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Buechoria
17-07-2004, 02:24
Prime Minister Charles Helms straightened his favorite red tie and brushed off his brand new black blazer and khaki pants. His shoes gleamed as the light from a nearby lamp glanced off them. A man wearing a shortsleeve collared shirt, jeans and a hedphone popped his head into the Prime Ministers bedroom.
"10 minutes Mr. Helms." Helms nodded as he straightened his tie once again and looked at himself in the mirror. He then walked over to a mejetsic oak desk and picked up a few pieces of paper. After shuffling through them he found his speech. The man pooped back into the room "We're ready for you know, Mr. Helms!" Helms sighed and followed him down a hallway. After passign through endless doorways and rooms of his home, he reached his lawn. The grass was green and short, the aroma of it floating in the air.
"And now, the Prime Minister of Buechoria, Charles Benton Helms!" the Vice president cheerily announced. He walked off the stage and the press (and neabry audience) clapped and cheered wildly as Helms waved and walked up to the podium, the gold wreath surrounding the blue star of the Buechorian flag emblazened upon it's front.

Helms coughed, then looked down at him speech. He looked at the audience and began to speak: "Citizens of Buechoria, members of the international press and news syndicates. It is a great honor to speak to you at this conference. The reason I am speaking is because of the ongoing war with Sino. Many are confused with this war, and I will try and explain.

Helms coughed, took a deep breath and began to speak again. "This war was started when we defied Sino's oppression and eventual killing of 100 innocent souls. We had troops on there border. When we were provoked, we invaded, but later pulled out. Sino was insistant on fighting us, so we left a few troops inside Sino to observe the situation.
Instea dof Sino calming down and our troops leaving, they were attacked and killed when coming home on V-22 Ospreys." Helms paused as the flashes of cameras blinded his sight. They died down and he continued. "Now, we are in this mess. I must make an apology. It was wrong of me to send in troops... But..."

Helms gazed quietly at the crowd for a moment... "Sino is a coward! Sending two nations to do their dirty work and kill almost 1 million innocent Buechorian citizens!? I hope you're hearing this Liu, because you must realize that Buechoria is a strong, free, parlimentary nation. And we shall not give up until we drive you into the ground!"

Helms took a breath and stared at the crowd, expecting them to boo him... Instead, a slow, but steadily growing cheer arose formt he silent press members. Not only that but any nearby citizen who heard his speech. That day, Buechorian morale was at it's highest. Citizens hung "freedom flags" out fo their windows, showing they were supporting the troops by donating canned foods and other such commodities. The flags were gold with a blue star in the middle. If they had a son or daughter in the military fighting or dead, they had a blue flag with a red star for every dead family member and a gold star for every fighting family member.
Belem
17-07-2004, 04:33
20 Crusaders are destroyed by the A-10 attack.

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The rest of the divisions in the assault finish there landing on the Buechorian beach.

The two new divisions which have landed set a course into the interior of the country. The tanks and troops are moving in a broad front(approx. 50-70 miles) southward towards Vikra(sp?) on the the coast. Troops are outfitted with NBC gear and there are about 60 fighters and 50 choppers on overfly at all time.

The initial landing division stays behind and sets up a defensive perimeter with the rest of the landed artillery. The support troops unloaded from the fleet immediately begin setting up AA defense(in conjuction with the fleet and the large radar arrays) and begin the construction of makeshift runways and ports.

Specs for each division:
25 thousand troops(10 thousand infantry)
700 Crusaders
700 Crusader IIs
100 Lancer tanks
1000 Cavalier APCs
500 Self propelled artilleries
500 Towed arrays
assorted humvees, trucks and supply vechiles
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Later in the day the 4th fleet arrives to reinforce fleet positions and the air force. 4th fleet is a completly refitted fleet with new ship models(ooc: Ill post a link to stats.) The fleet also is escorting more transport ships with an additional 2 armored divisions which are being prepared to be offloaded within a few days.

Fleet specs:
4 Intrepid Class Carriers
4 Fiery Avenger missile ships
4 Shield AA ships
4 Tracker ASW ships
20 Romulus battleships
30 Legate Heavy Cruisers
40 Vesuvius Frigates
60 Centurion Destroyers
10 Velite Attack Submarines.
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Edit: The fleet launches 300 tomahawks against Buechorian Artillery positions(the smerches.)
Langvioa
17-07-2004, 14:01
The noise of the battle on the beaches got louder by each passing minute. The troops in the 1st airborne were jumpy at best. The units of the second shock that were airlifted arrived, bringing the total unit count up to 11,013 combat tanks and soldiers, and 300 support units.
Back at HQ the high command was speculating whether or not they should mobilize the 1st Infantry Division. They had recently sent CTΨ (Psi) 40 Leopard IIs) ,CTΞ (Xi) 32 Leopard IIs) , and D company, 12th TD battalion (45 Jaguar II TDs). This group was called Armor Corps Gamma. The CTΣ would join them at the camp when they arrived.
Hirgizstan
17-07-2004, 15:56
OOC: The EB-52 is a Stealth Aircraft, ship-borne radar cannot pick it up, visual confirmation by aircraft can be effective, the EB-52 is most vulnerable when it fires so i'll pick up after it has fired its missiles and RP with the CAP mission sent by you.

IC:
The Mission Commanders screen bleeped twice and showed a close-up display of the surrounding area, two dots appeared, beside the dots were numbers including heading, speed, altitude and aircraft type. "Sir, we have two incoming Belem F-40's, they will have visual sighting if we can't get into the clouds, they are in radar missile range."

The Pilot stared at his own display, his supercockpit display gave a similar reading but also gave the readings of the Flight-avionics. "Ok, Launch Towed Array." The MC gave the command and a whirring noise could be heard through throughout the plane. The towed radar array would confuse the enemy radar, hopefully sending them and any missiles of course. "Sir, we have freindly aircraft on bearing zero-six-niner, ETA, 5 minutes, looks like the Dragons from the 9th." The AL-52 Dragon was the most cutting edge technology in aviation history, a highly modified B-52 with a High-intensity laser below the pointed nosecone, able to di-sect incoming missiles and burn up enemy aircraft.

The MC looked again at the his screen as it beeped once more, the enemy F-40's had a radar lock on the towed array and were buying into it. "Sir-", as the MC began to speak the F-40's rapidly changed course, instead of following the towed array's emissions they were on course with the EB-52 itself. "Sir, enemy rapidly changing course, it looks like they have a visual confirmation." Cloud cover was slight and the possibility of a visual sighting was high. "Roger, dropping to COLA (Computer Oriented Low Altitude), i'll try and run them off." The Pilot disengaged from the autopilot and pushed the throttles to full military power, taking the bomber into a dive toward the sea.

Deedleeedleleedleedlle! The MC's display was flashing rapidly with a warning beep going off, the enemy planes had fired two Meidum Range Missiles. "Sir, we have to incoming, ETI-2 minutes."

The Missiles soared through the near cloudless sky following the giant bomber, its stealthiness was broken by the human eye. "Sir we confirmation of the first Wolverin attack-all targets down, repate all targets down. Two Missiles still incoming." The Pilot was grimacing as he tried to keep the big plane as low as possible. "Launching decoy flares and chaff."
"No effect..missiles still on target, evasive maneuvres, " the pilot sid through his teeth as he banked the plane shaprly to the right.

There was an impact, a massive explosion rocked the plane, with near earthquake violence, but the missiles had hit the towed array, tearing it off completely. "Sir, Negative impact, towed array is down, no more missiles, aircraft still tracking. The fourth Wolverin attack was confirmed, direct hit, all missiles hit but one, flighthawks are being detonated-now." The MC flicked an Arm switch that detonated explosives on the Flighthawk UAV's, destroying them before being shot down.

"Big Bird, this Sierra Mike, we are crossing your path, two bogeys on your six, please advise over."

The MC of the EB-52 keyed his Mic, "Sierra Mike, Big Bird MC here, towed array took a Direct hit, Wolverine attack was a success, we cannot engage with the enemy, our tail rudder seems to be torn up with shrapnel, can you engage for us?"

"Roger Big Bird, a Fighter Escort is on its way, try and make it to ARSB Airspace, consider the enemy's toast, Sierra Mike out."

The AL-52 Cruised high above the battlefield, the two F-40's were still trailing the EB-52 but they had obviosuly lost their radar lock. "We have two enemy's locked, toggle the missile, begin attack on E-1." The Computer echoed the command and a virbation went through the High-Tech bomber as the Laser module was toggled for attack, the rumbling got louder as the Laser began to power up and a humming noise could be heard as the Laser was channeled onto the Aircraft's tail. The F-40 pilot did not see it coming, the engines suddenly burst into flames and the aircraft barreled wildly out of control, the same fate met his wingman who ejected as the engines flamed up.

(Belem: I guess you need to RP the losses of your Ground Forces from the Wolverine Attack????)

Two EA-6B Prowler Aircraft roared of the deck of the HS-Agamemnon. They were to jam the enemy AA Defense Radar so a flight of A-10A's and F-15E's could make a bombing run against the beachead defense forces.

The 10 A-10A's had the privelege of being tasked with flying destroying the enemy's Lacner Tanks, and the 10 F-15E's were to concentrate on the Artillery and AA Defense sites. They were accompanied by 10 F/A-22A Raptor Fighter Aircraft to deal with any Aircraft in defense.


During the course of battle, two F/A-22A's were shot down by Belem Forces in the air, while the Air Armada got through with the help of the EA-6B Prowlers. (Belem, the A-10A's are armed with Armour Piercing Cluster Munitions and Maverick Missiles, 4 Mavs and 4 Cluster Bombs per aircraft, while the F-15E's are armed with Anti-Radar Missiles and AP GPS Guided Cluster Bombs, you can RP, but don't fire any SAM Missiles, i have already RP'd two EA6B's, any missiles would be jammed, you can RP your losses as you see fit, but they'd be pretty high).
Buechoria
17-07-2004, 18:14
At 2600 hours, Oberst Dietrich Koch lowered his binoculars. Dietrich was the Colonel of the 56th Artillery Regiment. Posted exactly one mile from the beachead, in dense foilage, the 10 guns under his command were caliberated to hit the defensive perimiter of the tanks and troops. "What ammunition are we using again?" Dietrich asked a nearby gunner. "HE sir.." Dietrich nodded "Yes, yes.. Alright, everyone aimed!?" Dietrich screamed so all 10 guns in a row could hear him. He got a loud "JA!" from each one. The clunk of ammunition being loaded into the 10 M198 155 mm Howitzers had always irritated Dietrich. Finally, the clanking was over, and Dietrich gave the signal to fire. "FIRE, FIRST VOLLEY!" The explosions roared throughout the forest and then the hissing of vast amounts of air being pushed out of the Howitzer by the shell followed. "RELOAD!" Dietrich found himself yelling that until nightfall. At 1000 hours, the volleys stopped and the crews were replaced, to begin firing at approximetly 2600 hours the next day. Dietrich watched the first crew leave on 5.5 Ton transport trucks, and the new crew come in. The set up small tents, and began to fall asleep. Dietrich sighed and mde his way to his tent. As he walked deeper intot he firest, a snowflakes hit his arm.

It was snowing again...

OOC: It takes about 5 minutes to load each shell again. If 10 volleys are fired every 5 minutes between 4 o' clock PM and 1 o' clock AM. 12 volleys of ten every hour, means thats 120 shells on the defensive position every hour. Now, lets do that for... 12 hours.

Oh my.

1200 HE Shells have been launched at your definsive perimiter. Have fun.

Also, it is now nighttime. And begininning to snow (No, this isn't an act of god, it because Buechoria is either very hot ro very cold and it's winter.
Belem
17-07-2004, 19:29
OOC: Hirgizstan dont post my loses its against warring rules and also I invested alot of time in developing anti stealth radar and there were numerous studies done showing by increasing the radars power you could detect stealth aircraft im finding the links to them now.
Also I would like to note you are using 2 prowlers against an area with hundreds of radar signals(because of the fleet) 2 prowlers would have a very difficult job of jamming all those frequencies not to mention I would have alot of aircraft avalible over the base and I could also use the IR tracking of the missile instead of radar.


Edit: heres a few about detection of stealth aircraft, im still trying to find one major article about it that I saw 3 months ago.
http://www.sciencefairs.bc.ca/regions/gvrsf/2002/s36e.html
http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/Anti-StealthTechnology.pdf (this shows using surface radar you can make the radar array more sensitive to detect stealth and also that radar can be used to detect stealth.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/01/06/wafg206.xml
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N63/Stealth.63f.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2001/e20010619stealths.htm (this is important because of the amount of ships and AWACs in the area the deflected beams have a high probability of bouncing into a different station)
http://www.aeronautics.ru/lbandradars.htm
Belem
17-07-2004, 19:48
At 2600 hours, Oberst Dietrich Koch lowered his binoculars. Dietrich was the Colonel of the 56th Artillery Regiment. Posted exactly one mile from the beachead, in dense foilage, the 10 guns under his command were caliberated to hit the defensive perimiter of the tanks and troops. "What ammunition are we using again?" Dietrich asked a nearby gunner. "HE sir.." Dietrich nodded "Yes, yes.. Alright, everyone aimed!?" Dietrich screamed so all 10 guns in a row could hear him. He got a loud "JA!" from each one. The clunk of ammunition being loaded into the 10 M198 155 mm Howitzers had always irritated Dietrich. Finally, the clanking was over, and Dietrich gave the signal to fire. "FIRE, FIRST VOLLEY!" The explosions roared throughout the forest and then the hissing of vast amounts of air being pushed out of the Howitzer by the shell followed. "RELOAD!" Dietrich found himself yelling that until nightfall. At 1000 hours, the volleys stopped and the crews were replaced, to begin firing at approximetly 2600 hours the next day. Dietrich watched the first crew leave on 5.5 Ton transport trucks, and the new crew come in. The set up small tents, and began to fall asleep. Dietrich sighed and mde his way to his tent. As he walked deeper intot he firest, a snowflakes hit his arm.

It was snowing again...

OOC: It takes about 5 minutes to load each shell again. If 10 volleys are fired every 5 minutes between 4 o' clock PM and 1 o' clock AM. 12 volleys of ten every hour, means thats 120 shells on the defensive position every hour. Now, lets do that for... 12 hours.

Oh my.

1200 HE Shells have been launched at your definsive perimiter. Have fun.

Also, it is now nighttime. And begininning to snow (No, this isn't an act of god, it because Buechoria is either very hot ro very cold and it's winter.

OOC: well my troops are advancing so im assuming these are on the western expanse of my base.

IC: The ground forces take cover and radar batteries begin tracking shells(i forget the name of the system but its possible.) After about the 3rd volley 60 artillery pieces in the base open fire with a counter barrage against the artillery batteries.

4 Apaches from the fleet(most of the choppers haven't been offloaded yet) take off and head towards the location of the artillery guns using IR scopes to detect the enemy troops.
Soviet Bloc
18-07-2004, 05:37
OOC- State your losses in the second neutron attack.
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Losses from the run on Belem landing forces- 8 F-57As, 4 DP-21s, 12 DP-02As.
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The morning was clear, cold, and damp, but that made little difference to the ARSB soldiers. A sizable camp was built in a clearing in one of Buechoria's dense forests. Nearly a hundred infantry canopy/tent systems were erected, waiting one day to begin the long haul to the Belem landing positions. Patrols were regular as was communications. Two dozen MMPWV M-04s were continually driving around, out on patrol, picking up commanding officers, hauling supplies, whatever. Another twenty T-05A air droppable tanks were lined up along one wall of the forest while another dozen SIV-21D Air defense units stood sentinel through-out the camp.

This camp was erected for the 5th Regiment, 56th Airborne Infantry Division, a sizable ARSB flag stood wavering near the middle, a Buechorian flag to its right. Nearly three hours after the landing a howl was heard in the distance as it slowly approached. Radar systems quickly located the target and identified it as a guided cruise missile. Payload was unknown and as it approached the camp, many personnel scattered, knowning they didn't have anything to shoot it down yet... Vehicles roared to life and drove into the trees, not knowing that the payload was nuclear.

Under a minute later and that 5 square mile clearing dissappeared in a flash of light, taking with it the entire 5th Regiment, all 450 men and women.

This same scenario repeated itself three more times. All in all nearly 900 men and women perished. Many were saved due to the facts that the terrain was uneven, many low spots, hills, and ridges as well as intense foliage (dense forests, etc.) which localized the blasts.

Most of the soldiers were lucky, and they knew it. They mourned their lost brethren for mere minutes before rallying together and moving out. They would make damn sure every Belem soldier and civilian never forgot what they had done. They would perish at the hands of Soviet Bloc's and her allies' soldiers.
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The rest of the 56th Airborne Infantry Division made good time, especially coupled with the 15th ACR. They were moving straight north, towards the Belem landing forces. They wouldn't get there for a day or two, but they were prepared for anything. 'D' Company, 4th Platoon, 3rd Regiment, 56th AID, was leading the way with its light M-08 reconaissance vehicles. They were nearly thirty miles ahead of the main force, paving the way.


The 98th Airborne Armor Division and the 64th were now moving east (assuming that the Belem LZ was to the north), still nearly two or three hundred miles from any Belem force. They would wheel around, stay away from the coast and come up on Belem's flank.

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Meanwhile...

1st Lieutenant Boris Woitzel sat in the passenger seat of the M-08 Reconaissance vehicle as it rolled over a rugged off-road path through a dense forest, a light snow falling ... He was staring at a large LCD screen in front of him... He was watching their vehicle from space as it rolled through the Buechorian forests... A box in the corner stated their range to the nearest Belem unit... They were twenty two miles away. Recon-Unit 45-2 was dropped in along with another twenty reconaissance vehicles and light IFVs aboard a half-dozen CL-99 special forces transport aircraft.

He glanced to the driver, Sergeant Yuriy Restikov... "Turn left..." He then glanced to the screen again... "There!" He pointed to a stick road that turned off from the main road. The corporal cranked the wheel and the low-slung vehicle veered to the left, its massive wheels absorbing each and every bump. It was a smooth ride for the lieutenant, the driver, and the five other men riding. Two more men sat in the rear passenger compartment, Specialist Gregori Stepanovich and Specialist Yuriy Komrosky. The two soldiers were operating communications equipment as well as a direct satellite link.

In the rear armored passenger compartment sat a three-man SpetsNaz fire team consisting of First Sergeant Sergei Gregorov, Corporal Ryan Kevinsky, and Corporal Josef Yterovansky. They sat in the rear compartment, sliding around as the vehicle moved, joking to themselves.

Up front the Lieutenant stared at the screen... Almost there, he thought to himself. Slowly, they began heading up a gentle hill, it suddenly became quite steep. "Put electric on too and change drive to concentric with tires at 045 pressure." He said without even really thinking about it. The corporal driving nodded and hit a control pad on the wheel, a whirring filled the cab and then a whistling sound. The overall height of the vehicle dropped a few inches and its electric drive kicked in, it quickly made it up the hill and circled around a pile of rocks... A small coniferous forest surrounded the small 'mound', the trees were tall enough to conceal the recon car and taller trees provided a back-ground to prevent anyone from seeing the extendable electro-optical sensor mast. A green light flickered on in the rear compartment and the three SpetsNaz soldiers slid open the door and headed out into the night. They scanned the immediate horizon with their VEPR suits' infrared and millimetric radar systems. All clear. They signaled to the lieutenant that the area was clear. The vehicle's low-noise diesel engine slumped to a halt.

The SpetsNaz soldiers began setting up debris around the vehicle and cleared its tracks... The vehicle was pretty much invisible.

"Alright, raise her up, lets get a look at what we're up against..." The lieutenant nodded to one of the specialists in the rear...

"Yes sir," returned Spc. Komrosky. He flipped up a panel and hit a hydraulic lever... A low noise was emitted and the mast rose a few feet... Spc. Stepanovich climbed out with a camoflauge netting and drapped it over the mast. He then pulled out a few more camo netting sets and draped them over the windshield, the side, and any other noticeable areas of the vehicle... The corporal driver lowered the suspension until the vehicle's undercarriage was touching the ground. The air pressure of the tires were then lowered until the entire vehicle rested on the ground. The entire vehicle was now a mere four and a half feet tall. Specialist Komrosky then hit a seperate control and raised the sensor mast its full height of 2 meters tall... The lieutenant glanced to the LCD screen and entered a few commands, a seperate screen came up and he hit a small joystick-like control, swinging the sensor pod around, he found his target and zoomed in with the infrared sensor combining it with the millimetric radar sight. His eyes lit up... "Bingo..." He leaned to the side and pointed to the screen... "Look at that... Beautiful ain't it?" He grinned. The two specialists looked at the screen, each one beamed, they were staring at the edge of the Belem military force that had landed.

The lieutenant then turned to look at the two specialists... "Alright, here's the deal, we're staying her for a few days to observe them, if they start moving this way, our orders are to get the hell out of here. Intel doesn't think they will. Either way, we'll sit here and watch them, calling in artillery and what not." He stopped for a second glancing at the screen again... "Intel says they know where artillery is fired from so the boys in field artillery came up with a fast firing, fast exit set-up so they can fire and get the hell out of there before the Belem artillery falls in. We'll be pushing this rig's range but we can handle it, we're about 23 miles from the nearest Belem position."

The two specialists nodded and immediately went to work, establishing a satellite uplink to A Battery, 51st Field Artillery Regiment which was dropped in along with the recon vehicles. The battery was split up into six groups of ten, spread out over a 450 square mile area about 25 miles from the nearest Belem position. The exact coordinates of the Belem camp was sent to the seperate artillery units. The data was processed and the sixty LAP155 155mm artillery pieces, still attached to their mother MMPWV M-0599 artillery munitions vehicles, prepared to fire. The artillery crews each dropped in the AM-G14 extended range grenade carrying, self-destructing artillery shells. A minute later and sixty thumps shattered the night air through-out Buechoria, the large shells penetrating the cold and snow, their small guidance wings popping and their rockets igniting, giving them the extra boost to give them the range. Immediately after the thunderous roar, diesel engines came to life, headlights flickering on... Every one of the MMPWVs quickly moved the hell out of their previous positions, moving at least a mile away. Decoys were left that resembled artillery pieces. Some were logs raised up on more logs, either way, they resembled artillery pieces.

The shells screamed through the air before approaching their target, one of Belem's larger camps, along the shore. The shells were aimed for a point at the edge of the camp while a fuze would make sure the HE grenades were dropped over the infantry positions and campsites. The actual shells were aimed for vehicles and other armored targets along the camp edge where their kinetic energy and self-destruction explosives would destroy tanks. The shells were fired in a way that they would basically blanket the base with grenades covering most if not all of the camp's territory. The first shell entered the base's perimeter... A small explosive charge popped open a panel revealing 85 tightly packed M-71 HE grenades packed in a circular formation around a small explosive core. The core detonated spreading the 85 grenades over a wide area... Each one fell towards the ground until their fuzes cuased them to detonate, erupting the area in a massive shrapnel and explosive field... Another explosive charge detonated in the shell's tail, creating even more shrapnel. The front end's rocket motors ignited and propelled it into a tank, just clipping it in the front end. The semtex in the nose ignited and filled anything nearby with shrapnel. All sixty shells did the same. Infantry would be decimated in this attack. Lightly armored vehicles could be destroyed, depending on proximity to explosion. Armored vehicles could sustain some damage.

Every fifteen minutes this scenario would repeat itself unless a vehicle happened to get knocked out. All in all, 12 barrages were fired, three hours worth until the artillery vehicles dissipated into the woods and away from the Belem forces. If helicopters were dispatched, they would be promptly dealt with by some air defense MMPWVs or MANPAD-toting infantry.

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C-214 cargo lifters had dropped in an entire airborne cavalry regiment with a full compliment of SAH-17s and HVC-03 transports along with the group's 1200 infantry. They would lag behind and support the flanking unit.
Buechoria
18-07-2004, 05:43
Belem, no offense, but you can't say you attacked before the time of the post happened...
Belem
18-07-2004, 06:12
Belem, no offense, but you can't say you attacked before the time of the post happened...
OOC: what? the only post i made was a retailation attaxk against your bombardment.
Belem
18-07-2004, 06:41
OOC: sorry missed damage it was 300 for each model of tank and 2 thousand soldiers with apcs so 200 of those were still on the beach.

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As the first artillery shells begin hitting the base and construction sites troops take cover and begin heading towards the first temporary bunkers(OOC: mainly sandbags surroundings a like 2-3 feet thick and a roof with some metal on top, the sides are enough to stop shrapnell.)

By the third volley the path from enemy fire is calculated and 100 artillery guns return fire on enemy positions.

16 Apaches are launched from the fleet using IR scopes to locate enemy troop positions.
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casualities about 900 troops.
Numerous trucks and humvees and engineering equipment.
Soviet Bloc
18-07-2004, 07:11
(Assuming you're firing on where they fired from) Due to the continuous moving of the artillery pieces, only about eighteen artillery pieces were destroyed as they began retreating. Along with the 18 downed artillery pieces, sixteen MMPWV M-04s were destroyed along with a single heavily damaged SIV-21 air defense unit. Some thirty-two soldiers were killed.

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Millimetric radar from a few of the recon vehicles picked up the Apaches as they roared towards the ARSB positions... Two dozen soldiers, seven armed with MANPAD AAM-98 anti-aircraft missile launchers stand within the dense foliage. Due to the cold temperature, snow, and thick forest, the soldiers are barely visible to the IR of the Apaches. As they fly nearby, about a mile out, the men emerge from the trees. A second later and seven AAM-98 anti-aircraft missiles are fired... Their computers immediately lock onto the Apache's heat signatures and trail seven of the Apaches...


Another mile away, a detachment of MMPWV M-047 air defense units open fire, sending another eighteen AAM-98 anti-aircraft missiles at the Apaches. They're guided by infrared systems in the missiles and a millimetric radar based on the MMPWV launch vehicle.

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Six artillery pieces are moved into position to fire a dozen AM-N90 six canister napalm 155mm shells. They're fired from the LAP155 155mm cannons towards the same Belem position in two volleys fired at a five minute interval.

As the shells launch their rockets ignite, propelling them up to speed and setting them into a terminal arc. Minutes later and an explosive charge shatters the bottom of the shell, plastering the ground with shrapnel. The six canisters of napalm are shot outwards by an explosive core and the canisters slam into the ground, bursting and covering anything nearby in the flammable gel. The forward portion of the shell continues on, but on this version it has a much larger explosive core with more shrapnel. The forward portions impact the ground towards the middle of the base and explode creating a small fireball and flinging shrapnel in all directions.
Belem
18-07-2004, 07:33
OOC: the AAM-7 is basically a soviet stinger correct?

IC: 3 of the Apaches are taken down by the AAMs 8 are taken down by the AAM-98s.

The 5 remaining choppers each launch two hellfires apiece at the air defense units(ooc: since firing the missiles would give off there location.)


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The center of the camp is the under construction air field so the napalm attacks while not causing any damage to the troops cause significant damage to the under construction airfield.
Soviet Bloc
18-07-2004, 07:44
OOC- The AAM-98 is a variant of our ATM-7B anti-tank missile (for shoulder-launched units) which is in turn a variant of the ATM-15B aircraft anti-tank missile and vehicle-mounted anti-tank missile. Otherwise, yeah, but its got a better computer for better target acquisition (better kill ratio) and is alot faster and more damaging.

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(I'm assuming two missiles are launched at each vehicle)

Four of the seven MMPWV air defense units erupt in balls of flame as two missiles hit each one. Their crews are incinerated. One of them manages to speed away but maintains heavy shrapnel damage as well as a severely wounded crewmember.

The infantry with the AAM-98 launchers reload and fire another seven missiles at the five left-over Apaches. The missiles streaking into the sky, their infrared sensors locked onto the Apaches' exhaust.

A dozen or so men on the ground open fire with their RSR-51 assault rifles, peppering the AH-64s with 7.62x51R ammunition. Two of them open fire with PK-S machine guns. A nearby MMPWV M-041 basic troop carrier model opens fire, one of the crew opening up with the mounted .50 caliber MG.

One of the surviving MMPWV M-047s opens fire with two AAM-98s with primary infrared tracker after millimetric radar picks up the helicopters' locations.
Belem
18-07-2004, 07:49
The remaining 5 choppers get taken down by the incoming fire.

OOC: your anti air vechiles is there radar always on do the crews manually switch it off unless they get visual or radio confirmation of targets first?
Soviet Bloc
18-07-2004, 07:56
OOC- It can be manual but when they're in a hotzone (or know they'll be under attack, as in this case) they'll leave it on auto and the 'turret' will maneuver and fire automatically pending commander approval. During this case, they knew counter-attack was probable so they enabled auto. With recon units reporting no new threats they'll probably shut the mm radar off until another attack is believed.

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Engineering companies that dropped in begin working on building a fighter-capable air strip... A massive air-defense presence is around with numerous SIV-21Ds, MMPWV M-047s, MMPWV M-037s, SIV-11s, and Tunguska 2K22S. They're all placed at various 'levels' or distances from the area. Also, learning from the TLAM attacks, two CM-140R land-based anti-missile gun systems are moved in and set up for duty. Also, two of the entire air-dropped group's seven air-droppable SAM sites are set up here.
Belem
18-07-2004, 08:07
OOC: how far away from the coastline/my base camp are you building that airfield?
Soviet Bloc
18-07-2004, 08:14
OOC- The airfield is at least 250 miles away. We're building that about 60 miles north of where we landed. Our artillery was dropped seperately along with recon vehicles and light air defense units about 60-80 miles from your base with special forces transports.
Belem
18-07-2004, 08:19
OOC: ok.

IC: On the next sat pass over the area(sat passes are about every 30-45 minutes with a geosync sat being launched in a day or two for the buechorian region,) the set up the base is detected and immediately sent through the chain of command.

Within 20 minutes of the report the fleet locks in firing positions and 150 tomahawk cruise missiles are launched against the construction site.
Soviet Bloc
18-07-2004, 08:27
OOC- Whoah, overkill...
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The small CIWS is able to take out the first dozen or so before they're hit by Tomahawks. Its pretty much free reign from there for the cruise missiles. Some 350 soldiers are killed as is most of the construction equipment. Most of the air defense units are left unscathed due to the fact most weren't even near the area.

Building an air base within cruise missile range... Bad idea.

Next time it will be built on the very opposite side of Buechoria, which, should be out of the missile's 900 mile range. A small 250-man detachment dropped in with the major force has already built a helicopter landing zone out there for logistical reasons (helicopters from the 10th Fleet).
Belem
18-07-2004, 08:32
OOC: lol originally I was going to launch more in the initial strike but figured I could just launch more later if i needed to.
Hirgizstan
18-07-2004, 16:25
OOC: From what i've heard Belem you ain't the best at RPing, quite a few say your an inherent God-Modder, including in this conflict, not to be offensive but when i did strike you seemed reluctant to lose troops or post any losses, and what i did say was that the EB-52 launched the Wolverines well before the Coastline was even in view, thus not much radar out there, so i would kindly ask you to post losses for the attack.

The 6th Airborne Armoured Division was within sighting distance of the 98th ARSB Airborne Armour Division. Their 200 Sheridan Light Tanks had arrived 8 hours ago on a number of C-17A Globemaster 3's. They would take up the march east with the 98th.

The 1st Special Forces Artillery had landed a contingent on a Makeshift Airfield 200 Miles South of the recently attacked ARSB construction site, they had not made the mistake of staying too long or making the site permanent.
Their M270 MLRS and Crusader TMAS would soon be pounding the Belem Forces.


At close to 270 Ft 2 large, sleek Seawolf Class SSN's silently track a Belem Destroyer anchored among certain other ships, a good bit off shore.
The Sub Commander looks at the different screens on the Command Floor, 2 Battleships appear, as well as a cluster of other, smaller ships. The nearest attack subs are a good bit away, and if any are not showing up, the Seawolf can easily slip past them.
The Captain slowly walks across the room, not in a hurry, yet not wanting to create any uncesssary noise. He comes up on a Petty officer and taps him on the shoulder, his Station has locked up the Battleship and is awaiting command. The Captian, almost in a whisper, says "Torpedo Tubes one and two-Fire!" The petty officers press's two red buttons and a gurgling sound can be heard as the missiles race from the sub, close by the Second Seawolf also launches two Torpedo's at the same battleship to ensure it stops its deadly barrage.
Langvioa
18-07-2004, 18:12
After news of the tomahawk attack on the ARSB airbase, the camp near the beaches packed up and was airlifted out within 16 hours. Soon after the 1st Medical battalion (500 combat units, 150 medicas and orderlies, 25 surgeons, and 50 nurses) arrived at ground zero where the ARSB airbase was located.
Belem
18-07-2004, 19:50
OOC: Hirgistan I already said the missiles fired when the bomber was 150 miles out to sea.


IC: The battleship is hit by 3 of the torpedos and takes heavy damage and flooding in certain sections which are sealed off.

Destroyers and other ASW systems in the locale start pinging the location, and launch 4 torpedos at each of the seawolves.
Belem
18-07-2004, 20:04
After news of the tomahawk attack on the ARSB airbase, the camp near the beaches packed up and was airlifted out within 16 hours. Soon after the 1st Medical battalion (500 combat units, 150 medicas and orderlies, 25 surgeons, and 50 nurses) arrived at ground zero where the ARSB airbase was located.


On the next satelite overfly of the troop landings, 20 tomahawks are launched once again the the former position of the ARSB base.
Hirgizstan
18-07-2004, 21:50
The two Seawolf Class SSN's scored 3 Direct hits by torpedo, that Battleship would probably never see this war again. But there was no time for thinking about done-deeds, as soon as the strike was apparent, ASW forces were launched from surrounding ships.

The Seawolves turned quickly and dived to 350 Ft. Both had been pinged and were tracking torpedo's in the water.

The first seawolf took a hit toward the rear, the Torpedo exploded a metre away from the Sub, shredding the right plane with shrapnel, the second torpedo careered into the sea-bottom, rupturing four pipes in the Medical bay.

The Second Seawolf reached the bottom quicker, the foremost torpedo lost track and was no longer following, the secondmost torpedo kept coming. Sonar picked up a large rock formation, possibly a sizeable reef directly in front of the Sub, the Captain decided to go full throttle toward and then up and over the formation. As they began their emergency assent the torpedo barreled into the formation sending shrapnel into the left bow-plane, rendering it next to useless.

A Flight of EB-52's were shadowing the coastline 25 Miles from the Belem ships, the 4 EB-52's were armed with an assortment of weapons. 2 were armed with 4 Wolverine Cruise Missiles (see earlier post for description), 8 in total and the other two EB-52's were armed with 8 Shark Anti-Shipping missiles, 500lb AP Warhead (the missiles penetrates the outer hull/deck and explodes 4 seconds after impact with a surface), 16 in total.

The Initial Point was 10 Miles from the positions, the 8 Wolverines were luanched, tasked with attacking the Belem Front-lines, concentrating on Armour and AA/SAM vehicles. The 16 Shark Missiles were launched at a second IP, 8 Miles from the Ships,all were tasked with attacking any Belem Aircraft Carriers.
Langvioa
18-07-2004, 22:11
On the next satelite overfly of the troop landings, 20 tomahawks are launched once again the the former position of the ARSB base.
As the missiles impacted, one missile managed to hit the main generator for powering the mobile systems, thus setting everything around it into flames. Only 3 surgeons managed to escape unhurt along with 2 nurses, 17 medics, and 43 combat troops.
The next morning the 8 Virginia Class SSNs that had been observing the Belem fleet moved in on the ships that had fired on the 1st medical. They launched a total of 16 torpedoes at the ships, and immediatly turned tail and started to run.
OOC: I didnt know which ships fired the missiles so just count these as the primary targets and the escorting ships as secondaries
OOC2: I think that my medical battalion was treating ARSB troops so he has to post his own losses.
Belem
18-07-2004, 22:42
OOC: Hirg once again im going to remind me I have radar that can detect stealth so what makes you think you can have bombers orbiting 25 miles out which is WELL within radar and CAP range.

IC: 40 Scorpion LR AA missiles are launched agaisnt the EBs.

Wolverines succeed in killing approx 150 troops and knocking out a dozen or two assorted vechiles that were on the ground.

the 16 AS missiles are easilly swatted from the sky by perimeter defense ships CIWS systems.

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Langvioa attack

10 of the torpedos succeed in hitting targets. 3 burke Destroyers are hit by 1 torpedo each and recieve minor to moderate damage and some flooding.
1 Iowa Battleship is hit by 2 torpedos and suffers light to moderate damage.
3 Legate Cruisers are hit by 1 torpedo each and suffer light damage
1 Perry frigate is hit by a torpedo in the aft knocking its engines out of action.

A nearby Tracker ASW ship begins pinging and launches 30 Torpedos at the retreating subs.

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ASW choppers are launched from the fleet and move to positions about 50 miles out where they drop sonar buoys around the perimeter of the fleet.
The two wolfpacks move to positions with 25 miles of the fleets perimeter monitoring for enemy subs while the rest of the attack subs set up patrols at about 10 miles out.
Belem
18-07-2004, 23:00
OOC: Buechoria how many of your troops are between my troops and the city Vikra?

IC: The transports with 4th fleet continue the unloading of the 2 reinforcement divisions using mainly the temporary docks constructed by the engineers(basically pontoon bridges) and landing craft for the lighter supplies and the APCs. Deployment of all troops is expected to take 2-3 hours before they can start advancing to the south to catch up with the lead divisions.

Also mobile Steel Wall defenses are unloaded to be set up around the basecamp to defend it against enemy missile attacks.

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Meanwhile in Belem.....

2 More armored divisions are being prepared to be loaded onto transport ships escorted by destroyers, cruisers and frigates.

3 Airborne divisions are ready to be deployed to Buechoria once the airfield is in semi useable condition or an airfield is captured by advancing troops.
Soviet Bloc
19-07-2004, 02:08
OOC- Where the hell is Belem in relation to Buechoria? Just so I know where supplies and ships and whatever are coming from.


In the second attack at the ARSB construction site, 240 wounded personnel are killed along with 36 ARSB medical personnel. Another 100 personnel are wounded in the attack, they are withdrawn via helicopter (hopping heli-pad to heli-pad across Buechoria to the logistical station) to the 10th Fleet's designated medical ships. A statement was released to the Langvioan government- "Comrades, we thank you for your treatment of our wounded personnel. However, we wish to express our intense regret for the deaths of your medical personnel. The families of those ARSB soldiers treated by your medics are eternally grateful for the assistance you provided them and they express their condolences to the families of the Langvioan medics killed in action. Those men and women will not be forgotten."

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Marshal Dmitri Althukov sat within the confines of the RNS Trapovsky, a Zlatoslav-class command ship reading over battle reports, his face grimaced. He was one of the higher-ups in the ARSB Marine organization and the commander of the nation's 4th Marine Division. The army men on the ground in Buechoria had little heavy equipment, the heaviest being a few FCT-17 medium tanks which were airdropped in. The airborne forces needed a heavier element with them... Something the marines could provide. Within the next few minutes he called up the Premier and coversed with him for a few minutes. The decision was made, the 4th Marine Division would land in Buechoria via the 2nd Marine Amphibious Assault group and their landing craft. Premier Chlevenkov issued the order for mobilization and at 1550 that afternoon, the 4th MD and its 'horse', the 2nd Marine AAG, set off from the 10th Expeditionary Fleet for the shores of Buechoria. They would land about 300 miles from the Belem landing zone. Total forces sent with the division are as follows- 24000 personnel (11,600 combat personnel, the rest can fight but have other duties), 120 SIV-21R amphibious vehicles (some anti-tank, some mortar, some air defense, etc.), 60 VAT-01 anti-tank and armored personnel carriers, 80 ST-11 NGBTs, 60 FCT-17 amphibious tanks, 150 MMPWV M-04s, 34 M-08s, 90 TGB-20 trucks, 80 assorted artillery pieces (some rocket, some self-propelled, mostly towed), 45 SAH-17 attack helicopters, 30 HVC-03 transport helicopters, and 25 DP-02AD V/STOL aircraft.

Along with the 4th MD would be the 45th Air Defense Battalion and the 17th Air Defense Battalion from the 97th Marine Expeditionary Force. These would bring in numerous air defense vehicles (SIV-21s, SIV-11s, 2K22Bs, Shilkas, UAZ-AD, MMPWV M-047s, etc.). The 45th ADR would be coupled with the 33rd Land Missile Defense Battalion which carries sixteen CM-140R land-based CIWS batteries (a total of 32 systems) as well as four MM-290 missile defense batteries (which use missiles, like the Patriot system)(total of 16 MM-290 platforms). Another group sent with the marine force would be an entire missile artillery battery with a full compliment of Smerch missile launching systems.

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ARSB Military Combined Forces commander Chief Marshal Aleksandr Zhukov glanced to his group of advisors and military underlings... He pointed to a location on a large LCD screen within the confines of a command ship within the 1st Battle Fleet (far, far, far away from Buechoria). "This is the Belem fleet... Yesterday, that fleet launched over a hundred cruise missiles into our advanced air base in Buechoria, which was still under construction. The site was completely destroyed. Last night, early this morning, a group of allied medics and medical personnel arrived on the scene to treat our wounded. All looked well until Belem fired even more cruise missiles at the site, killing hundreds of Langvioan soldiers and medical personnel. Those same ships are responsible for the deaths of a thousand ARSB soldiers when nuclear-armed Tomahawks slammed into their camps."

He straightened up and looked to the group. "That, is why, I'm ordering a massive strike on that fleet. To at least disable their launch platforms for some time. I have been in conversation with the Hirgizstanian combined forces commander and we have come up with a superior plan on doing this." He turned to the screen again and a box appeared in the corner... "An hour ago, 56 F-225 stealth strike aircraft took off from Naval Air Station Fradkov, in Casselton. They are now en route towards the enemy fleet at an altitude of 150 feet." He paused as a red line appeared from the air base and slid across the expanses of ocean until it stopped and flashed. Then a dotted red line continued the path to the triangle representing the Belem fleet. Another red circle appeared towards the edge of the screen... "An hour and a half ago... 24 Tu-95 heavy bombers departed from the Yefimovich Air Force Base at the very edge of the mainland. They were escorted by a dozen Tu-160 bombers."

He looked to the group... Another red line formed and stopped about 3/4s the way to the Belem fleet. A dotted line continued its path. "And a half hour ago, 60 aircraft took off from the 10th Expeditionary Fleet. These sixty aircraft will proceed to Waypoint Golf, here..." A small arrow designated an area about 60 miles from the Belem fleet. "From there, F-225As will fire a complement of long-range AS missiles. At that time, the rest of the force, DP-21s, F-57As, and DP-02As, will encroach on the enemy fleet, penetrating their CAP lines and harass the ships to beat hell, firing short-range anti-shipping missiles, strafing enemy ships, and engaging enemy aircraft. Casualties will be heavy but, if this pulls through, thousands of ARSB lives will be saved. " He drank from a glass of water, he usually never had to speak this much... He then continued...

"As soon as the 10th Expeditionary fleet launched aircraft arrive at WG, the rest of the aircraft launched will arrive at their firing points. During a well-planned operation, the 24 Tu-95s and the 12 Tu-160 bombers will launch 192 PAC-56A Javelin anti-shipping cruise missiles towards the Belem fleet. These missiles will be targetted against ALL cruise-missile launching ships and head towards the fleet from a North West vector. About half-way from target, they will spread out to minimize CIWS contact. The 56 F-225As will continue onto target until they're about 50-60 miles away, and at their low-altitude, they should be near invisible to CAP and fleet radar. At 50 miles range from target, the 56 aircraft will launch 112 AsC-50 long range anti-shipping missiles. Those will proceed to the target and engage carriers and only carriers. Those missiles will approach from an east vector." He breathed in deeply and continued.

"The final long-range strike will come from six F-225As which will fire a total of 12 AsC-50 long-range anti-shipping missiles at the fleet from a south east vector. Now onto Hirgizstan's part in the 'operation', during this massive missile and aircraft strike, and while ships are busy dodging, engaging, and being hit by missiles and aircraft, Hirgizstanian naval assets will engage the enemy fleet. There's a good chance their fleet will be easily overwhelmed. By firing at it from the air and from the sea, and under it, their defenses will be overwhelmed and ineffective at shooting down our missiles, engaging our aircraft, and engaging DOH naval assets. Its a sure-fire plan..." He grinned. "And now, the operation should be just getting under-way..."

The men began clapping as the screen began showing the lines converging on the enemy fleet. Hundreds of small white lines formed, showing missile paths.

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At that moment, the entire Tu-95 and Tu-160 force fired their entire complement of anti-shipping cruise missiles at the enemy fleet from a range of 760 miles away.

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The F-225As waited a bit longer and at 48 miles out they fired their entire complement of anti-shipping missiles. They were far too low to be spotted by ship-borne radar and wave and water interference prevented much to be seen from any altitude. Their stealth features enhanced this. Bi-static radar wouldn't work here because the aircraft weren't surrounded by enemy ships or radar stations.

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The six F-225As with the fleet-launched aircraft lagged behind until they hit their launch point, 50 miles from the enemy fleet, they fired their dozen missiles and scrambled back to the home fleet. They had 54 aircraft protecting them to the launch point but none on the way back.

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The rest of the 54 aircraft approached the Belem fleet off the coast of Buechoria. They began engaging any Belem perimeter aircraft as ten DP-21A/Bs provided EXTENSIVE multi-frequency jamming to prevent long-range missile attacks by the fleet. Most likely, this same jamming would jam the CIWS radar systems used for tracking the anti-shipping missiles.

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Within minutes, a total of 316 anti-shipping missiles would converge on the Belem fleet from three seperate directions. Also, take it into effect that when these are about to hit, jamming is fucking up all Belem radar on multiple-frequencies (since jamming only began a few minutes before the missiles were to hit, meaning less time to find un-jammed frequencies), ARSB aircraft are attracting attention by other aircraft and air defense units being set up including CIWS being converted to air defense role, some ARSB units, by the time the missiles come within range, may be engaging ships themselves with short range AS missiles or guns. Also, take into effect, that at the same time these missiles get within range, Hirgizstan is attacking your fleet (this won't actually happen until later) meaning your ships are confused and focused on attacking his ships/subs/whatever he's using in his attacks.

OOC- Hirgizstan will be attacking the fleet at the same time these missiles will be striking, but it won't be until later, so act as though your fleet is under attack by him too and take into effect that ship crews will be confused and whatever due to attacks from the air and at sea meaning reduced CIWS efficiency. Jamming should also affect CIWS as jamming began just minutes before the missiles would hit, meaning less time to find a frequency that isn't jammed. It would also mean more stressed crews which equals less efficient operations.

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Meanwhile, in Buechoria... (This attack is on a group of Belem soldiers advancing)

The distant pops of gunfire could be heard... The main ARSB force was still aways away but gunfire could be faintly heard. They had dug in under dense foliage and couldn't be seen by satellite. A day ago, 5th Bttn., 1st Rgt., of the 56th AID took off towards the front. They were mostly equipped with equipment from recon units so they appeared to be a recon unit on patrol. Whatever intelligence Belem gathered about the ARSB force was that they were 40 miles to the east of where they should have been. THis worked very well to their advantage.


The 5th Battalion snaked through the dense forests, a layer of snow on the ground. With each boot crunch they came closer to the Belem soldiers they were about to engage. So far, no ARSB soldier had actually fought a Belem soldier one-on-one...

Lt. Colonel Mikhail Federovsky squatted next to a tree, his RSR-51 resting on his thigh... He hit some numbers on his key pad and he was instantly connected to the 75th Field Artillery Battery.

"Two barrages on grid Charlie-Zulu, sector one-fife-niner. I repeat, grid- Charlie-Zulu. Sector one-fife-niner. Confirmation, over?"

"Artillery called, grid C-Z, Sector 1-5-9. Two barrages. Confirmed."

The lieutenant colonel nodded to himself and adjusted his helmet... "Captain!" he shouted to the captain who stood 40 feet away, watching something in the distance. He spun around and jogged to the lieutenant colonel... "Sir?"

"I've called in artillery, get Foxtrot Company and tell them to advance after the second barrage. Move in on the east end of sector one-five-nine. Relay orders to Bravo company to advance after first barrage to sector one-four-nine and hold until second barrage, then advance into one-five-nine from the south. Alright?" The lt. col. told the captain as he pointed things out to him on a small PDA-like device.

"Yes sir." He nodded and jogged to a group of soldiers... A small conversation erupted and the group splintered off...

Suddenly, sixty blasts erupted a few miles away... A faint screaming noise was heard until explosions erupted in the middle of one of the Belem advancing infantry units. These were regular explosive artillery shells fired from 155mm towed artillery. After the first barrage, the diesel engines of a dozen MMPWV M-04s came to life as they advanced into the sector just south of the one being artied. A minute later and the second barrage splintered the air, sixty shells landing in the Belem perimeter...

Suddenly, hell broke loose, Alpha company's mortar groups opened fire with 81mm mortars, firing 36 mortars into the Belem infantry group. Immediately after, Foxtrot Company and its 200 men advanced into the southern edge of the Belem group. MMPWV-mounted ATM-7B anti-tank LOSAT launchers opened fire on any tank nearby. The round could penetrate any armor due to its speed and its explosive power added to its lethality, turning a tank into shrapnel that could kill even more infantry around it. MMPWV-mounted 7.62mm machine guns opened fire in the night and illuminated anything around with its muzzle flash. The 90 men began opening fire on any Belem soldier nearby with their RSR-51 7.62x51mm assault rifles, capable of punching through most if not all body armor. Their second barrels were 5.45x31mm for close quarters combat. The two could be fired at the same time to further confuse and demoralize Belem soldiers. Infantry-manned ATM-7B launchers opened fire on any vehicle.

To the west of the Belem group was Bravo company, one of the battalion's three mechanized companies. They sat with a dozen T-05A light tanks with 90mm ETC cannons each with 4 ATM-15B anti-tank missiles. They were hidden in the foliage with 100 infantry and another eight SIV-21s, two for air defense, one command, one medical, three anti-tank, and one dedicated anti-infantry. They suddenly broke loose and converged on the Belem group from the west.

The rest of the battalion's 900 soldiers suddenly began a massive advance into the Belem lines, supported by tanks, infantry vehicles, light vehicles, light artillery, and field artillery...
Soviet Bloc
19-07-2004, 02:37
Meanwhile...

The 1st Battle Fleet and another group of ARSB ships continued their voyage towards their location...

Army assets at most overseas bases were being rallied for the operation to come. Air force assets were preparing for the massive battle that would soon ensue. The 1st Battle Fleet and its subsidiary fleets were preparing for anything possible...

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Meanwhile, in Buechoria...

As the battalion began engaging the Belem forces, the rest of the 56th moved north a few miles to where they were about 20 miles from the Belem force being engaged. They dug in under the cover of night, snow, and dense foliage. Another battalion of the 56th AID was moving west in plain sight to Belem satellites, they were spread out and hauling numerous pieces of equipment to make them look larger than normal. They stopped and began moving north, off to the west of the nearest Belem group...

The 98th airborne armor division rendesvoused with the Hirgizstanian 6th airborne armor division and proceeded to head east, eventually circling around north so they were east of the Belem forces. Most of the forces were unseen to satellites due to heavy foliage and bad conditions.
Belem
19-07-2004, 03:20
OOC: Well we are in the pacific basically on a real globe we would be about midway through the pacific at about at the same equatoral position as the U.S.
OOC2: Hirgistan for the fleet attack your putting an approach thread ESSPICALY if you expect to get within gun range or under 150 miles because theres no way you could possibly sneak a fleet that close considering I have sats on overfly, radar going out to about 300 miles and CAPs going out to about 250 miles plus there radar.
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Sea Attack
IC:
As soon as incoming missiles are detected the Shield AA ships(16 in total) begin there own radar jamming on known SB frequencies. The other ships in the fleet are all each operating on independent frequencies to negate most of the damage done by any radar disruption. All fighter jets availible are scrambled once the missiles are detected.

ooc2: theres about 80-100 permiter ships for each perimeter now since the arrival of the 4th fleet

Bomber attack: 50 of the 192 make it through air defense.
Damage: 10 Burke destroyers hit by 1 missiles each light to moderate damage
5 Burkes hit by 2 missiles each moderate to heavy damage. 2 Sink.
5 Ticonderogas hit by 2 missiles each moderate to heavy damage.
5 Perry Frigates hit by 1 missile each Light to moderate damage, 1 perry had its rudder blown out and has lost manueravibilty.
1 Ticonderoga hit by 5 missiles and sinks.
The rest of the missiles that got through succeeded in crippling 4 destroyers


20 F-40s on CAP on the northern perimeter head for intercept against the launching Bombers. they are going about Mach 2.3 so they would be able to intercept the bombers. Upon at about 150 miles they will launch 4 Scorpions each against the retreating bombers.

F 225s: 25 of the the missiles make it past fleet defenses in the southern section(OOC: souther perimeter is where the newest ships are which weren't modified to have better CIWS it was a crucial design for the construction of the new models.)
Damage: 4 Centurion Destroyers are hit by 2 missiles each Moderate damage to the ships mainly external(OOC:these ships have about 3' of armor plating)
1 Shield AA ship hit by 6 missiles and is severely crippled will most likely sink within the hour.
4 Vesivius Frigates hit by 1 missile each light to moderate damage.
2 Legate battlecruisers his by 2 missiles each light to moderate damage
1 Romulus Battleship hit by 3 missiles Combat ops offline for the AFT guns and missiles.
Second wave: The 12 missile secondwave is knocked from the sky by the fleets CIWS

Retaliation attack: 25 F-40s speed up to mach 2.4 to intercept the launchers , 40 of the fighters over Buechoria reroute to get on an Intercept course with the fighters.

Air Battle: 70 F-40s are rerouted to engage the enemy forces in the air using medium range missiles(each has 6.) On the Fleet 90 LR Scorpion missiles are launched against the fighters by ships not suffering from Radar disruption.


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OOC: for the ground force attack how large of an area are you attacking across 1 or 2 miles? Because I had my troops concentrations basically calculated per mile of the front.
Belem
19-07-2004, 03:23
Meanwhile...

The 1st Battle Fleet and another group of ARSB ships continued their voyage towards their location...

Army assets at most overseas bases were being rallied for the operation to come. Air force assets were preparing for the massive battle that would soon ensue. The 1st Battle Fleet and its subsidiary fleets were preparing for anything possible...

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Meanwhile, in Buechoria...

As the battalion began engaging the Belem forces, the rest of the 56th moved north a few miles to where they were about 20 miles from the Belem force being engaged. They dug in under the cover of night, snow, and dense foliage. Another battalion of the 56th AID was moving west in plain sight to Belem satellites, they were spread out and hauling numerous pieces of equipment to make them look larger than normal. They stopped and began moving north, off to the west of the nearest Belem group...

The 98th airborne armor division rendesvoused with the Hirgizstanian 6th airborne armor division and proceeded to head east, eventually circling around north so they were east of the Belem forces. Most of the forces were unseen to satellites due to heavy foliage and bad conditions.

OOC: east would be going into the water cause I landed on the western side of the bay and was using the water as my eastern flank basically of the front.

Edit: also whats the general location of your 1st and and 10th fleet?
Soviet Bloc
19-07-2004, 04:04
OOC- The 1st is closer to ARSB than it is Buechoria, basically in the middle of nowhere. She's being held in reserve. She's among the most protected fleets.

The 10th fleet is on the opposite end of Buechoria then you. Cruise missiles can't reach her because Buechoria has to be over 900 miles long.

Otherwise, we're to your east, but not much. We're still too far south to matter.

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Of the 80 missiles, about 60 run out of fuel before they reach target since the bombers launched the missiles from about 700 miles out. The other twenty severely damage two bombers, light damage one, and blow another eight out of the sky. All were Tu-95s. No Tu-160s were hit as they're supersonic and made it out well before the Tu-95s.


*Because I have little time to do this, this will be short and sweet...*

The 54 aircraft begin engaging the enemy fighters. A total of 30 short range air to air missiles are launched (infrared), 45 medium range infrared/radar guided, and 17 long range radar guided (on unjammed frequencies).

From the enemy missile attacks, 31 aircraft are knocked from the sky and six maintain damage. The rest of the aircraft push through enemy CAP and aircraft and converge on the enemy fleets at close range. (Some aircraft escaped due to selective radar jamming on enemy missiles, anti-radar guided missile system on the F-57A, and extensive countermeasures including disturbance pods)

Of the now left over 23 aircraft another eight are destroyed from AA equipment. Of the 15 left over, seven are DP-02As, six are F-57As, and two are DP-21s. Four DP-02As each fire four short range anti-shipping missiles (mainly larger anti-tank missiles) on open radar frequencies towards the Shield AA perimeter ships. The other three fire their entire complement of six AsM-11 short range anti-shipping missiles at one carrier in the fleet (18 missiles fired). Two of those fighters are then shot down by ship-borne AA. The final aircraft strafes the deck of another carrier while firing off its entire complement of UM-450 Sickle unguided rockets (40 from two pods each having 20 of the small rockets) at the deck of the same carrier. It is then shot down by AA.

The four DP-02As that fired at the shield AA ships survive, but barely, two maintaining damage from CIWS systems and a close-proximity missile blast. They fire their remaining anti-shipping missiles (two each) at a different carrier than those attacked. Two of the DP-02As are shot down. The last two strafe a destroyer with their guns. Only one of the two is armed with the UM-450 Sickle unguided rocket pods. The one without the pods maintains heavy wing damage and guides himself towards an enemy frigate, hoping to hit it. The one with the rockets opens fire on the same destroyer, unleasing all 40 rockets in a massive salvo. The same aircraft then maintains heavy damage and crashes into the water. Only one of its crew survives.

The six F-57As only maintain light air to ground munitions, just two air-to-ground anti-tank missiles. They target a carrier and fire all 12 missiles into it. Two of the F-57As are shot down by fleet AA and one by an aircraft. Both crash harmlessly into the ocean. The other four strafe a destroyer with their main guns. Two fire all of their air to air missiles towards one in an unguided mode. The other two are hit by AA fire. One crashes into the ocean, the other aims for a nearby ship. The remaining two, the ones that have only their guns left, strafe another ship. Both maintain light damage (from gunfire). One is then shotdown by enemy aircraft. The other attempts to crash into the bridge of one of the carriers.


The two DP-21s engage the enemy aircraft, each firing off their last two short-range air to air missiles. One is shot down, the other aims itself for a destroyer and fires two anti-shipping missiles at the destroyer. It is then hit with AA gunfire but hurtles towards the destroyer.

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OOC-
For the ground force, we're surrounding a small 'bump' in your lines. But each sector to us is a square mile.
Belem
19-07-2004, 04:31
OOC: ok ill post damage for the air attack next post once i pick through all the info.
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OOC: ok so about 1-2 mile section.

Numbers: 60(half crusader half crusader II) tanks in lead 20 APCs(infantry are inside to ensure maximum amount of miles per advance) following behind(ooc: artillery forces and humvees and such are about a 1 mile behild.)

Once the first shells of the artillery start falling a lucky hit knocks out 1 of the APCs completely. The group falls back on the pre arranged plans for engagements.
Once the SB troops are seen to be approaching the tanks and APCs begin feigning retreat.
the APCs(infantry still loaded) open fire with 30mm chain guns on the advancing troops as they head in reverse. The tanks begin strafing with there coaxial machine guns and the main guns are fired at the advancing vechiles.


OOC: numbers for each mile are 30 tanks and 10 apcs.)
3rd 4th 5th 6th and 7th mile markers continue there advance but begin to lean in towards 1st and 2nd to envelope enemy positions and to come up behind them.
Soviet Bloc
19-07-2004, 05:23
Sergeant Ivan Kerensky ducked as a machine gun blast punctured the air around him... He watched a nearby private drop his rifle and fall forward into the dirt, his chest ripped apart from a coaxial machine gun burst. He suddenly felt a burning on his lower body... He fired a burst from his RSR-51's primary barrel and flung himself to the ground behind the wreckage of the destroyed Belem APC. He glanced down to his waist... Part of his suit splintered outwards and he could see light glinting off the crimson blood... He grimaced a bit as he prodded it with his finger. He pulled out his small medical kit from his rucksack... He opened it up and removed a piece of gauze, shoving it into the wound along with some anti-bacterial agent. A piece of duct tape locked the wound up... He stood up and peeked his head around the corner. The Belem tanks were retreating but his visor was showing that more of their units were moving in from the sides. He glanced around and let his rifle hang on its mount... He picked up the ATM-7B launcher deposited by a shot private. He brought it up to his shoulder and popped around the corner, the computer locked on and he hit the fire button. His shoulder jerked back as the rocket emerged from the launch tube, roaring towards the enemy tank...

More men were firing their anti-tank missiles at the Belem tanks as they retreated... The T-05A tanks and SIV-21s emerged from the dense forest with a hail of gunfire. Each T-05A opened fire with their 90mm ETC guns (which have the destructive power equivalent to a 120mm conventional cannon), coaxial cannons, and the smaller MGs mounted on the turret roof. The dozen tanks each fired two ATGMs at the retreating tanks.

The SIV-21s opened fire with their 30mm automatic cannons, peppering the enemy tanks although mostly aiming for the APCs. The anti-tank variants opened fire with their 120mm conventional turret-less cannons... They also fired ATGMs at the enemy vehicles. Two SIV-21s and a T-05A are taken out by the main gun fire, the others are lucky to dodge.

The tanks and IFVs fire another barrage then turn around and retreat... Heading straight south. Foxtrot company now emerged just to the east of the enemy vehicles, opening fire with anti-tank missiles from their sides. Three of the company's twenty MMPWV M-04s emerge from the darkness and wheel themselves straight in front of the enemy vehicles. One is taken out by the 30mm cannons. The other two open fire with machine guns and ATGMs before they squeal off.

The mortar teams adjust their mortars and open fire, raining the explosive shells down on top the Belem forces.

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The lieutenant colonel glanced to his aide, a master sergeant... "Sergeant, what was Captain Grishnikov's report?"

"Sir, the captain reported heavy resistance. They're entire advance is led by tanks and heavy equipment. In that sector alone there were some 30 tanks and another 10 armored personnel carriers."

"Hmm... We'll want to draw them out, then squeeze in from the sides..." The lieutenant colonel thought outloud...

The sergeant spoke up... "Sir, the rest of Belem's forces are continuing the advance... But, satellites show they're leaning in towards our forces... Meaning they're stretching the lines out, meaning... Less resistance. If we can get units on the other side of their 'wall', we can get them from behind and tear up the 'soft meat' of the inside."

The colonel perked up... "Beautiful idea, Viktor... Beautiful idea." He patted the man on the shoulder and stepped up into the command SIV-21 wondering why the hell he didn't think of that. He immediately hailed command company, 2nd Regiment, 56th AID. Within minutes the conversation was over. The order was given... In fifteen minutes the order was relayed to field command of 2nd Regiment. The entire 2nd Regiment suddenly became alive from their small camps and mobilized... They were a few miles to the east of 5th Battalion, 1st Regiment's position.

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Colonel Fortin Lobonsky, commanding officer, 2nd Regiment, gave the order to his subordinate Lt. Colonels, each commanding one of the regiment's five battalions, each battalion having 1000 men. The entire 2nd Regiment had almost 5000 men in it along with dozens of vehicles, and within minutes, this entire force slammed into the stretched Belem lines over a length of 3 miles. If intelligence reports were true that a thin hard shell protected a vast soft interior, it would be a piece of cake to penetrate and destroy.

This was only a small expeditionary force, the main force was still miles behind...
Sino
19-07-2004, 05:47
Even if Belem is repelled none of you are capable of defeating Sino!

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Belem
19-07-2004, 06:15
5 tanks are knocked out by the anti tank weaponary.
4 APCs are taken out by the enemy chain gun fire and the infantry for 1st 2nd and 3rd mile dismount(about 270-280 troops after casualities) and open fire on the withdrawing enemy positions.

1st and 2nd division halt there retreat and start to advance with the other 3 forces in order to put more pressure on the withdrawing forces. The tanks continue there advance supported by Infantry using the tanks for cover with APCs behind them for suppressing fire.

117 Paladin self propelled artillery guns in the rear open fire on the withdrawing enemy troops

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OOC: assuming you would be attacking the weakest sections from the stretch which would probably be about 10-12 miles from the sight of the other engagement.
also how many tanks and such are in the batallion?

The 90 tanks and 30 APCs in that section begin to fall back to to more defensible positions trying to just delay the enemy advance since they are outnumbered.
Tanks and APCs from 9th miles and 13th mile provide long range support with guns against enemy armor.

The entire line begins to tighten up by 20 miles to make the front finer(it was advancing across a 70 miles front before its going to close to about 50-60 miles.) The line halts and begins to establish defensive positions
270 Tanks and 200 APCs are quickly redirected towards the point of insurgency and begin raicing to hit the advancing SB troops on there eastern front.
210 Artillery guns from other sectors fire barrages into the advancing forces as quickly as possible.


20 Cobras and 10 Apache choppers are launched from rear Positions to support to provide support for the battle line.

10 F-42s loaded with 6 napalm canisters(apiece) change course headed towards the front.

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The landed divisions in basecamp set out towards the front at full speed at on a westward axis, the forces are moving as quickly as possible in a bliztkrieg like formation.
USA2
19-07-2004, 06:49
At the request of Belem i am officially stating my support of Belem in this war.
My mediteranean fleet has been mobilized and is ready to attack.
Right now i am only offering support by giving ships.
40 Arleigh Burke class Destroyer's
10 Ticonderoga-class Cruiser's
have already been placed under Belems control after they left the waters of USA2
USA2
OUT
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Soviet Bloc
19-07-2004, 07:30
OOC- Each regiment contains 5000 infantry, 200 infantry vehicles (MMPWV M-04, SIV-21, VAT-01, etc.), 120 tanks (In this case, FCT-17 with a 105mm ETC cannon [power ='s that of a 135mm cannon]), and numerous trucks and artillery. The group attacking is a full regiment. Each regiment has about 5 battalions. Each battalion has 20 some tanks in it.

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Some thirty or so men fall to advancing armor and infantry... However, the forces continue the retreat until four of the 12 T-05As halt in the forest... An engineering platoon integrated with the company mines a funnel point with anti-tank and anti-personnel mines. The anti-tank mines are placed where tanks can travel while the anti-personnel mines are placed where only infantry can cross. Complying by international law, a map is created showing each mine's location.

As soon as the enemy tanks are within firing range the T-05As open up, each firing a continuous barrage of fire on the advancing tanks. Coaxial 12.7mm and turret-mounted 7.62mm MGs open up on any visible infantry. Each T-05A also fires two ATGMs, targeted for the tanks.

The retreating forces stop for a few minutes and continue the fight with the enemy armor before continuing their retreat, trying to find a more defendable position.

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As the 2nd Regiment advanced beyond Belem's former lines, it quickly bled out although the bulk of it continued to engage the group that had retreated. Two battalions from 3rd Regiment had moved in behind 2nd Regiment, adding another 2000 troops into the fray along with another 50 tanks and numerous APCs, IFVs, etc. 5th Battalion, 3rd Regiment hung behind and provided fire support with its 60 pieces of artillery. The thirty 155mm towed howitzers blasted the sectors alongside the advance group with three full barrages of varying rounds from napalm to grenade to high explosive. Thats a total of 90 shells on top of EACH sector (your mile thing) beside our advancing force.

The 2nd Rgt's own light artillery battery, which had advanced with the rest of 2nd Regiment, began opening fire on Belem positions with 155mm towed artillery, 105mm towed artillery, and 90mm towed artillery. These barrages were fired at the Belem artillery and infantry positions behind the main lines.

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Specialist Yuriy Andropovich was leaning against the side of his M-08 reconaissance vehicle parked in the middle of the Buechorian wilderness... He needed some fresh air from the cramped insides of the vehicle... The night was crisp and clear and he could see the stars... This is a nice country, he thought. Much like home... He sighed.

Out of nowhere, the distinctive roars of jet engines could be heard... He wheeled around and spot the dark ominous shapes in the moonlit sky... "Shit," he muttered, believing their recon vehicle had been spotted... He climbed inside but waited for bombs that never came. The aircraft passed over head. He glanced at the screen in front of him... "Shit, right towards the ARSB advance..." He immediately called up the command battalion of the 2nd Regiment...

"This is Romeo-Echo Two-Three. Reporting ten aircraft moving South-West towards your position. Over."

"This is Charlie-Bravo-Two. We copy. Idea on type, mission? Over."

"Unsure, probable mission- ground attack. Over."

"Roger, Romeo-Two-Three. Call in air support. Copy?"

"Roger. Over"

The specialist then called up Combined Forces-Buechoria commander who immediately called in support from air forces already within Buechoria.

Two full fighter wings were called in from Kerevskov Air Base on the south end of Buechoria. The base was actually an unused Buechorian base but was home to two fighter wings and a few other wings. The twenty-four F-57A Molniyas and DP-21s took off and approached the ARSB advancing force.


They arrived just before the enemy aircraft arrived at the ARSB advance. The 18 F-57As quickly engaged the F-42s, firing off nearly 30 medium range radar guided missiles. The DP-21s fired a dozen short range infrared guided missiles.

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Specialist Mikhail Rominovsky crouched near the edge of the forest... His heart was racing as gunfire could be heard, mere feet away from his team-mates. Right now they were within Belem-held land. He glanced to his team-mates, all air-defense specialists... Each one was armed with an AAM-98 launcher. Suddenly, a flashing globe caught his attention in his visor... Approaching helicopters... He motioned to his men and pointed to a large outcropping a few yards away... They nodded and ran to the position... Sliding down against the rocks so they were hardly visible... They all readied their launchers... He brought up his hand as he watched the visor... He showed them four fingers... He dropped one, now three... The thumping of the rotors could now be heard... Two fingers... One finger... And then he brought his hand up to the launcher and swiveled out from his position, just as one of the Apaches came over the trees... The launcher locked on and he fired, the rocket roaring towards the Apache...

The four other men did the same, each firing a missile at an Apache. However, there was 10 Apaches... And four missiles. The ones not fired on opened fire on the soldiers, killing two with machine gun fire and another with a rocket. The fourth man fired once more before disappearing into the woods. An infantry squad opened fire with their assault rifles on the advancing Cobras. Groundfire was deadly to them as they weren't well armored.

An SIV-21 rumbled through foliage, appearing in a clearing... Sergeant Remov surveyed the area with the periscope... The only thing he could see was some discarded objects and tank treads... Suddenly an alarm erupted in the confines of the vehicle... "Helicopters," he muttered... "Corporal, bring millimetric radar online, take those assholes out..."

The corporal nodded and gave an 'OK' sign... "Yes sir!" He punched at a computer furiously until a light told him the millimetric radar was tracking the attack helicopters... "Sarge, ready to fire!"

"Good..." He pulled down the targetting system and glanced into the goggle-like devices... He had six missiles at his disposal... He aimed each one at an Apache gunship... He slowly depressed the fire button and watched his screen fill up with an immense glow... He felt the SIV-21 rock as the missiles were launched... "PRIVATE! PUNCH IT! GET US THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!!" He yelled at the private driving the vehicle. The private responded with a muffled affirmative as he slammed the vehicle into gear and cranked the wheel, shoving the accelerator in. The vehicle spun and around disappeared back to where it came from, hoping it wasn't seen.

Six SIV-21s were destroyed by attack helicopters along with two MMPWV M-04s and a T-05A. Forty-one infantry were also killed.

Another dozen SIV-21s were all firing on the Cobras and Apaches with their AAM-98s. Along with dozens of MANPAD-toting infantry.

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Second Lieutenant Gregori Pettrivonivich watched the Belem artillery from his position some 16 miles away. He was within an M-08 reconaissance vehicle, well out of sight to them. The sensor mast was raised 2 meters from their position on a wooded hill.

"Sergeant... Call artillery on Grid CZ sector 198. A massive barrage. The place is full of artillery."

"Yes sir..." The sergeant responded as he picked up the radio headset and dialing in for the command company of a field artillery regiment...

"Charlie-Charlie, Two-Niner. Do you copy?"

"This is Charlie-Charlie, Two-Niner. Over."

"Artillery needed. Grid Charlie-Zulu. Sector One-Niner-Eight. Three barrages with rockets included. Over."

"Affirmative. Artillery on Charlie-Zulu, One-Niner-Eight called and confirmed."

With that, seventy of the LAP155 155mm heavy towed artillery opened fire on the Belem artillery from 25 miles away. They were using the same extended range rounds fired on the Belem landing zone, which means they had 85 small grenades within them as well as the main warhead. Three barrages meant 210 of those rounds were fired on the area with all of the Belem Paladin self-propelled artillery. The 210 rounds would cover a very large area meaning most if not all of the enemy artillery would be hit or destroyed. Along with the 210 shells was a barrage from 12 Smerch-SK multiple launch rocket systems. Each Smerch-SK (ARSB modified Smerch), held 36 300mm rockets with high-explosive warheads. These were deadly accurate and all 432 rockets were fired on the Belem artillery positions. The trucks were then immediately moved for fear of possible retributionary attack.

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Fourteen SAH-17 heavy attack helicopters thumped through the air, their sleek bodies penetrating the night sky... Chief Warrant Officer Gregorivich glanced into the large display dominating his view... "Lieutenant, satellites indicate we're coming up on the Belem position."

The lieutenant nodded from his pilots position... "Alright, prepare to engage. 2nd Regiment says there's a shitload of tanks down there."

"Roger." was the CWO's single word reply... He gritted his teeth, waiting to fire...


Soon enough, the 14 attack helicopters would come over the ARSB position into the Belem forces.

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Major Davrovich glanced out the side of his cockpit, he was only 30 or 40 miles from the action, and was yearning to kick some ass. He was the pilot of one of the air force's DP-02A fighter bombers, an advanced and deadly piece of machinery. He continued orbiting the waypoint with six other DP-02As and two DP-21Gs. Suddenly, a transmission burst through the airwaves...

"Close Air Support Needed. Sector One-Eight-Niner. Copy?"

The major spoke into his mic, "Affirmative, this is Sierra One. We're moving in on your position."

"Roger."

He grinned and looked over his shoulder at the lieutenant seated behind him... "You ready to kick some armored ass, lieutenant?"

The lieutenant grinned as he read data on the screen in front of him... "Hell yeah..."

"Alright, then lets do it..." He dropped altitude and gunned the throttle, bringing him down to 1200 feet. He approached the battle field...

"Sierra Two, Three, Four, Five, and Six. Copy?"

The five other pilots replied...

"Alright, plans are as follows- 2nd RGT needs us. The five of us will each fire two missiles against enemy tanks and drop one 500lb bomb. We will then proceed to engage targets inland, a tank group moving in to support the ones we're attacking."

They all agreed.

"Oscar One and Two, copy?"

"Oscar One, I copy."

"Oscar Two, I copy."

"Alright, you two will follow us, jam any ground-based radars and keep missiles off of us. Subdue any tanks incoming. Got it?"

Two 'Rogers' were heard over the radio.

Within minutes he was over the target area... He locked onto two tanks and opened fire, firing off two ATM-15B anti-tank missiles at two seperate tanks. Th other five DP-02As did the same. After the missiles were launched, they circled around and each dropped a 500lb bomb on enemy infantry and APC positions.

The DP-21s jammed radar in the area while each (2 of them) fired four anti-tank misiles each on tanks (8 missiles total). They each still had two left and could use them on any reinforcements.

The DP-02As changed heading and began roaring towards the incoming reinforcements (the 270 tanks, etc.). Each DP-02A still had six missiles left along with two 500lb bombs.

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A seperate Smerch-SK battery, this one with only 6 vehicles in it, sat off to the side of the advancing party. Their sights were trained on the reinforcements that were approaching... Over a five minute span each vehicle launched 36 of their missiles, totaling up to 216 missiles. The missiles screamed through the night sky... When they neared the target area, their computers took over, adjusting their guidance fins so they'd land right into the advancing armor force.

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Fifth Regiment of the 56th AID was now moving up behind the 2nd Regiment which was pushing across the lines.

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Concerning the new involvement by USA2, the Premier issued this statement:

"Pfft... Just more numbers on the enemy casualty board."
Belem
19-07-2004, 08:34
The advancing line halts before entering the forest in order to avoid being bottle necked in dense foliage. Machine guns on the tanks and Infantry continue firing into the forest for supression fire. Tanks will fire mainguns if targets still present themselves.
The 10 Paladin detatchment for this mile loads incindieary rounds and fires 3 volleys into the forest.


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15 APCs and 4 Crusaders and 3 Crusader IIs are taken out by the artillery bombardment. The Relief force continues its advance at fullspeed towards the enemy positions with Crusaders IIs and there 150 guns startig direct fire actions at 3-4 miles out. Infantry within the APCs check to make sure there combat suits are sealed as the reports on the heavily encrypted radio bands have artillery batteries asking for chems to be brought up to the front.

The center line continues withdrawing backwards trying to lure the advancing front in between the two main forces.
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The F-42s are flying signaficantly low to the ground(50-100 feetfor a napalm) to disrupt most of the radar guided missiles with extra ground interference. 8 of the F-42s are downed by the incoming missiles. The other two continue on there attack runs and drop 12 Napalm bombs in the center of the SB advance.

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2 of the Apaches are downed by the by handlaunched missiles. 4 more are knocked out by the first volley of the missiles.

the 6 Apaches switch targetting against enemy armor to enemy AA and launching there compliments of 8 Hellfires each at AA launchers.

3 cobras are downed by small arms fire and the remaining 17 continue strafing and rocketing runs of enemy ground troops.
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Most of the AA positions that were in the direct line of fire had to be abadoned or quickly relocated due to massive artillery and missile barrage.

Towed Artillery and Paladins further down the line open fire the reinforcements trying to reach the engagement. the 300 Pieces fire half inciendary and half Fragmentation rounds against the advancing forces. Another 100 guns start counter fire agaisnt SB artillery using the same half inciendary half frag as mentioned above.
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As soon as the ARSB choppers appear on the battle field a dozen APCs turn there chainguns skywards and open fire on the choppers as an additional 20 Stingers are launched against the choppers.

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20 F-40s on CAP head towards the incoming fighters to prevent them from engaging ground troops. As soon as the missiles come into reasonable range(150-170) Each F-40 will launch 2 Scorpions at the enemy aircraft before moving in closer to start dogfighting to prevent them from engaging ground targets.

More fighters are prepared to be launched for both CAP and CAS(close air support) missions.
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2 Dozen crusaders ands more are damaged are taken out in the smerch attacks but they continue advancing towards the enemy positions to bring the full brunt of 2 divisions down onto the SB forces.
Kazakhstania
19-07-2004, 12:37
OOC: Ive missed way too much

Whats happened when i have been away?

Last time I checked my 4th Paratroop Division had landed in nation and I was setting up a perimeter.

So,; whos been invaded, nuked, attcked, annexed etc?

Someone give me a run down. Last I checked this was only 13 pages.....
USA2
19-07-2004, 17:29
ooc: Just a question how far inland are these battles taking place
Buechoria
19-07-2004, 17:36
KAZAK, NO PERIMITER! YOUR TROOPS BRUST INTO FLAMES BECAUSE OF MY FIRESTORM! MUHAHAHA! Oh... Sorry... But yes, there was an enormous firestrom and I betchya it killed your pitiful troops *Cough* Read my speech *COugh*
Belem
19-07-2004, 19:39
OOC: Ive missed way too much

Whats happened when i have been away?

Last time I checked my 4th Paratroop Division had landed in nation and I was setting up a perimeter.

So,; whos been invaded, nuked, attcked, annexed etc?

Someone give me a run down. Last I checked this was only 13 pages.....
OOC: SBs fleet was nuked out of the water cause they launched Ballistic missiles which were mistaken as nukes. He then neutron bombed one of my divisions. More divisions were landed and started an advance towards Vikra.
Langvioa
19-07-2004, 21:36
While the subs tried desperatly to escape none of them made it out alive. All 8 were hit by the torpedoes, and one crew bailed out just before it was hit. 17 enlisted naval personnel and the X.O. of the sub escaped alive, and were picked up by a SSBN 17 hours later. The rest fell into Belem hands (excepting the captain, who insisted on going down with his ship)
In a newspaper interview with the medics and surgeons, all of them said that they would lay down their lives to treat the injured personnel of an allied nation. The only remorse that they had was that they were not able to save more of the injured ARSB soldiers. They also said that they belived that all of their dead comrades would agree.
The high command decided to mobilize the 2nd Elite. This was a unit 1,500 men armed with HK-ACRs. They did not move toward the battlefield but instead were ent to the opposite side of Buechoria to train and plan for a strike. There was already a base there with extensive early warning systems and SAM sites.
Belem
19-07-2004, 21:45
Inquisitors immediately begin extensive interrogations of the officers captured on the location of the rest of the Langvioan sub fleet, langvioan defenses in general and the battle plans of the military for the war.

OOC: basically the interrogation method is designed to be a quick method since they need the information now. First step is just threatening and demanding information if that doesnt work or if the information is believed to be false or altered they move onto the drug phase. First drugs adminstered are basic truth serums that lower inhibitations, if they still dont get the information they want they use a high dose of LSD wait for the person to come off the bad high and start asking questions again threatening to give them such a high dose they will never come off the high, ussually they will insert the needle and not press the plunger to instill more fear.
Soviet leaders
19-07-2004, 21:51
14:00 (It is a good day in soviet leaders)
P.sectary:Romakov.
Premier: Yes.
P.sectary:the commander is on line 1.
Premier:What is it.
Commander:i think we should enter a war on the side of sino.
Premier: OK you are clear for the attack.
Commander: YES SIR!!!!! (cilck of the other end of the line) MAS COME HERE
Mas: YES SIR!!!
Commander: i want thes units deployed
Mas: ok
Commander: fleet 4, 1,000troops and 10 MIG-29 thats it.
Mas: yes sir!!!!!
Langvioa
20-07-2004, 00:49
OOC:Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
IC: Unfortunatly, or fortunatly, the sub crews knew very little. One officer gave some very useless information, on what rations that they were issuing and such. The one thing that was said was information on the prototype stealth ship the L.S. Shadow. This was a ship that was covered in a material that absorbed radar rather than rflected it. It was also capable of limited sub-marine capabilities. The last thing he said before devolving into a schitzophrenic state was some slured information about a prototype under water Ballistic Missile: SMBM. But what he didnt know, was that this was really just two SSBNs, unknown to him (so Belem would not know about it) anchored only 100 miles away, and too low to get an accurate sonar reading of.
Five Civilized Nations
20-07-2004, 00:51
(OOC: Interesting... Maybe I should just join to take my hometown of Shanghai from Sino... *interesting...*)
Buechoria
20-07-2004, 00:55
OOC: Could someone recap the current situation? I'mc onfused and wanna make a post...
Five Civilized Nations
20-07-2004, 00:57
(OOC: On second thought, fuck this war... All I've seen are a whole shitload of godmodders...)
Sino
20-07-2004, 02:24
(OOC: Interesting... Maybe I should just join to take my hometown of Shanghai from Sino... *interesting...*)

OOC: I don't own Shanghai. Although for RP, I might.
Soviet Bloc
20-07-2004, 04:27
OOC- Ya know what we need... A map.
Also, you forgot to do damage on the second ship attack by the DP-02As.

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Thankfully, the ARSB forces had dissipated too much into the forest to sustain heavy casualties from the Paladin strikes. Twenty six ARSB soldiers are killed by the incendiary rounds while another dozen are wounded. Machine gun fire takes the lives of three anti-tank infantrymen as they attempted to fire on the Belem forces.

The battalion command company here had had two plans for this scenario. If they went through the bottleneck they'd hit the land mines and while they got mucked down, they'd get fired on by anti-tank infantry within the forests. However, if their commander had any brains and realized it was a bottleneck, they'd stop at the entrance. And thats what they did. Now they were open for artillery trained on the spot...

Six mortar teams (each with three mortar tubes) positioned in the forest at the max range of the mortars opened fire, sending three volleys each of the high explosives at the now massed Belem group at the entrance (total volleys of 54 shells).

A twelve-gun 155mm artillery battery opens fire on the massed Belem group with three barrages. The first two barrages are high-explosive, the final is incendiary to nail running infantry.

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Major Stormovich surveyed the battle scene from his command SIV-21. They had swiftly punched through the lines and advanced a few miles into the Belem-held lands. The time to halt was now. Of the 5000 men in the 2nd Regiment, some 450 were killed or wounded in the advance. Tank losses were light as only a dozen were taken out. His mind raced, halt or continue. They could be being led into an ambush... But if they halted, Belem had the chance to reorganize and counter-attack. If they continued, there was a good chance they could punch through what's ahead of them and go straight through any ambush. Besides, the entire 3rd Regiment was behind them, they had only seen light combat (a few of their soldiers had been with the 2nd RGT) and lost three soldiers. If 2nd RGT got mired down in an ambush, the 3rd RGT would free them or take the enemy by surprise and rout them...

He quickly called up the commanding colonel who agreed with the major, the advance must continue. Changes were made in the operational diagram so the advance would be faster. The 2nd Regiment speeded up and continued its advanced, field artillery barraging the retreating forces with incendiary and explosive shells.

So far, only two regiments were participating in this advance, that's 10,000 soldiers. Three more regiments (15000 soldiers) would now begin their advance.

*This is what the scene must resemble, the 'bump' is the ARSB advance.*
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The two arrows indicate the advances on the left side by 1st Regiment and the right side by 4th and 5th Regiments of the 56th Airborne Infantry Regiment. The two forces would attack where the two corners were in the sag in the Belem lines. This point would be weakest and as they penetrated it, it would allow the three regiments to attack the back-sides of the Belem forces. The 1st Regiment initiated the advance with a massive armor strike consisting of about 60 T-05A light tanks (90mm ETC main guns, two ATGM, two MGs (12.7mm and7.62mm)) and thirty FCT-17 medium tanks (105mm ETC main guns, two ATGM, one MG (12.7mm)). Immediately behind that were the twenty mobile fire support platform SIV-21s which were converted to handle 100mm mortar tubes on their rear end as well as a 40mm automatic grenade launcher mini-turret. Behind that would be the mechanized infantry with their SIV-21s, VAT-01s, and MMPWV M-04s. Just behind that would be twenty T-05As for support and after that would be the bulk of infantry and artillery.

The same scenario appeared on the right side of the sag, only with the 4th Regiment's infantry groups initiating combat. Twelve hundred infantry began the offensive on the armor columns with intensive ATGM fire from SIV-21s, heavy anti-tank missile fire from infantry, and light artillery support. As soon as the Belem force began retreating, both regiments armor elements would storm in and hit them as they retreated with 120 T-05A light tanks (90mm ETC main guns, two ATGM, two MGs (12.7mm and7.62mm)) and sixty FCT-17 medium tanks (105mm ETC main guns, two ATGM, one MG (12.7mm)). Two-thousand mechanized infantry would follow with SIV-21s, light artillery, and VAT-01s. 5th Regiment would deploy two thousand infantry to follow along the right side of the sag and take on any Belem forces along that 'side' with light artillery, SIV-21s (30mm auto-cannons, ATGMs, light mortars, 120mm turretless conventional guns, etc.). The rest of the 5th Regiment's infantry element (about 1800 soldiers) would turn and head east, coming along the northern side of Belem's southern advance force. They would be supported by SIV-21s, some T-05As, some FCT-17s, and numerous small vehicles including mortar artillery support. 4th Regiment's 1200 infantry that initiated the assault would follow after the tank and mech. assault and bleed into the area to maximize the advancing area. The rest of 4th Regiment's infantry grou (3800 soldiers) would move in towards the North East (diagonal).

Artillery from 1st Regiment (which had stayed behind) would open fire on retreating Belem lines.

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The napalm strike losses were stated above as well as artillery losses and attack helicopter losses (the 450 killed so far).

Eighteen SIV-21 air defense units are destroyed by the Apache attack. Another twelve fire their entire complements at the Apaches and Cobras, 72 missiles in total. Each vehicle carried six more missiles so they pulled back and the reloading process began. Another dozen soldiers opened fire with their AAM-98 launchers on the Cobras, firing two missiles each.

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Halfway to their target, the six DP-02As receive new orders. Destroy the artillery plaguing the advance. They quickly change heading and bear down hard on the enemy artillery, each one dropping their two 500lb on seperate targets (clustered together artillery). The six DP-02As then strafe the other positions before heading to the tank reinforcement column where they each fire their four ATM-15B anti-tank missiles at seperate tanks (total of 24 missiles). One 250lb bomb is dropped by each on the convoy of tanks. Two DP-02As are hit by enemy fire and crash into the forests. One crewmember survives.

To complement this, twenty-two F-225A stealth strike aircraft are launched, heading for Belem lines. They're flying at nap of the earth with no communications and no radar. Belem probably won't be able to notice them due to the fact there isn't a powerful enough mobile radar to spot them and since they're invading thats all they have access to. Bi-static radar won't work because the Belem advance is too small to have powerful radars positioned around to spot the aircraft.

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The helicopter-borne countermeasures work well, out-witting the out-dated Stinger missile. Two helicopters do fall, though, to the Stinger. Another five are wiped out by the chain guns. The remaining five open fire on the APCs and any tanks around, each firing their full complement of sixteen ATM-15B anti-tank missiles and two ATM-30 guided bombs (equivalent of a 250lb bomb). The helicopters also strafe enemy positions with their 20mm machine guns before turning back. One more his hit by rocket fire and spirals to the ground. Its crew surviving and being rescued by ARSB forces.

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"Chief Marshal, sir..." Captain Darovich spurted as he came to attention aboard a command ship in the 1st Battle Fleet...

The marshal spun around and examined the soldier, he spotted the double-bars... "Yes, Captain?"

"Sir." He handed the marshal a communications report... "The plan is working. Enemy reinforcements are being drawn to the 2nd Regiment, 56th AID advance point. Recommendations from Marshal Lobonsky are to attack the far east flank with the full force of the 98th Airborne Armor Division and Hirgizstan's 6th Heavy Marine Division."

The marshal nodded as he read the communique... "Alright, thank you, captain. You are dismissed..." The captain raised a stiff salute and the marshal returned with a laid-back one... The captain spun around and quicly exited the room...

"Perfect..." Chief Marshal Viktor Dansky quickly dispatched a transmission to Marshal Lobonsky, commanding officer of the 98th AAD. The order was given, the advance would begin immediately...

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As the order was received, the entire 98th AAD with its 600 T-05A (90mm ETC, two ATGM, two MG), FCT-17 (105mm ETC, two ATGM, one MG), and T-04AB (120mm conventional, two ATGM, three MG)tanks and 25000 mechanized infantry slammed into the far eastern flanks of the Belem lines. The unit also has nearly 500 other IFVs with another 200 light vehicles (MMPWV M-04s). The division's 200 or so HVC-03 transports and the division's 150 SAH-17s and 60 SAH-04s swarmed into the Belem lines, taking on tanks, air defense units, and artillery. The HVC-03s slid through a hole in the Belem lines created by the advancing division and deposited 2400 airborne cavalry infantry and another 80 SIV-21s and 60 MMPWV M-04s within the Belem territory. The group immediately besieged the largest artillery position in the vicinity, slowly tightening the suffocating grip on the position.

Just before the massive advance, 60 Smerch missile batteries opened fire on Belem artillery positions in the region. Over a 2-hour period before the attack, 180 missiles were launched (3 barrages). The loading cranes and heavy trucks were there to reload.

A half-hour before the assault, 150 assorted artillery pieces (from 90mm to 155mm) opened fire on the lines in four massed barrages with explosive rounds for the first two, the grenade rounds for the third to hit vehicles as they ran, and the forth was the incendiary to hit the infantry as they evacuated their positions.

Immediately afterward, the attack began. The 98th and 6th AADs (the 6th is Hirgizstan's) should have no problem plowing through the lightly defended Belem lines. And since some units were presumably pulled away to defend against the other advance, it should be even easier. Also, the huge group of Belem reinforcements are heading in the wrong direction and unless they don't change direction, they'll quickly get cut off from logistical support and be at the mercy of ARSB forces.

The Belem lines had no hope against the massive hammer about to slam into their tissue-paper thin lines...

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-Hirgizstan also allowed me to operate his forces for now-

The 6th Airborne Armored Division will follow the 98th's advance, until it gets at least one mile into Belem territory where the 6th will turn to the north east (diagonal to the left) and advance like so, with some units coming along Belem's lines from the behind (after they circle around after they penetrate the lines).

The Hirgizstanian 6th AAD has the following units-
3 Brigades. The Division has 18100 Troops in total, 12350 Combat troops in total. It has 200 UH-60L's, 150 CH-47D's,100 OH-58D's, 200 AH-64D Apache's, 100 RAH-66 Commanche's, 500 M551 Sheridan Light Tanks, 100 LAV-300's, 200 Hummvee's, and 300 Light Strike Vehicles, as well as 300 Armed ATV's.
Belem
20-07-2004, 04:31
OOC:Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
IC: Unfortunatly, or fortunatly, the sub crews knew very little. One officer gave some very useless information, on what rations that they were issuing and such. The one thing that was said was information on the prototype stealth ship the L.S. Shadow. This was a ship that was covered in a material that absorbed radar rather than rflected it. It was also capable of limited sub-marine capabilities. The last thing he said before devolving into a schitzophrenic state was some slured information about a prototype under water Ballistic Missile: SMBM. But what he didnt know, was that this was really just two SSBNs, unknown to him (so Belem would not know about it) anchored only 100 miles away, and too low to get an accurate sonar reading of.

The prisoners are removed from the basecamp by light transport(one of the first to arrive on location) to a P.O.W. work camp in Belem set up to construct artillery shells.
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Later in the day rockets launch the first satelite to establish a Geosync orbit over the Buechorian region to give round the clock intel.

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Belem
20-07-2004, 05:22
OOC: ok i think I have that in a text file just have to find it.

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Tanks and APCs begin taking hits and and start withdrawing from the forest line as soon as the first artillery shells begin falling on there positions.

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the rest of the choppers are taken out from the missile attacks. Artillery and air attacks succeed in taking out more of Artillery positions in the rear.
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Main forces continue the withdraw and tightening the entire lines to about 3,000 infantry 300 APCS and 510 tanks in the path of the main enemy advance. There mission is to hold the line until the main attack arrives and then break if neccesary once the gap is closed further ahead.
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The two reinforcement Divisions break and heads eastward. One division leads forward to hit the main attacking force in its flank as it tries to pierce through the line. The first division comes in with two pincer movements 750 Tanks in each Pincer(350 Crusader 350 Crusader II 50 Lancers which are medium tanks using railgun technology so the shells are the equivelent of about a 120) and 500 APCs(5,000 troops.) The 1,500 tanks primary focus is on two team attack modes since Belem tanks outnumber enemy tanks 2 to 1 two tanks concentrate on one enemy tank to overwhelm its armor defenses the usual pair of is a Crusader I(125mm) and a crusader IIs(150mm). The APCs will lay down covering fire on enemy infantry and light vechiles before they unload troops at 1.5 miles.
The divisions entire artilery battery 1,000 guns worth opens fire on the advancing enemy force using a mix of high explosive and inciendary rounds.

The second division moves eastwards behind the defensive line and assists the beseiged forces eastern front bringing forward 300 tanks(half crusader half II) and 3,000 infantry to hit the forces on the tip of its advance.

The rest of the division waits behind the lines to recieve orders. The divisions artillery detatchment begins the loading of special shells(OOC: blister agent and chlorine gas) and is preparing to fire them.
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120 Tomahawks are launched into the advancing ARSB troops.

40 F-42s are inbound on the desk against ARSB positions with napalm loads.
30 F-40s are flying overhead on escort.

40 Apaches and 40 Cobras are launched to provide close air support they are loaded with anti personnal rockets.
Belem
20-07-2004, 05:36
OOC: other part of the fleet attack

5 missiles hit(3 and 2) 2 Shield AA ships causing causing moderate damage to both and knocking some missile batteries out of action.

Frigates get minor structural damage from the strafing by the enemy aircraft, and moderate damage from the sickle attack.

The carry is hit by approx 7 missiles and takes heavy damage all ops from it are suspended.

The other carrier has to suspend flight ops temporary due to damage to the flight deck until emergency repairs can be made.

One Burke Destroyer takes heavy damage from the kamikaze style attack.
Bonstock
20-07-2004, 06:10
ooc: Hey, can I have a brief synopsis of events here so far? Sino's acting damn aggressive towards me, and if he goes to war I will seek to align myself with whoever here opposses Sino.
Soviet Bloc
20-07-2004, 06:15
OOC- How long is this front?


Major General Gregori Cwiak watched the enemy's movements from his distant post... As commander of the entire 56th Airborne Infantry Division, it was his duty to support the men already being engaged. His teetch clenched as he watched in real time as the enemy's armor began the pincer movements... He waited until the forces had been nearly enveloped...

"COLONEL! ORDER THE ADVANCE!!!!!!" He shouted to a colonel standing twenty yards away... The colonel shouted a response before hopping into an SIV-21 command variant. The order was given, now, the heaviest armor presence on the ground in Buechoria would come up behind the Belem armor encompassing parts of the 56th AID. The 15th Armored Combat Regiment, a division-sized 'regiment', was no storming towards the Belem 'pincers'.

Three hundred FCT-17 Future Medium Combat Tanks immediately came to life, storming forward into the rear ends of the 'pincers', easily catching the enemy armor by surprise. Their 105mm ETC cannons could easily punch through the enemy's armor not to mention the ability for the FCT-17s to fire on up to two targets simultaneously with ATGM and cannon. The turret held no crew on this vehicle and atop its main turret sat a smaller turret with a 20mm automatic cannon. Three hundred FCT-17s firing their ETC guns at 15 rounds a minute while also firing their four ATGMs in a minute while also firing 450 rounds a minute from thei 20mm cannons could do a helluva lot of damage, especially on an unsuspecting foe.

Supporting these 300 FCT-17s were two hundred SIV-21s, mainly anti-tank in different capacities. Two hundred of the SIV-21s were ATGM launchers, carrying eight ATM-15B advanced anti-tank missiles with two reloads. Reloading took three minutes with the four soldiers riding along in the SIV-21s. The other one hundred were outfitted with turret-less 120mm conventional cannons as well as two ATGMs. The 120mm conventional cannon was firing SABOTed rounds at 10 rounds per minute.

Along with the 300 FCT-17s were one hundred T-04A light tanks. These tanks were the most armored of the three and sported 120mm conventional cannons. Their 120mm cannons could fire 12 rounds per minute. Combined with their two ATGMs and three machine guns, these were lethal machines.

And finally, the advanced T-05A light tank. She was the pride of the airborne forces with her light weight and near impenetrable armor (NGERA, double-layer which could defeat most tank rounds up to 155mm; of course this armor had to be put on after landing, otherwise it weighed too heavy). There were four-hundred of these in the 15th ACR. And they were a force to be reckoned with, they were incredibly fast and maneuvarable. Combined with their advanced targetting systems they could track and engage two targets at a time, one with the main gun and one with ATGMs launched from a side-mounted launcher. She could fire on the move (like the rest) but with her computers, she could fire on enemy tanks before they knew she was there and get out before any others realized she had even fired. Her 90mm ETC gun could pack as munch punch as a 120mm and her four ATGMs (ATM-15Bs) were more advanced than most tanks. Four-hundred of these could do alot of damage, especially on an enemy that didn't even know they were coming.

And the group doesn't stop there, the 15th ACR also had three hundred MMPWV M-04s, most were outfitted with machine guns, but 100 of them were outfitted with the ATM-7B advanced launching system, capable of firing eight rounds a minute with a sixteen-missile magazine.



The 15th ACR also had an airborne cavalry regiment with it, meaning sixty SAH-17 attack helicopters and 5000 airborne cavalry infantrymen along with light vehicles.

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The entire force swarmed into the vacuum and came up behind the unsuspecting 'pincers', unleasing pure hell... 800 Tanks, 200 anti-tank IFVs, and 300 light vehicles (with 100 anti-tank vehicles), and 60 attack helicopters were now racing into the Belem armored force with 25000 infantry spreading out behind it and enveloping the Belem force that had enveloped the other.

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Meanwhile, the 56th AID halted and defended its position... Some 600 more soldiers had been killed or wounded due to artillery and the armor strikes. Of the division's 120 tanks, about 50 survived (mainly due to the fact they were extremely overwhelmed). They awaited to be saved by the 15th ACR.

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Another 600 soldiers are killed or wounded by cruise missile strikes on the 56th AID. These same cruise missiles should have killed some of Belem's own forces.

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The twenty-two F-225As continue inwards... Eventually coming up on their target, the massive amount of enemy artillery... The 22 F-225As each launch eight miniature cruise missiles (PAC-28L High Explosive, basically a larger anti-tank missile with a larger warhead, damage equal to a 500lb bomb) towards the enemy massed artillery. A total of 176 of the weapons are launched. They're launched in ways they'll hit clusters of artillery platforms, destroying as many as possible. They turn and head back towards home, hoping to make it out alive... Thirty F-57As head towards their location to provide escort. Currently, they're too far west of the Belem escort position.

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The six-hundred assembled artillery (from the 98th AAD) begins opening fire on resistance on the eastern side of the front. The 600 fire continuously with heavy air defense including mobile SAM sites, long-range air defense vehicles, and AAM-98s. The artillery fires a mix of high explosive, grenade, and extended range incendiary/grenade shells to maximize damage.

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Twenty SAH-04s move in above the first ARSB advance (on the west) and begin engaging enemy attack helicopters with short range air to air infrared-guided missiles. The sleek Commanche-like helicopters carry a total of eight AAM-98 infrared missiles and two AAM-160 medium range radar guided. A total of 160 short range infrared guided missiles and forty medium range radar guided missiles are fired on the enemy attack helicopters as they approach.

Along the ground, SIV-21 air defense units open fire. Nearly 60 AAM-98s are fired at the advancing attack helicopters. About a dozen infantry-launched AAM-98s are fired as well.

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Thirty B-56A supersonic bombers take off from a Buechorian air base being used by the ARSB. The thirty bombers are escorted by twelve Tu-160 supersonic bombers as well as nearly fifty escort F-57As and DP-21s.

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The Smerch batteries prepare for another mass-launching after forty new launchers are added from the 4th Marine Division that landed awhile ago. A total of 100 Smerch batteries are now operational. They fire a total of 200 'guided' missiles towards their targets, the enemy armor advance on the eastern front. The 200 missiles are high explosive and could easily destroy an enemy tank if landing within 30 feet from one.

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Fourteen CM-214 launch vehicles stood sentinel outside an abandoned Buechorian army base being used by ARSB forces. The 14 CM-214s were loaded with fourteen PAC-56G ground-launched cruise missiles. This was I Battery of the 1st RGT 33rd AID. Four more of these battieres: G Battery, H Battery, J Battery, and F Battery, dotted the Buechorian landscape. Each had 14 CM-214 launch vehicles and 14 PAC-56G cruise missiles...

At 1645, the order was given to launch... At five seperate points through out Buechoria, and at least 700 miles from the nearest Belem soldier, 14 PAC-56G cruise missiles were launched. A total of 70 PAC-56G cruise missiles were fired. Of the 70, thirty were multiple ordinance with napalm, and bomblets. Twenty were fitted with bomblets and were aimed for enemy tank formations. Ten were outfitted with napalm and targetted for enemy infantry. The other 40 cruise missiles were heavy explosives and targeted towards bunkers, enemy armor, artillery, and logistical points.
_Taiwan
20-07-2004, 07:01
ooc: Hey, can I have a brief synopsis of events here so far? Sino's acting damn aggressive towards me, and if he goes to war I will seek to align myself with whoever here opposses Sino.

OOC:
Well, here's a rough outline.

Sino kills a group of hippies on a sinoese island, who as it turns out later are Buechoria operatives....and that's about all I can remember.

Sino
Belem
Kazahkstania (sp?)

vs

Buechoria
soviet bloc
Soviet Bloc
20-07-2004, 07:06
OOC-

Summary of events-

1. Not sure
2. Not sure
3. No idea
4. No idea yet...
5. Belem invades Buechoria in retribution for Buechoria attack on Sino
6. Buechoria comes to me for aid
7. ARSB declares war on Belem, Sino. We're allied with Kazakhstania. No hostility yet.
8. Massive naval and air engagement between ARSB and Belem fleets.
9. ARSB kicks Belem's fleet's ass repeatedly
10. Sino pot-shots ARSB fleet and fires ballistic missiles (non-nuclear) at ARSB main fleet, little damage
11. ARSB fires non-nuclear ballistic missiles at Belem fleet in retaliation.
12. Belem mistakes them for nukes, fires nukes at ARSB Fleet... ARSB Fleet disappears in a series of bright flashes. Eye witnesses still claim fleet was abducted by aliens. Witnesses found to be suffering from severe radiation sickness.
13. Orbital weapons used on Belem
14. Neutron bombs used on Belem amphibious invasion
15. Neutron bombs used again on Belem amphibious invasion
16. Belem agrees to cease fire if ARSB pulls out
17. ARSB 'pulls out' but leaving behind FACs having a good idea Belem won't stop
18. Belem doesn't stop, continues invasion
19. Massive ARSB air drop, units spread out quickly
20. Belem fires nuclear-tipped cruise missiles at ARSB drop zone
21. Relatively low casualties due to variable terrain, dense foliage, and spread out ARSB forces.
22. ARSB advances to Belem lines
23. ARSB engages Belem lines
24. ARSB marines land, head for Belem lines
25. ARSB penetrates Belem lines
26. Massive fleet prepares for Operation 'Valve', fleet is still near ARSB

That's from my side.
Belem
20-07-2004, 07:13
OOC: only 3 to 5 miles for the pincers

300 tanks are destroyed by the attack. And the remaining 1100 turn there attention towards the new enemy force and opens fire on the new force.

The 10 thousand dismounted infantry open fire on the advancing troops while using the APCs for cover, The apcs open fire on the light Anti tank vechiles with there 30mm chainguns. The APCs equipped with TOWs launch 250 TOWs at the incoming tanks. The infantry launch an additional 400 LAWs against the the incoming tanks.

800 tanks from the 2nd support division and 5 thousand troops begin speeding to the front to support the new 1st division. The rest of the division remains behind to stay as reinforcements.

The 40 F-42s line up on the new forces on the battlefile and each drop 6 Napalm bombs(240) on the advancing infantry.

The 1,000 guns in the rear by 2nd reinforcement division open fire on enemy troop positions. 800 are targetted against the new force of 25 thousand troops and the remaining 200 fire on the troops held up in the other pocket.
Half the guns are firing Blister agent(it will react to any exposed flesh and can spread that way.) and Chlorine gas. Each shell contains about 15 gallons of the stuff(enough to be spread over a couple hundred feet per canister.) They will each fire 6 volleys of the gas before switching firing HE shells at the enemy positions joining in with the other 1400 guns.
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230 tanks from the Eastern positions and the 300 tanks and 3,000 infantry from the western reinforcements smash into the 56th airbone on both sides.

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30 sidewinders from the Apaches(wingtip mounts) are launched against the incoming choppers.
30 cobras ans 25 apaches are take out by the missies.

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about 200 artilery pieces are taken out.


300 tomahawks are launched from the fleet there targets are the SMERCH batteries and the rest of the artillery positions 120 are aimed against smerch the rest are aimed against the other artillery batteries

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70 F-40s are sent on an intercept course to intercept the heavy bombers. At 150 miles they will each launch there entire compliment of LR missiles 6 each(420 total) then will speed up to enter medium range.
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The 1,000 self propelled artillery held in reserve in the basecamp is being mobilized along with 4 thousand infantry to advance forward to assist the rest of the troops in there breakout attempt.
Belem
20-07-2004, 07:44
5th fleet(refit fleet all new class ships) is inbound to allow for the more heavily damaged ships to be relieved and to relocate them to nearby bases to get completely repaired.

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two airborne divisions take off from Belem escorted by 300 Viper Interceptors, 50 F-40s, 50 F-42s, 4 AWACs provide jamming radar jamming for the flight and the group mantains radio and radar silence and use satelite relays to report to them on enemy locations. They will take a slightly longer path to avoid all enemy entanglements.

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The tanks not destroyed in the blast of the neutron attack are being cleaned out and are being prepared to be used as replacements for the ones lost on the front.
Soviet Bloc
20-07-2004, 08:03
OOC- Damn, this is getting confusing with all the numbers... I'm almost up for shitcanning the numbers and going by tactics and movements without all the numbers involved (except when necessary- i.e. cruise missiles, aircraft, etc.)

Oh, come on, you had to lose more than 200 artillery. Between the Smerch attacks, the ground-launched cruise missiles, air-launched 'mini-cruise missiles', and the artillery, you should've lost five times that. The air launched attack should have been at least guaranteed one artillery piece per missile (if not more).
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The entire armored force begins evasive maneuvers... The T-05As can shrug off alot of the damage due to its NGERA ERA armor, however twenty are destroyed in the initial counter-attack. The rest continue their massive attack on enemy tanks. The T-04ABs suffer the most damage, losing about sixty to the initial returning fire by the Belem tanks. They begin maneuvers to minimize their chance of being hit... The FCT-17s, with their extremely low profile and high speed manage to escape much of the destruction however thirty four are lost.

Active countermeasures (Shtora-3 and ARENA II) disable a quarter of the incoming LAWs... Most of them impact T-05As, their double layer NGERA being able to null the effects of most of the missiles. However 300 missiles do take their toll and 90 T-05As fall along with 11 T-04s and thirty FCT-17s.

The napalm proves ineffective due to the fact of heavy foliage, preventing the 'splattering' of the flammable gel. The napalm runs are exactly that, just thin lines of fire. About three hundred men are killed in the attacks.

Due to the range, the artillery attacks on the new 25000-man strong force are too inaccurate to prove effective. A small portion of the troops, about 800 are killed, though along with thirty vehicles.

The artillery on the surrounded forces is fairly effective although the forces there are spread out too far to receive much damage. Only 350 are killed in the continued barrages.

The chemical attacks are completely ineffective, all ARSB troops are fighting in their VEPR enhanced combat suits (think LandWarrior). These suits double as NBC equipment (they have full-face helmets and visors as well). A few dozen soldiers are wounded though from the blister agent. Two are killed.

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Realizing their only hope is from the rear, the 56th Airborne Infantry Division ignores the attacks on the sides, using little resources to repel them. Their primary focus is on attacking the Belem armor with their backs now turned to them (the ones in the pincer groups that are now engaging the ones that came from the rear). A huge barrage of ATGM fire from infantry, light vehicles, SIV-21s, FCT-17s, T-05s, VAT-01s, and T-04ABs result in nearly 600 ATM-7 and ATM-15Bs being fired at the enemy tanks. The sixty T-05s, twenty FCT-17s and eight T-04s in the surrounded group begin an all-out engagement with the 'pincer' group (since they're now turned and engaging the others).

This is coupled with a massive counterstrike from the 15th ACR which launchs nearly 300 ATM-15Bs from the FCT-17s, T-05s, MMPWVs, and SIV-21s. Another 60 are fired from infantry. Couple the ATGMs with the amount of gunfire and the Belem tanks should fall, especially from the massive strike from their rear by the 56th AID.

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Most of the 100 Smerch batteries had been moved by then although thirty were destroyed or damaged in the cruise missile attack. Of the 180 against artillery, 21 are shot down by anti-missile missiles and another 30 are taken down by mobile CIWS systems. The remaining 129 impact the rear portion of A Battery's site. Destroying 145 pieces along with 120 more artillery pieces from C Battery. D Battery loses 21 pieces in the attack.

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Attack Helicopters-

Due to the advanced active countermeasures on the SAH-04s, fourteen of the missiles are disabled or forced to crash into the ground. The other sixteen impact eleven of the SAH-04s. Nine remain, one with light shrapnel damage. The remaining nine quickly flee, their superior speed (They move at about 215 MPH, some 30 miles faster than the AH-64) leaving any pursuers in the dust. A half hour later and they return with twenty-four more SAH-04s and twenty SAH-17s. The SAH-04s engage the remaining Cobras and Apaches with a total of 120 short and medium range missiles. The SAH-17s begin anti-tank operations, firing a total of sixteen ATM-15Bs each at enemy tanks (total of 320 anti-tank missiles). Each one also drops two 250lb bombs on enemy infantry positions (total of 40).

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Due to the fact they were launched at 150 miles and the fact that DP-21s were present (which have extensive jamming equipment and selective electronic warfare abilities), the missiles only achieved a 15% accuracy rate, knocking down seven bombers (they were the Tu-160s) only because the DP-21s couldn't jam their frequency soon enough. No B-65As were lost due to the fact they're extremely stealth and the missiles didn't have powerful enough radar to effectively target the aircraft.

As the F-40s enter range, ground-based SAM batteries in the area open fire... A total of forty radar-guided long-range surface to air missiles are launched with infrared terminal stage...

Whatever's left of them after that is engaged by medium range air to air missiles from the DP-21s and F-57As (total of 150 launched, three from each plane). 30 F-57As hit Mach 2.5 reach enemy F-40s before they can fire and engage with short range infrared guided missiles, firing two each. Total- 60.

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As the 98th AAD and Hirg's 6th AAD battle on, the ARSB 4th Marine Division moves up along the coast (they were landed a few days ago). They contain the heavy tanks, the ST-11s and T-08s, easily capable of tearing Belem tanks into shreads of scrap metal...

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ARSB's 8th Marine Division has begun landing a few hundred miles from the nearest Belem unit.

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The 11th Airborne Infantry Division is air dropped in over central Buechoria and quickly spreads out, learning from the last incident...

ARSB transports, heavily escorted by fighters begin landing the II Armored Corps. The full airlift is expected to take a week of constant flying. Air defense IS MASSIVE. The entire area is surrounded with SAM batteries, at least 200 miles from the landing points. Sixty fighters are continuously above the landing zone and another sixty continually escort the transports.

Other portions of II Corps begin arriving at capable ports aboard modified oil tankers and heavy cargo ships... All of these landings are on the opposite end of Buechoria, to avoid enemy aircraft, cruise missiles, and forces...

The 5th Marine Division has begun landing at the far southern tip of Buechoria.

In a week, all 1200 tanks of the II Corps will be on land in Buechoria.


After its all said and done, some 2500 tanks and 100,000 more infantry will be deposited within Buechoria over the next few weeks.
Belem
20-07-2004, 08:51
OOC: whats damage from the 250 TOWs?
Edit OOC: how far away is your marine division with the heavy tanks im assuming there still a long ways away since they would of had to land on the other side of Buechoria.

another 60(an additional 70 from the behind attacks later down) tanks are taken out in the battle. The armored forces begin using the craters in field as makeshift cover in the battle.

The rest of the advance line(the part that halted and wasn't under attack) begin to spring into action with 1300 APCs(3,000 troops) and 1,000 tanks. The forces set off in a westward hook with there southern flank heavily guarded in case of another flanking manuerv.

200 APCs and 200 tanks continue heading southwards towards the ARSB rear positions at full speed trying to get into the SB supply and artillery lines.

1,500 Artillery pieces continue bombardment of enemy positions using fragmentation air burst rounds(ideal detonation altitude which I believe is about 10-20 feet.)

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The two sides continue to pound into the 56th with everything they got. APCs and infantry open fire on any troops who are foolish enough to put there heads up. 400 tanks concentrate all there fire on the enemy positions that are harrasing the more southern forces.

75 tanks are quickly redeployed south to make up for souther position losses.

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The rest of the cobras and apaches are taken out. An additional 50 tanks are knocked out of action and 40 APCs from the missiles. troops and equipped APCs launch 160 Stingers at the choppers.

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35 F-40s are taken out. The remaining 35 each launch 4 Medium range AA IR against the enemy fighters.
Another 20 are knocked out the by second missile attack. The remaining F-40s turn six and engage afterburners and head back towards the fleet dropping to the deck to confuse radar


40 of the F-40s on high orbit overfly of the ground battle are immediately rerouted to intercept the bombers before they could reach there targets. This group waits to approx. 70-100 miles before launching all 6 of there Long range missiles.

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20 B-2 Stealth Bombers take off from Belem each loaded with 6 Javelin AS missiles there mission is to intercept the cargo and oil ships being used to transport the troops from ARSB. They are to get within 250-300 miles of the ships launch there missiles then headback to base. Each of the B2s come in at a different angle of the attack as not to be bunched up.
OOC: they are going to try for intercept when they are the furtherest from any form of air cover from either Buechoria bases or SB bases and as deeply out to sea as possible to ensure max casualities.
Langvioa
20-07-2004, 16:44
OOC: I'm probobly wrong,but aren't Javelins AT missiles, not AS missiles
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Later, at the POW camp where the POWs are constructing artillary shells, one prisoner trys to bargain for less work and possibly freedom. His report goes as such-
Seaman Fields: Ok, heres waht I know, the sub fleet is positioned like this. My team was team G. Every sub team has 8 Virginia class subs. The teams go up to K. A,E, and I are guarding the shipping lines of us, Buechorias, and Soviets Blocs ships. B,C,D and J are in reserve, and....
Interrogator: Yes...
Fields: F,H, and K are on attack vector to your fleet. They should be arriveing in, well, what time is it?
Interrogator: 2:30 pm.
Fields: oh hell, there already there
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The sub teams prepared to launch the second volley
32 torpedoes were already fired, and another 17 were loaded and ready for action. Team F was not there yet, and was having communications trouble, and was sufaced, easily noticed by radar.
Buechoria
20-07-2004, 18:34
Ooc: I Reallly Need A Recap Because I'm Lost!
Langvioa
20-07-2004, 18:53
OOC: Ok, heres what I've gathered so far.
Belem is off the beaches and engaging ARSB inland somewhere. ARSB tried to create an airbase but it was destroyed. Thats the breif recap, ask the others for details.
Belem
20-07-2004, 20:09
OOC: I'm probobly wrong,but aren't Javelins AT missiles, not AS missiles
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Later, at the POW camp where the POWs are constructing artillary shells, one prisoner trys to bargain for less work and possibly freedom. His report goes as such-
Seaman Fields: Ok, heres waht I know, the sub fleet is positioned like this. My team was team G. Every sub team has 8 Virginia class subs. The teams go up to K. A,E, and I are guarding the shipping lines of us, Buechorias, and Soviets Blocs ships. B,C,D and J are in reserve, and....
Interrogator: Yes...
Fields: F,H, and K are on attack vector to your fleet. They should be arriveing in, well, what time is it?
Interrogator: 2:30 pm.
Fields: oh hell, there already there
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The sub teams prepared to launch the second volley
32 torpedoes were already fired, and another 17 were loaded and ready for action. Team F was not there yet, and was having communications trouble, and was sufaced, easily noticed by radar.

OOC: I named my AS Javelin before I knew about the AT version but the AT version is obsolete now anyway so it doesnt matter.

18 torpedos make it through counter measures
4 Perry Frigates are hit by torpedo each and take minor to moderate damage
6 Burkes are hit by 1 torpedo each minor to moderate damage. 1 is crippled.
3 Ticonderogas hit by 2 torpedos each moderate damage
1 Iowa Battleship hit by 2 torpedos light to moderate damage

Attack subs and destroyers using the sonar buoys as relays launch 40 Torpedos back at the langvioan subs.

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Since Seaman fields cooperated with the Inquisitors he is given 2 extra hours of rest time per day for the entire week.
Langvioa
20-07-2004, 21:38
OOC: were any of the torpedoes laucnched at the team not there
IC: Every sub launcehed counter-measures
5 Destroyed
2 Heavy Damage (Remained at the sight of the combat)
5 Medium Damage
1 Light Damage
4 Took evasive menuvers and escaped
Belem
20-07-2004, 21:45
OOC: if they are past the 50 mile perimeter where the buoys are then no.

IC:

4 more torpedos are launched at the heavily damaged subs that didnt manage to escape.
Langvioa
20-07-2004, 22:20
OOC: ok, then they are alive
IC: the heavily damaged subs were both destroyed
Soviet Bloc
21-07-2004, 04:30
OOC- Damage from 250 TOWs, it'll take about 3 to take out a T-05A (assuming they all hit the front end). So, 23 T-05As destroyed along with 40 T-04s and FCT-17s.

The marines are a long ways down the the beach, near the opposite end of Buechoria.

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All ARSB bombers en route towards Belem lines turn six (before they hit range of Belem missile launch) and return to the bases they're launched from... A change of plans was the reason. Escort fighters keep enemy fighters at bay.

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As for the attack on the cargo vessels... Due to the range involved and due to heavy F-57A Molniya cover and DP-21 cover in between the launch point and the vessels, very few make it through without being knocked from the sky by selective jamming and radar jamming (very easy when the cruise missile is moving subsonic [presumably] and has to go 350 miles before it hits its target). About thirty make it through to the transport armada. Escort ship's CIWS takes care of about 12 of them. The other eighteen impact the reinforced hulls of the converted tankers. Four tankers maintain moderate damage (one is forced to stop while repairs are made), two maintain light damage, and one's bridge was completely destroyed, killing most of its crew. Due to the attacks, four ST-11s NGBTs were destroyed with another 6 damaged. Fourteen ARSB infantry were killed.

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During the time the battle has raged on the Belem lines, engineering companies had been building a line of defenses, primarily SAM systems and land-based CIWS in the dense trees, easily hidden from the prying eyes of Belem's satellite hovering over the nation... The most notable feature of this line was its anti-missile batteries, the ALM-40 system, capable of taking on cruise missiles and other large ground-launched missiles with a 60-70% accuracy (in good conditions; with target number below 10 units, unit can achive 90-100% accuracy).

This was the fall-back line... It was located some 23 miles from the current Belem lines and was staffed with 9800 infantry defenders and four hundred tanks and IFVs for permanent defense. Its ultimate defense, however, was the fact it was spread out and well-hidden and in uneven terrain with high hill-tops and low valleys with rivers inter-twining through-out the area. It was the ultimate obsticle.

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"I'm sick of it... That's what I think of this whole damn thing... They outnumber us severely but our better tech is keeping the playing fields even... We've advanced a bit but now we've halted... I'm sure with some cohesive commanding we could advance steadily..." Chlevenkov stated to to Cheif Marshal Alexi Grishkov and Fleet Admiral Sergei Federov, the two highest ranking officers of the Army and Navy, respectively...

Federov spoke up... "Why not cancel Operation Valve. Its already taxing our logistical units... If we cancel 'Valve', we can overwhelm the fledgling Belem fleet with the 1st Fleet... Belem had enough trouble with the 2nd Battle Fleet, which was half the size of the 1st."

"No, no, no..." Alexi returned... "Too many lives have already been lost... This war is tearing Buechoria up, ripping her apart... I do believe we must inflict as much damage as possible, but not while ruining a nation... Remember, we're probably going to have to pay to rebuild that country, or we should for what we've done to it..."

A knock on the door turned the all three mens' attentions to the door... The premier glanced at the two officers before saying, "Come in..."

The man walked in in his pressed and clean blue uniform... He stood to attention... "Comrade Premier, sir..."

Boris smiled... "Ahh... Yuriy, you decided to show up..."

"Yes, yes, I know... I'm late, but what can I say..." Yuriy spoke up. Yuriy was officially known as Air Marshal Yuriy Darovich, ARSB Air Force Chief of Staff. He glanced to the two other men and gave them a curt nod... "Alexi... Sergei..."

The two other men nodded back before returning their gaze to the now-seated Premier Chlevenkov... Yuriy pulled up a chair from the far wall... "What has been discussed thus far?" Yuriy said, glancing to each of them...

Chlevenkov shook his head... "Nothing really, just trying to figure out a way to end this damn war. "

The AFCS spoke up... "Ahh... I have the solution..." Chlevenkov's head looked up... "Hmm... Please inform us of this 'solution'..."

"Comrade Premier... I have spoken to Alexi about this and he's agreed with me... " Yuriy said, glancing to the Army chief of staff... Yuriy then pulled out a sheet of paper from his briefcase and slid it across the desk... "That paper outlines the maneuvers... It also says that we keep Operation 'Valve' as a final measure in the event Belem does not stand down. The first stages of this operation should begin as soon as possible...

Boris read over it... He grinned... "I like it..." He then glanced to three men... "Alright, get it done... I want to see this in action..."

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The first part of this operation involved the launch of one of the six 'ready rockets', which were actually the ARSB's OCTAR rocket launch vehicles for placing satellites into space. Six of these were put on constant alert during wartime for launch within 30 minutes of an order. This OCTAR, OTR-18, was today's lucky recipient of a free ride into space... Twenty-eight minutes after the order was given, this launch vehicle thundered into space, arcing towards Buechoria. At 4000 miles from Buechoria, the second stage fell away. The third, and final, stage continued its journey... At 1200 miles the third stage puttered out and the weapons stage was revealed... The cylindrical vehicle emerged from the casings of its OCTAR rocket... Its momentum carried it into its assigned orbit with the help of some rotational and maneuvering rockets... Six minutes later and its orbit brought it over Buechoria...As it passed, forty miles above Belem's satellite, and about 150 miles 'south' of it, the 'cylinder' fired four smaller 'missiles'. These smaller 'missiles' activated their own rockets, bringing them into a geographically synchronous (sp of both? and proper grammar of both)orbit above Buechoria, still 20 miles above and to the south of Belem's satellite, well out of range of any countermeasures... The four 'missiles', more like tubes with small protrusions sat there for a few moments before one shattered apart... Revealing four 'rockets', the first ignited its motors and headed for the satellite... A few minutes later (while the first was 10 miles away and heading towards the Belem sat.), the second fired its rocket... And so this went on until eventually one of the rockets managed to impact the satellite (total of 16 rockets with massive warheads, if they were destroyed within 500 feet of the satellite, the satellite would be destroyed. If destroyed within 1500 feet of satellite, chances were that shrapnel would hit the satellite and puncture through it like hot needles into butter, therefore probably destroying it (since satellites are compact)). These rockets also maintained an EMP blast generator near the midsection, so, as they hit a set range (within one mile), their EMP generators would come to live and fire off an EMP blast. And since, if the sat had any countermeasures on it, including EMP, none of it probably had a range of 1 mile, meaning, no matter what, 16 EMP waves would hit the satellite, probably frying any hardening it had (if any)... And since each one would fire while the other was half-way to target, one countermeasure had to be wasted on each one, since none were close enough together. And no anti-missile equipment or anti-satellite equipment could be used, due to the fact it wasn't launched from anywhere near Belem and actually came over Buechoria from the south (Belem is on the north end... if not, the satellite came over the opposite end).

Belem's continuous eye on Buechoria should effectively be gone...

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The order worked its way down in the chain of command until it reached the platoon and company commanders leading the men that were fighting in this war...

A furious battle still raged... SIV-21 medevac units quickly worked through-out the battlefield, picking up the ARSB dead and wounded, avoiding enemy fire... After that gruesome task was finished... Engineering companies laid nearly 1200 land mines in total as the ENTIRE Soviet Bloc force began a massive retreat... Completely pulling out of Belem-held territory... Logistical equipment and artillery had already evacuated a half-hour before and were already near the fall-back line. Attack helicopter-escorted cargo and personnel helicopters began evacuating soldiers.

As soon as the retreating units were a mile from the confused Belem forces, 800 artillery platforms opened up in a half-hour long continuous barrage. The munitions fired were the shells that split into grenades as well as high-explosive, and incendiary. Some of the shells were guided towards targets with small fins.

As soon as the last elements of the ARSB force finished combat on the eastern front, they pulled back to the fall-back line... This was after the artillery strike.

It would take the units nearly two days to reach the fall-back lines. Twenty miles was a long way to go in a war.

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Transmission from Premier Boris Chlevenkov, ARSB to Emperor of Belem...

"Comrade, the ARSB calls for a cease-fire and halt of advances to discuss the possibility of a peaceful agreement to end this conflict...

We also ask, what the hell is your motivation for doing this to Buechoria? I believe they've already learned their lesson and if you continue this advance it can only mean your intentions are imperialist with the intent of conquering and enslaving this nation's people. That behavior cannot be allowed.

By now, ARSB forces have withdrawn from the battlefield... Mainly because the scent of your soldiers' urine, as they pissed in their pants at the sight of ARSB troops, was too overpowering... No, I'm just kidding, its an act of good will.

I now ask you to halt your advance and consider a peaceful agreement... Enough damage has been inflicted on both of our sides and I can only hope you're smart enough to realize the implications this war can bring..."
Roach-Busters
21-07-2004, 04:34
Jeez, this war is STILL going on? It feels like it was years ago that it started!
Belem
21-07-2004, 06:18
OOC: ok

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Planes continue high orbitting over the area continuing monitoring.

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OOC: javelins are supersonic on high attack mode(150 miles or greater distance for air launched version) they can achieve mach 4 on descent. I should of restated that in the post cause I havent really used any for about 5 pages.

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Geo Sync sat gets knocked out of the sky. Satelite recon is switched to extremely high flying and supersonic air recon(ooc: think Aurora spy plane)


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Forces begin a small pullback of about 3 miles once the artillery bombing commences.

The ground troops begin digging in and building a small defensive line. Once the artillery bombardment ends engineers are brought to the site of the battle to remove all salveagable equipment and to collect unlaunched SB missiles to crack the launch system so they know what radar bands to scramble.

The rest of the engineering corp begins laying mines in front of the line of advance. The mines are a mix of standard Anti Personal, bouncing mines(ooc: they shoot up about 5 feet in the air before exploding), Anti Tank mines and also wooden shoebox mines. The final mines installed are 1 yard and 3 yard napalm strip mines designed to set up killzones.

To the west and east of the base and defensive artillery guns distrubute anti personal and anti tank mines. about 60 guns at each location are going to fire approx 5 volleys apiece. (ooc: for each shot about 70 anti personall mines will be distrubuted over about 50 yards. for the AT version only about 5 mines can be distrubted over the area. 25% of the rounds fired are AT)


ooc: basically on the napalm strip one yard version theres 3 depression plates and 2 napalm strips when a soldier steps on a depression plate it triggers a chain reaction igniting the napalm which in turns sets off the next trigger igniting the next strip of napalm. on the 3 yard long strip theres 9 pressure zones and 6 napalm strips. They are put in the ground at 45 degree angles so the flames shoot towards the groups and arranged in semi circles to get troops caught in circles of fires.

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Transmission to SB: Perhaps it is possible to come to terms. We should have a temporary cease fire to discuss terms.

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The supplies continue to be flown into the basecamp during the day with the arrival of the two airborne divisions and other troop reinforcements. Equipment is brought in to build a large radar array and look down radar to detect any enemy craft on the deck.

More supply and transport planes take off headed for the basecamp loaded with extra troops to replace the losses in Buechoria. As plans are drawn up by brass for new combat operations if cease fire talks end abruptly.

The fleet begins massive underway repairs to get to maximum combat efficiency. With the most damaged ships(number equal to a full fleet) preparing to be set sail towards a friendly dock once the 5th arrives.

Secret: Special shipments of more gas are sent to the basecamp. Instead of traditional poison gas the new batch was a highly corrosive acidic mix. Capable of burning through the body armor of a person and damaging exposed systems on tanks and vehciles it also would probably decrease its armor protection somewhat. Of course it had to be fired at long range since it would have the same effect on the combat suits of Belem's infantry if they became exposed to the gas.
Soviet Bloc
21-07-2004, 06:50
OOC- Seems alot like WWI tactics now...

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Periodic passes of satellites in orbits that bring them over the nation every couple of hours spot the Belem force digging in with supplies being brought in...

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As the forces were retreating, mines were left all over... Most were anti-tank heavy explosive mines with a layer of shrapnel on top. Anti-personnel mines, including shrapnel mines, explosive/wounding (blowing a leg off) mines, Claymore-type mines, and chain mines (a long strip of explosives that spanned nearly 50 feet).

Also, an entire engineering company (that had been there before the retreat), had dug a 15 feet wide and twenty feet deep trench nearly three miles long (not one massive trench but about six or eight smaller ones). The trench bottoms were layered with heavy anti-tank mines and covered with a thin layer of white plastic. Snow was then placed ontop of it, making them completely invisible.

By the end of the day, most of the forces were behind the fall-back lines except the recon battalions which were still out and about. A combined force of 1600 artillery pieces from the 56th AID, 15th ACR, 98th AAD, 5th MD, and 4th MD were positioned near the fall-out line in the event Belem continued the advance. They were covered with camo netting and natural foliage to fool spy-plane overflights. All ammunition trucks and logistical supplies to the artillery pieces drove in a circular pattern to a 'fake' artillery battery two miles away and then circled back, stopping momentarily at the 'small infantry camp' (actual artillery position).

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The rest of the armored corps arrives in Buechoria and begins the long trek to the fall-back position. The 5th Marine Division and its 25000 men (its artillery and tanks are already at the fall-back position) will arrive before the end of the day. The eigth marine division is en route. These forces are to garrison and replenish the current battle-weary forces in the event Belem continues the advance.

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Transmission to Belem...

"I agree. A cease fire is in order. As for terms... We will allow you the 'first round'."
Belem
21-07-2004, 07:23
Troops continue to prepare in Belem to be shipped out by Pelican ultra heavy transport, other conventional air transports and even a few passenger liners. The ideal outcome is that all divisions in Buechoria will be at relatively full strenght within 1 to 2 weeks.

2 Motorized divisions are called up and prepare to be flown out within 2 weeks if neccesary.

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Terms of Peace:

1. Cessation of all hostilities between forces operating in the area.

2. Belem is allowed to establish a permamnent base within Buechoria(current position of basecamp is fine) for the sum of 99 years where an extension of leasing can then be arranged

3. The Buechorian officials responsible for the illegal attacks and infiltrations of Sino be turned over to a Belem/Sino court for trial.

4.Exchange of all P.O.W.S taken by both sides.

5. Non Agression Pact between The Holy Imperial Empire and Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc for the sum of 10 years.
Soviet Bloc
21-07-2004, 07:31
The ARSB so far agrees with these terms, except the long-term base proposal... The ARSB would rather not see a Belem base on Buechoria proper but, if it is a must, possibly an island-based base...

Of course, in the end it is the Buechorian government's final decision.
Soviet Bloc
21-07-2004, 07:35
We must add one more term to the list...

6. Exchange of technical data acquired by both sides.

This would be enforced, most likely, by a neutral Buechorian group...
Belem
21-07-2004, 07:36
It is of course perfectly acceptable that the ARSB agree to one treaty specifically directed towards the conflict between the Empire and the ARSB. So that Belem can then negiotate a seperate treaty with Buechoria.
Belem
21-07-2004, 07:37
What is your definition of technical data.
Soviet Bloc
21-07-2004, 07:42
Technical data- Actual physical hardware and intelligence gathered from hardware seen or touched by that force's personnel.

Observed data is fine.
Belem
21-07-2004, 07:44
That is acceptable.
Langvioa
21-07-2004, 19:01
Response to the peace treaty terms:
As a province in the Confederation of Buechorian Provinces, it is our oppinion that the peace terms are exceptable. But, unfortunatly, the capital province of Inner Buechoria would probobly not agree to some of the terms. These are the reasons that we belive that this would happen-
A. Since the Buechorian Provinces are a confederation, these terms would have to pass with pass not only with the main government, but also with the government of the state that you would wish to establish your base in. It is also possible that this state would be uninvolved with the conflict. It would, in our oppinion, not be possible to establish a military base in the capital province of Inner Buechoria, the province under the control of the National Government.
B. Since the order to invade Sino came from very high up in the government, this would mean that Buchoria would have to give up, according to our intelligence reports, many very high public figures in its government, including it's head of government, Prime Minister Helms. I do not belive that they would accept this term
OOC: I know what Buechoria looks like, and it would be rateher difficult to decide where the base would be put.
Trailers
21-07-2004, 19:44
Traileric Communicae to Belem:

You are apparently invlolved in conflict,comrades,do you require assistance?
Belem
21-07-2004, 19:48
Traileric Communicae to Belem:

You are apparently invlolved in conflict,comrades,do you require assistance?

Communique to Trailers: We are technically in a cease fire as of know but if talks break down we could use assistance.
Belem
21-07-2004, 19:49
Response to the peace treaty terms:
As a province in the Confederation of Buechorian Provinces, it is our oppinion that the peace terms are exceptable. But, unfortunatly, the capital province of Inner Buechoria would probobly not agree to some of the terms. These are the reasons that we belive that this would happen-
A. Since the Buechorian Provinces are a confederation, these terms would have to pass with pass not only with the main government, but also with the government of the state that you would wish to establish your base in. It is also possible that this state would be uninvolved with the conflict. It would, in our oppinion, not be possible to establish a military base in the capital province of Inner Buechoria, the province under the control of the National Government.
B. Since the order to invade Sino came from very high up in the government, this would mean that Buchoria would have to give up, according to our intelligence reports, many very high public figures in its government, including it's head of government, Prime Minister Helms. I do not belive that they would accept this term
OOC: I know what Buechoria looks like, and it would be rateher difficult to decide where the base would be put.

Well Langvioa can sign the accord to remove itself from the war and for the terms that does not directly apply to your nation means you will not interfere in there establishment later on with a Buechorian peace.
Belem
21-07-2004, 21:42
bumpers
Buechoria
22-07-2004, 00:21
Prime Minister Helms read over the list of negotiations. He nodded several times, then he came upont he part about the base. "WHAT!? 99 YEARS!? LARSON!" Michael Larson, the Prime Ministers aid ran into the room and began to speak. 'Yes sir, you called for m-" He was cutoff mid sentance by Helms "Get me all the leaders involved in this conflict, and have them meet here in the conference hall." Larson nodded frantically, then ran off to contact the leaders..

OOC: This means:

Sino, Myself, ARSB, Langvioa, Belem's and Kazahkstania's leader must come to discuss these terms more rationally.
Soviet Bloc
22-07-2004, 00:42
The ARSB agrees to the meeting of the national leaders...

Also, the ARSB will not stand for a Belem base in Buechoria... Unless, an ARSB base is allowed in Buechoria as well to act as a deterrent.
Belem
22-07-2004, 05:18
Belem will send a representative of the government/military to the meeting.
Sino
22-07-2004, 05:30
Sino plans to send a reprsentative to this meeting. Sino would like a fair and just sum to be paid as reparation for the trespass of its territory.
USA2
22-07-2004, 05:45
if u want you can meet in my country
its got the best defenses the navy can provide
if anyone attempts to attack or show hostilities on the lands of USA2 ill crush you
Soviet Bloc
22-07-2004, 05:48
The ARSB will send its deputy minister of foreign affairs, Mikhail Gorovich, and Deputy Minister of Defense Josef Zlatoslav. The two should be arriving into Buechoria within the hour aboard civilian aircraft. The aircraft will land at the main ARSB air base in the country where military cargo helicopters will take them to the Buechorian capital.


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Meanwhile, at Camp Hektorov, rural Buechoria... (AKA- fall back position)

Music blares across loud-speakers into the camp, good old tunes and new music from back home... Currently playing was Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire... An old yet intensely popular song in the ARSB.

Look at all the hate there is in Red China, then take a look around to Selma, Alabama... You may leave here for four days in space, but when you return its the same old place. The poundin' of the drums, the pride and disgrace, you can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace. Eat your next door neighbors, but don't forget to say grace... And you tell me... Over and over again, my friend... Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction...



A good portion of the forces remain on constant alert, however, the other portion is relaxing as much as they can... Poker, blackjack, and gin rummy tournaments have begun through-out the base as many soldiers ignore the advisories against such behavior.

Also across the base, maintenance crews begin repairing helicopters and other vehicles... A vast amount of ground vehicles were damaged in the conflict... From T-05As suffering twisted frames to SIV-21s with ruined axles and transmissions, damage was intense to the ARSB vehicles... But, testamount to the amount of engineering that went into them, they weren't destroyed and managed to limp, crawl, and roll back the fall-out point...

Maintenance crews were also cleaning up after a heavily damaged DP-02A had to crash-land at the base's extensive helicopter landing area, plowing through four parked SAH-17s and two HVC-03s. The DP-02A had lost an engine as well as a chunk of its air intakes. One SAH-17 and both HVC-03s were destroyed in the crash-landing.

However, most of the men were enjoying their time with a cautious sense, many kept their assault rifles close by... Nearly half of them refused to get out of their VEPR suits, many a time, the only thing that kept them alive, especially in the chemical attacks.

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A couple of M-08 reconiassance vehicles were still in the positions they had been through-out the battle... One of them could see the Belem base from its position, of course it had to have its 3m mast up in order to.

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Belem prisoners were being held at the logistical position on the southern end of Buechoria... Two of them had been subjected to sensory deprivation methods and one was still in a state of reality withdrawal. Neither knew anything, mainly because all of those captured were just field soldiers...
Sino
22-07-2004, 06:31
if u want you can meet in my country
its got the best defenses the navy can provide
if anyone attempts to attack or show hostilities on the lands of USA2 ill crush you

Sounds good.
Belem
22-07-2004, 06:58
OOC: damn forum logged me out after i typed up a post that got lost. ugh ill just summarize it now.


High Inquisitor Follini of the office of external security will be attending the meeting.

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Troops continue construction of fortifications and new troops and supplies are sorted and organized at the base camp. Coverings are put over the trenches to conceal troop movements

Semi Secret IC: 4 covered trucks enter the trenches and headed to the covered region of the trench. (secret part) the trucks contain a downsized version of Hotshot. It is very underpowered compared to the shipborn version and useless against missiles and armor but its true purpose is to blind enemy troops permenately in ideal conditions and temporarily in less then ideal.

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Secret IC: In a bunker at basecamp the equipment and missiles collected from ARBS weapons and tanks is being put in two groups the to be returned group(as per peace treaty) and the to be sent to Belem for anaysis group. The groups are broken up into 75% and 25% respectively as not to arouse suspicion of why only unusable equipment was returned.

Engineers begin cracking ARSB missiles to determine which radar frequencies they operate off of how often they rotate and the speed of rotation in order to adapt jammers.
Buechoria
22-07-2004, 18:24
OOC: The Metitng will take place in Buechoria, we already have everything set up anyway

IC: Chefs frantically cooked gourmet meals, making sure they were just right, perfection. The Honor Guard practiced intensely, going over their weapon and sword movements hundreds of times (They're the opening "act").

The conferance hall was huge. It was basically an auditorium with a podium on the stage. The podium was marked with the Buechorian seal, a gold wreath behind a Blue 5 point star. The auditorium desks were representatives sat were polished, then the granite structure was cleaned. Everything gleamed and sparkled in preperation for Buechoria's biggest diplomatic move ever...
Langvioa
22-07-2004, 20:31
Telegram to all nations involved with the conflict-
Langvioa agrees with all terms that have been put up in the peace accord, and will attend the meeting.
Fleet Admiral Jack Turner will represent our nation at the meeting
Soviet Bloc
23-07-2004, 02:10
One more thing...

Hirgizstan must attend this 'meeting'. He has stated his intentions to send two representatives, his foreign minister and the commander of Hirgizstan's military forces in Buechoria, Gen. Franklin Roberts.

The Hirgizstanian representatives will arrive at the convention hall aboard ARSB HVC-03 helicopters just behind the ARSB representatives.
USA2
23-07-2004, 03:34
OOC: The Metitng will take place in Buechoria, we already have everything set up anyway

IC: Chefs frantically cooked gourmet meals, making sure they were just right, perfection. The Honor Guard practiced intensely, going over their weapon and sword movements hundreds of times (They're the opening "act").

The conferance hall was huge. It was basically an auditorium with a podium on the stage. The podium was marked with the Buechorian seal, a gold wreath behind a Blue 5 point star. The auditorium desks were representatives sat were polished, then the granite structure was cleaned. Everything gleamed and sparkled in preperation for Buechoria's biggest diplomatic move ever...

if you want ill have some ships help to guard your coast (not that you need it, just as extra).
Sino
23-07-2004, 05:52
The ARSCF has selected Rear Admiral Lee of the ARSN to represent us in the conference.

http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/uniforms/content/image/lf-5.jpg
Langvioa
23-07-2004, 16:37
Message to Buechoria:
We would like to help with the security of the meeting. We have 500 elite counter-terrorism operatives that are without a mission at the present moment and would be more than happy to defend our national capital.
Belem
23-07-2004, 20:45
bump
Buechoria
23-07-2004, 22:32
Message to langvioa:

The operatives would be gladly accepted.
Belem
24-07-2004, 08:07
OOC: hey guys since we are all on different time schedules can we skip the arrival posts so we can get right down to business.
Langvioa
24-07-2004, 13:24
OOC: But, but, but, but... yeah, ok, I can agree to that, or if the next time someone gets on they do their arrival post. Also, would somebody do an agenda for this meeting. This would mean an order of posts. I.E. Starting with seniority on one side of the conflict. Example (Buechorian Side) ARSB, (maybe Hirgizstan), Buechoria, me. If you want, I could come up with the agenda, but would rather not.
OOC2: What the heck is the name of the Buchoian Captital
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IC: The helicopters carrying the CT operatives were there and gone in 7 minutes. All 500 men broke up into sectors- 1,2,3,4,5, of 100 men each, and then into teams- 25 men each. (OOC: The teams had names like Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, all the way to Tango. The people in that team mere mad- Tango Team?) All the teams with the exceptions of Alfa (The HQ) Delta (The Elite Team) and Juliet (Medical Team) were put under the Buechorian command for placement.
Belem
25-07-2004, 00:21
OOC: well the only agenda is negioating the peace terms which have largely been accepted already except by buechoria.
Belem
25-07-2004, 01:17
bump
Soviet Bloc
25-07-2004, 01:21
OOC- Doesn't matter to me... I'm just waiting for Buechoria to start us all off (since I'm assuming he'll 'host' these talks).
Belem
25-07-2004, 07:05
bump for the night
Buechoria
25-07-2004, 17:47
OOC: Should I presume you're all here?
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IC: After the honor guard preformed with marching music and a display of ceremonial weaponry, the food was served. The bus boys came, cleaned he table and the Buechorian national anthem played as Prime Minister C. Helms walked up to the podium, ready to begin his speech...
Belem
25-07-2004, 21:53
OOC: yeah we are all there.
Belem
26-07-2004, 06:08
bumpers
Hirgizstan
26-07-2004, 16:58
I'll bump with an OOC Msg.

I'm back now and i can post on the forums again so i am retaking control of my RPing, but it doesn't look like there is much left. Thanks to ARSB for looking after my forces.
Kazakhstania
27-07-2004, 20:11
OOC:

Ok heres the lowdown. My troops landed mostly AROUND the airfield, but some poor 7,000 landed on it...poor guys. Toasted.

So yes, maybe perimeter. You havent really leaft any forces at the airfield, so lets mutually agree I have a perimeter of around 120,000 men but with no reinforcements until the fires die down, which hinders me more than the loss of my troops. It means I cant bring in heavier armor :(

Anyway, is there anywhere I can bring 1st army of around 1,000,000 or so men into the picture? Like where Belem is for example. I could bring em in now id its possible, but I dont want to RP until I know whats happening.
Belem
27-07-2004, 21:08
OOC:

Ok heres the lowdown. My troops landed mostly AROUND the airfield, but some poor 7,000 landed on it...poor guys. Toasted.

So yes, maybe perimeter. You havent really leaft any forces at the airfield, so lets mutually agree I have a perimeter of around 120,000 men but with no reinforcements until the fires die down, which hinders me more than the loss of my troops. It means I cant bring in heavier armor :(

Anyway, is there anywhere I can bring 1st army of around 1,000,000 or so men into the picture? Like where Belem is for example. I could bring em in now id its possible, but I dont want to RP until I know whats happening.

OOC: yeah you can land the troops at the airport in the northern region or land them via the temporary docks there. The front is by estimates 60-100 miles south, with a 23 mile no mans land between.
Soviet Bloc
28-07-2004, 05:49
The ARSB voices its concerns over this recent massive troop movement, nearly one million soldiers landing in Buechoria. The logistics for such a movement would be massive and require months of preparation.

Otherwise, if peace is truly desired, Kazakhstania, Belem, the troop movements must stop. You are sending the wrong message by adding more troops.

We have stopped off-loading more troops in the nation after the III Armored Corps and its infantry detachments to show you we intend to reach a peaceful solution. We sincerely hope you do the same.
Belem
28-07-2004, 08:56
ooc: technically Kazhak hasnt landed any additional troops yet. also a complimentary bump.
Belem
28-07-2004, 20:02
bump for buechoria.
Hirgizstan
28-07-2004, 22:30
I also wish to press for the ending of ALL troop movements and for an armistice to be agreed to, which will bring all military operations in the area to a close, especially during this peace conference.

(OOC: 1 Million troops, i am sure you have it, BUT...its implausible to move/land such a force anywhere, never mind in a combat operation, the logistics are simply mind-boggling. That sort of RPing is the reason a number of older nations have labelled this RP as a complete and laughable God-MOD and i would be inclined to do so if i was not involved.)
Belem
29-07-2004, 00:00
OOC: firdt off he hasn't shipped the troops yet. And thats whats hes preparing to be sent. ICly he could be sending them in small detatchments at a time and building up to that total number. It would make sense considering hes preparing for a long slugfest he would want to get as many troops in thearte and prepare for the influx of more.


IC: The only troops movements in Buechoria are supply convoys and replacement parts being delivered to positions already established.
Sino
29-07-2004, 02:16
Sino's delegate, Rear Admiral Lee saw the ceremony with few interests. He was here to do his duty, not to make friends. Sino has many enemies in peace.
Buechoria
29-07-2004, 03:15
OOC: OKAY, sorry guys, had a clan match in America's Army. Lets go..

IC:

Prime Minister Charles Helms walked towards the podium. The 100 Honor guard, in their clean red and gold uniforms all saluted simotaneously as Helms walked by. Once at the podium, the honor guard was at ease.

"Enemies and friends, I have called us together to delgate peace. First off, I would like to apologize at this time, to Sino. It was wrong for me to land a small recon force. But that was the only way to voice the opinion of the Buechorian people."

Helms shuffled his papers and continued.

"I would only like to say that I hope we can make peace. This conflict has been a orrible one, ruslting int eh loss of thousands of troops on all sides," Helms began to speka to himself "and thousands of my civlians, thank you very much Belem..."

"At this time, I welcome you to voice your opinions and comments.."
Belem
29-07-2004, 04:50
"Can we do without your snide comments. Our offer is very resonable, and will ofer a quick end to the war."
Belem
29-07-2004, 07:01
bump for the night.
Buechoria
29-07-2004, 18:27
"Your offer seems reasonable. Except for a Belem military base in our territory! 99 years is insane! I will be dead and by then future leaders will have no idea why it's there. I want this war to end and be forgotten, not remember by generations after these years!"
Hirgizstan
29-07-2004, 18:52
Belem, lets put it this way.

If you had just gone through a war that tore up your homeland and you were on a side that was being pressed to succumb to unjust proposals that would in-effect ruin your nation and leave yourself open to war and other such terrors then i would say you would reject those proposals.

The idea of peace is to be reasonable. Remember what happend when the Allies forced the Reparations of The Treaty of Versailles on Germany in 1919?
Yes, i'm sure you do, peace is about serving a mutual purpose, to stop killing on both sides through agreement.

Your proposal for a base for such a length of time in such a place is completely unwarranted. A base in the vicinity is, however, i would say mildly acceptable for a shortened length of time. A base would certainly ensure you to keep an eye on the region for a period of time to ensure a lasting peace, but for this reason only, and the bulk of forces at the base should be Belem, with a minimum of Sino other troops present.

I suggest that any base be built offshore, be kept to a smaller size, and would only be occupied for a shorter period of 10-20 years.
Belem
29-07-2004, 20:06
"Your offer seems reasonable. Except for a Belem military base in our territory! 99 years is insane! I will be dead and by then future leaders will have no idea why it's there. I want this war to end and be forgotten, not remember by generations after these years!"

"I am authorized to lower that time till, 50-75 years."
Belem
30-07-2004, 09:07
The time of 10-20 years as hirgistan suggested is completely unfeasible economically. The cost for construction and operation only makes the plan feasible for a period of atleast 50 years or over. Any shorter time most of the time spent with the base would be construction of the facillities and little actual use. Fifty years it the lowest the time could go by analysts reports.
Hirgizstan
30-07-2004, 16:36
Ok, 50 years, you have your reasons but i think there still needs to be a compromise.

If you must stay for 50 years then ARSB forces must also have usage of the base to ensure that the peace is mutually binding and to ensure Buechorian internal interests.
Belem
30-07-2004, 17:51
Foreign assets arent allowed in Belem bases or territory. If they wish they could ask Buechoria to allow them to establish a base somewhere in the country.
Buechoria
30-07-2004, 20:26
The perfect place for these bases (If any at all are constructed) would be the Rejunes Island region south east of Buechoria.
Belem
30-07-2004, 22:40
That is fine any location is acceptable.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 02:34
OOC- Sorry, I was fishing since tuesday. Now I'm back.

Off to business...

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The ARSB delegation agrees with the smaller life-time of the Belem base. We must also ask that the ARSB establish two (2) bases in Buechoria. One base will be positioned on an island near the Belem base (within 40 miles, if possible; assuming their base will be on an island). The second base will be positioned on the Buechorian mainland.

Both bases will have army, air force, and naval assets stationed at them. The ARSB must also insure that a minimum of two Buechorian bases be capable of supporting ARSB armor, infantry, aircraft, and naval vessels in the event of another war and be able to support them as soon as they arrive.

If required, ARSB soldiers and equipment can assist and train the Buechorian military (if they need training).

Also, we ask that no nuclear, biological, or chemical warheads or delivery systems be stationed at this base. To support this, the Belem base officials will be required to hand over shipping/procurement documents or submit to random checks by Buechorian officials or some neutral organization's officials.

I also believe that a cap should be placed on the amount of units to be stationed at the Belem base.
Sino
31-07-2004, 02:43
The Sinoese delegates only demanded a few things. The cessation of a state of war with Sino and Beuchorian reparations ($80B) to be paid in the next two decades as well as a formal apology for the violation of Sinoese territory.

Rear Admiral Lee only reflects the words of his superiors.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 02:52
One more thing, the ARSB demands that Belem pay Buechoria reperations for their attacks on Buechorian civilians and to pay for clean up of the nuclear-tipped cruise missiles fired into Buechoria. This also applies to the Belem attacks on ARSB civilians in the port city of Ytterovsk where 800 civilians were killed and nearly $4 billion USD of damage was wrought (destroying nearly fourteen 50+ story buildings as well as dozens of smaller buildings). The ARSB demands Belem pay $5 Billion USD for reparations of damage and as a consolation to the families of those killed.


The ARSB will dispatch engineers, technicians, and NBC specialists to assist in any clean-up efforts. The ARSB will take it upon itself to remove all radiation-tainted earth from the sites of the neutron bomb attacks and restore the area.
Belem
31-07-2004, 02:57
Belem has long standing policies not to pay reperations that were encoured during wartime because they were importan to war operations and overall strategy. Also it is Belem policy to have nuclear weapons aboard ships. And since this facility would be used by fleet assets there could be no ban on NBC gear nor will we allow inspectors to see our facilities.


OOC: fishing is great. what did you catch or attempt to catch?
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 03:11
OOC- Walleye. Mmm... Yeah, I limited out all three days with 14 to 24 inchers. A nice haul. Man, I love fishing, hunting, outdoors, the works. Anyways.

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Important to war operations? An attack on innocent civilians? How is that important to war operations? An attack on military targets is important to war operations, an attack on innocent civilians and their homes is NOT!

The attack on our city served no purpose except to kill or scare our civilians. The only military units hit were municipal guard security and an army detachment on break in the city's bars and lounges.

As for NBC weapons, we mean land-based or permanent facilities to support them. As for inspections, we demand that some sort of inspection is allowed. Otherwise, Belem must allow an ARSB satellite or satellites to cross directly over (or whatever) to act as our inspection device. Paths would be random and from different satellites.
Belem
31-07-2004, 03:20
OOC: nice.

IC: Attacks on infrastructure are neccesary to dismantle the war effort.

Insertions of land based ICBMs is not feasible for an off Belem base in that position of launchers in the base makes the base itself a liability for nuclear attacks. Though we can't control the paths of satelites we will not allow any inspectors entering the base or searching Logistic documents.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 03:42
Infrastructure? You call the senseless and random attacks into cities attacks on infrastucture? There is no excuse for the random firing of cruise missiles into a Buechorian city. Cruise missiles are fairly accurate systems and they should hit where they are aimed. There are some exemptions, but when every missile fired hits a civilian, non-infrastructure target, that is no missile failure. Those were fired into cities on purpose.

In the attack on Ytterovsk, not one infrastructure target was hit. Unless you consider bars, lounges, and hotels as major infrastructure, which they are not. Most of the buildings hit were high-rise apartments and sky scrapers housing corporation headquarters, offices, and more apartments.
Belem
31-07-2004, 03:59
Infrastructure is a broad term. People can be defined as being part of the infrastructure. Since they produce goods for the war effort. Destruction of property slows down transportation and denies the forces on the ground supplies that had to be redirected to clean up and defense of the mainland. Corporate headquarters can easilly be considered part of the infrastructure network in that the corporations will convert there factories to produce weapons. The destruction of Corporate HQs delays this process as the organization structure is rebuilt.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 04:22
Yes, infrastructure is a broad term, but you do not need to take out the civilian end of it. Take out the actual production facilities where the most damage will be dealt. Corporations have multiple main offices so even if the headquarters office is taken out, the corporation can still function normally, especially in war time where it can be dictated by the government or the military.

But, how did the attack on Ytterovsk halt our war effort? Hmm? How did it halt the transportation of goods in support of the war effort? All you did was ruin the lives of hundreds of families, even wiping out entire families. Your attacks were successful in destroying eight corporate headquarters: Ytterovsk Mutual Insurance Co., Western School Supply, Coastal Construction Co., Ytterovsk Whole Foods Distributor, Restikov Insurance Corp., Romanov Financial Group, Golden Life Mutual Insurance, and WA Electronics Co. None of these companies had anything to do with the military and most of them served civilian causes.

Otherwise, numerous other companies lost substantial amounts of their workforce and assets in the attack, which decimated a 56 story building devoted to financial companies (insurance and financial groups).

If you had been targetting actual infrastructure that supported the war effort or mainland defense, you would've targetted the industry to halt production immediately, then strikes could take out the headquarters, instead, you effectively destroyed the insurance and financial assets of thousands of ARSB civilians.

All we ask is simple reparations for the damage caused by your attack on civilian targets.
Belem
31-07-2004, 04:37
Demoralization of the enemy is viable asset in times of war and considering the reports of the protests in cities it seems to succeeded. The attacks also took out the electricity in the city which prevents transportation of goods considering it was a port city.The destruction of financial districts makes people lose faith in there economy which then harms the homefront.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 04:52
I suppose. But you demoralize the people by defeating its military, not demoralizing them by killing the citizens themselves. This only makes the military fight harder (not in all cases).

Protests began because civilians believed the ARSB government wasn't doing enough to protect them. Protests died down after military units moved in to pacify and secure the region, adding air defense and anti-missile batteries. We will admit we were ill-prepared for an attack on our own soil as we believed we were sufficiently far enough away. Otherwise, the protests were localized.

It was a port city but not a major one and mainly shipped electronics and other consumer goods to foreign nations.

As for the desctruction of financial assets. The attack was too localized to affect much besides the district Ytterovsk lies in. Most of those corporations were local.

Otherwise, simple reparations are asked. We would've paid reparations to Belem had we attacked any civilian targets but we deemed it unnecessary.
Belem
31-07-2004, 04:55
Well it is long standing Belem policy not to pay for any war damages.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 05:12
Yes, a long-standing policy that won't increase the chances your nation will be forgiven for what it has done. Reparations won't make you an instant hit with the people but it will decrease the chances that these people, who share an intense hatred of Belem and its policies for killing their families, taking revenge.

Otherwise, all the policy is doing is ensuring that those people hate/dislike your nation. Those feelings may spread and may influence some government officials. This would be especially evident in Buechoria. And if government officials are influenced, you may have a problem on your hands including economic warfare, psychological warfare, and even actual combat. None of which would be beneficial to your nation.

It would be in your best interests to pay reparations... If not to us, then to the Buechorian people who suffered even more.
Belem
31-07-2004, 05:28
No reperations shall be payed. If anyone should be paying it should be buechoria whos foolish actions started the war.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 05:48
His actions may have started it, but your actions brought it to this level and amount of destruction. You came to the 'defense of your ally' and invaded Buechoria, sparking this war. Sino could have easily wiped out Buechoria's forces and demanded a cease fire. Instead, Buechoria was invaded for it and her civilians killed by your cruise missiles. You owe it to these people to repay them for the mental torment and physical damage you caused them.

You could have chosen to mediate talks between Sino and Buechoria to discuss an end to this conflict. But you clearly stated your intentions the day you sent naval vessels towards Buechoria.

It was clear your intentions were imperialist and because of those intentions many people were killed. Those deaths and the same losses caused to your nation would have been prevented at the start if you had just chosen a different path.

The reparations are small and most nations in your situation would pay them for the sake of better relations and a quicker transition to peace.
Belem
31-07-2004, 06:03
Our only intentions were to remove the cause of the problem, hence the reason for the turn over of those responsible for the attacks. We have no need nor obligation to pay for damages.
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 06:26
Well, if you aimed to destroy the leadership, you didn't exactly have to invade. There's other ways of completing that mission.
Belem
31-07-2004, 06:36
Of course we could of sent in assasins and could of had staged coups but this way we get to trial the criminals.
Langvioa
31-07-2004, 16:00
Adm. Turner spoke quietly to Minister Helms
Isnt this supposed to be a peace conference, not a simple dialouge between only two countries?
Then he sent a written letter to the representitive to ARSB:
As a province within Buechoria, we would gladly give any segment of land near the Rejune islands to ARSB forces. We would also be willing to back up any military action within the Provinces.
Also, I dont mean to side with the opposing side in the conflict, but was Belem supposed to know exactly what the corporations in Yttverosk were supplying? And any port, no matter how small, could be used to supply naval ships
Belem
31-07-2004, 22:12
bump
Soviet Bloc
31-07-2004, 23:56
A reply was sent to the Langvioan delegate:

"We thank you for your support.

About your idea on the Belem strike on Ytterovsk, we have a simple rebuttal. Simple intelligence and monitoring would've shown that that city didn't handle any military shipping or supply shipping. Also, you'd think their intelligence gathering agencies would find targets of major importance that would do more damage than starting minor riots and killing innocent civilians and destroying civilian buildings. If they really sought to disable or hamper ARSB shipping or infrastucture, they should've gathered some intel, whether it be form satellite, aircraft, or actual spies, and target an actual position of importance to overseas ARSB operations. If Belem satellies had even passed over Ytterovsk once or twice, they would've noticed there was no military presence in the city, aside from some security details or vacationing soldiers. There is no sizable industry park in Ytterovsk as it relies on its shipping industry. There are only six factories in Ytterovsk, all six produce civilian goods from electronics to food packaging. If the port was used by the military, we'd have naval escorts as well as a continuous stream of military units and vehicles moving to and from the port. None of which was present in Ytterovsk as the city doesn't even support a military base.

Our intelligence services, after analyzing the remnants of the cruise missiles, and examining a flight control computer that somehow survived, have found out the missiles, or at least that missile, was aimed at the apartment building it struck. The only reason Ytterovsk was attacked was that its the farthest city away from the center of the ARSB, along the coast, a large city with tall buildings, fairly populated, and it was a target of oppurtunity to Belem. We believe that they could care less if it had any importance to the shipping industry or to the military, they were purposely targetting our civilians as evident in the examination of the flight control computer.

And remember, simple intelligence operations conducted by their services would've shown that Ytterovsk had nothing to do with the military."
Belem
01-08-2004, 04:32
bump
Kazakhstania
01-08-2004, 12:12
*At the Meeting (wherever that may be)*

A kazakhstanian military aide rushes through the building, holding a piece of papaer with the Kazakhstanian Presedential headers on it.

The barges the doors to the meeting and walks to the head of the table. He slams down the note, before leaving.

The note reads:

"Kazakhstanian troops refuse to stand down, and our troops will begin to be shipped in. We refuse peace, going on the fact that Beuchoria is by far in the wrong here by starting the war, and we will force him to end it. The world shall only be at peace when this anarchist is stopped.

That is all. Kazakhstania do not on any terms accept peace, and will continue to fight until proper peace is assumed.

We urge ARSB to join us in doing to right thing, and by overwhelming Beuchoria we will save many more lives than fighting against each other.

Do the right thing, as you have done all the years we have been allies. This is your final chance."

The note was signed by the President and his chiefs of staff. The military aide leaves the building, hails his driver and drives off.

OOC:

Sorry, didnt have much time to look through. There may be multiple mistakes such as building security, where it is and if there is even a table, but the message is the important bit.
Langvioa
01-08-2004, 15:17
OOC: Yeah, there was alot of building security, but since your courier was a military aide, chances are he would be allowed through, except if he had a side arm
OOC2: Well, I get your point, but I think that tghere are a few points in the note that need to be clarified
A: An anarchist is someone opposed to a government, why is Buechoria an anarchist?
B: Define "Proper Peace"
IC: Turner sends another note in reply:
Thank you for the clarification of the attack on Ytterovsk. I am sorry, as I was of one mindset at the time I wrote the note. We agree with all the points that you stated.
Hirgizstan
01-08-2004, 19:12
Kazakhstania, what do you hope to achieve by going to war again, you will almost certainly have a stalemate on your hands ( OOC:not to mention being called a God-modder by those who read this thread) just like it was before.

As well as that, you seemed dis-interested in this conflict until now, you were at a distance, until now. Why wait, what were you doing, a momentary bout of cowardice or something of the sort, or where you simply not interested, if so, why start now? A peace is close to being brokered, why ruin it, you will loose nothing and you will gain nothing, so why bother and why fight yourself into a stalemate?

I should say that we continue toward a peaceful agreement and that we check these 'warmongering' attitudes at the door. This is a civilised peace conference and business should be accorded as such.

-COH-
Soviet Bloc
01-08-2004, 19:36
The ARSB refuses to change its position. We will continue to support Buechoria in this matter. If Buechoria ever did anything wrong, they have learned their lesson with this unwarranted invasion of their sovereignty.

Kazakhstania, we urge you to stand down. If it comes to it, we will not hesitate to engage your forces if they so much as advance a few feet from their positions. An act such as that will be considered a flagrant upheaval of this peace conference and its hearings and be viewed as a renewal of the state of war existing between Kazakhstania and Buechoria, as well as Buechoria's allies.

We agree with Hirgizstan's opinion on this, what will you gain from this, Kazakhstania? The only thing you will gain from this is a list of casualties. That is the only thing all of us will gain, more casualties.

The ARSB urges Kazakhstania to reconsider its actions.
Belem
02-08-2004, 20:11
bump
Buechoria
03-08-2004, 03:19
OOC: Yeesh, I've been everywhere. Sorry guys, I'm back.

IC: Helms jumped to his feet and began yelling at the Sino representitive. "We pay reperations!? They are for destruction of buildings. We destroyed none of your building.. What's this?" Larson, Helms' aide handed him a copy of the paper given to him by Kazakhsatania. After laughing uncontrollably, Helms spoke "They can attack, all they want, but Sino, you will take the blame! Call them back before we start this inane and stupid war again..."
Belem
03-08-2004, 03:26
Will buechoria agree to the peace treaty or not?
Sino
03-08-2004, 05:44
OOC: Bah! I'm sick of this. I've got bigger fish to fry, which are even closer to my borders.
Hirgizstan
03-08-2004, 17:27
I certainly agree to the treaty if i am allowed to have limited usage of ARSB bases stated in the peace terms. I would say that Buechoria will agree to the terms if we can distance ourselves from Kazakhstania's recent post.
Buechoria
04-08-2004, 04:51
Prime Minister Helms, at the table in the center of the auditorium, took the peace treaty, signed it and thenwalked out, to begin the long journey back to his house. Once home, he let out a sigh of relief. Sitting in his favorite easy chair, he mumbled to himself "Thank god this thing is over..."
Belem
04-08-2004, 05:09
"Excellent I believe everything is in order then. Buechoria can begin apprehending those responsible for the actions against Sino to be trialed as per the treaty says. We expect them to be handed over within the week."

Terms of Peace:

1. Cessation of all hostilities between forces operating in the area.

2. Belem is allowed to establish a permamnent base within Buechoria(current position of basecamp is fine) for the sum of 75 years where an extension of leasing can then be arranged

3. The Buechorian officials responsible for the illegal attacks and infiltrations of Sino be turned over to a Belem/Sino court for trial.

4.Exchange of all P.O.W.S taken by both sides.

5. Non Agression Pact between The Holy Imperial Empire and Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc for the sum of 10 years.

6. Exchange of technical data acquired by both sides.

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Soviet Bloc
04-08-2004, 05:19
The ARSB delegate speaks up... "Alright... Good enough. As soon as a position for the Belem base is chosen, the ARSB will construct a base within 40 miles of its location. Another main base will be built on the Buechorian mainland.

As for prisoners of war... The ARSB currently holds 132 Belem soldiers at our logistical base on the south end of Buechoria. We will transport them to a neutral ground to exchange them for Belem-held ARSB prisoners. Most of the Belem prisoners were taken when our forces surrounded a Belem attachment along the main front. A few were downed aircraft pilots picked up in the ocean or on land.

And finally, for the technical data exchange... Most of the technical data we have is from faulty missile warheads (flight computers included), tank wreckage, and a few operable vehicles. They can be sent along with the POWs or seperate to a different location."

The delegate pauses, trying to think of anything he had forgotten... "Ah, yes... What about the landmines we placed? ARSB forces will dismantle our mine fields, as you must do to yours. Booby traps must also be taken care of."
Belem
04-08-2004, 05:20
Forces in the front line trenches begin pulling back towards the base camp. Engineers and other Unconventional Warfare soldiers begin the removal of Belem Secret/Unconventional weapons from the battlefield such as the Napalm mines and the gas weapons.

4 of the 5 fleets off the coast set course for Belem bases only the most recent fleet to arrive stays on station off the coast.

Engineers in Basecamp begun the construction of permanment fortifications and construction on the airfield and docking facilities. Troops begin preparing to be airlifted back to Belem to bring the base down to operation conditions 50 thousand soldiers in the area until Buechoria hands over the officials and then 10 thousand once the hand over has been made.
Belem
04-08-2004, 05:26
The ARSB delegate speaks up... "Alright... Good enough. As soon as a position for the Belem base is chosen, the ARSB will construct a base within 40 miles of its location. Another main base will be built on the Buechorian mainland.

As for prisoners of war... The ARSB currently holds 132 Belem soldiers at our logistical base on the south end of Buechoria. We will transport them to a neutral ground to exchange them for Belem-held ARSB prisoners. Most of the Belem prisoners were taken when our forces surrounded a Belem attachment along the main front. A few were downed aircraft pilots picked up in the ocean or on land.

And finally, for the technical data exchange... Most of the technical data we have is from faulty missile warheads (flight computers included), tank wreckage, and a few operable vehicles. They can be sent along with the POWs or seperate to a different location."

The delegate pauses, trying to think of anything he had forgotten... "Ah, yes... What about the landmines we placed? ARSB forces will dismantle our mine fields, as you must do to yours. Booby traps must also be taken care of."

"ARSB P.O.W.s will be brought to your base via truck with the technical information. Mainly destroyed aircraft and tank parts. Langvioan P.O.W.s will follow within the week by aircraft as they were already relocated to bases in Belem. Our engineers will aslo destroy all known mine placements within the week."
Soviet Bloc
04-08-2004, 05:45
"Very well..."

============

ARSB forces remain at the fall-back point as that will be the ARSB's inland base which will be securely 'fastened' to a heavily guarded naval and air station some twenty miles away along a corridor with ARSB checkpoints to ensure a continuous supply of equipment and goods to the ARSB land base.

The logistical base at the southern end of Buechoria will remain as a home for the 11th Expeditionary Fleet, being relocated to Buechoria from its former national defense role. The 11th Exped. Fleet will support an entire Marine division and act as a quick response naval, air, and ground force in the event Belem continues an offensive.

The 15th Expeditionary Fleet will relocate to the naval base being constructed to support the ARSB main base. The 15th Exped. Fleet was formerly assigned to the naval station in the USSCR. The 17th Expeditionary Fleet (still being assembled) will be placed at the USSCR base (although, for now it is made up of a half-dozen vessels, a light carrier, some destroyers and frigates).

The forces already in Buechoria will remain aside from the 5th Marine Division and the 15th ACR which will return to the ARSB. In one years time, the 56th AID, 98th AAD, 4th Marine Division, and seperate regiments will return to the ARSB and be replaced by forces of similar strength. Aerial units will continuously cycle between ARSB domestic bases and the Buechorian theater of operations.

Currently, ARSB combat engineers and other support units are removing mines, booby traps, and wrecked ARSB equipment from the Buechorian landscape. Nuclear, biological,and chemical specialists have begun work on ridding the site of the Belem nuclear cruise missile strike of contaminated dirt.


==================

ARSB HVC-03 Transport Helicopters (a few modified for gunship roles) will deliver the prisoners and any air-transportable Belem equipment to the Belem base. ARSB TDC-80 trucks and MMPWV M-04 Vepr IIs will deliver the rest to the Belem position.
Belem
04-08-2004, 06:03
About 20 trucks, 5 tows and 10 flatbed tank transports escorted by a dozen humvees bring the ARSB P.O.W.s and captured technical data to the SB forward positioning base.
Buechoria
04-08-2004, 07:06
The remaining military and government officials signed the treaty and began discussing the topics with Belem and the ASRB. Everything was agreed upon and 12 Halo helicopters filled with Belem POWs will be delivered to the nuetral point. All that needs to be appointed is a time and place for the trial...
Belem
04-08-2004, 07:24
Trials for Buechorian officials will begin in 2 weeks(one week after hand over.) The trial will take place in Belem or Sino.
Langvioa
04-08-2004, 12:31
When Adm. Turner got back, he went directly to Minister of Defense James. Basiclly, the discusson went as such.
A. We didnt take any POWs
B. Belem is returning our sub crews
C. We didnt take any data

OOC. Also, Belem, you need to designate the restricted waters and airspace around your base
Belem
05-08-2004, 00:30
bump
Kazakhstania
05-08-2004, 23:44
OOC: I was on holiday, as clearly stated on General, and in my nation profile as my temporary motto.

I never godmodded, I think, I didnt really even get involved in the combat :(

Anyway....

IC:

NEWS HEADLINE:

The Kazakhstania National Journal

Date: 05 August 2004

"In a shock move today, the Kazakhstanian government agreed to all peace requests posted, and has agreed to pay limited amounts of compensation to Beuchoria for damage caused to its nation. The President stated his pain over the inconvenience for all nations, but still states his anger towads the lack of national suppoirt for an attack on Beuchoria, the original perpetrator.

Kazakhstania will gradually withdraw most of our troops from all nations and withdraw air forces from the area. The President announced plans to:

1) Set up an air base at the current Kazakhstanian Airfield in Beuchoria
2) Set up an Army Base in Sino to guard against further attacks
3) Sign a Beuchorian - Kazakhstanian Non Aggression Treaty
4) Strengthen relations between Kazakhstania and Soviet Bloc

They also wish to announce they hold no prisoners of war, but have several Beuchorian Troops bodies they wish to return for a proper funeral.

Kazakhstania has warned, however, that if all these are not agreed, more blood shall be spilt, and at least a "Cold War" will begin again.
Soviet Bloc
06-08-2004, 00:02
The ARSB is reasonably happy that Kazakhstania has chosen this route... However, we have one problem with your plans.


The Kazakhstanian base in Buechoria... We advise that Belem and Kazakhstania share a base or have their bases in close proximity, as a seperate Kazakhstanian base was never mentioned in the peace treaty signed by all parties. So, Buechoria has the option of denying you a base in his country.


Besides that, the ARSB applauds Kazakhstania for choosing a peaceful solution to the war. We also applaud Kazakhstania's effort to compensate Buechoria for damages, something Belem and Sino refuse to do.

And, on a final note, the ARSB would be willing to strengthen relations with Kazakhstania and would also be willing in warming relations with the other two nations involved, Belem and Sino, pending their decisions.
Kazakhstania
06-08-2004, 00:10
OOC: Well, I WAS going to launch a wopper attack from the air (biggest yet) on the unsuspecting Beuchorian troops and drive for a city, but I decided it would be best to call troops home.

I am actually getting ready to FINALLY invade a nation which attacked me ages ago, and has been away for quite some time :(

Anyone want to join?
Soviet Bloc
06-08-2004, 00:15
OOC- Possibly... I just realized that last post of mine was my 1000th.
Kazakhstania
06-08-2004, 00:19
OOC: I post way too much to notice :S

Well, Beuchorian and co when you arrive, please TG me with your thoughts, 'cos im off to bed. Night!
Belem
06-08-2004, 04:19
bump
Soviet Bloc
06-08-2004, 04:50
ARSB Ministry of Defense Official Announcement-

===============

The ARSB MoD has officially created a seperate military operations theater in Buechoria, now known as the Buechorian Theater of Operations. The BTO will have the following military forces under its command:

15th Expeditionary Fleet; Naval Station Makarov (East side of Buechoria, ocean link to Fort Primakov; Command fleet of Buechorion Theater [Newly fitted with the Jericho Fleet Air Defense System]


11th Expeditionary Fleet; Naval Station Kuroyedov (South end of Buechoria; logistical base); Supporting the 4th Marine Division. [Currently being fitted with Jericho FADS]

56th Airborne Infantry Division; Fort Primakov (North Central Buechoria) [To be replaced with 19th Infantry Division]

98th Airborne Armor Division; Fort Primakov (North Central Buechoria) [To be replaced with XI Armored Corps, now in Buechoria]

4th Marine Division; Naval Station Kuroyedov (South end of Buechoria; logistical base); Being supported by 11th Exped. Fleet.

Seperate artillery, air cavalry, and reconaissance battalions; Fort Primakov (North Central Buechoria) [To be replaced by several seperate artillery battalions]

689th Mechanized Infantry Regiment; Naval Station Kuroyedov; Base security

11th Air Force; Shaposhnikov Air Force Base (Near Kuroyedov naval station)
Kazakhstania
06-08-2004, 10:55
Kazakhstanian Central Command is for Now Leaving:

10 Airborne Task Group's - 34,000 Airborne Troops

560 Pathfinder Elite Troops

1,500 Mortars of Various Sizes
1,000 Bison Anti Aircraft Missiles
500 Volga ATGM's
500 AA-2 Anti Aircraft Missile Batteries
250 105mm Artillery Guns
125 155mm Artillery Guns

1st Air Division:

180 F/A-41 Fighter/Bombers
90 F-42 Fighters
90 A-16 CAS Fighters
45 Tu-160 Bombers

All this will be placed under one command at the airfield, and the rest of the troops WILL be pulled out.

The High Command is wondering if you will let us replace 4,000 troops with about 300 Tanks, IFV's etc.
Langvioa
06-08-2004, 15:27
In the response to the creation of multiple foreign bases near our borders, the Langvioan high command has established Fort Stewart. Their mission statement is to be on alert to protect the countries of Langvioa and Buechoria, alsong with Soviet Blocs base, if it needs help. These are the units on the base.
3rd Division
15000 men armed with Steyr-AUGs

249th armored division
150 Leopard II class tanks
30 Jaguar II class TDs
500 Armored Infantrymen armed with MP5k-PDWs

2nd Elite Battalion
500 men armed with HK-ACRs

12th Fighter Wing
75 F/A 18s

3rd Stealth Wing
20 ATF- F-22
15 B-2
Hirgizstan
06-08-2004, 16:34
Hirgizstan shall also leave a small contingent at an add-on base near the ARSB forces base.

We shall be leaving:

7th Army (3 Corps) 500000 troops in total. 1 Corps will always be there, the 7th will be on a Corps sized rotation for 6 years. The Corps have Hummvee's, Trucks, Engineer Vehicles, M1A3 Tanks, M113A8 APC's, various AA vehicles and mobile SAM platforms.

1st Colonial Legion. 3 Battalions, 1500 Soldiers.

200 F/A-22 Raptors, 7th Fighter Squadron

1st Army Air Wing. Assorted Western Aircraft, over 1000.
Kazakhstania
06-08-2004, 17:19
Kazakhstania wishes to ask if a small contingent of troops from each country, maybe 100-200 men, could stay at our air base, and I could havbe a small contingent of troops in each of your bases.

This tactic would be fantastic in surpressing future violence.
Hirgizstan
06-08-2004, 21:06
I agree that tactic would work, but what we may want to do is create a Multinational Security Force, MSF, comprised of troops from each nation that was involved in an effort to not only stave off violence but to promote co-operation on a nation-wide basis.
Belem
07-08-2004, 05:19
bump for buechorian trials and stuff
Kazakhstania
07-08-2004, 09:20
That would, indeed, work.

I suggest we set up an international military force to stop further violence in every country and this region.
Langvioa
07-08-2004, 13:42
OOC: I just want to clarify things, but am I counted as "Part of this war"?
Belem
08-08-2004, 05:15
OOC: I would assume so considering you fired on my ships and i fired on your subs thats generally considered part of
Langvioa
08-08-2004, 18:52
OOC: Oh yeah, forgot about that, sorry lol
Buechoria
08-08-2004, 23:35
OOC: UUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!!!!111!11!1 *Angst!*

Guys, i've been very busy lately and I am currently on a trip through New England
Langvioa
08-08-2004, 23:49
I personally like the idea of a MSF, but where would it be housed
Hirgizstan
09-08-2004, 15:02
We should house it on a Joint-Forces base, staffed solely by the MSF.
Belem
11-08-2004, 19:44
bump
Soviet Bloc
11-08-2004, 19:52
The ARSB would gladly support a multi-national security force tasked with keeping the region at peace. The only problem we would have with it is the fact they're either going to have to be issued just one set of weapons (with ammunition commomality), unless, of course, some of our nations share identical ammunition sizes. The same goes with vehicles, aircraft, and crew-served weapons.
Hirgizstan
11-08-2004, 20:59
Well, we currently use the M4A2 RIS and the M16A4 RIS for conventional forces. Our vehicles are primarily Hummvee's and 5Ton Trucks. Armour is M2A3 Bradley IFV's, LAV-300 IFV's, M113A8 APC's, Avenger and HUMRAAM SAM Systems. Our crew served weapons are M2HB 50.Caliber HMG's, MK-19 GL's and M198 155mm Howitzers. The standard Battle Dress Uniform is MARPAT, we use Desert, Woodland and Urban versions.
Belem
12-08-2004, 06:32
bump for buechoria
Langvioa
12-08-2004, 15:13
That line up sounds pretty good to me, but depending on the size of each nations force, there could be an alternative. If there is a small number of troops in each unit, then the base could be of a modular design with each section having its own ammo dump and armor. I think that this has been proven succesful in the past.

My force would be armed with Styer AUGs. These use standard 5.56 NATO ammunition, but actually can be easily made to fire 9mm rounds. Also, each company that is in the division that I would select the units for the MSF out of would have a urban combat squad. These are ten men- 5 with Mp5s (Navy Model 9mm), 3 with SPAS-12s (12 Guage), and 2 with Steyr Scouts (7.62x 51mm NATO). Those our my units weapons. It is my oppinion that the unit doesnt need to have the same weapons, but does need to have the same uniform with their own flag patches sewn on.
Hirgizstan
12-08-2004, 18:40
Ok, maybe not the same weapons, but the same calibres would be needed, can we agree on NATO standard?

What about the MARPAT Uniforms, it's the most effective camo in the world at the moment, i can equip the Force with the 3 different types of MARPAT for a charge.

What about vehicle and armour commonality?
Soviet Bloc
12-08-2004, 19:42
Well, our current standard assault rifle is the RSR-51 which fires both 7.62x51mm (7.62 NATO) and 5.45x39mm (.221 Fireball). However, the RSR-51 was built with a reconfigurable action and receiver meaning we can fit a multitude of different barrels on it for different calibers. Our primary pistol is the RSP-60 .45 service pistol.

As for the uniforms, it doesn't matter to us.

Otherwise, the vehicles we'll use are these: MMPWV M-04, LTB-40 truck, M-08 Reconaissance vehicle, SIV-21 APC/IFV, SV-90 IFV, T-05A, FCT-17, ST-11, T-08.

Aerial units (helicopters) will most likely be SAH-24s (freshly shipped in), SAH-17s, and HVC-03 cargo helicopters.

Of course, some of these may not be used or none of them may be used, pending certain decisions. But, the only comminality required between vehicles would be similar controls, fuel, and ammunition.
Kazakhstania
12-08-2004, 21:19
We would much rather keep our own weapons, as the troops are familiar with these, and we would probably do more harm than good by commonizing ammunition and weapons.
Hirgizstan
12-08-2004, 21:20
Ok, what about uniforms, do you want the MARPAT?
Belem
13-08-2004, 05:52
ooc; another bump for buechorian prisoner transfers
Kazakhstania
13-08-2004, 11:02
MARPAT sounds good. I coul keep a store of them at my airfield for when I wish to rotate troops.

I was also wondering where the MSF's HQ would be, and the communications arrngements.
Langvioa
13-08-2004, 15:28
Well, I know the guy who is Buechoria, so he'll be coming back soon I think, he'll be better able to say where the MSF would be placed, if its in Buechoria. I like the idea of the MARPAT uniform, and I think that NATO ammunition should be the standard ammunition but could we add 9mm? Its the most common pistol ammunition. And anyway, the countries could send different ammunition if they really wanted to.
Hirgizstan
13-08-2004, 18:23
Yes, 9mm can be included, thats a NATO standard anyway.

The HQ of the MSF should be in the Capital of Buechoria, while the Base will also have a HQ for tactical purposes. The one in the Capital should have a 5 Star General capable of contorlling all Services, be they Air Force, Marine, Army or Navy. At the base the same should happen only under a 4 Star General with a staff made up of soldiers from each service.
Langvioa
13-08-2004, 19:35
The idea is good, but that raises a new question- Who sends the general. There are so many arguments.
A. Belem was the primary anti-buechoria force
B. Soviet Bloc was the primary anti-sino force
C. Buechoria started the war
D. Sino also started the war
There, that leaves Kazakhstania, Hirgizstan, and myself doesnt it?

OOC: Duh, I feel really dumb for forgetting that 9mm is a NATO standard.
Belem
16-08-2004, 06:54
bump
Kazakhstania
17-08-2004, 10:01
Uh, as long as I have my own sub commander, I will stand under any 5 Star. Unless they are Beuchorian (I have nothing against you, its just my RP style)
Soviet Bloc
18-08-2004, 04:21
Alright, a few more things must be decided... How many soldiers will make up this force?


Meanwhile...
=========

The ARSB Government has offered the Buechorian government to train their military, if they so require. Also, the ARSB has offered to provide military equipment to Buechoria at extremely lowered prices or with extensive payment plans, even, depending on the situation, considering giving Buechoria free equipment

We also offer to assist Buechoria in constructing an integrated defense network to better defend their nation in the future. We can also allow Buechoria access to the ARSB's Defensive Net, a massive constellation of satellites and military unit-mounted information gathering systems that would give Buechoria an unparalleled advantage on the battlefield.
Kazakhstania
18-08-2004, 20:21
Soviet Bloc, Kazakhstania wishes you strongly do not do this. He is the warmonger that started the war, and attacked Sino in the first place.

Giving him free arms will encourage further bloodshed!
Soviet Bloc
19-08-2004, 03:14
We highly doubt that Buechoria will attempt anything while you and Belem have forces in his country. If his people and military remember what happened to them the last time they tried, they most likely won't attempt anything of the sort again... And if they do try something, we will stop them...

This is also being done because his defenses are in shambles... Although their forces exhibit a strong faith to their country and will fight to the death, their equipment (some of it) is out-dated and wasn't used effectively in the war... As far as we know, their forces were never able to defend a single position for more than a day at a time.

Enhanced training (only training in defensive/logistical operations) and better equipment will allow them to better defend themselves in the future.
Kazakhstania
19-08-2004, 18:50
As long as it is defense, I am fine with that.

As long as the stuff you are giving isnt:

Aircraft Carriers/ Landing Ships
Medium to Long Range Missiles
Offensive Use Main Battle Tanks

I am fine with it. I realies the need for counter attacks to, but nothing for invasion, unless he wants to build them himself.
Belem
23-08-2004, 08:04
bump for buechoria.
Soviet Bloc
23-08-2004, 08:16
Most likely the stuff we'll give him is infantry-based equipment including light vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, light tanks, and some main battle tanks. We'll configure most of them for defensive roles but if he wants to, he can make them into whatever he so desires.

He'll probably also receive aircraft and helicopters but to a lesser extent.
Kazakhstania
23-08-2004, 16:19
Hmmmmm.

Well if he attacks now that peace has been made....
Hirgizstan
23-08-2004, 18:27
Maybe you should stop threatening Buechoria already, the war is over.

Maybe you should concentrate on pulling out of Doomingsland? (Yeah, i know your doing a non-timelined RP with him elsewhere so don't correct me)

Essentially you spoke too quickly, ended up getting in way too deep, the war is over in Buechoria, full stop.

-COH-
Kazakhstania
23-08-2004, 18:45
I know its over, but I just dont like SB selling offensive equipment too him. He attacked Sino you know.

And yes, I know a war on Beuchoria would be too costly, so im not going to.
Belem
24-08-2004, 02:17
Buechoria's basic refusal to hand over those responsible for the attacks after a generous amount of time will be considered a breach of the peace treaty if Buechorian officials do not hand over the officials within 2 days.
Belem
24-08-2004, 05:55
bump
Langvioa
24-08-2004, 17:50
OOC: I really dont think that Buechoria is back yet, Belem, so think before you act
Belem
24-08-2004, 19:39
OOC: I really dont think that Buechoria is back yet, Belem, so think before you act

OOC: Most Recent Government Activity: 115 minutes ago
Also http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6856580#post6856580 posted yesterday by him

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6850471#post6850471 posted two days ago by him
Kazakhstania
24-08-2004, 23:18
OOC: If war starts again,w ho will be on whos side?
Soviet Bloc
25-08-2004, 03:35
The Premier's head dropped back as his eyes stared up at the ceiling... "Jesus Christ. Belem wants to go back to war?!"

The Foreign Intelligence minister nodded solemnly, "And the way things are... Our men are at a disadvantage. Chances are, Belem has had their troops prepared for this for some time. And if war does break out again, there's no telling how far they'd get." He paused for a second before continuing, "Well, we don't know if it will return to war. Belem only stated it as a breach of contract..."

Chlevenkov sighed, "Wait... Which fleets do we have stationed in Buechoria?"

The foreign intel minister, Udo Kievskiy, glanced to a dossier he held in his hands, "The 5th Expeditionary Fleet and the 8th Expeditionary Fleet."

Boris nodded, "Beautiful. Both of those fleets are outfitted with Kasatanov-class SSGNs and Torrent-class arsenal ships. Each fleet has two SSGNs and an arsenal ship. That means each fleet is capable of dispensing 2076 cruise missiles. That's not including destroyer, frigate, and the like's missiles." The Premier thought for a minute before speaking up, "Tell both of those fleets to aim a quarter of those missiles at high-priority Belem targets and tell them to not make it seem obvious, let their foreign intel work a bit to figure it out. Also, have our air wings over there prepare for combat. If war is to break out, I don't want our troops getting smashed but, instead, I want their advance to be halted as soon as it begins with a salvo of missiles they couldn't hope to destroy. And as soon as an enemy mobilization is detected or an act of war, get air superiority first. We have enough air forces in the region to do it."

The foreign intelligence minister nodded, "Yes sir."


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Aboard the Kasatanov-class SSGNs and Torrent-class arsenal ships, cruise missiles were being uploaded with target information to all high-priority Belem targets. These included command centers, motor pools, storage buildings, fuel depots, munitions bunkers, and communication towers. Major bridges, roads, and valleys were also targeted to impede any advance.

The SSGNs would never be seen by Belem intelligence satellites or aircraft as they remained underwater at all times, only surfacing inside sub-pens for repairs. The arsenal ships were always in full view to Belem intel satellites but looked to be more like cargo or oil tankers. This would soon change, as in the event of any war, the arsenal ships would immediately submerge themselves to their maximum operating depth of two-hundred feet.

Some land-based cruise missile delivering systems were also being constructed, however, these were on the southern tip of Buechoria, far away from any enemy. The launcher vehicles were built to resemble semi-tractors with reefer trailers. Some of the vehicles were constantly being shuttled, posing as Buechorian trucks ferrying goods from city to city. Others were housed in special structures to be dispersed among the landscape in case of war. A few sat underneath camoflauge netting in rural areas of Buechoria.
Belem
25-08-2004, 05:10
bump for buechoria again.
Kazakhstania
25-08-2004, 07:52
Kazakhstania is now switching alliegences, seeing as how we have had peace for several days, but now one breaches this peace with threats of war.

We will stand by Beuchoria as peace is needed.
Belem
25-08-2004, 08:04
Kazakhstania is now switching alliegences, seeing as how we have had peace for several days, but now one breaches this peace with threats of war.

We will stand by Beuchoria as peace is needed.

Does Kazakhstania realize that Buechoria is the one to breach the treaty as he still hasn't handed over the officials as promised in the treaty.
Kazakhstania
25-08-2004, 12:52
Yes, but it would be too costly both in relationships with Soviet Bloc and in terms of the amount of men this war sucks up.
Langvioa
25-08-2004, 14:31
OOC: Ill try to get a hold of the Buechorian guy, but it might take a while.
IC: After the recent arguements between Belem and the otherv countries involved in this conflict, the Republic of Langvioa strongly urges Belem to not create a whole new war after peace has been attained. But in the case of a new war, the 3rd division (15000 men) and the 2nd fleet (Flagship is the L.S. William E. Clemons) have been mobilized and are in a position to defend the Buechorian capital.
Kazakhstania
25-08-2004, 19:51
20th, 21st and 23rd Home Defense divisions, 1st SAM division and th Fighter wing have been moved to defend Beuchoria.
Hirgizstan
26-08-2004, 21:04
I think that we should all calm down very much.

War cannot start up again, it will be too costly for all sides.

This RP is childish as best, one wrong word could lead to Cuban Missile Crisis style Flashpoints, not good at all.

We need to slow down with all thats said. Starting war again is brash and idiotic and should not be on the table. This is not the Balkans, we don't want to go starting wars every other second peace is made.

-COH-
Buechoria
26-08-2004, 22:45
Prime Minister helms has prepared the following speech:

Since there is no clear victor of this pointless war, a war crime is impossible to hold since the victor acts as the judge. The Buechorian officials have returned to the Bundestag and our government has resumed normal operations.
Belem
27-08-2004, 00:22
Prime Minister helms has prepared the following speech:

Since there is no clear victor of this pointless war, a war crime is impossible to hold since the victor acts as the judge. The Buechorian officials have returned to the Bundestag and our government has resumed normal operations.


Buechoria in the peace treaty has agreed to the turnover of ALL responsible for the invasion of Sino. This is a clear and direct violation of the peace treaty. Turn over those responsible or be held responsible for the breach of the treaty.
Buechoria
27-08-2004, 03:58
Prime Minister Helms has prepared the following statement:

Therefore the treaty is in violation of standard war crimes code. The CLEAR victor acts as judge. Since there was no clear victor, since both sides have declared armistice. Also, Buechoria will not accept the handover of practically the whole Bundestag and our top Field Marshals as well, since everyone in the military and government advocated this fight for defending human rights.
Belem
27-08-2004, 05:33
The Treaty cleary states the ones responsible for the attack will be handed over to a Belem/Sino court. You agreed to the treaty hence you a responsible to adhere to it. And the treaty only calls for the trials of those who PLANNED and ORDERED the attack supporting it doesn't fit those descriptions.
Langvioa
27-08-2004, 15:51
Ok, heres what I have so far. I have decided that I will try not to be bias against any side and these are the actual facts of the matter:
1. One of the terms was that all Buechorian officials be turned over for a Belem/Sino court for trial
2. Buechoria signed this term among the others
3. Sino never officially signed the peace treaty, thus it cannot be part of the trial
4. Sorry Buechoria, but unless you want another war you are going to have to had over your leaders.
5. On the other hand, Belem, some of your allies are now supporing Buechoria so would it be a good idea to start a war?
Hirgizstan
27-08-2004, 17:12
Belem, you, i am sure, would not hand over all your leaders if you lost a war you had advocated, not many nations would and i applaud Buechoria for his stance in this matter, he is totally correct.

However, i do not see why the leaders of Belem (having to fill in for the absent Sino) and the leaders of Buechoria should go on trial for war crimes?
A War Crime is usually classed as an atrocity, such as Ethnic Cleansing or the execution of POW's and/or Civilians with no ties to the conflict.

In this war it seems there were not such atrocities commited, or at least this seems widely apparent. Thus there should not be any calls for ANYONE to hand over any leaders, this was an invasion and a legal war ensued, not a war about religion or ethnicity but about National interests. Thus War Crimes, under nearly all definitions are not present in this case.

What is present is that there was an invasion and peace has been achieved. Some want to keep this peace. Belem, you stand ALONE, as now Kazakhstania has showed support for Buechoria. Even with Sino's support you would be doomed to loose an extremely high amount of soldiers. There is no case for hostility. The war has ended, peace has been achieved, if no reparations are paid from anybody then that is fair, no leaders should be handed over from any nation, this is also in the interests of fairness. For if all leaders from Buechoria are handed over, what is to stop the country from falling into anarchy or for you, Belem, to stage some sort of coup.
Buechoria is right in his stance, it is vindicated entirely.

-COH-
Belem
27-08-2004, 18:50
Belem, you, i am sure, would not hand over all your leaders if you lost a war you had advocated, not many nations would and i applaud Buechoria for his stance in this matter, he is totally correct.

However, i do not see why the leaders of Belem (having to fill in for the absent Sino) and the leaders of Buechoria should go on trial for war crimes?
A War Crime is usually classed as an atrocity, such as Ethnic Cleansing or the execution of POW's and/or Civilians with no ties to the conflict.

In this war it seems there were not such atrocities commited, or at least this seems widely apparent. Thus there should not be any calls for ANYONE to hand over any leaders, this was an invasion and a legal war ensued, not a war about religion or ethnicity but about National interests. Thus War Crimes, under nearly all definitions are not present in this case.

What is present is that there was an invasion and peace has been achieved. Some want to keep this peace. Belem, you stand ALONE, as now Kazakhstania has showed support for Buechoria. Even with Sino's support you would be doomed to loose an extremely high amount of soldiers. There is no case for hostility. The war has ended, peace has been achieved, if no reparations are paid from anybody then that is fair, no leaders should be handed over from any nation, this is also in the interests of fairness. For if all leaders from Buechoria are handed over, what is to stop the country from falling into anarchy or for you, Belem, to stage some sort of coup.
Buechoria is right in his stance, it is vindicated entirely.

-COH-

Buechoria engaged in an illegal action against Sino and hat is the reason for the trial. And as for the fair weather friends who have turned there back on the treaty I have coalition being prepared to supprot my cause if Buechoria doesn't hand over those responsible.
Hirgizstan
27-08-2004, 19:05
Well i'm sorry to break the news but well...Sino hasn't RP'd here in ages, and when we were at war he was nowhere, you went it alone (and the General consensus was that you GM'd heavily) and it got you nothing, now Sino isn't interested.

Your true foolishness will be shown if you actually think you should go to war again. Usually nations of your age and mine have a lot more sense than a newer nation, i.e. we're not overblown and foolhardy warmongers who don't GM often or at all, but i can clearly see this is not the case with you.
If you try and go to war again it will seem and will be foolish and brash, as there is no need whatsoever apart from a petty National difference in the definition of 'illegal', because an invasion of a soerveign nation such a Buechoria, by you, is considered a lot more illegal than any such 'illegal' activity that was going on before the war. So, if anybody should hand over Leaders first its you, but even that is foolish because in this war there is no victor, peace was achieved through mutual agreement and thus any handing over of leaders for 'crimes' is entirely invalid no matter the case or nation in question.

-COH-
Belem
28-08-2004, 03:33
Well i'm sorry to break the news but well...Sino hasn't RP'd here in ages, and when we were at war he was nowhere, you went it alone (and the General consensus was that you GM'd heavily) and it got you nothing, now Sino isn't interested.

Your true foolishness will be shown if you actually think you should go to war again. Usually nations of your age and mine have a lot more sense than a newer nation, i.e. we're not overblown and foolhardy warmongers who don't GM often or at all, but i can clearly see this is not the case with you.
If you try and go to war again it will seem and will be foolish and brash, as there is no need whatsoever apart from a petty National difference in the definition of 'illegal', because an invasion of a soerveign nation such a Buechoria, by you, is considered a lot more illegal than any such 'illegal' activity that was going on before the war. So, if anybody should hand over Leaders first its you, but even that is foolish because in this war there is no victor, peace was achieved through mutual agreement and thus any handing over of leaders for 'crimes' is entirely invalid no matter the case or nation in question.

-COH-

Of course one of the only terms to the peace was a handover which Buechoria agreed to, so he is responsible for upholding the agreement.
Buechoria
28-08-2004, 05:09
Belem, I soon learned that your peace treaty demands for a trial have been voided by this standard rule. I accept all other terms.
Soviet Bloc
28-08-2004, 07:00
The ARSB advises that Buechoria at least hand-over someone as the extremely untrustworthy and highly volatile government of Belem has proven itself in the past to take the foolish route in diplomacy.

Most nations would've been satisfied with a peace treaty at this point, even if not all points were accepted or completed. Belem got most of its wishes and I highly doubt the Buechorian leadership that made these decisions would even consider taking the same course of action that got them into this mess. If they attempt to, we will not assist them and we will stand in their way. However, the true goals of Belem have come to light, they are only doing this for imperialistic gains.

And about your 'coalition', I can just as easily get the CAP, OMP, and NATO into this (not saying I will, its possible). That would depend, however, if you attacked ARSB forces directly, which is inevitable as they stand in your way no matter how you attack. We advise you think twice about your future plans as they appear to have far more drawbacks than the single advantage (gaining of land).
Belem
28-08-2004, 22:46
Belem, I soon learned that your peace treaty demands for a trial have been voided by this standard rule. I accept all other terms.


You signed an official treaty agreeing to the demands. Therefore the terms still stands. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse and Belem is not bound by any "clear victor" treaties so the treaty is not in violation of Belem law. By signing the treaty Buechoria could waived its right to the "pre existing" rule.
Kazakhstania
28-08-2004, 23:11
Guys, I a whiel ago we all had this peace treaty signed, minus Sino which was no great shake. We were all happy and were setting up a peace force to GUARD against a war.

Now, just because Beuchoria was a bit late, you are starting it up again. he is clearly here now and has clearly agreed and HAD clearly agreed, so let it lie!

Unless you want a war on your own, you better back down and let there be peace.
Langvioa
28-08-2004, 23:32
Buechoria agreed to a SINO/Belem trial, not a just Belem trial. And since Sino never signed the treaty, and the treaty is finalised, that would void that section wouldnt it?
Belem
29-08-2004, 00:24
Guys, I a whiel ago we all had this peace treaty signed, minus Sino which was no great shake. We were all happy and were setting up a peace force to GUARD against a war.

Now, just because Beuchoria was a bit late, you are starting it up again. he is clearly here now and has clearly agreed and HAD clearly agreed, so let it lie!

Unless you want a war on your own, you better back down and let there be peace.

he agreed to peace but now hes going back on the conditions of the treaty and is violating the treaty.
Kazakhstania
29-08-2004, 00:38
To tell you the truth, WE DONT CARE about the treaty, we, like most civilised nations, care about peace between nations and WHEN WE CAN will back that peace.

Now accept what you have got, which is relatively bloodless peace.
Belem
29-08-2004, 01:55
To tell you the truth, WE DONT CARE about the treaty, we, like most civilised nations, care about peace between nations and WHEN WE CAN will back that peace.

Now accept what you have got, which is relatively bloodless peace.


Belem will not back down from the SIGNED agreement as any appeasement will be a welcome mat for anyone else who wishes to break treaties with Belem.