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I'm no longer in this rp. I'm moving back to space tech and selling my land and anything that is on earth that belongs to me.

I apologize, I was in no way trying to argue with you. I was simply explaining why i was a little ticked off about the fact that Doujin attacked IDF, who had previously said that it wished to work together with Doujin on the matter of constructing ships primarily used to counter Doujin Class ships...I am sorry if I sounded derrogatory or aything of that nature, forgive me...

Its ok... we all get irritated :)

I'm no longer in this rp. I'm moving back to space tech and selling my land and anything that is on earth that belongs to me.

I'll buy it all off you for $1 trillion when I get to break Cam III's bank.

Pogmo Thoin...have you considered that maybe SS has just a bit more roleplay experience than you do?


On these boards he does (although I don't really call what he's doing RP'ing), but after reading some of his inane excuses for why this ubertech munchkinism can't be defeated, I can honestly say I've got socks that have more RP experience than he does. Just because I'm a noob to these boards doesn't mean I'm a noob to RP'ing.

OOC: Okay, I don't belong here, and this is just my personal opinion, so feel free to ignore me, but this is what I think;

I believe that Unum and Doujin should let IDF hit one or two warheads on target. Not because I think he's justified, oh no - frankly I detest the fact he came to the conference with his nukes on hair trigger in the first place.

No, I believe they should let IDF hit one or two warheads so that the OMP has a perfectly valid RP reason to drop more megatons on his country then ever seen in the history of nuclear warfare.

That'd be quite fun to watch. :)

Okay, that wasn't really independent... :D

OOC: Whoa, leave for half a day and this turns into an OOC b**ch fest; I should have known. I'll wait to see what the alliance decides to do before posting any IC comments, but I have a few points I'd like to make. First, who the hell mans battleships with civilians? Second, why the hell was there a submarine armed with nuclear warheads in a peaceful parade? My guess on that one is that IDF had something planned himself, considering he also had 90 fighter jets in an aerial show. Third, these actions taken by Doujin were completely reasonable ICly and were very creative OOCly. Let's see, we had a nation form an alliance whose sole point was to destroy a specific ship; a ship that just happens to be nearly exclusive to the OMP (notice I said nearly). This same nation then offers a $1 trillion reward to the first person to sink such a ship, regardless of its nationality. That move was effectively paying a nation to kill thousands of innocent sailors without provocation, in itself an act of war. Okay, so this nation then withdraws the reward and kills the alliance. If IDF had killed those thousand or so sailors and then said, "Oops, I take it back" would Doujin have been wrong for still going to war? No. This was a preemptive attack to prevent IDF from doing such a thing. Now, on top of those reasons, he has also sold ships to piratical nations and individual pirates. Then, when he has a few ships attacked by conventional weaponry, he automatically resorts to nuclear weapons (the trademark of a poor RPer). Now, if Doujin and the rest decide to accept the damage rather than retcon this, I'll probably stay in. But, be forwarned, the collection of ships you fired on is miniscule in comparison to the fleets that will be brought against you. You can even keep nuking them all you want (at which point you will be ignored and shunned by most of NS), but you will still lose. The purpose of this military campaign was to accomplish two goals: two remove IDF's leadership that supported an anti-Doujin alliance, and to remove IDF's ability to threaten Doujin and his allies. One of these goals has already been accomplished. The other can be accomplished by a systematic destruction of military and industrial facilities in IDF. It would require minimal collateral damage. Now, however, you are basically forcing a full-scale nuclear retaliation. And if we have to accept that your nukes hit our ships, then you have to accept that our nukes hit your country.

Also, unless you specifically targeted missiles at my ships, mine won't be effected as much by the strike on Doujin's, keep in mind that my ships were enforcing the far border of the exclusion zone, thus pretty far away. Now if you did specifically target my ships (and I don't know how you'd do it on such short notice), then I'll have to decide what to do. I could accept the loss of two Armadas (I have 8 more, on top of my CBG's, AAG's, DSG, and SubSquads), but you've already proved yourself to be a poor RPer, so it would probably be a waste of time. I'll get back to you with my final decision though.

Official NWV Government Statement:
Treachery.... A disgusting word. The recent actions by Doujin and the unwarranted murder of a delegation of peaceful people should have been picked up by our collective Intelligence Services. From the moment Doujin asked IDF to bring more than 1 Delegate - I knew something was afoot.

But we now ask to World to question thier conscience. If something like this right? No, of course not, and thats why we should all jump to defend IDF in this situation. I call on all Whittier Pact forces, all forces of Socialism and anyone else with an ounce of decency to rally together into a coalition.

The NWV Government voted unanimously today 150 to 0 to send 2 Carrier Groups (The 1st Fleet) to IDF's waters in preperation for an attack. This has been confirmed, and a state of War now exists between Doujin and NWV.

Each Carrier Group contains.

-1 Elessar Class SuperCarrier
* 30 F/A-18 Super Hornets.
* 35 F-35 JSF's (VTOL).
* 10 A-X's.
* 10 F14's.
* 5 A-12 Avengers.
* 1 E-2C Hawkeye
* 3 CH-53 Sea Stallions.
* 4 EA-34C's.
-4 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyers.
-3 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers.
-2 General Purpose Gunboats.
-2 Oliver Hazard Perry Class ASW Frigates (50 Tactical Tomahawks and 50 TLAMS on each).
-2 Virginia Class Future Attack Submarine.
-2 Trident II Class Ballistic Missile Submarines (30 Tactical Tomahawks and 25 TLAMS on each).
-1 Inchon Class Command Minesweeper.
-1 Command Ship.
-1 AOE-6 Combat Logistics Ship.

2 of the recently updated Curtis Fabus Class Battleships are also heading to defend IDF Waters.

Special Forces are recieving orders and all 3 Airbourne Divisions are on high Alert. One hundred F23's are currently patrolling the coasts and 100 F22A's are patrolling the skies above cities.

4 Infantry Divisions and all 4 Armored Divisions have been placed on full alert.

NWV, have you read the whole thread yet? This is probably going to wind up being retconned because that poor, put-upon nation you speak of launched nuclear weapons as his first strike (and had nuclear-armed subs in his "peaceful" parade). Anyways, go back and read my last OOC post for more info if you'd like. Now, as much as I'd hate to have to sink the ships I built and sold to you, I'll do it if pressed. Currently I'm not sure if I'm going to even stay in (depends on how everyone else feels), but if we do, please be forewarned that we view any entry into this conflict on behalf of IDF at this point as an express statement of support for his anti-Doujin pact, his ransom for sinking a Doujin, his selling of ships to piratical nations, and his nuclear strike against conventional forces. That statement of support renders you no better than IDF in the eyes of this government and could leave you to the same fate. I ask that you reconsider your actions, or at least wait until the course this will take is decided.

And come on, you have to at least admit that Doujin's move was pretty darn smart/clever.

[*laughs manically as yet another Whittier Pac member shows his mug* Sorry man, but the Pact is puppetwank, and just to cut your protestations of innocense off at the knees, let me say that I don't care. My OOC policy is that the Pact is riddled with puppets and sort the wheat from the chaff isn't worth the time and effort. *hits retcon button*]

The attack was completely unwarranted. And was disgusting. It was a backstab, as simple as that.

Our actions so far constitute a defence of IDF. Not an attack on any nation.

It was a preemptive strike against a nation that was threatening the safety of Doujin and his allies (namely the OMP). Furthermore, to come to his defense and say he is innocent is supporting all of his actions in the eyes of this government. Such support renders you on the same level as he. I really have no problem with you OOCly, but that is the stance of my government (and most any government). I really hope you reconsider and just issue a statement supporting him and condemning us rather than going to all-out military action. But, of course, the decision is up to you...

IDF, due to a... conflict of interest, the Granzian embassy will be closing indefinantly until further notice. We ask that you allow the embassy personnel to leave peacefully. Thank you.

OOC: NWV, please don't butt into every thread you encounter. This doesn't concern you.

It was a preemptive strike against a nation that was threatening the safety of Doujin and his allies (namely the OMP). Furthermore, to come to his defense and say he is innocent is supporting all of his actions in the eyes of this government. Such support renders you on the same level as he. I really have no problem with you OOCly, but that is the stance of my government (and most any government). I really hope you reconsider and just issue a statement supporting him and condemning us rather than going to all-out military action. But, of course, the decision is up to you...

As I said, no offensive action will be taken unless Military action against IDF's Homeland is taken. This is reasonable.

OOC: NWV, please don't butt into every thread you encounter. This doesn't concern you.

OOC: Are you some kind of a n00b? Of course this concerns me if IDF is my ally. Thats like telling Russia before the eve of Operation Barbarossa 'Don't attack German forces that burn down your villages and kill your civilian populace Mr. Stalin - as it doesn't involve you!'

n00bishness

OOC: Several things. First off, I tried reading this thread but now I have a huge headache from all the bickering and fighting.

I attacked IDF not simply because he put a bounty out for a class of ship sold by me to my allies and in use by myself, but because IDF long standingly has supplied pirates ships. The Organization of Maritime Powers main goal is to keep the seas free from piracy and those who wish to disrupt international maritime commerce. That said, let's get to his initial nuclear response.

Why would you have nuclear vessels in and at a parade? And your response time for launching nuclear munitions is far to quick. Further, your Fleet was the only thing attacked - and if you had 200,000 thousand citizens on a military vessel then it is purely your fault at that.

The attack that came upon IDF's forces has been coming for a long time. IDF's President was never "taken hostage". He was, however, arrested for breaking International Law regarding maritime commerce. IDF's reaction was unreasonable, unlikely, and non-acceptable. I have no problem losing Doujin ships, nor any of the vessels that went there. However, I do have a problem when you are going to claim civilian deaths when I targeted no civilians at all, and make many false accusations.

Before I continue, Axis Nova - stay out. I never said you could come to the conference, therefor your plane was not attacked because it wasn't there.

Now I deeply apologize to all parties involved, but I will retcon this unless IDF takes a more reasonable approach. I had it planned that his leader would be tried in a joint court - of the OMP and of the nation IDF itself as to give a fair and impartial trial.

IDF, listen - take a couple hours, calm down, and then come up with a proper response. Seriously, when you bring in nukes - especially nukes against larger countries than yourself - you change the playing field. Unum Veritas, Scandavian States and whomever else that gets hurt by this will retaliate. I myself considered accepting the attack and launching thousands of nuclear ICGMs and ICBMs, but I changed my mind and decided to try and convince you to make this a good RP.

I'm not going and wouldn't ignore the Whittier Pact, as long as the nations that chose to join are capable of role-playing decently. I'm not about to go through this argueing crap again, this is a whole new Allanea "Free Axackal" war again. I personally don't want to deal with the bickering.

On that note, I want all the argueing to stop. Now. It really isn't worth it, frankly. We can continue this in a new thread, a Closed RP, where IDF can get a few select allies, and me, Unum Veritas, and someone else go at it - without Nuclear weapons, Super-dreadnoughts, orbital weaponry, and such.

*shrug* I'm more than fine with launching thousand upon thousands of Nuclear ICGMs and ICBMs at you, because after this RP I plan on taking an extended break from NS in which the effects from nuclear weaponry will wear off. IDF, I think I am being very fair right now. In the end, it is up to you. But I will retcon this if you insist that you could have the response you gave.

Edit: Your "cruise missiles" with nuclear warheads are on the size of stratetic nuclear warheads, as tactical nukes are low yield.

OOC: Are you some kind of a n00b? Of course this concerns me if IDF is my ally. Thats like telling Russia before the eve of Operation Barbarossa 'Don't attack German forces that burn down your villages and kill your civilian populace Mr. Stalin - as it doesn't involve you!'

n00bishness


Bad example. You are not the one being attacked. In this case, we already have many people joining in, and sending in armed forces just due to an allaince is not advisable. First consider, what would happen if everyone's ally joined in. The RP would dissolve in a flame war as is already happening. Second, put insults out of this. All I said was that is doesn't concern you, after that encounter in Mozambique. Lightning Star was generous enough by giving you the northern portion, but it ruined the RP. Even when you just posted, "I send in ...." when you weren't invited. Third, posting the exact same deployment in every post you encounter ins't a good idea either. I'm not going to stoop to your level, but I know how to RP properly. I'm retiring from this thread after this.

Doujin, who are you and your allies to control the seas?

You down own the ocean, everyone does.

I may as well walk down a hall and claim to everyone "I own space. GET OUT OF IT!"

Doujin, who are you and your allies to control the seas?

You down own the ocean, everyone does.

I may as well walk down a hall and claim to everyone "I own space. GET OUT OF IT!"

OOC: The Organization of Maritime Powers was set up to keep the seas free from opression and those who wish to commit acts of piracy/support piracy.


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OOC: The Organization of Maritime Powers was set up to keep the seas free from opression and those who wish to commit acts of piracy/support piracy.
That's BS. The sea doesn't belong to you. Personally, if you entered my nation's waters, I'd blow your frikkin head off. But considering I'm auctioning off my land and navy, etc, you're lucky.

Third, posting the exact same deployment in every post you encounter ins't a good idea either

Because those are my forces. I don't lie and post new forces every week. Even though my budget won't accomodate it. 6 Carrier Groups - Each one is the same.

OOC: I'm really beginning to dislike you.

Consider what would happen if everyone's ally joined in

Isn't that the idea of having allies?

n00b

That's BS. The sea doesn't belong to you. Personally, if you entered my nation's waters, I'd blow your frikkin head off. But considering I'm auctioning off my land and navy, etc, you're lucky.

OOC: International Waters, not national waters of individual nations. I, nor we, never claimed the "sea" / ocean belonged to us. However we are keeping it free for everyone to use. Quit acting like a child and lose the attitude.

OOC: I agree with Doujin, I'm all for starting a new thread and having it as a closed RP between a few, pre-selected nations, with set rules of engagement. I too am willing to accept the losses incurred by IDF's wanton nuclear attack, but then my nation's policy would force me to create radioactive Lake IDF. It would be better all around if the nuclear warheads were rescended. And, on some technical matters: yes IDF, your submarine was very close to the Doujin. That in itself is a problem. Missiles have a safety mechanism that prevents them from detonating until they are a certain distance from the vessel that launched them. If your sub was so close, then chances are the missiles would not have deactivated this feature yet, so all they're going to do is hit the ships' armor and dent it. No explosion, no nothing. One other matter: why bring a submarine to a parade in the first place? People can't see underwater... Unless of course it was riding on the surface the entire time, in which case you have quite a few very seasick mariners on your hands...

That's BS. The sea doesn't belong to you. Personally, if you entered my nation's waters, I'd blow your frikkin head off. But considering I'm auctioning off my land and navy, etc, you're lucky.

Of cause it’s BS! doujin makes super dreadnaughts which are "Unsinkable" and RPs with no casualties taken so that if anyone went to war with him they would not win. I say everyone ignores any nation using super dreadnaughts as they make RP dull and are just goddmodding personified.

Of cause it’s BS! doujin makes super dreadnaughts which are "Unsinkable" and RPs with no casualties taken so that if anyone went to war with him they would not win. I say everyone ignores any nation using super dreadnaughts as they make RP dull and are just goddmodding personified.

OOC: RP's with no casualties taken? Excuse you? Pretty much the only military RP I've been in I lost over 20 large vessels and had taken damage to over 15. You can leave my thread now, thanks. I'm definatly not in the mood to put up with people who wish to lie as badly as you just did.

Let's try and handle things with a bit of common decency next time, hmm?
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