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Ultimatum to the nation of Communist Mississippi

VIEWING the continued aggresion of Communist Mississippi against nations both of the 'Real World' and 'NS World'.

EXPRESSING concern over the lack of willpower by the government, and military, of Communist Mississippi.

ANGERED by Communist Mississippi's broken promises and movement of civilians to conquered lands, illegal by many peoples standards.

CONFUSED that Communist Mississippi feels that White Christians are both Gods Chosen People, and that they are fully justified in ALL actions.

DEMANDING that Communist Mississippi adhere to the following rules, where the penalty for breaking such rules is allowance of NATO to use military might to punish the nation of Communist Mississippi, the following rules being:

1. Communist Mississippi may not move its own citizens to conquered lands, as that is in violation of the Geneva Convention, whether or not Communist Mississippi is a signatory, and cannot be allowed.

2. Communist Mississippi may not obtain new territories by Purchase, Trade, Threat, Invasion, or Gift. If Communist Mississippi attempts to loophole this rule, it will still be punished.

3. Communist Mississippi may not declare war on a nation except for the following reasons:

3a. War has been declared upon Communist Mississippi

3b. A direct attack, such as invasion of Communist Mississippi, or military attack.

3c. A proven terrorist or indirect attack against Communist Mississippi. Communist Mississippi, if it feels it knows who perpetrated the attack, must give the evidence to an international court, with civilians of a neutral nation, for desicion.

3d. A failed but obvious attack, or attack in the happening, upon Communist Mississippi.

4. The exception to rule three is, if Communist Mississippi wishes to appeal to NATO for a special circumstance. In such a case, the Congressional Board is allowed to vote whether or not Communist Mississippi may commit its declaration of war, by a 3/5ths vote.




The New Alliance Treaty Organization has been most distressed by recent and past actings of Communist Mississipi. The Congressional Board, with the backing of the member-states of NATO have unanimously, decided to issue the aforementioned Ultimatium.

One of NATO's central tenants is the peaceful coexistence between the nations of the world. For too long have war and death plagued mankind. It is our common belief that this Ultimatium can help diffuse this current
crisis.

We urge Communist Mississippi to follow and obey our Ultimatium to the letter and to its Spirit in the hope of a more peaceful world.

Thank you.

Ultimatum to the nation of Communist Mississippi

VIEWING the continued aggresion of Communist Mississippi against nations both of the 'Real World' and 'NS World'.

EXPRESSING concern over the lack of willpower by the government, and military, of Communist Mississippi.

ANGERED by Communist Mississippi's broken promises and movement of civilians to conquered lands, illegal by many peoples standards.

CONFUSED that Communist Mississippi feels that White Christians are both Gods Chosen People, and that they are fully justified in ALL actions.

DEMANDING that Communist Mississippi adhere to the following rules, where the penalty for breaking such rules is allowance of NATO to use military might to punish the nation of Communist Mississippi, the following rules being:

1. Communist Mississippi may not move its own citizens to conquered lands, as that is in violation of the Geneva Convention, whether or not Communist Mississippi is a signatory, and cannot be allowed.

2. Communist Mississippi may not obtain new territories by Purchase, Trade, Threat, Invasion, or Gift. If Communist Mississippi attempts to loophole this rule, it will still be punished.

3. Communist Mississippi may not declare war on a nation except for the following reasons:

3a. War has been declared upon Communist Mississippi

3b. A direct attack, such as invasion of Communist Mississippi, or military attack.

3c. A proven terrorist or indirect attack against Communist Mississippi. Communist Mississippi, if it feels it knows who perpetrated the attack, must give the evidence to an international court, with civilians of a neutral nation, for desicion.

3d. A failed but obvious attack, or attack in the happening, upon Communist Mississippi.

4. The exception to rule three is, if Communist Mississippi wishes to appeal to NATO for a special circumstance. In such a case, the Congressional Board is allowed to vote whether or not Communist Mississippi may commit its declaration of war, by a 3/5ths vote.




The New Alliance Treaty Organization has been most distressed by recent and past actings of Communist Mississipi. The Congressional Board, with the backing of the member-states of NATO have unanimously decided to issue the aforementioned Ultimatium.

One of NATO's central tenants is the peaceful coexistence between the nations of the world. For too long have war and death plagued mankind. It is our common belief that this Ultimatium can help diffuse this current
crisis.

We urge Communist Mississippi to follow and obey our Ultimatium to the letter and to its Spirit in the hope of a more peaceful world.

Thank you.


Hmmm hello... We spent over 500 billion dollars to benefit the non-whites of Mississippian Egypt by building them cities to the same standard as the white cities! We sacked the governor-general Donald Stahlecker who was holding up the funding.

We allowed over 500,000 black refugees from Angola to move into the Commonwealth and granted them citizenship and put them in temporary mobile homes that are decent, until we can get them permanent housing.

I've already pledged months ago not to expand, and have not done so. Except for Parthia ceding to me a small piece of land to add to Mississippian Egypt.

I even gave 10% of Libya up to form "Arabian Libya" (“Arab Libya” which starts where the Algerian/Libyan/Niger borders intersect, and go straight up to Zuwarah, all land west of this line belongs to the arabs)


I'm not in the habit of making war. And as such, I don't see a problem with not being the aggressor in a war. My policy is well-known, we are a defensive nation. I can agree with that.

ANGERED by Communist Mississippi's broken promises and movement of civilians to conquered lands, illegal by many peoples standards.
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Well we've already got 100 million whites in Mississippian Egypt, 100 million in Mississippian Libya, and 10 million in Western Sahara. So I agree to make no more movements.

Ooc- Hey, in the RL, Israel does it... So why not me in NS? Oh well though.


Ooc- Also note that Mississippian Libya is 100% white. Mississippian Egypt is about 75% white. Western Sahara is about 94% white.

In the name of the Federal Republic of Austar Union, I hearby put my nation's diplomatic support toward the NATO alliance, and encourage the nation of Communist Mississippi to comply with NATO demands..."

In the name of the Federal Republic of Austar Union, I hearby put my nation's diplomatic support toward the NATO alliance, and encourage the nation of Communist Mississippi to comply with NATO demands..."


Ooc- I've already said I agree with it all! What more can I do! I'm not currently planning any aggression (So there is no aggression to cancel) and I'm not currently moving anybody into conquered lands (That was finished weeks ago) So there is nothing more for me to say than "Okay I won't do any of that". And I've said it, so what is the issue?

It may be that Communist Mississippi has settled down lately, but it is not unseen for nations such as yourself to lie low for a short time but then recede into their old ways. This ultimatum's primary purpose is to ensure that no further actions that can be viewed as hostile are enacted by Communist Mississippi unto your neighbors and the international community.

Sigma Octavus
Spokesnation of the New Alliance Treaty Organization

Official Statement of The Burnsian Desert

Who are you, NATO, to limit the rights of a nation that has records that pale in comparison to another nation I can name, one of your own signatories, that has committed tortures and killings so evil in comparison that I shudder to think of it? I think that before you solve the problems of others, you must first solve your own.

While the Hadulan people do not condone Communist Mississippi and its ideology, we agree the the Burnsian Desert that you are indeed hypocrites that condemn a nation who by far are much more humane than certain members of your organization.

Which members do you speak of?

TBD i am inclined that you are lying about the supposed hypocricy because you are bitter that you were not accepting into NATO.

OOC: Well that was embaressing. I am sorry, that was my most recent project, not exactly a puppet nation, more of a side project. So, yeah, that was me ;)

The one that comes most to mind is Automagfreak, who I believe is the leader of your organization...

We at NATO already covered that.

It is AMF policy to commit atrocities when at war, but ONLY under the following reasons:

1. So that it forces a quick surrender, thus ending the killing.

2. In order to set and example to other nations, therefore making future conflicts against us unthinkable. Again, preserves the peace.

3. To strike fear into the minds of the enemy, thus making surrender a more appealing option.

Occassionally when we declare 'Blood Feud', we mercilessly kill everything in sight. Now granted, in total war scenarios we do target civilians, but only for the reasons mentioned above.

I don't get my jollies on killing people without reason. Every enemy death is one that was well deserved and was done for a purpose, be it ending a conflict or averting future ones. Killing without reason is dishonorable.

Which members do you speak of?

TBD i am inclined that you are lying about the supposed hypocrisy because you are bitter that you were not accepting into NATO.

Hell no. The issue here is that some members, Automagfreek included, (who, incidentally, is the leader of NATO?) have much sicker agendas than CM.

The one that comes most to mind is Automagfreak, who I believe is the leader of your organization...

NATO has an organized and diversified leadership structure.

...right. Care to describe?

We at NATO already covered that.



Ooc- I've already agreed to the terms... But I must say, that CM has a habit of killing only those civilians that are vocal opponents and threats to the CM regime. And all the people we kill are in our own lands. We should have the right to police our own territories as we see fit. Every agitator we kill, means ten less CM internal security soldiers die by his landmine.

...that has committed tortures and killings so evil in comparison that I shudder to think of it?

"You say that like it's a bad thing..."

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-Administrator Kuroi, Director of Mekantan operations on Terra

Of course you ignore the matter that AMF only kills people and only at war to prevent larger casualties. CM has killed, raped and commited other atrocities and has done so during peace.

Also in the case of IDF we have made clear that if he commits any autrocities he will be removed from NATO post-haste.

Of course you ignore the matter that AMF only kills people and only at war to prevent larger casualties. CM has killed, raped and commited other atrocities and has done so during peace.

Also in the case of IDF we have made clear that if he commits any autrocities he will be removed from NATO post-haste.


Ooc- In Hatarian Mammalia, every man we killed meant one less potential guerilla.

(Uh, could we get the agreement to the terms in official writing?)

...right. Care to describe?

Beside the three Founding Nations, there is the Leader of NATO, the Congressional Board, and the International Consortium Court. NATO-wide decisions are passed by the Congressional Board, which does not count AMF among its number.

(Uh, could we get the agreement to the terms in official writing?)



Treaty Resolution 12,098: Passed the cabinet vote by 9-3


Agreeing to the terms laid forth in the NATO peace ultimatum.

Signed by Minister of the Interior Arthur Frick.

Approved by Premier Curtis Fabus.

Official Congressional Board Statement

We hereby officially accept CM's agreement of the Ultimatium. It has been recorded.

Thank you,
NATO Congressional Board

Also in the case of IDF we have made clear that if he commits any autrocities he will be removed from NATO post-haste.

And from the time my nation was started, no attrocities have been committed by IDF, of course there are the 1 out of 10,000 soldier deviants who will commit rape, but they are swiftly punished in a court martial and then publicly flogged in front of their peers.

Even when attacked by HM, my overwhelming forces struck at the Navy claiming about 300 ships in the war while losing a dozen. (long range missiles do that along with big guns to weak enemies who think they are all powerful). We landed forces in HM, but did not plunder or rape.

Frankly we of the Trasian Communist party do not see why NATO is pushing this fellow communist nation around, i do not see what gives NATO the right to push people around and demand things.

but we will stay out of this, but be warned NATO, if any attempts of invading our fellow communist is seen then it WILL be thought of as a act of war.

I have Kaderba's support on this one, so please state what gives you the right to make demands. if you will.

From The Communist Party of Trasa

Frankly we of the Trasian Communist party do not see why NATO is pushing this fellow communist nation around, i do not see what gives NATO the right to push people around and demand things.

but we will stay out of this, but be warned NATO, if any attempts of invading our fellow communist is seen then it WILL be thought of as a act of war.

I have Kaderba's support on this one, so please state what gives you the right to make demands. if you will.

From The Communist Party of Trasa

OOC: That's just his name, he's actually a staunch Republican-like nation...

Frankly we of the Trasian Communist party do not see why NATO is pushing this fellow communist nation around, i do not see what gives NATO the right to push people around and demand things.

but we will stay out of this, but be warned NATO, if any attempts of invading our fellow communist is seen then it WILL be thought of as a act of war.

I have Kaderba's support on this one, so please state what gives you the right to make demands. if you will.

From The Communist Party of Trasa


They aren't communists, despite the name. They are fascists.

OOC:Whatever, i still don't see how they can push nations around, i just checked their member list, i do not see this nations name in it, so what right do they have to this action?

OOC: That's what I've been saying.

Frankly we of the Trasian Communist party do not see why NATO is pushing this fellow communist nation around, i do not see what gives NATO the right to push people around and demand things.

but we will stay out of this, but be warned NATO, if any attempts of invading our fellow communist is seen then it WILL be thought of as a act of war.

I have Kaderba's support on this one, so please state what gives you the right to make demands. if you will.

From The Communist Party of Trasa


Ooc- Please don't insult me by calling me a communist! I draw my ideals from the old days when men acted like men rather than cowards. And when honor and virtue were ideals people were willing to defend. Not this "Generation of Cowards". If it was 1896, 1900, or 1908, I'd be voting for William Jennings Bryan. :D

what right do we have to push him around?
What right does he has to commit atrocities on innocent people

We are trying to save lives and prevent further atrocities. The right of the people is the right we have to step in and end it.

what right do we have to push him around?
What right does he has to commit atrocities on innocent people

We are trying to save lives and prevent further atrocities. The right of the people is the right we have to step in and end it.

Ooc- Just as AMF is trying to save his people's live. So too am I trying to save the lives of my people...

He's more of a nazi.

Yes, your right. But the nazis were basicly Anti-semitist, white supremacist, cpaitalist, right-wing fascists after all.

Communist Mississippi has done some good things, but, IMO, it does not overshadow many of the horrible atrocities they have commited. I also do not subscribe to their way of thinking (eugenics, supreme white race, subserviant role of women, anti-semitism).

But we tolerate it, as long as it does not get out of hand.

Malatose gives its full support towards Nato.

We will be watching Communist Mississippi most closesly. One, one more even slightly aggressive move by you and we haul out the big guns.

=). I have no doubts about applying to join NATO now.

We will watch the CM situation closely. While we do not care for AMF and his policies, which, in my mind, are just as bad as CM's, We give our tacit approval to NATO operations against CM.

We will be watching Communist Mississippi most closesly. One, one more even slightly aggressive move by you and we haul out the big guns.


Ooc- You do realize every nation of your size or my size has "big guns". When you get to be our sizes, you solve your problems like big people (Not Atlantians, I mean emotionally big, not necessarily tall big) and you use diplomacy. It's a neat tool. You might want to try it someday.

As a NATO member, Sarzonia agrees with the leadership in issuing this ultimatum. We too will be monitoring Communist Mississippi's activities very carefully.

In addition, we would like to discourage our allies and fellow member nations from trading with Communist Mississippi.

As a NATO member, Sarzonia agrees with the leadership in issuing this ultimatum. We too will be monitoring Communist Mississippi's activities very carefully.

In addition, we would like to discourage our allies and fellow member nations from trading with Communist Mississippi.



Ooc- As it is, I only trade with basically less than 30 nations, and they're all either allies, friendlies, or League of Empire Loyalist members.

I have one big question to ask.

I have some credible evidence that somebody is readying to attack an ally of mine. Now I don't plan on actually doing anything "preemptive", but if my allies are attack, I can help defend their lands yes?

The Armed Fascist Fatherlands views this ultimatum as not only an insult to CM but also a poor and rather pathetic excuse for NATO to throw it's weight around. Should NATO attempt to target Nazguul, we will not bow down so quickly as our counterpart has done.

Stay out of the affairs of other nations. Stick to the interoffice politics that plague your alliance on a daily basis.

CM, I assure you that Sevaris has no plans as of yet to attack you or your allies.

Nazguul- We all end up getting in each other's affairs at some point. No one is resistant to that.

We fully support this ultimatum, and applaud CM's observation. When faced with the question of why NATO have the right to do this, the Kings Prime Minister replied:

"NATO doesn't have the right to stop any human rights abuses like a nations police don't have the right to stop a private citizen commit murder. If we can save innocent lives, we will, so we applaud NATO's stance as a member."

However, AMF must observe basic human rights guidelines. Should war erupt with CM, his forces would be conducting themselves just as badly as CM's. We're supposed to have the moral high ground.

Ooc- As it is, I only trade with basically less than 30 nations, and they're all either allies, friendlies, or League of Empire Loyalist members.

[OOC: That doesn't surprise me. I wrote what I did because it'd be pointless for me to impose an embargo or trade sanctions when we don't trade with you or sever diplomatic relations when none exist. Those actions would be merely symbolic since they'd have no impact on either of our countries.

My post was just a fancy way of saying, "we don't trade with you and we don't want our friends to, either."]

~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

Let it be known that Automagfrek did not reach this decison, it was reached by NATO's Congressional Board.

And as far as the accusations against us go, we see this as merely an attempt to shift blame off of Communist Mississippi and onto Automagfreek.

Automagfreek has always had a 'non-first strike' policy, and evidence of such policy can be found in the historical documents of our past military conflicts. If you not, every conflict was started by a party other than Automagfreek, and in almost every scenario either weapons of mass destruction or terrorist like attacks were used against us. We believe that any nation would react just as strongly as we do, showing no mercy on a populace that:

A. Supports the government's attacks on Automagfreek

B. Does not choose to leave the country/ combat zones when fighting begins.

C. Fights alongside their government in an unjustified campaign against us.

I could go on and on, but these are several of the many reasons why Automagfreek uses 'total war' tactics. If you will note, Automagfreek is probably the msot attacked country in the world right now, and when we respond to such attacks with swift and pure brute force, we hope to avert future conflicts so that we may live in peace.

As far as Communist Mississippi is concerned, we do not see them acting in a defensive nature when these 'crimes' were committed. Whereas Automagfreek only acts when directly threatened or provoked, Communist Mississippi has taken it upon himself to commit first strike acts of terror upon the civilian poplace. While it is true that Automagfreek uses tactics similar to these (with the exception of enslaving women. AMF is most opposed to slavery in any form), Automagfreek only uses such tactics when we are directly attacked.

As you see, shifting the blame from CM to AMF does nothing, because AMF is not in the wrong for use of tactics that some may cosider brutal. We however use these tactics while on the defensive, while CM uses them while on the offensive.

AMF and NATO are most opposed to Communist Mississippi's actions, and the underlying cause is slavery. NATO's ultimatum will be met, or strict sanctions are to follow by AMF and all of NATO.

Had Communist Mississippi committed these 'crimes' after being directly attacked, me would have looked the other way. But enslaving a populace while on the offensive....there is no justification for that.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
Co-Founder of N.A.T.O

(with the exception of enslaving women. AMF is most opposed to slavery in any form),
]

Ooc- But the only thing they're being forced to do is move to Mississippian Egypt or Mississippian Liba, other than that, they're going to be granted full citizenship status and eventually be freed. We don't intend to make them do any manual labor or anything of the sort. My nation too is against slavery, during our rule in Angola, we stamped out the slave trade. We also did likewise in Western Sahara and continue to remain vigilant in WS for any slave traffickers.

However, AMF must observe basic human rights guidelines. Should war erupt with CM, his forces would be conducting themselves just as badly as CM's. We're supposed to have the moral high ground.


Which is why Automagfreek rarely gets involved in military conflicts. In our culture we do not believe combat against civilians is wrong, as long as it is being done in response to an attack. Automagfreek does not go around starting fights, and if we did we would not unleash total war on civilians. However, when we are attacked....then yes, we will take the fight to whomever stands in our way. It has always been like this.

You can't just open Pandora's Box then try to close it.

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The One Who Shall Remain Unnamed
-Lord of the Death Dealers-
Servant of the Dread Fires
Member of N.A.T.O

Ooc- But the only thing they're being forced to do is move to Mississippian Egypt or Mississippian Liba, other than that, they're going to be granted full citizenship status and eventually be freed. We don't intend to make them do any manual labor or anything of the sort. My nation too is against slavery, during our rule in Angola, we stamped out the slave trade. We also did likewise in Western Sahara and continue to remain vigilant in WS for any slave traffickers.


OOC: This I understand OOCly, but in the IC world I do not care. ICly, it is seen as slavery.

Had Communist Mississippi committed these 'crimes' after being directly attacked, me would have looked the other way. But enslaving a populace while on the offensive....there is no justification for that.[/size][/font]



Ooc- I do believe that after Hatarian Mammalia attacked IDF and failed miserably, and our naval forces were forming up to move to stop any more attempts. He tried to invade Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya with commando forces. But he is an idiot and he just godmodded them in, but still that counts as an attempted attack. He tried to invade my territory.

We have decided to fully support NATO in this venture. I will take steps to cordon off the strait of Gibraltar (in Earth II) to prevent CM's ships from leaving.

We have decided to fully support NATO in this venture. I will take steps to cordon off the strait of Gibraltar (in Earth II) to prevent CM's ships from leaving.


Ooc- I need to pass through there to get oil from ME and ML to Mississippi. Also food and other vital supplies go that route. You close it off to me, I have the Suez Canal closed off to you.

Ooc- I do believe that after Hatarian Mammalia attacked IDF and failed miserably, and our naval forces were forming up to move to stop any more attempts. He tried to invade Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya with commando forces. But he is an idiot and he just godmodded them in, but still that counts as an attempted attack. He tried to invade my territory.


OOC: Again, OOCly I know this. ICly I do not, nor do I care.

OOC:- So be it. We don't need Suez anyway. What little oil we need we can produce ourselves.

We have decided to fully support NATO in this venture. I will take steps to cordon off the strait of Gibraltar (in Earth II) to prevent CM's ships from leaving.

[OOC: Just letting you know, I do not recognize Earth II ICly and I ignore all RPs that involve it.]

OOC: CM doesn't- he owns Libya and Egypt in Earth II. My nation is based in Earth II as it is.

OOC: CM doesn't- he owns Libya and Egypt in Earth II. My nation is based in Earth II as it is.
I'm an ally of you, if you need oil, then go to the Haifa port in IDF where the new Ottoman Khaif-IDF pipeline leads. We built a new seaport for it.

CM, you can't just close of the canal to people without me approving. I control the Eastern side and say he can travel it.

We're good on the oil situation. Our navy is taking up positions in the straight. Any CM ship trying to pass will be ordered to halt and turn around, or be fired on.

Parthia is rather reluctant to close our side of the canal, we will still allow Sevaris ships to pass. However, Sevaris cannot simply close the Gibraltar Strait, it requires control of both Gibraltar and Morocco... and I think CM recognizes Ottoman Khaif's claim of Morocco. And to blockade international waters between Spain and Morocco is an act of war

I'm an ally of you, if you need oil, then go to the Haifa port in IDF where the new Ottoman Khaif-IDF pipeline leads. We built a new seaport for it.

CM, you can't just close of the canal to people without me approving. I control the Eastern side and say he can travel it.


The thing is I need to get the oil from Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya to Mississippi herself.

I don't want to have to go all the way through Suez, around the Cape, and then up through the Atlantic... That'll add weeks to my journey.

Ooc- How about I do what Kuwait did during the Iran-Iraq war. Their oil tankers were "Loaned" to the USA and flew the US Flag so Iran couldn't risk attacking them without risking American involvement. Indeed the USA sank at least 1/2 dozen Iranian warships in the later years of the war. My oil tankers will be "loaned" to IDF and Parthia and will fly Parthian and IDF flags. They will be unarmed merchant ships and the crews will only carry light arms to stop possible boarding by pirates.

We will close off everything up to the 3-mile limit with Morocco. We strongly encourage Ottoman Khaif to close off his waters to CM shipping as well.

We will close off everything up to the 3-mile limit with Morocco. We strongly encourage Ottoman Khaif to close off his waters to CM shipping as well.


He's my ally and he's in the League of Empire Loyalists. So getting him to close the waters to me will be about as easy as getting Ariel Sharon to allow Hamas to hold meetings and rallies on his estate.

The thing is I need to get the oil from Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya to Mississippi herself.

I don't want to have to go all the way through Suez, around the Cape, and then up through the Atlantic... That'll add weeks to my journey.

Ooc- How about I do what Kuwait did during the Iran-Iraq war. Their oil tankers were "Loaned" to the USA and flew the US Flag so Iran couldn't risk attacking them without risking American involvement. Indeed the USA sank at least 1/2 dozen Iranian warships in the later years of the war. My oil tankers will be "loaned" to IDF and Parthia and will fly Parthian and IDF flags. They will be unarmed merchant ships and the crews will only carry light arms to stop possible boarding by pirates.

I was telling Sevaris he can use my ports. CM, don't close it off to him. I am part of NATO and Sevaris is an ally of mine. He will be allowed to use the Suez Canal with no interferance from you or anybody

We will close off everything up to the 3-mile limit with Morocco. We strongly encourage Ottoman Khaif to close off his waters to CM shipping as well.

OOC: I doubt he will, OK is rather friendly to CM.

Secret IC to Communist Mississippi-
Of course you may loan us your oil tankers, we are happy to provide any services for you.

Also, I am authorizing the 10,000 Sevarisian troops in Arabiyan Libya to leave. They will also dismantle the border crossings they erected. Lastly, any CM ships found in Sevarisian territorial waters will be boarded. No exceptions.

I was telling Sevaris he can use my ports. CM, don't close it off to him. I am part of NATO and Sevaris is an ally of mine. He will be allowed to use the Suez Canal with no interferance from you or anybody


Ooc. Okay, but we need to talk over a chat function about something important.

I control the Southern part of the Gibraltar Straight. I will shut it down to CM shipping, but I need help as I am too small to fend off an attack so please send planes and ships to back me off. I am against CM because I fear he will invade Morocco next and am disgusted with his action.

Also, I am authorizing the 10,000 Sevarisian troops in Arabiyan Libya to leave. They will also dismantle the border crossings they erected.


Ooc- Just don't cross into Mississippian Libya. And don't try to interfere with ML border defenses. (The wall, trenches, anti-tank ditches, minefields, bunkers, razor wire, gun pits, pillboxs, barracks, etc)

We will help you police the strait. We control the northern half- would you mind letting us send ships in to your part? That way, we can fully close it off.

CM, they are leaving through the northern port (Zuwahra?). They will return to Sevaris by boat.

I control the Southern part of the Gibraltar Straight. I will shut it down to CM shipping, but I need help as I am too small to fend off an attack so please send planes and ships to back me off. I am against CM because I fear he will invade Morocco next and am disgusted with his action.


Ooc- So trying to stangle my economy is sure to make me less likely to attack you! I've already pledged no more aggression days before this ultimatum, and again with this ultimatum. And there has been no aggression!

Ooc- By the way, I don't recognize you as the owner of Morocco, my ally Ottoman Khaif owns it.

I control the Southern part of the Gibraltar Straight. I will shut it down to CM shipping, but I need help as I am too small to fend off an attack so please send planes and ships to back me off. I am against CM because I fear he will invade Morocco next and am disgusted with his action.

OOC: You might, but CM can send them through Ottoman Morocco because he chooses to RP with him rather than you. You still own Morocco, but he prefers to RP with Ottoman Khaif over his shipping.

OOC: We are ensuring your compliance.

Ooc- So trying to stangle my economy is sure to make me less likely to attack you! I've already pledged no more aggression days before this ultimatum, and again with this ultimatum. And there has been no aggression!

Ooc- By the way, I don't recognize you as the owner of Morocco, my ally Ottoman Khaif owns it.
Ottoman Khaif is in Earth III, not Earth I or II so he doesn't own it. I have Morocco and I don't believe your pledge to not attack me.

We will help you police the strait. We control the northern half- would you mind letting us send ships in to your part? That way, we can fully close it off.
no problem you will have full freedom of movement. We only have about a dozen frigates and destroyers with 1 Charles de Gaulle CVN.

Ottoman Khaif is in Earth III, not Earth I or II so he doesn't own it. I have Morocco and I don't believe your pledge to not attack me.

So? It doesn't matter, He can RP with whomever he wants... be they Earth I, II, or III. I RP with some Earth I people and recognize their claims, or Earth III people and recognize their claims. Or I even RP with people who claim the same land I do and don't make a fuss about it. Thats just NS rules.

Thank you. We are deploying the 3rd Fleet to occupy the strait. It will also have air patrol, from our many airbases on the mainland (Spain/Portugal)

Ottoman Khaif is in Earth III, not Earth I or II so he doesn't own it. I have Morocco and I don't believe your pledge to not attack me.


Ooc- Have I attacked you yet? Didn't think so... I've come to realize, more lands= more need for larger garrisons= forces spread thinner. So weeks ago I decided to consolidate my hold on my existing lands. Why do you think I rejected the offer of my allies almost a week ago to take 1/3 of Hatarian Mammalia for myself? I'm not interested in land!

OOC: As I said, this is to ensure your compliance.

OOC: As I said, this is to ensure your compliance.
You know, CM doesn't have to RP with you...

CM, we will not take your tankers as I am a member of NATO.

You know, CM doesn't have to RP with you...

Just as I don't have to RP with him. However, I am supporting NATO, so, I am involved.

OOC: As I said, this is to ensure your compliance.


Ooc- I know damn well what you're up to. I'm not an idiot.


Ic: "Any aggression against unarmed CM merchant vessels in international waters, will be considered as an act of war." Minister of Defense Vladimir Markovic.

Ooc- See section 3B of the treaty of your own ultimatum. If you make a direct attack upon my citizens, vessels, etc, it constitutes a situation where I may use war.


Ooc- The IC is a very specific what you're not allowed to do, you're not allowed to "Use aggression against unarmed CM merchant ships in international waters." I won't tell you what to do in your own waters, but international waters are just that, international.

Just as I don't have to RP with him. However, I am supporting NATO, so, I am involved.
OOC: Thats fine. I really have no hostility towards you or your nation, I don't believe you ever condemned me... Or were you the one who called me CM's maid? It doesn't matter though.

OOC: I am only supporting NATO operations. If they tell me to withdraw the blockade, I shall do so.

IC: There has been a change in the policy. Ships will not be fired on, they will be boarded. If they are carrying acceptable cargo (food and other necessites) they will be allowed to pass. If they are carrying other cargoes, they will be detained.

OOC: Sevaris has never condemned Parthia for anything.

OOC: I am only supporting NATO operations. If they tell me to withdraw the blockade, I shall do so.

IC: There has been a change in the policy. Ships will not be fired on, they will be boarded. If they are carrying acceptable cargo (food and other necessites) they will be allowed to pass. If they are carrying other cargoes, they will be detained.


IC: "Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya are largely dependent on munitions supplies from Mississippi. Will this be interrupted?" Paul Stahlecker, foreign minister.

IC: "Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya are largely dependent on munitions supplies from Mississippi. Will this be interrupted?" Paul Stahlecker, foreign minister.


Secret IC:
Parthian Arms Co. will ship any needed items from Parthia at no charge to CM.

After careful consideration, we will allow certain military goods to pass. Only small arms and rations for the soldiers will be allowed through.

Secret IC:
Parthian Arms Co. will ship any needed items from Parthia at no charge to CM.



Ooc: Nah, I'll just make ME and ML totally self-sufficient by building arms factories there worth over 500 billion dollars. :D

Secret IC: Until the factories are built in ME and ML, we mostly need small arms ammunition and other munitions, such as RPG-7 rockets, MILAN ATGM rockets, Stinger missiles, SA-17 missiles, tank ammunition, etc.

Slight policy reversal: No military equipment will be allowed through. Sorry.

Ooc: Nah, I'll just make ME and ML totally self-sufficient by building arms factories there worth over 500 billion dollars. :D

Secret IC: Until the factories are built in ME and ML, we mostly need small arms ammunition and other munitions, such as RPG-7 rockets, MILAN ATGM rockets, Stinger missiles, SA-17 missiles, tank ammunition, etc.

Secret IC: That is fine, Perhaps we can also get OK to confirm that his territorial waters are open. Parthia can also supply parts for T-98 tanks.

The Armed Fascist Fatherlands views this ultimatum as not only an insult to CM but also a poor and rather pathetic excuse for NATO to throw it's weight around. Should NATO attempt to target Nazguul, we will not bow down so quickly as our counterpart has done.

Stay out of the affairs of other nations. Stick to the interoffice politics that plague your alliance on a daily basis.
Nazguul there are no interoffice politics that plague us on a daily basis. Where are you gettting this libel?

OOC: I meant deal with your own issues before you go around trying to dictate the ways nations run their affairs.

OOC: Can we please keep the OOC talk to a minimum? Make an OOC thread if you must and post a link here, but keep this thread with only IC developments. It's hard to keep track when you have to wade through 4 pages of OOC stuff.

IC: The Commonwealth claims the former British protectorate of Gibraltar as an overseas territory. For the time being, we will stay neutral, and ask that all participants in this conflict to refrain from entering our territorial waters. We also wish that Granzian commerce not be disturbed. Thank you.

Nathanial Sun,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Can we please keep the OOC talk to a minimum? Make an OOC thread if you must and post a link here, but keep this thread with only IC developments. It's hard to keep track when you have to wade through 4 pages of OOC stuff.

IC: The Commonwealth claims the former British protectorate of Gibraltar as an overseas territory. For the time being, we will stay neutral, and ask that all participants in this conflict to refrain from entering our territorial waters. We also wish that Granzian commerce not be disturbed. Thank you.

Nathanial Sun,
Minister of Foreign Affairs



IC: "Good Lord man! There is no conflict! You talk of wars when we want none and when there are none! Are you mad?" Paul Stahlecker, Foreign Minister.

"You wanna bet? I can see this escalating."

Nathanial Sun,
Minister of Foreign Affairs.

OOC: Why does anything involving CM always attract so much attention?

"CM doesn't want war. Bullshit. He's always looking for an excuse to plunder."

-George Carlin
Ministry of Foriegn Affairs

OOC: Why does anything involving CM always attract so much attention?


Ooc- Because the people know what they like. :D Oh yeah!

"CM doesn't want war. Bullshit. He's always looking for an excuse to plunder."

-George Carlin
Ministry of Foriegn Affairs

OOC: The name amuses me, as its the name of my favorite comedian, and the personality seems to match.
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The New Dominion of Hadula remains neutral in this conflict, but Dominus Pele Kawau has expressed his intention "not to deal with colonist bastards." While not directed at Communsit Mississippi, Kawau expresses his intention not to express friendly relations with caucasian imperialists.

The Union of People's Republics reserves the right to exchange territories with the nation of Communist Mississippi or to give them lands.
We also reserve the right to engage in trade with CM. The illegal Nato alliance not withstanding.
Any siezure by NATO, of Whittier lands given to CM, will be taken as an act of war on Whittier.

OOC: Though, I have zero intention of giving any land to CM.

The Union of People's Republics reserves the right to exchange territories with the nation of Communist Mississippi or to give them lands.
We also reserve the right to engage in trade with CM. The illegal Nato alliance not withstanding.
Any siezure by NATO, of Whittier lands given to CM, will be taken as an act of war on Whittier.

OOC: Though, I have zero intention of giving any land to CM.


"We have zero intention of accepting any land you might try to offer. You won't force your land on us! We don't want it!" Paul Stahlecker, Foreign Minister.

OOC: Hadula- it is George Carlin. He's my favorite comedian too.

"Bull. CM is merely trying to save himself. It's the old double standard- say one thing- *in a weird voice* do something different."

George Carlin
Minister of Foriegn Affairs.

"We have zero intention of accepting any land you might try to offer. You won't force your land on us! We don't want it!" Paul Stahlecker, Foreign Minister.
"We have no intention of forcing land on you. Only saying we reserve the right to transfer land to you if you accept it."
Stanislov, Foriegn Minister.

"Bull. CM is merely trying to save himself. It's the old double standard- say one thing- *in a weird voice* do something different."

George Carlin
Minister of Foriegn Affairs.

[OOC: George Carlin as foreign affairs minister?

Kind of "saucy" pick, don't you think? LOL]

Somebody is telling me this is a blockade of all CM shipping and trade traffic? Is that true?

OOC: Just to clear it up for you, the ultimatum was made by the congressional board. It is strictly what was in the ultimatum itself, and doesnt have to do with CM's actions towards civilian populace or having anything to do with CM trade. Anything extraneous to what hte Ultimatum says is member decided, and is not exactly the desicion of NATO.

I know because I was a part of approving the ultimatum, being on the board. I know you ignored me, but Im posting this so you can get a better understanding of our position at NATO. We have seen that you broke promises not to take more land before, and this is to ensure that promise. Read section 4, you may appeal to NATO if you want to declare war on someone extraneous to the rules of the ultimatum, and if it is plausible, we will probably say yes.

If someone will TG this to CM, I will appreciate it. He has my messages on ignore, but I think he would prefer to see this message than not.

The Psychotically-Induced State of Dimmimar condems this embargo on Communist Mississipi. The corruptive lackeys of NATO strike again. How our collective boots tremble with fear. :rolleyes:

Baron Manfred von Konan
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Chellis, since you posted in a RP concerning me, I figured it was either:

1) Insults

2) Important


So I did the "View single post" option that you can do when somebody is on ignore, and I read it.

OOC: I think it's funny how some of you people who applied to NATO and didn't get accepted are now OMFG against us. Yawn.

OOC:
Actually, I expressed my wish to see the alliance terms. After I saw them I decided not to join :rolleyes:

OOC: I think it's funny how some of you people who applied to NATO and didn't get accepted are now OMFG against us. Yawn.


OOC: I'm not against you, though I don't know if anyone even noticed my application.

OOC:
Actually, I expressed my wish to see the alliance terms. After I saw them I decided not to join :rolleyes:


OOC: Regardless. :rolleyes:

OOC: I think it's funny how some of you people who applied to NATO and didn't get accepted are now OMFG against us. Yawn.

OOC: I'm not against you guys, though I would like to know why I was rejected.

Axis Nova

OOC: I'm not against you guys, though I would like to know why I was rejected.

Axis Nova

A council of 5 decided you would not make a good member.

A council of 5 decided you would not make a good member.


OOC: And for reference, I am NOT on this council.

OOC: And for reference, I am NOT on this council.


AMF, nobody ever cleared up something for me. So would you please do so? :)

If my allies are attacked, am i land allowed to send troops to defend my allies territories?

It was never covered in the agreement.

You would have to make a request and I imagine they would allow you to.

And will people PLEASE accept it, CM has accepted the ultimatum. NATO can do this, and they have. If you have ANY question, direct it to AMF. Please do not critisize AMF, NATO's use of it's power. And why are people uising this thread to shut off waters to CM? I advise they be reopened. And CM's ships can just carry on, without allowing officers on board, as if they open fire they are allowed to retaliate.

OOC: You may station troops in an allys territory, to help defend. You cant gain more land, via number two, and you cannot help invade the attacker after/if he loses.

I am withdrawing the blockade of Gibraltar. However, we will reinstate it if CM does anything like he's done previously.

That is the point of this ultimatum. If he does anything against the resoulution, (I imagine) NATO would support your blockade, and you probably could use force. If he were to do anything against the resoulution, the blockade would be fairly redundant, as NATO would take care of it.

Also, I advise no - one else to get involced in this thread. They may applaud it, mildy critisise it or may dask a question. Nothing about NATO's involvement, or embargo against CM.

I will not permit military equipment to enter CM territory any longer. ME and ML must receive no further military aid, since such aid is unnecessary. I am detaching Fleet units to see that this is done.

I will not permit military equipment to enter CM territory any longer. ME and ML must receive no further military aid, since such aid is unnecessary. I am detaching Fleet units to see that this is done.

IC:
"Any ships that enter within 12 miles of any CM possession without permission will be warned of their intrusion and given several chances to leave. After that, they will be intercepted by Commonwealth ships who will escort them out. Any ships resisting will be sunk. Furthermore, any of the CM merchant ships in international waters of CM waters that are attacked by any foreign ships, will result in a state of war existing between the nation that perpetrates the attacks." Paul Stahlecker, Foreign Minister.

OC: This proves DPUO is a warmonger who never wanted to abide by the terms in the treaties we made (I abided by the terms!)

Y'know what? i don't much care what you damned well do. You have no need to build up anything within your territories, none at all. You're just moving forces there for yet another attack.

Come on, I dare you. Shoot and see what happens. Just try it. I am fed up to the back bloody teeth with you!

Y'know what? i don't much care what you damned well do. You have no need to build up anything within your territories, none at all. You're just moving forces there for yet another attack.

Come on, I dare you. Shoot and see what happens. Just try it. I am fed up to the back bloody teeth with you!



Obviously we need to move supplies to and from the territories. Army units train constantly and so go through lots of small arms ammunition. Their stuff breaks down, spare parts are needed. We move oil from ME and ML to Mississippi, and then finished products from Mississippi to ME and ML.

I've already made numerous pledges not to use aggression anymore, and I've kept them all. It is you sir who is attempting to force a war on me. And I may not be certain, but I think this matter is already resolved and closed. I've signed the treaty... It is you who will not let things go.

Supplies means ammunition and parts, not personnel and tanks. I repeat. Just see what happens. You will either commit, totally, on pain of immediate death of the entire Fabus family, to not ship any further forces to your territories, or this will go ahead. I am tired of babying the Nazis that have so long disgraced the world in the form of CM.

Dominus Pele Kawau expresses his displeasure on the war mongering of the DPUO nation. It is quite obvious that they are unable to accept that the nation of Communist Mississippi may have motives other than war. Namely, defense, and we see the wisdom in that action considering the large amount of flak many nations are giving them that are unwarranted and unbased.

This statement does not state that the New Dominion of Hadula by any means condones the actions of Mississippi or their ideology, it only states that we are displeased in the way that the nation fo DPUO is handling itself with this bickering.

Supplies means ammunition and parts, not personnel and tanks. I repeat. Just see what happens. You will either commit, totally, on pain of immediate death of the entire Fabus family, to not ship any further forces to your territories, or this will go ahead. I am tired of babying the Nazis that have so long disgraced the world in the form of CM.



Ooc: When did I say I was sending troops and tanks? I stopped reinforcing my positions there probably 6-10 days ago. All I've been wanting to send are more supplies.

Ha. Have you examined CM forces in the area? Have you? Have you seen how armed his people are? Have you noted their almost-total military service? Have you even the slightest clue as to what this nation is like?

Do not preach to me. I have ample reason to despise this creature, but I am merely doing this to ensure that his wish to proliferate huge amounts of military force for his own ends does not succeed.

Apologies for the error. But you will not be allowed to send any more supplies through than are absolutely necessary, and that is final.

Ha. Have you examined CM forces in the area? Have you? Have you seen how armed his people are? Have you noted their almost-total military service? Have you even the slightest clue as to what this nation is like?

Do not preach to me. I have ample reason to despise this creature, but I am merely doing this to ensure that his wish to proliferate huge amounts of military force for his own ends does not succeed.

Yes, and in the Hatarian Mammalia conflict we saw the extent of this military. However, as long as they do not openly assault any other nation (or their own people) the New Dominion of Hadula has little reason to beleive that they seek war. We remain alert to their moving of men and their military, but we are very far from their area, and are not threatened by them, and they have no reason as far as we know to attack us. Still ,we hardly condone their white supremacist ideology, and thus, we hold them in a position of little respect. Still, we have no reason to openly oppose them.

Apologies for the rror. But you will not be allowed to send any more suipplies through than are absolutely necessary, and that is final.

Ooc
We don't need to send much through, we're building enough factories to make ME and ML not only totally self-sufficient, but they'll have massive surpluses. I hope AMF and the others in NATO can see what sort of warmongering members they've got running around in their ranks (Cough DPUO cough)

Ic:
"Who the hell do you think you are to dare attempt to tell another sovereign nation what they can do?" Paul Stahlecker.

First off, NO NATION HAS TO SIGN THE GENEVA(sp?) CONVENTION TREATY! I didnt, and I dont plan to ever. Second of all, NATO is a RL anti-communist group why in gods name is communist nations joining this imperialist group.

Maybe I should shut up. I sure as hell dont want to be looked down upon. That would be so bad for my image. WAIT I DONT CARE WHAT OTHERS THINK.

OOC: Warmongering eh? I won't let you get away with colonising yet another nation. No arms factories. No unnecessary supplies. permanently. I have never been a supporter of appeasement and I don't plan to start now. But letting you get away with arms production on this scale is appeasement, pure and simple.

And by the way: Have you noticed that I'm not after all Fascists? Or Nazis? Curious that eh?

IC: Shut up, you worthless gob of white trash.

First off, NO NATION HAS TO SIGN THE GENEVA(sp?) CONVENTION TREATY! I didnt, and I dont plan to ever. Second of all, NATO is a RL anti-communist group why in gods name is communist nations joining this imperialist group.

Maybe I should shut up. I sure as hell dont want to be looked down upon. That would be so bad for my image. WAIT I DONT CARE WHAT OTHERS THINK.

Yes, no nation is required to, but some chose to. Personally, the New Dominion supports this treaty, and despite the isolated occurences of cruelty among our members to the Hispanic and Caucasians within the country (the filthy rats) we abide by its tenets.

NS NATO is a group of nations that are allied. They aren't the RL NATO.

OOC: Warmongering eh? I won't let you get away with colonising yet another nation. No arms factories. No unnecessary supplies. permanently. I have never been a supporter of appeasement and I don't plan to start now. But letting you get away with arms production on this scale is appeasement, pure and simple.

And by the way: Have you noticed that I'm not after all Fascists? Or Nazis? Curious that eh?

IC: Shut up, you worthless gob of white trash.

Ooc: We'll build factories to better the lives of our people in the nation of Egypt, white and arab, the factories will create jobs, and help men support their families. We will not be pushed around by you.

DPUO, you are a warmonger. You do break treaties when you fill like it. You do go out your way to start conflict. And unlike CM you have used nuclear weapons cough coughTHE GRASSROOTScough cough

And by the way: Have you noticed that I'm not after all Fascists? Or Nazis? Curious that eh?

Not really. The New Dominion of Hadula is a militaristic "fascist" state, and we don't need your condoning. We are now refraining from the racism that started our regime, and while we do not respect the Caucasian and Hispanic races we do not mistreat them (anymore.)

DPUO, you are a warmonger. You do break treaties when you fill like it. You do go out your way to start conflict. And unlike CM you have used nuclear weapons cough coughTHE GRASSROOTScough cough



Ooc: I've only ever used chemical weapons, and only in tactical roles.

You make Hitler look trustworthy. Therefore you will build no such thing. I don't object to you building other types of factory there, but not arms. Clear enough for you? After all, surely other types of works can benefit the populace? Or is there some magical quality about arms manufacture?

You make Hitler look trustworthy. Therefore you will build no such thing. I don't object to you building other types of factory there, but not arms. Clear enough for you? After all, surely other types of works can benefit the populace? Or is there some magical quality about arms manufacture?


Ooc: I'll do as I please as long as it doesn't conflict with a treaty I have singed, unless the other party has broken the treaty. I'll build factories if I want.

Of for fuck's sake CL grow up. I used them, yes. I was young and stupid and wanted some fun. I'm not proud of it. But I admit it. there, happy? And just because you're one of those who can or will not see that this thing cannot be trusted not to mainatin his conquering campaign don't mean I am.

Then I'll stop you building them. You will build no arms factories in your territories. I will lift all blockading if you do.

Of for fuck's sake CL grow up. I used them, yes. I was young and stupid and wanted some fun. I'm not proud of it. But I admit it. there, happy? And just because you're one of those who can or will not see that this thing cannot be trusted not to mainatin his conquering campaign don't mean I am.



Ooc: What f--cking campaign? I haven't made an aggressive land move in 3-4 week! HM was not a land grab since I pulled out. You're weeks late on asking me to stop something that is already long done. I cannot stop it because it no longer exists to stop. It's over, done! Get it through your darn skull!

This argument will continue on forever at this rate. This is why I would like to say:

While CM has done questionable practices in the past, that is it. In the past. Until he shows that he is interested in furthur imperialism and atrocities, there is truly no need for this hostility. If you wish to debate his "evil", please take it to another thread, or, if you feel lucky, say it to his face, IC, with a diplomatic envoy instead of this childish tantrum your throwing, DPUO.

For the benefit of all those out there who are unclear on this, let me make a few things clear.

I despise Nazism in every form it takes. Every last one. But I am prepared to tolerate Nazism, else I would be calling for war upon the NDA.

I depise Fascism, but I don't call for wars on Fascists in general, either.

I am disguested by imperialism, but I don't object to it per se, which is why I support in general Sevaris.

I abhor racism, but I am prepared to leave those who keep it within their nations alone, as with people like Hadula.

But I can not and will not tolerate all of them, mixed with a nature shown to be aggressive. I will not repeat the error of Chamberlain, and believe an aggressively expansionist Nazi when he tells me that he has no desire to conduct further territorial acquisitions.

I do not wish wars. I did my damnedest to generate peace in the Kahta-Sevaris stand-off; I argued for peace in the AU-RF war; I argued for peace in the tensions between Hattia and Hallad, too. None of those nations, however, had all the unique qualities of CM: racism, imperialism, militarism, aggressiveness, brutality, ruthlessness, and the willingness to lie and connive regularly all balled into one.

I do not wish to do this, believe me. I am onl too keenly aware of the risk it poses to the region's stability and to the safety of hundreds of thousands of my own people. But I will not let a second Nazi Germany spread its' black wings over Africa, even if the price is my own destruction.

This has been an IC and OOC post. Make of it what you will.

DPUO, what you need to do is, stop trying to police the whole god damn world and take care of your own business. You say I would be a warmonger. It looks like your being a hipercrit more and more everyday. So far you have been in more conflicts then I have.

I abhor racism, but I am prepared to leave those who keep it within their nations alone, as with people like Hadula.
.


Ooc:

Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya and Western Sahara are my own land now! You recognized it over a week ago when we signed treaties.

For the benefit of all those out there who are unclear on this, let me make a few things clear.

I despise Nazism in every form it takes. Every last one. But I am prepared to tolerate Nazism, else I would be calling for war upon the NDA.

I depise Fascism, but I don't call for wars on Fascists in general, either.

I am disguested by imperialism, but I don't object to it per se, which is why I support in general Sevaris.

I abhor racism, but I am prepared to leave those who keep it within their nations alone, as with people like Hadula.

But I can not and will not tolerate all of them, mixed with a nature shown to be aggressive. I will not repeat the error of Chamberlain, and believe an aggressively expansionist Nazi when he tells me that he has no desire to conduct further territorial acquisitions.

I do not wish wars. I did my damnedest to generate peace in the Kahta-Sevaris stand-off; I argued for peace in the AU-RF war; I argued for peace in the tensions between Hattia and Hallad, too. None of those nations, however, had all the unique qualities of CM: racism, imperialism, militarism, aggressiveness, brutality, ruthlessness, and the willingness to lie and connive regularly all balled into one.

I do not wish to do this, believe me. I am onl too keenly aware of the risk it poses to the region's stability and to the safety of hundreds of thousands of my own people. But I will not let a second Nazi Germany spread its' black wings over Africa, even if the price is my own destruction.

This has been an IC and OOC post. Make of it what you will.

I would also like to point out that normally I would be behind DPUO ICly, however, because of the state of government in our country (native fascists led by Pele Kawau have taken over) our opinions are diluted. Just so you don't get confused on my stance.

*Shrugs* I abrogate said treaty on the grounds that you are continuing to proliferate armaments unnecessarily. Would you be so good as to provide the exact figures for what you have in Libya and Egypt?

DPUO, what you need to do is, stop trying to police the whole god damn world and take care of your own business. You say I would be a warmonger. It looks like your being a hipercrit more and more everyday. So far you have been in more conflicts then I have.

Oh, I'm so devastated. I'm evil because I won't let a Nazi be allowed to extend his empire. Why does he need arms factories in his territories? Why does he need to equip them further? Why does he need to construct a new Canal for use exclusively by him and his allies? Why does he need, incidentally, however many armed personnel there are in his conquests?

CM is trying to get around the very real possibilty that I will close off the Strait of Gibraltar to his shipping.

Hmm. And why would you do that exactly?

I did it the first time to ensure his compliance with the NATO demands. I may have to do it again to force him to back down in any diplomatic entanglements I get involved in with CM

OCC: The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was a military alliance between the Allied Nations of the Second World War (and other nations) created to stop the spread of Communism from the Soviet Union. NATO is now a Military Alliance between former members and its more of a mutal agreement of collective security and the protection of another nation's sovereignty.

OOC: Uhn. Ah well. Anyway. Just so everyone gets what I'm saying here:

CM already claims that these territories have the ability to pump oil and have massive numbers of colonists in them.

With the building of arms factories run from internal-ish raw materials, these areas do become self-sufficient. This means he can field a larger armed force in the area and use it as an independent staging post from which to attack other nations, even in the event of a successful embargo or blockade, both of which would be very seriously-considered actions.

If he doesn't build them, I'm happy with what's been agreed, and I'll go back to my cave.

I would pay for the building of such a canal. I would foot the bill 100%.

There's no need for the canal. CM has unlimited access to Suez.

Just looking at where it'd go: wouldn't it turn up in the Med anyway? So if the Gibraltar Strait were to be shut off, it would mean that the shipping would still have to round the Cape.

There's no need for the canal. CM has unlimited access to Suez.


This is just to make sure nothing happens to the Suez. If the Red Sea is shut off say at Djibouti or Yemen, we need alternate routes.

We can't shut off Suez. I will not hesitate to shut off Gibraltar, if the need arises.

Ambassador Richardson made the following statement in response to the ultimatum made by NATO to CM; "Who the hell are you to boss around a nation and their Department of Defense? Every nation has the sovereign right to manufacture weapons to protect themselves from hostile nations. You guys are just as bad as the Soviets are, your friggin' bullies."

OOC: Yay.

IC: Correction. The Soviets were just like CM. We are more like the West, excpet that we, I think, have the courage to do something about the enemy.

CM has done god knows what to god knows who. I'm only interested because he's right up against my back door. That's what I mean.

Ambassador Richardson responded, "Sorry, however you are still turning out to be the aggressor in this conflict, the demands of this ultimatum are greased with coporate greed and its outrageous! This nation has its very right to manufacture weapons... if they stop you should. Its the only way it would work."

And to that I reply: WE stop making arms? Have you seen the size of his military? Have you seen what he has in the area? Have you seen his WMDs? Are you blind?

We have officially declared our position. We are going to remain neutral in any war that erupts against CM. We will give moral support to DPUO, but we will not aid in the war effort. As much as we would like to see CM's African ambitions dashed, we cannot afford a war at this time. I have realized that DPUO's case is somewhat of a facade. As much as we don't like it, he does have the right to build weapons. We have to respect that. However, I will warn CM that any attacks or measures taken that harm the people of Sevaris will be responded in kind.

Cordially,
-Premier Alec Mannerheim
Republic of Sevaris.

P.S.- We will also keep up arms production- to meet any possible threat from CM.

Suit yourself. You want him making arms right alongside the Med, that's your business. Doesn't change my opinion. I am not contesting his right to make arms. I am contesting his right and justification to make them there.

Though they are there, we cannot press the issue at this time. I fear the prospects of a CM invasion. Seeing what he did to other countries sickens me- and I fear for my people. We will still build, and turn Sevaris into the most fortified nation in the Med.

Meh. I think I can fortify you well enough, if you like. But anyway, enough OOC talk. Not that there's any IC talk going on...

Suit yourself. You want him making arms right alongside the Med, that's your business. Doesn't change my opinion. I am not contesting his right to make arms. I am contesting his right and justification to make them there.


We want the commonwealth nations to be largely self-sufficient so they can operate without the need of the homeland to be there and watch over them. We hope to in the future be able to grant them greater degrees of autonomy. (Like the UK did with Canada, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand)

Though they are there, we cannot press the issue at this time. I fear the prospects of a CM invasion. Seeing what he did to other countries sickens me- and I fear for my people. We will still build, and turn Sevaris into the most fortified nation in the Med.


Ooc: If I've pledged not to attack you, you're safe.

And to that I reply: WE stop making arms? Have you seen the size of his military? Have you seen what he has in the area? Have you seen his WMDs? Are you blind?

Ambassador Richardson continued, "Ah.. you see... we are right now have good terms with the CM. Therefore we wish not to go to war with this other great power. We have good relations and we don't want to see them radicate. I applaud the Republic of Sevaris on changing your policies to respect the CM.."

OOC: We highly doubt that. Your nation's level of integrity has been...dubious to say the least. We will continue with the military buildup.

Ambassador Richardson continued, "Ah.. you see... we are right now have good terms with the CM. Therefore we wish not to go to war with this other great power. We have good relations and we don't want to see them radicate. I applaud the Republic of Sevaris on changing your policies to respect the CM.."

We respect CM as a soveriegn nation. We do not give him any special treatment. I am merely involved in this to look out for my own people. Nothing more.

I don't care aboiut what you intend to do, even assuming that's true. You know my position. it's a very simple one.

OOC: We highly doubt that. Your nation's level of integrity has been...dubious to say the least. We will continue with the military buildup.

Ooc-
There are over 4 million soldiers in Arabian Libya... Why can we not have a similar number in Mississippian Libya (We have a good deal more, if you count the trained paramilitaries and such, we have almost twice as much!)

OOC: We are just wary of your intentions. Therfore, we shall keep ourselves safe.

Precisely. You do not need arms production there too. Count yourself lucky that I'm not specifying that we keep identical arms levels as a condition too.

DPUO, proposing weapons restrictions would be highly impractical. Trying to impose Versailles-like restrictions will never fly with him. We found that out earlier.

OOC: The comments of DPUO do not nessecairaly reflect the ideas and opinions of the NATO alliance. While some members defidentally agree with DPUO's statements, the Treaty only has to do with preventing aggresive war from CM. It has nothing to do with stopping supplies, troop movements, making blockades, condemning actions against civilians, etc. Immediate war has already been turned down by the NATO Congressional board, war against CM that is.

Frankly old boy I'm not hugely inclined to care about what he thinks. In the last five days I have been considering seriously whether to just nuke him and get it done with. As it is I am being very kind. I am merely asking that he not build arms factories there. Not much to ask.

Oh yeah, and what Chellis said goes without saying I hope. I don't speak for NATO.

DPUO, nuking him would mean the end of the world. It would set off a chain reaction of destruction that would kill us all. Do you want to do that?

Not particularly. But I quite definitely don't want him to keep getting away with crimes like he already has. Why live in a world where a Nazi can get so far?

Obviously OOC.

We've got to restrict him by diplomacy. Hell, fight a cold war if needs be.

Frankly old boy I'm not hugely inclined to care about what he thinks. In the last five days I have been considering seriously whether to just nuke him and get it done with. As it is I am being very kind. I am merely asking that he not build arms factories there. Not much to ask.

Oh yeah, and what Chellis said goes without saying I hope. I don't speak for NATO.


Ooc- You must be on crack! I've got a missile defense system worth over 13 trillion dollars! And I can prove I bought it and where I got the money (And the discounts) :D

Mate, I have enough warheads, plus decoys, to render that defence system useless, and turn you into a cloud of radioactive ash. An all-effective SDI is a massive godmode that would be instantly ignored. So don't BS me.

"I suggest you appease CM in any means nessecary... you do not want to be invaded by this powerful nation once again, do you Republic of Sevaris? We don't want to see any of your people harmed in any means nessecary... thank you for allowing us to go by our Foreign Policy, DPUO... though you see... you don't get it.. your going up against a mighty militant power... I suggest you to put away your meaningless threats and let the adults come to play?"

Not particularly. But I quite definitely don't want him to keep getting away with crimes like he already has. Why live in a world where a Nazi can get so far?

Obviously OOC.


OOC: You forget, you're guilty of worse than I am... Cough You Nuke People Cough.

Cough you have exterminated more than 400 million people cough, you're also a worthless aggressive imperialist. Shall I warm those nukes up?

We will not back down from our position, Canada. We will maintain our stance through diplomacy. However, we will not take any direct military action against CM unless he does so first. I'm not going to back down- he decides to attack me, then the blame falls on him.

And Canad a, just stay out of it. Unless you want a dose too. Believe me, I am in no mood for games. And as for an invasion, well when CM had finished trying to take my island nation, I'd still be there.

Cough you have exterminated more than 400 million people cough, you're also a worthless aggressive imperialist. Shall I warm those nukes up?



Ooc: When did we do this? We didn't wipe out all of HM, we killed maybe 50 million... Tops! Of our own people throughout the last 20 years, we've only klled 80-90 million (And most of those killed weren't even white). Our people are ours to deal with as we please. When they break the laws, they must suffer the consequences! We have laws against sedition, treason, heresy, blasphemy, miscegenation, preaching egalitarian dogma, etc.

Oh really. Your numbers have decreased a little. Anyway. Not important. Will you build those factories or not? Please say no. it's quick, it's simple, it solves the issue.

When they break the laws, they must suffer the consequences!

ooc - Those animals! They must suffer the consequences of being nonwhite! Shame on DPUO for trying to end your reign of terror! Shame on you, DPUO.. :rolleyes:

OCC: Powers don't go off nuking other nations these days.

"You do not want to place threats against a major power in this world not even a collective group can take one down. Because major powers have friends among their ranks," Ambassador Richardson responded and continued, "I am just a freelance ambassadorial officer to give advice to nations before they get annihilated."

ooc - Those animals! They must suffer the consequences of being nonwhite! Shame on DPUO for trying to end your reign of terror! Shame on you, DPUO.. :rolleyes:



Ooc: To be fair, we never killed any indians, because they never bothered us. They kept their ends of the bargains, we kept ours. The indians of Mississippi live on 5 large reservations and CM takes good care of them. There have been a few minor skirmishes with radical indians and extremist army units, but those are few and far between.

Yes, awful isn't it?

Anyway. I do not fear the result. If it must be our role to destroy this Nazi by any means necessary when he refuses not to keep arming himself, and when he has a history of aggression, so be it, even if our own demise be the price.

Ooc- You must be on crack! I've got a missile defense system worth over 13 trillion dollars! And I can prove I bought it and where I got the money (And the discounts) :D

OOC: You realize something like that would take about 10/20% of the buying price to maintain? so like, 1.3-2.6t?

Am I insane? No. I will not be forced to let him do this, however. It's a very simple choice indeed that carries little if any repercussion for his ample military ability. Why it's such a problem if beyond me. All it does is mean he cannot use these nations as bases for further aggression. Though he has promised not to do so, I cannot trust him to, and nor can anyone else.

Yes, awful isn't it?

Anyway. I do not fear the result. If it must be our role to destroy this Nazi by any means necessary when he refuses not to keep arming himself, and when he has a history of aggression, so be it, even if our own demise be the price.



Ooc:
Your record is 100 x worse than ours. Only you attack people for any reason, we are more specific. You've used nuclear weapons! We've never used nuclear or biological weapons!

Am I insane? No. I will not be forced to let him do this, however. It's a very simple choice indeed that carries little if any repercussion for his ample military ability. Why it's such a problem if beyond me. All it does is mean he cannot use these nations as bases for further aggression. Though he has promised not to do so, I cannot trust him to, and nor can anyone else.


Ooc: You promised to leave my nation alone and respect our territory (You recognized the commonwealth, the entire commonwealth, as the rightful land of Mississippi), but you abrogated that treaty when it no longer suited you.

Actually, I used them when the nation in question was developing and deploying an orbital defence system aided by his allies. I was also not alone. CL used them in addition to myself; as a matter of fact, it was his first use that prompted me to use them. Of course, you and your cronies won't believe this, because it's problematic. Not that I care or anything.

And as for that Treaty: This I consider to be an utter desecration of the good faith of that treaty. I say again. No arms factories. it's not too much to ask. Why is it a problem? If you can control the routes into the area, then why is it a problem? If you are going to give them autonomy, why is it a problem? You can still ship supplies there.

"You have accused the Communist Mississipi of being of a Nazi fashion? On what grounds can you make such an accusation?!" Ambassador Richardson responded enraged.

Actually, I used them when the nation in question was developing and deploying an orbital defence system aided by his allies. I was also not alone. CL used them in addition to myself; as a matter of fact, it was his first use that prompted me to use them. Of course, you and your cronies won't believe this, because it's problematic. Not that I care or anything.

And as for that Treaty: This I consider to be an utter desecration of the good faith of that treaty. I say again. No arms factories. it's not too much to ask. Why is it a problem? If you can control the routes into the area, then why is it a problem? If you are going to give them autonomy, why is it a problem? You can still ship supplies there.


Supply ships take time, they could need ammunition in a matter of hours, or days. Commonwealth Armies are so large they need, they deserve, a separate supply system free from the possible error and unforseen tragedies of shipping supplies over 5,000 miles.

Let's see. Certain similarities. Observe:

Nazi germany: No social welfare, state repression of opponents, persecution of non-aryans, militarisation, aggressive foreign policy, talk of "thousand-year reich", religious worship of a single dictator.

CM: No social welfare, state repression of opponents, persecution of non-whites, militarisation, aggressive foreign policy, talk of "empire that will last a thousand years" or words to that effect, and religious worship of a single dictator.

The Commonwealth Armies surely carry enough supplies for several days' sustained action with them? Or has this been overlooked? And if so, how? And why?

Let's see. Certain similarities. Observe:

Nazi germany: No social welfare, state repression of opponents, persecution of non-aryans, militarisation, aggressive foreign policy, talk of "thousand-year reich", religious worship of a single dictator.

CM: No social welfare, state repression of opponents, persecution of non-whites, militarisation, aggressive foreign policy, talk of "empire that will last a thousand years" or words to that effect, and religious worship of a single dictator.

No welfare eh? And besides... Contrary to popular liberal opinion, people are not entitled to handouts for no reason, we help those who are fit to live, but have fallen on hard times (injury, war wounds, etc)

http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?region=USSA&nation=Communist%20Mississippi
Government Budget Details
Administration: $144,362,339,100.00 1%
Welfare: $1,299,261,051,900.00 9%
Health: $577,449,356,400.00 4%
Education: $433,087,017,300.00 3%
Religion & Spirituality: $2,598,522,103,800.00 18%
Defence: $4,763,957,190,300.00 33%
Law & Order: $2,454,159,764,700.00 17%
Commerce: $1,010,536,373,700.00 7%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $0.00 0%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%

religious worship of a single dictator.

Actually, CM is very Christian. Very fundamental is some cases, in others, you can argue.

The Commonwealth Armies surely carry enough supplies for several days' sustained action with them? Or has this been overlooked? And if so, how? And why?


The commonwealth armies have enough supplies in depots in their nations, for approximately 1-2 years of sustained defensive combat.

We keep stockpiles of over 40 trillion rounds of various small arms calibers in depots in Mississippi.

The government of LRR stands by NATO's ultimatum, and will contribute military forces (albeit very few- the LRRA is a second-rate force off LRR terrain) in the event of a conflict.

Communist Mississippi has gone unchecked for way too long.

Actually, in your Rps you have consistently stated that CM has minimal if any social welfare. As for the religious worship of a dictator, you are perfectly aware of what I mean. Stop attempting to dodge the issue. Will you build factories capable of producting arms or materials that could be used in their manufacture with less than 36 hours' alteration?

"Still... its not polite to go around calling people Adolf Hitler these days... its politically incorrect," Ambassador Richardson responded and under his breath, "intolerant bastard."

The commonwealth armies have enough supplies in depots in their nations, for approximately 1-2 years of sustained defensive combat.

We keep stockpiles of over 40 trillion rounds of various small arms calibers in depots in Mississippi.

Then you do not need arms factories there.

"Still... its not polite to go around calling people Adolf Hitler these days... its politically incorrect," Ambassador Richardson responded and under his breath, "intolerant bastard."

I don't get into the habit of tolerating people who epitomise all that I despise and are then proud of it.

"Still... its not polite to go around calling people Adolf Hitler these days... its politically incorrect," Ambassador Richardson responded and under his breath, "intolerant bastard."

I thought poltical correctness was for the liberals?

Uhn. Gets everywhere.

You wouldn't happen to be a fellow Britisher?

Uhn. Gets everywhere.

You wouldn't happen to be a fellow Britisher?
If that was directed at me, I'm not quite sure what you are speaking of.

Then you do not need arms factories there.


Ooc- How about we send inspectors into your nation and territories to tell you what you don't need. Nobody knows what's best for CM except the CM government. Which you, thank God, are not!

Ah. It was. I just didn't think that there really was a liberal party as such over in the USA or wherever you are; added to which, I've seldom heard that sentiment expressed in the USA, but have heard it many times in the UK.

Ooc- How about we send inspectors into your nation and territories to tell you what you don't need. Nobody knows what's best for CM except the CM government. Which you, thank God, are not!

Actually, in many cases, it isn't the government that knows best for its people. It depends on the leaders, and the doctrines.

Actually, in many cases, it isn't the government that knows best for its people. It depends on the leaders, and the doctrines.

You have read what CM was like before the Fabus regime, right?

Ah. It was. I just didn't think that there really was a liberal party as such over in the USA or wherever you are; added to which, I've seldom heard that sentiment expressed in the USA, but have heard it many times in the UK.
I live in Oklahoma, and I tend to label people as "liberal" or "conservative" rather than Democrat or Republican, because I'm not a partisan person, though I am more liberal than conservative.

Indeed. Anyway. I am not deciding what is best for your country. I am saying that it is in the best interests of the peoples surrounding your territories if you are not able to produce arms to equip your already ludicrously over-inflated military.

You have read what CM was like before the Fabus regime, right?
Yes, I did. I still don't believe that the government always knows what is best for the people, and people don't always know whats best for everyone. There msut be compromises.

"You sure are demoralizing and causing the CM a few troubles on the internationl scene they do not deserve. I believe right now you owe them an apology! You and your entire group you call 'NATO'!"

OCC: Richardson is probably the only 'open-minded liberal person' in the United States of Canada. What the hell is a Britisher? Sounds like a company that sells bad shoe polish!

Indeed. Anyway. I am not deciding what is best for your country. I am saying that it is in the best interests of the peoples surrounding your territories if you are not able to produce arms to equip your already ludicrously over-inflated military.


Ooc: Give it up DPUO, you're alienating your own allies with your lack of reason, unwillingness to compromise, your warmongering, and your overall "I want to nuke you, give me an excuse!" attitude. I mean your own allies are starting to abandon you, what does that tell you?

OCC: Richardson is probably the only 'open-minded liberal person' in the United States of Canada. What the hell is a Britisher? Sounds like a company that sells bad shoe polish!


Brit·ish·er (br¹t“¹-sh…r) n. Informal. A native or inhabitant of Great Britain.

I don't care, mate. I really don't. I'm not going to let you build arms factories there. It doesn't affact you adversely in any significant way. Now how about you give it up. I am not looking for an excuse to nuke you, but I can see no other way of making you see that I will not give up and bow to you any longer.

OCC: To speak quite frankly, I prefer the term 'Brit' more concisely.

Fair enough. I can't understannd why some don't like it. Apparently some see it as racist!

I don't care, mate. I really don't. I'm not going to let you build arms factories there. It doesn't affact you adversely in any significant way. Now how about you give it up. I am not looking for an excuse to nuke you, but I can see no other way of making you see that I will not give up and bow to you any longer.

When did you ever bow to me? I must have been asleep during that part.

I bowed in Hogsweat, in Egypt, in Libya, in Senegal. Not any more.

I bowed in Hogsweat, in Egypt, in Libya, in Senegal. Not any more.

Ooc


Hogsweat went badly for me (Firebase Fabus) so of course to let it go. Let's not forget the fiasco in Angola.

Also Senegal is a just war.


Egypt and Libya, we needed living space. We got it, we're done... Just believe it, I have made it clear dozens of times. "I have no further territorial ambitions!" and since the first time I said that, I have made no more aggressive gains of territories! I constantly reiterate my position! I want to be a more moderate nation and help with peacekeeping and have my soldiers gain experience building rather than destroying. I want to give back to the world that has done so much for me (Well most of what they do is turn a blind eye while I do my business in Africa)

We would like to remind DontPissUsOff that these are supposed to be diplomatic discussions. Your tone has deteriorated, and you are making this alot harder than it needs to be.

Therefore, I am officially stating that Communist Mississippi has the right to arm and maintain a standing army, but let it be known that unprovoked future aggressions will result in strikes by AMF and/or NATO.

Through private communications, we have been told by CM officials that they are more than willing to abide by this treaty. However, peace is going to be harder to achieve the harder you prod CM for total pacifism. I suggest we take this in steps, and the first step is halting CM military aggressions, IE: his first strike capabilities. Granted, CM has the right to fend off and respond to any direct attacks against them, but any first strike moves by CM are prohibited.

I'm sure they can understand and abide by that.


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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-
Member of N.A.T.O

I am well aware of what these are meant to be. I can however see neither need nor reason for the construction of armaments production facilities in these territories, and will thus continue to oppose their construction with all the ability I have.

We would like to remind DontPissUsOff that these are supposed to be diplomatic discussions. Your tone has deteriorated, and you are making this alot harder than it needs to be.

Therefore, I am officially stating that Communist Mississippi has the right to arm and maintain a standing army, but let it be known that unprovoked future aggressions will result in strikes by AMF and/or NATO.

Through private communications, we have been told by CM officials that they are more than willing to abide by this treaty. However, peace is going to be harder to achieve the harder you prod CM for total pacifism. I suggest we take this in steps, and the first step is halting CM military aggressions, IE: his first strike capabilities. Granted, CM has the right to fend off and respond to any direct attacks against them, but any first strike moves by CM are prohibited.

I'm sure they can understand and abide by that.


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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-
Member of N.A.T.O



"We agree to and accept the idea of no first strikes, we accept it totally." Paul Stahlecker, foreign minister.

"That is what I have been trying to get through into this intolerant persons' mind but he is neglecting this very fact. DPUO is looking for a fight, he isn't a pacifist.... he's a warmonger. He wants a 'reason', however a invalid reason to launch a military campaign against the CM!" Exclaimed Ambassador Richardson in response to Hartman.

I don't care, mate. I really don't. I'm not going to let you build arms factories there. It doesn't affact you adversely in any significant way. Now how about you give it up. I am not looking for an excuse to nuke you, but I can see no other way of making you see that I will not give up and bow to you any longer.


The only way I see of you stopinging him from building arms and munitions factories within his own nation would be with military force. Such a military force would be unjust and over zealous. He is not doing anything that he or any other sovereighn nation has the right to do. If you attack CM then it will be treated as an act of war against me, and I will aid my ally as best I can.

Good Day Sir.

-The God Falltothzu

I am well aware of what these are meant to be. I can however see neither need nor reason for the construction of armaments production facilities in these territories, and will thus continue to oppose their construction with all the ability I have.


As long as these are conventional installations, we see no problem with it. NATO is not attempting to strangle Communist Mississippi to death by halting it's ability to field an army. NATO is, however, attempting to halt CM's territorial expansions and crimes against mankind (enslaving women and using them to breed better soldiers).

To those that are watching this unfold, NATO is not trying to stir up a war. We are merely trying to avert a possible future conflict spearheaded by CM.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-
Member of N.A.T.O

As long as these are conventional installations, we see no problem with it. NATO is not attempting to strangle Communist Mississippi to death by halting it's ability to field an army. NATO is, however, attempting to halt CM's territorial expansions and crimes against mankind (enslaving women and using them to breed better soldiers).

To those that are watching this unfold, NATO is not trying to stir up a war. We are merely trying to avert a possible future conflict spearheaded by CM.

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Minister Hartman
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Member of N.A.T.O


Ooc: If you want, I can RP giving the women the option of freedom, say 1/2 or so stay and 1/2 leave?

Of course, then there's your innumerable other offenses...

Ooc: If you want, I can RP giving the women the option of freedom, say 1/2 or so stay and 1/2 leave?


OOC: Or you could just let them go and de-escalate the situation.

For heaven's sake AMF, look at the reality will you? I'm saying that he has no need to effectively make these places self-contained military bases. Don't you see the danger in them being so?

For heaven's sake AMF, look at the reality will you? I'm saying that he has no need to effectively make these places self-contained military bases. Don't you see the danger in them being so?


Dozens of nations have told me, "One day, we're going to chase you out of those lands."

They need to be military bases! It's necessity!

OOC: Or you could just let them go and de-escalate the situation.


Ooc:
Well, it's going to have to be RPed, and RPed well :D. As soon as my RP teammate for the eugenics program issues get's back, we'll work something out. :D