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I enjoy nice epic RPs, whether they be mighty battles and engagements, or character RP; all intent on showing off my decadant and evil Empire, and their religious biases therein :P

Gotta admit, RPing as Chaos has to be more interesting than RPing as the UFP

And about that military AMF, I sent you a tg asking for a link of some sort to where-ever it is that you keep the stats of your military. If I am going to face you, I need to have some sort of knowledge as to what comprises your military. And of course, I have to see its not some wanked out size (though you are big enough that it probably would be big anyway) or other things.

So could you please provide a link?

Swell to see people recognize me as a dangerous (and therefore strong!) non-godmodding nation. I haven't done much in the II field lately, but maybe I'm gonna fight someone in the near future. I don't know, I'm just very busy raising my defence budget to 60%. It's at 58 last time I checked so I'm getting there.

Swell to see people recognize me as a dangerous (and therefore strong!) non-godmodding nation. I haven't done much in the II field lately, but maybe I'm gonna fight someone in the near future. I don't know, I'm just very busy raising my defence budget to 60%. It's at 58 last time I checked so I'm getting there.

60% eh?

I wonder if anyone has 100% defense budget? That'd be a riot- as it would mean that particular nation would be all retards, have 20 year life expectancy, rampant crime, etc. as there'd be 0% education, 0% healthcare, and 0% Law+Order budgets. :p

Since my country is relatively isolationist, I cannot say much. But since we are slowly expanding on international events (and since my people believe in diplomacy over force, thanks to the cultures in there), I have to say that I'm virtually pathetic compared to all the previous nation-states mentioned.

Menelmacar?

Big, old, game-mod nation who is currently on 'vacation' of a sort. Thousands of space gravships, awesome firepower, more experience than you can shake a stick at, etc etc etc.

60% eh?

I wonder if anyone has 100% defense budget? That'd be a riot- as it would mean that particular nation would be all retards, have 20 year life expectancy, rampant crime, etc. as there'd be 0% education, 0% healthcare, and 0% Law+Order budgets. :p100% is technically possible, but the highest I've seen was The Terran Republic (former Arda resident) who died a few weeks ago. He was at 59% last time I saw him alive. If I manage to get Guffs economy back on the track, I have a fairly nice chance of hitting a high daily rank when the defence rating of the UN come around.

100% is technically possible, but the highest I've seen was The Terran Republic (former Arda resident) who died a few weeks ago. He was at 59% last time I saw him alive. If I manage to get Guffs economy back on the track, I have a fairly nice chance of hitting a high daily rank when the defence rating of the UN come around.A 59% defence budget is hideously unrealistic and I'd consider it a Godmode.

A 59% defence budget is hideously unrealistic and I'd consider it a Godmode.If you'd know the current state of my education system, economy, healthcare, etc etc then it's not. I don't take the 58 or 59 percent seriously, I just find it cool. But who cares? It's an indication of how militarized my nation is. Of course 59% is unrealistic as hell, but that doesn't take away the fact NationStates is a game.

What about my nation?

Reploid Productions?

Yes! I was going to edit my post, AMF reminded me whom it was last night when we chatted.

Man, I remember when Forum 7 was around, I believe thats what it was, and this huge thread describing a temple, JUST TO Reploid Productions! Dude, it was so funny, almost everyone was worshiping her in there!

::ahem:: I joined in too, lol.

I hope she comes back! I believe a lot of people (and me!) miss her, and she was a great Mod! I admired her so much back then because she balanced things out, in my opinion. (Of course there was Nutered Sputnicks(sp?) and some others, too! :D )

The old days.... ::sighs happily:: ....makes me act like a giddy Noob everytime I remember.......

A 59% defence budget is hideously unrealistic and I'd consider it a Godmode.

IIRC, a nation in RL had a 60% or so defense budget. I think it was either the USSR during the Cold War, or North Korea. :confused:

IIRC, a nation in RL had a 60% or so defense budget. I think it was either the USSR during the Cold War, or North Korea. :confused:And look what happened to the USSR. And North Korea's economy is a complete shambles. Those are poor examples of nations that are robust economically and militarily.

Face it, if you don't want your economy to be in the crapper, you won't spend nearly 60% of your budget on the military.

And look what happened to the USSR. And North Korea's economy is a complete shambles. Those are poor examples of nations that are robust economically and militarily.

Face it, if you don't want your economy to be in the crapper, you won't spend nearly 60% of your budget on the military.

In that case, the only robust econo-military nation in RL I can think of is the USA. However, I'm not sure what % of our RL USA's budget goes into Defense. It must be a considerable amount to fund the Iraq war for more than 2 years, maintain all the nukes the USA has, maintainence of 12 Nimitz Carrier Groups, and so on.

I think the U.S.'s defence budget is roughly 14%-15% or so, but I haven't seen the budget breakdown in a while. It's possible the figure I'm listing is a Cold War figure.

That'd be a riot- as it would mean that particular nation would be all retards, have 20 year life expectancy, rampant crime, etc. as there'd be 0% education, 0% healthcare, and 0% Law+Order budgets. :pNot if the budget is reduced as you cut down on that spending (for the first two, anyway). Less money spent by the government is more money the individual can spend.Big, old, game-mod nation who is currently on 'vacation' of a sort. Thousands of space gravships, awesome firepower, more experience than you can shake a stick at, etc etc etc.Yah. I meant to be asking if that's who Aust meant when he typed "Mecmancar".However, I'm not sure what % of our RL USA's budget goes into Defense.It's 12% according to http://www.budgetsim.org/nbs/.

That's quite a large amount of cash, though.

Copied originally from the Straight Dope website to my logistics thread, and re-copied to here in the hopes it will help with the discussion at hand:

TEO

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What you want is World Military Expenditures and Arms Transfers (WMEAT), published by the U.S. Department of State (formerly by the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency) and available online. The 28th edition, published in 2003, covers expenditures from 1989 through 1999. A sample:

Top ten military budgets. The U.S. spends the most by far, but matters aren't as lopsided as some suggest. The WMEAT list (in billions): 1) U.S., $281.0; 2) mainland China, $88.9; 3) Japan, $43.2; 4) France, $38.9; 5) UK, $36.5; 6) Russia, $35.0; 7) Germany, $32.6; 8 ) Italy, $23.7; 9) Saudi Arabia, $21.2; 10) Taiwan, $15.2.
The U.S. military, therefore, spends as much as the next six countries combined, with just about enough change to cover Greece ($6 billion). To put it another way, the U.S. accounted for 33 percent of world military expenditures in 1999, a modest increase since Cold War days (28 percent in 1986). Sorry, no breakdown on percentage of the military budget used to suppress dissidents or otherwise deal with internal security.

Five largest armed services.

Soldiers (in millions): (1) mainland China, 2.4; (2) U.S., 1.5; (3) India, 1.3; (4) North Korea, 1.0; (5) Russia, 0.9.

Arms exports.

Here's where it starts to get interesting. According to WMEAT, the U.S. exports far more arms than the rest of the world combined--$33 billion versus $18.6 billion. The biggest arms importer? Saudi Arabia, $7.7 billion.

Top three in gross national product.

Think you know this one, eh? We'll see. The first two are easy: (1) U.S., $9.3 trillion; (2) Japan, $4.4 trillion. Now guess the third. Time's up: it's mainland China, at $3.9 trillion. According to the CIA World Factbook, China's economy grew 8 percent in 2002, whereas Japan's grew 0.2 percent, so it's fair to say China will soon have the second largest economy in the world. In fact, on a "purchasing power parity" basis (don't ask), it already does.

Military expenditures as a percentage of gross national product.

The U.S. spends a lot on its military but has a lot to spend. Some other countries don't have much but spend it on the military anyway. World leader: Eritrea, which spends 27.4 percent of its $757 million GNP (world rank: 155) on the armed services, most of it presumably to fight its archenemy, Ethiopia. The balance of the top ten, with percentages ranging between 21.2 and 8.8: Angola, North Korea, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Congo, Qatar, Jordan, Ethiopia, and Israel. U.S. rank: 52nd, at 3 percent.

Military expenditures per soldier.

The U.S. ranks first, spending $189,000 per soldier--Lord knows crack prison guards don't come cheap. Japan (number two) and the UK (number three) aren't far behind, spending $180,000 and $167,000, respectively. Who's at the bottom of the list? Why, Iceland, where annual military expenditure per soldier is $0, owing to the fact that the country has no regular military and thus no military budget. How can that be in our wicked world? Easy. The country is protected by the Icelandic Defense Force, maintained by--you guessed it--the United States.

That really pissed me off and I'm not even involved in that RP.

I was tempted to either start funnelling supplies to Findan or get involved just to keep him from getting slaughtered, then I was tempted to post asking people to back off OOCly from Findan. It would have been like the whole Feline Catfish situation, only I would have had to fill the AMF role.

Behaving prattishly OOC is a real quick way to lose respect around here.
Aye, i lost a lot a restpect a while back and I've had to regain it. And it's not as though he did anything wrong, I mean people where being plain stupid.

AF, reamber your faceing a hell of a lot of firpower, I'm no small fry, Thrash is pritty strong, Findan may be small but he's got allies....

and tou've still got hoggy and his mates breathing down your back, your in trouble mate.

Aye, i lost a lot a restpect a while back and I've had to regain it. And it's not as though he did anything wrong, I mean people where being plain stupid.

AF, reamber your faceing a hell of a lot of firpower, I'm no small fry, Thrash is pritty strong, Findan may be small but he's got allies....

and tou've still got hoggy and his mates breathing down your back, your in trouble mate.

Thank you buddy. I now know what I'm getting into. It's going to be tought but I think I can pul though.

AMF is pobaly going to crush me, but I do have a lot f respect for him. He's a great guy, its his army that is so scary.

Aye, i lost a lot a restpect a while back and I've had to regain it. And it's not as though he did anything wrong, I mean people where being plain stupid.

AF, reamber your faceing a hell of a lot of firpower, I'm no small fry, Thrash is pritty strong, Findan may be small but he's got allies....

and tou've still got hoggy and his mates breathing down your back, your in trouble mate.

Phff, me strong? :rolleyes: Nah, I'm just persistent.

AF, reamber your faceing a hell of a lot of firpower, I'm no small fry, Thrash is pritty strong, Findan may be small but he's got allies....

and tou've still got hoggy and his mates breathing down your back, your in trouble mate.

I don't think I'm in trouble, this is the inevitable storm that I've been preparing for for over 2 and a half years. Though yes, I am facing a lot of people, I think it would be foolish to count me out.

And as far as Hog and company go, they haven't posted in over a week, and both Sarzo and I are getting frustrated.

they'll be back, no doubt there busy, I'd keep bumping and TGing them. And I'm not counting you out, i was around when the great power struggles (You vs Meckalor for example) where going on, I know what you can do, but I also know what i and my allies can do.

Independent Hitmen, there is another nation I have a lot of respect for.

Independent Hitmen, there is another nation I have a lot of respect for.
Ditto-he invaded me a while back and man that hurt.

Yes! I was going to edit my post, AMF reminded me whom it was last night when we chatted.

Man, I remember when Forum 7 was around, I believe thats what it was, and this huge thread describing a temple, JUST TO Reploid Productions! Dude, it was so funny, almost everyone was worshiping her in there!

::ahem:: I joined in too, lol.

I hope she comes back! I believe a lot of people (and me!) miss her, and she was a great Mod! I admired her so much back then because she balanced things out, in my opinion. (Of course there was Nutered Sputnicks(sp?) and some others, too! :D )

The old days.... ::sighs happily:: ....makes me act like a giddy Noob everytime I remember.......
So true! We never did get our magical powers, though.

Mind you, the Great Pyramid of Doom and Temple to the Mods was around even before Forum 7. Great days, those were.

*sighs*

I've still seen Reploid Productions around. Though I wasn't around in the Forum 7 days, sadly.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/tvlt.gif
^.^ 7 Days....

60% eh?

I wonder if anyone has 100% defense budget? That'd be a riot- as it would mean that particular nation would be all retards, have 20 year life expectancy, rampant crime, etc. as there'd be 0% education, 0% healthcare, and 0% Law+Order budgets. :p

There's this funky misconception that if X doesn't have a government budget, X is tiny and insignificant. What if you had a privately funded education system? Then it wouldn't need a government budget. Hence 0% education doesn't mean everyone is a retard.

Anyway, the highest % devoted to defense I can find in this game is 79%. Mine is at 60% or so.

With a 100% tax rate that means about 60% of my entire GDP goes to defense. But that doesn't make sense economically to anyone but communists. Like Guffingford, I just see the % as an indication of how militarized you are in general. Lower military % means less militarization overall.

The Kraven Corporations Military Budget is 74%, this is because the Corporation is a military state and its policing is done by the Military so both budgets are combined

So true! We never did get our magical powers, though.

Mind you, the Great Pyramid of Doom and Temple to the Mods was around even before Forum 7. Great days, those were.

*sighs*
Really? Man...I wish they'd allowed them to come back...

::sighs::

Yes, and the magical powers were not there....oh well....

I wish we could do another Temple of the Mods. I bet they'd have a heart attack at how many people bowed before them, lmao!

::thinks:::

But we'd have to create a GREAT STATUE of Reploid, and her Mighty powers of a Goddess Mod!

Com'On MODS! WE WANT ANOTHER TEMPLE! FREEDOM OF WORSHIP! lmao

I've still seen Reploid Productions around. Though I wasn't around in the Forum 7 days, sadly.

You missed a lot! Lol

Take a look at this thread, if you've got time:
We want our magical powers//Temple of the Mods (forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=312074)
As can be seen, even the Mods had fun with this one. Perhaps, if we asked them nicely, they would let us start another... All Hail the Ninja Mod!

Truly, Sarzonia, you did miss a lot.

Man, I hope we get it back...

Hey Demonic Gophers, haven't seen ya around in a WHILE!

I wish Forum 7 could come back, I had a temple there....

I think we've been told Forum 7 *isn't* coming back in a "don't hold your breath" sense. It's a shame because that's a part of NS history I missed out on.

I think we've been told Forum 7 *isn't* coming back in a "don't hold your breath" sense. It's a shame because that's a part of NS history I missed out on.
And it was the best Forum.

Since this is a good thread, I figured I might as well give it a BUMP.

Since this is a good thread, I figured I might as well give it a BUMP.

Why must you rise this from its fiery damnation in hell?

It is a good thread.

Truitt actually kinda scares me, with his navy jargon and missiles. I was in a naval battle with him, and he overwhelmed me subconsciously, and I just killed off my entire attacking force just to get the hell out of the battle.

And from the dead it rises....

It is a good thread.
Exactly why I brought it back from the dead.