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This thread is OOC only. No OOC: tags are required. Discuss the war (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7584022) here.

Rules

1. No ICBMS
2. No satellite based weapons

What's going on right now

http://kryogenix.xangans.com/nationstates/map.jpg

Red: Japanese Antarctica
Blue: Former Soviet Mafia
White: The Voltarum (I think that's where he is)
Purple: Ruthless Slaughter
Black: Doomingsland and NTG

The confrontation is about to begin. Coalition forces have moved into battle formation and are tightening the hold on the incoming enemy. Opposition forces have arrived to aid the surrounded Wirrawayan fleet. It is expected to be a rough naval battle.

Background

Based on information gathered by the Former Soviet Mafian intelligence network, the conclusion was drawn that the C A D members were planning a surprise attack, following the skirmish involving satellites. The ministers and president debated the declaration of war. Eventually, the defense minister convinced the president with the following reasons:

-The C A D shows no interest in diplomacy between the two feuding sides
-The C A D has a score to settle with FSM after the C A D lost the two Soviet Expanse wars
-The C A D has broken treaties after both Soviet Expanse wars
-Information was deemed extremely reliable and intelligence showed a recent build up in arms

Secondary reasons include:

-The C A D has commited many atrocities in the past

Therefore, the FSM defense ministry drew plans for a surprise preemptive strike of their own. Operations began 31/10/05

Sides (only those who have confirmed with me are listed)

Invaders

Former Soviet Mafia- see above

Japanese Antarctica- A firm ally of FSM. Japanese Antarctica also feels threatened by a C A D nation, the neighboring Imperial Articas. Though a war with Imperial Articas could be easily won, the JA emperor expressed his will to "keep war off Antarctican soil." Instead, Japanese Antarctican resources have been determined to be more useful in taking out the more powerful members of C A D, who have a long history of quarrels with each other.

The Voltarum- Ally of Japanese Antarctica. (Voltarum, if you would like me to put something, post or tg me)

Defenders

Doomingsland- Intelligence gathered by Doomingsland satellites showed his enemies mobilizing. Fearing the worst, Doomingsland moved to DEFCON 3 and mobilized her own forces.

Shenyang- Also on Australia, Shenyang has prepared its forces for the possible invasion.

Ruthless Slaughter- Also in C A D.

Wirraway- I don't know exactly where Wirraway is (Mozambique if I remember correctly). Again, another supporter of Doomingsland, Wirraway is sending reinforcements to the C A D continent.

Nikolaos the Great- A former ally of Japanese Antarctica, NTG has actually fought against Doomingsland before, but apparently has switched sides for reasons unknown.

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Did we ever get maps from Knight Phalanxia or Zemax?

*groan

NOT AGAIN!

Doomingsland, please give longsword bomber stats.

Zemax doesn't RP.

As for the Longsword:

B109 Longsword

Armament-80,000 pounds of munitions, up to 20 cruise missiles, 8 SCRAMjets in internal weapons bay

Ceiling-80,000 feet

Propulsion-2 DDI T9000 pulse detonation-turbofan hybrid, 70,000 pounds of thrust per-engine

Speed-Mach 2.1 supercruise, mach 3 without

Range-Unrefueled 8,800 miles (7,652 nautical miles)

Wingspan-80 feet

Length-200 feet

Height-30 feet

The longsword is a supersonic stealth bomber, capable of delivering up to 80,000 pounds of ordinance onto a target. It is capable of carrying up to 8 LSLRM variant weapons in its internal bomb bay, and delivering them with precision accuracy. It's two DDI T9000 pulse detonation/turbofan hybrid engines push the aircraft to speeds of mach three.

As for a pic,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/Doomingsland/sshot077.bmp

OOC:Someone get a map of all of the seas and areas this is taking place in, I'm sick of going back and forth from google to look at the damned maps.

OOC:Who owns Indonesia? I think he'd be pissed with all of the ships nearby.

OOC:Who owns Indonesia? I think he'd be pissed with all of the ships nearby.

OOC: Warta Endor, who is an economic ally of mine.

Problem with the bomber.

You're telling me it can be stealthy, while using pulse detonation? Turbofans provide only subsonic speed, so I'm guessing the real power comes from the PDE's. Explain how you can keep your IR signature low, while fuel+air is exploding out of the back end.

Problem with Shenyang's post. You can do better than that. Based on that post, I have no idea what plane is flying, neither can I determine from that post where it came from. As a result, I'm ignoring that post. FSM has told me to ask you to please step up the quality of your posts, otherwise you will be barred from the RP. That goes for everyone else, unlike the first war, I'm not accepting any ambiguity, post specifics or it won't count.

OOC:
1) They're going to improve once I have something to work with.
2) From my earlier posts (one of the previous threads) I said that the only aircraft on outer perimeter duty (and that could carry cruise missles for that matter) were the F/A-1010 Broadsword ADFs.
3)The ADFs would be the only aircraft that could see you on radar, unless I miracuously came up with 300+ mile radar.

I will admit that the post was rather vague though.

OOC:Yes, they have 300+ mile radar, they call it AWACS. As for your concern about stealth it uses an exhaust coolant system using liquids as well as design characteristics to mix cool air with the hot exhaust.

OOC:Yes, they have 300+ mile radar, they call it AWACS. As for your concern about stealth it uses an exhaust coolant system using liquids as well as design characteristics to mix cool air with the hot exhaust.

That would only serve to cool the engines and air immeadiately surrounding it, there is no way you can cool the air behind you in so little time. Prove that point wrong.

OOC: If it's cooling the engines and air around it, all of the air behind it would be cool, as it would be cooled down as it's coming out. Besides, I rarely use the bomber in supercruise, I've usualy got it going mach 3 for escapes, and supercruise when it's heading to the target. You'll see what I mean when I use it.

OOC:Yes, they have 300+ mile radar, they call it AWACS. As for your concern about stealth it uses an exhaust coolant system using liquids as well as design characteristics to mix cool air with the hot exhaust.
Which I am too lazy to purchase, and there aren't on the air force list I posted anyway. (which is what I'm going to use during this conflict, plus the Broadswords) Basicly all my Broadswords are networked together, so 1 can see what all the others see, but the range is still limited. (as if I had to say the range was limited)

OOC: If it's cooling the engines and air around it, all of the air behind it would be cool, as it would be cooled down as it's coming out. Besides, I rarely use the bomber in supercruise, I've usualy got it going mach 3 for escapes, and supercruise when it's heading to the target. You'll see what I mean when I use it.

No need for OOC tags.

Now, if you're cooling the air, isn't that just defeating the purpose of the engine? The engine heats and compresses it so it blends with the fuel better, cooling the air would negate this and the plane would not reach mach 3.

It wouldn't matter anyway, they will be shot down rather easily. You'll see what I mean later.

Oh yeah, what's the weight of the plane?

what are the names of the nations on each side?
Not the alliances.....

Well, I did say I'd get involved if it ever got to war, I'm on Doom's side but as he should know he has the option of either commanding the 91st (my only forces in Doom) himself or alloting me the task.

Just so you know what the 91st is made up of:

50,000 Troops.

Comprising:

1 Armoured Regiment,
2 Artillery Regiments,
1 Engineer Regiment,
1 Claw (MP) Regiment,
1 Logistics Regiment,
4 Infantry Regiments.

Note: Command Staff, Medical and general Admin staff are not included in these since they are treated as seperate entities. Also, note these troops are mountain specialists and are equipped as such.

FSm can i have some basic states for your ships. Something as simple as Carrier-like nimitz, submarine-similar to akula etc. would do. I am most likely getting involved in this to some degree and as my nation is in the south pacific (nearish antartica) it wnt be too much of a task to get my ships to the battles

OK, MC, you command your own guys. as for the concern with the engine



Alright, a pulse detonation/turbofan hybrid uses pulse detonation (controlled explosions) instead of a compressor unit used to create the high pressures required for jet thrust. This means the a engine is much simpler, more efficient, with greater range and slighly more thrust.

As for the heat signature, initial heat signature is higher than that of a normal turbofan (by tens of degrees) however, due to the simpler design of the PD/Turbofan hybrid, a longer space is allowed for thrust cooling (an area encased in tubing that uses air-cooled liquid along with freon to cool the exhaust to below what a normal turbofan would achieve. The air, upon exit of the exhaust system, is then further cooled through the design of the aircraft. The design of the aircraft (especially mine) create an airflow that moves over the body and directly into the thrust, meaning incredibly cold air at high speeds hits the hot thrust meaning the two inter-mingle creating a heat signature incredibly lower than what would normally be experienced. It isn't all that drastic of a change but enough to confuse many infrared missiles as it presents a larger but weaker infrared target, and chances are if it does lock on, it will hit an area on the fringe (far from the aircraft). Hope that covers it all.

I use basicly the same systems as him, and I bought a bunch of his aircraft, so, for future references...

I was wondering when Generic was gonna show up already; this is war is getting huge and JA FSM and Voltarum are so heavily outnumbered right now its not even funny.

No need for OOC tags.

Now, if you're cooling the air, isn't that just defeating the purpose of the engine? The engine heats and compresses it so it blends with the fuel better, cooling the air would negate this and the plane would not reach mach 3.

It wouldn't matter anyway, they will be shot down rather easily. You'll see what I mean later.

Oh yeah, what's the weight of the plane?
I know they'd be shot down easily, seeing as they're flying within the cieling of a MiG31, and every other modern SAM, but you'll see how I use them.

Empty: 185,000 lb
Maximum Takeoff: 498,000 pounds

That's the weight.

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OK, MC, you command your own guys. as for the concern with the engine



I use basicly the same systems as him, and I bought a bunch of his aircraft, so, for future references...

Soviet Bloc has made many good aircraft, so I'll take his word for now.

I think there's still a problem, but in the interest of getting the RP moving, I'll hold it off until there is a violation of the laws of physics :).



Maybe tommorow we'll start the confrontation.

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I was wondering when Generic was gonna show up already; this is war is getting huge and JA FSM and Voltarum are so heavily outnumbered right now its not even funny.

Numbers aren't everything.

OOC:Well, until tommorow, then.

Ruthless Slaughter, you have until the end of today to delete that OOC post from the IC thread, otherwise I will call a mod.

And Intelligent neighbors, you will be ignored until you put more effort into your RPing.

Oh yeah, no new people can join until they TG me, or post in this thread first. I'm going to compile the list for sides soon, that's why I'm going to need this info.

Zemax doesn't RP.

Wow, that's incredibly fair. You recognize a country that doesn't even RP in the NS world, but you don't recognize me as a nation in Australia, even though I existed before you. So really, you should be asking me to recognize you, as I was in Australia before you.

Tell me, do you only recognize nations in geographic proximity only if it's convenient for you? That's a pretty lame thing to do, if you ask me. In case you didn't know, that doesn't happen in real life. What you are doing is equivalent to France ignoring Germany in WWII. Really, really bad form. Way to go, fearless leader.

Of course, you can choose to ignore me still, since it's not against the rules, but the justifaction of the ignore is pretty weak.

So it's up to you, here are your choices:

1) Somehow, give a good reason for the geographical ignore (Friendly warning, I'm a leader in my school's debate club).

2) Continue to deny the fact that I'm in Australia. If you do, I will persuade allies to completely ignore you as well, the war is canceled, a bunch of people get pissed off and you lose plenty of OOC respect.

or

3) Accept the fact that sometimes, just sometimes, not all your neighbors are friendly. Instead of using a cheap, unjustified ignore, you can prove that you have the genius to combat an invasion. War goes on, you gain OOC respect and (maybe) win the war.

I've never RPed you as being on our continent, which isn't Australia, BTW, so as far as I'm concerned your not there, so quit whining about not being able to launch a land invasion. I don't particularly care if this war is canceled, FSM is the one starting it, and I doubt I'd lose OOC respect from anyone I know, so I don't care about that either.

And yes, in NS, you generally recognize people when it's convenient for you.

For defenders, you left out Generic Empire, Wirraway, Nikolaos, Merchant Guilds, and Intellegent Neigbors. MG and II already have bases on my soil from the RWC base exchange, Nikolaos airlifted his guys, Wirraways still coming, but you should stick him on our side for the record, and GE is airlifting his guys.

I'll probly join on FSM's side

I've never RPed you as being on our continent, which isn't Australia, BTW, so as far as I'm concerned your not there, so quit whining about not being able to launch a land invasion. I don't particularly care if this war is canceled, FSM is the one starting it, and I doubt I'd lose OOC respect from anyone I know, so I don't care about that either.

Wait a second, you were in Australia, but now you're not? Why didn't you tell us before? If you're not Australia, where are you then? Your reason for ignoring Soudin is still completely unacceptable.




And yes, in NS, you generally recognize people when it's convenient for you.


You guys have been the biggest inconvenience since my start here, but it would be poor form to just ignore you. Likewise, it would be poor form for you to ignore Soudin (who, I don't believe has pledged IC allegience to me). You've done this in the past before, booting people out of your region just for not supporting you anyway, so it's nothing new. Why be realistic when you can be arbitrary, right?

Rather than answering my claims of god modding, your friends call our side flamers. Of course, history has taught us that instead of being rational and arguing for your side, going on a witch hunt is much better

I should never have bothered to join that RP, it would have saved me a lot of grief, but what's done is done. All I ask is that we get the facts straight and get this RP over with.

For defenders, you left out Generic Empire, Wirraway, Nikolaos, Merchant Guilds, and Intellegent Neigbors. MG and II already have bases on my soil from the RWC base exchange, Nikolaos airlifted his guys, Wirraways still coming, but you should stick him on our side for the record, and GE is airlifting his guys.

Generic Empire is being ignored (in fact, he is the one who set the ignore on me, why should I recognize him then?) Wirraway will be added, Nikolaos will be added, Merchant Guilds needs to contact me and Intelligent Neighbors has been asked to step up the post quality.

And yes, in NS, you generally recognize people when it's convenient for you.

You've hit a new low.

When it's convenient for you OOCly. ICly, there is absolutely no problem between you and Soudin.

Soudin says he doesn't even care anymore, no point in arguing with someone who doesn't even want to listen.

But fine. We'll play the game your way. We've been brutally lenient to your side in the past, but now, if we think it's god modding it's ignored.

There, it's resolved.

I said we're in the general area of Australia, I never said we ARE Autstralia, I've said that many times. We're basicly where Australia would be located in the world, but we're not actualy Australia, we're a fictional continent. As I've said before, I never RPed Soudin being on our continent, so why start now? Just get the damned thing started, I want to blow stuff up.

I said we're in the general area of Australia, I never said we ARE Autstralia, I've said that many times. We're basicly where Australia would be located in the world, but we're not actualy Australia, we're a fictional continent. As I've said before, I never RPed Soudin being on our continent, so why start now? Just get the damned thing started, I want to blow stuff up.

Then you're not located on earth? Don't you recall us saying we only RP with REAL landmasses, which is why we told you to move from a fictional landmass in the Atlantic to Australia. Obviously you either didn't understand why, or you chose to disregard that request. But again, whatever, we'll just get this started.

OOC: I know they haven't been attacked physically, but, as the enemy has declared war, that is equivalent to being attacked in my books.

I am looking forward to RPing with you all.

IC: The fleet sped on towards Doomingsland, hoping to outpace the enemy fleets.

And to Intelligent Neighbors, FYI, we haven't declared war. In fact, what we are doing is parallel to JFK's quarantine of Cuba during the missile crisis, and the USSR did not go to war over that. Plus, I'm asking that you raise the quality of your post before joining the RP, so your actions have been ignored by now. And we're going to need geographic info.

Voltarum, I highly suggest ignoring Borman Empire. He is horrible, and that's an understatement.

And Wirraway, wtf. How did your ships manage to sail past our line? As I have said, we are busy, our computer has to be shared between us, so it's not like we can respond all the time. When I say I'm busy, it means don't post something significant like what you did.

Okay, my ships have not gone through anything they haven't even reached within 100 miles of the continent. Do you know how long I've stretched out this damm convoy? It been like 10 posts in the making, I've been waiting for you guys to attack it. In fact, that was its whole point, to finnally get this war started. Now, there is still time for you to take it out, as its not moving until you do.

Generic Empire is being ignored (in fact, he is the one who set the ignore on me, why should I recognize him then?) Wirraway will be added, Nikolaos will be added, Merchant Guilds needs to contact me and Intelligent Neighbors has been asked to step up the post quality.

I don't ignore you. I don't ignore JA either. I just ignored the first thread about the war since it was just alot of annoying, unnecessary flaming.

Hello, I am from the Colony Of The Solviet Union and want to join your side. I believe that the solviet union will rise again and I plan to make that happen. If it is possible, I sencerely think that with your help WE CAN BUILD OUR NATION AGAIN!!! A promp response would be greatly appreciated.

Voltarum, I highly suggest ignoring Borman Empire. He is horrible, and that's an understatement.

Hmmmm...Why do I despise you? I don't know? I just can't think of a reason.

(No insults will be inserted so as to avoid turning this into a flame fest like last time)

And I only ignore FSM becuase he ignores me. (its not even a hard ignore, on either of you.)

And this is for the first page: Wirraway has the northern half of Mozambique as a colony(I have the lower half which cuts my time to Australia in half). His main nation is located in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxemburg.

Nikolaos the Great is helping us becuase he is in CAD.

FSM, if you have any questions I can answer, and it doesn't kill you to ask them, then you can ask.

I don't ignore you. I don't ignore JA either. I just ignored the first thread about the war since it was just alot of annoying, unnecessary flaming.

No, i'm pretty sure I remember you specifically ignoring FSM.

Hello, I am from the Colony Of The Solviet Union and want to join your side. I believe that the solviet union will rise again and I plan to make that happen. If it is possible, I sencerely think that with your help WE CAN BUILD OUR NATION AGAIN!!! A promp response would be greatly appreciated.

Please read the stickies.

No, i'm pretty sure I remember you specifically ignoring FSM.

Hmm. I don't. In any case, he's not on my ignore list and i still pay attention to what he's doing in the thread, so I don't think he's being ignored.

bump

As far as Borman goes, lets see what develops. But just seeing his "fleet" makes me nervous =\

Here are my stats... if they are off, please advise, because I am doing this semi fast and have not done this for NS before. So um, let me know. I looked at JA's Navy stats and increased them a bit since I am larger and have a mightier Defense budget ;-)

The Voltarum Fleet

The Voltarum Navy, pride of the Voltarum Military, consists of 7 fleets. Involved in this campaign are the 1st-4th Fleets, plus Raven Group which was explained in the IC thread.

Each Fleet in the Navy consists of 7 groups - 4 Battle Groups, 2 Assault Groups, 1 Invasion Groups.

Each Battle Group Contains: (27 ships)
2 Warcrown (Nimitz) Class Super Carriers
5 Waterhouse (Arleigh Burke) Class Aegis Destroyers
5 Voltaru (Ticonderoga) Class Cruisers
4 Bearback (Oliver Hazzard) Class Frigates
5 Clawtooth (Seawolf) Class Submarines
1 Emory Land Class Sub Tender (Modified for Clawtooth Class)
1 Coronado Class Command Communication Ship
1 Osprey Class Mine Sweeper
2 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ships
1 AOE 6 Supply Ship

Each Assault Group Contains: (22 Ships)
1 Warcrown Class Super Carrier
4 Waterhouse Class Aegis Destroyers
3 Voltaru Class Cruisers
2 Bearback Class Frigates
6 Clawtooth Class Submarines
2 Emory Land Class Sub Tender
1 Impeccable Class Acoustic Ship
2 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ships
1 AOE 6 Supply Ship

Each Invasion Group Contains: (32 Ships)
1 Warcrown Class Carrier
3 Waterhouse Class Aegis Destroyers
3 Voltaru Class Cruisers
12 Wasp Class Amphibious Assault
4 Harpers Ferry Class Amphibious
3 Newport Class Tank Landing Ship
2 Los Angeles Class Submarines (Dry Dock Shelter)
2 Avenger Class Mine Countermeasures Ships
1 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ship
1 AOE 6 Supply Ship


Total Ships = 27*4+22*2+32*1 = 184 Ships per Fleet
= 736 Ships in Naval Force Deployment

Fleet Commander - Admiral Ja'rod Kathon, V.B.S. Revolution
1st Fleet Flagship - V.B.S. Revolution, Warcrown Class
2nd Fleet Flagship - V.B.S. Valiant, Warcrown Class
3rd Fleet Flagship - V.B.S. Titan, Warcrown Class
4th Fleet Flagship - V.B.S. Athena, Warcrown Class

Aircraft Carrier Specs:
VX-07 Class Fighters (SuperHornets) make up the workforce of the Naval Air Strike. Some of the older carriers have VX-06 Class Fighters (Tomcats) squads as well. All groups have logistic planes, as well as Sea Dragon Class helicopters. Several Marine Cobra Attack Helicopters are also deployed on flagship carriers.

Hmmm, big fleet, but you said you specialize in that sector, so I'm not complaining.

As far as Borman goes, lets see what develops. But just seeing his "fleet" makes me nervous

I've only been in one Naval battle. I really don't know diddly squat when it comes to navy, Im like Napolean(Land general, not sea). I dont know why you said "fleet" but I'm open to any suggestions, especially since you know what your talking about.

Problem with the bomber.

You're telling me it can be stealthy, while using pulse detonation? Turbofans provide only subsonic speed, so I'm guessing the real power comes from the PDE's. Explain how you can keep your IR signature low, while fuel+air is exploding out of the back end.

Sorry to butt in guys, but i noticed something. Turbofans cant provide supersonic speed!?? NOT TRUE! The Tornado, Harrier, F-15, F-14, the list goes on, they all use turbofan engines, and yet they can go Mach 2 and above.

Doom: Ok, good... was hoping it wasn't too big... and remember some of that total are support ships. And contrary to your IC post, this is more than a 4th of my navy... more like almost half. Not sure if that was a mistake or not.

Borman: I meant, I think that is a pretty large force for a country your size.. Was just wondering, is that your whole navy, or just most of it?

Voltarum

I've got 6 of my 7 Operational fleets committed to this, which is why my force is so large, had to leave one behind to defend the homeland. I'll be activating my reserves soon for homeland defense so I can send the last one as well.

Hmmm, big fleet, but you said you specialize in that sector, so I'm not complaining.

sorry, in a hurry.

what's comprises your fleet?

you mention sending 3 fleets.

So...if I kill a good amount of those ships, you're screwed, aren't you?

sorry, in a hurry.

what's comprises your fleet?

you mention sending 3 fleets.
Oh, yeah, almost forgot about that-

3rd Fleet-

20 Arleigh Burke class
14 Ticonderoga class
25 Oliver Hazzard Perry class
20 Spruance class
2 Nimitz class
10 Seawolf class

1st Fleet-
18 Arleigh Burke class
10 Ticonderoga class
20 Spruance class
25 Oliver Hazzard Perry class
2 Greco class(carriers, see Nikolaos' thread)
8 Seawolf

5th Fleet-

14 Arleigh Burke Class
10 Ticonderoga Class
16 Spruance class
18 Oliver Hazzard Perry class
1 Greco class
2 Yorktown class
14 Seawolf class

Sorry to butt in guys, but i noticed something. Turbofans cant provide supersonic speed!?? NOT TRUE! The Tornado, Harrier, F-15, F-14, the list goes on, they all use turbofan engines, and yet they can go Mach 2 and above.

Harrier can't go mach 2. But I think all of those use afterburners, which really isn't an option if you're trying to be stealthy (ir signature and all).

Harrier can't go mach 2. But I think all of those use afterburners, which really isn't an option if you're trying to be stealthy (ir signature and all).

The F-22 and JSF use Turbofans and can break Mach 1 in super-cruise without an afterburner. Can we end this now?

Btw, attack my fleet already

The F-22 and JSF use Turbofans and can break Mach 1 in super-cruise without an afterburner. Can we end this now?

No.

See, the problem is, you guys don't get the point.

My point was, Doomingsland's plane is a bomber, and with turbofans, can not break mach 1. All of the above planes mentioned were fighter planes. I don't believe there are any bombers that use turbofans and can break mach 1 and can retain stealth.



Btw, attack my fleet already

Look up the word quarantine. Read FSM's post. It says not to attack.

Can you guys RP running into each other already, my fleet should be getting very close to his now.

Can you guys RP running into each other already, my fleet should be getting very close to his now.

I haven't even rp'd my guys taking anchor yet, I'm really busy, please do not rush me.

JA, have we figured out who ignored who yet? I stated earlier that I don't ignore FSM, and if I did at one time, I don't recall. However, since you are convinced that I did, I will take your word for it and lift whatever ignore there was. I ask that FSM would do the same, if he ignores me, as I have no terrible problems with him or you for that matter. I just did not like all the griefing and baiting on both sides in the initial thread.

okay then, well can you at least RP encountering my fleet or at least attempting to stop it, I could have gone halfway around the damm world in the time it takes you start your "quarantine."

Btw, I didn't bother to read what you guys were arguing about with the engines and all, I was just giving some info and hoping that we could move on, but whatever.

JA, have we figured out who ignored who yet? I stated earlier that I don't ignore FSM, and if I did at one time, I don't recall. However, since you are convinced that I did, I will take your word for it and lift whatever ignore there was. I ask that FSM would do the same, if he ignores me, as I have no terrible problems with him or you for that matter. I just did not like all the griefing and baiting on both sides in the initial thread.

ok i found this:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7406679&postcount=32

You ignored FSM, FSM did not ignore you at first, but I talked to him and convinced him it's not worth arguing with somebody who wrongfully acuses him and I for flaming (I believe it was because one of us made an IC comment about Borman's leader, and you took it personally). So now, I am adding you to my ignore list.

okay then, well can you at least RP encountering my fleet or at least attempting to stop it, I could have gone halfway around the damm world in the time it takes you start your "quarantine."

Btw, I didn't bother to read what you guys were arguing about with the engines and all, I was just giving some info and hoping that we could move on, but whatever.

WHAT. THE. FUDGE.

What part of "I'M BUSY" do you not understand? I'm doing homework right now, and I'm just checking this thread from time to time.

Yes, I could do it now, but I don't want the quality of the post to suffer because I didn't have enough time to put enough detail.

Have a little patience.

WHAT. THE. FUDGE.

What part of "I'M BUSY" do you not understand? I'm doing homework right now, and I'm just checking this thread from time to time.

Yes, I could do it now, but I don't want the quality of the post to suffer because I didn't have enough time to put enough detail.

Have a little patience.

I didn't see your post as you posted it while I was writing.

Therefore I did not know you were busy.

This war is moving extremely slowly. But I will wait.

ok i found this:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7406679&postcount=32

You ignored FSM, FSM did not ignore you at first, but I talked to him and convinced him it's not worth arguing with somebody who wrongfully acuses him and I for flaming (I believe it was because one of us made an IC comment about Borman's leader, and you took it personally). So now, I am adding you to my ignore list.

Wow, way to take offense at an apology. Now I remember why I ignored you guys in the first place. Hell, good riddance.

...who wrongfully acuses him and I for flaming (I believe it was because one of us made an IC comment about Borman's leader, and you took it personally...

If I accused FSM of flaming I take that back, I can't think of a time he has. FSM has made me mad, but never thrown fuel on the fire by flaming.

Borman: I meant, I think that is a pretty large force for a country your size.. Was just wondering, is that your whole navy, or just most of it?

First off-I have a complicated system with labor and drawing from colonies, so I RP a larger force.

Secondly-Thats most of my navy. I only have my navy there, at home, and one more place.

Third-I toned it down by thirty ships. I probably will a little more if you still find it god-modish.

Then you're not located on earth? Don't you recall us saying we only RP with REAL landmasses, which is why we told you to move from a fictional landmass in the Atlantic to Australia. Obviously you either didn't understand why, or you chose to disregard that request. But again, whatever, we'll just get this started.

And to Intelligent Neighbors, FYI, we haven't declared war. In fact, what we are doing is parallel to JFK's quarantine of Cuba during the missile crisis, and the USSR did not go to war over that. Plus, I'm asking that you raise the quality of your post before joining the RP, so your actions have been ignored by now. And we're going to need geographic info.


I understand about the poor post quality, I am not so good at describing peaceful actions. As soon as the war starts I will show my best. I know you haven't declared war, but y'know, it was IC Rping. I'll give you geographic Info:

I own Iceland, and MAli, Mauritania and Senegal

(post later, gtg)

Ok... I think at the rate we are going the ground forces in Doom are going to have time to build a double maginot lines around his territory :D

I suggust FSM & Co. attack the convoy or hold it up or something. :) We need to start this RP, may I suggust an end to the OOC bickering, also can we say no more allies can join or something? Otherwise t'will get too much of a dogpile, but I think we could have maybe one or two more on FSM's side to make this invasion/blockade 'possible' but Doom def. no more allies.

FSM, check your TG's as requested.

Voltarum, I am going to write a post about finding the wherabouts of your fleet, but first I need to know where it actually is so I don't make any mistakes. Help would be appreciated.

bump

Am I allowed in? I should have cheaked the OOC thread earlyier but I was busy, (I have a hell of a lot of coursework on right now) If so can I be added to the defenders?

Well, FSM and JA don't appear to be getting much support, but I think we can close this RP to the people already involved, and the other guys with troops on my soil (yes, I have more).

Voltarum, I am going to write a post about finding the wherabouts of your fleet, but first I need to know where it actually is so I don't make any mistakes. Help would be appreciated.

Yeah i could use some too lol. Which "fleet" are you talking about?

If you are talking about the main fleet, its over 700 ships. I don't think you really have to RP finding it... I think Europe can see it lol

If you are talking about the Sub group (Raven Group), then they are headed toward's Doomingsland's Fleet. (i.e. Behind it, once they get into International waters, IF that happens)

I am confused about the geography right now, because I am new to this quarrel. If we are assumign the CAD is "by" australia (or is, whatever), then I am supposed to be heading toward the Eastern coast, to help with my end of the quarantine.

Though now that I look at it, isn't Wiraway comign across the INdian Ocean? Why did JA tell me to go to the East coast?

/me is confused

And to Borman, i was hesitant because you used the word Fleet, meaning it was a part of your Navy... I don't think it is god mod if it comprises most of your navy... on the other hand: this quote:
"First off-I have a complicated system with labor and drawing from colonies, so I RP a larger force."

What do you mean "Colonies"? You mean other nations in NS you own? Which is like against RP rules? Please explain, because I am not liking it =)

Finally, to Doom: I dont know if that quote was for me (if i destroy your fleet, you are screwed?) I wouldnt say my nation is screwed, if thats what you mean... but my role in this RP may be harmed just a bit =)

Voltarum

Ok.

Why is Borman "calling for allies?" First of all, Borman is only recognized by me right now (and thats shaky), since he is on ignore with JA and FSM, so is this really necessary? I have said that I am not invading any country, so those marines are just going to sit there and be bored unless JA and FSM decides to recognize them, which I doubt.

... I would post more IC, but I am waiting for things to be cleared up and JA to finish his homework =) You know, I DID major in physics, so if you need help .. hehehe

Voltarum

What do you mean "Colonies"? You mean other nations in NS you own? Which is like against RP rules? Please explain, because I am not liking it...

Yeah, precisely. I have never seen that it was agaisnt RP rules, I got the idea from DA, he was CM at the time. I read the stickies when I started and never saw anything related to that. If you have a link to a place stating otherwise I would like to see it please.

Like I said, I doubt they will ignore me, even though I have no clue why FSM does and an idea for JA that is shaky and false.

But the men can help build fortifications and the like or help to manage citizens. And if, Hopefully when, one of them un-ignores me I can use them.

Any more questions?

hrm, maybe not against rules, but Puppet Multiing is really, really, lame.

And it ticks people off, like me.

Maybe JA was right =\

Voltarum

Okay a little clarification needed here. Doomingsland said in an earlier post the RP is closed to the actors already involved, if so no problem? Is this an accurate statement? If not, Borman Empire has called for aid from an alliance we belong to and I wish to assist CAD in this action. If several of the agressor nations are ignoring Borman's involvement in this war, then will my offer of assistance to CAD be ignored?

Someone please make a decision and post because the arm chair quarterbacking in this ooc thread is getting pretty annoying.

If I am allowed to assist CAD here are my stats.

My Nation is located in Greater Freedom Region and I occupy present-day Norway, Sweden, and Finland.

My forces that will be commited to this action, if allowed, are as follows:

1st Marine Expeditionary Force
2nd Marine Expeditionary Force
3rd Marine Expeditionary Force

Each consisting of the following:

Soldiers: 33,750 Combat Soldiers - 25,500 Logistics Support
192 M1A2
1,116 M2A3 Bradley IFV
750 AAVP7A1
324 M777 Towed
135 M247 Sergeant York
54 M163 Vulcan
162 M1128 Stryker CV
54 PAC-3 Missile Systems
81 MIM-23 HawkB SAM
165 AH-64 Apache
138 AH-1W Cobra
216 CH-47 Chinooks
138 UH-60 Blackhawk’s
27 AVLB (M60 Chassis)
81 Combat Engineer Tractors
M728 Combat Engineer Tank
6,000 HMMWV (1,200 equipped with M2 .50 MG, 600 Avenger, and 750 TOW II equip.)
3,600 Various Trucks

(2) Refueling Wings (10 KC-10 Refuelers per wing)

(4) Conventional Bombing Wings consisting of:

(5) B-1B Bomber’s
(5) B-52 Stratofortresses
(5) FB-111 FighterBomber
(10) F-16 Fighting Falcon’s
(5) SU-34 FighterBomber’s
(5) EF-2000 Typhoon FighterBomber

(1) Carrier Battle Group consisting of:

(1) Nimitz Class Carrier- equipped with 85 FA-18 Hornet’s
(3) Spruance Class Destroyers
(2) Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
(3) Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyer/Frigates
(2) Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyers
(1) AEO-6 Fast Combat Support Ship
(1) T-AE 26 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ship
(1) T-AO 187 Kaiser Class Oiler Ship


(2) Battle Strike Groups consisting of:

(1) Illeana Vassili-Class Carrier- equipped with 115 FA-18 Hornet’s
(2) SSN-688 Los Angeles Class Submarines
(3) Seawolf Class Submarines
(5) Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
(4) Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyer/Frigates
(3) Arleigh Burke AEIGS Destroyer’s
(1) AEO-6 Fast Combat Support Ship
(1) T-AE 26 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ship
(1) T-AO 187 Kaiser Class Oiler Ship


(1) TAH-10 Mercy Class Hospital Ship



Thanks in advance,

Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Someone tell Ruthless Slaughter to delete that post, or I won't allow him to RP in this war.

And those who are bumping either thread, please don't.

RS can't get on the internet till monday.

what post are you referring to FSM?

what post are you referring to FSM?

I think he means the one in the IC thread where he's posting an OOC comment.

edit: crud, i just overwrote my own map with the one I made for this thread...

grrrr.

Please put me as a defender too. And JA, don't flatter yourself with thinking you could beat me easily.

Good first page, kudos. One minor change, I have my colony in Mozambique but my main nation is based in the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg.

Please put me as a defender too. And JA, don't flatter yourself with thinking you could beat me easily.

No. You will ruin this RP. 31 million men? You don't have the economy to support that.

Good first page, kudos. One minor change, I have my colony in Mozambique but my main nation is based in the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg.

Alright, it's up to you now to post contact with our forces.

How did you end up getting visual contact with Doomingsland's forces? You really should edit that part out.

FSM are you going to answer the question that I asked?

-Hawdawg

hrm, maybe not against rules, but Puppet Multiing is really, really, lame.

And it ticks people off, like me.

Maybe JA was right =\

Voltarum

JA right? Fat chance, he has no reason what so ever to ignore me.

Puppet multiing? I know of puppet wanking, like bringing in puppets to help. I have seen other people do that and people use soldiers from conquered territories, which I guess is puppet multiing.

Either way is wouldn't affect this. I dont use that for my navy, so if I didn't then my navy wouldn't be different.

Maybe GE was right.

Good first page, kudos. One minor change, I have my colony in Mozambique but my main nation is based in the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg.

What! I am JA are more pissed at eachother than FSM and I and he has a harder ignore. I told him two thigns that he could fix in the front page a couple pages back. Btu he payed no attention. This is...hmm....Calming down.

Add me as a defender also. I will post in the IC thread soon.

Sry Borman, I just thought that he did a good job with it I didn't realize you already asked him.

Sry Borman, I just thought that he did a good job with it I didn't realize you already asked him.

Its not your fault, apparently he has a hard ignore on me. He has no reason to ignore me and he is ignoring me so much he won't even listen when I tell him something he can fix.

Yeah i could use some too lol. Which "fleet" are you talking about?

If you are talking about the main fleet, its over 700 ships. I don't think you really have to RP finding it... I think Europe can see it lol

If you are talking about the Sub group (Raven Group), then they are headed toward's Doomingsland's Fleet. (i.e. Behind it, once they get into International waters, IF that happens)

I am confused about the geography right now, because I am new to this quarrel. If we are assumign the CAD is "by" australia (or is, whatever), then I am supposed to be heading toward the Eastern coast, to help with my end of the quarantine.

Though now that I look at it, isn't Wiraway comign across the INdian Ocean? Why did JA tell me to go to the East coast?

/me is confused



700 ships! Damn that's big. Which 'Earth' are we on BTW?

Also, does Doom own the whole of Australia? Because there is no blockade to the south of the nation.

Doom, where is the allied fleet that you want me to vanguard.

I think we are assumign that CAD is australia.. Doom is just on it, somewhere?

maybe?

heh

Voltarum

IN, we're basicly a fictional continent that's located where Australia would normaly be, and the fleet is en route to Wirraway's fleet. Voltarum, B1s and B2s can't be carrier based, it's impossible, the bombers would fit, first of all, and the runway would be no where near big enough.

Where is Wirraway's fleet then?

Sorry for the ceaseless questions.

JA or FSM, how would you like our first contact to go, I'll just assume that you see me first becuase my fleet is such a gigantic target and emitting high powered AEGIS radar almost constantly. BTW, you still have to deal with the Doomingslandian fleet coming out of the continent behind your blockade.

Where is Wirraway's fleet then?

Sorry for the ceaseless questions.

I'm coming out of the Indian Ocean to the northwest of CAD/Australia.

Im coming from the same direction as Wirraway and should meet his fleet soon seeing as he has slowed down.

I probably have Tonsillitis or at least some problem with my tonsils, go ahead FSM/JA and celebrate, so I may not be able to finish this off. Or I may not have to have my tonasils removed and get to stay and finish this.

Ok guys, I realize this thing is getting too big. So I'm going to limit this RP to only those who:

1) Have strong IC reasons for joining the war. Remember, just because you're in an alliance doesn't mean you should jump in and fight. The US didn't join WWII until Pearl Harbor, even though their allies were getting their arses kicked in Europe. This will pretty much limit it to those who have had fights with us before.

or

2) Those who have nations pretty close to the warzone. This means the newer nations that weren't in the first two wars can fight, it would be silly to not allow them. However, this does not include nations that have bases in the country being attacked.

Message to my allies: Yes, I know this will bar some of the people we planned on entering, but I would rather have a smaller scale RP.

Don't complain, the other thread had SemiOpen affixed to it, I just forgot to put it on this one.

So, this means:

Hawdawg
Intelligent Neighbors
The Merchant Guilds
(did i miss any)

can't join.

Those who wanted to join on our side (you know who you are, I do not wish to reveal you as an ally so I won't list your names) but can't because of the new rules, I'm really sorry. But, I have to be fair to both sides and it will keep the RP smaller.

You should at least let TMG join, he posted some pretty good stuff so far, and he got involved pretty early on.

wow, you are right Doom about the bombers...... i wasnt even thinking about that lol. Serves me right for posting with a hangover.

I will edit the post...

Voltarum

Thank you for a response, and no problem we will sit this one out.

-Hawdawg

So, this means:

Hawdawg
Intelligent Neighbors
The Merchant Guilds
(did i miss any)

can't join.




Ok, but what about my forces already on the Island (RWC base exchange). I will let Doom command them if he wants.

FSM and I will probably be unable to post for the rest of the week. So hold it off until the weekend, ok?

Sure, and I'll go upgrade my current stuff even more than it already is.

FSM and I will probably be unable to post for the rest of the week. So hold it off until the weekend, ok?

ok.....:{ I want to get this over with already, as you can see AMF if throwing the blindly following masses of NS into a furor again.

Im just gona RP my forces getting there or within sight, I know this doesnt affect you but I don't want you saying you asked me not to post.

man.... what do you guys do all week?

Anyway, to Ruthless - you information is wrong - my fleet is the furthest away from the Wirraway fleet... they are not "on top of me." Look at the map on the first post of this.

If you want to go ahead with it, fine, but depending on where your navy is you have to go through FSM's and/or JA's grid first... unless you are tkaing a longer way around.

Please clear this up for me =)~

Voltarum

Wirraway, could you use that mao on the first page to show where your fleet is?

Also, I think to be fair Im not going to go right through FSM or JA under the pretext that they dont exist. And on the map there is a break between JA and FSM. Could this be a safe route to travel or woudl it be considered covered?

Im basically right at that break in the lines of JA and FSM trying to pass through, some of the Voltarum's fleet are so far North that they are actually in the FSM line. It might be better of you just shifted you whole fleet over Voltarum, then we could begin to RP the conflict before JA and FSM get involved.

Crimsdale is back and I'll protect my past allies (and hopefully still) from any harm caused by the communist oppressors.

Please bring me up to speed as I have been gone for four to five months and don't understand exactly whats happened just yet.

I am pretty sure this RP is closed to any more people Crimsdale.

And as far as my fleet... I will post later today on that.

Voltarum

To Crimsdale: I didn't notice you already posted in the IC. Until JA or FSM say its ok, though, I am ignoring it for now.

To Borman: It would be safe to say that portion is covered =)

To Ruthless: Still waiting for you to Re: my last post about your attacks so I can post again. If you go ahead, you have a link to this "Cloak Drive" with explanations of how it works? Also, do you have specs on the class of sub you are using? I have not RPed much here, so if it is a common ship.. show me the way =)

To Wirraway: If you fleet is that close to me, then yeah, I guess we could RP a bit more... you would have to respond IC to my warning, though. =) I don't want to start anything major, however, without JA and FSM since this is really their party...

Voltarum

They'll let him in, he was in the original conflict.

Still busy guys, maybe on Friday we'll be able to get something done IC.

Remember, until then, don't do any movements, otherwise, we'll ignore it.

They'll let him in, he was in the original conflict.

Not quite. We need a map, geographic locations, the works.

Crimsdale is back and I'll protect my past allies (and hopefully still) from any harm caused by the communist oppressors.

Who are you calling Communist? Your country's economic system is less laissez-faire than my country.

And Crimsdale, please delete that IC post you made, and don't make any more IC posts until FSM has agreed to let you join.

Nikalous, how are you "joining" Doom's fleet? We are surrounding his nation, so how did you get through our line?

Unless I am mistaken and you were there before we got there... please clarify.

...

Voltarum

My fleets got there before and if you check the other thread you will see that.

Crimsdale is the C in CAD, so thats why he is coming. But I'm not sure where he is. I presume you are on the same Island as Doom, or are you somewhere else?

The point is not that he is in CAD, the point is that this conflict was shut off to more RPers before he posted. FSM and JA have to recognize him first, so I don't know why you guys keep posting IC interacting with him, especially after JA told him to delete that post.

sigh.

Also, Nikolaus, sorry, forgot about that old thread. (it has been like, a month lol) BUt I do not see any stats on those fleets. Please post at earliest convenience.

Voltarum

Every fleet has the following:

-6 Curtis Fabus Class Battleships
-9 H.N. Greco Class Carrier
-30 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyer.
-30 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers.
-15 General Purpose Gunboats.
-9 Virginia Class Future Attack Submarine.
-9 Trident II Class Ballistic Missile Submarines.
-6 Command Ship

And for more info on my military check out my nation's site at: http://www.bddnetwork.com/nationstates/military.html

I see what you mean, it make sense. But I posted my IC reaction before I saw the OOC thread.

Back in action.

Check out the IC thread in a few mins.

Wow, I totaly forgot about this!

RB would like to join the war.

Wait for them to accept you before RPing in the IC thread.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372814&highlight=Joint+fighter

Link to the fighter you're up against. Have fun, kids.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372814&highlight=Joint+fighter

Link to the fighter you're up against. Have fun, kids.

Guess it's time to release the F-3 JASDF Fighter.

I gotta finish the modeling though. Or steal/borrow one.

Don't worry, I'm already working on a new one.

Don't worry, I'm already working on a new one.

you know, it's pretty expensive to research/build new technology. have you ever heard of the phrase "if it isn't broken don't fix it" ? Your plane just entered service, and your engineers are working on a new one? Pretty bad use of funds. Well, whatever floats your boat.

No, actualy it's been in service for quite a while, and the new one is actualy an international effort with some other guys who shall remain nameless until I use it (even though I doubt we'll finish it in time to be used in the war). Besides, it'll probably just end up being an upgrade to the current model. So, once FSM responds and pisses off the Wirrawayens, we can go ahead and start blowing the living sh*t out of each other.

No, actualy it's been in service for quite a while, and the new one is actualy an international effort with some other guys who shall remain nameless until I use it (even though I doubt we'll finish it in time to be used in the war). Besides, it'll probably just end up being an upgrade to the current model. So, once FSM responds and pisses off the Wirrawayens, we can go ahead and start blowing the living sh*t out of each other.

It's ok, the plane has been ignored.

Do you think you could respond JA? Or are you still very busy, in which case sorry for asking.

Do you think you could respond JA? Or are you still very busy, in which case sorry for asking.

I'm too busy to write a full IC post, but I can do some short OOC posts.

It's ok, the plane has been ignored.
You have no decent reason to ignore it, I'm just waiting for Soviet Bloc to post before I change stats.

You have no decent reason to ignore it, I'm just waiting for Soviet Bloc to post before I change stats.

What are you talking about? How hard is it to understand that by cooling the air, you lose energy, so the plane won't be able to fly?

Errr, yeah, I know that, ever hear of supercruise? There's no cooling going on with the afterburners.

Errr, yeah, I know that, ever hear of supercruise? There's no cooling going on with the afterburners.

but once you turn on the cooling, it crashes.

Soviet Bloc responded to the other thread, and his explanation should clear things up.

Soviet Bloc responded to the other thread, and his explanation should clear things up.

rebuttal posted as well.

This is making my head hurt.

If we don't resolve this crap soon, my navy and I are going to fall asleep and fall on the UNSUBSCRIBE button.

This is making my head hurt.

If we don't resolve this crap soon, my navy and I are going to fall asleep and fall on the UNSUBSCRIBE button.

no action until we get the whole aircraft plausibility thing sorted out.

[edit]

FSM has asked me to tell you this.

For tommorow, expect an updated map and responses to the various attacks. If the aircraft deal is not resolved by time of posting, it will be assumed that JSFs or F/A-22's are being used.

This is making my head hurt.

If we don't resolve this crap soon, my navy and I are going to fall asleep and fall on the UNSUBSCRIBE button.

same.... talk about protracted wars.

I've been invited by Japanese Antarctica, an old ally of mine, to help even the odds a bit for their side. I'll be fighting against the C A D (No fear: I won't even use a percent of my forces), who, as I understand, is stationed in Australia. Shortly, I will by posting a short RP detailing my setting up of an outpost in New Guinea, who JA says is free for me to use. It will serve as a safe zone and a staging point for whatever attacks go on. Since I have no navy (My extensive air force is more than capable of transporting all that I need, but I was lucky enough to borrow some allied ocean transport vessels) I will be using allied ships to get me to and from the war zone. Any questions? TM me fairly soon, because I'll be getting started momentarily.

I look forward to giving this war a kick in the pants, so let's try not to do too much in the way of OOC arguing.

OK, I fixed the stats to something TPM said was OK, so we can get going, we'll deal with the other Soviet Bloc planes as we move on (you probably won't fight the super fast ones until you hit the mainland, IF you manage to get that far(which I hope you do, I'm in the mood for a land battle)).

I've been invited by Japanese Antarctica, an old ally of mine, to help even the odds a bit for their side. I'll be fighting against the C A D (No fear: I won't even use a percent of my forces), who, as I understand, is stationed in Australia. Shortly, I will by posting a short RP detailing my setting up of an outpost in New Guinea, who JA says is free for me to use. It will serve as a safe zone and a staging point for whatever attacks go on. Since I have no navy (My extensive air force is more than capable of transporting all that I need, but I was lucky enough to borrow some allied ocean transport vessels) I will be using allied ships to get me to and from the war zone. Any questions? TM me fairly soon, because I'll be getting started momentarily.

I look forward to giving this war a kick in the pants, so let's try not to do too much in the way of OOC arguing.
Nope, RP's closed, sorry.

Nope, RP's closed, sorry.

Let him in Doom, we need some action in this thing and to balance out the odds a little.

Nope, RP's closed, sorry.


JA figured that you would put up a fight before I even got started. Are you objecting because you (rightfully) fear death, or because you have legitimate authority over the matter? I am a man of my word, and I will send no more than fifty thousand of my men against your fortifications. Granted, there will be reserves by the hundred thousands back at the outpost.

Nope, RP's closed, sorry.

RP is not closed. The requirements for entry are that either the nation participated in the original Soviet Expanse Wars, or the nation is roughly in the area of combat.

New Guinea is just north of Australia, making him elligible for this competition. It's already been cleared with FSM, so he is in.

[edit]

FSM adds:

We're playing with the idea of unignoring Borman Empire and Generic Empire, provided that their participation is limited to mostly IC, no OOC complaints or trash talking. Bring it up with them, if they accept, have them telegram me.

-FSM

I was merely stating that under the fact that FSM said that it was closed, but since he's letting him in, I don't think 50,000 guys will make much of a difference. So let's get started. SB posted again, and as I have stated before, I fixed the stats. We only need for FSM to post ignoring the Wirrawayen messages, and we can go ahead and turn it into a shooting war.

I don't think 50,000 guys will make much of a difference.


Oh, silly me. Did I say 50,000 guys? I meant to say 50,000 of my Nephilim warriors, the epitome of an awesomely destructive and powerful infantry unit, created to rival the Sentinels of AMF and the Reavers of Pantera, and wreak havoc even in relatively small numbers. I might even throw in a few Mobile Weapons Batteries, although that will hardly be necessary. Let's get started, shall we?

Oh, silly me. Did I say 50,000 guys? I meant to say 50,000 of my Nephilim warriors, the epitome of an awesomely destructive and powerful infantry unit, created to rival the Sentinels of AMF and the Reavers of Pantera, and wreak havoc even in relatively small numbers. I might even throw in a few Mobile Weapons Batteries, although that will hardly be necessary. Let's get started, shall we?

Now you've got my attention buddy, maybe we'll actually be able to finish this damm thing.

After reading your tech, I've come to the conclusion that your infantry are semi-future tech. Bio-mech suits? Man portable 20mm cannons? None of that seems feasable. And this RP is now CLOSED, meaning Halberdanger has to stay out.

And I need specs for your tanks and planes, as well.

RB would like to join the war.

Am I accepted?

I'd accept your troops if you dumped the OMG INVINABEL!111 suits, though, that's the only part I found future tech-ish.

Oh, silly me. Did I say 50,000 guys? I meant to say 50,000 of my Nephilim warriors, the epitome of an awesomely destructive and powerful infantry unit, created to rival the Sentinels of AMF and the Reavers of Pantera, and wreak havoc even in relatively small numbers. I might even throw in a few Mobile Weapons Batteries, although that will hardly be necessary. Let's get started, shall we?
Your Nephilim warriors will have some trouble getting pass my Hoplites and that is even if you are able to get your soldiers on land.

And this RP is now CLOSED, meaning Halberdanger has to stay out.

RTFP.

Ok guys, I realize this thing is getting too big. So I'm going to limit this RP to only those who:

1) Have strong IC reasons for joining the war. Remember, just because you're in an alliance doesn't mean you should jump in and fight. The US didn't join WWII until Pearl Harbor, even though their allies were getting their arses kicked in Europe. This will pretty much limit it to those who have had fights with us before.

or

2) Those who have nations pretty close to the warzone. This means the newer nations that weren't in the first two wars can fight, it would be silly to not allow them. However, this does not include nations that have bases in the country being attacked.

Halberdanger was in the original Soviet Expanse wars, so he's in due to exception #1. Same goes with NTG, he was in the first Soviet Expanse wars (albeit on our side, but it still applies) so he's in.

Roach Busters is accepted due to exception #2. From my understanding, he's in SE Asia, so that will qualify him.

Working on the map right now.

Funny how Doom knew the rules when Crimsdale wanted to join but wants to suddenly say its closed? hehehe.

Yes a map would be good. =)

Voltarum

Alright, but seriously, this RP's starting to get a little big, there's about ten nations taking part now, so I think we should put a lid on it. Meaning RB and Halberdanger would be the last guys in on it.

Roach Busters is accepted due to exception #2.

Thanks. :)

This is really getting boring, can FSM just post denying the Wirrawayens entry and get on with it? It doesn't even need to be super long and detailed, I just want this thing to start.

This is really getting boring, can FSM just post denying the Wirrawayens entry and get on with it? It doesn't even need to be super long and detailed, I just want this thing to start.

Same here. My military is thirsty for fresh blood (not literally, though).

This is really getting boring, can FSM just post denying the Wirrawayens entry and get on with it? It doesn't even need to be super long and detailed, I just want this thing to start.

Vagueness is what starts misunderstanding. We will have none of that.

FSM speaking now.

I'm not exactly sure where Doomingsland, Ruthless Slaughter and Nikolaos the Great's ships are, the name of the body of water they are in would be great, because I don't want to make a map with the wrong information.

I need to head to the city tonight, so the most will probably be a completed map. Tommorow will definitely be the declaration of war, I actually have part of it written up so that I don't waste time coming up with a dialogue and stuff.

To FSM-

I'm a bit confused with that as well, my fleet should be directly in front of Wirraway's fleet as they're approaching the mainland, with your fleet in between.

To FSM-

I'm a bit confused with that as well, my fleet should be directly in front of Wirraway's fleet as they're approaching the mainland, with your fleet in between.
And my fleets are with Doomingsland's fleet.

I TGed you FSM. And RB, we're not supposed to bump.

NTG, could we have a brief overview of these hoplites?

Alright, Doom. I have no idea how good a fighter or RPer you are, but you are a first class nit-picker. A lot of good it will do you, though.

First, you are correct: I am not modern tech, yet nor am I future. This is "Near future", AKA 2020 tech. AK's and M4A1'a bored me to death, so I kicked things up a notch.

The suits are the product of years of research and billions of dollars of government funding. Bio-mech doesn't mean that it's some sort of living organism that attaches to them, it means that it is very advanced armor made out of expensive stuff. Why don't I know exactly what they're made of? Because, like AMF was just saying in his thread, I really don't care for the really tiny details. The suit attaches to the Nephilim much like the people in The Matrix are plugged into the Matrix. It is extremely durable, lasts potentially for decades, and allows almost total freedom of movement. Is this unfair? Well, that's a real shame, because I was developing them before you even had a nation. If that's harsh, well, I apologize, my hand hurts like hell from when some kid kicked it at Tae Kwon Do earlier.

The suits provide excellent defense from assault weapons, good defense from splash-effect weapons (Grenades, stuff like that), but you can cut through it like butter with tank shells and the like. They're meant to be strong, because I play to win, but not invincible, because that's lame.

The question of the heavy weapons. How do they carry them, you ask? Easy enough: years of selective breeding, cloning, genetic modification, and stuff like steroids gives the Nephilim inhuman strength, much like the half-humans half-angels of the Old Testament (Strength of twenty men, stuff like that). They could carry the weapons well enough like that, but one must remember that their suit also accomodates for about half-three quarters of the weight.

All in all, they're fairly agile, inhumanly strong, heavily armed, and can take a hell of a beating before they go down. On the bright side, I didn't even send a full legion after you, so you should be thankful. I'll take my losses when they are deserved, you have my word on that. I expect heavy losses in the ground invasion, but I did not come several thousand miles just to let Australia, of all places, repel me. :P

From what I got from the IC thread, Wirrway's fleet is outside range of JA's and FSM's fleet, right where you two meet. The group that is approaching Doomingsland coast is heading right at that point between you two. Doomingsland and NTG's fleets are in formation heading toward that point as well.

What I am NOT sure of is the position of the other allies of Doom. Specifically, RB and Borman. I think Borman's fleet is with wirraway's? I am too annoyed to go looking through everythign to figure it out (likewise, borman, point me toward the list of ships in the fleets you sent? I know you posted it SOMEWHERE....)

Also, is Crimsdale out?? I agree we can't start with vagueness. We need that map/updated list of those involved. But quickly =)

Volt

I just looked at RB's stats? wtf is an achelosaur? You using dinosaurs? roflmao.

Are these all made up classes? do we have specs on them? (mayeb form previous war that i was not involved in?)

Also, 6,500 "Astute class" submarines?

SIX THOUSAND? Do you have any idea how many ships that is? I don't think they could FIT into the part of the ocean we are dealing with! I mean, logistics isn't all important, but that is just stupid.

is it me, or do these need to be changed?

Voltarum

Sorry, ToR, but until you can give me a decent explanation, your infantry are ignored, tone it down a tech level, you're beyond everyone else here. Yeah, RB, your sub numbers are way to excesive.

Sorry, ToR, but until you can give me a decent explanation, your infantry are ignored, tone it down a tech level, you're beyond everyone else here. Yeah, RB, your sub numbers are way to excesive.

Why is his explanation so hard for you to understand. Selective breeding. He breeds his soldiers to be bigger, faster and stronger. So what if it plugs into the soldier that is wearing the suit? Ever hear of an IV? Iron lung? Dialysis machine? All those things are machinery that aid the functions of the human body. From what I have read, the bio part just sounds like it helps the soldiers vitals. That doesn't sound like god modding to me.



In other news, FSM is working on the map right now with the new data. For stuff we are unclear about, he will just make assumptions.

As promised, the map has been updated. Action will be taken in one moment.

fun, although RB is not on there heh. Though until he fixes some of his stats, I'll just assume he is guarding the CAD shores for now =)

Also, attention Ruthless Slaughter: Now that I know you are close enough to me, would you like me to RP the post you made a week ago about hit and run attacks on my fleet? You never reposted when i asked where you were, so I don't know if you wanted to ignore that. its all good now that I know you are close enough to me, if you want to me to respond to it.

Also, I am assumign this: behind the Wirrawayan Green in the upper left is the other chunk of its fleet (all of the troop supports and remaining battlegroups). My sub group, Raven group, is just west of JA's west most detachment. Of course, no one has RPed finding them yet ;-)

Voltarum

Why is his explanation so hard for you to understand. Selective breeding. He breeds his soldiers to be bigger, faster and stronger. So what if it plugs into the soldier that is wearing the suit? Ever hear of an IV? Iron lung? Dialysis machine? All those things are machinery that aid the functions of the human body. From what I have read, the bio part just sounds like it helps the soldiers vitals. That doesn't sound like god modding to me.



In other news, FSM is working on the map right now with the new data. For stuff we are unclear about, he will just make assumptions.
You must have missed the part about them being semi-invulnerable to small arms fire, and still able to have excelent mobility while carrying a 20mm gattling gun. I consider that beyond my tech level.

NTG, could we have a brief overview of these hoplites?
Hoplites are sent to military school at age 6 or 7. They live, train and sleep in their barracks of their brotherhood. At school, they are taught survival skills and other skills necessary to be a great soldier. School courses are very hard and often painful. Hoplites are taught to read and write. But only warfare mattered. The boys are not fed well, and are told that it is fine to steal food as long as they do not get caught stealing. If they are caught, they are beaten. The boys march without shoes to make them strong. It is a brutal training period. Somewhere between the age of 18-20, Hoplites males have to pass a difficult test of fitness, military ability, and leadership skills. Any Hoplite male who does not pass these examinations becomes a normal soldier. If he passes, he becomes a Hoplite soldier. Hoplites are not allowed to touch money. A Hoplite soldier spends most of his life with his fellow soldiers. They eat, sleep, and continue to train in their brotherhood barracks. Even if they are married, they do not live with their wives and families. They live in the barracks but sometimes they do get permission to go see there wives and children for a week. Military service does not end until a Hoplite male reaches the age of 60. At age 60, a Hoplite could retire and live in his home with his family or starts training new recruits into becoming Hoplites.

At first Hoplites are trained to use the sword and the spear. Once they master the sword and the spear they move onto modern day weapons. They learn how to use guns and to aim well. When a Hoplite passes his examination he receives a well made steel sword. When Hoplites get into a battle they carry with them there swords and use it when they are face to face with the enemy. Almost all the Hoplites believe there is more honor dying while fighting with a sword then a gun.

Interesting fact: They are really well trained they do not need genetic engineering to make them stronger.

And TOR this: "The suits provide excellent defense from assault weapons, good defense from splash-effect weapons (Grenades, stuff like that)" is considered a godmode to me.

I suppose you'll want an overview of my legionaries,

The Doom Legionarie is a genetically purified soldier, incapable of emotion, and extremely well trained.

The origins of the modern Doom Legion were back when the emperor first came to power. He selected 200 men and women considered to be genetically superior, and began selectively breeding. Their children were taken at birth, and from that moment on, experienced nothing but death, blood, and war. After birth, legionaries are shown no compassion, making them all the more psycotic. As they grow, they are shown strict, unduanting, and very excesive disipline. They are taught that their only purpose in life is to serve the emperor, and are constantly trained in weapons and tactics. Their first weapon is a scimitar, recieving it at the age of eight, before then working at the shooting range. They learn to use their weapon expertly, and recieve a new weapon to train on every year. They are constantly having propaganda drilled into their heads, and are frequently beaten for seemingly minor causes, quickly destroying whatever emotional capacity they once had. They are trained up to the age of 20, when they join their legions as the perfect soldiers.

Exceptional legionaries are able to join Hunter-killer teams, Doomingsland's version of the Navy SEALs.

I know it's not alot, but I'll post more later, I'm busy right now.

You must have missed the part about them being semi-invulnerable to small arms fire, and still able to have excelent mobility while carrying a 20mm gattling gun. I consider that beyond my tech level.

a kevlar vest makes you semi-invulnerable to small arms fire, without restricting mobility. and the guys are really big and strong. how is that a problem?

i'm not sure though, wait till TOR comes back and ask him.

You know it's impossible to have good mobility when carrying a 20mm cannon no matter how strong you are, most of their strength would be devoted to that alone. You need the battery, which would take alot, the ammunition (20mm rounds are big, that alone would be impractical) would have to go into a special backpack sort of thing, which would wear him down further, and the gun itself, of course, would be very heavy. Also, you aren't going to hand fire a 20mm gattling weapon accurately, you'd be lucky if you hit a bad guy in the leg, simply from the sheer recoil. Just some input.

Er, yeah, and ToR said that the thing's a full suit, and he can still have good mobility, and he won't say what magical material allows for good movement and is nearly invulnerable to small arms and grenades. A kevlar vest is semi-invulnerable to pistol fire, rifle fire goes right through. A kevlar vest with a ceramic plate is near invulnerable to rifle fire, and that hampers movement.

The just a quick rundown of my special or "elite" forces as everyone else seems to be doingt.

The cream of the crop of the Wirrawayan Army is its Rapid Response Forces, or RRF. These special forces, culled from the ranks of the Marines and Regular army are the best Wirraway has to offer in terms of combat capability for a single man. Each Force consists of no less than 5,000 men and no more then 10,000. There are 3 in total.

The soldiers who serve in these units have either demonstrared amazing aptidude in combat or were exceptional in training. IN order to join the men must cut contact with their families and live under a strict and spartan regime. They practice for at least 12 hours a day but they really don't get a chance to practice due to the fact that these teams are almost in constant combat. They are issued special ceramic body armour battle suits which increase their survivability exponentially on the battle field.

They have held their own against every force they have faced and are a formidable tool in the Wirrawayan arsenal.

My best trained soldiers are the Snow Guard ODST (Offensive/Defensive Specialty Team) units.
They have been trained and conditioned from birth. They have recieved several surgical enhancements to make them as strong as they can be. Also training could really not be much more impossible than it is and lasts for around 16 years straight. During this time they are trained to the height of physical and mental prowess. For example a typical ODST unit will have better education than almost any other member of the Shenyang military. Trained to withstand: torture, fatigue, sleep deprevation, etc. Also they are vaccinated against every disease there's a vaccine for. Generally they're sent out as a special forces team, however they are trained in any type of combat, are extremely loyal and will follow orders to the letter under most circumstances. After 16 years of service (after training) they are allowed to leave the military and live out civilian lives, the gov't establishes their life and then leaves them alone unless something requires certain units to be brought back for one reason or another (i.e. facing an opponent that the unit may have encountered in the past and defeated).
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/Gallery/Renders/ODST.jpg

Ok, my patience is running thin. You seem incapable of, for one moment, believing that a larger nation could come in and smite the hell out of you. Stretch your imagination further, if you will, and suppose that said nation has poured literally hundreds of billions (Actually, 2.3 trillion) into the production and design of these Nephilim warriors. Think for a moment and ponder the possibility that the player of said nation doesn't spend enough of his life online to go around naming the exceeding durable material that he uses in said Nephilim. Imagine then that said player might not have time to listen to you repeat the same complaint, regardless of how well he explains it. In retrospect, you might want to contemplate the fact that said player is a well respected role player, and has never committed an act of "God Modding". Right now, you have Total War coming at you some time during the RP. If you give me another headache, it'll be another million and a half soldiers coming from the homeland.


What do we figure that an NS day equals? A year? Six months? I always played by the one year rule, slowing down time during a war or other major event. If you figure that I've been here since October...23? of 2003 (Well before you had a nation, I might add), that is about 445 days. 447, if my mental math skills are correct. So, allowing that I spent a total of, probably, a month in "major events", we still have about 415 years since the Order of the Reptile was created. We started the early experiments for the Nephilim in December of last year. That's about a RL year right there. Pouring millions, billions, and eventually trillions into them, do you still have any doubt that I am capable of this?

Of course you do, which is why this war is going stale, and we're doing more OOCing than fighting. If you're still proud of this fact, listen further while I explain things for the very last time. If you still think that these things are impossible after this post, than I would be willing to bet that either you have dyslexia, or you're not paying attention. Don't even start with the usual chain of Ignores, since that will accomplish nothing. I have done nothing remotely god-moddy. I'm merely an old, large nation with a lot of super soldiers that are about ready to land on your shores.

Now, I could have sworn that I explained how my troops are capable of normal movement and strong enough to carry 20mm cannons. In my old age, I might have left it out. If it's not old age, and I'm only fifteen, than you're just wasting our time.

Snake Eyes' guide to the possibility of his Nephilim Super Soldiers.

Q: OMG! YER SUPA SOLDERS R TEH GODMODDY!!!!!1111
A: No, they're not, if you actually listen to anything that I say. While I'm dreaming, I'd really like a Porsche...

Well, even after I have said that over 400 NS years worth of development, 2.something trillion dollars, and a lot of writing in my spare time have gone into their design, you still say that my troops are "god moddy". Well, touchè, old chap, because you could be coming up with plans to save yourself instead of griping here. If you insist that decades of genetic "pure breeding", modification and improvement, and years of conditioning and training (With the armor and weapons equipped, I might add) don't allow my troops to carry extremely heavy weaponry with little problem, wear and move normally in armor, and still fight intense battles after all that, than you should probably leave NationStates, get a job, and leave your shriveled imagination what dignity it has left.

Well, for starters, you should read the description of the Nephilim that I posted in the IC thread. It details that their training is long, grueling, and more importantly, effective. The cloned Nephilim start training as soon as they step out of the chambers and are checked over for imperfections (Nonexistent at this stage of the game). They are issued armor, weapons of their pre-determined area of specialty, and start boot camp. After several years, further muscular enhancements, and the like, they are going at a full run while carrying those big, bad 20mm's. Although, the 20mm is an "optional" weapon, meaning that for "anti armor" Nephilim units, the 20mm replaces the usual gauss cannon. Does that mean that the Nephilim using the 20mm's are slower than the rest? Yes, it does. Does it mean that they are forced to move at a snail's pace while carrying them? No!

Summary: The Nephilim are able to move and carry big weapons because of genetic modification, muscular enhancement, a lifetime of intense training, and the fact that their suits, as I said in the last post, accomodates for some of the weight.


Q: Ah. Damn. Shot down. Ok, but how the hell do they move in that armor, and how does that armor protect them from assault weapons?

A: The armor is made of an artificial compound that I never bothered to name. Shall we call it Deraphanium? Good, I'm so glad you agree. Deraphanium starts out as a thick, almost totally indestructable liquidy goop. It is then molded to form the armor that you deem to be godmoddy. It is applied in thick enough layers that it protects them from small arms fire, fragmentation, and such, but not thick enough to really slow them down. It is reinforced with more conventional Kevlar as an under-layer. Lot's of fancy gizmos are placed inside the armor, which accomodate for weight of weaponry, heat, cooling, hydration, there's a miniature computer in the helmet, etc. This gives them excellent protection while not weighing an extreme amount (Relative to the Nephilim, who, thanks to the aforementioned muscular enhancement, etc, don't think much of the weight).

However, the question of their freedom of movement comes up. How do they remain mobile and, dare I say, agile? Simple. Medieval full plate armor covered just about every inch of a knight's body, but they couldn't move much. Thus, by simply removing Deraphanium armor from their joints, they can move in this armor. Kevlar is placed over those areas, which are small enough that they don't pose a huge target, but big enough to allow them to move. It would still be impossible for the average human to move in it, but these aren't average humans. Again, and let me say this one final time, their muscular enhancement is enough that they can still walk, run, jump a bit, and such while wearing this armor.

Summary: The armor is made from Deraphanium, which is a very expensive and durable material. Their joints are relatively unprotected, to allow them to move. They're strong enough, thanks to a lot of factors that I don't feel like mentioning again, that they can move in this stuff.


If this doesn't drive any points home...ugh, don't even go there. I could have been RPing instead of posting this, but I suppose that you don't care much. JA tells me that since you'll whine about Deraphanium next, perhaps you should read into the creation of Teflon?

First off I assume I'm green on the map. Secondly how the hell did FSM and JA come to surround me. Last time I checked you were in a line along the coast and my fleet had not breached the line at all and was in fact holding station about 50 miles off the coast waiting to be let through.

You have RP'd no ship movements whatsoever so how can your ships magically surround my entire fleet? Please change the map back to its original form until you actually RP'd moving your ships and I have a chance to respond because I sure as hell wouldn't let you encircle me like that.

Oh well, at least it's not me this time. I think JA did a quick one or two-liner RP detailing some ship movements, but I can't recall where he moved to. With all this OOC chaos, the IC has been left for the dogs.

TOR, long time no see. Too bad it's not on more pleasant terms. Anyway, about you and Doom's little problem, maybe I can lend the voice of reason to said argument.

*Ahem*

You seem to be providing a fairly straightforward and reasonable explanation, based upon the fact that your technology is out of something from the near future, and thus impossible to describe with complete accuracy. however, I must add that this is very much a near-future, if not direct future technology which you are attempting to use in an RP with a group of avowedly modern tech RPers. Therefore, I find Doom's complaint reasonable as well. As this RP is particularly between him and the core CAD members (of which I am one, but unfortunately our dear friend FSM decided to get anal retentive about some little detail) and JA and FSM, i must say that his objection, no matter how frivolous it may seem to you must be held with some weight, if one hopes to avoid a mass mutual ignore and kill the war where it stands that is.

Your argument seems to focus heavily on the fact that you are a larger nation with much more time and capital available to have developed these Nephilim soldiers (which sound pretty awesome btw), but again I must reiterate that you are indeed using near future technologies as a near future nation. Your nation's size can of course affect the available technologies, but there is the fact that we are utilizing a completely relative time frame here in NS. Now you assume that your nation was born sometime at the start of the 21st century, and that all newer nations were born at later intervals, thus giving you the advantage technologically.

However, as the time and date here is completely relative to the player or group, there are of course nations created after your own that claim to have been born at the same relative time period, the early 21st century in this case. Now, as they are younger, they are of course in a separate chronological reality with respect to available technology, and thus different forms of equipment/med-scientific technology/weaponry are capable of being considered 'godmods'.

As confusing as this may seem, I hope that you are able to see the logic behind this and thus reach an understanding of Doom's logic in declaring your systems incapable of existing. With luck we can reach an agreement with minimal pain on all sides, although I fear this is already too far gone.

First off I assume I'm green on the map. Secondly how the hell did FSM and JA come to surround me. Last time I checked you were in a line along the coast and my fleet had not breached the line at all and was in fact holding station about 50 miles off the coast waiting to be let through.

You have RP'd no ship movements whatsoever so how can your ships magically surround my entire fleet? Please change the map back to its original form until you actually RP'd moving your ships and I have a chance to respond because I sure as hell wouldn't let you encircle me like that.

All ships in Timor
To your battlestations
Begin raking the enemy line
Let no ship pass

Arafura group
hold position


To: Japanese Antarctican Fleet

Prepare to begin offensive maneuvers in case
the enemy opens fire. Give the enemy
a chance to flee if they choose to do so.

It's been done.

Ah, I see, if you're large enough and pour enough money into something, you can use future tech in modern tech. I suppose I could accept them, but don't expect high losses from 20mm cannon toting people, getting off accurate shots will be close to impossible. And still, movement would still be very difficult even with joint armor removed, so expect me to take that into consideration when posting posses. Besides, I've got assault rifle rounds that can go through that armor.

Ah, I see, if you're large enough and pour enough money into something, you can use future tech in modern tech. I suppose I could accept them, but don't expect high losses from 20mm cannon toting people, getting off accurate shots will be close to impossible. And still, movement would still be very difficult even with joint armor removed, so expect me to take that into consideration when posting posses. Besides, I've got assault rifle rounds that can go through that armor.

What's the use of that when your men aren't even going to have the chance to pull the trigger? ;)

Let's get this started, i'm going to add details to my post.

It's been done.

Can you post it in the IC thread please.

FSM, when do you plan on making that declaration of war you said you'd make yesterday?

FSM, when do you plan on making that declaration of war you said you'd make yesterday?

I read your post incorrectly. I thought your planes opened fire, but they didn't, so there is no reason to declare war yet.

Don't worry, there will be soon :)

What's the use of that when your men aren't even going to have the chance to pull the trigger? ;)

Let's get this started, i'm going to add details to my post.


Damn well said. I find what Doom said to be fair enough, and I'm glad that we understand each other. I'll RP when I get time tonight.

Roach-Busters please stop bumping the IC thread.

Please disregard what I said earlier about my airforce. I think that I'll continue producing aircraft through out this war. Unless I am:
a. conquered
or
b. the war never starts, at which point we would continue production normally.

I'm gonna use this to keep you up to speed on my AF. So don't be surprised when it gets editted quite often and the numbers constantly change.

SAF currently has:

600 Duelist ASF
600 Horrors ASF
760 Abbadon ASF
540 Sileria 2 Stealth Fighter/Bomber
100 Sheol ASF
110 B-2
660 F-117
1050 Harrier HJ8
1550 Tornado GR4
2000 Euro fighter Typhoon
1000 Globemaster
2000 Chinook HC2
500 Sentry
500 IAI Scout
2000 Apache
2000 Cobra
2000 Comanche Gunship
5000x VC10
1000 c17
100 mf-36 vagabond interceptor
24 F/A-131 Osprey
36 F-131 Gyrafalcon
8000 F/A-1010 Broadsword ADF
4000 F/A-22 Raptor
2400 S-37 Berkut
3000 F-35 JSF
4000 F16C Block 60
3000 MiG 1.42s
3500 F/A-25 Hounds
1800 A-10A Warthog
200 JSTAR
1000 AC-5 Exorcist CSP
110 EB-15 Arkbird super bomber

FSM, can I have stats for those bombers?

Tu-260 Yakutsk Global Range Bomber (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=351653)

I figured you'd use a hypersoar bomber at some point. You know it'd be impossible to hit something accurately from that high and that fast? Plus I can take you down with my ABM sats since your skipping on the atmosphere.

And you'd probably disentegrate if you tried to maneuver with the thing. Plus I can pick the thing up on that ABM radar like they got at NORAD, so technically I can pick you up, put a few sats in your path, and shoot you down before you're over me. Big waste of money, if you ask me.

Another thing, wouldn't the ordanance varporize after being released at that altitude? Which brings up another interesting point: if you opened the bomb bay while skipping on the atosphere, wouldn't the aircraft start to break apart, with the doors flying off from the sheer speed? Hell, if you opened the bomb bay doors, all of your bombs would be instantly disintegrated, and might go off, taking the plane with them.

ToR, what do you mean by 20mm gauss cannons? As in magnetically accelerated slugs?

I figured you'd use a hypersoar bomber at some point. You know it'd be impossible to hit something accurately from that high and that fast? Plus I can take you down with my ABM sats since your skipping on the atmosphere.

Not really. The bombs are held together by a special "cradle" when released, glides towardthe cradle disentegrates and then the bombs fall and are guided towards their target.

And you'd probably disentegrate if you tried to maneuver with the thing. Plus I can pick the thing up on that ABM radar like they got at NORAD, so technically I can pick you up, put a few sats in your path, and shoot you down before you're over me. Big waste of money, if you ask me.

The bombers are not maneuvering, the fly a high, fast, straight path. You agreed to no weapons satellites, remember, as long as our side doesn't use them.

Another thing, wouldn't the ordanance varporize after being released at that altitude? Which brings up another interesting point: if you opened the bomb bay while skipping on the atosphere, wouldn't the aircraft start to break apart, with the doors flying off from the sheer speed? Hell, if you opened the bomb bay doors, all of your bombs would be instantly disintegrated, and might go off, taking the plane with them.

The bombs can be released from the rear, so there is little resistance on the doors. (if you still don't understand, I'll draw up a diagram to show you).

I said I wouldn't use offensive weapon satelites, but anyways, thanks for the explanation, it looks good. Shoulda posted that stuff in the original thread. And what kind of guidance are the bombs using?

I said I wouldn't use offensive weapon satelites, but anyways, thanks for the explanation, it looks good. Shoulda posted that stuff in the original thread. And what kind of guidance are the bombs using?

No weapons satellites are allowed. That was the agreement.

Even still, the missile system is not as useful against the plane as it is with the Ballistic Missile. You show that you have little understanding of this system.

An ICBM has MUCH more heat than an airplane. Infrared is really important for designation, once the SCRAMjet turns off, the satellite will lose sight of the bomber. The US is using this system, and even at optimum conditions, the system missed 3 of 8 ballistic missiles. The plane is designed to jave a levl of stealthiness, reentry vehicles of a ballistic missile don't need to be stealthy.

And these modified F-22 mounted ABM missiles have no way of hitting my planes. ABM systems fire the interceptor at 5 miles per second. The F-22 and missile is not going to have the ability to do this.

Steel rods are not likely to to hit my planes, rods are better for stationary targets, but I'll allow two to hit my planes. Lasers will not hit either. Space is 62 miles up. Max ceiling for my planes are 220,000 ft, which is about 40 miles. Your lasers have 22 miles of atmosphere to travel through, and are not likely to have that range, because even in the thinner air, moisture is still going to suck heat from the laser.

Sheyang, none of those weapons you used will be effective due to the high altitude my planes are flying at.

And please be specific. Numbers help. Look at what you said:

All over Shenyang
Fighters of all types tookoff. Patriot batteries ranging from PAC1-PAC3 activated and began scanning the sky. Flak guns were loaded and awaited a target. THELS batteries were brought online to cope with missle targets. Mobile AA systems of every type were deployed, military units patrolled the streets in Humvees mounted with Avenger units and every soldier and militia man was equipped with Stinger missles. At the Section 38 radar command bunker the men who usually joked about seeing their house on radar actually could.

This leaves me asking questions. How many fighters? How many patriot batteries? How many flak guns? Every type? Talk about a logistical nightmare. You're spending a ton of money here. Just curious, on average, how much money (yearly) is spent training, paying and equipping a soldier?

Er, now that you mention it, Doom, that was a mis-type on my part. They're actually 20mm machine guns, call them what you will. Got a little mixed up whilst typing up stats for one of my armors.


Anyway, for all future, past, and present disputes that are getting out of hand, here is an order from the Governator himself:

http://radio.weblogs.com/0115787/images/My%20Pictures/Stop%20Whining.jpeg

F/A25B Hound-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/Doomingsland/fa25.jpg

Specs-

Speed- Mach 3.2 (supercruise mach 2.1)
Armament-1 GAU 12 25mm cannon, two side bays (one missile each, sidewinders), one main bay (eight missiles each, AMRAAM, AXRAAM, Sidewinder, JDAM)
Ceiling- 90,000 feet
Engine-1 DDI T901 Pulse-detonation/turbofan hybrid(40,000 pounds of thrust)
Vectored thrust- 3D
Air-to-air refueling- Yes
Length- 57 feet
Wingspan-36 feet
Range-1600 nautical miles (combat), 3400 nautical miles(transport)
Countermeasures- Chaff/flare pod, IFF systems, 4 electronic disturbance pods
Ejection system- ACES II
Radar- AN/APG-90

The F/A25 was created as a response for an air force requirement for a replacement for the venerable F/A22 Raptor. This latest design has both the speed and payload that the Raptor lacked. It also has a stealthy design to further increase survivability. It also had an advanced helmet mounted visual display system to increase survivability in a dog fight, by allowing the pilot to simply look at the target to achieve a lock. However, due to its larger engine and higher payload, it is much larger than the F/A22. A carrier based version, the F/A25A, which includes folding wings, is available for the navy, and is currently replacing the ancient F14 Tomcat. The F22 will remain in service with Air Force Reserve units, but the majority will be deactivated, and stored. The F/A25B incorporates a radar system, the AN/APG90, based on the Russian NO14 radar, capable of burning through stealth at ranges of forty miles. It also incorporates electronic disturbance pods, which creates a surge of electricity in an area and can mess up a missile's computer. In addition to this, it incorporates Soviet Bloc’s Three-Dimensional AQT-80 Vectored Thrust system which can vector the engine's massive amount of thrust at angles up to 80 degrees and using enough speed to complete a full 160 degree conversion in about three seconds, meaning this aircraft can do full S-maneuvers without losing speed, control, or stability. Finally, this aircraft sports an optical camouflage system, rendering it nearly transparent, and invisible to the untrained eye. The system is made up of thousands of tiny photocells embedded in the outer skin of the aircraft. Several tiny cameras are also embedded, and constantly take pictures of the surrounding environment. The image is then projected onto the photocells, making the aircraft appear transparent. This system allows for unmatched stealth in a dogfight. However, the system doesn’t cover the engines and cockpit canopy, so the aircraft is still visible in that way.

Sheyang, none of those weapons you used will be effective due to the high altitude my planes are flying at.

And please be specific. Numbers help. Look at what you said:



This leaves me asking questions. How many fighters? How many patriot batteries? How many flak guns? Every type? Talk about a logistical nightmare. You're spending a ton of money here. Just curious, on average, how much money (yearly) is spent training, paying and equipping a soldier?
That is if you decide that you're only gonna use those aircraft. I haven't had time to work out exact numbers recently (homework, Christmas tree hunt, hockey game, etc.) so I'll have the numbers worked out by around Tuesday.
I put half my airforce up and the other half is waiting to relieve them after 6 hour patrols. Also I'd have to say that currently training/upkeep recieves around 4.5 trillion usd, though that will have changed tommorow. Please assume around 1000-2000 each were activated and I didn't mention what was already active yet.

FSM did you un-ignore me?

My elite soldiers are called dinosaurs, not actuall dinosaurs. They have much the same training process of everyone here and have SACS, which are suits like MJOLNIR from HALO.

Also, I find ToR's suits to be acceptable.

Lastly, I have a base in Doom so I do have some soldeirs there, most dinosaurs.

Doom: That's great and all, but I assume that the fighters are still visible to targeting computers and such. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Borman: Good man, we might actually get to fighting this before I leave for England on Tuesday.

Borman: Good man, we might actually get to fighting this before I leave for England on Tuesday.

Thanks, and I mean that seriously, not sarcastically.

It looks like the fighting already has started, its just accompanied by lots of OOC bickering. This proves I was not the cause of all the bickering last time. With me ONLY reading and not posting in this thread much bickering went on.

I hope you do not percieve this as an insult or a prod so to speak.

And FSM, if you do unignore me or even if you don't can you update the first page with the info. i provided a LONG time ago. (In reference to NTG and Wirraway)

Engineers and scientists had been working on it for years, making use of prior experience with SCRAMjets with the LSLRM series missiles, making development far easier than normal.

Can I see the thread where you began work on it? You do this every single time, you release a technology and claim it's been worked on for a while now. That's

I have a side question too, how much money on average is spent training, equipping and paying one of your soldiers?

Seriously, you've been spending so much money, developing new weapons left and right, round the clock flights, excessive missile launches, that I'm starting to believe you're going over budget.

That is if you decide that you're only gonna use those aircraft. I haven't had time to work out exact numbers recently (homework, Christmas tree hunt, hockey game, etc.) so I'll have the numbers worked out by around Tuesday.
I put half my airforce up and the other half is waiting to relieve them after 6 hour patrols. Also I'd have to say that currently training/upkeep recieves around 4.5 trillion usd, though that will have changed tommorow. Please assume around 1000-2000 each were activated and I didn't mention what was already active yet.

I don't want to have to assume. I want exact numbers of which aircraft, get them ASAP. You are the only one being this vague. If you don't step up the post quality, you're out of this RP.

And wtf Doomingsland. You magically release a new aircraft out of thin air. What about RPing the development first? Take a look at my Tu-260 thread. It goes through several stages in the development. That way, others can argue the feasibility OOCly, and that will prevent OOC arguements later. Look at the thread date on the Tu-260 thread as well. August 24, 2004. And it's just entered service now. And do you realize how long it takes for new aircraft to enter service? The F-22 Raptor contract was signed in 1991. It's 2004 now, and production has started, and it still is not in service. The pace is 3 aircraft a month. If you attempt to use massive numbers of this plane without a good explanation, I will not be very happy.

And what happened to Ruthless Slaughter?

Just some stats on the Harpoon missiles which I just launched.

Primary Function: Air, surface, or submarine launched anti-surface (anti-ship) cruise missile. AGM-85E; surface launched, precision land attack cruise missile.
Contractor: McDonnell Douglas
Power Plant: Teledyne Turbojet and solid propellant booster for surface and submarine launch.
Thrust: 660 pounds (approximately 594 kilograms)
Length: 12 feet, 7 inches (3.79 meters) -- air launched; 15 feet (4.55 meters) -- surface and submarine launched. SLAM; 14 feet, 8 inches (4.49 meters)
Weight: 1,145 pounds (515.25 kilograms) -- air launched; 1,470 pounds (661.5 kilograms) --submarine or ship launched from box or canister launcher.
Diameter: 13.5 inches (34.29 centimeters)
Wing Span: 3 feet (91.44 centimeters) with booster fins and wings.
Range: Over-the-horizon, in excess of 150 nautical miles.
Speed: High Subsonic/Supersonic in dive
Guidance: Sea-skimming cruise monitored by radar altimeter, active radar and infrared homing for terminal guidance, Inertial navigation with GPS,
Warhead: Penetration high-explosive blast (488 pounds/224 kilograms)
Unit Cost: $720,000
Date Deployed: 1985

I haven't seen a reply so, am I ignored or not?

Wirraway, how can you not be surrounded when you are being outnumbered at least 5 to 1? Also, you're in a bad position to maneuver, you're right over a coral reef, your ships hulls might hit it and sink.

Wirraway, how can you not be surrounded when you are being outnumbered at least 5 to 1? Also, you're in a bad position to maneuver, you're right over a coral reef, your ships hulls might hit it and sink.

Because I pulled myself back as you began to try and encircle me, I already had a head start on your encircling elemnts so its now chore to back track and reform.

On the coral reef issue. Since your in the same vincinity as I am you'd be having the same problems, so for the sake of the RP lets just forget that it is there, it'll smooth things over.

working on your post now voltarum, but it might be while before it goes up.

Good grief, mateys, this is taking too long. If we could all get along, this war would have been finished yesterday. Seeing as how it'll probably drag on for another month, I leave FSM and JA in joint control of the forces that I sent from Tuesday until the day that I confirm that I have arrived in the US and am ready to RP again. If they need the document with my military stats again, I'll be happy to send it, they need only drop me a line. I'll be on here, at most, twice before I leave. Merry Christmas, in case I forget to say it before Tuesday.

Merry Christmas ToR.

Because I pulled myself back as you began to try and encircle me, I already had a head start on your encircling elemnts so its now chore to back track and reform.

On the coral reef issue. Since your in the same vincinity as I am you'd be having the same problems, so for the sake of the RP lets just forget that it is there, it'll smooth things over.

It wouldn't matter if you pulled back, you are so badly outnumbered that the outer fringe ships in my fleet would be able to get around you, unless your ships are spreading apart.

I am really sick of my computer screwing things up when I check stats.
Every time it erases what I was gonna post.
Here is my complete (air/sea) defense net: (cross your fingers and hope this works)
4050 Patriot installations (pac1-3 at each) in concealed bunkers
4050 100mm flak guns in concealed bunkers
2000 THELS installations (2 lasers per installation)
6000 25mm gattling guns in concealed bunkers
4050 Sparrow batteries in concealed bunkers
20,000 Stinger armed infantry
10,000 Gepard AA units
10,000 Avengers
2000 ABM batteries
2000 Harpoon batteries in concealed bunkers along coast (cliffs)

Lastly kick me out if you want, this war is, as my band teacher would put it, dragging terribly.

Doom: That's great and all, but I assume that the fighters are still visible to targeting computers and such. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Borman: Good man, we might actually get to fighting this before I leave for England on Tuesday.
*sigh* time for another page long OOC post...

If you read the fighter's OOC desciption in this thread, you'd see it was stealthy, meaning it would be difficult to target visibly or with sensors. They also have reduced IR signatures, so heat seakers will have a tough time locking on.

Now, as for the aircraft (actualy it's a missile, you'll see later) development, most people don't post developing their aircraft. If you notice, most people just say "so-and-so tank released for export", with out ever posting a development thread. This is mainly because people rarely RP the development of an aircraft, unless they want to get the stats right before posting. This thing is alot simpler than you guys think, and I won't need large numbers of them (plus it doesn't require a pilot, making it ALOT cheaper to produce). Besides, I already have experience in the field of scramjets and such with my other missiles, so that would take a good chunk of research off. The development of this particular missile was mostly a matter of making the right guidance system. In otherwords, I'll be using small numbers.

As for how much I spend on people per year, errr, would someone care to tell me how much the US spends per year, then I could give you an accurate number (which varies from service to service).

EDIT:

Info on the missiles,

Deadfish ASM-

Powerplant- One solidfuel rocket motor
Length- 14 meters
Guidance- Milimetric wave radar
Speed- Mach 3
Range- 100 miles

The deadfish is a westernized version of the Moskit ASM, capable of being fitted to the F35 JSF. It is actualy larger than the original, but makes up with sheer range.

Deadfish II ASM-

Powerplant- One solidfuel rocket motor
Length- 20 meters
Guidance- Milimetric wave radar
Speed- Mach 3
Range- 500 miles

The deadfish II the next development of the deadfish, but is designed to be ship-launched due to its larger size.

LSLRM-AS-ER-

Powerplant- Scramjet
Length- 21 meters
Guidance- Milimetric wave radar, GPS
Speed- Mach 8 cruising, mach 10 diving
Range- 1200 naughtical miles

The original LSLRM didn't actualy have a scramjet, but still served it's purpose as a sea skimming ASM or air to surface missile. The ER signifies the extra range (the range on the orignal was 950 naughtical miles). The ER model features a scramjet for propulsion, and uses a completely different method of destroying a ship. It acomplishes this by heading to an altitude of 100,000 feet, (it's launched from 80,000 feet, so use of the scramjet comes immediatly), then cruising to its target. When over the target, the scramjet switches off for a few seconds, and a secondary booster fires, allowing it to go into a full dive. When the dive is achieved, the scramjet switches back on, propeling the missile to mach 10.

Because I know you're gonna ask about the stats on the Arkbird, or declare it a Godmod. Here is the page I got it from:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372642&page=1
(and it can carry 180 harpoons, I spent approximately 10 minutes checking and rechecking the math)

we're taking a break from NS, probably until the new year.

we're taking a break from NS, probably until the new year.

I assume this RP is dead then, and if so, Voltarum, lets finish our engagement.

I assume this RP is dead then, and if so, Voltarum, lets finish our engagement.
Begins humming taps.

I assume this RP is dead then, and if so, Voltarum, lets finish our engagement.

not dead, on hiatus.

Finally, this aircraft sports an optical camouflage system, rendering it nearly transparent, and invisible to the untrained eye. The system is made up of thousands of tiny photocells embedded in the outer skin of the aircraft. Several tiny cameras are also embedded, and constantly take pictures of the surrounding environment. The image is then projected onto the photocells, making the aircraft appear transparent. This system allows for unmatched stealth in a dogfight. However, the system doesn’t cover the engines and cockpit canopy, so the aircraft is still visible in that way.

Godmod. Photocells are used in cameras to detect how much light is present. Projecting an image on a photocell will not make the airplane invisible.

*sigh* time for another page long OOC post...

If you read the fighter's OOC desciption in this thread, you'd see it was stealthy, meaning it would be difficult to target visibly or with sensors. They also have reduced IR signatures, so heat seakers will have a tough time locking on.

Now, as for the aircraft (actualy it's a missile, you'll see later) development, most people don't post developing their aircraft. If you notice, most people just say "so-and-so tank released for export", with out ever posting a development thread. This is mainly because people rarely RP the development of an aircraft, unless they want to get the stats right before posting. This thing is alot simpler than you guys think, and I won't need large numbers of them (plus it doesn't require a pilot, making it ALOT cheaper to produce). Besides, I already have experience in the field of scramjets and such with my other missiles, so that would take a good chunk of research off. The development of this particular missile was mostly a matter of making the right guidance system. In otherwords, I'll be using small numbers.

As for how much I spend on people per year, errr, would someone care to tell me how much the US spends per year, then I could give you an accurate number (which varies from service to service).

EDIT:

Info on the missiles,

Deadfish ASM-

Powerplant- One solidfuel rocket motor
Length- 3.9 meters
Guidance- Milimetric wave radar
Speed- Mach 3
Range- 100 miles

The deadfish is a westernized version of the Moskit ASM, capable of being fitted to the F35 JSF. It is actualy larger than the original, but makes up with sheer range.

Deadfish II ASM-

Powerplant- One solidfuel rocket motor
Length- 5.1 meters
Guidance- Milimetric wave radar
Speed- Mach 3
Range- 500 miles

The deadfish II the next development of the deadfish, but is designed to be ship-launched due to its larger size.

LSLRM-AS-ER-

Powerplant- Scramjet
Length- 10 meters
Guidance- Milimetric wave radar, GPS
Speed- Mach 8 cruising, mach 10 diving
Range- 1200 naughtical miles

The original LSLRM didn't actualy have a scramjet, but still served it's purpose as a sea skimming ASM or air to surface missile. The ER signifies the extra range (the range on the orignal was 950 naughtical miles). The ER model features a scramjet for propulsion, and uses a completely different method of destroying a ship. It acomplishes this by heading to an altitude of 100,000 feet, (it's launched from 80,000 feet, so use of the scramjet comes immediatly), then cruising to its target. When over the target, the scramjet switches off for a few seconds, and a secondary booster fires, allowing it to go into a full dive. When the dive is achieved, the scramjet switches back on, propeling the missile to mach 10.


The Deadfish's size are godmodded. The moskit is nearly 10m long, and can supposedly go 65 nautical miles. Your Deadfish 2 is 1/2 the moskit's size, but can go more than 4 times the distance?

Real life just kicked me in the groin. =/

I will try and post tomorrow.

And doom, I know AMRAAMS and sidewinders are air to air, I was firing at your PLANES not ships. I guess I should have typed that differently.

Anyway, I will try to respond to everything tomorrow.

Voltarum

The Deadfish's size are godmodded. The moskit is nearly 10m long, and can supposedly go 65 nautical miles. Your Deadfish 2 is 1/2 the moskit's size, but can go more than 4 times the distance?
I wasn't sure of the size in the first place, so I'll go edit.

Godmod. Photocells are used in cameras to detect how much light is present. Projecting an image on a photocell will not make the airplane invisible.

Damn JA is too 'picky'. I use the term photocell as a cell/piece of material that projects light (yes, the dictionary defenition is different) but our scientists termed the small bundle of fibers/etc. as a photocell as it projects light (and at different frequencies, i.e. different colors from a central computer).
I got that before I even took a look at your complaints.

Real life just kicked me in the groin. =/

I will try and post tomorrow.

And doom, I know AMRAAMS and sidewinders are air to air, I was firing at your PLANES not ships. I guess I should have typed that differently.

Anyway, I will try to respond to everything tomorrow.

Voltarum
You said ships, did you magically expect me to assume that you were shooting at planes when you specifically said ships?

This must be gettign annoying, am I unignored? You said if I TGed FSM and told him I would agree to those words you would unignore me. And I did. Yet I have seen no reference or acknowledgment of me yet and you will nto reply to whether I am unignored or not.

I got that before I even took a look at your complaints.

How am I supposed to know that Soviet Bloc uses a different definition for photocell?

Specifics on these "photocells" would be great as well. What fibers? How many of them are on the surface of the plane?

I assumed since i was using air to air, you would understand what I meant. In addition, aren't your ships like very far away from the air fight between you and TOR?? I thought this battle was more east? Like, away from the Wirrawayan Fleet? Since the planes were comign from Kamchatka and New Guinea, that is what I supposed, which is no where near the fleet you send out to defend Wirraway.

Correct me if I am wrong. If I am right, do you want to edit your post?

Wirrway, my repsonse to your post will be tonight. Just so you know, I fully expect to lose almost every ship, but if you would be so kind in allowing this, I would appreciate if the Wrath could survive... since I have used the captain in another thread that happens in the future lol. (and would like to use her again...) Anyway, I will try to incorporae that into my IC post.

Voltarum

I assumed since i was using air to air, you would understand what I meant. In addition, aren't your ships like very far away from the air fight between you and TOR?? I thought this battle was more east? Like, away from the Wirrawayan Fleet? Since the planes were comign from Kamchatka and New Guinea, that is what I supposed, which is no where near the fleet you send out to defend Wirraway.

Correct me if I am wrong. If I am right, do you want to edit your post?

Wirrway, my repsonse to your post will be tonight. Just so you know, I fully expect to lose almost every ship, but if you would be so kind in allowing this, I would appreciate if the Wrath could survive... since I have used the captain in another thread that happens in the future lol. (and would like to use her again...) Anyway, I will try to incorporae that into my IC post.

Voltarum

np man, I like her captain too much to kill her anyway.

JA are you telling me than 2,500 Harpoon cruise missiles, 2,500, fired from every ship in my fleet and 500 aircraft only managed to damage 2 Battleships. Give me a break man, the missiles are sea-skimmers and the pop-up manuver was designed to foil point defense systems, I want some realistic damage from that massive attack.

Damage from my massive attack would be appreciated as well. Realistic for the # of weapons would be good.

JA are you telling me than 2,500 Harpoon cruise missiles, 2,500, fired from every ship in my fleet and 500 aircraft only managed to damage 2 Battleships. Give me a break man, the missiles are sea-skimmers and the pop-up manuver was designed to foil point defense systems, I want some realistic damage from that massive attack.

Harpoons don't pop up. They skim and hit just above the water line. Harpoons are designed for use against thin skinned warships. The Musashi-II has 16" thick torpedo belts. The harpoon would slam into the side, explode and do little damage. Here be the Clan Smoke Jaguar post:

Battleships were designed to survive 15” and 16” shells, which are literally 1000 to 2000 lb penetrating warheads, and many better ships also have excellent torpedo belts. And when you consider that most modern missiles are optimized against lightly and almost completely unprotected vessels, you see that battleships are still very hard to sink, even on a modern battlefield. Indeed, modern antishipping missiles like the Harpoon and Exocet partially make up for their small warheads by having a delayed fuse, which detonates after the missile penetrates the thin skin of a modern ship. With armored vessels like battleships, the advantage gained by that is completely negated, as the missile will be incapable of penetrating the armor. This greatly reduces the already limited effectiveness of these missiles, as it can take over 4 Harpoons to sink a 10,000 ton destroyer, and even a 4000 ton frigate can survive an Exocet.

There you have it.

Damage from my massive attack would be appreciated as well. Realistic for the # of weapons would be good.

FSM is saying you need to pick up your RP quality or you're out. Look at Wirraway's post, look at my post, and look at your post. Notice the difference in quality?

Until then, you're bound to be ignored.

And I still have to respond to Doomingsland's attack. And study for a calculus test.

The hapoon can be programmed to initiate a pop-up manuever, just read all of Tom Clancy's submarine novels based novel, specifically SSN. Ask Clan Smoke Jagaur. The pop-up manuver allows the missile to crash down through the deck as opposed to exploding harmlessly on the side. if you read my post you see how I detail the flight of the missile.

Also with the amount of missiles I fired at you, are you telling me I only managed to 2 hit ships? I mean what about all your destroyers and cruisers, frigates and aircraft carriers? The sheer amount of missiles fired makes it impossible for only 2 battleships to have been hit. Its not like puting yur battleships in front created an impentrable wall, the harpoons can goaround them and over them to theri designated targets.

The hapoon can be programmed to initiate a pop-up manuever, just read all of Tom Clancy's submarine novels based novel, specifically SSN. Ask Clan Smoke Jagaur. The pop-up manuver allows the missile to crash down through the deck as opposed to exploding harmlessly on the side. if you read my post you see how I detail the flight of the missile.

Also with the amount of missiles I fired at you, are you telling me I only managed to 2 hit ships? I mean what about all your destroyers and cruisers, frigates and aircraft carriers? The sheer amount of missiles fired makes it impossible for only 2 battleships to have been hit.

More than 2 battleships were hit. Only those 2 took recognizable damage. Can you show me a legitimate source that says that Harpoons can do this?

I asked the guys in the #nationstates channel, and they said the harpoon is not capable of doing this.

My advanced CIWS systems on my ships also take care of incoming missiles pretty effectively.

Read my post again.

OOC: From http://www.navyleague.org/seapower_mag/oct2001/industrial_base.htm


Successful DTII Shot
For Boeing Harpoon Block II

A Harpoon Block II cruise missile demonstrated the weapon's coastal-target suppression capabilities for the first time during the missile program's second developmental test (DT) shot.

The Harpoon--built by Boeing--was launched from the Arleigh Burke-class Aegis guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur against a simulated SA-10 radar on San Nicolas Island off the coast of Southern California. The missile--aided by its global positioning system--followed a preplanned profile of three waypoints, skimmed over the sea, executed a terminal pop-up maneuver, and made a steep dive-angle attack, scoring a direct hit behind the target's radar panel.

OOC: From http://www.navyleague.org/seapower_mag/oct2001/industrial_base.htm


Successful DTII Shot
For Boeing Harpoon Block II

A Harpoon Block II cruise missile demonstrated the weapon's coastal-target suppression capabilities for the first time during the missile program's second developmental test (DT) shot.

The Harpoon--built by Boeing--was launched from the Arleigh Burke-class Aegis guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur against a simulated SA-10 radar on San Nicolas Island off the coast of Southern California. The missile--aided by its global positioning system--followed a preplanned profile of three waypoints, skimmed over the sea, executed a terminal pop-up maneuver, and made a steep dive-angle attack, scoring a direct hit behind the target's radar panel.

SA-10 is not a naval radar. This Harpoon has been converted into a ground attack cruise missile, rather than an anti-shipping missile. It's intended for naval targets. Anyway, my navy doesn't use russian radar, so it wouldn't hit it.

There, so the missile would be completely ineffective. So in fact, I should lower my casualties now, since I've learned all of this.

SA-10 is not a naval radar. This Harpoon has been converted into a ground attack cruise missile, rather than an anti-shipping missile. It's intended for naval targets. Anyway, my navy doesn't use russian radar, so it wouldn't hit it.

There, so the missile would be completely ineffective. So in fact, I should lower my casualties now, since I've learned all of this.
And you're saying that it's impossible to remodify the missle to use that system against ships and target any radar. Here I was believing that technology was on its way to being easier to modify. Oh well. I guess that my new model Harpoons are just gonna be forced to be fired en masse. (not a problem)

And you're saying that it's impossible to remodify the missle to use that system against ships and target any radar. Here I was believing that technology was on its way to being easier to modify. Oh well. I guess that my new model Harpoons are just gonna be forced to be fired en masse. (not a problem)

That's called god modding.

If someone said they were using P-51 mustangs, and you were using F-16's, you would expect the F-16's to win right? Now what if the person using the P-51s said "oh, but I modified them to have stealth and jet engines" AFTER they attacked you, you would call that unfair.

What Wirraway is doing is not that extreme, but the same idea nonetheless.

So get to posting your losses Wirraway.

For god sakes the software was already integrated into the Harpoon in the A variant. I just used a ground attack version as an example. Also Just becuase the target was Russian doesn't mean that it can only target Russian things it just happened to be a Russian target. I didn't have to reprogram the missile look below.


http://www.zap16.com/mil%20fact/weapons%20agm84%20harpoon.htm

AGM-84 Harpoon

The McDonnell Douglas Harpoon is a 1200-lb (544 kg) class anti-ship missile witch has been operational with the US Navy since the mid-1970s. It can be launched from ships (RGM-84) and submarines (UGM-84), as well as aircraft (AGM-84). The AGM-84A through D are externally identical. All versions of this subsonic missile are turbojet powered, with the NACA inlet located on the bottom of the missile between the wings.

The AGM-84A uses a radar altimeter to fly at sea-skimming heights. As it attacks its target, the AGM-84A performs a pop-up maneuver to enhance warhead penetration.

The AGM-84B has a guidance program which dispenses with the terminal pop-up maneuver. (not using this variant)

The AGM-84C has a refined pop-up maneuver.

The AGM-84D features an increase in range from 57 to 75 nm (66 to 86 miles; 106 to 139 km), and the ability to navigate to several turn points en route to the target area and then execute one of several terminal attack maneuvers.

The AGM-84E stand-off-land attack missile (SLAM) is a modification to the Harpoon for exactly what its name implies. To the basic airframe and engine combination is added an AGM-65D seeker, AGM-62 data link, and a GPS receiver for updating the inertial guidance section. These add 22.5 in (57 cm) to the missile's length. SLAM has a ranch of about 55 nm (63 miles; 102 km).
(this is the one i used as an example)

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