha regiments in it). Shortly after, the Gurkha battalions leave Indian Army service and take up positions to tighten Nepal's border security. They tend to be loyal to the crown at this point.

The King of Syria would ask the Palestinians and Jordanians to drop their claims to the Golan Heights, which are rightfully Syrian.

(OOC: Palestine would not drop a claim to such a valuable area, especially if they are going extremist, but this way we can say we tried diplomacy. Jordan probably wouldn't be able to take it from us in a fight, but they're dirt poor, so its kind of up in the air I think)

The King of Syria would ask the Palestinians and Jordanians to drop their claims to the Golan Heights, which are rightfully Syrian.

(OOC: Palestine would not drop a claim to such a valuable area, especially if they are going extremist, but this way we can say we tried diplomacy. Jordan probably wouldn't be able to take it from us in a fight, but they're dirt poor, so its kind of up in the air I think)

Both governments drop their claims. However, at the end of August, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, oversees a revolt that topples the Palestinian government and he takes power, proclaiming his Supreme Moslem Council the new government and the insitution of strict Islamic law for the land.

Soon after that, he declares that Amman rightfully is part of Palestine, as are the Golan Heights and parts of Lebanon. It also becomes apparent that he is receiving some assistance from foreign sources. The exact nature of which is unclear.

Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni is appointed commander of the Palestinian Islamic Liberation Army.

Greeks versus Turks Summer and Fall 1945
The rioting explodes into a war.

The Turks have 10 light infantry divisions for offensive operations in Anatolia, with 2 militia units are in their capital and 2 militia units form in Istanbul (Constantinople).

The Greeks have 2 infantry corps in Anatolia, plus 1 in Constantinople and 2 others in Thrace. They are forced to mobilize, and 1 infantry corps stays at home but send 2 P51 units to Thrace and 2 Ta152 units to Smyrnia, and keep their airborne brigade and C47 force as a reserve. The small Greek Navy blockades the Turkish ports.

Fighting in Constantinople erupts into a desperate block by block, house by house affair. The Turks lose nearly 50,000 militia casualties but overwhelm and destroy the Greek infantry corps in the city, and drive the survivors plus 200,000 surviving Greek civilians out of the city. Nearly 100,000 Greek civilians and 150,000 Turkish civilians are dead or wounded, and much of the city is burning or in ruins. The Greeks counterattack with both of their corps in Thrace, and take the city back, losing another 50,000 casualties and smashing Turkish resistance, with another 100,000 Turkish civilians and militia dead or wounded in the fighting.

In Anatolia, the Turks and Greeks are content to launch patrol actions for now.

Huge deposits (15 resources worth) of oil are found in Saudi Arabia, while another 3 are found in Oman (in the UAE part). Foriegn investment will be needed to extract it however

ooc
1 production center for each country to represent the port facilities, pipelines, and other important infrastructure.

Tag for reference.

OOC: I'm wondering if there would be any use in investing in one of those places? Also, until I hear otherwise consider this a "shotgun" for investing first.

We could support the Omanis in an attempt to help out our Arab neighbors

OOC: In 1946, I have given an extra 4 points to the Pro-democracy, Pro-FAS rebels in Nepal. That brings it to a grand total of 7 points. Can I see what they have spent the points on? It was 3 points in 1945 and 4 in 1946, remember.

Parthini']OOC: I'm wondering if there would be any use in investing in one of those places? Also, until I hear otherwise consider this a "shotgun" for investing first.

OOC: Korea needs the oil too.....so we'll have a go .

IC:

Several Korean companies, mainly Hyundai and the Korean-Australian Chemical Company, approach the Saudi government about investing in oil extraction....

The South African government, realizing that oil will be necessary to maintain the industrial economy of the nation, approaches both the Saudis and Omanis with offers of investment in oil extraction.

the Saudi and Omani governments want to know how much (in points) that is being offered.

The big 7 oil companies (large multinationals all, and multinationals are now getting big enough to be considered practically NPC countries at this point) are willing to provide the capital as well.

ooc
Multinationals will be increasingly treated like NPC countries, as they frequently work to their own interest irrespective of the interests of the country they are based in. In other words, you can do deals with Exxon for example that the US doesn't approve of necessarily. A special listing will be created for them fairly soon.

the Saudi and Omani governments want to know how much (in points) that is being offered.

The big 7 oil companies (large multinationals all, and multinationals are now getting big enough to be considered practically NPC countries at this point) are willing to provide the capital as well.

ooc
Multinationals will be increasingly treated like NPC countries, as they frequently work to their own interest irrespective of the interests of the country they are based in. In other words, you can do deals with Exxon for example that the US doesn't approve of necessarily. A special listing will be created for them fairly soon.

This sounds good, will multinational companies be available for play be players?
Also will they get their income from building factories like the rest of us, but builds them in countries that agree to it?
And will we get to tax Multinational companies that set up in our countries?

This sounds good, will multinational companies be available for play be players?
Also will they get their income from building factories like the rest of us, but builds them in countries that agree to it?
And will we get to tax Multinational companies that set up in our countries?

taxing is built in already (for government income), but yes, certain Multinationals will be available for play, although not for a few more years. Remember, by the 1960s, some of these multinationals have bigger incomes then nearly all Third World nations.

OOC: In 1946, I have given an extra 4 points to the Pro-democracy, Pro-FAS rebels in Nepal. That brings it to a grand total of 7 points. Can I see what they have spent the points on? It was 3 points in 1945 and 4 in 1946, remember.

Just a reminder.

Nepal quickly picks up on Indian plans (remember, the Indian Army has Gurkha regiments in it). Shortly after, the Gurkha battalions leave Indian Army service and take up positions to tighten Nepal's border security. They tend to be loyal to the crown at this point.

The government of Nepal seizes any Indian investment directed toward opposition groups (the open spending) and makes a determined effort to secure the border. It has a small army, but can put together 3 light infantry divisions worth of troops from recalled Gurkha (those who saw service during the war and are at home) troops, as well as the troops who left Indian service and returned home.

OOC: In 1946, I have given an extra 4 points to the Pro-democracy, Pro-FAS rebels in Nepal. That brings it to a grand total of 7 points. Can I see what they have spent the points on? It was 3 points in 1945 and 4 in 1946, remember.

ooc
responded to 1945, and its not 1946 yet. What (or who) are you trying to spend those points on? Send me a TG explaining your goals and the steps you are prepared to take

Parthini']OOC: I'm wondering if there would be any use in investing in one of those places? Also, until I hear otherwise consider this a "shotgun" for investing first.

The Saudis are asking what your specific offer is?

Greeks versus Turks Summer and Fall 1945
The rioting explodes into a war.

The Turks have 10 light infantry divisions for offensive operations in Anatolia, with 2 militia units are in their capital and 2 militia units form in Istanbul (Constantinople).

The Greeks have 2 infantry corps in Anatolia, plus 1 in Constantinople and 2 others in Thrace. They are forced to mobilize, and 1 infantry corps stays at home but send 2 P51 units to Thrace and 2 Ta152 units to Smyrnia, and keep their airborne brigade and C47 force as a reserve. The small Greek Navy blockades the Turkish ports.

Fighting in Constantinople erupts into a desperate block by block, house by house affair. The Turks lose nearly 50,000 militia casualties but overwhelm and destroy the Greek infantry corps in the city, and drive the survivors plus 200,000 surviving Greek civilians out of the city. Nearly 100,000 Greek civilians and 150,000 Turkish civilians are dead or wounded, and much of the city is burning or in ruins. The Greeks counterattack with both of their corps in Thrace, and take the city back, losing another 50,000 casualties and smashing Turkish resistance, with another 100,000 Turkish civilians and militia dead or wounded in the fighting.

In Anatolia, the Turks and Greeks are content to launch patrol actions for now.

Turkish civilians begin fleeing across the Sea of Marmara on anything that will float. The US Navy sends a transport, as do the Ukranians to assist in the evacuation of the sick and wounded.

Meanwhile, the Turks manage to put together some artillery left over from the war and begin shelling the Greeks from across the Bosphorus and Dardenelles, and the Greeks return the favor and launch air strikes.

Meanwhile, in the Smyrna area, the Turks launch a series of attacks, using night assaults to avoid Greek air support. Fighting is heavy, and they gain some ground but suffer heavy losses, as do the Greeks. It becomes apparant that in a war of attrition the Turks have an advantage of manpower over the Greeks.

A few press reports surface indicating that Greeks and Turks are slaughtering one another in large numbers in rural areas, whereever one side has an advantage, the other side is driven out or murdered and buried in mass graves.

The UN calls for a Cease Fire. As neither side responds, the UN then refers the matter to the Security Council for the possibility of intervention.

Jean Monnet prime minister of the fourth Republic of France extends an invitation to Burgundy and Germany to attend a conference which is to be held in Geneva, Switzerland the aim of the conference is to discusss ways to promote economic cooperation between these states.

OOC:Hope to launch the European Coal and Steel Comunity

The Saudis are asking what your specific offer is?

So I take it Oman is fully taken?

Before I throw points around, I want to know what investing in oil does. I guess it gives me oil points for my army. But do I also get the Oil points? Also, how much would investing like 3 points in Saudi Arabia do? How much oil would be needed for how big of an army?

Parthini']So I take it Oman is fully taken?

Before I throw points around, I want to know what investing in oil does. I guess it gives me oil points for my army. But do I also get the Oil points? Also, how much would investing like 3 points in Saudi Arabia do? How much oil would be needed for how big of an army?

The explaination about oil points and military forces are at the start of the World War III thread in the rules there. In peacetime, as long as you have access to commerce, I am going to assume you can buy oil. At least for now. Investment simply makes you a preferred customer later on if a shortage arises. It buys good will essentially.

Oman chose to go with the Big 7 oil companies for reasons that will be apparent at a later date.

Jean Monnet prime minister of the fourth Republic of France extends an invitation to Burgundy and Germany to attend a conference which is to be held in Geneva, Switzerland the aim of the conference is to discusss ways to promote economic cooperation between these states.

OOC:Hope to launch the European Coal and Steel Comunity

Burgundy will attend

The explaination about oil points and military forces are at the start of the World War III thread in the rules there. In peacetime, as long as you have access to commerce, I am going to assume you can buy oil. At least for now. Investment simply makes you a preferred customer later on if a shortage arises. It buys good will essentially.

Oman chose to go with the Big 7 oil companies for reasons that will be apparent at a later date.

Ok, so if I had, for example, 40 Mechanized divisions, I would need one oil resource?

What about civilian use?

Also, do you need more oil if you have highly trained or elite units?

Lastly, I will probably invest 2 points in Saudi Arabia.

GB just a note:

When I gave Yemen, Oman, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates full independence back in the war I offered them membership of the Commonwealth of Nations. Have any of them taken me up on that offer? I will post the benefits/constitution on my new commonwealth thread once I find them again.

Nothing urgent, just a point of interest.

LR, could you check your TGs please :)

Also,

The German Empire wishes to invest two points into Saudi Arabia to extract oil.

GB just a note:

When I gave Yemen, Oman, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates full independence back in the war I offered them membership of the Commonwealth of Nations. Have any of them taken me up on that offer? I will post the benefits/constitution on my new commonwealth thread once I find them again.

Nothing urgent, just a point of interest.

Oman and Kuwait will join, the UAE is part of Oman (occupation during the war became permanent, although no one seems to mind)

Parthini']Also,

The German Empire wishes to invest two points into Saudi Arabia to extract oil.

The Saudis will take it, as it gives the big oil companies less leverage.

Nepal requests that its membership in the British Commonwealth be reexamined. Soon after, so does Bhutan.

France would also like to invite Belgium and te Netherlands to the Geneve conference

The South African government approaches the Portugese government, requesting permission to build a consulate in Lorenzo Marques (OOC: Maputo in modern Mozambique). South Africa wishes to establish ties with Portugal, given the colonies of the latter having such close proximity to South Africa.

The South African government restates its previous request.

Belgium and the Netherlands agree to go to Geneva

Portugal agrees to the South African request

SIC:
Jan Smuts orders a mission of Staatpolitie to the new consulate, to conduct "intelligence-gathering operations into the viability of national Mozambican resistance." Meetings with native intellectuals and politicians who oppose Portugese rule are also arranged, though numbers of such persons are expected to be low. Both endeavors are to be undertaken with the utmost possible secrecy.

SIC:
The Italian Government donates 12.5 of its surplus points for 1946 to Greece, to help out during these troubling times. Greece has taken many losses from the vile Turks, who are unjustly forcing the Greek out of territory that our ally Greece has a legitimate claim to.

SIC:
The Italian Government donates 12.5 of its surplus points for 1946 to Greece, to help out during these troubling times. Greece has taken many losses from the vile Turks, who are unjustly forcing the Greek out of territory that our ally Greece has a legitimate claim to.

Greece will use the aid as credits to purchase Italian made equipment to upgrade troops into mechanized troops and to pay its military maintenance.

Greece vs Turkey 1946
1945
The Greeks suffered 100,000 military casualties (including 30,000 dead) so far, along with another 20,000 civilian dead in Thrace and Smyrna and nearly 200,000 Greeks are refugees. The Turks have lost 150,000 military casualties (including 40,000 dead), another 50,000 Turkish civilians are dead, and 400,000 are refugees. Atrocities, including mass murder, have been committed by both sides. The UN has demanded a cease fire, which both sides honored for about 3 weeks during the Christmas season. The historic city of Constantinople is in ruins, and nearly 1 million Turks in Thrace and 1 million Greeks in Anatolia are in danger of dislocation.

Situation January / February 1946
The Greeks have 1 infantry corps in Thrace, 2 in the Smyrna area, and move in their reserves of 2 infantry corps and 1 garrison unit to Thrace to hold that area down. The Greek Navy is blockading the Turkish Mediterranean Coast, but a steady flow of supplies easily crosses into Turkey from the Black Sea. The Greeks move in a mechanized division to reinforce their forces in Anatolia, along with 2 fighter bomber wings. The Turks declare that to be a violation of the cease fire and on January 20 launch a winter offensive with 10 light infantry divisions against the 5 Greek divisions holding the line.

The Turks screen off 1 Greek infantry and 1 Greek mechanized infantry by launching probing attacks with 2 divisions while the remaining 8 launch an all out offensive backed by a pair of newly formed Katyushya rocket brigades and shatter the other Greek infantry division and then take the critical towns of Atdin and Odmis, threatening the Greek flank. The Greeks are forced to deploy their elite airborne brigade to shore up the front and it holds long enough for the mechanized division to break contact and reinforce the line. Strong Greek air support is also important, and the Turkish attack finally ends due to losses. The Greeks have suffered 10,000 casualties and the Turks 20,000 by the end of the battle. Nearly 100,000 Greek refugees are created as well after the fall of the two towns.

Unit losses:
1 Greek infantry division, 2 Turkish light infantry divisions

http://www.matiana.com.tr/map.html

Meanwhile, Greeks and Turks in Cyprus begin a series of murders and then start throwing bombs and grenades into each others stores, places of worship, and gatherings. Casualties quickly mount into the hundreds. The British Governor is forced to ask for even more reinforcements.

The British army will transfer 1 more infantry divisions to the area from Germany, and 2 from France. These divisions will be joined by the elite brigade of mechanised marines dispatched immediately from Portsmouth. The Naval contingent is also stepped up with three light missile cruisers (HMS Glasgow, HMS Edinburgh, HMS Falmouth), 20 destroyers and a fleet carrier battlegroup (HMS Vindictive) dispatched. It is hoped that peace can be regained in the area soon. The naval air wing is to be used to provide reconnaisance over Cyprus and the surrounding waters. The ships are to patrol the area for arms smugglers and provide a visible presence. The infantry are to maintain patrols of the island to put down violence, the marines are to provide reserve for quick reactions for hot spots of violence.

The British delegate to the UN will put in another mention of the situation to plead for peacekeepers for the region. Though it is hoped that British troops can maintain the peace in their own territory.

Colombia is considering sending its Atlantic Fleet to the area, with intentions of bringing two Mountain Regiments for Cyprus and a Mechanized Division for Greece. Additional Transportation is needed, as well as some support from other countries.

After careful consideration, Italia will send the 1º Flotta to the Sea of Mamara to help patrol the waters and prevent Turkish weapon smuggling. With the help of the Gran Colombian Atlantic Fleet, we may be able to blockade the Black Sea, the Turks' main source of weapon smuggling.

The 1º Flotta includes:
3 Heavy Missile Cruisers: Trento, Trieste, Bolzano
3 Light Cruisers: Alberico da Barbiano, Armando Diaz, Luigi Savoia Duca delgi Abruzzi
15 Destroyers

After careful consideration, Italia will send the 1º Flotta to the Sea of Mamara to help patrol the waters and prevent Turkish weapon smuggling. With the help of the Gran Colombian Atlantic Fleet, we may be able to blockade the Black Sea, the Turks' main source of weapon smuggling.

The 1º Flotta includes:
3 Heavy Missile Cruisers: Trento, Trieste, Bolzano
3 Light Cruisers: Alberico da Barbiano, Armando Diaz, Luigi Savoia Duca delgi Abruzzi
15 Destroyers

Dismayed by the Italians and Colombians siding with the Greek oppressors, the Turks load a few leftover mines aboard fishing trawlers and release them in the Dardenelles. On February 15, the Italian light cruiser Armando Diaz finds one the hard way, and rolls over and sinks with heavy loss of life.

By the end of February the Turks have managed to acquire sufficient aircraft (and repair the ones scattered around the country left over from the Third World War) to put together 2 Fighter wings, 1 with TA183 jet fighters, the other with TA152 fighter bombers.

Greek and Turkish aircraft begin fighting in the skies above Anatolia.

If the United Kingdom wishes, South Africa will deploy the 6th Mountain Brigade to Cyrpus to assist in peace-keeping operations there.

The Federation of Arab States believes that the Turkish people have few enough friends in the world, and them being occupied once again by westerners under the guise of 'peacekeepers' will not help the problem. Therefore, the F.A.S proposes that a United Nations Peacekeeping mission, with soldiers from all over the world, be created to solve this problem, and we will personally be willing to send up to 4 light infantry divisions. India is also willing to let there be peace talks on Indian soil as soon as both parties come to their senses.

The Federation of Arab States believes that the Turkish people have few enough friends in the world, and them being occupied once again by westerners under the guise of 'peacekeepers' will not help the problem. Therefore, the F.A.S proposes that a United Nations Peacekeeping mission, with soldiers from all over the world, be created to solve this problem, and we will personally be willing to send up to 4 light infantry divisions. India is also willing to let there be peace talks on Indian soil as soon as both parties come to their senses.

Greece is not willing to participate in talks in the Federation of Arab States (or the Federation of ASIAN States which is what you probably meant to say). It is willing to conduct talks in Ireland at the UN, as is Turkey (which was willing to have talks in India).

The Turks secretly approach the FAS for help, hoping that fellow Moslems will help them liberate their national territory.

GB: Portugal seems to be an important country which needs a player (the colony issue). What is its status?

ooc
time and distance factors for intervention in Turkey and Cyprus.
Nations located in the Med can deploy forces to Cyprus and Turkey by the end of February, elsewhere in Europe and South Africa, troops will not reach the area until the end of March, and outside of Europe and South Africa, troops don't reach the area until the end of April

Mostly because it takes time to prepare to move, to load, to move, and to unload and then to move into positions. Even for air tranportable forces.

Warships show up 2 weeks earlier then ground troops (which is why the Italians have reached the Sea of Marmara already).

Colombia did not agree to blockade Turkish Ports, but is there to begin setting up operations to protect Turkish and Greek civillians, and eventually bring an end to the fighting in the area. We are not taking sides.

OOC: What ever happened to delivering weapons to both sides?

IC: Chancellor Rommel calls for the end of hostilities between the Turkish and Greek people, calling for a peaceful assembly in Hamburg, citing a long friendship with the Turks, and a strong relationship with Greece's British allies.

As news of the tragic fate of the Armando Diaz reaches Italian shores, a large majority of the Italian people are outraged and cry for revenge. While the government would like to avoid war so soon after the previous one, they have no choice as the Turks have committed an Act of War upon the Italian State. The Italian government issues a formal Declaration of War against Turkey and the Italian military is mobilized.

The Italians contact Greece to ask permission to rebase several Fighter Wings in Greek Airbases.

(OOC: GB, please let me know what Turkey has so I can decide what to send besides the ships already there)

China may be able to contribute 2 infantry corps towards the UN peace-keeping effort, but we do not have troop transports available to transfer these 2 infantry corps. If an UN nation is willing to offer the troop transports needed to deliver the 2 infantry corps, we would be eternally grateful.

In March, the Turks launch another offensive, hoping to win the war before the UN can intervene and prevent them from doing so. Large scale riots and demonstrations break out in the Turkish communities in Thrace, tying down the Greek Army and preventing it from sending in reinforcements.

The Turkish Air Force drives the Greek Air Force out of the skies over Smyrna briefly (as the Greeks are still converting 2 fighter wings into TA183D wings). The Turks manage to scrape up enough mines to drop a few in Smyrna harbor and the Dardenelles, forcing the Italians to commit their minesweepers to clear passeges.

The Greeks react harshly, using deadly force, including fireing machine guns into crowds to surpress riots in Thrace. News of this quickly gets out, and the Moslem nations of Algeria, Morocco, Eygpt, the various Arabian nations and some of the European and Latin American nations protest loudly in the UN.

While all of this is going on, the Turks launch another series of attacks, destroying the Greek airborne brigade and forcing a Greek retreat to Smyrna itself. With the retreat is a massive flight of Greek refugees, nearly 500,000 in all.

Turkey also launches a diplomatic offensive, offering to pay damages to Italy for the accidental sinking of the Italian cruiser. Meanwhile, the Italians move aircraft to the Greek Islands and begin to contest the skies over the Aegean.

If the UN decides to dispatch peacekeepers Britain will gladly provide transport for Chinese troops to the area.

The British government thanks her allies in South Africa for their offer of assistance and will welcome the 6th Mountain Brigade to Cyprus. The British government also offers the useage of her transport vessels to the South African Brigadier.

Greece is not willing to participate in talks in the Federation of Arab States (or the Federation of ASIAN States which is what you probably meant to say). It is willing to conduct talks in Ireland at the UN, as is Turkey (which was willing to have talks in India).

The Turks secretly approach the FAS for help, hoping that fellow Moslems will help them liberate their national territory.

OOC: Sorry for the typo ><.

While the official government stance of the Federated States is sympathetic to the Turkish cause, the government is not willing to use any force to take sides. The F.A.S will, however, support Turkey in other ways, including at the peace conferences, as well as giving aid during the post-war years.

It should be noted that Italia did not wish to enter another war so soon after World War 3, as we were not prepared for one (by dismantling most of our military). However, Turkey has forced our hand by attacking one of our historic ships, the Armando Diaz (and I would hardly call it accidental), when its presence in the Sea of Marmara was only to patrol and prevent weapon smuggling. Italia will not sit back and watch as our brave sailors are attacked without cause. We do not support the mass-murder of civilians, but the Turks have done it just as much.

With that said, the Italian government will back down under the following terms:
- The Turks pay the Italian government for the loss of the Armando Diaz
- The Turks pay reparations to the families of those who lost their lives aboard the Armando Diaz
- A cease fire is called between Greece and Turkey
- Greece is given back all land that Turkey has seized since the beginning of this conflict
- All Greek refugees are permitted to return to their homes

These terms are non-negotiable. Once these terms are met, and signed by the Secretary General of the UN and the Turkish Government, Italia will withdraw its troops that are already on the way to Smyrna.

It should be noted that Italia did not wish to enter another war so soon after World War 3, as we were not prepared for one (by dismantling most of our military). However, Turkey has forced our hand by attacking one of our historic ships, the Armando Diaz (and I would hardly call it accidental), when its presence in the Sea of Marmara was only to patrol and prevent weapon smuggling. Italia will not sit back and watch as our brave sailors are attacked without cause. We do not support the mass-murder of civilians, but the Turks have done it just as much.

With that said, the Italian government will back down under the following terms:
- The Turks pay the Italian government for the loss of the Armando Diaz
- The Turks pay reparations to the families of those who lost their lives aboard the Armando Diaz
- A cease fire is called between Greece and Turkey
- Greece is given back all land that Turkey has seized since the beginning of this conflict
- All Greek refugees are permitted to return to their homes

These terms are non-negotiable. Once these terms are met, and signed by the Secretary General of the UN and the Turkish Government, Italia will withdraw its troops that are already on the way to Smyrna.

The Turks agree to the first two conditions, but will only agree to the the third under the following conditions.

Greek soldiers and police cease murdering Turkish civilians in Thrace, and the Greeks agree to allow all Turkish civilians in Thrace to immigrate to Anatolia, and in exchange, the Turkish government will allow all Greek civilians living in Anatolia to move to Thrace (a population exchange).

The Turkish Ambassador provides a small mountain of documentary evidence showing Greek crimes against Turkish civilians. Turkey also asks what about its territory that Greece seized in Thrace, where Turkish people have lived since the 15th Century?

Turkey also points out that the Italian warship was patrolling to prevent weapons being smuggled in so that Turkish civilians could defend themselves against mass murder, and asks pointedly where Italy has any morale high ground in this matter?

ooc
Historically what actually happened in 1925 was that the Greeks were literally driven into the sea and forced to evacuate Thrace and Anatolia, and that both sides committed atrocities on a wide scale. So far in this RP the Turks have been pretty formidable against the Greeks, and have an advantage in Anatolia at the moment which they are pressing. Both sides truthfully are right and very wrong. Welcome to the complexities of ethnic conflict.

The Kingdom of Syria would like to offer the following nations to sign the Arab Cooperation Pact with Syria:


Jordan
Saudi Arabia
Eastern Arabia
Basra
Kurdistan
Oman
Yemen
Kuwait
(theres some other country in RL Iraq whose name eludes me at the moment, but them too)


This pact would consist of Free Trade agreements and increased ease of travel for pilgrims both going to and returning from Mecca (protecting them from being extorted, etc.) With possible additions to be made later, with signatory consent)

(OOC: Since making nations tremble in their boots at the mention of Syria isn't expected to happen anytime soon, especially when nations can give more aid than my national budget, I'm just going to quietly build up power behind the scenes. Palestine was supposed to be the only nation excluded, because of their radical turn, so if I forgot anyone in the area (except Turkey, FAS, and Egypt) pretend I invited them as well.

The Kingdom of Syria would like to offer the following nations to sign the Arab Cooperation Pact with Syria:


Jordan
Saudi Arabia
Eastern Arabia
Basra
Kurdistan
Oman
Yemen
Kuwait
(theres some other country in RL Iraq whose name eludes me at the moment, but them too)



This pact would consist of Free Trade agreements and increased ease of travel for pilgrims both going to and returning from Mecca (protecting them from being extorted, etc.) With possible additions to be made later, with signatory consent)

(OOC: Since making nations tremble in their boots at the mention of Syria isn't expected to happen anytime soon, especially when nations can give more aid than my national budget, I'm just going to quietly build up power behind the scenes. Palestine was supposed to be the only nation excluded, because of their radical turn, so if I forgot anyone in the area (except Turkey, FAS, and Egypt) pretend I invited them as well.

Baghdad is the name of the country, methinks.

A German representative at the peace talks agrees with the Italian plan, but wishes to present one last point. He suggests making the Historic city of Constantinople, a city once full of Greek and Turkish artistic, cultural, economic and strategic importance, me made into a Free City for use by both Turkish and Greek citizens. Such a plan would be fair to both sides and allow the Bosphorous, a strait useful to a great deal of people, to return to a center of peace, not war.

OOC: How are things in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) in regards to the attitudes of the white settlers?

Parthini']A German representative at the peace talks agrees with the Italian plan, but wishes to present one last point. He suggests making the Historic city of Constantinople, a city once full of Greek and Turkish artistic, cultural, economic and strategic importance, me made into a Free City for use by both Turkish and Greek citizens. Such a plan would be fair to both sides and allow the Bosphorous, a strait useful to a great deal of people, to return to a center of peace, not war.

Turkey agrees to the UN cease fire. The situation is as follows around Smyrna (modern Izmer). The Greeks hold about a 20 mile perimeter around the city, while the Turks hold the hills overlooking the city and have artillery that can reach the harbor. The Turks inform the UN that it will honor the cease fire while the the American Resolution is debated. However, if additional military forces reinforce the city or attempt to, or combat operations are directed at Turkey, it will continue the war to be on again.

The Greeks do not like the American proposal, but accept the cease fire in hopes that Italian troops arrive in time

OOC: How are things in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) in regards to the attitudes of the white settlers?

very positive as the US, South Africa and Great Britian spent tens of millions of dollars to industralize Rhodesia during the build up to the 3rd Great War and during the war. The South African government and Americans spent millions to provide running water, electricity and phone service to rural villages, as well as clinics, hospitals, schools etc.

In short, the Blacks don't have a lot of complaints at the moment because many have decent jobs and a good social safety net.

The US spent literally billions (in 1945 money no less) on Africa and it is paying off for the Anglo Americans and the South Africans.

Parthini']A German representative at the peace talks agrees with the Italian plan, but wishes to present one last point. He suggests making the Historic city of Constantinople, a city once full of Greek and Turkish artistic, cultural, economic and strategic importance, me made into a Free City for use by both Turkish and Greek citizens. Such a plan would be fair to both sides and allow the Bosphorous, a strait useful to a great deal of people, to return to a center of peace, not war.

the Greeks and Turks both hate this idea (ooc which means it has merit, but since when has that been a decisive element in world affairs).

The Kingdom of Syria would like to offer the following nations to sign the Arab Cooperation Pact with Syria:


Jordan
Saudi Arabia
Eastern Arabia
Basra
Kurdistan
Oman
Yemen
Kuwait
(theres some other country in RL Iraq whose name eludes me at the moment, but them too)


This pact would consist of Free Trade agreements and increased ease of travel for pilgrims both going to and returning from Mecca (protecting them from being extorted, etc.) With possible additions to be made later, with signatory consent)

(OOC: Since making nations tremble in their boots at the mention of Syria isn't expected to happen anytime soon, especially when nations can give more aid than my national budget, I'm just going to quietly build up power behind the scenes. Palestine was supposed to be the only nation excluded, because of their radical turn, so if I forgot anyone in the area (except Turkey, FAS, and Egypt) pretend I invited them as well.

Baghdad (basically Sunni Iraq) is the other. Everyone is in favor of the idea at the moment, and several nations recommend calling it the Arab League (ooc so the referee can use mental shorthand). Egypt, Morocco, and Algeria express interest as well.

Secret IC:

China begins efforts into establishing pro-Chinese elements in Mongolia with the eventual goal of the incorporation of Mongolia as a state of the Sovereign Republic of China (very much like California, Texas, Florida, etc. are states of the USA) in which Mongolia retains nearly all self-governance, but lends economic, military, and technological support to China as a whole.

Efforts and propganda are also taken to reinforce the belief that Mongolia would be best served if they became a state. Some propganda include highlighting Chinese efforts into rebuilding Mongolia, the promise of military defense of Mongolians, and promises of future projects such as rural electrification and roadbuilding to bring Mongolia even closer together.

A similiar plan is being contemplated for Tibet especially with the promise of Chinese investment and development of Tibetian oil, and promises of improving the Tibetian living standards, excellent military protection aganist external threats, and opening up lots of trade with China, Manchuria, Mongolia, Taiwan, and Hainan Dao.

Secret IC:

China begins efforts into establishing pro-Chinese elements in Mongolia with the eventual goal of the incorporation of Mongolia as a state of the Sovereign Republic of China (very much like California, Texas, Florida, etc. are states of the USA) in which Mongolia retains nearly all self-governance, but lends economic, military, and technological support to China as a whole.

Efforts and propganda are also taken to reinforce the belief that Mongolia would be best served if they became a state. Some propganda include highlighting Chinese efforts into rebuilding Mongolia, the promise of military defense of Mongolians, and promises of future projects such as rural electrification and roadbuilding to bring Mongolia even closer together.

A similiar plan is being contemplated for Tibet especially with the promise of Chinese investment and development of Tibetian oil, and promises of improving the Tibetian living standards, excellent military protection aganist external threats, and opening up lots of trade with China, Manchuria, Mongolia, Taiwan, and Hainan Dao.


Wait; is Tibet an independent country? Because I thought it was, but I checked the economy thread and it wasn't there...

If it is, though, expect India to be paying the Tibetans to not join China. After all, Tibet makes for such a wonderful little buffer state...

Wait; is Tibet an independent country? Because I thought it was, but I checked the economy thread and it wasn't there...

If it is, though, expect India to be paying the Tibetans to not join China. After all, Tibet makes for such a wonderful little buffer state...

Tibet is independent, but up until this year its economy was negligible. That will change once it is able to start producing and exporting oil.

Tibet is independent, but up until this year its economy was negligible. That will change once it is able to start producing and exporting oil.

Sweet.

IC:

Official Statement by the Federation of Asian States
In order to help our Asian neighbors grow, the Indian Government has allocated a large amount of funds (5 points) for the Tibetan government to use at it wishes. While the Indian government recommends using it for Social Services, we leave the decision to the Tibetan authorities. We demand nothing in return; we only wish to see Asia develop into a strong, might continent.

Wait; is Tibet an independent country? Because I thought it was, but I checked the economy thread and it wasn't there...

If it is, though, expect India to be paying the Tibetans to not join China. After all, Tibet makes for such a wonderful little buffer state...

Actually, hate to be a bother but at this point in time, India doesn't know anything about Chinese plans for Tibet. India doesn't have the intelligence services capacity to discover this yet, and this plan has yet to be put in place. Right now the focus is on Mongolia, not Tibet.

ooc: And shouldn't you be rebuilding?

Actually, hate to be a bother but at this point in time, India doesn't know anything about Chinese plans for Tibet. India doesn't have the intelligence services capacity to discover this yet, and this plan has yet to be put in place. Right now the focus is on Mongolia, not Tibet.

Intelligence wise he could probably figure out part of it, but the problem with India helping Tibet is access... even aircraft can't get over the high Himalayas to Tibet easily at this point (they do average 20,0000 feet), especially during winter (and its still only March... winter in the Himalayas). So no real aid from India to Tibet until summer (occ tomorrow)

ooc: And shouldn't you be rebuilding?

I've already surpassed my pre-war economy by 40 points :D.

Also, Sharina, I was planning to influence Tibet anyhoo. I really, really, really like there being a buffer state between China and India. Even though we are allies at the moment (we're both members of the Seoul Conference Treaty, no?), when two big nations border each other conflict almost always occurs somewhere down the line. If you look back even when we were planning the aftermath of the war, I stated that I was a firm supporter of Sinkiang being free and Tibet being free as well.

Turkey agrees to the UN cease fire. The situation is as follows around Smyrna (modern Izmer). The Greeks hold about a 20 mile perimeter around the city, while the Turks hold the hills overlooking the city and have artillery that can reach the harbor. The Turks inform the UN that it will honor the cease fire while the the American Resolution is debated. However, if additional military forces reinforce the city or attempt to, or combat operations are directed at Turkey, it will continue the war to be on again.

The Greeks do not like the American proposal, but accept the cease fire in hopes that Italian troops arrive in time

under pressure from the UN and much of the world, the Greeks accept the cease fire and relocation agreement. 2 Chinese infantry corps unload in Thrace and take up positions to protect Turkish refugees, while a Irish light infantry division, Canadian airborne brigade, and Egyptian infantry division take up positions around Smyrna. The Greeks withdraw their troops from the area. Over the next 2 months, American troop transports evacuate the million Turks from Thrace, while Italian and British transports evacuate the Greeks from Anatolia.

It is a human tragedy, but it prevents a worse one. Over the next few months the UN Commissioner for Refugees will determine that 200,000 Turks and 100,000 Greeks were the victims of mass murder, while another 100,000 Greeks and 100,000 Turks were simply killed in the fighting or disappeared and have not been found. Greek settlements dating back to 1000 BC are abandoned along the shores of the Aegean in Turkey, while Turkish settlements dating back to the fall of Constantinople in 1453 are abandoned in Thrace.

The World Bank and UN spend 5 points on the evacuation effort in all.

Greece pulls out of the LTA and a right wing government takes power, essentially making the crown a puppet. Turkey however holds elections and its first democratically elected President since the collapse of the MEU takes power.

OOC: What was the population and military of Austria and how many points did it have?

Parthini']OOC: What was the population and military of Austria and how many points did it have?

Austria population 1945 is 6.8 million, it has 3 production centers in Vienna, no other points or resources. No air force of note (some trainers and few transport aircraft, a a couple dozen fighters, but not enough for a unit), 1 alpine infantry brigade, 2 reserve alpine infantry brigades, 2 reserve infantry divisions

Syria would accept Morrocan, Algerian, and Egyptian membership, and propose the idea of having the League meet every year in a different member's capitol, beginning this year with Damascus, followed by Medina and Baghdad in the coming years.

(not like this needs to be brought up every year, but it will provide an opportunity to voice whatever issues exist)

Egypt's now player-controlled (me) but I need to know it's current economy, military, etc.

Egypt's now player-controlled (me) but I need to know it's current economy, military, etc.

Republic of Egypt (includes UN mandate of Sudan)
Population 22 million, tech level 6
Production centers: Alexandria 3, plus 2 points for Suez Canal, plus 1 resource point Sudan,
1944 spending: level 1 social service spending, 2 garrison units, 1 expert pilot, 1 Vampire jet fighter, 1 light ship unit (20 corvettes)

Thanks.

Thanks.

1945 and 46 spending was handled for Egypt as an NPC

for 1947, Egypt has managed sufficient growth to have 1 production center for Cairo, as well as the ones for Alexandria. In addition, in 1947, the US Government will spend 48 points to build another production center for Egypt (in Cairo) plus the Aswan dam (which essentially adds another production center for Egypt).