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OOC: Easy enough, invade them and take them in few days. I also have to go through few other nations on my way to Italy, but it shouldn't be hard, unless i run into confrontation with Germany, then its gonna be a serious war. But don't worry, i got skills. Kutuzov is my idol. Russian army was stronger then German army, the only reason we had to retreat in first year was because of the failures of our command (comrade Stallin killed all our experienced generals and put in green guys who were watching educational videos about how Stalin is a god all their life.), but since i am planning on eliminating those failures, i think that Germany might just loose the war earlier then may 9th (Russian V-day, we are 8 hours ahead of you in time, so then Germans signed surrender it was already the 9th in Russia), or maybe not, maybe you decide to ally with me or to let me move my troops through Romania without interference, who knows. But if you fight me, you'd be facing millions, and you don't have panzers and Tigers yet.

However he has a far better equipped military, with trained soldiers, instead of conscripts. Furthermore, the Russian Airforce was terrible, thus giving Germany absolute air superiority and you don't have T-34s yet.

Also, it would be a logistical nightmare to try to send an army of millions all the way across Russia, through Romania and to Italy. By the time you got there, your armored forces would be out of gas and your troops would be tired and hungry.

However he has a far better equipped military, with trained soldiers, instead of conscripts. Furthermore, the Russian Airforce was terrible, thus giving Germany absolute air superiority and you don't have T-34s yet.

Also, it would be a logistical nightmare to try to send an army of millions all the way across Russia, through Romania and to Italy. By the time you got there, your armored forces would be out of gas and your troops would be tired and hungry.

OOC: Thats what supply lines are for. Original Russian army (the one that was wiped put in two weeks because of lack of orders) was a professional army, as for our airforce, we had a lot of planes but most of them never received an order to go into the sky, they were just wiped out on the ground, while our generals in kremlin were scratching their asses and waiting for Stalin to do something. Yeah we do have T-34s, their mass production started in 1940, so we don't have a lot of them, but still. Germans don't even have any real tanks, all their tanks don't have big guns, they only have machine guns on them, and thats it.

OOC: Thats what supply lines are for. Original Russian army (the one that was wiped put in two weeks because of lack of orders) was a professional army, as for our airforce, we had a lot of planes but most of them never received an order to go into the sky, they were just wiped out on the ground, while our generals in kremlin were scratching their asses and waiting for Stalin to do something. Yeah we do have T-34s, their mass production started in 1940, so we don't have a lot of them, but still. Germans don't even have any real tanks, all their tanks don't have big guns, they only have machine guns on them, and thats it.

Actually, the Mk3s and Mk4s had 75mm and 88mm guns that were capable of penetrating most armored vehicles.

Also, just about every war in Russia's long history was fought by conscripts. Even the war they had with Sweden, over territory in the Baltics, was fought by Russian Conscripts. The Russians used conscripts in WWI and were slaughtered by the Germans. WWII was no different. Even after the war, Russia still had a conscript army. I'm sure the Russians did have some trained soldiers, but they were few and far between.

And before you go to war with Germany and her allies, just remember that Germany is fanatical about defending its homeland from invaders. So invading them, while they still have a professional army with fresh commanders, could end up like another battle of Tallenburg.

Actually, the Mk3s and Mk4s had 75mm and 88mm guns that were capable of penetrating most armored vehicles.

Also, just about every war in Russia's long history was fought by conscripts. Even the war they had with Sweden, over territory in the Baltics, was fought by Russian Conscripts. The Russians used conscripts in WWI and were slaughtered by the Germans. WWII was no different. Even after the war, Russia still had a conscript army. I'm sure the Russians did have some trained soldiers, but they were few and far between.

And before you go to war with Germany and her allies, just remember that Germany is fanatical about defending its homeland from invaders. So invading them, while they still have a professional army with fresh commanders, could end up like another battle of Tallenburg.

OOC: Who isn't fanatical about defending their homeland? I say my people are if anything, more fanatical. Also they just don't have the apropriate numbers to face me with. I can totally manage to send 30 million soldiers to invade Germany, they only had about 3 million on both fronts during the war. Also from my own conscript experience, conscripts become real soldiers really quickly then faced with actual combat. Oh white army in revolution of 1917 consisted of mostly officers. Actually most of the time in Russian empire there were trained soldiers in service. Also even guns on Tiger tanks couldn't penetrate T-34s armor from one shot, you think the guns they have in 1940 can?

OOC: Who isn't fanatical about defending their homeland? I say my people are if anything, more fanatical. Also they just don't have the apropriate numbers to face me with. I can totally manage to send 30 million soldiers to invade Germany, they only had about 3 million on both fronts during the war. Also from my own conscript experience, conscripts become real soldiers really quickly then faced with actual combat. Oh white army in revolution of 1917 consisted of mostly officers. Actually most of the time in Russian empire there were trained soldiers in service. Also even guns on Tiger tanks couldn't penetrate T-34s armor from one shot, you think the guns they have in 1940 can?

Hitler still had a strong hold on the people. The T-34 didn't have any radios and couldn't contact each other during a fight. I have a Luftwaffe that is still strong. The Werhmacht is still strong. An invasion could prompt a request to America. Use strategies that were right for the time. I didn't paradrop into France, I went through Belgium and the Ardenne. Do you think my tanks will attack from the front?!? They would set up flank ambushes that would smite T-34s. Supply lines? They would be destroyed from the air.

Hitler still had a strong hold on the people. The T-34 didn't have any radios and couldn't contact each other during a fight. I have a Luftwaffe that is still strong. The Werhmacht is still strong. An invasion could prompt a request to America. Use strategies that were right for the time. I didn't paradrop into France, I went through Belgium and the Ardenne. Do you think my tanks will attack from the front?!? They would set up flank ambushes that would smite T-34s. Supply lines? They would be destroyed from the air.

OOC: let me deal with that, okay? Don't forget that i am not the only one fighting you. British Royal Airfoce (Which won battle of Britain) will keep your airforce busy, plus this time around Russian planes will actually take off and fight. Thats atleast 4000 planes if i remember correctly. Anyways, you can always just let my troops go thorough Romania, its not like i have to take that country over, i jsut need to get to Italy.

OOC: Who isn't fanatical about defending their homeland? I say my people are if anything, more fanatical. Also they just don't have the apropriate numbers to face me with. I can totally manage to send 30 million soldiers to invade Germany, they only had about 3 million on both fronts during the war. Also from my own conscript experience, conscripts become real soldiers really quickly then faced with actual combat. Oh white army in revolution of 1917 consisted of mostly officers. Actually most of the time in Russian empire there were trained soldiers in service. Also even guns on Tiger tanks couldn't penetrate T-34s armor from one shot, you think the guns they have in 1940 can?

So I take it you're planning to break the Nazi-Soviet NAP treaty, instead of Hitler breaking it, correct?

As Tomzilla said earlier, your best generals were purged before 1940, where this RP begins. It will take time for you to train more comptent generals, as they need years of experience to truly understand the art of war.

You probably can have the generals experienced by 1942. By then your and Germany's armies would have been at it for 2 years, building up experience on both sides.

Also, if Pushka's Russia conquers Europe by 1941 or so, then this RP wouldn't be fun and enjoyable as it would end too soon. I think we should hold off "victory" or "end of WW 2" until after 1943 or later, as a lot of neat stuff were invented and used between 1942 - 1945.

Germans invented first rockets, jet engines, cruise missiles, and a lot of other nifty stuff. I'd love to see these in action, and see how the USA fares aganist those things.

Also, there would be much more interesting and fun if we had more "time" to play around with and create more divergences. So I propose that this WW2 continues past late 1943, minimum. It'd be awesome if it could continue until 1946 or even beyond 1950.

Imagine the possibilities of war-like Sputnik satellites!

OOC: let me deal with that, okay? Don't forget that i am not the only one fighting you. British Royal Airfoce (Which won battle of Britain) will keep your airforce busy, plus this time around Russian planes will actually take off and fight. Thats atleast 4000 planes if i remember correctly. Anyways, you can always just let my troops go thorough Romania, its not like i have to take that country over, i jsut need to get to Italy.

Like Hitler would ever let Russia attack Italy. He has a personal bond for the founder of Facism. After Mussolini got arrested by the Italian people, he sent Otto Skorzeny, the best-of-the-best from the SS, to get him out of harm's way.

So I take it you're planning to break the Nazi-Soviet NAP treaty, instead of Hitler breaking it, correct?

As Tomzilla said earlier, your best generals were purged before 1940, where this RP begins. It will take time for you to train more comptent generals, as they need years of experience to truly understand the art of war.

You probably can have the generals experienced by 1942. By then your and Germany's armies would have been at it for 2 years, building up experience on both sides.

Also, if Pushka's Russia conquers Europe by 1941 or so, then this RP wouldn't be fun and enjoyable as it would end too soon. I think we should hold off "victory" or "end of WW 2" until after 1943 or later, as a lot of neat stuff were invented and used between 1942 - 1945.

Germans invented first rockets, jet engines, cruise missiles, and a lot of other nifty stuff. I'd love to see these in action, and see how the USA fares aganist those things.

Also, there would be much more interesting and fun if we had more "time" to play around with and create more divergences. So I propose that this WW2 continues past late 1943, minimum. It'd be awesome if it could continue until 1946 or even beyond 1950.

Imagine the possibilities of war-like Sputnik satellites!

That would be cool. Now if I could convince Tenarius to attack in Siberia again...

Diplomatic Message to Mexico:

At this time we have no intention of entering hostilities with the United States. There is still time to conquer East Asia and Europe and gather the materials we need to face the American Giant. We would however, be interested in purchasing Oil from Mexico if possible, depending on how much you have available for export. In return we would be willing to produce ships for you to sell.

Message to Japan
Your request for oil is accepted. For the price of oil is exported, is the price sent to building ships. Also, could we include trainning for Mexican crews? Also, may there be some need for an airforce beyond a few helicopters and some mroe advanced arms for our ground troops. This can be incorporated into the prices we shall set, yes?

-President Antonio Trujillo


OOC: Also, I have no intention to fight America, just to gain military and help bring down the Allies ;-). I might ally up with some Axis and start an invasion into South America or the Caribbeans, no one knows!

Like Hitler would ever let Russia attack Italy. He has a personal bond for the founder of Facism. After Mussolini got arrested by the Italian people, he sent Otto Skorzeny, the best-of-the-best from the SS, to get him out of harm's way.

OOC: Yeah but this isn't really historical and it doesn't have to be. Like FDR died 4 years before he did in real-life. As for Germany and USSR, at this point we are allies, there was more then just non-agression pact signed by USSR with Germany, there was also another alliance pact, it was signed in secret. Did you know that USSR provided tons of food to Germany before 1941? The food Stalin took away from russian peasants who starved to death because of it. Yeah we are allies right now. Also abotu generals, once again i am not one of them, i don't have to use their strategies.

Then did Tenarius attack Siberia in the first place? Also don't forget that in real war, Japan did go into syberia but they were crushed by Soviets in about a week, then a couple of months they held out in Manchuria, China and Mongolia but were pushed out of there as well. There is no possible way for the japanese to be ready for war in Syberia, they only skilled in fighting in the Jungles.

Ah. I haven't been back, first thanks for pausing the IOF, I appreciate it lots! Second of all!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! (Or, if you celebrate a different holiday, then the holiday which suits you)

OOC: Yeah but this isn't really historical and it doesn't have to be. Like FDR died 4 years before he did in real-life. As for Germany and USSR, at this point we are allies, there was more then just non-agression pact signed by USSR with Germany, there was also another alliance pact, it was signed in secret. Did you know that USSR provided tons of food to Germany before 1941? The food Stalin took away from russian peasants who starved to death because of it. Yeah we are allies right now. Also abotu generals, once again i am not one of them, i don't have to use their strategies.

Then did Tenarius attack Siberia in the first place? Also don't forget that in real war, Japan did go into syberia but they were crushed by Soviets in about a week, then a couple of months they held out in Manchuria, China and Mongolia but were pushed out of there as well. There is no possible way for the japanese to be ready for war in Syberia, they only skilled in fighting in the Jungles.

Yes during 1939 Japan did invade Siberia and was defeated, but had they attacked with the Nazis and opened up a second front against the USSR, the USSR would have fallen according to most counter-factual historians.

New York Times: May 27, 1940

JOHN N. GARNER DECLARED 33RD PRESIDENT!

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John N. Garner has been sworn into the Presidency, becoming our 33rd President. This solemn ceremony took place last night after Franklin Roosevelt's funeral.

Many people speculate that John Garner might have well won the Presidential Elections in November, as Roosevelt hasn't made any official announcement that he would be running for the Presidency once again.

In these troubled times, John N. Garner's spirit and willpower might be necessary to propel our people to dominance.There has yet to be any official word from the new administration regarding the USA's stance on the European War between Hitler and both England and France.

John N. Garner will begin his first official day of his Presidency today, and several pressing matters on his agenda include the ongoing Great Depression problems, the New Deal, diplomacy with war stricken Europe, reorganizing the new administration, continuing his campaign for Election Day in November, among other things.

OOC: Whoa whoa whoa. :headbang: Russia and Japan and whoever else. Calm down for a bit eh?
First off. Russia does have a CORE of 'professional' soldiers. The theory (from all I have ever read) is that Russia has lots of land, and men to loose in any war. Now, that number of 'professional' men, is probably somewhere around 1 million or so men. Many were in the army because they didn't want to be anywhere else (Again, from what I've read. I don't claim to specialize in it).

Anyways, what generally happened, was during Hitler's Blitzkrieg, Stalin had been building up, and was going to invade Germany if Germany hadn't invaded them. However, the diplomats had convinced Stalin to have more men move away from the USSR set defenses, in an attempt to 'appease' Hitler and buy more time. Thus, the professional troops AND the conscripts, (Mobilized men), were both caught off guard. Most of the professional troops were either killed, or simply rendered useless from poor leadership.

Now, lol, I wasn't sure about how Russia was going to get to Italy, but I also agree with Germany/Japan. A supply line through Romania would be rreally hard to maintain. Especially in a war with Italy. And Frick, I gotta go. :headbang: How bout we work on a compromise of some sort. I'll think about it, on the 26th! =P

Edit: I just realized this is really confused sounding, probably because it's 1 in the morning on Christmas. Ah heck, I'll clear it up later. Enjoy. :D And no, I couldn't keep away from catching up after posting earlier.

Everyone enjoy your christmas and forget this thing for a day.

OOC: Okay here is the thing. During WW2 a total of 13,600,000 Germans was killed, 10 million on the eastern front. A total of 12 million Russian soldiers were killed on the eastern front, the rest were civilians. Also 75 percent of German materiel loses occurred on the Soviet-German front, including 50,878 armored vehicles, 493,439 artillery pieces and mortars, and 101,671 warplanes.

Now even though German soldiers were professional in real combat you get experienced pretty quickly. Look at the looses, also remember that Germans caught 7 million Russian soldiers of guard and killed them in first two weeks simply because they weren't ready. So no matter how professional Germans were they died just as well.

OOC: Okay here is the thing. During WW2 a total of 13,600,000 Germans was killed, 10 million on the eastern front. A total of 12 million Russian soldiers were killed on the eastern front, the rest were civilians. Also 75 percent of German materiel loses occurred on the Soviet-German front, including 50,878 armored vehicles, 493,439 artillery pieces and mortars, and 101,671 warplanes.

Now even though German soldiers were professional in real combat you get experienced pretty quickly. Look at the looses, also remember that Germans caught 7 million Russian soldiers of guard and killed them in first two weeks simply because they weren't ready. So no matter how professional Germans were they died just as well.

As for historians. Predictions never work with Russia, if they did then we would never kick out Mongols and even if we did, we'd speaking french and then German, but we don't. With Russia outcome always seems as simple as 2+2 but then russian cossacks end up in Paris.

ANZAC command has decided that WWI veterans will train a homeguard army that will defend Australia, New Zealand and Australian New Guinea. The army have 12 divisions: 7 divisions in Australia, 2 divisions in New Zealand and 3 divisions in Australian New Guinea. They will join the 2 rotating divisions and the 5 regular homeguard divisions. The two new carriers, the Auckland and the Melbourne will form two new fleets: Fleet A and Fleet B. Fleet A, with the Auckland, 3 destroyers and 5 frigates will join the blocade of South Africa. Fleet B with the Melbourne, 3 destroyers and 5 frigates will be stationed in Rabaul and will patrol the Area between Australian New guinea, Australia and New Zealand. Also the naval branch of ANZAC will be reformed into a new HQ: ANZNC. (Australian-New Zealand Naval Corps) The first action of ANZNC is giving order to expand docks in Rabaul, Darwin and Auckland. ANZNC also gives the order to build 5 new submarines. Also a new field HQ has been formed: Kenya ANZAC command with 8 infantry divisions, 2 armoured divisions, 1 motor-rifle division and a paratrooper division. Kenya ANZAC command will help our British friends against Fascist Italy and South Africa.

Australia didn't have any WW1 veterans cause it wasn't in WW1.

Australia didn't have any WW1 veterans cause it wasn't in WW1.


....yeah just go tell that to austrailians that were MOWED DOWN by machine guns at galaphilia (cant spell)

Australia didn't have any WW1 veterans cause it wasn't in WW1.

Oh they participated all right... The Dardanelles, Europe, etc. (not a WW1 buff).

BTW: check the "Enemy inside" thread.

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Oh they participated all right... The Dardanelles, Europe, etc. (not a WW1 buff).

BTW: check the "Enemy inside" thread.

Yeah, don't even try messing with Australian raw troops. They kicked the shit of the Emperor's finest at the Kokoda Trail in New Guinea.

Okay, okay. I don't know much about western front and WW1 in general.

Yeah, don't even try messing with Australian raw troops. They kicked the shit of the Emperor's finest at the Kokoda Trail in New Guinea.

But they had their asses handed to them at Gallipoli, by the Turks.

But they had their asses handed to them at Gallipoli, by the Turks.
OOC: True.

Official request to the American Department of Defence

The Royal Norwegian Military need to rearm itself, due to the threath of invasion from both east, south and west. Therefore, we wish to utilize American weapons, since they are some of the best weapons available.
If you could present us with a list over weapons we can purchase, we would be most pleased.

We need:

Infantry weapons
Armoured vehicles/tanks
Fighter airplanes
Ships (if possible)



Halvtan Koth
Minister of Foreign Affairs[/I]

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OOC: Eh, Hope you all had a great Christmas and/or Holiday of your choice. I should be back tomorrow-ish, (Or I hope so, Thanks Again for pausing it. My apologies) if someone could give me a summerized update, I'd appreciate it. I read through it all, but.... :confused:

I want to extend a hand to Tenarius and Ollieland for being willing to try to play it as realistically as possible. Thank you for listening to my questions, nitpicks, and criticism. I appreciate it, as RP's need constructive criticism to become even better. :)

OOC - Back from Christmas. Right.

I'll take that as a compliment and many thanks. The key here is to resist the temptation of pre-cognition. Anyway, it wouldn't work. All the players here seem intelligent enough not to try to repeat WWII per say, as everyone would know how to counter any moves made. Wahts the point in roleplaying if you know what the oppositions going to do?

A few nitpicks of my own. Someone needs to set a proper timescale here. It's been May since we started, and at this rate the RP will last longer than the war itself. I would suggest one RL day = one RP week.

Lastly, this may sound bigheaded but I do have some extensive knowledge of WWII. I have taught history in English secondary shools for 8 years (I said I was an old fart!) and collaborated on writing a few books on WWII and British Colonial history. If anyones got any questions I'd be more than happy to answer if I can.

OOC:ok.... after me & my friends looked on the internet for some ww2 replica weapons to build.... we came across a site that had a list of Russan Weapons during WWII. Since i heard people bicker about Stalins military might......... i'll list the weapons he had

Basic Shoulder Weapon:Mosin-Nagent M91/30 rifle/sniper-rifle

Automatic Rifle:PPSh 41 - 7.62mm Soviet Submachine Gun - Burp Gun

Later on Auto Rifle:Pistolet-Pulemyot Sudaeva obr 1943G (PPS43)

Heavy Bunker Weapon: DPM 7.62 mm Ruchnoy Pulemyot Light Machine Gun

Pistol:7.62 mm Soviet Automatic 1933 Tokarev (TT33)

Anti-Tank:RPzB 54 Raketenpanzerbuchse (Panzerschreck)

Near-End Basic Rifles: Klashnikov Rifle

if you don't believe me... heres the link: http://www.planetquake.com/dday/extra/russian/

OOC:ok.... after me & my friends looked on the internet for some ww2 replica weapons to build.... we came across a site that had a list of Russan Weapons during WWII. Since i heard people bicker about Stalins military might......... i'll list the weapons he had

Basic Shoulder Weapon:Mosin-Nagent M91/30 rifle/sniper-rifle

Automatic Rifle:PPSh 41 - 7.62mm Soviet Submachine Gun - Burp Gun

Later on Auto Rifle:Pistolet-Pulemyot Sudaeva obr 1943G (PPS43)

Heavy Bunker Weapon: DPM 7.62 mm Ruchnoy Pulemyot Light Machine Gun

Pistol:7.62 mm Soviet Automatic 1933 Tokarev (TT33)

Anti-Tank:RPzB 54 Raketenpanzerbuchse (Panzerschreck)

Near-End Basic Rifles: Klashnikov Rifle

if you don't believe me... heres the link: http://www.planetquake.com/dday/extra/russian/


how would they have panzerschreck

how would they have panzerschreck

how....... maybe imported or built i guess..... all i know is that they had them during the German Invasion in WW2

how would they have panzerschreck

Germany and USSR were allies. We gave them a bunch of corn (which was taken away from our peasants who in turn starved to death) and they gave us weapons and stuff. Also a lot of German guns and machinery was captured by the Russians during WW2. Ironically, it was considered a symbol of previlege to use a German shmauzer in the Russian army, and in German army it was considered a symbol of previlige using Russian PPSH, atleast in Stalingrad.

You see on the eastern front the battles were much larger, with bigger casualties on both sides. On D-day 10 american/british/canadian divisions fought against 12 German divisions. While that same day, on the eastern front, 46 German divisions fought 63 Russian divisions. And it wasn't even a major battle.

Germany and USSR were allies. We gave them a bunch of corn (which was taken away from our peasants who in turn starved to death) and they gave us weapons and stuff. Also a lot of German guns and machinery was captured by the Russians during WW2. Ironically, it was considered a symbol of previlege to use a German shmauzer in the Russian army, and in German army it was considered a symbol of previlige using Russian PPSH, atleast in Stalingrad.

You see on the eastern front the battles were much larger, with bigger casualties on both sides. On D-day 10 american/british/canadian divisions fought against 12 German divisions. While that same day, on the eastern front, 46 German divisions fought 63 Russian divisions. And it wasn't even a major battle.

yeah probrobly.... remember, it wasn't Russias weapons or anthing like that... it was there lack of diciplane.

I anything going to happen? I can't keep mobilizing troops and building a fleet.

Germany and USSR were allies. We gave them a bunch of corn (which was taken away from our peasants who in turn starved to death) and they gave us weapons and stuff. Also a lot of German guns and machinery was captured by the Russians during WW2. Ironically, it was considered a symbol of previlege to use a German shmauzer in the Russian army, and in German army it was considered a symbol of previlige using Russian PPSH, atleast in Stalingrad.

You see on the eastern front the battles were much larger, with bigger casualties on both sides. On D-day 10 american/british/canadian divisions fought against 12 German divisions. While that same day, on the eastern front, 46 German divisions fought 63 Russian divisions. And it wasn't even a major battle.

If I remember correctly, the USSR also gave Germany warfare equipment.

ooc: that could be something i could look up

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