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China acquired Hong Kong and Macao in Great War 2, so these should be added to China's list (or formally annexed into China).

You forgot to add Tunisia to Italy.

Thanks guys, I'll make all the alterations.

Malkyer: Yes, it seems I got a bit carried away in adding South Africa's new territories, things should be fixed soon.

Will make other changes as requested.

China acquired Hong Kong and Macao in Great War 2, so these should be added to China's list (or formally annexed into China).

I thought that one of the treaty terms was to return all captured territory to the LTA. Or am I missing something?

Nice Map, and good work on the Alignments.

As always, I've got some comments. China isn't actually Warsaw Pact - it's just an ordinary Mutual Defense Treaty, as I recall, just like we have with the Middle Eastern Union. Yugoslavia, however, is a member of the Warsaw Pact (which consists, for the record, of the Soviet Union - aka the Big Red Menace - plus Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia - Denmark withdrew quietly just before the Second Great War).

Yugoslavia is split into three countries on that map, by the way. The borders between Slovenia/Croatia/Bosnia, Serbia/Montenegro, and Macedonia should properly be erased.

The far eastern parts of India and Bangladesh are still British pink. And speaking of British pink, Afghanistan (I know) and Burma (I'm pretty sure) should both be clear of it, as should Ethiopia. Ethiopia is a British ally, not a colony, and Afghanistan and Burma were both granted independence during GW II.

And Denmark should be independent, rather than that pretty Red. The curse of the moral high ground.

Thanks VP

I forgot about a load of stuff that happened during GWII, i'll fix them right away. (I can't imagine how I forgot Afghanistan and Denmark after the amount of fuss kicked up over them!).

Expect a new map later tonight my time (GMT), or tomorrow.

The list will be updated before then.

OK, I changed the map around and added some of my own changes (I found some Canadian Islands that I forgot to change from pink, I also lightened India up in tone to make it look less like the Big Red Menace).

If someone could please find me the terms of the treaty signed after GWII i'd be very grateful. Forum search doesn't appear to be working for me and i'd like to know where I stand on Hong Kong. I'm pretty sure it stated that all pre-war LTA owned territory was to be returned but i'm not sure. Thanks for any help.

This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9901626&postcount=104) is what we all signed.

I may have forgot to mention on the list that the Azores and Madeira are now American, I think. Or maybe Moroccan.

The Treaty doesn't mention Hong Kong. I think you and Sharina will probably have to negotiate that IC.

Thanks VP, will do. I'll change the list as well when I get a chance.

It'd probably be a good issue to take up in the League, actually.

And again, awesome job on the Map. Man, I do look scary, don't I?

*pipes up in a mouse like squeak*

Yeah me too!

And the Azores belong to the Portuguese... for now...

Parthini']*pipes up in a mouse like squeak*

Yeah me too!


Yes, little comrade, you too look quite scary . . .

Here's where GB said that Hong Kong and Macao is Chinese and that China won't return them.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9942225&postcount=64

Map and list in process of updating in relation to this info, which I must have missed before. Thanks for the post Sharina.

The map (and list) should be of the current situation now.

Indeed The Union looks suitably red and scary and has the support of all those little red dots, plus pacts with China and MEU (and Brazil?). Though lined up with all the ex-British colonies, as well as Britain, Colombia, Argentina, Italy etc. unfortuantely it can't be long before WWIII breaks out.

Hopefully our WW3 will earn the title "The War to End All Wars" because, hopefully, one side will be a smoking pile of rubble, saying "j00 hax0rz!" The other side will simply say "pwned n00b." And Australia will still be saying "WTF mates?"

(Yes, that old cartoon (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php) was referenced)

Clipperton Island should be under Mexico because they took it from France in 1897. During the Second Great War the U.S. thought they took over a French island. Clipperton Island was given back to the French in 1935 in RL. So I should have Clipperton Island.

France has now rejoined the Pact.

Clipperton Island should be under Mexico because they took it from France in 1897. During the Second Great War the U.S. thought they took over a French island. Clipperton Island was given back to the French in 1935 in RL. So I should have Clipperton Island.

the US took Clipperton Island in 1924 during the 2nd Great War, it was unoccupied at the time and the US claims soveriegnity. If Mexico thinks it wants it back, then perhaps discussions are in order. However, Mexico has not claimed it during the course of this game, including when we had a Mexican player.

Also, provide your source.

France has now rejoined the Pact.

thus stimulating a massive defense budget in the US Congress that year as that specifically violates the treaty ending the 2nd Great War

thus stimulating a massive defense budget in the US Congress that year as that specifically violates the treaty ending the 2nd Great War

The revision to the League of Nations' charter allows France to make such changes legally. The USA is a member of the organization so i think they should follow the part of the charter that gives nations full freedom to make their own foreign policy.

The revision to the League of Nations' charter allows France to make such changes legally. The USA is a member of the organization so i think they should follow the part of the charter that gives nations full freedom to make their own foreign policy.
Yeah, it was pretty slick actually how they slipped that in. I didn't even catch the implications of that amendment until the French approached the Union to have their membership in the Pact restored.

Yeah, it was pretty slick actually how they slipped that in. I didn't even catch the implications of that amendment until the French approached the Union to have their membership in the Pact restored.

The United States does not believe the League of Nations treaty supercedes existing treaties, especially the very same treaty that created the League of Nations. If so, the United States will be forced to reexamine its membership in the League, and its freedom of action.

The United States strongly protests the violation of the peace treaty ending the 2nd Great War by France.

GB here is the link to where they say Clipperton Island is owned by Mexico.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ip.html

GB here is the link to where they say Clipperton Island is owned by Mexico.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ip.html

its yours then... not that its worth much

The French governemnt, after some consultation and debate, has issued a statement to the effect that they will withdraw from the Pact again if the idea of a nation exhibiting its soverign rights so upsets the United States that it would wthdraw from the League of Nations. It also notes that the United States seems to be afraid of a nation that could not possibly attack the United States even if it wanted to.

However, the French government has contacted the Soviet and other Pact governments about the possibility of trade agreements.

OK, Clipperton Island will be added to Mexico's list. Much too small to see on the map though. No changes wil be made to the French status in line with current affairs.

incidently, if you have the time. Australia has listed as posessions Papua (which i believe is the southeast of the island, and a number of island chains that show up on the map like the Bismark Archipeligo, New Caledonia, and Coral Sea Islands. If the color got changed from British pink to my blue that would be awesome.

Ah yes I forgot about those sorry. Will change them over at the next update. Thanks for letting me know.

Sakhalin has been returned to Russia, and Russia has also taken over the Kurils.

OK, new changes wil be added now that the war is over.

Am I correct in believing the following?:

Tibet--->independent
Manchuria--->ind.
Mongolia--->ind.
Indo-China--->Vietnam (Asian Union thing)
Hainan--->Japan

OK, new changes wil be added now that the war is over.

Am I correct in believing the following?:

Tibet--->independent
Manchuria--->ind.
Mongolia--->ind.
Indo-China--->Vietnam (Asian Union thing)
Hainan--->Japan

forgot Sinkiang, now called East Turkistan (independent)

Thanks GB, the next edition of the map will be up shortly. I trust you guys will check it out as usual in case there are any glaring errors?!

The new map is now up, enjoy...

The new map is now up, enjoy...

Iceland owns Greenland and it is in the LTA, as is Portugal and Morocco.

The new map is now up, enjoy...
Actually, the borders for the newly-independent states of the former Chinese Empire are dreadfully inaccurate (as are the internal borders of the Union, which I've finally gotten around to drawing). I'll post a link to a more accurate map when I get home tonight. It will go up on the First Post of the Main Thread. I'll try to draw accurate internal borders for the MEU, as well.

I tried to follow the contemporary boundaries of Tibet, Manchuria etc. but the only maps that I could find were vague and stated that the boundaries were disputed. The Union internal boundaries are the modern day ones which I have never had time to remove. I'd appreciate any more accurate map which you can provide.

GB, I'll amke your changes shortly.

Yeah.... After having tons of fun (not really) and after giving up on now occupied Denmark I have finally realized that E20 is the best out there. Yes I got a little better (but not much) at RPing over in AMW* but I am looking for something a little more active (no offense to anyone from AMW). So I have been looking around for the sign up thread but it has eluded me and I have finally decided to come to this thread and ask (in all humbleness) to be Austria. Since I think it is just a defeated little republic and unlike me with Denmark I have done research (which would've killed me in my previous experience).

*Look at sig for some more of my latest stuff

Well unles of course Austria is taken.

Methinks Austria is part of Germany which in turn is part of the Union.

Methinks Austria is part of Germany which in turn is part of the Union.


Even better! More RP stuff, little state and a big country pushing it around.

Algeria I believe is part of the LTA

Algeria I believe is part of the LTA

yes it is, but I wanted to make sure that you were still in it

yes it is, but I wanted to make sure that you were still in it

Well, if there are no objections, then I am

Even better! More RP stuff, little state and a big country pushing it around.
Okay you're the Austrian independence movement. Welcome to Siberia, you two.

Even better! More RP stuff, little state and a big country pushing it around.
Righto...we already give someone in this rp, a second chance and they blew it...I highly doubt we would give another person a second chance, a trail period maybe...if you can prove to us , that you won't mess up like last time maybe. I said rp as Siam for sometime and we'll be able to jugde if you have learn anything and won't mess up like last time..but its up to the Mods really.

World Map (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/hrstrovokia/map1940projected.jpg), showing (fairly) accurate internal borders of the SPCU and MEU, and international borders for the successor states of the former Greater Chinese Empire.

Photobucket shrunk it a little, and since I used an older version of your map originally, the Soviet Union is labelled "Warsaw Pact," and the cool little stars indicating alliances aren't there (for the record, Manchuria and Mongolia are both Warsaw Pact now), but maybe you can fix that, eh?

Thanks again for your contributions and hard work. I know I appreciate it.

If you guys want I can make maps for you

OK, a few changes to be made to the map.

GB/Abassia I will put a little blue star/circle on Algeria in the next update (which is imminent).

Moorington, if you still want to rejoin then I suggest you take it over to the main thread (unless you already have, I haven't checked yet). This thread is just for map making stuff.

VP, thanks for the map, i'll make border changes shortly. I'll also spread your evil red influence onto Machuria and Mongolia ;) . Oh and don't worry about the shrinkage, i'll work around it. This was the main reason that I switched the original map host from Photobucket to Photojerk, which seems to offer the same service at the same cost (free) with a bigger bandwidth and bigger photo size and space. It's not that I work for them or anything but they seem to be pretty good.

Ato-Sara, you can make maps if you want. Though I can't see the point of another world map, but perhaps you could do more detailed maps. Particularly of areas where wars or diplomatic problems are likely. For example South East Asia or Europe or whatever.

Oh and thanks for the praise guys. Your appreciation is what I do this for!

OK the new map's up now.

VP I tried to follow the map you gave me as close as I could and this is the best that I could do for the moment (no time to make it exact yet) but i can give it another go on Sunday when i'll have abit of time to spend on it. Hope this'll do until then!

Algeria is now shown as an LTA member.

I have been looking around for the sign up thread

.......

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424002

What do you think about this map?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/AsiaE20.png

NICE.

Both of you.

Quibble about Central Asia, though. One is my screwup - the E20 Soviet republic of Turkestan has a northern border that's different from what's on the map that I put up; I'll try to fix it, but it's a not a big deal. The other quibble is that there shouldn't be any internal borders to Soviet Turkestan (officially, the "National Democratic Republic of Turkestan"), so those little lines around Uzbekistan, Tadzhikistan, and Turkmenistan should all go away.

Yes. We manipulated the plebiscites. The Americans do it too, so nyah.

Good work Ato-Sara, i'll put a link to your map on the front page. Unless you have any objections?

OK, new maps up. Unfortunately over the Christmas period I appear to have forgotten anything that any of you guys may have asked me to include that wasn't posted here. The only changes that I have made is to grant Egypt independence and to Anglicise (!) Southern Madagascar. If anything else needs doing let me know.

suppose I should just be the first of many people to get my claims in in the aftermath of this mess. Australia should extend to include New Zealand, all of New Guinea, and all the islands like the solomons in between (I think). Thanks.

2 Things:

#1 Britain, depending on whats gone on here, should own Bahrain, or at least has some control over it.

#2 I will, in all likelihood, RP the seccession of Jordan from the MEU. Depending on what goes on, it would likely consist of the RL Jordan and West Bank.

2 Things:

#1 Britain, depending on whats gone on here, should own Bahrain, or at least has some control over it.

#2 I will, in all likelihood, RP the seccession of Jordan from the MEU. Depending on what goes on, it would likely consist of the RL Jordan and West Bank.


Go check the WWIII thread for nations that have been created after the break up of the MEU.

I would wait to update this thread for a bit....

Yeah that's what I was thinking. There's still a lot of discussion to go on in relation to new territories etc.

Shouldn't we update this now?

Yeah, I've been thinking about it for a while. I'll get a new map up by the end of tomorrow and then you guys can inform me of any mistakes on it and whatever...

Ive got a map of Asia nearly ready, but I need to know who owns waht in the middle east amd centeral asia.

Syria: Syria and Lebanon
Palestine: Modern Israel+Palestine
For the rest its best to check the NPC thread

OK, I am just getting around to starting on the new map. It's a big undertaking now, but I reckong I can get it done in a few days time.

Thanks for you help chaps.

I may have got it done sooner if there were 8 days in a week...

OK, I am just getting around to starting on the new map. It's a big undertaking now, but I reckong I can get it done in a few days time.

Thanks for you help chaps.

I may have got it done sooner if there were 8 days in a week...

I'm up for a 8 day week only if we get a 3 day long weekend instead of 2 days. :p

A few queries regarding current territories:

Did China reclaim East Turkestan (Uyghuristan), Manchuria and Mongolia?
What is the current status of Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Azerbajin, Kazakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgistan, Tajikistan. I believe most of them are still part of Russi, is this correct?
What is the current state of Iraq (is Basra still an independent entity?)?
Does Japan still own the Chinese islands?

Sorry for the batch of questions, but once i have got the answers I can finish the map and repost it.

A few queries regarding current territories:

Did China reclaim East Turkestan (Uyghuristan), Manchuria and Mongolia?
What is the current status of Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Azerbajin, Kazakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgistan, Tajikistan. I believe most of them are still part of Russi, is this correct?
What is the current state of Iraq (is Basra still an independent entity?)?
Does Japan still own the Chinese islands?

Sorry for the batch of questions, but once i have got the answers I can finish the map and repost it.

I believe China only reclaimed Manchuria and Mongolia, as well as Hainan and Taiwan. The SU has Estonia and Poland has Lithuania and Latvia. Basra should be independent but as for all the "-stan" nations, I'm not sure. For some reason I thought they had come together to form the Central Asia something or other. (somebody correct me if I am wrong on this)

A few queries regarding current territories:

Did China reclaim East Turkestan (Uyghuristan), Manchuria and Mongolia?
What is the current status of Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Azerbajin, Kazakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgistan, Tajikistan. I believe most of them are still part of Russi, is this correct?
What is the current state of Iraq (is Basra still an independent entity?)?
Does Japan still own the Chinese islands?

Sorry for the batch of questions, but once i have got the answers I can finish the map and repost it.

Iraq consists of Basra, Baghdad and part of Kurdistan. Armenia is separate while Georgia and Azerbaijian are united. The Stans are one, except for East Turkistan which is independant. Belarus is part of Russia.

Parthini']Iraq consists of Basra, Baghdad and part of Kurdistan. Armenia is separate while Georgia and Azerbaijian are united. The Stans are one, except for East Turkistan which is independant. Belarus is part of Russia.

Basra, Baghdad and Kurdistan are all seperate countries
Belarus is indeed part of Russian

Sinkkiang is Kashgaria (East Turkistan)

Armenia and Georgia are united, Azerbajain is seperate

modern day Mongolia is part of China at the moment (and not happy about it)

Korea owns Vladivostok, Japan the Kuriles, but Russia has Sakkalin

the Central Asian 'stans make up the Central Asian Republic

Right, a new map is now up. Hopefully should be alrgely correct but as usual if there's any problems with it let me know here so that I can correct them as soon as possible. The list on the front page remains hopelessly out of date and I think that I may as well delete it. Unless there's any objections to it.

1) Northern and Southern Rhodesia are both South Africa territories, as is Nyasaland (Malawi).

2) This isn't really important, but could you include the internal borders within South African territory, since only Southwest Africa was formally incorporated into the Union, and the rest remain colonial trusts or protectorates.

Saudi Arabia is in two parts, Western Arabia (Mecca, Medina, Jeddah, Coastline) and Saudi Arabia (the rest) and is not a part of Oman.

Also, Germany looks really funked up. It's 1914 Germany minus Memel, Schleswig-Holstein and Alsace-Lorraine, and plus Sudentenland and Austria.

BTW, I'm considering making a map of Europe and the Middle East since those areas are detailed and there is also an out of date Asia Map. If I do any progress, I'll send it your way.

Not sure if this is a problem, but Korea is still the North and South of our timeline. Also, I now have Vladivostok.

Parthini']Saudi Arabia is in two parts, Western Arabia (Mecca, Medina, Jeddah, Coastline) and Saudi Arabia (the rest) and is not a part of Oman.

Also, Germany looks really funked up. It's 1914 Germany minus Memel, Schleswig-Holstein and Alsace-Lorraine, and plus Sudentenland and Austria.

BTW, I'm considering making a map of Europe and the Middle East since those areas are detailed and there is also an out of date Asia Map. If I do any progress, I'll send it your way.

Actually, I have made some progress on Europe maps too--not sure how good they look, but i may get around to posting them if ppl are interested.

I'll try and get those changes made. However it is likely that it'll take around a week to do so. Mainly as I need to sort out a new military and warfare system first. So once that's complete i'll sort out this thread.

If anyone wants to make maps then feel free to do so, as much of my time will now be consumed by military stuff. Indeed if anyone wants to make a completely new world map then i'd be particularly happy since I won't have to sort this out anymore. However I am willing to continue to do so if noone wants to take over the task.

Somebody let me know what you think of this map (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/cylea/E20WorldmapforPosting2.jpg) please.

Only thing I see wrong is that you made Bulgaria part of Greece instead of Macedonia.

Parthini']Only thing I see wrong is that you made Bulgaria part of Greece instead of Macedonia.

Oye, that's embarrassing. Should be fixed in the next few minutes or so.

New Map: (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/cylea/E20WorldmapforPosting3.jpg)

Good graph Cylea. Feel free to create a new map thread if you feel like taking over the job.

Oye, that's embarrassing. Should be fixed in the next few minutes or so.

New Map: (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/cylea/E20WorldmapforPosting3.jpg)

Me likes!

If you could add a color key, it'd be even greater! =D

If you do a revision, you migh consider the addition of the Aral sea in the middle of the Central Asian Republic.

I'm a pain :p

Looks good, Cylea. Though, isn't French West Africa (the white part on the map) still held by Britain as a UN Mandate?

I'll see what I can do about the aral sea, though it might not look as good since I would have to add it to the blank I am using myself.

West Africa is white on purpose--that color is for UN mandates (note my holdings in Indonesia are white too) although parts of central america are also blank because I was lazy/ran out of colors.

I'll get on the aral sea and coloring central america later this weekend and maybe a color key. My family is going down to spend the day on Galveston Island (yes, next to the RL galveston bay ::tear:: ) so I'll be back on sunday.

I'll see what I can do about the aral sea, though it might not look as good since I would have to add it to the blank I am using myself.

West Africa is white on purpose--that color is for UN mandates (note my holdings in Indonesia are white too) although parts of central america are also blank because I was lazy/ran out of colors.

I'll get on the aral sea and coloring central america later this weekend and maybe a color key. My family is going down to spend the day on Galveston Island (yes, next to the RL galveston bay ::tear:: ) so I'll be back on sunday.

tell your family to eat at Gaidos

tell your family to eat at Gaidos

I'll keep it in mind for next time--didnt see the message til I got back, but we only live 45 minutes away, so it shouldnt be hard to check the place out eventually.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10633710#post10633710

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