NationStates Jolt Archive

this thread is for the E20 roleplay, and limited to participants in that RP. Please check the main thread (Alternate History 1900-2000) if interested for details.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424002

the players
The Empire of China
The Union (Russia, Germany)
potentially others will get involved
plus the Rebels (communist and socialist groups)

Background can be found here
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10039121&postcount=154
and also here
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457200

Link to a crudely-edited battlemap (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/hrstrovokia/ChineseRevolution1.gif) showing the railroads and international borders recognized by Japan and the Soviet Union in the Summer of 1934.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/hrstrovokia/E20CCP.gif

Throughout the latter half of 1933, the Chinese Communist Party concentrated mainly on recruitment and organization, founding and facilitating the foundation of hundreds of Peasants’ and Workingmens’ Mutual Aid Associations and Trade Unions, which provide for education, healthcare, and financial assistance for members in need [OoC: Equivalent to Level III social spending for over two hundred million people for 1934].

Beginning 12 January, 1934, a massive wave of strikes and protests begin in both urban centers and rural areas, led by Communist Party organizers. The CCP demands the immediate implementation of the forty-hour work week, a minimum wage, reasonable industrial safety standards, universal primary and merit-based public funding for secondary education, and more controversially, socialization of agricultural land, the abdication of the Emperor, abolition of the nobility, and the establishment of a Democratic Republic of China.

The CCP also has harsh criticism for the supposed "concessions" the Imperial government has already made. Typical of these criticism is a statement by CCP leader Professor Chen Duxiu, delivered at a Student Union rally at Beijing University:

"This new program that Beijing has adopted only decentralizes the Chinese economy to give yet more power to the tyrannical capitalists and landlords who work us like animals, and the Imperial 'education and public health' inititiatives that have been proposed to pacify the people are nothing but an insulting pittance! The only purpose behind them is to provide training for a life of wage slavery and the means for prolonging that life as long as possible – at public expense, no less! In other words, Comrades, we pay through our taxes for our own education and healthcare, while the capitalists and landlords continue to reap the benefits by expropriating our labor to enrich themselves! Is this really any way to serve the people? We Communists say: No!

"The Emperor does not care about us, Comrades! He cares only about clinging to his own power! He talks about making China wealthy and strong, so as to take our rightful place in the world, but we must ask: Why are the Chinese poor? It is because we have for thousands of years enslaved the nation to serve one man. We Communists say that this is backwards. China will be wealthy and strong when the people are allowed to work for themselves. When enlightenment, democracy, and equality have spread throughout our land, China will be wealthy and strong.

"Comrades, the Emperor doesn’t give us our rights. The Emperor is like a bear standing in a stream, and our rights are like the fish that manage to escape the bear’s claws. Our rights will never be secure so long as the Emperor maintains his power, and China will never be great so long as we are burdened with a government that treats us like slaves! We must have democracy now!"

Meanwhile, in Mongolia and Xinjiang, rumours of a convergence of socialism and nationalism among the nomads are confirmed as "Red Basmachi" bandits begin raiding isolated government outposts and Han communities.

Interesting times, indeed.

THe reaction in France is an immediate debate between members of the opposing ideologies. Radicals on both sides aregue for the deployment of troops in support of either the rebels or the Imperial Chinese Government. Cooler heads argue about moral support and whether France should by supporing a country with such poor workers' rights. The answer from the PCC: yes.

A spokesmen from the party issued a statement, saying, "The Chinese Imperial government has always been France's ally in the Far East. We shold support them against this unlawful inserruction against their rightful goverenment."

However, Paul Ramadier, a leader in the fledgling PCFsays that the French governemnt should throw support behind the working men of China.

One thing is for certain: this will become a key issue in the upcoming elections and will be debated by parliament extensively.

ooc
China is not prepared for war.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9960466&postcount=692

map of China
http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~meizhen/China/china.jpeg

map of Asia (using same map from 2nd Great War)
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/fullimage/95677

The Chinese Emperor countered the Communist propganda with his own in a worldwide statement.

"The Communist Party demands as follows...

The CCP demands the immediate implementation of the forty-hour work week, a minimum wage, reasonable industrial safety standards, universal primary and merit-based public funding for secondary education, and more controversially, socialization of agricultural land, the abdication of the Emperor, abolition of the nobility, and the establishment of a Democratic Republic of China.

Most of these demands were going to be met starting in 1934, and only because China was able to expand its economy to sustain these necessary policies.

First, China's national effort program has ended in the year of 1933. There is no longer a need for 50-hour or longer work weeks, as China's economy has expanded to the sufficient level needed to maintain a 40-hour work week without losing productivity.

Second, a minimum wage and safety standards are already being implemented as the year 1934 begins as China shifts from its national effort mode to a normalized economy such as France, United States, the Union, and such. Working conditions will drastically improve every year from this point onwards, as China has no need for a national effort program anymore.

Third, efforts are being undertaken to provide secondary education as China's economy becomes able to sustain decent education systems. After all, educating over 500 million people is no easy task, as opposed to the Americans educating its 130 million people, or the Union educating its 200 million people. This effort will require considerable amounts of economic resources.

Fourth, China has already implemented a democratic government. The Chinese people are free to elect officials, mayors, councilmen, and all sorts of positions of leadership. Chinese villages, towns, cities, and provinces are allowed to implement their own laws according to their own needs. The only position that is not democratically elected is the position of Emperor.

Finally, the Chinese Emperor will not end thousands of years of history, heritage, and culture by abdicating. You might as well ask the Japanese Emperor or the monarchy of Great Britain to abdicate or dissolve themselves, respectively. The only time that the Chinese Emperor shall interfere with the Chinese democracy is times of war and with the veto power which the Emperor rarely uses. This is no different than the American president's power of veto, and being Commander-In-Chief of the American military. The Emperor has never pursured personal wealth nor riches, as he is only interested in making China a great nation as it once had been centuries past.

China simply could not sustain high living standards unless these tremendous efforts were taken between the years of 1927 and 1933. According to Chinese economists, China's Economic Index was 56 at the end of the year of 1926. A decent living standard that the Communists have been asking would require an Economic Index of 160 or more to implement. Therefore, China needed to triple its Economic Index to be able to afford both a decent living standard for its 500 million citizens as well as keep its defense forces funded. Thus, it became necessary for China to undertake the national effort program so that it will be able to pass the barrier of 160 economic index.

Now that China's economic index passed 160 in the year of 1933, the Chinese workers and peasants will no longer have to be subjected to harsh conditions that were required to triple China's economic index. The Chinese people will be able to enjoy higher standards of living solely because of this very effort between 1927 and 1933. Without this effort, it would have taken China until 1950 or 1960 before it could pass the 160 mark, which means several more decades of sub-par living standards if not for these 7 years of toil and effort.

The Communists need to realize that without this effort, they would have far more to be upset about. They would still be suffering low living standards well into the 1950's or 1960's. As it stands now, they, along with the entirety of the Chinese people, will be able to enjoy substantially better living standards starting in 1934 and far better off than they were back in 1926 or earlier."

While the Vietnamese people support our Chinese comrades in their struggle for freedom, we also urge them to try and find peaceful ways to achieve their goals, maybe via political routes rather than resorting to bloodshed which will only inflame the tensions between the sides and get innocent people killed.

Chinese military officials react strongly to protests in their areas, not waiting for orders from the Imperial government to do so. Garrisons in Beijing, Kunming, Lanchow, Mukden, Shanghai, Canton and Tientsin rapidly intervene, and use force, including tear gas, rifle butts and bayonets and sometimes bullets to break up the demonstrations.

However, the Army is not in the least prepared for bandit activity in Mongolia or the 4 western provinces of Xinjaing, Xijang, Qinghai, and Ghangsu. Nor is it prepared when the Tibetians start demonstrating as well.

The Army demands that the Imperial government divert resources to enable it to raise mobile troops to deal with the rebels. A few Imperial advisors warn the government that the Army and the large landowners and capitalists are willing to find a more suitable candidate for Emperour if their demands aren't met.

The Navy also demands that it be allowed to take up positions to secure the coasts.

In some areas the Socialists and Communists actually seize control. Militia units pop up in Port Arthur, Hong Kong, Si-an, Hangchow, Nanking, Kweiyang, Chunking, Chengtu, Ulan Bator (consisting of Mongolian nationalists), Lhasa (Tibetian nationalists), Urumchi (Turkmani nationalists), and Harbin.

ooc
1 militia unit each, combat rating of 2. Chinese garrison units have a current value of 4 points each. Garrison units can be converted to 3 point infantry corps for free, but garrison units cannot move except by strategic redeployment, an option the Chinese government does not have at the moment as the railroad workers are on strike. The Chinese government also has fighter units in Shanghai and Canton, and fleets in both locations as well. The Army wants to immediately raise 12 infantry corps, 3 headquarters, and 6 cavalry corps to deal with the bandits and the communists (which they are lumping together). Some Imperial advisors also want to devote resources to creating a secret police and internment camps.

The following economic effects take place at once. The Imperial government has 5 factories each at Shanghai, Canton, Mukden, 3 factories each at Peking, Tientsin and Lanchow, and 2 factories at Kunming. This generates 26 points a 2 month turn once China is able to go to war economy. For 1934, this is halved, as China is unready, so China gets 13 points a turn.

The Rebels have 1 factory each in the areas they control, giving them 12 points a turn, which they just used to create militia units. They are also recieving assistance from the Union, although a lot of it is wasted setting up supply networks and some is lost due to interception by government forces.

All Chinese planned builds for 1934 will have to be refigured. However, the Chinese Imperial government does not have to pay maintenance for its military forces this year.

This revolution has been funded, sponsored and is being supported by the Union, and the Chinese Imperial government will rapidly figure this out. Conventional measures are not going to work. The Rebels think they can take the country. The Imperial Army thinks they can break the rebels.

Guess we will find out.

tag for later response.

Hu Shi, widely regarded as the most moderate and least doctrinnaire of the CCP leaders, dismisses the Emperor’s conciliatory statements as irrelevant.

"The Emperor is confused indeed if he thinks he understands the nature of our grievances, let alone their proper solution. We are not in the least bit concerned about his economic analyses, his protestations of poverty. The Emperor hasn’t worked in the factories. The Emperor hasn’t worked on the farms. The labor of the people is not going towards improving China, but merely filling the pockets of brutal rich men.

"Perhaps he has begun to ‘undertake efforts’ to improve the lot of ordinary Chinese people. But it is too little, and too late. He seeks only to perpetuate a system in which we work for his wealth, in any case.

"His 'democratic reforms' have been a miserable joke – what the Imperial government does not control directly, local strongmen do.

"The Emperor says he does not wish to abandon the past. He is welcome to it – it is where he and his kind belong.

"We are for China’s future."

The French government issues a condemnation of the brutal methods used by the military to break up the peaceful demostrations. Leon Blum makes a speech, which is broadcast to the nation.

"The right to free speech is held sacred by many countries, including France, the United States, and the United Kingdom. The esteemed Emperor of China is attempting to Westernize his country, but apparently his military advisors do not see fit to allow for a free and democratic government. They would like to see all opposing viewpoints crushed under the iron heel of a military dictatorship, keeping the Emperor merely as a mouthpiece for their twisted regime. France condemns the brutal acts undertaken by the Chinese military! I urge the Emperor to resist these usurpers and follow the voice of the people!"

A large group of radical Communists depart Paris by train, intending to travel to China and fight for the Communist rebels. They call themselves the "Liberty Brigade". Some are veterans of the Second Great War and many carry their own weapons, mostly 98ks or MAS-15s. A similar group leaves France by boat. However, they go to volounteer for the Chinese military.

French citizens are urged to leave China to avoid danger and several consulates close. However, the rimary embassy remains open. The security detail is reinforced with a platoon of the FFL.

The United States government issues a travel advisory for China, and urges all Americans to leave the country.

The outbreak of fighting has an immediate impact on Chinese finances. Loans from the West dry up as bankers now view China as a high risk environment.

In Cambodia and Laos, local leaders begin quietly approaching the Vietnamese to see if liberation from Chinese rule is a possibility.

The Vietnamese government find the idea of a united south east asia most appealing and forsees that it would be the right thing to do, that if things in China became unstable, to sieze the moment and protect our comrades from harm.
However this would not be possible as Vietnam in its present state does not have a military to speak of only poorly trained NLF militia. The DRVN would therefore be incapable of defending our comrades against any imperialist backlash.

The Vietnamese government find the idea of a united south east asia most appealing and forsees that it would be the right thing to do, that if things in China became unstable, to sieze the moment and protect our comrades from harm.
However this would not be possible as Vietnam in its present state does not have a military to speak of only poorly trained NLF militia. The DRVN would therefore be incapable of defending our comrades against any imperialist backlash.
The Union would pledge support to the DRVN's administration over the regions of Laos and Cambodia.

Following the American lead the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office immediately issues advice against travelling to China and urges all British and Commonwealth citizens in China to immediately make their way to the nearest British Embassy or Consulate and travel arrangements wil be made for them to leave the country.

TOP SECRET IC to Vietnam: The British government secretly approaches the Vietnamese leadership suggesting that in dangerous times such as these it may be adviseable to increase the effectiveness of ones military. Perhaps the British can assist you in this matter? Arms and supplies could easily be supplied to you from nearby British outposts, as the cause is so noble Britain would be honoured to offer you a fairly hefty discount. British companies can supply any weapon you may need including but not limited to BREN guns, Rifles, Pistols, Grenades and even artillery pieces. Just let us know if you are interested.

Emperor Hirohito took the news of communist revolts in China very seriously. He would make sure the revolts went the way he thought before he took any significant action, but Emperor Hirohito ordered the Japanese military to high alert.

The largely Socialist Governemnt of Rumania voices sympathy for the Communist rebels, but condemns the violent tactics used by both the military and the Communists. Many wish to see stability restored in China, hopefully under the Emperor, as the Rumanian king is still in power.

Emperor Hirohito took the news of communist revolts in China very seriously. He would make sure the revolts went the way he thought before he took any significant action, but Emperor Hirohito ordered the Japanese military to high alert.
Red Army units in Siberia and the Far East are placed on alert, but Soviet reserves are not activated.

Warsaw issues an official statement declaring that it considers the Chinese uprising an internal matter, and does not contemplate interfering on either side, though the Sovereign People's Council passes a non-binding "Resolution of Support" for the CCP, and introduces measures to the Federal Assembly that, if adopted, would allocate humanitarian assistance to populations in war-torn regions formally under Chinese sovereignty.

Kaiser Maximilian strongly condems the violence though he reminds the world that violence has been necesary, if unpleasent, in the past for the greater good of the people.

Several government officials, League of Nations Delegate Bela Kun included, begin to quietly buy larges amounts of surplus heavy weapons from the Hungarian government and various European nations. While quiet back-room approches are made to Chinese rebels, both communist and non, nothing has come from it yet.

The Union of South Africa, through its League of Nations delegate Jozua François Naudé, has formally announced its neutrality in this matter. South Africa has no love for either emperors or communists, and sees no reason to endanger South African soldiers on any adventure in the Far East.

In related news, there have been clashes between police and ethnic Chinese in Transvaal. Many Chinese are very vocal in their opinions about the conflict in China, being split roughly 50-50 in favor of the emperor or the communists. The communist sympathizers often illict a faster police response than the pro-imperials.

The Kingdom of Bulgaria calls for its non-necessary personnel to leave the Empire of China immediately by the orders of Queen Catherine I and the Empire's Consulate in Sofia. Bulgaria shall be neutral in this matter, but feels that the people of China should decide their fate with the best judgment and reason necessary... We will also provide humanitirian aid and help to the Chinese people as well no matter what political, religious, social, or any other orientation grouping they are along with the Red Cross/Red Cresent and other medicial organizations...

The Socialist Federation of Jugoslavija must protest the handling of the situation by the Chinese government. Though the workers and oppressed peoples of the various lands under Chinese control are crying out, the Emperor does not hear this. The Yugoslavian Embassy is therefore acting as observers in the crisis, and has already witnessed many acts of brutality by both sides.

Yugoslavia only hopes that the Emperor will see the error of his ways and seek asylum, while standing down as leader of China.

The Middle Eastern Union Government orders all its citizens that are in China to leave China, alright away and also, the oil shipments to China will not be stop, yet the MEU Govt wants Imperial Chinese Govt reassure that its ships would be safe while in dock in Chinese ports.

The Chinese Navy begins blockading rebel held ports shortly after fighting breaks out, without waiting for permission or instructions. Chinese warships also begin stopping merchant ships near the Chinese coasts, even though official notifications have not gone out that a blockade is in place.

Initially things go reasonably well, with only a few minor incidents and the occasional shot across the bow until January 28, when in the Formosa Straits, a Chinese torpedo boat squadron led by a pair of destroyers intercepts a Japanese flagged freighter. Nearby is a Japanese destroyer, the Shigure, and it races to the scene. The weather is hazy and it is nearly dark as the Japanese ship comes on the scene. A Chinese gunner aboard one of the torpedo boats fires of a shell and because of the poor visibility the Japanese destroyer captain, Lieutenant Commander Takeo Kurita mistakes the shot as a shot fired at him.

He immediately orders fire to be returned and maneuvers to fire a spread of torpedoes while signalling in plain language over the wireless for the freighter to run for help. As it happens, a Japanese flying boat out of Formosa is also in the area and it too spots the gun flash from the Chinese vessel and with the knowledge that a friendly warship is in the area assumes that it is directed at the Shigure (as the frieghter Manila Maru at this point is hidden in the haze). He also attacks.

Several torpedoes and several hundred rounds later, the freighter Manila Maru is sinking after a Chinese torpedo breaks her in half, the Shigure is limping away with half her crew casualties and only one gun remaining in action, and 3 Chinese torpedo boats and a Chinese destroyer are burning and sinking. To make matters worse, the flying boat got out an attack signal before anti aircraft fire set her fuel tanks on fire and it has crashed into the sea as well.

Meanwhile, in Shanghai, a mutiny breaks out on several cruisers but is brutally put down by loyalists. However, a heavy cruiser disappears in a fiery and catastrophic explosion as a communist mutineer sets off the forward magazine as the upper decks are being cleaned of mutinuous crewmen.

Japan, after learning of the Chinese attack on a Japanese freighter, destroyer, and airplane, has issued the following statement:

"It has come to the attention of Japan that a Japanese destroyer, completely without provocation, was attacked by Chinese warships. Following this aggressive assault on our destroyer came another, more sinister one on a Japanese freighter, also without provocation. A flying boat of ours, also defending its comrades, was shot down.

The Empire of Japan demands an official apology, reparations for all Japanese equipment lost, reparations for the crew members's families, an end to the harassment of Japanese shipping, and the recall of all Chinese ships to port. Should these conditions not be met, Japan will have to deal with the matter on its own."

After heated debate in Parliament, the Romanain governemtn has dispatched a the 12th Motorised Division to China, via the Trans-Eurasian railroad. The division is to assist legitimate government troops in putting down the Communist uprising.

Message to the Soviet Union
The government of Rumania realises that the desiscion to assist in putting down the rebellion in China may not be a popular descision in the Soviet Union, but we hope that it will do nothing to mar our friendly relations.

yours,
Prime Minister Gheorghe Tătărescu

After heated debate in Parliament, the Romanain governemtn has dispatched a the 12th Motorised Division to China, via the Trans-Eurasian railroad. The division is to assist legitimate government troops in putting down the Communist uprising.

Message to the Soviet Union
The government of Rumania realises that the desiscion to assist in putting down the rebellion in China may not be a popular descision in the Soviet Union, but we hope that it will do nothing to mar our friendly relations.

yours,
Prime Minister Gheorghe Tătărescu

ooc
will the Union allow this to occur? Otherwise it will have to be sent by ship (takes 11 weeks vs 2 weeks by rail)

ooc (per instructions)
turn 1 January February Chinese Imperial government builds: 13 points available, 6 Infantry corps, 1 garrison unit (provide another one for Peking). All garrison units remain in place. Fighters remain in place, and all cruisers and battleships remain in harbor. Destroyers and torpedo boats are at sea unless recalled, and are blockading rebel held ports. Rebel builds: 12 points, 6 infantry corps plus 12 Union points to convert 6 militia to garrison units.

Chinese government begins seeking arms on the world market, specifically aircraft.

(the US is willing to sell old B10 medium / naval air bombers, A12 attack / naval air bombers, and P26 fighters, which it has in large surplus numbers)

After heated debate in Parliament, the Romanain governemtn has dispatched a the 12th Motorised Division to China, via the Trans-Eurasian railroad. The division is to assist legitimate government troops in putting down the Communist uprising.

Message to the Soviet Union
The government of Rumania realises that the desiscion to assist in putting down the rebellion in China may not be a popular descision in the Soviet Union, but we hope that it will do nothing to mar our friendly relations.

yours,
Prime Minister Gheorghe Tătărescu
While we make no secret among our friends of our preference for the Revolutionary cause in the Chinese Empire, nevertheless we are sincere in our view that this is an internal matter for the citizens of China to settle for themselves. However, despite our disappointment in the fact that even some of our closest allies may not share our perspectives on the subject, the Union will not interfere with the passage of Romanian soldiers through our territory, though once within Chinese territory of course we cannot guarantee their safety.

The Union, too, hopes that our longstanding friendship will endure this trial.

- Herman Müller, Union Minister for Foreign Affairs

Debate continues to rage in Parliament about interference on either side. Curently, the debate is leaning towards the legitimate government after on prominent SFIO member pointed out that interfereing on the behalf of the rebels would be likethe United States interefering on behalf of the Rightists during the coup over ten years ago.

Private arms manufacturers have begun shipping weapons to the Cinese military.

We thank our Union allies for their compliance on this matter.
Prime Minister Gheorghe Tătărescu

A group of transports has set out for Chinese ports, in order to insure that should the railroad become closed, the Romanian troops have a way to get home.

OOC: Too much for me to handle all at once as I came home from work and bam! all these posts about a war all of a sudden. I'll try to answer each major issue the best I can.

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1. China sends a message to Japan, informing them that the legimiate Imperial government was merely attempting to blockade the rebels. The accounts of the surviving Chinese sailors stated that the Chinese vessels apparently mistook the Japanese frieghters and their escort as rebels, due to the fog and haze.

Formal apologies and reparations will be sent promptly. The Imperial Chinese government never has and never will sanction any attacks upon Japanese vessels intentionally or on purpose. Thus, the only Chinese attacks upon the Japanese will come from these godless communist rebels.

2. Funding is granted to the Imperial Chinese Military to build defenses and an attack force to eliminate the uprising.

3. Direct my loyalist naval assets to bombard the rebels in Port Arthur, and retake the city with the Romanian motorized infantry, along with my fighter air support.

4. Build infantry and HQ's as soon as possible, then cavalry units. Secondary objective afer the recapture of Port Arthur is to retake Mukden.

5. Execute the leaders of the mutinies, but place mutinous officers and soldiers in prison.

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Is there any other issues that I need to address?

Three rebel movements on the frontiers declare secession from the Chinese Empire in January and February.

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Xoca Niyaz Haci, a Uyghur resistance fighter, is declared President of the Republic of Eastern Turkestan. President Niyaz claims all of Xinjiang as the territory of the new state, and promotes a Jadidi (Islamic progressive) ideology, similar to that of the (Soviet) National Democratic Republic of Turkestan.

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Peljidiyn Genden, a member of the Mongolian People’s Revolutionary Party, has been acclaimed Premier of the People’s Republic of Mongolia, claiming both Outer and Inner Mongolia as the domain of the People’s Republic.

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In Tibet, local freedom fighters with impronounceable names declare themselves the Regency Council for the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Tibet, under the nominal leadership of the Dalai and Panchen Lamas.

OOC: I forgot to add one thing though. This has to do with a heir that I was trying to figure a week or two ago. I apologize for the crappiness lately, but I'm overwhelmed right now and trying to handle everything.

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The Chinese Emperor has discovered a Han wife who is strong-willed and able-bodied which should provide the Emperor with a viable heir. In doing so, he has decreed that the age old taboo of non-marriage between Hans and Manchus is now null and void. His statement is as follows...

"True love knows no boundaries, let it be political, cultural, or ideological."

In the Middle Eastern Union, The standing policy of the MEU Government under President Mustafa Kemal Pasha was not take sides on Chinese Civil War. Yet many elements of the MEU Govt and parties were secretly supporting the Republic of Eastern Turkestan, by sending arms and funds to the Rebels. These supports of the Eastern Turkestan, were mainly the Pan Islamicist and Pan Turkish elements (aka Young Turks). They were even sending retire MEU officers to Help the Eastern Turkestan...They doing this against the standing policy of MEU Government.

Three rebel movements on the frontiers declare secession from the Chinese Empire in January and February.


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In Tibet, local freedom fighters with impronounceable names declare themselves the Regency Council for the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Tibet, under the nominal leadership of the Dalai and Panchen Lamas.

OOC: Wouldn't the Dalai Lama be all "No violence!"?

President Francisco von Baden has seen the recent events take place in China, so we are willing to send 5,000 men of are regular forces to take back Hong Kong from the evil communist. They have ruined this great country. Our regular forces will destroy the traitors. Our men are already crossing the ocean and will land at Hong Kong to take back the city. When the ship gets there they will pick up any Mexican citizens who want to leave and the ambassador with his other people at the embassy.

OOC: Wouldn't the Dalai Lama be all "No violence!"?
No. Tibet's been at war plenty of times.

President Francisco von Baden has seen the recent events take place in China, so we are willing to send 5,000 men of are regular forces to take back Hong Kong from the evil communist. They have ruined this great country. Our regular forces will destroy the traitors. Our men are already crossing the ocean and will land at Hong Kong to take back the city. When the ship gets there they will pick up any Mexican citizens who want to leave and the ambassador with his other people at the embassy.

the Mexican Army doesn't feel that this is a good idea El Presidente, as the Chinese have a large navy and the Republic of Mexico does not.

Several trains full of Rumanian troops travel through Russia and eventually enter into western China via the Great South Asian Railroad (occ, well its not the TransSiberian railroad after all). Soon after crossing the border they are never heard from again. A few weeks later, Turkmani rebels in western China are observed to be using Rumanian vehicles, artillery and infantry weapons.

ooc
you won't find out what happened until the war is over but for now they are missing and may be presumed dead or captured. The Rebels have seized the railroads in western China.

Several trains full of Rumanian troops travel through Russia and eventually enter into western China via the Great South Asian Railroad (occ, well its not the TransSiberian railroad after all). Soon after crossing the border they are never heard from again. A few weeks later, Turkmani rebels in western China are observed to be using Rumanian vehicles, artillery and infantry weapons.

ooc
you won't find out what happened until the war is over but for now they are missing and may be presumed dead or captured. The Rebels have seized the railroads in western China.


OOC: WHoa...whoa....You're telling me highly trained and well armed Rumanian troops got beat by Turkmani rebels? AN entire divison of Rumanian troops, their artillery, trucks and light tank battalion just got swallowed up?

IC: The response to the dissapearnce of the 12th Motorised Divison is immediate. The remainder of the 2nd Corp (2 More Motorised Divsions) is prepared to embark on transport ships and move by sea to China. Their mission is to firstly, assist the Chinese government, and more importantly, find out where the hell an entire division of troops went.

In light of the recent transgressions, Colombia has decided to enact its mutual defence treaty with China.

These three nations are/have declared war on the Military-Ally of Colombia, and therefore, Colombia must (and is quite willing to) come to the aide of its Chinese brothers.

20 Destroyers (of 40) will be sent to escort 1 Infantry Division, 1 Mechanized Division, and 1 Alpine Division.

Should any of the Colombian so called "loyal" generals suggest that this is unwise, The Government would remind them that there is such a thing as a domino effect, and should China fall to the red menace... Colombia could follow. Capitalism needed to take a stand, and China would be the battleground.

OOC:

What the? That ambush on the Rumanian corps is way too convinent. I posted what I wanted the Rumanian corps to do, and I don't see how a ragtag band of militia can destroy a whole mechanized corps.

At this rate, I bet these super-militia will destroy all my military forces in one night or something. :headbang:

OOC:

What the? That ambush on the Rumanian corps is way too convinent. I posted what I wanted the Rumanian corps to do, and I don't see how a ragtag band of militia can destroy a whole mechanized corps.

At this rate, I bet these super-militia will destroy all my military forces in one night or something. :headbang:

OOC: A Motorised Division, actually. Plus an armored battalion and artillery. Chatzy?

THe dissepearance of an entire Rumanian division sends Parliament over the edge. [OOC; Hey! They're killing white people!] They order the deployment of the French Foreign Legion to China by ship, supported by air elements. The transports will be escorted by two of France's crusiers (the Kirov and the Libertie) and five destroyers. It will be made clear that they are coming to the Chinese government and they will give them their course to avoid any unfortunate incidents reminescent of the Japanese. They will get in contact with the Rumanian governemnt and convoy with them to China.

In the meantime, an overland expedition is prepared. It will comprise the crack 1st Alpine Division supported by a light tank battalion, supported by fighter and bomber craft. They will travel to the Chinese border by train, then disembark and establish a base camp along the border. They will, of course, ask the Soviets for permission to set up camp and get Soviet permission to conduct a search and rescue misssion for the Rumanians.

The Colombian Alpine corp looks forward to working with the experienced and hardened 1st French Alpine Divison.

The Union strongly advises both the French and Romanian governments to reconsider their commitment to the escalation of this conflict. Their present policy will only result in further loss of life.

The Union strongly advises both the French and Romanian governments to reconsider their commitment to the escalation of this conflict. Their present policy will only result in further loss of life.

France notes that China is one of it's closest allies inthe Orient, and that France will support the legitimate government, just as it would support the legitimate Russian governemnt were it to be attacked by rebels.

OOC: WHoa...whoa....You're telling me highly trained and well armed Rumanian troops got beat by Turkmani rebels? AN entire divison of Rumanian troops, their artillery, trucks and light tank battalion just got swallowed up?

An entire division, traveling by train through enemy territory thousands of miles away from their homes, in unfamiliar terrain? Yes, they got beat.

Seriously, you want to back off before this gets too ugly.

France notes that China is one of it's closest allies inthe Orient, and that France will support the legitimate government, just as it would support the legitimate Russian governemnt were it to be attacked by rebels.
The Union reminds Paris that the legitimate Russian government was attacked by rebels, in 1911, just as the legitimate French government was attacked by rebels in 1789.

The Union will henceforth consider any foreign activity in China to be an infringement of the rights of the Chinese people to determine the course of their own destiny.

The Red Army is mobilized.

An entire division, traveling by train through enemy territory thousands of miles away from their homes, in unfamiliar terrain? Yes, they got beat.

Seriously, you want to back off before this gets too ugly.

Fine...I'm not gonna argue.

OOC: WHoa...whoa....You're telling me highly trained and well armed Rumanian troops got beat by Turkmani rebels? AN entire divison of Rumanian troops, their artillery, trucks and light tank battalion just got swallowed up?
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as far as you would know at this point.. yes. Perhaps the Russians heard something on the radio.

The Union reminds Paris that the legitimate Russian government was attacked by rebels, in 1911, just as the legitimate French government was attacked by rebels in 1789.

The Union will henceforth consider any foreign activity in China to be an infringement of the rights of the Chinese people to determine the course of their own destiny.

The Red Army is mobilized.


Bucharest sadly notes that they are only trying to assist a friendly nation, but orders their troops withdrawn.

Message to the Chinese Government-Top Secret
Unfortunately, we must withdraw support. Our large "friend" to the North seems to think that our helping you is not in good taste.

With Sincere regrets,
Prime Minister Gheorghe Tătărescu

OOC:

What the? That ambush on the Rumanian corps is way too convinent. I posted what I wanted the Rumanian corps to do, and I don't see how a ragtag band of militia can destroy a whole mechanized corps.

At this rate, I bet these super-militia will destroy all my military forces in one night or something. :headbang:

I got specific orders regarding those Rumanians pretty much as soon as they were committed, so yes, it happened that way. Those orders came in before yours did actually.

Okay, off for the night. We'll see what develops from here.

And I know I'm pretty hated right now - as I probably should be. But you have to admit this is very interesting.

The Mexican troops have stopped in the port of Manila in the Philippines. It will take them five days to get to Hong Kong. The General that is commanding the troops sends a telegram to the Chineses Government.

"We have a force of 5,000 men to come and attack the traitors in the city of Hong Kong. We request you don't fire on our ships. We have also come to get our ambassador and everyone at the embassy. These cowards will be soaked in the color of red."

OOC: GB How could the rebels have gotten ahold of a ship? I'm helping the Chinese government get rid of the rebels.

Declaration of War

The incompetent Chinese government has failed to secure its nation against ill-trained militias in outlying provinces. Japan is highly alarmed by this situation, and Japan occupy invade China and install a new, more competent emperor to rectify this situation. Following the coronation of this new emperor and this rebellion's defeat, Japan will remove its troops from China and allow the Chinese people to control their own destiny.

(OOC: Mwuhahahahahhaha!!)

EDIT: You've got mail, GB

Declaration of War

The incompetent Chinese government has failed to secure its nation against ill-trained militias in outlying provinces. Japan is highly alarmed by this situation, and Japan occupy invade China and install a new, more competent emperor to rectify this situation. Following the coronation of this new emperor and this rebellion's defeat, Japan will remove its troops from China and allow the Chinese people to control their own destiny.

(OOC: Mwuhahahahahhaha!!)

EDIT: You've got mail, GB

OOC:

This is a direct contradiction of the Japan that Council of Clan built and RP'ed. China and Japan are supposed to be growing closer, after all, Japan and China didn't declare war aganist each other in Great War 2. To have Japan declare war out of nowhere over several sunk merchant vessels and a warship, and after China actually said "We apologize and will pay for new ones"? The Japan that Council of Clan RP'ed between 1900 - 1930's would have not been so quick to jump the gun.

This is a complete 180 degree reversal of Japan's policy towards China, and it would require a major coup or such within Japan for this reversal to occur.

OOC:

This is a direct contradiction of the Japan that Council of Clan built and RP'ed. China and Japan are supposed to be growing closer, after all, Japan and China didn't declare war aganist each other in Great War 2. To have Japan declare war out of nowhere over several sunk merchant vessels and a warship, and after China actually said "We apologize and will pay for new ones"? The Japan that Council of Clan RP'ed between 1900 - 1930's would have not been so quick to jump the gun.

This is a complete 180 degree reversal of Japan's policy towards China, and it would require a major coup or such within Japan for this reversal to occur.

ooc
a major coup isn't unreasonable, after all, the Japanese had them all through the late 1920s and early 1930s.

ooc
a major coup isn't unreasonable, after all, the Japanese had them all through the late 1920s and early 1930s.

Yes, but apparently there hasn't been one in Japan and it hasn't been RP'ed out or "declared" yet.

Case in point: The Japanese Emperor was attending the Shuri Conference between China and Russia in December 1933. Then the Japanese suddenly go off on China when just one or two months previously, Japan encouraged China to resolve its affairs.

That aside, I need to TG you something important that influences this entire war and rebellion.

HIGHLY SECRET IC:

British arms and equipment have begun arriving in India in bulk, they are in crates designated as equipment and ammunition for the Indian army and are offloaded directly onto trains headed for the North of the country. The weapons are marked as faulty with an official seal and noted that they have been sold privately (to avoid any difficult questions later on). There they are handed over to the custody of the Indian government and steadily make their way to the Himalayas where they are secreted across the border by local porters through passes into the hands of the Chinese rebels, particularly the Tibetans. It is hoped that they will manage to avoid Chinese border guards, if caught on the issue Britain will deny all knowledge of arms sales and claim that they were purchased privately.

When questioned about the increase in arms traffic to India an MoD official replies that they are assisting the Indian army in increasing their capabilities particularly since the Civil War in China and events in Bhutan have shown the destability of the area.

OOC: This has been done with prior consent from Lightning Star as the middle man and has been approved by GB as war mod.

Spain will send humanitarian aid to the people of China and when all is said and done and only one government remains we will help with the rebuilding.

OOC: The Shuri conference had ulterior motives, actually. I was debating on whether to nab Emperor Gouzu there, or just invade like this. The last Japanese player, I believe, even wanted to invade you. He simply feared American (or other) retaliation. So if one cannot just take you, then one must use your resources in the next best way: alliance.

A coup is not even neccesary. Historically, the Japanese military has had veto power over the formation of cabinets since 1900, and I'd have to assume that militarism would be strong in the Imperial Diet. Emperor Hirohito, many say, had very little control over the military in WWII.

The Imperial Way Faction, and other groups that came before it, were military parties that aimed to control the civilian government. The military wants to expand, and for a long time the military has been getting more and more powerful in Japanese politics.

All it'd take is to get Sadao Araki as Prime Minister of Japan, and y'all are probably screwed. Oh, and the guy that he would probably historically replace, Saito Makoto, would be serving out his term right now.

But the last Jap player made his own 180 degree turns. Look at the end of WWII. He went from being Russia's enemy into an ally with warplans just overnight. And look at his attitudes towards Korea. In a very short time he went from actively plotting to invade Korea (the assassination of the Empress occuring in 1895) after winning a war with China to being Korea's and China's best friends. If that can occur, then I suppose it is just as likely that Japan could flip-flop once again. As it has done in this timeline multiple times with multiple nations.

Do to both Russia’s and Romania’s mobilization, the Hungarian army has been completely mobilized and placed on high alert. Also, both mechanized divisions have been transferred to Szeged and Debrecen respectively.

Okay. I understand what you're saying Fluffy. I'm still overwhelmed about this whole thing so I need to make sure I understand everything that is going down.

Somewhat Secret:

The French governemnt has begun shipping tanks, artillery, planes, and small arms to the Chinese military by ship. The planes are D.510s and LN.411 divebombers. The artillery ranges in caliber from 75mm to 150mm, with a few heavier pieces. The small arms include rifles, light machine guns, and the new anti-tank rocket launchers. The tanks are various types, th most preavlent being the R-35 light tank, with Somoua S-35 medium tanks as the next most common. Accompanying the shipments are French military instructors.

With the revelation of an impending Japanese invasion, the FFL and arms shipments are ordered to divert through Vietnam and fight their way through southern China, after permisssion has been obtained from the Vietnamese. The Vietnamese government is reminded that France is providing them with strong economic aid and that aid could quite easily be cut.

The French military is mobilized in response to the mobilization of the Red Army.

ooc
Japan is being perfectly reasonable as far as accurate RP in attacking China. After all, historically, the Japanese military ignored the civilian government and took over Manchuria. It also started a war with China. Both occured without government permission. In addition, the Japanese military essentially took over the government using its unique constitutional position (which I have already discussed elsewhere and Fluffywuffy has also mentioned) to do it. That said, in this game, we have an unsatisfied Japanese military that performed very well in the 2nd Great War and Japan got exactly nothing out of it. Wary of attacking Southeast Asia as the US and Britian have made very strong stands regarding defending that area, Japan has to look elsewhere for its imperial ambitions. Siberia didn't work out, so that leaves China, a weakened China with a relatively weak and outdated army, a fleet large enough to threaten Japanese trade but not strong enough to defeat the Japanese Navy, and lots of recently developed industry and resources.

If I had been playing Japan I would have taken on China a long time ago.

War is not just about defending yourself. Most wars occur because of greed, fear or misunderstanding and we have all three conditions here. War between Japan and China is thoroughly reasonable. In addition, I too read the Shuri Conference thread and determined that exactly nothing was agreed to by any of the three players (except that a recess was needed). Russia pulled out of its defense treaty with China, and Japan said exactly nothing of substance.

As to Russia (the Union but principally Russia in this case) supporting a liberation movement in China. The Union set aside a vast amount of points for this purpose, and spent all of 1933 preparing for this, even while conducting talks with China. The Union was prepared to get what he wanted at the table but didn't expect to do so, and prepared accordingly.

The Union and Rebels gained strategic surprise on China, which does happen. Its rare, but certainly has plenty of historical precedent.

In short, IC wise, there is more than sufficient justification for war. Although there appear to be OOC motivations as well, I am not going to rule against a war that has more than adequate IC motivation and is true to history.

Finally, an additional IC reason to attack China (if you are Russia or Japan). China has the potential to be a huge threat to either or both in combination, and neutralizing China now while it is militarily weak has a number of things going for it. After all, OOC wise, that is why the US IC picked a fight with the Warsaw Pact at the start of the Great War, and it worked out pretty well from the LTA perspective.

The Japanese have declared war on China, and orders from Japan are to launch military operations 30 minutes after that against China. Expect posts regarding that later today.

OOC: The Shuri conference had ulterior motives, actually. I was debating on whether to nab Emperor Gouzu there, or just invade like this. The last Japanese player, I believe, even wanted to invade you. He simply feared American (or other) retaliation. So if one cannot just take you, then one must use your resources in the next best way: alliance.

A coup is not even neccesary. Historically, the Japanese military has had veto power over the formation of cabinets since 1900, and I'd have to assume that militarism would be strong in the Imperial Diet. Emperor Hirohito, many say, had very little control over the military in WWII.

The Imperial Way Faction, and other groups that came before it, were military parties that aimed to control the civilian government. The military wants to expand, and for a long time the military has been getting more and more powerful in Japanese politics. When

All it'd take is to get Sadao Araki as Prime Minister of Japan, and y'all are probably screwed. Oh, and the guy that he would probably historically replace, Saito Makoto, would be serving out his term right now.

But the last Jap player made his own 180 degree turns. Look at the end of WWII. He went from being Russia's enemy into an ally with warplans just overnight. And look at his attitudes towards Korea. In a very short time he went from actively plotting to invade Korea (the assassination of the Empress occuring in 1895) after winning a war with China to being Korea's and China's best friends. If that can occur, then I suppose it is just as likely that Japan could flip-flop once again. As it has done in this timeline multiple times with multiple nations.


OOC: Japan actually had a more democratically elected government. The guy I had in power had been assassinated and replaced with the guy i sent to Naval Conference on Laws of the Sea. Yes the military still was strong in this japan but not to the same degree. And About the Invasion of china, yes I did say I didn't want to do it because of American Backlash, but I also wanted to do it, because to keep my empire intact I never wanted to fight a prolonged war in China or Southeast Asia. And as a Player I wouldn't be declaring war in this situation. What gain would it have to my government, its primary Goals were the Dutch East Indies and the Phillipines, and to have my troops involved elsewhere when i went knocking on the US's door would have been suicide. And my High Command knew it.

Lots of different things caused my government to act in different ways. First, I never secured an Alliance with Britain, the british Player sort of Snubbed me bigtime on that. I never acquired the Large Island Empire from Imperial Germany(The USA beat me too it) I allied with France for the longest time until I felt betrayed(Uruguay) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuyoshi_Inukai)
btw way, it took the Assassination of this That guy to take democracy away from Japan and put Tojo's boy's in power.

France levels an economic embargo against Japan in response to their decleration of war and halts all shipments of French goods. Japanese frieghters are turned away at French ports.

OOC: Japan actually had a more democratically elected government. The guy I had in power had been assassinated and replaced with the guy i sent to Naval Conference on Laws of the Sea. Yes the military still was strong in this japan but not to the same degree. And About the Invasion of china, yes I did say I didn't want to do it because of American Backlash, but I also wanted to do it, because to keep my empire intact I never wanted to fight a prolonged war in China or Southeast Asia. And as a Player I wouldn't be declaring war in this situation. What gain would it have to my government, its primary Goals were the Dutch East Indies and the Phillipines, and to have my troops involved elsewhere when i went knocking on the US's door would have been suicide. And my High Command knew it.

Lots of different things caused my government to act in different ways. First, I never secured an Alliance with Britain, the british Player sort of Snubbed me bigtime on that. I never acquired the Large Island Empire from Imperial Germany(The USA beat me too it) I allied with France for the longest time until I felt betrayed(Uruguay) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuyoshi_Inukai)
btw way, it took the Assassination of this That guy to take democracy away from Japan and put Tojo's boy's in power.

its goes back further than that... the Japanese became blatantly expansionist as early as the Russian Revolution historically (they had to be pressured out of Siberia for example). In any case, Fluffywuffy is not required to keep the same plans or even government that Clan had. As long as a reasonable historical justification exists, and there does, Japanese moves against China are reasonable.

a more thorough look at Japanese political history in the 20th Century can be found here
http://users.lac.uic.edu/~dturk/japanhistory/showahistory.html

although by far the best sources are writers such as John Toland, and the extremely thorough history on the Japanese Army "Soldiers of the Sun"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679753036/qid=1133892306/sr=8-15/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i12_xgl14/002-4816715-6184865?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

which is about as thorough a look at the Japanese Army and its effect on the society and government of Japan that exists.

SECRET IC:

In the Chinese capital, the French diplomat quietly approaches the Emperor and informs him that the French government is prepared to shelter him in the French Embassy and then take him incognito to France should the capital be overrun by Japanese troops. He is also informed that the French cannot possibly hope to fight the Japanese in defense of China. The distance is too vast and the Japanese navy too strong.

The FFL is recalled, but arms shipments continue as long as possible. The French army stands down.

The French Emabssy is currently under guard by a company of French regulars (mechanized), including three armored cars, halftracks and a machine gun platoon, as well as a platoon of the FFL which was recently deployed in response to the uprisings.

By the middle of February, the Japanese fleet was at sea, with battlegroups well of the coast of China in the North and South China Seas. The Japanese Army also mobilized and troops began loading aboard transports in Japan itself.

Much of this of course was spotted, and Chinese fleets concentrated at Shanghai and Canton where they had the benefit of fighter cover. However, it also essentially forced the Chinese to maintain its blockade of rebel controlled ports with its torpedo boat fleet (ooc which is large but relatively expendable).

In the outlying portions of the Chinese Empire, Chinese control slipped away quickly. In Tibet the borders opened up as Chinese border guards were driven away or killed. In Sinkiang, the Turkish tribes control the entire country side outside of a few outpost and the same occurs in Mongolia. In Mongolia and Sinkiang some horrendous massacres occur as the locals drive out ethnic Chinese that had been settled there by the Imperial government and are very willing to loot, kill and rape to get even with past scores. Savage ethnic fighting breaks out as ethnic Chinese and local militias fight it out. However, the Rebels have the important edge of having plenty of arms, while the Chinese militias were dependent on the Army, most of which is far away and busy in any case.

A steady flow of arms begins to arrive in Tibet from India, while ships from France, Russia, and Australia begin putting into port in Vietnam. As the Rebels completely control the entire northern border of China, the arms already on the way from Russia easily reach Rebel groups in Manchuria, Sinkiang and Mongolia, and some manage to reach Rebels operating further south. However, the Great Wall is actually useful in this instance in slowing the flow as the Imperial Army is able to use it as a barrier.

Neither side is really ready for offensive operations yet however, and the sudden declaration of war by Japan after China fails to address part of its ultimatum (ooc, Japan demanded that the Chinese Navy return to port and China failed to address that point).

On March 1, 30 minutes after the delivery of a declaration of war, Japanese forces begin launching attacks against the Chinese Navy.

(ooc, more on that later).

The pro-rebel volounteers, the Liberty Brigade, has reportedly arrived in southern Russia along the Mongolian border and is attempting to contact rebel leaders.

Pro-Rebel volunteers from Spain have reportedly arrived in Mongolia to assist in the fight against Imperial China. Federación Anarquista Ibérica is an anarchist federation that wants to assist the communist and socialist uprisings in mongolia and Turkmenistan. Many of these men are experienced in battle and veterans of both the Second Spanish Civil War and the Second Great War. They have enough supplys to last them four months after which they will have to switch to illegaly smuggled arms from any forces smuggling arms to Mongolia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/CNT_FAI_flag.png

In contrast to the Romanian troops, the volunteer brigades from France and Spain will get through both Union and Rebel-held territory with every courtesy and make contact with rebel forces easily.

OoC
I'm publishing this here, because I know there's a lot of animosity and accusations floating around. I want to make it absolutely clear that it is understood that there are sound, IN-CHARACTER reasons for the Soviet support of this rebellion.

1) Although the Emperor managed to prolong the life of the Qing Dynasty (renaming it Tian in the process) diplomatically during the Boxer Rebellion, Guozu never dealt with any of the modernization movements that, in RL, provoked and won the 1911 Revolution in China. The underlying causes of that Revolution were never dealt with in E20, and so remained active into the 'Thirties. A rebellion was thus historically inevitable sooner or later. Democratic reforms were mentioned, but Sharina always explicitly pointed out how limited they were in scope, and their effects were never RP'd even once. No Speaker of the House in China was ever named, no political parties were ever mentioned, and no speeches or characters came out of Chinese "democracy," so it's fair to assume that the reforms were ineffective, and that the Chinese Imperial government remained basically as authoritarian and corrupt as it was historically. Thus, again, the underlying causes of the rebellion were never effectively dealt with.

2) The Russians, unlike the Germans, never liked the Chinese. You’ll notice that Trotsky, who was basically in charge during the War (and still is), never talked to the Chinese at all. Their imperial system disgusted him, so he left it to underlings. Moscow is a socially progressive power, while the Chinese Empire is highly conservative. Moreover, due to Point 1, there, the Imperial government effectively remained backwards and tyrannical, since no serious reforms were ever undertaken. The alliance with the Chinese during the Second Great War was strictly one of convenience for Moscow, and a rather distasteful one at that, undertaken because Russia didn't want to face the Japanese alone in the Far East. Since the Russians had to face the Japanese alone in the Far East anyway, that just showed Moscow that the Chinese were worthless as allies. In other words, the Russians are pissed off at China IN-CHARACTER. It doesn't matter how legitimate the Emperor's reasons were for his indecision. The Russians don't care, so Sharina, please stop trying to explain them to me. The Russians. Don't. Care.

3) Finally, given that a Revolution was historically inevtiable anyway (if you'd studied Chinese history, Sharina, you'd know how Imperial China endured literally dozens of huge, violent rebellions constantly towards the end, there), and given that the leadership of the Soviet Union is at best indifferent and at worst downright hostile to the Chinese Emperor, and given the fact that the Chinese Imperial Army is pathetically underfunded and obviously incapable of defending the Empire, it is in fact totally reasonable for the Union to support a Chinese Revolution. IN-CHARACTER.

I don't want to hear any more about it.

TOP SECRET IC to Vietnam: The British government secretly approaches the Vietnamese leadership suggesting that in dangerous times such as these it may be adviseable to increase the effectiveness of ones military. Perhaps the British can assist you in this matter? Arms and supplies could easily be supplied to you from nearby British outposts, as the cause is so noble Britain would be honoured to offer you a fairly hefty discount. British companies can supply any weapon you may need including but not limited to BREN guns, Rifles, Pistols, Grenades and even artillery pieces. Just let us know if you are interested.

We agree with you and have already started to create a military to defend our border and fellow South East Asian comrades. However we are in no shape for any conflict yet and would greatly appreciate any aid that you are willing to offer.

Many thanks.

Prime Minister,
Nyugen Ai Quoc

ooc
Not to mention that the only time Russia has ever been conquered, it was conquered from the East by the Mongols, who also used sizeable contigents of Chinese mercenaries. To this day in the real world the Russians are only seriously terrified of one potential enemy.. the Chinese.

Incidently, Great Britian has indicated it intends to supply the rebels in Tibet.. need some points spent for that to happen. (figure 4 to create 2 infantry corps or 8 to create 2 mountain corps, which are ideal Tibetian troops anyway). The same applies also to British support to Vietnam.

The US is allowing Imperial China to purchase American aircraft, weapons, artillery and vehicles. But the US will not supply those without China paying for them. This would allow China to create tech level 6 air and ground units, but the cost would 1 point to the US for every 2 points spent on those units by China (as we don't really have a rule to represent huge cash payments, its all I can think of). The same rule applies to any other purchases of arms. If your nation can't build it, and wants it, it is buying it or is being supplied. You buy it, you are spending economic wealth for security, which isn't an unreasonable trade off. But its still a trade off. This rule will also allow us to simulate similar situations later on as the 20th Century continues.

I'm going to have my Chinese Emperor take up the French offer and evacuate himself, along with his wife and his heirs to France to establish a government-in-exile. Thus, I will still have my Emperor and Tian Dynasty in one form or another even though he will not be able to govern China anymore.

I'm going to have my Chinese Emperor take up the French offer and evacuate himself, along with his wife and his heirs to France to establish a government-in-exile. Thus, I will still have my Emperor and Tian Dynasty in one form or another even though he will not be able to govern China anymore.

Should that occur, the landowners, industrialists and the Army will appoint somebody to take up the position (as a puppet) or declare a republic and they will keep fighting. Chang Ki Shek is the best choice, as he is around now, and was amazingly effective until he got old and too corrupt (later on). Something to remember, the Nationalists were within a hairsbreadth of beating the Communists in 1947 when US pressure (sigh) forced the Nationalists to pause just short of outright military victory and enter talks. The Communists then took the opportunity to regroup and proceeded to take Manchuria later that year, ensuring eventual victory.

A definite US oops.. oh well. So don't underrate Chang Ki Shek (however you spell that, I have seen a variety of spellings over the years and none are easy to remember without immediately looking them up each time).

I'm going to have my Chinese Emperor take up the French offer and evacuate himself, along with his wife and his heirs to France to establish a government-in-exile. Thus, I will still have my Emperor and Tian Dynasty in one form or another even though he will not be able to govern China anymore.

One night, the Emperor and his family are quietly evacuated to the French embassy by [OOC: If this doesn't work, tell me. I'd assume the Emperor's personal guard would help.] elements of the Chinese Imperial Guard and a platoon of French regulars. The following day, a platoon of French troops, the French Foriegn Legion platoon, French staff, and several diplomats set out for Vietnam by road, as the Eastern coast is likely to be crawling with Japanese troops. Secreted in one of the staff cars, dressed in western clothing and with hats pulled down over their faces, is the Royal Family.

The convoy is made up of three half-tracks, each carrying a squad of men, four trucks caryying the FFL platoon, an armored car, and four staff cars carrying the Royal Family, French staff, and several French officers armed with pistols and submachine guns. Fake passports have been made up indicating that the Royal Family are French citizens of Chinese descent working for the Embassy.

OOC: Before these go into effect, are the roads to Vietnam clear or are they controlled by rebels?


IC: Back in the Capital the French Embassy begins evacuation procedures, burning pertinent documents and preparing code-books and radios for destruction. The gates are firmly locked and armed guards patrol the perimeter. French citizens are allowed in.

OOC: You probably shouldn't be too sure about the roads at the northern border of Vietnam especially around Lao Cai where the NLF commanders are known to sympasize heavily and work with the rebels.
So even though the government has allowed you to be there, if the northen NLF get even the slightest hint that the Emperor is with you, then the rebels will not only know about it but also probably be let through the border to ambush you on the other side.

OOC: You probably shouldn't be too sure about the roads at the northern border of Vietnam especially around Lao Cai where the NLF commanders are known to sympasize heavily and work with the rebels.
So even though the government has allowed you to be there, if the northen NLF get even the slightest hint that the Emperor is with then the rebels will not only know about but also probably be let through the border to ambush you on the other side.

OOC: Hmmm...

IC: The convoy now heads for Canton, where a French passenger ship waits.

[QUOTE=Galveston Bay]
In some areas the Socialists and Communists actually seize control. Militia units pop up in Port Arthur, Hong Kong, Si-an, Hangchow, Nanking, Kweiyang, Chunking, Chengtu, Ulan Bator (consisting of Mongolian nationalists), Lhasa (Tibetian nationalists), Urumchi (Turkmani nationalists), and Harbin. [QUOTE]

ooc
anything within 250 miles of these cities is under Rebel control. Looking at the World in flames and the regular map, there is a railline that goes from Peking to Kunming or to Nanning that will get the Chinese Imperial Royal family out of China to Vietnam, or to either Tientsin or Canton to meet that passenger ship.

Imperial Japanese Forces March 1, 1934
Japanese Imperial Army
6 infantry corps, 6 reserve infantry corps, 2 fighter, 1 bomber, 3 pilots, 2 garrison units (Formosa, Sakkalin)

IJN
Japan has 7 tech level 6 battleships (modernized)( Nagato, Mikasa 5/6/4/4, Fuso, Yamashiro, Hyuga,4/4/4/4 Kirishima, Haruna,4/3/6/5, 2 Tech level 6 battleships (Yamato, Mushashi 6/9/5/5), 4 tech level 6 (modernized) fleet carriers (Akagi, Kaga 1/3/5/4, Kongo, Hiei 1/2/6/4), 4 tech level 6 carriers (Hiryu, Soryu 0/1/6/5, Shokaku, Zuikaku 1/3/7/6), 9 tech level 6 modernized heavy cruisers (Furutaka, Kako, Nachi, Myoko, Kitsugari, Aoba, Kinugasa, Haguro, Ashigara, 1/2/7/5), 9 tech level 6 modernized light cruisers (Kimu, Naara, Yubari, Sendai, Kitakami, Oi, Kiso, Naka, Jintsu 1/1/7/4), 10 tech level 6 destroyers (1 light ship), 120 tech level 5 destroyers (6 light ship units), 40 tech level 5 submarines (2 submarine units) 3 carrier fighters, 4 carrier torpedo bombers, 3 carrier dive bombers, 10 carrier pilots, 1 4-engined naval air unit, 1 2-engined naval air unit, 2 pilots, 1 marine corps, 16 shipping units, 1 amphibious fleet,

Deployment
Northern Fleet (covering Yellow and East China Sea)
Battle Force: Battleships Yamato, Mushashi, Nagato, Mikasa, light cruisers Kimu, Naara, 20 tech level 5 destroyers plus invasion fleet of 1 amphibious fleet, 2 transports (taken from 2 shipping units), carrying 1 Marine corps, 1 infantry corps
Striking Force: Carriers Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku, heavy cruisers Furutaka, Kako, light cruiser Yubari, 20 tech 5 destroyers plus 2 carrier fighters, 2 carrier torpedo bombers, 2 carrier dive bombers
Blockade Force: heavy cruisers Nachi, Myoko, light cruisers Sendai, Kiso, 20 tech level 5 destroyers plus 20 submarines


Southern Fleet (covering South China Sea)
Battle force: Battleships Fuso, Yamashiro, Hyuga, light cruisers Oi, Kitakami, 20 tech level 5 destroyers
Striking Force: Carriers Kongo, Hiei, heavy cruisers Kitsugari, Aoba, light cruiser Naka, 20 tech level 5 destroyers, 1 carrier fighter, 1 carrier torpedo bomber
Blockade force: heavy cruisers Kinguasa, Haguro, Ashigara, light cruiser Jintsu, 20 tech level 5 destroyers, 20 submarines

Plus 1 2-engined naval air unit (Nell torpedo bombers) out of Formosa

In reserve
Home Fleet (Tokyo Bay)
Battleships Kirishima, Hiei, 10 tech level 6 destroyers, 1 4-engined naval air unit (Mavis flying boats)


The Japanese take up station and begin attacking Chinese warships at sea as well as launching a massive airstrike against Shanghai aimed at sinking half the Chinese Navy in harbor.

ooc
more on this a little later

[QUOTE=Galveston Bay]
In some areas the Socialists and Communists actually seize control. Militia units pop up in Port Arthur, Hong Kong, Si-an, Hangchow, Nanking, Kweiyang, Chunking, Chengtu, Ulan Bator (consisting of Mongolian nationalists), Lhasa (Tibetian nationalists), Urumchi (Turkmani nationalists), and Harbin. [QUOTE]

ooc
anything within 250 miles of these cities is under Rebel control. Looking at the World in flames and the regular map, there is a railline that goes from Peking to Kunming or to Nanning that will get the Chinese Imperial Royal family out of China to Vietnam, or to either Tientsin or Canton to meet that passenger ship.

OOC: Right. Altered orders:

IC:


One night, the Emperor and his family are quietly evacuated to the French embassy by [OOC: If this doesn't work, tell me. I'd assume the Emperor's personal guard would help.] elements of the Chinese Imperial Guard and a platoon of French regulars. The following day, a platoon of French troops, the French Foriegn Legion platoon, French staff, and several diplomats set out for Peking, as the Eastern coast is likely to be crawling with Japanese troops. Secreted in one of the staff cars, dressed in western clothing and with hats pulled down over their faces, is the Royal Family.

The convoy is made up of three half-tracks, each carrying a squad of men, four trucks caryying the FFL platoon, an armored car, and four staff cars carrying the Royal Family, French staff, and several French officers armed with pistols and submachine guns. Fake passports have been made up indicating that the Royal Family are French citizens of Chinese descent working for the Embassy.

Once in Peking, the FFL troops, several French officers, the French diplomats and the Royal Family take the train south to Nanning. Form there, depending on the situation in Canton, they will either go to Canton and evacuate by ship or, if Canton is overrun, take the train to Hanoiand the French Emabssy there. From Hanoin they will reach the coast and evacuate by ship.

The French regulars return to the capital and assist with evacuation procedures. [OOC: Is it Bejing? I'm not sure.]

Back in the capital the French Embassy begins evacuation procedures, burning pertinent documents and preparing code-books and radios for destruction. The gates are firmly locked and armed guards patrol the perimeter. French citizens are allowed in.

I select Chiang Kai Shek as the Imperial successor to the Emperor who is now fleeing to France to remain alive along with his family. Thus, Chiang will lead the Chinese Imperial Forces from this point on while Hu Shui is head of the rebel forces (I believe according to Vas).

Thus the Imperial type of government is no more for the time being, replaced by Chiang Kai Shek and his Republicans / Capitalists / Industralists (if Chiang's side wins the civil war). If Chiang wins, he will implement a full democracy system similiar to the US, UK, France, etc.

Beijing and Peking are the same thing, I'm pretty sure.

ooc
Peking and Beijing are the same.. it depends on the date of the map you are using.

Chiang Kai Shek doesn't take over immediately, as although he is wily as hell, he won't have enough seniority to take over in traditional Chinese society. However, he would be both rich and influential and was a capable general (not brilliant, but reasonably effective.. remember he did keep China in the fight against China for nearly 10 years and damn near beat the Communists on several occasions. The Long March happened because he pocketed the communists and nearly wiped them out before a cadre broke out and escaped).

IC
Soon after the Emperour leaves, the leaders that remain become aware of the situation. Unwilling to divert resources to hunt for what they now believe to be a traitor and a fugitive, as well as a defeatist, the Chinese leaders declare that the Emperour has abdicated and after several hours of discussion set up a Junta to run the country until a President or an Emporour or a Regent can be found. They also order the Navy to repel the Japanese invaders or die trying and also secretly send feelers to the various rebel groups to form a national unity government to defeat the Japanese.

They ignore the Turks, Mongols and Tibetians for now, figuring they have bigger problems closer to home to deal with.

French arm shipments continue across the Vietnam border.

General Alfred Valenzuela was on the deck of one of the five ships waiting to attack Hong Kong. Each ship had one thousand army soldiers inside waiting to fight. Soon it was going to be 3:00 A.M. and they were going to attack. The ships moved in during the night about five miles away. General Valenzuela heard the wooden row boats that would care the men into Hong Kong. Each of the main ships had 25 row boats, which carried 40 men. At 3:00 the men loaded into the boats and went off in the direction of Hong Kong. The 125 boats made their way and onto the shore. General Valenzuela hope that this mission would be a sucess. Once they captured the city docks they were suppose to get the ambassador and his staff and any other Mexican citizen wanted to leave.

OOC: GB can you say what happen in the city of Hong Kong since you seem to be the person who is RPing the rebels?

General Alfred Valenzuela was on the deck of one of the five ships waiting to attack Hong Kong. Each ship had one thousand army soldiers inside waiting to fight. Soon it was going to be 3:00 A.M. and they were going to attack. The ships moved in during the night about five miles away. General Valenzuela heard the wooden row boats that would care the men into Hong Kong. Each of the main ships had 25 row boats, which carried 40 men. At 3:00 the men loaded into the boats and went off in the direction of Hong Kong. The 125 boats made their way and onto the shore. General Valenzuela hope that this mission would be a sucess. Once they captured the city docks they were suppose to get the ambassador and his staff and any other Mexican citizen wanted to leave.

OOC: GB can you say what happen in the city of Hong Kong since you seem to be the person who is RPing the rebels?
Actually, they'll probably get blown up by harbor mines before they ever get near the shore. And those that escape the mines will be shredded by machine-gun fire.

OOC:

I don't believe I had any mines in the Hong Kong area, unless those mines were leftover British mines from way back during the Great War 2.

Unless the rebels somehow were able to manufacture these mines, have the raw material to do so, the technical know-how, and do it all in 2 or 3 months.

Actually, they'll probably get blown up by harbor mines before they ever get near the shore. And those that escape the mines will be shredded by machine-gun fire.

The Mexicans actually manage to make it ashore onto Victoria island in the early morning hours. But as dawn breaks, they are spotted and soon Chinese Workers Militia begin pouring into the area by the thousands (ooc: as there are over 50,000 militia present, this isn't a problem). Ancient British guns are pulled out of warhouses and they open up on the freighters and boats, while wave after wave of militia charge the Mexicans. It is a disaster.

Unable to retreat, the 1,000 Mexican soldiers who made it ashore are killed or captured, while several hundred sailors and soldiers are killed or wounded on the transports. With no choice, the 5 Mexican ships are forced to retire as they lack the ability to provide more than token gunfire support and the constant rain of shells is getting lucky periodically and inflicting serious damage to the converted merchant ships.

Within a few hours, Peoples Revolutionary Courts determine that the Mexicans are little more the mercenaries, and the few hundred survivors are taken out in groups and shot as pirates. A few of the most seriously wounded are spared, but in all 984 Mexicans are killed of the 1,000 who got ashore and another 300 bodies wash ashore or are carried home aboard the transports.

ooc
There are no harbor defenses (difference between a Garrison unit and a Militia unit, but the Mexicans were incredibly outnumbered and never really had a chance landing in the small numbers that they did).

Rebel deployments were posted early in the thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10039891&postcount=7

OOC: I must try to persuade the Mexicans to call off the attack, amphibious invasions are hard enough, add onto that the fact that you don't have landing craft, and add onto that you are attacking a HARBOR, and add onto that you have no training of landings....your chances of anyone living are very slim.

As for what you said China, i was wondering the same thing, unless they were in a warehouse somewhere, smuggled by a defector, or smuggled by the Russians, i find it unlikely that they would be there, though that is irrelevant as the Mexicans are dead one way or another.

EDIT: GB beat me too it....sorry i didn't help you quick enough.

OoC: Oh man, that's even cooler. As far as mines go, even I don't know the full inventory of what we gave to the Revolutionaries. But it worked out fine, regardless.

IC
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Somewhat belatedly, Premier Peljidiyn Gelden issues a formal statement denouncing anti-Han violence by Mongol resistance fighters.

"Although we cannot help but revere the greatness of the Khaghan, the days are long past when we ought to be emulating his methods. The men who would harm defenseless innocents, even Han colonists, are unworthy to be called patriots, bring disgrace to their nation, and betray the true principles of the Mongolian People's Revolutionary Party."

General Valenzuela found out 984 men had been killed out of the 5,000 men force. He was going back to Meixco, but aleast he got back the ambassador and his men. They were going back as a failure, but it wasn't a total failure they got most of the Mexican citizens out. They were going back to Mexico, but this wasn't the end of the fighting in China yet. Generla Valenzulea was going to get his revenge very soon.

The war at sea Part 1 March 1, 1934

Chinese Shanghai Fleet (all tech level 5)
1 battleship, 9 heavy cruisers, 20 destroyers plus 1,500 fighters in the area (De 370, I-15 and He-51, of which half are serviceable and available to fight).

The Japanese have 432 carrier planes, including 100 Type 30 (Claude) fighters, which have superior maneuverability to the Chinese fighters, and the Japanese have superior pilots.

The diplomatic note is given to China declaring war just as dusk settles over the coast, and 30 minutes later, the Japanese approach to within 150 miles of the Chinese coast and launch a full strike of torpedo and dive bombers at the Chinese fleet. The Japanese use the night to protect them from the Chinese fighters, with dive bombers dropping flares and bombs to set buildings alight to provide illumination, and the torpedo bombers using specially prepared torpedoes to attack the Chinese fleet in the shallow waters.

Although Chinese flak is thick and manages to down 23 Japanese bombers, the well executed attack inflicts serious damage. The Chinese battleship is sunk in the shallow harbor, as are 2 heavy cruisers, and another cruiser is left seriously damaged and unfit for action.

Meanwhile, a similar raid at Canton manages to sink the Chinese battleship docked there, which rolls over and capsizes.

Another 12 planes are lost on this raid, and 45 aircraft are lost in the Northern Striking Force and 13 more in the Southern Striking Force due to accidents that occur while landing at night aboard the carriers.

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2 March 1934

Upon hearing of the Japanese declaration of war, the commander of PLA forces at Nanjing, Mao Zedong, became quite alarmed. Torn between his duty to his country and his duty to the Revolution, after much soul-searching he determined if the Revolution was to be won, the nation would have to be preserved.

Mao dispatched a messenger under a white flag to General Zhu De, the commandant of the Imperial garrison at Shanghai, within a day of the Japanese declaration of war, informing the commandant of his concerns. General Zhu, who had been similarly troubled, especially after the fearsome Japanese air attack, agreed to meet the PLA commander at an abandoned millhouse on the outskirts of the city.

There, each man shared his concerns with the other. Though they found they disagreed about many things, both could see that the other was a man of principle and intelligence. In the absence of any direction from either the Emperor or the Chairman, the two men agreed to set aside their differences and make common cause for the good of the nation.

Both men had thus become traitors to their respective governments.

And the National Revolutionary Army was officially formed on the second day of March, nineteen thirty-four.

3rd March, 1934

The French government almost breathes a sigh of relief when the Emperor agrees to be evacuated. However, when word reaches them of the new National Revolutionary Army Blum makes an impassioned speech.

"Friends and fellow representatives! We put our support behind the governemnt of Imperial China. However, that government has now ceased to exist. Shall we allow the Chinese people to be conquered and suffer under the iron boot of Japanese Imperialism? Can we, as a free and democratic nation, stand by and watch as an entire country is enslaved? I say no! We must make a stand against Imperialism and I say it start here! We must support the Chinese people in this, their most desperate hour, and stop them from becoming slaves to the Japanese war machine. Therefore, I ask that Parliament issue a decleration of war against the Empire of Japan and that we not cease our efforts until the Chinese people can live in peace and security, without fear of Japanese oppression!'

The result is a standing ovation from Parliament.

In Japan, the Embassy shuts down and the staff begins evacuating after they destroy papers and code-books. French citizens are advised to leave Japan immediatly.

Back in Paris, the Minister of Foriegn Affairs presents the decleration of war to the Japanese ambassador.

"This is not a war of aggression or imperialism. We fight to prevent you from taking the liberty of the Chinese people. Should you withdraw your decleration of war against China and cease your attacks, we will withdraw our own decleration."

Any Japanese shipping in French waters is siezed. The French Navy is now under standing orders to sieze or sink any Japanese shipping they come across. Subamrines are ordered into the Atlantic and the Mediterranian. They have strict orders to surface and identify the ships before firing.

Parliament decalres support for the National Revolutionary Army.

The Emperor is being moved to saftey in Vietnam as this happens.

The United States declares its neutrality in the war. However, to prevent military operations from spilling over into the Western Hemisphere, it invites French shipping to assemble at Iceland for armed escort (convoys) to Western Hemisphere ports and the Japanese to assemble at Hawaii for the same consideration.

In addition, the US Pacific Fleet sends 6 carriers, 4 fast battleships, 16 cruisers and 30 destroyers on an extended show the flag cruise to Sydney (Australia), Truk atoll and Manila Bay. The cruise is expected to last 6 months in all, at which time the fleet will return to their home ports in California. The US Army Air Force is ordered to send its entire fleet of B17s to the Philippines to assist in scouting missions to ensure the security of American territory.

3rd March, 1934
Any Japanese shipping in French waters is siezed. The French Navy is now under standing orders to sieze or sink any Japanese shipping they come across. Subamrines are ordered into the Atlantic and the Mediterranian. They have strict orders to surface and identify the ships before firing.

Parliament decalres support for the National Revolutionary Army.

ooc
The French don't get much Japanese shipping, as most Japanese trade is with North America, the Pacific Coast of Latin America and with Southeast Asia. However, about 100,000 total total is caught in the Atlantic, the Mediterranean and in French ports before it can get away. The Japanese will catch about 30,000 tons of French shipping for the same reasons. Not enough to statistically matter at this point.

The French government thanks the United States for the gracious offer and accepts.

SECRET IC:

The French contact the United States and ask if it would be permissible to build up their fleet on the condition that all ships above the treaty limits would be sold off or scrapped at the end of the war.

The French government thanks the United States for the gracious offer and accepts.

SECRET IC:

The French contact the United States and ask if it would be permissible to build up their fleet on the condition that all ships above the treaty limits would be sold off or scrapped at the end of the war.

the US relectutantly agrees, primarily (as French Intelligence reports) because the US is pleased that the French did not join the Warsaw Pact.

The French economy begins shifting over to war-time, but the draft is not instated. As of now support for the war is high, but that may be primarily because the French haven't as of yet taken casualties. Sympathy for the Chinese people is also high, as the French know what civil war and invasion can do to your country.

[OOC: See the 1790s-1800s and more recently the 2nd Great War. Any advice on how to resolves this with my year build schedule?]

Semi-Secret IC: French naval officers begin training on the latest carrier tactics and carrier versions of the D.520 and LN.411 hit the drawing boards.

The French economy begins shifting over to war-time, but the draft is not instated. As of now support for the war is high, but that may be primarily because the French haven't as of yet taken casualties. Sympathy for the Chinese people is also high, as the French know what civil war and invasion can do to your country.

[OOC; See the 1790s-1800s and more recently the 2nd Great War. Any advice on how to resolves this with my year build schedule?]

politically you can gear up to x 3 production beginning 1935, x 2 for 1934. I will give you production points later this evening.

I will, but in a bit

Righto, thanks.

China secretly asks Gran Colombia, Rumania, and the Middle East Union for assistance aganist Japan's invasion. The requests play on Gran Colombia's mutual defense treaty, Rumania's nationalism, and the Middle East Union as an ally, Islam nationality and desire to make profits for its economy.

The following incentives are also offered to these nations.

Gran Colombia = Chinese support in any future defense of Gran Colombia.

Rumania = Chinese aid in rebuilding Rumania's military and help fund Rumanian economic expansion.

Middle East Union = Pay double (or even triple) the price of oil, generates more profits for the MEU, making it far less profitable for the MEU to sell oil to Japan.

The MEU government reply to the Chinese request that to increase the price of oil to Japan, the MEU leadership stated that would not even increase the price of oil towards an ally of the MEU, both Japan and China are allies of the MEU, yet we will not take sides on this issue, we are staying neutral on this matter and refuse to show favors, therefore we refuse to rise the price of oil to Japan or to China.

China secretly asks Gran Colombia, Rumania, and the Middle East Union for assistance aganist Japan's invasion. The requests play on Gran Colombia's mutual defense treaty, Rumania's nationalism, and the Middle East Union as an ally, Islam nationality and desire to make profits for its economy.

The following incentives are also offered to these nations.

Gran Colombia = Chinese support in any future defense of Gran Colombia.

Rumania = Chinese aid in rebuilding Rumania's military and help fund Rumanian economic expansion.

Middle East Union = Pay double (or even triple) the price of oil, generates more profits for the MEU, making it far less profitable for the MEU to sell oil to Japan.


Rumania responds in the positive, though somewhat cautious after the disaster that has recently occcured. Thsi is, of course, entirely dependant on whether they will be able to get to China safely or not. For now, Rumania wil remain pro-Chna, but neutral. Arms shippments begin via the Trans-Eurasian railroad, provided that they are allowed by the Union.

The 2nd Corp has been brought up to full strength by activating a division from the reserve 3rd Corp and placing it in the 2nd Corp. The Corp is prepared to move when the French do, if possible, though was has nto been declared.

A message is sent to the French, asking that the 2nd Corp be incorporated into any plans that are afoot.

Colombia indeed promises support to its Ally in China, whether it be Communist or Imperial. Our main problem lies with the Blockade placed around China.

We do not believe that Japan's navy is weak enough to attempt a break through at any point at the moment. We do not trust the Russians to allow us through either.

Until you are able to find us a path to bring troops ashore, we cannot provide assistance. Our soldiers will be in the Phillipines until they can be moved. Until then, we have decided to send two fighter units as well.

Currently at the Phillipines or on Route:
2 x Alpine Corp
1 x Mechanized Corp
2 x Fighter Units
1 x Light Ship (20 Destroyers)

Expected total Colombian Military in the Phillipines after three months:
1 x HQ Unit
3 x Alpine Corp
1 x Mechanized Corp
1 x Motorized Field Artillery
1 x Theatre Supply Unit
2 x Fighter Units
1 x Light Ship

The MEU government reply to the Chinese request that to increase the price of oil to Japan, the MEU leadership stated that would not even increase the price of oil towards an ally of the MEU, both Japan and China are allies of the MEU, yet we will not take sides on this issue, we are staying neutral on this matter and refuse to show favors, therefore we refuse to rise the price of oil to Japan or to China.

Gran Colombia will lowers its price of oil to China Considerably.

Colombia indeed promises support to its Ally in China, whether it be Communist or Imperial. Our main problem lies with the Blockade placed around China.

We do not believe that Japan's navy is weak enough to attempt a break through at any point at the moment. We do not trust the Russians to allow us through either.

Until you are able to find us a path to bring troops ashore, we cannot provide assistance. Our soldiers will be in the Phillipines until they can be moved. Until then, we have decided to send two fighter units as well.

Currently at the Phillipines or on Route:
2 x Alpine Corp
1 x Mechanized Corp
2 x Fighter Units
1 x Light Ship (20 Destroyers)

Expected total Colombian Military in the Phillipines after three months:
1 x HQ Unit
3 x Alpine Corp
1 x Mechanized Corp
1 x Motorized Field Artillery
1 x Theatre Supply Unit
2 x Fighter Units
1 x Light Ship


technically, under the rules of Neutrality, the United States cannot allow Colombian troops to base themselves in the Philippines if Colombia declares war on any of the belligerents. As the Imperial Chinese government seems to no longer exist as previously constituted, unless the new Chinese government invites Colombian troops in, Colombia under the charter of the League of Nations cannot enter China. Which is a problem, as the US will point out. Therefore, the US is not able to let Colombian military forces into the Philippines at this time.

ooc
International Law can be irritating at times, but the US is forced to follow it in this case unless it wants to go to war with Japan, which it isn't politically (as in domestic politically) able to do at this point.

The United States declares its neutrality in the war......In addition, the US Pacific Fleet sends 6 carriers, 4 fast battleships, 16 cruisers and 30 destroyers on an extended show the flag cruise to Sydney (Australia), Truk atoll and Manila Bay. The cruise is expected to last 6 months in all, at which time the fleet will return to their home ports in California.

Australia also declares neutrality although strong words are issued to the Japanese government concerning "kicking a mate while he is down." The nation also prepares to welcome the US fleet in Sydney.

technically, under the rules of Neutrality, the United States cannot allow Colombian troops to base themselves in the Philippines if Colombia declares war on any of the belligerents. As the Imperial Chinese government seems to no longer exist as previously constituted, unless the new Chinese government invites Colombian troops in, Colombia under the charter of the League of Nations cannot enter China. Which is a problem, as the US will point out. Therefore, the US is not able to let Colombian military forces into the Philippines at this time.

ooc
International Law can be irritating at times, but the US is forced to follow it in this case unless it wants to go to war with Japan, which it isn't politically (as in domestic politically) able to do at this point.

(Bold emphasis is mine)

I just asked Colombia for aid aganist Japan, therefore it can be clearly inferred that Colombian troops are actually invited to defend China aganist Japanese invasion.

It will be noted by the Colombian Government that they have not formally issued a declaration of war, and are still quite technically neutral.

ooc: Already thought of this..

Middle East Union = Pay double (or even triple) the price of oil, generates more profits for the MEU, making it far less profitable for the MEU to sell oil to Japan.

This will cost economic points... China needs 1 oil point for every ten production points.. rounded up. This works out to 2 points of oil every turn this year, and 3 points of oil a year next year and after. It will cost 1 production point for every 2 points of oil.

A similar penalty will hit Japan if the US and Dutch East Indies ever decide to cut Japanese oil supplies.

(Bold emphasis is mine)

I just asked Colombia for aid aganist Japan, therefore it can be clearly inferred that Colombian troops are actually invited to defend China aganist Japanese invasion.
Are you actually still playing China?

Do I get the points, as the oil provider ;)

This will cost economic points... China needs 1 oil point for every ten production points.. rounded up. This works out to 2 points of oil every turn this year, and 3 points of oil a year next year and after. It will cost 1 production point for every 2 points of oil.

A similar penalty will hit Japan if the US and Dutch East Indies ever decide to cut Japanese oil supplies.

Understood.

However, seeing that the MEU turned down this deal, that means the profit deal will not go through. Thus, China will continue to pay standard rates on oil instead of undercutting Japanese oil-flow from the MEU.

Do I get the points, as the oil provider ;)

only if that kind of deal is made

War at Sea part 2
In March, the Japanese and Chinese fight a series of naval actions in the coastal waters of China as the Chinese Navy carries out the orders it was given. Stop the invasion or die trying.

The first battle is directly off Shanghai beginning March 2 and lasting until March 5, were a Japanese fleet appears offshore escorting hundreds of transports carrying 6 divisions of Japanese troops. The Chinese launch a series of desperate air and surface attacks with the entire remaining fleet and nearly 1,000 aircraft. The Japanese shoot down 500 Chinese aircraft in the course of three days of fighting, at the cost of 60 of their fighters, as the Japanese have a huge advantage in having better aircraft and better pilots along with lots of flak and the Chinese are inadequately trained. However, the Chinese manage to sink 3 transports (inflicting 3,000 casualties on the landing force) and 2 destroyers and lightly damage the battleship Yamato. Japanese aircraft meanwhile sink 18 Chinese destroyers, while the fleet destroys the entire Chinese fleet with superior gunfire (from 4 battleships) before it can close to deal out any damage.

Meanwhile in the Yellow Sea, the Japanese Blockade force seeks out and engages the Chinese naval forces that were blockading Rebel held ports. In a series of actions over the first week of March, the superiority of the newly developed Japanese Long Lance torpedo is decisive. Japanese submarines sink 3 Chinese destroyers, while in surface battles the Japanese sink 6 destroyers and 18 torpedo boats. The inadequately trained Chinese fleet manage to sink a single Japanese destroyer in reply. The surviving Chinese ships retire to Tientsin after ammunition and fuel are exhausted.

Further south, the Japanese stay off shore from Canton, content to maintain the blockade and force the Chinese to come to them. Which finally happens on March 8, when half the Chinese navy, 9 heavy cruisers, 40 destroyers and 120 torpedo boats sortie out to engage the Japanese. The Japanese maintain their distance during the day, and let their aircraft attack, sinking 42 torpedo boats over the course of the first day once the Chinese are outside of land based fighter range (ooc which is a mere 100 miles from Canton, not enough to cover the entire distance the Chinese have to cover to engage the Japanese and break the blockade of Canton/Hong Kong/Macao). Land based bombers from Formosa also score heavily, sinking another 22 torpedo boats (the Japanese concentrate on whittling down numbers).

On the night of March 9 / 10 the Japanese battleforce and blockade force moves in and engages the Chinese in a night battle. The Japanese sink 6 cruisers, 9 destroyers and 32 more torpedo boats but the Chinese sink the light cruisers Oi and Kitakami, and 4 destroyers. However, the Chinese are out of ammunition and the surviving 66 Chinese ships are forced to retreat. The next day is marked by more air attacks, claiming all 3 of the remaining Chinese cruisers and all 31 of the remaining destroyers.

The Chinese Navy is reduced to a collection of torpedo boats. Nearly 50,000 Chinese and 5,000 Japanese sailors are dead as well.




OOC
Special note, historically the Japanese fleet was by far the best trained in the world up until 1943, when the US, British and Australian navies finally learned from bitter experience. They used live ammunition during training which was conducted in the waters of northern Japan. They also routinely carried training operations in winter gales at night and during the day. They were also willing to suffer deaths in training routinely, while no one else did. Overall, this gives the Japanese a sizeable combat bonus for training, along with their bonus for having more modern ships and weapons (compared to the Chinese). This would not have been well known prior to the start of the war. Having won the two biggest naval battles during the 2nd Great War is a big help as well. In other words, if you fight the Japanese for over a year, you get to be as good as they are, assuming you still have a fleet left.

The French economy switches over to war-time and patriotic osters begin popping up all over the country. Many of them show heroic French soldiers going into combat, flags fluttering. The navy also begins a major recruiting drive as the French shipyards begin preparing for massive construction projects. Volounteers from both sides of the political spectrum sigh up for duty with the armed forces.

A political cartoon appears in French papers showing a French revolutionary shielding a Chinese peasant from a bloodthirsty samurai. The caption reads "As always, the defender of liberty."

French reserves are mobilized. All three of the active army mechanized corps, the HQ, the Alpine Corps, and two fighter units (comprised of the new D.520 fighter) are transferred by rail to northern China, using the Trans-Siberian Railway.

OOC:

I'm not that surprised. Tech 5 fleets aganist Tech 6 fleets = automatic easy win.

IC:

In light of the new developments regarding the Japanese, Chiang Kai Shek makes attempts to contact the National Revolutionary Army and other factions within China to establish a united front aganist the Japanese warmongers. Chiang also promises the formation of a democracy / republic upon the conclusion of the war.

the Battle of Shanghai
The creation of the National Revolutionary Army is important, but the Chinese are not able to move forces to Shanghai from Nanking quickly enough to fight off the initial Japanese assault. Supported by 16 and 18 inch guns, and with sufficient aircraft to hold off the Chinese Air Force, the Japanese are able to land 6 divisions on flanking positions on either side of the city. Heavy fighting last for two weeks, and at the cost of 50,000 casualties take the ruins of Shanghai, destroying the Chinese garrison in the process (which suffers 50,000 casaulties as well, along with 320,000 civilian casualties, plus over a million refugees are created). Surviving Chinese forces fall back to Nanking, including the 2 remaining fighter units.

ooc
Shanghai will require repairs before its 5 production points will be available for Japanese use.

IC
The remainder of March and April sees the arrival of 4 more Japanese infantry corps (12 divisions) at Shanghai along with 2 fighter units and a bomber unit of the Imperial Japanese Armyi, and Japanese probes toward Nanking. The Chinese lack the reserves to act immediately until May.

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San Francisco, 4 March 1934

Sometimes President Radek felt like a terrible Communist. Mornings in the Hotel Huntington seemed to encourage that feeling especially.

Weeks had gone by since his arrival in San Francisco for summit talks with the American President, which had gone mych better than expected. Radek hadn’t expected much, however. The city, though beautiful, remained tense, as Chinese, Japanese, leftists, and anti-communists still marched through the streets and occasionally still clashed. Although the frequency and intensity of the unrest had diminished drastically during his stay, it was scarcely safe for such a controversial figure as he to go out of doors except under the heaviest guard.

But the hotel had a pool and a spa, and his suite had comfortable furniture, a beautiful view, and fine coffee. Indeed he had just settled into the sitting room’s most comfortable chair, in front of the largest window, sipping his morning coffee with a copy of the San Francisco Examiner when he happened to see the headline for that day. He spat some of his coffee onto the paper, and spilled the rest in his lap.

But he was too shocked to even feel it.

Warsaw, Emergency Session of the Union Executive Council, 4 March 1934

"Comrades," Kirov concluded, "we cannot fail our Gallic friends. Their élan is perhaps more influential than their discretion, but the present breach between us will surely turn permanent if we abandon them to their fate now."

"And what of the previous arrangements?" asked Vynnychenko. "It seems to me that we have only a choice of betrayals."

"That is true," replied Dieckmann. "But the longer we wait, the worse it will get. We Germans never approved of all this nonsense, anyway – extending the Revolution to China, pah! A stagnant civilization if there ever was one."

Khodzhayev regarded Dieckmann coldly until the latter mumbled an apology. Khodzhayev had pushed hard for liberation of the Uighurs. He then faced the other men around the table.

"Let us resolve, then. Turkestan assents."

"Germany assents," said Dieckmann.

"Poland assents - but only for the sake of the French," said Mościcki.

"Livonia assents," said Päts.

"Transcaucasia assents," said Zhordania.

"Finland assents," said Kuusinen.

"I will go along, Ukraine assents," said Vynnychenko.

"Russia assents," said Krestinsky. "The chief executive," he continued, "is henceforth empowered to deploy the Red Army beyond the Union’s borders, to defend the peoples of East Turkestan, Mongolia, and Manchuria. And to declare war if circumstances warrant.

"This is a great deal of power we are putting into your hands, Sergei Mironovich."

Kirov nodded to his countryman.

"I will endeavor to be worthy of this trust, my Comrades. You have my word."

Troop Dispositions
Marshal Heinz Guderian is appointed to command of the Eastern Front. The Red Army’s entire contingent of alpine and paratroopers will be dispatched to Asia, along with all the armored cavalry and light bombers, and all our fighters. I realize this may take some time to organize, but the Red Army has at least been mobilized for nearly a month already. Additonally, eight headquarters, three theater supply units, and two each of railroad siege artillery units, antitank, and mechanized rocket artillery will be sent east.

Meanwhile, four corps of regular infantry will move into Xinjiang, six corps to Mongolia, and six corps to Manchuria. Six corps will be stationed on high alert in Siberia, and two corps will be dispatched to Kamchatka.

There is no declaration of war at the present time. Red Army units operating beyond the Union’s borders are doing so with the consent of the (secessionist) host governments. They will make no threatening moves against either Generalissimo Chiang or the Japanese. Yet.

I’m too tired to decide anything else right now, so good night.

OOC
Japan gets 20 points a turn (2 month turn) beginning March April, and the Army wants 2 HQs,army aircraft and pilots, and mechanized units as soon as possible. So Fluffy Wuffy, look at the build list at the start of the thread and tell me what you are building this year, rememdering to factor in time delays.

France gets 15 points a turn (2 month turn) beginning March April as well, and needs to do the same thing.

In March, the Imperials lose the infantry corps they were going to get from Shanghai, plus the points, reducing them to 8 a turn. Chinese builds posted below.

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San Francisco, 4 March 1934


Troop Dispositions
Marshal Heinz Guderian is appointed to command of the Eastern Front. The Red Army’s entire contingent of alpine and paratroopers will be dispatched to Asia, along with all the armored cavalry and light bombers, and all our fighters. I realize this may take some time to organize, but the Red Army has at least been mobilized for nearly a month already. Additonally, eight headquarters, three theater supply units, and two each of railroad siege artillery units, antitank, and mechanized rocket artillery will be sent east.

Meanwhile, four corps of regular infantry will move into Xinjiang, six corps to Mongolia, and six corps to Manchuria. Six corps will be stationed on high alert in Siberia, and two corps will be dispatched to Kamchatka.

There is no declaration of war at the present time. Red Army units operating beyond the Union’s borders are doing so with the consent of the (secessionist) host governments. They will make no threatening moves against either Generalissimo Chiang or the Japanese. Yet.

I’m too tired to decide anything else right now, so good night.

Figure they will be ready to move in July due to all of the needed strategic moves required to shift all of that.

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San Francisco, 4 March 1934

Sometimes President Radek felt like a terrible Communist. Mornings in the Hotel Huntington seemed to encourage that feeling especially.

Weeks had gone by since his arrival in San Francisco for summit talks with the American President, which had gone exactly nowhere. Radek hadn’t expected much, however. The city, though beautiful, remained tense, as Chinese, Japanese, leftists, and anti-communists still marched through the streets and occasionally still clashed. Although the frequency and intensity of the unrest had diminished drastically during his stay, it was scarcely safe for such a controversial figure as he to go out of doors except under the heaviest guard.


the meeting with FDR did manage to get an American agreement to stay out of the situation in China and support neither side, which is bound to be worth something. The US also agrees to respect in principal the Warsaw Pact sphere of influence (the Rhine east to the Pacific) if the Pact agrees to leave the LTA sphere of influence (US and British territories, along with the other LTA nations and their territories) alone.

the meeting with FDR did manage to get an American agreement to stay out of the situation in China and support neither side, which is bound to be worth something. The US also agrees to respect in principal the Warsaw Pact sphere of influence (the Rhine east to the Pacific) if the Pact agrees to leave the LTA sphere of influence (US and British territories, along with the other LTA nations and their territories) alone.
I'll edit the "exactly nowhere" bit, then. Tomorrow.

Junta forces (former Imperial government)
Holds Peking (1 garrison unit), Tientsin (1 garrison unit), Canton (1 garrison unit, 3 fighter units, plus 20 torpedo boats), Mukden (1 garrison unit), Kunming (1 garrison unit)and Lanchow (1 garrison unit), plus Taiyun, Changchun, Tsinan, Nanning, Foochow, Kweiyang. Infantry corps show up in Taiyun, Changchun, Tsinan, Nanning, Foochow and Kweiyang on May 1.

National Revolutionary Army
Holds Nanking (1 garrison unit, 2 fighter units), Sian (1 garrison unit) plus Chengchow, Wuhan and Hankow (garrison unit). Infantry corps shows up in Hankow, Chenghow and Wuhan on May 1.

Rebel forces
Manchurian rebels hold Port Arthur (garrison unit) and Harbin (garrison unit) and 2 infantry corps show up on May 1 (one at each city). These forces are pro Union.

Mongolian rebels hold Ulan Bator, and everything north of the Kerelun river. They have no units at this time (as the Mongolian and Han Chinese militias have wiped each other out) but 2 Mongolian cavalry corps and 1 Mongolian garrison unit show up on May 1. These forces are Pro Union.

The Turkmani Rebels hold Urumchi, and Kashgar, as well as all Chinese territory within 5 hexes of those two cities. They have a garrison unit in Urumchi, and a cavalry corps in Kashgar and get 2 more cavalry corps in May (one at each city). These forces have not committed to anyone but themselves.

The Tibetans hold Lhasa and everything in Tibet itself and have 1 garrison unit. Tibet is pro India / LTA.

Laos and Cambodia remain under Junta control, but no significant military forces are present.

Szechuan Rebels control Chengtu (1 garrison unit) Chunking (1 garrison unit), and Lanchow. 2 Infantry corps show up on May 1 in Lanchow. These Rebels have not yet declared themselves and can be recruited by the National Revolutionary Army, the Junta or may become Pro Union. They also may go warlord and create their own state.

The Japanese hold Shanghai, and have 5 infantry corps in Shanghai or the two coastal hexes adjacent. Also present are 2 fighter units and 1 bomber unit. A naval air unit is also in Formosa, and the Japanese still have carriers (although Japan will need to replace 1 carrier fighter, 1 carrier torpedo bomber, 1 carrier dive bomber and 2 carrier pilots, which means 3 carriers are not available for action at the moment…. Figure the Akagi, Kaga and Kongo). Additional Japanese forces are in Japan and available for deployment. The Japanese Marine corps has been destroyed in combat and will have to be replaced.

Vietnam now has 3 infantry corps (effective May 1) and indications are that they will secure Laos and Cambodia.

Seeing that the situation is destabiliazing rapidly in China with no chance of it stopping in the near future, The Vietnamese People have decided to anwnser our fellow South East Asian's pleas for assistance. Therefore leaders in Laos and Cambodia have been conatacted as to the possibility of the newly formed RVA to start securing the northern border to China and to maintain order with the help of NLF militia.

In other news the President and Prime Minister have called for the NLF militia commander to start stepping down. Most who are not already working in cooperation with the RVA are agreeing, while some mainly in the north are refusing to stand down and some like the famed commander Vo Nyugen Giap have gone with their men to help the rebels in China.

May 1934
In Laos and Cambodia, demonstrations turn into revolution as mobs attack Chinese garrison troops. Using whatever weapons they can find, plus small arms acquired from Vietnam and Siam, militia units form in both areas and secure their capitals. The old royal families of both kingdoms declare their independence from China and request an alliance and security assistance from Siam and Vietnam.

ooc
as China had no military units of any size in either area, this is a relatively bloodless revolution.

Meanwhile, the Japanese launch an offensive aimed at taking Nanking and also make a new landing at Tsingtao. Both operations are aimed at enlarging the Japanese foothold in China and to force the Chinese to battle at unfavorable odds, as well as to weaken the ability of China to defend itself.

The battle of Nanking is even fiercer than the fighting at Shanghai, and Japanese and Chinese fighters contest the skies. Gradually the Japanese gain air superiority, shooting down 1000 Chinese aircraft at the cost of 500 of their own. (China also loses 2 pilot units, the Japanese lose 1 pilot unitl). However, the air fighting prevents the Japanese from using their bombers effectively and the infantry assault by 9 Japanese divisions (200,000 men) against 50,000 Chinese garrison troops and 35,000 Chinese infantry is expensive. The Japanese take the city (which is left in ruins), and drive the surviving Chinese infantry out at the cost of 50,000 Japanese and 50,000 Chinese casualties, as well as nearly 100,000 Chinese civilians killed and over 2 million made homeless.

ooc
the Chinese have lost 1 garrison unit, 2 fighter units, 2 pilot units, and the Japanese 1 fighter unit, 1 pilot unit, and 1 infantry corps in the fighting at Nanking, and the 1 factory in Nanking is wrecked and will have to be repaired for the Japanese (or anyone else) to use it.

IC
The Japanese landing at Tsingtao is made against only token opposition from the Junta, which has no significant military forces in the area and neither do the rebels. Both Japanese infantry corps land with minimal losses and secure that port, and then they drive on Tsinan, where they destroy a corps of 35,000 infantry loyal to the Junta with minimal losses and take that city.

Additional Japanese troops arrive, with 2 corps unloading at Tsingtao, and 2 more at Shanghai.

OOC: Okay then Im going to have two infantry corps go and secure Laos' northen border with China and then the third go to work securing the two countries.

IC:
In anwser to their pleas fo help Congress authorizes the First Infantry Division to cross the border and help them to secure the country from the bloody fighting to the north in China.

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The National Army

Seeing that Generalissimo Jiang Jieshi [OoC: I think it’s be cooler for E20 if we call Chiang Kai-shek by his Mandarin name, instead of his dialectical one – if nobody else picks up on it though I’ll stop.] is committed to the defense of the nation against the Japanese invader, Zhu De and Mao Zedong agree to place their remaining forces under Generalissimo Jiang’s supreme authority.

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The People's Republic of Manchuria

In Manchuria, however, Chen Duxiu, an ethnic Han, declares secession from the Empire and the formation of the People’s Republic of Manchuria, which "will be destined to stand forever for hope and freedom as a beacon to the oppressed peoples of Asia." Chen is henceforth regarded as a Soviet puppet, but he immediately enacts a number of desirable, progressive social reforms that at least make him a fairly well-liked Quisling [OoC: The Soviets are bankrolling a Manchurian welfare state – see Turkestan, below].

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The People's Republic of Mongolia

Premier Gelden welcomes the arrival of Red Army forces and the aid and stability they bring.

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Republic of Eastern Turkestan

The Exekutiv of the National Republic of Turkestan, Fayzulla Khodzhayev, arrives at the Eastern Turkestani capital of Kashgar in early May to consult with President Xoca Niyaz Haci about the possibility of merging their two states under the nominal sovereignty of the Union, and meanwhile allowing Red Army troops access to China through East Turkestan. The Exekutiv, himself a Jadid rather than Social-Democrat, is able to promise a large aid package from Warsaw, and a great deal of autonomy.

OoC: History Moderator
Other Rebel forces will probably turn Warlord – i.e., NPC, over the Summer. Warlord Units have extremely low morale, usually, and can sometimes be flipped to work for another side, either by assassinating, bullying, or bribing their commanders (or his officers) to join forces with other units in proximity.

More Warlord Units will probably continue to be produced in all Uncontrolled Areas until all Uncontrolled Areas are taken over by a Player. Warlord Units can also upgrade themselves if they control production. This is following historical precedent.

ooc
Szechuan will remain warlord but will join the first side that gets a HQ unit and 4 infantry corps to their border. Tibet declares independence, the Turmanis are still argueing over direction (but could care less about what happens to China at this point), Mongolia immediately declares independence and wants to sign a mutual defense treaty with the Union (become a client state), and remember that the Junta still controls Mukden.

Colombia quietly approaches Russia, in an attempt to figure out how safe a Colombian Army would be traveling through Eastern Russia and into China to fight the Japanese Invaders.

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Is this correct then?

Incidently, Great Britian has indicated it intends to supply the rebels in Tibet.. need some points spent for that to happen. (figure 4 to create 2 infantry corps or 8 to create 2 mountain corps, which are ideal Tibetian troops anyway). The same applies also to British support to Vietnam.

I'll change my budge accordingly to account for 8 points to be spent raising troops in Tibet and Vietnam (4 points each), this will be diverted from the Frank Whittle research budget (still leaving a hefty 12 points for Jet research). I'll leave it up to GB to decide what the points raise etc. There will be more points next year if the new units perform well and the war lasts that long.

Chinese shipping
In 1934 China had 30 shipping units, plus a national airline (equipped with Ju52 airliners) and an International Airline (equipped with 4 engined Dornier Flying Boats) plus 2 pilots for those airlines. Once the country breaks out into disorder and is then invaded, the National airline becomes a transport unit for the Junta air force and is based out of Peking. The international airline manages to assemble its aircraft at Tintsin. Both survive but neither produces economic points anymore as they are now military units.

The Chinese lose 6 shipping units to capture by Japan. 4 more are stuck in Rebel held Manchuria (and become Manchurian) but are blockaded. Another 4 shipping units have been sunk by Japanese forces either in the capture of Shanghai and Tsingtao, or lost at sea. Another 6 shipping units are blockaded in Hong Kong harbor (and belong to the Rebels there, who haven't picked a side yet but will probably join the Junta rather than the Japanese). Another 2 shipping units are stuck in Canton and blockaded.

6 Shipping units are in US controlled ports and are immediately interned. However the US will release them to Chinese control if requested. Another 6 are in British ports and face the same situation. The last 2 Chinese shipping units are in Union ports and are subject to Union decision.

In other words, China is not receiving any commercial points at this time.

China also is no longer receiving oil imports. It has sufficient stockpiles to fly the planes it has now, but cannot build new aircraft units or motorized, mechanized or armored units unless it gets oil overland from the Union, or manages to break the Japanese blockade (somehow).

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Is this correct then?

not entirely, Mongolia consists of only the modern day Mongolia at this point, as the Chinese more heavily colonized the inner region (that which is modern day China)

I'll change my budge accordingly to account for 8 points to be spent raising troops in Tibet and Vietnam (4 points each), this will be diverted from the Frank Whittle research budget (still leaving a hefty 12 points for Jet research). I'll leave it up to GB to decide what the points raise etc. There will be more points next year if the new units perform well and the war lasts that long.

Tibet forms a garrison unit and an alpine unit, while Vietnam can form 2 more infantry corps or use those points to maybe get a fighter unit and a pilot. All show up in January 1935, no matter what the Vietnamese decision.

not entirely, Mongolia consists of only the modern day Mongolia at this point, as the Chinese more heavily colonized the inner region (that which is modern day China)
OoC: The PRM actually does claim Inner Mongolia, and will fight for it, and Tibet claims Qinghai. I have a nice map, actually, but my ISP is completely fucked, and I can't log on at home. I'm a little ticked about that, I must say.

Anyway.

OoC: Mukden isn't controlled by the Junta on my map - I suppose I probably missed that in the post, but what happened to the Junta's garrison at Qingdao? Did Jiang move it or what?

IC

Manchuria
Chen Duxiu demands the immediate surrender of the National Army at Mukden, saying that he will allow them to leave Manchurian territory peacefully if they lay down their arms, which will be returned to them at Tianjin if they comply. Meanwhile he orders the PLA forces at Harbin to march south in support of his own forces at Port Arthur, in case the nationalist commander doesn't agree.

Mongolia
The Union inducts the People's Republic into the Warsaw Pact.

Gran Colombia
President Kirov doesn't outright reject the Colombians' implied request, but he doesn't grant it, either. The Union has no diplomatic relations with Gran Colombia, and considers it a hostile power. Essentially the Soviet reply is, "Why should we do you any favors?"

Gran Colombia notes the aid sent during the drought in the Urals several years back. Colombia also reminds the Russians that they are technically on the same side at the moment.

Gran Colombia notes the aid sent during the drought in the Urals several years back. Colombia also reminds the Russians that they are technically on the same side at the moment.
The Union replies that the aid was nearly fifteen years ago, and the Soviets have fought wars with Colombia both before and since - that rather cancels things out, in Warsaw's opinion. Try again, or try elsewhere.

The Union also notes that, while Soviet forces are acting in support of the CCP, the PRM, and the Jadid Basmachi of Turkestan, the Red Army has taken no official side on the matter of the Nationalists. Also, although the Union supports France, the longstanding Non-Aggression Pact with Japan makes any overtly hostile moves against the latter illegal. At least six months’ notice would be required to withdraw from it, and we have not yet given that.

OoC: I actually forgot about that until just just now. That could have been very embarassing, and it definitely makes our entry into the war this year impossible. Well, at least on the side of the Good Guys. Woops. If the French don't look like they're winning, Kirov will deliver notice of withdrawal to the Japanese. Until the french have taken casualties, though, that would be diplomatically impossible - we don't have any actual treaty with France since they withdrew from the Warsaw Pact, only a declaration by Kirov that "we will not abandon" them.

Incidentally, Kirov is President now. Radek's second term expired in May, shortly after his return from the United States.

OoC:[/b] Mukden isn't controlled by the Junta on my map - I suppose I probably missed that in the post, but what happened to the Junta's garrison at Qingdao? Did Jiang move it or what?

It was the only part of Manchuria that actually had a Imperial garrison at the start of things, and remains loyal to the Junta. It refuses to surrender (ooc consistant with Jiangs view that the Communists are the enemy too).

Regretably there wasn't a garrison at Qingdao, there was a garrison as Jinan, which was considered adequate for the moment (which was a mistake, but based on Jiangs assumption and hope that the Japanese would land at Hong Kong or Canton instead. He couldn't defend everywhere after all). The infantry corps at Jinan was destroyed in combat with the Japanese.

The United States government urges Colombia not to try and commit troops to China at this time. The US government points out that it would be a tremendous strain on the Colombian economy and would divert money that would be useful in modernizing the Colombian military. In addition, the lines of communication would be very tenous and subject to interruption by either Japan or Russia at will.

Rumanian arms manufactuarers have begun shippments of arms to the Chinese, via the the Trans-SIberian railroad if the action is permissible to the Union government.

OOC: Doesn't matter which Chinese. The Rumanian's figure the guns will be used to shoot Japs no matter what.

OOC: This post is reserved for the next Japanese build, which I will edit in in an hour or so, but contains some other stuff.

IC:

Japan has announced its plans following the postwar occupation of China, which Japan views as inevitable. A government official has been quoted as saying:

"When the defeat of China has finally occured, Japan will not seek to bring China into the Japanese Empire, nor will any attempts be made to control the Chinese governmentl. This war was started because the former and incompetent Chinese regime acted aggressively at sea and attacked an unarmed freighter and an unprovoked destroyer. Our ultimatum was not met, and Japan is taking steps to stop Chinese aggression. Our goals are not territorial expansion.

Our goals now are to protect China against further communist expansion. Already parts of China have slipped away, never to be recovered from communist clutches save by a concerted world effort, or the use of our Emperor's powers as a god. Because of this, Japan will now recognize the states of Mongolia, Tibet, and East Turkestan (OOC: or whatever the province became) as independent nations. Japan will also recognize any claims Vietnam has to Cambodia and Laos.

We feel that this new, leaner, more Chinese nation will be capable of weathering the storm of communism and emerging as a prosperous, free, nation."

(OOC: Essentially, Japan views recognizing all those states as a necesity, to keep whatever militias they have from supporting China. And to show that the Japanese Empire, of all things, supports some twisted form of self-determination.)

EDIT: OOC: And, of course, Japan will still be making China into a puppet state if we win.

[OOC: What of the French troops being deployed deployed to northern China by the Trans-Siberian Railway? I assume they would end up in the area around Bejing.]

France's reserves are fully mobilized and other units are being raised. [OOC: See Econ thread.] The troops that will soon be arriving in China are receiving Chinese phrasebooks, containing useful phrases such as:

"I am French."

"Do not shoot, I am a friend."

"Where are the Japanese?"

"Will you hide me from the Japanese soldiers?"

In addition, French agents, of both European and Asian decent are sent into the countryside in an effort to recruit rebels into a coalcesed network and create a "Peasant Intelligence" network. [OOC: Somewhat like the coastwatchers, only on land.] They have been authorized to promise and provide both funding and weapons for rebel groups.

A Brief Overview of the French Army

The French army underwent a major orginizational change following the Seond Great War. It modeled itself on the victorious US Army and put more trucks, tanks, and mechanized transports into it's own forces. In addition, they adopted the American artillery doctrines, with larger concentrations of artillery at the Corp and Divisonal levels.

The standard uniform is a grey-green color, with a "steel pot" helmet. The standard rifle is the 98k.

[OOC: More later, beginning of build can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10053156&posted=1#post10053156). I don't have time to finish it right now, but it should cover the next couple turns.]

French Orders

[OOC: Last turn's orders are in the last paragraph of this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10049062&postcount=122).]

Transfer the theater supply unit, a bomber unit, and three more mechanized corp to Bejing/Northern China by Trans-Siberian Railway.

Units arriving in Northern China will establish a "base camp", secure their supply lines, reorganize and prepare for an offensive. Airstrips will be built to accomodate the fighter units. Attack orders will arrive with the reinforcements [More later.]

Rumanian arms manufactuarers have begun shippments of arms to the Chinese, via the the Trans-SIberian railroad if the action is permissible to the Union government.

OOC: Doesn't matter which Chinese. The Rumanian's figure the guns will be used to shoot Japs no matter what.
These shipments will be allowed.

To:Soviet Government
From:MEU Government

Dear sirs, we request that you allow us to send one mech inf corp to East Turkistan, thought your lands. Our goals to help in the training of our brothers of East Turkistan and help them defend themselves against anyone would try to attack them. We are only sending one mech unit to East Turkistan, to show our brothers of East Turkistan, that their brothers of MEU has not forget the bond we have with them. We await your word on that matter.

To:Soviet Government
From:MEU Government

Dear sirs, we request that you allow us to send one mech inf corp to East Turkistan, thought your lands. Our goals to help in the training of our brothers of East Turkistan and help them defend themselves against anyone would try to attack them. We are only sending one mech unit to East Turkistan, to show our brothers of East Turkistan, that their brothers of MEU has not forget the bond we have with them. We await your word on that matter.
This will be allowed as far as Almaty. From there on you will have to contact the government of Kashgar.

This will be allowed as far as Almaty. From there on you will have to contact the government of Kashgar.

ooc
who will cheerfully jump on the oppertunity for outside help.

IC
The Turkmanis are grateful for the help of their Moslem brothers. They then begin asking the MEU to send an HQ unit and some more mechanized units so they can carve off more Chinese territory.

This will be allowed as far as Almaty. From there on you will have to contact the government of Kashgar.
Very well, the MEU government will conact Kashgar for permission to enter their lands and support them.

To: Government of East Turkistan( aka government of Kashgar)
From: Middle Eastern Union
Brothers of Turkistan, your brothers in the Middle Eastern Union wish to help your nation defend itself from theat of being atack and taken over again by anyone. We wish to send a Mech Inf corp to your nation, to support your nation armies and help supply and train your troops. We wish to see our brothers of East Turkistan rise to freedom and be able to defend themselves from attack. Also we will start sending more troops and supplies as soon as we can to support East Turkistan..

IC
The Turkmanis are grateful for the help of their Moslem brothers. They then begin asking the MEU to send an HQ unit and some more mechanized units so they can carve off more Chinese territory.
As History Moderator, I don't see this happening. The uprising in Xinjiang during the RL Revolution (1911) didn't spread beyond Xinjiang's borders. Jadid is Pan-Turkic, not really interested in expanding into, for instance, Han regions even in nearby Gansu.

And for the record, they're mostly Uighurs, rather than Turkmen.

As History Moderator, I don't see this happening. The uprising in Xinjiang during the RL Revolution (1911) didn't spread beyond Xinjiang's borders. Jadid is Pan-Turkic, not really interested in expanding into, for instance, Han regions even in nearby Gansu.

And for the record, they're mostly Uighurs, rather than Turkmen.

ooc
Turkmani is easier to type routinely... an important point when I have to use the word a lot. For now assume that Jadid is not the only one with a voice, and they have 'victory disease' and are as prone to fiery rhetoric as the usual revolutionary who feels they are winning. Important question... how will this effect earlier plans provided by the Union to me (the MEU units reaching East Turkestan).

The Empire of Korea is saddened to see our great neighbor to the West fall into total disarray, with foreign armies rampaging across its soil and domestic hooligans running wild at others' expense. Let me say that for now, we will continue to monitor this hostile situation, and accept any refugees who wish to seek asylum.

Our Majesty Emperor Gang

ooc
Turkmani is easier to type routinely... an important point when I have to use the word a lot. For now assume that Jadid is not the only one with a voice, and they have 'victory disease' and are as prone to fiery rhetoric as the usual revolutionary who feels they are winning. Important question... how will this effect earlier plans provided by the Union to me (the MEU units reaching East Turkestan).
TG me. Hopefully my bloody ISP will work long enough that I'll be able to answer whatever question you've got. Jadid is an ideology, by the way, not a person. It encompasses basically Islamic Progressivism, and arose in Russia in the Nineteenth Century. The Young Turks were Jadid, as was, for the most part, the Basmachi Revolt (which in E20 ended up supporting the Russian Revolution, rather than being crushed by it). I'm still not convinced they'd move into Han territories without a specific motive beyond mere expansionism.

Meanwhile.....

SECRET IC:

To: Nationalist Forces
From: Syngman Rhee, Speaker of the Congress of Korea

I have witnessed your troubles with the Japanese and the Communists.....as well as that other riff-raff in the West. We were wondering that, since the Chinese state has been good to us, why can't we be good to it?

What I am proposing is a deal to sell vital war supplies to your forces. I mean guns, food, ammo, whatever you need. Send me a reply if interested.

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To: Chinese Communist Party
From: Korean Workingman's Party

We applaud your struggle to free the Chinese people from the yoke of Imperialist rule. Though we have taken different approaches to the same goal, ultimately, we are both supportive of True Liberty, and True Democracy, dictated by the free conscience of the Workers and Peasants.

It is with these tidings that I now make this statement. We have in our possession a man who may be useful to your cause. This man, Kim Il-Sung, has differed with us in the past, but his sort of "creative" methods to approaching People's War may be what you seek, and we wish for his skills to be put to use where they may do the most good. He especially seems to have a knack for organization and Fifth Column-style tactics. Would you consider him and his men?

Comrade Cho

OOC: Just a head's up-Cho sees this as a way to distract Kim from screwing with her domestic program, sending him to China. Besides, within the KWP, he and his faction are considered, "Out there," passed over in favor of the peaceful approach.

To:Soviet Government
From:MEU Government

Dear sirs, we request that you allow us to send one mech inf corp to East Turkistan, thought your lands. Our goals to help in the training of our brothers of East Turkistan and help them defend themselves against anyone would try to attack them. We are only sending one mech unit to East Turkistan, to show our brothers of East Turkistan, that their brothers of MEU has not forget the bond we have with them. We await your word on that matter.

OOC: The 2nd "Sarajevo" Mechanized Corps is tagging along, they are already in the MEU, training around Jordan i believe, and i have already contacted Ottoman about this and he agreed about it. This will be covert, so the LTA still believes that there is 2 mech divisions out in the desert training to kill them! Instead they are in Asia training to kill them, j/k

IC: Nincic called for protection of the new republics that have risen from the ashes of Imperial China, though has said nothing of how this protection is being sent.

OOC: The 2nd "Sarajevo" Mechanized Corps is tagging along, they are already in the MEU, training around Jordan i believe, and i have already contacted Ottoman about this and he agreed about it. This will be covert, so the LTA still believes that there is 2 mech divisions out in the desert training to kill them! Instead they are in Asia training to kill them, j/k

IC: Nincic called for protection of the new republics that have risen from the ashes of Imperial China, though has said nothing of how this protection is being sent.

I know that Australia is not supposed to know about the movements, but what about the observers we sent to watch those war games and the aircraft in particular. Will they just be sent home? (it's ok if they are, just let me know)

In Mukden, as they still have a railroad connection to Peking, the Nationalist ship 2 factories and an infantry corps out of Mukden to Peking, and 1 of the Peking Garrison units is sent to reinforce Tientsin. Nationalist Infantry corps move into position to put together a defense line in front of the Japanese.

The remaining warships of the Chinese Navy located in Tientsin and Canton are incorporated into the harbor defenses. The Chinese also take delivery of 500 P26 fighters from the United States (which arrive via Korea and then by rail to Peking before Manchuria is totally lost).

-snip-

Yeah....they just go home, too much going on in the world right now for us to try and sell our weapons actively, sorry for the backsies, as Colbert would say.

The French continue shipping arms through Vietnam, and now through Mongolia and northern China. These weapons include the new light anti-tank weapons, machine guns, and other small-arms. Also included are explosives and demolitions.

secret IC
The Nationalists, Manchurians and Union reach an agreement that gives Mukden to Manchuria. The Chinese Nationalist garrison is moved to more critical sectors.

in April, dozens of trains depart France heading east across the Union toward Asia. Nearly 400,000 French troops and all of their equipment and vehicles, plus crates containing hundreds of aircraft. Other trains containing stores and ammunition followed them. The French Expeditionary Force was heading to war.

Meanwhile.....
OOC: Just a head's up-Cho sees this as a way to distract Kim from screwing with her domestic program, sending him to China. Besides, within the KWP, he and his faction are considered, "Out there," passed over in favor of the peaceful approach.
Chairman Chen will take Kim in - there's a sizable Korean minority in Manchuria, after all. However, the People's Republic isn't going to war any time soon if Chen can help it. If Kim makes himself too much of nuisance Chen might just have him shot.

Demographics of the Separatists

The four separatist governments between them take up a lot of the area of the Chinese Empire (see Map of the Secessions (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/hrstrovokia/E20Eastasia19341.gif)), but together contain only slightly more than eleven percent of the total Imperial population of 530,000,000.

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East Turkestan has a population of about 5.5 million, almost half Uighur, about forty percent Han, and the rest various other Turkic and Mongol minorities.

NB: The Jadid ideology adopted by the Uighur separatists at this time is a left-leaning liberal one. A good analogy for understanding where they're coming from would be think of them as post-Great Society, pre-Triangulation Southern Democrats. They're not Marxists (not at all), but they do believe in society's obligation to help the deserving poor. They promote a secular state, more or less, but are very comfortable talking about God and are often driven by a deep personal faith. They are patriots, but not ultranationalists. The main focus of Jadidist social programs is educational reform.

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Mongolia has a population of about 10 million, eight million of whom are Han. The Han are mostly poor peasants settled under the Emperor's colonization program, while the Mongols are what they always have been: herdsmen and warriors. Some very ugly things are happening in Mongolia right now, despite Premier Gelden's official condemnation of ethnic cleansing.

Given the state of communications in the world at this time, of course, even Gelden's government isn't fully aware of the extent of the problem as yet. But the campaign that Soviet scholars will one day refer to as the Twentieth Century's second "ethnocide" is already being undertaken by mounted Mongol militia who call themselves "Nokor" (volunteers), a term deliberately harkening back to the armies of Chingis Khan.

Gelden is the first (and as yet only) secessionist leader to request an exchange of embassies with the Japanese.

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Tibet, including the historical provinces of Amdo, Khams, and Ü-Tsang (modern RL Tibet plus Qinghai and a slice of Sichuan), has a population of about 3.3 million, two-thirds of whom are Tibetan, a quarter Han, and the rest various other minorities. The Han here are mostly businessmen, and disinclined to make any trouble. The Dalai Lama is presently between incarnations (he'll be born July 6th next year, and found a few years later), and the Ninth Panchen Lama, Choekyi Nyima, is therefore the titular head of state, having returned from Mongolia where he had been living in self-imposed exile after an argument with the Thirteenth Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso, concerning the senior Lama's modernization and secularization programs. The Ninth Panchen Lama is a fairly obscure historical figure in the West, and in any event Tibet is likely to be fairly self-contained throughout the remainder of the Chinese Revolution, unless attacked.

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Manchuria, consisting of the provinces of Heilongjiang, Jilin, and Liaoning, is overwhelmingly Han (though including many sinicized - or assimilated - Manchu in that category, actually), and the composition of the People's Republican government reflects this. It has a total population of approximately 42 million.

Chen Duxiu's government makes it seat at Port Arthur, which it renames "Gongjing," or the "Workers' Capital." A vernacular Mandarin, called Putonghua, is made the official language, and reforms to the writing system are initiated simplifying the characters considerably, while (unwieldy, for reasons I've stated before) phonetic systems based on Cyrillic and Roman characters are also introduced.

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East Turkestan, Mongolia, and Manchuria are all receiving Level IV Social Services from the Union (about 10 production points). The Leftist wing of the Nationalists inside China proper is able to distribute Level III Social Services to an additional one hundred and fifty million Han (50 production points) with help provided by the Union. These figures include additional wastage (20 production points) required to set up initial distribution networks, and other aid (10 points) lost to Warlords.

Secret IC:

Prime Minister Jinnah has ordered that Special Forces units be sent into Tibet to gather information. They are ordered not to attack anyone unless attacked, and have been given money with which to buy information.

Secret IC:

Prime Minister Jinnah has ordered that Special Forces units be sent into Tibet to gather information. They are ordered not to attack anyone unless attacked, and have been given money with which to buy information.
Now, why'd you have to go and do that? Do you have any idea how hard it is to research what the most likely behavior of some totally obscure dude like the Ninth Panchen Lama might be under these circumstances? I was trying to get people to leave it alone, but no. Jinnah's got to know.

Sheesh.

Tibet
claims and controls all of Tibet on this map, plus the mountain hexes in the Arctic weather zone.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/fullimage/95677

It has 2 Alpine corps in Lhasa. Tibet approaches India for a treaty of friendship, a commercial treaty and a mutual defense treaty with the LTA. This is to ensure its continued survival no matter who wins in China.

Turkmani -Uigar Republic
Controls Kashgar and Urumchi, and everything in China within 5 hexes of those 2 cities (except what Tibet has). A Turkish mechanized corps (with a Yugoslav division) is in Urumchi, along with a Turmani garrison unit. An addition 2 Turkmani garrison units are in Kashgar (the capital) and 2 cavalry units are on the border of China. A railroad extends from the Union city of Semipalantisk to Urumchi and from there runs across the Gobi desert eventually reaching Lan Chow and Peking. The Republic has 1 production point in Urumchi (mining industry)

Mongolian Republic
Controls Ulan Bator, what is shown as Mongolia, plus 1 hex beyond that in China itself. A railroad was constructed during the 2nd Great War (as was the one in the Turkmani-Uigar Republic) from Irkutsk to Ulan Bator and then to Peking. The Mongolians have 2 garrison units in Ulan Bator, and 2 Cavalry corps on the Chinese border near Peking. Mongolia has 1 production point per turn from Ulan Bator (representing agricultural and mineral exports to Russia).

Manchurian Republic
Controls what is shown as Manchuria on the map. Mukden is a major industrial center, and Harbin and Port Arthur also have significant industry. Manchuria is blessed with large iron and coal deposits, and has signficiant agriculture. It also is well linked to the Union and Korea and China by rail and has a good port at Port Arthur. Harbin, Port Arthur and Mukden each have 2 garrison units. Major Union forces are currently moving in by rail to Manchuria as well. Manchuria has 7 production points a turn in wartime. In addition, it has 4 shipping units.

(to be continued)

OOC:

I'm not quite sure why Manchuria seceded. After all, it was stated that Manchuria is overwhelmingly Han, yet the rest of China that didn't break up is also overwhelmingly Han. If anything, Manchuria should be closer to "real" China than, say, Tibet or Turkemistan.

Manchuria has 42 million people, mostly Han, while China "proper" has more than 150 million Han, to quote Vas himself...

China proper is able to distribute Level III Social Services to an additional one hundred and fifty million Han

Could someone please enlighten me on this?

OOC:Could someone please enlighten me on this?

It has a large population of proleteriat, and only Mukden had a garrison. Therefore Labor was particularly strong here. Manchuria isn't so much a nationalist revolt as a more effective version of the revolts further south.

The Union backed the Rebels and the Nationalists made a deal so that the Union would allow war supplies and oil to reach them from the Union and the outside world (via Korea and Vladivostok) to get around the Japanese blockade in exchange for the Nationalists giving up Manchuria.

In short, Tibet, Laos, Cambodia and Sinkiang are lost to local ethnic nationalism (supported by the outside world), while China has a proleterians versus capitalist class struggle plus is dealing with a foreign invasion.

The Panchen Lama is a patriot and a moderate, who prefers self-rule to Chinese domination.

He left Tibet after the Dalai Lama’s government compelled his monastery to pay an "arbitrary" tax for maintaining a militia.

He is ill, and day-to-day government is being handled by his monastic and military officials.

Tibetans in general were oppressed by the Tian dynasty’s ruthless and often corrupt officials, who came into the mountains like conquistadors in the (usually fruitless) search for the “vast mineral resources” that the Emperor was certain lay untapped in the Himalayas. The officials rarely stayed long - staying alive in the Himalayas is too expensive for prolonged expeditions - and found a great deal, but only some iron deposits in the East had any chance of becoming profitable given the expense of transport and extraction. This policy was one of Guozu’s least effective in terms of cost-benefit analysis, and left a legacy a bitterness behind it.

There are about eight hundred thousand Han in Tibet, almost all of them in the province of Amdo. They tend to be prosperous townsmen, and get along with their rural Tibetan neighbors as a matter of necessity. Most are indifferent to the changes in regime in China proper, and consider Tibet their home. They call the Imperial surveys one of the Emperor’s "Five Big Mistakes," though their answers tend to vary regarding what the other four are (they always include the colonization of Mongolia, though). Around twenty-five thousand have left for China proper for various reasons.

OOC:

I'm not quite sure why Manchuria seceded. After all, it was stated that Manchuria is overwhelmingly Han, yet the rest of China that didn't break up is also overwhelmingly Han. If anything, Manchuria should be closer to "real" China than, say, Tibet or Turkemistan.

Manchuria has 42 million people, mostly Han, while China "proper" has more than 150 million Han, to quote Vas himself...



Could someone please enlighten me on this?
"China proper" is the official term historians use for Han China, the blank area on the Secession Map. (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/hrstrovokia/E20Eastasia19341.gif) It has 468 million people in it, which is more than the 150 million you quote. Those 150 million I mentioned are only the recipients of CCP aid within China proper, not the total population of China proper. Even the Union has only so much money to throw around, and there are therefore about 318 million Chinese who aren't getting any help from the Communists.

Edit - My math is bad. The recipients of Level III aid from the Communists should be around 130 million. I think.

Manchuria, as GB mentioned, isn't an ethnic separation movement, but an ideological one. Chen Duxiu's first loyalty is to Warsaw (as historically it was to the Comintern), and Manchuria is wealthy and easy for the Communists to hold.

In RL, after WWI, Bavaria seceded from Germany to declare itself a Soviet Republic. Not because the Bavarians didn't consider themseelves Germans, but because they wanted to establish a Communist state. That's basically what's happened in Manchuria, which is historically (though not necessarily ethnically) distinct from China proper, as well.

Nationalist China
controls Peking (3 factories), Tientsin (3 factories), Taiyuan, Xian (TsiAn), Chengchow, Wuhan, Hangchow, Changsha, Foochow, Canton (3 factories), Hong Kong (2 factories), Kwieyang, Kunming (2 factories), Nanning and all hexes adjacent to those cities. This gives the Nationalists 7 points of production a turn in 1934, which will become 13 points a turn in 1935 (assuming all remain in Nationalist hands at that time).

2 garrison units each in Peking, Tientsin, Tiayuan, Tsian, Canton, Hong Kong.
2 infantry units each Hangchow, Wuhan, Chenghow, Kwieyang, Kunming, Nanning. 3 fighter (Hawker Hart, I15, He51), 3 pilots at Canton, plus 1 light ship unit (40 torpedo boats). 1 fighter unit (P26), 1 flying boat transport unit(mixed) 2 pilots at Tientsin plus 1 light ship unit (40 torpedo boats). 1 fighter unit (P26), 1 air transport unit (Ju52), 2 pilots at Peking.

Plus the French have reached China, and have 1 HQ unit, 1 alpine corps and 1 mechanized corp west of Tsinan, and 2 mechanized corps north of Tsinan, plus 2 fighter units (DW520), 2 pilots at Peking.

Warlords
Sechuan has disintegrated further, and warlords control Lanchow (3 factories), Chunking, and Chengtu. Each city has 2 garrison units each. For now the factories in Lanchow produce 1 point a turn. Hainan island also is in warlord hands, but has no significant defenses.

Japanese held territory
The Japanese control Shanghai (5 wrecked factories), Tsinan, Tsingtao, and Nanking (1 wrecked factory). They have 2 infantry corps in each city, plus 1 fighter unit (Ki27 Nate), 1 bomber unit (Nakajima Ki48 medium bombers), 2 pilots located in Shanghai.

The Japanese launch no offensives in May, apparently previous losses have caused them to reassess the situation before further operations begin.
(ooc, haven't received orders yet from Fluffywuffy)

Okay.

I'd like to build 4 infantry corps and 1 HQ so that I can sway the warlords to my side. I believe GB stated that the warlords will join my side if I can move 4 infantry and 1 HQ unit next to their territory.

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Mongolian Builds (1/turn)
3 points provided by the Union for Level III Social Services – however, Nokor militia intercept and destroy 1, and redirect the other; effectively, Mongolia has Level V Social Services for its two million Mongol inhabitants, and nothing for its eight million Han.

Additionally, the People’s Republic of Mongolia has acquired 2 field artillery units and 1 theater supply unit from the Union (Covert Appropriations for 1934)

July/August
1 cavalry unit (1 point of 2)

September/October
1 cavalry unit (finished)

November/December
1 point reserved


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Uighur Builds (1/turn)
3 points on Level IV Social Services for 1934, from the Union
Additionally, the Turkmani-Uighur Republic has acquired 2 field artillery units and 1 theater supply unit from the Union (Covert Appropriations for 1934)

July/August
1 cavalry unit (1 point of 2)

September/October
1 cavalry unit (finished)

November/December
1 point reserved


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Manchurian Builds (7/turn)
14 points on Level III Social Services for 1934, from the Union
Additionally, the People’s Republic of Manchuria has acquired 2 field artillery units, 2 mechanized infantry units, and 1 theater supply unit from the Union (Covert Appropriations for 1934)

July/August
1 coastal artillery at Gongjing (formerly Port Arthur; 1 point of 3)
1 flak artillery at Gongjing (1 point of 3)
Fortifications at Gongjing (1 point of 2)
1 flak artillery at Shenyang (formerly Mukden; 1 point of 3)
1 mechanized rocket artillery (1 point of 3)
2 infantry (2 points of 4)

September/October
1 coastal artillery at Gongjing (formerly Port Arthur; 2 points of 3)
1 flak artillery at Gongjing (2 points of 3)
Fortifications at Gongjing (finished)
1 flak artillery at Shenyang (formerly Mukden; 2 points of 3)
1 mechanized rocket artillery (2 points of 3)
2 infantry (finished)

November/December
1 coastal artillery at Gongjing (formerly Port Arthur; finished)
1 flak artillery at Gongjing (finished)
1 flak artillery at Shenyang (formerly Mukden; finished)
1 mechanized rocket artillery (finished)
3 points reserved

Chairman Chen will take Kim in - there's a sizable Korean minority in Manchuria, after all. However, the People's Republic isn't going to war any time soon if Chen can help it. If Kim makes himself too much of nuisance Chen might just have him shot.

OOC: Okay. I'm cool with that. Why not have him do spying work, then?

What of refugee traffic? Would there be any resulting from the current goings-on, or is that to the discretion of Sharina and GB?

OOC: Okay. I'm cool with that. Why not have him do spying work, then?

What of refugee traffic? Would there be any resulting from the current goings-on, or is that to the discretion of Sharina and GB?
There'd be vast movement of displaced persons, actually, which will swell civilian casualties considerably (exposure, starvation, banditry, etc.) over the course of the war, as people flee Warlords, Communists, Nationalists, ethnic Separatists (twenty-five thousand from Tibet is going to be nothing compared to the human surge from Mongolia - mostly in the East, too, near "my" territories)), or Japanese, depending on who they're on the wrong side of at the moment.

Almost all of the movement will be internal, however, as there's no other place nearby for a lot of them to go that won't be just as bad or isn't blocked off by somewhere just as bad.

Thanks for bringing that up. It might've slipped my mind for awhile (possibly permanently) otherwise. Yet more of a disaster. Oi.

The Japanese launch no offensives in May, apparently previous losses have caused them to reassess the situation before further operations begin.
(ooc, haven't received orders yet from Fluffywuffy)

I thought I sent you orders....

EDIT: Well, just going to send them again.....

There'd be vast movement of displaced persons, actually, which will swell civilian casualties considerably (exposure, starvation, banditry, etc.) over the course of the war, as people flee Warlords, Communists, Nationalists, ethnic Separatists (twenty-five thousand from Tibet is going to be nothing compared to the human surge from Mongolia - mostly in the East, too, near "my" territories)), or Japanese, depending on who they're on the wrong side of at the moment.

Almost all of the movement will be internal, however, as there's no other place nearby for a lot of them to go that won't be just as bad or isn't blocked off by somewhere just as bad.

Thanks for bringing that up. It might've slipped my mind for awhile (possibly permanently) otherwise. Yet more of a disaster. Oi.

OOC: True...I did offer asylum for refugees, but that might be a challenge for them to get to Korea.

And how should I RP Kim getting to Korea, if at all? And would it cost points to deploy him there?

OOC: True...I did offer asylum for refugees, but that might be a challenge for them to get to Korea.

And how should I RP Kim getting to Korea, if at all? And would it cost points to deploy him there?
It won't cost points to deploy Kim, as it were. Just assume he and his entourage are welcomed at Gongjing by Chairman Chen, who will probably give him a pretty long leash, at least to begin with. Go ahead and start RP'ing him.

And yes, to get to Korea, Leftist refugees might pass overland through Manchurian territory, but that's probably where they'd stay, and non-Leftists wouldn't want to go through there in the first place. By sea, the Japanese control Shandong. Any refugees who could make it through their warships would be the sort of people who would be welcome in Japan.

So you have the best of both worlds, really. You've made a good, humanitarian offer that you won't have to keep.

OOC: All this talking about Railroads got me thinking.

Back in whenever the hell I built the Trans-Eurasian Railroad, I never specified where exactly it runs, at least in China. It was just the Trans-Siberian plus railroads all over the Balkans and then going to Istanbul and then branching to Damascus then Baghdad and on to Tehran. However, beyond that, I never specified which cities connected to China.

Now, that seems to be a rather big problem.

Should I just determine which cities were connected (Port Arthur of course, but there would be others) and then make that important to the whole thing?

It won't cost points to deploy Kim, as it were. Just assume he and his entourage are welcomed at Gongjing by Chairman Chen, who will probably give him a pretty long leash, at least to begin with. Go ahead and start RP'ing him.

And yes, to get to Korea, Leftist refugees might pass overland through Manchurian territory, but that's probably where they'd stay, and non-Leftists wouldn't want to go through there in the first place. By sea, the Japanese control Shandong. Any refugees who could make it through their warships would be the sort of people who would be welcome in Japan.

So you have the best of both worlds, really. You've made a good, humanitarian offer that you won't have to keep.

Somewhere in and around Gongjing-

Kim Il-Sung had arrived, with several friends, a briefcase, a head full of ideas (all of them crazy, grandiose, and somehow clear). He had been in and out of jail by this time, known to his comrades and government men alike as a crazy, firebrand revolutionary whose orthodox Communist views clashed with the "New Thought" party initiatives. He had a clear sense of organizational ability, and was a veteran of both Party organizational sessions and the School of Hard Knocks, gaining experience in leading his men, building his group up....

The only saving grace for him? That train ride, paid for by the Party, who seemed eager to say good-bye to him. Figured. He didn't like them much.

His relatively modest living area in Gongjing-an old apartment that was in good shape, though sparsely furnished, served as the headquarters for him and his retainers. Here, Kim carried out an uncertain role, as a spy, and a revolutionary. Chen was welcoming, but cautious. He waited ofr a big job....something to make his stay worthwhile....in the meantime, he bided his time, doing the occasional quiet job, making a strategy, etc....

OOC: Here's Kim's intro. Hope this works. If not, let me know.

Parthini']OOC: All this talking about Railroads got me thinking.

Back in whenever the hell I built the Trans-Eurasian Railroad, I never specified where exactly it runs, at least in China. It was just the Trans-Siberian plus railroads all over the Balkans and then going to Istanbul and then branching to Damascus then Baghdad and on to Tehran. However, beyond that, I never specified which cities connected to China.

Now, that seems to be a rather big problem.

Should I just determine which cities were connected (Port Arthur of course, but there would be others) and then make that important to the whole thing?
Might not be a bad idea. The question is, how many railways did you build? I guess we're connected from Almaty (Alma-Ata on the WiF map) to Uighuristan (either Kashgar or Urumqi, I don't remember), through to the Silk Road (into Gansu Province, along the Wall to Lanzhou), and thence to China proper. I don't know if we've got anything in Mongolia. I've been assuming not. As far as I know there's nothing connecting Tibet, either.

I know I built a connection to Kabul and then I think to Rawalpindi and Multan.

Sharina's been posting only erratically, and confusedly. Since Sharina seems to be having a hard time with his decision-making for critical things like strategy and construction schedules, our perennial E20 floater (and excellent strategist and tactician), Safehaven2, will henceforth be issuing orders for and guiding the strategy of the Nationalists under Jiang Jieshi in Sharina's absence and indecision.

Just as he did for Russia when I had my own meltdown.

This is to be a cooperative effort between the two players, not a replacement. If Sharina issues orders that conflict with Safehaven2’s, Sharina’s will take precedence unless otherwise noted.

There'd be vast movement of displaced persons, actually, which will swell civilian casualties considerably (exposure, starvation, banditry, etc.) over the course of the war, as people flee Warlords, Communists, Nationalists, ethnic Separatists (twenty-five thousand from Tibet is going to be nothing compared to the human surge from Mongolia - mostly in the East, too, near "my" territories)), or Japanese, depending on who they're on the wrong side of at the moment.

Almost all of the movement will be internal, however, as there's no other place nearby for a lot of them to go that won't be just as bad or isn't blocked off by somewhere just as bad.

Thanks for bringing that up. It might've slipped my mind for awhile (possibly permanently) otherwise. Yet more of a disaster. Oi.

I have been noting the civilian casaulties and homeless population so far, and its getting bigger fast. Expect a new update tomorrow on that. Figure about 10 million refugees in China proper, another million fleeing the various outlying areas (mostly from Mongolia)

Might not be a bad idea. The question is, how many railways did you build? I guess we're connected from Almaty (Alma-Ata on the WiF map) to Uighuristan (either Kashgar or Urumqi, I don't remember), through to the Silk Road (into Gansu Province, along the Wall to Lanzhou), and thence to China proper. I don't know if we've got anything in Mongolia. I've been assuming not. As far as I know there's nothing connecting Tibet, either.

I know I built a connection to Kabul and then I think to Rawalpindi and Multan.

I assumed existing raillines and multilane highways that exist as of 2005 as the basis... which connects as indicated so far in posts. There is a large highway that runs from Irkutsk to Ulan Bator to Beijing at this time, so that is a logical place for a railroad to have been built (and allows me to use modern maps for communication routes)

the Battle of Canton and Hong Kong

The Japanese make their next offensive toward the end of June. 6 carriers, 6 battleships, 12 cruisers and 50 destroyers, along with nearly 1,000 transports carrying 6 army divisions steam toward the southern Chinese coast.

The Chinese are not caught by surprise this time, and throw every plane they have in an attempt to stop the invasion. However, although numerous (nearly 1,500 fighters in all), they can't carry much of a bombload, and the pilots are untrained for naval strike missions. Although they outnumber the Japanese, who have merely 200 fighters, the Japanese Navy fliers are elite and flying the excellent A5M. The Japanese fleet also bristles with flak. The Chinese Air Force is gutted, with over 1200 aircraft shot down, or destroyed on the ground by Japanese carrier aircraft conducting their own strike. However, they do manage to claim 150 Navy fighters and 50 Navy bombers in return, gutting the airgroups of 4 of the Japanese carriers as well.

But the fleet steams on unimpeded.

The landing begins on June 20, and under the 18, 16, 14 and 8 inch guns of Japanese battleships and cruisers, the Japanese make their assault on Canton. Chinese resistance is fierce, and desperate, but ultimately after nearly a month of fighting, the ruins of Canton are cleared of Chinese forces on July 21. Nearly 100,000 Chinese troops are killed, wounded or missing, the city is a gutted wreck, and over 200,000 million Chinese civilians are dead or missing as well. In addition, 4 million others have fled inland.

Japanese losses are extremely heavy as well, nearly 50,000 in all, and the assault divisions are also gutted. But followup Japanese forces reinforce the newest foothold.

In Hong Kong, much of the population now takes flight, adding another 3 million refugees to the millions already displaced. In addition to the civilians killed directly because of the fighting, nearly a million have died since January from deprivation as they were homeless refugees, another 12 million are now in flight (total), plus another 400,000 are dead from atrocities in Mongolia and elsewhere.

ooc
China loses 2 garrison units, 3 fighter units, 1 pilot unit, Canton falls and 3 factories are lost. Also lost are 4 shipping units (scuttled) and 1 light ship unit (scuttled).

Japan loses 1 infantry corps destroyed, another shattered (which shows up in Japan again in September). 2 more Japanese corps are brought in to hold Canton however. In addition, 3 carrier fighters, 1 carrier dive bomber and 2 carrier pilots have been lost.

The larder is starting to run bare in Japan though. Of 12 infantry and 1 Marine corps at the beginning of the war, the Japanese have lost 2 infantry and 1 marine corps and have committed their last reserves. In addition, 5 of their 8 carriers no longer have air groups (and will have to be rebuilt), and they are short 3 carrier pilots.

The Navy having won yet another victory, threatens to bring down the government if resources are not directed toward at least replacing their aircraft. The Army naturally claims it was their victory, and complains of their casualties and need for more resources to win the war.

Sharina's been posting only erratically, and confusedly. Since Sharina seems to be having a hard time with his decision-making for critical things like strategy and construction schedules, our perennial E20 floater (and excellent strategist and tactician), Safehaven2, will henceforth be issuing orders for and guiding the strategy of the Nationalists under Jiang Jieshi in Sharina's absence and indecision.

Just as he did for Russia when I had my own meltdown.

This is to be a cooperative effort between the two players, not a replacement. If Sharina issues orders that conflict with Safehaven2’s, Sharina’s will take precedence unless otherwise noted.

OOC:

Let me address this.

First, the reason why I'm overwhelmed is because this week I've been involved in a major project at work- redesigning websites for a town's entire school system, which doesn't allow me to post on NS on a regular basis. I try to login NS whenever I have the spare time, or whenever I have the occassional few minutes of free time.

Second, I'm also overwhelmed because there's almost 200 posts in this war thread within just 3 days. With the limited time that I have this week, I'm not able to read every post and then forumulate strategies and plans to every attack and every situation within 30 - 60 minutes like some of you guys may be able to do. Right now there's more than 5 situations I have to deal with. Japan, Union, France, the 4 secession states, etc.

Things are happening too fast for me to handle, because by the time I analyze and know what to do with one situation, say, Japan, then everybody else will be doing the other 4+ situations 2 or 3 steps ahead of me or the war moves ahead by 30 - 50 posts. I can't do break-neck RP and strategizing speeds at this rate (50 - 75 posts a day).

Thus, this is why I'm kinda shooting in the dark here. In just 3 RL days I went from my China I *knew* what I was doing with to a completely different China, with no Emperor, rebellious factions, 4 secession states, and a major Japanese invasion. What's one to do when these things keeps piling on and on?

Thus I am indeed willing to have assistance dealing with this, and Safehaven is more than welcome to advise me and post what needs to be done if I can't get to the action in time (strategizing or building) due to the break-neck speed of this RP.

OOC:

Due to the IJN whining (and because I feel that having so many carriers without pilots is dangerous), I'm going to change up my build and get those bastards some fighters. I'll do that in a little bit. Those army and navy bastards do need to STFU, though, I can't be playing military politics while trying to subdue my neighbor. Oh well.

IC:

The Japanese civilian government congratulates both the Imperial Japanese Army and the Imperial Japanese Navy for their teamwork and brave efforts in China. It is only through their teamwork that Japan can crush the last remnants of the aggressor Chinese government and protect the people of China from communism.

Secret IC:

Prime Minister Jinnah has ordered the creation of a special brigade of soldies, numbering around 600 men, to be sent into Tibet in late spring, 1935. The 600 men are to be hand-picked by their commanders, based on the following traits; language-skills (speaking Tibetan is a plus, and speaking Mandarin wouldn't hurt either), mountain-climbing skills, ability to live in high-altitudes (you may be suprised, but living tens of thousands of feet in the air is NOT easy. The Air is quite thin), and self-sustainability. They will be trained in negotiation-techniques, guerilla warfare, and sabotage. They will also be taught how to teach basic sabotage techniques to local Tibetans, to aid them in their fight for liberation.

General Alfred Valenzuela was coming back with revenge on his mind. It had been a couple months since his defeat in Hong Kong this time he was prepared. He was coming with 100,000 men ready to fight. He had just stopped in Honolulu to refuel and his next stop was in the Philppines. Then China. Alfred hoped that the Japanese were preoccupied at the moment. President Francisco was going to sent a notice to the world that Mexico was declaring war against the rebels in China before he attacked. President Francisco had also asked the Japanese Government in secert not to fire on his ships because he wants to help them.

OOC:
Thus I am indeed willing to have assistance dealing with this, and Safehaven is more than welcome to advise me and post what needs to be done if I can't get to the action in time (strategizing or building) due to the break-neck speed of this RP.
That was the idea, and I apologize if I gave any other impression. I totally understand being too busy (that's why I mentioned my own meltdown during the Second Great War).

Indeed, my own ISP is giving me so much trouble right now I might need an assistant (and just where is Parthini, exactly? Oh yeah, at his girlfriend's).

-SNIP-

A telegram has been sent to you....

General Alfred Valenzuela was coming back with revenge on his mind. It had been a couple months since his defeat in Hong Kong this time he was prepared. He was coming with 100,000 men ready to fight. He had just stopped in Honolulu to refuel and his next stop was in the Philppines. Then China. Alfred hoped that the Japanese were preoccupied at the moment. President Francisco was going to sent a notice to the world that Mexico was declaring war against the rebels in China before he attacked.
Do you have anyone's permission to do this, Comstan? This looks a lot like the kind of behavior we kicked you out for last time. You'd need to clear this movement with the Americans, and which "rebels" are you suppsed to be fighting, anyway? The Nationalists are the government, now, and if you want to assault Gongjing, pal, you're in for a big hurt. And whose ships are you using to cross the Pacific? Anyway?

Do you have anyone's permission to do this, Comstan? This looks a lot like the kind of behavior we kicked you out for last time. You'd need to clear this movement with the Americans, and which "rebels" are you suppsed to be fighting, anyway? The Nationalists are the government, now, and if you want to assault Gongjing, pal, you're in for a big hurt. And whose ships are you using to cross the Pacific? Anyway?


OOC: aww come on, let him send his unprepared troops with no training in landing to foreign soil without backup or supply lines. And watch as they are massacred when they attempt to hit the beach. Hey you know what, have him send his Sniper Forces. Besides, GB should let him go, thats 100,000 less potential Migrant workers/illegal Immigrants that border patrol won't have to deal with.

The French continue to await the rest of the FEF, but begin digging in along the Yellow River. The French Armee d' le Air begins aggressive patrols to keep enemy recon planes out of their airspace.

In addition, the French begin dropping printed leaflets over the countryside telling the Chinese that the French are allies and will help the Chinese people drivethe Japanese invaders back into the sea. It asks thatthe Chinese assist the French soldiers however they can.

OOC: I'm using coverted Merchant Ships. Also I need to think about the rebels I'm going to fight. The reason I'm helping China so they won't fall to communism. I'm not going to attack for another two day. The Mexican Regular Troops have just gotten out of Honolulu.

Hey, the day you can give me the same type of pleasure a good woman can give will be the day I pay more attention to you!

Besides, this weekend is finals so I'll have a lot of "study hall". Just shoot me a holler.

I thought you liked all this power anyways... sheesh.

General Alfred Valenzuela was coming back with revenge on his mind. It had been a couple months since his defeat in Hong Kong this time he was prepared. He was coming with 100,000 men ready to fight. He had just stopped in Honolulu to refuel and his next stop was in the Philppines. Then China. Alfred hoped that the Japanese were preoccupied at the moment. President Francisco was going to sent a notice to the world that Mexico was declaring war against the rebels in China before he attacked. President Francisco had also asked the Japanese Government in secert not to fire on his ships because he wants to help them.

under neutrality rules, the United States cannot provide base facilities to a convoy of troops en route to a war that the US is neutral.

ooc
in addition, the Mexican government doesn't have the shipping to move 100,000 troops unless you convert a shipping unit permanently into a transport or defer using it in 1934 for commerce in order to allow for strategic moves. I suggest you talk to the Japanese about providing transports for that purpose. The US is quietly recommending that all Western Hemisphere nations and LTA nations stay out of the mess in Asia.

Parthini']Hey, the day you can give me the same type of pleasure a good woman can give will be the day I pay more attention to you!

Ugh. You might want to rephrase that.

I thought you liked all this power anyways... sheesh.
And yes I do.

In Mongolia, hundreds of thousands of Han Chinese flee south as Mongolian ethnic cleansing continues.

In Nationalist China, luckily it is a good year for crops, so famine isn't a problem yet for most Chinese. But for the millions of refugees, without a social safety net as the Nationalist government is forced to divert every resource to raising an army to fight the Japanese, it is a disaster. Tens of thousands of refugees start to die, and famine, the old curse of China, returns again.

In Japanese occupied China, the occupation is harsh, and is marked by frequent executions to enforce order.

ooc
but none of the widespread atrocities that marked the historical Japanese occupation of China.. at least not yet.

American merchant ships carrying war supplies to China begin reaching Korean ports. Another 1,000 P26 fighters and 500 A12 attack bombers have been shipped (excess obsolete American planes).

From there, the crated aircraft are transported by rail through Manchuria to Peking and other parts of Nationalist China.

American merchant ships carrying war supplies to China begin reaching Korean ports. Another 1,000 P26 fighters and 500 A12 attack bombers have been shipped (excess obsolete American planes).

From there, the crated aircraft are transported by rail through Manchuria to Peking and other parts of Nationalist China.

The Chinese government thanks the United States for its support, and hopes that it will mark a new beginning of better relations between the new China and the US.

The Chinese government thanks the United States for its support, and hopes that it will mark a new beginning of better relations between the new China and the US.

OOC: I think earlier I made a similar offer of gun and aid shipments to the Nationalists. Lemme bring that up....


To: Nationalist Forces
From: Syngman Rhee, Speaker of the Congress of Korea

I have witnessed your troubles with the Japanese and the Communists.....as well as that other riff-raff in the West. We were wondering that, since the Chinese state has been good to us, why can't we be good to it?

What I am proposing is a deal to sell vital war supplies to your forces. I mean guns, food, ammo, whatever you need. Send me a reply if interested.

OOC:

Oops, sorry about that. I must have overlooked that in the 200+ posts in the past 3 days here in this thread. My apologies, I shall rectify that immediately.

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IC:

The Chinese government appreciates the offer from Korea and we are even more appreciative given that China aided Korea in their hour of need, and thus, Korea is returning the favor.

Upon the end of the war, if there is anything China can do within reason, we will gladly do so. We hope for even more improvement in the relationship between our two people.

IC:

The Chinese government appreciates the offer from Korea and we are even more appreciative given that China aided Korea in their hour of need, and thus, Korea is returning the favor.

Upon the end of the war, if there is anything China can do within reason, we will gladly do so. We hope for even more improvement in the relationship between our two people.

To: Chiang Kai-Shek
From: Syngman Rhee

We will authorize Korean companies to begin selling guns and food to the Nationalist forces. Do you have any accessible ports? If not, we can use overland routes.

OOC: GB, would it be possible for me to use overland routes to start selling guns to Nationalist China? And how would this work, point-wise?

ooc: I've read most of the thread now.

IC:

Brazil declares idealogical support for the rebels but will make no moves on the practical front, though several PRF cells are activated and the shadowy organisation begins quitely commandeering transport and it is estimated that up to 300 activists can be mobilised to China if transport guarantees are made. What is more important than their numbers, however, is the experience the PRF has in guerilla warfare.

To: Chiang Kai-Shek
From: Syngman Rhee

We will authorize Korean companies to begin selling guns and food to the Nationalist forces. Do you have any accessible ports? If not, we can use overland routes.

OOC: GB, would it be possible for me to use overland routes to start selling guns to Nationalist China? And how would this work, point-wise?
The People's Republic of Manchuria will allow shipments of weapons to pass to the Nationalist Government, so long as the latter recognizes Manchurian independence.

OoC:
I just got got my Chinese-English Dictionary back today from cousin, who was using it on a trip to Taiwan. I'm pretty happy about that.

One of things it's helped me with is the name of the PRM, here, which has nothing to do with the actual Manchus, of course. The official name of the PRM in Putonghua is actually Heijiliao Renmin Gongheguo, and it is named after the three provinces that compose it (Heilongjiang, Jilin, and Liaoning), rather than after ethnic "Manchuria" (Manzhou). But Manchuria is what Westerners are likely to call it anyway.

Just sayin.

OOC:

I need to know which cities the Japs have taken or are currently occupying.

I hold Shanhai, Nanking, Canton, and Tsing-tao (I know it's a port and starts with a T). I might also have Tsi-nan, not sure on that though.

The People's Republic of Manchuria will allow shipments of weapons to pass to the Nationalist Government, so long as the latter recognizes Manchurian independence.

OoC:
I just got got my Chinese-English Dictionary back today from cousin, who was using it on a trip to Taiwan. I'm pretty happy about that.

One of things it's helped me with is the name of the PRM, here, which has nothing to do with the actual Manchus, of course. The official name of the PRM in Putonghua is actually Heijiliao Renmin Gongheguo, and it is named after the three provinces that compose it (Heilongjiang, Jilin, and Liaoning), rather than after ethnic "Manchuria" (Manzhou). But Manchuria is what Westerners are likely to call it anyway.

Just sayin.

OOC: So, how do I respond?

OK, I've done China's builds.

China has 8 factories left, 2 points per factory times 3 for wartime spending. So 48 points a turn.

So for this turn I would like to spend as China:

20 Points for Lv 1 Social net for 200 million people
15 points for 15 infantry corp(15 points left)
2 points 2 HQ(10 points left)
7 points 7 fortifications(7 points left)
2 points 2 Lv 6 fighters(2 points left)
2 points 2 pilots(2 points left, 5 turns)

Any problems?


And no Japan you dont hold Tsing tao but you do hold Tsinan.

OOC: So, how do I respond?
Basically, Chen Duxiu wants to be sure that any weapons passing through Manchurian territory won't be used against him later.

Really, it's up to the Nationalists (Sharina) from here: if they recognize Manchurian independence, the shipments will be allowed through. Otherwise you'll have to risk shipping them by sea to Tianjin.

Japanese held territory
The Japanese control Shanghai (5 wrecked factories), Tsinan, Tsingtao, and Nanking (1 wrecked factory). They have 2 infantry corps in each city, plus 1 fighter unit (Ki27 Nate), 1 bomber unit (Nakajima Ki48 medium bombers), 2 pilots located in Shanghai.

After this we had the Battle of Canton, where I also took Canton. Based on this I hold Tsingtao, unless China has beaten me in battle in some post I missed and taken it from me.

OOC: Hm, guess i was wrong.

Nationalist China
controls Peking (3 factories), Tientsin (3 factories), Taiyuan, Xian (TsiAn), Chengchow, Wuhan, Hangchow, Changsha, Foochow, Canton (3 factories), Hong Kong (2 factories), Kwieyang, Kunming (2 factories), Nanning and all hexes adjacent to those cities. This gives the Nationalists 7 points of production a turn in 1934, which will become 13 points a turn in 1935 (assuming all remain in Nationalist hands at that time).

I also quote this after I looked at your build, and saw you had 48 points per turn. Also, I think you spend the safety net stuff at the start of each year.

Basically, Chen Duxiu wants to be sure that any weapons passing through Manchurian territory won't be used against him later.

Really, it's up to the Nationalists (Sharina) from here: if they recognize Manchurian independence, the shipments will be allowed through. Otherwise you'll have to risk shipping them by sea to Tianjin.

ooc: That'll be tough. I have little or no merchantmen to speak of. And there is always the Japanese. Technically, Korean-Japanese relations have warmed, but who knows what may occur.....

Nationalist China
controls Peking (3 factories), Tientsin (3 factories), Taiyuan, Xian (TsiAn), Chengchow, Wuhan, Hangchow, Changsha, Foochow, Canton (3 factories), Hong Kong (2 factories), Kwieyang, Kunming (2 factories), Nanning and all hexes adjacent to those cities. This gives the Nationalists 7 points of production a turn in 1934, which will become 13 points a turn in 1935 (assuming all remain in Nationalist hands at that time).

2 garrison units each in Peking, Tientsin, Tiayuan, Tsian, Canton, Hong Kong.
2 infantry units each Hangchow, Wuhan, Chenghow, Kwieyang, Kunming, Nanning. 3 fighter (Hawker Hart, I15, He51), 3 pilots at Canton, plus 1 light ship unit (40 torpedo boats). 1 fighter unit (P26), 1 flying boat transport unit(mixed) 2 pilots at Tientsin plus 1 light ship unit (40 torpedo boats). 1 fighter unit (P26), 1 air transport unit (Ju52), 2 pilots at Peking.

Plus the French have reached China, and have 1 HQ unit, 1 alpine corps and 1 mechanized corp west of Tsinan, and 2 mechanized corps north of Tsinan, plus 2 fighter units (DW520), 2 pilots at Peking.

Warlords
Sechuan has disintegrated further, and warlords control Lanchow (3 factories), Chunking, and Chengtu. Each city has 2 garrison units each. For now the factories in Lanchow produce 1 point a turn. Hainan island also is in warlord hands, but has no significant defenses.

Japanese held territory
The Japanese control Shanghai (5 wrecked factories), Tsinan, Tsingtao, and Nanking (1 wrecked factory). They have 2 infantry corps in each city, plus 1 fighter unit (Ki27 Nate), 1 bomber unit (Nakajima Ki48 medium bombers), 2 pilots located in Shanghai.

The Japanese launch no offensives in May, apparently previous losses have caused them to reassess the situation before further operations begin.
(ooc, haven't received orders yet from Fluffywuffy)

situation before the attack on Canton

My build takes into acount the loss of Canton and Hong Kong. Also GB, I sent you orders.

I hold Shanhai, Nanking, Canton, and Tsing-tao (I know it's a port and starts with a T). I might also have Tsi-nan, not sure on that though.

you hold Tsinan as well.

Honk Kong, incidently, is effectively cut off by the Japanese occupation of Canton and will not provide points to the Nationalist Chinese economy in July until Canton returns to Nationalist control.

At this point the Nationalist now have Peking (3 factories), Tientsin (3 factories), Kunming (2 factories) that are actually producing anything a turn and available. The Nationalists have around 300 million people in their territory at this point (as Canton, Hong Kong and Shanghai and the areas around them are extremely densely settled). That means 30 points a year to provide level 1, which is enough to stave off any more famine and succor the refugees. Or 5 points a turn. However, at this point, Nationalist production is only 4 ponts a turn, or 28 points a year (next year it increases to 42 a year, or 7 points a turn).

In short, the Nationalist Chinese economy is now badly crippled, and it can either build units, or feed the starving refugees, but not both. If 2 points are spent a turn, it will stop the worst of the famine for this year, leaving 2 points a turn for military production.

My build takes into acount the loss of Canton and Hong Kong. Also GB, I sent you orders.

see my post

Basically, Chen Duxiu wants to be sure that any weapons passing through Manchurian territory won't be used against him later.

Really, it's up to the Nationalists (Sharina) from here: if they recognize Manchurian independence, the shipments will be allowed through. Otherwise you'll have to risk shipping them by sea to Tianjin.

The US merchant ships have orders from the State Department to honor the Japanese blockade. The ships go to Korea and unload, so if all else fails, Korea is about to have a lot of relatively decent but somewhat obsolescent aircraft unless Manchuria allows passage.

Remember that the Communist wing of the Nationalists is distributing 50 points worth of aid to the Chinese civilians in their territory, through Workers' and Peasants' Mutual Aid Associations. That's after loss from Warlords and network set-up. If spread thin, that will provide Level II services for two hundred million, and Level I services for a hundred million.

OK, that kills my build.

With Union help on the Social front heres my build..

So I'll put 1 point into Social care and 3 into 3 inf corps.

The US merchant ships have orders from the State Department to honor the Japanese blockade. The ships go to Korea and unload, so if all else fails, Korea is about to have a lot of relatively decent but somewhat obsolescent aircraft unless Manchuria allows passage.

OOC: Mmm...aircraft.....

IC:

The Rhee Government allows the shipments to land, and attempts to try and make room. But, it also knows that unless the Manchurians let them in, they won't be going anywhere, and they may have to try and force their way through the Blockade.....which will not be easy.

OK, that kills my build.

With Union help on the Social front heres my build..

So I'll put 1 point into Social care and 3 into 3 inf corps.
Put the 1 point in reserve. It won't do you any good in social spending.

Ok, build number 3 coming up now...4 points 4 inf.

Remember that the Communist wing of the Nationalists is distributing 50 points worth of aid to the Chinese civilians in their territory, through Workers' and Peasants' Mutual Aid Associations. That's after loss from Warlords and network set-up. If spread thin, that will provide Level II services for two hundred million, and Level I services for a hundred million.

I assumed that... figure some aid to the areas under warlord control (Sechuan) as the Workers and Peasants view them as more vulnerable politically than the Nationalists (who have at least some legitimacy).

Incidently, SECRET OC
as the US is interested in France getting humiliated, the US will transfer sufficient trucks etc to build an HQ immediately for Japan. (this reduces the US Army strength by 1 HQ unit).

However, to maintain the appearances of neutrality, the US will be forced to publicy cut the sales of scrap iron to Japan (cost Japan 3 build points a year, goes into effect next year). In addition, the US government will release its hold on the 6 shipping units held of the Nationalist Chinese Merchant Marine (which if smart will stay out of the Pacific and Japanese clutches). This will increase Nationalist Chinese builds by 1 point a month (figure they are generating cash that the Nationalist government can use).

Ok, build number 3 coming up now...4 points 4 inf.

infantry corps are 2 points, militia corps are 1 point, garrison units are 3 points (see first page of economic thread).

I assumed that... figure some aid to the areas under warlord control (Sechuan) as the Workers and Peasants view them as more vulnerable politically than the Nationalists (who have at least some legitimacy).

Incidently, SECRET OC
as the US is interested in France getting humiliated, the US will transfer sufficient trucks etc to build an HQ immediately for Japan. (this reduces the US Army strength by 1 HQ unit).

However, to maintain the appearances of neutrality, the US will be forced to publicy cut the sales of scrap iron to Japan (cost Japan 3 build points a year, goes into effect next year). In addition, the US government will release its hold on the 6 shipping units held of the Nationalist Chinese Merchant Marine (which if smart will stay out of the Pacific and Japanese clutches). This will increase Nationalist Chinese builds by 1 point a month (figure they are generating cash that the Nationalist government can use).

OOC: Can Korea get some of that? We need help with our merchant fleet.

infantry corps are 2 points, militia corps are 1 point, garrison units are 3 points (see first page of economic thread).

I know, im spending 4 points on 4 inf, at that rate itll take 2 turns, I looked at the econ thread before I posted.

Does that shipping point count for now? If it does I'll put it into another corp.

I know, im spending 4 points on 4 inf, at that rate itll take 2 turns, I looked at the econ thread before I posted.

Does that shipping point count for now? If it does I'll put it into another corp.

yes

OOC: Can Korea get some of that? We need help with our merchant fleet.

those are Chinese ships belonging to Nationalist China, so no

I've been thinking about this...

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China will recongize Manchuria's independence only if it will supply China with most of Manchuria's iron and coal reserves.

Britain releases the 6 Nationalist Chinese ships currently interned in British ports back to China with similar advice to the Americans.

Britain also asks the Nationalists whether they would be interested in accepting shipments of old British army surplus rifles (Lee Enfield Mark IIIs) that are going to be disposed of shortly. There are hundreds of thousands of these weapons currently cluttering up British warehouses and they can be shipped to Korea for transfer to China if the Chinese government agrees.

Military situation China September 1934
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Nationalist China
controls Peking (3 factories), Tientsin (3 factories), Taiyuan, Xian (TsiAn), Chengchow, Wuhan, Hangchow, Changsha, Foochow, Hong Kong (2 factories, isolated, no production), Kwieyang, Kunming (2 factories), Nanning and all hexes adjacent to those cities. This gives the Nationalists 7 points of production a turn in 1934, which will become 13 points a turn in 1935 (assuming all remain in Nationalist hands at that time).

2 garrison units each in Peking, Tientsin, Tiayuan, Tsian, Hong Kong.
2 infantry units each Hangchow, Wuhan, Chenghow, Kwieyang, Kunming, Nanning, mountain hex south of Nanking and Wuhan.

1 flying boat transport unit(mixed) 2 pilots at Tientsin plus 1 light ship unit (40 torpedo boats). 1 fighter unit (P26), 1 air transport unit (Ju52), 4 pilots at Peking. 2 fighter units (P26), 1 bomber unit (A12) stuck in Korea (without pilots).

Plus the French have reached China, and have 1 theater supply unit, 1 alpine corps, 1 mechanized corps west of Peking, 1 HQ unit, 2 mechanized corp west of Tsinan, and 2 mechanized corps north of Tsinan, 2 fighter units (DW520), 2 pilots at Peking, 1 fighter unit (DW520), 1 single engine maritime bomber unit, 1 single engine bomber unit (Tientsin),

Warlords
Sechuan has disintegrated further, and warlords control Lanchow (3 factories), Chunking, and Chengtu. Each city has 2 garrison units each. For now the factories in Lanchow produce 1 point a turn. Hainan island also is in warlord hands, but has no significant defenses.

Japanese held territory
The Japanese control Shanghai (5 wrecked factories), Canton (3 wrecked factories) Tsinan, Tsingtao, and Nanking (1 wrecked factory). They have 2 infantry corps in each city, except for Tsingtao, which has 2 mechanized corps and 1 HQ. In additon, 3 fighter units (Ki27 Nate), 1 bomber unit (Nakajima Ki48 medium bombers), 4 pilots located in Shanghai. In addition, 1 Navy 2-engined naval air unit (Nell) is in Formosa. The Japanese have 3 carriers available, with 2 fighters, 1 torpedo bomber.

Turkmani -Uigar Republic
Controls Kashgar and Urumchi, and everything in China within 5 hexes of those 2 cities (except what Tibet has). A Turkish mechanized corps (with a Yugoslav division) is in Urumchi, along with a Turmani garrison unit. An addition 2 Turkmani garrison units are in Kashgar (the capital) and 3 cavalry units are on the border of China. A railroad extends from the Union city of Semipalantisk to Urumchi and from there runs across the Gobi desert eventually reaching Lan Chow and Peking. The Republic has 1 production point in Urumchi (mining industry)

Mongolian Republic
Controls Ulan Bator, what is shown as Mongolia, plus 1 hex beyond that in China itself. A railroad was constructed during the 2nd Great War (as was the one in the Turkmani-Uigar Republic) from Irkutsk to Ulan Bator and then to Peking. The Mongolians have 2 garrison units in Ulan Bator, and 3 Cavalry corps on the Chinese border near Peking. Mongolia has 1 production point per turn from Ulan Bator (representing agricultural and mineral exports to Russia).

Manchurian Republic
Controls what is shown as Manchuria on the map. Mukden is a major industrial center, and Harbin and Port Arthur also have significant industry. Manchuria is blessed with large iron and coal deposits, and has signficiant agriculture. It also is well linked to the Union and Korea and China by rail and has a good port at Port Arthur. Harbin, Port Arthur and Mukden each have 2 garrison units. Port Arthur is now fortified, and the Manchurians have 2 infantry corps in mountains north of Tientsin. Manchuria has 7 production points a turn in wartime. In addition, it has 4 shipping units in Port Arthur (blockaded).

The Nationalist Chinese and French have the initiative, followed by the Rebels (everyone else) and then the Japanese. The weather is clear, but is certainly going to become mud soon.

Chinese Build September:
7 Factory points+1shipping point

5 points Inf (finished)
3 points fortifications(3 points needed)

To England:

China will of course accept any help you can give although we must ask if there are any other, more modern, weapons you could provide us with? Modern rifles and machine guns, trucks, planes, we are in need of modern armaments.

OOC:Would England providing those rifles count as a few points toward infantry or militia units as China won't have to make them rifles now?

I've been thinking about this...

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China will recongize Manchuria's independence only if it will supply China with most of Manchuria's iron and coal reserves.
Chairman Chen will assent, and allow the shipment of American planes to pass through Manchurian territory.

Japanese held territory
The Japanese control Shanghai (5 wrecked factories), Canton (3 wrecked factories) Tsinan, Tsingtao, and Nanking (1 wrecked factory). They have 2 infantry corps in each city, except for Tsingtao, which has 2 mechanized corps and 1 HQ. In additon, 3 fighter units (Ki27 Nate), 1 bomber unit (Nakajima Ki48 medium bombers), 4 pilots located in Shanghai. In addition, 1 Navy 2-engined naval air unit (Nell) is in Formosa. The Japanese have 3 carriers available, with 2 fighters, 1 torpedo bomber.

OOC:

A question. I thought Japan only had 1 Ki27 Nate unit in China? Where did the other two come from, as well as the 2 extra pilots?

Also when did Japan resupply its carriers with planes and pilots? Lasty I remember, Japan was only beginning to divert points to resupplying its Navy or risk a Navy vs Army revolution.

Thrust and Riposte – The Fall Offensives
September 1934

The French launch a major offensive across the Yellow River aimed at taking Tsinan and then move on to Tsingtao. They commit the bulk of their air strength to the attack, and the Japanese reply with the bulk of their air strength. Losses are heavy, with 500 French and 1000 Japanese fighters lost along with 500 French bombers. Although French aircraft are marginally superior to the Japanese Army fighters, the Japanese have numbers and are able to prevent the French from gaining air superiority. (ooc losses: 1 French DW520, 1 French light bomber, 1 French pilot, 2 Japanese Ki27 fighters, 1 Japanese pilot). Unable to gain air superiority, the French attack anyway, trusting in the heavy tanks and superior artillery. However, the Japanese are well dug in, and hold out in 7 weeks of vicious fighting that claims 100,000 French and 100,000 Japanese casualties before finally the French get across and take back Tsinan. (ooc the French are forced to use their HQ to reorganize their disorganized remaining 2 mechanized corps in the area plus their remaining fighter. OOC losses are 2 French 7 point mechanized corps and 2 Japanese 5 point infantry corps).

The Nationalist Chinese decide not to attack, as they are stronger sitting on the defense and wait for the inevitable Japanese push. However, infantry in Nanning and Kweiyang move up to Canton to prevent any further Japanese move inland.

The Rebels sit tight, content to see how the situation plays out.

The Japanese are forced to cancel a planned amphibious landing and decide to retake Tsinan and crush the French. Land based navy and army bombers escorted by carrier fighters attack the French at Tsinan using chemical and high explosive bombs (mustard and phosgene). The French are badly disrupted, and in the air, the Japanese carrier fighters remain the most successful in the world, driving off the French interceptors. Civilian would have been horrific except for the fact that so many have already been killed or made homeless in the last two rounds of fighting in the ruined city. Nevertheless, tens of thousands of civilians who foolishly remained are dead.

The Japanese attack using chemical shells as well when they attack with 2 infantry and 2 mechanized corps, and take back the city and destroy both French mechanized corps at the cost of another Japanese infantry corps (50,000 Japanese and 100,000 French casualties added to the 100,000 French casualties from the previous fighting). (ooc, the Japanese use their HQ to reorganize their 3 remaining corps).

With the French expeditionary force shattered, the Nationalists are unable to reestablish a defense line on the Yellow River. Desperate to relieve the pressure, they launch an attack on Canton with their forces in southern China (4 infantry and 2 garrison corps), but suffer heavy casualties and are repulsed (ooc 1 dead Chinese infantry corps and 1 dead Chinese garrison unit, 100,000 casualties). On the plus side, the Manchurians allow supplies from Korea to reach Peking, and the Chinese Air Force now has 3 fighter units and 1 bomber unit (as it places the 2 transport units in reserve without pilots for now).

Now the Japanese launch two new offensives. Leaving an infantry corps to guard the flank at Tsinan, the mechanized forces drive on Chengchow, easily taking the city and destroying 2 Chinese corps along the way (continuing to use chemical weapons and have a tech level advantage). This time civilian losses are heavy, another 200,000 dead, but nearly 3 million more refugees are created as people flee the chemical attacks. Also lost are another 100,000 Chinese troops as casualties and critically, the last rail link connecting northern China to southern China.

In Canton, a Japanese corps is replaced by a corps sized Mexican Expeditionary force and that Japanese corps makes a landing at Foochow, which is weakly defended. The Mexicans and Japanese then attack Hong Kong, but although they destroy the Chinese garrison, the Mexican corps is destroyed as well (50,000 Chinese and 50,000 Mexican casualties, plus another 200,000 Chinese civilian casualties). Lacking the strength to cover both Canton and occupy Hong Kong, the Japanese elect to remain in place for now and Hong Kong remains in Chinese hands. (ooc, however the factories in Hong Kong are now wrecked as well).

OOC:

A question. I thought Japan only had 1 Ki27 Nate unit in China? Where did the other two come from, as well as the 2 extra pilots?

Also when did Japan resupply its carriers with planes and pilots? Lasty I remember, Japan was only beginning to divert points to resupplying its Navy or risk a Navy vs Army revolution.

recent builds account for the Japanese fighters, the Navy has 8 carriers, 3 of which still have aircraft. The Navy would not start a revolution, it would merely bring the government down in the Parliamentary sense.

The Japanese Army victory over the French Army now makes it extremely difficult for the Navy to bluster much.

OOC: Please show me where I ordered a suicidal ground assault against dug in infanttry that would have left me exposed to a vicious counter-attack? I wanted to get air superiority before attacking!

I did not order my forces to take back that city. I did not order the mto cross the Yellow River. What i did order was an air assault against the enemy's airforce.

OOC: I am confuse where did the Mexicans come from..I thought, they didn't have enough transport for 100,000 troops..

OOC: Please show me where I ordered a suicidal ground assault against dug in infanttry that would have left me exposed to a vicious counter-attack? I wanted to get air superiority before attacking!

I did not order my forces to take back that city. I did not order the mto cross the Yellow River. What i did order was an air assault against the enemy's airforce.

you had a very good chance of success, until very bad dice rolls occured. As it was, it probably has bought the Nationalists 6 months of time in north China and South China due to the losses inflicted on the Japanese. If you hadn't attacked, the Chinese would have lost three more cities in the Fall. Plus possibly two more.

Ottoman, the Japanese telegramed me that he was transporting the Mexicans.

you had a very good chance of success, until very bad dice rolls occured. As it was, it probably has bought the Nationalists 6 months of time in north China and South China due to the losses inflicted on the Japanese. If you hadn't attacked, the Chinese would have lost three more cities in the Fall. Plus possibly two more.

Ottoman, the Japanese telegramed me that he was transporting the Mexicans.

I understand you tried to help us there, but from now on please don't make any major decisions like that without us. There were specific reasons we did not decide to attack, same with Canton, and the moving of troops next to Canton? It might not sound like it makes sense but there are reasons behind the plans we've brought forth.

Soryy if I came across as harsh, I apreciate what your doing a lot, just wanted to clear this up.

OOC: OK. I'll TG you some orders and try to make something out of this mess....

IC: In France, the goverenment reacts quickly and turns the focus from the defeat onto the fact that the Japanese barbarians used chemical weapons against French troops. They focus the French anger on that and begin riling the population into a killing frenzy against the Japanese. The key word now is "revenge". Revenge for ther East China sea battle ten years ago. And revenge for the gassed troops at Tientsin. New posters show brutal Japanese comitting atrocites. French governement films hint at the Japanese slaughtering thousands of Chinese civilians.

French troops are now issued appropriate gear and precautions are taken to insure it does not happen again.