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The War has begun, no more joinups.

This is an OOC thread, relating to this post: Farewell, My Darling... (War) (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376417)

This thread is for those of you who oppose me to come up with ideas to attack, for me to post about geography, to learn about your military stats, etc. etc. No OOC flaming in the IC thread, please.

Let's try to keep this organized. Use the subscribe feature to the IC post, Tag's are not appreciated. Go ahead and Tag this thread, if you want, but don't tag the IC thread.

Thank you, and happy hunting.

Map of Witzgall and Phoria (http://img126.exs.cx/img126/6053/map2312.jpg)

Me & My Allies:
Witzgall
Truitt
Intelligent Neighbors
Phoenixius

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My Enemies:
DontPissUsOff
Praetonia
Sanctaphrax
Sharina
Armandian Cheese
Verstummelung
Tyrandis
Tomzilla
Triancia
Ratheia
Pyschotika
Tenarius
West Cedarbrook

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Neutral Nations:
New Mesapotamia
Akin Republics
Nanakaland
Anagonia

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You Must Be on One of these Lists to Join This IC RP...post here or TG Witzgall if you wish to join, BUT WAIT FOR A RESPONSE BEFORE AN IC POST.

NEW IC THREAD!!

ATTN all Anti-Nazism Nations (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=375578)

Read this before you enter this war...it will help you understand what is going on.

A couple of things.

1. You should put up a list of who's aganist you and who's with you to make it easier to know who's fighting who.

2. Which Earth is this taking place on? The Earth Series, or the Infinite NS Earth?

The NS Earth...if you have a map, host it on imageshack or something and give us the link (DONT UPLOAD THE PIC).

And I will compile lists into that first post once I know who is actually going to RP...

My main holdings is in Earth V.

Here's the link to a map of Earth V (For this RP, we can consider it "grafted" onto the NS Earth).

Earth V Maps thread:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=368325

If the map doesn't display, try this link.

http://members.fortunecity.se/kopparbergs/northamerica.gif

I have a secondary colony in Earth II, but a problem with inter-Earth Series claims is pending, so I could either keep my colony there, or lose it (kicked out).

Here's the link...

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373378&page=1


Hope this sheds light on my lands in relations to Germany and such.

I have already expressed my interest and intent to join this as evidenced in your other thread "ATTN Anti-Nazi and Nazi" thread.

I am so in. My leader is a Jew, and 75% of my population are Jewish. Another 15% are black, so en garde!

I'm looking for a good fight, so can sign me up! I'll have to go on the enemies list, however...I usually support totalitarian dictatorships, but the racial element and the need off good PR shall force my nation to assault yours.

OK, I'm here. Shall we get a roll-call of who's doing what and where before we proceed? It'll make life easier when it comes to fighting the actual war. Also, if we're using Earth II I kind of inhabit anywhere I can get (usually islands in the Pacific) while in Earth V I think I have all but SE Russia.

I am so in. My leader is a Jew, and 75% of my population are Jewish. Another 15% are black, so en garde!


Judaism isn't a race. Their are black jews.

and black isn't a religion. You act like black people are in some sort of collective.

OK, so...so far everyone is against me. Swell. :)

This is totally NS-based. No RL territories and the such, as I am on many different of the "NS RL Claim" worlds. If you want, MS Paint a map or something like I have.

Basically this is a roll call, and this is also a thread to ask questions such as about military establishments and the like.

Ah... an oppurtunity to attack another nation.

Welcome.

Are you interested in joining?

Foolish to go to war with the international anti-nazi community, even more foolish that you have an island nation, which can be easily invaded and assualted from the sea. As soon as I destroy my opponent in another war, I shall join on the side of the Anti-Nazis.

Just post here when that's done.

And remember, this is strictly modern tech (Not aiming at you PM, but just saying...)

Sure. A warning however. I mainly use modern weapons but I use one futuristic weapon too. An MBT-92 Maser. Picture here: http://www.geocities.com/kaiju_kombat_rpg/images/DAG-Tank.jpg

No future tech weapons or anything like that...Sorry. But maybe that weapon can sit out.

No future tech weapons or anything like that...Sorry. But maybe that weapon can sit out.

Sure. After that, the most futuristic weapon I have is the M1A2 Abram tank used by the United States Army.

BuMP

I'm in on the side of teh Anti-Nazis.

Note that I'm going to loot the nation for spoils, riches, and anything that isn't nailed down. When my "occupation force" is done, let's just say that someone living in rags will be seen as the wealthiest man alive in your nation... :D

If you win.

Tyrandis, you couldn't...not do that by any chance? :p

Tyrandis, you couldn't...not do that by any chance? :p

Heh...

Is everyone whose against me as cocky as this? Just because it is 6vs1 doesn't guarantee a victory... ;)

Tyrandis, you couldn't...not do that by any chance? :p

Hey, I r teh UBAR EBIL CAPITALIZT!!11!1

I can't pass up any opportunity to increase my treasury with minimum effort. My conscience wouldn't let me :D

Heh...

Is everyone whose against me as cocky as this? Just because it is 6vs1 doesn't guarantee a victory... ;)

Yeah, but I'm letting my arrogant optimism equipment run around for a bit :p

Heh...

Is everyone whose against me as cocky as this? Just because it is 6vs1 doesn't guarantee a victory... ;)

True. You should add me to the enemy list.

I'm in on the side of teh Anti-Nazis.

Note that I'm going to loot the nation for spoils, riches, and anything that isn't nailed down. When my "occupation force" is done, let's just say that someone living in rags will be seen as the wealthiest man alive in your nation... :D

I won't allow you to loot, rape, or destroy civilian holdings in Witzgall. Civilians should not suffer because of the actions of their government, plain and simple like that.

I am prepared to order my soldiers to guard civilian banks, stores, warehouses, etc. in Witzgall.

That as well as the process of removing any Witzgallian military threat.

I won't allow you to loot, rape, or destroy civilian holdings in Witzgall. Civilians should not suffer because of the actions of their government, plain and simple like that.

I am prepared to order my soldiers to guard civilian banks, stores, warehouses, etc. in Witzgall.

Who said anything about raping or destroying? Doing the aforementioned activities provides no long-term benefit, and only serves to make the participants look bad.

On the other hand, liberating (looting <_<) assets of all kinds, whether they be munitions, vehicles, food, factories, monuments, etc. helps to cover the massive expense of force projections. And increase my treasury reserves/military budget :D

Hoi! No monument-stealing! No stealing at all, actually...well, apart from military equipment, that's fair enough.

I won't allow you to loot, rape, or destroy civilian holdings in Witzgall. Civilians should not suffer because of the actions of their government, plain and simple like that.

I am prepared to order my soldiers to guard civilian banks, stores, warehouses, etc. in Witzgall.

That as well as the process of removing any Witzgallian military threat.

True. Any Tomzillian soldiers that will invade Witzgall will help the civilians.

I am willing to take all of Witzgall's "unwanted" peoples. Giving you no reason to attack a country that no longer has people to persucute and oppress.

We the, entire region of "Cradle of Civilization" just want to try to prevent a war from breaking out.

Well, this does seem like /the/ war to get into. I'm in, aganist Witzgall. Naturally, I'll try and act in concordence with any member of the ANP already fighting, to see if we can't, shall we say, get a good force multiplication factor. :)

And would you consider Sub-Orbital aircraft and kinetic weaponry too future-techy?

For the last time, I AM NOT GIVING AWAY MY CITIZENS. What is it with you people and this stuff?

Anyway, I guess nobody understands that the IC thread is NOT to be posted in until the war, unless you want to make an IC comment with a declaration of war (With characters, not just some lame message in a telegram way or something as a post...I want it RP...)

And DPUO, thats fine as a preliminary post and such...but the others who posted neutrality and shit, why bother there? Thats not right.

Well, this does seem like /the/ war to get into. I'm in, aganist Witzgall. Naturally, I'll try and act in concordence with any member of the ANP already fighting, to see if we can't, shall we say, get a good force multiplication factor. :)

And would you consider Sub-Orbital aircraft and kinetic weaponry too future-techy?

Sub-orbital as in what? The SR-71 and such? If so, then no.

Anything that the RL nations have can be used, or your versions of such stuff.

Kinetic weaponry may be FT-ish...

Err... You know, never actually fleshed out the details. An aircraft that could reach the lower limit of space (about as high as an old Mercuary capsule) and return safely, albeit with little fuel, would be my definiton of it.

For the purposes of the RP, though, I'll say the program itself is undergoing developmental changes, and keep them grounded, just to allevitate all doubts. :)

Err... You know, never actually fleshed out the details. An aircraft that could reach the lower limit of space (about as high as an old Mercuary capsule) and return safely, albeit with little fuel, would be my definiton of it.

For the purposes of the RP, though, I'll say the program itself is undergoing developmental changes, and keep them grounded, just to allevitate all doubts. :)

Possibly they could be used later on...they're "undergoing testing processes" or something...

Possibly, but the ultimate fun will come from crushing you with my small but efficient force. Muwahahaha.

So, I await the IC thread. :)

There is an IC thread, but I wish for NO ONE to post in it yet...

We wait until November 28th/29th to begin.

There is an IC thread, but I wish for NO ONE to post in it yet...

We wait until November 28th/29th to begin.

Oh, sorry. Just posted there.

Oh, sorry. Just posted there.

:headbang:

Fine...

:headbang:

Fine...

Sorry. :(

Meh.

Everyone else did too, but whatever...No more.

Even though your'e from NJ, I haven't been in a good fight in a long time, so I'm gonna join this thread.

Even though your'e from NJ, I haven't been in a good fight in a long time, so I'm gonna join this thread.

Are you future tech?

And which side are you on, if your MT?

Are you future tech?

And which side are you on, if your MT?

I have both MT and FT. The MT is the standard naval, air and ground forces, and the FT is a full-blown space fleet comprised of lasers, AI forces and cloaking/beaming capabilities.

I use both in my own kingdom........and as far as which side am I on, it already looks like your'e outnumbered 10-1. If I come in on the side of the other guys, that increases to 50-1. If I come in on your side, it tilts the outcome in your'e direction. It also makes me a lot of enemies, some of which I'll have to completely destroy in order to get them off of my back.
I hate to be crass about this.........but, what's in it for me?

I have both MT and FT. The MT is the standard naval, air and ground forces, and the FT is a full-blown space fleet comprised of lasers, AI forces and cloaking/beaming capabilities.

I use both in my own kingdom........and as far as which side am I on, it already looks like your'e outnumbered 10-1. If I come in on the side of the other guys, that increases to 50-1. If I come in on your side, it tilts the outcome in your'e direction. It also makes me a lot of enemies, some of which I'll have to completely destroy in order to get them off of my back.
I hate to be crass about this.........but, what's in it for me?

Heh...it's not 10v1, more like 7... ;)

And as for you? Absolutely nothing. If I lose, my government will be shattered which would break off any alliance that was on during this war, most likely.

And this is strictly MT.

It's up to you as for which side you are on.

Oh, and here is some information on the climate and such:

Witzgall is a very odd nation climate-wise. It get's very hot in the summer, the hottest day being 102 degrees Farhenheit (sp?).

However, at night and in the winter, Witzgall becomes a fridgid snow globe. It snows constantly during the winter (September - April, in Witzgall) and the temperature can drop well below the 0 degree line.

The coldest day in Witzgall was approximately -36 degrees, and that was at 2:00 PM.

The snow falls very heavily on most occasions, and blizzards are not uncommon during the winter.

Hey Xeraph, join the Anti-Nazis and we'll let you help us loot Witzgall for everything and anything of value ;)

Even though I'm keeping all the stuff my troops can get their hands on :D

Hey Xeraph, join the Anti-Nazis and we'll let you help us loot Witzgall for everything and anything of value ;)

Even though I'm keeping all the stuff my troops can get their hands on :D

Tisk tisk, Mr. Cocky. :p

Nobody knows the ace up my sleeve in this war, and you won't until later on...

Sooooo....

Can we post in the IC thread with our declarations/force deployments, or do you want us to wait for your all clear?

Well, go ahead and post about some movements or preparings, but don't post you landing on my shores or something...

And use characters, don't just put a big list of military...

Tisk tisk, Mr. Cocky. :p

Nobody knows the ace up my sleeve in this war, and you won't until later on...

What? You have Russia's General Winter on your side?

Heh.

No, there's a special...eh-hem...something for you enemies of me awaiting you later on.

You'll see when we start the actual battle.

Heh.

No, there's a special...eh-hem...something for you enemies of me awaiting you later on.

You'll see when we start the actual battle.

If it's chemical/biological weapons, don't bother. I already use 'em meself in this sort of thing :p

Heh.

No, there's a special...eh-hem...something for you enemies of me awaiting you later on.

You'll see when we start the actual battle.

Ohhhh... I think I know what you mean. Did the Japanese do this to the Chinese during WW2?

If it's chemical/biological weapons, don't bother. I already use 'em meself in this sort of thing :p

Oh no, I use them as well during warfare. I have my own little line of them. :)

As I said, you'll see.

Ohhhh... I think I know what you mean. Did the Japanese do this to the Chinese during WW2?

Nope.

Nope.

So you are not going to flee the area, leave plague and other biological weapons behind, and wait for us to get sick and die.

So you are not going to flee the area, leave plague and other biological weapons behind, and wait for us to get sick and die.

Nope...way off.

What part does Phoria have in this war? Are they automatically on Witzgall's side?

Will you be taking any land or resources from the opposing countries if you win? Visa versa.

What part does Phoria have in this war? Are they automatically on Witzgall's side?

I guess...they're just part of my empire...I conquered them a while ago on the old NS forums...

They'd be basically a landmass that's neutral, as the Phorian government doesn't like any Witzgall influence anyway...and Phoria is just a bunch of terrorists.

Will you be taking any land or resources from the opposing countries if you win? Visa versa.

Hrmm...I don't know yet. It's possible.

If everyone agrees or something, then yeah.

I guess...they're just part of my empire...I conquered them a while ago on the old NS forums...

They'd be basically a landmass that's neutral, as the Phorian government doesn't like any Witzgall influence anyway...and Phoria is just a bunch of terrorists.

So you won't mind if I conquer Phoria independantly from your situation?

I would mind, as it is my nation as of now.

Phoria is not a nazi state as of yet, but there are military bases of Witzgall there to supress the terrorism and such. So technically they are under my control.

I would mind, as it is my nation as of now.

Phoria is not a nazi state as of yet, but there are military bases of Witzgall there to supress the terrorism and such. So technically they are under my control.


OK...so, just to set things straight, this "war" will not start until the 28th of Nov.?

Either the 28th at night or 29th at around 3:30ish. Most likely the 28th.

Either the 28th at night or 29th at around 3:30ish. Most likely the 28th.

OOC: 28th would be good...I'm a truck driver, and I leave late Sunday nite. I'd like to get a few licks in before I go.

28th or 29th sounds good to me.

A secret weapon? Sounds quite interesting!

I always love surprises. :D

In regards for conquering and owning land after the war, it depends. If it's taking place on Earth III, IV, V, or whatever, then I say go for it. But if its on NS Earth or Fiction Earth, it'll be quite difficult to stake claims due to scale issues and such.

Witzgall, expect a TG.

28 or 29 sounds good.

Alright then, 29th it is...I won't be on until 7:30ish on sunday, however.

And one more thing...

I plan to counterinvade, just to let you know. Don't think this whole war is going down on my land, that wouldn't be fun at all! ;)

And one more thing...

I plan to counterinvade, just to let you know. Don't think this whole war is going down on my land, that wouldn't be fun at all! ;)

I am curious, how will you manage to invade 5 - 10 nations? Sounds like a vast and difficult task. :)

I am anti-nazi

OOC: Im joining... cant make a decent IC post on the IC thread because of lack of time, but I am.

*plots to further colonial ambitions*

**Made First-Post Changes, CHECK THEM.**

I am curious, how will you manage to invade 5 - 10 nations? Sounds like a vast and difficult task. :)

Not all, but some.

I am anti-nazi

You are future tech, as well. Sorry..but only Modern Tech Nations are allowed to join the IC Roleplay thread.

Can I join?

Can I join?

Yeah, MT only though.

There's a new IC thread different from the one you posted in. Post there.

Nanakaland wishes to be on the neutral list. While we are allies with Witzgall through the LoD, Witzgall did not invoke the LoD to review the case, and thus it is not my responsibility to defend the nation (yet). As long as Witzgall remains intact, Nanakaland will remain on the neutral list. If foreign regimes want to take over Witzgall, I will not hesitate to get the entire Legion involved.

You have been added. :)

So it's 7:30 on th 29th?
What time zone are you referring to?

So it's 7:30 on th 29th?
What time zone are you referring to?

No, not 7:30 on the 29th.

Around 3-ish on the 29th, or 8 on the 28th. Either way, it's not like everyone is going to be on...

And I'm referring to my time zone, USeast.

Well Witz, my Presidente is as you guessed it, as corrupt as a piece of french bread. So I got to go in and save your butt ehh? Well, I guess you should put me up on your Allies list now! *arms nukes* lol, j/k.

I thank my ally, Truitt.

I'd like to join.

TAG

What side?

TAG, waiting for more people from the LoD to act on this.

What side?

Not yours.

lol...Ok.

Go ahead and put Tenarius on the list of enemies; sorry Witz, Mr. F...but it's my civic duty and it is what my nation would do.

Well Ten., it's alright. Just don't get in my way. Besides, I will only help him defencively, not offencively.

Also, to all those wondering why I joinned him when my Presidente has always said he hated Nazis (I am saying this only becouse I have been asked five times and I am tired of answering).

1) Witzgall has always (in the short half-month time) been a close ally of mine and my nation's. His resent views that are extremely corrupt do not bother me, I say down with the mexicans! (Oddly enough, I have Mexican-area Native American in me).

2) My leader is known to the little that have roleplayed with me to be radical, corrupted, and a bit of a teenager that never grew up (my own personality!). He'll do anythign for fun, send in military force, and so on. Loves to play with his jets and submarines too.

3) Why not? I got brown hair and brown eyes in RL, and so does my Presidente. Actually, as to the Jewish part, 67% of my nation's population is jewish, and the rest is majorly christian. Kinda contridicts huh?

4) I was planning a BIG civil war between my two rival Pysiers (states) that would probably end in nuclear weaponry use, and this would be a good roleplay to start showing signs of it.

5) Why not?

6) Felt like dieing before Christmas.

7) Wanted to blow up some jewish butt for taking all my money, dang banks and thier fees.

8) Why go agenst him when you have the majority advantage, when you can be with him and be sure to die?

There, eight reasons why I joinned him, now I don't want anyone else asking me...(starts to block people who TM or IM me "Why did you join the Nazis?")

OMFG I was going to post but I realized..

your post count is 666

Yea I'd like to join.

I would like to be Neutral for now, kinda see what happens, then determine which side to join.

If I am allowed in, I'll be bringing in 250,000 Infantrymen from the 23rd Division, which is 550,000 meaning I have 300,000 on reserve ( well I have more but not going to use more then this unless I must ).

And if there is weapon limitations, there all conventional.

Armed with the XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle ( Real Rifle, will be used by the American Marines in about 2 years or maby sooner ) and armed with the Glock 14 ( I know it is a older model, but its because of its Burst Fire and I also forgot the new Glock lol )

I try to be even Balanced, and always read thoroughly of whats going on so I don't make a fuck up. And no, I don't LEETZOR GODMODZER!! lol

So, I hope I can be allowed in.

OOC: Seeing how I'm first on the hitlist, lets give a brief idea on what the brave Witzgall troops face....

Booby Traps, Snipers, Pissed off Loyal Civilians with shotguns, molotovs, airtrikes, and the terain itself isn't fun, ground attacks, artillery barrages, rocket attacks, unfriendly condors, pillboxes.

(Heres a map of my great nation too.)
http://s04.imagehost.org/0789/Map_of_Verstummelung.png

Info:

Population of Verstummelung 50million.

25million are in the military.
(ages from 17-35.)

1.8million are in the youth core.
(ages from 12-16)

1.2million are in the fallback core.
(ages from 35-55)

-The rest are in factories producing materials for the war effort.
Verstummelung's Regular Soldier...
AK-108
or
M-16A3

Side Arm.
Micro Uzi - 9mm
or
Colt .45

Special Forces tend to carry submachine guns, or sometimes bolt action rifles. Its hard to say what type is used the most because Verstummelung at one point had a large black market for arms manufacturing. Snipers tend to stick with Bolt Action rifles, seeing as they do more damage and their more acurate.

The Tenarius Royal Military Forces are too complicated to describe here in one post, so I'll post activated forces whenever it comes up.

ATTENTION ALL!

I was wondering if we could place this war in Earth III?

I would be very happy to host this war in Earth III as it could use a boost in RP'ing and such. In addition, many of us already have claims in Earth III which would work out nicely.

DPUO, Witzgall, West Cedarbrook, and Sharina are some of the nations in this war who has claims in Earth III.

Please post feedback, opinions, etc. :)

ATTENTION ALL!

I was wondering if we could place this war in Earth III?

I would be very happy to host this war in Earth III as it could use a boost in RP'ing and such. In addition, many of us already have claims in Earth III which would work out nicely.

DPUO, Witzgall, West Cedarbrook, and Sharina are some of the nations in this war who has claims in Earth III.

Please post feedback, opinions, etc. :)

I had some territory in the old Eath III, but now have lost it when it became renewed.

Who is West Cedarbrook, and NO. This is NS Earth, as in everyone has their own nation and now RL claims.

Bump

OOps...the military list above is inaccurate, let me delete that... :)

West Cedarbrook is a NATO member, with territory on Earth III. We are joining this war against Witzgall.

Please let me know if the following troop list is too big. It is based off of the invasion divisions list on the IC thread. Here are the troop amounts:

About 110,000 Infantry Troops
About 20,000 Humvees
About 30,000 APCs
About 10,000 Light Tanks(British Scorpions[fastest tank in RL])
About 20,000 Medium Tanks(Japanese Type 90 Tank)
About 10,000 Heavy Tanks(American M1A2 Abrams)
About 10,000 Artillery Guns
About 4,500 Fighter/Ground Attack Aircraft
About 1,000 Bombers
6 Aircraft Carriers
About 100 Destroyers
About 20 Cruisers
About 15 Battleships
About 5 Battlecruisers

Is that good?

My Infintry Divison (5 Divisons- Infintry, Naval, Aerial, Special, and Homeland Guard) consists of
.25 Million active troops
Each armed with an AK74, knife, shrapnel grenades.
A few tanks, will update soon.

Aerial Division
.2 Million active troops
150 Mig 29's
70 Hip Mil 8 HIPs

Special Division
Wouldn't be special if I told you, now would it?

No real Navy yet, just small boats for policing the waters.

Homland Guard Divison
.3 Million Active Troops (twice as many in reserves)
Same as Infintry, but are used for Homeland Defense and Terrorist type scenarios.

I can go into more detail on request.

West Cedarbrook is a NATO member, with territory on Earth III. We are joining this war against Witzgall.

This does not take place on Earth III...so stop referring to countries everybody!

AHahahahh!! All of your troops will crumble beneath my empire's wrath... :D

HERE'S MY MILITARY:


Army
56.3 million frontline troops
17.6 million reserves

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Armored Forces

---Division 1---
96,204 troops and crew
1592 King Elephante MBT
59 Jukii Light Tanks
98 Blackbear MLRS
134 Dark Knight (self propelled howitzer)
17 M56 Self Propelled Artillery
23 M40 Self Propelled Artillery
26 Palmarias
18 M107
167 S/A-8.21 "Gurk" missile with TEL

---Division 2---
67,108 troops and crew
1042 King Elephante MBT
121 Stingray Light Tanks
98 Hornet Malkaras (tank destroyer)
52 Dark Knight (self propelled howitzer)
27 M40 Self Propelled Artillery
50 M1973
60 Palmarias
201 S/A-8.21 "Gurk" missile with TEL

---Division 3---
67,028 troops and crew
1293 King Elephante MBT
103 Stingray Light tank
37 Scorpion Light Tank
68 Scimitar light tank
78 ISU-152 Self propelled Artillery
46 Blackbear MLRS
65 SMERCH
102 Dark Knight SPH
60 M1973
12 M107
31 Palmarias
64 S/A-8.21 "Gurk" missile with TEL

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Air Force
---Air Division 1---
128,802 troops and crew
82 A-10 Warthogs
149 F-132 "Amor Patriae"
186 F-102 "Numen VI" ZFighter Jet
102 F-22
88 Black Viper F-65 ZFighter Jet

---Air Division 2---
100,680 troops and crew
182 "Numen VI" ZFighter Jet
104 Black Viper F-65 ZFighter Jet
91 F-132 "Amor Patriae"
45 F-22

---Air Division 3, Bomber Force 1---
268,032 troops and crew
196 PX-201 'Bruntik' bombers
134 PX-202 'Jorachi' bombers
286 "Großes Ungeheuer" Strategic Bomber
188 B-52 bombers
98 B-2 stealth bombers
65 B-1B Lancers
36 B2 stealth bombers
79 F-132 "Amor Patriae"

---Air Division 4, Bomber Force 2---
103 "Großes Ungeheuer" Strategic Bomber
101 B-52 bombers
44 PX-201 'Bruntik' bombers
66 PX-202 'Jorachi' bombers
75 B2 stealth bombers
80 B-1B Lancers

---Air Division 5, Allied Air---
2,001,030 troops and crew
52,500 F-100C Rattlesnakes
52,500 F-100NB Sea Snakes
52,500 A-100B Copperheads
35,000 B-10A Pythons
25,000 F-200B King Cobras
17,500 R-50 Owls
25,000 B-52s
35,000 C-59 Falcon II Armored Dropships
266,500 AH-498VX Souix Heavy Gunships
71,500 CH-47 Chinooks
176,000 C-130 Herculeses
29,500 AC-130H Spectre Gunships
30,000 Hotspot Strykers

---Air Force Division 6, Helicopter Task Force---
96,638 troops and crew
538 Bolt
121 AH-64 Apache
108 Commache
203 Chinook

NAVY

100 Rijan class submarines
4 Furol class Submarine Carriers

46 Afilia-Class
38 Alfred Thayer Mahan Class Guided Missile Cruisers
48 David D. Porter Class Guided Missile Destroyers
23 Crusader Class Escort Frigates
12 Pernicious Class ICVBN
14 Vulpine Class CVBN
16 Endeavour Class CVL
26 Proxima Class CVEN
28 Quantum Class Amphibious Multi-Role Command Ship

58 Vengence Class FCGN
70 Merciless Class CAA
68 Porter Class DDG
46 Appomattox Class DDH
116 Stalwart Class Patrol Configuration
45 Stalwart Class Land Attack Configuration

20 Caesar Class SSBN
18 Caesar Class SSGN
42 Brutus Class SSN

88 Johnston Class Supply/Ammunition Ships
48 Replenisher Class Oilers
16 Texarkana Class LSV



Note how "Allied Air" is a large force, and no navy troops are posted. Allied Air is so large because it was given to me **for free** by an ally when I was a 500mil nation. It is still active.

No naval troops/Spec Ops are listed because several of my naval vessels are on patrol, and it is not good for you to know how many troops I have operating my patrol. Also, Spec Ops are kept very very secret.

And there are other things hidden...possibly more troops, but who knows. This list is before a time of war, so many people are enlisting right now to fight for their country.

Also, the war will begin with me invading Vermul...something. You may protect him if you wish, but I am taking him over to begin this whole war.

Are you wanting to increase the numbers of the Shogun's finest that will fight against you? If you try to invade me with those paltry forces, they shall crumble on Tomzillian soil.

OOC: Whats funny is half those troops in the main divisions might not come home from Verstummelung. You know, Deadly Artillery.....tanks, and attack helos....

Not all of that is being sent to you...that is just an overall list, with much omitted.

bump, the war has started!

OK. We're off Earth III now.

Statement of Forces for this RP:

Army of West Cedarbrook:
1.2 Mill, in 12 Armies, 5 div each: including:
18 Armored Divisions
6 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
2 Airborne Divisions
1 Special Ops Division
33 Infantry Divisions

West Cedarbrook National Guard:
6 Corps, 1 Million each: including:
20Armored Divisions
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
270 Infantry Divsions

Local Militia:
13 Mill, small arms (you know, service pistols, knives, dead cats, stingers, and, for you Not-zees, Panzerfausts)

West Cedarbrook Air Force:
1st Air Force:
10,940 F-15 E's
962 F23-1I
4,215 Harrier GR9A

2nd Air Force:
9,841 F-15 E's
1011 F23-1I
3898 Harrier GR9A

3rd Air Force:
9,780 F-15 E's
1059 F23-1I
5141 Harrier GR9A

Navy:
Extraregional Fleet:
4 Aircraft Carrier Groups

Regional Fleet:
4 Aircraft Carrier Groups
8 Battlegroups
249 Submarines

Okay, I will add you to the enemies' list.

OOC: Enemies is I. I'll be providing support soon for my allies.

Witz, you gonna reply to my MIGs?

I didn't notice your post man...sorry.

I'm going to reply as soon as I can think of what to say.

I didn't notice your post man...sorry.

I'm going to reply as soon as I can think of what to say.

Not a problem, my friend. You like the awesome long posts.

Forgiven is thou.

Tomzilla....wtf are you doing invading me?

Well, enjoy the surprise.

You mave have started the war Witzgall, but I'm going to give you a good Korean War history lesson. Prepare for a second Inchon.

Note: See the storefront in my link for all weapon/equipment information.

Also Note; NS is being stupid and UN issues took my Economy down. From now on I rate my stats at Superb/Very Good/Above Average, perfectly reasonable and I have achieved it before.

Also note that Tenarius has no Naval access itself, and as such will be using borrowed ports and ships from New Kaland if necessary. This also means your fleets will not be able to counter-attack easily. Check the New Commonwealth Map
The Tenarius Royal Military:

Activated Troops: (Not counting Logistics Personell)

Infantry:
4.25 Million Soldiers
50,000 RS-27 81mm Mortar
75,000 RS-21 65mm Light Mortar
10,000 RS-56 Ultralight 155mm Field Howitzers


Cavalry:
3.8 Million Soldiers

1,500 R-500d Ogre Main Battle Tanks
1,800 R-520 Brute Main Battle Tanks
2,500 R-545 Minotaur Ultralight Main Battle Tanks
5,000 R-350 Ferret Light Tanks
10,000 R-621 Warrior 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer

6,500 R-120 Puma Light Reconnaissance Vehicles
4,500 R-126 Tiger Light Armoured Vehicle
3,250 R-715 Panther Medium Armoured Combat Vehicle
2,500 R-727 Retributor Wheeled Heavy Tank Destroyer
10,000 R-670 Valiant Air Defense Platform
10,000 R-220 Io Armoured Personell Carrier
12,500 R-233 Saint Mobile Field Hospital Vehicle
1,000 R-805 Overlord Armoured Command and Control Vehicle
5,000 R-856 Monkeywrench Engineering Vehicle

5,000 R-1200 Black Heart Heavy Transport Helicopter
2,500 R-1700 Thunderbolt Light Attack Helicopter
2,500 R-1800 Praetor Combat Support Helicopter


Air Force:
Numbers not yet released.

My humblest apologies, Witz. I ballsed up royally yesterday, falling asleep at half eight and waking up at quarter to midnight, by which time I was too late to do anything much.

You mave have started the war Witzgall, but I'm going to give you a good Korean War history lesson. Prepare for a second Inchon.

Ha. You think you'll get one ship close to my shores...any foreign vessel or aircraft will be shot down by me or possibly my regional allies who are off the shore of me.

Just a quick tally of the forces thus far mentioned:

Air units

10th and 11th Bomber divisions en route to target point, which is as close to Witzgall as they can get (they only need to get within 3,500Km, the max. range of the P-750, but naturally, they will ideally get closer):

10th = 240 Tu-160B "Blackjack" bombers.
11th = 192 Tu-160Bs and 48 Tu-22M6s.

Four waves, each in a delta formation. Wave one at 20,000ft, 2 at 16,000, 3 at 14,000 and 4 at 12,000. Backup aircraft at 15,000ft.

Their escort, the 215th Air Defence Brigade, is 120 MiG-31MU LRIs. Each carries 6 R-37B AAMs and four R-77M AAMs. Arrayed ahead of main waves. Each bomber wave escorted by 24 MiGs, and backup by 12. 12 MiGs free-roving.

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At sea

4th Expeditionary Fleet:

2 Orel CVN
1 Repulse BCVN (Revenge)

1 Soyuz BBN (Moskva) (Flag)
1 Frunze BBN (Eremekno)
2 Anubis BCGN

1 Boar CGN
7 Kara CG (w/Improved Silex)
4 Slava CG
8 Sovremennyy DDG
9 Udaloy-II DDG (w/Improved Silex)

4 Berezina AOR
2 Georgic AOR
1 Boris Chilikin AO

10 Sierra-III SSN (Sierra-II with improved Trafalgar-class SONAR)
8 Akula-III SSN (Akula-II wih improved Trafalgar SONAR)
3 Oscar-II SSGN

Approx. 220 aircraft (~150 fied-wing and 70 rotary-wing)

Heading for Witzgall from approx. ENE.

I have an air patrol about to engage your bomber force. They have spotted a large amount of bombers, but only 30-50 fighters.

You can have them sneak up on some of my planes and try to destroy them, but there won't be many Witzgallian Air Casualties due to the fact that everything is Phoenixius' technology and my planes. Very hard to engage with missiles without having them jammed.

Also, I have large amounts of anti-aircraft guns on my coast.

Yarr. Bear in mind that so far none of them are amitting anything, apart from directional UHF transmissions. There are also 48 jamming aircraft (the Tu-22M7s) behind them. When they think they've been detected, everything's going to light up, with interesting results. Also, the MiGs' radars have an improved anti-stealth capability; it's not infallible by any means, but it's handy.

Bear in mind that a Backfire isn't the most subtle thing in the sky...and I told you that they saw them, nothing on the radar.

Bit strange. The P-750 has a range of around 3,500 kilometres. The plan is that the bombers get as close as they can and then lob the missiles and run like hell, hence the light escort. If they got close enough to be within visual range of the fighters, I'd be surprised if they were still alive.

Well, the fighters use a sort of battlefield viewing system (also done by Phoenixius) that allows them to zoom in on certain areas and check the status of other things.

I forgot to mention that... :(

Oh, and I plan to engage now... :)

Meh, mistakes happen. Just posted btw. The MiGs can illuminate your aircraft vtw (just in case you're unfamiliar with LD/SD radars) despite their being above them.

I know...and seeing how you have jamming planes, and also the fact that you just basically sent all of your non-jamming planes into alert mode as you illuminated us, that kind of popped up on our radar.

Responded, btw.

And why don't you talk like this on the NATO forums...half the time you sound like a pirate. :p

Yarrr!! Shiver Me Timbers And So Forth! :d

Yep. There he is...

Yep, can't keep the bugger down. Down boy! :P

Posted too.

Yep, can't keep the bugger down. Down boy! :P

Posted too.

Replied, DPUO...and How many missiles were launched...that'd help.

I tallied it at about 700 originally, but that's silly. Having made some adjustments for ranges and whatnot, I think 420 is the best number. Seven hundred is as I say just silly. Most of them are targeting all the usual sorts of things, i.e. industrial facilities, oil storage, ports, airfields and so forth. Say about 40% are aimed at military and 60% at non-military but important targets. Of course, they may go off course and such (damn you Russian engineering!)

So far I think I've said that 12 or so have collided with 88mm guns and a radar station.

Airfields and such are kept on the inner areas...as are many oil holdings. However, ports will be damaged...I will RP that...

I will also RP perhaps a missile or two hitting a civilian building? Up to you...

Hey, sure thing. Happens all the time in Rl, after all.

Ok, now to type up that.

Would it be alright to post using non-nuclear missles from silos in Tomzilla to attack Witzgall? Or would that be too much.

That may be too much...

Why, not interested in standard invasions?

*snickers at the secrets he kept...*

That may be too much...

Why, not interested in standard invasions?

*snickers at the secrets he kept...*

Just wanted to know. Now I have a different strategy. Basically the same except no missles from home. Oh yeah, I forgot. You go biological warfare, I go nuclear warfare.

Just wanted to know. Now I have a different strategy. Basically the same except no missles from home. Oh yeah, I forgot. You go biological warfare, I go nuclear warfare.

You go n00k, I go PWNing.

And you all think it's nuclear warfare or some wierd chemical thats my surprise...heh. I have 3 surprises. One for air, one for sea, and one for land. You'll enjoy the twists.

You go n00k, I go PWNing.

And you all think it's nuclear warfare or some wierd chemical thats my surprise...heh. I have 3 surprises. One for air, one for sea, and one for land. You'll enjoy the twists.

Now I am fearful.

Don't fight OOC with words, fight IC with RPs.

Now I am fearful.

You should be... ;)

As should all of you...*wierd echo*
All of you...
All of you...
Of you...
you...
you...
you...
*/wierd echo*

Don't fight OOC with words, fight IC with RPs.

Cough...uh, NK...check the IC thread. This is the OOC one...discussion thread, ya know? lol...little NK got confused, I guess. ;)

Oh, and the surprises are...how do I say big, but more than big, and not gigantic, but bigger than that...oh, mammoth.

You'll see...
see...
see...
see...

*slaps himself for echo*

Witzgall, in the best RPs of war, the warring nations get along OOCly. That way, they can agree on important IC things, such as the winner at the end of a battle and ultimately the war.

Oh and I appoligize for my large signature for that small post. Made my sig more compact now.

Oh, and the surprises are...how do I say big, but more than big, and not gigantic, but bigger than that...oh, mammoth.

You'll see...
see...
see...
see...

*slaps himself for echo*

Now I'm waiting for the others to invade to see what happens.

Witzgall, in the best RPs of war, the warring nations get along OOCly. That way, they can agree on important IC things, such as the winner at the end of a battle and ultimately the war.

Oh and I appoligize for my large signature for that small post. Made my sig more compact now.

No matter on the sig, and we do get along ICly...but some of the plot cant be revealed here, just so surprises can be made to the "audience."

If anybody is curious about the surprises who doesn't already know about them, go ahead and TG me with the question. But keep in mind, you "don't know about them" until they happen. No spy satellites or crap to reveal it, boys and girls...sorry.

Oh this is so hard, though.

If Witzgall was just another Nazi nation with few allies, I'd invade. On the flipside, if Witzgall was not a dictatorship that declared war on the international community, I'd help my ally. Now I can't do anything but watch for now.

Oh this is so hard, though.

If Witzgall was just another Nazi nation with few allies, I'd invade. On the flipside, if Witzgall was not a dictatorship that declared war on the international community, I'd help my ally. Now I can't do anything but watch for now.

Hehe...go me for my biggest declaration of war ever! w00t! :)

The only problem is I'm not bound to defend you as an ally through the LoD because of the following technicallities:

You're the agressor in the conflict. Thus, I'm not bound to defend you through the LoD. You barely kept your membership. If a member of lesser standing did this, they'd be kicked out of the Legion of Defense before you can say, "war."
You didn't call upon the Legion to defend you, so I have no obligation to. Even if you did, the processing of the request may take some time and the Council may reject any request if you ask for help.
As long as I myself am not attacking you, I'm not violating any LoD rules, and thus can stay neutral for the moment.

I understand that I signed up for this conflict, but I signed up as a neutral nation, currently undecided.

I know your not violating any rules...and actually I didn't call the LoD to help, I called upon them to get involved. So you're right there, too.

However, as for kicking me out for being the agressor...hmm...well, I'm an admin :p

Just kidding. Anyway, it's good to see you again NK...haven't talked much since the LoD forums or the region...

How is it, anyway (make is short, don't want to annoy the rest of the folks.)

Well, technically, I'm involved, just not helping you (yet).

ALright then. Shall I use my plasma genrators?

As I said, until I had proof that they worked properly, I'd be careful about doing so, certainly profligately.

Hey, I just heard about this RP from Verstummerlung and he put in a request for our region to commit troops to stop the aggression of Witzgall. Can I join? The only problem, I can't fully commit until after Saturday.

As I said, until I had proof that they worked properly, I'd be careful about doing so, certainly profligately.

Well, the way I use 'em is that they are not up to full operational capabilities. Prototypes, really. The clouds go on and off occasionally. I still can't maneuver the cloud as well as I should...need some more work on it.

Also, nearly all info on russian plasma stealth is kept top-secret. I can find practically nothing no it.

Hey, I just heard about this RP from Verstummerlung and he put in a request for our region to commit troops to stop the aggression of Witzgall. Can I join? The only problem, I can't fully commit until after Saturday.

I'd advise that you wait until he gets back and ask his permission.

Verstummerlung or Witzgall. I'm guessing Witzgall, right?

Me & My Allies:
Witzgall
Truitt

My Enemies:
DontPissUsOff
Praetonia
Sanctaphrax
Sharina
Armandian Cheese
Verstummelung
Tyrandis
Tomzilla
Triancia
Ratheia
Pyschotika
Tenarius
West Cedarbrook

Neutral Nations:
New Mesapotamia
Akin Republics
Nanakaland
Anagonia

Looks like a one-sided conflict. No wonder Witzgall wants me and my allies to join so badly...

Alot of people don't like Nazis, including me.

Yes, I don't like Nazis either. But one of the anti-Witzgall forces attacked my unarmed neutral submarine, so I'm not going to go fighting Witzgall anytime soon...

I didn't think Witz had given WC the OK to post yet. Ah well. I'm off to bed, night all!

Yes, I don't like Nazis either. But one of the anti-Witzgall forces attacked my unarmed neutral submarine, so I'm not going to go fighting Witzgall anytime soon...

That's unusual. Sorry for your loss.

I didn't think Witz had given WC the OK to post yet. Ah well. I'm off to bed, night all!

Witz at first didn't and was going to ignore it. But over IM with me he changed his mind. Ask him tomorrow.

Damn you people, keep the flooding of the IC thread DOWN.

And the plasma thing...if you can't prove it, the oh well...no using it. I dont care if its "top secret", you obviously know enough about it, so explain.

And WC is allowed in, just because I want him to...he plays a small role sort of.

Hiyas guys.

I'd like to state a few things.

First, I won't be active until this weekend because of Real Life issues and stuff.

Second, I have no territory or holdings in NS Earth. The only territory I own is in the Earth Series, like Earth III, IV, and V. Also, I have a home Earth where there are no NS nations in that universe (yet) so I can fall back to other RP'ing if my holdings in Earth III, IV, and V are conquered for some reason.

How can we work this out? I'd like to do some RP'ing with you guys.

Third, I have little to no understanding or knowledge of military stats and specs. All I know and understand are military tactics and logistics. Some of you guys seem like you're very well versed in military hardware.

Fourth, I'm willing to use 4% of my population for the military. 1% for offense (go on the attack if any attack), and 3% for defense (if I do get invaded). I have about 630 million people, and as the war drags on, it'll only increase. By X-mas I might have 700 or 800 million people.

That would give me approximately 6 million soldiers for offense, and 18 million for defense. This includes logistics personnel, so that means about 3 million combat ready soldiers for offense, and about 10 million combat ready soldiers for defense (logistics in homeland is far easier than on foreign soil thanks to extensive transportation network in place).


I'd be grateful for any assistance and feedback on military, territory, and ideas how I can enter this RP (which is looking awesome BTW). Live well, friends. :)

Say Witzgall, do you happen to have a fleet of navy off of Verstummelung?

Hello Witz. Is there any chance that I could enter this conflict?

I am a right-wing nation after all and would be happy to support a like-minded government.

Hiyas guys.

I'd like to state a few things.

First, I won't be active until this weekend because of Real Life issues and stuff.

Second, I have no territory or holdings in NS Earth. The only territory I own is in the Earth Series, like Earth III, IV, and V. Also, I have a home Earth where there are no NS nations in that universe (yet) so I can fall back to other RP'ing if my holdings in Earth III, IV, and V are conquered for some reason.

How can we work this out? I'd like to do some RP'ing with you guys.

Third, I have little to no understanding or knowledge of military stats and specs. All I know and understand are military tactics and logistics. Some of you guys seem like you're very well versed in military hardware.

Fourth, I'm willing to use 4% of my population for the military. 1% for offense (go on the attack if any attack), and 3% for defense (if I do get invaded). I have about 630 million people, and as the war drags on, it'll only increase. By X-mas I might have 700 or 800 million people.

That would give me approximately 6 million soldiers for offense, and 18 million for defense. This includes logistics personnel, so that means about 3 million combat ready soldiers for offense, and about 10 million combat ready soldiers for defense (logistics in homeland is far easier than on foreign soil thanks to extensive transportation network in place).


I'd be grateful for any assistance and feedback on military, territory, and ideas how I can enter this RP (which is looking awesome BTW). Live well, friends. :)

Okay, well its very easy (NS Land...)...its basically you just make a map in MS Paint or whichever you choose, and just give a general location (in the middle of an ocean, landlocked (please give region name or something that your attached to) etc etc).
As for statistic and specifications, most people use the following sites:
Federation of American Scientists (http://www.fas.org/)
Army Technology (http://www.army-technology.com/)
Global Security (http://www.globalsecurity.org/)

Those have large "databases" of all military weapons, current and some older.

I hope what I've said helps. If you have anything else to ask, please TM me or something.

....now the rest of you:

Say Witzgall, do you happen to have a fleet of navy off of Verstummelung?

Somewhat. I have several destroyers and about 10 special carriers sitting far away from Ashlung, in the middle of the ocean (he's landlocked, and 2 miles out is where a fleet can be or it is beached, so they're a while out...) preparing for a possible assault of aircraft once more.

Hello Witz. Is there any chance that I could enter this conflict?

I am a right-wing nation after all and would be happy to support a like-minded government.

I would assume so, but its kind of deep into the RP...we'd have to work a way to get you into it. Any ideas, people?

Alright guys, i'll refrain from using the plasma generators.
However, I will tell you how it works.

Using a special system it generates a cloud of energy that ionizes the area around the aircraft. This makes a sort of "field" that absorbs and scatters radar waves. It is moved around using magnetic pull to allow for the frontal radar to function.

Rather high tech.

Hold off on them...until you find a site or something that actually is accurate (as in made by a military org or something trusted like that).

I would assume so, but its kind of deep into the RP...we'd have to work a way to get you into it. Any ideas, people?

Intelligent Neighbors is a new Protector in the Legion of Defense. You're in the Legion of Defense. I'm in the Legion of Defense. My sub was attacked. You're in a war against the people who attacked my sub.

I didn't recognize he was an LoD Protector.

Welcome, IN. :)

Okay, well its very easy (NS Land...)...its basically you just make a map in MS Paint or whichever you choose, and just give a general location (in the middle of an ocean, landlocked (please give region name or something that your attached to) etc etc).


How do you upload MS Paint onto the internet?

Use an image hosting site, such as photobucket.com or imageshack.us

MAUAHAHA!! Secret One, for DPUO...your welcome, kind sir.

Here is the "Secret" Naval forces that will soon sink your ships... :)


Pernicious II class Improved Heavy Nuclear Carrier - 25
Endeavour class Light Carrier - 60
Proxima class Escort Carrier - 128
Vulpine class heavy Nuclear Carrier - 20
Texarkana class Helicopter Carrier - 50
Olympia Class Large Cruisers - 80
Twain Class Battleships - 50
Finn Class Patrol Cutters - 200
Avenger Class Patrol Boats - 100
Gettysburg class Guided Missile Battleship - 60
Coral Sea class Guided Missile Light battleship - 184
Valiant class Battle Cruiser (Railgun equiped) - 110
Merciless class Air Defense Cruiser - 400
Vengeance class Fast Attack Missile Cruisier - 400
Newport class Guided Missile Destroyer - 236
Appomattox class Heavy Destroyer - 550
Stalwart class Patrol Frigate - 350
Eugene class Joint Command Ship - 31
Sawyer Class Patrol Frigates - 350
Brutus class Fast Attack Submarine - 600
Caesar class Guided Missile Submarine - 300
Caesar class Ballistic Missile Submarine - 100
San Angeles Class Attack Carrier - 100
Merch Hospital Ship - 60
Blue Cross Hospital Ship - 25

Have a nice day. :p

THE NUMEN V, AS DONE IN THE IC THREAD:



PICTURE (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su27/images/su27_2.jpg)

Crew one pilot

Power Plant
Engines 2 twin shaft augmented turbofan JJ-78
maximum thrust, full augmentation 2 x 141,500 kg
maximum thrust, dry 2 x 9,200kg

Weight
maximum take-off weight 36,200 kg
normal take-off weight 21,200 kg
maximum landing weight 28,000 kg
maximum internal fuel 9,850 kg

Dimensions
Length 23 m
height on landing gear6.2m
Span 15.25 m
wing area 62.2 square m
landing gear base 5.92 m
landing gear track 4.5 m

Flight data
maximum speed at high altitude Mach 4.2
maximum speed near ground 1,625 km/h
minimum indicated speed 260 km/hour
service ceiling 18,400 m
rate of climb near ground 345 m
radius of turn near ground 445 m
maximum limit load factor +10g
maximum operation range near ground 1410 km
maximum operating range at cruise altitude 3,770 km
Take-off run at normal take-off weight 425 m
landing run with drag parachute 645 m


List of Technologies
Phoenixius Defensive Countermeasures Suite, Generation II
Phoenixius Holographic Battlefield Visualisation System, Generation II
Archangel Stealth System, Generation III
Computer Aided Control System, Generation IV
Deity System
Wraith Holographic System G-II
Triad Armor
Explanation of the JJ-78: The JJ-78 was made by a company in Truitt.

Each engine has two air intakes: a primary wedge intake and a louvred auxiliary air intake. The twin-shaft, turbo-fan engine has after-turbine flow mixing, a common afterburner, an all-mode variable area jet exhaust nozzle, an independent start and a main electronic control, and a reserve hydromechanical engine mode control system. The high-temperature sections of the engines are made of titanium alloy.

The RR-556-TyH-7A02 was the test version of the JJ-78. It was created with a surrounded-shaft escape for abm problems and a release valve for carrier operations although its goal was not that.

The ratings came back with a powerful 16,000lb of thrust each with half pulse, which is why it is so unique.

Being the secound engine developed with the Flame Jet[tm] Capability. It allows more fuel to be injected into the feed otherthan the exhust like afterburnners.

The overall ejection is only a quarter of the percentage normally thrusted into the engine, but the effects are nearly double.

The Flame Jet[tm] also allows for superburnners, or afterburnners in a more fuel-efficant way. If equals out about a tenth fo the percentage sent into the engine and a tenth sent into the exhust, giving it a few extra bits of economic ratings.

OK, but bear in mind I do pretty strict Mod. tech, which means railguns are essentially out, at least in their über-refined form.

By the way, the next satellite pass is pretty likely to find that little lot...or the next Maritime Patrol aircraft.

Thats fine, I had a satellite find your little navy, and possibly Phoenixius will head it off and "surprise" it. :)

This war is so far going in my favor...I like this. :p

Thats fine, I had a satellite find your little navy, and possibly Phoenixius will head it off and "surprise" it. :)

This war is so far going in my favor...I like this. :p

And by little navy, I mean that surprise force that your attempting to meet up with.

Ok guys, heres my entire navy listed - as stated in my other post some are staying at home, but the others are on route.


Expedition Fleets, 1-10
2x Enyan-A/V class carrier
1x Enyan-D/V class carrier
5x Revion-V class battleship
10x Kelis-V class cruiser
5x Wyth-V class cruiser
20x Tritius-D/V class frigate
20x Harius-V class submarine
5x Culth-V class support ship
1x Nurio-C/V class command ship
10x Nurio-T/V class transport ship
5x Nurio-H/V class hospital ships

Assault Fleets, 1-3
1x Enyan-A/V class carrier
1x Revion-V class battleship
5x Kelis-V class cruiser
20x Tritius-D/V class frigate
20x Virak-V class missilecraft
10x Harius-V class submarine
10x Rijan-V class submarine
5x Culth-V class support ship
1x Nurio-C/V class command ship
10x Nurio-T/V class transport ship
10x Nurio-A/V class assualt ship
5x Nurio-H/V class hospital ship
20x Wroy-V class transport

Submarine Fleets, 1-5
1x Furol-V class submarine carrier
10x Harius-V class submarine
5x Rijan-V class submarine
10x Skiy-V class submarine

Drone Fleets, 1-5
1x Enyan-D/V class carrier
20x Genla-V class UNV
20x Storm-V class UNV

Home Fleets, N/S
1x Enyan-A/V class carrier
3x Revion-V class battleship
10x Kelis-V class cruiser
10x Wyth-V class cruiser
30x Tritius-D/V class frigate
20x Virak-V class missilecraft
40x Harius-V class submarine
20x Rijan-V class submarine
50x Skiy-V class submarine
1x Furol-V class submarine carrier
20x Culth-V class support ship
2x Nurio-C/V class command ship
10x Nurio-T/V class transport ship
10x Nurio-A/V class assualt ship
15x Nurio-H/V class hospital ship
10x Wroy-V class transport


And here are the aircraft on board:

Deployed to Expedition Fleets
1520x Gencor-V fighter
100x Rukus bomber UAV
100x Argot fighter UAV

Deployed to Assualt Fleets
150x Gencor-V fighter

Deployed to Submarine Fleets
150x Gencor-V fighter

Deployed to Drone Fleets
30x Iridis reconnaissance UAV
60x Rukus bomber UAV
60x Argot fighter UAV

DPUO - I hope for your sake that your ships aren't hading to the NE of Witzgall? I'm directly to he NE of Witzgall, with the mass of the New Commonwealths mainland right from E of Witzgall right up to NEN.

Meh, I was assuming he was roughly in an area loosely analogous to the South Atlantic, with me in an area roughly analogous to the South Pacific (though rather closer); it doesn't make much sense iof you're there that I've got anything in so far :\

Well, Phoenixius wasn't going to help me. So you could have slipped in, truthfully, seeing how Tenarius and Praetonia are in my region and they are on your side...

Righto, since you evidently feel like having some fun.. :p

Full Fleet Inventories

Northern Fleet

Nuclear submarines

160 Akula-III SSNs
230 Sierra-III SSNs
175 Oscar-II SSGNs
30 Typhoon SSBNs

Surface Combatants

35 Hunter-class BBCNs
80 Frunze-class BBNs
50 Soyuz-class BBNs
20 Tempest-class BCNs
25 Admiral-class BCNs
18 Arrow-class BCCNs
30 Anubis-class BCGNs

25 Kiev-II CVHNs
20 Kuznetsov-II CVs
30 Ul'yanovsk-class carriers (called Orel-class)
40 Repulse-class BCVN

10 Kirov-class CGN
20 Slava-class CG
20 Kara-class CG
10 Boar-class CGN

140 Udaloy-II DDGs
150 Sovremennyy-class DDGs

140 Neustrashimiy-class FF

125 Berezina-class AORs
100 Boris Chilikin AOs
100 Ugra-class Submarine Support ships

Patrol units

160 Kilo-class SS
6 Tango-class SS
124 Juliett-II-class SSG

115 Krivak-III-class FFH
120 Nanuchka-III PCG
120 Grisha-V PCG
130 Project 1242.8 (Molniya) PCG

Amphibious Warfare Units

56 Ivan Rogov LSM
69 Ropucha LST
63 Aist ACV

Non-combat units

Special Duties Submarines

14 India-class AGSS
24 Bravo-class Padded Target submarines
22 Piryana-class Special Operations submarines
12 Delta-VI C3I Submarines (SSBNs with the missile bay replaced by a C3I centre.)
28 Poseidon DSRVs

Intelligence-Gathering Ships

70 Vishnya AGI
102 Okean AGI
32 Kapusta AGI (CC)
79 Moma AGI


Eastern Fleet

Nuclear submarines

290 Akula-III SSNs
150 Sierra-III SSNs
175 Oscar-II SSGNs
30 Typhoon SSBNs

Surface Combatants

40 Hunter-class BBCNs
60 Frunze-class BBNs
70 Soyuz-class BBNs
19 Tempest-class BCNs
25 Admiral-class BCNs
18 Arrow-class BCCNs
30 Anubis-class BCGNs

25 Kiev-II CVHNs
20 Kuznetsov-II CVs
30 Ul'yanovsk-class carriers (called Orel-class)
40 Repulse-class BCVN

10 Kirov-class CGN
20 Slava-class CG
20 Kara-class CG
10 Boar-class CGN

140 Udaloy-II DDGs
150 Sovremennyy-class DDGs

140 Neustrashimiy-class FF

125 Berezina-class AORs
100 Boris Chilikin AOs
100 Ugra-class Submarine Support ships

Patrol units

160 Kilo-class SS
6 Tango-class SS
124 Juliett-II-class SSG

115 Krivak-III-class FFH
120 Nanuchka-III PCG
120 Grisha-V PCG
130 Project 1242.8 (Molniya) PCG

Amphibious Warfare Units

56 Ivan Rogov LSM
69 Ropucha LST
63 Aist ACV

Non-combat units

Special Duties Submarines

14 India-class AGSS
24 Bravo-class Padded Target submarines
22 Piryana-class Special Operations submarines
12 Delta-VI C3I Submarines (SSBNs with the missile bay replaced by a C3I centre.)
28 Poseidon DSRVs

Intelligence-Gathering Ships

70 Vishnya AGI
102 Okean AGI
32 Kapusta AGI (CC)
79 Moma AGI

(N.B. N and E Fleet are the same size, but with the exception that E. Fleet will generally engage in longer-range missions and thus has more Nuclear boats.)


Western Fleet

Nuclear submarines

Nuclear submarines

190 Akula-III SSNs
160 Sierra-III SSNs
150 Oscar-II SSGNs
20 Typhoon SSBNs

Surface Combatants

25 Hunter-class BBCNs
70 Frunze-class BBNs
50 Soyuz-class BBNs
30 Tempest-class BCNs
35 Admiral-class BCNs
28 Arrow-class BCCNs
28 Anubis-class BCGNs

25 Kiev-II CVHNs
20 Kuznetsov-II CVs
30 Ul'yanovsk-class carriers (called Orel-class)
40 Repulse-class BCVN

10 Kirov-class CGN
20 Slava-class CG
20 Kara-class CG
10 Boar-class CGN

140 Udaloy-II DDGs
150 Sovremennyy-class DDGs

140 Neustrashimiy-class FF

125 Berezina-class AORs
100 Boris Chilikin AOs
100 Ugra-class Submarine Support ships

Patrol units

160 Kilo-class SS
124 Juliett-II-class SSG

115 Krivak-III-class FFH
120 Nanuchka-III PCG
120 Grisha-V PCG
130 Project 1242.8 (Molniya) PCG

Amphibious Warfare Units

56 Ivan Rogov LSM
69 Ropucha LST
63 Aist ACV

Non-combat units

Special Duties Submarines

14 India-class AGSS
24 Bravo-class Padded Target submarines
22 Piryana-class Special Operations submarines
12 Delta-VI C3I Submarines (SSBNs with the missile bay replaced by a C3I centre.)
28 Poseidon DSRVs

Intelligence-Gathering Ships

70 Vishnya AGI
102 Okean AGI
32 Kapusta AGI (CC)
79 Moma AGI



Southern Fleet

Nuclear submarines

160 Akula-III SSNs
230 Sierra-III SSNs
175 Oscar-II SSGNs
30 Typhoon SSBNs

Surface Combatants

35 Hunter-class BBCNs
80 Frunze-class BBNs
50 Soyuz-class BBNs
20 Tempest-class BCNs
25 Admiral-class BCNs
18 Arrow-class BCCNs
17 Anubis-class BCGNs

25 Kiev-II CVHNs
20 Kuznetsov-II CVs
30 Ul'yanovsk-class carriers (called Orel-class)
40 Repulse-class BCVN

10 Kirov-class CGN
20 Slava-class CG
20 Kara-class CG
10 Boar-class CGN

140 Udaloy-II DDGs
150 Sovremennyy-class DDGs

140 Neustrashimiy-class FF

102 Berezina-class AORs
100 Boris Chilikin AOs
90 Ugra-class Submarine Support ships

Patrol units

160 Kilo-class SS
130 Juliett-II-class SSG

130 Krivak-III-class FFH
120 Nanuchka-III PCG
120 Grisha-V PCG
130 Project 1242.8 (Molniya) PCG

Amphibious Warfare Units

56 Ivan Rogov LSM
69 Ropucha LST
63 Aist ACV

Non-combat units

Special Duties Submarines

14 India-class AGSS
24 Bravo-class Padded Target submarines
22 Piryana-class Special Operations submarines
12 Delta-VI C3I Submarines (SSBNs with the missile bay replaced by a C3I centre.)
28 Poseidon DSRVs

Intelligence-Gathering Ships

70 Vishnya AGI
102 Okean AGI
32 Kapusta AGI (CC)
79 Moma AGI

Note the relatively small differences in fleet composition; it means that they're all pretty balanced forces, each able to do the work of the other.

Also, the reason it's relatively large and unwieldy is that 1) we're a lot of islands, 2) the shipbuilding is the primary source of our economy's strength and 3) the population is paranoid :D

Yeah, well the region is in the SOuth Atlantic - and so far, I've been neutral so you could have got your ships past. ANy way its not a massive change in direction. Still if its going to cause major problems, I can forget current placements and just RP otherwise.

Which fleet is attacking me, might I ask?

Mostly Western. At least, if my positioning's alright. Of course, a threat of this size would commit large portions of the whole Navy.

Incidentally, if this was Rl earth, we'd run out of sea... :D

Yeah lol...we would.

Well, as you can tell I have two navies. I also have another, called the "Protectors of Blue"...its about the same size as the second navy.

That one is an older navy.The second one is operating under the disguise as Phoria's navy, but it isn't.

So, expect lots of ships.

Thankfully this isn;t RL!

I thought I was still a long way from Witzgall, longer than I seem to be being thought to be anyway. I figured I was still a good 2,000 miles from the nearest point of Witzgallian territory.

Well, I had an airforce come to protect my navy as it sped towards yours, but they are now in an engagement with you (Check IC thread) and Val.

And I figure that I'm halfway between your forces and Witzgall - Wraith info coming:

Wraith Holographic System
Generation I - This system uses projection cameras situated around the vehicle to generate holographic images around the vehicle. This system can be used to generate images of other vehicles up to 1 km away from the host vehicle, and/or generate an image around the vehicle consistent with the surroundings to render it invisible to visual identification.
Generation II - This version of the system incorporates ammunition images, stored in the system. This allows the ghost vehicle to look like they're actually firing missiles/guns etc, and therefore to try and make enemy pilots to loose concentration from the number of missiles streaking towards him/her.

Hmm. Well in that case I don't see how your wraith system is going to have too much effect at a thousand miles' range... :confused:

Huh? Its just a way of making vehicles appear as if their not there - its not an offensive tech or anything, so why would I be using it over a thousand miles?

Exactly my question. As I've said, I was under the impression that my units were approaching (very slowly) towards Witzgall. The disguised units were about 800 miles from Witzgall, and the main fleet about 1,600-1,700 miles from Witzgall, proceeding originally on course ~250 @ ~14 knots, then ~200 @ ~30 knots, and now ~080 @ ~35 knots. At no point, I thought were they within 500 miles of Witzgall itself. Aircraft were flying over them, but even they were launching cruise missiles at long range.

Secondly, while I'm here, how effective is this radar-defeating stuff? I'd just like to know, because I spent a lot upgrading my naval radars (ship- and aircraft-carried) to give them ranges of 400 or more miles and a very high anti-stealth capability.

I use Phoenixius' tech on my planes, as well....its a perk of being his ally :)

At the moment I figure that I'm 1000 miles from Witzgall. DPUO's fleet is another 200 miles further away from Witzgall. My fleet is slightly to the north of me, with Witzgalls to the south west of me. Verstummelung's ships/aircraft are slightly to the north of Witzgalls fleet. ie:


* DPUO-Fleet



* P-Fleet
* V-Fleet/aircraft
* Phoenixius


* W-Fleet

* Witzgall

with my planes all over the damned place. :p

Bugger, that didin't work - should be sort of on a diagonal.

Archangel stats:

Archangel Stealth System
Generation I – In this system, incoming radar beams are detected by various sensors around the vehicle. This information in sent to a computer that works out the location of the radar site, and sends back a counter signal that negates the reflected radar beam. The effectiveness of the system decreases as the number of radar sites increases.
Generation II – In addition to the system in the first generation, jamming capabilities have been added. This has three settings: Destruction, this is where the system overloads enemy radar systems and causes them to be destroyed; Swarm, this is where the system generates hundreds and thousands of images on the enemy radar, causing them to loose accuracy in foretelling enemy numbers, and attempting to single targets out for missile lock; Misdirection, this is where the system co-ordinates with the onboard Wraith system (if detected) so that each vehicle generated by the Wraith system, also has a radar signature generated by the Archangel system.
Generation III - In the wake of new radar systems that use self cancelling radar waves to detect the presence of newer generation active stealth systems, the Archangel system was redesigned to incorporate wave projection into it, allowing it to compare the incoming signals against atmospheric conditions to decide the right waves to return.
Gnereation IV - More of an update than a true evolution, the G-IV incorporates a sound deading system that sends out sound waves that are in anti-phase to the sound created by the vehicle. Though the system is unlikely to totally eliminate te sound created, it will reduce it by a significant amount, allowing audio confirmation by the enemy to be ignored.

Right; that approximately matches what I thought, apart from I thought I was further away. Anyone got a map?

Well we do have a regional map: http://www.freewebs.com/newcommonwealth/regionalmap.htm

However unless you have broadband, I wouldn't even bother - ita takes a few minutes to load on broadband - its a 4000x4000 pixel picture and Witzgall is on the bottom left.

Damn...theres that map! I couldnt find it on the regional forum...

*bookmarks* :)

Hmm, the link to the regional website is i nthe links thread in the Genera lDiscussion section - plus its on the Regional Map thread.

I couldn't find it for the longest time...

only took me 15 seconds though (GO ME!!), but I have broadband....dialup would be hell most likely...

Ta. And w00t for ADSL!

w00t.

I'm all the way in the bottom left corner...really, I take up that corner :)

Yeah makes it much easier to determine where everone is - Preatonia, Truitt and tenariu are on there too.

Gah! All my old bearings and things now make no sense! Oh well.

Sure they do. To the north of me is all sea...you could have come from due north, then turned and reversed to ENE. Not that hard, happens alot.

And Meh. Who cares? It's an RP...doesnt have to be exact :(

Well I hadn't realised I was quite so far northwards. Oh well just say you came from the north, rather than the NE. Looking at the map, you'd be to the north of the mainland - my fleet is coming up to halfway between Phoenixius and Preatonia, and Witzgalls fleet is nearing Xi Island.

On a COMPLETELY different note...whats your guys opinion of the RP so far?

I think its going very nicely...full of twists and wierd things happening...

OK, that'll do nicely.

I've got to go now - walk the dog, empty dihswasher, then work - its 10:20am here, so I'll be back around 5:30pm - you lot will probabaly be asleep by then or something anyway.

I have to go and stuff (it's nearing 930 here...still havent done homework and such)...so I'm going to go.

We can continue tomorrow, but I will only be on till 6ish...saturday I may be on but I dont honestly know, and sunday I will be on.

I've got to go now - walk the dog, empty dihswasher, then work - its 10:20am here, so I'll be back around 5:30pm - you lot will probabaly be asleep by then or something anyway.

Heh, I'll be in school most likely :p

The death of the three Senators on the sub is allowing the Senate to run away with the power of my country (with a 2/3 majority being Centrist). Very interesting plot twist. First the sub, then the Senate taking control. The next thing could drive Nanakaland over the edge.

Blarg! Now I'm not confused, that helps. Now, as for this jamming tech stuff.

The radars I have use lots of techniques to bypass jamming suites - multiple transmission frequencies, intregration with other sensors (LADAR, ImIR, SONAR etc) and various more standard mixes such as beam-sharpening, plus variable transmission characteristics (e.g. in terms of wavelength, power, duration, range etc.) If you're being illuminated by the ASP-101 and you have the system you have, I'd still reckon it would go "bleep!" at about 100 miles or so, maybe. Possibly. Sort of. *Desperately tries to balance feasibility with fictional nature of stuff*

Now that in itself isn't of particular note at the moment, since neither side's really within range for doing much of anything.

Another thing: does the Wraith system affect other things or is it just the ol' Eyeball Type 1 that gets screwed up by it?

The Wraith system just affects visual stuff - think of it as someone putting on different clothes - their still there, but they look different. In this case, the aircraft/ships take on the 'clothes' of the surroundings. Obviously there is going to be some discrepancies depending on where you viewpoint is, but it should definately make you think twice as to whether soemthing is there.

As for the Archangel - I've got to look into all this other radar stuff and make it effective against more and more radar types. Again nothing is perfect, but it will certainly make your radar opperators think twice before calling wolf.

Personally, I haven't really had much of this tech actually operative in a war with major players who know their tech, and what I know is gleaned from Physics lessons and various websites I've perused, so any hints/critism on any tech system that are active, will be taken on board.

Well, the Wraith system is feasible, I've done one like that before and many people said it was fine, mainly due to the fact that the US is experimenting with "Smart Paint", which will bend light and such to make a item invisble...

As for radar, it would show up on them (from what I read), but your pilots may be confused and think its just a "dummy" because they can't see it.

Ratheian Su-47 stats:

Crew: Single crew. AI unit.

Power Plant
Two modified augmented turbofans rated at 70,000 lb's thrust each.
Thrust-Vectoring Nozzles.
FSW Wings.

Weight
Maximum take-off weight: 78,000 lb
Basic take-off weight: 50,000 lb
Max. internal fuel: 10,000 lb (controlled system akin to MIG-25 and 31)

Dimensions
Length: 72.3 Ft.
Height: 19 ft.
Wingspan: 74.4 Ft.

Additional Info
Maximum speed at max. altitude: Mach 3.86
Maximum speed at sea level: Mach 1.25
Average Cruise Speed: Mach 1.69
Max. Ceiling: 80,000 Ft.
Service ceiling: 60,000 Ft.
Maximum limit load factor: 14g+ (dangerous as hell)
Max. Range: 2,000 nm
Fuel: T-06

Construction Info
50% Titanium
29% Aluminum
31% Nickel-Steel

Two modified augmented turbofans rated at 89,700 lb's thrust each...?

Is that dry, or full augmentation?

Another question...

In your IC post, you say "M4" so Mach 4...but this Su-47 of yours doesnt hit Mach 4.

Two modified augmented turbofans rated at 89,700 lb's thrust each...?

Is that dry, or full augmentation?

You mean military thrust?

Another question...

In your IC post, you say "M4" so Mach 4...but this Su-47 of yours doesnt hit Mach 4.

I'll need to clarify this.

The give max. speed is the one it can maintain without fear of deterioration of aircraft. It can go on short bursts of Mach 4-4.5 but for no longer than 10 minutes.

Also, what is the engine composed of (nickel, steel, titanium)?

And what type of titanium? The Russian Alloy?

You mean military thrust?

No. Dry as in without afterburning and such, and Full Augmentation as in the limit...basically full augmentation means the limit.

However, only certain types of metals can handle this, and even then they might fry up.

No. Dry as in without afterburning and such, and Full Augmentation as in the limit...basically full augmentation means the limit.

However, only certain types of metals can handle this, and even then they might fry up.

Ah, now I remember.

Dry Thrust: 32,000 lb
Full Augmentation: 71,000 lb

Engine construction is composed of titanium alloy.

It is similar to that used on the MIG-25 and 31 but with a higher percenatge of the cherished titanium and composite materials.

Is it a fighter, interceptor, or bomber? Or something else?

Seeing how its pretty large and heavy...it's kind of odd that you have it going so fast.

Well at the moment, that Damn Numen is killing my aircraft like they were nothing (which they are.)

Recently, I took a large formation of over 100 Carrier versions of the F-117 Nighthawk. I ambushed his fleet, and caused some damage. But his Numen's came and wiped them out.

So I stayed up all night I made a counter aircraft to this bird.

Model Number/Name:
VF-01 Vulture

Propulsion:
2 Malin and Herlin V126 turbofan engines, or2 Marshal Electronics VF129 turbofan engines

Speed: Mach 3.8

Range: 865-920 miles (750-800 nautical miles) unrefuelled.

Armament
8 x AIM-120 AMRAAM Slammer(stored in weapons bay)
1 x 20mm Gatling (300 rounds.)

Crew: One

Unit Cost: 11.2 Million

Mission: Count air to air threats, most notably the Witzgall Numen Fighter

Length: 68 feet, 5.2 inches

Wing span: 43.2 feet, 9.2 inches

Height: 13 feet, 11 inches

Features:
Stealth: Greatly increases survivability and lethality by denying the enemy critical information required to successfully attack the VF-01 Vulture.

Integrated Avionics: Allows VF-01 Vulture pilots unprecedented awareness of enemy forces through the fusion of on- and off-board information.

Supercruise: Enhances weapons effectiveness; allows rapid transit through the battlespace; reduces the enemy’s time to counter attack.

Thrust Vectoring, allows the engine thrust to be directed into several diffrent streams, allowing the aircraft to preform extream manuverable feats in combat.

AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures
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May not be the most detailed, but keep in mind this is my first design for an aircraft. Hopefully it might turn the tide in this air way, before Witzgall brings out another aircraft.

Alright, I could not get the URL to the Aura or Ghost or any other of my weapons becouse of this redirecting thing on the storefront, so here are some instructions to see everything I am using.

Go to www.Newcomregion.tk

Scroll down till you see Truitti StoreFront. Go in, and everything is there you need.

Also, the Aura's infosheet is very inaccurate in gun sizes (I was tired and didn't relize what I was doing) and the Ghost's infosheet is not there (but it is a more aircraft support/transport variant, a lot smaller too) )

Ratheian Su-47 stats:

1*Crew: Single crew. AI unit.

Power Plant
Two modified augmented turbofans rated at 2* 89,700 lb's thrust each.
Thrust-Vectoring Nozzles.
3*FSW Wings.

Weight
Maximum take-off weight: 81,000 lb
Basic take-off weight: 50,000 lb
Max. internal fuel: 15,000 lb (controlled system akin to MIG-25 and 31)

4*Dimensions
Length: 75 Ft.
Height: 20 ft.
Wingspan: 75 Ft.

Additional Info
5*Maximum speed at max. altitude: Mach 3.86
5*Maximum speed at sea level: Mach 1.25
6*Max. Ceiling: 95,000 Ft.
Service ceiling: 60,000 Ft.
6*Maximum limit load factor: 14g+ (dangerous as hell)
5*Max. Range: 2,000 nm
7*Fuel: T-06

8*Construction Info
50% Titanium
31% Aluminum
29% Nickel-Steel

(I modified your post a bit to see what I am talking about)

1*
What does this mean? Is it only AI, or is it both AI or Pilot, interchangable?

2*
Turbofans generally can not succeed 30,000lb of thrust unless you are using a pretty powerful afterburnner (maybe an all-time blade injection) or you did not double check this. Ramjets can barely pull that force. Also to your "dry thrust," that still is pretty high. Your alloy for the engine would need to be very much heat-resestant also, this just does not add up to me in the least bit. Of cource if it was a ramjet or scram jet It would make perfect sense.

3*
I hope to God you have canards or odd-point trailling edges.

4*
This thing is huge, read 7* for my main complaint.

5*
This goes back to my engine question, answer that before I can fease this.

6*
This thing is too big for that manuverability and as to the altitude, how could a turbofan, let alone a ramjet (for sake of whatever is left on earth), take in air from earth's orbit? I belive earth's atmosphere starts to end around 85,000ft, and if I am mistaken, please forgive me.

7*
Alright, this thing is huge. And when I say huge, I mean near one of the largest fighters (presumming fighter or fleet protectorate) ever created. Its manuverability, speed, and stresses would be that of an F-16 (saying two engines instead of one and this being in full swept possition durring the speed and cruise) times -3, litterally. The fuel would have to be powerful too, and pretty compact and small in molicule size becouse of the amount you are trying to pound into this (although the size could support it).

8*
I'm just going to leave this alone.

I'm going to be bringing in my PX-108 fighters - I need to seriously re-draft my mlitary as the Gencor's are the first aircraft I designed. I won't change them for this battle, so current numbers are going to stay the same, however I will be brining in my new aircraft - help to RP my navy's composition change. I will be bringing out regional versions of some of my vehicles that will be more powerful versions. However at the moment, I'll just be using the 'regular' version:

PX-108 'Anubis' fighter
http://img21.exs.cx/img21/7185/ModFight2.jpg
With various advances in technology by Phoenixius, MierTech thought it necessary to go ahead and build a prototype fighter that utilises all these various technologies. This project would also act as a conduit for these technologies to be implemented into production fighters.

Utilising the mission adaptive aileron technology, a swing-wing design was put forward, using the electronic muscles to swing the wing back an forth through 45º. This will allow the Anubis to use the forward swept wing to good effect in slow moving dog fights, and then sweep back for increased speed.

There is no need for a rudder, as 3D thrust vectoring takes the job, as well as allowing for VTOL abilities. Internal weapon bays can hold 6 missiles, while 2 more may be carried externally – this is to keep the stealth characteristic of the aircraft relatively intact. The onboard computer can control the VTOL engines and the MAA wings to give the best performance all the time. The cannards are also controlled y the MAA technology, allowing the aircraft to have the best shape for the current time. This means that as the Anubis changes speeds and direction, it changes almost organically, creating something that is amazing to watch.

Control for 2 UAV’s is also possible, done through giving basic orders, which the computers then elaborate on. The power generated by the engines allows the aircraft to climb almost vertically, all the way up to its celing.

Designed by: Phoenixius
Function: AVTOL aircraft
Crew: 1
Length: 16m
Height: 5m
Wingspan: 12m
Empty Weight: 23,000 lb
Armament Weight: 16,000 lb
Internal Fuel: 20,000 lb
Ceiling: 80,000 ft.
Max Speed (PDWE): Mach 3.6
Max Speed: Mach 2.9
Suprcruise: Mach 2.5
Range: 2,000 miles
Armament:
2x MTG-03
8x MTM-01
1x Turreted MTG-03
Combat systems:
Archangel G-III
3D thrust engine
PHBVS G-III
PDCM G-II
PMAS G-II
CACS G-IV
MAA
EMPPS
Deity
Wraith G-II

Would it be alright if I have my navy attack Witzgall's fleet off of Verstummelung? Large amounts of ships would be used.

Alright, I modified some of the aircraft stats.

Honestly, I may not be alone here...but it seems Truitty, Witz and Phoenix are coming up with some things that not any of us have heard of.

I'd like to know where any of this is being researched, or how it even exists in this modern day. And every country needs a resorch limit, because its just getting to a point where the opposing side cannot win.

I'm not trying to whine, but it takes all the fun out of the RP when you can't do jack but sit and watch while someone deploys weapons that would take atleast decades to research and this is only 2010. And countermeasures that cannont be bypassed, and if they can it makes no diffrence. If you can't win, or don't have the chance then theres no point in playing, be responable guys.

I mean come now, you guys have more planes, more troops, and more guns than 10 United State's militarys, its off the wall.

Honestly, I may not be alone here...but it seems Truitty, Witz and Phoenix are coming up with some things that not any of us have heard of.

I'd like to know where any of this is being researched, or how it even exists in this modern day. And every country needs a resorch limit, because its just getting to a point where the opposing side cannot win.

I'm not trying to whine, but it takes all the fun out of the RP when you can't do jack but sit and watch while someone deploys weapons that would take atleast decades to research and this is only 2010. And countermeasures that cannont be bypassed, and if they can it makes no diffrence. If you can't win, or don't have the chance then theres no point in playing, be responable guys.

I mean come now, you guys have more planes, more troops, and more guns than 10 United State's militarys, its off the wall.

And they won't let me use my plasma-generator...lol

But really. I think V. has a point. Your tech is starting to breach modern tech and leap into future.

And they won't let me use my plasma-generator...lol

But really. I think V. has a point. Your tech is starting to breach modern tech and leap into future.

It already has.....the most modern missile to date can't even do jack shit against their stuff. No matter what we do or build, they already have something built that makes it worthless. Honestly, it went from a fun type of storming the beaches to massive bombers and clouds of smoke that can do anything anytime. This isn't even fun playing anymore.....

It already has.....the most modern missile to date can't even do jack shit against their stuff. No matter what we do or build, they already have something built that makes it worthless. Honestly, it went from a fun type of storming the beaches to massive bombers and clouds of smoke that can do anything anytime. This isn't even fun playing anymore.....

To hell with it then. It's lost the fun of being an rp.

I'm out, forget I even joined.

Heres what I have a problem with.

-Holographic technology
-Clouds of dust that can confuse a missile into think its a plane
-Massive aircraft carriers that fly and drop troops and tanks.
-Submarines that can launch larger submarines.
-Unlimited funds, and resorces.

Honestly, as it stands it seems like Modern Tech is worthless. You put an F-22 or an F-35 up against a Numen or a Anubis and you get slaughter, the best stuff in the U.S. military can't do jack shit to them, you guys are boardering future tech, and its getting out of hand when none of us can't even put up a god damn fight.

To hell with it then. It's lost the fun of being an rp.

I'm out, forget I even joined.

I second that, this has lost it's fun.

I'm out, forget I even joined.

-Clouds of dust that can confuse a missile into think its a plane

That is the only currently viable thing.

Tungsten darts confuse radar into thinking there are multiple targets.

I'm sorry if its caused any problems - I try to keep myself at MT stuff. For the holographic stuff, have you seen some of the current stuff? Most of it has been around for 10 years or so, and it doesn't look like there has been much research into it - I just developed what I thought would be possible using todays technology, and if it was actually researched continously. The next three things are to do with the other people, and as for unlimited funds and resources, where have we said anything like that? If its because of the large navies etc, I have a $10tril military budget plus a frightning economy, so I should be able to have such a large military. As I've already stated that pretty much my entire navy going out there.

AS for where its all researched, I had a period where I was out of NS for about a month or so - I should like to think that 28 years is plenty to do some research. Granted, some of the technology may look a little futuristic, but the Archangel system has pretty much all of it recognised by others as they use various parts of it in their own stealth systems. The countermeasures are fine - considering that currently they are good, in about 4 years time they are going to be better. Effectively your using missiles that are 4 years behind my countermeasures (I consider 2008 the end of Modern Tech)

If you think our navies are large, look at DPUO's - his are about three times the size of mine or Witzgall's, but your not complaining about his numbers.

If you brought out some of your reservations before just quitting, I would definately RPed to give you a chance - remember this is the first time I've RPed with the Anubis fighter and I welcome any critism towards the aircraft.



Alternatively you could go any buy stuff from someone that would be able to compete, or design something yourself - the Anubis fighter is my latest and best fighter, so I'm not bringing in any more 'uber' fighters for you lot to complain about.

Gents, please calm the smeg down, will you?

Vers and Ratheia: Yes, some of the techs under use here are perhaps a little more advanced than the timeframe we were thinking in terms of. Nonetheless, that's no reason to lose your rag/s and depart from the RP, complaining as you do so. If you'd mentioned the grievances, I feel certain something could have been worked out. Also, think about it: nothing is ever undefeatable; I've been thinking out a way around Phoenixus' radar jamming tech already, for example. Basically, if you have issues with the techs, stay and help them be resolved. No sense in walking out when the prob could be solved, as Phoenixus said.

Phoenixus: Yep, the Navy's very very very large, and the reason for it is that the shipyards are my main source of employment, and thus it pays to keep them building ships. Also note that most of it is kept in reserve, and it's only the war situation that has caused it to mobilise; finally, a lot of those vessels were due for decommissioning anyway. Nonetheless, I confess it is rather on the big side (I hadn't updated it for some time, so I had to make a rough calculation of how much it could have enlarged in a certain time), so if anyone has any probs I'll alter the size down somewhat. No sense in causing trouble.