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What country do you think is the most dangerous non-godmodding nation in nationstates (that is active)?

I will not justify my own thread with an answer of my own....cause I really don't have one.

I think it really depends on what you're referring to. Dangerous to whom? Any piddling 300 million pop country can be dangerous to a country that's not even breaking 100 million but wouldn't cause a 5 billion pop country to even break a sweat. Or, one country's navy could be a laughingstock, but their army could scare the shit out of you. Or, a country could be a non-threat to you because of whom they're aligned with.

If I were a heel country, I'd probably be most worried about Praetonia because he's at least my equal as far as naval prowess is concerned and has me by the balls as far as army knowledge goes. However, he's my co-closest ally so a war between us would be nigh on impossible.

AMF hands down. That guy makes me worry if he feels the need to pick a fight with me. Hell I'd probably lose even though I'm FT because he knows how to scare the hell out of you

AMF hands down. That guy makes me worry if he feels the need to pick a fight with me. Hell I'd probably lose even though I'm FT because he knows how to scare the hell out of you
True... even people who attack him respect him, hell even most RPers respect him...

ooc: Well... i'd say Verdant Archipelago... That man is deceptively scary.
Either that or AMF, because his nation comes straight from a Cannibal Corpse album.

I'd say Huntaer....but I think he godmods a little too much and has no real info to actually fight a worthy battle. Let alone a war.

Cranking out crazy amount of unit types is not a good thing if they are crap.
He hasn't been experienced....like other nations his age have.

OoC I can't believe this...it's so painstakingly obvious, the most powerful non-godmodder (although they come pretty close to the edge with the power) would have to be...me. Noone can resist the might of the rusting Proletarian Fleet, no army in existence can hope to counter the Proletarian Guardsmen and their Enfield bolt-actions while the MIG-21's of the (you guessed it!) Proletarian Airforce scream over.

I win. Sorry, but it's obvious.

OoC I can't believe this...it's so painstakingly obvious, the most powerful non-godmodder (although they come pretty close to the edge with the power) would have to be...me. Noone can resist the might of the rusting Proletarian Fleet, no army in existence can hope to counter the Proletarian Guardsmen and their Enfield bolt-actions while the MIG-21's of the (you guessed it!) Proletarian Airforce scream over.

I win. Sorry, but it's obvious.
OOC: ROFLMFAO!!!!

I surrender!! I surrender!!!! lol :D

Hands down AMF

TO your self maybe....... but I would have to say.......ME!!!!!!!!!!- or myrth....... :mad:

OOC: I'd say AMF. Not because of actually him, but because of the legions upon legions of butt-kissing nations who declare war on anyone who looks at AMF wrong. Although he also is a really good RPer. But those lackey nations just tip the balance WAYYYY in his favor.

I've never seen AMF go to war though. His skills would make him dangerous, but also if you are skilled could shut down his attacks pretty easily if your PLANNING for him to RP very effectively and you yourself starts like a complete idiot then bomb him like crazy with surprise tactics.

The popularity of AMF and his known skills makes him weaker because if he is the one to beat, everyone will know how and what he does. He obviously won't know you as through as you know him and you can trick him or plan ahead and wipe him out. Popularity is not the best method for being 'dangerous' it decreases the danger factor.

OOC: I'd say AMF. Not because of actually him, but because of the legions upon legions of butt-kissing nations who declare war on anyone who looks at AMF wrong. Although he also is a really good RPer. But those lackey nations just tip the balance WAYYYY in his favor.
OOC: Ouch man ouch... I'm sorry, but I ain't part of no legion, even though I do support him, mainly through NATO, though if you call 1100 people and a small battle group transporting them a leigion, then I am.

OOC: I'd say AMF. Not because of actually him, but because of the legions upon legions of butt-kissing nations who declare war on anyone who looks at AMF wrong. Although he also is a really good RPer. But those lackey nations just tip the balance WAYYYY in his favor.

Sad, but true. AMF, hands down.

However, in certain areas (naval battles, air battles, WMDs, etc.) there are far more frightening nations than AMF. I personally find Guffingford to be absolutely terrifying - my choice for a runner-up - perhaps because he threatened to invade me when I was a 100 million pop., or perhaps because international backlash doesn't really phase him.

I've never seen AMF go to war though. His skills would make him dangerous, but also if you are skilled could shut down his attacks pretty easily if your PLANNING for him to RP very effectively and you yourself starts like a complete idiot then bomb him like crazy with surprise tactics.

The popularity of AMF and his known skills makes him weaker because if he is the one to beat, everyone will know how and what he does. He obviously won't know you as through as you know him and you can trick him or plan ahead and wipe him out. Popularity is not the best method for being 'dangerous' it decreases the danger factor.

I'm guessing he would have a backup plan though...hell I have three.

Sad, but true. AMF, hands down.

However, in certain areas (naval battles, air battles, WMDs, etc.) there are far more frightening nations than AMF. I personally find Guffingford to be absolutely terrifying - my choice for a runner-up - perhaps because he threatened to invade me when I was a 100 million pop., or perhaps because international backlash doesn't really phase him.

Not many people are scared by international backlash. Very few of them are.

Not many people are scared by international backlash. Very few of them are.
I ain't for one, except if several massive nations decide to dogpile me... and whatever happened to a quick reply to an order? ;)

OOC: Ouch man ouch... I'm sorry, but I ain't part of no legion, even though I do support him, mainly through NATO, though if you call 1100 people and a small battle group transporting them a leigion, then I am.

OOC: Well Im sorry, but it's true. I remember Mac had some rogue sub attack AMF, and then AMF in addition to like 1 gagillion lackey declared war on Mac and swarmed him. Any person AMF goes to war with gets swamped with tons of enemy nations. But again, he does had skill, he is a very good writer.

I'm guessing he would have a backup plan though...hell I have three.

Only three? I got ten. ^-^

Seperate Generals also mean you can never master the individual powers to respond effectively at Generals with different thoughts/plans and each their own 'Super-weapon'.

In terms of deadly force its: General Minerva followed by General Hein.

The two Generals would represent a massive challenge for even AMF. Minerva is conventional with super accuracy and high technology. Hein is NBC combat crazy, AMF is more likely to be surprised nuked by Hein then anything else. Hein also runs and digs in making him a hard to kill enemy.

I have backups, but so does AMF, it will be like a series of intense mini-wars though.

I'm in war with AMF now and I must say he makes Hitler and Stalin look like Humanitarian Crusaders. :p

I know for sure I'm not a threat, because my strength is in being unconquerable, not invading and smashing everything.

What defines good? A decent knowledge of the army, weapons and general war tools, with good RPing skills to back it up?

What defines good? A decent knowledge of the army, weapons and general war tools, with good RPing skills to back it up?

Yep.

Oh, I'd have to say that there is no nation that is the most powerful. Although there may be nations that look big, and are well respected, it all comes down to how they RP. Any good player will give the other guy a chance to play things out, so long as s/he at least tries to play things out fair.

If you don't write well, you won't be well, and I don't care how many Death Stars you wank to my homeworld.

Argh, I hate to admit it, but I'm nothing compared to 99.9% of all the nations out there. Most of it probably comes down to being a poor RPer...imo.

Oh, I'd have to say that there is no nation that is the most powerful. Although there may be nations that look big, and are well respected, it all comes down to how they RP. Any good player will give the other guy a chance to play things out, so long as s/he at least tries to play things out fair.

If you don't write well, you won't be well, and I don't care how many Death Stars you wank to my homeworld.

Argh, I hate to admit it, but I'm nothing compared to 99.9% of all the nations out there. Most of it probably comes down to being a poor RPer...imo.

Or you can be dastardly cunning. That equals out sometimes in some RPs with the RPing quality.

AMF and his flunkies are overrated. The guy is a pretty good RPer, but he's hardly invincible.

Or you can be dastardly cunning. That equals out sometimes in some RPs with the RPing quality.

To my experience, I am better at working with what's given to me, so I guess that's kind of cunning, depending on what definition you go with, and how far.

I'm guessing the biggest non-AMF threat to me would be Huntaer. Although he's possibly purely FT tech, he keeps advancing in levels, and quite legitimately, as I might add. Ironically, my FT tech and his nation has very close relations. We even had our own 'apprentices' fight each other to seal the deal.

ooc: Well... i'd say Verdant Archipelago... That man is deceptively scary.
Either that or AMF, because his nation comes straight from a Cannibal Corpse album.

Me... scary? I'm not scary!

*big anime eyes*

Squee! I made the list!

I'm guessing the biggest non-AMF threat to me would be Huntaer. Although he's possibly purely FT tech, he keeps advancing in levels, and quite legitimately, as I might add. Ironically, my FT tech and his nation has very close relations. We even had our own 'apprentices' fight each other to seal the deal.

Ah, I'm RL friends with him, and he's told me that he feels like he's not all that powerful in NS. I'm sure he'll love the news.

AMF, no contest.

Ah, I'm RL friends with him, and he's told me that he feels like he's not all that powerful in NS. I'm sure he'll love the news.

I'm sure he will. Wait, what?

I'm sure he will. Wait, what?

I'm honestly confused. o_O . Was that supposed to be a joke?

I would have to say AMF, and not because I am a butt kisser, but he is one of the best RPers I have seen.

I'm honestly confused. o_O . Was that supposed to be a joke?

No.

But AMF is pretty good, I've never directly RPed with him though. I've only sided against him in the Feline Catfish era, helping out Call To Power.

AMF is scary not because of his sheer size, but because of his skill at writing and RP. I mean, damn, according to NSEconomy, his defense budget is roughly the same as my nation's GDP...

Actually, I believe AMF is not an undefeatable threat by himself (If he goes to war alone with no allies). He would become just another massive nation with a giant army (with a good RP'er player behind the nation, though). What I mean by this, AMF can be a big threat, but not the "Crushing Invincible Threat" that everybody believes he is.

Any nation equal to AMF in size or military prowess has a decent chance of forcing him into a stalemate. For example, suppose Guffingford and AMF go to war, I'd give them a 50 / 50 chance, as both nations have their own scary traits, strong points, and weak points.

However, the only reason why AMF is truly feared is because of the "band-wagon" that follows him. Having 20 nations back you up is a weapon in itself, as you'd be able to USSR-style mass number-wank your enemy to death literally. If AMF did not have this "Band-Wagon-of-Doom" following him around, then his threat level would be equal to any other Militant Nation like Panthera, Crimmond, Guffingford, Melkor, Doomingsland, etc.

IIRC, the war between Melkor and AMF was the only stalemate, and I believe it was because there wasn't the giant "Band-Wagon-of-Doom" like there is now. I may be wrong, though.

Just adding my 2 cents.

Actually, I believe AMF is not an undefeatable threat by himself (If he goes to war alone with no allies). He would become just another massive nation with a giant army (with a good RP'er player behind the nation, though). What I mean by this, AMF can be a big threat, but not the "Crushing Invincible Threat" that everybody believes he is.

Any nation equal to AMF in size or military prowess has a decent chance of forcing him into a stalemate. For example, suppose Guffingford and AMF go to war, I'd give them a 50 / 50 chance, as both nations have their own scary traits, strong points, and weak points.

However, the only reason why AMF is truly feared is because of the "band-wagon" that follows him. Having 20 nations back you up is a weapon in itself, as you'd be able to USSR-style mass number-wank your enemy to death literally. If AMF did not have this "Band-Wagon-of-Doom" following him around, then his threat level would be equal to any other Militant Nation like Panthera, Crimmond, Guffingford, Melkor, Doomingsland, etc.

IIRC, the war between Melkor and AMF was the only stalemate, and I believe it was because there wasn't the giant "Band-Wagon-of-Doom" like there is now. I may be wrong, though.

Just adding my 2 cents.

See! Sharina gets it

AMF is scary not because of his sheer size, but because of his skill at writing and RP. I mean, damn, according to NSEconomy, his defense budget is roughly the same as my nation's GDP...
The other thing is the name "AMF" has become legendary. He's the stuff of myths. The story you tell your NS children before they go to bed. "Behave or AMF will come get you"...

I would have to say AMF, and not because I am a butt kisser, but he is one of the best RPers I have seen.

Your signature is almost twice the size of what is allowed. You need to reduce it to 8 lines.


But anyways, I personally wouldn't consider AMF too much of a threat compared to the likes of Scolopendra and Menelmacar.

I also forgot to add in Eurusea as one of the most dangerous enemies.

If we're talkin diplomacy-wise, Dread Lady Nathicana has almost anyone pwn'd.

AMF is a brilliant RPer, a phenomenal storyteller, and a sharp tactician. But I'm not *afraid* of him, per se. If he threatened my allies, I'd let loose the dogs of war on him and I think I actually have the upper hand in some areas.

IIRC, the war between Melkor and AMF was the only stalemate, and I believe it was because there wasn't the giant "Band-Wagon-of-Doom" like there is now. I may be wrong, though.

Just adding my 2 cents.

Hmmmm, I seem to remember Angelus being more of a threat to Melkor than AMF ever was. And as far as writing and sheer military knowledge, don't forget The Evil Overlord. And I would rank Santa Barbara up there as well. I am also excluding nations within the FKC itself since, well, I do believe that quite a few of them are very good writers as well. But I could be accused of bias here.

There are quite a few very good nations out there. AMF gets the headlines because he churns out some darn good stories quite often.

And I would rank Santa Barbara up there as well.

w00t! thanks for the mention, Vrak, but I'm harmless. Really. :) Wouldn't hurt a fly, my nation is pacifistic really, and I smell far too pleasant.

At this point, I honestly don't see any other nation as a danger. On the other hand, I'm not that dangerous myself, simply because it would take quite a bit to provoke me into a full-scall war.

Hmmmm, I seem to remember Angelus being more of a threat to Melkor than AMF ever was. And as far as writing and sheer military knowledge, don't forget The Evil Overlord. And I would rank Santa Barbara up there as well. I am also excluding nations within the FKC itself since, well, I do believe that quite a few of them are very good writers as well. But I could be accused of bias here.

There are quite a few very good nations out there. AMF gets the headlines because he churns out some darn good stories quite often.

Hmm... I haven't seen TEO post in a while, and I haven't had the pleasure of reading his RP's.

Then again, I haven't been able to participate in the NS forum, as my initial attempts to RP there went unanswered. However, I don't want to re-ignite the age-old can of worms regarding NS - I.I. stuff.

I can honestly say that if AMF attacked an ally of mine, I would not have an issue going to war with him. Just as Sarzonia said, I'm not afraid of him, but I do respect his ability to roleplay and tell an awesome story.

Players that I fear?
...None really... when you've been around for two or three years you stop being afraid of other nations. Out of character though? I fear Nathicana... she scares the bazeezus out of me.

The load of asskissing here just makes me sick and I feel like chopping down young trees violently.

Seriously, all the 2005's and late 2004's here have no clue about Automagfreek's "amazing" roleplay history, and Iraqstan agrees with me on this one I am sure, that his supposed mastery of everything and any nation is just an urban NationStates myth. Anyone remembers the Austro Hungary godmodding? Well I do and it's an example why AMF, in his boundless confidence people recognize it as legit, knows people accept his RPs because of all the myths floating around him concerning AMF being ICly and OOCly "untouchable". Or his sentinels. Cruel beasts who will sit on a grenade when ordered to do so, immune to cancer and AIDS, strong as a bull but swift as a fox. Don't make me laugh.
Hell, if he was playing in the NationStates forum he'd be large, but not a power I reckon. I know a dozen more potent nations in there, and it ain't the usual Melkor Unchained who always stands ready to beat AMF into submission. When I see everyone here voting for AMF, I know people do because they do not know any other nation to nominate.

Don't state the obvious and don't jump on a bandwagon only when you think you know a person well enough to vote on him.

Well seeing as I've never read any of AMF's works, I would have to go with any country that has a superdreadnaught.

*eyeshifts* well...i guess being that i don't realy know anyone i would have to say...errr i don't even know how to spell the name of the nation O_o

(...)Menelmacar and immortal elves, sure I can be powerful too. Just because she's from December 2002 doesn't justify immortal beings she controls. If I say my fantasy monsters are immortal, I'm 100% sure I am godmodding in International Incidents.

Well IMO there are a few:

Verdant Archipelago - He's keeping his population down to the tens of millions, but a war with him would still scare me. He wins through innovation rather than brute force, which very few NS nations (even, I will admit, myself) try to / are capable of doing.

Doomingsland - He's the nation Im most likely to go to war with, and his knowledge of land armies trumps mine. He also has some pretty scary tech.

Sarzonia + Hogsweat (same reason) - Doom probably could actually invade me because he couldnt defeat my navy, but both Sarz and Hogsweat would have a pretty good chance.

Menelmacar and immortal elves, sure I can be powerful too. Just because she's from December 2002 doesn't justify immortal beings she controls. If I say my fantasy monsters are immortal, I'm 100% sure I am godmodding in International Incidents.How exactly are immortal beings a godmode when their IC aging process has zero influence on population growth, gives them zero advantage in battle (Woo-hoo, I've been trained with bow and arow, back when we were fighting Sauron... Wait... This doesn't help me much with machineguns or power armour... damn) and is generally just, uh, lemme check... Tolkien canon?

The only thing one could possibly mutter about would be the immune-to-disease thing, but given the excessive ineffectiveness of bioweapons, the general lack of use of bioweapons and other such things, I dare saying that this isn't actually a relevant factor. And seeing the level Menelmacar RPs on (Specifically, regular interaction with machine-nations like Zero-One), the difference is actually... insignificant.

The only sane argument is that Menelmacar isn't RPing at all, which makes it kinda irrelevant.

You don't understand the point I'm trying to get across. I don't care about factors such as beings being unaffected by aging, but at some point an organism dies. Fantasy or not, when you have a peaceful RP, diplomatic stuff or throwing a party it does not matter. When you're fighting another however, it DOES. Immortality means you cannot die. The usual result of being hit in the face with a load of buckshot, a hail of bullets (normally kills an organism) is death. Immortality means death cannot be the result of such thing. What has Tolkien to do with this? Being killed by a dagger, a sword or an arrow is the same as being killed by a bullet or a slug; it kills.

Zero-One lives in cyberspace, Menelmacar on earth and in space. Automagfreek is located on earth. I think we have at least one reason why immortality isn't really "fair play". If people recognize it when fighting Menelmacar or any other nation which has immortal beings, so be it. I for one wouldn't recognize it at all.

Ummm... Menelmacari 'Immortality' refers to not aging and not dying of aging. They die quite quickly when shot...

OK, a few things to clear up here.
Every nation relies on trade, whether you accept it or not. That means, for an non landlocked nation, like AMF, you need to be able to enforce your trade routes. As it has been shown, AMF has an outstanding army (ive never heard of his airforce though :/) but not such a good navy. Now if one person who pours his power into his navy, destroy's AMF's floaty force (no names mentioned <.<) Then AMF would be useless because eventually he'd run out of natural resources. I'm actually quite sure AMF is an RPer of the calibre to accept this kind of defeat.
However, I'm not sure if said nation's navy could defeat the spam of naval forces that will surely accompany AMF. As Borman said, he's mainly untouchable because everyone sucks up to him. I actually think this is good though, because it still shows that alot of nations are "fearful" of being conquered. While AMF is a brilliant writer and great tactician I don't know what is in the realms of ignorable (eg, not being able to import/export)

For me, It's either:
Doomingsland or Praetonia
I know I've got little hope of achieving anything if I invade Doomingsland and I know that I'm slightly inferior navalwise to Praetonia, considering he taught me 75% of what I know. There's also alot of other naval powers (specifically OMP) that I would not want to go to war with.

~Hoggie's two free pounds

You should have explained yourself. Let's have some fun with a dictionary shall we? Here, the entry of "immortality" on www.dictionary.com3 entries found for immortality.
im·mor·tal·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (môr-tl-t)
n.
The quality or condition of being immortal.
Endless life or existence.
Enduring fame.
Now, that kind of contradicts what you say, but on the other hand, it does not. Not aging means they do not get old. Getting older results, at one time or another, in death. Yet these elves die like a normal human when shot. So we have a regular human without the possibility of aging, thus unable to die a death of natural causes. Am I right or wrong? If you don't age or can get sick, you can only die by the sword or gun of someone else.

Given that you were the one using the term immortal to begin with... What's your point, again?

And, while we're at it: I'll admit that I was confused by your second-last post. You were either ranting about how Menelmacari don't die from gunfire (Wrong), or you were ranting about how they can die from it (Right). Assuming that the latter was correct... What's your complaint, again?

I don't fear anyone per se, and I don't really see them as dangerous.
But I have a shortlist of the "best" people that I have interacted, or seen about on the forums.

-ZMI [Military technology]
-Dread Lady Nathicana [diplomacy]
-Iraqstan [Propaganda]
-Eurusea/GMCMA [The insanity of those nations and Eurusea's "Nuke it" policy.]

AMF I'd probably see him as "a" Dangerous IIer, not much more.
He's a nice guy and some of his RPing is ok, but not the best, nor the most dangerous, in my opinion.

Also: HP, you're thinking "Godly" or "Invincible" which I can assure you, elves are not. Just because they [i]can live forever doesn't mean they do, they die if you cleave off their heads all the same, or burn them, or blow them up... well, you get the idea.

You should have explained yourself. Let's have some fun with a dictionary shall we?

Let's not and say we did. It's obvious to anyone who's actually looked at Tolkien Elves that their form of 'immortality' refers to an inability to die due to ageing, being as Sauron would have been little threat if Elrond could have just walked up to him and bitch-slapped the ring off him because he was indestructable.

Let's not and say we did. It's obvious to anyone who's actually looked at Tolkien Elves that their form of 'immortality' refers to an inability to die due to ageing, being as Sauron would have been little threat if Elrond could have just walked up to him and bitch-slapped the ring off him because he was indestructable.

AHahahah! So true!

As a response to Kyanges, you pale in comparison to me. Huntaer's tech tree or whatever you want to call THAT THING, it complete shit. I wouldn't accept half of his crap because of his posts. Like this:

Craft: Huntarian NHAG
Type: Air Speeder
Length: 13.2m
Crew: 1 + 1 Gunner
Passengers: 0
Cargo Capacity: 500 Kilograms
Cover: Full
Altitude Range: Ground level-2.5km
Move: 450; 1,100kmh
Shield Strength: 150 SBD
Weapons:
Twin Advanced Laser Cannons, 2 Advanced Proton Torpetoe launchers
General Description:
TBA


I compressed the post a little for this thread, but that is all he has. He never updated it, he's never done anything with it. How am I supposed to RP fighting these things? He gives almost nothing except basic stats for units he can pull out of his backside. While Kjata Major is limited to MT, that is very restrictive in the kind of tech and specs the weaponry and military vehicles can be. Everything is pressed so well to being true to life, if it exists in real life. Then we go FT and the big beautiful Star Destroyers and Death Stars are all replaced by pictures and copied stats and then when you MAKE one it is filled with crap. Complete and utter waste of space.

Frankly I say any DECENT FT nation could slap Huntaer around with one fleet and make him and his horrible unit spamming/no tactics warfare powerless to stop a decent, GOOD force.

Pantera-scared the hell out of me in my first RP-becfasue I was trading slaves

AMF-Scary ebcause of all the nations that join him, 1 on 1 I would be able to hold him off, but the 12902839384075 antions that join him, most of 'em are big as well, really help him, a lot.

Guff-Good allie of mine, but scary none the less

The load of asskissing here just makes me sick and I feel like chopping down young trees violently.

Seriously, all the 2005's and late 2004's here have no clue about Automagfreek's "amazing" roleplay history, and Iraqstan agrees with me on this one I am sure, that his supposed mastery of everything and any nation is just an urban NationStates myth. Anyone remembers the Austro Hungary godmodding? Well I do and it's an example why AMF, in his boundless confidence people recognize it as legit, knows people accept his RPs because of all the myths floating around him concerning AMF being ICly and OOCly "untouchable". Or his sentinels. Cruel beasts who will sit on a grenade when ordered to do so, immune to cancer and AIDS, strong as a bull but swift as a fox. Don't make me laugh.
Hell, if he was playing in the NationStates forum he'd be large, but not a power I reckon. I know a dozen more potent nations in there, and it ain't the usual Melkor Unchained who always stands ready to beat AMF into submission. When I see everyone here voting for AMF, I know people do because they do not know any other nation to nominate.

Don't state the obvious and don't jump on a bandwagon only when you think you know a person well enough to vote on him.

Funny how you say that if I were to play in NS I'd be nothing special. Well, you do realize that the NS forum is where the contingent of old, big ass space nations play, right? for a modern/post modern tech nation like myself, it's no contest.

LOL, also funny you should bring up Austo Hungary.

Th guy couldn't RP his way out of a paper bag, and he declared war on me. I stomped his nation into a fine white powder, and there wasn't really much else he did in his own defense, mostly because he was RP ignorant. If I recall correctly, I left just enough of a population for him to start over, so please tel me where the godmod is.

As far as Iraqstan, I could care less what he says. There was a time when he was very civil towards me, and when I invaded him over 2 years ago we had a blast (for the record, he surrendered. I log every military conflict I'm involved in.). Now, all he does is bash my name wherever he goes, but I've grown desensitized to it because he is of a very small percentage that does not like me OOCly.

Now, as far as this comment goes:

IIRC, the war between Melkor and AMF was the only stalemate, and I believe it was because there wasn't the giant "Band-Wagon-of-Doom" like there is now. I may be wrong, though.

At the time Melkor Unchained was one of two 'uberpowers' in NS, one of two nations considered to be pretty much invincible. I was around 50 million when I invaded Melkor. To put it in perspective, a tie against someone who was (at one point) that powerfull is a hell of an accomplishment, seeing as Melkor was trouncing nations larger and more well known than mine.

The popularity of AMF and his known skills makes him weaker because if he is the one to beat, everyone will know how and what he does. He obviously won't know you as through as you know him and you can trick him or plan ahead and wipe him out. Popularity is not the best method for being 'dangerous' it decreases the danger factor.

I'd have to disagree, if anything it gives me even more of an edge.

In the past 6 months I've been changing up my RP, this way when people go into battle with me expecting me to do my usual 'human wave blitzkrieg', they get a nasty surprise. I think this is why people fear the nation of Automagfreek, because they never know what nasty surprise lurks around the corner. I would almost certainly hate AMF ICly if I was playing another nation.

But now that that's out of the way, in my opinion the most dangerous nation is...the one you underestimate.

AMF-Scary ebcause of all the nations that join him, 1 on 1 I would be able to hold him off, but the 12902839384075 antions that join him, most of 'em are big as well, really help him, a lot.



I love this misonception that I cannot fight anyone 1 on 1. Hogwash. Only in the past year have I gained the 'f4nboi l3g1on of d00m', and before that I fought almost entirely 1 on 1.

But nobody remembers when I stopped Forumwalker, a December '02 nation from taking over Russian Forces with only my spec ops. Nobody remembers my invasion of Nanakaland and James Adams, 2 GDODAD nations and or supporters, and their surrender to me. Nobody remembers me fighting multiple nations simultaniously in both WW4 and WW5.

But that's ok I guess, every misconception only gives me that much more of an edge.

I love this misonception that I cannot fight anyone 1 on 1. Hogwash. Only in the past year have I gained the 'f4nboi l3g1on of d00m', and before that I fought almost entirely 1 on 1.

But nobody remembers when I stopped Forumwalker, a December '02 nation from taking over Russian Forces with only my spec ops. Nobody remembers my invasion of Nanakaland and James Adams, 2 GDODAD nations and or supporters, and their surrender to me. Nobody remembers me fighting multiple nations simultaniously in both WW4 and WW5.

But that's ok I guess, every misconception only gives me that much more of an edge.

Ah, I do remeber the nanakaland thing.... that was fun to watch.

OOC: AMF I think I could stand against you for awhile, defensively. Though we don't 'fear' you, we respect ya, as a nation we don't fear anything.

Weird how no one disagrees with me about Huntaer though. o.O

I don't know, I'm pretty afraid of Chronosia and Unified Sith, I'd have to vote for one of them.

I'd have to say FT Doomingsland; big, scary, converting people left right and centre. Thankfully we're at his side, not in his path.

I love this misonception that I cannot fight anyone 1 on 1. Hogwash. Only in the past year have I gained the 'f4nboi l3g1on of d00m', and before that I fought almost entirely 1 on 1.

But nobody remembers when I stopped Forumwalker, a December '02 nation from taking over Russian Forces with only my spec ops. Nobody remembers my invasion of Nanakaland and James Adams, 2 GDODAD nations and or supporters, and their surrender to me. Nobody remembers me fighting multiple nations simultaniously in both WW4 and WW5.

But that's ok I guess, every misconception only gives me that much more of an edge.
I never said that you couldn't fight anyone 1 to 1, I reamber those events, what i said is that i think I could HOLD you one on one, not beat you. However because you have so many allies/hangers on, in a open RP you would trash anyone, (Unless it was HP/Guff and the RWC/NATO) just through the sheer power of allies.

No one is afraid of me :(

WELL I'll SHOW YOU!

Most dangerous countries to Sarzonia considering its alignment are Generic Empire (though I hear he's getting ready to retire from NS :() and Doomingsland, who is my primary enemy ICly. But in both cases, I respect their ability to tell stories and I think they're both cool OOCly.

Any great story needs a nemesis of equal ability as the protagonist, and the well-developed enemy must have redeeming qualities and reasons for operating besides just being evil for evil's sake. I think Doomingsland fits that bill nicely.

No one is afraid of me :(

WELL I'll SHOW YOU!Heh, I might be if we were still at odds ICly, but why would I be afraid of one of my best customers? ;)

Im not afraid of any nation, but during the Saharistan war(Before we trounced him) When i was around 20 mil pop i had space union, soviet bloc ? and like 15 other nations supporting him, which was pretty harrowing..

Nobody remembers my invasion of Nanakaland and James Adams, 2 GDODAD nations and or supporters, and their surrender to me.

I remember them. I was the one providing naval support.

I remember them. I was the one providing naval support.

Good to see you're still lurking around II!

I escpecially remember 60 ICBM's hitting me, killing 8 million civilians, then nuking his own civilians. Then firing 50 at hailandkill

I escpecially remember 60 ICBM's hitting me, killing 8 million civilians, then nuking his own civilians. Then firing 50 at hailandkill

(OOC)

Those were the days. :cool:

Mind you I have this feeling that your nation may have a repeat of that experience in the not too distant future ;)

I escpecially remember 60 ICBM's hitting me, killing 8 million civilians, then nuking his own civilians. Then firing 50 at hailandkill

Spamming that stuff is not how most nations should fight. If you can do one by one very effectively in an RP then you deserve to use them, but unless you can, its practically Godmodding.

Spamming that stuff is not how most nations should fight. If you can do one by one very effectively in an RP then you deserve to use them, but unless you can, its practically Godmodding.


He bought like 200 of em, then demanded we all surrender, i told him to go F&^K himself(ICly) and he launched em at me.

Good to see you're still lurking around II!

Yeah, the last year of school forced me to take a massively long RP break, but I'm back.

Well... In response to the original question, how do you actually define the most dangerous country in NS? How would you define it - either as a danger to most countries, or as a danger to some countries? There are a lot of factors involved, and quite frankly, there's no such thing in our dynamic world of NS roleplaying.

Note that this thread also includes NationStates, not just II. NationStates isn't much of a threat spawner, but there are some who can be quite a dangerous dudey.

No, I'm talking the irrationality of determining such kind of thing: as the NS world goes on, threats evolve, relationships change, and different outcomes will result from different engagements. These are just some of the many factors involved. Determining such country would be only unfair to the many others who also has the potential to be the so-called "most dangerous in NS" - but in the end, just what quality allows someone to be the "most dangerous"? A quality that will never exist.

But now that that's out of the way, in my opinion the most dangerous nation is...the one you underestimate.

You know, I was kinda sad that nobody was mentioning me, now I realize that's more of a blessing than I thought.

You know, I was kinda sad that nobody was mentioning me, now I realize that's more of a blessing than I thought.

Well, I haven't seen you RP, so I guess I in particular is in no position to do say anything.

Kriegorgrad-although in my opinion, not as deadly as his ranting says he is-is still quite dangerous, and a good roleplayer to boot. AMF, however, is probably the one nation that I would be slightly concerned to fight against.

I consider Melkor insanely dangerous, now that I think of it.

Doomingsland, Sarzonia, and Praetonia get honerable mentions.

Of course, I could beat any of these guys blindfolded.

Well... In response to the original question, how do you actually define the most dangerous country in NS? How would you define it - either as a danger to most countries, or as a danger to some countries? There are a lot of factors involved, and quite frankly, there's no such thing in our dynamic world of NS roleplaying.

You're reading too much into it. This is just another opinion thread in which NS's express their take on the subject - mostly, as you can see, according to "what nation does my nation consider the most dangerous." It's not really about some greater, objective reality, you're right, there are too many factors to determine that.

On subject, I have to admit that no single country poses enough of a threat to be "most dangerous" to mine. As usual with NS politics, it's more about alliances and blocs of power.

You're reading too much into it. This is just another opinion thread in which NS's express their take on the subject - mostly, as you can see, according to "what nation does my nation consider the most dangerous." It's not really about some greater, objective reality, you're right, there are too many factors to determine that.

On subject, I have to admit that no single country poses enough of a threat to be "most dangerous" to mine. As usual with NS politics, it's more about alliances and blocs of power.

Exactly.

On another note, I should have put in 'with no ally intervention'. But I was too late.

w00t, I got mentioned like five times. Anyhow, I don't really fear anyone per se, but if I'd have to say Sarzonia and Praetonia are probably the two most threatening guys to me.

In a ground or land war I could crush both (although Prae would be pretty difficult in a land war, his tech is no pushover), but in a naval war, they'd easily kick my ass.

In otherwards, I could crush them in a defensive war, just as they could crush me if I tried to attack them, so we're pretty much in a permenant strategic stalemate.

EDIT: Wait, left out one. Soviet Bloc is probably the most threatening guy, hands down. Although I'm aligned to him, his tech is probably the best in NS. That's one guy I DEFINATELY do not want to fuck with.

Most dangerous? A newbie that RPs very nicely for his size. Why? Cause he has potential...and lots of it.

Yeah, the last year of school forced me to take a massively long RP break, but I'm back.
Know how you feel.

Hey Aust. Remember when you threatened to invade me cause my sister (Sanduras) was complaining about my erstwhile imperialism? Haha, I still remember that.

However, for dangerous country on the 'good guys', I'd say the Island of Rose.

w00t, I got mentioned like five times. Anyhow, I don't really fear anyone per se, but if I'd have to say Sarzonia and Praetonia are probably the two most threatening guys to me.

In a ground or land war I could crush both (although Prae would be pretty difficult in a land war, his tech is no pushover), but in a naval war, they'd easily kick my ass.

In otherwards, I could crush them in a defensive war, just as they could crush me if I tried to attack them, so we're pretty much in a permenant strategic stalemate.

EDIT: Wait, left out one. Soviet Bloc is probably the most threatening guy, hands down. Although I'm aligned to him, his tech is probably the best in NS. That's one guy I DEFINATELY do not want to fuck with.

OMG You don't FEAR my soldiers? what about all those 150 times I've pwnt you on the ground?

OMG You don't FEAR my soldiers? what about all those 150 times I've pwnt you on the ground?
Of course I do, I mean, they pwned so much when they were surrounded and taken prisoner, then shipped off to brainwashing centers after which you had to pay for their return, or that time they landed on an airfield occupied by me and suffered 95% casualties :)

yay for Spooty being not mentioned :P

For my nation it has to be Plutocratica who seems to be currently using the riots in my nation as an excuse to take over :( it's all good though cos i know that it's all for the greater good.

Now... really, I don't fear most nations. Not even the big ones with an aura of fear around them that strikes whoever they talk to. Anyone going to war with me pretty much would be caught in Vietnam on steroids, although I'd definatly get my balls kicked deep inwards if I were to try to invade anyone. The perks of being on islands smaller than Hawaii.

The Corporation doesnt fear anyone, or anything...

although a few people who have stood out to the Corporation are

Chronosia
Mini Miehm
Coreworlds

I love Chronosias back ground and setting, so far its probably the best i have seen on here,

Mini Miehm... we have somthing of a feud ever since the Blood Moon Goblin Campagin... its a shame that chapter ended with the spitting of some dummies

Coreworlds, i had a nice little skirmish with this person in the Nationstates War part 1, he has my respect for some of the things he/she did and my bundled attempt at bombing his cities,


A question i have always asked myself, does anyone fear or respect the Corporation? I know mini Miehm dislikes the Corporations "CF" class Sardaukar... *evil smile*

I personally haven't seen you RP, nor have I RPed against or with you. We should RP something sometimes.

I personally haven't seen you RP, nor have I RPed against or with you. We should RP something sometimes.

You have mail...

You have mail...

I've noticed.

Generic Empire (though I hear he's getting ready to retire from NS :()

WHAT!? Where did you hear that!? He's showering right now, otherwise I'd have him come and tell you that's wrong. He does think NS is dead, which I disagree with, but he hasn't shared plans for leaving with me, or intended he was going to.

And you all forget the most dangerous nation of all...me! I'm really Max Berry, and so in a war I could change my population ot be 100 Billion, and Russian tactics anyone to death!

To be honest...

My nation has practially no allies (except for NATO) or enemies. The only war I've participated in was the Hataria Mammalian war (then the eventual Hataria war). I was a 5 - 10 million nation during these wars.

I stood up to some big names like Communist Mississippi, Initerate Tree Dweller, Nazi Weaponized Virus, etc. who were easily 1 billion populace at that time. My nation interfered with their efforts to rape and plunder stuff in Hataria Mammalia, and my nation did not get glassed over or invaded. I doubt anyone remembers that war, though. :(

That aside, after these wars, I haven't really participated in I.I. RP's. I've been focused in the Earth Series (Earth V mostly), as I wanted to RP in a Earth setting where nobody could god-mod distances and "I teleport my stuff 50,000 miles [in NS Earth] in just 1 day!". I couldn't find any decent worthwhile RP's with the exception of the rare and odd RP's like Feline Catfish, Maradakaya, Feminany, etc.

I have a few "contacts" outside of NATO, like Sarzonia and Praetonia.

Thus, my nation has an extremely limited number of nations that it has interacted with in its 1 year history here at NS. I believe that the still-active (in one form or another, the rest like Communist Mississippi, Nazi Weaponized Virus, etc. were moderator DEAT'ed or were deleted for inactivity) nations that Sharina had interaction with were...

1. Vastiva
2. Island of Rose
3. Schultaria Prime
4. Sarzonia
5. Praetonia
6. Mauiwowee (He RP's in NS Earth and Earth V)
7. AMF (For a brief bit in the Feminany RP and the Feline Catfish RP's)

Ugh, I can't think of any other NS Earth (or mainstream NS) "active" nations that I've interacted with IC'ly.

However, my OOC interaction has been more extensive, with chatter between myself and other people like AMF, Glorious Hack, GMC Military Arms, Der Angst, Kjata Major, Praetonia, Omz222, Kyanges, and dozens of other nations.

Therefore, my nation is incapable of fearing any nations IC'ly because it has no enemies to fear.

OoC I can't believe this...it's so painstakingly obvious, the most powerful non-godmodder (although they come pretty close to the edge with the power) would have to be...me. Noone can resist the might of the rusting Proletarian Fleet, no army in existence can hope to counter the Proletarian Guardsmen and their Enfield bolt-actions while the MIG-21's of the (you guessed it!) Proletarian Airforce scream over.

I win. Sorry, but it's obvious.
So what? We're cannibals.

AMF he's scaryified

But.....I do respect many other nations as well.

Upper Xen
MassPwnage
Vastiva
Kriegorgrad
The Parthians
Generic Empire
Doomingsland

Aye. That's about that.

It really depends on the situation...For example, Nianacio would be nearly unstoppable on the seas unless outnumbered, and be an unpleasant opponent in jungle warfare (and anything else that requires good light infantry), but it would be in trouble in the desert, isn't a nuclear threat, and is a peaceful nation that most of you have probably never even heard of and don't have to worry much about. Nianacio doesn't really have any enemies, either, so it doesn't have anyone to fear, but others probably won't fear it, either.


IMO many of the 'powerful'/'expert' nations out there are godmoders. Invincible superbattleships, paranormal activities, fantasy creatures, fighter jets with several inches of armor and/or Athena, et cetera are fine if the people you RP with say so, and you can write good stories using them, but at least in near-future RP they're still godmoding

EDIT: I forgot about tank guns that are both ETC and larger than modern tank guns...>_>

AHahahah! So true!

As a response to Kyanges, you pale in comparison to me. Huntaer's tech tree or whatever you want to call THAT THING, it complete shit. I wouldn't accept half of his crap because of his posts. Like this:




I compressed the post a little for this thread, but that is all he has. He never updated it, he's never done anything with it. How am I supposed to RP fighting these things? He gives almost nothing except basic stats for units he can pull out of his backside. While Kjata Major is limited to MT, that is very restrictive in the kind of tech and specs the weaponry and military vehicles can be. Everything is pressed so well to being true to life, if it exists in real life. Then we go FT and the big beautiful Star Destroyers and Death Stars are all replaced by pictures and copied stats and then when you MAKE one it is filled with crap. Complete and utter waste of space.

Frankly I say any DECENT FT nation could slap Huntaer around with one fleet and make him and his horrible unit spamming/no tactics warfare powerless to stop a decent, GOOD force.

Wow, I can't believe I missed this. Was this just complete flame bait?!

I haven't fought you FT, so I don't understand how you can even say I pale in comparison. I even put my self down in that post and you have the nerve to beat me in the ground further.

One thing I'd like clarified by you is this part here: "when you MAKE one it is filled with crap." You aren't really referring to me are you?

IMO many of the 'powerful'/'expert' nations out there are godmoders. Invincible superbattleships, paranormal activities, fantasy creatures, fighter jets with several inches of armor and/or Athena, et cetera are fine if the people you RP with say so, and you can write good stories using them, but at least in near-future RP they're still godmoding

Well... Everything in NS pretty much needs heavy armor, as everyone has uberwankbfguns while claiming to be MT. A good man-toted AA missle, squeezing off some AAGS grenades, or even the ol' .50 cal could still take some aircraft out. Most people don't realize how slow an 80+ ton tank would actually be, with a single 1,500 horsepower engine, how much power it would take to power even an ETC gun (Sure, a 1,500 hp engine COULD power it - on it's own. Not when it also has to haul 80 tons of armor and crew), and the fact that with a little thinking, no tank is undefeatable. (It ain't the gun, it's the ammo.) A lot of stuff in NS gets carried away (This post for example).

So far it's either AMF or a personal slew.

WHAT!? Where did you hear that!? He's showering right now, otherwise I'd have him come and tell you that's wrong. He does think NS is dead, which I disagree with, but he hasn't shared plans for leaving with me, or intended he was going to.From a AIM chat with Doom and then later directly from him. He told me he needed to focus on school. It's possible he changed his mind, which I would absolutely love OOCly because I enjoy reading his writing that much.

If you want, I can find the chat logs for you.

Super- battleships piss me off. I fired over 350 missiles alltoegether at the pathian fleet on two occasions(Uprising in VSI) 1st attack, sank 3 carriers, 2 crusiers and like 8 destroyers. then launched 150 moskit missiles at 2 super battleships, and only 2 ! made it through, due to his battleship having"foot upon foot of armor", and his EMP missiles which he said he had which magicly appeared on the ships. :mad:

So what? We're cannibals.

AMF he's scaryified

But.....I do respect many other nations as well.

Upper Xen
MassPwnage
Vastiva
Kriegorgrad
The Parthians
Generic Empire
Doomingsland

Aye. That's about that.

I'll show you Camel Eaters! You'll get what's coming!

And Sarz, I talked to him. He told me he'd said that, but reconsidered. He needs to focus more on school, but he's not gonna quit entirely.

I'm not on any of these lists. :(

At the time Melkor Unchained was one of two 'uberpowers' in NS, one of two nations considered to be pretty much invincible. I was around 50 million when I invaded Melkor. To put it in perspective, a tie against someone who was (at one point) that powerfull is a hell of an accomplishment, seeing as Melkor was trouncing nations larger and more well known than mine.
Ummm... The conflict was in September 2003, I believe, and your founding date is March 2003... Melkor is February 2003... Your math is horribly off.

And lets not forget that the goal of the conflict was to eliminate Melkor. Saying that it was a tie because AMF survived is like saying vietnam was a tie for the US because the US survived.

I'm not on any of these lists. :(

That's because you arn't a threat except to nations a tenth your size.

edit: Also, MassPwnage shouldn't be on anyone's list considering the amount of god moded crap he expects people to swallow, like an aircraft carrier that holds 1200 aircraft and yet is supposed to be MT :rolleyes:

Also, I'm pretty strong myself in the category of air power, but not being a particularly aggressive or warlike nation I'm not that much of a threat unless provoked. >_>

Nations I consider pretty nasty are Credonia and Austar Union.

That's because you arn't a threat except to nations a tenth your size.

Shows how much you know about me then. And on what would you base this on? The only war I've seen you in was the VSI war and I didn't have much chance to do what my men are good at, mountain fighting. Look at it this way. I landed with 4 legions, 40,000 men vs half of the VSI army. I beat all of them, took a city, and then helped my allies out.

I don't balive you saw some of the big conflicts I've been in, the ones that whre a while back. Maybe you should look at the one coming up, me vs HP.

That's because you arn't a threat except to nations a tenth your size.

edit: Also, MassPwnage shouldn't be on anyone's list considering the amount of god moded crap he expects people to swallow, like an aircraft carrier that holds 1200 aircraft and yet is supposed to be MT :rolleyes:

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A few of my Nuclear scramjet missiles would take that out :)

Of course the most dangerous nation in the world is Bonstock!!!!

ICBM Silo #195678
Central Bonstock

"Lieutenant," said the General, "just to show how dangerous our nation is, we're gonna pick a random nation and nuke him!"

The Lieutenant didn't respond. He had headphones in his ears, and was singing along to "For What It's Worth."

"Lieutenant! Listen to me when I'm talking!" He siezed the headphones.

"We gotta stop, hey... what the fuck are you doing with my headphones?" He turned around. "Oh, General, I'm sorry, sir." He got up and stood at full attention, saluting.

"Whatever. Just fire the missiles."

"Yes, sir." He got down, turned the key, and pressed the big red button that said "FIRE." A fire alarm quickly rang out, and sprinklers began spraying.

"God dammit Lieutenant, I didn't say fire! I said fire the missiles!"

"Oh, yes sir." He pressed the other red button, the one that said "FIRE THE MISSILES." The television moniter showed as the missile slowly rose from its silo. It began to accelerate, and cleared the silo, only to have its engines fail, and it slowed down and started to fall back to earth.

"Shit," was the only word the General had time to say.

But.....I do respect many other nations as well.

Upper Xen
MassPwnage
Vastiva
Kriegorgrad
The Parthians
Generic Empire
Doomingsland

OoC: Why thank you Camel Eaters, you now pwn that bit more! :)

Nations I consider pretty nasty are Credonia and Austar Union.I don't think of Credonia as being all that fearsome of a country, TBH. I was able to stare him down over a standoff against OMP and he buckled. Hamptonshire took on AU when Hamp was a tiny 7 million pop country and AU was over a billion. Then again, I don't think AU waves around his population nearly as much as some folks I've seen around here do.

And Sarz, I talked to him. He told me he'd said that, but reconsidered. He needs to focus more on school, but he's not gonna quit entirely.I'm *very* relieved he's not leaving NS. Hopefully, he can stay on top of his studies and keep up his writing here.

Super- battleships piss me off. I fired over 350 missiles alltoegether at the pathian fleet on two occasions(Uprising in VSI) 1st attack, sank 3 carriers, 2 crusiers and like 8 destroyers. then launched 150 moskit missiles at 2 super battleships, and only 2 ! made it through, due to his battleship having"foot upon foot of armor", and his EMP missiles which he said he had which magicly appeared on the ships. :mad:

You know the Bismark had two feet of armor, right? Now the Bismark is practically a destroyer in many NS navies, so a super BB would quite obviously have "feet upon feet of armor." No, missiles will not go through feet of solid armor, unless they are carrying a very large payload. Even then, the damaged SBB would take quite a long time to sink.

In fact, after Nagato was nuked twice in Crossroads, she still took four days to sink. Pennsylvania never even sank. Now while an air burst or ocean burst nuke a thousand or so feet away isn't the same as a few kilotons in a cruise missile, ships are harder to sink than you think.

Super- battleships piss me off. I fired over 350 missiles alltoegether at the pathian fleet on two occasions(Uprising in VSI) 1st attack, sank 3 carriers, 2 crusiers and like 8 destroyers. then launched 150 moskit missiles at 2 super battleships, and only 2 ! made it through, due to his battleship having"foot upon foot of armor", and his EMP missiles which he said he had which magicly appeared on the ships. :mad:

Face it you got owned because you don't know how to destroy those ships. When you hit them in the right spot they are DOOMED. The flaw exists on the underside of all places. Missiles are of little use. Since SB's and SD's are so slow in comparison they won't deploy torpedo netting. That could cut them down to a standstill.

Ummm... The conflict was in September 2003, I believe, and your founding date is March 2003... Melkor is February 2003... Your math is horribly off.

And lets not forget that the goal of the conflict was to eliminate Melkor. Saying that it was a tie because AMF survived is like saying vietnam was a tie for the US because the US survived.

Sorry, missed a zero. I intended to write 500 million. Big deal.

And no, we came to a cease fire, so effectively it was a tie.

The Corporation doesnt fear anyone, or anything...

although a few people who have stood out to the Corporation are

Chronosia
Mini Miehm
Coreworlds

I love Chronosias back ground and setting, so far its probably the best i have seen on here,

Mini Miehm... we have somthing of a feud ever since the Blood Moon Goblin Campagin... its a shame that chapter ended with the spitting of some dummies

Coreworlds, i had a nice little skirmish with this person in the Nationstates War part 1, he has my respect for some of the things he/she did and my bundled attempt at bombing his cities,


A question i have always asked myself, does anyone fear or respect the Corporation? I know mini Miehm dislikes the Corporations "CF" class Sardaukar... *evil smile*

Damn you and your Saradukar, they're evil!!! EVIL I SAY!!!

Meh, personally I actually concider smaller crazier nations to be more of a threat to Iuthia then any large nation... seriously, Automagfreek doesn't scare Iuthia one bit because we know exactly how to handle them, I'm not talking about militarily, though I feel that Iuthia is at a point where it's conciderably safe from such 'powers'.

Frankly, it's hard to feel threatened by most nations because we're not foolish enough to start incidents over the smallest of issues, our allies were chosen carefully to make sure they both supportive of Iuthia and wise enough not to drag us into wars over petty insults.

That said, Iuthia isn't a threat to anyone... if I get on someones list in this thread my countries IDC has failed partly, because Iuthia isn't supposed to be threatening, at least not as threatening as others try to be.

So to answer the original question (and not to sidetrack off into a discussion on AMF, who is only a threat if you make him one) the biggest threats are smaller nuclear nations looking to prove themselves, unstable factions looking to start world wars over the smallest most pedantic reasoning. Most large nations at this point know exactly what war entails and are usually careful or at least can control their creations. It's the more unstable nations that start wars which could potentially damage the faux stability the international community has, possibly reaching the a nuclear boiling point, which frankly no one wants.

So meh, any reasonable nation isn't really that much of a threat, I mean, who wants a war with Iuthia? It's not worth the trouble, I assure you.

Well, lets see, I'd have to say I'd be most apprehensious about fighting the following:

1. Praetonia
2. Kriegorgrad
3. Sarzonia


Reasons?

Praetonia, as far as I know, is very well rounded, has some stunning technology, and frankly I don't know if I could beat him. Of course, I'd never intend to go to war with him in the first place. I also honestly believe, that if anyone wants an amount of very well rounded equipment, his would be the way to go .

Kriegorgrad, because it'd be like ramming your army into a wall studded with spikes every couple of minutes. You'll have to replace your army every couple days but eventually you'll knock down the wall [Proletarian Guard] and then get nailed by the real soldiers [Ordos Fedor; and my own damn tech, lol]. I don't think I'd have the pure resources or logistical power to carry on a war with Krieg, UNLESS it was on my own turf, then he's goin' down, hell yeah! Otherwise, his sheer mass of military and his people's unwielding loyalty to their leader which means they'd do [i]anything to support him (i.e. manufacturing armaments? Fighting?). War in Kriegorgrad would be about the equivalent of jumping into a chamber filled with gasoline vapors and deciding to have a smoke.

Finally, Sarzonia, because, well, he has his own array of technology [including several pieces and his own expertise, and although he may not be that great with ground warfare, he sure as hell would make mincemeat of my navy]. It all depends on the war of course, but his navy could be the deciding factor [especially considering mine is oriented towards ground support.

Luckily [and unluckily, I haven't been to war in an entire year], I've somehow tangled myself into this web of alliances that, I think, means that I will never have to go to war [I've got allies who's allies are the enemies of my allies, yet allies of my own and any enemies likely have allies that are my allies]. Its really messy, I'll tell ya what.

Otherwise, there's a few others I wouldn't really like to fight [well, unless it was scripted, hehe], but I can't think of all their names at the spur of the moment, I may add some later, if you all want.

Pantera or Guffingford, for different reasons.

Pantera is not only an extremely large, militaristic, country, but also is an incredibly detailed RP'er. Most people think of AMF when they think of massive battles involving Gholgoth, but I am reminded of Pantera and the sheer power and majesty of how he describes his fleets. Crimmond comes after Pantera in the regard, but Pantera really invokes the vision, makes you see everything clearly.

Guffingford for the sheer brutality and ruthlessness of how he fights, crushing everyone or everything in his path. I don't know why, but he frightens the hell out of me.

Everything in NS pretty much needs heavy armor, as everyone has uberwankbfguns while claiming to be MT.I don't. :p While I haven't put much info on the stuff I've 'made' online, I put a lot of thought into the stuff I 'make' for Nianacio's military...I guess that contributes to my annoyance of "uberwankbfguns" and related stuff. I've come up with ways to defeat some things I consider godmodes, though, just in case. ^_^
I'm not on any of these lists. :(That's a good thing...People won't be prepared for war with you. ;)
You know the Bismark had two feet of armor, right? Now the Bismark is practically a destroyer in many NS navies, so a super BB would quite obviously have "feet upon feet of armor."The Bismarck had slightly more than one foot of armor at its absolute thickest; other battleships came closer to two feet, with the Yamato just passing two feet on the turret faces. However, ships with deep belts, such as the Iowa, had the possibility of the armor breaking free, and this problem would just get worse as you increase the thickness of the armor, so covering your ship with "feet upon feet of armor" may actually severely cut into your ship's survivability. Even if you find a solution to that problem, ship-to-ship warfare isn't a good idea these days, and a giant heavily armored surface combatant will be pretty much useless.

I've changed my mind. Sanduras (my sister) has now screwed me over with her big posts.

Even if you find a solution to that problem, ship-to-ship warfare isn't a good idea these days, and a giant heavily armored surface combatant will be pretty much useless.

Get that irrelevant-to-NS-reality modern military theory out of here at once, before someone trips over it! :p

As they say, true danger are in the things you dont know.

So with that in mind, I certainly wouldnt mess around with Iuthia -- Yes, I know, for the most part he's just a puppy. But he can pull strings like you would never have believed previous. But in the meantime, Dread Lady Nathicana; I wouldnt be too surprised if she wasnt insanely efficient as a General as well as for Diplomacy. Treznor, Scolopendra -- Yeah, there isnt just one most dangerous country.

On the offhand, considering all the countries I just listed are banded together in one form or another, it would be a complicated combination of the Triumvirate of Yut, and the Non-Democratic Alliance. So, how does Automagfreek stand against that? Probably not very well.

EDIT: Iuthia -- I wouldnt consider my listing as a failure of the IDF, I would consider it an amazing success, given the context.

I don't think of Credonia as being all that fearsome of a country, TBH. I was able to stare him down over a standoff against OMP and he buckled. Hamptonshire took on AU when Hamp was a tiny 7 million pop country and AU was over a billion. Then again, I don't think AU waves around his population nearly as much as some folks I've seen around here do.

Actually, if I remember right that roleplay was over the Azores Islands. That ended up in cooporation rather than a stand off -- at least from my perspective anyway. But in the meantime, I wouldnt consider myself that powerful, there are far more people who are much more clever, much more *tied* than my own.

That said, I do like to think of the possibilities as endless, as it would be for anyone and everyone.

I'm just going to put Melkor up as top dog. =p I think we can likely all agree on that one.

I'm just going to put Melkor up as top dog. =p I think we can likely all agree on that one.

I Disagree. His powers are obselete. Arda is obselete.

Since SB's and SD's are so slow in comparison they won't deploy torpedo netting. That could cut them down to a standstill.Disregarding GMC's supercruisers, the average SD seems to go upwards of 30kts, from what I've seen in a variety of $ACRONYM_NUMBER_SD threads. Besides, getting the torpedos to hit the SD through $Number_of_escorts is a little tough, assuming equivtech level.

Are we STILL fucking discussing superdreadnoughts? Can't you give it a rest?
Willink, 150 Moskits is not really a number to do any damage to a Superdreadnought. You're not going to achieve anything firing off piddly amounts of missiles one after another. To take out an SDN or a BBN you have to use tactics and strategies, not spam missiles to make your opponent TAKE LOSSEZ. 150 Missiles is not going to get through my fleet, and if it did, one or two moskits are not going to cause *any* damage to my superdreadnought.

Btw, as for torpedoes, there's this little thing called supercav CIWS.

I've reworked my opinion: I don't particularly *fear* any nations, I more imagine them as a threat to me. I've got to the stage where, for example, if someone cuts off my trade, be it diplomatically or militarily, i'm more inclined to think they're an opponent that could hurt my country rather than RAWR IVE GOT A BIG MISSILE U R FUKKIN DED IF U SHOT ME ONCE MORE

RAWR MY SD'S DEFENSES ARE UNSTOPPABLE~!1!~

This is just why I just tac nuke the bloody things and damage them too much to be useful.

Strategy and tactics are only useful up to a point, you still need equipment to do the job right after all.

RAWR MY SD'S DEFENSES ARE UNSTOPPABLE~!1!~

This is just why I just tac nuke the bloody things and damage them too much to be useful.

Strategy and tactics are only useful up to a point, you still need equipment to do the job right after all.

I'd rather not get into this whole "HEP I DONT KNOW HOW TO BEAT IT SO ILL NUKE IT" argument. I suggest we keep it out of this thread.

I'd rather not get into this whole "HEP I DONT KNOW HOW TO BEAT IT SO ILL NUKE IT" argument. I suggest we keep it out of this thread.

Agreed, we've had this argument already :P

I fear Reploid Productions. She'll flood your nation with Otaku if you aren't careful.

I fear Reploid Productions. She'll flood your nation with Otaku if you aren't careful.Do not fear, for the Federated Lesbian > Otaku.

... of course, perhaps one could combine the two... Now that would be an interesting posthuman species.

True... even people who attack him respect him, hell even most RPers respect him...

And I only now know what's the big deal about him.

On the offhand, considering all the countries I just listed are banded together in one form or another, it would be a complicated combination of the Triumvirate of Yut, and the Non-Democratic Alliance. So, how does Automagfreek stand against that? Probably not very well.


Because we all know MT/PMT nations stand so much of a chance against the likes of Yut. :rolleyes:

Please lets keep this in the right context will ya... MT vs MT and FT vs FT would be the most rational right?

AMF without a doubt.

As a 200 million nation I will admit I'm relatively new, and only know most of the superpower nations by reputation, however that bloke is scary, really hideously powerful.

AMF without a doubt.

As a 200 million nation I will admit I'm relatively new, and only know most of the superpower nations by reputation, however that bloke is scary, really hideously powerful.

AMF is hardly a superpower. Though he is a great RPer its his legions of followers; some I bet he doesn't like/want, that make him so dangerous.

You try to start a war with AMF and literally dozens of nations attack you back, AMF is strong because he doesn't tell his supporters to fight FOR him.

Ones who can stand alone and are unafraid are powerful, but rarely 'dangerous' whens the last time that AMF declared war on massive alliances and slay them and their forces like some psycho RPG character?

I've expanded my 'dangerous' thing a little more.

Most latently dangerous (FT): Huntaer
Most latently dangerous (P/MT): Praetonia
Most dangerous with rep (P/MT): Automagfreak
Most personally known danger (FT): Kyanges
Most personally known danger (P/MT): Upper Xen

Because we all know MT/PMT nations stand so much of a chance against the likes of Yut. :rolleyes:

Alright. Imagining Yut as a group of PMT's... nope. They still kick your ass.

In fact, regardless of whom has the larger penii. I really dont see what the big deal is with Automagfreek.

Can he write his theme well? -- Sure, given the right people to roleplay it with.

Is he uber-powerful? -- Not really. Its more percieved power more than anything. Look past the gore, and you'll eventually see that he's just a big puppy dog.

Doomingsland told me to reply, why is beyond me.

Coreworlds, i had a nice little skirmish with this person in the Nationstates War part 1, he has my respect for some of the things he/she did nd my bundled attempt at bombing his cities,
W00T! I got mentioned! :D

Anyway, I feel that the most dangerous nations are as follows:
Axis Nova: He fought my SW-type craft to a standstill at Numonica, and his Destroy units are a force to be reckoned with. and he's only PMT! *shudders at a FT version*

Chronosia: I hate Chaos hordes!! 'Nuff said.

Doomingsland: 'Nuff said.

Unified Sith: We have probably the longest ongoing RP in the history of NS, spanning a year and a half or so. He killed my main character (though later revived), and sent the Masaki Clan out to the Unknown Regions with their tails between their legs.

Godular: He's my ally and he scares me!

Mini Miehm: He's practically forcing me to take a long hard look on improving my tech base, along with Axis Nova. Star Wars doesn't really cut it anymore...

In fact, regardless of whom has the larger penii. I really dont see what the big deal is with Automagfreek.

Can he write his theme well? -- Sure, given the right people to roleplay it with.

Is he uber-powerful? -- Not really. Its more percieved power more than anything. Look past the gore, and you'll eventually see that he's just a big puppy dog.

All power in this game is "perceived power." All players need "the right people" to roleplay with or it doesn't work. ;)

Where's Inkana? He has a great handle on land tactics, and has a good grasp of proper usage of Air Power.

Why are so many people saying AMF? He is a godmodder. If one goes to war with him, he just calls in the numerous wanks he has lined up to attack. It's pathetic.

I can't believe so many of you all said AMF.

I would definitely have to agree with Iuthia on this one. The nations that I have mentioned before (Eurusea, Scolopendra, etc) were just nations that other nations would fear (judging from RP'ing, as well as military items created- that being Eurusea and GMC Military Arms for the most part), not coming from my own perspective. Euroslavia is a nation that deals with most things diplomatically, so ultimately, the biggest threat to our security would be a nation that is superior through diplomatic negotiations, using skilled alternatives to force me to switch my decision on specific things. I feel like I can handle a lot of nations out there without ever having to go to war (not trying to sound arrogant, but I've always been one to solve things through diplomacy, rather than war. Euroslavians aren't fond of war, at all.). Proof of that is the fact that Euroslavia has never really been in a large scale war (not counting my own civil war).

I'm rather happy that my nation hasn't been picked as one of the most dangerous nations, because that's not the image that I want to be portrayed for Euroslavia. If anything, I want it to be known that Euroslavia is a diplomatic power, because that is what I focus on the most.

The nations that we would be worried about, like Iuthia said, are the smaller nations armed with nuclear weaponry, that have an unstable leadership. A war between large nations (for the sake of comparison, let's say The Evil Overlord vs. Iuthia), would be devastating for both nations, with no nation really gaining anything over it (without the use of nukes). Larger nations should know this, and will probably do more to solve it diplomatically.

All power in this game is "perceived power." All players need "the right people" to roleplay with or it doesn't work. ;)

Indeed. You could say that NS is the ultimate constructivist international system.

Well, you could say that if you're an international relations geek, anyway.

Indeed. You could say that NS is the ultimate constructivist international system.

Well, you could say that if you're an international relations geek, anyway.

Guilty as charged. ;)

I would definitely have to agree with Iuthia on this one. The nations that I have mentioned before (Eurusea, Scolopendra, etc) were just nations that other nations would fear (judging from RP'ing, as well as military items created- that being Eurusea and GMC Military Arms for the most part), not coming from my own perspective. Euroslavia is a nation that deals with most things diplomatically, so ultimately, the biggest threat to our security would be a nation that is superior through diplomatic negotiations, using skilled alternatives to force me to switch my decision on specific things. I feel like I can handle a lot of nations out there without ever having to go to war (not trying to sound arrogant, but I've always been one to solve things through diplomacy, rather than war. Euroslavians aren't fond of war, at all.). Proof of that is the fact that Euroslavia has never really been in a large scale war (not counting my own civil war).

I'm rather happy that my nation hasn't been picked as one of the most dangerous nations, because that's not the image that I want to be portrayed for Euroslavia. If anything, I want it to be known that Euroslavia is a diplomatic power, because that is what I focus on the most.

The nations that we would be worried about, like Iuthia said, are the smaller nations armed with nuclear weaponry, that have an unstable leadership. A war between large nations (for the sake of comparison, let's say The Evil Overlord vs. Iuthia), would be devastating for both nations, with no nation really gaining anything over it (without the use of nukes). Larger nations should know this, and will probably do more to solve it diplomatically.

That could still be dangerous.

Why are so many people saying AMF? He is a godmodder. If one goes to war with him, he just calls in the numerous wanks he has lined up to attack. It's pathetic.

I can't believe so many of you all said AMF.Do you have proof of Godmodery? Links, etc?

Otherwise, your claim seems pretty baseless.

Do you have proof of Godmodery? Links, etc?

Otherwise, your claim seems pretty baseless.

NATO ring a bell? I was there. I saw it.

Why are so many people saying AMF? He is a godmodder. If one goes to war with him, he just calls in the numerous wanks he has lined up to attack. It's pathetic.

I can't believe so many of you all said AMF.


EXCUSE ME?

Please find some hard proof before slandering me. I can tell you'll be searching for a long time because there is none. I do not wank or godmod, and you make yourself look quite ridiculous accusing me as doing so.

NATO ring a bell? I was there. I saw it.

Yes, it's godmodding to be popular and have cronies... :rolleyes:

AMF doesn't necessarily want all of the little tagalong, nor is it godmodding to be part of an alliance. Believe it or not, people are allowed to have allies.

Alright. Imagining Yut as a group of PMT's... nope. They still kick your ass.

Doubt it. MT/PMT is my element, FT is theirs. Put either one in the others element that they will most likely lose. I fail to see what point you're trying to make.

NATO ring a bell? I was there. I saw it.

Your claims are still rather specious, you are one, exactly ONE person, the only one as a matter of fact, that has an issue with AMF.

AMF doesn't necessarily want all of the little tagalong

THANK YOU.

I acutally hate the idea of having people blindly rush to my side, because it makes people think that I cannot stand on my own.

I like having allies, yes. Do I like having newer nations that I've never heard of declare themselves my bootlickers? Hell no.

That could still be dangerous.

It'd be nice if you could explain yourself, rather than saying one sentence...

If you're referring to the comparison that I drew up, between The Evil Overlord and Iuthia, yea, of course it could still be dangerous, but both nations, being some of the largest nations in the game, know that a war between each other would result in serious losses for both nations. Knowing that, the likelyhood of them going to war against each other (besides the fact that Iuthia would probably never go to war against TEO ;)) is severely decreased. Of course, it's certainly a threat, but it's not nearly as likely to happen.

Euroslavia wouldn't perceive most nations around its size as nearly as much of a threat (compared to smaller nations who have less to lose), because of the fact that a war between the two nations would result in disaster for the two, in most cases.

THANK YOU.

I acutally hate the idea of having people blindly rush to my side, because it makes people think that I cannot stand on my own.

I like having allies, yes. Do I like having newer nations that I've never heard of declare themselves my bootlickers? Hell no.

You have RPing groupies...lol ;)

You have RPing groupies...lol ;)

And people say I have no life, at least I'm no ones groupie.

NATO ring a bell? I was there. I saw it.That's not proof of anything. You haven't proven your case, thus your case has no merit. And, need I remind you that I was once in NATO? If there were Godmoding, I would have seen it and called it out.

I've watched Automagfreek RP since I started in NationStates. He has not Godmoded or wanked since I've seen him. Come up with evidence or your claims will be dismissed as laughable.

It'd be nice if you could explain yourself, rather than saying one sentence...

If you're referring to the comparison that I drew up, between The Evil Overlord and Iuthia, yea, of course it could still be dangerous, but both nations, being some of the largest nations in the game, know that a war between each other would result in serious losses for both nations. Knowing that, the likelyhood of them going to war against each other (besides the fact that Iuthia would probably never go to war against TEO ;)) is severely decreased. Of course, it's certainly a threat, but it's not nearly as likely to happen.

Argh...making me explain things again. Diplomacy is helpful, but can be manipulated nicely to have any one country to agree to your ideals. Thus, by preventing a certain war, your diplomacy skills could have made a certain strife that could lead to much more dangerous war. That's my two cents, anyways.

THANK YOU.

I acutally hate the idea of having people blindly rush to my side, because it makes people think that I cannot stand on my own.

I like having allies, yes. Do I like having newer nations that I've never heard of declare themselves my bootlickers? Hell no.

You're welcome, I've never liked the tagalongs, it pissed me off to no end, you having command of everything (Which is your IC character, being a rude brute of a state, much like Krieg). The fact you being an IC "rawr" character wasn't the problem, the issue was that whenever you said anything, no matter how ridiculous or wrong, roughly half a dozen NATO groupies would be on the scene lending their blind support.

Truth be told, I'm still a little ticked I'm not the one who gets to land on AMF shores and finally have a good crack at ya. But then again, Crimmond should be an equally fun opponent, 'tis going to be epic.

P.S By the way, is the Praeto-AMF conflict going to be your last RP? I've heard rumours that it is.

Argh...making me explain things again. Diplomacy is helpful, but can be manipulated nicely to have any one country to agree to your ideals. Thus, by preventing a certain war, your diplomacy skills could have made a certain strife that could lead to much more dangerous war. That's my two cents, anyways.

Dangerous war? my mom told me all wars were dangerous, LOL!

And what is a dangerous nation?

How about Dark Terror as most dangerous, he's a special case I know but then he goes to war for no reason at all. DT doesnt exist no more, but Whenever I saw him i saw a warmongering lunatic.

AMF may be creul during war, having military terrorism as its main hobby but if you dont attack him, nothings gonna happen.

Belem is more dangerous than AMF, but I dont think everyone would agree with the godmodding aspect.

So who's left? maybe Guffingford? The Merchant Guilds could run for candidate. I probably forgot some candidates, so be nice and help me where you can...

Argh...making me explain things again. Diplomacy is helpful, but can be manipulated nicely to have any one country to agree to your ideals. Thus, by preventing a certain war, your diplomacy skills could have made a certain strife that could lead to much more dangerous war. That's my two cents, anyways.

I definitely agree in that aspect. Diplomacy is just as deadly as war, in the fact that you can use it to manipulate other nations into doing your bidding. I prefer the behind the scenes work, rather than doing things up front. ;)

This is actually a hard one for me since I'm analyzing it from the point of view of who can do the most damage to me. It isn't to say I'm naming the nation in a general spectrum - the nation would need a motive to attack me; or else, simply, the guy isn't dangerous, because he has no reason to be.

With those prerequisites in mind, I would say that the most dangerous nation, concerning the damage he/she could do to me, would be SafeHaven2. We are nominally allies, but my allies and I like to attack each other as well, because we can have a fun time doing it. SafeHaven2, for example, is going to attack me soon enough for this Hellfire scenario.

I chose SH2 simply because he's the strongest nation that borders me. Meaning, he doesn't need a fleet, he doesn't need a strong army, all he needs to do is pound through my border and suprise me, and he has me in check. Whether or not he would ultimately win, I couldn't say. I would say no - but I always say no, and you can't take my word for it until you see it - I guess we'll see in a Passion Play.

But that's my choice.

I like to think I'm pretty dangerous to the FT community, sice I'm designed to counter the three most common tech bases in use.

Dangerous war? my mom told me all wars were dangerous, LOL!

And what is a dangerous nation?

How about Dark Terror as most dangerous, he's a special case I know but then he goes to war for no reason at all. DT doesnt exist no more, but Whenever I saw him i saw a warmongering lunatic.

AMF may be creul during war, having military terrorism as its main hobby but if you dont attack him, nothings gonna happen.

Belem is more dangerous than AMF, but I dont think everyone would agree with the godmodding aspect.

So who's left? maybe Guffingford? The Merchant Guilds could run for candidate. I probably forgot some candidates, so be nice and help me where you can...

Some wars are not dangerous. One war was ended in three hours over a chess game by the leaders of both sides.

But if you want a hard example, Grenada is one. 12 Hours.

Some wars are not dangerous. One war was ended in three hours over a chess game by the leaders of both sides.

But if you want a hard example, Grenada is one. 12 Hours.
I call those incidents or skirmishes as most, they are not worthy of the name war.

I call those incidents or skirmishes as most, they are not worthy of the name war.

Yes, they aren't. But I stated 'more dangerous war'. I never said 'a dangerous war'. All wars that are worthy of the name 'war' are tied to some level of danger. So you're saying World War II is at the same extremity level as the War of 1812?

Yes, they aren't. But I stated 'more dangerous war'. I never said 'a dangerous war'. All wars that are worthy of the name 'war' are tied to some level of danger. So you're saying World War II is at the same extremity level as the War of 1812?

Its not about extremity, its about what it is. If bullets are flying around ones head, one can call it dangerous. The 22mm round that a Charleville musket fires is as deadly (in fact deadlier, although at a shorter range) as an 8mm Mauser round.

Then what is more dangerous? more rounds being fired? Some people who survived four years of World War one died within a year when WW two started. What do you call 'more dangerous'? From my understanding all wars are as dangerous, unless you mean that it becomes less dangerous by staying away from the fighting, but that doesnt change the danger created by said war.

Its not about extremity, its about what it is. If bullets are flying around ones head, one can call it dangerous. The 22mm round that a Charleville musket fires is as deadly (in fact deadlier, although at a shorter range) as an 8mm Mauser round.

Then what is more dangerous? more rounds being fired? Some people who survived four years of World War one died within a year when WW two started. What do you call 'more dangerous'? From my understanding all wars are as dangerous, unless you mean that it becomes less dangerous by staying away from the fighting, but that doesnt change the danger created by said war.

It's more dangerous during WW2 then WW1 because it was more catastrophic, more places were fought over, more casualties mounted. Deadlier weapons and more forces were amassed, and to top it off, a mass genocide was working in the scenes.

It's more dangerous during WW2 then WW1 because it was more catastrophic, more places were fought over, more casualties mounted. Deadlier weapons and more forces were amassed, and to top it off, a mass genocide was working in the scenes.

Being in the middle of a shootout infront of a bank is just as dangerous as being in the middle of the battle of Kursk imho.

Oh fuck, shootouts are regarded as skirmishes. Oh well, its a good example ... I guess

Being in the middle of a shootout infront of a bank is just as dangerous as being in the middle of the battle of Kursk imho.

Having been drawn on before, letme tell you, even a .22 pointing at your face looks like a cannon from your end.

Dead is dead, and you've got it right.

I like to think I'm pretty dangerous to the FT community, sice I'm designed to counter the three most common tech bases in use.

ST, SW, and...?

ST, SW, and...?

40k. In my opinion at least.

My tech base, is Kraven tech base, its all the stuff i like the best, with bits of 40k, dune and jin roh

What?

My tech base, is Kraven tech base, its all the stuff i like the best, with bits of 40k, dune and jin roh

I got the 40k and Dune, but what's jin roh?

I got the 40k and Dune, but what's jin roh?

http://www.jin-roh.net/

That should help you out.

http://www.jin-roh.net/

That should help you out.

I see now, interesting, it must be where TKC got the SD and CP.

Jin-Roh ruled.

Argh...making me explain things again. Diplomacy is helpful, but can be manipulated nicely to have any one country to agree to your ideals. Thus, by preventing a certain war, your diplomacy skills could have made a certain strife that could lead to much more dangerous war. That's my two cents, anyways.

Of course, sticking to the original example given, the point Euroslavia made was that the military power of many of the larger nations in Nationstates isn't actually as threatening as that of smaller more unstable nations that feel they have something to prove by driving themselves into war.

In pretty much all cases, nations like mine generally don't enter wars without damn good reasons; a situation rarely escalates between such nations because of the sheer danger involved and because we both understand that war simply isn't worth the cost in most cases and thus more peaceful and cost effective manners in which to solve the incident are found. Diplomacy is just a means to an end, a tool for politics, as is war. Most nations understand the benefits and costs of each tool and adapt them to their own ends... even Automagfreek uses diplomacy, even if it is mostly made of threats and demands. Getting back to the point, this isn't about diplomacy, but simply sense.

Most nations understand by now that in order for a war to happen, there needs to be reason... you don't see much more imperialism these days in the sense that one nation invades another to expand; it's a good way of being dog-pilled by nations simply aching for fight and a reason to help some poor victim. So, understanding this many larger nations simply don't provide this reason, or at least only do so when they are confident and have planned how to spin it to their own gains. So I won't concider nations like AMF to be a huge threat simply because I know with confidence that there is no reason for our two nations to go to war, and should they some how find a reason (such as being insulted or just wanting land) we can easily spin it to our favour and call upon our allies to make such a prospect look suicidal.

Unfortunately, there is a fair number of nations that simply don't see the bigger picture and completely ignore the deterrents, danger and cost of war. These nations I concider unstable and dangerous.

Oddly enough, we were more concerned with ViZion (and still are) then we are of Automagfreek. Reason being that Automagfreek generally sticks to a patern of behaviour, we generally know what they are doing and we know that while they are aggressive, militant and down right nasty in war; at least they have some kind of code of honor they stick to. Keeping out of their way (so long as they don't damage our interests) is all I really need to do to be safe from them. ViZion on the other hand, can only be ICly described by Iuthia as "A fucking nutjob" after the stunts they pulled off with their "unknown threats" and the nuclear war they almost started over a accident they created. We still don't know if their leadership is simply stupid or is actively trying to cover it's ulteriour motives in a bad way.

Most 'powerful' nations in Nationstates are stable and predictable... we don't have to worry about them because they are smart enough not to make rash and dangerous decisions without knowing the danger first, at least when they do something bad it's for a reason we can ultimately understand (and thus not provide them with. But when dealing with nations that are simply crazy, ignorant or out right suicidal then it's harder to deal with... it could just be a case of talking them out of it, preparing for the worst and hoping they don't start flinging nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat (and some nations will do that).


Getting back on point though, I haven't come across a situation where my nations diplomacy has ultimately come back to bite us on the ass in a much nastier way... sure some nations don't like Iuthia, but we're usually respectful enough in our dealings not to give any reason for anything more then a few insults. Maybe someone will try one day, but I doubt it, I don't give people the justification and without that I doubt they'll get much support and if there is one thing I've got, it's good allies.

Feh -- Automagfreek, you wank to hell and back. Think, those super-soldiers of yours? But then, who says I would be critisizing you for calling you a wanker.

Iuthia's a wanker, Sarzonia's a wanker, Der Angst is a wanker, I am a wanker. Point is, we're all wankers, and we're all wanking to some degree. The true difference of wank however, lies in the fact whether its accepted by the majority of players. If it's not accepted, then its just a godmode. If it is accepted, then its usually just a wanked-out idea / theory / existance. Hence yours wouldnt be considered a Godmode, by all means.

But in the meantime -- to Iuthia; that is exactly the reason I would consider you quite a powerful nation. Iuthia's power lies in the strings you can pull.

Feh -- Automagfreek, you wank to hell and back. Think, those super-soldiers of yours? But then, who says I would be critisizing you for calling you a wanker.

Iuthia's a wanker, Sarzonia's a wanker, Der Angst is a wanker, I am a wanker. Point is, we're all wankers, and we're all wanking to some degree. The true difference of wank however, lies in the fact whether its accepted by the majority of players. If it's not accepted, then its just a godmode. If it is accepted, then its usually just a wanked-out idea / theory / existance. Hence yours wouldnt be considered a Godmode, by all means.

But in the meantime -- to Iuthia; that is exactly the reason I would consider you quite a powerful nation. Iuthia's power lies in the strings you can pull.

You call it wank, I call it doing my own thing.

I never bought into the whole 'NS RP =WANK!' theory. Would you call a fantasy or sci-fi novel 'wank'? No, people would look at you as if you lost your mind. I consider NS just a stretched out 'novel' of sorts, hence why I don't care about weapon stats and so forth, only the story.

Because we all know several hundred people all RPing the same thing and never letting their creature ideas flow is better, and more entertaining.

As far as accusations of AMF = godmode (I'm entirely neutral, of course, and AMF knows my opinion of him, anyway) go, I'd suppose that such things could be based on the numbers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=310480) AMF pulled with about 2.5 billion people less than now.

And that's infantry only, a good portion of which seems to be as invulnerable to morale issues as machines.

While being cheaper than normal soldiers, what with not receiving a paycheck.

Oh, and not a full scale total war mobilisation, but standard :)

You call it wank, I call it doing my own thing.

I never bought into the whole 'NS RP =WANK!' theory. Would you call a fantasy or sci-fi novel 'wank'? No, people would look at you as if you lost your mind. I consider NS just a stretched out 'novel' of sorts, hence why I don't care about weapon stats and so forth, only the story.

Because we all know several hundred people all RPing the same thing and never letting their creature ideas flow is better, and more entertaining.
Seconded.

You call it wank, I call it doing my own thing.

I never bought into the whole 'NS RP =WANK!' theory. Would you call a fantasy or sci-fi novel 'wank'? No, people would look at you as if you lost your mind. I consider NS just a stretched out 'novel' of sorts, hence why I don't care about weapon stats and so forth, only the story.

Because we all know several hundred people all RPing the same thing and never letting their creature ideas flow is better, and more entertaining.

It seems that we are dancing around the same explanation -- from what I understand. In that sense, we both agree entirely. Done, and sorted. ;)

I see now, interesting, it must be where TKC got the SD and CP.

CP yes, SD are from Dune

Dune as in from westwood?

Dune as in from westwood?

Yes as well as the Book and the Film, but not the mini series, although it stayed more true to the book than the David Lynch film, the mini series was just lame...

I mean my most treasured soldiers, The Sardaukar, were perveted into something that looked like it had just jumped out of a william shakespear play... :(

if anyone will destoy my nation it will be me, most likely after the birth of the next heirs, causing a revolution so big that my nation will be compleatly destroyed and ill have to start a new nation even though i finaly reached 2bil+

Feh -- Automagfreek, you wank to hell and back. Think, those super-soldiers of yours? But then, who says I would be critisizing you for calling you a wanker.

I just rarely recognise Automagfreek as being a modern technology nation as much of their technology (looking at the super soldiers mainly) borders on future technology, as does the society in many respects, supporting Der Angst's statements about how crazy the numbers are...

But to be frank, I don't care about that and it's rather funny that if you pay attention to the majority of Automagfreek threads that it usually doesn't actually come up, like me he tends to reduce his technology level to suit a thread if he wants, but more importantly most of the threads are started by him and as such are subject to his own technology standards; people don't realise it much but alot of incidents surrounding his nation are pretty much started by others.

Furthermore, the number of people I've seen on International Incidents (and if I'm honest, Nationstates) who claim to be modern technology, but are actually more like a low level near-future tech is rather astounding. I will never accept something like the SD to be modern technology... not because it's impossible to build with todays technology, but simply because modern technology is defined at it's core as what we have now, not what we could have; which is reserved for near future technology.

For example, nations that want to RP a modern day war properly will stick entirely to modern day weapon systems and capabilities, they will change the names a bit but all the technology can be researched and verified with real life examples... things like the SD are possible but haven't actually been made and as such cannot be researched in same manner. I'm sure opinions will differ on this, but in my opinion, modern technology at it's core is like America vs. Russia or China or another America.

Anyways, I stray too far from the point, in anycase I agree with AU in the sense that many nations could easily be viewed as unrealistic, including my own. However, like AMF said, it's about story. But you know what, anyone who doesn't want to RP with AMF can outright ignore him or quit bitching about his "godmoding" because I'm rather tired of it personally... there are players I've ignored for over a year now because I am sick of their Godmodes, but I don't post on all the threads they are in to say "joo r teh godmodes". Give him a break and just ignore him for a change.

But in the meantime -- to Iuthia; that is exactly the reason I would consider you quite a powerful nation. Iuthia's power lies in the strings you can pull.

Thanks, not that I entirely agree though, I'm powerful in my own circles but those circles don't really do much in the end... I have influence in the NDA and a fair number of nations will listen when I say something, but they won't follow unless it suits their end and frankly I don't get involved enough anymore so I've lost some of what I used to have (whatever it was).

Nice speech.

I will say the parthians, I mean they are practically indestructable, all the nations who fight him, they get trounced by his total disregard for human life (attacking civilians intentonally, using chemical weapons and having a 250 century rule with ironically no rebellion). Also he encourages others to follow in his footsteps. I will have smashed him into pieces if he accepted a FT/MT war.

I will say the parthians, I mean they are practically indestructable, all the nations who fight him, they get trounced by his total disregard for human life (attacking civilians intentonally, using chemical weapons and having a 250 century rule with ironically no rebellion). Also he encourages others to follow in his footsteps. I will have smashed him into pieces if he accepted a FT/MT war.

Oh, really? Pity we can't test that theory now. ;)

Oh, really? Pity we can't test that theory now. ;)

Well, I'm sure it could be tested somehow...

Well, I'm sure it could be tested somehow...

Oh, we'll see about that. I'll prove you wrong...!!!

Oh, we'll see about that. I'll prove you wrong...!!!


Oh Yeah!?!?!?!?!

Oh Yeah!?!?!?!?!

Yeah!

This could be seen as spamming, but I will continue spreading my haphazard beliefs until I die....

Yeah!

This could be seen as spamming, but I will continue spreading my haphazard beliefs until I die....

Ok, just checking...

Ewww.... SPAM, mystery meat is nasty...

I will say the parthians, I mean they are practically indestructable, all the nations who fight him, they get trounced by his total disregard for human life (attacking civilians intentonally, using chemical weapons and having a 250 century rule with ironically no rebellion). Also he encourages others to follow in his footsteps. I will have smashed him into pieces if he accepted a FT/MT war.The Parthians is a Godmoder. He shouldn't be on anybody's list for that reason you listed (refusing to take losses EVER). Besides that, he's also tried to plan a terrorist attack without consulting the player ahead of time and coming up with one that isn't even remotely plausible (acting like there's zero security during a WAR for Chrissakes.)

I will say the parthians, I mean they are practically indestructable, all the nations who fight him, they get trounced by his total disregard for human life (attacking civilians intentonally, using chemical weapons and having a 250 century rule with ironically no rebellion). Also he encourages others to follow in his footsteps. I will have smashed him into pieces if he accepted a FT/MT war.
I've seen Parthians lose at least two wars. He has a large military but by no means is he "indestructable".

You should all fear me. I have a good economy, a great military, and my nation is availible.

Hello international ladies.

No, seriously.

I don't really fear any nation, then again I don't RP much.

Though fighting a Melkorian gravship fleet back when I was in APTO with my PMT military was scary as hell. Our region vs Melkor plus others... We shouldn't have freaked out that much in retrospect, but I really thought my nation was going to get pwned in teh face.

I've seen Parthians lose at least two wars. He has a large military but by no means is he "indestructable".

Ok, tell me which nations has opened a can of whoop ass upon The Parthians and I shall give them a 20 gun salute including you praetonia.

Ok, tell me which nations has opened a can of whoop ass upon The Parthians and I shall give them a 20 gun salute including you praetonia.


Prae and Sarz once did, though that war was later ignored. My weakness is naval combat, which they happen to excel at. I can't remember any others off the top of my head, though it might have been more of a stalemate, which occured a few times back last year.

Oh, and Sarz, instead of continuing to hold that one particular war that occured what, seven or eight months ago, perhaps you should review some of my more recent RPs. My skills back then were very poor, but have improved a lot I would say, and my desire to "win" sort of combined with desperation made it rather bad for you. For that I am more than willing to convey my apologies.

And Gyrobot, I am not, nor will I ever agree to an Ft/MT rp. That is standard operating procedure, not something I made up. Few if any MT nations will RP with FT nations in a military conflict. I'm sorry, but it never happens.

Ok, tell me which nations has opened a can of whoop ass upon The Parthians and I shall give them a 20 gun salute including you praetonia.
Macabees IIRC. Or was it MassPwnage? A few months ago they destroyed a large proportion of his naval force with minimal losses.]

Macabees IIRC. Or was it MassPwnage? A few months ago they destroyed a large proportion of his naval force with minimal losses.]

Ah, yea, MP used a pretty effective naval force to hit me pretty hard back in the Malgeria conflict, though like I said, I'm not by any standard a naval power. He did pull out of the conflict though thanks to a deal I stuck with him, but I would admit he did a great deal of damage.

Yea, but during that war MassPwnage took relatively little losses for what he took. I took relatively high losses, although not really considering the naval forces I had there - but it was more that MP really didn't take the losses he should have.

Yea, but during that war MassPwnage took relatively little losses for what he took. I took relatively high losses, although not really considering the naval forces I had there - but it was more that MP really didn't take the losses he should have.

Thats true. His CIWS ships seemed to trump even massive barrages of missiles. Sort of annoying at times, but I never really asked how he did it.

Ok Sarzonia and Praetonia and MP here is 20 gun salutes to you "hears the roar of rifles and cannons throughout the nation hitting some reserve"

Feh -- Automagfreek, you wank to hell and back. Think, those super-soldiers of yours? But then, who says I would be critisizing you for calling you a wanker.

Iuthia's a wanker, Sarzonia's a wanker, Der Angst is a wanker, I am a wanker. Point is, we're all wankers, and we're all wanking to some degree. The true difference of wank however, lies in the fact whether its accepted by the majority of players. If it's not accepted, then its just a godmode. If it is accepted, then its usually just a wanked-out idea / theory / existance. Hence yours wouldnt be considered a Godmode, by all means.I can see why AMF took umbrage to being described as a wanker. Hell, without further reading of this post, I was taking exception to being described as a wanker. Considering some of the people you mentioned in this post and what I read as the context, it looks like what we Americans might describe as a "back handed compliment," especially since I'm the only '04 country you mentioned.

I tend to slam people less for wank if they are more concerned with telling a story than in making people accept their OMFG!TehR0XorzzzZ technology. Technology certainly plays a role; you're not going to beat an Iowa-class battleship with HMS Victory (at least not Nelson's ship from Trafalgar). But it's not, nor should it be the be-all and end-all to a RP.

Technology certainly plays a role; you're not going to beat an Iowa-class battleship with HMS Victory (at least not Nelson's ship from Trafalgar). But it's not, nor should it be the be-all and end-all to a RP.

Tell that to Civ III.

Iuthia's a wanker, Sarzonia's a wanker, Der Angst is a wanker, I am a wanker. Point is, we're all wankers, and we're all wanking to some degree. The true difference of wank however, lies in the fact whether its accepted by the majority of players. If it's not accepted, then its just a godmode. If it is accepted, then its usually just a wanked-out idea / theory / existance. Hence yours wouldnt be considered a Godmode, by all means.

I wish you people would find a new word for that. The image I got when reading this paragraph was simply... unspeakable... :(

That suggestion just made me think of the following 60's british kid show conversation. They were ostensibly talking about playing guitar.

"Yes sir, I love plucking! I do it all the time, how about you?"

"I pluck whenever I can!"

"I'm a REAL plucker!"

"I pluck with my friends, and I'll even pluck by myself if I have to!"

"LETS PLUCK!"

Automagfreek.

Always respected the guy, Always will. Love his Role Plays back in the past, when I was Nodea Rudav. Still do today.

But, recently, I learned his weakness in Role Plays...and I shall tell no one! Muahahaha!

Anywho, either way, Automagfreek's at the top of my list.

Some others of past and present are:
Steel Butterfly, Austar Union, and one of the mods....oh my God...who was she....She had a sword....arg! I'll edit later.

To be honest though, why are we even talking about who's dangerous?
Who cares about being dangerous when what we really should care about is RP quality?

You can stockpile nuclear weapons and carpet nuke everyone you see. That might substantially increase your virtual bodycount and give you bragging rights, but it would make you no fun to RP with. It's better to RP as nation that constantly loses well, than to RP a "powerful" nation poorly. I would honestly have more respect for the latter nation, because at least he/she is trying to tell a story, rather than try to fill some empty void in their pathetic lives by beating up on nations in NS.

Just my 2 cents.

Yup... I haven't beaten up on any country for a looong time. O_o

But I have lots of WMD.

I used to have ridiculous amounts of NBC weapons; when Haven was in big turmoil I had over twenty-four gigatons worth of nuclear yield on standby on just about every platform imaginable.

I was formerly known for my navy and my mass whoreage of submarines... I'm going back to that. Big downsizes for my WMD forces.

No enemy has ever set foot upon Taldaan!

Of course, thats because my number of war RPs is about... three at most. I generally stay out of wars due to something I call "Death By Acronym". At the first sight of an AMRAAM, DIAL, or OMGWTFPWNAGE, I immediately lose entire armies, air wings, or fleets to avoid being tagged as a godmodder. Sad, but true.

Automagfreek.

Always respected the guy, Always will. Love his Role Plays back in the past, when I was Nodea Rudav. Still do today.

But, recently, I learned his weakness in Role Plays...and I shall tell no one! Muahahaha!

Anywho, either way, Automagfreek's at the top of my list.

Some others of past and present are:
Steel Butterfly, Austar Union, and one of the mods....oh my God...who was she....She had a sword....arg! I'll edit later.
Mecmancar?

Mecmancar?Gaeltach (sp?). ;)

Why is Automagfreek special? He's a nation like you or me. Granted he's never really lost a war, and he has an obcenely large Army, but he's not Jesus! I say this because there seems to be a cult around AMF, and it makes me cringe because I've talked to the guy... he's normal! Bah! And yes I am slightly jealous. ;)

Most dangerous country? Hard to say...

I'd have to say that this is the first time I've ever heard of AMF. (Not joking either) I think I've seen a thread every now and then saying: ATTN AMF! or something, but I always ignored them.

But the one guy who really scares the shit out of me, is Chronosia. That guy is so into Warhammer 40k Chaos, that I have no doubts that he could somehow summon a Bloodthirster of Khorne to appear through your computer screen. Seriously.

That and an old rper who isn't around much more, Parlim. I know him in real life, and he can really pick you down to his level (hes kinda short) and be a real hard ass to beat. Of course his large military and pop. doesn't help either.

Some of the nations I respect the most would be Aust (mi'ole budy), we've rped back and forth for a while, and he has a member of his royal family married to mine. Then there is Unified Sith, a very dedicated and skilled SWs rp'er and player.

I myself am a writer in RL, except I mostly stick to writing fantasy novels, although I have been told I'm a pretty good rp'er. Plus I have about 8 years of D&D playing under my belt as well. :)

And of course no mention of TIOR here, but hey! I was never Mr. War anyway.

Wow; Thanks Thrashia :D I guarantee that in thanks, you shall only have a Keeper of Secrets summoned through your screen ;)

Like the siggy? :P

Why is Automagfreek special? He's a nation like you or me. Granted he's never really lost a war, and he has an obcenely large Army, but he's not Jesus! I say this because there seems to be a cult around AMF, and it makes me cringe because I've talked to the guy... he's normal! Bah! And yes I am slightly jealous. ;)

Most dangerous country? Hard to say...

OOC: Hmm...don't remember talking to you, unless you have another nation.

The whole 'cult' thing is something I never actually asked for, it more or less just happened. I can't say that it isn't nice to have people pay attention to your RPs, but sometimes it can be a pain when you have 15 replies in a thread and 12 of them are [TAG]'s.

There is one thing that does piss me off though: people who against others being (for lack of a better word) 'fanboys' of my work. I have actually lost a large reader base because people just don't want to get involved with me for fear of being flamed and called a 'fuckin' AMF bootlicker' (and I'm open to RPing with almost anyone). Because of this a lot of my more recent RP's have not had the kind of 'publicity' as the ones in the past. Sort of disappointing when you spend hours working on posts just to have the thread drift to the bottom of the forum.

But anyways....yeah, I'm normal...for the most part. ;)

Some of the nations I respect the most would be Aust (mi'ole budy), we've rped back and forth for a while, and he has a member of his royal family married to mine.
Thanks Thrash, when are you going to be back on the Princess thread?

And AMF, jsut note I'm not against you OOCly: and I don't hate your fanboys, it is kinda annoying when you get a situation like the one Findans found himself in, He declares war (Justifiably) and gets 3 pages of guys telling him he's a n00b and that he's going to lose. They don't even know the guy!

AMF hands down, the guy just commands respect.

*bows modestly to Aust, ducks as the Keeper of Secrets flys through the screen*

I know what you mean Aust. I will be returning to it in a few minutes actually I was simply letting you and Turkimen having time with Federian and James. I have also brought myself into the war between Findan and AMF, because you are in it, and your my ally, its my obligation.

And AMF, jsut note I'm not against you OOCly: and I don't hate your fanboys, it is kinda annoying when you get a situation like the one Findans found himself in, He declares war (Justifiably) and gets 3 pages of guys telling him he's a n00b and that he's going to lose. They don't even know the guy!That really pissed me off and I'm not even involved in that RP.

I was tempted to either start funnelling supplies to Findan or get involved just to keep him from getting slaughtered, then I was tempted to post asking people to back off OOCly from Findan. It would have been like the whole Feline Catfish situation, only I would have had to fill the AMF role.

Behaving prattishly OOC is a real quick way to lose respect around here.

Btw, as for torpedoes, there's this little thing called supercav CIWS.It seems to me supercav CIWS would be easy to defeat, because it deafens the ship using it. Launch a torpedo at the enemy ship, wait a few moments, then launch another. The ship won't hear the second, and won't be able to do anything about it.EXCUSE ME?

Please find some hard proof before slandering me. I can tell you'll be searching for a long time because there is none. I do not wank or godmod, and you make yourself look quite ridiculous accusing me as doing so.Do you mean you do not currently, or you never have? I don't know much about your current RPing or military, but IIRC there've been times you've left the realms of possibility and you've openly admitted it ('though I can't find the particular post I have in mind...It was in a 'What do you think about me?' poll you made). There are also things that are less obviously unrealistic, but could also be considered godmodes, such as superbattleships, super soldiers, and huge numbers of soldiers. Regardless, his post wasn't slander.one of the mods....oh my God...who was she....She had a sword....arg! I'll edit later.Reploid Productions?Mecmancar?Menelmacar?

Do you mean you do not currently, or you never have? I don't know much about your current RPing or military, but IIRC there've been times you've left the realms of possibility and you've openly admitted it ('though I can't find the particular post I have in mind...It was in a 'What do you think about me?' poll you made). There are also things that are less obviously unrealistic, but could also be considered godmodes, such as superbattleships, super soldiers, and huge numbers of soldiers. Regardless, his post wasn't slander.More like libel if it isn't true since this is a written medium and slander refers to spoken media.

It seems to me from the perspective of someone who will be here for 18 months as of Thursday that a lot of people still want to harp on AMF for actions he took long before I got here. Now, anyone who knows me OOCly knows I do not forgive easily (read: Hardly ever), but to continue sniping at someone for actions of long, long ago playing a game is sheer pointlessness.

I haven't seen AMF's early days, but from what I've been told, his early posts weren't any great shakes. But I look at the Ethnic Cleansing RP that Holy Panooly did (which was my first major RP with established players) and I look at some of my more recent work and there's (IMO) a huge difference in my RP ability. Back then, I wasn't very sure of myself as a player. Now, I feel more comfortable in this environment. That makes a major difference.

For anyone who is considered at least a good RPer, if not one of the greats, the key to staying that way is to continue to strive for improvement. As soon as you feel satisfied that you've done all there is to do as a RPer, you start getting worse. It's the same way with anything in life. I had to learn that lesson the hard way when I was a reporter and I started to get too full of myself in that field. When I started to humble myself once again and listen and strive to get better, my experience in the job got more rewarding.

And finally, slagging on people because they happen to be fans of AMF's work or being dismissive of AMF because he has "bootlickers" is just plain silly in my mind. So what he has fans and so what he has allies? It's been well-documented that he hasn't asked for people to dogpile the crap out of anyone who dares look at Damien the wrong way, and it's now been established that he doesn't want that. From the perspective of another player, that's just plain tiresome to read.

*bows modestly to Aust, ducks as the Keeper of Secrets flys through the screen*

I know what you mean Aust. I will be returning to it in a few minutes actually I was simply letting you and Turkimen having time with Federian and James. I have also brought myself into the war between Findan and AMF, because you are in it, and your my ally, its my obligation.

Great, yet anther person I'll have to fight.

Ah well, bring it on I say....

*notes he is now fighting against 5 people*

Great, yet anther person I'll have to fight.

Ah well, bring it on I say....

*notes he is now fighting against 5 people*

That's quite the coalition against you, AMF. What will happen now?

That's quite the coalition against you, AMF. What will happen now?

They get sent to the hurt locker. :p

Posted by AMF
They get sent to the hurt locker.

Or you finally get a bloody nose.

They get sent to the hurt locker. :p

I see...*strokes beard, not realizing that a beard has not grown yet* :(

Or you finally get a bloody nose.


LOL, I can tell you've never heard of me. ;)

Posted by AMF
LOL, I can tell you've never heard of me.

Or is it that I have, and am simply confident?

I think the thread I was thinking of was either lost in a forum purge or was one of the threads that was supposedly imported to Jolt but didn't bring anything other than its title with it...(I think in it AMF's RPing was referred to as "weird fantasy", and the search function can't find that phrase in any threads created by AMF.)
It seems to me from the perspective of someone who will be here for 18 months as of Thursday that a lot of people still want to harp on AMF for actions he took long before I got here. Now, anyone who knows me OOCly knows I do not forgive easily (read: Hardly ever), but to continue sniping at someone for actions of long, long ago playing a game is sheer pointlessness.I hadn't thought the thread was that old, but it looks like it was, at least(?), just a few months newer than your nation. I've made a point of not mentioning possibly embarrassing things I remember from nations' pasts, though.

Is someone getting cocky, AMF? Well...I guess I get cocky too.

Is someone getting cocky, AMF? Well...I guess I get cocky too.


Nope, just very confident in my nation, its leader, and military.

I tend to slam people less for wank if they are more concerned with telling a story than in making people accept their OMFG!TehR0XorzzzZ technology.

Aye. Wank is usually acceptable when its in the form of furthering or continuing a particular theme or storyplot, rather than when someone just wants to force their OMG SUPERIORITY above everyone else. Hence why I have little trouble in acknowledging Automag's "wanked-out" Sentinals. It makes perfect sense regarding his theme and storyplots for these soldiers to be much more capable than the average trained human. On other otherhand, if The Fedral Union were to create his own version of "Sentinals", we would all know he's only looking FOR military dominance... since his theme (of Star Trek... >_>. How dull -_-) and plots within are hardly fitting.

In the meantime, as for the comments of Automag NOT being Jesus. How odd would it be now, if he were? o_O

What about in terms of special/covert operations?

I'm pretty good at RP'ing a Delta-Force kind of thing.