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Plus, I got a question. Can we use the population of claimed territories? You know like using your main population for your homeland and the five other nations that were freebies.

I believe that this would be somewhat unbalancing. Imagine if someone claimed all of China, then gets 1.6 billion added to his population. If I claimed whole of China, I'd be eligible to DOUBLE my NS population, meaning, I have 1.9 billion now then add another 1.6 billion to it.

Or if a 50 million nation decides "I want China + India" then he can instantly become a 3+ billion population nation. Scary thought, eh?

Also, it can get confusing for some people when they try to figure out stats and military and other stuff in plans for invasions and such.

Yes.

Okay, I now can have 50,000 native men form an Army in each of my territories. Just to add some added backup in those areas.

Just for your informagtion guys, I won't be adding "Native Populations" to my nation. In other words, I won't be adding the populations of Brazil, California, Texas, Mexico, etc. to the Sharina population.

*cough* Is there anything left open? I'm looking at Caudillo's map and I'm wondering if the grey stuff is free or not. If it is I'd like to grab some of it.

If it turns out I can grab it I'd like to have Virginia, West Virginia,Ohio, Michigan, and Kentucky. Sorry If I'm bugging you.

Just for your information guys, I won't be adding "Native Populations" to my nation. In other words, I won't be adding the populations of Brazil, California, Texas, Mexico, etc. to the Sharina population.

So, are you saying that the Native Populations just disappeared?

So, are you saying that the Native Populations just disappeared?

A valid and very good question, Translvania. However, I do have an answer.

Those nations are simply part of Sharina, in other words, in Earth TLE, Sharina has had Mexico, Brazil, etc. ever since my Meso-American empire defeated the Spainsh when they tried to colonize in the 1500's with Hernan Cortez and such. Then my Empire grew in population and such in Mexico, Brazil, etc. to MT times, and in Earth TLE, these nations will have different populations than in RL.

Examples:

Mexico RL population = slightly over 100 million.
Sharina Mexico (Earth TLE) = roughly 250 million.

California RL population = 35 million.
Sharina California = 60 million.

And so on until I get my total NS population.


Hope that made sense. If not, I can try to explain it better or break down populations per province / nation / state.

A valid and very good question, Translvania. However, I do have an answer.

Those nations are simply part of Sharina, in other words, in Earth TLE, Sharina has had Mexico, Brazil, etc. ever since my Meso-American empire defeated the Spainsh when they tried to colonize in the 1500's with Hernan Cortez and such. Then my Empire grew in population and such in Mexico, Brazil, etc. to MT times, and in Earth TLE, these nations will have different populations than in RL.

Examples:

Mexico RL population = slightly over 100 million.
Sharina Mexico (Earth TLE) = roughly 250 million.

California RL population = 35 million.
Sharina California = 60 million.

And so on until I get my total NS population.


Hope that made sense. If not, I can try to explain it better or break down populations per province / nation / state.

About the same thing I have done with Bulgaria, Hungary, Moldova, Romania, Serbia & Montenegro, and Ukraine. I divide my main NS pop between those six nations.

What I’m talking about is the territory we take over. I.E. Because I have Switzerland and Liechtenstein, they will have the Native Populations. Plus, when I take over Albania and Macedonia, I will use the Native Populations. You see what I’m talking about, now.

@Jensai: I think the gray areas are open. Just wait for EC to get back.

About the same thing I have done with Bulgaria, Hungary, Moldova, Romania, Serbia & Montenegro, and Ukraine. I divide my main NS pop between those six nations.

What I’m talking about is the territory we take over. I.E. Because I have Switzerland and Liechtenstein, they will have the Native Populations. Plus, when I take over Albania and Macedonia, I will use the Native Populations. You see what I’m talking about, now.

@Jensai: I think the gray areas are open. Just wait for EC to get back.

Ahh, now I understand what you mean.

My invasions would be happening back in the 1700, 1800, 1900, or so. I can easily modify my existing RP post to change the F-22's to blimps and tanks to heavy cannon. Stuff like that.

Then fast forward to 2005, all these "Pending Invasions" would be actually Sharina territories / holdings with 50+ years of occupation. This is the beauty of fluid time in freeform RP in NS.

Ahh, now I understand what you mean.

My invasions would be happening back in the 1700, 1800, 1900, or so. I can easily modify my existing RP post to change the F-22's to blimps and tanks to heavy cannon. Stuff like that.

Then fast forward to 2005, all these "Pending Invasions" would be actually Sharina territories / holdings with 50+ years of occupation. This is the beauty of fluid time in freeform RP in NS.That's what I'm doing, only with the added plot twist that the events that led to my country's creation were actually set into motion by another group coming from NS Earth (rather than being natively extant in TLE) and interfering in this world's time-line.

Right now, I'm in the mid-to-late 16th Century (1530-1590). I expect events to jump to the 18th Century, and then progress through the 19th and into the 20th, ending in the 21st Century.

It's kind of fun to be running a thread in which the most advanced weapons available are cannon and matchlock muskets (although the intervenors and [soon] my country now have [or will have] snapping matchlocks, snaplocks, and even some snaphance muskets). It'll be even more fun when you realise that the elephant was the APC of 16th Century Southeast Asia (which makes those muskets kind of like RPG's, since a .75 calibre musket ball can crack an elephant's skull <s>).

It'll also be interesting seeing how 18th and 19th Century warfare flows in a jungle environment, since cavalry (other than dragoon scouts) won't work well in Southeast Asia's jungles. In the late 19th Century, I expect I'll be able to build some ironclads, and experiment with naval engagements in the pre-dreadnought/dreadnought era (with early submarines to make things even more interesting). And, of course, there will be repeating rifles and Gatling guns.

My RP may also take me in unexpected directions, but that is only natural in an alternate history RP. I've learnt more about 16th and 17th Century Asian history than you could imagine, and believe me - it's not what most Westerners think it is. The whole place was undergoing the most incredible cultural and technological changes. So going forward I hope to catch a little of that flavor; maybe it will interest someone other than me.

Ahh, now I understand what you mean.

My invasions would be happening back in the 1700, 1800, 1900, or so. I can easily modify my existing RP post to change the F-22's to blimps and tanks to heavy cannon. Stuff like that.

Then fast forward to 2005, all these "Pending Invasions" would be actually Sharina territories / holdings with 50+ years of occupation. This is the beauty of fluid time in freeform RP in NS.

Most of my invasion will happen from 1875 - 2005. All you look at my map/timeline. But because most of them will be happening from 1975 - 2005. I maybe not add the native populations but do what you are doing.

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Any rules for military?

Any rules for military?

What do you mean?

Any rules for military?

MT and use your NS army.

ooc: Has anyone taken Eastern China yet? May I lay claim to it?

ooc: Has anyone taken Eastern China yet? May I lay claim to it?

Look at the map: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Roach-Busters/TLE_Earth_Map.gif

And see yourself. Plus, read the bottom of first post.

ooc: Has anyone taken Eastern China yet? May I lay claim to it?

Sure!

Sure!

I'll commence the invasion at once!

I'll commence the invasion at once!

Not necessary. Everyone is allowed up to six freebies.

Not necessary. Everyone is allowed up to six freebies.

Thanks!

Thanks!

No problem. Are there five others you're interested in? I'm trying to fill up this Earth as soon as possible.

No problem. Are there five others you're interested in? I'm trying to fill up this Earth as soon as possible.

Nah, not really. I've gotten what I want.

OOC: Hey EC, meu amigo, shouldn't you be el Caudilho (http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/c1/caudillo.asp), given that you're currently running your country as a 21st Century version of the Portuguese Empire? ;)

(BTW, you'll be amused to read that Portguese is likely to emerge as the lingua franca (no pun intended) of Southeast Asia in the Red Temple's alternate history...)

With your permission, the Secret Society of Narodna Odbrana wishes to claim Japan and its outlying islands (including Hokkaido, Sakhalin, Okinawa, Tanageshima, and Iwo Jima).

We will run Japan through the yakuza (our affililiates) as a neutral mercenary state. Our primary interests, however, will lie ... elsewhere.

The history of how Narodna Odbrana (or rather, the yakuza) came to control Japan will be told soon.

With your permission, the Secret Society of Narodna Odbrana wishes to claim Japan and its outlying islands (including Hokkaido, Sakhalin, Okinawa, Tanageshima, and Iwo Jima).

We will run Japan through the yakuza (our affililiates) as a neutral mercenary state. Our primary interests, however, will lie ... elsewhere.

The history of how Narodna Odbrana (or rather, the yakuza) came to control Japan will be told soon.If Narodna Odbrana is given claim to Japan, we will contest the Red Temple's acquisition of the Phillipines (consider this a counter-invasion).

If Narodna Odbrana is given claim to Japan, we will contest the Red Temple's acquisition of the Phillipines (consider this a counter-invasion).

Japan is already taken (by North Mack). If you want to fight him for it, TG him and see if he's interested.

Japan is already taken (by North Mack). If you want to fight him for it, TG him and see if he's interested.Hmmmm. Was it just me? I seem to recall...

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Yes!!!!

The Latest Earth (TLE) - Post #129 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9113124&postcount=129)

ok. i am officially giving up the map making for a few reasons.


-im a lazy person. i dont like to work. making a map is work.

-im lazy.

-people are claiming too fast for me to properly add them to the map

-i suk at geography

also, i officially give up all claims of land. im a FT nation, and my Space Watch division of the Military had found a small planet that will support human life. since my whole civilization will be miving there, i release all claims on TLE.I can TG him to make sure he means it, but it sure looks like he relinquished his claims to TLE, which would be...Canada
Greenland
Iceland
Russia (eastern Russia)
Japan <--------------------- Yeah, that's it :cool:
Mongolia
Washington
Idah
North Dakota
Montana
New YorkDo we need to confirm this?

Hmmmm. Was it just me? I seem to recall...

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The Latest Earth (TLE) - Post #129 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9113124&postcount=129)

I can TG him to make sure he means it, but it sure looks like he relinquished his claims to TLE, which would be...Canada
Greenland
Iceland
Russia (eastern Russia)
Japan <--------------------- Yeah, that's it :cool:
Mongolia
Washington
Idah
North Dakota
Montana
New YorkDo we need to confirm this?

Damn, didn't see that. Sorry. All right, Japan is hereby yours.

Damn, didn't see that. Sorry. All right, Japan is hereby yours.

Hell, I post with NM's post maybe two times.

Can you post in your Angola? Because one of your government controlled ports is being attack by the RALM soldier. It is city of Namibe. I would be cool, if you had your soldiers help in the battle.

MT and use your NS army.
I can't use my NS army. That is why I try to use different armies for different earths.
See, my NS army is what I had just before original Whittier was deleated. It would not be very interesting(storyline wise)if I used it.
Plus it would look really weird on this earth and the other earths.
Plus, I don't think that is what El Caudillo has in mind.

I can't use my NS army. That is why I try to use different armies for different earths.
See, my NS army is what I had just before original Whittier was deleated. It would not be very interesting(storyline wise)if I used it.
Plus it would look really weird on this earth and the other earths.
Plus, I don't think that is what El Caudillo has in mind.

I think everybody is using thier NS army. But it up to you.

Damn, didn't see that. Sorry. All right, Japan is hereby yours.Remember, I wanted the outlying islands, too:
With your permission, the Secret Society of Narodna Odbrana wishes to claim Japan and its outlying islands (including Hokkaido, Sakhalin, Okinawa, Tanageshima, and Iwo Jima).And that will be the extent of it.

Whittier, did you own Korea in 1590, or was it still independent then? My history of how Narodna Odbrana took over Japan runs from Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea through the 19th Century.

Bonstock, same question re: Ming China, around the same date: did you own it then, or not? I'm going to start by describing the war I've mentioned above, and I need to know if I should be speaking of Bonstock or the Ming Dynasty.

After 1600, it no longer matters.

And I'll work out the details of the fight for the Phillipines with the Red Temple...

Remember, I wanted the outlying islands, too:
And that will be the extent of it.

Whittier, did you own Korea in 1590, or was it still independent then? My history of how Narodna Odbrana took over Japan runs from Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea through the 19th Century.

Bonstock, same question re: Ming China, around the same date: did you own it then, or not? I'm going to start by describing the war I've mentioned above, and I need to know if I should be speaking of Bonstock or the Ming Dynasty.

After 1600, it no longer matters.

And I'll work out the details of the fight for the Phillipines with the Red Temple...

Interesting.
Korea didn't become part of Whittier until 1643. Should give you some time to do something with it.

Interesting.
Korea didn't become part of Whittier until 1643. Should give you some time to do something with it.Good. Just assume that the Hideyoshi's invasion transpired (and failed) more or less as it actually did, but note that the muskets employed by the Japanese were slightly more advanced (most were still snapping matchlocks, but some snaphances [primitive flintlocks] were used by certain more elite [and better armed] companies).

The Japanese invasion mostly failed for want of cannon, BTW. Oh, and those d_mn_d Korean turtle ships...

(BTW, you may assume - beyond 1643 - that Japanese and Southeast Asian armaments more or less kept pace with European armaments from 1600 onwards; the sole exception involved the temporary [and ineffective] ban on firearms and military explosives by the short-lived Tokagawa Shogunate [whose downfall is one of the things my history will address]. This means that both Japan and Southeast Asia were deploying steam warships in the mid-to-late-19th Century [which is probably when the battle between Narodna Odbrana and the the Red Temple over the Phillipines will be fought {pre-Dreadnoughts, anyone?}].)

BTW, you may assume - beyond 1643 - that Japanese and Southeast Asian armaments more or less kept pace with European armaments from 1600 onwards; the sole exception involved the temporary (and ineffective) ban on firearms and military explosives by the short-lived Tokagawa Shogunate (whose downfall is one of the things my history will address). This means that both Japan and Southeast Asia were deploying steam warships in the mid-to-late-19th Century (which is probably when the battle between Narodna Odbrana and the the Red Temple over the Phillipines will be fought [pre-Dreadnoughts, anyone?])The way this is shaping up will be that the Red Temple (a/k/a the resurgent Khmer Empire) will have better cannon, while the Japanese will probably have primitive torpedoes and make extensive use of sea mines. The decisive actions will probably be on land, however, and may degenerate into a three-way war between the Cambodians, the Japanese, and the native Filipinos. Other nations may be invited to interfere, although that remains to be seen. I'm thinking that the fight will be with 1870-1885 vintage technology; I've always wanted to stage a war in that period (post-ACW, pre-WWI).

Whittier is preparing to invade Sri Lanka. (As soon as I calculate a navy).

Whittier's land and air forces will also be going after Tajikistan.

Whittier is preparing to invade Sri Lanka. (As soon as I calculate a navy).

Whittier's land and air forces will also be going after Tajikistan.

All right.

Ethiopia, Djibouti, Eritrea, and Somalia

Ethiopia, Djibouti, Eritrea, and Somalia

Confirmed.

Whittier is preparing to invade Sri Lanka. (As soon as I calculate a navy).

Whittier's land and air forces will also be going after Tajikistan.The Red Temple watches this development very carefully...

OOC: ... And may interfere.

Whittier is preparing to invade Sri Lanka. (As soon as I calculate a navy).

Whittier's land and air forces will also be going after Tajikistan.

Secret IC:
The Holy Empire is keeping an eye on this.




OOC: Witter, create thread then post the link either here or on the official forums.

I am making a military for the thread. Using third greek. When I am done, I will start a thread.

***OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT PRESS RELEASE***

Today, in a startling announcment, the Emporer of the Holy Empire of Shazbotdom has decreed that massive military buildup begins on the following boarders:
Between Illinois and Indiana
Between Wisconson and Michigan

The decree issued states that the entirity of the 4th Armed Marine Company and the 1st Marine "Black Ops Special Forces" Armored Company are to be involved in this conflict. That is a total of 3,750,000 Marines and 900,000 Marine Special Forces Troops. Deployment will occur within the next few days.

Armed forces of Whittier in TLE. (Reason I use seperate armies is because none of the different whittier's on the different earths interact or even have relations with each other. They are unaware of each other's existence.)

I hope this is accepted to the TLE community:

Base on a 184.075 billion defense budget.

Army:
Combat: 250,000
Support: 750,000
Total: 1 million

Armored Divisions:
Armored Tanks (with crew of 4 each): 5,000
Support: 180.000

Navy: 5 Nimitz Class Carriers (each holding 85 aircraft)
Aircraft breakdown: 2 E 2 Awacs
2 SH Seahawk antisub craft
1 HH 60 Seahawk Search and Rescue
80 F35's (on carriers but under air force command)
30 Oliver Hazard class Frigates
50 Amphibious Assualt Ships (can transfer up to 900 troops)
Support personnel: 132,000

Airforce:
F35's
1,600 land based
400 on loan to Navy
Total: 2,000

C130's: 50

Support personnel: 2,700

Secret IC:
The Holy Empire is keeping an eye on this.




OOC: Witter, create thread then post the link either here or on the official forums.
Official forums?

Plans for invasion of Sri Lanka.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9211390#post9211390

Map of china showing Tibet in western china:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/china_pol01.jpg

There seems to be claims conflict here.
Chronosia has been given Tibet while I have been given Western china (which is basically Tibet and the western half of Vighurs).

If Chronosia is willing to negotiate, I would be willing to give him the Nicobar Islands (which are part of India) in exchange for Tibet. Tibet being landlocked while the islands having sea access for his people to be able to move freely in and out.

Also, there is a claims conflict over India.
I was given claim to India and El Caudillo was given claim to it also.
In return for an alliance and help in taking Sri Lanka and Tajikistan (and possibly Kyrgyzstan) I would be willing to give him Goa, Diu, and Cochin. And Daman.

Course, I would also like an alliance with Chronosia and with Bonstock.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431467

We would welcome alliance, however, in the interest of maintaining an Eastern presence and seat of effective government for Chronosian held territories, I would appreciate if I could keep Tibet

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Chaos, what ups? Bored?

Trying to draw attention to my Irish thing :P

Ohhhhhhhhhh....Have fun with that!!!!!!!

Sri Lankan War: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430618) Whittier invaded Sri Lanka, Bonstock backed Sri Lanka's government and declared war with Whittier, and to resolve the conflict Whittier surrendered Taiwan and Korea to Bonstock, in exchange for Bonstock recognizing Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, and Kazakstan as Whittier's. So now Bonstock gets Korea and Taiwan, in addition to Eastern China.

OOC:

I'm curious, is Chronosia using demons, black magic, witches, etc. in Earth TLE that he uses normally? I remember he uses demons, spirits, witches, etc. in his RP's.

Entirely not; all my troops and tanks, while being Wh40K based (Imperial Guard, Leman Russ, etc) will use only modern technology.

I save Daemons and the legions of Chaos for fun FT and non-TLE related goodness :P

Wh40k? I've heard of the name, "Warhammer 40,000" but unfortunately, I don't know anything about it. Is it a video game or a novel universe? What's its about? I'm curious, as I like reading your RPs Chronosia. I hardly see any RP'ers describe demons and magic as well as you do.

OOC: Wow, thanks. Its a tabletop war game, which has spin offs into computer games and novels.

I mostly focus on Chaos Space Marines, Space Marines who have turned from the Emperor of Mankind, to worship the Four Gods of Chaos. Course, my nation isn't based around the God Emperor, but around someone who survived the death of the Imperium of Man, and founded his own, which eventually became corrupted by Chaos.

Glad you like it :)

Sri Lankan War: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430618)

Needs to be two pages before EC will allow it.

I'd liake Morocco, if it hasn't been taken yet.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431467

Did you TM, Holdenzia about this?

OOC: Wow, thanks. Its a tabletop war game, which has spin offs into computer games and novels.

I mostly focus on Chaos Space Marines, Space Marines who have turned from the Emperor of Mankind, to worship the Four Gods of Chaos. Course, my nation isn't based around the God Emperor, but around someone who survived the death of the Imperium of Man, and founded his own, which eventually became corrupted by Chaos.

Glad you like it :)

OOC:

Thanks for the info, Chronosia. Are there any good Wh40k sites I could browse? I'd like to learn the backstory, characters, places, important stuff, etc. of that particular universe. That way, I can understand your RP's even better, and might give me an idea or two for when I might go FT. I'm currently between MT and Post-MT (2015 - 2030 era).

I'd liake Morocco, if it hasn't been taken yet.

Roman Greece has it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431467

Ok; Holdenzia no longer exists. As such, I claim the United Kingdom; and commense invasion

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431467

Ok; Holdenzia no longer exists. As such, I claim the United Kingdom; and commense invasion

EC, does not get on that much now. So…go for it, my good sir.

XD Badass. How you doing these days Wolfy? Fighting the good fight?

Fighting on the good side some of the time. Killing Vampire hunters in my nation in secret.

It ain't a crime if no one knows ;)

Anyways; hope I get some input or acceptance from you in TLE from my invasion. Maybe we can be allies; hell, even friends :P

You’re correct. :p

It looks like I will take over TLE for EC. As long as it is over two pages, I will accept it. If I do take over, all my stuff becomes mine without having to role-play it. And I will do it for the others, too. Plus, I like RP with other people and not just myself.

And allies you say. I know why you would want to be our allies because we are a powerful empire that has 8,284,529 sq km of land. Yeah us!!!

I have been wondering what happened to this Earth.

I wanted to build a Meso-American empire, but apparently this Earth kinda died out before I could get my RP going. :(

Build it, Sharina. I have been active in this Earth for a long time but it looked like I was the only one. :(

So, I will act as leader of this Earth right now. As long as you or Chaos doesn’t care.

As long as you keep the spirit of this Earth alive, along with keeping it active then I won't have any problem with you being the admin of this Earth, Translvania. :)

Yeah! I feel loved! Okay, now back to normal self. I’m waiting for EC to send a TM back to me and I will be the new admin of this Earth.

I will run a check on the NS nations and see which ones are not longer with us, first. After that I will post another site, so I can change thing when I want to.

Only two nations are not with us any more: Holdenzia and Western Tennessee. Their clams will be dropped when I repost the thread for Earth TLE.