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This thread is for any and all OOC comments on Holy Xirnium that do not properly belong in other threads.

Southeastasia, I'm looking at you here.

Anyway, I guess you can come here for OOC comments on how the High Ecclesiarchy ICly views your nation also.

OOC: I'm not saying that my nation is perfect. And BTW, do you plan on sending any Inquisitors down there?

OOC: I'm not saying that my nation is perfect. And BTW, do you plan on sending any Inquisitors down there?

OCC: You can assume that there are already Inquisitors operating in your nation, unless you aren't happy with that. The only nations that might not have Inquisition agents operating in them are totalitarian states with closed borders that make it hard to insert agents disguised as tourists or what have you.

Even so, if the priority is high enough the Inquisition will make an effort to penetrate the nation in question despite its formidible counter-espionage operations. For example, there are dozens of Inquisitors currently operating in Kraven, many attempting to link up with the local resistance there.

Anyway, if you don't mind I propose this:

The permament Inquisitiors assigned to your nation are:

Lord Inquisitor Jaster (Chief of operations for Southeast Asia)
Lord Inquisitor Herbet
Lady Inquisitor Mertha

Their current assignment is passive intelligence gathering. In other words, they are merely to live in your nation without attracting any attention, and keep an eye on the political situation there, but do nothing else. This is the default task of Inquisitors in foreign countries.

Who are the Xirnium agents in Amestria (just interested)?

He just said lol, I think however it'll be quite impossible to get Inquisitors into my nation though we're friends ICly anyway so it isn't really an issue.

Who are the Xirnium agents in Amestria (just interested)?

Lord Inquisitor Palantir
Lady Inquisitor Valanda
Lady Inquisitor Threnduila
Lord Inquisitor Umarth
Lady Inquisitor Vaire

They currently have precisely the same mandate as the Inquisitors operating in Southeast Asia, which is basically to avoid arousing suspicion and remain as a sleeper cell, all the while gathering intelligence. They were also asked to discretly look into the history of a certain Minister of Defense Sara Liscel, their findings from that investigation are classified.

Since the period of cool relations between Amestria seems to be ending Inquisitors are being recalled and the number stationed there is planned to be decreased further.

He just said lol, I think however it'll be quite impossible to get Inquisitors into my nation though we're friends ICly anyway so it isn't really an issue.

I agree that it would be difficult, as foreigners aren’t even allowed into Novacom from my understanding. I suppose if the Inquisition really wanted to it could, I suspect with their resources and capabilities they can get almost anywhere, but out of respect for our strong alliance the Inquisition would not wish to anyway.

Xirniumite Inquisitors vs. Freek Sentinels in a fair fight....who wins?

Well what you are asking is an opinion, but I'll give you mine for what it's worth. Let me review the details on the Sentinels and I'll respond with my answer very soon.

My opinion: don't place any bets. Because something tells me that it's going to be very interesting....

Throw Sardukar into the mix and you've got the fight of a century.

Why are they interested in Sara Liscel and why is it classified?

Anyway, Liscel is the younger sister of PM, Estate owner and Centralist Party Leader Kasumi and the daughter of President Charles Fredrick Liscel, the President who ruled over a one party state for about 20 years before being ousted by elections and protests. He is a controversial figure who liberalized the economy, expanded the military, preserved the Amestrian cradle to grave welfare state, and cracked down upon all regional organizations (there are regional tensions in Amestria's outskirts).

Kasumi Liscel is the Current leader of the Centralist Party who is running for the office of President (and expected to win due to Torontia and unhappiness over the Socialist Parties economic agenda). She has an uneven reputation and is quite controversial, partly due to her positions concerning labor reforms and regional governments. She served briefly as an officer in the Amestrian Military, tasked with putting down domestic disturbances.

Kasumi is odd, cold, and a bit eccentric (the whole Liscel family has a history of being brilliant but weird), the rumors of her mental instability are pretty much the products of the parties opposing her. She is quite tough and viewed as a strong figure who will carry out necessary reforms and insure victory overseas. (She also advocates closer relations with Yallak and Yallak’s allies, though she personally does not think highly of Xirnium, she is interested in improving relations.)

Sara (Doctor Liscel) is rather extroverted, warmer, and more easy going. It is a public secret among certain circles that Sara (when 14) seduced her older sister. Since then they have been on and off lovers... (Both sisters are said to possess a certain predatory nature) If Kasumi wins, the Parliamentary and Presidential elections Sara will move up the civil service ladder (besides her current job she at times teaches at Amestria City University)...

(Both are Atheists and advocates of Amestrian existentialist/social contract/absurdist philosophy, which is way too complicated to get into now.)

Xirniumite Inquisitors vs. Freek Sentinels in a fair fight....who wins?

Okay, I’ll compare different areas. Apologies in advance if anyone finds this biased, but the Inquisitors are my creation and I have a certain soft spot for them. Let me just say this is only my opinion, others may entirely disagree with me.

Endurance:
An Inquisitor can remain in the field in full combat conditions, constantly in a state of high exertion, without even the need for sleep for weeks on end with little significant reduction in their capabilities. They can do this because their trained mental abilities allow full control over all autoregulatory and involuntary functions of the body. For example, their abilities to directly control their internal biochemistry allow them to consciously manipulate their metabolism so that they can survive extremes of hunger and thirst, requiring little sustenance (levels that would easily kill any human). Their control over the electrical impulses of their brain allow them to “rest” different sectors at different times and make up for the need to sleep.

A Sentinel has excellent endurance, but it is not remotely comparable to this.

Awareness:
An Inquisitor has extreme perceptive qualities as a result of their arduous training in the ancient mental and psychological methods of the Inquisition. Upon entering a room they will instantly notice the most minute of details (for example, the titles and authors printed on the spine of every book on a shelf), and due to their perfect memories they will remember everything they notice. The smallest air currents, temperature and pressure variations and sounds are all perceptible to an Inquisitor. Consequently their reflexes and reaction time are unrivalled, I believe they could easily beat a Sentinel in this area.

Intelligence:
An Inquisitor’s entire training revolves around developing superhuman mental abilities. In my opinion they are far more intelligent then Sentinels, or you and I. They have exceptional cognitive abilities which are the foundations for supra-logical hypothesising. They can sift large volumes of data and devise concise and logical analyses to problems. An Inquisitor can mentally do mathematical problems that one would normally need a computer to do.

Strength:
The final, and perhaps most important part of a “fair fight”. There is no doubting that Sentinels are extremely strong, as they have genetic impurities sifted out of them and undergo harsh physical training. Inquisitors by contrast are normal humans, at least originally, and are not trained from birth like the Sentinels. However, they do also undergo extreme physical conditioning, in the ancient ways of the Inquisiton. The fighting style Inquisitors learn is designed to be utterly ruthless and to kill as efficiently as possible. Therefore, Inquisitors are unsuited in combat when lethal force is not desired.

One must also factor in their mental capabilities in any strength comparison. The Inquisitors' control of their own biochemistry allows them to flood their blood stream with adrenaline and glucose when the Inquisitor feels the time has come for extreme physical exertion. Also, consider that an Inquisitor has full and total control over their entire muscular-nervature system. For example, they can control every single muscle in their bodies, they could even stop their own heart beating on command if they needed to. This precise control of the muscles and nerves in their bodies allows them to deliver a devastatingly powerful and fast blow to an opponent. A single open-palmed strike by an Inquisitor to the main torso will send an athletic adult flying across a room, and may kill him. Their total muscle-nerve also allows them to block out any pain.

In my opinion, an Inquisitor is stronger then a Sentinel, even stronger then a Saraduakar, and certainly quicker, but this is only my opinion.

Anyway, that’s my analysis, not surprisingly the Inquisitor easily won in all fields whether against a Sentinel or Saradaukar. ;) In my defence though, I’d like to point out that Inquisitors are not used in armies, as Sentinels and Saradaukar are, they are all individual characters. Basically, they don't fight wars. Also the extensive training that they must undergo coupled with the fact that only the best of aspirants ever even attempt the training (and even less complete it) mean that the numbers of Inquisitors are not great. I’ve never even seen two together in any one roleplay.

Why are they interested in Sara Liscel and why is it classified?

They were asked by then Rear Admiral Patritsia to look into her history following Patritsia's encounter with her in a weapons test in Saint Fedski. The information is classified because everything gathered by the Inquisition is classified.

They are not particularly interested in her, given her minor position in Amestrian politics (notwithstanding her family connections), and the investigation into her has been completed.

I can't say, because a Sentinel v. Inquistor fight would be pretty damn interesting. But another NS legend has returned Xirnium. Sniper Country. According to the legends, the Christian Senatoriat (now Confederacy) of Sniper Country has the cream-of-the-crop, elite, world-class commando teams. You have heard of one Xirnium: a SC soldier took down an Apache Longbow attack helicopter with a tactical shotgun.

Next round:

Sniper Country Commando Team vs. Inquisitor legion in Apache Longbows

imagining a fight between Black SKull Enforcers Halo Force Inquisitprs Blood Guard and all sorts of nasty covert ops/elite troops would certainly be a sight to behold.

Yeah, I agree what we need is battle royale, "last man standing wins" deathmatch, lol.

There is a legend of a Inquisitor v Inquisitor battle from the end of WWII, which actually occured in the Imperial Palace of the God-Emperor. Both Inquisitors tore up several wings of the Hallowed Palace during the short period of fighting, wielding all manner of heavy weapons against each other.

self-righteous
I'm not a self-righteous bastard, like you seem to think I am Xirnium.

I'm not a self-righteous bastard, like you seem to think I am Xirnium.

I did not say that I think you were a "self-righteous bastard", I said the High Ecclesiarchy thinks that the Southeast Asian executive government is self-righteous.

It's a pity you killed off your God Emporer, he smmed like such an interesting idea, but the potential it's opning now is unexpected to say the least.

The future is one soaked in blood that much is certain, and Admiral Kukonois' latest scheme is comming to fruition.

It's a pity you killed off your God Emporer, he smmed like such an interesting idea, but the potential it's opning now is unexpected to say the least.


Yeah, but Quikzos IV was crazy. The only way the previous God-Emperors remained in power was because they recognised the power that the various factions had and shared it with them, playing them off against each other. Quikzos IV was a blundering, autocratic fool who basically made every faction an enemy, including the High Ecclesiarchy, Courts, Inquisiton and Military. Basically, he was not a good ruler.

There will now never be a new God-Emperor, since the rest of the divine family "tragically perished in the storming of the Hallowed Palace" - meaning that the Inquisition ruthlessly liquidated them all to solidify the High Ecclesiarchy's stake to the stewardship of the Throne of Ages. Popular sovereignty now reigns in Holy Xirnium.

It would be an interesting side RP perhaps if perhaps (if he had a son if not another potential heir) escaped.

I hear you there with Dirty work hehe, Enforcers act as my prjection of power (Black Slull usually do the dirty work and to this day no non-novan has yet to set eyes on one and live to tell the tale, I do emphasise yet I plan on carting them out on a few occasions in the near future) as well as the Sword of Damocles hanging ominously above everyone's heads. I have a sort of Quasi Democracy that's never really changed for over 6,500 years something I'm not eager to change :D

I doubt though that the liquidation though will stop someone claiming ancestry and right to rule, someone usually does something like that when a king dies with no apparant heir.

I doubt though that the liquidation though will stop someone claiming ancestry and right to rule, someone usually does something like that when a king dies with no apparant heir.

The High Ecclesiarchy anticipated and solved that problem by declaring the dead heir to the Throne of Ages, Adaemantus XII, as the God-Emperor. Since legally there already is a God-Emperor, regardless of the fact that he is deceased, no one may claim the throne. The High Ecclesiarchy therefore remains steward of the empty throne forever.

And that's only the legal problem. Politically, you'd also have to get through the Inquisiton, the Courts' Royal Judicial Guards, the High Ecclesiarchy's Zealot Paramilitary Troops, the various security and intelligence services, the police, the Seraphim Guard that fanatically defend whatever current God-Emperor is on the throne to the death, and finally the Military just to name a few before you could sit on the throne. Many of these factions gained power when the God-Emperor was deposed and none would like to lose it.


As for the dirty work, I have a lot of fun with the utter ruthlessness of the Inquisitiors. ;) Anyway, tell me this, Novacom, who would win between a Black Skull Enforcer and a Saradaukar if both are armed?

Ah. Sorry, I thought that you were insulting me and thinking me to be a snob. It's hard to understand intentions on the Internet because you can't detect tone and the face of a person.

So the High Ecclesiarchy thinks the founder, first Prime Minister and his cabinet members to be self-righteous, complacent, sychophantic fools eh?

No offense Xirnium, I get along well OOCly with ya, but I'll have to say that the Inquisitor sleeper cell has done an absolutely GARBAGE job on observing the political situation and may very be blinded in their hatred for the Union and because of that, know nothing about the Neo Adminisration or why the Union was founded.

Which is the lesser of the two evils in the High Ecclesiarchy's eyes, the USNSEA or the TMSTKC?

No offense Xirnium, I get along well OOCly with ya, but I'll have to say that the Inquisitor sleeper cell has done an absolutely garbage job on observing the political situation and may very be blinded in their hatred for the Union and because of that, know nothing about the Neo Adminisration or why the Union was founded.

I definitely disagree with your opinion regarding the Inquisition.

The High Ecclesiarchy's view is based on the Union's public statements which constantly assert Southeast Asia's good record (hence the self-righteousness) and fawn over the more powerful nations (often one's with atrocious human rights records), especially Automagfreek, (hence the sycophantic attitude), while always publically criticising Holy Xirnium. They are not based on the Inquisiton's intelligence reports, which deal with something else entirely. I also fail to see how the fact that you say one thing publically yet something else privately (which the Inquisition knows) means that you aren't self-righteous or fawning. If anything, it makes this more true.

You can be rest assured that the Inquisition is not blinded by any hatred of any kind, for emotions do not effect Inquisitors at all, and that the intelligence that they gather is extremely accurate and detailed. Intelligence reports gathered by the Inquisiton reveal your administration's abhorence of the actions of Kraven and Automagfreek in the recent wars and even hidden hostility (although you do not publically voice such opinions), and also your administration's wish to warm relations with Holy Xirnium (which Southeast Asia keeps well hidden from the public, but certainly not from the Inquisition). These reports however do not change the High Ecclesiarchy's opinion, which is mainly based on your public statements. If anything it makes it more clear, because it shows that your politicians are dishonest.

Which is the lesser of the two evils in the High Ecclesiarchy's eyes, the USNSEA or the TMSTKC?
The High Ecclesiarchy does not even view the Union as an evil, much less the lesser of two, and certainly not the greater. The High Ecclesiarchy merely recognises that the Union uses its "good reputation" for its own political purposes, and engages in realpolitik like any other nation. Lin may talk all he wants about how the Union is guided by some higher moral code, how it has a "flawless record", but the High Ecclesiarchy knows that your nation is no different from Xirnium, ie it acts in its own interests. This is the core of Southeast Asia's self-righteousness, Xirnium at least is honest and calls a spade a spade. When was the last time Southeast Asia called out Automagfreek's barbarity? Regardless of your public condemnation of Holy Xirnium, there is a parity between our civil and political rights. Indeed, in many places Xirnium may have stronger rights, (for example in the independence of its judiciary which is absolute, or the supremacy of its parliament).

Anyway, I hope that explains the High Ecclesiarchy's reasoning for their less then favourable opinion of Southeast Asia. Saying something while meaning another doesn't exactly endear them to you, but hopefully things will one day change when the Union finally drops its condemnatory public attitude towards Holy Xirnium. After all, the High Ecclesiarchy knows that they share the same liberal political ideology with Southeast Asia, and that you are, at heart at least, a decent nation.


As for the Kraven Corporation on the other hand, the High Ecclesiarchy despises it above any other nation, above the worst of all evils. So long as both Holy Xirnium and the hated Corporation exist on the same Earth there can never be peace, only a war of annihilation, a battle to the death. Only one political group will survive.

The reason why my characters didn't condemn AMF was because they would have made a speech so critically it would have found itself in the midst of a Blood Feud. BTW, see this thread! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457705)

Politics in that way do not exist in Novacom, Politicians from nations around the world are usually lumped into the same catagory of the Diri E I G Ignen, Destructive individuals make no mistakes, their gods are certainly not viewed with disdain it is the actual worshippers. There are exceptions however.

A relativley new Black Skull Enforcer unarmed could beat a Sardukar, it wouldn't take much to make the thing useless, just give the brain a good squeeze and one dead Sardukar, however though they couldn't stop an entire army, they'd wear themsleves out, even the most experienced one who can lift cars with his mind would tire. I was under the impresion the only way to disarm a Sardukar was to actually rip off both arms. Even if a Black Skull Enforcer didn't do a brain squeeze it would be quite a simple matter to say block the barrel and pull out all sorts of cables. If a Black SKull Enforcer were armed then there's not much that can stop one sheer endurance and complete control is a Novacom Military principle one the Black Skull Enforcer takes to an extreme and adds in a couple of extremly deadly elements.

BTW what do you 2 think ICly and OOCly of Novacom?

*sigh*

Guys, this shouldn't be about which uber unit can outwank the other. It should be about who RP's better and uses better tactics on the battlefield.

Backwater farmers with AK-47's can spank even the most seasoned soldiers if they employ better tactics, and if the writer is good enough to make a believable and coherent post.

Having an uber soldier does not = WIN!!1

I can't speak for Xirnium, though I suspect he's the same on this but Black Skull Enforcer's wouldn't be on the battlefield, they're not part of the Regular Cmmand structure they're above it reporting directly to the Suprainister, the only time they'd be on the battlefield is if a battle broke out in an area they were in or if there was a high priority mission (and I mean critical to the outcome of a war) would a single Black Skull Enforcer be deployed, they are very much in low numbers. Simply put their not soldiers.

I usually don't go in for Tech wanking it disrupts the flow, I prefer giving details about the people who are dieing in a war RP not what they're being killed with and how it's fin stablised hyper modulated super combobulator water pistol can kill at 2 yards.

I’d like to point out that Inquisitors are not used in armies, as Sentinels and Saradaukar are, they are all individual characters. Basically, they don't fight wars. Also the extensive training that they must undergo coupled with the fact that only the best of aspirants ever even attempt the training (and even less complete it) mean that the numbers of Inquisitors are not great. I’ve never even seen two together in any one roleplay.
Post 13 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10056906#post10056906)

The army I use for fighting actual wars is all MT.

As for the Inquisitors, they report to no one but themselves.

So Xirnium ICly and OOCly what do you think of Novacom?

Novacom is considered as one of the closest allies and friends of the High Ecclesiarchy and theirs is an opinion that the Grand Cardinals respect greatly. Due to Novacom’s secretive nature they are seen as slightly mysterious and puzzling by the High Ecclesiarchy, but are fascinated by what they do know of Novan culture and their civic institutions. The Novan political system is viewed as strange by the High Ecclesiarchy and especially High Supreme Court, chiefly because it is so strikingly different, but this has not diminished their respect towards Novacom. One thing that Holy Xirnium and Novacom do share together is they both aggressively assert their sovereignty.

The High Ecclesiarchy also admires the strong sense of honour and duty that characterises Novan people and feels that it shares with Novacom a certain ruthlessness in pursuing their respective goals.

OOCly I find your rp style quite distinct with its own character and your posts always interesting. The nation you have created is detailed and complex with a fascinating history.

I think its a given what the Corporation thinks of Xirnium, The 5 Wolf brigade operating in Xirnium are keeping low at the moment while Xharn is apparantly causing shit for your nation, although i think its starting to die down, and my my what speculation of the Sardaukar.... hehehe

while Xharn is apparantly causing shit for your nation
Xharn payed the price for presuming to violate Holy Xirnium's sovereignty, which was the death of their monarch and entire royal family. An omen of things to come for Kraven perhaps? ;)

By the way, what are your thoughts on the Kraven Experimenting Thread? Do you want me to eventually build the anti-CP virus, or should it run into difficulties?

Xharn payed the price for presuming to violate Holy Xirnium's sovereignty, which was the death of their monarch and entire royal family. An omen of things to come for Kraven perhaps? ;)

By the way, what are your thoughts on the Kraven Experimenting Thread? Do you want me to eventually build the anti-CP virus?

how did that happen then? I think I missed something Important....

By the way, what are your thoughts on the Kraven Experimenting Thread? Do you want me to eventually build the anti-CP virus, or should it run into difficulties?

Well, I actually want you to build the virus, I love the experiment thread, i love to see outsiders veiws and opinions on them, i love to see the Trials and Errors, for the Virus, Create it but run into some problems, you will also need to get past the CP Biowarfare gear, which is where the 3 stage virus you reverse engineered would come in helpfull... ;) hint hint...

It will allow my plan that i told you about to fall into place, and then i can use those pictures i showed you the other day

Xirnium: Might want to put the link to this thread in your sig, like AMF and I do to our respective OOC threads.

It's just the beginning hehe, I have planned to put up a lot more like Diri E I G Ignen Myths samples of Literature more history some of my more experimental projects and the like.

if Xharn doesn't turn tail and run then one way or another he'll end up buying the heavy end of the hammer, I've been looking for a Victim for Damocles for some time now.he's actually helping you at the moment Kraven hehe, before the jamming went up Novacom forces had managed to locate your Wolf Brigade down to Iathern. Though there is a Certain Black Skull Enforcer lurking in the wings waiting for the right oppourtunity to step out, looking forward toi seeing quite a clash of personalities, *rubs hands together in glee* I wonder which one I'll pick to toss into the mix, but which mix :D

Xirnimites are Considered Kindred spirits by some of the Novacom Political Hierachy (if you can call it that lol, calling a Novan a Politician is widely considered an insult) in terms of their devotion to their country, however though some of the backblading that goes on is somewhat startling, and there are long term concerns about stability lest one faction starts a civil war.

The Recent events with Quizikos IV have been a double edged sword, while it is always sad to see a leader deposed, what is more alarming is what seems to be renwed religous fervor something that in conjucntion with a Covern of Diri E I G Ignen having been disocvered with Admiral Kukonois forces in Infinite Cruicible is a cause for concern as well. However Novan Honour and friendship are things not so casually tossed aside and a deep respect of the enduracne of the xinimites exists.

All of that is unofficial IC good luck in getting that much information out of any Novan, you hit the nail on the head with secretive, I find reading the fanatacism of your people very interesting, you and Kraven seem the perfect match as foes, it was quite the twist lately to watch the God Emporer Deposed Kahansitan and Xirnium allies and plenty of swift reversals.

Sardukar are always an interesting enemy hehe, I certainly hope that AMF doesn't completly destroy you with no chance of rebuilding, I think a certain rogue admiral may crop up and throw a few spanners in the works, he excels at that hehe.

The Experiments Thread is pretty funny, I'm in 2 minds what to do with it, either send in a small team to try and rustle up a code or do some more trawling through old posts to find old codes to try, or another option which might be interesting. I do plan on revealing another part of the Novan Psyche in the Experiment thread very soon though :D

Well, I actually want you to build the virus, I love the experiment thread, i love to see outsiders veiws and opinions on them, i love to see the Trials and Errors, for the Virus, Create it but run into some problems, you will also need to get past the CP Biowarfare gear, which is where the 3 stage virus you reverse engineered would come in helpfull... ;) hint hint...

Just so you know, this is my plan, and it will take time and error to create the weapon I promise you. Maybe even some collateral deaths as well.. ;)

Basically, my thinking was this: Firstly, your troops are genetically modified, right? Therefore, they would have been modified in specific ways, and these specific modifications, changes to the genome structure, can be identified in the DNA.

Now, we take a virus, (I chose a smallpox virus because it’s highly contagious and an airborne agent) and engineer it to target cells with CP/Saraduakar DNA, but nothing else and especially not humans.

Then, we re-write the code of the virus so that instead of producing smallpox disease when it infects cells, it produces the prion agent, which is just a rogue protein. The rogue protein is similar to the one which causes “mad cow’s disease”, but different so that it is more effective. The specific protein produced by the bio-engineered virus causes cavities to form in the CP’s brain, killing it within several days. Like “mad cow’s disease”, it is also completely untreatable (traditional sterilisation by heating or irradiation does not even destroy it).

It will allow my plan that i told you about to fall into place, and then i can use those pictures i showed you the other day
I'm actually a bit disheartened that no-one else responded to your thread, it was quite interesting I thought.

Xirnium: Might want to put the link to this thread in your sig, like AMF and I do to our respective OOC threads.
Will do.

how did that happen then? I think I missed something Important....

It had something to do with the fact that Admiral Kenzal's fleet never left Xirnium and a squadron from Air Armada Erotos was shipped out, that plus how far my governemnt is willing to go, and those of other nations it seems to secure peace for Xirnium.

What thread? The last hope for freedom one? I may dispatch something though I'm none too keen on the potential fallout and calling the wrath of the Consortium down on my head, seriously I got fed up of the collective dogpiling or number wanking of the War on your mainland, no offence to you Kraven it was mainly other Consortium and AKA members.

The Experiments Thread is pretty funny, I'm in 2 minds what to do with it, either send in a small team to try and rustle up a code or do some more trawling through old posts to find old codes to try, or another option which might be interesting. I do plan on revealing another part of the Novan Psyche in the Experiment thread very soon though :D

That thread is great, I agree. Kudos to Kahanistan for creating it. The only problem is I seem to have run out of extremely cruel and barbaric ways to experiment on the CP, I think I've killed them in every way possibile (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10055042#post10055042).

It had something to do with the fact that Admiral Kenzal's fleet never left Xirnium and a squadron from Air Armada Erotos was shipped out, that plus how far my governemnt is willing to go, and those of other nations it seems to secure peace for Xirnium.

What thread? The last hope for freedom one? I may dispatch something though I'm none too keen on the potential fallout and calling the wrath of the Consortium down on my head, seriously I got fed up of the collective dogpiling or number wanking of the War on your mainland, no offence to you Kraven it was mainly other Consortium and AKA members.

I understand fully how you feel, It annoyed the hell out of me, it could have been something immense, but there was a lot of arguments and OOC sillyness that slowed it down and generaly ruined the whole RP

Yeah, though it's slightly confusing I'm not sure who's actually experimenting on what since we only have 1 name lol.

Once we manage to dig up a code one way or another, or find a way round the code (have an idea i'd rather wait for a little more action first perhaps one or 2 posts more) it'll be interesting to see if we can actually give a CP trooper a personality.

Kraven just wondering offhand with Kraovonika being beseiged and all hell breaking loose seemingly would an infiltration be at all possible and be undetected? If not then I may have to drag a Novacom Fleet into this as well.

OOC bickering risks wrecking the new RP as well, despite the fact that the arguments for Viable Tesla Coils are there, heck I use Tesla based systems a lot more than meets the eye I just don't go waving it round since people don't even know what real Tesla is never mind the Red Alert 2 version which strangely enough has a bit of truth in it, some Tesla based technology actually had mind control applications as well as mass destruction on more than one type of scale, (that's an idea *cackles*)

That thread is great, I agree. Kudos to Kahanistan for creating it. The only problem is I seem to have run out of extremely cruel and barbaric ways to experiment on the CP, I think I've killed them in every way possibile (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10055042#post10055042).

AHHH! i ment to mention that Sleep Deprivation experiment, Part of their Conditioning before birth allows them to operate for extended periods of time without sleep, up to a week without sleep and they can operate normaly, any further than that, and they become sluggish and eventually their capability overshadows their conditioning and they fall asleep.

Yeah, though it's slightly confusing I'm not sure who's actually experimenting on what since we only have 1 name lol.

Once we manage to dig up a code one way or another, or find a way round the code (have an idea i'd rather wait for a little more action first perhaps one or 2 posts more) it'll be interesting to see if we can actually give a CP trooper a personality.

Kraven just wondering offhand with Kraovonika being beseiged and all hell breaking loose seemingly would an infiltration be at all possible and be undetected? If not then I may have to drag a Novacom Fleet into this as well.

Yes you would be able to slip a small force in undetected, it would be possible if you blinded me with some RP'ing that i would allow you to infiltrate a Secret Police ReichGruppe Kommand Bunker.

That's an interesting detail, I could use that since it implies that their conditioning isn't complete, It's gonna be pretty fun since the Capitol Police bear a passing resemblance to the Diri E I G Ignen Covenant Guard and considering how easilt we seem to have cracked battle language my scientists are going to end up thinking TKC is made up of people from the Lost Colonies, a group of colonies lost forever at the end of the great war, Novan hasn't really changed that much in 7,000 years you know.

Yes you would be able to slip a small force in undetected, it would be possible if you blinded me with some RP'ing that i would allow you to infiltrate a Secret Police ReichGruppe Kommand Bunker.

Heh, all I had to do was say I was coming, and things got suddenly much easier... He must not like you guys as much...

I'm sure I'll be able to oblige you with a little assisstance I beleive General Kitas FLeet group will be making an appearance he is after all tasked with Anti Kukonois operations.

Hence why the good Commodore was hunting Admiral Kukonois, there are some IC details you can't really discover without having OOC knowledge. Hence why I'm updating my factbook with everything I possibly can.

AHHH! i ment to mention that Sleep Deprivation experiment, Part of their Conditioning before birth allows them to operate for extended periods of time without sleep, up to a week without sleep and they can operate normaly, any further than that, and they become sluggish and eventually their capability overshadows their conditioning and they fall asleep.

Excellent. Who ever said that these inhumane experiments wouldn't reveal valuable data? ;)

What about those who were kept conscious by various artificial means? Surely eventually they would die, though I imagine after a much greater period then humans would.

AH that reminds me which thread should I post this little diversion in? This little distraction could potentially give you a big boost in the war, would it be best to split the posts up or what? The actual War thread seems closed and I'd rather not get flamed at.

Excellent. Who ever said that these inhumane experiments would reveal valuable data? ;)

What about those who were kept conscious by various artificial means? Surely eventually they would die, though I imagine after a much greater period then humans would.

How do you mean?

oh and Capitol Police and Sardaukar Do not feel pain so Anesthetics would be lost on them, The Capitol Police are trained to ignore it, the Sardaukar just have those particular nerves bypassed

How do you mean?

oh and Capitol Police and Sardaukar Do not feel pain so Anesthetics would be lost on them, The Capitol Police are trained to ignore it, the Sardaukar just have those particular nerves bypassed

Ahh, spelling error, I've edited the post and it should be clearer now. Basically I mean that even the most cruel experiments can yield valuable data. Not that these experiments are cruel though, since the CP aren't humans, but you know what I mean.. if the CP were humans then the experiments would be utterly barbaric.

[Edit: Looking over your post, I’ve realised that perhaps you were referring to my question regarding sleep experiments, which the Xirniumite scientists were quite interested in. Let me elaborate. Basically, there are ways of making it impossible to lose consciousness, such as damaging the thalamus of the brain as occurs in Fatal Familial Insomnia (http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec06/ch090/ch090c.html). In such cases, sleep becomes impossible and typically the person dies “after about 7 to 36 months of illness”, or so it says in the link (although I imagine that the person affected by such a disorder would be compltely out of it long before he or she died, maybe after a week or two of continued consiousness).

Naturally, my scientists wanted to know how long it takes for a CP to die of such an affliction, since one of their mandates is to discover the absolute limits of the capabilities of the CP, so in one of the experiments they would have made it so that the CP was physically unable to fall asleep (perhaps by surgery to the thalamus) and waited around to see how long it took for its vital functions to cease. Assuming, of course, that it did eventually die, perhaps the CP have an additional failsafe we don't know about? If they do, the Xirniumites want to know about it.]

Anyway, what about when a CP is having an operation performed on it to crack open its chest cavity and remove its heart while it is still conscious, is its training sufficient to ignore the pain in that case? Establishing the exact boundaries of the CP's capabilities is a primary purpose of these experiments.

I'm reminded of a particular quote from the Terminator movie that sums up the point of view of the Xirniumite scientists (and their goals for gathering detailed physiological information on the CP and Saradaukar) pretty well: :)

Terminator: I have detailed files on human anatomy.
Connor: I bet... makes you a more efficient killer, right?
Terminator: Correct.

A thought? the Last chance for freedom for the infiltration and the AMF V KC for the Novacom Fleet waltzing into the proceedings hurtling after a Particularly capricious Admiral Kukonois force or the entire lot in the LCFF or the infiltration and attack in the A V K and then the actual covert ops work in the LCFF?

Another question this one concerning the Capitol Police, would they all look alike or would they look different, I mean looks wise when they're not wearing armour?

Ahh, spelling error, I've edited the post and it should be clearer now. Basically I mean that even the most cruel experiments can yield valuable data. Not that these experiments are cruel though, since the CP aren't humans, but you know what I mean.. if the CP were humans then the experiments would be utterly barbaric.

[Edit: Looking over your post, I’ve realised that perhaps you were referring to my question regarding sleep experiments, which the Xirniumite scientists were quite interested in. Let me elaborate. Basically, there are ways of making it impossible to lose consciousness, such as damaging the thalamus of the brain as occurs in Fatal Familial Insomnia (http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec06/ch090/ch090c.html). In such cases, sleep becomes impossible and typically the person dies “after about 7 to 36 months of illness”, or so it says in the link (although I imagine that the person affected by such a disorder would be compltely out of it long before he or she died, maybe after a week or two of continued consiousness).

Naturally, my scientists wanted to know how long it takes for a CP to die of such an affliction, since one of their mandates is to discover the absolute limits of the capabilities of the CP, so in one of the experiments they would have made it so that the CP was physically unable to fall asleep (perhaps by surgery to the thalamus) and waited around to see how long it took for its vital functions to cease. Assuming, of course, that it did eventually die, perhaps the CP have an additional failsafe we don't know about? If they do, the Xirniumites want to know about it.]

Anyway, what about when a CP is having an operation performed on it to crack open its chest cavity and remove its heart while it is still conscious, is its training sufficient to ignore the pain in that case? Establishing the exact boundaries of the CP's capabilities is a primary purpose of these experiments.

I'm reminded of a particular quote from the Terminator movie that sums up the point of view of the Xirniumite scientists (and their goals for gathering detailed physiological information on the CP and Saradaukar) pretty well: :)

Terminator: I have detailed files on human anatomy.
Connor: I bet... makes you a more efficient killer, right?
Terminator: Correct.


Ah well, in that case the CP would be able to continue to operate in normal conditions up to 36 months, allbeit their ability to perform tasks would deteriate, they would perform them better than a normal human

Nice quote

A thought? the Last chance for freedom for the infiltration and the AMF V KC for the Novacom Fleet waltzing into the proceedings hurtling after a Particularly capricious Admiral Kukonois force or the entire lot in the LCFF or the infiltration and attack in the A V K and then the actual covert ops work in the LCFF?

Another question this one concerning the Capitol Police, would they all look alike or would they look different, I mean looks wise when they're not wearing armour?

ARRGGHH SO MANY ABREVIATIONS!


Just have the Spec ops team infiltrate in last chance for freedom, the Resistance group will meet up with your team if you let them know your there, then they will get you into the city. from their you will be pretty much on your own

As for the Xirniums question, The Trooper would ignore the pain indefinatly, hes programmed to ignore the pain, and to acknowledge it would be to directly disobey an order which they phyiscally cannot do.

and yes those of life support systems would eventualy die, although their endurance would be a lot longer than a normal human.

The Capitol Police are all different, they are not clones, they are the Sardaukar, a fresh clone is needed to augment them properly, experiments involving people conditioned into Sardaukar turned out to be particulary disasterous, with many of them dying when we tried to remove the skeletal structure and replace it with a Titanium Chassis... hmmm

Sorry about all the Abbreviations hehe.

just wondering some time if I gave you a little rundown of what Admiral Kukonois' forces were capable of would you like to RP as him for a while? Your propably the best "evil" RPer I've seen so you'd do a good job :D

BTW Xirnium in the High Eccelsarchy's statement you reffered to me as "The Alignment of" that's just a beginning bit I had to come up with, it's simply Novacom.

Xirnium, you are nowhere on my enemies list, just on the 'Dislike' list. Here's a list of foes:

Joint Conglomerates
National Commonwealth
Any puppet of Saharistan
The Kraven Corporation
Concremo (stabbed in the back and annexed)
SkyCapt

And before you find yourself over your heads in a sea of gore should both of us loathe each other's guts out, here's a list of states I've friendly relations with/allies with.

Aequatio
Bastion Prime
Athiesism
Leafanistan
Fascist Confederacy (rping as the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics)
Halberdgardia
Sarzonia
Praetonia
Saint Fedski
McKagan
The Silver Sky
Pacitalia
Automagfreek
Tannenmille
Hailandkill
Mekugi
The Macabees
Truitt

Tickets anyone? ;) :evil:

Well Xirnium also has allies, so I think your confidence based on your “list of states” is misplaced. But as I said before, the High Ecclesiarchy doesn't see you as a threat so you need not worry.

Of course I trust some more than others. Mainly the SWC. But in case we do end up hating each other, it will not be you turning the meat-grinder's crank in the long term.

Of course I trust some more than others. Mainly the SWC. But in case we do end up hating each other, it will not be you turning the meat-grinder's crank in the long term.

Any time you wish to test your theory (and your "allies") you know where to find Holy Xirnium. :)

OOC: I'm not an arrogant bastard ya know, as you seem to think I am. I'm not as stupid as the RL player behind Saharistan and his puppets. But I don't like to invade other countries. I want you to invade my own soil. That is where the killing has happened before, and may very well soon again.

I want you to invade my own soil. That is where the killing has happened before, and may very well soon again.

Then I don't think you know very much about Holy Xirnium. The High Ecclesiarchy favours a policy of splendid isolation and is not an expansionist or imperialist power.

Furthermore, the High Ecclesiarchy doesn't go around starting wars for the fun of it. It's not as if they don't have enough problems as it is.

OOC: Yeah, everyone seems to want to invade Xirnium... How many Nations have invaded/threatened you since you came into existence?

Too many - its just lucky they don't all act on those threats

yeah hehe, and with all hell breaking loose as Admiral Kukonois sets into motion what he thinks will be his final operation on the road to complete victory things don't look set to get any easier, far from it.

Six hostile nations at least actually entered Xirnium sovereign territory with significant troop numbers in the Kraven-Xirnium War alone. Countless others threatened to invade at the time, and before the war. Had they all actually made good on their threat Xirnium would have been overrun in a week I'm sure. Had the Infinite Empire not come to Holy Xirnium's defence we probably would have been overrun anyway, given the formidable array of forces against us.

Since then we've had even more nations who've thereatened war with Holy Xirnium, like Xharn, or who've had insidious designs against the Holy Empire, like Kravania.

Is it just me, or is there an unusually large number of psychotic and/or warmongering leaders out there in the NS world? ;)

So far, all have failed, which is very good I guess. I especially like that many have failed with ultimately disasterous consequences (Torontia, Kraven, Xharn, Kravania), builds up quite a mystique which is useful for propaganda purposes.

That thread is great, I agree. Kudos to Kahanistan for creating it. The only problem is I seem to have run out of extremely cruel and barbaric ways to experiment on the CP, I think I've killed them in every way possibile (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10055042#post10055042).

You can always subject them to Puritania (for the gory details of what that entails, the History of AMF link in AMF's sig, post 2, goes into disturbing detail), but then you leave the realm of "experimentation" and enter the realm of "hideous pointless barbarism."

On another note, does the High Ecclesiarchy have Inquisitors in Kahanistan / trailing Kahanistanian officers / government officials / infiltrating the media?

Oh, and I thought that Kravania was a puppet of Kraven.

Your not the only one, in fact Kraven came out several times to explain it was not him (no one believed him)...

Turned out it was the Torontian player, trying to build another facist nation... Which did not go over so well...

You can always subject them to Puritania (for the gory details of what that entails, the History of AMF link in AMF's sig, post 2, goes into disturbing detail), but then you leave the realm of "experimentation" and enter the realm of "hideous pointless barbarism."
Yeah I could, and it would be fun, except torturing someone does not have any scientific usefulness behind it. The Xirniumite scientists are eminent researchers, not butchers, and all my experiments have had merit to them, gaining valuable information. Torturing Kraven soldiers for kicks would be as useful as ripping wings of flies, and also unprofessional. It's certainly not something that Xirniumite academics would do.

By the way, I read your Constitution. Quite interesting and detailed. If you like I could make an IC comment on it somewhere.

Edit:

Oh what the hell, I'll post an IC response to it right here. It's just one Xirniumite jurist's take on an aspect of your Constitution, unless someone in your nation reads Xirniumite law textbooks they'll probably never even notice it:

The Rule of Law in Foreign Nations, Kahanistan: Chapter CLXII

‘…perhaps one of the more curious aspects of the Constitution of Kahanistan is the implications it has for mens rea (or “guilty mind”) requirements in the Kahanistanian justice system.

The Constitution dismantles the doctrine of strict liability (and presumably, by implication, also that of absolute liability), declaring it a “gross affront to human rights” (Constition of Kahanistan, art 13), and in doing so boldy removes two distinct offence classifications in use in most systems in the world. In this manner, the Kahanistanian legal system is unique, for few nations at all do not have any strict or absolute liability offences.

Parking ones car in a “no-parking zone”, for instance, is a strict liability offence under the Xirniumite Crimes Act 1965. Therefore, the prosecution is not required to prove any intention, knowledge or recklessness on the part of the defendant (in other words, doing the act itself prima facie imports intent). The defendant can, of course, avail him or herself of the defence of an “honest and reasonable mistake of fact” which, were the mistake true, would have meant that the act or omission which constituted the offence was innocent and thus not criminal. For example, a belief that the “no-parking zone” was, in fact, a valid parking area, if proven by the defence on the balance of probabilities, would negate the presumtion of guilty knowledge.

Under the Kahanistanian Criminal justice system, however, given a reading og Article 13 of the Constitution alone, we can assume that this would not be the case at all, and that no matter how minor the penalty, or how regulatory its nature, or how much easier it would make the enforcement of the offence, mens rea, some kind of guilty intention, must always be proven beyond reasonable doubt in Kahanistanian courts. The effect that this has on the judicial system of Kahanistan…’

-Lady Justice Galdria

On another note, does the High Ecclesiarchy have Inquisitors in Kahanistan / trailing Kahanistanian officers / government officials / infiltrating the media?
The Inquisition does maintain some agents in Kahanistan as it does with all nations that it is able to freely gain access to due to fairly open borders. If by “infiltrating” you mean “have contacts” in the media then yes, they do. They use these contacts to keep ahead of the news and political developments. To my knowledge the Inquisition is not currently giving any agents in Kahanistan the specific job of trailing government or military officials though.

Make no Mistake I am by no means going the way of Axis nova with skyships being invincible mostrosities, if you read heavily into some of my posts you'll have seen the signs of groundwork for the Jindrax, if anything it's roughly analaogous to the Egg Carrier out of Sonic Adventure.

BTW has the inquisition actually tried to get into Novacom Territory? They may have a chance of getting into some of the military bases that I have across the world and maybe access what records The Zanziik Republic Senate has but apart from that I think it would be fairly hard to gather much of what happens in Novacom :D

It would be too difficult I'd imagine. Since it's almost impossibile for a foreigner to learn Novan an Inquisitor would have to remain unseen and unheard for his or her entire time in Novacom, the Inquisitior couldn't try to pass him or herself off as a Novan.

In my opinion it's certainly possibile, Inquisitors are very skilled at espionage, but I think it would not be worth the risk given that we are allies and relations between Xirnium and Novacom are important to the High Ecclesiarchy. With the Inquisitors stationed in Kahanistan, even though relations are equally important, firstly it is much easier for them to remain there unnoticed and secondly they aren't actually breaking the law by illegally entering the country, they come there through all the proper channels. Given these, you can see why the Inquisition has not attempted to enter Novacom.

OOC: BTW, Xirnium, my characters know jack shit about Inquisitors being in my capitol. But once they find out, then we will be nice for the first three times. Fourth time, then remember the bullfrog and the newt.

You can always subject them to Puritania (for the gory details of what that entails, the History of AMF link in AMF's sig, post 2, goes into disturbing detail), but then you leave the realm of "experimentation" and enter the realm of "hideous pointless barbarism."


For the record, that wasn't Puritania. That was just the normal everyday operations of the Halls of the Dead. Puritania is only been written by me once, and is much worse than anything else.

OOC: BTW, Xirnium, my characters know jack shit about Inquisitors being in my capitol. But once they find out, then we will be nice for the first three times. Fourth time, then remember the bullfrog and the newt.

No Inquisitor has ever been captured so that's not a terribly big concern.

I can assure you Xirnium, that they have NOT been taking too many doses of Hartman's deceitful public statements. Kahanistan was not foolish, and they don't believe them to be stupid at all. They believe them to be unlucky enough to wind up on the wrong side of the stick. They put up a damn solid defense, and the only big mistake was using VX gas on Freek Sentinels, as it only increases the stakes' height. Dreadfire is an arrogant (but not stupid, in fact he is intelligent) man, and only deals in absolutes, so they nearly sent themselves to a page on a history textbook.

What I meant to say was, there have been many government officials stupid to challenge Automagfreek and come out on top and be seen as a hyperpower. I was using Automagfreek as an example to illustrate how much they care to help a national leader who was that stupid to challenge a military power that has taken out huge pacts with many powerful member-states, all of them, and insanely beat the crap out of them. Quite a lot of those that challenged AMF were OOCly people new to the game.

And FYI, I am Neo himself, just an older and more versed version of myself.

And FYI, I am Neo himself, just an older and more versed version of myself.
This is not suprising, a lot of people base their leaders on themselves.

I was using Automagfreek as an example to illustrate how much they care to help a national leader who was that stupid to challenge a military power that has taken out huge pacts with many powerful member-states
I'm a little confused about what that had to do with Holy Xirnium though.

And FYI, I am Neo himself, just an older and more versed version of myself.

I knew it!

I'm a little confused about what that had to do with Holy Xirnium though.
Because they, like Xirnium, don't see it as a threat. And they will not assist helping the foolish government, because they brought it on themselves, and there were other ways to gain international recognition in less violent ways.

Because they, like Xirnium, don't see it as a threat. And they will not assist helping the foolish government, because they brought it on themselves, and there were other ways to gain international recognition in less violent ways.

Wait a minute.. so let's sort this out. Firstly, what exactly should Xirnium be seeing as a threat, but supposedly isn't? And are you trying to say that Xirnium goes to war for international recognition, of all things? You're using too many "they's" and I'm having some trouble understanding your meaning.

No. In the first sentence, I was refering to my cabinet. In the second sentence, I was refering to the foolish government officials that challenged AMF.

Xirnium, since TKC is on the verge of total wipe out like FWS, who do you will you view as your most hated enemy IC?

I doubvt TKC will be wiped out completly, though I'm sure a certain Admiral will becomming more of a threat in the near future...

So long as Kraven lasts, and they will always last, they will remain our most deadly foe.

Since this is OOC, and I hold no grudge against Xirnium IC, (and OOC for that matter), I know states that can easily annhilate you faster and more efficiently than TKC can...and Yallak nobly steps in to save you, only to find that he cannot even save himself and you. And no, it doesn't need to be a certain player with the online initials of 'A.M.F'.... ;)

Since I've no problem with any of these nations that you so vaguely allude to I ask myself, "so what?"

He's propably intending to call down another superpower or 3, I doubt there'll be much left of Kraven for a while, he'll propably return in full force later on, bigger and badder than ever, after all things around here have a habbit of not staying dead, not by a long shot.

Those players are some excellent writers. I know both of us don't like to lose. But I'm prepared to lose everything if I go up against:

Generic empire
Doomingsland
-Maqdha- (rping as Roach-Busters)
Freudotopia
Otagia
And last, but not least: any of the Gholgoth nation-states*

All of them are excellent writers, and not bad strategists and have fine armed forces. So yes, if you wind up against them, prepare yourself for a very good fight. And I think Xirnium may lose it's luck by then.
*That is, if I piss off Dreadfire. But it's not likely to happen, as I'm trying to get a good rp record enough to be accepted into Gholgoth because my characters are trying to do what Doujin couldn't do because he had little time: move Automagfreek into the 'light' side of the 'good/evil' spectrum. Plus, the IC SEA has good relations with the Nationalist Federal Republic of Aequatio, which also is very friendly to Automagfreek since the two nations were founded on the same day and still has been close since then.

EDIT: YAY! I've just made my
ONE THOUSANDTH / 1000TH POST!!!!!

TG, Southeast Asia.

Since this is OOC, and I hold no grudge against Xirnium IC, (and OOC for that matter), I know states that can easily annhilate you faster and more efficiently than TKC can...and Yallak nobly steps in to save you, only to find that he cannot even save himself and you. And no, it doesn't need to be a certain player with the online initials of 'A.M.F'.... ;)

They'd need to a have reason to first of all or they wouldn't bother attacking Xirnium.
And you gravely underestimate my military and my resolve. I also have one off (if not) the best armour's in NS and that gives my forces a distinct advantage (especially if the enemy is an equal size or smaller than myself).

*hollow laughing*

fat chance of that, that's about as likely as Admiral Kukonois becomming the next Xirnium God Emporer, and we all know that is impossible.

*hollow laughing*

fat chance of that, that's about as likely as Admiral Kukonois becomming the next Xirnium God Emporer, and we all know that is impossible.

?? what is that to?

They'd need to a have reason to first of all or they wouldn't bother attacking Xirnium.
And you gravely underestimate my military and my resolve. I also have one off (if not) the best armour's in NS and that gives my forces a distinct advantage (especially if the enemy is an equal size or smaller than myself).
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't underestimating you. You may have good technology, plenty of patriotic resolve and weapons, but because Doomingsland has a very good air force, and has very rarely lost because of his mastery of aerial technology and air strategy. Not to mention, his people's culture IS ONE BREED FOR WAR. He could easily break your neck without you even knowing it, and Generic empire and Roach-Busters are superb scene-settlers, so I will be OOCly enjoying the writing. Because Saharistan has been humbled and is now much more cunning, and has be secretly gaining those nation-states support. Perhaps even the entire CAD. Good luck.

TG again, Southeast Asia..

Not to mention, his people's culture IS ONE BREED FOR WAR. He could easily break your neck without you even knowing it

Why does everyone seem to assume my troops are recruits who march around winning by show of force?

Know thy enemy is the saying. The Empire's military is its most important asset. All schools are military academies (in which soldiers will spend their whole lives training and learning until they go into active service) and every major industry is directly or indirectly part of military production. My forces are quite literally bread into war.

Well, take a Yallakian and breed him overseas, and I highly doubt he/she will be that indoctrinated into military. But SC will give you a fricking hell of a time as well, so I will be laughing OOC.

Well, take a Yallakian and breed him overseas, and I highly doubt he/she will be that indoctrinated into military. But SC will give you a fricking hell of a time as well, so I will be laughing OOC.

I'm sure they'd be a challenge but theres no way they could roll me over in any quick or easy fashion.

my characters are trying to do what Doujin couldn't do because he had little time: move Automagfreek into the 'light' side of the 'good/evil' spectrum.

I was replying to that impossible claim of SEA's. Convert AMF to the light side, like I said impossible.

Yallak I by no means assume your troops are recuits, though if you want to show it off, I did just make a wargames thread and it's open to any allied nation.

I share a similar principle, instead of having every school as a military academy there are instead 3 years of compulsory service after college and before univeristy, attendance of University is mandatory in Novacom BTW.

I prefer to have a more broader base, and it's starting to pay off with the trillions of tons of munitions and the like pouring out of the Novesia Novacom Manufacturing Foundries alone, and their small in comparison.

Yallak I by no means assume your troops are recuits, though if you want to show it off, I did just make a wargames thread and it's open to any allied nation.

Ah Cool. Just checking you weren't laughing at my claims to the best armour.

I share a similar principle, instead of having every school as a military academy there are instead 3 years of compulsory service after college and before univeristy, attendance of University is mandatory in Novacom BTW.

I prefer to have a more broader base, and it's starting to pay off with the trillions of tons of munitions and the like pouring out of the Novesia Novacom Manufacturing Foundries alone, and their small in comparison.

Its more complex than it sounds really. Although they are all military academies, after the first 6 years of training the citizens choose a career choice. So for others they move on to specilise in that area (as well as more advanced general stuff) while the miltary forces like soliders spend a further 8 years in training.

Can you give me the link to the wargames?

hey it's the same with me, when we simplify anything accuracy is the first casualty.

With the 3 years compulsory service the first 2 years are training, then 1 year in the field, if after university they decide to enroll in the military then it's another 2 years of intensive training before then being assigned to an existing force for 2 years, after that they are switched out and with them a new force is formed. You'll never run into an entirely "green" Novacom Formation, (particularly as green is the Novacom Colour for Civilian side of things :p My flag has more than one purpose hehe) It might be an interesting co-operation to do, in the research frontier, Perhaps finding a way to combine the effectiveness of your armour design with the portability of my HCEAC (pronounced Hiszaak) which is why I wanted large amounts of Carbon in trading, There are certain Novacom Islands that can with a little prodding simulate the conditions that turns carbon into Diamonds, relativley easily.

I was replying to that impossible claim of SEA's. Convert AMF to the light side, like I said impossible.
Not true. Doujin actually would have succeeded, as he is a tier rp'er, if it were not for the fact he has a lot of RL issues to deal with and as a result, is inactive. I only need to sharpen my writing skills enough to a tier rp'ing level....

And here is le link Yallak.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10129271

I intend on keeping this small, Me, you, Xirnium, Kahanistan and perhaps if no arguments crop up Velkya.

Glad to know I start a ruckus up wherever I go. :p

you could say that heh.

I'll send some H44s to give them a good test run.

It's land, sea and Air BTW, there's a reason why I picked a chain of fairly large islands, hehe but you'll see in due time, It'll be interesting to see them in play against a Daokrellzus, BTW just for a note the Legacy class will not be making an appearance, as far as I'm concerned my SD Project is still very much mothballed with intense research going on in the background.

Xirnium, TG

You guys should really try using your messangers, it would make OOC much easier.

You mean MSN right?

It's up on my profile if anyone should need to catch me, I hardly hide myself in a cupboard, and Velkya for my Logo looking wonky I think it's a trick of the eye, If you look carefully at the Military emblem you'll notice that the center is akin to my flag, plus my flag I saved as a JPG instead of a PNG which affects picture quality greatly.

And here is le link Yallak.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10129271

I intend on keeping this small, Me, you, Xirnium, Kahanistan and perhaps if no arguments crop up Velkya.

Cool. I'll send some of the units i have sitting in Torontia.

Xirnium, TG

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OOC: Xirnium, do you think that Sniper Country's legendary commando teams could pwn your Inquisitors?
No I don't, in fact I personally consider an Inquisitor to be superior. At the least though there would be something like parity between them, since it's the best versus the best. Of course, I've no intention of testing such an opinion.

No I don't, in fact I personally consider an Inquisitor to be superior. At the least though there would be something like parity between them, since it's the best versus the best. Of course, I've no intention of testing such an opinion.

That's quite a claim you boast.

Let's just put it this way, even today I still consider the special forces of Sniper Country to be superior to everyone else's, mine included. I highly doubt anything out there can hold a candle to SC's legendary units.

You're probably right, acutally thinking it over I will retract my claim that an Inquisitor would be superior. It was an opinion from the perspective of my nation though, and I haven't really had much of a chance to see SC's work.

But I definitely don't think an Inquisitior could be "pwned" by SC's commandos. Beaten? Sure. But not "pwned".

That Sniper Commando's troops are better may well be true, but not entire orders of magnitude better. I consider the elites of each respective nation to be fairly close in terms of capabilities. It's sort of like comparing the special forces of today, there are definitely some better then others but they are all quite good.

Anyway, that's just my humble opinion.

How powerful are SC's commando's? What have they successfully gone up against and what are some of their failures?

How powerful are SC's commando's? What have they successfully gone up against and what are some of their failures?

Perhaps you should ask him yourself.

But I will say this, SC didn't get his reputation for nothing.....

Southeastasia, could you please remove your off-topic post from the High Court thread? The whole reason for creating this thread was to deal with tangential OOC questions here.

Edit: Thankyou, feel free to continue the discussion here if you like.

Had TKC asked Dreadfire to invade Xirnium instead of Kahanistan in order to avenge their defeat, what would be the scenario?

My bet is that Xirnium would be completely obliterated.........

My bet is that Xirnium would be completely obliterated.........

Pffft.. the benevolent and terrible God-Emperor always defends his flock. :D

To be serious, and answer SEA's question, it is my understanding that nothing at all would have happened, because the High Ecclesiarchy managed to broker a Nonaggression Pact between Xirnium and Automagfreek, and not even the Freeks will break their own word. In fact, they seem to ascribe quiet strongly to their own variation of honour.

In my opinion, Kahanistan went to war with AMF because the Supreme Soviet lacked diplomatic finesse, something no one can ever claim about the High Ecclesiarchy. The Grand Cardinals are master politicans.

God-Emperor VS Automagfreek......

I would pay to see that movie...

:cool:

No, I mean to say that instead of invading Kahanistan first, they invaded Xirnium...

No, I mean to say that instead of invading Kahanistan first, they invaded Xirnium...

Yes, but the treaty that the Grand Cardinals managed to forge forbade that, and also forbade any other Consortium nation including Kraven from making war with Holy Xirnium.

The Grand Cardinals are master politicans.

I would testify to that...

I would testify to that...
I think Amestria and the High Ecclesiarchy may have gotten off on the wrong foot. We should have a diplomatic RP at some stage, the Grand Cardinals are really quite nice when you get to know them. Utterly ruthless.. but nice people. ;)

Far more interesting characters then the Inquisitors, in my opinion.

Can the Grand Cardinals get me out of the Blood in the Streets mess. That my leader got himself into?

Pffft.. the benevolent and terrible God-Emperor always defends his flock. :D

To be serious, and answer SEA's question, it is my understanding that nothing at all would have happened, because the High Ecclesiarchy managed to broker a Nonaggression Pact between Xirnium and Automagfreek, and not even the Freeks will break their own word. In fact, they seem to ascribe quiet strongly to their own variation of honour.

In my opinion, Kahanistan went to war with AMF because the Supreme Soviet lacked diplomatic finesse, something no one can ever claim about the High Ecclesiarchy. The Grand Cardinals are master politicans.

Damn right. That and the fact that, instead of the Minister of Foreign Affairs (who can be a bit abrasive herself, but doesn't generally use religious hyperbole) I had a general of a disputable mental state handle the talks with AMF, and he insisted that Allah would crush the Freeks until half of Kahanistan was smashed, and continued to insist that Dreadfire was bound for Hell. Only the surrender of the President (who has an instinct for self-preservation and doesn't put blind faith in his God) saved Kahanistan from complete annihilation. BTW, after the Kraven War is over, I'm thinking of RPing an election in Kahanistan and running the general up against the incumbent, with several other candidates.

God-Emperor VS Automagfreek......

I would pay to see that movie...

:cool:

LOL. Me too. :cool:

Yeah that would be interesting... That General scares the hell out of the Amestrian Government and the Deep State (they view him as a threat to both Kahanistan's stability and Amestria's interests). Which Party would he be?

I have to get around to my own elections... I will take advantage of a lull in the Torontian conflict...

Xirnium, TG...

General al-Ghazi is a member of the Kahanistan Fascist Party. You might be glad to know he has been removed from his post as Deputy Defense Minister.

BTW, what's the Deep State?

The Deep State: A collection of Generals, Military Officers, Judges, and Civil Servants who view themselves as the true guardians of the Amestrian State (its secular nature, its unitary form of goverence, its territorial integrity, and foreign policy). They are often involved behind the scenes, steering policy in the direction they prefer. However, they occasionally act somewhat overtly… They are not a secret society, The Deep State is the public nickname they have been given (and adopted)… For instance, ever wonder why General of the Armies Hakuro called the Kahanistan President directly on the issue of al-Ghazi's behavior...

Can I have a link to the Post where al-Ghazi was dismissed from his post in the Defense Department (if it is not too much trouble, Amestria did privately advocate his removal ,you probably noticed that al-Ghazi is the exact opposite of an Amestrian Military Officer...)

The Grand Cardinals are master politicans.
Say, this question has just snapped into my head:

Heather Gilda vs. Minister Hartman....

....in a debate whether the Excessively Armed Empire can take over the world. Who wins?

Oh Xharn I think it's much too far gone for that.....

BTW Valcus Torrodell is considered the eagle of the Novacom Diplomatic Corps, so don't worry not every Novacom Diplomat is like that, he defines an extremity of the Novan Psyche.

I think I'd pay money to see That debate lol between Hartman and Gilda hehe.

Xirnium I know you've mentioned it and things are starting to pile up left right and center but there is a certain war undone by war thread that requires your attention :P

What might be interesting after things have calmed down would be a nice RP that would involve an exchange, and say a Black Skull Enforcer being trained by Inquisitors and an Inquisitor going through the same training procdure as Black Skull Enforcers, I think it'd be pretty interesting to play out.

It might be interesting for an Amestrian to meet up with a Novacom Diplomat

What might be interesting after things have calmed down would be a nice RP that would involve an exchange, and say a Black Skull Enforcer being trained by Inquisitors and an Inquisitor going through the same training procdure as Black Skull Enforcers, I think it'd be pretty interesting to play out.
Actually, that'd be a great idea, it would allow both of us to detail the training methods of our respective orders.

Heather Gilda vs. Minister Hartman....
I'll only say that I have complete confidence in Heather, she is likely the most gifted Grand Cardinal in the history of the Patriarchy. This is OOC of course, but in the future I plan on RPing her clear rise to leadership of her party and taking the Chief Ministership. That'll not neccessarily be after Ertham retires or dies, despite the fact that the two are close allies in Caucus. I think it would show her ruthlessness and political skill quite well if she took the leadership from a close friend. But I'm still thinking about it.

Can the Grand Cardinals get me out of the Blood in the Streets mess. That my leader got himself into?
Probably, but it wouldn't be in their interest to. Let's not forget that you threatened nuclear war with Xirnium and also breached Xirnium's airspace, that doesn't exactly endear you to the High Ecclesiarchy.

Great, let me know when you want to start it I have a lot of ideas in mind for Black Skull Enforcer training methods, and it starts off fairly strangely heh.

I doubt though that the High Eccelsarchacy could be bothered to try and deflect Novacom from mauling Xharn, especially as there might be spoils to be had...

I doubt though that the High Eccelsarchacy could be bothered to try and deflect Novacom from mauling Xharn, especially as there might be spoils to be had...

No, indeed. In fact, the High Ecclesiarchy would probably feel that they are getting their just desserts for ever daring to presume to threaten the sovereignty of Holy Xirnium.

Which reminds me after the Destinus thread is over I beleive the Suprainister will be paying a visit to Xirnium, of course all in good time, I'm looking forward to the next few months, a nice brisk war, Fleshing out Black Skull Enforcers and Inquisitor training Methods with you and perhaps a bit more revealations about Novan culture and history, and of course a more than healthy dose of Admiral Kukonois on the rampage.

Just wondering you mentioned something called "Caucus" what pray tell or who for that matter is it?

Just wondering you mentioned something called "Caucus" what pray tell or who for that matter is it?

Oh, I missed this.

Ok, as I’ve explained before the High Ecclesiarchy borrows extensively from British concepts of governance. It’s parliament is supreme and therefore it possesses no written constitution and it ascribes to the concept of responsible government. “Responsible government” means that the Executive cabinet, the Patriarchate, needs the confidence of the parliament, the High Ecclesiarchy, to govern. Therefore, all members of the Patriarchy are members of the High Ecclesiarchy, and govern only so long as they have the support of a majority of all its members.

Stability results due to the fact that parties exist, and the party that has the majority will always be able to elect its own leadership to the Patriarchate because of party discipline. The question is, which members of the High Ecclesiarchy will the party elect to the Patriarchate?

This is determined by “Caucus”, the collective grouping of all members of a party elected to the High Ecclesiarchy. The XPDP currently has 62% of all the seats in the High Ecclesiarchy (a huge majority), and each of these Cardinals comprises the "Caucus" of the XPDP. In the Xirniumite political system, Caucus is the senior grouping of any party, and determines party policy, tactics, etc. Anyway, it is Caucus that has the ability to elect or dismiss the party's parliamentary leader and decides which Cardinals to elect to the Patriarchate. The decisions of the Caucus are usually followed by a party, although on occasion they have not been and this has caused party splits.

Anyway, there are factions in the Caucus. These are, of course, unofficial groupings and can change, they are little more then alliances of Caucus members. The most powerful grouping is Nidor’s faction, which is why he is the XPDP’s party leader. Nidor’s faction is closely allied with Gilda’s, which is more accurately a sub-faction of Nidor's faction, and is much smaller but growing rapidly and may one day challenge for leadership. Gilda's faction is just a grouping of Caucus members who are her close allies. Many of the parilamentary members of the XPDP are very impressed with Gilda, and view her as the best credible alternative to Nidor when he eventually retires.

All of the other parties have Caucuses too, though obviously they can't elect people to the Patriarchate since they don't have a majority of seats in the High Ecclesiarchy. They still use their Caucuses for electing parliamentary leaders, etc.

Next Caucus meeting is in late January... do you think Gilda will be ready to challenge by then? Hmmmm.

Xirnium, better post on your dellegation to the Torontian conference...

Xirnium, I see that you have decided to challenge those dictatorship backers like those of Doomingsland and MassPwnage. Those were the nations I warned you about. Both Doom and Mass are masters of air combat and land warfare, so good luck, and be prepared for a nasty beating.

I've challenged no one, only declared my enmity with the ViZionarian Executive.

Um, still, they BACK Villain, so if Villain decides to get Doomie and Mass (if they beat Questers and Praetonia, their longtime foes), get ready for a good fight...

Well sure. That's a different matter.

Hmm I was wondering what do you think the chances of an Inquisitiors operating in my country would be, since we actually ban tourism, do you think there would be any reason for your nation to send any to Antanjyl?

There would not presently be any reason for the Inquisition to devote resources to penetrating your nation's borders when currently there are other more pressing assignments for them.

Someone seems to be far too eager to bring trouble down on others, perhaps you should be careful and in case they decide to try their srength out on you, play with fire and you end up getting burned.

It's happened to Kraven with his "tools" turning on him.

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

He means someone just losing it from Xirnium’s arrogance and then trying to wipe Xirnium off the map (and doing substantial damage no matter which way the war goes).

I wasn't aware that Xirnium was arrogant, since it is generally isolationist and keeps to itself. That Xirnium has collected an impressive array of enemies is true, but to call them arrogant is just false.

I wasn't aware that Xirnium was arrogant, since it is generally isolationist and keeps to itself. That Xirnium has collected an impressive array of enemies is true, but to call them arrogant is just false.

Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder.

I wasn't aware that Xirnium was arrogant, since it is generally isolationist and keeps to itself. That Xirnium has collected an impressive array of enemies is true, but to call them arrogant is just false.

I have to agree. Xirnium is not arrogant (no more than is needed when war is threatened on them almost daily anyway).

What reasons do you all have for claiming otherwise?

My government doesn't see Xirnium as arrogant, as there's nothing to be proud of when you're dealing with masses of enemies on a frequent basis. So why do you think Xirnium is arrogant, Amestria?

The tone, the attitude, the cloak of moral superiority worn so blatantly... In addition, every single Xirnium character Amestrians have interacted with has oozed arrogance in their behavior, words, and actions.

At least as perceived by me...

Id hate to see what you though of my characters then if you think Xirniums act like that.

The tone, the attitude, the cloak of moral superiority worn so blatantly... In addition, every single Xirnium character Amestrians have interacted with has oozed arrogance in their behavior, words, and actions.

At least as perceived by me...
Since Amestria pulled that foolish stunt where they presumed to try in absentia and for murder a Xirniumite attorney simply for prosecuting Torontian warcriminals the Amestrian government has not exactly been popular with the High Ecclesiarchy.

You can appreciate that this might colour your view a little.

Besides, you've only interacted with a grand total of two characters. Cardinal Sabelina is known for her explosive temper and you did provoke her, so I don't think she acted arrogantly at all.

Since Amestria pulled that foolish stunt where they presumed to try in absentia and for murder a Xirniumite attorney simply for prosecuting Torontian warcriminals the Amestrian government has not exactly been popular with the High Ecclesiarchy.

You mean people you kidnapped!

You mean people you kidnapped!
Xirnium kidnapped no one, Amestria, the Xirniumite authorities worked together with the Saint Fedskians (who were the legal occupying power in the area) to extradite the Torontian warcriminals legally and with their permission.

Let's not let IC and OOC issues blend together people. AMF did suggest that in the Euroslavia Series of Helpful Hints (he wrote a few parts of it) and while it has not been officially endorsed by the mods AFAIK, they agree with AMF.

There would not presently be any reason for the Inquisition to devote resources to penetrating your nation's borders when currently there are other more pressing assignments for them.
A small part of me is disappointed by the fact that Antanjyl is not considered a threat(yet). Though the larger part of me is glad that nobody has taken the trouble to recognise the highly illegal slave trade and chemical/biological weapons testing the government has been doing!

I kidnapped no one, Amestria, the Xirniumite authorities worked together with the Saint Fedskians to extradite them legally and with their permission.

It was kidnapping, illegal extradition for nonsense crimes, done secretly. The prisoners would have been tortured if it had not been for International pressure and SF handed them over because Xirnium promised not to implement the death penalty (a promise ignored).

In addition, before that, when Amestria told Xirnium that it could not forcibly take prisoners from its area of occupation Xirnium called Amestria a "nation of gangsters!"

A small part of me is disappointed by the fact that Antanjyl is not considered a threat(yet). Though the larger part of me is glad that nobody has taken the trouble to recognise the highly illegal slave trade and chemical/biological weapons testing the government has been doing!

Don't be dissappointed. If you every become a threat i would be happy to wipe you from existence.

It was kidnapping, illegal extradition for nonsense crimes, done secretly. The prisoners would have been tortured if it had not been for International pressure and SF handed them over because Xirnium promised not to implement the death penalty (a promise ignored).

In addition, before that, when Amestria told Xirnium that it could not forcibly take prisoners from its area of occupation Xirnium called Amestria a "nation of gangsters!"

Thats called politics. You do what you need to get what you want.

Torture wouldn't have happened though.

Don't be dissappointed. If you every become a threat i would be happy to wipe you from existence.

Thanks Yallak.

Amestria, now you know better than to trust Xirnium with criminals. If something like that keeps happening eventually someone will take notice.

It was kidnapping, illegal extradition for nonsense crimes
Rubbish. Murdering innocent civilians is a nonesense crime, is it? The extradition was perfectly legal, we asked the Saint Fedksian authorities to hand them over and they did. Simple as that.

So what if the negotiations were conducted privately, they were not Amestria's concern and Amestria did not have a right to know about them.

The prisoners would have been tortured if it had not been for International pressure
Completely false, torture has been illegal in Xirnium for more then two centuries. You're confusing Amestrian propaganda with fact.

SF handed them over because Xirnium promised not to implement the death penalty (a promise ignored).
The Xirniumite government made an error in law, specifically that it could commute sentences. Nothing illegal was done though, it was Saint Fedski's decision to hand over the warcriminals to the Xirniumite Courts, and they did. Case closed.

In addition, before that, when Amestria told Xirnium that it could not forcibly take prisoners from its area of occupation Xirnium called Amestria a "nation of gangsters!"
That's right, because you harboured criminals.

Thanks Yallak.

Any time!

Let's not let IC and OOC issues blend together people. AMF did suggest that in the Euroslavia Series of Helpful Hints (he wrote a few parts of it) and while it has not been officially endorsed by the mods AFAIK, they agree with AMF.
Um, is anybody listening to what I said?

Amestria, now you know better than to trust Xirnium with criminals. If something like that keeps happening eventually someone will take notice.
At least the Torontian criminals got impartial trials in Xirnium, not a summary bullet to the back of the neck following capture like what the Amestrians consider to be justice.

Completely false, torture has been illegal in Xirnium for more then two centuries. You're confusing Amestrian propaganda with fact.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9880598&postcount=231

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9880608&postcount=232

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9880618&postcount=234


That's right, because you harboured criminals.

They were going to be shipped off to an impartial tribunal, and those that you did not take where.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9880618&postcount=234

Did you actually read it??

Yes, though torture is generally considered highly unreliable by Xirniumite courts. Torture is also no longer legal.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9880598&postcount=231
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9880608&postcount=232

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9880618&postcount=234

Exactly. And if you had bothered to read those links you would have found that torture is illegal.

What was not illegal, until fairly recently, was submitting evidence that was obtained via torture. That does not mean torture is legal, as I clearly indicated in the last post. The law about submitting torture evidence was a left-over relic from a past age with no modern relevence.

They were going to be shiped off to an impartial tribunal, and those that you did not take where.
To date you haven't tried any of them for crimes committed in Xirnium.

*sigh*

Since you bickering people have missed this post, I've decided to take it and set a bigger font, in bold, italic and red:

Let's not let IC and OOC issues blend together people. AMF did suggest that in the Euroslavia Series of Helpful Hints (he wrote a few parts of it) and while it has not been officially endorsed by the mods AFAIK, they agree with AMF.

Whats that Southeastasia? Did Timmy fall down the well again? ;)

*sigh*

Since you bickering people have missed this post, I've decided to take it and set a bigger font, in bold, italic and red:

Who cares what AMF wrote in Euroslavia's thread. THIS IS FOR OOC comments/arguing/whatever!

Very well, we will leave these disagreements to the IC arena, where my "arrogant" Cardinals can dismantle Amestria's arguments.

I will still respond to anything said about Xirnium that is incorrect, though. And that includes this nonesense about them kidnapping people or what have you.

Exactly. And if you had bothered to read those links you would have found that torture is illegal.

What was not illegal, until fairly recently, was submitting evidence that was obtained via torture. That does not mean torture is legal, as I clearly indicated in the last post. The law about submitting torture evidence was a left-over relic from a past age with no modern relevence.

I am convinced that Xirnium would have tortured them. Leftover relics have relevance; otherwise, it would not have been mentioned...


To date you haven't tried any of them for crimes committed in Xirnium.

I never got around to an IC post (the whole affair slipped my mind, what with the occupation of Torontia and school). Maybe I will post a news article where they mention the results of the trials in a passing manner...

*sigh*

Since you bickering people have missed this post, I've decided to take it and set a bigger font, in bold, italic and red:

Southeastasia I saw your post... Your habit of posting giant words when you feel ignored in annoying, quit it!

I am convinced that Xirnium would have tortured them. Leftover relics have relevance; otherwise, it would not have been mentioned...
Unlike Amestria, the government of Holy Xirnium actually follows its own laws. The Courts would never have allowed their violation. Your Courts may be political bodies, but Xirnium's aren't. You need only look at the numerous examples where they have had arguments with the High Ecclesiarchy to see that. Both Kahanistan, Saint Fedksi and Novacom, all close allies, have seen first hand that the Courts care only for the law, not what the High Ecclesiarchy or anyone else wants.

Fact is that torture was illegal, the trials were completely transparent and impartial, and the guilty were sentenced.

Whats that Southeastasia? Did Timmy fall down the well again? ;)
No. I wrote that down because not only Amestria and Xirnium dislike each other IC, it now seems that they also dislike each other OOC. And that is not a good thing for rping...

Fact was that torture was illegal, the trials were completely transparent and impartial, and the guilty were sentenced.

And overseen by Yallak, with its head of the courts DEFENDING those on trial.

And overseen by Yallak, with its head of the courts DEFENDING those on trial.
Exactly. So any claim that the trials were a sham is also a claim that the Infinite Empire was involved in sham trials. Why would the Yallakians and Lady Saroir besmirch themselves in such a way?

No. I wrote that down because not only Amestria and Xirnium dislike each other IC, it now seems that they also dislike each other OOC. And that is not a good thing for rping...

I would not say I dislike him/her OOC...

Speaking of which, did you want to continue that RP, Yallak, with Lady Saroir visiting Holy Xirnium or did we finish it?

Yallak TG...

Speaking of which, did you want to continue that RP, Yallak, with Lady Saroir visiting Holy Xirnium or did we finish it?

Well it was pretty much just for me to give you that stuff (which i will post the totals of what i sent to: you already know how many ships but i'll give you the numbers of tank etc). If you want to continue we can.

Seems more like a storm in a teacup, my comments weren't directed at Xirnium but at SEA, honestly what is the point at trying to coerce every large nation in the world not allied with Xirnium to try and destroy him?

I haven't revealed much about my own internal justice system or much else about my nations internal workings ICly, I may take an oppourtunity to do so in the future.

BTW Xirnium when do you want to do that Enforcer/Inqusitor Training Exchange, it's certainly an interesting time to be doing it what with a few recent developments being bandied about in terms of Psychic beacons and the like....

Replied to it Amestria

We can do the RP right now if you like. Do you have a character lying around who is willing to spend over a decade training at the Synod?

I imagine a similarly long period will be required for you to train a Xirniumite Black Skull Enforcer?

I do have one lying around actually, for both being sent off for training and a squad of initiates ready to train along your Inquisitor, only for the first 2 years however, after that the training is more personal, let's just say for the first 2 years you go through a lot of physical trials and will see a lot more of Novacom, Mental Prowess need not come at the expense of Physical Prowess.

Yallak...another TG...

Basic Inquisition training is like this:

-5 Years as an Acolyte (Physical, combat, mental studies, etc, training)
-10-15 Years training to become an Inquisitor (where you "re-learn" your skills and enhance them)

Very few people ever become Acolytes, and of those only the smallest fraction train to become Inquisitors. Fewer still actually become Inquisitors. I doubt your person will have a problem though.

Your candidate can start at the begining like anyone else, and we can use it as an excuse to see a lot of Holy Xirnium.

Seems more like a storm in a teacup, my comments weren't directed at Xirnium but at SEA, honestly what is the point at trying to coerce every large nation in the world not allied with Xirnium to try and destroy him?
Because he is a fine writer. I have nothing against Xirnium at all, but as a writer like everyone else on NS that rps, I want to read something ENJOYABLE, and since everybody that ends up in a conflict with Xirnium end up beaten and the all of which have so far, lack strategy, the military power and the writing ability to defeat Xirnium herself and her allies. So that's why I'm waiting for a fine writer that has a nation with a powerful military and strategy to engage him and his allies so that I can enjoy reading. It actually helps your rp reputation if you lose once in a while.

Because he is a fine writer. I have nothing against Xirnium at all, but as a writer like everyone else on NS that rps, I want to read something ENJOYABLE, and since everybody that ends up in a conflict with Xirnium end up beaten and the all of which have so far, lack strategy, the military power and the writing ability to defeat Xirnium herself and her allies. So that's why I'm waiting for a fine writer that has a nation with a powerful military and strategy to engage him and his allies so that I can enjoy reading. It actually helps your rp reputation if you lose once in a while.

You could always do it then instead of listing off all the peaople that could. Your reputation would have a boost from it too.

Basic Inquisition training is like this:

-5 Years as an Acolyte (Physical, combat, mental studies, etc, training)
-10-15 Years training to become an Inquisitor (where you "re-learn" your skills and enhance them)

Very few people ever become Acolytes, and of those only the smallest fraction train to become Inquisitors. Fewer still actually become Inquisitors. I doubt your person will have a problem though.

Your candidate can start at the begining like anyone else, and we can use it as an excuse to see a lot of Holy Xirnium.

So these Inquisitors are quite valuable... How many have died/been killed so far?

Also, how many Inquisitors are there in Amestria and what are they doing? (for future reference).

So that's why I'm waiting for a fine writer that has a nation with a powerful military and strategy to engage him and his allies so that I can enjoy reading. It actually helps your rp reputation if you lose once in a while.

And what about the innocent Xirniumites who just want to be left alone in peace to go about their daily lives, who don't like it that so many nations want to come in an exterminate them? What about the Xirniumites who are sick of war and death and suffering? What about the countless more Xirniumites who will be killed when a "nation with a powerful military and strategy" engages and defeats the Eternal Republic?

Have you no heart for them? :D

So these Inquisitors are quite valuable... How many have died/been killed so far?

Also, how many Inquisitors are there in Amestria and what are they doing? (for future reference).

I have only RPed one dieing, after leading an assault on a Kraven birthing facility with three other soldiers that succeeded in breaching it and transmitting the images to the world.

As far as I know the numbers of Inquisitors in Amestria should not have changed nor should their task of intelligence gathering.

Basic Breakdown

2 Years basic Training (Basic takes on a whole new meaning here)

4 years intensive training

6 years tutoring

1 year Isolation

2 final years

There is a "relativley" high fatality rate, considering the small amount who are eligible, however numbers are increasing at a steady rate, and with some new breakthroughs elsewhere the fatality rate looks set to decrease.

I doubt that things for the Holy Eternal Republic look set to calm down anytime soon, not with all the horrors that are on the horizon...

As far as I know the numbers of Inquisitors in Amestria should not have changed nor should their task of intelligence gathering.

How many where there again, it has slipped my mind...

I doubt that things for the Holy Eternal Republic look set to calm down anytime soon, not with all the horrors that are on the horizon...
Poor Xirniumites. Still, they are a remarkably optimisitic people considering that there are forces out there who would exterminate every last one of them given half a chance.

So, do you want to make the initial post or should I? To speed it up we could begin with our respective candidates arriving in either nation, and just assume all the details were ironed out by our governments.

How many where there again, it has slipped my mind...
It's at the start of this very thread.

Are there any Inquisitors in Yallak?

Are there any Inquisitors in Yallak?
Would there not be Inquisitors (among other Xirniumite officials) in Yallak on official business and known to the High Council, being that it is the central state of the Infinite Empire to which Holy Xirnium is a protectorate?

I'm not exactly sure of what the travel laws are between our two nations. There certainly wouldn't be any Inquisitors there clandestinely though.

Oh there are worse things than extermination, you should see what I have in store for Xharn, the groundwork has already been laid elsewhere, indeed if Destinus picks up speed again your represenative along with Yallak's may get shown Novacom's Answer to Capitol Police.

Of course Admiral Kukonois shouldn't be ignored either, he's brewing up something big heh.

You can do the first post if you wish I'm just hunting round for a map I've lost, one that if I find will be very useful in planning out specifcs of the traning. and sure I doubt there would have been many details to iron out, I'll propably end up sending someone with my character to meet with the Inquisition leadership.

By what process did they enter the country?

Would there not be Inquisitors (among other Xirniumite officials) in Yallak on official business and known to the High Council, being that it is the central state of the Infinite Empire to which Holy Xirnium is a protectorate?

I'm not exactly sure of what the travel laws are between our two nations. There certainly wouldn't be any Inquisitors there clandestinely though.

Yeah i figured there would be ones on official business or that the government knew about - i just wondered if you had any 'unofficial' ones keeping tabs on things etc

When it comes to Xirnium, there are no major restrictions on travel (just the standard entry laws: no narcotics, alcohol, foreign plants/animals/food/etc and the appropriate entry papers.

Oh there are worse things than extermination, you should see what I have in store for Xharn, the groundwork has already been laid elsewhere, indeed if Destinus picks up speed again your represenative along with Yallak's may get shown Novacom's Answer to Capitol Police.

Cool. Mabye you should just press on ahead in the thread and hope that everyone joins back in. Xirnium and I are still present so you've at least got us to continue with.

It is not something that I would be prepared to show to everyone, indeed I have plans to show it later on, propably an ajournment for the evening and show it then, I'll also use the same oppoourtunity to ICly brief you on Damocles.

Of course the Suprainister may talk about it, away from Hugoro but he certainly can't show it, it is too large to conceal in a pocket, and I had in mind only to show it to you and Xirnium, ICly my government doesn't know enough about the others in attendance to show it to them, however they will propably shown at a later date.

By what process did they enter the country?
I imagine as tourists, perhaps as asylum seekers or as migrants, business people from abroad, etc.

didn't Amestria say Tourism was banned?

I imagine as tourists, perhaps as asylum seekers or as migrants, etc.

Xirnium citizens have been temporarily forbidden by law from entering/residing in the country (Parliamentary retaliation for a lot of things). Therefore, if they are in Amestria they are underground...

It makes me wonder whether they would have entered as Xirnium citizens, they could have entered as Yallakians or Southeast Asians...

Either way it looks like another match into the tinderbox, I look forward to seeing it go off and participating (if possible) in the fallout.

I know there are Inquisitors operating in Kraven, but if i remember rightly Xirnium said 75% of Inquisitors Assets are against Kraven Interests, or something similar...

You could always do it then instead of listing off all the people that could. Your reputation would have a boost from it too.
There are reasons why I cannot do it ICly and OOCly.

First off, I'm not one for writing wars. I'm more the type for diplomacy and describing my government.

Second off, my government characters have no reason to invade Xirnium. They only attack when Southeast Asian lives are killed or their friends have been destroyed with mass brutality.

Lastly and a big reason why: look at my sig, the one about the Corporate Entente. That's my first major rp on NS, and the player being invaded, on the very first day, created a good open rp, made a lot of effort in his writing. His foreign minister killed a close friend of the PM of my nation, who is very much based on myself. And as a result, I grabbed my longtime allies and some states willing to assist me, and that player grabbed his own friends. Unfortunately, because he didn't know what the definition of 'trolling' was at the time, he was banned for a couple of weeks. Then just on the day his ban was lifted, the redirect to Jolt bug came in. I managed to figure my way around it when the problem was soon going to be fixed a few days later, and he couldn't. By the time it was fixed, he lost interest. Then he regained interest....the same time he applied for college, so he had no time at all to play NS. As a result, my first big rp and war is on hiatus.

I'm waiting for his return so that we can start a new signup thread and I can resume writing.

oh if need be I'm sure someone would forge evidence of Xirnium commiting maasacres on Southeast Asian's and assorted friends, the omnipresent Admiral would be certainly happy to oblige, causing havoc is his hobby and where is there more havoc than a war?

It makes me wonder whether they would have entered as Xirnium citizens, they could have entered as Yallakians or Southeast Asians...

Either way it looks like another match into the tinderbox, I look forward to seeing it go off and participating (if possible) in the fallout.

What is the fallout; if they are found, they will simply be arrested for immigration violations/false identity, tried, if found guilty serve time, and then be deported. All according to the law, I fail to see how it could become an international incident.

I'm referring in general to the situation, what with you raising your defence alert earlier somethings in the offing, this situation would merely be another fan to the flame.

I'm referring in general to the situation, what with you raising your defence alert earlier somethings in the offing, this situation would merely be another fan to the flame.

It won't happen until after Torontia, if at all (one reason is I would not have time to detail the Amestrian legal system).

ah yes the Torntian situation, it certainly looks impressive, depending on the war with Xharn the situation may not end up like that, then again I have something ready that none of you did heh. :p

Xirnium citizens have been temporarily forbidden by law from entering/residing in the country (Parliamentary retaliation for a lot of things). Therefore, if they are in Amestria they are underground...
It's unlikely that Inquisitors would try to enter Amestria with Xirniumite passports.

I would have offered Novacom Passports however such a thing doesn't exist, the ID cards work in that function, and I beleive there would be a considerable difference between a Novan Accent and a Xirnimite Accent.

I beleive there would be a considerable difference between a Novan Accent and a Xirnimite Accent.
Inquisitors can flawlessly mimic any accent, indeed any sound. A virtue of their complete and precise control over their vocal organs.

Inquisitors can flawlessly mimic any accent, indeed any sound. A virtue of their complete and precise control over their vocal organs.
Well human vocal cords can't even match any sound, so they would probably need some surgery done or something to allow them to get over that.

Well human vocal cords can't even match any sound, so they would probably need some surgery done or something to allow them to get over that.
Their ability to fully and consiously control their voluntary and involuntary muscular and nervous systems allows greater capability then an ordinary human might have, but still their may be engineering limits to what is possible. There may well be some sounds they can not match.

Xirnium, you missed this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10203617&postcount=210). And did you receive my TG?

ah yes the Torntian situation, it certainly looks impressive, depending on the war with Xharn the situation may not end up like that, then again I have something ready that none of you did heh.

Yeah but you our up agaisnt not only the Xharnian Royal Government but also the resistance movements that will want to take power once the royal Government is overthrown.

I have a list of them already worked out and you will be surpised who is leading the largest group...

That reminds me I'll be posting up that reply and the Psychic Invasion thread a bit later on.

Xirnium, when I posted my reply to the exchange thread up Jolt bugged out on me and I couldn't read half the posts in the forum for some reason did my response get posted up all right?

Xirnium, when I posted my reply to the exchange thread up Jolt bugged out on me and I couldn't read half the posts in the forum for some reason did my response get posted up all right?
I'm not sure, I thought so unless you made a new one, but I'll check and respond to that thread some time tomorrow. Got a fairly long post coming up.

Oi, if you still want to go ahead with our subterfuge against Kraven, do so here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462989).

Xirnium, what do you think of Joint Conglomerates as an rper? You can include other things (e.g. IC opinions) if you want.

Xirnium, what do you think of Joint Conglomerates as an rper? You can include other things (e.g. IC opinions) if you want.

Unfourtunately I've not seen any of Joint Conglomerates' work, I understand that he or she no longer RPs.

By the way, TG.

He says that he will the second that he can get a decent break from uni (he's giving all his energy and 210% effort in favor of NS rping, which I approve as RL takes precedence) and have enough energy to rp and write decent IC posts.

I'd say good olg SEA's up to something again :p

BTW Banduria has suggested something that's off on a completly different direction to what you originally had in mind hehe, you know what they say regional ties are thicker than TG's

No scheme at all Nova. So Banduria is an enemy...crap....oh well, maybe I'll talk to Xharn some more....

I've said I'll keep his suggestion in mind, I do intend to try and keep it relativley close to make sure that a massive international coalition doesn't form against Xharn, if I hadn't made it closed there would have been a massive dogpiling on Xharn instead of the so far evenly matched fight, which is about to heat up as things get serious.

Novacom, let's take it to TGs.

So Xirnium, have you decided to search for JC's works and make a judgment?

Nudge Xirnium, don't forget an Exhcange of ways and Destinus :P

So Xirnium, have you decided to search for JC's works and make a judgment?
I read that one in your signature, he or she seems quite good.

Nudge Xirnium, don't forget an Exhcange of ways and Destinus :P
Oh right, Destinus. Thanks for reminding me. I'll get right on it.

The player behind Joint Conglomerates is male. And I am really waiting for JC to return, I don't want Halberdgardia's agreement to trial the Federation's Board and such NS potential writing talent to go to waste. I'm going to make a new sign-up thread bringing back JC and his allies (one of them being The Kraven Corporation, part of the reason why Neo and his ministers criticized Xirnium at the time was because he felt that he had been beat to when putting the idea of an Anti-Corporatist Treaty Organization).

Xirnium, outta curiousity, are the names you created for your characters and cities from the Australian tribes? Because I get that feeling for whatever reason or so....

Any views on Antanjyl and our current war?

Xirnium, outta curiousity, are the names you created for your characters and cities from the Australian tribes?
By Australian tribes I assume you mean Aboriginal Australian tribes?

The answer is no. They are not taken from Australian tribes nor do I believe they bare any resemblance to them (not that I know anything about Aboriginal tribe names, though from what few I've heard of they tend to use the letter "J" a lot, which is a letter almost completely absent from Xirniumite proper nouns). To be honest I never even considered the possibility that you suggested.

If anything Xirniumite proper nouns might bare superficial resemblence to elvish words from Tolkien's books, but they are all original creations of mine.

Correct. The Australian Aborigines. So they're complete originals eh? But still, you have to have some sort of inspiration....what inspirations did you get when making up your nation's name and culture, history, etc?

What inspirations did you get when making up your nation's name and culture, history, etc?
The problem with Holy Xirnium is that, unlike many nations, I did not make up its history and culture all at once. As you know it started as an attempt to come up with a highly insane government, so I chose a theocracy where the leader believed himself to be a god and wanted to kill his own people for religious purposes. To be honest I'm a little embarrassed of those early days when I look back on them, but they are still part of Holy Xirnium's history, albeit the distant past.

After a short time I quickly became interested in the game and I decided I did not like the Xirniumite government at all (I felt sorry for the Xirniumites, funny how one can get attached to imagined people), so I set about turning it into a liberal democracy ICly. British constitutionalism was one primary inspiration (as I’m most familiar with it), since it seemed vaguely applicable (the British went from an absolute monarchy to a liberal democracy also). Today I'm proud to say that Holy Xirnium is one of the leading democracies in the world, and the people have civil and political freedoms unrivaled by most nations.

ICly, it is important to remember that the terrible years of Quikzos IV's dictatorship were only a short aberration of Xirniumite history. For most of its history Holy Xirnium had been a democratic constitutional monarchy with the High Ecclesiarchy supreme, a secular parliament dictating policy to the "God-Emperor" and the secular Courts ensuring that he didn't attempt to act outside his weak powers. However, Quikzos IV became increasingly autocratic and insane over the five year period of his rule, culminating in the events directly before the Xirnium-Kraven War.

Like so many people before and since, he underestimated the High Ecclesiarchy, and it cost him his life.

The High Ecclesiarchy learnt from the episode, and they destroyed the God-Ministry, the Clergy, and any other threat to popular sovereignty of the Xirniumite citizenry. Steps where taken so that liberal democracy can never again be threatened in Holy Xirnium.

However the change has been so dramatic, and very well done. Indeed it is very inspiring, it will be interesting to see what suprises are next in store.

BTW I know you have a lot of things to respond to but could you get round to Exchange of ways sometime :P

Also would it be acceptable you think to use Rey Anatos from War Undone by war, since I have an idea in mind for him, if it ever gets started up Fluid time would come in handy.

In speaking of the High Ecclessiarchy, do they still view the Neo Administration as a bunch of sycophantic, grovelling, self-righteous fools or not any more?

BTW I know you have a lot of things to respond to but could you get round to Exchange of ways sometime :P
Working on it. ;)

Also would it be acceptable you think to use Rey Anatos from War Undone by war, since I have an idea in mind for him, if it ever gets started up Fluid time would come in handy.
I think so, that RP seems to have died. I might pull out my Inquisitor as well next time I need one.

In speaking of the High Ecclessiarchy, do they still view the Neo Administration as a bunch of sycophantic, grovelling, self-righteous fools or not any more?
Their opinion has changed.

To what?

To what?
Maybe your delegate can ask them at the conference?

Fine. I'll do that the second McKagan gets his PC issues fixed and we can resume rping properly.

Excellent hehe, and I look forward to Destinus, I already have a very spectacular festival ready for posting, I have done some considerable development of my History through it, as well as added some more details, especially an individual who foreshadows in the times past a most terrible figure in times now.

It is a pity War Undone by War died, though Exchange of ways looks set to offer more depth.

The Conference looks set to be interesting, strange behaviour from the Eagle of my Diplomatic Corps, Sara Liscel looming on the horion and General Kitas who hates her is already dreading the conference.

In my case, I had some idea of my nation's history (as I come from Southeast Asia IRL, namely, from Singapore, but I reside in Hong Kong), and I thought that it would be interesting if the RL ASEAN were to turn from an international organization into a federal republic, and I have been considering of working in the government when I'm old enough.

And I suppose that it's a good thing that the High Ecclessiarchy doesn't view them as self-righteous, grovelling sycophantic fools anymore, as Neo can be a highly effective politician and can drown his opposition in a political sea of gore.

*ominious music plays in the background*

Any views on Antanjyl and our current war?
The High Ecclesiarchy maintains its aloofness towards what is a strange war in faraway lands. The time honoured doctrine of “Splendid Isolation” (one of the crowning achievements of Grand Cardinal Gilda) is perfectly applicable here. You will notice that, even though Holy Xirnium has civil and political rights that are much higher then many other nations that frequently go on crusades against injustice, Holy Xirnium rarely involves itself in wars for such reasons.

This is because as far as foreign policy is concerned the High Ecclesiarchy is concerned only with the interests of the Xirniumite people, and by extension with supporting its allies. Obviously, neither are applicable in your case. Though a Xirniumite Cardinal would never admit it, he or she believes that the lives of a thousand foreigners are not worth the life of a single Xirniumite citizen. The plight of innocent foreigners may wrench the heart of the Cardinals of the High Ecclesiarchy, but in the end there are many tin pot dictatoships around, and one must takecare of ones own people. Therefore, if wars are waged they are done so in the interest of Holy Xirnium and her allies, or not at all.

That said, the High Ecclesiarchy is disgusted with your government, which it views as a shameful violator of liberal civil rights (the most important thing that governments are supposed to protect, according to Xirniumite political theory). It would not engage in economic or diplomatic relations with a regime such as Antanjyl's