NationStates Jolt Archive

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Tired of all the other Earths? Ever joined a new Earth only to find you were too, little too, late, and that the nation (or nations) your little heart desired were already seized by a rival nation? Are you a newb looking for an Earth created by a fellow newb? If you answered 'yes,' to any of the above (and no, you don't have to be a newb to join this Earth), then TLE is just the right Earth for y-o-u! You'll experience good times and bad, uproarious belly laughs and salty tears, moments of joy and moments of sorrow...er, wait, never mind, that sounds more like a description of a marriage than an Earth. ANYHOO...um, yeah, if you have any questions, just fire away! *puts on bulletproof vest in case anyone mistakes the statement* There aren't too many rules. If you're a lazy guy who doesn't like having to write over 50 pages just to conquer a tiny Third World nation whose military couldn't swat a fly, no fear. In this Earth, you can start with six- yes, you read that correctly, six- nations free of charge. After that, though, you'll have to RP to get additional nations. Just to be fair, I'll say the limit to how many nations you can take is 15. Oh, and you can have up to 5 U.S. states (I ain't taking any, so all 50 will be available when this Earth opens up), and all 5 of the states are free (and they don't count as your five free nations; even if you decide to start with five nations for free, you can still take up to five states for free as well). Tiny islands, i.e., Guam, don't have to RPed, either, but don't overdo it; I'd say seven teensy-weensy island-nations is the limit. Any more questions? No. Good. Welcome to TLE!!!!!





Claims



Abyssinian Empire, The: Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia



Bonstock: China (eastern part)



Chronosia: New Jersey, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, New Hampshire, Tibet, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ireland, Zambia



Dracun Imperium: Greece, Netherlands, part of Germany , Belgium, part of France [all of it that I don't have]



El Caudillo: Spain, Portugal [including Azores and Madeira], Luxembourg, San Marino, Andorra, Malta, Monaco, Gibraltar, part of France [Alsace, Aquitaine, Auvergne, Bourgogne, Champagne-Ardenne, Corsica, Franche-Comté, Languedoc-Roussillon, Limousin, Lorraine, Midi-Pyrénées, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, Rhône-Alpes], part of Germany , part of Italy [Aosta Valley, Emilia-Romagna, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Liguria, Lombardy, Marches, Piedmont, Trentino-South Tyrol, Tuscany, and Veneto], part of Morocco [Ceuta, Isla de Alborán, Islas Chafarinas, Isla Perejil, Melilla, Peñón de Alhucemas, and Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera] part of India , part of China [Macau], Angola, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, Seychelles, Sao Tome and Principe, Cape Verde, East Timor



[b]Evilness and Chaos: Israel



[b]Geisenfried: Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore (pending invasion), Solomon Islands (pending invasion), Vanuatu (pending invasion), and New Caledonia (pending invasion)



Holdenzia: United Kingdom, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland



Jagada: Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Flordia



Knitters, The: Vatican City



Kordo: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Iraq, and Yemen



[B]MP05 Italy (all except the northern part, which belongs to me)



Narodna Odbrana: Japan



Palixia: Maryland, part of Delaware (the part occupying the Delmarva Pennisula), and part of Virginia (the part occupying the Delmarva Pennisula)



Real ALM, The: Senegal, the Gambia, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Burkina Faso, Nigeria, Chad, Sudan, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, Wyoming, and Pennsylvania



Red Temple, The: Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Burma, the Philippines



Red Tide2: Guam (invasion pending), South Africa, Argentina, Egypt, Libya, Lesotho, and Swaziland



Roman Greece: Morocco, Western Sahara, Algeria, Tunisia, Mauritania, Mali, Niger (invasion pending), Madagascar (invasion pending), Kenya (invasion pending)



Sharina: Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, Belize, Brazil, El Salvador (pending invasion), Surinam (pending invasion), French Guiana (pending invasion), Guyana (pending invasion), Uruguay (pending invasion), Costa Rica (pending invasion), Panama (pending invasion), Nicaragua (pending invasion), Califonia, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas



Shazbotdom: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconson, and South Dakota



The Transylvania: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Hungary, Ukraine, Moldova, Albania (pending invasion), Macedonia (pending invasion), Croatia (pending invasion), and Bosnia and Herzegovina (pending invasion), Slovenia (pending invasion), Austria (Pending Invasion), Czech Republic (Pending Invasion), Slovakia (Pending Invasion), Poland (Pending Invasion), Belarus (Pending Invasion), Lithuania (Pending Invasion), Latvia (Pending Invasion), Turkey (Pending Invasion), Estonia (Pending Invasion), western Russia, Georgia [the country, not the state] (Pending invasion), Liechtenstein, and Switzerland



Western Tennessee: Part of Tennessee (the western third of it), part of Kentucky (the western third of it), Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma



Whittier: India, China (western China), Nepal, Bhutan, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Kazahkstan, North Korea, and South Korea, Tajikistan (pending invasion), and Sri Lanka (pending invasion)

Romania
Bulgaria
Serbia and Montenegro (One nation)
Hungary
Ukraine
Moldova

All of those right now. From there, I will wait.

Romania, right now. From there, I will wait.

Got it! Remember, you can have up to five freebies!

Got it! Remember, you can have up to five freebies!

I edited my post.

Add Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro (One nation), Hungary, Ukraine and Moldova to the list.

I'll take Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaruga, Belize, El Salvador, and Cuba for my 6 nations. I will also take Califonia, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas as my 5 United States states.

I wonder, what will I have to do to claim additional states? Should I RP them? There are some tiny states like Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, etc. that are very tiny and not even worth a large scale RP or military assault.

five nations: Canada, Greenland, Iceland, russia, mongolia
five U.S. states :washington (state), idaho, montana, north dakota, and new york
if russia's too big, just make it eastern russia

I edited my post.

Add Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro (One nation), Hungary, Ukraine and Moldova to the list.

That's five nations, making a total of six. One of them you're gonna need to RP. The freebie limit is five.

I'll take Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaruga, Belize, El Salvador, and Cuba for my 6 nations. I will also take Califonia, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas as my 5 United States states.

I wonder, what will I have to do to claim additional states? Should I RP them? There are some tiny states like Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, etc. that are very tiny and not even worth a large scale RP or military assault.

Sorry, five is the limit for U.S. states. The limit for nations is fifteen. Unfortunately, Nicaragua and Cuba are taken already.

if you want, ill start making a map. its no trouble for me.

Serbia and Montenegro is one nation.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/yi.html

Six if you include Romania.

Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, and Malaysia.

Oh, and Brunei as well, if possible, since it's tiny.

if you want, ill start making a map. its no trouble for me.

Sure, thanks! :D

Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, and Malaysia.

Oh, and Brunei as well, if possible, since it's tiny.

Normally, I'd say to Brunei, because it would count as a country, not an island. But just this once, I'll make an exception.

Six if you include Romania.

I know. Six freebies total. Now I have to find my next target to RP an attack with.

I will take... the Guam, South Africa, Argentina, and Egypt just to have places to base my navy.

I'm a little confused.

Are you saying that I can only have 5 U.S. states at max, and 15 nations at max? I thought it was 5 U.S. states and 5 nations?

I will give up Cuba and Nicaruga, but can I have Brazil for my 5th nation?

I'm a little confused.

Are you saying that I can only have 5 U.S. states at max, and 15 nations at max? I thought it was 5 U.S. states and 5 nations?

I will give up Cuba and Nicaruga, but can I have Brazil for my 5th nation?

15 nations max, 5 U.S. states max. You can start out with up to 5 nations free (without having to RP them), but if you want more than 5 nations, you have to RP it.

I'm a little confused.

Are you saying that I can only have 5 U.S. states at max, and 15 nations at max? I thought it was 5 U.S. states and 5 nations?

I will give up Cuba and Nicaruga, but can I have Brazil for my 5th nation?

If you add Brazil, that's six nations. One of them you'll have to RP.

15 nations max, 5 U.S. states max. You can start out with up to 5 nations free (without having to RP them), but if you want more than 5 nations, you have to RP it.

Ohh... thanks for the clarification. However, if someone invades me, and I launch an counter-invasion then what will happen? I mean, if someone based in Colorado, Utah, etc. decides to grab my Nevada or Texas?

Then I either defend successfully, then counter-invade them, or I defend un-successfully and lose these states... what then? Will the limit have to be changed or what?

I'll give up El Salvador for Brazil.

Ohh... thanks for the clarification. However, if someone invades me, and I launch an counter-invasion then what will happen? I mean, if someone based in Colorado, Utah, etc. decides to grab my Nevada or Texas?

Then I either defend successfully, then counter-invade them, or I defend un-successfully and lose these states... what then? Will the limit have to be changed or what?

I'll give up El Salvador for Brazil.

If your state gets invaded, you can invade the aggressor state and oust the occupying country, but you must then withdraw.

hey, the maps being pissy. how do you edit the tag so the size of the image changes. i no how to do it in HTML, but HTML code is off right now

nevermind. i just learned you cant, so ill try to make the map bigger some different way.

no problem!


---<RESERVED FOR MAP>---
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/NorthMack/other%20stuff/TLEworldmap.bmp

if you took some US states, (like me) sorry, but theyll look a little off. thats because the map i used didnt have guidelines in the US, and i suck at drawing


sorry its so small. it was huge when i uploaded it, i dont know what happened.
hey, how do you edit the tag so you can set the image size?







updated 6:15 US Central Time, June 18, 2005

North Mack, instead of .bmp format, you might want to use .gif format, so the map won't be so small.

So, are we free to begin yet?

I'm going to attack Albania and Macedonia. With Albania under my belt, I can get to the Adriatic Sea without have to go the long way. With Macedonia under my belt, I will have Greece's north border covered.

Now, I have to find some info on both nations. I'm going to use the CIA fact book site. Is that okay?

So, are we free to begin yet?

Go for it.

I'm going to attack Albania and Macedonia. With Albania under my belt, I can get to the Adriatic Sea without have to go the long way. With Macedonia under my belt, I will have Greece's north border covered.

Now, I have to find some info on both nations. I'm going to use the CIA fact book site. Is that okay?

Enjoy.

And yes, it's okay.

Okay, thanks El Caudillo.

I have a suggestion regarding extra-large nations. We should split up Russia, China, and Canada into several sections, and treat each section as a nation.

Canada: Provinces (British Columbia, Yukon, Quebec, Ontario, etc.)

Russia: North-West Russia, South-West Russia, Central Russia, North-East Russia, and South-East Russia.

China: West China, Central China, and East China.

If a nation claims Canada, Russia, and China all at once, he / she would have like 1/5 of the world's landmass already. What do you think?

Okay, thanks El Caudillo.

I have a suggestion regarding extra-large nations. We should split up Russia, China, and Canada into several sections, and treat each section as a nation.

Canada: Provinces (British Columbia, Yukon, Quebec, Ontario, etc.)

Russia: North-West Russia, South-West Russia, Central Russia, North-East Russia, and South-East Russia.

China: West China, Central China, and East China.

If a nation claims Canada, Russia, and China all at once, he / she would have like 1/5 of the world's landmass already. What do you think?

Agreed. Thanks!

Enjoy.

And yes, it's okay.

I will make my first post some time tonight. I'm reading up on both of those nation. Plus, I will be using Serbia and Montenegro to get into both nations.

I started it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426755

After my invasion of Albania and Macedonia, I will move on to invade Slovenia. I would invade Slovenia for two reasons; to get close to Italy and to get above Croatia. I would use Hungary as a launching point of this invasion. If I take Slovenia, I will move on to Croatia. I would do this to surround Bosnia and Herzegovina. I would use Slovenia, Serbia and Montenegro, and Hungary as launching points of this invasion. If I take Croatia, I will move on to Bosnia and Herzegovina. I would do this to control everything in that area. I would Croatia and Serbia & Montenegro as launching points of this invasion.

After all that I would have Albania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary, Macedonia, Moldova, Serbia & Montenegro, Slovenia, Romania, and Ukraine in my empire. A total of eleven nations. Good plan. Right?

I would like to enter the earth and could i have United Kingdom, Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden. Pax Scandanavia for life.

I have just one more question.

What level of RP would be deemed sastificatory to actually annex any land I desire? I'm not sure, since I've been getting ready to do a couple other RP projects. I know I shouldn't do one paragraph RP's, but exactly how much, or what quality would be considered acceptable?

I can post some examples of my RP quality if you'd like to see them.

Can I take Libya for free? Or do I have to RP iot since I have already claimed some nations? Either way is fine.

I will take:

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Iraq
Iran
Egypt
Yemen

I have just one more question.

What level of RP would be deemed sastificatory to actually annex any land I desire? I'm not sure, since I've been getting ready to do a couple other RP projects. I know I shouldn't do one paragraph RP's, but exactly how much, or what quality would be considered acceptable?

I can post some examples of my RP quality if you'd like to see them.

I will maybe make my invasion thread one or two pages of good RPing. That is what I'm going to do. Plus, I have been reading up on the nations that I'm invading or going to invade.

Can I take Libya for free? Or do I have to RP it since I have already claimed some nations? Either way is fine.

You still have two freebies left.

B U M P

Claims are confirmed.

As for length of RPs, I'd say about 2-3 pages is fine.

Jagadian Claim

Nation Claims: Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile

US Claims: Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Flordia

Jagadian Claim

Nation Claims: Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile

US Claims: Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Flordia

Confirmed.

Claims are confirmed.

As for length of RPs, I'd say about 2-3 pages is fine.

Okay, I will make my two pages then. Can you put Albania and Macedonia (Pending invasion) by my name? So, nobody claims those. Thanks.

India, China, Nepal, Bhutan, Taiwan, Bangladesh

Edit: Add Kazahkstan and North/South Korea pending invasions

India, China, Nepal, Bhutan, Taiwan, Bangladesh

Edit: Add Kazahkstan and North/South Korea pending invasions

Confirmed. However, players are limited to one part of China, not the whole country, because it's so freaking humongous.

India, China, Nepal, Bhutan, Taiwan, Bangladesh

Edit: Add Kazahkstan and North/South Korea pending invasions

For China, pick one part: West China or Central China or East China.

The Transylvania: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Hungary, Ukraine, Moldova, Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina

Hey Caudillo, can you put it like this?

Albania (Pending invasion), Bosnia & Herzegovina (Pending invasion), Bulgaria, Croatia (Pending invasion), Hungary, Macedonia (Pending invasion), Moldova, Serbia & Montenegro, Slovenia (Pending invasion), Romania, and Ukraine.

Because four of those I have not invade right now. Thanks.

Hey Caudillo, can you put it like this?

Albania (Pending invasion), Bosnia & Herzegovina (Pending invasion), Bulgaria, Croatia (Pending invasion), Hungary, Macedonia (Pending invasion), Moldova, Serbia & Montenegro, Slovenia (Pending invasion), Romania, and Ukraine.

Because four of those I have not invade right now. Thanks.

Sure thing. Hang on.

Alright, I'm about to launch a large campaign, so put the following under pending invasion.

East Timor, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, New Caledonia

Alright, I'm about to launch a large campaign, so put the following under pending invasion.

East Timor, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, New Caledonia

Cool. I'll add those right away.

(OOC: Don't worry about Doom Guild, guys, that's my FT nation.)

I claim Israel and England!

I claim Israel and England!

England's taken, but you can have Israel.

Okay thank'ee I'll take it

Ok, I want the following 5 states.

New Jersey
Colorado
Hawaii
Maine
New Hampshire

Countries:

Tibet
Congo
Zaire
Ireland

Nations Claimed: Italy, more to come later

Can I have Scotland?

Someones already claimed Great Britain

Chaos (Chronosia), Ireland is with the United Kingdom. So it is taken. Plus, this is MT Earth.

yes, but its a seperate Earth :) So I can have it. And Ireland is not part of the UK, Northern Ireland is

I'm part Scottish and I take offense to that! :-P

O.m.f.g

I'm fully Scottish, and I hate the idea of being part of the UK too; but maybe one day, when I lead the revolution, we'll have freedom, and then be crushed by London, which alone has more people than us :P

O.m.f.g

w.t.f?

Ok, I want the following 5 states.

New Jersey
Colorado
Hawaii
Maine
New Hampshire

Countries:

Tibet
Congo
Zaire
Ireland

Sure, but just a reminder: 'Zaire' was changed to 'Democratic Republic of the Congo' in 1997.

Sure :) Replace Zaire with Zambia then?

Sure :) Replace Zaire with Zambia then?

Better yet, have 'em both. ;)

yes, but its a seperate Earth :) So I can have it. And Ireland is not part of the UK, Northern Ireland is

I always get it wrong. I will edit to the map.

How do we go about creating our nations, this'll be my first RP participation.

How do we go about creating our nations, this'll be my first RP participation.

These nations will be your colonies. Unless you take more than 5 nations, you don't have to RP taking them.

These nations will be your colonies. Unless you take more than 5 nations, you don't have to RP taking them.

Ah but I think I'll enjoy RP'ing Israel :gundge:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427050

The map center for this Earth.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427050

The map center for this Earth.

Thanks, man! :)

Thanks, man! :)

Your welcome. I got three of them up. USA, Europe, and South America. The others, I will get to later.

I'm about ready to initate my first ever imperialism and expansion in this Earth. I am going to post an invasion RP later tonight, and here are the nations under invasion...

1. El Salvador
2. Suriname
3. French Guiana
4. Guyana
5. Uruguay

Suriname, French Guiana, and Guyana are the three tiny nations to the north of Brazil. Uruguay is the small round-shaped nation between Argentina and Brazil, right along the ocean. El Salvador is the tiny nation just to the south of Guatemala, and west of Nicaruga.


This raises a question that has been somewhat bothering me for the last couple of days since you posted the 15 nations = max claims rule.

There are some nations that are as small as, say, Maryland, Rhode Island, or Connecticut. Examples of tiny nations would be Belize, El Salvador, Gambia, the numerous island nations in the Pacific (Guam, Midway, Kirati Islands, Mariana Islands, etc.), Aruba, Jamaica, etc.

It is my honest belief that such tiny nations should only count as 1/2 of a nation claim, meaning claim 2 tiny nations for the price of one nation claim. What do you think?

OOC:

I think i'll join up for this



MINE: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconson, South Dakota

It is my honest belief that such tiny nations should only count as 1/2 of a nation claim, meaning claim 2 tiny nations for the price of one nation claim. What do you think?

Hmmm...I'll have to think on that.

Claimed on behalf of my puppet, the Principality of the Red Temple (to whom I will extend no support):The Phillipines
Vietnam
Cambodia
Laos
Thailand
BurmaThere's my six...

Again, the Red Temple exists only in TLE and has no affiliation with any of my other puppets (this is only fair, after all). And, for the sake of future reference, I will be using Thirdgeek as my official calculator and Western Europe's war rules as my official army generator.

I'm hoping that the Red Temple will be up and running by this evening.


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A new nation for a new world, and a new world for a new nation.

I did the math of my new empire’s land and this is what I got.

The Dominion of the Transylvania:
Area:
total: 1,181,333 sq km
land: 1,172,457 sq km
water: 8,896 sq km

I could do this for anybody, if they want me do it. I have to much time right now.Yeah, I'd appreciate that for the Red Temple (the Phillipines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and Burma).

And we'd like to open diplomatic relations with you, BTW.

Yeah, I'd appreciate that for the Red Temple (the Phillipines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and Burma).

And we'd like to open diplomatic relations with you, BTW.

I will do it when El Caudillo added the Red Temple to the this. Plus, why would you want to have diplomatic relations with me?

I will do it when El Caudillo added the Red Temple to the this. Plus, why would you want to have diplomatic relations with me?You're far enough away from me to make it unlikely that our spheres of interest will collide! ;)

Ok. since im the map guy, and i suck at geography, could you all at least tell me what continent your claimed nations are on. like, WHERE THE HECK IS TIBET!!!

Tibet is in Southwest China, in the Himalayas.

Ok. since im the map guy, and i suck at geography, could you all at least tell me what continent your claimed nations are on. like, WHERE THE HECK IS TIBET!!!

Infoplease Atlas or the CIA Worldbook can help out. In addition, you can do "World Map" or "Continent Map" or whatever landmass map search in Google.com in the Images Search engine.

Claimed on behalf of my puppet, the Principality of the Red Temple (to whom I will extend no support):The Phillipines
Vietnam
Cambodia
Laos
Thailand
BurmaThere's my six...

Again, the Red Temple exists only in TLE and has no affiliation with any of my other puppets (this is only fair, after all). And, for the sake of future reference, I will be using Thirdgeek as my official calculator and Western Europe's war rules as my official army generator.

I'm hoping that the Red Temple will be up and running by this evening.


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A new nation for a new world, and a new world for a new nation.

Confirmed, but one of those will have to be RPed.

Erm, El Caudillo, you have a conflicting claim with The Red Temple - The Phillipines.

Erm, El Caudillo, you have a conflicting claim with The Red Temple - The Phillipines.

Phew, thanks for pointing that out. The Red Temple, sorry, but I already have the Philippines.

Any decision yet on the "2 tiny nations for the price of 1 nation claim" proposal I offered? I can try to do some "land area" research to determine a good cut-off boundary between "tiny nation" and "normal size nation".

Any decision yet on the "2 tiny nations for the price of 1 nation claim" proposal I offered? I can try to do some "land area" research to determine a good cut-off boundary between "tiny nation" and "normal size nation".

Sure, that's fine.

Oh yeah, new rule, people! You're allowed to have up to 25 nations, plus up to 5 tiny nations!

Out of interest..I see no rule on the main page (I only skipread following pages) about size of nations; therefore one nation could take;
India
Canada
Australia
Brazil
Germany
(For example; I chose those nations because they are relatively big and i noticed china+russia is divided)

Am I correct? If you want to stop this happening and if you really want to make a fairer newbs then you could try use the Earth II (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373378) system upon where all the biggest countries are divided into states, (or you could use quarters, whatever) rather than whole countries.

Still, it was just a suggestion *shrug*. I'd usually do a rant about another earth but I don't visit the site often so I won't waste your time. Have fun.

Sure, that's fine.

Oh yeah, new rule, people! You're allowed to have up to 25 nations, plus up to 5 tiny nations!

I think I have found a good boundary between tiny and normal sized nations.

Tiny nations are nations that have a land area of 30,000 square miles or less. South Carolina is roughly 30,000 square miles for a good comparison. Nations bigger than South Carolina should be considered "normal size".

What do you think?


I believe a better system would be 20 nations including tiny nations. Examples are as follows...

10 normal nations
20 tiny nations (sums up to 10 normal nations)

Total: 20 nations.

15 normal nations
10 tiny nations (sums up to 5 normal nations)

Total: 20 nations.

0 normal nations
40 tiny nations (sums up to 20 normal nations)

Total: 20 nations.



Would this work better?

I think I have found a good boundary between tiny and normal sized nations.

Tiny nations are nations that have a land area of 30,000 square miles or less. South Carolina is roughly 30,000 square miles for a good comparison. Nations bigger than South Carolina should be considered "normal size".

What do you think?


I believe a better system would be 20 nations including tiny nations. Examples are as follows...

10 normal nations
20 tiny nations (sums up to 10 normal nations)

Total: 20 nations.

15 normal nations
10 tiny nations (sums up to 5 normal nations)

Total: 20 nations.

0 normal nations
40 tiny nations (sums up to 20 normal nations)

Total: 20 nations.



Would this work better?

Excellent!

Out of interest..I see no rule on the main page (I only skipread following pages) about size of nations; therefore one nation could take;
India
Canada
Australia
Brazil
Germany
(For example; I chose those nations because they are relatively big and i noticed china+russia is divided)

Am I correct? If you want to stop this happening and if you really want to make a fairer newbs then you could try use the Earth II (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373378) system upon where all the biggest countries are divided into states, (or you could use quarters, whatever) rather than whole countries.

Still, it was just a suggestion *shrug*. I'd usually do a rant about another earth but I don't visit the site often so I won't waste your time. Have fun.

Canada, United States, Russia, and China are divided.

Okay, we'll use the Earth II method. India, Germany, and the like will be divided into states.

Do you plan on making your own forum site for this Earth or to run it off of the II boards?

Do you plan on making your own forum site for this Earth or to run it off of the II boards?

(OOC: I wasn't originally planning on it, but sure, it could work.)

Well, I don't suggest germany. but you should definetly divide Mexico, Brazil, and Australia. even if Australia is just west and east.

El Caudillo, I think we should create a formal set of guidelines based off our ideas and stuff, then edit it into your first post (claims listing post).

1. A player may claim 5 nations without RP, then may only claim up to 20 nations via invasions, annexations, and the like.

2. Small nations of 30,000 sq. miles or less (comparable size to South Carolina) are to be considered 1/2 of a nation, so you may claim two small nations for the price of one nation. In other words, you can claim or invade two small nations and they count as one full nation for your total claims.

3. You may only claim 5 USA states, to ensure that everybody gets a chance to control some land within the USA.



Is that a good start for a "formal" framework for TLE?

Sharina, that would be good In my oppinon.



El Caudillo, i could create the forums for you if needed. I could just go to InvisionFree for one. Just give me the go ahead.

Well, I don't suggest germany. but you should definetly divide Mexico, Brazil, and Australia. even if Australia is just west and east.

Will do. Thanks, Hogsweat!

El Caudillo, I think we should create a formal set of guidelines based off our ideas and stuff, then edit it into your first post (claims listing post).

1. A player may claim 5 nations without RP, then may only claim up to 20 nations via invasions, annexations, and the like.

2. Small nations of 30,000 sq. miles or less (comparable size to South Carolina) are to be considered 1/2 of a nation, so you may claim two small nations for the price of one nation. In other words, you can claim or invade two small nations and they count as one full nation for your total claims.

3. You may only claim 5 USA states, to ensure that everybody gets a chance to control some land within the USA.



Is that a good start for a "formal" framework for TLE?

Sounds perfect!

Mexico, Brazil, Australia, U.S.A., China, Russia, Austria, India, Argentina, Nigeria, Thailand, South Africa, and Switzerland are now divided up, so no nation can claim the entire country.

Sharina, that would be good In my oppinon.



El Caudillo, i could create the forums for you if needed. I could just go to InvisionFree for one. Just give me the go ahead.

Go for it. Thanks!

Add this URL to your first post: http://s7.invisionfree.com/TheLatestEarth/



I'll get to adding sections right away.

Why was/is Thailand divided? Burma/Myanmar is larger.

More to the point, since I now have Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Burma/Myanmar and part of Thailand (I appear to have lost the Philippines), it matters which part of Thailand I have, and how many parts there are to have.

Also, I thought that we got six nations to start, not five (a homeland plus five acquisitions). If I have another pick, I'll take another swath of Thailand to (hopefully) complete my control over that country.

Sichuan/Szechuan - is that an independent province/nation? It should be (looking to the future).

Finally, I'm reserving the Spratly and the Andaman Islands for invasion (if I can't just grab them outright and if they're not already taken), and would like to know how the South China coast is carved up. Is Hong Kong a separate country?

Newsflash: I'm abandoning all my non-European claims except Morocco and Western Sahara, so they're all available now. Plus, I slightly re-vised my list of European claims.

Why was/is Thailand divided? Burma/Myanmar is larger.

More to the point, since I now have Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Burma/Myanmar and part of Thailand (I appear to have lost the Philippines), it matters which part of Thailand I have, and how many parts there are to have.

Also, I had that we got six nations to start, not five. If I have another pick, I'll take another swath of Thailand to (hopefully) complete my control over that country.

Sichuan/Szechuan - is that an independent province/nation? It should be (looking to the future).

Finally, I'm reserving the Spratly and the Andaman Islands for invasion (if I can't just grab them outright and if they're not already taken), and would like to know how the South China coast is carved up. Is Hong Kong a separate country?

Thailand's divided into provinces. Oh, and I gave up the Philippines, so you can have it. And yes, Hong Kong will be a separate country.

What happens when a nother new earth is created? You can't be the latest earth then... :eek: (Dont bother about replying. Im really not interested in checking back, so I wont see what you say.)

Thailand's divided into provinces. Oh, and I gave up the Philippines, so you can have it. And yes, Hong Kong will be a separate country.How many? Where can I get a listing?

I'd like to make sure that I can consolidate my grip on Burma/Myanmar.

Oh, and I gave up the Philippines, so you can have it.It's more important that I secure Thailand first (with whatever free picks I still have left), so mark the unclaimed provinces of Thailand as pending invasion and I'll drop a pending invade marker on the Phillipines, too.

Beyond that, I just need to know how many campaigns I've committed to (Spratly's, Andaman's, the rest of Thailand, and the Phillipines) - three, four, five, ten, whatever - so that I can get writing. I'll save Szechuan, Hainan, Hong Kong, and the South China coast for another day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Thailand


Also, I added Gibraltar, Quebec, and Luxembourg to my claims.

Do we want a United Nations of our own? or are we going without that?



Also. What names of sections do you want?

Currently i have:

General:
Out Of Character Discussion

In Character Discussion:
International Incidents

Suggestions:
Suggestion Box





Italics are main sections. Below italics are sub sections. Like how II is a sub section of Sound & Fury on these boards.

I'll start my invasion RP's tonight when I hopefully have some spare time to write up a decent RP for these lands. :)

Do we want a United Nations of our own? or are we going without that?



Also. What names of sections do you want?

Currently i have:

General:
Out Of Character Discussion

In Character Discussion:
International Incidents

Suggestions:
Suggestion Box





Italics are main sections. Below italics are sub sections. Like how II is a sub section of Sound & Fury on these boards.

Those sound good. A TLE United Nations, eh? We just might do that. ;)

I stated at the outset that I would be using Western Europe's War Rules and Thirdgeek's NSEconomy as my "official" guides. Based on those sources, here is my second day's (second NS year's) army:

Western Europe's rules say that you should multiply population in millions (6) by three (=18) and add this to a base of 250 (=268). Then multiply by an economic strength factor (Very Strong = 1.8) to obtain your final military potential (=482.4).

Then look at the way that Defence is mentioned in your writeup. If Defence isn't mentioned but you know you spend money on it (from NSEconomy), then you get 12% of your potential, rounding down (=57). In addition, based on this same measure, you can have 0.8% of your population serving as infantry (armor, artillery, navy, and air forces don't dount towards the limit). For me, this means 48,000 infantry.

So with my 57 points, I'll buy: 1 Command & Support Unit (can support two "divisions") @ 10 pts.
1 Volunteer (elite light infantry) "division" of 25,000 (organized into 10 regiments of 2,500 men each) @ 4 pts.
1 Combat Engineer "brigade" of 1,000 @ 5 pts.
2 Special Forces "battalions" of 1,000 each @ 5 pts. each (a max of two can be supported per airborne, marine, or volunteer "division")
The remaining 28 points will go unspent (for now).

So effectively I have 28,000 men (all infantry and engineers) to play with. Thailand beckons...

OoC: Stop with all the earths already! They are a plague!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Thailand


Also, I added Gibraltar, Quebec, and Luxembourg to my claims.Huh?!?!?

Those look like 76 counties (they're about the same size as an American county). Ar you saying I can only have one of those, and that I have to RP the invasion of each individual county?!?

If you're going to break Thailand up that way, use the "groups" of provinces. If you do that, I'll take the Northeast (the pink) and (if I get a second pick in place of the Philippines) the North, and then claim (pending invasion), the East, Central, and South (in that order).

Still, though, I think that dividing up Thailand is a bit much.

I was thinking skins. Here are a few Idea's


HALO 2 Skin (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=58506)
Warcraft 3: Orcs and Humans (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=10831)
Warcraft 3: Night Elves (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=14075)
WWE Skin (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=38841)
Black Tech (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=52970)
Abstra-Black (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=44007)

I'm not going to be the map maker, now. North Mack can be the map maker.

Now, that I can have 25 nations. Added Austria (Pending Invasion), Czech Republic (Pending Invasion), Slovakia (Pending Invasion), Poland (Pending Invasion), Belarus (Pending Invasion), Lithuania (Pending Invasion), Latvia (Pending Invasion), Turkey (Pending Invasion) and Greece (Pending Invasion). I'm going to RP all of them, too.

Added those to my list and I will have 20 nations in my empire.

Huh?!?!?

Those look like 76 counties (they're about the same size as an American county). Ar you saying I can only have one of those, and that I have to RP the invasion of each individual county?!?

If you're going to break Thailand up that way, use the "groups" of provinces. If you do that, I'll take the Northeast (the pink) and (if I get a second pick in place of the Philippines) the North, and then claim (pending invasion), the East, Central, and South (in that order).

Still, though, I think that dividing up Thailand is a bit much.

They'll be divided into provinces, and you're permitted to have up to 15.

Soooo...what skin do you all want?

I was thinking skins. Here are a few Idea's


HALO 2 Skin (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=58506)
Warcraft 3: Orcs and Humans (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=10831)
Warcraft 3: Night Elves (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=14075)
WWE Skin (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=38841)
Black Tech (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=52970)
Abstra-Black (http://forums.ifskinzone.net/index.php?showtopic=44007)

bump

Add Georgia (pending invasion), too. After I take Turkey and Georgia, I will have almost at the coast of the Black Sea as mine.

Is Greece still open, as well as New york and New Jersey and what about Vatican City?

Is Greece still open, as well as New York and New Jersey and what about Vatican City?

Greece is in my list as pending invasion. But you can have it as long as you don't attack Albania & Macedonia or any other nation on my list as pending invasion. I'm invading them right now. El Caudillo owns upper Italy. Chronosia owns New Jersey. North Mack owns New York.

Ah thanks

Welcome.

We need someone to take the rest of Europe. The western half of France, most of Germany, part of Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Estonia, and western Russia are still available.

We need someone to take the rest of Europe. The western half of France, most of Germany, part of Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Estonia, and western Russia are still available.

Is western Russia touching the Black Sea or is that eastern Russia? Add Estonia (Pending invasion) to my list, too.

Give Greece to Dracun Imperium. I made a deal with him, he does not attack Albania & Macedonia or any other nation on my list as pending invasion.

Hmm... I wonder if it'd be possible if I could try to recreate the ancient Aztec + Inca empire? I'm going to invade Nicaruga, Costa Rica, and Panama along with my five other invasions. Then in the future, I might go for Venezeula, Columbia, and Ecaudor if Jagada becomes my enemy IC'ly or if he withdraws his claims.

After these invasions, I most definitely won't be looking to invade anything else except maybe Peru and the Caribbean Sea islands (Aruba, Jamaica, Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, etc.)

I want to have an MT re-built Aztec / Inca empire. :)

...are there any claims left? And how do you play...

ok. i am officially giving up the map making for a few reasons.


-im a lazy person. i dont like to work. making a map is work.

-im lazy.

-people are claiming too fast for me to properly add them to the map

-i suk at geography

also, i officially give up all claims of land. im a FT nation, and my Space Watch division of the Military had found a small planet that will support human life. since my whole civilization will be miving there, i release all claims on TLE.

Hmm... I wonder if it'd be possible if I could try to recreate the ancient Aztec + Inca empire? I'm going to invade Nicaruga, Costa Rica, and Panama along with my five other invasions. Then in the future, I might go for Venezeula, Columbia, and Ecaudor if Jagada becomes my enemy IC'ly or if he withdraws his claims.

After these invasions, I most definitely won't be looking to invade anything else except maybe Peru and the Caribbean Sea islands (Aruba, Jamaica, Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, etc.)

I want to have an MT re-built Aztec / Inca empire. :)

Go for it.

Is western Russia touching the Black Sea or is that eastern Russia? Add Estonia (Pending invasion) to my list, too.

Give Greece to Dracun Imperium. I made a deal with him, he does not attack Albania & Macedonia or any other nation on my list as pending invasion.

That would be western Russia.

All right, you can swap Estonia for Greece.

I'll take anything that's left.

Everyone should sign up Here ---> http://s7.invisionfree.com/TheLatestEarth

I'll take anything that's left.

Most of Canada, the vast majority of Africa, Antarctica, Japan (I think), the Netherlands, Belgium, several U.S. states, and a few Asian nations are left.

I'll take the netherlands, japan and you said the vast majority of Germany was open or did somebody claim it?

I'll take the netherlands, japan and you said the vast majority of Germany was open or did somebody claim it?

About half of Germany is available. Want it?

yep:)

Shit, never mind, I'm sorry. Japan is taken. I didn't see that. :headbang:

Np *Sets course for european domination*

Np *Sets course for european domination*

Since Belgium's not taken, and since the Netherlands, why not take it?

And since the western half of France borders Belgium, why not take it, too?

Good point, I'll take it and I made several posts on the forum:D

Yes! Europe is now officially complete, as seen here:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Roach-Busters/TLE_Europe.gif

Dracun Imperium, a lot of West Africa is available. You could take some of those nations, and then our African territories can border each other.

That would be western Russia.

All right, you can swap Estonia for Greece.

Okay, thanks. I love the map, three allies in one spot. Me, you and DI.

I stated at the outset that I would be using Western Europe's War Rules and Thirdgeek's NSEconomy as my "official" guides... So with my 57 points, I'll buy...Thanks to population growth, it's now 58 points and 56,000 infantry.

So, given these new limits, I'll add another Volunteer "division" @ 4 points, two more Special Forces "battalions" @ 5 points each, and another Combat Engineer "brigade", leaving myself with just 10 points left unspent. My army now has 56,000 infantry (exactly my limit), so it will be a while before I can add another division (until I reach a population of 12 million).

So as of today, my total military strength is: 50,000 Volunteer Light Infantry (20 Regiments of 2,500 men each)
4,000 Special Forces (4 battalions of 1,000 men each)
2,000 Combat Engineers (2 battalions of 1,000 men each)Not especially impressive, I know, but I'm trying to play a realistic number of troops for a nation my size. Some of my neighbours could crush me like a bug, but I figure they'll be fair and not do that, since I could have hauled one of my developed nations with 500-700 million people over to TLE, had I wished to do so. Hopefully, they'll respect that.

So now it's time to take Thailand, who I'll figure to have an army roughly equivalent to mine. Our first conquest...

Can I have the Vatican?

Can I have the Vatican?

Nope, because somebody own is already.

Western Russia, and Switzerland [the rest of it]

I don't know what states/provinces that are Western Russia, and Switzerland. El Caudillo, can you help me out?

Plus, they did not have pending invasion by them, does that mean I already own them.

I don't know what states/provinces that are Western Russia, and Switzerland. El Caudillo, can you help me out?

Plus, they did not have pending invasion by them, does that mean I already own them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia


(OOC: Switzerland you already own, but Russia will have to be RPed.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia

(OOC: Switzerland you already own, but Russia will have to be RPed.)

Okay, thanks. Western Russia will be the last of my invasions.

Okay, thanks. Western Russia will be the last of my invasions.

(OOC: Check TGs, please.)

Actually I see someone owning Italy but not the vatican...it is a seperate country

Actually I see someone owning Italy but not the vatican...it is a seperate country

(OOC: The Vatican is now yours. ;))

Thanks you very much *adjusts pointy hat*

OOC* Oh and just for the sake of it, I think it is important that is known I am not a new player...I have another nation (Franco-Philia) that is quite large and advanced but I am bored with it and I think Im going to let it die out because I prefer this smaller one, so if roleplaying or what-not comes up, don't worry...no godmoding or newbie silliness usually associated with the 5 million pop. mark.......just tought I'd mention that.

The Knitters

El Caudillo, I can't tell the difference between your and Dracun Imperium's colors in the Europe map you made. The colors are much too similiar that they look practically identical.

On another note, I apologize that my RP has been delayed. A lot of RL stuff has been happening this week that I hadn't expected, so my RP time is kinda at a low point this week. Hopefully once I get these RL issues resolved, and the weekend arrives, I think I can RP at full capacity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_subjects_of_Russia


(OOC: Switzerland you already own, but Russia will have to be RPed.)The Transylvania owns Switzerland? I would have thought it was El Caudillo. Hmmm, I'll have to take that into consideration when I write my history (my first King spent 3-4 formative years in Geneva during what would have been WW I (I assume before the collapse of the Austrian Empire and the spread of Transylvanian power up the Danube, but after the annihilation of France and French culture by El Caudillo in the bloodbath of the Second French Revolution of 1874-1879 [you people don't mind me writing some of [i]your history, do you? I imagine that you'll rather like what I come up with]).

I'm also dragging a little behind. I'm come up with outlines for: The Khmer-Siamese War of 1948-1950,
The history of Indochina since the collapse of France in 1870-1871 (thanks, El Caudillo!!!),
My first leader's early years as a Communist revolutionary (relax, we're not Communists any more - in fact, we never really were [our leader pulled a "Fidel", in reverse] - but now at least you know what he was doing in Geneva during the Great War),
His years in Russia during the Civil War (The Transylvania, TG me and we can dovetail the details of the rapid rise and fall of Soviet Russia; I'm figuring you took them out during Stalin's purges or just after, during the late 20's and early 30's; but definitely get with me before you kill Trotsky, who was an early friend and mentor of my first ruler [I'm assuming Lenin died as he did historically, and - to complete the list of famous people who are in my history, Mussolini was never born [thanks, El Caudillo!!!]),
Some details about the Great Revolution (a Marxist revolution that followed the Great War and the Pandemic of 1917, but was quickly wiped out by counterrevolutionaries in the 20's and 30's; it spread to America, which is why the U.S. broke up into individual States prior ro assimilation into other people's empires,
My first King's rise to power in 1926, and his early years of consolidation.That leaves me the 30's and 40's to cover (no WW II, because Japan never got that far and the European empires were gone), and then the aftermath of the Siamese war and the consolidation of Khmer power in Southeast Asia during the 50's and 60's.

The Red Temple will be MT/PMT, but these early RP's will be with post-WW II and early Cold War era technology.

Just so that you know, my vision is of a world where there was a Great War that ended in Communist revolutions almost everywhere (except for El Caudillo and the Transylvania - you two are allies, right?), annihilating the Great Powers we're familiar with and ending colonialism almost everywhere at once (by 1919). The high-water mark of the Revolution came in the 20's, after which it collapsed very quickly under pressure from El Caudillo and the Transylvania (in Europe) and probably Sharina as well (coming out of Mexico); beyond that, a lot of the early Communist states underwent the same chaos as Soviet Russia and were toppled by counterrevolutionaries after being torn apart by internal power struggles. By the 30's or 40's, it was over. The Counterrevolution was the "second" world war and there was no Cold War following that.

Most of the important counterrevolutionaries were fascists; a few were neo-monarchists; in the former colonies, tribal wars and insurrections toppled these nascent Marxist regimes or transformed them into dicatorships where ideology was largely window dressing. Today's world is brutal in the extreme, dominated by authoritarian states of various stripes, some dressed up as kingdoms, some as republics, and some simply controlled by local strongmen. There may still be a Communist state here or there, and there may even be a real democratic republic, but they're the exception rather than the rule.

El Caudillo, I can't tell the difference between your and Dracun Imperium's colors in the Europe map you made. The colors are much too similiar that they look practically identical.

On another note, I apologize that my RP has been delayed. A lot of RL stuff has been happening this week that I hadn't expected, so my RP time is kinda at a low point this week. Hopefully once I get these RL issues resolved, and the weekend arrives, I think I can RP at full capacity.

No sweat. There's no rush.

The Transylvania owns Switzerland? I would have thought it was El Caudillo. Hmmm, I'll have to take that into consideration when I write my history (my first King spent 3-4 formative years in Geneva during what would have been WW I (I assume before the collapse of the Austrian Empire and the spread of Transylvanian power up the Danube, but after the annihilation of France and French culture by El Caudillo in the bloodbath of the Second French Revolution of 1874-1879 [you people don't mind me writing some of [i]your history, do you? I imagine that you'll rather like what I come up with]).

Yeah, I own Switzerland. What part of it that I own Aargau, Appenzell Ausserrhoden, Appenzell Innerrhoden, Basel-Landschaft ,Basel-Stadt, Glarus, Graubünden, Jura, Lucerne, Nidwalden, Obwalden, Schaffhausen, Schwyz, St. Gallen, Solothurn, Thurgau, Ticino, Uri, Zug, Zürich. I'm thinking that El Caudillo (with soldiers of the Dominion helping) took all of Switzerland then gave half of it to me.

Don't write any of my history. Okay?

I'm also dragging a little behind. I'm come up with outlines for:
The Khmer-Siamese War of 1948-1950,
The history of Indochina since the collapse of France in 1870-1871 (thanks, El Caudillo!!!),
My first leader's early years as a Communist revolutionary (relax, I'm not a Communist any more, but now you know what he was doing in Geneva during the Great War),
His years in Russia during the Civil War (The Transylvania, TG me and we can dovetail the details of the rapid rise and fall of Soviet Russia; I'm figuring you took them out during Stalin's purges or just after, during the late 20's and early 30's; but definitely get with me before you kill Trotsky, who was an early friend and mentor of my first ruler [I'm assuming Lenin died as he did historically, and - to complete the list of famous people who are in my history, Mussolini was never born [thanks, El Caudillo!!!]),
Some details about the Great Revolution (a Marxist revolution that followed the Great War and the Pandemic of 1917, but was quickly wiped out by counterrevolutionaries in the 20's and 30's; it spread to America, which is why the U.S. broke up into individual States prior ro assimilation into other people's empires,
My first King's rise to power in 1926, and his early years of consolidation.
That leaves me the 30's and 40's to cover (no WW II, because Japan never got that far and the European empires were gone), and then the aftermath of the Siamese war and the consolidation of Khmer power in Southeast Asia during the 50's and 60's.

The Red Temple will be MT/PMT, but these early RP's will be with post-WW II and early Cold War era technology.

All of my RP are going to be modern tech. But I will maybe take Western Russia in 1918-1924. Be like a flashback to the God-Emperor, who would be fighting because back then he was not the leader of the Dominion but one of the Twelve leaders of the Dominion.

El Caudillo is my ally.

Yeah, I own Switzerland. What part of it that I own Aargau, Appenzell Ausserrhoden, Appenzell Innerrhoden, Basel-Landschaft ,Basel-Stadt, Glarus, Graubünden, Jura, Lucerne, Nidwalden, Obwalden, Schaffhausen, Schwyz, St. Gallen, Solothurn, Thurgau, Ticino, Uri, Zug, Zürich.Then Geneva isn't yours... Does El Caudillo own it (again, it matters; my first King has fond memories of his salad years there)?
All of my RP are going to be modern tech.Yeah, I like the "flashback" approach to fleshing out a nation's history. That's basically what I'm doing, and - when I have time - I'd like to organise a huge WWII "flashback" among the nations of the Pacific region for some of my other puppets (not in TLE). "Flashbacks" are good practise (because they're safe - you know the outcome) and help create background for future RP's.
But I will maybe take Western Russia in 1918-1924. Be like a flashback to the God-Emperor, who would be fighting because back then he was not the leader of the Dominion but one of the Twelve leaders of the Dominion.In my history, Soviet Russia fell apart after Lenin's death in 1924; Trotsky lost out to Stalin in the power struggle, and then the purges came, weakening the Soviet state further.

Because there was no Treaty of Versailles and thus no cordon sanitaire to protect the infant U.S.S.R. from attack (yes, that was the effect of that particular piece of folly - to surround the new Soviet state with weak Eastern European governments), I figure that Stalin's regime came under renewed attack in a renewal of the Civil War in 1927 (or so); the war probably lasted until 1932 or 1933 (maybe longer in some parts).

Then again... <TRT goes Googling>... you could maybe set the war in 1932, when Stalin annexed the Ukraine, reversing Lenin's support for Ukrainian independence (http://www.geocities.com/youth4sa/nationalities.html). That would have been the perfect opportunity for the Transylvania to jump in against the Soviets.

Given conditions in Russia at the time, the war might have lasted 5 years or so; and this could cover the occupation of Estonia as well, BTW.
El Caudillo is my ally.So noted; thus in my history, you two "saved" Europe from Communism.

Some would debate whether the use of the term "salvation" really applies here...

~~~~~~~~~~

As a side note, I'd be willing to help RP the Soviets in a losing war. I think they were earlier devotees of armoured warfare, although they pursued the "cavalry tank" theory of its use. They invested in the Christie chassis (http://www.geocities.com/firefly1002000/christory.html), employing it in (I believe - I'll look into this further) a vehicle called the "BT-5 (http://www.wargaming.net/tanks/MODELS/bt5.htm)"; the Soviets also went in big for armored cars [eg., the "BA-1"; I can't find a good stat sheet for the BA-1, but the BA-3 and BA-6 (http://www.wargaming.net/tanks/MODELS/ba3ba6.htm) were based on that design]). But the incompetence that they displayed in Finland (1940) and the early months of the war with Germany (1941) would have certainly been in evidence by 1932 or so.

The Bolshevik "Old Guard" (Kamenev, Bukharin, Zinoviev, et al.) were executed after show trials in 1936-38 (http://www.gendercide.org/case_stalin.html). I can see them staging an unsuccessful coup attempt had war focussed Stalin's attention elsewhere, producing a "Red-on-Red" civil war.

Hope this helps.

Then Geneva isn't yours... Does El Caudillo own it (again, it matters; my first King has fond memories of his salad years there)?

Yeah, El Caudillo own the other part of it.

Yeah, I like the "flashback" approach to fleshing out a nation's history. That's basically what I'm doing, and - when I have time - I'd like to organize a huge WWII "flashback" among the nations of the Pacific region for some of my other puppets (not in TLE). "Flashbacks" are good practice (because they're safe - you know the outcome) and help create background for future RP's.)

I'm going to flashback during the Western Russia take over. Plus, do the Black Widow Campaign in it timedate. (See the map)

In my history, Soviet Russia fell apart after Lenin's death in 1924; Trotsky lost out to Stalin in the power struggle, and then the purges came, weakening the Soviet state further.

Because there was no Treaty of Versailles and thus no cordon sanitaire to protect the infant U.S.S.R. from attack (yes, that was the effect of that particular piece of folly - to surround the new Soviet state with weak Eastern European governments), I figure that Stalin's regime came under renewed attack in a renewal of the Civil War in 1927 (or so); the war probably lasted until 1932 or 1933 (maybe longer in some parts).

Then again... <TRT goes Googling>... you could maybe set the war in 1932, when Stalin annexed the Ukraine, reversing Lenin's support for Ukrainian independence (http://www.geocities.com/youth4sa/nationalities.html). That would have been the perfect opportunity for the Transylvania to jump in against the Soviets.

Given conditions in Russia at the time, the war might have lasted 5 years or so; and this could cover the occupation of Estonia as well, BTW.

This is how it is going to happen. In 1918, the Russia army crossed into Estonia, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine. It starts a war with the Dominion and Russia. Look at the map under this to see a timeline.

Map of my claims/Timeline (http://img94.echo.cx/img94/1742/myeurope8vx.png)

So noted; thus in my history, you two "saved" Europe from Communism.

Some would debate whether the use of the term "salvation" really applies here...

Yeah, that sounds like us.

This is how it is going to happen. In 1918, the Russia army crossed into Estonia, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine. It starts a war with the Dominion and Russia. Look at the map under this to see a timeline.

Map of my claims/Timeline (http://img227.echo.cx/img227/4366/myeurope2ol.png)Cool. My first King was still an ardent Communist then; he went to Russia with Lenin, fought alongside Trotsky, and then left for home after Lenin died, but before Stalin came to power (I'll get the date for that, although we could modify that with RP - maybe Stalin murdered Lenin on his way to the top...). I've done a little more research and I think I'm setting the date of his rise to power in Cambodia (the so-called "Red Revolution", although by then he was no longer a Communist [not that his followers knew that]) (verrrry tentatively) to 1929.

I like how this is coming together...

Cool. My first King was still an ardent Communist then; he went to Russia with Lenin, fought alongside Trotsky, and then left for home after Lenin died, but before Stalin came to power (I'll get the date for that, although we could modify that with RP - maybe Stalin murdered Lenin on his way to the top...). I've done a little more research and I think I'm setting the date of his rise to power in Cambodia (the so-called "Red Revolution", although by then he was no longer a Communist [not that his followers knew that]) (verrrry tentatively) to 1929.

I like how this is coming together...

The Black Widow Campaign lasts 30 years and part of the Russia/Dominion war. Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania were part of Russia during the Black Widow Campaign.

The Black Widow Campaign was lead by the great-grandfather of General Adolph McKnight of the 1st Blood Wolves, Viktor McKnight. The Black Widows were a unit of the Dominion army, numbering over 400,000 men. Viktor McKnight was 25 years old and a general, too. They used horses and other ways of transport used in their time to move around.

Changes to historical timeline are in red

1800 - Napoleon I crowns self Emperor of France (historical)
1814 - Napoleon exiled to Elba; Bourbon Restoration (historical)
1815 - Napoleon escapes Elba; defeated at Waterloo; exiled to St. Helena (historical)
1848 - Bourbons toppled; Second French Republic created
1852 - Louis Napoleon elected President; crowned Emperor Napoleon III; beginning of Second French Empire (historical)
1860 - Cambodia becomes a French colony (historical)
1866 - Prussia crushed by Austria in Seven Weeks' War
1870 - French defeated by El Caudillo; Napoleon III abdicates.
1871 - El Caudillo crushes Paris Commune, massacres Parisian population (100's of thousands slaughtered); countryside rises in revolution.
1872-1876 - Second French Revolution; over a million French slaughtered; French language banned, French culture destroyed, French national identity blotted out; exiled remnants survive in Switzerland, Caribbean, Quebec, Louisiana (but still harried by El Caudillo).
1870-1880 - French colonial rule in Cambodia continues, but increasingly transitions to native rule.
1880-1920 - Thai kings break the back of the Vietnamese empire with Franco-Cambodian assistance; Cambodia still viewed as a weak puppet.
1912 - Youngest son of Cambodian King (@FIRST_KING) sent to Rome to study for the priesthood.
1913 - @FIRST_KING travels to Geneva with an Italian woman, Margherita Sarfatti, then his lover; they break up in Geneva; she is arrested by security forces upon her return to Italy for involvement with Communism and executed, as are most of her friends and associates, including her former lover, a Socialist activist named Benito Mussolini. @FIRST_KING remains in Geneva in company of Lenin and other Communists to avoid similar fate.
1917 - Lenin goes to Russia to start revolution; @FIRST_KING goes with.
1917-1926 Russian Revolution & Civil War; War with Dominion; @FIRST_KING gains military experience as well as practical political experience.
1927 - Cambodian King dies; @FIRST_KING returns to Cambodia; abortive revolt in Kampot; @FIRST_KING flees to Laos; reunites with old tutor.
1928 - @FIRST_KING becomes de facto head of Communist movement in Laos and Cambodia; at the same time his old tutor influences him to abandon Communism in favor of "enlightened" monarchy
1929 - @FIRST_KING returns to Cambodia and overthrows government; within 48 hours of his siezure of power, he executes his former leftist followers.
1929-1948 - Gradual rise of Cambodia as a rival to Thailand
1948-1951 - Overthrow of the Kingdom of Siam.

I have to figure out the name of @FIRST_KING - and this is all (of course) subject to change. ;)

The Black Widow Campaign was lead by the great-grandfather of General Adolph McKnight of the 1st Blood Wolves, Viktor McKnight. The Black Widows were a unit of the Dominion army, numbering over 400,000 men. Viktor McKnight was 25 years old and a general, too. They used horses and other ways of transport used in their time to move other.Trotsky was (historically) a brilliant cavalry commander, and the Russians also made great use of armored trains, so you know what my young prince learned about mobile warfare.

Timeline of the Holy Empire of Shazbotdom:

1492: Collumbus Discovered America
Blank Time Frame
1776: United States declares independance from England
1778: United States Formed
Blank Time Frame
2003: Civil Unrest on the rise due to President George W. Bush
1st Quarter 2004: United States disassembles itself
2nd Quarter 2004: Factions arise in old United States
3rd Quarter 2004: The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom Founded in Minnesota
4th Quarter 2004: Old US States of Wisconson, Illinois, Iowa and South Dakota agree to join Minnesota to become a stronger nation.

Timeline of the Holy Empire of Shazbotdom:

1492: Collumbus Discovered America
Blank Time Frame
1776: United States declares independance from England
1778: United States Formed
Blank Time Frame
2003: Civil Unrest on the rise due to President George W. Bush
1st Quarter 2004: United States disassembles itself
2nd Quarter 2004: Factions arise in old United States
3rd Quarter 2004: The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom Founded in Minnesota
4th Quarter 2004: Old US States of Wisconson, Illinois, Iowa and South Dakota agree to join Minnesota to become a stronger nation.

I have a question, though.

I was wondering exactly when the Golden Gate Bridge was built, as I'd like to capture San Fransico and California right after the Golden Gate Bridge was built. That will be in my "alternate history" that might be able to fit in yours, Shazbotdom.

I have a question, though.

I was wondering exactly when the Golden Gate Bridge was built, as I'd like to capture San Fransico and California right after the Golden Gate Bridge was built. That will be in my "alternate history" that might be able to fit in yours, Shazbotdom.

Construction of the bridge began January 5, 1933, was completed in April of 1937, and opened to pedestrians May 27 of that year.

Somebody call the NOOB-Busters.

OOC:
Newbies make the game fun though

This is a NOOB not a Newbie.

OOC:
They both seem the same to me......lol

A NOOB will use smiles.

A newbie will not use smiles.

Thanks El Caudillo.

Should we try to establish a rough history for this Earth, to make an interesting backstory? As far as I know, the other Earths don't have any backstory behind them except AMW and Earth 1900 - 2000 (The one that I'm gonna be participating in as China as it is an alternate history Earth led by Hrstovokia).

If this is a good idea, and has the support of the TLE community, I'd like to try to compose the history if possible, as I'm an avid "alternate-history" fan as I love reading those kinds of stories. Harry Turtledove is one of my favorite authors in that genre.

Should we try to establish a rough history for this Earth, to make an interesting backstory? As far as I know, the other Earths don't have any backstory behind them except AMW and Earth 1900 - 2000 (The one that I'm gonna be participating in as China as it is an alternate history Earth led by Hrstovokia).

Yeah, that sounds good. The Red Temple has Europe history wrote up. Mine in on that I map that I posted. The year 1000 AD is when I had my homeland, Romania.

So, do it.

Yeah, that sounds good. The Red Temple has Europe history wrote up. Mine in on that I map that I posted. The year 1000 AD is when I had my homeland, Romania.

So, do it.

Okay, however, I need to know if anyone else in Asia, Africa, and Australia has their own alternate histories that they want to write or post up. After that, I can try to fill in the history of North + South America, as I'll be basically RP'ing and building an reborn Aztec / Inca empire.

Then I can try to mesh all the histories of you guys into a workable "frame" and when I do that, I'd like feedback and stuff from you guys, like correct any mistakes or discrepancies.

Looking forward to Earth TLE. :D

Okay, however, I need to know if anyone else in Asia, Africa, and Australia has their own alternate histories that they want to write or post up. After that, I can try to fill in the history of North + South America, as I'll be basically RP'ing and building an reborn Aztec / Inca empire.

Then I can try to mesh all the histories of you guys into a workable "frame" and when I do that, I'd like feedback and stuff from you guys, like correct any mistakes or discrepancies.

Looking forward to Earth TLE. :D

Okay, if you need any help from me, just ask me. Have you signed up to the outsite forum? Link on the first post.

Great idea, Sharina.

Great idea, Sharina.

He will need to know about your history of your Africa claims.

He will need to know about your history of your Africa claims.

IRL, Angola, Mozambique, and Guinea-Bissau belonged to Portugal, which is part of El Caudillo. Equatorial Guinea belonged to Spain, Morocco and Western Sahara were once Spanish, and Algeria and Mauritania were once French (half of France is part of El Caudillo).

Ohhhhhhhh.......

Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, and Nevada (if not taken)

Ballearic Islands, Sardinia, Corsica, Spain (if not taken)


also, it would be alot less confusing (and save people from looking from alot of pages) to make a list of nations and states that arent taken

All you have to do is read the bottom of the first post. Read what everybody has.

JWolf, the King of Eastern Europe, the Czar of Western Russia, the owner of the Black Sea.

ok. i am officially giving up the map making for a few reasons.


-im a lazy person. i dont like to work. making a map is work.

-im lazy.

-people are claiming too fast for me to properly add them to the map

-i suk at geography

also, i officially give up all claims of land. im a FT nation, and my Space Watch division of the Military had found a small planet that will support human life. since my whole civilization will be miving there, i release all claims on TLE.

El Caudillo, North Mack needs to be took off the first post.

Okay. I'll need at least some details of the alternate history in Africa, such as when or why did the African lands fall under El Caudillo control. I'm aware that several lands in Africa were Portguese holdings, but when / how did these holdings become El Caudillo holdings? Stuff like that.

Then I'll need Asia and Australia / Oceania histories, then I'm all set.

What of South America? What happens to them?

OOC: Actually, I don't want to be responsible for European History, partly because I feel like that would be godmodding. Consequently, let me pass that responsibility off to the two or three people who should have it.

What I Need From El Caudillo

Historically, Cambodia (my homeland) became a French colony in 1860. But France is now a part of El Caudillo. Therefore, either:



El Caudillo took over France after 1860 (my preference), OR


El Caudillo took over France before 1860 and therefore Cambodia never became their colony (not my preference, but I could live with it), OR


El Caudillo took over France before 1860 and colonised my country in France's place (unacceptable - it would be almost impossible for me to do what I want with the Red Temple had this happened).

My suggestion is that France fell to El Caudillo in 1870. I assume that Prussia was defeated by Austria at the Battle of Sadowa in the Seven Weeks' War (1866) and that Austria subsequently united Germany under the Zollverein (this creates a powerful German state in time for the Great War while keeping Austria vital in the face of the Transylvania's earlier conquest of Wallachia and Hungary). I agree that it's not necessary for France to have fallen in 1870; it could have fallen to El Caudillo at the end of the Great War or even later (although in no case will my history work if it fell later than the mid-1920's [1926-27 is the limit]). I need at least 10-12 years of French rule to establish a proper cultural and economic presence in my country; beyond that I do not care.

But there are nice consequences to assuming that the conquest of France came in 1870, through Louis Napoleon III's defeat by El Caudillo in the War of Italian Succession (I made that up, but it sounds good). Upon hearing news of L'Empereur's capture by the Spanish enemy, Paris would have gone up in rebellion (which actually happened after his capture by the Germans at Sedan). El Caudillo would then certainly marched on the Paris Commune (just as the Germans did), besieged it (as the Germans did), and finally overcome it (as the Germans did), after which they would have razed Paris (which the Germans did not do).

I figure that when Paris was sacked and its population put to the sword by the hundreds of thousands, the rest of France would have gone up like a bonfire (I call this the Second French Revolution). But El Caudillo must have crushed this, too, and with the utmost violence. Since he seems to have no Frenchmen in his government, I assume that he committed genocide against the French (in the modern sense of the term): that he banned the French language, burned all books written in French, destroyed all French art, renamed all the towns, villages, mountains, hills, forests, lakes, and rivers - in essence that he wiped France clean of every trace of its identity. This is not necessary, of course, but it seems so like him. ;)

But however you cut it, I need for France to have fallen after 1870, but before 1926. If El Caudillo wants it to happen differently, he can - but it should also happen in a way that doesn't leave El Caudillo in charge of France's colonies, else I'm back to square one.


My first King's history assumes that he met Lenin in Geneva a few years before the Russian Revolution. Actually, it assumes that there was a Russian Revolution in which Lenin came to power. Since Lenin spent the years immediately before the Great October Revolution in Geneva, that is where I want them to meet.

Now, Lenin could have been in exile anywhere, I suppose: Stockholm, London, even New York. But Geneva works best for me, since it allows me to have my first King's father send him off to a seminary in Rome and for him to have skipped out and gone to Geneva after just a few months there. Other cities would be harder to reach.

So I need to know if Lenin could have been in exile in Geneva from <checking Answers.com> 1907 to 1917. I actually don't need him there until 1912 or so, nor do I need him there after 1917.

I assume that Lenin could not have survived in Geneva once it fell to El Caudillo, so again I need for El Caudillo to set the date that he acquired Switzerland. Since the Transylvania says they got the eastern half of the country in 1936, that would be a good year for the western part to fall into El Caudillo's hands, but again this is something for him to decide. I just need Lenin there, safe and sound for a few years.
What I Need From The TransylvaniaMy first king's personal history continues with his participation in the Russian Revolution and the subsequent Civil War, from 1917 to 1926 (or so). He fights along side Trotsky, learning his tactics along the way. He sees Lenin die and sees Stalin rise to power; he develops a dislike for Stalin and leaves the country before the Georgian manages to consolidate power.

Lenin died in 1924, and I think we should stick to that date if we can (although we don't have to). Stalin then took four years to consolidate power; that's probably the right amount of time for that to happen, too - so if we decide to assassinate Lenin in 1921, Stalin should have consolidated power in 1925. For the purposes of my story, however, Stalin should not consolidate power before 1926 at the earliest (that way my young prince can leave before things get too dicey, since he'd clearly be labelled a Trotskyite. Also, whatever happens, Trotsky should not die before my first King's departure.

The Transylvania posits a "Black Widow Campaign" in which the Dominion strips Russia of its western territories, completing the conquest by 1905. If there is a subsequent Great War (which I think there should be), Russia will not be able to fight anyone but Turkey or the Dominion thanks to having been driven back so far to the east.

There are several ways to handle this: Russia remains on the sidelines until the very end of the war, and then attacks the Dominion in 1918 (per the Transylvania's earlier statements).


Russia begins fighting the Dominion sooner (say, in 1914 or 1915), is beaten badly (per history), and undergoes a revolution (led by Kerensky and other Army officers) in 1917 or 1918 (also per history). These officers then press the war even harder than before against the Transylvania (again per history).
Does the Transylvania then take the role of the German OKW and send Lenin into Russia aboard a train with a ton of gold in hope that he will topple the Kerensky government (which he does)? Keep in mind that Lenin would have ended the war with the Dominion for certain, although it could have easily started up again at any time. Or do we assume that Lenin travels to Russia earlier than 1918, and topples the government sooner?

I have offered to RP the Russians in their losing war with the Transylvania. I think the fight would be more interesting later, in the mid-to late 1920's or early 1930's, but I'll defer to the Transylvania's wishes on this.
What I Need From Other European Players (Mainly Dracun Imperium)
We should fill in the gaps, especially with regards to Germany or Austria and their history. Was there a Great War? What happened to Germany in it? Did the Nazis rise to power in the 30's? If so, how did that happen?

In my suggested history there was a Great War. Russia probably fought the Transylvania (see above), and maybe Germany and Poland (which could have been a German possession [most likely] or a German puppet [less likely] assisted then in this effort. Did El Caudillo come to the aid of its ally? Whose side was Turkey on? Was MP05 involved? I've also proposed that there was a flu pandemic in 1917 (which actually occurred) and a wave of Communist revolutions in the years 1918-1925 (or so) that appeared poised to turn the world red and then failed. Did any of you nearly get overthrown and have to fight to get your soil back from the Reds?

On a separate front, I am assuming that WW II did not occur (or at least did not occur in the Pacific); I've made no allowances for having to fight the Japanese for control of Indochina. Is that OK with whomever owns Japan?SummaryI really only want to be responsible for the history of my territories (right now, that means Southeast Asia); my excursions into European history were a necessity given that my homeland started as a European colony. So beyond my basic needs, I'd prefer that you Europeans filled in the rest of the details.

Geisenfried, I'm planning on reviving the 20th century Portuguese Empire. All I need is East Timor. Any chance I could have it?

I've given up all my European claims except Portugal, so they're all available now.

I've given up all my European claims except Portugal, so they're all available now.OK, that kind of blows my past history all to pieces, since it means that I can no longer consider France to have been destroyed between 1870 and 1926. Therefore...

I retract my entire proposed alternate history.

The Transylvania, I will gladly assist you in RP'ing any and all wars you have with Russia (I speak Russian, so that will make it even more interesting, especially if I can find a good Russian character set ... let's see ... «Братство и Свобода!» ("Brotherhood and Freedom!") ... yes, that should do).

The history of Southeast Asia I will handle on my own.

Geisenfried, I'm planning on reviving the 20th century Portuguese Empire. All I need is East Timor. Any chance I could have it?

I replied to your TG asking why, but now that I've dug up this thread and know why you want it, here's my full reply.

I planned on invading East Timor to complete the dominance I have in the region, owning just about everything southeast of Indochina. However, if you really, really want East Timor so that you can revive the Portugese Empire, you can have it. However, I won't hesitate to take it from you if you put enough military forces for me to consider the place dangerous to my other claims.

Anyways, I'm going to finally put up my invasion of Singapore, the Solomon Islands and the like today.

I replied to your TG asking why, but now that I've dug up this thread and know why you want it, here's my full reply.

I planned on invading East Timor to complete the dominance I have in the region, owning just about everything southeast of Indochina. However, if you really, really want East Timor so that you can revive the Portugese Empire, you can have it. However, I won't hesitate to take it from you if you put enough military forces for me to consider the place dangerous to my other claims.

Anyways, I'm going to finally put up my invasion of Singapore, the Solomon Islands and the like today.

Oh, THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU.

OK, that kind of blows my past history all to pieces, since it means that I can no longer consider France to have been destroyed between 1870 and 1926. Therefore...

I retract my entire proposed alternate history.

The Transylvania, I will gladly assist you in RP'ing any and all wars you have with Russia (I speak Russian, so that will make it even more interesting, especially if I can find a good Russian character set ... let's see ... «Братство и Свобода!» ("Brotherhood and Freedom!") ... yes, that should do).

The history of Southeast Asia I will handle on my own.

Actually, I'll keep my European claims. N/M

Should it meet with your approval I would like to claim the western third of both Tennessee and Kentucky along with the states of Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri. Since I only claimed a third of Tennessee and Kentucky would it be ok if I claim Oklahoma as well? Ill work in my history as soon as I am oked.

Many thanks.

Should it meet with your approval I would like to claim the western third of both Tennessee and Kentucky along with the states of Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri. Since I only claimed a third of Tennessee and Kentucky would it be ok if I claim Oklahoma as well? Ill work in my history as soon as I am oked.

Many thanks.

Sure thing.

Actually, I'll keep my European claims. N/MGrrrrrrrrrrr.

You are driving me insane.

I'm sorry, but I need to build a history that isn't going to be invalidated every 10 seconds by someone else changing their mind. Since I made the mistake of choosing a Third World power, now I need to figure out how Cambodia bypassed the entire colonial era and arrived at its current position of dominance in Southeast Asia. Not an easy task.

But I can manage. It's throwing my RP schedule out of whack, though, which places me in considerable danger. Oh well.

OOC: Since someone has already started a history of the US Im just playing off of it. Sorry for any noob mistakes, as you can tell Im rather new here.

1492: Collumbus Discovered America
Blank Time Frame
1776: United States declares independance from England
1778: United States Formed
Blank Time Frame
2003: Civil Unrest on the rise due to President George W. Bush
1st Quarter 2004: United States disassembles itself
2nd Quarter 2004: Factions arise in old United States
3rd Quarter 2004: The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom Founded in Minnesota
4th Quarter 2004: Old US States of Wisconson, Illinois, Iowa and South Dakota agree to join Minnesota to become a stronger nation.

After the breakdown of order in the United States a group of citizens in the western third of the state of Tennessee met with the idea of forming their own government. They felt the government in Nashville was neglecting their section of the state. Convening in Dyersburg (approx 90 miles north of Memphis) the representatives from the counties west of the Tennessee River decided to create their own breakaway province. With a slant toward the history of the state, they formed The Confederacy of West Tennessee on July 4 of 2004. Due to the situation in the rest of the country the government in Nashville was powerless to do anything. Only some civil leaders in Memphis, lead by Mayor Willie Herrington, offered resistance. The civil populace in Memphis was in favor of the new country however, and they were soon deposed. By the end of the month power was consolidated and the capitol moved into Jackson, due to its central location.

The situation in Kentucky after “The American Troubles” was just as bad as that of Tennessee. The western third was being neglected by the state government in Frankfurt, in favor of the more industrial center and mineral rich east. Delegates met in Murray and decided on the 12th of August to ask their brethren in West Tennessee if they would be allowed to join. The West Tennessee government, eager to expand their small territory, jumped at the chance. On August 15th the state of West Kentucky was added to the Confederacy of West Tennessee.

With the cohesion of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas under the Sharina flag, the state governments of Louisiana, Arkansas and Oklahoma became rather nervous regarding the future autonomy. Seeing another opportunity to expand, the government in Jackson approached the three governments with an offer. They would retain their own autonomous identity under a loosely organized Republican (as in the structure, not the party) government. It would be a true Confederacy of states. The three were officially added to the Confederacy of West Tennessee in October of 2004.

December of 2004 saw the state legislature of Missouri considering their neighbors to the northern and southern borders. Considering the independent streak of the citizenry, the government decided to approach the Tennessee government in Jackson with a proposition quite similar to that struck during the “Triple Acceptance” of October. After minor negotiations Missouri was accepted into the Confederacy in January of 2006.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

You are driving me insane.

I'm sorry, but I need to build a history that isn't going to be invalidated every 10 seconds by someone else changing their mind. Since I made the mistake of choosing a Third World power, now I need to figure out how Cambodia bypassed the entire colonial era and arrived at its current position of dominance in Southeast Asia. Not an easy task.

But I can manage. It's throwing my RP schedule out of whack, though, which places me in considerable danger. Oh well.

Cambodia was part of French Indo China iirc. It was granted limited independence in 46 and, after some intermediate levels, full independence was granted in 54.

I could be wrong as I mostly do European history though.

Hey EC, did you see this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Christ)?

Seems the Templars were instrumental in getting the Portuguese Empire off the ground...

Cambodia was part of French Indo China iirc. It was granted limited independence in 46 and, after some intermediate levels, full independence was granted in 54.

I could be wrong as I mostly do European history though.The problem lies in the fact that El Caudillo has claimed - and then relinquished - and then reclaimed - France. So (if you go back and read the earlier posts in this thread) you can readily see the problem: when did France cease to exist, and what does that mean for me?

I can't just say, "Well, we won our independence in 1953..." From who? France? El Caudillo? Someone else? It won't do. I need a history that I can build on, so I've going to have to basically arrange things so that the blasted Europeans never got a foothold anywhere in Southeast Asia to begin with.

That's the only way I'll have a history that works.

I misunderstood your post. My apologies.

If the French never got there you could have a Buddhist government of some sort. They also had various kingdoms you could play off of.

Maryland, Delmarva Pennisula... San Marino... anything

The problem lies in the fact that El Caudillo has claimed - and then relinquished - and then reclaimed - France. So (if you go back and read the earlier posts in this thread) you can readily see the problem: when did France cease to exist, and what does that mean for me?

I can't just say, "Well, we won our independence in 1953..." From who? France? El Caudillo? Someone else? It won't do. I need a history that I can build on, so I've going to have to basically arrange things so that the blasted Europeans never got a foothold anywhere in Southeast Asia to begin with.

That's the only way I'll have a history that works.

You can say you won it from France. France didn't become part of El Caudillo until much later.

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Russia remains on the sidelines until the very end of the war, and then attacks the Dominion in 1918 (per the Transylvania's earlier statements).

That is what I want.

I have offered to RP the Russians in their losing war with the Transylvania. I think the fight would be more interesting later, in the mid-to late 1920's or early 1930's, but I'll defer to the Transylvania's wishes on this.

I want it to be set in 1918. So, we don’t have guns of the 30’s.

The Transylvania, I will gladly assist you in RP'ing any and all wars you have with Russia (I speak Russian, so that will make it even more interesting, especially if I can find a good Russian character set ... let's see ... «Братство и Свобода!» ("Brotherhood and Freedom!") ... yes, that should do).

Okay, I will tell you when I’m about to post the Dominion-Russia War.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9146622#post9146622

Enjoy.

I got an idea. A Europe War or World War II of Earth TLE. It would take place in Europe and maybe spread to other parts of Earth TLE. And this would take place in the year 2005. Meaning all the pending invasions you have down will be yours.

Chronosia, Dracun Imperium, El Caudillo, Holdenzia, MP05, and me would be in it. But I don’t have any idea how it would start.

You can say you won it from France. France didn't become part of El Caudillo until much later.

So, when did you get your part of Switzerland? On my map, I have it as a gift from you in 1936.

I got an idea. A Europe War or World War II of Earth TLE. It would take place in Europe and maybe spread to other parts of Earth TLE. And this would take place in the year 2005. Meaning all the pending invasions you have down will be yours.

Chronosia, Dracun Imperium, El Caudillo, Holdenzia, MP05, and me would be in it. But I don’t have any idea how it would start.

That, my friend, is a brilliant idea. I'm all for it if everyone else is.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428614

The Black Widow Campaign has began.........

@El Caudillo: Good, me and you have the largest European 'Empires'. I'm first, your second and DI is third.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428614

The Black Widow Campaign has began.........

@El Caudillo: Good, me and you have the largest European 'Empires'. I'm first, your second and DI is third.

Voice: Must...acquire...rest of Switzerland...western Austria...

*Smacks voice, tells voice to shut up*

Are we not going to use the other forums or are we just RPing the history here then moving over?

Voice: Must...acquire...rest of Switzerland...western Austria...

*Smacks voice, tells voice to shut up*

Voice: Do...not...try...it...because...you...will...be destroyed...

Voice: Do...not...try...it...because...you...will...be destroyed...

Me: Yeah, original voice, or he'll kick your ass!

LOL

So how 'bout it, everyone? Anybody else interested in the TLE World War idea?

I could lend minor (like a regiment) support to something like that. I am tiny so that would be about it.

So how 'bout it, everyone? Anybody else interested in the TLE World War idea?

Maybe they have not got on in a couple of days.

OOC:

I wouldn't mind it. But i'm only on M-R.

Times i'm on:

M & W = 9am - 4pm
T & R = 11am - 5pm

Ohhhhhhhh............

Sounds interesting to me.

*runs off and cuts of oil to enemys*

Muahhahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!

I'm back, and I am still around. I have had to undertake several big RL issues as I'm prepping to go into a major surgery at the beginning of August.

However, now that I have dealt with the RL issues this and last week, I'll have much more time to RP out stuff. I can start RP'ing the "Rise of the Inca Empire" here in TLE, with my pending invasions, and then perhaps several of Jagada's lands during this World War in TLE.

I'm up for the World War, for some kind of excitement and stuff, rather than mindlessly taking over NPC territories, or RP stuff out (carving your empire for example) then let it sit there for weeks or months with no exciting RP activity in the particular Earth or RP community. In other words, this World War will be a much needed "injection" of excitement and ambition for Earth TLE. :D

Cool, Sharina. I so happy that people like my idea. El Caudillo and I are role-playing a Cold War between us right now. See 'Eyeball to Eyeball: Clod War between El Caudillo and The Transylvania' It was EC idea.

Whats the link? I'd like to have a looky-see. :D

Whats the link? I'd like to have a looky-see. :D

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429011

Here you go, Sharina.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429011

Here you go, Sharina.

Thanks.

I finally managed to put up the beginning of my Meso-American Empire RP for Earh TLE. The hardest part is over, getting it done. Without further ado, here's the link. :p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9163403#post9163403

Thanks.

I finally managed to put up the beginning of my Meso-American Empire RP for Earh TLE. The hardest part is over, getting it done. Without further ado, here's the link. :p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9163403#post9163403

Nice read you got there, Sharina.

bump

Updated my map:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2407/myeurope8na.png

Updated my map:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2407/myeurope8na.png

{OOC: Nice!}

OOC:
When will we be able to get an updated map of the entire Earth?

{OOC: Nice!}

Thanks.

OOC: When will we be able to get an updated map of the entire Earth?

We don't have a map maker, right now. I'm not going to be it.

OOC:
When will we be able to get an updated map of the entire Earth?

{If you'd like, I could get started on one right now. Might take a little while, though.}

OOC:
That would be perfect. Thanks.




p.s. I suck at map making,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Roach-Busters/map.gif

Thats a kick-ass map, El Caudillo!

BTW, I think I can start the 2nd stage of my expansion tonight or tomorrow, namely taking Costa Rica and Panama.

Thats a kick-ass map, El Caudillo!

BTW, I think I can start the 2nd stage of my expansion tonight or tomorrow, namely taking Costa Rica and Panama.

Thanks! :D

I'll add Costa Rica and Panama.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Roach-Busters/USA_map.gif

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Roach-Busters/map.gif

You forgot the other part of Turkey and Georgia. But it is a cool, awesome map. Better then mine.

EC, go to the Cold War thread.

OOC:

I think i'm gonna start taking a few more of the US states (in a diplomatic way). I'll probably start that tomarrow (if i'm in town) or on Monday.

I will probably take Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Nebraska.

El Caudillo, just a suggestion.

Several colors on your maps look quite similiar, like pink + orange (West Tenneessee and Jagada colors). I think it'd be better if everyone had colors that aren't similiar so that it'd be much easier for people to see who owns what, instead of "Huh? I thought he owned that? He doesn't? But the map shows he does?"

Also, I propose that each player gets their own unique colors, meaning for example, I'm blue in the World Map, but green in the USA map. It'd be easier and clearer if I'm blue on both maps for example.

You forgot the other part of Turkey and Georgia. But it is a cool, awesome map. Better then mine.

EC, go to the Cold War thread.

Fixed.

Fixed.

Thanks but I still see the old map.

Thanks but I still see the old map.

Try reloading the page.

Try reloading the page.

I did it a couple of times. Still the old map.

It is photo bucket, they won’t load up a picture with the same tag after you deleted it then reloaded another picture with the same tag in it.

Plus, I got a question. Can we use the population of claimed territories? You know like using your main population for your homeland and the five other nations that were freebies.

Plus, I got a question. Can we use the population of claimed territories? You know like using your main population for your homeland and the five other nations that were freebies.

Yes.