NationStates Jolt Archive

Quantum weapons are merely light weapons, such as lasers. Quantum torpedos for example would be pretty much the same thing as a Photon torpedo, with the exception that a Quantum torp doesn't necessarily have to use Photons. It could use any other energy in the spectrum. So, the element used as the reactive base for the explosive would determine the damage, with certain elements reacting with different properties. Wait a second, I just showed my nerdiness back there, didn't I? :wink:

IC: Officially, we are neutral in this war. It is not like we could do much anyway, all of our capital ships are on other missions at the moment (read: used in other RPs.)

1 : quantem torps have a higher yeild
2 : hes not takeing any losses i would have creamd some of his star destoryers alredy
3 : transpahsic torptos can go though sheilds but it would take a few of them to destory and IDS
4 : i read trekkie manuls so i know.
))

All right on the advise ment of sevral opnions .

I have been advised to ignore you though i will have to get more opnions core worlds . before i do

1 : Quantum torps have a higher yield
2 : He's not taking any losses, I would have creamd some of his Star Sestroyers already.
3 : Transphasic torpedos can go though shields but it would take a few of them to destroy an ISD.
4 : I read trekkie manuals so I know.


Corrected your post to make it legible, but a nitpick about the transphasic torps, they go through borg shields, it hasn't been proven they can go through SW tech-based shields, as they don't have some stupid frequency like ST. And while I'm just a viewer, if anyone in this war should be ignored Fedral Union, it should be you, with how you warp in ships whenever you start to take losses. Your FTL may be nearly instantaneous, but what about your communications? Plus there's the fact that whatever planets you take them from you're leaving unguarded. Oh, and your point about CoreWorlds not knowing the internal layout of your nation, he could have always just bought information off of merchants, sent scout ships or probes, or just looked at a map of the galaxy.

1 : Quantum torps have a higher yield
2 : He's not taking any losses, I would have creamd some of his Star Sestroyers already.
3 : Transphasic torpedos can go though shields but it would take a few of them to destroy an ISD.
4 : I read trekkie manuals so I know.


Corrected your post to make it legible, but a nitpick about the transphasic torps, they go through borg shields, it hasn't been proven they can go through SW tech-based shields, as they don't have some stupid frequency like ST.

Ohh please
uhem

Hellfire Torpedoes:

The hellfire torpedo was designed as a compliment to the quantum torpedo. The Hellfire was designed to bypass enemy shields and pack a punch to the enemy ship itself. The Hellfire is designed to 'skip' past enemy shielding using subspace phasing technology first used in 2368. The torpedo has a small, short range sensor array that, as it nears and enemy ship, scans it's target's shield 'bubble', frequency and modulation, and then ativates the subspace phase transporter. This allows the Hellfire to move out of phase with the target, and re-appear within it's shield parameter, and impact directly on the hull. That sequence takes only a matter of milli-seconds. To the naked eye, it appears the Hellfire actually passes though a ship's shields instead of 'skiping' past them. Deadly protomatter is the in the warhead, and is acted upone by antiprotons to cause the violant reaction and deadly explosive force of the weapon. A quantum singularity powers the torpedoes systems and allows it to maintain warp speeds, as well as giving that bright green glow. The torpedo has its own warp coils in the casing and therefore is able to maintain a high warp for a fairly long time. The torpedo has to be fired at warp to obtain warp velocity to begin with. The torpedo has no communication devise, it is completely self controlled and contained, 'fire and forget'. This is a drawback (and at times an advantage) to the torpedo because it may lose the target even if the ship doesn't, but it can maintain lock if the ship has problems. Also the shield modulation can't be sent to the firing ship or any other ship. The short range sensor of the Hellfire can't be modified to do that, the sensors have a too limited range and there isn't enough space for communications gear. So even if a communicator were put in, the torpedo wouldn't have enough time to send any information. This would also make the torpedo better able to cope with changes in the shield modulation because it gets the modulation data at the latest possible time

Transphasic Torpedoes:



Let's look at the name, 'Trans' means between and 'Phasic' refers to being in phase with normal matter, thus it's clear this weapon is designed to phase between to enable it to pass though shielding and hull. This weapon is meant to be an anti-Borg weapon. It enlists the casing and basic internal systems of a Hellfire torpedo but it's warhead and phasing systems have undergone major changes. Current Hellfire torpedoes, developed three years ago, have the ability to 'skip' past a target's shields and impact against the hull causing much more damage then a torpedo hitting shields. The Transphasic Torpedo goes a step further. Improving on the Hellfire's phasing systems, improved in the 3 years since it was design, it not only phases to 'skip' past shielding, but also past the target's hull and detonating inside the target for maximum damage. However, to include new systems and a larger warhead, range has been limited, even over the Hellfire's short range. Also due to the weapon's highly volatile nature and intentions (used against extreme hostile forces, like the Borg).

...The Hellfire is designed to 'skip' past enemy shielding using subspace phasing technology first used in 2368. The torpedo has a small, short range sensor array that, as it nears and enemy ship, scans it's target's shield 'bubble', frequency and modulation, and then ativates the subspace phase transporter....

My point exactly, it works against ST based shields, but how do you know it works against an ISD's shields? They don't have a frequency, its pretty much a solid wall of electrons IIRC. The same weapon also wouldn't work against gravitic shielding like I use. Just because it works against one type of tech doesn't mean it's going to work well against another. Oh, just something I'd like to point out about CorpSac's black hole weapon. It may only last 30 seconds, and it would make a fine anti-ship weapon, but do you realize what the secondary effects of using that in a star system would be? Imagine what would happen if a black hole appeared within a few million kilometers of a planet, even if it only lasted for 30 seconds. That planet's orbit would be pretty much screwed. As far as superweapons go, I'd classify any singularity weapon as a "system-raper."

OOC: ok so TFU trying to make it out thats he is the vitim in this ok lets see what sparked this:

1) TFU opens fire on DESC Explorer Class ships killing a Mayne Royal Member (removed) with no warnin or reason
2) TFU ignores Trade Sactions and closed borders and trys to run blokades with Dark Empire Space
3) TFU Trade ships enter Dark Empire space (with a Core Worlds Small Colony)
4) ignores 3 warning to leave so Dark Empire Fleets open fire (loses were not ment)
5) TFU starts an Attack on the CorpSac fleet what results in CWs Colony being struke by a TFU torpedo.

STOP TRYING TO BE THE VITIM IN THIS TFU

as i stated why would someone want to help someone elce who started this war? your the one in the wrong here (not to metion godmoding a bit) to your "you should be takeing higher losses" er..no your out numbered and out guned. reason my ships not takeing that mainly losses is i have PDS (point defence systems) that are shooting your torpedos (60% effectiveness Avg) meaning 40% Avg of your Torpedos are hitting my ships. not to mention that mmy fighters (i think i have over 300) are attack your ships and shoot any torpedo they see. now i not saying that your torpedos are not hitting my ships im just sayin on Avg only about 40% of them are hitting. not to mention the fact that my ships have between 7-9 to 9-12 meters of armor that is made out of Endor (a substace 3x stronger then any earth based metal but 2x heavyer) so my ships can take a alot of damage to the hull.

now onto the PDS.

PDS fires rapid fire weapons designed to take out Torpedos and missiles fireing 1000s of plasma bolts (2mm) at them. fast tracking systems targeting mutiply targets ate once. the PDS turrets are mostly 360 degrees (spinning) and 180 dergees (up and down).
PDS has an effectiveness of 60% Avg vs Torpedos and 45% vs Missiles.
PDS can also be used agenst Fighters with a 75% effectiveness Avg due to the fact that fighters move slower then most Missiles and Torpedos.

that means your ships and fighters (apart from Captial ships) comeing into Close range are being shot at by my PDS tho it may not destroy it but it does do abit of dammage. it would tho rip apart a fighter.

Now onto the BH Cannon

with the fact that it my fleet moved back would indercate to you the Range of this weapon. think of it like this.
the round hit your Omega Destroyer destroying that right away now theres a hole in space leading into the deepest part of hyperspace were not even light can escape in effect createing a Blackhole like object. it sucks in all in can for 30 seconds befor (unknow to even us) in closes (theroy is that Space time repairs the rip) with the effect of about 10,000 Kms radios ships with in 8,000 Kms of it would take Hvy dammage. ships with in 9,000-10,000Kms would take modarte dammage. due to the Gravermetic forces the ships would be crushed in areas and so forth. anything with in 7,900 Kms would be destroyed if not would not beable to be effective anymore. anything with in 6,900 Kms would be destroyed.

now do you want to post your loses or are we goin to keep say "your a godmoder" to each other that is no getting us anywere.

It will or he'll be ignored since they scan the modualtion they would pass though it See what i mean .

Ill post when i get a strite answer.

:x :x
[b] thats bs man!? you should be takeing higher losses and YOUR THE ONE GODDMING JEEZ MY SHIPS ARE VARRY POWER FULL I USE QAUNTEM WEPONS FOR GOD SAKES ... 2 : YOU AINT TAKEING LOSSES
3 :YOU DONT HAVE ANY OF MY STAR CHARTS ....! 3 : HOW DO YOU EVEN KJNOW WARE MY SHIP YARDS ARE WHEN YOU HAVENT EVEN RPED THEM GETTING THE SPY INFO!

OOC:
1. I don't know what yield the "quantum torpedoes" are. I don't use frequency shields.
2. I'm taking losses. My fighters and frigates have died, but my Star Destroyer have powerful shields. It'll take a while for them to die, but I can, and will lose Star Destroyers.
3. I was once an ally of yours, remember? I know where your shipyards, bases, basically everything about you except any supersecret projects you have.
4. Respond to my attacks on your shipyard, supply depot and training facility. They are legitimate targets in war.

i dont know why i bother trying to explain things TFU doesnt read a thing

"Hey Bob, I found one"
"really? Let me see" Bob looked at the screen. "Excelent! And just as our ratings where begining to fall! Begin broadcasting on selected AO channels immdietly!"

It will or he'll be ignored since they scan the modulation they would pass though it See what i mean.

I'll post when i get a straight answer.

Now onto the BH Cannon...it sucks in all in can for 30 seconds before (unknown to even us) it closes (theory is that Space time repairs the rip) with the effect of about 10,000 Kms radios ships with in 8,000 Kms of it would take Hvy dammage. ships within 9,000-10,000Kms would take moderate damage. Due to the Gravimetic forces the ships would be crushed in areas and so forth. Anything with in 7,900 Kms would be destroyed if not would not be able to be effective anymore. Anything with in 6,900 Kms would be destroyed.

FU, are you incapable of reading?! He does not have a shield modulation, the weapons will not work. And CorpSac, while a BH weapon is excellent for anti-starship work, do you realize what the secondary effects would be? Imagine what a black hole popping into existence a few million kilometers from a planet would do, even if it's only for 30 seconds. It would screw around with the planet's orbital path, and god help it if it had moons. This is why I wouldn't classify BH weapons as fleet combat weapons, and instead as "system-rapers".

If he doseint i could adpat my phasers and trops to one sheild varrible and slice him up how is that possible?

OOC: I thought that only uber 2 billion+ nations had black hole weapons. Aren't they considered a godmod in mainstream space warfare?

OOC Edit: He doesn't necessarily have shield variables either. He doesn't use shields that run on startrek principles. He uses ones that run on starwars principles, which are completely different.

I know but if he has one constant sheilding varrible i could adapt to that and
Use it to my advange ....

SW shields aren't even a bubble shape, they hug the hull. And you aren't paying attention, there are no shield variables. It has no modulation, and it has no frequency. That means there are no variables, and no way to perform weapons adjustments to bypass the shields.

If its hung on the hull then the ship could be scaned it has to at least have one constant state of modualtion or verrible ... if not it would still be able to buy passed becuse SW ships most likely doseint have tech to prevnet beam though ... Un like layers of st sheilding.

Oh please, beaming stuff through? Just from watching TNG, almost anything can block a transporter, like exotic minerals, storms, jamming, etc.

Ive heard from expert sorces that it is ... buble shape and that it doseit have any modulations or varribles but thats my advatge )

ThefedralUnion: Humm but its one constant thing right ?
FSPolerLeopold: yes, since there is no modulation, it never changes
ThefedralUnion: Thats an advange

Watch The Phantom Menace, when Anakin activates his fighter's shields you can see they are hull hugging. Also, from the Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, "Shield energy permeates the ship's hull and wraps the vessel in layers of energy that may extend anywhere from a few millimeters to several centimeters away from the hull."

OOC: I thought that only uber 2 billion+ nations had black hole weapons. Aren't they considered a godmod in mainstream space warfare?

OOC: Lets face it... most nations claim whatever they like these days because few people care about the limits of reality.

Doesn't matter, its for the space nations of this thread to decide I guess.

Hes useing impreals tech not Republic tech.

from what i see.

They still operate on the same principle. Hell, the Republic had Victory-class star destroyers, its not like they started functioning completely different because the government changed.

Frankly this will just cuse an OOC flame war ... maby we should just ignore eatch other (though it seems liek bad rping and god modding on my part)
I think that would be best we will all keep makeing claims and i consider black hole tech god modding ! this will just go on and on .

FU, are you incapable of reading?! He does not have a shield modulation, the weapons will not work. And CorpSac, while a BH weapon is excellent for anti-starship work, do you realize what the secondary effects would be? Imagine what a black hole popping into existence a few million kilometers from a planet would do, even if it's only for 30 seconds. It would screw around with the planet's orbital path, and god help it if it had moons. This is why I wouldn't classify BH weapons as fleet combat weapons, and instead as "system-rapers".

true but we've never fired it in a solar system till now well one of this size, we normaly uses ones that only have a gravermetic range of 500Kms. and as i stated befor its not a real black hole mearly a rip in space to Hyperspace (i worked on this useing my hyperspace tech) that seals it self after 30 seconds. the reason is theroyed to be something to do with Hyperspace/Real space but not shore what. (still working on why it closes). the weapon i used here was a Mobile BH cannon that is the most powerful thing within my Empire but can only fire once and cost billion to re-arm so i wont be useing it for along time (it also takes 10 years to produce the Ammo for the MBHC).

it will be interesting to see the effects of this cannon in this system if this doesnt end up in the big Ignore Cannon shoot out.

and if TFU tryed to bord my ships i will be in fits of giggles due to the fact the the ships on adverage have over 10,000 Space Marines (clone unit) and Endor also blocks things like that. hell i cant even if i had the tech transport off useing "beaming" due to the Endor.

Frankly this will just cuse an OOC flame war ... maby we should just ignore eatch other (though it seems liek bad rping and god modding on my part)
I think that would be best we will all keep makeing claims and i consider black hole tech god modding ! this will just go on and on .

Note ^

Frankly this will just cuse an OOC flame war ... maby we should just ignore eatch other (though it seems liek bad rping and god modding on my part)
I think that would be best we will all keep makeing claims and i consider black hole tech god modding ! this will just go on and on .

dont see how you can class BH god modding due to the fact when i fired it you accepted it and took loses. unless you want to God mod your ships come back from the dead. and also if u didnt know it TFU your in my space not like the MBHC will effect you (apart from loses to your fleet)

XKojiDaemoniacX: I always thought in situations such as the Empire vs. the Federation, they'd be pretty closely matched.
XKojiDaemoniacX: Tell him to rewatch Return of the Jedi and study closely what happens to the Super Star Destroyer.
ThefedralUnion: Hes useing imrelials tech
ThefedralUnion: Impreals tech*&
ThefedralUnion: Not republics tech
XKojiDaemoniacX: ...Super Star Destroyers were Imperial vessels!
ThefedralUnion: I know .
XKojiDaemoniacX: Hell, he should watch the Empire Strikes Back and see how "powerful" Star Destroyer shields are in asteroid fields.))

(I would only lose 5 ships max even then they could have trans wapred out of thare. )

OOC: Listen, this war doesn't have to devlove into an ignore fest. Each side just has to give and take a few things.

1. TFU, your phasers cannot modulate with SW shields. Just punch through them like everyone else.
2. CorpSac- Please keep the black hole weapons out of this. You don't want to permanently damage the system, right?

Edit: It seems I can no longer delete this post, meaning that someone has posted after me. *Sigh* Alright. SW ships have 2 kinds of shields, Ray shields which protect from energy weapons, and Particle shields which protect from asteroids. Particle shields suck lots of power, and you can't launch ships with them. The star destroyers in the empire strikes back didn't have their particle shields on. I think it was related to having to launch TIE fighters to search for the Millenium Falcom. Star destroyers have good shields, by starwars standards. A federation galaxy class ship could defeat a Star Destroyer and vice versa. They are pretty evenly matched when it comes to raw firepower.

OOC: Puppet.

OOC2: Republic and Imperial tech aren't all that different, since they're in the same galaxy. Now, if you please, let's continue killing each other's ships.

True But he has to take more losses im fireing evry thing i got at his supid star destoryers i might use my class XX phaser's .

XKojiDaemoniacX: I always thought in situations such as the Empire vs. the Federation, they'd be pretty closely matched.
XKojiDaemoniacX: Tell him to rewatch Return of the Jedi and study closely what happens to the Super Star Destroyer.
ThefedralUnion: Hes useing imrelials tech
ThefedralUnion: Impreals tech*&
ThefedralUnion: Not republics tech
XKojiDaemoniacX: ...Super Star Destroyers were Imperial vessels!
ThefedralUnion: I know .
XKojiDaemoniacX: Hell, he should watch the Empire Strikes Back and see how "powerful" Star Destroyer shields are in asteroid fields.))

(I would only lose 5 ships max even then they could have trans wapred out of thare. )

SW Vs ST in 5 Minutes (http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html)

Space began to distorte in a large vacinity near the battle. Suddenly, massive amounts of ships exited Sub-Space, sleek bluish orbs stripping from their hulls as if it was an outer casing. As the Sub-Spaced ships stopped, they sat for a short while watching the battle.

OOC:

Ships and Specs for Ships:

http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Drawings/Earth/Hyperion.gif
Side, Top

SCH-02 Hyperion Class Space Heavy Cruiser
Colonial Heavy Cruiser

Length:
-588 feet
Width:
-327 feet
Height:
-254 feet

Power-Plant:
x2 Hydrogen Plasmatic Reactors - 24,000 RkW each - 48,000 RkW overall
x4 Coolent Turbine Cells
x2 Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Processors
x3 Reactor Thrusters
x2 Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Reactors
x4 Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Thrusters
x6 Secondary Thrusters
Generators:
x2 Electro-Magnetic Generators - 100,000 kW each - 200,000 kW overall
x2 Electro-Magnetic Gravaton Generators
Life-Support Systems:
x8 Oxygen Generation/Reprocessing Systems
x4 Oxygen/H2O Purifications Systems
x4 Electro-Magnetic Waste Termination Systems
x5 Water Processing/Reprocessing Systems
Sub-Space Drive:
x1 Type-III Sub-Space Drive
x2 Sub-Space Coolent Systems

Armor:
Ionic Reinforced Titanium

Weapons:
x5 185-mm Rail-Gun Turrets
x1 132-mm Laser Turret
x2 84-mm Hyper Chain-Cannons
x2 224-mm Forward-Main Single-Barrel Hyper Rail-Cannons
Craft:
x2 Modified Buran Space Shuttle
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/jets/f-86/sabre_info/3view.gif
x8 XSF-02 Star Sabre - Four Chain-Guns - Two Missile Hard-Points

Crew:
-Officers: 18
-Crewmen: 132
-Colonial Marines: 80
-Overall: 230

In-Service:
--Ten(14) Currently in Active Service--
CFHC Hyperius
CFHC Relentless
CFHC Triton
CFHC Protector
CFHC Defender
CFHC Guardius
CFHC Hard Cruiser
CFHC Dominion Prime
CFHC Colonial Glory
CFHC Brave Warrior
CFHC Vigilance
CFHC Star Shriek
CFHC Kretania
CFHC Rudavia

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Side, Top, Bottom
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Front, Rear

SBB-04 Orpheus Class Space Battleship
Colonial Battle Ship

Length:
-954 feet
Width:
-452 feet
Height:
-278 feet

Power-Plant:
x3 Hydrogen Plasmatic Reactors - 24,000 RkW each - 72,000 RkW overall
x9 Coolent Turbine Cells
x4 Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Processors
x3 Reactor Thrusters
Generators:
x4 Electro-Magnetic Generators - 100,000 kW each - 400,000 kW overall
x2 Electro-Magnetic Gravaton Generators
Life-Support Systems:
x14 Oxygen Generation/Reporcessing Systems
x8 Electro-Magnetic Waste Termination Systems
x7 Water Processing/Reprocessing Systems
Sub-Space Drive:
x2 Type-II Sub-Space Drives
x4 Sub-Space Coolent Systems

Armor:
Ionic Reinforced Titanium

Weapons:
x5 249-mm Twin-Barrel Main Turret Cannons
x3 224-mm Twin-Barrel Hyper Rail Turret Cannons
x6 185-mm Rail Gun Turrets
x2 132-mm Laser Turrets
x8 84-mm Hyper Chain-Cannons
Craft:
x2 Modified Buran Space Shuttle
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/jets/f-86/sabre_info/3view.gif
x18 XSF-02 Star Sabre

Crew:
-Officers: 32
-Crewmen: 248
-Colonial Marines: 120
-Overall: 400

In-Service:
--Four(8) currently in Active Service--
CFBS Nova
CFBS Reliance
CFBS Freedom
CFBS Titanus
CFBS Olympus
CFBS Novarius
CFBS Prometheus
CFBS Kretanius

http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Drawings/Earth/Electra.gif
Side, Top

SMB-01 Electra Class Space Battle Monitor
Colonial Battle Monitor Ship

Length:
-422 feet
Width:
-184 feet w/out wing calculated
-218 feet with wing calculated
Height:
-284 feet

Power-Plant:
x2 Hydrogen Plasmatic Reactors - 24,000 RkW each - 48,000 RkW overall
x5 Coolent Turbine Cells
x4 Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Processors
x4 Reactor Thrusters
Generators:
x4 Electro-Magnetic Generators 100,000 kW each - 400,000 kW overall
x3 Electro-Magnetic Gravaton Generators
Life-Support Systems:
x8 Oxygen Generation/Reprocessing Systems
x4 Electro-Magnetic Waste Termination Systems
x2 Water Processing/Reprocessing Systems
Sub-Space Drive:
x2 Type-I Sub-Space Drives
x4 Sub-Space Coolent Systems

Armor:
Ionic Reinforced Titanium

Weapons:
x2 "Torpedo Wings" Space Torpedo Launcher Wings
x6 Type-IV Space Torpedo Launchers - 3 on each Wing
x8 214-mm Double-Barrel Hyper-Rail Cannon Turrets
x2 180-mm Double-Barrel Electro Laser Cannons
x10 145-mm Advanced Rail Gun
x2 70-mm Hyper Chain Cannons
Craft:
x2 Modified Buran Space Shuttle
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/jets/f-86/sabre_info/3view.gif
x24 XSF-02 Star Sabre - Four Chain-Guns - Two Missile Hard-Points

Crew:
-Officers: 14
-Crewmen: 140
-Colonial Marines: 74
-Overall: 228

In-Service:
--Seven(7) Currently in Active Service--
CFBM Monitor Lizard Komodo
CFBM King Viper
CFBM King Cobra
CFBM King Python
CFBM Vipress
CFBM Cobress

All ships of the Colonial Fleet are Sub-Spaced, ready for battle when orders are given.

Range Limit: 15 km - 4 050 000 km (from starships at warp)
Warp Speed: 110% of warp factor of firing ship
Sublight Speed: up to a 70% higher velocity (maximum velocity = initial velocity + .70 × initial velocity/ c {or Vmax = Vi + .70 Vi/c}
Shield Scan Range: 6 m
Developed: 2375
Operational Since: 2375
Yield: 350 isotons
Warhead: Protomatter that's ignighted by and reacted upon by antiprotons

Thats a hell fire

also note that thas just a SW fan site bashing on st we all have them

It's an SW fan site that uses canon sources for both series and then compares them. Also, 350 Isotons is less than a kiloton. Most modern tech nations have nukes more powerful than that.

OOC: Listen, this war doesn't have to devlove into an ignore fest. Each side just has to give and take a few things.

1. TFU, your phasers cannot modulate with SW shields. Just punch through them like everyone else.
2. CorpSac- Please keep the black hole weapons out of this. You don't want to permanently damage the system, right?


the system is mine anyway, this battle is in my front or back door Core Worlds has a colony in my space and i accepted that. anyway it means after this ends (unless it ends in a Ignore cannon war) i can see what my BH cannons (what i should re name since they dont crate a black hole just something like it) does to a planetary system. oh and Core Worlds if they system does get a bit er..... damaged we will gladly give you any system to settle a new colony on with a full 500 million Crs as well.

I use logic also.. j that doseint prove any thing ive equpied my ships with far more powerfull phasers trops and other things.

OOC:TFU, please post losses for Coreworlds Attack.

OOC:TFU, please post losses for Coreworlds Attack.

No just yet .. im getting more evdince

OOC: Fine, fine. I'm off for the night, anyway. Now post losses, or face an attack on you capital.

Your attack is ignored becuse all my ship yards are hevaly defneed in times of war plus they have mines around them !

And im not loseing more than 20 ships unless core worlds losses the same ammount ..... becuse im swarming all over him manuvering around his fleet and attacking im under rear and behind .

OOC: he did say that he destroyed defences, and besides, you wouldnt of been ready for it, and who says they were super important?

as i listed on aim my ships would have retlated and the mines would have been attached to his ships any way ill lose more ships when he losses ships

OOC:TFU, please post losses for Coreworlds Attack.

No just yet .. im getting more evdince
TFU im sorry but i pulling out of this if you dont sort your self out your being a little cry baby becouse no one is helping you and this battle is not goin your way. you cant win it all you know and like they say "you might have won the battle but the war is far from done" guess wat that means? (i ll leave that one to you TFU)
i ve posted what i have to tell you why my ships are not takeing that "Heavy losses" you badly want. you got to remmber i have about 3 fleets here Avg fleet has at lest 1 Nova Carrier thats 315 fighters. 3 skull class Carriers (thats 3x85 fighters) and all my capital ships have fighters on them. my ships are armed to the teeth in armor and weapons. and my battle ships havent even started fireing there Heavy Ion Cannons at you. reason for my ships to be armed the the teeth is becos i dont like shields so i added armor and created Endor just to give me that small bit of added protection.

OOC:TFU, please post losses for Coreworlds Attack.

No just yet .. im getting more evdince
TFU im sorry but i pulling out of this if you dont sort your self out your being a little cry baby becouse no one is helping you and this battle is not goin your way. you cant win it all you know and like they say "you might have won the battle but the war is far from done" guess wat that means? (i ll leave that one to you TFU)
i ve posted what i have to tell you why my ships are not takeing that "Heavy losses" you badly want. you got to remmber i have about 3 fleets here Avg fleet has at lest 1 Nova Carrier thats 315 fighters. 3 skull class Carriers (thats 3x85 fighters) and all my capital ships have fighters on them. my ships are armed to the teeth in armor and weapons. and my battle ships havent even started fireing there Heavy Ion Cannons at you. reason for my ships to be armed the the teeth is becos i dont like shields so i added armor and created Endor just to give me that small bit of added protection.

Look whos talking
1 : you were glassed one week ago since i heard soem one qouted that
2 : you still had the resorces to build a large space fleet humm thats weird When YOU WERE GLASSED.
3 : i should have ignored you if i knew you were glassed buy other nations ... but i didint know.

Your attack is ignored becuse all my ship yards are hevaly defneed in times of war plus they have mines around them !

And im not loseing more than 20 ships unless core worlds losses the same ammount ..... becuse im swarming all over him manuvering around his fleet and attacking im under rear and behind .
er... TFU like i stated the Rip into hyperspace had an effective range of 10,000Kms around the spot the omega would have been. so you would lose alot of ships there unless your spread thinly meaning someone could just jump behind you and started takeing you out from behind.
2nd off the Major part of your force is Attacking me so CW wouldnt take any losses or not 20 ships. and if you turned to attack him you would leave your flank open to me and my 3 fleets and i think you dont want to do that. what we have here is a clasical 2 sided war. on one side you have CW who is now attack you. on the other you have me who your attacking nad im also attackin you. TFU you just got yourself in a pickle here

Look whos talking
1 : you were glassed one week ago since i heard soem one qouted that
2 : you still had the resorces to build a large space fleet humm thats weird When YOU WERE GLASSED.
3 : i should have ignored you if i knew you were glassed buy other nations ... but i didint know.

Glassed er...English plz

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Mmk, and just when can we begin the battle? I posted the force being on stand-by because of a....conversatio....going on, so can we just admit that Losses are Losses TFU, like as if you can't rebuild? CorpSac, take some losses too, please, cause...well.....I dunno he DID attack. Anywho, I gonna be on TFU side, IF he gets his RP straightened up.

OOC: like i sead ive pulled out of this its between Core Worlds and TFU but i have a feeling CW is goin to pull out to (just guessing tho dont know if he is)

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My fleet, dispatched, whom shall I attack?!?!? Lol......Man, CorpSac, lets me and you have a.....Friendly War, with non-leathal weapons, sorta, lol. Like to see how well you rp! :D

Look whos talking
1 : you were glassed one week ago since i heard soem one qouted that
2 : you still had the resorces to build a large space fleet humm thats weird When YOU WERE GLASSED.
3 : i should have ignored you if i knew you were glassed buy other nations ... but i didint know.

Glassed er...English plz

Glassed is a term referring to a nation being carpet nuked.

OOC: Come to think of it, wasn't TFU glassed too?

Yes but in my time that was 200 years ago ... or well 300 since its the 2400 drs .. :wink: :arrow: :arrow:

LMFAO er...TFU i dont know who you been talkin to. the only time ive been attack like that was when Sha'Ra deternated a Antimatter bomb on my Earth Capital.
and that was last month i think, also my small skuffle with some larger nation yes destroyed my homeworld and my nation is on the brink on Civil war hence why i can only use 1/3 of my fleet. see TFU if you were'nt being such a Cry baby you would have won the war with me due to the fact that im on the brink of civil war and the houses with in my empire are goin to start a power war. but you've missed out on a fine chance to get anything from me now let alone a won war.

dont you just feel like an idiot (i know i would)

:roll:

see if you had read one of my post carfully you would have picked up the big clue that i was goin to be haveing a civil war. but being an person who didnt so you missed out. anyone elce would have read it and thought "ahh somethings happaning within his empire to stop him getting reinforcements"

OOC: Flamewar.. quit it already

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OOC: see TFU all im saying is that well you take it to heart to much, just becouse your goin to loses a sigle battle dont mean your goin to loses the war. here becouse Core Worlds got involed you started to cry about it and call in ships and not posting a loses. you dont read posts you just post your own thing. TFU to be a good RPer you need to READ what others post then think then post not read then post. if you ever do start to imporve then i would gladly RP with anytime. and also what do you expect to happen when you attack someone with no reason or corse?

:? :| wha ? ok look you said you were pulling out right then DONT POST HEAR ANY MORE please ? i dont need this clogged up with OOC comments its not even about me loseing the battle its about core worlds takeing losses he should have lost a lot more ships he hasint even lost a fighter .... and im shooting at them

he hasint even lost a fighter



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2. I'm taking losses. My fighters and frigates have died, but my Star Destroyer have powerful shields. It'll take a while for them to die, but I can, and will lose Star Destroyers.


OOC: Coreworlds is taking losses

Lol thats barely a good ammount of losses .. im swarming him from sevral diffrent diretions ....... not to metion useing all my fire power .. he has to at least lose 1 stardestoryer a few crusiers and some fighters and contunie postling losses as i contunie posting losses.

Lol thats barely a good ammount of losses .. im swarming him from sevral diffrent diretions ....... not to metion useing all my fire power .. he has to at least lose 1 stardestoryer a few crusiers and some fighters and contunie postling losses as i contunie posting losses.

OOC:He hasn't been on. Give him time.

Well it shoudlint be that hard to punch though one layer of sheilding .... ui mean my ships have 5 layers of shilds plus arnmour like voyger had in the last epsiode ...))

Lol thats barely a good ammount of losses .. im swarming him from sevral diffrent diretions ....... not to metion useing all my fire power .. he has to at least lose 1 stardestoryer a few crusiers and some fighters and contunie postling losses as i contunie posting losses.

haha no u wernt you were swarming me, hitting me with alot of firepower, then cw got involved so u were fighting a battle on 2 side, then i pulled out of this war meaning your ships that were attacking me would have to move to get to him. do you even read your own posts?

(i had re enforcements moveing up what do you think i mean of my defaints white stars and other ships swarming from all sides when they warped in ...)

(i had re enforcements moveing up what do you think i mean of my defaints white stars and other ships swarming from all sides when they warped in ...)
true but you wouldnt be able to swarm him from all sides right away due to the fact that your ships have to come in from one point and come out at another point and if i remmber right Warp dont let you go though things.

Well it shoudlint be that hard to punch though one layer of sheilding .... ui mean my ships have 5 layers of shilds plus arnmour like voyger had in the last epsiode ...))

OOC: It shouldn't be that hard to punch through one layer of Startrek Shielding. Starwars shielding may be much more resistant to damage. Also...If you look purely at the stats, SW Turbolasers pump out quite a bit more energy than phasers. (Although it should be noted that the official star trek ship book wasn't designed to be used in a STvsSW war. Lastly, an Imperial Star Destroyer is just about a mile long, and carries roughly 2,000 people. A galaxy class ship only carries 800. The star destroyer has space for more weapons, and it was designed purely for combat, unlike federation vessels which are designed for exploration with combat as a secondary measure at best.

THis is tras warp ... not warp tras warp is varry diffrent ... also at warp 49 you can get from the milky way to andromida in a matter of moments though....
any way tras warp conduits can turn and shift .... also defiants can cloak along with a few other of my ships and your right my ships from your battle would move on to help me fight off core worlds. )
also Phaser and turbo lasers are just as power full as eatch other even core worlds proved that and my ships are more heavly equpied note ... than regualr fed vessals ... so they are desined for combat hear but may not be in the show ... and my sheilds are baced on borg tech to .

warp 49 i would love to see you try, dirty gravermetic forces would rip it apart you would need a mightly powerful Gravermtic dampener and that would be kinda large. then you also have to put into acount any stars, black holes etc you pass going at that speed you wouldnt have much time to react adn that would then incress (for a short period) the gravermetic forces around the ship. anyway brogs use Trans warp conturwants (how ever you its spelt) that are basicly artifical wormholes (if you watch the final episode of voyiger you would know what i mean) to traval Vary large destances.

OOC: IIRC correctly, in the series, the federation never got transwarp drives to work. While the concepts were understood, the supporting technologies that we required to make a transwarp drive work and not destroy the ship didn't exist. Also, wasn't there a barrier in the galaxy that prevented entry and exit? (Several episodes of the original star trek prove this.)

Lastly, while your transwarp drive may be faster than lightspeed to the nth degree, your communications aren't that fast. They are either based on subspace recievers (which are that fast, but are incredibly vlunerable to attack) or ship-ship communications, which are slow and short ranged.Besides, if you call up all your ships to this battle, what will be left to defend your planets from ground assault?

Yes i know but ships can do that ...my ships any way if they only have a traswarp drive on bord itsa almost the same as traswarp drive and no it wouldt be riped aprat if it had a dampning feild around it.
We use tacyon communcations as well as sub space commnuications and i have a lot more ships than you think most are defending my planets ship yards and stuff. ))

Yes i know but ships can do that ...my ships any way if they only have a traswarp drive on bord itsa almost the same as traswarp drive and no it wouldt be riped aprat if it had a dampning feild around it.
That dampening field would have to be incredibly strong, much stronger than anything the federation or even the borg could come up with. The borg relied primarily on advanced composites to survive transwarp jumps.
Also, what CorpSac said still stands. You would need to calculate your route before you go to transwarp, otherwise you run the risk of hitting a planet or something. And since you are going so fast, your ships wouldn't be able to stop immediately or they would be torn appart. They would have to slow down gradually.

And at speeds like that, you couldn't change direction very much without slowing down first.

I used fed baced tech but i modify it to be cutting edge and more power full so stop trying to bust me up will ya ?

we're not trying to "bust" you were stateing fact, see im not a treky but i do know some things. what your saying even in ST would be well vary unlikly. and yes it would be riped apart if it had DF around it becouses if your DF is not strong to with stand the Gravermetric forces then it would still rip it self apart. TFU think befor you speak

The Kir'la class gunships, having crept into position behind the Fedral Union fleet, open fire. Each accelerates to maximum speed, rapidly overtaking the larger Fedral ships, and attacking weakpoints with carefully aimed ion beams.

At the same time, the two battle groups began the Kauyon manuevre, high speed ships sweeping quickly to engage the ships attack the CoreWorlds star destroyers, and the slower ships moving into position to fire their Spineguns at the attacking defiants and white stars.

(all right im pulling out eneded )

Alll fedral ships jump and warp back to defnseive postions and star baces any attack will be twarted ENDED ! now leave me be.

"Hey, sir! Looks like we won this battle." A crewman aboard the Starkiller said, as TFU craft start retreating.

"Yes, but we haven't won the war yet. What's the status on the enemy shipyards?" The captain said.

"Unknown so far. I suspect the other fleets are still in action."

"All right. Time to change tactics. Make necessary repairs, and then head into hyperspace."

"Yes, sir."

"Hey, sir! Looks like we won this battle." A crewman aboard the Starkiller said, as TFU craft start retreating.

"Yes, but we haven't won the war yet. What's the status on the enemy shipyards?" The captain said.

"Unknown so far. I suspect the other fleets are still in action."

"All right. Time to change tactics. Make necessary repairs, and then head into hyperspace."

"Yes, sir."

Leave me be you won your stupid battle go glaot else war Stay out of FEDRAL SPACE! i hear buy delgate the Creation of the Nurtral zone like the romulans and fedration did .. if you dont accept be prepared to be twarted on your attacks.

OOC:I'm bored,so,I'll blow some stuff up.Please note that this entire thing has been under surveillance since the beginning.And I know it looks cowardly me putting in so late,but I was away so bare with me.

IC:And so they arrived.Having pinpointed the location of the remainder of the TFU fleet(and starbases..whatever..)15 Diablo VI Class Battlecruisers hyperspace in;in a roughly spherical formation.Also,some 30 Obsidian frigates pulled in aways off as a mop-up force.2 NR-300 carriers arrive,disgorging their fighter compliment.

In an astonishing maneuver, the President has ordered all ships to stand down and return to friendly territory in preparation for a cease fire, and implores all allies to begin a cease-fire, as well.