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This RP will be exactly like World War II in real life, except for one critical difference! On this other earth, technology has progressed much more swiftly in the area of rocetry and space flight. All other technology will be the same (i.e. everything used in the real World War II). However, there will be orbital platforms, small fighters, large cruisers, etc that will also do battle in space (almost like their seaborne counterparts of aircraft carriers, battleships, planes, etc.). Weapons used in the space part will be limited to "contemperary" weapons such as machine guns, rockets, and missiles (possibly with nuclear tips, after they've been invented?). No energy weapons or magnetic accelerator cannons here: just the norm. The orbital installations will have a limited artifical gravity capability (they will roate) but not the fighters, or the big cruisers/ships. Also note, the rest of the war doesn't have to proceed like it did in real life: the causes/reasons/battles/whatever can be entirely different then they were in real life.
If anyone is interested, post in this thread, and more details will be provided for those interested (if any).

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May I play France? And no, I am not being sarcastic.

EDIT: Oh, nevermind, I misread that. Well, it depends on when this will start. After the Dominion-Socialist Conflict, sure.

Ill join in. One of my friends is at war with an old rival atm so i might as well have a little fun of my own.

Ok then, good to have you here. We (possibly) got an Allied Power, then...Orsirus, what do you want to be? I had planned on being the United States, but if you want to be an Ally, I could try being an Axis power. This PR will start in 1939, but how the war begins is up to us...it doesn't have to follow history, and that counts for events leading up to the war too. As soon as I know what countries you'll both play as, I can post stats for the space fleet, as well as army/navy/air force info for each country, and any other info you want (post questions if you have any with your country choices...it should make things move more smoothly, so this can get started sooner).

Ah, so if we do pick a WWII era country, I'm France.

Seeing as the REAL events may not me reflected here, I'll take Germany.

However, instead of the nazis and Hitlers "perfect race" the reason for my nation will be just an abnormal lust for resources. uh.... and the British chics :P

And the reason here of course is: German Occupation. Though we will be a bit different from RL France (and personally, I think France did the right thingin the long run, because there was no way they could win, and they prevented many many casualties) in that we won't exactly "surrender." And anyway, in space there are no boundries.

So, it stands: 2 Allies (France and USA), and 1 Axis (The Third Reich aka Germany). We'll need to think of a cause for the war (or Germany can just RP it). Now, as for equpiment...

In 1939, Germany's got the Panzer I and II (III's still in development). Its soldiers are armed with K-98 Mausers (bolt action, 10 shot clip), MP-40s (very good SMGs), MG-42's (the best MG at that time), Gewehr 43's (the best sniper rifle at that time) and stielgranaten (sitck granades). Their main fighting aircraft are Bf-109's, and Focke-Wulfs (with Dorniers as bombers). They have a heavy reliance on battleships (you have probably heard of the Bismarck or Graf Spee), and no aircraft carriers. Plus, let's not forget the U-Boats!

In 1939, France has...well, I'm not sure about small arms, but I do know that they had no tanks of their own in the real World War II, so you can design their own for this war, or you can use British ones. For aircraft, they had several fighter/bomber types (more on this later). For navy, they had some battleships, but mostly smaller cruisers. Sorry about the sketchyness of this...I'll get more later.

In 1939, Britain has Matildas, and Mark II Crusaders. Soldiers are armed with Lee-Enfield bolt action rifles (10 shot clip) primarily, but a lot of their small arms was US made. Their main aircraft are Hawker Hurricanes, and Avro Lancasters (the earliest ones). They have a good mix of navy craft; no over reliance on any one type (after all, doesn't Britannia rule the waves?).

The space tech is the same for all, currently (although that could change fast):
Everyone has several orbital installations, with rockets/missiles for ground bombardment (which works only about 70/30 because sometimes the missiles burn up in the atmosphere), and AA guns. Also, the installations can launch little space fighters, "hot rods", armed with machine guns, and 2 missiles or rockets. There are also slightly bigger "space battleships" designed for anti-platform warfare. The orbital platforms spin for 0.5 g of gravity.

This is the preliminary information. Any other questions?

Lets say that France was the one of the first countries occupied by Germany. Thus, we have access to some of their technology via espionage later in the war. Most of our tanks will be from Britain, but our Air Force will be where we shine on Earth.

The two orbital stations owned by the French is the Voltaire and Charlemange. The main space battleship is feared even by the Germans, called Le Bonaparte, piloted by the infamous Admiral Jacques le Salaud [Jack the Bastard].

Can I have the British Empire please.

Britain, one of the larger powers, has 2 installations, named the Victoria, and the Chamberlain. It has two main space battleships, the Wellington and the Nelson. Each has a complement of squadrons of "hot rods" (10 ships each), as well as an armourment of 8 AS (anti spacecraft) guns and 6 anti-ship/anti-station rocket/missile launchers (no nuclear tips yet...maybe soon, though...). Crew compliment per installation is 150, and per space battlship is 330. Their top velocity is roughly 5,000 kilometres per hour (big and lumbering, even in space, eh?), and they use chemical engines (no ion/plasma drives yet). More on this later.

Well, I was going to be Britain, but if you want the country, take what I have. I've got the US, then.

All sounds good. ill try to get more players in. Great now i can crush Ghandi!

Here are stats for my new country, the United States of America. In 1939, its tank force consists of Shermans, its small arms are the M1 Garand (8 shot, semi-auto rifle), the Mark II grenade, the Thompson SMG, the Colt .45 and the Springfield '03 (a 5 shot clip, bolt action sniper rifle). Main aricraft are the P-39s, and the P-40's (they have Boeing working on an intruiging heavy bomber project called the "Flying Fortress), and they use B-25's for bombing, and SBD Devastator torpedo planes. They have 5 mighty aircraft carriers, and many battleships, PT Boats, etc. (a very large navy in this history). For space, they have 2 installations , the George Washington and the Thomas Jefferson, and have 2 space battlships, (named like their carrier counterparts) the Enterprise and the Yorktown. Each has 27 "hot rods" (3 full squadrons), 10 AS guns, and 10 anti-station/anti-ship tocket/missile launchers (once again, no nukes yet). Installation complement, 120, space battleship complement, 380. Chemical engines are used on the hot rods and space battleships, although the Americans have started work on ion drives. The battleships also have a new feature: bulkheads that automatically close if their is a pressure loss (i.e. hull breach) so that the ship doesn't decompress, and more don't die. The ships, for power, use nuclear (fission) reactors, although (quite stupidly) no one (in any country) has thought of using that power for weaponry...however, that may change, very soon...

Also, for the purposes of this RP, your RPG country must be 1939 tech (with the modifiers for space) like it was in real life. (Your NS country can be what it is, but your RP country has to be 1939 modified tech).

Can I be in it. In since no one has mentioned it yet could I be the USSR.

Sure, no problem. We need all the countries we can get. Do you need stats on 1939 Russia and its space fleet, or are you set for now?

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In since im a little lazy bum, Sure you can give me the stats I dont really have much time surfing the net I really wouldnt know where to get them.Are their planes or Just Spaceships??

Actually, you'll need stats for everything...aircraft, spacecraft, tanks, guns, navy, etc. Give me a couple hours to get all the stats for the USSR stuff, and you'll be ready to go (either against or for the Third Reich this time!).

Can i Join? i'll be Poland if possible?

The French used the Lebel rifle and had some of the best tanks in the world most of the French tanks(Char B1, Renault R35) were superior or on parity with the Germans.

It was tactics that won the day for the Germans.

(either against or for the Third Reich this time!).
Fascism doesn't go well with communism.

The French used the Lebel rifle and had some of the best tanks in the world most of the French tanks(Char B1, Renault R35) were superior or on parity with the Germans.

It was tactics that won the day for the Germans.
Well, Admiral Clay [Jacques le Salaud] is a naval genius and very well versed in space tactics. We may have a good chance in that case. And we won't surrender too quickly, because they may occupy our land, but they do not control space.

I'll be Italy if thats allowed, although in this "Alternate Scenario" It'll be more independant and not so much a German Puppet, and I will Need the stats for all the stuff...

I'll be Japan. I don't know much about their military toys from those years, so I'll do some research. My forces will include at least:
- manned V1 rockets
- some submarines of German origin (the best there are)
- Type 89 tank: a rip off of the English Vickers tank. Not very good, but can be produced in large numbers.
- Type 97 tank: many variants available, including tank killer (available later). Inferior to most other tanks.

I'd like to play as Spain. If you could obtain some stats, that would be great. Thanks.

Sure- glad to have you all along: the more, the merrier!

Now, back to the USSR...first off, www.battlefield.ru has tons of info on Soviet tanks and artillery. For small arms, see http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/6498/t2000ww2sovietsmallarms.html (very much info there!). For aircraft, see http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/weapons.html (once again, very informative). For navy, sadly, I couldn't find anything at all...feel free to desgin some stuff. Lastly, for space force...you can have up to two orbital installations, two space battleships, and a reasonable amount of hot rods (little space fighter ships). (This limit can't be exceeded yet, because it remains to see who starts to come out on top). Space weaponry consists of machine guns, rockets, and guided missiles (for each country); there are no nukes yet (also for each country). Chemical engines only, and only the space stations can spin for 0.5 g of gravity.

As for Poland, I really couldn't find any 1939 armed forces data. Good luck making stuff up...or you could ask someone else for any info. Space fleet info is above.

Italy...for aircraft, go to http://www.members.tripod.com/chip2500/id20.htm. For tanks, go to http://www.pmulcahy.com/tanks/italian_tanks.html. Small arms is...well, is not to be found. I could find no information. Once, again, I couldn't find any naval information (though there's plenty of that for Japan, Britain, US and Germany). For your space fleet, see above.

Spain...at first glance, I couldn't find much on 1939 era military for your country. I will do a more comprehensive search tomorrow for the information. Your space fleet info is above, however.

Ok...that's all the info I could scrounge. Anything else before we start?

So, it stands: 2 Allies (France and USA), and 1 Axis (The Third Reich aka Germany). We'll need to think of a cause for the war (or Germany can just RP it). Now, as for equpiment...

In 1939, Germany's got the Panzer I and II (III's still in development). Its soldiers are armed with K-98 Mausers (bolt action, 10 shot clip), MP-40s (very good SMGs), MG-42's (the best MG at that time), Gewehr 43's (the best sniper rifle at that time) and stielgranaten (sitck granades). Their main fighting aircraft are Bf-109's, and Focke-Wulfs (with Dorniers as bombers). They have a heavy reliance on battleships (you have probably heard of the Bismarck or Graf Spee), and no aircraft carriers. Plus, let's not forget the U-Boats!

In 1939, France has...well, I'm not sure about small arms, but I do know that they had no tanks of their own in the real World War II, so you can design their own for this war, or you can use British ones. For aircraft, they had several fighter/bomber types (more on this later). For navy, they had some battleships, but mostly smaller cruisers. Sorry about the sketchyness of this...I'll get more later.

In 1939, Britain has Matildas, and Mark II Crusaders. Soldiers are armed with Lee-Enfield bolt action rifles (10 shot clip) primarily, but a lot of their small arms was US made. Their main aircraft are Hawker Hurricanes, and Avro Lancasters (the earliest ones). They have a good mix of navy craft; no over reliance on any one type (after all, doesn't Britannia rule the waves?).

The space tech is the same for all, currently (although that could change fast):
Everyone has several orbital installations, with rockets/missiles for ground bombardment (which works only about 70/30 because sometimes the missiles burn up in the atmosphere), and AA guns. Also, the installations can launch little space fighters, "hot rods", armed with machine guns, and 2 missiles or rockets. There are also slightly bigger "space battleships" designed for anti-platform warfare. The orbital platforms spin for 0.5 g of gravity.

This is the preliminary information. Any other questions?

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You've got a few dates wrong.

The Lancaster's first operation wasn't until 1942. In 1939 the main RAF bombers were the Vickers Wellington and the Handley page Hampden. The Short Stirling and Handley Page Halifax were first used in 1941.

The Fw 190 wasn't used until late 1940. In 1939 the only single engined fighter of note was the Bf109.

However I mainly question the whole basis of the RP.

To develop a space capability you need to have solved a great many engineering problems, many of which bear directly on the technology available for aircraft as well, as well as guided missiles.

I can't see the sense in trying to mix and match the Bf109, Spitfire and Hurricane if their host nations can get into space.

I just simply felt that it would be fun trying to play an RPG that was WWII tech mixed with space. I've written several stories on the subject (and some more general AH), and thought it would be fun to make it a game. I didn't really care about making this accurate, becuase it's a history that never happened in real life (that's why I didn't bother with the real dates, because they don't apply here). I assumed that making alterations to history as I saw fit was ok. If you really want this changed, I will take suggestions.

Hmm, i dont really care how accurate this is. I mean, its suppose to be an ALTERNATE history of WWII. Who knows how the tech was discovered, well... i suppose the Germans were messing around with rockets for ages and there isnt much of a reason why british spies didnt steal some tech designs. The british could have released the tech to its allies. I'm not to worried how the techs there, and if you have a better idea how it could have been discovered then im sure we're all open to suggestions but I think having space vehicles and stations adds that extra piece of tactics and awkwardness of this war. I think its gonna be interesting.

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OK, here's my suggestion

One way it would work is if the space hardware isn't human at all, but alien.

Suppose an alien race attempts to take over the Earth in the early 1930s , but a la The War of the Worlds ends up succumbing to an Earthly disease.

Since this is a global invasion almost every country ends up with an assortment of fully working alien hardware which they can't yet reproduce because it uses technology like high density integrated circuits and the like.

However they learn to operate it by trial and error, so now the opposing sides have access to a strictly limited number of flying saucers, alien walking machine tanks and so on.

The flying saucers are the alien equivalents of orbital shuttles, so they can't go interstellar.

The interstellar device is a huge alien mothership which people suspect must be out there somewhere but no-one knows precisely where. The aliens were pretty dumb, in fact I suspect they took over the technology from someone else, because they didn't leave a crew with the mothership.

By the end of the 30's Nazi Germany feels confident enough to start expanding.

Mostly it has to use home designed technology as the alien devices are still too strange to reverse engineer.

However there's this guy named Werner Von Braun who has a secret team looking at ways to incorporate alien technology into home designed equipment. Of course there are similar American, British and Soviet teams.

The other big German advantage is that the alien technology showed everyone radar, so it's not a British secret at the beginning of the war. While the alien space drives and weapons still aren't reproducible, home grown radar is , albeit crudely.

Imperial Japan didn't receive an alien invasion for some reason, but it acquired some technology capured during the Sino-Japanese war of 1937. So it's a few years behind the other players in the rush to reverse engineer. Which gives it an incentive to ally with the Germans earlier than 1941, and an incentive to bring America in right from the start.

Finally the alien spacecraft use advanced fusion reactors, not fission. This gives the tech teams some clues, but everyone has to develop the nuke from scratch just like in RL.

I can see the possibility of some small space stations hauled into orbit by flying saucer, but I don't see them rotating yet. That would divert too many resources from the arms race.

Can i play Sweden?

(During WW2, German warships were ordered NOT to engagr swedish warships unless the german ship vas of battlecruiser/pocket battleship.
The reason was that swedish warships were simply perfekt for operations in the Balitc Sea)

Germanies two space stations are the Schlachtstation Wessfallen and the Schlacht-Stern-Hammer. Everything else will be as per WWII.

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OK, here's my suggestion

One way it would work is if the space hardware isn't human at all, but alien.

Suppose an alien race attempts to take over the Earth in the early 1930s , but a la The War of the Worlds ends up succumbing to an Earthly disease.

Since this is a global invasion almost every country ends up with an assortment of fully working alien hardware which they can't yet reproduce because it uses technology like high density integrated circuits and the like.

However they learn to operate it by trial and error, so now the opposing sides have access to a strictly limited number of flying saucers, alien walking machine tanks and so on.

The flying saucers are the alien equivalents of orbital shuttles, so they can't go interstellar.

The interstellar device is a huge alien mothership which people suspect must be out there somewhere but no-one knows precisely where. The aliens were pretty dumb, in fact I suspect they took over the technology from someone else, because they didn't leave a crew with the mothership.

By the end of the 30's Nazi Germany feels confident enough to start expanding.

Mostly it has to use home designed technology as the alien devices are still too strange to reverse engineer.

However there's this guy named Werner Von Braun who has a secret team looking at ways to incorporate alien technology into home designed equipment. Of course there are similar American, British and Soviet teams.

The other big German advantage is that the alien technology showed everyone radar, so it's not a British secret at the beginning of the war. While the alien space drives and weapons still aren't reproducible, home grown radar is , albeit crudely.

Imperial Japan didn't receive an alien invasion for some reason, but it acquired some technology capured during the Sino-Japanese war of 1937. So it's a few years behind the other players in the rush to reverse engineer. Which gives it an incentive to ally with the Germans earlier than 1941, and an incentive to bring America in right from the start.

Finally the alien spacecraft use advanced fusion reactors, not fission. This gives the tech teams some clues, but everyone has to develop the nuke from scratch just like in RL.

I can see the possibility of some small space stations hauled into orbit by flying saucer, but I don't see them rotating yet. That would divert too many resources from the arms race.
I like it. Flying saucers, heat-ray firing walkers, possible chance of an interstellar mothership, practical explanation of how the technology came to WWII.

Im gonna have to look up the stats later today as im so busy with some work and school.

Hey, neat idea...one question though. I know that the hot rod space fighters could use non-nuclear power sources, but could the space battleships (of earth design) be powered by anything less than a nuclear reactor? I'm not exactly sure about that. However, I do like the idea of having alien and human technology together...bullets, missiles, and rockets and then some stuff like lasers...I am also curious...would the planes being used still be prop, or would this earth have moved on to jet planes with guided missiles by now (like late '50s era jets)? Also, since lasers (for the moment) are irreproduceable, that means that all space weapons will still be the bullets, missiles and rockets, correct? (We will see the 3rd Law in action here, I guess) Once again, before we start, anything else that needs to be addressed?

What are your tactical objectives in space? i mean, you aren't taking land or territory, nor could you possibly be taking any sort of natural resources, or facotries since they would only be rediculously more expensive and less efficient if built in space... so what are you fighting over in space?

What are your tactical objectives in space? i mean, you aren't taking land or territory, nor could you possibly be taking any sort of natural resources, or facotries since they would only be rediculously more expensive and less efficient if built in space... so what are you fighting over in space?
The stations. They have guns that can attack the surface of the world (if not entirely accurate), provide interesting technology, could be the launching place of the A_Bomb when it is developed, and because its so darn cool.

I would like to play Yugoslavia

Hey, neat idea...one question though. I know that the hot rod space fighters could use non-nuclear power sources, but could the space battleships (of earth design) be powered by anything less than a nuclear reactor? I'm not exactly sure about that. However, I do like the idea of having alien and human technology together...bullets, missiles, and rockets and then some stuff like lasers...I am also curious...would the planes being used still be prop, or would this earth have moved on to jet planes with guided missiles by now (like late '50s era jets)? Also, since lasers (for the moment) are irreproduceable, that means that all space weapons will still be the bullets, missiles and rockets, correct? (We will see the 3rd Law in action here, I guess) Once again, before we start, anything else that needs to be addressed?

I'm suggesting you drop the big human spacecraft entirely. I just don't see how they could develop anything independently capable of getting into orbit, and as rocket science is no further advanced than Goddard yet in 1939 there would be real problems in making the engines necessary to manoeuvre in orbit.

Eventually, yes but as I said before space travel needs a lot of progress in materials science and computational ability that just hadn't been developed yet. Remember the bulk of the technology used even to the present day owes a great deal to the V2.

So you have basically WW2 technology, with the alien spacecraft and tanks having human weapons grafted on because they run out of reloads for the plasma guns.

I think the existence of the alien technology might mean that Frank Whittle gets a better response from the Air Ministry than he did in real life, so British jet research could have started earlier but there still wouldn't be many jets by 1939. Prototypes perhaps but probably not in mass production yet.

Since RL American and Russian jet research all started with British technology, until the war gets established there won't be any technology sharing so it'll be Britain vs Germany in jets.

Eventually people work out how to produce the plasma gun ammunition, but I'd see it as being a copper or tungsten matrix in a plastic disc so it needs better than 1930's plastic technology as by then they only had bakelite.

There's obviously a lot of ammo in the alien mothership, but I wouldn't expect anyone to find that until after WWII concludes. Thus you can replace the space race to the Moon with one to find the alien mothership.

Can i play Sweden?

(During WW2, German warships were ordered NOT to engagr swedish warships unless the german ship vas of battlecruiser/pocket battleship.
The reason was that swedish warships were simply perfekt for operations in the Balitc Sea)

So you're not planning to make Sweden neutral? :-)

The real reason why the German navy avoided combat with Sweden - having them as neutral was far too convenient!

Good day earthlings.
The moles wish to join in this battle, but do we have to be from earth? we have space machines as well etc, and we could build a base on the moon or something so you can attack the moon. We would join either the axis or the allies, or even neither, hows that sound?

First, I see what you mean. I think we should just have the orbital installations and the hot rods, then, no space battleships. At least we could have humans of 1939 have technology capability for rudimentary RCS thrusters, right? That's all the stations and hot rods would need (especially the hot rods, because their machine gun recoils would push them backwards...they'd need the RCS thrusters so they wouldn't push themselves backwards). Also, don't forget, the hot rod pilots would being wearing space suits...they wouldn't have small life support systems for fighter type ships yet. Also, I weren't they working on plasma/ion engines around that time in RL? Perhaps the alien contact sped up that research, so a modified form of that could be used for the hot rods instead of chemicals...if it fit. Also, considering these aliens had advanced technology, wouldn't their tanks or whatever use hydrogen for fuel instead of petrol (I think it would make sense)? Also, space technology is not nessecarily only as far as Goddard was in RL...the alien contact could have stimulated progess in that area too, so I think small RCS thrusters could work and constant thrust drives could possibly work. Any more things to address?

Here is the tech im gonna use for the USSR

submachine guns
PPS-43

Rifles
Tokarev SVT40

Machine guns
PM M1910
DShK-38( poweful mounted MG)

Tanks ( light)
T-40
T-50
T-60

Tanks (medium)
- T-34-57
- T-34-85

Tanks ( Heavy)
KV-85
JS-1

Armored Cars/Trucks
"Komintern" (truck)
BA-2 (car)
BA-3 (car)

Propelledguns
ZIS-30
SU-761

Air Craft
I-16 Fighter
SB-2 bomber
Yak-7V (very Powerful Fighter)


As for space craft goes I will have the orbital installations with about 24 hotrods in them I'm not sure about how many Insallations (wasnt it 2)

well whew that was alot of work

i always regretted the fact that Israel wasn't established earlier.
if they had been they could have joined the Allies.
here's my chance to rectify it.
may I be Israel???
if not then any other Ally country.

The stats for my country (the USA) are listed on the first page...just subtract the space battleship stuff..all my hot rods (54, 27 per installation) will be on the stations.

Since this is not RL, we can have Israel as an ally.

Here's the total: Axis: 2 (Germany, Italy) Ally: 6 (France, USA, Britain, Israel, USSR, Sweden)

(sorry if I left out any nations!)

We might need some more Axis.

The stats for my country (the USA) are listed on the first page...just subtract the space battleship stuff..all my hot rods (54, 27 per installation) will be on the stations.

Since this is not RL, we can have Israel as an ally.

Here's the total: Axis: 2 (Germany, Italy) Ally: 6 (France, USA, Britain, Israel, USSR, Sweden)

(sorry if I left out any nations!)

We might need some more Axis.
Someone was going to play as Japan I believe.

Someone was going to play as Japan I believe.
yeah Karatora.
also Symidon offered to be Poland (page 2)

and Earth Union was Yugoslavia.

Halibis=Spain
it seems you missed quite a few

i missed one point.
it's modern tech not future tech right?
if it's future then count me out.

i missed one point.
it's modern tech not future tech right?
if it's future then count me out.
Its WWII tech with Alien technology (ala War of the Worlds) that inspires space technology for the races. There are War Walkers and Flying Saucers, but they are rare, and there are hot rods (based on prop planes implementing alien technology to go into space.)

So, everyone good to go? It seems we have more Allies then Axis, but that's how it was in RL (conquered territories don't count). Once everyone has posted their country's stats, we are ready to start this war. Whoever wants to can make the first post (i.e. invent a reason and start the war).

After attempting to locate Spanish weapons of the era, I have this that might be useful:
M1893 Rifle
M1916 "True" Carbine
Maxim Machine Gun

It would seem that there was quite a lot of foreign intervention in the Spanish Civil War(the period I tried researching the most). So, maybe I should use some German aircraft(ME 209) and Italian vehicles(Autoblinda AB 40)?

And, maybe we should start the IC war in another thread?

seeing as Israel didn't have an army in those days i decided to use a modern army, but considerably smaller. also we will not have front line fighting as much but rather bombing and refugee camps and sending in aid. Here are Israels troops.

Air Force

Fighters
F15-C (2)
F15-E (2)
F22-A (1)
F/A 18E (3)

Bombers
TU 22M (3)

Navy

Subs
5 Victor III SSN’s
1 Sierra II SSN

Surface Ships
2 Kirov
5 Slava’s

Ok, seeing as Spain didn't exactly have its own aircraft it can use the German ME 209 but just remember that the ME 262 is Germanies aircraft.

Germanies Stats are:

SMG's

MP-40

Machine Guns
MG-42

Rifles
K-98 Mausers
Gewehr 43

The good old "Stick Grenades"

Tanks
Panzer I
Panzer II

Later Germany will have the Tiger and Panzer III tanks

Aircraft
Bf-109
Focke-Wulfs
ME 262
Ju 87B (dive bomber)
Ju 88 (bomber)

Ships
Im just gonna generalise here

Battleship
Cruiser
Patrol Boats :P
U-Boats

oh yeah we have Patrol Boats as well.
thanks for reminding me:headbang:

no problem, they were cool little things :D

ok... just a note Sanctaphrax.

I know this is an ALTERNATE WWII RP but i still dont think that moden vehicles could...uhh... be produced.... efficently anyway.

Perhaps you should condsider using a combination of US, British and French technology rather than have the advantage of moden technology. It kind of puts out the whole point of using WWII tech. Even if just one of uses modern tech then they already have an advantage with things like modern radar and so forth.

ok... just a note Sanctaphrax.

I know this is an ALTERNATE WWII RP but i still dont think that moden vehicles could...uhh... be produced.... efficently anyway.

Perhaps you should condsider using a combination of US, British and French technology rather than have the advantage of moden technology. It kind of puts out the whole point of using WWII tech. Even if just one of uses modern tech then they already have an advantage with things like modern radar and so forth.
ok that's fine.
i will post my forces in a minute after researching.

Thanks for changing it. I know its probably a bit of trouble but im really grateful that your changing it.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediots.........err can......... i be the industrial war machine, that plays you eeeeeeeeeeeeeediots off against one another, you eeeeeeeeeeeediots :mp5:

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediots.........err can......... i be the industrial war machine, that plays you eeeeeeeeeeeeeediots off against one another, you eeeeeeeeeeeediots :mp5:
ooooooooo...kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk????

Thanks for changing it. I know its probably a bit of trouble but im really grateful that your changing it.
grateful enough to do the research for me because i can't find anything???

Here is the Italian Army's Stats.

Bombers
Caproni Ca 133
Savoia-Marchetti SM-79
Piaggio P-108B
Fiat BR-20

Fighters
Macchi MC.200 Saetta
Macchi MC.202 Folgore
Macchi MC.205V Veltro
Reggiane Re.2000 Falco
Reggiane Re.2001 Ariete
Reggiane Re.2002 Ariete II
Reggiane Re.2005 Sagittario
Fiat G.50 Freccia
Fiat G.55 Centauro

Tanks
M.14/41 (Inf. Support, Medium)
L6/40 (Recon, Light Tank)
P.40 (Heavy Tank)

Artilery
SPG with 105/25 gun

Other Veichles
Half Track
Supply Truck

Weapons
Beretta 34 semi-auto pistol
Beretta 1938A submachine gun
Carcano 91 Rifle
Breda 30 Light Machine Gun

Navy:
Battleship
Cruiser
Light Cruiser
Foltila Destroyers
Modern Destroyers
Old Model Destroyers (WWI)
Torpedo Boats
Submarines

seeing as Israel didn't have an army in those days i decided to use a modern army, but considerably smaller. also we will not have front line fighting as much but rather bombing and refugee camps and sending in aid. Here are Israels troops.

Air Force

Fighters
F15-C (2)
F15-E (2)
F22-A (1)
F/A 18E (3)

Bombers
TU 22M (3)

Navy

Subs
5 Victor III SSN’s
1 Sierra II SSN

Surface Ships
2 Kirov
5 Slava’s


NO NO NO!

Any modern tech used in this war will have the Wrath of Poseidon to deal with - don't do it!

It would be appropriate for a 1939 Israel to have bought 1937ish kit from a number of different nations, but note especially that means relatively primitive aircraft.

Also since Israel will have been created from the British-controlled Palestine any alien tech in the area will have been carted off to Britain beforehand, so Israeli involvement in the space battles has to be regarded as highly unlikely.

NO NO NO!

Any modern tech used in this war will have the Wrath of Posiedon to deal with - don't do it!

It would be appropriate for a 1939 Israel to have bought 1937ish kit form a number of different nations, but note especially that means relatively primitive aircraft.

Also since Israel will have been created from the British-controlled Palestine any alien tech in the area will have been carted off to Britain beforehand, so Israeli involvement in the space battles has to be regarded as highly unlikely.
bring it on Wrath of Poseidon :mp5:

Who are you???
if you looked at the entire thread as opposed to one post you would have noticed that i already agreed to change it.

Well, Hows this for Israel

Tanks
M3 "General Lee"
US M-10 Tank Destroyer
M26
Humber MkII (4 wheeled scout tank)

Aircraft
B-25 Mitchell (Bomber)
F3A-1 Brewster (fighter)
Boulton Paul Defiant (fighter w. reargunner)

Weapons
M1 Garand
Colt M1911
Thompson M1

Warships
Heavy Cruisers
Light Cruisers
Patrol Boats

The only thing im not sure about is the Battleships and subs. I was jus considering Israels contruction capablilities. By all means add them anyhow.

Well, Hows this for Israel

Tanks
M3 "General Lee"
US M-10 Tank Destroyer
M26
Humber MkII (4 wheeled scout tank)

Aircraft
B-25 Mitchell (Bomber)
F3A-1 Brewster (fighter)
Boulton Paul Defiant (fighter w. reargunner)

Weapons
M1 Garand
Colt M1911
Thompson M1

Warships
Heavy Cruisers
Light Cruisers
Patrol Boats

The only thing im not sure about is the Battleships and subs. I was jus considering Israels contruction capablilities. By all means add them anyhow.
thanks very much you saved me a lot of work. which nation are you BTW??
i'll add Battleships but not subs.

thanks again for the help, i greatly appreciate it.

PR of Sanctaphrax

Im germany :D

Im the main cause of this whole war....
So, yep.. its me your fighting.

Im germany :D

Im the main cause of this whole war....
So, yep.. its me your fighting.
ah well, what can you do.
i assume you don't believe in the real Nazi Germany.
because if you do then now might be a bad time to tell you i'm an Israeli Jew!!

Nah, i dont believe in it.
Actually, im a Australian Christian and to be honest I hate hitler. Thats why hes not leading the Germans this time and this time there is no Nazi Germany.

Nah, i dont believe in it.
Actually, im a Australian Christian and to be honest I hate hitler. Thats why hes not leading the Germans this time and this time there is no Nazi Germany.
please let him lead the Germans.
i want to blow his head off from short range with one of his own Panzers.

ok, fair enough.

Just.... oh never mind. Enjoy yourself :D

ok, fair enough.

Just.... oh never mind. Enjoy yourself :D
will do...
let's get it started shall we???
I believe it's traditional for Germany to start???
have fun everyone!!!

PR of Sanctaphrax
p.s should we start a new thread???

Ok, well.. from wat i see.
The following Countries need to post stats:

Japan
Poland
Sweden
Britain
Yugoslavia
Spain

Some of these nations have posted ideas for their stats but havent posted their overview of their Country.

Perhaps another day before we start to give these people to research and post their stats.

Ok, well.. from wat i see.
The following Countries need to post stats:

Japan
Poland
Sweden
Britain
Yugoslavia
Spain

Some of these nations have posted ideas for their stats but havent posted their overview of their Country.

Perhaps another day before we start to give these people to research and post their stats.
all right, twenty-four hours from now the war will start. anyone who hasn't posted stats by then will be excluded... fair???

Sounds fair to me. Some of these countries havent said anything since they agreed to play so im not expecting to many other countries.

Sounds fair to me. Some of these countries havent said anything since they agreed to play so im not expecting to many other countries.
who have we got???

if Britain don't respond then i'll take them.

ok. sounds good.

ok. sounds good.
i'll start shall i???
Sanctaphrax=Israel(?) possibly britain
Orsirus=Germany
who else

from wat i see:

Kyleralia=USSR
Torotania(soz if i spelt it wrong)=Italy

they've posted stats

from wat i see:

Kyleralia=USSR
Torotania(soz if i spelt it wrong)=Italy
brilliant... two Vs two

Well, im gonna stop posting.

its 11:14 PM in Australia and im buggered.

Good night. :D

Hey, all of my stats for the US are on page one. If you want a more specific display, then I will post it on this page.

Well, im gonna stop posting.

its 11:14 PM in Australia and im buggered.

Good night. :D
good night
be back in twenty four hours

Hey, all of my stats for the US are on page one. If you want a more specific display, then I will post it on this page.
now we have the US as well, excellent.
a more specific display would be good yeah

OOC

OK I've worked out what I'd like to be:


IC


Beneath the Atlantic Ocean, 300 miles off the coast of Boston USA, March 1939


The Captain's chamber was dark and mysterious.

Strange patterns writhed across the wall display, patterns that would make a human viewing them very uncomfortable. As well as normal Earthly colours, there were strange black areas that somehow hinted at a diversity of expression unknown to those who couldn't see into the infrared.

The Captain of this solitary vessel wasn't even slightly human.

His great shadowy face had a solitary three-segmented eye above a mouth containing no apparent teeth but with writhing polyps around the triangular aperture.

His roughly pyramidal head lay on a long and very articulate neck above a low and stumpy body.

Three short dumpy legs lay beneath the body. Three long and skeletal arms extended from the front, just below where the neck entered the body. Each of these arms was terminated in a hand with three long skeletal fingers, arranged in a trangular pattern so they could grasp without using a specialised thumb.

Unable to use chairs , he instead rested astraddle a stool with his three legs surrounding it, facing a computer display.

Instead of a keyboard, he had three objects remarkably like what future humans would call mice. By carefully positioning these three mice with respect to lines inscribed on his desk, he could make symbols of his race's ideographic language, allowing data entry at respectable speeds.

Currently the Captain was composing another progress report to his superiors back in the Second Fleet on its way to this solar system.

"Most Superior One, this feeble underling begs leave to report."

"The humans continue to progress with their adaptation of technology plundered from our fallen nestkin, and grow steadily stronger as a result."

"There are distinct signs of growing martial strength, it seems to us that war is soon to be inevitable. This helps our cause, hopefully these wretched humans will kill each other off before Second fleet arrives, saving you the job of exterminating them."

"This vessel continues to be unnoticed by the humans. Their submarine technology is primitive, and it is easy to evade their sound detection systems."

"While we are too few to wage all-out war, we have detected certain logistical weaknesses that we can exploit once war breaks out. Until then sinking ships at random is simply too dangerous. Even these humans can put enough explosive into a small space around us to destroy us should they become aware of our presence."

"Unfortunately these hard facts are still affecting the morale of the crew. Knowing they are the only remaining representatives of The Favoured Race on this misbegotten ball of rock is sapping their strength and resolve. I have been saying that sooner or later the humans will slip up, allowing us to gain access to an orbital craft. Once that happens we can return to the mothership and return with vengeance for our fallen nestkin!"

"Personally however I doubt that we should ever get a chance. All the orbital craft we have reconnoitred have been very heavily guarded. We are too few to force an assault despite our weaponry, and there seem no options for stealthy approach."

"However these humans may one day get careless, and if so we will seize the opportunity!"

"I remain Captain of The Undersea Wrath, Stan'Dazzia Chachtouth."

OOC

The Undersea Wrath:

One alien technology undersea vessel.

Highly advanced stealth technology makes it completely silent and able to pass active sonar returns as if it is not there. It couldn't be detected by modern era equipment, let alone 1930s tech.

Powered by a fusion reactor using the advanced proton-proton reaction, it can get fuel oxygen and drinking water from the sea, allowing it to remain submerged indefinitely without exposure to the germ-laden air which killed the rest of the aliens.

Food supplies are no more of a problem - there are plenty of fish in the sea!

The aliens food processing technology has enabled them to escape the fate of their bretheren so far. The fish are never exposed to the atmosphere before cooking, so the germs that might be present are killed before they have a chance to spread.

The alien sub can cruise at 55 knots in total silence. In an emergency it can go into supercavitating mode, allowing it to speed up to 750 knots. This however is very noisy, even the alien stealth tech can't help that!

Weapons - rather than the plasma guns used above water the sub uses tiny torpedoes. Each torpedo is powered and warheaded by a speck of antimatter, allowing long range for a device no more than 1" long and .3" in diameter.

Torpedo specs: Range 200 miles at 75 knots silent or 900 knots supercav. Stealth technology means the torpedo cannot be heard in silent mode. The warhead is equivalent to 1 tonne of TNT at 200 miles range or 30 tonnes of TNT at 50 miles.

The torpedo can also be used as a cruise missile, in which case it has a range of 1500 miles at Mach 3.3 at 20,000 feet or 600 miles at sea level at the same speed. However at that range it has nearly used all the antimatter and the warhead is equivalent to 150 pounds of TNT.

The submarine was launched with 999 torpedoes (the aliens like things to go in 3s). It has since used a mere 36, leaving it with 963.

The submarine has a crew of just 24 as it is highly automated.

The Other Submarines:

Three other submarines were used by the aliens but their crews were all given jobs involving the need to surface and open the hatches, leading to their infection. However the crews didn't die until the vessels had submerged.

Without crew input the computers are instructed to land on the bottom and remain silent.

One submarine is in the Mariana Trench and is unlikely ever to be found.

One submarine is at the bottom of the Mediterranean, 75 miles from the "heel" of Italy.

One submarine is beneath the Arctic ice.


The Second Fleet:

The alien interstellar technology is not FTL. They have a good reactionless gravity drive, allowing for acceleration at 500g indefinitely. Their ships are limited to .5c as they have to shield themselves from dust and so on.

The Second Fleet will arrive in 1961...

sorry wrong thread,
this is WW2 NOT some fantasy crap that you made up just now.
pick a nation or leave the thread. it's that simple.

OK...for the USA-

Small Arms:
Thompson M1 SMG
M1 Garand semi-auto combat rifle
Springfield '03 bolt action sniper rifle
Colt .45 M1911 pistol
BAR (which doubles as a set machine gun)
Mark II fragmentation grenades

Armour:
M2
M3 (light tank)
M3 (medium tank)
M8 (Light Armoured Car)

(the M4's will follow in the coming years)

Anti-Tank:
M3 Anti-tank pack gun
M4 Anti-tank pack gun
M10 tank destroyer

Aircraft:
P-39 Airacobra
P-40 Tomahawk
B-24 Liberator
B-25 Mitchell
SBD Devastator

(more aircraft will follow in the coming years)

Ships:
Not entirely sure...I just know the US has a huge navy.
(aircraft carriers, battleships, PT Boats, cruisers, etc)

Space Force: 2 Orbital Installations (George Washington and Thomas Jefferson)
54 hot rods (27 per station)

That should be it...funny though how the guy with the German name is playing the US...

sorry wrong thread,
this is WW2 NOT some fantasy crap that you made up just now.
pick a nation or leave the thread. it's that simple.

You're the one in the wrong thread if you think it's *just* WW2.

I suggest you read the post very carefully again.

It was my suggestion to mix in the alien tech to make the idea of spacecraft in WW2 even remotely sensible, and the sole remaining aliens are there in a very plausible way.

One submarine with 24 remaining aliens will make no difference whatsoever to the course of the war but can add considerable mystery.

However it's Der Volk's call, if he doesn't want the sub involved then he can say so.

I suggest you read the post very carefully again.

It was my suggestion to mix in the alien tech to make the idea of spacecraft in WW2 even remotely sensible, and the sole remaining aliens are there in a very plausible way.

One submarine with 24 remaining aliens will make no difference whatsoever to the course of the war but can add considerable mystery.

However it's Der Volk's call, if he doesn't want the sub involved then he can say so.
but we're not going for mystery are we???
we're going for re-enactment.
show me a point in WW2 where someone finds an alien sub and then we'll discuss it...

Not to insult anyone, but...
I had imagined this as simply a differnent World War II. I had imagined all the aliens on Earth to be dead by now, so this would be strictly human vs. human. However, who know's what (or who) will be on the mothership when its found (after the war)...

but we're not going for mystery are we???
we're going for re-enactment.
show me a point in WW2 where someone finds an alien sub and then we'll discuss it...

Show me the orbital fighters and space stations in WW2 too.

You really haven't read the whole thread, have you?

Not to insult anyone, but...
I had imagined this as simply a differnent World War II. I had imagined all the aliens on Earth to be dead by now, so this would be strictly human vs. human. However, who know's what (or who) will be on the mothership when its found (after the war)...

OOC
OK

IC

The Captain of the Undersea Wrath rather stupidly allows the crew liberty on a deserted island in the Bahamas.

When they return to cruising depth they realise they are doomed to suffer the same fate as their fellows.

They decide not to allow the humans access to their undersea tech, and trigger the self destruct in all the submarines.

Four mysterious explosions occur.

OOC

Bye-bye.

Ok...if everyone's ready, then Germany can start the war.

BTW i agree with Der Volk that there shouldn't be any alien tech. it just takes away from the realism

Ok...if everyone's ready, then Germany can start the war.
we agreed to give everyone about twenty four hours to post their stats because there are some that offered to take part but haven't posted yet.
we'll start in twenty two hours.

Spain--
Rifles
Mauser 1893
Carcano 1891

Sub-machine guns
MP 28

Anti-Aircraft Weapons
Flak 18 88mm AA gun

Anti-Tank Weapons
B-2 AT Mine

Machine Guns
Hotchkiss 1914
Maxim MG

Armour
Autoblinda AB 40 Armoured Car
CV 35 Light Tank
P.40 Heavy Tank(Torontonias, may I use this? The two vehicles above don't have cannons, and we probably will be allies, so...)

Aircraft
ME 209 Fighter

Navy (As of 1939)
1 Battleship
2 Heavy Cruisers
2 Light Cruisers
5 Destroyers
5 Torpedo Boats
3 Minelayers
2 Submarines
4 Coast Guard Boats

The war doesn't have to start by Germany, does it? I'm thinking of invading Morocco.

thank you.
unfortunately i think the Germans should start the war because we are trying to keep it accurate, there is however, nothing stopping you from attacking Morocco afterwards.

12 hours till the World War II RP starts...last call to get country stats in.

OOC

OK I've worked out what I'd like to be:


IC


Beneath the Atlantic Ocean, 300 miles off the coast of Boston USA, March 1939


The Captain's chamber was dark and mysterious.

Strange patterns writhed across the wall display, patterns that would make a human viewing them very uncomfortable. As well as normal Earthly colours, there were strange black areas that somehow hinted at a diversity of expression unknown to those who couldn't see into the infrared.

The Captain of this solitary vessel wasn't even slightly human.

His great shadowy face had a solitary three-segmented eye above a mouth containing no apparent teeth but with writhing polyps around the triangular aperture.

His roughly pyramidal head lay on a long and very articulate neck above a low and stumpy body.

Three short dumpy legs lay beneath the body. Three long and skeletal arms extended from the front, just below where the neck entered the body. Each of these arms was terminated in a hand with three long skeletal fingers, arranged in a trangular pattern so they could grasp without using a specialised thumb.

Unable to use chairs , he instead rested astraddle a stool with his three legs surrounding it, facing a computer display.

Instead of a keyboard, he had three objects remarkably like what future humans would call mice. By carefully positioning these three mice with respect to lines inscribed on his desk, he could make symbols of his race's ideographic language, allowing data entry at respectable speeds.

Currently the Captain was composing another progress report to his superiors back in the Second Fleet on its way to this solar system.

"Most Superior One, this feeble underling begs leave to report."

"The humans continue to progress with their adaptation of technology plundered from our fallen nestkin, and grow steadily stronger as a result."

"There are distinct signs of growing martial strength, it seems to us that war is soon to be inevitable. This helps our cause, hopefully these wretched humans will kill each other off before Second fleet arrives, saving you the job of exterminating them."

"This vessel continues to be unnoticed by the humans. Their submarine technology is primitive, and it is easy to evade their sound detection systems."

"While we are too few to wage all-out war, we have detected certain logistical weaknesses that we can exploit once war breaks out. Until then sinking ships at random is simply too dangerous. Even these humans can put enough explosive into a small space around us to destroy us should they become aware of our presence."

"Unfortunately these hard facts are still affecting the morale of the crew. Knowing they are the only remaining representatives of The Favoured Race on this misbegotten ball of rock is sapping their strength and resolve. I have been saying that sooner or later the humans will slip up, allowing us to gain access to an orbital craft. Once that happens we can return to the mothership and return with vengeance for our fallen nestkin!"

"Personally however I doubt that we should ever get a chance. All the orbital craft we have reconnoitred have been very heavily guarded. We are too few to force an assault despite our weaponry, and there seem no options for stealthy approach."

"However these humans may one day get careless, and if so we will seize the opportunity!"

"I remain Captain of The Undersea Wrath, Stan'Dazzia Chachtouth."

OOC

The Undersea Wrath:

One alien technology undersea vessel.

Highly advanced stealth technology makes it completely silent and able to pass active sonar returns as if it is not there. It couldn't be detected by modern era equipment, let alone 1930s tech.

Powered by a fusion reactor using the advanced proton-proton reaction, it can get fuel oxygen and drinking water from the sea, allowing it to remain submerged indefinitely without exposure to the germ-laden air which killed the rest of the aliens.

Food supplies are no more of a problem - there are plenty of fish in the sea!

The aliens food processing technology has enabled them to escape the fate of their bretheren so far. The fish are never exposed to the atmosphere before cooking, so the germs that might be present are killed before they have a chance to spread.

The alien sub can cruise at 55 knots in total silence. In an emergency it can go into supercavitating mode, allowing it to speed up to 750 knots. This however is very noisy, even the alien stealth tech can't help that!

Weapons - rather than the plasma guns used above water the sub uses tiny torpedoes. Each torpedo is powered and warheaded by a speck of antimatter, allowing long range for a device no more than 1" long and .3" in diameter.

Torpedo specs: Range 200 miles at 75 knots silent or 900 knots supercav. Stealth technology means the torpedo cannot be heard in silent mode. The warhead is equivalent to 1 tonne of TNT at 200 miles range or 30 tonnes of TNT at 50 miles.

The torpedo can also be used as a cruise missile, in which case it has a range of 1500 miles at Mach 3.3 at 20,000 feet or 600 miles at sea level at the same speed. However at that range it has nearly used all the antimatter and the warhead is equivalent to 150 pounds of TNT.

The submarine was launched with 999 torpedoes (the aliens like things to go in 3s). It has since used a mere 36, leaving it with 963.

The submarine has a crew of just 24 as it is highly automated.

The Other Submarines:

Three other submarines were used by the aliens but their crews were all given jobs involving the need to surface and open the hatches, leading to their infection. However the crews didn't die until the vessels had submerged.

Without crew input the computers are instructed to land on the bottom and remain silent.

One submarine is in the Mariana Trench and is unlikely ever to be found.

One submarine is at the bottom of the Mediterranean, 75 miles from the "heel" of Italy.

One submarine is beneath the Arctic ice.


The Second Fleet:

The alien interstellar technology is not FTL. They have a good reactionless gravity drive, allowing for acceleration at 500g indefinitely. Their ships are limited to .5c as they have to shield themselves from dust and so on.

The Second Fleet will arrive in 1961...
OOC: I say this is a great Idea, but it is Der Volk's judgment. Also, I am France, for people who are curious.

OOC: I say this is a great Idea, but it is Der Volk's judgment. Also, I am France, for people who are curious.
it is a great idea but not in a WW2 re-enactment.
Hadula, have you given french stats???

i just have one thing to say. if there will be battles in space, Then the weapons that we currently have...would they work in space? wouldn't the whole no-gravity thing interfere with the bullets and other projectiles? wouldn't it slow them down....and any rockets that would be left over...if they get caught in the earth's orbit...then woun't they come crashing down at high speeds and possibly kill many ppl below?

I'm sorry if I anger anyone with this desicion, but I would prefer not to have any aliens on earth....I would like it if after the war, things started happening (i.e. the aliens, suddenly smart, take advantage of the weakened nations and launch an attack). That sound ok?

I'm sorry if I anger anyone with this desicion, but I would prefer not to have any aliens on earth....I would like it if after the war, things started happening (i.e. the aliens, suddenly smart, take advantage of the weakened nations and launch an attack). That sound ok?
[OOC: Fine with me. The Second War of the World ;)

I'm sorry if I anger anyone with this desicion, but I would prefer not to have any aliens on earth....I would like it if after the war, things started happening (i.e. the aliens, suddenly smart, take advantage of the weakened nations and launch an attack). That sound ok?
yeah but i'll take part only in the war if you don't mind, don't take it the wrong way but i prefer modern tech to blowing up Aliens.

[taggage]

[taggage]
sorry???

three hours left to post forces.
anyone who doesn't will be left out!!!

TIME IS UP!!!
Orsirius (Germany) would you start off the war??
have fun everyone.

PR of Sanctaphrax

p.s Hitlers mine:sniper:

OOC: just because I havent been responding I'm still in the RP I've posted my stats and junk. Im just hearing that stuff about people taking other nations. Oh well finally the game is begining.

I would like to play as the empire of Japan because the dude who should be playing as him isn't...and thats not cool...

here are my stats...
Tanks
-type 89 and type 97
Small arms
-nabu taisho (main pistol)
-type 100 (SMG)
-arisaka type 99 (combate rifle)
-modle 97 (anti-tank rifle)
-type 92 (machine gun)
Air Craft
-mitsubishi a6m reisen (fighter)
-aichi D3A ( bomber)
Navy
-yamato (battle ship)
-akagi, soryu, kaga, hiryu (all air craft carriers)

(generalizing for the rest cause we cant find them)
Space Fleet
-two orbital instilations ( "Atsui", "Gomen Nasai")

36 hot rods (18 per station)

(so sorry i was late, please exuse me!)

Sure, why not Tetsui? The other guy hasn't given stats for Japan, so you can join up.
By the way, Osirus isn't on the forum right now. Why don't we let Tetsui start the RP? I mean, the Japanese invaded Manchuria and Singapore etc first. I know its not according to history here, but I'm getting eager to start.

" you got that Takkun? battle ships are gonna pound the cost of China first and THEN we go in and take care of whats ever left. got it?"
"yup, but still, do you think China's ready for this, Ranma?"
"probably not but who cares we just want to expand and get there fricken anthrasite. and we WILL get it. we just have to kill a couple people for it..."
"(arn't you nice) Well we need it cause we dont have any of that danm coal stuff"
The radio crackled and told us to get a move on cause the attack was starting. "Here we go Takkun! you ready!?"
"as ready as i'll ever be with these mitsbishi A6M!!!"
We heard the bombing at the coast as we started over. the radio broke in again and told us to clear every thing else out. As we went through the dust clouds that had developed cause of the blasts, we saw destruction every where. "holy shit!" i heard Ranma say, "that did a pretty good job"
"sure did but hold up theres still some bases coming out. lets destroy 'em!"
And we were off killing every living thing in our wake. This didnt last very long and it seemed as though every thing was being destroyed by our Reisn fighters. Just then the radio came on "okay kids take the fighters back our tanks and troops will take care of the mines, turn around and take 'em home!"
"well that was boring" Ranma said under him breath.
"I just hope the troops will be alright i dont kno how those chinese turds fight..."

bump

hello all if you dont like it just say so...where are you guys?... :mad:

The Washington and the Jefferson orbited lazily above the earth. They appeared sleepy at the moment, but in seconds they could power up their guns and launch all their hot rods. With the all orbits being crowded (with all the other major nations platforms), space looked like any other military zone, expect for the weightlessness and other obvious things. Some people questioned the spending by the government on a "space force", but it seemed that it might have been a good idea. The platform had taken radar scans of Manchuria (part of the US's not-often-talked-about covert spying program), and it seemed that some Japanese troops had invaded. This didn't nessecarily have anything to do with the US...but, Japan was within striking distance of Wake, Guam, and Midway...no one could be too cautious. If Japan decided to exapnd, the US could be in danger. The Pentagon put the platforms and hot rods on combat alert, ready to be scrambled, should there be trouble on earth, or in orbit. The navy followed suit as well, as did the land based rocket stations.

Israel has heard of an invasion in the Far East.
we would like to be the first to condemn it and assure the Japanese that war will be declared by Israel should this imperialism continue.
you have been warned.

yours sincerely

Cowlquape Pentephraxis

Most High Academe,

PR of Sanctaphrax

Right now we are neutral about the conflict between the U.S and Japan. However, We want to keep the world peaceful. If the Empire of Japan continues to take this conflict any farther where the U.S has to use military force then the U.S.S.R Will have no choice but to declare war on the Empire of Japan.

- The department of Defence and Foriegn Affairs of The Soviet Union-

To the Japanese government:

The United States government has learned of Japanese expansion into Manchuria. We would like to remind the Japanese government that if expansion continues into the South Pacific, we will defend our island interests and assist the British in Singapore with military force. We should like to think that this can all be resolved peacefully.

Jonathan Garrett
American Ambassador to Japan

We have no comment on the issue, but we will be noting that the Voltaire and Charlemange will be put on alert to this conflict. We remain neutral, as we do not see kseverance of ties to either nation. We will be happy and try to work out a mediation between the two if conflict arises.
- From the desk of President Edouard Daladier -

I notice that many people share my views,
who would like an alliance with Israel???
any technology will be welcome as our own is rather lacking.
Israel offers 60'000 Shekels ($10'000) to the first willing to join us in the fight against imperialism.

At this time, we have no comment or stance on the Japanese invasion of China.
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Meanwhile, above Morocco, the Emilio Mola and José Sanjurjo are discreetly performing radar scans. The Spanish Ambassador to Morocco is secretly sending reports to Madrid concerning Moroccan millitary strength.

I notice that many people share my views,
who would like an alliance with Israel???
any technology will be welcome as our own is rather lacking.
Israel offers 60'000 Shekels ($10'000) to the first willing to join us in the fight against imperialism.
Private (Secret) Statement by Edouard Daladier
"Aid a fledgling jewish nation? Hm. We will think on it then. Imperialism is an outdated philosphy, and of course, Japan is oru only worry, but we should only remain vigilant. And tell Admiral Clay to stay away from Japanese owned space. We don't need any more conflict than we have now."

The Italians also wish to remain neutral on the Japanese invasion of China, right now we have no official government opinion on the matter.

On a Secret Telegram to Germany

Hitler, we belive the time to strike at the North African Frontier is ripe, recent reports from the Roma and the Genoa Have indicated that allied presence in the area is at an all time low. We could also lure Spain in by promising Morocco to them if they render assistance. If quick victory is met there, we may move onto Egypt and then the Middle East, and secure precious Oil lines. Please Inform us of any Major European plans Germany is coming up with, we must move quickly before the Allies react!

End Telegram

Private (Secret) Statement by Edouard Daladier
"Aid a fledgling jewish nation? Hm. We will think on it then. Imperialism is an outdated philosphy, and of course, Japan is oru only worry, but we should only remain vigilant. And tell Admiral Clay to stay away from Japanese owned space. We don't need any more conflict than we have now."
We have recieved intelligence that Germany are searching for allies.
We believe that Japan will prove useful allies for the Nazi party and we should be wary.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Most High Academe, PR of Sanctaphrax

We have recieved intelligence that Germany are searching for allies.
We believe that Japan will prove useful allies for the Nazi party and we should be wary.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Most High Academe, PR of Sanctaphrax
Private Telegram to Cowlquape Pentephraxis

We have little to fear from those raving lunatics in the National Socialist party. They are no threat.

[OOC: Ah, famous last words. BTW, what country are you? Thats a rather strange name you have...]

A secret telegram to the Chinese Government

The United States government sees the Japanese expansion efforts as unwanted agression in this part of the world. In an effort to help stop the spread of this agression before it reaches Singapore and the South Pacific islands, we will loan you equipment and men. In a short time, you will be recieving 3 volunteer air squadrons, utilizing P-39 fightercraft. Since these are volunteer, the government officially has nothing to do with them.

Good luck with this fight.

Identity withheld

Private Telegram to Cowlquape Pentephraxis

We have little to fear from those raving lunatics in the National Socialist party. They are no threat.

[OOC: Ah, famous last words. BTW, what country are you? Thats a rather strange name you have...]
OOC:you've evidently never read a series of books called the Edge Chronicles! Cowlquape is the Head academic of a city of academics, Sanctaphrax.
in this I am Israel. who are you???

I feel something more sinister is afoot in Nazi Germany. I have reason to believe that diplomatic relations betweeen them and Japan have never been better and we also believe that weapons have been changing hands between them. They are just rumors but they do seem to have some factual basis.
We hope you are right and that war will be averted but we feel that sinister times are upon us.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister,
Israel

We too believe that relations between Japan and Germany are becoming strong and that a possible alliance might be formed. We fear that if Germany becomes a faithful ally to Japan then they might aid Japan in invading China and the far east. This Could cause massive problems and war could possibly be near.

- Minister of Defence and Foriegn Affairs of The U.S.S.R-

We too believe that relations between Japan and Germany are becoming strong and that a possible alliance might be formed. We fear that if Germany becomes a faithful ally to Japan then they might aid Japan in invading China and the far east. This Could cause massive problems and war could possibly be near.

- Minister of Defence and Foriegn Affairs of The U.S.S.R-
Would you be interested in an alliance with Israel???
we have sworn to fight terror, no matter how big or small the danger.
We feel that all has been too quiet in Germany, something is about to happen. We will despatch our navy to the coast of China as a detterent to the Japanese. if they are fired upon then we will have to declare war on the Japanese.
you have been warned.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel

We would like to form an alliance with Israel. If you are fired upon and are forced to declare war on Japan we will aid you and help the chinese in their struggle against Japan.

-President Kyle-
U.S.S.R

We would like to form an alliance with Israel. If you are fired upon and are forced to declare war on Japan we will aid you and help the chinese in their struggle against Japan.

-President Kyle-
U.S.S.R
Thank you.
Take ten thousand dollars as a sign of goodwill.
we are sending some of our Naval force over to China.
15 Heavy Cruisers
20 Battleships
estimated arrival time: One NS week.
our Light Cruisers and Patrol Boats will stay to guard Israel.
we would be grateful if our new Allies the USSR will also send some ships.
We believe that your subs are meant to be among the best in the world.
if you could send some for any resistance that we might encounter in reclaiming the Chinese coastline.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis,
Foreign Affairs Minister,
Israel

We thank you for the gift and hope we will form a strong alliance. The Soviet union will send some 30 battle ships to the cost of China. We will also station military divisions along the far cost of Russia for any Imediate attack.

-President Kyle-
U.S.S.R

We thank you for the gift and hope we will form a strong alliance. The Soviet union will send some 30 battle ships to the cost of China. We will also station military divisions along the far cost of Russia for any Imediate attack.

-President Kyle-
U.S.S.R
could you send us some technology for your submarines???
one term to the alliance is that on no account are you to form an alliance with the Nazis. double cross me and the alliance is OFF.

I am currently sending you plans for the ASR-40 capable of speeds up to 70mph and wieghs about 9 tons wich makes it easy to control. The ASR-40 is also equiped with the latest technology of missiles. I do not know why you would ever think of me betraying sides. I forbid these plans to leave your hands into any other country. I hope this will help us become even stronger of an alliance.
I will be sending about 5 subs between Japan and China so if any Japenese subs are near we will be alerted Immediately , however I will not fire unless fired upon.

U.S.S.R

OOC: I'm assuming that Germany and Italy are already entered in an Alliance/mutal Defence Pact. If not, here is a Telegram.

-Public Knowledge Telegram-
Italy is willing to offer its hand in friendship entering an Alliance with Germany. I belive that both of our Respected Countries could befit from increased Trade and revenue, as well as a Combined Defence.

OOC: If we are already in Alliance, disregard last Telegram

Secret Telegram to Germany
This telegram is a supplement to information not listed in last Telegram, We also belive that we should strike together at U.S Spacial holdings, if we let them stand, and they become involved in a War against us, we will surely have problems, but if we strike now, and cripple the American Space Program, that will be Survailence and technology they will not have to aid them. Also, I belive that you should enter the Alliance with Japan, as it would benift us with the increased pressure on European holdings.
End Telegram

I was away for a few days, but I posted beforehand I wanted to play as Japan. Is it to late for me to tag along?

I was away for a few days, but I posted beforehand I wanted to play as Japan. Is it to late for me to tag along?
yes,
Tetsui is already playing as Japan.

We forbid this alliance. The Nazis are no good and if they should put a foot out of line we shall hold you jointly accountable. If war is what you seek then just say so.We are always happy to help.
Thank you for the subs, USSR. the comment was only a precaution, nothing more. I hope our alliance will prevent or overcome the great evils that i feel are about to commence.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel

Telegram to Germany

Good Friends, who graciously aided us in our fight against the Republicans, we wish to enter into an Alliance with your nation. Together, with Italy, our nations can become a beacon of Fascism to the entire World!

General Franco
Generalissimo of the Spanish Armies and State

Telegram to Italy

Good Friends, who graciously aided us in our fight against the Republicans, we wish to enter into an Alliance with your nation. Together, with Germany, our nations can become a beacon of Fascism to the entire World!

Good Friend, we also humbly ask that you grant us the plans for the P.40 Heavy Tank, an Italian engineering marvel.

General Franco
Generalissimo of the Spanish Armies and State
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Off the Moroccan coast, a fleet consisting of a battleship, 1 heavy cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 3 destroyers, 3 torpedo boats, and 1 submarine is sailing by. The Spanish government maintains they are en route to the Canary Islands for exercises.

Off the Moroccan coast, a fleet consisting of a battleship, 1 heavy cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 3 destroyers, 3 torpedo boats, and 1 submarine is sailing by. The Spanish government maintains they are en route to the Canary Islands for exercises.
I will send over twenty light cruisers to ensure you keep your word.
Under normal circumstances I would have believed you but under new intelligence recieved that you are to enter into an alliance with Italy and Germany you have lost our trust.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis

Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel

Secret Telegram sent to Israel

To The Foreign Affairs Minister of Israel

I will once again promise you that if you are attacked I will aid you. This Time if you are attacked I will have to declare war on Spain. I feel that if this is the case and I go to war with spain we will set off the spark wich will start the next world war. I suggest we start forming alliances with other powers for this could be a massive war.

President Kyle of The U.S.S.R

To Mr. Pentephraxis,

We are saddened to know that you do not have any trust in us. We are merely practicing naval manuevers off the Canary Islands. We please ask you recall your cruisers. We do not intend to start a war.

We are also puzzled by your disdain for Italy and Germany. We have heard of your friendship with the iron-fisted Soviets, but we do not interfere with you and the Premier's affairs.

Secretary for Foreign Affairs Diego

I just signed on, so I'll be playing Canada.

As we,the Canadians, have the 2nd largest navy,we will send 22 crusers,12 battle ships, and one Aircraft Carrier,the H.M.C.S. Samuel de Champlain, to the South China Sea among them, flets of small river patrol boats. While our two Orbital weapons platforms, the HMCSS Ontario, and the HMCSS Quebec lock their weapons on to the German Cities of Bonn and Berlin.

Telegram to the UK:

Greatful friends, we have taken up your most nobel cause to defend the world from this facist menace. It is a threath to all freedom loving individuals, we join with the hope of ousting these tyrants. The Royal Canadian Armed Forces (RCAF) are ready to free the world from their iron grip!

End Telegram

Telegram to the US:

Greatful friends, we have taken up your most nobel cause to defend the world from this facist menace. It is a threath to all freedom loving individuals, we join with the hope of paving the way for democracy. The Royal Canadian Armed Forces (RCAF) are ready to free the world from their iron grip!

End Telegram

Telegram to the USSR:

Greatful friends, we have taken up your most nobel cause to defend the world from this facist menace. It is a threath to all freedom loving individuals, we join with the hope of ousting these right-wing tyrants. The Royal Canadian Armed Forces (RCAF) are ready to free the world from their iron grip!

End Telegram

Telegram to Isreal:

We stand by you, in deposing of this menace. They wish to wipe out innocent men women and children, becaus they hapen to be Jewish! These deeds stain the very fabric of what is humanity, they must be stopped before they kill any more!

End Telegram

Telegram to China

Your liberation is at hand! We have sent a great fleet to help free your nobel state form this Japanese aggression! We stand as commerads in arms against the facist menace. Canada is Ready!

End Telegram

~The Prime Minister of Canada

To The Prime Minister Of Canada

I thank you for offering a hand of friendship in these hard times. I will stand by you as an ally and help protect the nations in danger. However war has not broken out yet and we should remain peaceful unless attacked upon by our enemies.

~President Kyle Of the USSR~

To the British Leader:

The United States government is ready to utilise military force in an effort to protect British interests. This includes both Britain itself, and British holdings in the Pacific. Our navy, space force, and airforce are on full alert. If the US can do anything else to strengthen defences in case of war, do not hesitate to ask.

President James Lowry

To The Prime Minister Of Canada

I thank you for offering a hand of friendship in these hard times. I will stand by you as an ally and help protect the nations in danger. However war has not broken out yet and we should remain peaceful unless attacked upon by our enemies.

~President Kyle Of the USSR~
I too offer you the chance to join our alliance. In these ever darkening times we need all the friends we can get.
Spain, if you find a route that doesn't involve Morocco then we will leave you alone. if you remain on your current course then we will have to escort you.
The Russians offered to help the Chinese when they got attacked. You did nothing of the sort. The German Nazi Party are evil and their plans are despicable. You are believed to be their allies. In this war there will be no neutrals. I enclose a telegram sent to me by the Moroccan PM.

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From: The Moroccan Defense Minister
To: The Israeli Government
We in Morocco are ever more worried by the Spaniards. Diplomatic relations between us are not good. Their motives are not good, of this we are certain. Please help protect our people and our nation. We have caught a spy from Spain and, although not able to reveal the exact information we can inform you that after some interrogation, he has revealed military plans. We bessech you for any aid possible.
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Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel

OOC:you've evidently never read a series of books called the Edge Chronicles! Cowlquape is the Head academic of a city of academics, Sanctaphrax.
in this I am Israel. who are you???

I feel something more sinister is afoot in Nazi Germany. I have reason to believe that diplomatic relations betweeen them and Japan have never been better and we also believe that weapons have been changing hands between them. They are just rumors but they do seem to have some factual basis.
We hope you are right and that war will be averted but we feel that sinister times are upon us.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister,
Israel
[OOC: No, I haven't, and I am France.]

Hm, we were, unaware of this. Keep in touch, we may indeed find uses in a mutual relationship.

I just signed on, so I'll be playing Canada.

As we,the Canadians, have the 2nd largest navy,we will send 22 crusers,12 battle ships, and one Aircraft Carrier,the H.M.C.S. Samuel de Champlain, to the South China Sea among them, flets of small river patrol boats. While our two Orbital weapons platforms, the HMCSS Ontario, and the HMCSS Quebec lock their weapons on to the German Cities of Bonn and Berlin.

Telegram to the UK:

Greatful friends, we have taken up your most nobel cause to defend the world from this facist menace. It is a threath to all freedom loving individuals, we join with the hope of ousting these tyrants. The Royal Canadian Armed Forces (RCAF) are ready to free the world from their iron grip!

End Telegram

Telegram to the US:

Greatful friends, we have taken up your most nobel cause to defend the world from this facist menace. It is a threath to all freedom loving individuals, we join with the hope of paving the way for democracy. The Royal Canadian Armed Forces (RCAF) are ready to free the world from their iron grip!

End Telegram

Telegram to the USSR:

Greatful friends, we have taken up your most nobel cause to defend the world from this facist menace. It is a threath to all freedom loving individuals, we join with the hope of ousting these right-wing tyrants. The Royal Canadian Armed Forces (RCAF) are ready to free the world from their iron grip!

End Telegram

Telegram to Isreal:

We stand by you, in deposing of this menace. They wish to wipe out innocent men womwn and children, becaus they hapen tobe Jewish! These deeds stain the very fabric of what is humanity, they must be stopped before they kill any more!

End Telegram

Telegram to China

Your liberation is at hand! We have sent a great fleet to help free your nobel state form this Japanese aggression! We stand as commerads in arms against the facist menace. Canada is Ready!

End Telegram

~The Prime Minister of Canada
[OOC: Aw, what about me?]

[OOC: No, I haven't, and I am France.]

Hm, we were, unaware of this. Keep in touch, we may indeed find uses in a mutual relationship.
If you wish to join our alliance then you would be welcome. We could do with all the help we can get.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis,
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel

Secret Telegram to Spain
We would be more than happy to supply our Neighbours and fellow Allies with the plans to develop the P. 40 Tank, which we agree, is the epitome of Engineering, the more of them on the battlefield we can get the better, also, if we may inquire, if you are planning to invade Morocco, then confer with us, as we are planning a North African invasion with the Germans.
End Telegram

OOC: ....Uh, can we get another player to be Germany, the existing one kind of dropped off the face of the planet. If one cannot be found, I suppose I could play both, since they were so interrelated in the war.

To Mr. Pentephraxis,

As you seem to view yourself as the world's policeman and look upon us with much unfounded suspicion, we will move away from our most convenient route to the Canary Islands that happens to pass near Morocco. We again ask that you recall your armada and not involve yourself in our affairs, which, I assure, are quite peaceful.

Secretary for Foreign Affairs Diego

Because of the recent events, such as a spanish spy found in Morocco I am getting very nervous about the situation. I will be sending 10 battle ships and the SAC-36 An aircraft carrier carrying 6 Fighters 3 Longrange and5 Shortrange bombers.

~President Kyle of the USSR~

To the World;

Rumours, most likely created by Anti-Spanish forces, persist that a Spanish "spy" was caught in Morocco. This is a slandorous lie.

He is, in fact, Spain's Ambassador's to Morocco Scientific Attache. Never has a diplomat under General Franco's Spain committed espionage.

We demand that he be released immediately from false imprisonment by Morocco.

Secretary for Foreign Affairs Diego
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Secret Telegram to Italy

Thank you for these plans. They will be most helpful.

And concerning Morocco, we do indeed plan to invade. At the moment, however, the small, fledgling nation of Israel persists in meddling in our affairs. They keep pestering our fleet, who's mission was to scout the Moroccan coast, but we are now directing them to training exercises in the Canary Islands.

Long Live Italy and Spain!
End

I have gained itel about the withdrawing of Spanish ships. I am still not going to withdraw any units.

~President Kyle Of The USSR~

The United States government shows an interest in stopping the spread of fascism throught Africa. We will join the alliance with Israel, and provide military assistance if Morocco is invaded by Spanish forces. One of our platforms will maintain constant servailance of the Iberian Peninsula and Strait of Gibraltar. Also, our SCC squadrons (hot rods) will be ready to go against Spanish orbital platforms, should the need arise. Once again, if there are any other concerns, do not hesitate to request help from the United States.

President James Lowry

To: The United States Of America

During these hard times we need all the allies we can have. I feel like we are on the edge and anytime war could break out. I am offering an Alliance with you and hope you will accept.

~President Kyle of the USSR~

[OOC: The USSR is rather friendly, no? Or are you not a Stalinist regime?]

Of course, the United States will accept this gracious offer from the USSR. In times of need, all must band together to assure a cohesive response to any threat that may come.

President James Lowry


Secret Telegram, received later that night:
We thought we should share some valuable intel with you. It is sensitive, however, and cannot be shared through normal channels. The US government has learned of an impending Japanese invasion of Singapore and Burma. It will happen within the next day or so, possibly hours. We are putting all of our forces on combat alert, and suggest that you do the same.

identity withheld

During the night, a fleet of battleships bombards the coast of Singapore. A detachment of Aichi D3A bombers saturates the remaining British garrisons with bombs. Shortly after, a detachment of tanks and men come ashore, and start to "slug it out". Fighting continues through the night, with the Japanese overrunning about half of the British positions. Fighting will continue, but for now, it is to be seen what the world's reaction will be.

Secret Message to Spain
Although I am not sure it is the wisest choice, I belive whe should go along with the invasion of North Africa without German support, as they have been ignoring our Telegrams and have been suspiciously silent, we belive the government might be under some sort of stress, not good when going to war. I will give them a few days (OOC: Tommorow Morning) before we go ahead with plans. I also belive that we should have "Diplomats" either in Italy or Spain to discuss a plan that I belive will give us an Edge in the upcoming war. The Americans one of the Largest Space Programs in the world. We should combine our Orbital Assets to eliminate the American ones, this way, they will loose precious survailiance among other things, if we succeed, and pull off the invasion of North Africa, the Americans and British will be in Disarray.
Mussolini
End Secret message

Secret telegram to the U.S

I see, I am deploying a couple of aircraft carriers along with battle ships along the cost. I will aid Singapore if it is attacked by Japan.

End of Telegram

The United States will follow through on its threat. Now that the Empire has proven itself to be expansionist through the invasion of innocent countries, the US will take action. We also formally declare war on the Empire of Japan as of now, and will pull out our diplomatic corps before commencing hostilities.

President James Lowry

Secret Telegram to the Nations of the Alliance
We are mustering our SCC (hot rod) squadrons for an attack on the Atsui and the Gomen Nasai (space platforms). We would like any help you all could provide from your space forces and ground based rocket forces.
Thank you for your help in this noble undertaking.

President James Lowry

The Battle ships and Aircraft carriers Arrive late and wach in horror as Japanese ships and planes bomb Singapore. Admiral Vorichov tells the ships to fire at Japenese ships and planes. All that is heard that is bombing and screaming of a war thats just begining.

The Next day President Kyle is notified of the news. He orders that increased spending be put toward the branches of the Military. Ground divisions are set up through out Russia and around Moscow. Still, the rest of Russia doesn't know that war is on its way.

Later that night all television and radio programs are shut off and the president is heard live.

" Last Night The resistance of war was broken. Japenese airplanes and ships bombed the coast and other parts of Singapore. We have tried to remain peaceful and prevent a war, but Japan shattered any hope we had of not going to war. The Soviet Union will come to the aid of Singapore and other nations that are primary targets of Japan".

"The Soviet Union hereby Declares War On Japan"

Secret Telegram to the U.S

I am moving my space ships closer to Japan and Will release about 4 hotrods each. I also request help in an effort bomb Japenese targets. I am sending some aircraft carriers to the cost of China. I will also lock ground missles on the space ships to Japan. Insince the Missles arent accurate I'll just drop them and cross my fingers.

France is now on high alert. We will not take sides in this conflict, as that would be detrimental to the peace we have attempted to foster between these nations. Obviously, both sides of this arrogant war are misguiding and misinformed, we must stop this violence at once!"
- From the desk of President Edouard Daladier

[OOC: Russia, are you communist or not? Because it just isn't the USSR without Stalin :P]

OOC: Yes I am Communist thats what made Russia, Russia back in the early days, its just that im not stalin himself

To The Empire of France

We are offering an alliance with you even though you are not taking sides right now. Its not going to be long before Germany and Italy pick new European targets.

USSR

Intelligence reports from other nations reveal that France (which was the most affected nation in the War of the Worlds and had the largest concentration of Martian forces) is working on a new form of space technology, based on the alien's design to create a ship capable of long-distance travel and transport of large amounts of people. It is unknown whether or not this is going to be used in military conflict.

To The Empire of France

We are offering an alliance with you even though you are not taking sides right now. Its not going to be long before Germany and Italy pick new European targets.

USSR
We will not side with a state with the same reputation as you have yourself. We remain neutral, and do not associate ourselves with imperialistic nations. If Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy attack Europe, then we will reconsider our position.
- From the desk of President Edouard Daladier

I see the Position you have taken and am perfectly fine with that. I do not want any grudges to be held against each other.

USSR

OOC: People, I know this story is just begining to get moving along, but could we stop for a second, we have no one Playing Germany, the guy who volunteered has not shown up. I will take over for his soon, but first I want to see if someone else wants to be him, because that would make it more interesting. Its just that WWII with no Germany would be kind of Lopsided.

OOC: Agreed. Though, I would just like to tie this one item up...

To the Nations of the World;

What vendetta have you against us? Now, the United States has joined Israel and the Soviets in threating us because of a 'Spanish invasion.'

Again: We are merely engaging in exercises.

We could just as well accuse America of readying to attack Mexico, or Israel Lebanon.

I wish you luck in soon coming to your senses.
Secretary for Foreign Affairs Diego
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Secret Telegram to Italy

I concur; We will be able to succeed in our plans without Germany, if necessary.

As for the American's space force, I believe we should be the first to strike(OOC: Though yes, not yet.) with our forces in coordination.

Lucikly, America and their allies are tied up in the Japanese conflict.
F. Franco
End

Israel's rumors about a Spanish invasion are not unfounded, the Morocco are our friends and if they are worried about an invasion then any ships near Morocco will be escorted for the time being, not just yours but Italy and Germanies as well.
SECRET TELEGRAM TO AMERICA
America, we too will join you in alliance. If you could send us some marine technology, our entire fleet nearly is on the seas. We are still worried about the spanish and will continue to escort them to the Canary Islands. The rest of our fleet are either patrolling the coast of Israel or sailing to Japan. They have arrived this morning.
Israel
END TELEGRAM

In a TV program this morning Cowlquape Pentephraxis announced to his nation that, despite steps toward peace being attempted, the Japanese had shown no interest and continued to bombard innocent nations. We can stand it no longer. This is war!!!

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel

We would like to clear up our alliance in order to avoid confusion.
The Allies are:
U.S.A (Der Volk), USSR (Kyrelaria), Canada (Bordaria), Israel (Sanctaphrax).
France are neutral at the moment.

Yes, and the Axis are: Italy(me), Spain(Halibris), Japan(Tetsui) and Germany (Needs a Player), just so no confusion over posts.

back to the war.
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private telegram to Allies:
After the declaration of war on Japan Israel has decided to move the ships that arrived on the coast of China to Japan instead to start bombing enemy positions.
If you could all engage Japanese ships we will hit them from behind. This should sink their fleet.

General Varis Lodd
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One silent, September day...

France quietly changed power. Edouard Daladier was found dead in his bed, from arsenic poisoning. The French people, mourning his loss, were confused by the shifting world around. They wanted to return to the old ways, they wanted stability. They wanted nationalism.

Thus, Raphael Locke, canidate from the Nationalist Party, was elected President of France.

A grim specter hovered over Europe. That specter is fascism.

Closed Telegram to Italy

Dearest Benito,

We have used the ample time, and we have taken France. France will rise again to the Dominion of old, our kingdom across the world. Back to the days of Charlemange and Napoleon, and we extend our hands in glory. Of friendship. Our goals are one and the same. We must unite Europe under our banner.

However, I know that you trust Hitler, but I do not. He is a raving lunatic, and is a threat to our Europeon superiority. That Austrian must be controlled, as he would just as soon as betray us as he would destroy the Brits. I propose, that we wait when the time is right, and then we can attack him at all times. With the resources gained from the conquest, we can rule Europe.

With sincere tidings and regards,
President Raphael Locke

The regime change in France is the work of right-wing terrorists and the State of Israel refuses to recognize the new leader. Democratic elections must be held in France. The people have always been given the right to choose their leader and that right should stay with them today.

Secret Telegram To Israel

I think Insince the powers of France have shifted we should Position ships on the coast and be ready for a fight. We must send a delegate or leader to france to put some sence into the people and get rid of the corrupt government!

End of Telegram

SECRET TELEGRAM TO USSR
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we had an emergency meeting earlier today and decided on a plan to put France out of the war. what if they were to have problems of their own to deal with? we have decided to send 50'000 dollars to a group that i got in touch with claiming to be able to cause civil war. they say that they have over 5000 followers. they do appear to be telling the truth. Can you donate 20'000? that is what they need in order for them to organise properly. It is a small price to pay to put France out of the war. I trust them. They may be our only hope.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel
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End telegram

Secret Telegram To Israel
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I will Be happy to dontate the money for our cause. I will send 30'000 to France Imediately. I think we should organize a meeting beetween the Allies to be held in one of our countries, we need to discuss future plans for this war.

USSR
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To Mr. Pentephraxis;

I think it would be best for all involved if you would refrain from meddling in other's affairs.

M. Locke was elected by the people, and you refuse to recoginze him? Despite your general lunacy, we still recognize your state.

Secretary for Foreign Affairs Diego
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Telegram to France

We send condolenseces for your great loss of M. Daladier.

At the same time, we congratulate you, M. Locke, for your victory in the recent election. I am sure you will make a capable leader.

General F. Franco

Secret Telegram To Israel
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I will Be happy to dontate the money for our cause. I will send over 30'000 to France Imediately. I think we should organize a meeting beetween the Allies to be held in one of our countries, we need to discuss future plans for this war.

USSR
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SECRET TELEGRAM TO USSR
I agree and I think that it should be held in Israel. We have the tightest security on Earth and we will ensure that our building is at an undisclosed location which i will tell you before the meeting. Also i will post security guards with weapons all around the building. i will allow no entry for a week beforehand and will put up anti aircraft batteries. if there are any other precautions you think i should take then let me know.
the meeting will take place in ten days time.
Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel
Ally

To Mr. Pentephraxis;

I think it would be best for all involved if you would refrain from meddling in other's affairs.

M. Locke was elected by the people, and you refuse to recoginze him? Despite your general lunacy, we still recognize your state.

Secretary for Foreign Affairs Diego
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Telegram to France

We send condolenseces for your great loss of M. Daladier.

At the same time, we congratulate you, M. Locke, for your victory in the recent election. I am sure you will make a capable leader.

General F. Franco
Locke was NOT elected by the people. Daladier was murdered for a reason. Someone wished the French to join in the war. It is, ironic that the new leader happens to have close ties with the Spaniards and the Nazis. Unless you are claiming that about a day after he was murdered and already they have sorted elections and the results??? if not then it was not democratic.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel
Ally

Secret Telegram to Israel

Yes I am happy for it to be held in Israel. Should we get the USA and And Canada involved if we do we should really hold it in Canada/ American Territory for they are not a war ground.

USSR

Secret Telegram to Israel

Yes I am happy for it to be held in Israel. We just need to arrange a time and pllace.

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Secret Telegram to Ussr
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In ten days time (NS) we will meet in the Desert Sands Inn in Be'er Sheba and from there we will move to the undisclosed location.
we cannot be too cautious. we are four world leaders meeting together. The chance will be too good for terrorists or Nazis to pass up. We must act with top secrecy. TELL NO ONE. There are spies everywhere. i repeat, TELL NO ONE.

General Varis Lodd, Israel
Ally
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End telegram

Secret Telegram to Israel
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Very Well I am planning my escort to the meeting I have mapped out a secret route I will be taking to avoid violence. Notify me about a day before the meeting starts so i get there on time.

Prsident Kyle

USSR

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Secret telegram to USSR
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we still need to inform the US and Canada.
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End telegram

Secret Telegram To Israel
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Oh yes Nearly forgot

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Up in space, the Washington and the Jefferson launch their SCC Mk. II Lancers (hot rods) at the Japanese platforms. Heavy resistance is encountered; the ASC (anti-space craft) guns cut down 3 hot rods in the first pass. Beta Squadron, in its first pass, launches all of their anti-armour missiles at the first platform. It takes damage to its command center, antenna, and its ASC guns. However, Japanese hot rods come out to meet the American Lancers; while the squadrons are diverted from their initial attack, the second platform sends a distress message to Imperial Japan. It also launches its space based missiles at Singapore, southern China, and the area where the Soviet fleet is. The Washington sends off a signal to the Soviet fleet; they have a matter of minutes to get out of the way. As for the forces in Singapore, and the civilians in China, they have no choice but to brace for the missiles to impact (there's not enough time to evacuate). The hot rods are recalled (after dealing more damage to the first platform and its hot rods). Ground based American rocket forces are alerted to stand by for hostilities, and to aim their missiles at Japanese positions. After this battle, total space force strength of the United States stands at 2 fully operational platforms, and 45 operational fighters plus 2 with irrepairable damage done. Also, after this battle, the US sends telegrams to the other nations in the alliance (especially the USSR) to be ready for addtional space battles, and possibly ground conflicts (for the Soviets). Also addressed in the telegrams is the urgentness as to how the Allies will fight in a two front war, between the Japanese, and the European Fascists.

Secret Telegram to members of the Allies
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As I write Israel is preparing for a meeting between our nations.
Time is short and we are ready. Be at the Desert Sands Inn in Be'er Sheba at 5:00. from there we will proceed to the meeting point. TELL NO ONE. This meeting is top secret and no one will know what we discussed. Each nation must swear this. It could mean the difference between victory and defeat.
The purpose of this meeting will be to discuss tactics.

General Varis Lodd, Israel
Ally
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end telegram

Secret Telegram to Israel
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To ovoid Any foolish attack I have left early. I have been escorted to Israel and am here right now. Give me the que when to enter the hotel.

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Telegram To Isreal:
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I, the PM of Canada, have arrived in the Jewish State, give me the que when to arrive in the hotel...

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Telegram To Isreal:
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I, the PM of Canada, have arrived in the Jewish State, give me the que when to arrive in the hotel...

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End telegram
We await confirmation of the arrival of the U.S. I will keep you informed. in the meantime, get some rest.
As a thank you for showing up, i have booked you all presidential suites in a top-class hotel in Eilat.

President James Lowry has arrived at the hotel as well. He is dressed as a common citizen of this country, so be sure to escort him to his room. Give him the que to his room as well, please.

Secret Telegram to Allies
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i see you are all tired, sleep well. tommorow you will be picked up by my driver and me, we are in a white saloon. there are about two million in Israel so no one will know in which one we are. tommorow we will meet. do not call anyone, phones can be traced. good night.
Alquix Venvax, Home Office Minister
Ally
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End Telegram

President James Lowry has arrived at the hotel as well. He is dressed as a common citizen of this country, so be sure to escort him to his room. Give him the que to his room as well, please.
All done. good night.
any problems then let me know.
Alquix Venvax, Home Office Minister
Ally

President Kyle has also arrived at the hotel and will be ready in the morning.

Secret Telegram to Spain and France

Quickly! We must delay the attack on North Africa to take advantage of the American space Battle with Japn, although our Ally Japan is facing heavy losses, I belive we should sneak up behind on the american Space Station and destroy them, then proceed to wipe out the rest of their Space Forces, the combined powers of the three of us should be enough.

Please Wire back ASAP!

Also, remeber, if the solviets declare war, they still have to go through Germany to get to us, and the Biritsh have the Channel. tje Americans, the Atlantic ocean, right now we are sitting in our little protected Fortress of Europe!

-Edit, sent out in second TG-

Friend Spain and France, we now have Germany under control, on your responce, we shall crush the American space forces, and onto the domination of Europe, and finally, the world!

End Secret Telegram

Later that Day, in Berlin, the winds of fate changed the face of the Nazi party forever.

"Goebbels! I need you to have that Propoganda for the public ready by tommorow"

"Yes, Hitler"

"Also, the chef needs to be fired, this food was disgracefull, I could tell it was a little burned, but there was a tang I..."

There was a look of pain of his face, then shock, as he looked up at Goebbels.

"How... How..Could you...?" Hitler gasped

"There was no choice" Goebbels said calmly "You are an Egocentric fool who will lead the German people to destruction with the flaunting of your might, it will be I who wil elad the German peoples to victory!"

"They...They will never belive you...." Moaned Hitler

"Actually, they'll belive what I tell them to belive, remeber, I am your Propoganda minister, anyway, goodbye Adolf, may the worldnever remeber the way you lucked out into power." Said Goebbels, as he pulled out a Pistol and fired at him. The shot hit, and Hitler slumped over the table.

Goebbels turned around to see Hiemrich Himmler standing at the doorway, a look of rage over his face

"You will never get away with this!!" He Screamed

"I already have" Replyed Goebbels calmly, as he shot him too, and left the gun in the dead bodies hand.

***Public Message to the German People***

Goebbels stands in front of a podium, with Tears streaming from his eyes, he waivers for a moment before he speaks, and then begins:

"People of Mighty Germany. Today, is a sad day in our history, when our own leader, Adolf Hitler, was betrayed by one of his own. Today, Hitler was found shot dead in his room, autosies convirmed he was poisioned beforehand. Later investigation discovered the leader of the SS, Hiemrich Himmler, was the piurpitrator, he created a conspiracy with the chef of Hitlers "Last" meal to poision him, when the poision didn't act quickly enough, and he tried to escape, he shot him dead. After reflecting, and relizing what he had done, he went ahead to shoot himself.

Yes, let it be known that they are both dead, and today will forever be a day of mourning. But we must not let the German Government fall into Anarcy, is Hitlers personal will, it was discovered that he left leadership of the Nazi party, and effectivly the leadership of Germany, to me, so, as of this moment, I am your new leader, and I will lead Germany into a Glorious lFuture!"

The crowd erupts into cheers as Goebbels walks off, chants of Heil Furher Goebbels can be heard.

Second Secret message to Italy, dirceted from Germany
Mussilini, everything has gone accordingg to plan, I have succeded with the seizing the leadership of Germany, because of your help, I am at your disposal.
End Secret Telegram

OOC; ironically, in Real life, Hitler actually did leave leadership of Germany to Goebbels in his will, but it was never recognised by the occupying Allied Forces.

Secret Telegram to Spain and France

Quickly! We must delay the attack on North Africa to take advantage of the American space Battle with Japn, although our Ally Japan is facing heavy losses, I belive we should sneak up behind on the american Space Station and destroy them, then proceed to wipe out the rest of their Space Forces, the combined powers of the three of us should be enough.

Please Wire back ASAP!

Also, remeber, if the solviets declare war, they still have to go through Germany to get to us, and the Biritsh have the Channel. tje Americans, the Atlantic ocean, right now we are sitting in our little protected Fortress of Europe!

End Secret Telegram

Later that Day, in Berlin, the winds of fate changed the face of the Nazi party forever.

"Goebbels! I need you to have that Propoganda for the public ready by tommorow"

"Yes, Hitler"

"Also, the chef needs to be fired, this food was disgracefull, I could tell it was a little burned, but there was a tang I..."

There was a look of pain of his face, then shock, as he looked up at Goebbels.

"How... How..Could you...?" Hitler gasped

"There was no choice" Goebbels said calmly "You are an Egocentric fool who will lead the German people to destruction with the flaunting of your might, it will be I who wil elad the German peoples to victory!"

"They...They will never belive you...." Moaned Hitler

"Actually, they'll belive what I tell them to belive, remeber, I am your Propoganda minister, anyway, goodbye Adolf, may the worldnever remeber the way you lucked out into power." Said Goebbels, as he pulled out a Pistol and fired at him. The shot hit, and Hitler slumped over the table.

Goebbels turned around to see Hiemrich Himmler standing at the doorway, a look of rage over his face

"You will never get away with this!!" He Screamed

"I already have" Replyed Goebbels calmly, as he shot him too, and left the gun in the dead bodies hand.
nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
i wanted to kill Hitler. can you please send the body over to us for mutilation, cremation and anything else we see fit to do to him.
thank you very much.
your enemy,

Israel

The regime change in France is the work of right-wing terrorists and the State of Israel refuses to recognize the new leader. Democratic elections must be held in France. The people have always been given the right to choose their leader and that right should stay with them today.
I am for one extremely offended by this state that has yet to truly establish themselve calling us a rogue nation. Eduoard Daladier's death has been confirmed a suicide. The pressure of the war, the death of his wife, and the growing dissent of his corrupt administration drove him to insanity. We in France mourn his death greatly.

I have won by majortiy, in a fair election, against three opponents. France wants me as their leader.

You accuse me of being allied with the Spaniards, the Italians, and the Germans. I am not a member of this Axis in Europe. I support strong nationalistic policy, but I am not war mongering. You are just a petty, unorganized, filthy Zionist who can't keep his damn mouth shut when he needs to learn his place. On this minute, I will state my intentions clear, I am far from being a supporter of your Zion movement, but I still recognize your sovereignty.

To gain respect, you must give others the respect you desire.
- From the desk of President Raphael Locke

[OOC: A few notes. Eduoard Daladier did actually commit suicide, though suspicion is wanted. Locke did in fact win fairly, the French people want a stronger sense of nationalism. And France has historically been anti-semitic, so don't expect Locke to take you seriously unless you stop acting like a child (in his eyes) and become a responsible nation.]

OOC: Der Volk, how many Hot rods do I have?

Secret Telegram to Italy
Indeed, we must capitalize this situation. I have ordered the Mola and Sanjurjo to ready their hot rod detachments.

We will soon rule the heavens.

Closed Telegram to the Axis

As you may or may not know, France has one of the most advanced and powerful of the atmospheric technology. Our corsairs [hot rods] are some of the top notch of Martian technology, we have learned in part how to control their heat rays to create a devastating, if unreliable weapon. If you wish to strike the US, I ask you to wait only two more months. Instead, we must protect our eastern ally in the Empire of Japan. I call for a meeting here in France of the Axis. We will meet and finally concot a long term plan. We are weak in the East, but strong in the West. I protect us from Britain, Spain protects us from the US, Germany from the USSR, and Italy from those Zionist pigs. I will be officially joining the Axis as soon as the Grand Work gets into motion.

We are also working on new space technology, capable of long distance travel and anti-station warfare. The Void Runner squadron is conducting prototype tests of these "frigates", and the Axis may win the void through my shared technology.

Japan, you are indeed the most persecuted of our number, I suggest after the meeting we send aid to you the most, you are the most isolated of our Axis and require military assistance. Please reply with all comments and concerns, we must set the plan in motion before the Allies gain the advantage.

With sincerest regards,
President Raphael Locke, France

I am for one extremely offended by this state that has yet to truly establish themselve calling us a rogue nation. Eduoard Daladier's death has been confirmed a suicide. The pressure of the war, the death of his wife, and the growing dissent of his corrupt administration drove him to insanity. We in France mourn his death greatly.

I have won by majortiy, in a fair election, against three opponents. France wants me as their leader.

You accuse me of being allied with the Spaniards, the Italians, and the Germans. I am not a member of this Axis in Europe. I support strong nationalistic policy, but I am not war mongering. You are just a petty, unorganized, filthy Zionist who can't keep his damn mouth shut when he needs to learn his place. On this minute, I will state my intentions clear, I am far from being a supporter of your Zion movement, but I still recognize your sovereignty.

To gain respect, you must give others the respect you desire.
- From the desk of President Raphael Locke

[OOC: A few notes. Eduoard Daladier did actually commit suicide, though suspicion is wanted. Locke did in fact win fairly, the French people want a stronger sense of nationalism. And France has historically been anti-semitic, so don't expect Locke to take you seriously unless you stop acting like a child (in his eyes) and become a responsible nation.]
OOC"You are just a petty, unorganized, filthy Zionist who can't keep his damn mouth shut when he needs to learn his place"
Watch it. some things you do not say whether in RP or not, if those are your views then keep them to yourselves. If you want a war then let me know. i'm not going anywhere.

You claim that Locke won fairly and yet it seems suspicious. the new president was announced in the same report as the old one's death. proper elections should take about a week not a minute. anyway we shall assume for now that you tell the truth. the other point is that you claim not to be allied with the German Government and yet you are both Nazis. If your intentions are for war then know that we shall focus all our energies on destroying you. for now, we have had enough of this talk of war.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel
Ally

[b]and Italy from those Zionist pigs.[/i]
watch your mouth. those comments are being saved and at the end of this you will be reported to the mods. this was a friendly RP. that kind of comment is NOT welcome.

OOC"You are just a petty, unorganized, filthy Zionist who can't keep his damn mouth shut when he needs to learn his place"
Watch it. some things you do not say whether in RP or not, if those are your views then keep them to yourselves. If you want a war then let me know. i'm not going anywhere.

You claim that Locke won fairly and yet it seems suspicious. the new president was announced in the same report as the old one's death. proper elections should take about a week not a minute. anyway we shall assume for now that you tell the truth. the other point is that you claim not to be allied with the German Government and yet you are both Nazis. If your intentions are for war then know that we shall focus all our energies on destroying you. for now, we have had enough of this talk of war.

Cowlquape Pentephraxis
Foreign Affairs Minister, Israel
Ally

[OOC: I am nothing like Raphael Locke. I am in fact a leftist and Marxist, and believe in relgiious nad ethnic freedom. But I was just playing hte part. And I didn't make it clear. They didn't immediately elect Raphael. Eduoard was the main opponent of Raphael, but when he died nationalistic feelings rose and so did the Nationalist party's support. I should have said "A few weeks later."

The Nationalist party is not Nationalist Socialists, or the Nazis. They aren't Socialists for one. They do not preach a holocaust, a Third Reich. THey are much more like the Italian fascists, except promoting much more on the French state nationalism, and the pride one should have in a nation.

And France is not declaring war, it is saying you are foolish and brash for making such a statement. Its an insult, not a declaration of war.]

[OOC: I am nothing like Raphael Locke. I am in fact a leftist and Marxist, and believe in relgiious nad ethnic freedom. But I was just playing hte part. And I didn't make it clear. They didn't immediately elect Raphael. Eduoard was the main opponent of Raphael, but when he died nationalistic feelings rose and so did the Nationalist party's support. I should have said "A few weeks later."

The Nationalist party is not Nationalist Socialists, or the Nazis. They aren't Socialists for one. They do not preach a holocaust, a Third Reich. THey are much more like the Italian fascists, except promoting much more on the French state nationalism, and the pride one should have in a nation.

And France is not declaring war, it is saying you are foolish and brash for making such a statement. Its an insult, not a declaration of war.]

OOC whatever it was, DON'T. Racist comments will not be tolerated and will result in war.

watch your mouth. those comments are being saved and at the end of this you will be reported to the mods. this was a friendly RP. that kind of comment is NOT welcome.
[OOC: Have you ever heard of Communist Mississippi? They do that all the time. And the guy behind it actually believes it. This is playing a role, I am not preaching Jewish genocide, but wait a minute, this is WWII. Anti-semitism is behind German policy, its hard not to go by it. Raphael is an anti-semitist, and he is expressing his feelings because you blatantly insulted him. I do not mean offense, none of this is OOC,]

[OOC: Have you ever heard of Communist Mississippi? They do that all the time. And the guy behind it actually believes it. This is playing a role, I am not preaching Jewish genocide, but wait a minute, this is WWII. Anti-semitism is behind German policy, its hard not to go by it. Raphael is an anti-semitist, and he is expressing his feelings because you blatantly insulted him. I do not mean offense, none of this is OOC,]
OOC Trust me, i could list five pages over my feelings about the French and the Germans, but i don't because it's a sensitive issue. You can proceed without the insults i'm sure.

And i know about CM but he has never insulted ME. You did. biiiiig difference.

And i know about CM but he has never insulted ME. You did. biiiiig difference.
[OOC: Oh, so when your own character is insulted, it is travesty, but when CM declares that all jews are paedophiles, homosexual, satanic conspiracists its okay. And he does that IC and OOC. I only did it IC.]

ooc: can we get back to the war! Just stop the racial comments and all that stuff.I'm not taking sides on this argument or anything.

OOC: I'm going to have to agree with Hadula.
Now let's just calm down.

[OOC: Oh, so when your own character is insulted, it is travesty, but when CM declares that all jews are paedophiles, homosexual, satanic conspiracists its okay. And he does that IC and OOC. I only did it IC.]
did I say it's ok??? no. but i'm not going to send him a telegram saying, "Hadula said that you're being nasty to Jews, please stop" am I??? you on the other hand are here, i've seen the comments you've made and i'm commenting. Democratic right to free speech it's called.
now if you'll excuse me in Israel 2:15 am so i'm going to sleep.

[OOC: I agree, back to the war, I am just not happy about the possibility of being deleted because of an IC comment. I am sorry if it offended anyone OOC, I was attempting to keep it in context and IC. I won't do it again if it is that bad.

But anyway, back to the conflict at hand. So, lets see the replies to my telegram then...]

How r winners decided by the way? :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mad: :mad:

How r winners decided by the way? :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mad: :mad:
[OOC: Intelligence... Draining... ARGH!]

((Nice first post.))

Secret Telegram to France

I am a bit weary of postponing our attack on US space forces, though a meeting of our allied nations is important.

I am ready to depart for France immediately. If we could start this meeting soon, I would like to attack the American space forces by the end of the month.

Regards,
General F. Franco

((Nice first post.))

Secret Telegram to France

I am a bit weary of postponing our attack on US space forces, though a meeting of our allied nations is important.

I am ready to depart for France immediately. If we could start this meeting soon, I would like to attack the American space forces by the end of the month.

Regards,
General F. Franco
Indeed. However, now is not the time the US is weakest. We must call o n the war-weary of the nation. I fwe wait until they think they have won, and they are coming home to reach ttheir family, our forces strike both in space and where they have their heart.

A clever warrior does not strike at body or mind, but at the heart.

Secret Telegram to the Allied Forces
The United States government wishes to make two propistions. They are very risky ones, and could result in great danger (even more so) for all nations involved. First, the US government thinks that a preemptive strike on the Axis space forces should be paramount. Though this may be a risky assumption on our part, the US government thinks it wise to take out potential threats; we know that they are up to something, plus the government has intel about a French secret weapon, the heat ray, and a space frigate development program.

The second propistion concerns a new feat in physics, chemistry, and engineering. We call it "the gadget". The US government representatives to each Allied country are under orders to only speak of it in detail in private, and nothing shall be recorded. Our representatives will meet with each nation's government, and will elaborate on "the gadget" for the benefit of all.

Please, each Allied country, let the US government know of potential interest in each proposition made above. We believe they are the only ways to deal with the current conflict.

President James Lowry

End telegram

Secret Telegram to the Axis
I agree with the French, we shall give them their two months, and then we shall strike, both in space and on land, we shall have Germany push into Poland and Czeclosovacia (sp?) and onward to Russian territories, then a Combined Italian/Spanish force will attack North Africa, and all of the European land powers convirging on US Space assets.

Yes, it will be a marvelous time indeed.

Also, as for the convrence, I agree, lets have it take place in "Neutral" France, and plan our attack with our Isolated Axis Japan, it will bring a counter-balance to a similar confrence the Allies are no doubt conducting somewhere...
End Secret Telegram

Secret Telegram to the Axis
We will wait the two months, and eagerly await our upcoming summit.

Gen. Franco

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i appreciate the effort you all made in turning up and now we'll start the meeting.
America has considered a pre-emptive strike. there are both pros and cons to this. If we attack then the French will accuse us of warmongering and may join the Axis. On the other hand the situation is becoming ever more dangerous and if we do not act now then there is a good chance they will attack us. Therefore I believe that we SHOULD launch a pre-emptive strike. The question is, where??? i would suggest Japan, they are cut off from europe and are the smallest nation. Also, they have already begun attacking civilian countries.
Do you think that your ships have the range to reach Tokyo??? if so then we should attack from all fronts. Send in our bombers, our ships and also launch missiles. No tanks or infantry yet because there is no need to risk them. what do you think??? a full assualt on their capital.
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Allied Nations Secret Meeting
If we do go ahead with as assault on Japan, we would contribute most of our space, rocket, air, and naval forces. The United States government thinks that it is a good idea, as it will help weaken the Axis, and reduce our theatres of operations to the Europe/Africa area only.
Also, if the assault is given the go-ahead, a vital piece of intel must be shared. The US has one working copy of "the gadget", and we would like to explain what it is to you all, in the hopes of it being acceptable in present situations (such as the assault on Japan).

Allied Secret Meeting

I believe attacking Japan will benefit us greatly. Japan is isolated from the rest of Europe, the axis will have to come to Japan's aid some time, thus taking them off matters in space and any future invasions. I am offering perhaps sending troops into the country so that we can hit more than the coast.
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Secret Message to the Axis
Then it is settled. Please arrive as clandestine as possible in Versailles, where we can discuss the Great Work that we will sow in Europe.

Your talk of an Ally secret meeting disturbs me. It would be quite coincidental if we met att he same time. Maybe it is truly fate that conspires to bring this Conflict that we face, friends. Arrive as soon as possible, so we may compare notes a collaborate. Already, I think we may know the Allies' worst weakness.

And I plan on exploiting it.

With sincerest regards,
President Raphael Locke, France

-Secret Axis Meeting in France-

The Representative from Germany and Italy arrived first in the designated meeting point for the axis summit, they had much to discuss, with the first and foremost being how to help Japan before it is crushed, and without overextending the invasion force being prepared. Heinz Flamershmit and Lucio Moretti sat down at a table in an undisclosed location, meeting stares with the current President of France, they silently awaited the arrival of the other Representatives.

-End Secret meeting-

-Secret Axis Meeting in France-

The Representative from Germany and Italy arrived first in the designated meeting point for the axis summit, they had much to discuss, with the first and foremost being how to help Japan before it is crushed, and without overextending the invasion force being prepared. Heinz Flamershmit and Lucio Moretti sat down at a table in an undisclosed location, meeting stares with the current President of France, they silently awaited the arrival of the other Representatives.

-End Secret meeting-
Locke, deciding to come himself, was a very calculating man, his gryed hair was slightly spotty, his beard seemingly unkempt and unmanaged. Wearing a gray, formal suit, he folded his arms. His eyes were a deep color, but in the shadowy room that htey were located in, it was hard to tell. The summit was planned to be three parts, to keep clandestine. The first part (day) of the summit was to be in Versailles, then to Avingon, and finally the last day of the summit was to be in Paris, in which the Axis was to write an oath and treaty of loyalty for the glorification of Europe and Asia as one.

The issues to be talked about in the first part of the summit were current issues, such as Japan, the French spatial technology, German rocketal research, how to act now, and other such pressing issues.

The second day was to discuss long term plans and goals of the Axis. What to do AFTER the war. How will the Axis cooperate? What will be the exact goal of this war? What will we do we Europe and Asia after conquest? Other such long-term issues were to be discussed on this part of the summit.

And on the third and last day, all issues will have been answered and reolved, and all tenents of this Axis will be signed in paper and ink, and make our alliance clear and plain when we are ready in the next two months. After this, we will be the greatest power in the world.

Francisco Franco entered the meeting, with a short aide. Franco had a neatly trimmed mustache, and his hair still retained all of it's color. He wore a brown unifrom. Taking a seat, he noted all of the representatives were present--Except, of course, for Japan.

Up in space, a number of construction workers begin to refit a missile on the Washington. No one, not even the workers, knows why. They are under orders just to do it quickly and carefully. The Jefferson is on full alert, as are its SCC Mk II Lancers. The missile must be refitted, and launched against the Axis powers if necessary. If the refit is interrupted, then it will set back the Allied cause.

*secret meeting*
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Spies in Versailles have reported that the axis leaders were spotted there today. It is no coincidence. They must be planning the war. We must move quickly. I believe that the navy, Air force and missiles of all of us should suffice to destroy Tokyo. Can your ships reach Tokyo??? I believe we should stike quickly. Our targets are all government cotrolled buildings and also some other targets of... interest. We also need to destroy their barracks and ports/airports. With their military targets destroyed they will be so weak as to be of no interest to the Nazis. I have sent my entire fleet, including ten new Soviet subs. Also our silos are ready to fire at a moment's notice. Lastly our airpower will also be deployed.
however we should not stay without defenses, our infantry shall remain behind and we have fifty patrol boats, another fifty have been sent to the USSR for purposes of this mission. If America and Canada could help each other with defense it would be great.
General Varis Lodd, Israel
Ally
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The modifications to the Washington's main missile have been completed. Now, "the gadget" will make this a new generation of missile, and with it, usher in a new era of warfare. In a telegram today to the Allied Forces, the US government asked permission to deploy this missile, by itself, to Tokyo, if Tokyo is to be attacked.
Also, the US have received intelligence that the Empire of Japan is planning to launch a massive attack on the two United States space platforms. One Japanese platform has taken massive damage. However, the Japanese may be trying to board one of the US platforms, so the US requests additional protection during the next couple weeks.

Thank you very much.

President James Lowry

Secret Meeting in France

Lucio stood up as he watched the Spanish leader come in and take his place, he cleared his throat and started thusly:

"First of all, I wish to appologise for the Absence of Goebbles and Mussilini, if we had realized that it was a summit of leaders, then they would have met in person, but they had other pressing matters to atend to, signing of treaties, delorations of peace, etc. Second of all, Italy and Germany would like to thank France for putting its safety on the line by hosting this summit. We must move quickly, reports are coming in that there have been alterations on the Washington Cruiser in space, they must be up to something, also with the US forces tied up with Japan, I belive that we need to throw caution to the wind and assult their two stations, I wish we could give France more time, but if the US can regroup their Spatial assets, they will be much more difficult to overcome them."

He cleared his throat again

"Now, as for the matter of Japan, we are coming up with blanks on how we could assist them, they are being pounded into dust, and we are helpless to watch it happen. We cannot ship forces, as the Island is blocaded, nor can we send finacial aid, we are hoping that either of you have been able to come up with a solution. Also, Italy and Germany can now be considered one, we have signed agreements that makes us virtually one administration, Centered in Rome, so the Italians have dominace. We have plans to invade Poland and neighbouring countries, to eventually push into the USSR and their Valuble Oil fields, this will cripple that aspect of the allies and allow us to focus more on Britian, the US, and the Troublesome Isreal. I know I am just rehashing what we have been sending Telegrams on, but this is are plan, and I am anxious to hear what you two have to offer..."

With that Lucio sat down

End Secret Meeting

Later that night, secret orders, untraceable orders, are received in the operations room aboard the Washington. No one knows why, but the orders are given to launch the altered missile straight at Japan's major ground-based spaceports/rocket stations (all within a 50 mile radius). There are no Allied troops there, so no warning is given. The missile is launched, and proceeds as normal down to the target. However, what it delivers...is different then anything the world has ever seen.
A giant fireball engulfs that part of Japan; everything within 50 miles is instantly vapourised; within 50 more, there is extensive damage. The Japanese ground based rocket/space force is down for the count. All that needs to be done now is to mop them up in space.
Still, no one knew where the orders came from (just very high up). However, most are too stunned to care.

(OOC: Witness, my friends, the first orbital nuclear-tipped missile!)

Later that night, secret orders, untraceable orders, are received in the operations room aboard the Washington. No one knows why, but the orders are given to launch the altered missile straight at Japan's major ground-based spaceports/rocket stations (all within a 50 mile radius). There are no Allied troops there, so no warning is given. The missile is launched, and proceeds as normal down to the target. However, what it delivers...is different then anything the world has ever seen.
A giant fireball engulfs that part of Japan; everything within 50 miles is instantly vapourised; within 50 more, there is extensive damage. The Japanese ground based rocket/space force is down for the count. All that needs to be done now is to mop them up in space.
Still, no one knew where the orders came from (just very high up). However, most are too stunned to care.

(OOC: Witness, my friends, the first orbital nuclear-tipped missile!)
[OOC: Whoah, want one minute, what happened to research? THe Manhattan Project?]

Later that night, secret orders, untraceable orders, are received in the operations room aboard the Washington. No one knows why, but the orders are given to launch the altered missile straight at Japan's major ground-based spaceports/rocket stations (all within a 50 mile radius). There are no Allied troops there, so no warning is given. The missile is launched, and proceeds as normal down to the target. However, what it delivers...is different then anything the world has ever seen.
A giant fireball engulfs that part of Japan; everything within 50 miles is instantly vapourised; within 50 more, there is extensive damage. The Japanese ground based rocket/space force is down for the count. All that needs to be done now is to mop them up in space.
Still, no one knew where the orders came from (just very high up). However, most are too stunned to care.

(OOC: Witness, my friends, the first orbital nuclear-tipped missile!)

*secret meeting*
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Israel have begun to bombard Tokyo with our ships. Earlier today while most were still sleeping, Israeli planes flew over Japanese military targets. they released bombs over three seperate barracks near the Tokyo area. The ships razed a port earlier and destroyed the fishing ships nearby. Also, by pure luck one of the missiles bound for the government targets in the city missed quite badly and destroyed a runway in the Tokyo airport. the Terminal and all the planes weren't damaged but the runway will have to be rebuilt.
General Varis Lodd, Israel
Ally
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One of Locke's aides came and broke the news in Tokyo to him. Locke looked troubled, and then stood up to speak. Locke spoke quietly, and hesistantly. You could tell he had doubt and was sincerely regretting the decision.

"Friends and allies of Europe, but I can only suggest one course of action.

We must desist completely from Japan. We cannot help them, we can only give our moral support. But mark my words, these bastards will die for the wrongs they have commited to our Eastern brothers. This horrid atrocity can only be met with another, and I have had it with the Allies. I will make it clear, we will avenge our Japanese allies."

With that, he motioned for his aide to come.

"Activate the Charlemange, and aim for New York City. One atrocity will be met with another. Evacuate all non-essential personnel from the Charlemange, the CRONUS cannon will overload the station and destroy it. So it must be abandoned. However, we will get our revenge. They will die.

Friends of the allies, we must strike swift and hard on the Allies. I am now ordering my Charlemange station personnel to activate our secret weapon, the Martian heat ray technology that creates the CRONUS cannon. It will incinerate all of New York City, leaving nothing behind but ash. This is the response we give to our American enemy for this horrible injustice they have enacted on the Japanese.

If any of you object to this course of action, quickly say so, as we need to know now. We must attack now, there can be no wait. This means war."

*secret telegram to Allies*
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We have recieved intelligence of an attack on NYC. We don't know whether it will be planes, ships or infantry but we will be ready. ready your AA guns, alert the ports and send people to every entrance of the city. We believe it will be retaliation on Japan. One small thing, my spy has reported that the French are the ones attacking, despite promising neutrality. I should never have believed Locke. I apologise.
General Varis Lodd, Israel
Ally
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*end secret telegram*

OOC: You do have good intelligence, don't you?

Franco stood.

"I have no qualms about attacking New York.

"Interesting, though, isn't? The Allies talked so much about us Europeans starting a war. But instead, they force our hand with an atrocity."

OOC: You do have good intelligence, don't you?

Franco stood.

"I have no qualms about attacking New York.

"Interesting, though, isn't? The Allies talked so much about us Europeans starting a war. But instead, they force our hand with an atrocity."
OOC Israel has the best intelligence in the world.

We have not forced your hand. The Japanese attacked China and Singapore, killing innocent civilians therefore we are well within our rights to retaliate and we do not regret it. So far the Axis haven't done anything so we have no reason to attack you. our quarrel was with Japan and THEY forced OUR hand.
Any attack on NYC will be met with violent resistance.
General Varis Lodd, Israel
Ally

p.s We have declared war on France. They promised us neutrality and then they went behind our backs to the Axis. That is unnaceptable.

*secret telegram to USSR*
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The money you sent me for the group who have promised us civil war in France has been sent.
They are the best hope of putting France out of the war.
I do not believe that the people of France wanted war and I do not believe Locke.
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OOC: Franco said that in the Axis meeting, not a public announcement.

OOC: Franco said that in the Axis meeting, not a public announcement.
OOC: then you have to say that it was in the meeting. like this.
*secret meeting* that way i'll know that it isn't public knowledge.

Secret Telegram to the Allied Forces
The United States government has taken the liberty of arrangening this strike on Japanese forces. Though it may cost us, we belive it was worth it, as most of Japan's air and space capability is disabled. What we deployed on our missile was "the gadeget", aka the atomic warhead, working by principals of nuclear fission. It was our latest endeavour, and we had been working for 4 years already. After the Invasion, we thought we could duplicate the alien "explosive-metal bombs". It seems we were succesful, however they can't be mass produced for now, as we've only got 2 piles running (1 melted down in the New Mexico desert shortly after being built). We should like to hope that our first strike benefitted, not hindered, the Allied cause.

Officially
The US fortifies NYC, but mostly with anti-air units, and only a couple hundred infranty/tanks/artillery, believing that nothing could get through the anti-air web. Citizens go into bombshelters (public or their own) that could defend from an orbital projectile. Also, defenses are stepped up on US Pacific holdings, as well as the West Coast. Although it is unlikely that the Japanese will launch a counter attack, the US government has recieved intel that it may happen in the next couple days. Also, the US government is willing to discuss plans for war against France (or any other European Axis nation) if necessary.

OOC: I'll be away for most of today ('til about 9 or 10 PM GMT).

Later that night, secret orders, untraceable orders, are received in the operations room aboard the Washington. No one knows why, but the orders are given to launch the altered missile straight at Japan's major ground-based spaceports/rocket stations (all within a 50 mile radius). There are no Allied troops there, so no warning is given. The missile is launched, and proceeds as normal down to the target. However, what it delivers...is different then anything the world has ever seen.
A giant fireball engulfs that part of Japan; everything within 50 miles is instantly vapourised; within 50 more, there is extensive damage. The Japanese ground based rocket/space force is down for the count. All that needs to be done now is to mop them up in space.
Still, no one knew where the orders came from (just very high up). However, most are too stunned to care.

(OOC: Witness, my friends, the first orbital nuclear-tipped missile!)

OOC

That warhead was far too powerful for reality.

Look at http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Nuke.html

Taking your 100 mile radius of extensive damage as the "air blast radius (widespread destruction)" field (4.6psi overpressure) in the calculator, you need a 12 gigaton device to achieve a 160km radius!

This is so far beyond a practical warhead size as to be ridiculous.

Have a look at the effects of a 20 kiloton (.02 megaton) weapon, which is comparable to the Nagasaki device in RL.

OOC

That warhead was far too powerful for reality.

Look at http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Nuke.html

Taking your 100 mile radius of extensive damage as the "air blast radius (widespread destruction)" field (4.6psi overpressure) in the calculator, you need a 12 gigaton device to achieve a 160km radius!

This is so far beyond a practical warhead size as to be ridiculous.

Have a look at the effects of a 20 kiloton (.02 megaton) weapon, which is comparable to the Nagasaki device in RL.

OOC: As someone who thought that WW2 would have been better with aliens in submarines you'll forgive me for not taking you seriously. No offense but if you aren't a participating nation then please don't post. Note that i am being polite.