NationStates Jolt Archive

This is, from now on, the sole recipient of out of character messages. I'll also put up here important links and the such. Here are a few.

Maps
Map of the Region (http://modernwarstudies.net/map.jpg)
Map of the Empire (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5821/macabeemap7hd.gif)

Weapon Systems
[Kriegzimmer: All of my technology, as well as most of Hailandkills, is located at Kriegzimmer, which you can follow by going to my signature.]

Oceania Reference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481718)

On a side note the roll of Sarcanza is being done by CommunismRevisited-. Quite sexily I might add.

Tagging so I can find this later. Most of my tech can be found under the ALPHAtech listing in my sig, vehicles I'll have a link up for soon once I have the time to sit down and put them all in one place.

Just a quick OOC overview of what I got in theater, I'll edit in more detail later when i look it up and as things move along.

Up north there are a total of 13 divisions, plus armored brigades, comprising the Guard. Down south are another 8 divisions plus a few armored brigades. Each division is basically comprised of 15,000 combat troops with 7-9,ooo support troops attached. 250 guns, 500 mixed APC/IFV's and 100 tanks.

Weaponry:

http://s6.invisionfree.com/Draka_Technology/index.php?act=idx

So, do I need to change anything in my post?

SafeHaven, don't forget about the thread!

Total losses so far:
42 Rain
11 Valkyries
25 EB-9’s
384 arty guns
4,528 infantry killed
8,263 wounded/missing
12 destroyers
3 cruisers
13 miscellaneous smaller ships
total dead-10,274

This doesn't include the latest posts which I'll respond to today and tommorow. Also I think theres been a misconception as to my troop deployments, there are more troops up north than down south.

Yea, but I though the ones down south were better trained that the ones in the north.

Ya, but thats not a known fact, not even my own people know that yet.

Ya, but thats not a known fact, not even my own people know that yet.

Well, I would suspect that patterns in advance would allow me to tell. The northern pincer would most likely move slower, less intact, more disorganized, while the southern pincer would move faster [although, true, it was stopped for a little while], more organized.

But yea, that's all rhetoric. But, my deployments are how they were originally, and don't really take in mind the various training factors for either pincer...so it should be fine.

err.. I intended to wait a bit to sort of reperesent just how far away Mekugi is from the golden throne and the massive journey it takes to get there, but I think I may have over-reacted justa bit and seem to have faded away...

Still here, and will have a post and what not soon I just keep getting myself caught up in things be it the Novkiov incident, or Lineart and such... dont worry I still plan to lend a hand.

Can I have a link to the IC thread, please? Now that I'm back and have the time, I suppose that Risban should actually sort of reply to some things. Heh.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439156

Where's sarcanza/CommunismRevisited been?

Where's sarcanza/CommunismRevisited been?

No clue, but I told him that I replied.

SH2, can I get a rough ORBAT on your fleet around Targul Frumos, including the relative range from the port, and all the submarines? Thanks, man.

Oh yea, I also had engaged the Rains hunting my artillery down with surface to air MANPADs - the SA-33 Wraiths.

Bump!

1 Argentine
5 New Empire class carriers
10 Brimstone
10 Hellfire
12 ADV
40 Cunningham DDN
10 Leviathen
15 Orca's
1 Nike
1 Njord
multiple other auxilary/smaller ships

Thats one fleet, times that by 3 and subtract casualties which I posted on an earlier post. There are a few extra Orca's attached, other than that thats what I got. A fourth fleet is moving up bringing with it some replacement ships to make up for some, not all but some of the losses. I can't tell you how far from Targul Frumos I am, thats up to H&K and how far out he decided to engage me.

Total Losses so Far:

39x Lu-5s
7x Lu-45s
439x Corbulo SP 155mm Field Guns
100x Praetorian V batteries [along the border; they've realistically all been overrun and thus scuttled.]
65x AAA guns of all caliber
1,276x Logistical Personnel [the radars that were destroyed]
118x Infantry [anybody that died defending destroyed AAA guns]

Total Losses in Personnel: 2,513




And here's the map of Ruska, which for some reason didn't show up on the post:

http://modernwarstudies.net/Maps/Ruska.gif

I figure I might as well post my naval losses. There were four fleets in the bay area of Targul Frumos, all combined and acting as one.

Original Forces (What I started with)
4 Zealous Class SD's
8 Model Class AC's
28 Elusive Class Battleships
60 Manstien Class Destroyers
80 Seyditz Class Cruisers
80 Seawolf Class Submarines

(Total of 260 Ships + Various Small other logistics support vehicles)

What I currently have (After the attacks made)

2 Zealous Class SD's
6 Model Class AC's
21 Elusive Class Battleships
28 Manstein Class Destroyers
34 Seyditz Class Cruisers
54 Seawolf Class Submarines

(Total of 145 Ships)

[[IF YOU THINK THESE NUMBERS ARE TOO HIGH AFTER ALL THOSE ATTACKS, OR SEEMS LIKE GODMODDING LET ME KNOW. There is nothing more I want then a good RP.]]

Regarding rebel losses at the First Battle of Mons Dei:

1,715x T-80s
8,439x Frontline Personnel

Regarding Losses of the 3rd Wafen SS Pzg. Division:

100x M-Praetorians
50x Panzerwerfers
180x SOV-6s
50x Hyenas
3000x Frontline Personnel

[putting total Imperial losses so far at 6,273 with an additional 1,271 dead in Sarcanza, putting it at 7,544 dead with over twenty thousand wounded.]

Mac, should I continue on to Macabea, or should I wait for your post first?

Mac, should I continue on to Macabea, or should I wait for your post first?


Oh, I'll post. I thought I read somewhere you weren't going to be able to post anymore. But I'll put up something today.

Yeah Im probably moving before the end of the year but thats been pushed back (thank goodness) but atleast if I can unload fromt he fleet I can hand over control of my forces to you temporarily till I get settled.

On the Moorington, it's an ultra heavy battle tank but I only have twenty total [technically; for the time being in the RP I have three constructed]; one of them is in Mosnoi Bor and the other two are in my colonies elsewhere ready for the invasion of Jagada. If they are destroyed, they are destroyed, oh well - I just want them to make their debut for a much larger role in the upcoming world war [hopefully].

Hey, Mac seeing as I don't have anything better to do, would I be allowed to enter the war? Could you provide me with some information on this war and what has happened so far? Thanks :)

Hey, Mac seeing as I don't have anything better to do, would I be allowed to enter the war? Could you provide me with some information on this war and what has happened so far? Thanks :)

Well, here's the history of it so far - it's been going on for about a month or more but not much has happened because posting goes so slow on both accounts. In another thread, before I left for Spain, around five months ago, Jonach I died leaving the throne to his grandson, Prince Fedor of Dienstad, instead of to his son, Prince Heinrich of Dienstad. Heinrich flees to Weigar where for the two months I was in Spain he begins to rally the support of the Weigari rebels who have been suppressed for years by Jonach after Weigar surrendered to Jonach Catalan in the last year of the Grand Civil War [which is the war that leads to the beginning of his my history], after promising their surrender if Jonach overthrew the Macabee kings, which he did, installing himself on the finally reunited Golden Throne. So, after about four to five posts of character roleplaying Fedor decides to crack down on his father sending a special forces and an airborne [Waffen-SS] unit into Weigar [the city] which loose track of Heinrich on the first day.

So, following that escapade Heinrich decides to launch the suprise offensive into Fedala before Fedor deploys larger ground units to Weigar. So he suprises and overwhelms three Waffen-SS Panzergrenadier Divisions at the First Battle of Mons Dei, routing the 1st and 2nd PGDs and sorrounding the 3rd PGD which just surrendered on the twelvth day of the battle (or something like that). Weigar [the city] goes through a small uprising which suddenly escalates on the 6th or 7th day of Mons Dei, and now the two units are fighting their way out because they were forewarned that the administration had decided to level the city to the ground [which will happen soon; I suspect on the 14th or 15th day of the war].

In Sarcanza, once RPd by CR- , and now RPd by me because CR- is obsessed with COD II, rebels overran a city I can't spell, although I gave the name, in a long urban fight [maybe four to five IC days] and a border firebase before that [I would say 1 IC day], and now are fighting in a grueling urban battle within Marsa Bruth [which I will have to RP]. The Sarcanzan rebellion will most likely last about twenty to thirty IC days [with Marsa Bruth taking up most of it] - maybe up to 40 IC days now that I think of it.

In the south, in Ruska, SafeHaven2, which I just call Haven to simplify things, invaded to open a gash into Fedala where he could take the throne, presumably. He's south of the River Styx, although I assume that in his next post concerning Ruska he will try to cross the river where he'll meet the Morrigan and a big fat Macabee defense; he may, or he may not, get into Mosnoi Bor and Aurillac - that'll just have to be settled by the RP, but most likely than not, however that turns out, a huge counter offensive will be put forth putting the war in Northern Haven.

Mekugi is landing a division, I believe, which he may turn to my control, or he may not; depending if he has time to RP or not. Malatose was [i]suppposed to invade me at Beda Fromm but fell short. If he decides not to show up the official history on the Wiki article I plan to write will say that he suffered internal pressures by Communist forces [which he does plan to revert to a Communist government, so it would make sense].

So, that's that. If you do plan to enter the war is there anybody that would be interested in siding against us to give SH2 a needed ally? You would, of course, come in because of IADF 'obligations', and someone else could come in merely because they dislike Space Union and decided to combat SU on a third party battlefield, me.

I like the detail and storyplot of this. :) I would be very much interested in joining but I really don't have anyone that is a big enemy to me except Doomingsland (who has become neutral to me, so he isn't up for the job) and Ankhmet (who is fighting another war against someone else). So I'm not sure if I could find someone to counterbalance my arrival into the alliance.

Well, don't be disillisioned - from the talks on W@W you know damn well what's coming next. ;) And, I forgot the only naval battle that has been raging so far, for almost the entire war, the Siege of Targul Frumos which is now reaching its climax. So, if you find someone you're welcomed in; if not, again, the next war is going to be 100x better.

I think it would be better just to answer any questions here; I might not be on AIM on the right time - maybe Monday, but for now, I guess we can talk about it here. I don't know how you've been advancing, but my front is continous with reserves trickiling in from the north - maybe a division or two. In the next, or maybe the upcoming posts, I'm going to have massive reinforcements coming in, but that's coming up, not part of my defense post. So, that's the nature of my defense - of course, the approaches to the cities are the most heavily defended in proportion.

Mac, if your not going to be on AIM until tomorow, I might as well ask my question here.

If you may remember in the earlier part of the Passion Play thread, I had asked for orders on what to do with my troops at my military installation. Your high command told me to go to Aurillac, and I put 4-6 armies there (see ORBAT for exact numbers). Those large amounts of men are dug in and doing nothing, so I ask if my forces can handle the defense of Aurillac, and your men can handle Mosnoi Bor. When Haven launches his offensives on those two cities, I implore you to let me defend Aurillac. Please.

Mac, can you get online now?

Hey Mac, is it possible you can construct some sort of map of Aurillac?
I was just thinking that I have no idea what the lines could possibly look like, or which divisions I would be guarding which sector.

All I currently know about my soldiers, is that I have 4 armies, and 4 panzer corps tottaly encircling the city, with KriGud artillery/assault guns in the center.

Get back to me, thanks.

Edited in the ground war into my last post.

Casualty Update:

39x Lu-5s
33x Lu-45s
439x Corbulo SP 155mm Field Guns
100x Praetorian V batteries [along the border; they've realistically all been overrun and thus scuttled.]
65x AAA guns of all caliber
1,531x Logistical Personnel [the radars that were destroyed]
423x Infantry [anybody that died defending destroyed AAA guns]
2x Seydlitz class Cruisers
4x Manstein class Destroyers
4x Azores class Fast Attack Craft
2x Clauswitz class Frigates

Total Losses in Personnel: 5,286

Equipment Loss but no dead:

10x Lu-45s
60x Pz. XIs
8x Arca. Is
50x SOV-6 IFVs

Alright, I'm going to start writing up the Wiki article on this war and I'm going to include the beginning, the happenings at the Fields of Glory [which were not role played], the suprise offensive comprising the First Battle of Mons Dei and the Border Raid in Sarcanza, the Battle of Prok. [can't spell it] - that way I don't get overflowed with work making maps and such. It'll be the main article and each heading will link to a more specific analysis of the battle. It should be a pretty damn specific group of articles and I'll make it all into one big subcategory in war when I'm done. In some weeks when Targul Frumos is done I'll add that in, and I'm going to be typing up a post detailing what has been happening at Marsa Bruth [the Battle of Marsa Bruth in Sarcanza] and the atrocious warfare taking place there and once the Battles of Ruska and Aurillac are finished within two to eight weeks, whatever it may take, those, Marsa Bruth, the Second Battle of Mons Dei, Targul Frumos and others will be added on.

Screw it, if you want to join the war by all means join the war - I can care less about the balance of sides. Something you should take in mind, however, is that SafeHaven2 is more or less alone, with the Sarcanzan rebellion really a secondary front, while the Weigari are beginning to encounter problems, so if you're up for allying to Haven, by all means do so - please. Regardless, if you're interested in joining you're more than welcomed to do so - this is a completely open role play. If you want me to give an overview on what has happened so far, just ask, and I'll would be glad to write one out for you.

Bump for random viewers.

Heres the list of men I have attacking various places in a Passion Play. This is a list of the men attacking, and this list is without casualty reports.

Attacking Across the River
3rd panzer corps and 1/3 49th infantry division
(20,000 men and 2,100 tanks)

Shield
2/3rd of 49th infantry division
(24,000 men and 1,000 tanks)

Attack Following the River (attacking Urseline)
2/3rd of 46th infantry+ the 5000 men who did make the Helo landings at the ridge
(17,000 men and 500 tanks)

1/3rd of 48th division
(12,000 men and 500 tanks)

Ridgeline soldiers (encircled)
6400 men of 46th infantry division

Attacking the Ridge
2nd panzer corps, 2/3rds of 48th infantry, and 500 tanks from 49th.
(32,000 men and 3100 tanks)

I think you got your divisions mixed up, you have some of them up multiple times, like the 48th, 2/3 rds attacking the river...another 2/3rds attacking the ridge??

Yea, he effectively has 4/3rd of both the 49th and 48th divisions fighting....:p

Stop mocking me!! Stupid jerks....I was very tired when I wrote that.

I'm fixing it so dont worry your simple heads....

Ok, everything should be good now. Double check if you think im wrong, but I re-read everything carefully so I should be fine now.

Im coming into the war on the Side of Fedor, any idea where i can unload two hundred thousand fighting men and hundreds of AFVs without getting killed?

You could always have fun and try an amphibious landing in Haven. I don't exactly have a navy right now that could get in your way.

Yea, that would be interesting. Reaching Haven before any of the rest of us.

Alright, Mac when exactly is your battle going to finish? I'm itching for a fight. *twitches*

Sarcanza Order of Battle:

Marsa Burth:
-90,000 Infantry
-65 Armed Vehicles

Provokorah:
-50,000 Infantry
-250 Armed Vehicles [Under Construction]

Western Sarcanza:
-25,000 Infantry

Eastern Sarcanza:
-17,000 Infantry

I found the accurate spelling: Prokhorovka.

Hey Mac, I read your reply to Mons Dei, and I stumbled upon a curious sentence. I may of intpreted it wrong, but I believe in your MD post previous to this one you said that the rebels fired the LOSATs until their were no more. If that were true how did they fire them in this retaliation?

I could be wrong. If you could check it, that be cool.

BTW, I don't know how often I can be online, so I may be slow, or I may not be.

It's all good; this RP is generally slow anyways. Regardless, on that Tagus missile -yea, they're firing all the ones they have, but not necessarilly all gone in that post - your tanks began to move up I would say thirty to sixty minutes through the fighting, no? The Tagus' will most likely be gone by the end of this day, but not by the end of the hour.

Can I assume that the sub heading to Wieger made it?

Can I assume that the sub heading to Wieger made it?

Yea

Mekugi, just assume you go confirmation - you can do whatever you want, when you want, as long as you're allied with me. :p Haven, I'm going to start making bombing runs on your men crossing Zarbia to draw Zarbia into the war, and thus drawing Guffingford and Stevid [the latter being on your side, as well]. Is there anything else I need to get to [apart from the River Nestor, an update on the Weigar Uprising, and all that other good stuff]?

Hey TM, exactly how big are those battle goups of yours?

Hey TM, exactly how big are those battle goups of yours?

Haven, don't forget that a while ago I posted a naval attack/response for Targul Frumos that you never adressed.

Hey TM, exactly how big are those battle goups of yours?

A bit unfinished but:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445312

Thanks.


H&K: I plan on getting that tonight along with Macs naval post, after that I'll get my river crossing then our little battles. If I still have time I'll try to write up a political or homefront post so that we can get a different view of things instead of just fighting.

W00t: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/First_Battle_of_Mons_Dei

If you can register to NS Wiki and get some discussion going for the article [compliments, et cetera], and make it look active!

H&K, looking over your last naval post, you do realize that the Elusive BB has 16 inch guns, not 28 inchers. In fact I don't think any of Kriegzimmers products mount 28 inchers unless your talking of a ship that isn't from Kriegzimmer.

W00t: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/First_Battle_of_Mons_Dei

If you can register to NS Wiki and get some discussion going for the article [compliments, et cetera], and make it look active!

Looking good so far. Really enjoy reading its look on things, like it really happened.

[OOC: Reading the description to the Kangaroo, the maximum drop height is ten thousand meters, so if you're looking for accuracy [although this part is largely irrelevent] your bombers are going to have to fly lower than that. What is relevant is that even at ten thousand meters those bombers are going to be accessible by the smaller versions of the P.746.A, which is the P.746.B fired by the Praetorian II. Very accessible.]

OOC: Although the Kangaroo used by New Empire actually carries a 300kg ONC warhead


Regarding that para on top of your Mosnoi Bor post....Your right about the kangeroo, I thought that it ahd the same height as the Kraven, doesn't matter either way as they're being dropped over land in my hands.

As for number 2#, I had fired two kinds of missiles, Kangeroo's and a ER vesrion of the American Smart Pig which is a bomb that carriers 20 BLU-108 sub-munitions, its designed to take out large numbers of vehicles. The ER version of the Smart Pig was what opened up and dropped the sub-munitions, the Kangeroo's didn't, they struck with their 300kg warheads. Moot point now, but wanted to clear that up in case in comes up later.

Spizania, don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you, I'll get to it this week, I still have to finish my Aurillac post and get a political one up.

Did someone in the main war just use nuclear ordanance?
Dont worry Safehaven i have to get my units ready for tehre victory parade through your capital :p

Spiz: Malatose fired five nuclear tipped missiles at my small task-force at the Raid of Feathermore trench. The nuclear war will just be between him and I; we have a sort of agreement going on - it shouldn't be too big, and it shouldn't throw the RP off - it's just his tactics, and he does have a reason to be in the war - his emperor is actually related to the dynasty that fell 116 years ago [when the Grand Civil War began].

Regardless, SH, what about some sort of intelligence role playing? I just saw the movie Syriana and I have some ideas - especially with that UAV. Do you mind?

Sure, some intel rp would be pretty cool, what exactly do you have in mind?

Spiz, theres gonna be a parade in Haven, including a lot of Spizanians in cuffs and cages.

Well, Syriana and Red Pheonix to be specific.

Well, I dunno; I would have to think something up. Government sponsored terrorism, economic terrorism..I dunno - something to add something other than war.

Ok, my post is finally finished. Personally I dont think its great, so try not to rip me too bad Haven.

My new post, about the president flying to Fedala to meet with Fedor, will eventually lead to a meeting between Revello and Fedor. Im going to RP this plane landing safely, as I do not want my leader killed. I hope you understand guys, and can accept this. If not we can work something out.

For general interest, im up to about 31,000 IC words.

Has anyone seen SafeHaven2 recently?

Has anyone seen SafeHaven2 recently?

Nope; he has a busy schedule with football and all, but he should respond to your thread soon [vacation and all].

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=459998 Upcoming Zarbia-Guffingfordian conflict. Seperate thread, since it's an all-new front.

Guff, are you going to fill it in on the Wiki for the history, or do you want me to?

I'll do it, got not much to do anyway.

I'll add it to the template.

I got a real bad cold which managed to hit me on finals week and I'm getting headaches all over; I really can't RP because I can't think that well, but I'll see if I can get something up tomorrow - I don't have a final and maybe the headache will be gone.

Response to everything else tomorrow..that's if I don't hack my lungs out, or if I don't get my attention turned to Rome: Total War. You know, I do have my sword at the Gauls' neck, and the Britons/Germans are next. :( Don't expect me to be around during the weekend - if I'm slightly better I'll be in Tijuana, Mexico - whites get in for free, yes I take advantage of rascism in Mexico; and all night free drinks; so basically, I get blinded out of my mind free of charge - then the next day I'll either be asleep, or celebrating Christmas with my mother... with a very large hangover.

You lay Rome Total War? Do you want to play an Online Game? Ive got nothing else to do until SafeHaven2 Shows up

Speaking of RTW, I just enslaved the last Macedonian stronghold and have begun my conquest of Pontus.

You lay Rome Total War? Do you want to play an Online Game? Ive got nothing else to do until SafeHaven2 Shows up

Alright, but I don't have the realism mod installed and haven't played a mp game in about four months... but it's all good. I'll be on around 11:00AM Pacific Time, and if you're not on then I'll sign back on at midday...or just leave a time here.

Speaking of RTW, I just enslaved the last Macedonian stronghold and have begun my conquest of Pontus.

I'm guessing you're the Brutii?

Not Neccesarily, i did that during one of my Scippi campaigns.
Mac, whats your screen name and what patch arre you using?

Not Neccesarily, i did that during one of my Scippi campaigns.
Mac, whats your screen name and what patch arre you using?


Crap, that's right, I have to install the first patch; I just reinstalled the game after about six months or so - I'll install it tonight or tomorrow...Targul Frumos and Mosnoi Bor is awaiting.

I normally don't encrouch upon Brutii or Scipii land, simply because the Senate likes me better if I focus on what the Julii should focus, Spain, Gaul, and the Germans. I normally let the Scipii worry about Africa and the Brutii about the East, simply because when the time comes most of their armies are centered around there, and so I just take Italy, and wait for them to diffuse in order to at least put up some resistance in the West. I don't like to overstretch myself with conquests before I have to take Rome.

Are there any Havenite (or allied to SafeHaven2) Naval assets that could interfere with my invasion that i could engage now with my three gun armed Argentines?

Are there any Havenite (or allied to SafeHaven2) Naval assets that could interfere with my invasion that i could engage now with my three gun armed Argentines?

I don't believe so. I think most of his fleet is at Targul Frumos.

tagging the OOC thread so I know where it is!

Also small question, are we playing MT or all techs here? (So I can make my next post appropriately.)

Since Mac is a PMT nation, (me sort of) Krieg too I think we can classify this whole war as PMT. Mind, this is in no way FT.

Spizania, to answer your questions, no not really. Some coast defense forces, destroyers and the like, nothing major. Sorry about being away, first time i've even signed on in a week but its been hectic. My team went to state then we ended up losing by two fucking points so i was pretty bummed last week, and now its Christmas, but don't worry I haven't forgotten about this, I'll try to make up for it with a good post after Christmas.

No, actualy I am Bruttii. As for an update on my campaign, Pontus fell yesterday and I just sprung a multi-pronged offensive on the Seluecids, attacking over my land border and launching a large amphibious assault from out of Crete. I managed to lay siege to all of their cities but one in a single turn, and I've got smaller mercenary forces harrassing all the littler armies they've got running around. They should be dead soon.

Since Mac is a PMT nation, (me sort of) Krieg too I think we can classify this whole war as PMT. Mind, this is in no way FT.


Right Ok. As you probably know I'm usually strictly MT, but I'm willing to keep going in this, but my only weapon capable of reaching into space uses nuclear warheads. I need to know if thats acceptable, because if it isnt then I'm a little poo'ed on a counterattack.

Right Ok. As you probably know I'm usually strictly MT, but I'm willing to keep going in this, but my only weapon capable of reaching into space uses nuclear warheads. I need to know if thats acceptable, because if it isnt then I'm a little poo'ed on a counterattack.

I was under the impression he just shot ASATs; I guess that's what happens when I really don't understand what the 'great space battle' is about. I'm PMT, but my weapons are all based off MT designs - it's just us, with our own ordnance, are normally classifed PMT - but, again, I'm low PMT, with ETC guns and sometimes rail guns on my shipping [taking all power considerations to mind].

Jagada here, as a new nation. I'm not going to rping as Jagada anymore. Since that and the fact that I'm only 8 million population. I'll be pulling out of the RP.

I apologize for any misunderstandings that may have occured. Again, I apologize and wise you all the best. Cya.

Ah, that's a shame! And the colonial war? Well, regardless, we can either shape the attack into a history, if we can think of something clever, or we can pretend it never happened. Why did you change your country?

Eh, Jagada had a lot of undones and dead-ends. History too fragmented and didn't make sense. Also, I didn't do my military the whole time and when I did I found it too large to properly organize. I generally have to start small and work my way up. In the end, it was simply too fragmented. I mean I never got around to rping my War against Norris and such.

Though Droloon will soon be semi-high in populaton. So prehaps in the future we could RP. Not sure if I will ever be a match again. Maybe if I get enough tech and tactics.

Anywho, about the Colonial War. I noticed I was already gobbled up by you, which is fine. I didn't expect to win anywho. As for how I defeated....hmmm...eh just say you beat be back in a massive invasion in which my Fanatics took up a stance at the city of Essah. At which point, when you beat me. My nation decended into chaos and well, I guess it destroyed itself.

Jagada won't return, but I'm not very going going to just allow it to be deleted, it will still be around. Just quietly non-existanting in a chaotic work.

As for my new intro thread. Look it up its called: The Christmas Revolution [Intro,MT]. Kinda long though.

Anywho, thanks for understanding.

I was under the impression he just shot ASATs; I guess that's what happens when I really don't understand what the 'great space battle' is about. I'm PMT, but my weapons are all based off MT designs - it's just us, with our own ordnance, are normally classifed PMT - but, again, I'm low PMT, with ETC guns and sometimes rail guns on my shipping [taking all power considerations to mind].

No it was full on star cruisers that managed to pinpoint my whole satellite array distinguishing them from the millions of others that are up there.

No it was full on star cruisers that managed to pinpoint my whole satellite array distinguishing them from the millions of others that are up there.


Well, use your own ASATs to shoot down his own starcruisers; starcruisers are a bit... strange for an early MT roleplay, but ah well - Krieg is a good role player; it's not like you're facing one of those FT guys who think MT has no chance versus FT.

Thank you for defending me in my stead Mac.

But please, stop lying and exaggerating IH, for Christ's sake.

A ship that is 250 feet long is not, by any stretch, a 'starcruiser', it's not my fault if you participated in a distinctly PMT roleplay - you were never asked to participate, if you don't like it, you don't have to take part in it.

And when did I claim I had annihilated your entire satellite network?

While Archangel’s Sword and Fedor’s Fist were busy systematically annihilating the IH satellite network, other groups in the Proletarian Starfleet followed a different path…

Those are 'doing' words, they mean they're in the process of happening, they haven't happened yet, dear!

"Annihilated" and "annihilating" are quite different words, learn that before you bitch at me next time.

And also, get over it, just shoot them down with ASAT's, you don't need to go "he's ruining my western army's GPS ;'( emo tear", you just suck it up and find a way to take them down.

Directed at the Zarbia/Guffingford conflict-

I have been acting as the Sarcanzan Rebels up until this point. From what I understand Zarbia borders the Sarcanzan province, however I'm not sure about Guff. If we want to take this into a bit of a more 'multi-sided' direction we could consider adding a rebbellious element to the areas bordering Sarcanza -- areas that, if we wanted, could act as other parts of Sarcanzan. What am I getting at? The region of Sarcanza could have formerly been a country, partioned among Zarbia, Macabees, and Guffingford over time -- this revolution representing the climax of the will to reclaim that country (the desire already manifesting itself in Macabee).

But as I'm currently writing Guffingfords history in the NS forum (and have a few upcoming stories pending) which happen in (or going to happen) in 1890, 1895, 1902 and 1923. I very much like the idea of another nation being pushed aside in history, since that's what Guffingford's all about. The Zarbian conflict is partially fueled by hatred because of the loss of territory to Zarbia in 190x.

Because I already have the whole history from 1850 till 1950 written and in my head, The sarcanza nation could have existed easily. I reckon Sarcanza began suffering their first losses in Guffingford and from there the nation shrunk until it became nothing.

Thank you for defending me in my stead Mac.

But please, stop lying and exaggerating IH, for Christ's sake.

A ship that is 250 feet long is not, by any stretch, a 'starcruiser', it's not my fault if you participated in a distinctly PMT roleplay - you were never asked to participate, if you don't like it, you don't have to take part in it.

And when did I claim I had annihilated your entire satellite network?



Those are 'doing' words, they mean they're in the process of happening, they haven't happened yet, dear!

"Annihilated" and "annihilating" are quite different words, learn that before you bitch at me next time.

And also, get over it, just shoot them down with ASAT's, you don't need to go "he's ruining my western army's GPS ;'( emo tear", you just suck it up and find a way to take them down.


Wow wow wow. Ok it was a little bitch, but im determined to go on in this RP. Obviously i misunderstood your post, but if you are going about doing it then I must assume that you will take most of them out because I have no effective counter ready immeadiately and from what I understand from your post you have a sizeable number of ships in earth orbit? I have agreements with allies to use their satellites (supplied to them by me) so I have no problem with losing the network as I can work at a reduced capacity using neutral flag satellites. (That will also make it slightly more interesting for me to RP I think.)

Sorry about calling it a starcruiser, Im not aware at all what the designation of a spaceship is depending upon length, gunnery etc. In retrospect perhaps reading your thread on it rather than skimming it and just checking the pictures was rather haphazard of me and for that I must apologise. In the long RP post that I wrote up yesterday without internet access im afraid they are referred to several times as star cruisers, but I will adjust that before posting it up as soon as I can today.

Pschycotic Pschycos... His post, dear God... The horror of it all, the inaccuracy... Eugh!

"DEF TO TEH KREEGZ! GLOREE 4 GUFINFERD AN MACABEEEZ LOLOL!"

Seriously: word. Check the situation here: Kriegorgrad attacked IH satellites and has even sent a communique to Guffingfordii leadership telling of the Collective Oligarchy pledging support. Once again: DOUBLE-U TEE-EFF?

EDIT: To IH: Okay, thanks, all problems are solved now.

Sorry for not responding H&K but I spent the day working and writing this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Portland).

Glad you like the idea Guff.

In essense the idea of a former Sarcanza helps everyone. It will turn the war into not just a two sided conflict, but three sided. We can also use the joint rebbellion in the countries as a means to eventually end the war -- under the pretense that after some fighting the countries decide to instead turn their attention to reclaiming the rogue province that aims to destablize the entire region and spur on further revolution.

Seriously, we need to cut some people from this RP. Make it closed all ready...

Definitely. I added a note to the first post of our war thread stating the conflict is now closed. Unless you have a pretty damn good reason, you're not gonna join. I have no problem with people who can't make their stories exciting, but at least check your spelling/grammar prior to posting. Not only does it look better, it also looks more professional.

Here are the sides. By looks of it, its quite fair.

Zarbia Camp
Zarbia
Stevid
Independent Hitmen
Safehaven2

Guffingford Camp
Guffingford
Kriegorgrad
The Macabees

For the Zarbian conflict yes, thats about right. As for the theatre itself its bit more diversified.

(in order of joining)

Havenite-
Safehaven2
Maltose*
Zarbia
Stevid
Independent Hitmen

Macabean-
Macabees
HailandKill
Mekugi
Guffingford
Kriegorgrad

*Though not necessarily aligned with Safehaven, they are an agressor against Macabean intrests

Theres another theatre in this war that noones paying any attention to, but when Safehaven2 gets back theres the Haven Homeland axis of the war. its open to anyone out of the Passion Play, anything to get it moving.

(Ive discussed it with Mac on MSN a while ago

MACABEAN SIDE:
Me
Mac (Probably bombing and stuff)

HAVENITE SIDE:
SafeHaven2

Glad we got that sorted out Krieg! Misunderstanding was my fault. But anyway moving on...

Im not sure I will have the time to join in the SafeHaven front when I get back to school (10th Jan), so I will focus on RPing in the direct Zarbian invasion but hopefully get to put a bit into the Havenite area of the war.

A bit of OOC knowledge that I think I should make clear here as to my geographical position in the war so as it is a little clearer as well as some basic background stuff (I can be a little scatty sometimes so hopefully this will make me easier to understand!):

1) I am RPing as if my nation is North of the Imperial Armies Region but a sizeable distance away, hence the problems that I will have with getting large amounts of troops into theatre.

2) I have bases in several nations (Dr_Twist, Russian Forces, ViZion, Credonia, Abrams and Redge are the most notable and relevant) but I will not launch direct strikes from them as they are considered neutral locations.

3) IH Naval Task Forces travel with supply ships and other auxiliary craft as standard and sometimes I forget to mention that they are there. Fleet Oilers are always included in the force if conventionally powered ships are present (which they always are).

4) I tend to like to RP an example of a particular type of warefare, I.E a Tank Company, as a general example of what a particular type of unit would act like in battle scenarios. I tend to keep large scale movements of forces in a seperate post involving a presidential briefing or General Officers talking.

(I hope that didnt sound like an explanation to dummy's, which I Know you guys aren't, but I thought i had better make it clear.)


Also if anybody needs information about any weapons I use (its not all crappy US stuff Guff :P) I will be happy to post it on here.

Well, since this war only happens in our region I don't think those bases will come in handy. But since I don't really like RPing with Dr_Twist, ViZion or Russian Forces anymore - both left a war I planned because they didn't want risk losing - and the fact I kinda stopped recognizing 'earths' (including #1) and I've dropped all of my earth stuff... You get the idea.

Pschycotic Pschycos... His post, dear God... The horror of it all, the inaccuracy... Eugh!

"DEF TO TEH KREEGZ! GLOREE 4 GUFINFERD AN MACABEEEZ LOLOL!"

Seriously: word. Check the situation here: Kriegorgrad attacked IH satellites and has even sent a communique to Guffingfordii leadership telling of the Collective Oligarchy pledging support. Once again: DOUBLE-U TEE-EFF?

EDIT: To IH: Okay, thanks, all problems are solved now.

I think it'd be wise for you to step back and realize that people make mistakes, and that not everybody can be as perfect and flawless as you. Learn some tolerance for little mistakes and errors like that.

I think it'd be wise for you to step back and realize that people make mistakes, and that not everybody can be as perfect and flawless as you. Learn some tolerance for little mistakes and errors like that.

Okey dokey, but seriously, everyone should be as perfect and flawless as me.

I shall translate your post into something mildly understandable.

HAO DAIR U KIK ME FRM THE RP! U FAGT!! MI PRESIDUNT PLAEZ GAMBOI LOL FOR TEH WIN! OLO I LUV JIPINEEZ CULTUR BUT I ORLSO LUV MY PRESIDNTS PSP GAMBOI FING LOL HE ORLSO WOTSHIS CARTUNS LOL ISNT HE KEWL? LOLOL HE WOTSHES ANIME ON HIS PESEE!

Now, I shall address the issues raised by your post via a descriptive and useful image.

Does this (http://www.orlyowls.com/owls/orly.jpg) help you feel less angsted and solve the issues raised? I do hope so poppet!

But really, do not refer to me as an “immature jerk”, your potent and devilish insults leave me in an emo mood. ;’( ;’( Emo tear 4 u?

Okey dokey, but seriously, everyone should be as perfect and flawless as me.

I shall translate your post into something mildly understandable.



Now, I shall address the issues raised by your post via a descriptive and useful image.

Does this (http://www.orlyowls.com/owls/orly.jpg) help you feel less angsted and solve the issues raised? I do hope so poppet!

But really, do not refer to me as an “immature jerk”, your potent and devilish insults leave me in an emo mood. ;’( ;’( Emo tear 4 u?

Wow....you really are immature. You know what, if everyone else wants to RP with you, fine, let them waste their time. I don't have time to be messing around with people like you who have no sense of humor, and no tolerance for mistakes. I try to act civily toward you, and apparently you just aren't on the same level as I.

And yes, you are an "immature jerk", to put in your words.

Wow....you really are immature. You know what, if everyone else wants to RP with you, fine, let them waste their time. I don't have time to be messing around with people like you who have no sense of humor, and no tolerance for mistakes. I try to act civily toward you, and apparently you just aren't on the same level as I.

And yes, you are an "immature jerk", to put in your words.

Woopshitcake, I meant to mimic you completely. I made a mistake HOLY SHIT IRONY WOOT? You're right, I've been outdone, you're on a higher plateau to me with your fascinating characters who play on hand-held kiddy-consoles and watch anime on their computers.

Jeez I got raped badly.

However, I feel bad and I will offer a chance to make amends, if you want to take the route of diplomacy, follow this link (http://www.orlyowls.com/submit/images/lolzcat.jpg) to see what I think and say to you.

Woopshitcake, I meant to mimic you completely. I made a mistake HOLY SHIT IRONY WOOT? You're right, I've been outdone, you're on a higher plateau to me with your fascinating characters who play on hand-held kiddy-consoles and watch anime on their computers.

Jeez I got raped badly.

However, I feel bad and I will offer a chance to make amends, if you want to take the route of diplomacy, follow this link (http://www.orlyowls.com/submit/images/lolzcat.jpg) to see what I think and say to you.

HAHA!! I love the kitty cat!! Thanx, keep the laughs coming!!

Get out and stop spamming this thread. I'll be forced to call the Moderators if you don't cease.

Fine, I'll get out. But check on the definition of spam, and consider who was doing the spamming before you report me.

Get out and stop spamming this thread. I'll be forced to call the Moderators if you don't cease.

Rly.

So, any word? The RP is most likley going to begin to shift towards the entire Sarcanza conflict on a whole, and Mac and me have agreed to a Sarcanzan victory at Marsa Burth, which could be used as the reasoning behind a full-scale revolt in the former lands of Sarcanza.

Contact me on AIM: thegodfather172

Sorry, no AIM here (thank God).

Guys, H&K elevated it to featured article candidate status!

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/First_Battle_of_Mons_Dei

If you're register, make sure to read it, make your decision, and then vote! (Remember to sign each vote with a ~~~~ ).

Bump

When is Safehaven going to be back, i want to KILL something.

Well it’s been brought to my attention that I use too many designations without properly explaining them in my posts (specifically the last one). Now I do remember putting somewhere in an OOC note that if asked to explain them I will be more than happy to. And so here for everybody’s benefit is my explanation of all possible terms that came up in my last thread.

Before starting if there are any terms used here which you also don’t understand please feel free to send me a nice rude telegram instead of politely asking. (By the way as soon as I’ve found how to do the little link from a word on a post I will be sure to attach it to the relevant words.)

Ok.

Firstly I think we had better start with the basics, because I am apparently a technowizzard.

C-5

A C-5 is an American transport aircraft in common use in Real Life (even though I live in England I saw one of them during last summer). Known as a “Galaxy” because of the size of its cargo bay.

More about the C-5 here: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-5.htm


TWM-1F

This is an upgraded JSTAR aircraft. Basically this aircraft uses radar to track surface targets over a fairly long range. My version works in tandem with an E-3B (just below) in order to provide targeting data to Strike Aircraft when they could be facing an Airbourne and Ground based threat.

More info on the JSTAR here: http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/jstars.htm


E-3B Sentry AWACS

The E-3 Sentry is a modified Boeing 707/320 commercial airframe with a rotating radar dome. It contains a radar subsystem that permits surveillance from the Earth's surface up into the stratosphere, over land or water. The radar has a range of more than 200 miles (320 kilometers) for low-flying targets and farther for aerospace vehicles flying at medium to high altitudes. The radar combined with an identification friend or foe subsystem can look down to detect, identify and track enemy and friendly low-flying aircraft by eliminating ground clutter returns that confuse other radar systems.

More info here: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/e-3.htm



Missile Specification

J Corp AS-1B Anti-Shipping Missile

Warhead:
Single Stage Warhead

Range:
Up to 250 miles

Launch System:
Mk.3 Sea Smart System (Ship Based Launch)
Mk.2S Missile Platform (Land Based Launch)
Mk.12B Hardpoint (Attack Aircraft)

Propulsion:
Solid Fuel Rocket Booster (1st Stage)
Turbojet engine (2nd Stage)

Navigation:

Inertial navigational packages available. Targetting data is usually sent to individual missiles from accompanying airbourne platform.

Unit Cost:
Approx $220,000 USD (Mass production orders for IH military)


Description of Key Factors:

The AS-1B Missile is the first anti-shipping missile developed by J Corp and was developed in its ExHaven test facility. Loosely based on the Hex-III missile manufactured by Venom Defence, the AS-1B uses advanced electronic links to guide itself to the target assigned by the fire control system onboard the launch craft or similar airbourne asset. The inertial GPS is essential to the operation of the missiles which can be fired to take a deceptive course to the enemy formation if necessary, although this package can be removed to make space for another fuel canister increasing the range by another 20 miles.
Due to the nature of the warhead a Submarine based version had to be designed separately which nearly led to the rejection of the missile in acceptance to the Navy. However after extensive testing, including live fire exercises, the missile was accepted with the designation AS-1B in its Ship and Air launched variants and is being introduced to the new fleet units that are beginning to appear in service after the Naval Expansion Bill. Using the new J Corp Mk.3 Sea Smart System means that the missile is likely to be fitted to many fleet units in the coming years as they are equipped with the Sea Smart themselves.
The Air Launched Version is also the same model missile but with a slightly different launch attachment that enables it to be fitted to the hard points on attack aircraft, of both carrier and land based variants. This Air Launched Version has been tested satisfactorily on modified B-52H StratoFortresses of the 9th Research Wing to determine the viability of heavy bombers as a weapons platform for the missile. Deployment to this type of launch platform has already begun.
All of the missiles use a sea-skimming attack profile for the last fifty miles of their attack. This is preceded by a super cruise at between 1000 and 5000 feet depending upon any terrain that has to be passed over.
Some AS-1B’s are equipped with a Doppler enhanced nose cone that means that instead of being targeted at the hull of the ship they will automatically seek out the superstructure in order to hit more lightly armoured but also more valuable parts of the vessel.
When impacting with the target ship the 1000-pound primary warhead is detonated upon impact.

On behalf of Guff,

on reference to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10221291&postcount=38) post.

Firstly, I'd note that with Guff's shipping' SAM range being 400 miles (what he tells me) and your ASM missile being 250~ miles, your B52s would have died before you could engage him. The B52, or BUFF (Big Ugly Fat Fellow) is an extremely large and slow aircraft which is easily detectable by modern NS standards. It has no place in attacking fleets. Considering this, and Guff's advancing search systems, his fleet would have found your aircraft and engaged them with SAMs when they entered the reliable hit area. The fact they're only flying at 30,000ft doesn't help either. What i'm saying is, realistically, your B52s would have come under attack and almost all of them would have died before they got to let loose their payload - or even after they did, not many would survive.

my2c~

I'd like to thank Hog for posting this, since I just don't know how to phrase these delicate military issues. I just have to be certain of my counter attack capabilities before replying.

that is wonderful that he has SAM's with that range, but I can fail to find any reference to a search radar based on the surface of the sea (therefore at sea level) that can actually pick up an object 250miles away at 30,000feet, let alone 400miles away. The most I have been able to find is a radar capable of 200nautical miles, and even then that is above sea level. If there is no search radar there sure as hell isnt gonna be a tracking radar.

Of course if im wrong please do share the radar with me.

Satellites connected to CELLDAR, over-the-horizon, SAMPSON like Stevid suggested. There are plenty of possibilities. Especially when the three systems are used in combation, adding up to each others potential. Seriously, considering this RP is fully PMT, I am sure these systems can pick up those airplanes with ease.

Wouldn't it be easy to assume Guff would have UAVs around his fleet to watch for this kind of attack?

To be fair, OTH radar [over-the-horizon] is a fairly big apparatus, and doesn't do well when it's shipped base - at least as well as a surface radar could do.

A small dreadnaught wouldn't have much difficulties employing it. I have to admit though, OTH can naturally be built on land and the ships are uplinked to the network. On the whole it doesn't matter, since overall detection is rather simple. AWACs in the air, or a highly advanced satellite live network. Combine it with that super computer Huzen Hagen built plus SAMPSON and CELLDAR systems and I bet I can see virtually everything.

Picture this, if you can as a home PC owner peer into the backyard of someone in NY with a nifty tool called GoogleEarth, what can I do in 203X, when this war plays? Best things money can buy.

PS: I'll dig up some information about the detection suites I'm using.

He's right, though- CELLADR is incredibly good. It does have single flaw when implemented on a ship, i'll save it for posting in IC instead of OOC.

SMAPSON is in many ways better to CELLDAR seeing as the maintenance and small size and effective means it's pretty niffty. CELLDAR has th range- SAMPSON has the capability- if both are intergrated you have a decent network.

Which is exactly what I'm doing. But CELLDAR and SAMPSON aren't the only things I use; blue LADAR II isn't like the normal LADAR systems like you're used to. Much more advanced, and I believe it is still experimental as of writing. Though I have to check this of course, I'm not really thát up to date.

Please note that the radar system is installed on ships, but the bulk of it are satellites, land based installations and AWACs connected to it. I'd be a fool if I rely fully on sea based detection systems.

In other news, SafeHaven2 doesn't have a computer! So, we'll continue with the Zarbian War, I'll open up the front in Haven, Hailandkill and I will continue our own littles battles in A Passion Play, and we'll wait for SH2 to return.

In other news, SafeHaven2 doesn't have a computer! So, we'll continue with the Zarbian War, I'll open up the front in Haven, Hailandkill and I will continue our own littles battles in A Passion Play, and we'll wait for SH2 to return.I suppose I should regear my advances then.

Oh right, what am i supposed to do? Il have my revenge

Just so you guys know. Both me and Hitmen have exams coming (I currently am taking mine this week) so we might not have as much time as we'd like on NS so forgive us in advance if we're slow to respond on the rp

____
Thanks

Exams? o.0 I barely start class on Monday.

I don't know about IH's exams, but mine are terribly important because they're mock exams- but none the less they have to be done or less i get kicked off the courses i'm doing.

mine are sodding A2 modules.

Hopefully a post coming soon if i dont pass out from exhaustion!

Just noting -- I'm here.

Sorry, class got the best of me. I'll reply to Mons Dei First, Nestor second, and Sarcanza third.

I could be persuaded to join this war, as well,,,though I have no real idea which side I would be on. What's in it for me?

*is a total whore*

Well, the provence right next to you, Sarcanza, is in full fledge rebellion, and the area on your border is basically not autonomous, as the capital of the provence, Marsa Bruth, was recently taken by the rebellion. There are Sarcanzans, most likely, in Western Monzarc, so you can formulate that into a cause for war; what side you aid doesn't matter - we're all in it for fun, so in the end, it's up to you.

*Pulls out cattleprod and checks the battery* I need to know what Guff said

Ok, my exams are all over now :) So im free to focus entirely on the Rp, thats if is continuing on the Guffingford Troops Amass on Zarbian Border Thread. If not there could someone point me in the new direction.

Much appreciated.

I don't think Krieg is posting to the thread anytime soon, if at all - I need to talk to Zarbia to continue the thread without Krieg.

Ok dokey, well as I said Im around whenever/if ever it restarts :)

Ill watch this thread for updates

my exams are over too, i've just got a few bits of coursework to do here and there but i can still rp.

Zarbia said he would continue the thread, now I need to talk to Guff. :p

Bump for Hailandkill, Zarbia, SafeHaven2, CommunismRevisited- and such...

Gah, please post?

I owe you like 3 [at the very least] posts, so I hope to have a big ass post up tomorow to atleast bring me back into the game and give you something to respond to... beyond that... well it could be awhile. S'okay?

Bump

Okay. So this is spilling into Haven now - how far is it going to spread into Haven? I don't like having a massive war on my footstep.

Depends if the actual A Passion Play progresses. SafeHaven2 responded, but never finished, and my guess is that he is currently working on what's left, which is fine, especially when you take into consideration the quality. Hailandkill...well, last time I talked to him on AIM he really wanted to finish the War of Golden Succession, but apparently he lost interest in NationStates, so it's hard to get him here and post - if I have to I'll just either RP his forces for a while, or just totally ignore that front [which I doubt]. That said, the relevence of all this to the region of Haven and the progression of war there is that I like to keep my RPing to equal footing. If I have to cut the war short due to a lack of interest then the same will happen in Haven. For now, the naval duel between the Labarnas and the Mithradates will continue, while Izistan and Gerfaanlich duke it out in the Hogsweatian colonies. The Second Empire of the Golden Throne will probably send a detachment to Gerfaanlich for some sort of minor investment of the country, and in the end, however, Gerfaanlich will remain independent, although probably with one colony less. In the end, it's really up to participation.

Depends if the actual A Passion Play progresses. SafeHaven2 responded, but never finished, and my guess is that he is currently working on what's left, which is fine, especially when you take into consideration the quality. Hailandkill...well, last time I talked to him on AIM he really wanted to finish the War of Golden Succession, but apparently he lost interest in NationStates, so it's hard to get him here and post - if I have to I'll just either RP his forces for a while, or just totally ignore that front [which I doubt]. That said, the relevence of all this to the region of Haven and the progression of war there is that I like to keep my RPing to equal footing. If I have to cut the war short due to a lack of interest then the same will happen in Haven. For now, the naval duel between the Labarnas and the Mithradates will continue, while Izistan and Gerfaanlich duke it out in the Hogsweatian colonies. The Second Empire of the Golden Throne will probably send a detachment to Gerfaanlich for some sort of minor investment of the country, and in the end, however, Gerfaanlich will remain independent, although probably with one colony less. In the end, it's really up to participation.

Mac is kinda right, I have lost some interest in NS but I think I may flare up in interest again. I will get a post up for Mons Dei by TONIGHT....I promise.

Mac, I want an honest, brutal no bullshit answer to this question because it will determine whether or not I RP again (after PP is finished ofcourse).
How do you think my RPing is? Good? Bad? At time good, at times bad?

A bullshit answer would be that you're RPing is better than the RPing of 90% of this community. It's good - of course, it could be enhanced, but even mine could be better. You already are an advance roleplayer - the only steps to take would be to take an English language class, or even a literature class, or read a lot, and have your writting take this form - in other words, write like an author. But you and I are obviously not authors [although I've wanted to be one from time to time], and so for what you are, you're roleplaying is advance.

Hey Mac... any openings in this RP?

you can ask him, although now our dear friend Guffingford is gone it seems likely it might collapse on mine and IH's front.

Hey Mac... any openings in this RP?

Hmm..I'm sure we could get you in. We would have to work out some way - all entrances have had some sort of history and good reason why they came in. But, we can work things out - it'll just take some thinking. :)

you can ask him, although now our dear friend Guffingford is gone it seems likely it might collapse on mine and IH's front.


Guffingford got a Delete on Sight by the mods for his website - which I think is beyond the mod's jurisdiction, but we all know how the mods listen to the rest of us ;) . Zarbia doesn't want to roleplay this war, and I understand, since he has a history of being very floppy on what he wants; I should have never agreed to the expansion. If you and IH want, Stevid, and I would like a lot, is that you and he join on SafeHaven2's side [the Havenic army], and support him in the south. The more the better, because after Mosnoi Bor is Ishme-Dagan - something I've been selling as the biggest tank battle in the world. The more people that can put armoured fighting vehicles, the larger it will be, no? :D

Hmm..I'm sure we could get you in. We would have to work out some way - all entrances have had some sort of history and good reason why they came in. But, we can work things out - it'll just take some thinking. :)

Ok... let me know...

this is MT right?

Ok... let me know...

this is MT right?

MT - PMT. Anything PMT would ~2020 technology. Nothing über. That said, there are special cases, but normally we just deal with it. For example, at Mosnoi Bor I'm using a Arca. III Morrigan, which is an ultra heavy battle tank (~6,000t), and in Zarbia I was about to use the Anat Self-Propelled 800mm Artillery Piece, but since Zarbia just decided he didn't want to roleplay any more, that was all retconned and I'll just use it on Haven's front. But, we all roleplay fairly - even with these larger special weapons, so we don't generally complain.

MT - PMT. Anything PMT would ~2020 technology. Nothing über. That said, there are special cases, but normally we just deal with it. For example, at Mosnoi Bor I'm using a Arca. III Morrigan, which is an ultra heavy battle tank (~6,000t), and in Zarbia I was about to use the Anat Self-Propelled 800mm Artillery Piece, but since Zarbia just decided he didn't want to roleplay any more, that was all retconned and I'll just use it on Haven's front. But, we all roleplay fairly - even with these larger special weapons, so we don't generally complain.

Ok... I should probably read the IC posts... just to get caught up... I'll do taht tonight hopefully. Let me know how I can fit in.

I use my NS nation for thsi right? Do I have to use units I specifically buy from storefronts or can i have a military within reason (the reason I ask is because I'm already in several RPs that require my military attention.)

If not, I will RP as my puppet nation: Oceanaria.

This is using your nation, yes; and I'll think it out today and get back to you. Since this is the NS world, this roleplay would be on the same parallel as any other roleplay that isn't on a specific Earth [like 21C] - so, your mobilizations here will most likely affect the ability to deploy elsewhere on NS Earth [composed of all nations in the game that RP actively].

This is using your nation, yes; and I'll think it out today and get back to you. Since this is the NS world, this roleplay would be on the same parallel as any other roleplay that isn't on a specific Earth [like 21C] - so, your mobilizations here will most likely affect the ability to deploy elsewhere on NS Earth [composed of all nations in the game that RP actively].

Ok cool.

In that case... if you want me to play I'll use Oceanaria.

Mac is kinda right, I have lost some interest in NS but I think I may flare up in interest again. I will get a post up for Mons Dei by TONIGHT....I promise.

Mac, I want an honest, brutal no bullshit answer to this question because it will determine whether or not I RP again (after PP is finished ofcourse).
How do you think my RPing is? Good? Bad? At time good, at times bad?

From what I've seen so far, your better than the grand majority of the people on NS. If you weren't good we would not have invited you.

[OOC: *cough* Vote Nay in the UN resolution for 21C!]

I did

The new one; they want to bar military satellites from Spain, which will basically put our little 'axis' in a bad place, since we're looking foward to putting at least four high powere satellites up for alliance use - launched and paid for between Italy, Portugal and Spain.

Guffingford got a Delete on Sight by the mods for his website - which I think is beyond the mod's jurisdiction, but we all know how the mods listen to the rest of us ;) . Zarbia doesn't want to roleplay this war, and I understand, since he has a history of being very floppy on what he wants; I should have never agreed to the expansion. If you and IH want, Stevid, and I would like a lot, is that you and he join on SafeHaven2's side [the Havenic army], and support him in the south. The more the better, because after Mosnoi Bor is Ishme-Dagan - something I've been selling as the biggest tank battle in the world. The more people that can put armoured fighting vehicles, the larger it will be, no? :D


sounds like a good idea:) I'll propose it to IH, if he says no then it'll just be me bit i need to start looking at Guffs map of IA first to knw where everything is again.
But i really don't want to see the Passion Play Thread die, it is really good so i'll do anything you ask me to to keep it going :P

Besides, the plus side on Guff getting deleted is that my navy totally survives (well almost)- but sadly now he's gone, he can't invade me Which I was looking forward to- test my bipedal tanks in RP) and we agreed that when he'd rule over me i'd come back later.....
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But hey... now i get to live on!

That sounds pretty good to me!

I've been very dormant on the forums really, so any chance to get back into it will be a good change for me :)

I will have to read up on the Situation on the SafeHaven front and from there i will hopefully be able to just use the forces that are already in Stevid prior to Guff's deletion to assist SafeHaven/continue that!

Yay! Well, I'll give you the Havenic Front in a not so much a nutshell:

Some days after the Imperial disaster at the First Battle of Mons Dei, Havenic troops began to cross over the border into southern Ruska [http://modernwarstudies.net/Macabee_map.gif], and I generally count the 'border battles' as around sixty days long, which would put us in August 2016 [on my calendar; you can interpret that how you want]. The Imperial Army, to weak to actually grab the iniative was forced to retreat and they completed a full withdrawl to the northern banks of the River Styx. Right now, Havenic forces are attempting to cross the Styx east of Mosnoi Bor, where the Battle of Mosnoi Bor is developing. To the west, they went around the river and are trying to hit the Killian flank at Aurillac [the Battle of Aurillac]. So, two rather stiff fights have developed. There's one more battle - and that's at Targul Frumos, which is a naval battle, pitting two Imperial Battle Groups, a now almost destroyed Killian task force, a vibrant Killian aerial fleet, and what I gather as being most of the Havenic navy. I don't really know who's winning that one, but the Havenic navy was forced to retreat into the Bay of I Forgot the Name [yes, I forgot the name - it was in my last post for Targul Frumos, and I'm too lazy to look it up :) ]. The two battlegroups are now trying to bottle up the enemy.

The other fronts are quasi important to this front. With the River Nestor completed as a victory for Fedor, that means that he will be able to shift more men to the south, since the capital is no longer threatened by the Weigari Liberation Army.

Okay cool, i'll look up and research a bit more on both your forces and Safehevens' before i start, and now i've got to think of some ecuse to what happen to Guffingford's fleet and his nation because we were really in depth in that part of the rp.

when i've got that sorted i'll check out the geography of the area and see what i can do.

Finally, i'll read up specific parts of the "Passion Play" thread on particular fronts and sections of fighting along your boarders.

**Thinks**

Damn...that's a lot...what have i got myself into?

Well, the nutshell works pretty well. I'd expect Independent Hitmen and Stevid [what's the plural form of both countries?] deployments to be completed within Havenic territory after the Battle of Mosnoi Bor - ~ 2 in character weeks or so; it might last a bit more. In any case, that means that you only reall need to keep track of the front from this point foward, as you're only interested in deployments during the latter part of the battle and after the battle, which is the most likely time in which you'll have full divisions or brigades on the ground to put into battle without it being rather piecemeal. And, put as many tanks on the ground as you can. :) The more tanks at Ishme-Dagan the better . It'll be around 1,500 Arca. I Cougar Ausva. Bs, and ~2,000 Panzerkampfwaggen XI BredtSverts ['80s tank that fought with the Macabee Royal Army during the Great Civil War] and a light brigade of ~100 Arca. I Cougar Ausva. Cs. Given common ratios for APCs/IFVs to MBTs, that's maybe 1:10, meaning there will be ~ 36,000 lighter armored fighting vehicles, including a multitude of what would be in character new Arica. I Shalmanesar Heavy APCs. SafeHaven2 I'm expecting to field an equal number or [i]more, meaning that's easily ~79,200 AFVs. :) In other words, that's 158.4 times the magnitude of Kursk, without counting Killian AFVs, Mekugian AFVs, Stevid AFVs, IH AFVs, and I don't know who else.

In any case, now to Geneticon. The politics are complex and you'll have to decide what side you want to join based upon them. The Empire is ridden with two major rebellions; Sarcanza and Weigar. Gerfaanlich, an old provence of the First Empire which was never reoccupied has recently joined to aid the rebellion, although their Super Dreadnought is currently hunting the Labarnas, and the Halmicar Floating Fortress opened fire on the Izistani, an Izistani battleship, which as just brought war in the colonies between Izistan, Gerfaanlich and the Empire. SafeHaven2, a normally right wing nation, has thrown itself against Fedor, deciding to exploit this momentary weakness to gain territory in Ruska [I think] and perhaps even install one of their own as Emperor. Stevid and IH, I believe, are throwing in their forces for the good of rebellion, and not because they have a contestant for the throne [in other words, they have 'good' intentions]. Hailandkill [the Killians] are allied to the Empire due to treaty and [i]very good relations, while Mekugi was IADF and joined the war during its membership in the alliance and thus continues to participate even though it left the IADF. That said, it's up to you to chose sides, and once you chose a side I'll work you in.

Stevid
Plural Stevidian/ Stevidians

As far as choosing sides is concerned, i'll talk it over with IH on MSN or something and we'll agree on something since we're on the same side as each other.

It shouldn't take more than a day.

I've drafted a post on Microsoft Word disscussing my hostility towards you nation. But untill the sides are drawn, i'm not going to post it just yet.

Plural as far as im concerned is just Hitmen.

Stevid, hopefully ill be on MSN later tonight and we can get it sorted out then, I also have a vague post ready however the finishing touches to me moving house are underway on saturday so posting may be delayed until sunday.

I'm on MSN once in a while: puto_poeta@hotmail.com It's much more likely that I be on IRC however, on #draftroom.

Mons Dei post is done Mac.

And why the hell aren't you on AIM?

Mons Dei post is done Mac.

And why the hell aren't you on AIM?

I'm tired as hell; what time will you be on tomorrow, abouts? I'll be on most of the day, since my dad is leaving for Ensenada, Méjico, tomorrow for both Saturday and Sunday. Unfortunately, he told me on too short notice to throw a party - but it's night of finishing parts of the Ausva. C Cougar, and BF2 baby! And, I'll show you the progress on the new tank as well.

Gangster?

Gangster?


Yes, you need to reply as well.

Where are these oilfields you and Guffingford were fighting over? I would like to send a tank force over there and try to claim them for the Golden Throne - it would make a nice naval roleplay, although with the nineteen Hitmen carriers alone it will be a tad difficult to pull anything off. Regardless, it's worth the attempt to put something together.

That sounds like a pretty good naval RP could generate from that.

As you have probably seen the Navy is my real primary fighting arm and we love our carriers :D

I will dig up the stats for the carriers, they are mostly older models as my inactivity around the start of the year has hindered my ability to get completely up with the technical advances that have been made in NS over the time.

Where are these oilfields you and Guffingford were fighting over? I would like to send a tank force over there and try to claim them for the Golden Throne.

err.... i don't wanna nit pick...but, tanks in the sea?

Anyway, a naval rp is cool with me, my navy needs a good going over against someone who isn't as invincible a Guffs one (damn, am i lucky that i survived that....).

The where abouts of the oil fields have been post on the IA message board ;)

Well as you know already, ive already tried once to get into this war, that thread sank without a trace and is probably without any hope of revival, so I asked Mac and hes willing to give me another chance, im going to post my opening post in quotes below this message, then i dont have to clog the IC thread up if its total rubbish.

Confederate Army Training Area, CAS Burkingbridge
"Two T-80s on the right, three oclock!" Yelled the tank commander.
"Tracking, target in sight, selecting cell one and two, firing one, firing two"

Two explosions blossomed outside the tank as the rounds struck home against the radio controlled tanks.

"Confirmed Two Kills, Nice job Matt" said the tank commander, grinning inspite of himself.
"Thankyou, Sir"
Came the reply from the other side of the tank.
The armoured regiment of which they were part was conducting yet another training drill in the exercise area against forces of obsolete tanks, however the M455 Mod 2 Gun was so powerful it scarcely mattered.
Drill, Drills, will we ever do anything but drills? thought the commander as he looked at the plasma screens that warapped around him, giving him an excelent view of the world outside, Gyroscopes in his headset to make his heads-up display and external audio recievers adjust to give him an easy to use and accurate description of the world outside. All in all the T108 was amongst the best main battle tanks in the world, a match for the famous Arca I Cougar or the Mekhev any day.

"All units, this is central command, good job boys, any tank force has routed, ENDEX ENDEX ENDEX, report back to base for debriefing."

IIX Corps, Rapid Reaction Command Headquarters CAS Burkingbridge

"The performance of the tank units involved in todays exercises were impressive, the T108s lost only one vehicle to a HEAT round in the rear from extreme range, the paints being cleaned off right now. If you factor in the technological dissadvantage, the units who were driving the T-80s still did admirably well, this force is in excellent condition. We could go on our first mission tommorow and still do ourselves proud, such will be my report to Field Marshall Erkinby"
stated the exercises IC, one Leutenant Williams.

The General looked around at him,
"It appears we will be going on our first mission rather sooner that you think, orders just came through from headquaters, we are to report to the naval base at Alexandria and embark our transports, they will join up with Taskforce Excalibur and take us on our first mission"
The Lt. felt his jaw drop,
"But.... Sir, we werent due to go operational for another five months"
"I know, but with all these new conflicts springing up, they need all the forces they can get"
He reached over and hit the intercomm,
"this is the base commander, send out the message i sent earlier"

Main Base Cinema
The three hundred soldiers, two hundred and fifty men and the rest women were watching True Lies, when suddenly just before a major action seqeunce the film died and the lights came up, most of the people in the cinema looked up at the projection box and started to complain, a crackle from the base PA soon quieted them

"Now here this, Now here this, All 8 Corps personel to report to assembly areas immediately, go get some!"
In some parts of the base, the cheering went on for over an hour,

Alexandria, 18 Hours later
The rear and side decks of the transports were all packed with soldiers and logistical personel, all watching thier homeland shrink away from them, how many would return to this land, how many would fall on foreign soil.
Only a few still lingered as the ships joined up with the task group that was assigned to the operation, an operation which the men and women of the corps still knew nothing about.
As Matt took one last look out at the slowly vanishing Alexandria tower, he felt himself thinking Here we go.... he turned away and went down onto the covered observation deck, time to pick up a girl or two, he thought somewhat more happily as he strode for the stairwell with a new spring in his step

Taskforce Excalibur Naval ORBAT

CSS Oozkhazi (Milliard Class Superdreadnaught)
CSS Vanguard (Indestructable Class CVN)
CSS Ireperable (Indestructable Class CVN)
CSS Hermes (Indestructable Class CVN)
CSS Indestructable (Indestructable CVN)
CSS Rommel (Model Class CVN)
CSS Inpenetrable (Model Class CVN)
CSS Victory (Argentine Class Galleon)
CSS Repulse (Argentine Class Galleon)
CSS Excalibur (Excalibur Class Cruiser)
CSS Praetor (Praetorian Class Bombardment Vessel)
CSS Honeydew (Argentine Class CVAN conversion)
CN Squadron Three (8 Seydlitz Class Cruisers)
CN Squadron Four (8 Seydlitz Class Cruisers)
DD Group Green (12 Manstein Class Destroyers)
DD Group Yellow (12 Manstein Class Destroyers)
DD Group Blue (12 Illium Class DDGNs)
AD Group Echo (12 Paramount ADVs)
AO Group (62 Fast Oilers)
3rd LSV Fleet (120 Pepperbox LSVs, 6 Manstein Class Destroyers, 12 Monterey Class Heavy Troop Transports, 4 Paramount ADVs)
5th Heavy Cruiser Squadron (16 Lance Class Cruisers)




Well up to the standards of the RP or total rubbish?

err.... i don't wanna nit pick...but, tanks in the sea?

Anyway, a naval rp is cool with me, my navy needs a good going over against someone who isn't as invincible a Guffs one (damn, am i lucky that i survived that....).

The where abouts of the oil fields have been post on the IA message board ;)


The IA message boards no longer exist :( . And apologies, I meant a naval force. :) And Spizania, perhaps more paragraphs and less plain dialogue?

The IA message boards no longer exist :(

What about the IA home page on NS...ya know, you lodge messages there...kinda message.

Yea, I saw that after I posted. :eek:

Ok Mac, I just responded to Mons Dei with what I think has been one of my better posts of the battle.

I still feel self conscious about my RP since I got back on the horse, so let me know what you think of it. On that matter, I have a question to pose to you.
It feels to me that sometimes I dont make it seem like I am taking as many losses as I really am in my RP posts. Did you notice that or is it my NS paranoia?

Open yet Mac? Or is the RP nearly over?

Wanna jion? Yeah ask Mac...but to answer your question on whether this is nearly finished.... hell no if this rp is gonna finish anytime soon, we've only just got it started again! :D

Oh and Mac, i'll put up a post with a quick fleet manifest later today... okay cool...

Well, its only just begun again because a new front opened up, AND people are responding to this front. The only battle still occuring in The Golden Throne itself is Mons Dei, because SafeHaven is no where to be seen and that front has gone stale.

Open yet Mac? Or is the RP nearly over?

It's open, it's just that new RPers need a reason, and I can't think of one. :P You'd probably need to tell us your political ideologies - although, ironically, most of the Empire's allies are democratic, although increasingly absolutist [bad influences, I guess. :P ], they joined on the side of the Empire because of past alliances and good friendships. The ones supporting a change of administration, regardless of which contestant to the throne they support, are normally democratic states, or at least states that have more liberal tendencies. So you'd have to choose sides, and then we can go on and think of a reason.

And H&K, what I say - who cares? We are mature roleplayers, we can handle discrepencies!

Stevid, what's the name of that sea, so we can give the battle a cool name?

Stevid, Ive no idea if your reffereing to my defense of Macabea, but if you are Im quite enthusiastic about our possible brawl, no hard feelings this way or that, Im quite looking forward to it.

You certianly out Missile me, but I do beleive I out gun you, and it will be interesting to see which has the advantage of land based or sea based aircraft...

Im nearly shaking im so excited... Ive been wanting a naval battle for so long... lets make it epic, agreed?

It's open, it's just that new RPers need a reason, and I can't think of one. :P You'd probably need to tell us your political ideologies - although, ironically, most of the Empire's allies are democratic, although increasingly absolutist [bad influences, I guess. :P ], they joined on the side of the Empire because of past alliances and good friendships. The ones supporting a change of administration, regardless of which contestant to the throne they support, are normally democratic states, or at least states that have more liberal tendencies. So you'd have to choose sides, and then we can go on and think of a reason.

And H&K, what I say - who cares? We are mature roleplayers, we can handle discrepencies!

I'll play as Oceanaria... which is a democracry that believes in high taxes, free voting, strong economy, and focuses funds on mainly defense. They have a tendancy to lean conservatively.

My *personal* political ideaology is independant-conservative, but isn't RPing different?

you can see the nation here: http://www.nationstates.net/oceanaria

And H&K, what I say - who cares? We are mature roleplayers, we can handle discrepencies!

I understand we can handle a little problem like that, but goddamn I had him at Aurillac! :P

So what would we do if he dropped out?

Stevid, Ive no idea if your reffereing to my defense of Macabea, but if you are Im quite enthusiastic about our possible brawl, no hard feelings this way or that, Im quite looking forward to it.



IIRC, he was referring to the naval group heading towards those oil fields between he and Guffingford. Now, chances are that I'm either going to lose or it's going to be a large pyrrhic victory, and if that's so Stevid is still going to have the ability to strike at my coasts - especially with the aid of Independent Hitmen.

Geneticon, well yes, and I was referring to your nation's ideology. It's really up to you what side you want to choose to be on. Currently these are the sides with random names - I just named my side, and SafeHaven's group hasn't really met to discuss a common alliance, or even goal, so they have no name for now.

Imperials
Second Empire of the Golden Throne [me]
Hailandkill
Mekugi

Havenic Pact
SafeHaven2
Stevid
Independent Hitmen
Weigar
Sarcanza
Zarbia

You can see the roughdraft to about 1% of the article here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/War_of_Golden_Succession).

H&K..if he dropped out that would potentially ruin the war, as well as about 10 write-ups I have in Kriegzimmer so far...we need to get as far as Ishme-Dagan, and then after that we can work out an end if he's getting bored.

What do the Imperials have in common?

We were all very good allies at some point.

Stevid, what's the name of that sea, so we can give the battle a cool name?

Ha ha! Lord knows, i'll think of a half decent/decent name when we engage, and about the post Mekugi posted...let me get this straight...it is YOUR mac that is approching the oil fields, or is it his, or both?

We were all very good allies at some point.

Yeah, i do miss those days, all that time plotting against nations such as Credonia. In fact Geneticon, if Credonia didn't exist, and i hadn't found out the password to his region...Imperial Armies may well not exist, we were all brought together after the invasion... hell of a story but now times have changed and most of us are enemies.... (the main reason being that there was nothing decent on the forums, the first regional war never got off the ground, it was take up spare time to have some fun... IT'S WORKED!!)

It's my fleet - since both Mekugi and I have three SDs he got confused.

Well... which group is more conservative... and which group is bigger?

Can anyone give me an overview of each faction?

The Havenic Bloc is larger naval wise - at least with the inclusion of Stevid and Independent Hitmen. By that I mean the local strength, although if SafeHaven2 looses his four fleets at Targul Frumos, the Havenic fleet is near nonexistant. On the ground, right now, where it matters the Imperials have more men, or have the capability of putting more men in faster [the Empire has only ~200,000 men around Mosnoi Bor, while Haven has ~1 million...but the Empire is about to mobilize everything from first echelon to strategic reserves, meaning that's a good ~20 million soldiers, including around ~16 million logistics personnel - that's ground army only. The air force will probably not see an overly huge expansion from where it is already at, while the navy won't either well until 2019-2021, which is so far, beyond the scope of this war. The most conservative would be the Imperials, beyond the shadow of a doubt.

The Havenic Bloc is larger naval wise - at least with the inclusion of Stevid and Independent Hitmen. By that I mean the local strength, although if SafeHaven2 looses his four fleets at Targul Frumos, the Havenic fleet is near nonexistant. On the ground, right now, where it matters the Imperials have more men, or have the capability of putting more men in faster [the Empire has only ~200,000 men around Mosnoi Bor, while Haven has ~1 million...but the Empire is about to mobilize everything from first echelon to strategic reserves, meaning that's a good ~20 million soldiers, including around ~16 million logistics personnel - that's ground army only. The air force will probably not see an overly huge expansion from where it is already at, while the navy won't either well until 2019-2021, which is so far, beyond the scope of this war. The most conservative would be the Imperials, beyond the shadow of a doubt.

I'll go Imperials... my country is largely based on airforce... so I can help big time that way.

The map isn't working for me... is the link messed up?

So now the question is... how do I fit in?

Yes, my server for some reason doesn't work.

Map of the Region (http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/8294/map0sa.jpg)

Space Union is no longer there; that should read Spizania, and the cities would have different names, of course. Those islands just south of SafeHaven2 are unclaimed, but are going to belong to Hailandkill post-war. Most of the small islands all over the place are unclaimed, and that's what we fight over a lot.

Map of the Empire (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5821/macabeemap7hd.gif)

Ah yes, fitting in - that would be the hard part. :) We would need a back story to get you in, and that would have to be made up. You could always have a trade convoy travel through the nameless sea which will hold the future naval battle between Stevid/IH and I, and have Stevid accidently open fire on it and sink a few ships [his fleet being rather jumpy, since they know there's an Imperial fleet heading right towards it, and they are most likely sinking Imperial convoys that once thought that sea was neutral], which would give you cassus belli.

Yes, my server for some reason doesn't work.

Map of the Region (http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/8294/map0sa.jpg)

Space Union is no longer there; that should read Spizania, and the cities would have different names, of course. Those islands just south of SafeHaven2 are unclaimed, but are going to belong to Hailandkill post-war. Most of the small islands all over the place are unclaimed, and that's what we fight over a lot.

Map of the Empire (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5821/macabeemap7hd.gif)

Ok... what about that island east of SafeHaven and south of Guffingford? Is it taken?

Ah yes, fitting in - that would be the hard part. :) We would need a back story to get you in, and that would have to be made up. You could always have a trade convoy travel through the nameless sea which will hold the future naval battle between Stevid/IH and I, and have Stevid accidently open fire on it and sink a few ships [his fleet being rather jumpy, since they know there's an Imperial fleet heading right towards it, and they are most likely sinking Imperial convoys that once thought that sea was neutral], which would give you cassus belli.

So I could send like a convoy... setting out to build a colony maybe?

So I could send like a convoy... setting out to build a colony maybe?

I was thinking more along the lines of a merchant convoy heading towards some obscure port in the region. And those islands are the future Killian islands I was talking about. Beyond that, you technically have to be in the region to be on the map - although Imperial Armies is going to get reformed by me into a new region, since Guff got deleted on sight. This time passwordless. < <

(this is all bearing that I read correctly) my post was simply;
A) To reaffirm I wasnt dead...
B) To state my current naval position in the area [that is north and west of macabea in a defensive arrangement]
C) I thought I had read something about you wanting to strike at the golden throne from the north, I felt I should atleast post what I had there [though you may have meant his fleet].

In short it was probably a case of me not fully paying attention but I needed to post anyway.

I was thinking more along the lines of a merchant convoy heading towards some obscure port in the region. And those islands are the future Killian islands I was talking about. Beyond that, you technically have to be in the region to be on the map - although Imperial Armies is going to get reformed by me into a new region, since Guff got deleted on sight. This time passwordless. < <

Any chance on use getting a new region and me getting on the map? Or is there a region I can join?

Right now, there's Imperial Armies that has a password IIRC. Guffingford was deleted, and I forgot to ask him the password this morning, so no new nations can join the region for now. Post-war, a new region will be formed under a name that I have to think of. You could very well gain land post-war through a post-war treaty, including, but not limited to, parts of Guffingford, now that his nation has collapsed.

Right now, there's Imperial Armies that has a password IIRC. Guffingford was deleted, and I forgot to ask him the password this morning, so no new nations can join the region for now. Post-war, a new region will be formed under a name that I have to think of. You could very well gain land post-war through a post-war treaty, including, but not limited to, parts of Guffingford, now that his nation has collapsed.

Allright.

So... for today... I should RP my convoy moving through the region? Where would the ideal point be to enter?

Well, Stevid has to agree to all of this. Ideally, you'd pass south of The Merchant Guilds [who no longer exists and that area will be placed as in chaos and without government], and north of the Moleland Earthbase, and into the sea between Guffingford and Stevid, whatever that may be called. There Stevid could strike at your convoy accidently, bringing you into the war.

Well, Stevid has to agree to all of this. Ideally, you'd pass south of The Merchant Guilds [who no longer exists and that area will be placed as in chaos and without government], and north of the Moleland Earthbase, and into the sea between Guffingford and Stevid, whatever that may be called. There Stevid could strike at your convoy accidently, bringing you into the war.

ok... I will wait for Stevid to reply.

Well, its only just begun again because a new front opened up, AND people are responding to this front. The only battle still occuring in The Golden Throne itself is Mons Dei, because SafeHaven is no where to be seen and that front has gone stale.


I'm here, I'll be writing up something this weekend for targul Frumos then who knows whats next. I'm pretty sure I responded at Aurillac, don't think you responded to it.

Sorry about the delay between my posts, I have been shooting for a couple of days!

If Stevid doesnt want to sink a few merchant ships I'm sure that I can do it to bring you in Gen.

Im just writing up a post about my naval dispositions. Ive split that nineteen carrier group down into three task forces as I think that having all of them sailing around in close proximity is probably not the best way to use them, plus it should make for a better battle if they come into it gradually rather than as a big block.

Roll on the Epic!

Right now, there's Imperial Armies that has a password IIRC. Guffingford was deleted, and I forgot to ask him the password this morning, so no new nations can join the region for now. Post-war, a new region will be formed under a name that I have to think of. You could very well gain land post-war through a post-war treaty, including, but not limited to, parts of Guffingford, now that his nation has collapsed.
Isn't that technically godmoding, even though he's deleted? After all, it's still his nation, his characters, his dedication to a story, and it still requires his consent.

Sorry about the delay between my posts, I have been shooting for a couple of days!

If Stevid doesnt want to sink a few merchant ships I'm sure that I can do it to bring you in Gen.

Im just writing up a post about my naval dispositions. Ive split that nineteen carrier group down into three task forces as I think that having all of them sailing around in close proximity is probably not the best way to use them, plus it should make for a better battle if they come into it gradually rather than as a big block.

Roll on the Epic!

I like it.

Is that ok Mac?

Well, Stevid has to agree to all of this. Ideally, you'd pass south of The Merchant Guilds [who no longer exists and that area will be placed as in chaos and without government], and north of the Moleland Earthbase, and into the sea between Guffingford and Stevid, whatever that may be called. There Stevid could strike at your convoy accidently, bringing you into the war.

"All guns, fire at will!"- or in other words, yeah I can attack the convoy accidently. Kinda puts a stain on my nation's Naval reputation of being "proffesional". But their human, humans make mistakes.

In short, i'm more than willing to blow a convoy outta the water, i have the fire power.
And i'm so sorry Mac, but i haven't come up with the name of the sea...probably be something Latin- Latin is cool.

Isn't that technically godmoding, even though he's deleted? After all, it's still his nation, his characters, his dedication to a story, and it still requires his consent.

Well, he's not around to really... deny us the privalege of carving up his territory. Nevertheless, Stevid or I will probably end up asking/telling him on MSN. His disdain for NS though tells me that he won't care. And IH, sounds like a plan, while Stevid, I'll come up with something. :P

Mare Constans? Would mean ... loosely... calm sea - much like Mar Pacifico was to illustrate the fact that the Pacific was not as hostile as the Atlantic [or so they thought ~1600]. In Dienstadi that would be...lessee, I would have to make up words for it.... Ser Konsti - or just Konsti...while in English it would be Constans Sea, since English seems to adopt foreign words to make it sound cooler. :)

Very well... I will post my convoy heading in from the east and crossing through where you told me.

It's gonna be small and insignifigant, but maybe a few will get away and meet up with guys from the Golden Throne or other friends.

Remember, my country is Oceanaria.

"All guns, fire at will!"- or in other words, yeah I can attack the convoy accidently. Kinda puts a stain on my nation's Naval reputation of being "proffesional". But their human, humans make mistakes.

In short, i'm more than willing to blow a convoy outta the water, i have the fire power.
And i'm so sorry Mac, but i haven't come up with the name of the sea...probably be something Latin- Latin is cool.

Name it Otium Aqua: in Latin it means peaceful water.

:p

Thanks for helping me get into this.

I'm going to RP the story under this account, but my nation's name is Oceanaria. I just don't like having to switch back and forth between acounts. If you want me to I can though. Oceanaria is probably going to get renamed soon anyway.

Name it Otium Aqua: in Latin it means peaceful water.

:p

I like it!

Anyway, i'm gonna post my attack on your convoy. Forgive if i've missed any important stuff in my post that was in yours. I've got fencing in like 10 minutes, so it's just a quick copy paste from word. :D

Cheerio!

Yo Mac, i've typied up a 4 page post on my loses.

A few destoryed and an SDN crippled, now I personally think that might be a tad under.

Just how many missiles (sledgehammer) have you fired at my fleet? You say you put up 300 and something Falcons, so how many Sledgehammers are fired? anything over one hundred basically renders 82% either sunk or unable to fight, leaving the odd frigate or destroy floating around somewhere.

But how many missiles on average have been launched?

Yo Mac, i've typied up a 4 page post on my loses.

A few destoryed and an SDN crippled, now I personally think that might be a tad under.

Just how many missiles (sledgehammer) have you fired at my fleet? You say you put up 300 and something Falcons, so how many Sledgehammers are fired? anything over one hundred basically renders 82% either sunk or unable to fight, leaving the odd frigate or destroy floating around somewhere.

But how many missiles on average have been launched?

Stevid, can you post a short post about your continued attack on my fleet, and perhaps realization of your mistake?

After that, I will post my damage and my escape (with what's left, which won't be much)...

Are there any friendly Empire ships in the area that could pick up lifeboats with survivors?

Yo Mac, i've typied up a 4 page post on my loses.

A few destoryed and an SDN crippled, now I personally think that might be a tad under.

Just how many missiles (sledgehammer) have you fired at my fleet? You say you put up 300 and something Falcons, so how many Sledgehammers are fired? anything over one hundred basically renders 82% either sunk or unable to fight, leaving the odd frigate or destroy floating around somewhere.

But how many missiles on average have been launched?192 missiles according to his post. It was buried in there though ^_^

192 missiles according to his post. It was buried in there though ^_^

OH....MY....GOD!!!!!!

Then my post is going to have to wait, i've got to re-do my losses...sorry mac :(

That's fine, although I'd expect that quite a few of those missiles would be shot down by SAMs and better CIWS [although, admittetly, the angle they are dropping at makes them hard to intercept for CIWS...but not impossible].

SafeHaven, in your last post it still says that you need to finish. Also, the air battle is blank, so before I can respond you need to fix that. Also, from what I have read, are you consolidating your forces at urseline?

Mac, why isn't your scrawny ass on AIM right now? :P

That's fine, although I'd expect that quite a few of those missiles would be shot down by SAMs and better CIWS [although, admittetly, the angle they are dropping at makes them hard to intercept for CIWS...but not impossible].

Yeah, i've got the SDN's, T045's and AA Cruisers with the SAMs, and as many ships as possible firing CIWS, not to mention Chaff and ECCM pulses. But... i seriously miscalculated how many missiles you fired and the losses i typed up are pathetic.

The same thing happened help Guffingford did it to me, i under estimiate what those missiles can do. So granted, the angle the missiles are at and that spiraling thing they do, does make tham hard to hit. So at the expense of some more capital ships, i'll re-do the losses.

Stevid, can you post a short post about your continued attack on my fleet, and perhaps realization of your mistake?

After that, I will post my damage and my escape (with what's left, which won't be much)...

As for you Sir... i will write it up today and post it today with my losses against Mac (in a different paragraph of course).

Forgot to mention I have a post about the submarines engaging the Macabeean Fleet coming up too along with the airbourne counter-stroke to your attack.

As for my current post (Number 184 on the thread) I believe that I have made an accurate losses. The carriers have armoured decks and I have left the total damage open to interpretation as I have read up on the Sledgehammer and know that it is easily capable of penetrating them. With regards my Air to Air Missiles and SAM's engaging the inbounds I believe that is a perfectly acceptable tactic. If anybody disagrees I will be more than willing to debate it/alter the losses if the need arises!


(Hope that didnt sound pigheaded, if im being too stingy with my losses i will happily increase them :))

SafeHaven, in your last post it still says that you need to finish. Also, the air battle is blank, so before I can respond you need to fix that. Also, from what I have read, are you consolidating your forces at urseline?

Mac, why isn't your scrawny ass on AIM right now? :P

Meh, thought I was done with that, I'll finish that air part tonight then I'll probaly hit Mosnoi Bor.

I have read up on the Sledgehammer and know that it is easily capable of penetrating them.

Do you have the link to the sledgehammer missile, i can't find it anywhere! I've looked everywhere, it just keeps eluding me..... *cries in corner*

IH, should I wait before typing up a response [since it says you have to finish your counterstroke]? And Stevid...anything that I have typed up would be here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787

Do you have the link to the sledgehammer missile, i can't find it anywhere! I've looked everywhere, it just keeps eluding me..... *cries in corner*

Should be in his storefront, the link is in his signature.

NM, got beat to it.

*Goes over to the corner and kicks Stevid while hes crying*

IH, should I wait before typing up a response [since it says you have to finish your counterstroke]? And Stevid...anything that I have typed up would be here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787

If you wouldnt mind Mac, I should have the post up within a couple of hours!

I read all the posts at work, and just read your newer post IH, and I have no complaints - I am not one to complain when it comes to an RP like this...where I just want to write. But, what were the casualties on the Stevidian navy and what were those for IH, if you could make a list. They are pretty dug into the RP and so am having trouble recollecting exact data... pretty much, I was going to run a satellite over the sea taking photographs of both CTF Hampshire and the Stevidian task force giving data on the damage done [all of this after describing the defense and such], and future movements really depends on the casualties taken by both fleets.

I read all the posts at work, and just read your newer post IH, and I have no complaints - I am not one to complain when it comes to an RP like this...where I just want to write. But, what were the casualties on the Stevidian navy and what were those for IH, if you could make a list. They are pretty dug into the RP and so am having trouble recollecting exact data... pretty much, I was going to run a satellite over the sea taking photographs of both CTF Hampshire and the Stevidian task force giving data on the damage done [all of this after describing the defense and such], and future movements really depends on the casualties taken by both fleets.

I'll be posting sometime soon... probably tomorrow night when I have more time.

Like wise, i will have a post up sometime today on my counter-attack on those Falcons and Fu-47's belonging to Mac.. i hope.

I thought your fighter attack was your counter-attack. Bah. But what were your losses, exactly? [this will effect my next decision] I plan to ICly justify my knowledge on them with those geosynchronous satellites I posted having in orbit in my other posts.

H&K, I did the air part if you want to respond to Aurillac.

Ok. I will probably get all my posting done tomorow since I am quite busy today.

I thought your fighter attack was your counter-attack. Bah. But what were your losses, exactly? [this will effect my next decision] I plan to ICly justify my knowledge on them with those geosynchronous satellites I posted having in orbit in my other posts.

I thought i mentioned them in the IC post, but that doesn't matter. I'm suprised anyone could find the time to read that massive post.

Fleet Losses

HMS Benedictine-SDN (Damaged but battle worthy)
5 Carriers Damaged and unable to fight (1 Nimitz, 1 Enterprise, 3 Illustrious)
HMS Domination (Sunk)
1 Sheffield Class (Damaged but battle worthy)
1 Sheffield Class (Damaged, not battle worthy, on fire, abandoning ship)

W00t, 11,300 words and counting for the new Arca. IV. We just need to get to Ishme-Dagan, finish that, and everything will be ready for release [honestly, I would prefer to go further than Ishme-Dagan before ending anything, but it would depend on the interest of everyone at that point] - I also have to finish the fire and control and communication sections...bah. But I'm looking at ~15,000 words!

Fleet Losses

Ammunition ship Oak - Lost with all hands
Isomer Class Carrier Neptune - severe damage to catapults, withdrawing to Stevid Naval Base for repairs
Nimitz Class Carrier Edginton - superficial damage however loss of many deckcrewmen means efficiency is severly impaired
Nimitz Class Carrier Expectation - damage to forward elevator and hangar deck, still serviceable.
New England Class Fleet Carrier New Hampshire - Superstructure fire gutted, lost radar and most communications. Command and Control facility transferred to Periocles

Total Dead: 1,456 including Admiral James McWalter

Command of the 2nd Fleet has been transferred to Vice-Admiral Jake Longworth on IHS New London
Command of Task Force Hampshire has been transterred to Captain Drake Hatch on IHS Periocles


EDIT: Ive included the specification for the AS-1M Missile as I cannot find the thread where it was already posted to provide a link.


J Corp AS-1M

Warhead:
2 Stage Warhead - smaller first warhead is fired ahead of the missile into the target vessel, the HEAT warhead being used to create a hole through which the primary 800lb warhead penetrates further into the ship, exploding four microseconds after impact. This second warhead has a uranium tip that allows it to penetrate further into the dent in the armour that the first stage HEAT warhead should have created.

Range:
Up to 400km (LM version can reach 450km)

Launch System:
Mk.3 Sea Smart System (Ship Based Launch)
Mk.2S Missile Platform (Land Based Launch)
Various Hardpoints on Attack Aircraft

Propulsion:
Solid Fuel Rocket Booster (Two are used, one main to take the rocket up to speed and then a smaller version to fire the first warhead in front of the missile)
RAMJET engine (utilizing hydrogen injection) is used once the initial booster has burnt out getting the rocket to RAMJET operating speeds.

Speed
Mach 4.2 (during end of attack run), Mach 2.7 (sustained cruise)

Navigation
Inertial navigation during cruise, active radar seeker during target acquisition. Alternate satellite guided package is under development.

Flight Profile
Can be programmed for a variety of flight profiles depending upon attack profile required. Primary attack method is through sea skimming with no “pop up”, preceded by a cruising altitude of between 100 and 200feet. Missile will drop down to sea skimming level when between 20 and 50km from target depending upon missile programming.

Unit Cost:
$1,800,000 USD


Description of Key Factors:

The AS-1M Missile is the second anti-shipping missile developed by J Corp and was developed in its ExHaven test facility and is considered a far superior weapon to the AS-1B that it replaces. Loosely based on the Hex-X and Warlock missiles manufactured by Venom Defence and the earlier AS-1B, the AS-1M uses advanced electronics to guide itself to the target assigned by the ship or land based fire control system. The inertial GPS is essential to the operation of the missiles which can be fired to take a deceptive course to the enemy formation if necessary.
Due to the nature of the warhead a Submarine based version had to be designed separately which nearly led to the rejection of the missile in acceptance to the Navy. However after extensive testing, including live fire exercises, the missile was accepted with the designation AS-1B in its Ship and Land Based variants and is being introduced to the new fleet units that are beginning to appear in service after the Naval Expansion Bill. Using the new J Corp Mk.3 Sea Smart System means that the missile is likely to be fitted to many fleet units in the coming years as they are equipped with the Sea Smart themselves. The evolution to the more potent AS-1M which is now in active service with many fleet air and surface assets has confirmed the AS-1 series as the IH Navy’s primary ship killing missile.

*Licks lips*

...Sweet...

Alright, my post will hopefully be up today - I have my hands tied slightly, as I'm trying to get an article done for a magazine.