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Yeah, because you stole them from the people who lived there first. Do you have any morals, CM? Any at all?

One day they might. It's up to you to remove the reason for them to do so! All I ask is that you not build arms factories there. That is all.

Yeah, because you stole them from the people who lived there first. Do you have any morals, CM? Any at all?


OOC: Do you know what living space is? You cannot deny CM needed living space. We've got it, we're done, accept it, move on.

For heaven's sake AMF, look at the reality will you? I'm saying that he has no need to effectively make these places self-contained military bases. Don't you see the danger in them being so?


Watch your tone.

There is not much we can do about the territory that CM has taken. It is under his rule now, patrolled by his military, and if we attempt to 'give it back' to it's former owner you know damn well a fight to the death is going to take place.

Technically the land is his now, and he has the right to build what he wants on it. HOWEVER, the Excessively Armed Empire is more concerned with CM's movements and aggressions. CM can build what they want on their 'new territory', but The Destroyer has made it known to all that if CM embarks on any first strike military crusade, we will mow them down, end of story.

All we can do now is watch and wait for CM to slip up. You cannot undo the past, and you can't just make the government of CM give back the land because you know damn well they won't. If you really want to go in and stop CM from building weapons factories, then you do so without NATO's support.

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OOC: Do you know what living space is? You cannot deny CM needed living space. We've got it, we're done, accept it, move on.

OOC: I don't see Weyreans or New Yorkers going out to colonize upstate New York...Quite honestly, CM has agred that no more expansion will take place, and if CM does invade neighbours, he will be looking down the barrel of NATO's guns, so IMO, the whole thing is really over...

Then, sir, I must stand without you. It saddens me, but it is necessary.

Watch your tone.

There is not much we can do about the territory that CM has taken. It is under his rule now, patrolled by his military, and if we attempt to 'give it back' to it's former owner you know damn well a fight to the death is going to take place.

Technically the land is his now, and he has the right to build what he wants on it. HOWEVER, the Excessively Armed Empire is more concerned with CM's movements and aggressions. CM can build what they want on their 'new territory', but The Destroyer has made it known to all that if CM embarks on any first strike military crusade, we will mow them down, end of story.

All we can do now is watch and wait for CM to slip up. You cannot undo the past, and you can't just make the government of CM give back the land because you know damn well they won't. If you really want to go in and stop CM from building weapons factories, then you do so without NATO's support.

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Ooc: I'd like to point out we did even create "Arabian Libya" for the arabs of Libya to live free in peace in their own land. But then other nations started sending swarms of troops there to "help" them. We are not out for aggression. As I've said before, I've realized more land = more need for garrisons = resources stretch thin. That is why Angola fell to the guerilla armies.

Then, sir, I must stand without you. It saddens me, but it is necessary.

Good luck then, NATO's business with Communist Mississippi here is done. This is now between you and them.

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Ooc: I'd like to point out we did even create "Arabian Libya" for the arabs of Libya to live free in peace in their own land. But then other nations started sending swarms of troops there to "help" them. We are not out for aggression. As I've said before, I've realized more land = more need for garrisons = resources stretch thin. That is why Angola fell to the guerilla armies.


OOC: Please try and stay In Character.

OOC: Sorry to interject, but: The force there is composed of Brothers in Arms troops. Use of them has to be decided by the BiA itself, as far as I know. Added to which they are outnumbered about 2:1 if not more. We can hardly be said to be aggressive.

One last thing.

This was not a NATO operation. It was not approved, planned, or executed by any NATO member state acting under the auspices of the NATO charter.

I an I alone am responsible for these actions.

NATO, despite what people may think, is a genuinely fine alliance with the objective of preserving peace. My objective here, hard to believe as it is, is to preserve peace. Nonetheless, this was not NATO's action.

Do not judge NATO by me.

Thankyou.

Official diplomatic telegram has been sent to the AMF government.

OOC: DPUO, make a new thread for this.

IC: We fully support this treaty, and ask DPOU to accept that CM will not half arms production, and should they break the treaty, NATO would easily defeat them. During the attack arms factories would be destoryed, and CM would be a shadow of it's former self.

This has been dealt with elsewhere. The issue is - for now - resolved. I give it four days before yet another one rears its head.

This has been dealt with elsewhere. The issue is - for now - resolved. I give it four days before yet another one rears its head.


Ooc: You mean before you go loony and start whining at me for my soldiers smoking too much, or drinking too much on leave, or walking the wrong way. You're an unreasonable lunatic and I'm digging my heels into the ground, you push me no further. I've been more than reasonable, you speak of appeasement, it is I who appeases you! But no more! I will not let you push down a Versailles upon CM!

OOC: DPUO, make a new thread for this.

IC: We fully support this treaty, and ask DPOU to accept that CM will not half arms production, and should they break the treaty, NATO would easily defeat them. During the attack arms factories would be destoryed, and CM would be a shadow of it's former self.


OOC: NATO is no longer involved. This is between DPUO and CM now.

OOC: Then CM shall perish. I do not expand my borders, and I don't actually want a war over this or anything else, purely for the cost of it. But you just push me again, CM, and see what happens. Who knows...my finger could easily slip onto that button. And incidentally, if not allowing you to turn your conquests into satellite states with arms factories in them at least partially worked by slave labour - for I do not doubt that it what the arab workers will have to endure - makes me a loony (and you could do with a vocab lesson too by the way) then yes, yes I am. You're sailing very close to the wind indeed.

THen CM shall perish. I do not expand. But you just push me again, CM, and see what happens. Who knows...my finger could easily slip onto that button. And incidentally, if not allowing you to turn your conquests into satellite states with arms factories in them at least partially worked by slave labour - for I do not doubt that it what the arab workers will have to endure - then yes, yes I am. You're sailing very close to the wind indeed.



The governor general of Mississippian Egypt (Our only nation in North Africa with a non-white population) was Donald Stahlecker, did you miss the part where he was sacked and the liberal from Seryown was allowed to become governor-general? 90% of all factory jobs are done by whites... The whites don't like labor competition so slavery is certainly out! Why hire whites when you can use slaves? Involuntary labor is banned by CM and Commonwealth law in all the territories, except as punishment for felonies (hard labor) and misdemeanors (community service type labor). Anyway, in Mississippian Egypt, all people are treated equally under the law. Separate, but equal.


Ooc: Note I said we ban involuntary labor, we don't consider forced participation in eugenics programs to be labor.

OOC: Oh, how wonderful of you. The day will come, and come soon, where you will pay, CM. Soon indeed.

OOC: Oh, how wonderful of you. The day will come, and come soon, where you will pay, CM. Soon indeed.


Ooc: You're a warmongering lunatic! I've bent over backwards to attempt to please you and the world. The world has been pleased, you however are not. You won't be pleased until you've started a world war and wrecked the planet. I think you're a nut case! The arms factory issues wasn't even an issue until you pressured Sevaris to threaten to shut Gibraltar to me. You make these problems, when I attempt to cope, you condemn me.

I'm not saying that I will make you pay. Or anyone for that matter. Just that you will have to, one day. And by the way, Sevaris did that without my even knowing about it. As a matter of fact, I had the idea of blockade from observing his actions. *Sigh* Oh, the troubles of empire eh?

Matter resolved. If you want to continue, start another thread for goodness sake. This childish banter is not what anyone want, or expected. CM has signed the treaty. NATO will punish them if they break it. Leave their arms factories alone. They have just as much right as anyone else to hoard weapons. I am not especially keen on CM, but I don't threaten them with war, or moan. They will not close the factories, so accept it. If you aren't going to use war, at least do it like adults. Don't just throw insults. If you acctually want to continue the matter START A NEW POST. Ok?

Matter resolved. If you want to continue, start another thread for goodness sake. This childish banter is not what anyone want, or expected. CM has signed the treaty. NATO will punish them if they break it. Leave their arms factories alone. They have just as much right as anyone else to hoard weapons. I am not especially keen on CM, but I don't threaten them with war, or moan. They will not close the factories, so accept it. If you aren't going to use war, at least do it like adults. Don't just throw insults. If you acctually want to continue the matter START A NEW POST. Ok?


IC: I already stopped the construction of the factories in Africa because that is how much I want to maintain peace.

Ooc: I'll just build all the weapons I need in North America. Everything works out fine.

DPUO, you keep threatening the use of nuclear weapons. I will now threaten with use of nuclear weapons. LOOK AT A MAP!! Do YOU see how CLOSE CM is to CL???? If you launched a nuclear weapons at his North American territory, I would be affected. And I will then affect you with nuclear and chemical weapons. i will kill and pillage millions of your people if you launch any kind of nuclear weapon at his North American territory.

I mean come on!! New Orleans (CL's capital) is less then 50 miles from the border to CM.

OOC: Gee, I didn't think you'd do that.

IC: We applaud CM's move to severely cut weapons production, from hoarding them, to only producing what is truly needed. DPUO should be apleased, and this does show that CM has no intention of increasing it's empire, or declaring war on any other nation. Hopefully CM will hand over control to natives in ME and ML, but we imagine this will not happen for a long time, if ever, and it is most likely force would have to be used.

OOC: OK, I merely have to reprogram them so that they aim at you as well then CL. Not all that tricky.

Anyway, show's over. Jonothana, I am pleased that CM sees that there are certain things I will not allow, and that we could reach an agreement on this.

OOC: Gee, I didn't think you'd do that.

IC: We applaud CM's move to severely cut weapons production, from hoarding them, to only producing what is truly needed. DPUO should be apleased, and this does show that CM has no intention of increasing it's empire, or declaring war on any other nation. Hopefully CM will hand over control to natives in ME and ML, but we imagine this will not happen for a long time, if ever, and it is most likely force would have to be used.


Ooc:

There are no natives left in ML, we created the independent Arabian Libya (the western 1/10 of Libya)

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There are 100 million whites in ML and 100 million more in ME. There are only 35 million arabs in ME, we cannot allow a small minority to boss around a majority. ME is more Mississippian than not, it's like a permanent part of us now. We may someday be able to grant a degree of autonomy to the commonwealth nations that have shown responsibilty. But that wouldn't change the fact that a white government is still in power.

Thank you. We ask that you do your best to grant workable autonomy to all of the commonwealth.

Thank you. We ask that you do your best to grant workable autonomy to all of the commonwealth.


Right now the commonwealth makes their own laws, supports their own armies, and commands their own armies, they have senates (Mississippi has no senate), and the commonwealth also are allowed to take certain actions independent of the homeland. But they may not declare war or commit troops to foreign nations unless the nation borders them and there is a compelling immediate interest (anarchy in border region threatening to spill into commonwealth land)


Basically the Commonwealth is like the UK was with Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia, except not quite as much independence. Most of the commonwealth nations, the citizens have more political rights (they vote for the senates, etc) but they are much stricter socially (the racial laws regarding social mingling of the races are far more harsh in ME and Western Sahara, mostly as a matter of demographics, there are hundreds of millions of non-whites in Africa, and only about 210,000,000 Mississippians)

May i make a note that Cm has had economic problems in the past and his latest attempts of cutting back on weapons production is only a veil that he used to appease the world. The truth is he is not able to keep up weapons production because of a poor economy.

Then perhaps CM needs to stop being so afraid of the world.

May i make a note that Cm has had economic problems in the past and his latest attempts of cutting back on weapons production is only a veil that he used to appease the world. The truth is he is not able to keep up weapons production because of a poor economy.




http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?region=USSA&nation=Communist%20Mississippi

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You economy may be fine in that asspect, but your funding is where it all goes sour. You would not be able to keep up weapons production at the rate you were doing so, so you turned a failure into your advantage. making it seem as if you are doing fine an dandy and cutting back weapons production.

(OOC:You have RPed much much more military spending BTW. You have lied before and you lie again.)

You economy may be fine in that asspect, but your funding is where it all goes sour. You would not be able to keep up weapons production at the rate you were doing so, so you turned a failure into your advantage. making it seem as if you are doing fine an dandy and cutting back weapons production.

(OOC:You have RPed may more military spending BTW. You have lied before and you lie again.)


OOC: I've used the 10 trillion I looted from HM. The premier's private fund that I Rped him amassing. The Mercenary earnings from the Mississippian Private Military Conglomerate. Indeed I still have 7.6 trillion from the premier's funds banked for a rainy day... I account for all I spend.

OOC: I've used the 10 trillion I looted from HM. The premier's private fund that I Rped him amassing. The Mercenary earnings from the Mississippian Private Military Conglomerate. Indeed I still have 7.6 trillion from the premier's funds banked for a rainy day... I account for all I spend.



Okay I will take this one point at a time

OOC: I've used the 10 trillion I looted from HM.

You've spent that up by now and more.


The premier's private fund that I Rped him amassing.

I have caught you lieing on his fund before.


The Mercenary earnings from the Mississippian Private Military Conglomerate. Indeed I still have 7.6 trillion from the premier's funds banked for a rainy day... I account for all I spend.

You would not make enough to bring your funds back. You have only 7 trillion (You cant make .6 trillion in 4 days when it took you years to get 10 trillion and are spending a shitload on military spending.) and you dont account for eveything you spend. I have proved your wrong on that before. Check the oil crisis thread to see what I mean.

Okay I will take this one point at a time



You've spent that up by now and more.




I have caught you lieing on his fund before.




You would not make enough to bring your funds back. You have only 7.6 trillion (You cant make .6 trillion in 4 days when it took you years to get 10 trillion and are spending a shitload on military spending.) and you dont account for eveything you spend. I have proved your wrong on that before. Check the oil crisis thread to see what I mean.

I don't know who the hell you think you are. I've not lied, I might have had a few adding mistakes. But how dare you accuse me of lying with no evidence other than your word. You're months old with only 50 some posts, you're obviously the puppet of a much larger nation. Leave me alone and quit causing trouble, none of this concerns you.

really? You have only a few more months than me. I have only become active in the forums now that they are lagg-less. and I am not a puppet.

Here is my proof you have lied.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=348510&page=8&pp=15

And if you dont know how to add properly then get off nationstates.


And this does concern me as I have ties to people you have made mad and you have even tried to bring down some conglomerates I'm in. And why are you so defensive to "A puppet"? You would only be defensive if you had somehting to hide.

really? You have only a few more months than me. I have only become active in the forums now that they are lagg-less. and I am not a puppet.

Here is my proof you have lied.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=348510&page=8&pp=15

And if you dont know how to add properly then get off nationstates.


And this does concern me as I have ties to people you have made mad and you have even tried to bring down some conglomerates I'm in. And why are you so defensive to "A puppet"? You would only be defensive if you had somehting to hide.



My proof you are lying swine who has it out for me.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost....650&postcount=1

My proof you are lying swine who has it out for me.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost....650&postcount=1


So you reply with a dead link? How nice. And if I wasn't out to get you then why would I be posting all this? And please tell me how I lie?

So you reply with a dead link? How nice. And if I wasn't out to get you then why would I be posting all this? And please tell me how I lie?


The link was true then and true now... I gave it to you once, and I gave it again..

This isn't the place for arguing about this. TG me to complain and whine, I'm tired of threads being cluttered by every half-wit who wants to tell me how I am wrong.

Ooc: Not to insinuate you're a half-wit.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346968

Thanks for the link! If you look you have spent 7 trillion of your personal fund. in that little link I provided you specifically said your personal fund had 7 Trillion in it. So you now have $0 in your personal fund. And all I am doing here is showing to the world that you would still be making many many weapons.

Stop ze flaming please, CM no need to insult him, and Mr. Commie Man, don't insult him either, I'm not very good at math either ;)

Thanks for the link! If you look you have spent 7 trillion of your personal fund. in that little link I provided you specifically said your personal fund had 7 Trillion in it. So you now have $0 in your personal fund. And all I am doing here is showing to the world that you would still be making many many weapons.



Shut up! Just go away troll! I have 7 trillion, I have other sources I've made recent purchases from. The 7 trillion in the personal fund is still there.

I told you to TG me and stop cluttering this!

Begone troll!

USSNA, you've been asked to leave the thread. Please do.


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(Okay I will stop this. I have already proved a point.)

I am sorry to anyone that may have been bothered by this.



LOL and he furthers my cause

Shangia again expresses full support for CM on this matter.

Will people please leave this thread if they, in any way, want to critize CM for anything. This is not the thread for doing it. If you do, acctually want to make a consturctive argument against him, please set up a new thread. CM is sick of any thread involving him being cluttered with some unfounded childish critism of some unrelated issue. Thanks. Only post here if it is related to the ultimatum. Anything else should be dealt with in a new thread. You might want to make those who are concerned with it aware of it, but that is all.