NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: I know you did, but read the post, my anti-missile guns destroyed a whole load of them. Besides, even with the 200, the first one to hit the target would have vapourised all the others, so it would have done about the same damage.

Guffingford, I am going to ignore your attack because you decided my casualties for me. If you wish to try it again, please do, but I will decide my casualties. Remember that my nation has EMP defences and SDI defence, as well as (experimental 30% effective) satellites that transmit jamming signals to computer devices. True, this leaves my nation without computers for a while, but it's better that than being vapourised.

NES...you are aware that, as well as killing several of my troops, you also destroyed FC defences...and wrecked a beautiful beach in the process?

On with the invasion.

[OOC: Excuse me, "Greater Valia", but I don't know who made you the all-knowing rule maker or II (I've never seen you post before). Although the 100 million rule was popular a while back, most respected RPers on II dont go along with that any more. My personal view is that if the nation in question can RP (and that doesn't mean if they act responsibly or act how I want them to with their nukes - that's their own IC decision) then I will accept it. If they godmod... well I ignore godmodders anyway, regardless of whether or not they have nukes.]

Seriously, if all you have to say is that you're an older nation and so that means you know everything and you're ubar and pwny and I;m just a n00b who therefore has the intelligence of a 4 year old and isnt capable of doing anything other than what you think a n00b nation should do even though I've said something different in most of my 120 posts, then just leave this thread, because I'm really not interested. I'm not just going to roll over and die when I could save my nation just because u r t3h uber 2003 nation of pwniness.

I wish you would understand that its not because youre a young nation that im so hostile towards you its because you are showing a complete disregard for the rules of II. All im asking you to do is wait a month until you can officially have nuclear weapons. Thats it. Theres nothing so hard to understand about that. And another thing saying you can just nuke an entire fleet is the ultimate n00bish thing you could possibly do. Dont you realize that the nuclear fallout caused by the size of the warhead you detonated would cause your entire homeland to turn into a irradiated hell reminisant of Chernobyl? Wait, I forgot that you just dont give a shit. And for the record you are not a n00b nation, you are a "new" nation who just happens to be a n00b.

OOC: Ill answer your question. There is an established rule here that clearly states that no nation inder 100 million population can have nuclear weapons.

OOC: When the sweet merciful hell was that "rule" added? It doesn't even jive with real world politics (Israel, North Korea)! I understood that, generally, small nations were not allowed nuclear weapons because it caused an awful lot of havok, but in this case FC made a request and found nations to comply without doing anything stupid, and he didn't even use them until blatantly violated by several other, larger, nations. I see no violation of general RP principles there, while those who just arbitrarily invaded FC because they "don't like small nations have nukes" are definately taking some serious liberties with, you know, diplomacy and realism.

All im asking you to do is wait a month until you can officially have nuclear weapons. Thats it. Theres nothing so hard to understand about that. And another thing saying you can just nuke an entire fleet is the ultimate n00bish thing you could possibly do. Dont you realize that the nuclear fallout caused by the size of the warhead you detonated would cause your entire homeland to turn into a irradiated hell reminisant of Chernobyl? Wait, I forgot that you just dont give a shit. And for the record you are not a n00b nation, you are a "new" nation who just happens to be a n00b.

OOC: You have no right to make that demand, or any, of another nation. Furthermore, FC did not "nook their fleetz," he launched nuclear missiles at them. Their effectiveness has yet to be determined, but will probably not be so hot. And, as I stated before, the country is led by a tyrant. Maybe he really don't give a crap about his people or his nation's future. But that is the king's decision.

Further OOC: Guffingford, good call. Very good call.

[OOC: Excuse me, "Greater Valia", but I don't know who made you the all-knowing rule maker or II (I've never seen you post before). Although the 100 million rule was popular a while back, most respected RPers on II dont go along with that any more. My personal view is that if the nation in question can RP (and that doesn't mean if they act responsibly or act how I want them to with their nukes - that's their own IC decision) then I will accept it. If they godmod... well I ignore godmodders anyway, regardless of whether or not they have nukes.]

[OOC: You probly havent seen me post before because I stay mainly in the Earth II threads and come out here only when something looks interesting. But really, if the rule is so unpopular anymore get the mods to remove the sticky. Wait, I forgot it was there for a reason... that being to keep people from getting nukes in mere days from their founding and then procede to destroy entire fleets of ships with complete disregard from the consequenses.]

OOC: *Leaves, due to the fact that I foresee a massive nuke fest
IC: Bane wrote one last letter regarding the conflict,

Message to all involved parties,
We are hereby the worse excuses I have seen for nations, especially those who use the weapons of mass destruction. You are no better then a starting nation, who only wants to annoy people. All of us are trying to prevent a nuclear holocaust? Well all we are doing is simply starting it, giving it the fuse to light if you will. You preach national sovereignty and (to those attacking FC) peace, yet you use weapons that kill millions, or prepare to kill millions and you have the audacity to go and call yourself respectable and powerful nations, just let the nation have his nukes and become a dangerous nation.


Emperor Bane The XXXV
Dread Lord of the Dracun Imperium
Bringer of Discord and Chaos

http://www.sith.pl/bots/sith/slynni_lordowie/pliki/darthsion0.jpg

The country of Pael denounces this madness and begs all sides to come to their senses. While Feline Catfish may have acted in an arrogant and frustrating manner, that is no reason to declare a blockade, much less wage war! What sort of nations are so bloodthirsty that they see the acquisition of power by an obscure country as a threat they must kill millions to answer? Ankhmet, especially, has shamed its people and stuck a finger in the eye of international diplomacy and cooperation with her repeated beligerence and hostility towards all parties involved. Cease this idiocy and sit down to talk out a solution!

Towards this end, Pael has dispatched a small medical convoy to the beleagured country of Feline Catfish. Because of the lack of available harbors, the convoy will have to dock at that which is currently under fire. We ask that the attacks be halted long enough for our supplies to reach the needlessly dying people, and if any of the ships are attacked, overtly or by some strange "coincidence," Pael will not fail to answer. If you truly want to make the world "more peaceful," we suggest you step down and talk about your problems as civilized beings generally do, instead of throwing a temper tantrum because some country you don't like got its hands on nuclear weapons.

OOC:




Ankhet, please stop the n00bishness. Declaring a blockade without cause, then attacking a country for an extremely suspicious "attack"? Along with the fact that there is no way in hell your country could support 250 Nimitz carriers, or that so many ships could possibly fit into an area of the ocean smaller than the Indian Ocean, and a ".7 Gigaton" nuclear weapon 20 times more powerful than any ever developed, with a couple severe caps in the way of more power? And you're willing to go n00ktastic with magical SCRAMjet gigaton missiles? Seriously, please find a way to politely back out before your nation gets glassed and you become the largest MagicChina ever.

I think somebody managed to get to you.

....then procede to destroy entire fleets of ships with complete disregard from the consequenses.]

He seems pretty much resigned to the consequences. That's what happens when your leader is one guy who makes all the decisions. Or is he not allowed on II because his nation isn't democratic?

Dracun Imperium: This was precisely the point of Pael, and we are glad to see that others also realize the sheer insanity of the situation. We can only hope that further nations will respond with the intelligence and reason of the Dracunii and prevent absolute nuclear holocaust over several countries. We also congratulate the Dracunii on having a much more compassionate absolute leader than the denizens of Feline Catfish.

I wish you would understand that its not because youre a young nation that im so hostile towards you its because you are showing a complete disregard for the rules of II. All im asking you to do is wait a month until you can officially have nuclear weapons. Thats it. Theres nothing so hard to understand about that. And another thing saying you can just nuke an entire fleet is the ultimate n00bish thing you could possibly do. Dont you realize that the nuclear fallout caused by the size of the warhead you detonated would cause your entire homeland to turn into a irradiated hell reminisant of Chernobyl? Wait, I forgot that you just dont give a shit. And for the record you are not a n00b nation, you are a "new" nation who just happens to be a n00b.
ooc: I dont care if you think it's a rule, neither Praetonia, North East Somerset or Pael think there's a "rule" about that and I'll go with the majority. I also cant find it in the stickies. If you can, then I will ceade that at least, but I still will not "obey" it, because the stickies also say that this is free-form RP and I can do what I like so long as it's realistic. And why is nuking a fleet n00bish? I mean is there some new law of physics that means you cant fire nuclear weapons at fleets? Please tell, good sir, for I dont have a bloody clue what you're on about. I resent your implication that Im not prepared to RP the consequences of this attack. Did you even read my post? My King thinks the whole nation will be wiped from the face of the planet! Anyway, I've decided I don't want you to post here anymore, so no more posts from you in this thread, or I'll report you to the moderators!

ooc: Makaar: The missiles weren't all fired at the same place, no offence, but I'm not thick... they're all aimed at different parts of the fleet to ensure coverage of the whole thing, and they're programmed to detonate at the same time for obvious reasons. I also find it hard to believe that your ship CIWS has a 99.5% success rate against ICBMs (which so ye know, explode above ground level as the air-shock wave has been found to cause more damage than the fireball part and the EMP after effects will fry pretty much all of your electronics).

Guffingford's 'to do' list in this war:

Destroy Makaar (in progress)
Destroy Ankhmet (without godmodding fleets)
Destroy Someone else who happens to say B when I find it's A.

As long as FC agrees not to use those weapons under any circumstances save as a retaliatory strike - Even then, he must clear proper channels and ensure he has the right target...

Agreed? That is, in a way, perhaps the best deal everyone's going to get...

OOc: im not sure about this but Ill edit this if needed.

The 15 ship fleet was injured side for the 5 destoyers that were way behind. The subs were destroyed and the 5 ships ahead were gone to. the huge aircraft carrier was totally wrecked. It was a useless heap of metal that was quickly sinking. The 5 destoryers crarefull came and picked up surviors.

Meanwhile in zackaroths war room

The High leader looked disgusted. " alot of those men are going to from the radiyion. When they get back i want them quratined and checked out. Now the 35 shipsi had waiting are still there??" he said

A guard shook his head.

" Good. Send 15 more to aid Makaar . Have them pull the same stunt with the copters." said the high leader.

[OOC: You probly havent seen me post before because I stay mainly in the Earth II threads and come out here only when something looks interesting. But really, if the rule is so unpopular anymore get the mods to remove the sticky. Wait, I forgot it was there for a reason... that being to keep people from getting nukes in mere days from their founding and then procede to destroy entire fleets of ships with complete disregard from the consequenses.]
[OOC: Errr... do you realise that mods dont write the stickies, yes? Nor do they moderate RP, yes? Nor do any of them really care about II, since they all RP on the NS forum or don't RP at all, yes? Your arguments really don't stand up to much, and your constant defence of an attitude that was popular in early 2004 only seems to be irritating. Regardless, FC has asked you to leave his thread, so I suggest you do or you could be subject to moderator action.]

Makaar, your time has passed. Count your hours. The renewed Guffingfordii navy was only a few days away from Makaar, but knowing the nuclear weapons are already flying around, there's no point in staying behind. To make the situation even more dangerous, the Firestorm Arsenal ships all carry extremely heavy payloads of sarin and smallpox - the genticly enhanced version. From mainland Guffingford, and outer space preparations were being made to wipe Makaar off the map, and the face of the earth. The ortillery platforms, recently refilled with nuclear arms began to release their deadly cargo when they were in orbit above Makaar. In the high atmosphere the nuclear weapons will detonate, throwing Makaar back to the 17th century. But that isn't enough - Makaar had to be destroyed completely. This was the only outcome the Guffingfordii military command has in mind.

From ICBM platforms in Guffingford missiles. All fuel-air missiles and chemical missiles (also sarin) will be launched the minute the EMP's have struck, a total of thirty thousand would be enough, fifteen thousand sarin, and fifteen thousand fuel-air missiles. The nuclear weapons exploded and nothing could stop the EMP. The graphite missiles will be launched at all major powerstations throughout their pathetic excuse for a country, expected to disable all remaining powersupplies. Makaar was bound to have counter measures, but due to the sheer size of this attack, the chance of a substantial amount of missiles penetrating their defensive web was high.



Pael congratulates Guffingford on the production of a very nice government documentary on what you would do to Makaar if you really wanted to. We are all very impressed. However, given the nature of the tensions between involved nations at the moment, we suggest you make very clear that you by no means actually intend to do anything like that proposed in your television program. Especially because sarin or smallpox ICBMs would be rather questionable in their function, given the whole Mach 15 release of the compounds.

OOC: Editted, and my satellites are protected against such jamming rays. Guffingford isn't the first tinpot dictatorship on a rampage you know. And if you see something that might look like posting losses: IT IS AN ASSUMPTION MADE BY MY MILITARY HEADQUARTERS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGES.

IC:
Makaar, your time has passed. Count your hours. The renewed Guffingfordii navy was only a few days away from Makaar, but knowing the nuclear weapons are already flying around, there's no point in staying behind. To make the situation even more dangerous, the Firestorm Arsenal ships all carry extremely heavy payloads of sarin and smallpox - the genticly enhanced version. From mainland Guffingford, and outer space preparations were being made to wipe Makaar off the map, and the face of the earth. The ortillery platforms, recently refilled with nuclear arms began to release their deadly cargo when they were in orbit above Makaar. In the high atmosphere the nuclear weapons will detonate, throwing Makaar back to the 17th century. But that isn't enough - Makaar had to be destroyed completely. This was the only outcome the Guffingfordii military command has in mind.

From ICBM platforms in Guffingford missiles. All fuel-air missiles and chemical missiles (also sarin) will be launched the minute the EMP's have struck, a total of thirty thousand would be enough, fifteen thousand sarin, and fifteen thousand fuel-air missiles. The nuclear weapons exploded and nothing could stop the EMP. The graphite missiles will be launched at all major powerstations throughout their pathetic excuse for a country, expected to disable all remaining powersupplies. Makaar was bound to have counter measures, but due to the sheer size of this attack, the chance of a substantial amount of missiles penetrating their defensive web was high.

OOC2: To clarify:
30 nuclear weapons detonated in atomosphere above Makaar; 3 ortillery platforms activated.
8000 graphite/MIRV missiles launched at powerplants, number of missiles is equally divided over every single powerplant.
When the EMPs have done their damage, you can expect 15,000 Fuel-Air ICBMs knocking at your door, and to make matters worse (for you) you can feel the love of 15,000 sarin missiles.

OOC:

I thought ortillery was frowned upon and/or called "semi-godmod" in Modern-Tech RP's. Also, Makaar could intercept your ortillery platforms, preventing them from taking station directly above his territory.

Any "Space Tech" RP'er worth his / her salt would have established space defenses to prevent enemy satellites / platforms from taking station directly above the defender's lands. By "Space Tech" I mean ortillery, space nukes, space missiles, etc.

Just giving my 2 cents.

"I have shown you all that I am not bluffing, now please - agree to respect my sovereignty and leave Feline Catfish. Any further ships to be sent to Feline Catfish will also be destroyed in the same manner."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

OOC: When the sweet merciful hell was that "rule" added? It doesn't even jive with real world politics (Israel, North Korea)! I understood that, generally, small nations were not allowed nuclear weapons because it caused an awful lot of havok, but in this case FC made a request and found nations to comply without doing anything stupid, and he didn't even use them until blatantly violated by several other, larger, nations. I see no violation of general RP principles there, while those who just arbitrarily invaded FC because they "don't like small nations have nukes" are definately taking some serious liberties with, you know, diplomacy and realism.

Countless things here dont jive with real world politics. And these ludicrous claims that big nations dont like small ones with nukes are really laughable so I wont even go into detail how absurd they are. But I will say this, the rules regarding nuclear weapons were made for a reason, namely to keep god modders from getting their hands on them until they spend enough time here to acutally have them.

OOC: You have no right to make that demand, or any, of another nation. Furthermore, FC did not "nook their fleetz," he launched nuclear missiles at them. Their effectiveness has yet to be determined, but will probably not be so hot. And, as I stated before, the country is led by a tyrant. Maybe he really don't give a crap about his people or his nation's future. But that is the king's decision.

Yes, he lauched nuclear missles at them. Meaning unless God himself somehow came down out of heaven and diverted the missles from hitting the target then there will most likely be an explosion creating fallout, massive loss of life, etcetera. And he already explained that the king is a popularist monarch who has no real power in the government (think UK).

But moving on, I dont like to spam other peoples threads with mindless OOC chatter. While I did attempt to rp a diplomatic solution to FC's nuclear crisis it went largely (completly?) ignored from the rest of you who seem so keen on attacking me. So, it appears that FC will keep his ICBMS and whatnot and theres not anything I can do about it other than preach on my soapbox so to speak.

OOC: Ortillery carrying nuclear weapons were already developed by the Soviets I believe, tungsten rods on the other hand are lame as hell and ineffective as firing paper airplanes at incoming tanks from one mile.

IC:
We thank the nation of Pael but we just like throwing in the scare factor of chemical and biological weaponry. In fact, I just gave my fiat for the strike on Makaar. I hope someone stays alive to commit genocide.

A day without genocide is a day not lived.

OOC: Yeah, well no offence mate but Im not interested in your opinion anymore. If I want someone to talk down to me and tell me I'm a moron then I'll ask them to, and I certainly won't ask you. Im most displeased with said service which you have so kindly provided this time.

EDIT: That was at Greater Valia

ooc: I dont care if you think it's a rule, neither Praetonia, North East Somerset or Pael think there's a "rule" about that and I'll go with the majority. I also cant find it in the stickies. If you can, then I will ceade that at least, but I still will not "obey" it, because the stickies also say that this is free-form RP and I can do what I like so long as it's realistic. And why is nuking a fleet n00bish? I mean is there some new law of physics that means you cant fire nuclear weapons at fleets? Please tell, good sir, for I dont have a bloody clue what you're on about. I resent your implication that Im not prepared to RP the consequences of this attack. Did you even read my post? My King thinks the whole nation will be wiped from the face of the planet! Anyway, I've decided I don't want you to post here anymore, so no more posts from you in this thread, or I'll report you to the moderators!

EDIT: I concede my point and apologize for spamming your thread (like I said earlier).

Read my second to last post from this...
Praetonia answered that I believe. Feel free to read his post and continue this argument by telegram. Now please leave my thread, you're clogging it with OOC rubbish.

PRIVATE COMMUNIQUE:

TO: Reigning Monarch of Feline Catfish.
FROM: Alice Wunderlund, International Diplomacy Division.

You've outlined that you wish to use these weapons as defensive strikes? If you would be so kind as to outline what kind of situations exactly would warrant such heavyhanded retaliation?

OOC:

I feel I need to add something regarding nuclear weapons.

I believe that it is the right of smaller nations to launch nuclear strikes aganist an overwhelming invasion force in an attempt to improve odds.

Suppose Nation A is a nation with 20 million people total.

Nation B is a 1.5 billion nation.


Nation B decides to invade, and sends a massive 1500 ship fleet aganist Nation A, with 10 million man invading army.

Nation A should be justified and allowed to nuke the 1500 ship fleet and 10 million man invading army. This would mean that Nation B pays for its foolishness, losing a good amount of troops and naval forces. Nation B is thus weakened considerably, and wide open for invasion from its enemies.

Besides, I am sure Israel and North Korea would employ nuclear weapons aganist massive armys numbering in the millions that are invading them. Common sense.

This says this best...

"If you are going down, take the big boys down with you by any means possible."

PRIVATE COMMUNIQUE:

TO: Reigning Monarch of Feline Catfish.
FROM: Alice Wunderlund, International Diplomacy Division.

You've outlined that you wish to use these weapons as defensive strikes? If you would be so kind as to outline what kind of situations exactly would warrant such heavyhanded retaliation?
"As I have said many times, and am now in fact getting rather fed up of saying, my forces will fire in the event of vital supplies being cut off by blockade, or when there is imminent danger of invasion."

KGIII

PRIVATE COMMUNIQUE:

TO: Reigning Monarch of Feline Catfish.
FROM: Alice Wunderlund, International Diplomacy Division.

Right-o. Expect you to stand by that. No bullying other nations now.

BROADCAST:

TO: Belligerent Nations
FROM: Alice Wunderlund, IDD.

If he would only use his weapons when someone was invading, then there's no need for this needless violence, cease your warmongering and concentrate on nations that would actually USE such weapons aggressively.

'That will just fan the flames of annoyance. Larger nations may see this as a precident, and may be worried it will start a trend.'

'I disagree. There is much more responsibility in FC than the other, smaller nations.'

OOC: What a mess. To anyone who says that the first shots were fired by the blocade, they weren't. The first shots were fired by a submarine from Feline Catfish.

Feline Catfish, how would I describe a submarine of yours. Would it be a Feline Catfishian submarine, or something else. If so, what, as I don't want to offend you.

Hogsweat, that telegram was secret IC. For future reference, any telegrams sent to specific nations are automatically assumed to be coded and secret IC. This time, I'll let it pass.

Apologies for the long OOC in this message.

IC:

Official Statement from the Government of UNIverseVERSE

Due to the way that this conflict has developed into Nuclear War, UNIverseVERSE is going to put it's mobilisation on hold and watch. We will be sending in UNIverseVERSEian NBC teams to Feline Catfish when this is over, in an attempt to help clean up this mess.

President William Jacobus

ooc: That's technically true, but as my nation sees it, you committed the act of war because you cut off food from my nation. On the other hand, the actual first shots were fired by ships that I don't have flying Catfish flags and you dont know who the sub belonged to, so *shrug*. It would be simply the Feline Catfish Submarine, btw.

OOC: Yeah, I know they were all aimed at different places... One nuke got through because not only did the entire fleet open up with anti-missile guns, but jets did as well, and even steered themselves in the path of the missiles, and so did assorted helicopters. Basically everything we could muster. The guns don't have a 99.5% effectiveness rate - more like 60%, if that - but the planes and everything would have counted for something. With the number of jets I had, you were lucky I let one through.

IC:

Makaar's troops continue to advance up the beach against heavy resistance, and missiles firing at them from off shore and NES ships. Troops on the landing craft fired RPGs at the Feline Catfish positions. All they had to do was hold out before the rest of the Makaarian force arrived, which would hopefully be within the hour.

Stiding up the beach, line after line of Makaarian marine went down in the battle. They dropped to the ground, as they had been instructed, and dug out a small dent in the sand to lie down in. Many sought refuge in the holes that the NES missiles had left. Many more threw grenades over and into the Feline Catfish lines.

From above, A-10 Thunderbolts and F-16s bombed the rear lines of the FC defence in an attempt to thin it out. The Chinooks landed their troops in the shallow areas of the sea, and they waded up the beaches, doing their best to crouch. Finally, the 20 tanks rolled out of the transport ships and opened fire on the FC positions.

OOC: Feline Catfish, I understand where you're coming from, but if you threaten to nuke anyone who attempts to invade you, no one is ever going to want to RP with you. Just though I'd point that out.

IC:
To All Involved Nations:
The Empire of Malkyer has noted with distress the conflict over Feline Catfish, which has tragically escalated to the nuclear level. While the Royal Government has no love for the nation of Feline Catfish, we understand the importance of diffusing this situation before more destruction is caused. Therefore, we urge all involved parties to put down their weapons and negotiate a settlement peacefully, whether in Malkyer or some other neutral nation.

[OOC: Standard RP protocol dictates that a blockade -- which as I understand it is what this has been called by the nations that have sent their fleets to surround Feline Catfish -- is an act of war. In that case, Feline Catfish is within his rights to retaliate.

If you had called it a defencive quarantine and only denied military equipment (namely, the nuclear weapons) from FC but allowed foodstuffs and other essential non combat materials, he wouldn't have had nearly as much of a case as he does now.

And as for the "rule," I don't think it was intended to be a hard and fast policy that every RPer HAD to obey, but the instances of a new RPer being able to realistically RP the buildup of a nuclear arsenal were so rare that the guideline was established. Praetonia realistically posted a nuclear buildup when he had a 97 million population. If you want my honest opinion, the first post could be considered somewhat n00bish (the threat of "you will know fear, namely).]

Not once did we say we were stopping the transit of food supplies, we were only attempting to stop the nukes from getting through. Food would have been allowed through, of course. It was not our place to starve them to death, only to stop them from getting hold of the nukes. We failed there, so we're taking them off them, much the same way one takes scissors from a young child.

(OOC: Sorry FC, but we are at war!)

OOC: Yeah, I know they were all aimed at different places... One nuke got through because not only did the entire fleet open up with anti-missile guns, but jets did as well, and even steered themselves in the path of the missiles, and so did assorted helicopters. Basically everything we could muster. The guns don't have a 99.5% effectiveness rate - more like 60%, if that - but the planes and everything would have counted for something. With the number of jets I had, you were lucky I let one through.


OOC:For the record, a ICBMs Warhead, when reentering the atmosphere, comes down at mach 15-20. It is shielded to prevent air friction and heat from burning it up/causing it to explode. Mach 15-20 is far to fast for guns to track. The missiles also would come down so fast that jets wouldnt be able to suicide in time. The only way you can intercept the warhead is either with a laser or intercepting it with a Anti-Ballistic Missile(one which has no other purpose except that). The former usually involves sattelites, the latter involves large missiles.

((OOC: But none of his actions have been anything but what he told you would happen if you attempted to halt trade or attacked... He gets the nuclear devices, he announces himself off limits... I think it's a case of comfort. He's a free agent, unbound by your policies, so you're uncomfortabe with his armament. Leave him be and see if anything happens. Worst case scenarios will plunge at least two nations into hell. Stop this madness and simply acknowledge his access to nuclear weaponry as a defensive measure.

OOC:For the record, a ICBMs Warhead, when reentering the atmosphere, comes down at mach 15-20. It is shielded to prevent air friction and heat from burning it up/causing it to explode. Mach 15-20 is far to fast for guns to track. The missiles also would come down so fast that jets wouldnt be able to suicide in time. The only way you can intercept the warhead is either with a laser or intercepting it with a Anti-Ballistic Missile(one which has no other purpose except that). The former usually involves sattelites, the latter involves large missiles.

OOC: Yeah, but like he said, they didn't re-enter the atmosphere, because they never left it, they took a flat flight path because of the relatively short distance between my fleet and his, so let's assume they were travelling at maximum Mach 2 and fighting against gravity, not with it.

ooc: OOC: Feline Catfish, I understand where you're coming from, but if you threaten to nuke anyone who attempts to invade you, no one is ever going to want to RP with you. Just though I'd point that out.
You mean no one is going to want to invade me, which is afterall a good thing from my point of view, is it not?

"Good god! Listen to these Makaar people! They think that beasue they only wanted to destroy a transport full of nuclear weapons that makes it ok. We are not the danger here, but this irresponsible band of morons and psycopaths willing to risk nuclear war merely to remove a nation's ability to defend inself supposedly in the name of peace, whilst at the same time defending its actions by saying it only ever intended to detonate several tonnes of weapons grade uranium!

Not only that, but these people regard us as illiterate children merely because we have small population. Did Britain not control 1/4 of the world's surface with just 40 million people? Did Rome not conquer all of Europe with just one city? Have we not produced great scholars, great artworks, great literature! We shall not bow to these Fascists who think they are a master race, looking down upon us merely because of a matter of numerical demographics! We shall not be treated in this way, and neither should the world accept these "things" to treat us in this way! For the liberty of our people, we shall bever surrender."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

OOC: I should also point out that dedicated ABMs systems in real life cant even hit nuclear missiles unless they're painted bright orange. I think that a 99.5% success rate with pop-guns on ships and a "you're lucky you got that" tacked on is a bit borderline godmodish, but I'll let it slide so the RP doesnt bog down.

OOC: Oh good. Oh, by the way, any time you want to RP a counter-attack to my invasion (or even your surrender, whatever), you just feel free to jump in there! Also, Makaar is not a fascist nation, it recently underwent a democratic government change and is listed (proudly) as an "Inoffensive Centralist Democracy"...or something.

ooc: Sorry about this, but ignored! I have no respect for people who use nukes at the best of times, but to start a war by launching two hundred nukes, thats just ridiculous. Frankly, I think all the big RPers who are defending FC should be ashamed. This person comes in, and by his hundredth post is sending two hundred nukes at some fleet. Ridiculous.

OOC:
A nuke witha gigaton range yeild is theoretically possible (they were bandied about quite a bit in the 80s as the best defence against the Asteroid of doom) but they woudl far too big to be of any possible use (IIRC the asteroid killer would have had to have been built in orbit as we coudl enevr develope a missile to launch it from the surface).
Also theya re horrendously inefficent, in the end you get more destruction by ringing a city with 10 5-20megaton warheads than you would be droppign a single giaton weapon on the centre...

Actually Quite a few NS nations large and small have a last ditch nuclear halocaust as part fo their standard doctrine, i know i do, but to get to that stage you would have had to have sunk my navy, killed my airfroce and have at least an Army group on the shores of Crookfur island, never mind dealin with the nearby alliance bases...

Like everythign on NS the 100mil limit is merely a giudeline not a ahrd and fast rule.

Anyway enough of the OOC claptrap

IC:
The Crookfur bomber Fleet was mee hours away when Crookfur sats and ground stations detected the telltale signals of a nuclear detoantion.

"Alpha wing this is Stratcom, we have confirmation of a nuclear detoantion on or near your target, pull back to holding lcoation Echo Lima Mike Charlie 123 and await futher instructions, we have tankers in bound to that location."

With tanker support the Bomber wing could maintain a holding patern for a number of hours before reachign a final go/no go decision point.

Channels are hurrdied opened to to allied comand units in the area to fidn out what was happening as Crookfur intel assets strive to gain a clearer pciture (nuke detoantions have a tendency to screw up recce platform intel).

OOC: Check his first few posts, he makes a compelling argument, and he DID outline anyone who stopped trade and attacked him would be attacked.

This is a new -if rather hostile - international relation, by FC. Legally you have no right to be there.

The second 15 flweet arrived bu moved around the first flleet. They started filling men on the second aircraft carrier. They went on apaches just like Makaars forces. They only had 800 men travling though. but they had an ace up there sleeve. Also as with the first aircraft carrier they to had cropdusters for unkown reasons. the apaches hurridly speed torwards the battle

OOC: Sanctaphrax, please stop cluttering this thread with your opinions. If you don't have anything to RP, then don't post!

And I am aware of the irony of commenting OOC in an attempt to denounce it so please don't bother pointing that out.

EMERGENCY BROADCAST:

TO: All nations in region
FROM: Emergency Nuclear Warning system

All neutral states please begin evacuation programs and await further tactical scans. This is not a drill - Nuclear attack imminent.

'TACCOM - Copperhead requesting permission to launch.'
'Roger that Copperhead, permission granted, good luck out there.'

The sleek VTOL ship launched from its carrier, cranking up its active sensor arrays, seeking out the bombers and slowly pinpointing their location on a tacmap. Far behind, the carrier's strike craft, atmospheric fighters with heavy anti-bomber weaponry were being transported to the catapults.

'Copperhead to strike craft, targets are painted.'

'Roger Copperhead. Target data routed. We have them, ETA six minutes.' The fighters were methodically launched outwards, quickly forming up and making a beeline towards the bombers. The squadron was still awaiting confirmation...

'Copperhead to TACCOM, confirm strike craft away and inbound.'
'Confirmed, Copperhead. Targeting window 6 minutes. Engagement in 10, if determent fails.'

The Scarecrows:
Would those the Crookfur bombers you are heading for? that does seem a little odd as from what i ahve read youa r eon FC's side as am I.

Notiuce the thign about them still beign serval hours away which puts the range at about 2000km.
Also i'm soemwhat confused by the description of your aircraft, its seems to me that they might be vaguely future tech, feel free to educate me.
if it helps a few breif detaisl of the Crookfur bomber fleet
Super vulcans, think the cold war british vulcan bomber, with modern TV engines, fly by wire and tip top avionics inclduing semi AWACs level radar.
Weaposn laod of 1 XM-28 ship killer 5000lb rocket assited glide bomb and about 6 XRAAMs and 4 ASRAAMs
SEAD Vuclans: as above but repalce XRAAMs and ship killers with jammign gear and anti radiation crisue missiles
B-2s, fairly standard B2s but armed with ship killers
EB-52: its B-52 with 9m jamming atennas (look it up its a real life project)
AL-52: Dale Brown style B-52 with a laser...

((I'm about two decades ahead of MT in this RP.

The Copperhead's practically an Osprey outfitted with a large tactical sensor suite.

The Atmospheric fighters are Dragon 2s (http://www.artemisgames.com/robotech/Aircraft/Dragon.html).

And my Carrier's a secret.

And I'm on everyone's side, if the FC launches, the others will retaliate, and I don't want ANY of them to be bombed. The Fighters will deter you from dropping, but won't engage unless forced to.))

'Azure Leader to Bomber Fleet at Tactical East mark, what are your intentions?' Came Azure Lead, gripping the controls lightly as he began comms link.

The early hours of the morning brought with them a thick masking fog, completely hiding any sign of the Black Fleet. Of course, any RADAR would pick up the 1094 vessel fleet, but visual identification would be next to impossible.

Admiral Kamov still wasn't sure where the fleet would be striking... Makaars fleet or Makaar proper. It all depended on what happened to its fleet... Kamov looked to each side, his ship, the AMS. Red Star was flanked by two other superdreadnaughts of the same classification, the AMS. Sarzonia and AMS. Praetonia. Each displaced 2.8 million tons of water, and had more weapons than many fleets... Kamov felt sorry for the puny Makaarians... they had no clue what they had gotten themselves into.

'Copperhead to Betelgeuse, I have a large fleet heading in, large contacts, dreadnaughts, possibly bigger. ArchAngel is reporting IR contacts and a couple of hundred heat coronas. I'm sending what tactical data there is. I'm heading towards the shoreline, I'll set down at a neutral airbase and then meet you at the rendezvous. See you soon.' The Copperhead inverted and twisted away from the patrol position, shutting down its active sensors and going to passive mode.

'Azure Squadron here, we have bombers on active scopes, we're pinging them to get their loving attention. Goddamn it. I'll try comming them again, and then we'll go within engagement range.' The Lead said, fidgeting in his seat before looking out at his wingman.

Meanwhile, back aboard the Betelgeuse, the captain relayed orders. A tanker had just launched and circled lazily above the carrier, before flaring off towards the shoreline.

'Betelgeuse to all craft, we're going to silent mode now, rendezvous at Nav 4 and refuel if needed. We'll meet up at neutral zone at 2000 hours.' The carrier shut off its comms relay and active sensors, running lights deactivated, and the ship began to pull away from the last known position of the unknown fleet.

Oxygen at 95,000 feet was hard to come by, if at all. Captain O'Connor tugged at his oxygen mask - it had been chaffing his mustache, much to his annoyance. The parts of his face that were not covered by the mask and helmet were almost a purple colour tone, it was incredibly cold at this altitude.

They were coming up upon their target... it had been a very long flight. In the rear of the cabin, was the four bunks which housed the other four crew-members. Their shift was over, and now it was time for O'Connor and his three mates to take over for this leg of the journey. Four other EB-15 Arkbirds trailed behind his own, each carrying the exact same payload - 14 AM-98 Anti-shipping missiles. Their massive range meant he wouldn't have to get to close, but might as well take some precautions. O'Connor reached across the control panel, flipping on the pallas athena. They would be virtually invisible to any search RADARs now, enough to prevent detection at such an extreme range.

Just as O'Connor was releasing a long well deserved yawn, a quiet ding sounded off informing the captain they had reached their 12th waypoint - it was time to launch.

"Ok boys, do we have clearance for launch?" O'Connor swivled his head to his Comms Officer who gave him a curt nod. "Aye, confirmation remains, zero-zero-niner-one-five-seven-niner-six-eight-three-zero-zero-four."

O'Connor turned to the otherside of the massive cockpit; "Captain McGahrity, confirm authorization?" McGahrity looked down at his LCD "authorization confirmed at zero-zero-niner-one-five-seven-niner-six-eight-three-zero-zero-four, good to go Captain." And finally, last but not least, Captain Donovan; "Captain, authorization is confirmed. Launch is hot, repeat hot."

O'Connor looked forward, his eyes focused before him; "All aircraft, advise, Authorization is confirmed, operation is hot. Perform all checks and begin launch task in minus 60 seconds. Commence!". A Series of checks and rogers greeted him back over the airwaves from the other aircraft as they prepared their own weapons. Donovan gave O'Connor the thumbs up, all weapons were ready. Now he looked to McGahrity; "Captain, targets identified by SkyEye, missiles prepared and hot. Ready on your orders."
"Good, 30 seconds. Maintain lock until 15 seconds!"
Each second dripped by, an eternity at a time. A buzzer rang within their helmets, "Unlock arms, open bay doors!"
"Aye, missiles prepped," McGahrity was intrupped by another, louder buzzer, "Fuck, Captain! Missile 9 still locked! Your suggestions?"

O'Connor snapped out of his daze... what dickery is this? "Well John, don't launch Missile 9 then... god damnit I would have thought that to be obvious."
"Yes, sorry sir." A second later the cockpit turned red, and bells rang off. Inside the bays the massive revolvers that carried seven missiles each began to cycle off all fourteen missiles, save for missile nine.

The contrails blinded the cockpit for a minute, but only a minute as they all dropped down towards the ocean. A massive explosion rocked the group of aircrafts - Red 4 was spiralling down to the ground - or what was left of it. One of the AM-98's locking mechanisms had jammed, and the missiles engine had engaged while it was still mounted in the massive bomber... firing right into the cockpit and detonating. The massive 1200kg warhead had disintigrated the forward fusalauge.

Sixty-Eight (68) AM-98 anti-shipping missiles remained, and were screaming in low and fast towards the Makaar fleet. Each was no more than 8m above the ocean, rising above waves, able to maneuver thanks to its LIDAR mapping guidance. Their targets had been attained by Satellite and AWACs... it would take a miracle to get them to miss now. Two missiles popped up to 250 feet, and another to 1,000 feet. From these positions the missiles could gain tactical information on their targets. These "lead" missiles would update the others in realtime right to their targets. The missiles would cycle in this role right to the point of impact.

As they closed with the enemy fleet at Mach 3, missiles and CIWS extended to swat down the missiles, but such pathetic attempts would do no good. They flew below the RADAR, and were armoured against 25mm CIWS... even if they did penetrate it would be at close range and the momentum would ensure the 9500kg missile would still smash into its target. Any missile would find itself destroyed thanks to its own altitude-cancellation restrictions... simply put the AM-98's just flew to low for the missiles. These missiles would not hit Cruisers or Frigates or any of the small fries... these were meant for the big fish. The Carriers and Battleships. Four missiles were confirmed to have splashed early due to guidance errors, while another three were claimed by CIWS and missiles - that was known of to that point in time.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Black Fleet sat back, Kirov gingerly watched the outcome by satellite knowing full well that his fleet alone had over 35,000 AM-98's ready to be launched.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

O'Connor had mixed emotions... he had just lost 8 good crew to a stupid mistake, but Donovan had saved him and the seven other men on this bird by asking O'Connor what he should do. Clearly the other arms master on the Red Four had not done the same and the results were obvious. O'Connor made a point to buy Donovan a pitcher of Stella Artois.

ooc: AM-98B = culmination of Artitsan and Omzian missile technologies... they are incredibly expensive and high-tech... I love them. The "B" Varient is a battleship killer... 1,200kg warhead.

OOC: Wow... I thought this thread was just for the purchase, so I was only paying attention to the other 2, and then someone pointed me to this again... No time to read 20-odd pages now, but I can do this...

IC:
President Zwimbala issued the following statement to its allies in the OMP fighting bravely on the seas:
We currently have elements of the 2nd Expeditionary Fleet [see OOC thread] en route to Feline Catfish, and they are nearing the area of the conflict. Please state how these forces can best help you in your mission to protect a defenseless young nation, and whether you are in need of heavy bomber support.

The Pintopian Navy's 3rd fleet was closing in on the conflict not knowing what to expect. Being a small fleet(6 destroyers and 3 aircraft carriers) they wondered what help they could be, but they had to at least give it a try.

"Nation of Feline Catfish let us know what assistance we can be. We only wish we could do more.(spent a little too much money starting that "Star Wars" Program.) We also needed to leave some protection on the homefront "Just in case."

'Azure Leader to Bomber Fleet at Tactical East mark, what are your intentions?' Came Azure Lead, gripping the controls lightly as he began comms link.

"Azure lead this Avenger Actual we are a CFAF bomber unit ona mission to relieve our new allies in Feline Catfish, we woudl advise that you do not stand in our way and deactivate your active sensors immediatly. We would advise to maintain at least 300km seperation between our formations to avoid any accidents."

As the last of the tanker aircraft departed the bomber wing turned towards the seas aroudn Feline Catfish and went into combat operation modes, a few Active sweeps are directed towards azure squadron as an indication of the seriousness of the situation.

While the Artitsan strike woul;d ahve hurt the Blockaders there weapon strikes were mere tickles comapred to the M-28X.

In other news the 12th Primary operational fleet is now about 1500km out

The submarines, long black metallic whales designed specifically to attack the heavy armored modern warships, streaked beneath the waves, running northward to Feline Catfishes.

We have dispatched our heavy First Runner Force, composed of Coral Dolphins. We are prepared to deploy more support should the situation escalate, but at the moment we are willing to utilize this fleet wherever it is most needed.

ooc: Short post, I know. Something more detailed will come later. For now, the OOC thread has a link to the Coral Dolphins.

[OOC: short post, but I have to RP this...]

IC:
Commodore Fortino was looking ahead into the infinite blue sea in front of him, and wondering when his majestic fleet would finally be able to be of some use. They were closing in on the target area. They'd there there any minute now.

[OOC2: Can someone describe where enemy and allied fleets are? Because quite frankly I have no idea where everyone is, and it'll be crap RP if I go "and then I launch missiles at the blockaders" and leave it at that.]

Of course Catfish, The Dictatorship Of Rainbirdtopia will welcomingly sell you nuclear weapons, all we need is for you to sign a pact which allows our industry to monoplise your country and moreover become a protectorate of Rainbirdtopia.

Good Day,
David McWillis.

Head of Nuclear weapons and industry in Rainbirdtopia.

OOC - After much disgust I am placing my hard ignore on Ankhmet. I wouldn't really like to delve into why, although if somebody must know they can telegram me.

UniVERSEverse, I see, i'm sorry I think I misinterpreted. Forget my message in that case.
IC:

With righteous fury the engines of the Tornado GDV Fighter Bombers ignited leaving a gash of yellow flame and the clear smell of petrol as the fighter bombers zoomed into the air from a Felinian Airbase. Only yesterday they had arrived to provide close air support for the defence of Feline Catfish and now they were in about to fight. The fifteen strong squadron kept in close formation, zooming straight across the Felinian countryside destined for the Makaar marines that had landed..

OOC - I'll give you time to respond Makaar, cos you might have radar or wahtever in teh area.

IC:
As that happened, the first SCVN in range of the Maakar fleet, began to initiate launching sequence of it's 242 combat aircraft. Catapults screeched as aircraft projected themselves into the air, the VTOL engines of the Harrier Spitfires' [my own little production] propelled the 22 squadrons of 11 aircraft each to their target of the remaining Maakar fleet...

The Spitfires kept in a tight close delta formation, missiles and armaments primed as they flew near the Artitsan fleet. The Spitfires had activated their IFF and the leader of the unit, WHISKEY-1 set up a comm line to the Artitsan flagship.

"WHISKEY1, Hotellian Alpha Foxtrot [Hogsweatian Air Force] to Artitsan Battlegroup, we are friendlies, do not fire. Requesting possible air support on striking of Maakar fleet, over."

:)

'freeform RP'

Roleplay.
Freeform.

Hmm.

Yes but that is why the roleplaying community decided to invent the ignore so that freeform roleplay wouldn't promote 250 Nimitz class CVNs and ignoring losses...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8749543&postcount=215

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8750036&postcount=231

Yes but that is why the roleplaying community decided to invent the ignore so that freeform roleplay wouldn't promote 250 Nimitz class CVNs and ignoring losses...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8749543&postcount=215

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8750036&postcount=231

Actually, I'm posting losses here:

1x interest in II due to haughty old nations.

Ankhmet is a mix of old soviet tech and future manufacturing and nanotech AIs. That isn't an excuse for not posting losses, I just don't spend all the time on NS. II is a normal person's nightmare. Fun is okay, as long as you keep to the conventions made up by a bunch of people who thin they're great because they found a website before everyone else. And your idea of fun is keeping strictly to real life. Part of the fun can be not sticking rigidly to realism. And as for my gigaton weapons, I'm Nearish future tech, about 2030, I can do that. Check my NSwiki for Sankh Horus. That backs that up.

As for my fleet, that's a combination of adhering to INGSOC style economic principles and being NFT. Also, did you know that prior to the proposed US invasion of Japan they were going to field a fleet of 3000 ships? That's more than I was using, and I'm bigger, and I'm a wartime economy.

ooc: Ankhmet Im not interested in playing against nanites, stupidly huge warheads and gigantic fleets (ie: more carriers than have ever been built in the history of the world). Tone it down or I'll consider ignoring you (the nuke remains ignored - even your allies have ignored it).

ooc: Ankhmet Im not interested in playing against nanites, stupidly huge warheads and gigantic fleets (ie: more carriers than have ever been built in the history of the world). Tone it down or I'll consider ignoring you (the nuke remains ignored - even your allies have ignored it).

So you can't read my last post? Go over it a couple of times more.

ooc: You said that you were a future tech nation, but you dont care that what other people think about it. Well frankly, I don't care much about you - you can RP modern, not godmodded fleets and weapons or I will ignore you.

ooc: You said that you were a future tech nation, but you dont care that what other people think about it. Well frankly, I don't care much about you - you can RP modern, not godmodded fleets and weapons or I will ignore you.

Read again, you're sloooowly starting to get it. You're so close. And I did point out the fleet isn't actually godmoded.

Read again, you're sloooowly starting to get it. You're so close. And I did point out the fleet isn't actually godmoded.
[OOC: A fleet with 250 carriers in it is pretty godmodded (and yes, following simple rules of English pronounciation, he is right in spelling it that way). At the time of World War II, every carrier in the world put together would not have made 250, and I doubt that many have ever been built. You should remember that the majority of navies now and then was made up of Frigates, Destroyers, Submarines and a few Cruisers. Capital ships were relative rare.]

Pointless telling me that now :rolleyes:

I'm currently in the 'burning as many bridges as possible' phase.

No. The word is godmode, not godmod.
So if the word was godmod (which it quite plainly isn't) he would be right.

Pointless telling me that now :rolleyes:

I'm currently in the 'burning as many bridges as possible' phase.

No. The word is godmode, not godmod.
So if the word was godmod (which it quite plainly isn't) he would be right.
OOC: Arguing over the spelling of godmod or godmode is similarly pointless. I've seen both written by RPers who spell equally well.

As for 250 carriers, especially nuclear carriers, that's at least 1.25 million personnel you are employing (minimum), not including support craft, which will require at least twice that many more, and Ingsoc economy or not, that's not on. I've fleets numbering in the thousands and have only 48 fleet carriers and 82 light carriers in my entire navy. The aircraft alone, never mind their weapons and the weapons for the carriers, are ridiculously expensive both in terms of labour and capital. The Americans in WW2 did not have 250 fleet carriers arrayed against Japan in 1945, but between 14-17 (Saratoga, Enterprise, and the Essex-class ships) if I remember correctly, as well as the Independence-class light carriers and a host of jeep carriers.

No. The word is godmode, not godmod.
So if the word was godmod (which it quite plainly isn't) he would be right.

[OOC: Lots of people say godmod. In fact, in my experience, the majority do. As Isselmere said, this argument is pointless anyway...]

Actually, I'm posting losses here:

1x interest in II due to haughty old nations.

Ankhmet is a mix of old soviet tech and future manufacturing and nanotech AIs. That isn't an excuse for not posting losses, I just don't spend all the time on NS. II is a normal person's nightmare. Fun is okay, as long as you keep to the conventions made up by a bunch of people who thin they're great because they found a website before everyone else. And your idea of fun is keeping strictly to real life. Part of the fun can be not sticking rigidly to realism. And as for my gigaton weapons, I'm Nearish future tech, about 2030, I can do that. Check my NSwiki for Sankh Horus. That backs that up.

As for my fleet, that's a combination of adhering to INGSOC style economic principles and being NFT. Also, did you know that prior to the proposed US invasion of Japan they were going to field a fleet of 3000 ships? That's more than I was using, and I'm bigger, and I'm a wartime economy.OOC: Ankhmet, a couple of things here.

Number one, the various conventions and rules have been in effect here in NS for a while, some of which were in effect long before I got here and will be in force long after I leave this game. A great many players of this game like realism or some version thereof. If you can't respect that, you should find a game where you can be as unrealistic as you want.

Number two, if you want to get involved with someone's RP, you need to respect their wishes as it pertains to how they want to play the game. If they don't want anything future tech, they have every right to ask that you not use nanites or anything of the sort. For your part, you need to put the nanites to the side and start playing within the realm of what Feline Catfish has asked you to do. If you don't, he has every right to ignore you.

This all goes back to a very basic principle: Respect. Namely, for the way various people choose to play the game. That does not include condescending responses to various things (especially the spelling of Godmod or Godmode) that people have said in this thread. If people want realism in a RP, you should either play realistically or don't RP with them. If people don't want anything future tech, don't play with your future tech toys.

You can call it haughty all you want, but you either learn to follow the "house rules" or you go find another game.

OOC: Can I remind people that in post 248 I fired 90 tomahawks from my subsat the feline catfish coastline to kill the invaders landing on the beaches.

Admiral to Fleet:

All the fleet is now 250km away from the FC coastline and is in International waters. We will return to FC island when support arrives from Praetonia, Guffingford, Artisra etc. and support them in the attack.

-snip- you go find another game.

Already have :D

It's called 'bait the RPer'.

And the majority is not necessarily correct.

OOC: As the invaders sat on the beach and set up their picnics, they waited for the Feline Catfish defenders to do something.

PLEASE FC, DO ANYTHING!

Oh, and NES, please read my posts, or has everyone fallen out of the habit of that? I said about the missiles, although you do know that you have pretty much eliminated the front line defence of the FC troops.

IC:

Across Makaar, people were being herded into underground shelters, and were being evacuated from large cities to stop a nuclear attack from killing too many people. Ambulance and clean-up crews were preparing for the huge influx of patients and nuclear material they were about to recieve, while makeshift triage centers were set up in the countryside and cargo ships siezed and converted to hospital ships.

At the same time, a 24-strong flight of F-16 ships set off from an Invincible-class aircraft carrier on patrol duties 1,000km south of the NES fleet. On a stealthy approach, they waited until the last second to begin their bombing run on the fleet there...

The ships carrying the reinforcement marines (a small fleet of 5 refit Ocean-class helicopter carriers with 2,000 marines between them) set off from a Makaarian Navy Base constructed in International Waters.

ooc: What? Where did you invade? And you can't just say you land troops - I have defences on the beaches, anti-ship missiles pointed out to see and artillery also. RP it stage by stage.

And don't forget his homeland is a burned, EMP fried chemical wasteland if he ever responds to my attack.

OOC: I invaded back on page 20 or thereabouts, with the remainers of the forces that escaped your nuclear bombardment. What is coming now is the reinforcements I promised. You've got a full-scale invasion on your hands, FC - I suggest you do something.

At the moment, we're just landing on one port and fighting for it. Several of the boats were of course sunk, and we only have 1,000 marines and 20 tanks on the beaches, but reinforcements are coming.

And don't forget his homeland is a burned, EMP fried chemical wasteland if he ever responds to my attack.

Addendum:

What the hell..? A page or so ago, you said it was just a threat! Besides, it was a very quick attack you fired at me. You posted it three times and have since said it was a "governmental documentary" or something.

Extra:

Feline Catfish Allies With Aliens, Destroys Invaders!
Hundreds Die as the Second Coming of Christ is Prophesied to End War!

-The Phantasmo Mangler, the World's Foremost Source for Tabloid News.

OOC:
makaar, F-16s can't operate from carriers, but that doesn't really matter so in my head i'll just read F-18 everytime you say F-16, oh and you can't launch much appart from harrirs from an invincible class.

IC:
At 500km distance and an altitude of 80,000ft the bomber force goes into full combat mode as sensors and ajmmers are brough on line at maximum power. Sensor signals from the blockade fleets are quicklyreceived and fed through analysis systems to produce an optimum jamming pattern.

At 300km the bomber Fleet enters the expected outer envelope of the Blockade's SAM capabilities, sensors wash blindingly across the sky searching for signs of any launches or signals that would indicate a positive radar lock. At this point the SEAD vulcans release thier M-34A Air Launched Anti Radiation Criuse Missiles. The medium sized missiles drop from the launch pylons and accelerae away, thier intial booster rocket drives them at almost super sonic speed through the thin air at that altitude before the turbojet sustainer kicks in and they descend to lower levels.

OOC: if anyone is left on the blockade side i'm givign you a chance to work your SAM systems so please take it.

IC: a mere 1000km away the 12th Primary Operational Fleet is likely beginnign to show up on people's radars so i'll psot a contents in the OOC thread.

ooc: Ok. I've decided I'm ignoring your invasion because you seem to have RPed it entirely by yourself without allowing me to defend myself. Therefore, we can take it instead from when the transports are approaching the beaches:

ic: "Your Majesty," an aide addressed his Monarch, bowing, "ships have been sighted off the Southern Coast."

The King arose and dismissed the aide, politely. He had been expecting nuclear retaliation for the past days, but so far none had come.

"It could just be scouts, Your Majesty," General Rotherham pointed out. The King remained silent for some time, before finally speaking. His voice was hushed and croaky, but firm,

"No Rotherham. This is it. Invasion. War has come to these lands."

Beach Defences, Southern Coast

Whistles blew as men stood-to. Their hastily dug trenches were badly made but deep - 7' deep at the center, and 5' from the firing step to the top of the parapet. Barbed wire littered the beach in front of them. Large craters were also to be spotted, put there by mortar ranging and artillery fire-practice. Mines were out there too - in the barbed wire, buried next to tank traps and generally scattered. Debris littered the beach. Anything that was not needed was thrown over the parapet in the hope of slowing the enemy for perhaps one vital second.

Each man had a rifle. Most were SA80s. There was a large stock of magazines and grenades in their firing-step ammunition holes. Behind the front-line trench was another support trench. Nothing joined the two underground. If the enemy were to take the beach, they must fight two entrenched enemies, not just one. Machine-gun pits littered the beach and machineguns were positioned on the high-ground to the left and right. Not far behind the lines mortars were positioned to fire into the oncoming enemy. Further back was tube artillery and guns scavenged from the tanks gifted by Wallis and Futuna.

Further behind that, the tanks that were manned stood ready. All 2,500 of them. They were not all that good - just machineguns, light cannon and 90mm AT guns - but they would slaughter the enemy infantry on the beaches. If it came to that. On the cliffs also were Yakhont SSMs in box launchers. As the men below stood-to, thirty missiles streaked off towards the enemy transport ships. When they got within range, the tube artillery would open up too. If they wanted to take Feline Catfish they would have to come through this beach, and every moment of it would be bloody murder.

OOC - what about the tanks and the rifles I gave you?

OOC - what about the tanks and the rifles I gave you?
ooc: Forgot about them. I'll use them as well!

Official Statement from the Grand Imperium of Risban

The Grand Imperium of Risban is utterly disgusted by the use of nuclear weapons and the blatant disregard for their destruction in this growing conflict. We urge all nations involved to call a cease-fire and discuss this in a civilized manner. I am sure that all of you know that a full-fledged nuclear war can lead to the end of humanity.
While our army is being prepared to move at the fastest warning, the Risban Empire is going to remain neutral in this conflict and attempt to make parties involved reach a diplomatic solution. However, should ANY of our friends or allies be harmed by any party involved in the conflict, our military forces will move at once against the nation that harmed them. If Risban itself is attacked, the entire army will be put into action and our nuclear arsenal will be prepared.
We hate war, because in a war all fighting lose in someway.
But, in a nuclear war, even those not involved lose. In a nuclear war, the entire world loses.
Halt this conflict before it spreads throughout other nations and all the fears of a nuclear war world war become reality.

In utmost sincerity and hope,
Emperor Robinson A. Scorpius

"Oh the destruction was anticipated, and indeed intentional... nations do generally intend to cause destruction when they emply nuclear weapons, do they not? We shall brook no aggression from nations such as Makaar. They were given good warning, and they disregarded our sovereignty regardless. We are not a weak people, and we shall not go down without a fight. With you, however, we have no quarrel. This is far from your lands and does not even concern you.

Good day."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

"Oh the destruction was anticipated, and indeed intentional... nations do generally intend to cause destruction when they emply nuclear weapons, do they not? We shall brook no aggression from nations such as Makaar. They were given good warning, and they disregarded our sovereignty regardless. We are not a weak people, and we shall not go down without a fight. With you, however, we have no quarrel. This is far from your lands and does not even concern you.

Good day."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish


You are gravely mistaken, King George. A nuclear conflict concerns the entire world.
We shall be monitoring the situation closely, and will continue to push for a diplomatic solution.

-Alexander Perkins, High Minister for Foreign Affairs

"Ah yes, the entire world... which is not affected in any way, but instead enjoys meddling in the affairs of other nations because they are "bored". You are pitiful."

KGIII

OOC:
For practicality reasons, should I even bother throwing my ships into the attack? I'm looking for an RP-oriented answer here... I've asked ICly a few times for my allies to give me some sort of cue, but that didn't work. So I'm asking, blatantly, OOCly. You can RP responses to this OOC because I said the same stuff IC,... just do something, please, to acknowledge my presence and tell me if I would be useful or just in the way and in danger of being nuked to pieces.

ooc: Makaar you have a lot of casualties to post, including from my attack and several others... plus this new one!

ic:
F/A-18's are not paticularily stealthy, and this fact was displayed as four seperate EB-15's running AWACs duty picked up the Makaar flight. Immediatly each carrier in the Black fleet threw up two Su-53's on Alert 5 duty, carrying full interception loadout. Forty planes all in all flew towards the F/A-18's at Mach 2.2 recieving constant updates from the AWACs aircraft, the real-time data ensured the flight of Su-53's were always one step ahead.

Approximtly 200 miles distance between the two flights of aircraft, the Artitsan pilots loosed their 6 AIM-121 NGLRAAM's each [240 missiles total] at the F/A-18's. Should any survive that strike, there was still another four AIM-122 NGMRAAMs and four AIM-123 NGSRAAMs...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Back in the Black Fleet, each carrier contained forty (40) F-144 Scylla bombers... a total of 800 aircraft. Each could carry two AM-98 Heavy Anti-Shipping Missiles and four AM-12 MAW Medium Attack Weapons. Waves of 80 F-144's flew towards the Makaar fleet, diving low, never rising above 1000ft, and their speed maintained about Mach 1.5 phenomenal for the altitude.

Approx 400km's from the Makaar fleet, the wave would launch their AM-98 anti-shipping missiles at any air defence vessels in the Makaar fleet... then they would close to loose their AM-12 MAW's upon the hapless fleet. Each wave would launch 160 AM-98's, then 320 AM-12 MAW's. 10 waves means quite a few missiles coming the fleets way. Once all the air-defence ships are destroyed, the remaining waves that still have their AM-98's will use them against the bigger targets such as Carriers and what not.

Generaladmiral Kurosawa Michiko was rather unique among regional commanders in that she made her flagship the Kanae Morino class carrier in her fleet instead of the more "powerful" Ragnarok battleship. Of course, having come up as an aviator, she was still far more at home here. However, right now, her prized aircraft could not participate in the battle. Though they had the range to strike, the situation was still very risky, especially with having just entered the combat zone and with all the escort ships and carriers still operational.
And now, the enemy was already starting an amphibious assault against Feline Catfish, so this whole endeavor could go sour very quickly, but the fleet was still too far away to do anything, and properly linking up with the allied fleets was much more favorable than trying to break through the blockading enemy alone to strike the beachead. She was beginning to regret taking command of this expedition herself - she could have easily delegated it to Admiral Winslow. But, it was too late to turn back now.

After thinking it over for several minutes, she made a decision, and quickly acted on it, ordering a second Kampfgruppe to be formed around the Megiddo, with the arsenal ships Inferno and Maelstrom as well as the entire 1st Bombardment Group; with 4 Sarasvati cruisers, 12 Arayashiki destroyers, 16 Mindbreaker frigates, and 8 Sowerby attack subs to act as escorts.
She then sent a message to the allied fleets.

"This is Generaladmiral Kurosawa of the Smoke Jaguar Navy's Kampfgruppe Stella Bratlavsky. At present, we have seen a number of small independant strikes, but no major coordinated efforts in this battle. This has resulted in the enemy beginning to land troops on Feline Catfish soil, and has also contributed to several nuclear launches. While individually, we can only slowly whittle away at enemy forces, our combined strength is easily enough to overwhelm them. However, we must make proper use of it for it to be effectived. Thus, in order to resolve this situation as quickly as possible, I suggest that we meet to discuss a joint operation to eliminate the blockading forces."

OOC: This is really just a comment on the RP as a whole. For the most part this isn't half bad. Oh, and I am hardly an expert Rp'er but I have read a boatload of stuff on these forums, just not posted much. Anyway, back on topic. Feline Catfish, you seem to be a very good and Knowledgeable role player. I am quite impressed with how much you know for someone just starting out. You are also obnoxious. While you could have the credit of saying your leader is a complete ass, you have lost that with your OOC comments. Even OOC you seem to be obnoxious. This is bad. Just try to keep your cool. Overall a good start though.

Other things, I have to say. Sorry FC these are towards you also. I know it is definetly not a good idea to have only one side to RP as beachhead. Yes Makaar, you should have waited for a response before saying your men actually hit soil. BUT, FC you took your jolly old time in replying. You were plenty happy to reply to other people's post, but did not reply to the attack. I know it can be hard to reply to all of them, so priotitize. I think a beach invasion is a high RP priority. Still its your thread so whatever.

This on is to Makaar. I know launching 200 warheads is insane beyond all belief, but it is FC choice to do so. I hate to say it, but I dont think any of your ships would have made it. I dont know enough about anti nuke systems though to say what percentage would have been destroyed. I do know that regular anti missile measures on ships have a 95% success rate though. Anyway if even a few nukes got through your fleet would have been toast. BUT, FC you now have the problem of massive fallout on your coast. Your water supply is now going to be poisoned, and your beach defenses will be hit with toxic levels of radiation. You must RP the problems. Well you actually dont have to do anything, but it is a suggestion. There will be problems for many years to come, dont be a noob and ignore them.

Finally, FC you mobalised a massive defense force in a matter of hours at your beaches. 2500 tanks!? Now one can accept a small beach force that had been there, but this is not a small beach force. Not to mention this force will have to deal with multiple nukes going off not 20 miles away from them. Suffice to say this force should really be toned down. You make a huge deal out of other people mobalizing then you ignore the action yourself, bad.

Anyway, sorry for this completely OOC and rather rantish post. Nothing here must be listened to, but I suggest both sides heed at least a little.

Kirov listened to the message onboard his AMS. Red Star, stroking his chin. He turned and spoke clearly and commanding; "Open clear communcation with Clan Smoke Jaguar."
The bridge radio officer confirmed his orders, "Channel open Admiral."
"Generaladmiral Kurosawa Michiko, this is Admiral Mikhail Kirov. You are formally invited to the Command Dreadnaught AMS. Red Star to discuss further strikes against blockading fleets."

Commodore Fortino grinned as he listened to the message. It appeared they needed him and his fleet after all.
"Comm, send this reply:


Received message. Agree to unified strike. Have fresh fleet, eager to assist. Send instructions.

It's called 'bait the RPer'.

And the majority is not necessarily correct.
In this case a specific minority (Moderators) is correct. Ankhmet, knock off the baiting. NOW.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator

OOC: OK, let's take it from when my invasion force were still seabourne. The guy who posted earlier is right, though: you took your time posting a reply, didn't you? Two days, in fact...

Also...2,500 tanks? I'm going to put this to you: you are a tiny nation. You have a military of 80,000 maximum with your nation description. To be able to mobilise 2,500 tanks in 10 minutes with a military of that size...let's say its your basic, small, Iraqi-style T-51 tank. Three man crew and all. You'd need a tank crew corps of 7,500 men. That's almost a tenth of your entire military! That's probably about a quarter of your army! You'd have a maximum 2,000 tanks in your ENTIRE NATION (probably less), and perhaps 40 or so of those would be in driving range of the beaches where I invaded. You can, of course, have reinforcements on their way, as I do.

So please consider this in the following post, and ignore this post if you wish, it is built on my scenario above.

IC:

As they closed on the beaches, the transport ships were met with an eerie silence. Guarded only by a small set of destroyers and a couple of submarines, the men on board were all deadly silent.

Then, as they drew closer, the first shots were fired. The transports and the destroyers opened fire on the beaches as the submarines began firing Tomahawk missiles at the lines of defenders.

Public Statement
From: Harold Durrel, Prime Minister.

The NES navy is currently waiting in territorial waters for instructions from the NES homeland. NES is currently in a state of political unstability and cannot take much action. There is a threat of a coalition gov't taking power, and changing the gov't again. We are afraid that without political stability we cannot take action.

ooc: That guy hasnt been following this thread, and it shows. Some points here:

1) I mobolised my military 2 days (RL) ago on page 3 or something.

2) I was given 12,500 tanks by Wallis and Futuna. 2,500 are manned, some have been canabalised for parts and others are simply in storage.

3) I didn't see your invasion post, and for that I apologise, but it couldnt be helped.

4) Why was it deadly silent? As I said, I'm firing artillery and missiles at you. That and I kinda nuked your fleet.

5) The nukes didn't go off 20miles away, they went off 100km away where I said that I'd fire if any enemy fleets came embargoing.

Makaar are you going to take losses or what...

Public Statement
From: Lawrence Strachan, Newly elected Prime Minister.

With the elections in NES over and a Conservative / Liberal Coalition in place the cabinet have met over the Feline Catfish issue. We have decided to pull most of our forces out of FC and go home. We will continue to send aid in Auxiliary Feet Vessels to FC and also will maintain a small naval presence in the seas around FC. As our last action before we leave we are donating 8 'Superior' Class corvettes, and 4 'International' Class Patrol Ships to the FC navy and also sending $100 billion to their cause.

OOC: Yes, I am going to take losses...

IC:

The first shots fired at the transports began. Artillery shells pounded the armoured sides as the troops began to fall with the radiation sickness.

As they approached the beaches, they continued to return fire. The submarines launched their Tomahawks at the coastline, and the destroyers fired with machine guns and cannons at the embattled defensive line.

As the boats hit the shore, the men piled out. Their faces were coveed in boils, and many were struggling to maintain their consciousness. Nonetheless, they did as they had been trained for a coastal landing.

Quickly diving to the floor, they wiggled around, moving the sand away and creating a small dip in the sand for them to hide protected in. The tanks, though heavily outnumbered, managed to fire off a few shots before their crews abandoned them to take up arms with their marine comrades.

Several kilometres away, the reinforcements were flying towards the beach. They were approaching at a steady speed through the corridor that the Makaarian ships had just come through. They only hoped that the forces on the beach could hold out until they arrived...which was looking less and less likely.

"Sir! Destroyers coming into machinegun range!" Shouted an artillery spotter.

"What the hell are they doing?" Asked his Officer in disbelief, "Have the artillery give fire. Destroy those ships!"

Down on the firing lines, the enemy were being held off. Rifle, machinegun, bayonet and missile - mowing down troops on the killing fields. The enemy artillery, however, was taking its toll. Many of the men were dead, and all those left alive were wearing cheap haz-mat suits to prevent them dying of radiation. Still, the material wasnt very good, and they still werent at their best. This was amplified by the fact that the suits meant they couldnt really see. They didnt need to, however. All they needed to do was spray the beach with machinegun fire at the helpless troops with little cover and unable to breach thethick wire entanglements.

"Cease fire!" An Officer shouted, and the firing line stopped dead. The silence made the mens' ears ring for a few seoncds before they began to hear an immense rumbling sound. Tanks. Dozens of them. Pouring over the trenches, crushing barbed wire that immediately sprung back up, tanks were storming the beachhead. Tanks on the beaches. The nightmare of any landing-soldier. Machineguns and cannon fired left and right as the enemy were literally driven into.

Again attempting to have nations involved reach a peaceful solution, the Grand Imperium of Risban released another statement.


Official Imperial Statement

The Grand Imperium of Risban again asks all nations to call a cease-fire and open up diplomatic talks.
To nations invading Feline Catfish: Stop now. It is useless. Feline Catfish is already going to suffer enough for this conflict. With the launching of two-hundred nuclear missiles so close to the island nation, their water will be contaminated for years and any fishing industry they have is going to be made obsolete. With the nuclear fallout, their agriculture is going to become very small and, being an island nation, they will have to rely on foreign powers from food. Given nuclear radiation that will get onto the island via the ocean tide, wind, and rain, their birth rate will lower and there will be more cases of cancer in their nation.
Think of it... When Chernobyl, merely a nuclear reactor, exploded in Russia, the entire town was forced to evacuate after 400 times more radioactive material than the Hiroshima Bomb was released. The fallout spread all over Russia and into Europe. Farms as far away as Britain were abandoned due to contamination. European nations who relied on livestock and hunting had to kill off entire herds of deer, sheep, chickens, and cows due to radiation. That was one nuclear reactor.
Not two hundred modern-day nuclear missiles.
Nearly their entire environment has been contaminated, their people will suffer from long-term affects, and their economy will be in danger (unless others come to the aid). So, invading powers, we ask you this: Why continue? You have nothing to gain from this conflict but death and more destruction. What more do you want? Yes, Feline Catfish decided to create a nuclear arsenal, and then decided to use their new toys; now they, and especially their children, are going to suffer from the devastating consequences. It is time to stop. Pull back.

Feline Catfish and forces defending Feline Catfish, open up channels for negotiations. There is nothing more to gain out of this. All sides have suffered massive losses. End this war before more occur.

In the hopes of peace,
Emperor Robinson A. Scorpius
Alexander Perkins, Foreign Affairs
Countess Nora Courtney, Parliament

The choopers holding men turned back. They figured the radtion level was way to high. It was time to use the crop dusters. One chopper though flew trying to find the Malkar forces. They had a shipment they needed to give them. " this zackarothian chopper 789. Maklar forces please respond. This is an emergncey!!. "

Think of it... When Chernobyl, merely a nuclear reactor, exploded in Russia, the entire town was forced to evacuate after 400 times more radioactive material than the Hiroshima Bomb was released. The fallout spread all over Russia and into Europe. Farms as far away as Britain were abandoned due to contamination. European nations who relied on livestock and hunting had to kill off entire herds of deer, sheep, chickens, and cows due to radiation. That was one nuclear reactor.
Not two hundred modern-day nuclear missiles.
Nearly their entire environment has been contaminated, their people will suffer from long-term affects, and their economy will be in danger (unless others come to the aid).


As you said, Chernobyl, "meerly" a reactor, spread so much radiation that all of those bad things happened. You also said that it was 400 times more radioactive material than Hiroshima. A nuclear reactor is worse (in terms of fallout) than a nuke. Modern nuclear missiles don't have an aweful lot more radioactive material than old ones. And the ones that got shot down didn't detonate, so they are still in their casings at the bottom of the ocean (so your comment about the effects on the shipping industry are accurate).
These particular nukes went off 100 km away, which means that the only way that you even get hit by anything is if the wind is going towards your island. That, of course, depends both on weather patterns and time of day, because it is generally when the sun is out that wind will blow towards a beach... the so-called "sea breeze".

OOC: Can someone tell me how this thread got this long?

Due to current uncertainamty over the current situation the Promised Missiel Defence Wing has been diverted to the nearest allied base for the time being.

Taika']OOC: Can someone tell me how this thread got this long?
OOC: Forum boredom.