NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: You'll have to excuse me, but since when did Daylam have all of this tech and weaponry...and the forces to combat Iran's hunreds of thousands of soldiers and defeat them instantly? I thought you were a small community in the far north of the country...not near Turkey. If you would like, I can have the Merkava divisions in Iran go to meet the T-72s (which the Merk. IIIDs and IVs will have no problem with, as the Merkava I had no problem defeating it in the 70s). Eye Ran is still in this.

Bedou, that's certainly pushing it to the limits...but since I have the huge Gatekeeper units in the same area armed with scores of powerful air-to-air missiles my commanders not too worried...so long as you don't ram them with those floating pointyness-es. I'll check on the stats and get back to you.

OOC: Excuse me, but Eye Ran isn't in this.

OOC: You'll have to excuse me, but since when did Daylam have all of this tech and weaponry...and the forces to combat Iran's hunreds of thousands of soldiers and defeat them instantly? I thought you were a small community in the far north of the country...not near Turkey. If you would like, I can have the Merkava divisions in Iran go to meet the T-72s (which the Merk. IIIDs and IVs will have no problem with, as the Merkava I had no problem defeating it in the 70s). Eye Ran is still in this.

Bedou, that's certainly pushing it to the limits...but since I have the huge Gatekeeper units in the same area armed with scores of powerful air-to-air missiles my commanders not too worried...so long as you don't ram them with those floating pointyness-es. I'll check on the stats and get back to you.
Not to mention that I use the T84-120 as my main MBT, and Black Eagles distributed to elite units. Plus air support from Ka-50s and Mi-28's. Plus about 4,000,000 ground troops.

OOC: You'll have to excuse me, but since when did Daylam have all of this tech and weaponry...and the forces to combat Iran's hunreds of thousands of soldiers and defeat them instantly? I thought you were a small community in the far north of the country...not near Turkey. If you would like, I can have the Merkava divisions in Iran go to meet the T-72s (which the Merk. IIIDs and IVs will have no problem with, as the Merkava I had no problem defeating it in the 70s). Eye Ran is still in this.

Bedou, that's certainly pushing it to the limits...but since I have the huge Gatekeeper units in the same area armed with scores of powerful air-to-air missiles my commanders not too worried...so long as you don't ram them with those floating pointyness-es. I'll check on the stats and get back to you.

OOC: Excuse me, but Eye Ran isn't in this.
Okay good, that means if you ignore me I can throw my whole military against Daylam. Thanks! (not like I would need much to defeat the both of you, anyways.)

OOC: Just a reminder... No future tech, sci-fi stuff, or anything else except modern tech. Also, no WMDs unless each party agrees to it.

Are my speeder bikes ok? (Star Wars but with a 7.62mm machine gun instead of the laser)

If not I just need to use the older version, which used a shaft driven fan, JSF style.

OOC: No, they are not. But, I don't know.

Western Asia has this massive cruise missile launcher thing.
Bedou has this 'blimp' thing.

oh well.

Western Asia - post in the diplomacy thread. When are we going to get the diplomacy stuff started?! We can't do two or three posts per day. We aren't going to get anywhere like that.

Since this is Al-Anbar's thread and he ignored Eye-Ran, I assumed I wouldnt have to fight him.

Ok, I started my own thread for our war.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124348

Too bad Al anbar ignored me, or maybe he could help you out.

OOC: Just a reminder... No future tech, sci-fi stuff, or anything else except modern tech. Also, no WMDs unless each party agrees to it.

Are my speeder bikes ok? (Star Wars but with a 7.62mm machine gun instead of the laser)

If not I just need to use the older version, which used a shaft driven fan, JSF style.

OOC: No, they are not. But, I don't know.

Western Asia has this massive cruise missile launcher thing.
Bedou has this 'blimp' thing.

oh well.

OOC:
I figure they're less outragious, even if they are more futuristic they are a less omnipotent part of my fighting force.

They can't do much but scout and harass light helicopters and troops, even most APCs could ignore them...

Eh, either way...

OOC: you can compare it to the civil war.
The south says we are the confederacy.
The north says no, you are the southern states.
The North NEVER attacked another nation, they attacked rebels.
Iraq never attacked UK, it attacked rebels.
See, for the sake of this RP call it a sepratist fringe,
Soviet will of course call it a legit nation, that is geo-politics, despotism, and you cant get more mid-eastern.

OOC: eh, not really, though.

The way it is is this way:

Al Anbar was created from Iraq and Syria. There was a semi-autonomous zone in both the north and south of Iraq. The PUK and KDP (which was OOCly controlled by me) controlled the northern areas. I made an agreement with the PUK & KDP (OOCly controlled by me) to allow me back into the areas. If we go the way of Soviet and WA, then they want it to seem like the UK controlled the north, not the PUK & KDP, and make it look like I invaded them, which I did not.

OOC:Well I am going to assume tthe two major players in this RP, WA and AA, recieved Seglawi stats, saw that they are deridgeables(s/p?) High tech ones but nothing not entirely possible if not today then in at the most three years. The weapons are all moder day, not over stuffed with every defense and lethal offense. But I mean if it looked like the Goodyear, you go 'ha, what a joke' but it looks like what it looks like, so you say 'hey, wait , is that legal?'. Anyway, given I have recieved no nays, I will RP with my Airborne carriers.

*In Bedou*
"The Seglawi have landed in Oman."

"Good, the Omani situation changes things however. The tyrrant in Oman had to be removed, having him ask us to remove him was well...easier then could have been anticipated."

"Yes Mohammed, However we cannot back out of the current situation.
You must make sure that we are here for the duration."

"Yes Imam"

"Have you decided what to do if peace cannot be found in this matter?"

"Imam, I have been consulting the Qu'ran. The WA are of The Book, just as we are. They worship All-h, the one true God, merciful and great is he.
But our muslim brothers cannot be abandoned either, for we are them and they are us."

"All you said is truth Mohammed, but I did not hear an answer."

"Al Anbar, has agreed to back out of Kuwait, or at least it was seeming that way."

" I must think on it more."

Top secret telegram from Daylam to Al-Anbar and allies:


Despite our recent mobilization and threats to the WA-led coalition, we are not stupid. We realize a premature declaration of war could result in needlessly lost lives. We will wait for your assent before declaring war on the imperialists. We humbly request that you do not leak this information as it would be highly damaging to Daylami credibility.


---Sabbah

The following News Report was transmitted to West Asia concernign the status of Commodore Charters.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124355

Top secret telegram from Daylam to Al-Anbar and allies:


Despite our recent mobilization and threats to the WA-led coalition, we are not stupid. We realize a premature declaration of war could result in needlessly lost lives. We will wait for your assent before declaring war on the imperialists. We humbly request that you do not leak this information as it would be highly damaging to Daylami credibility.


---Sabbah

Message delivered by messengers

Al Anbar has no wish to declare war on the Zionist entity. We wish a peaceful resolve to this conflict, but we will stand up for our land and for Muslims and Arabs everywhere should the Zionists attempt to steal our land.

OOC: Also Bedou, if it does anything to sway your mind, Western Asia is not composed of true Muslims. They have Israel in their nation, along with Turkey, both with horrible records as far as Islam and Arabs go.


Return message, also sent by a messenger to Al-Anbar:

Our sentiments agree exactly. Our men are always ready to defend Islam should the need arise. We await the next move.

OOC: Sorry about not being on, I had some problems I had to deal with.

WTNN NEWS

Following Watertests Declaration of war against Al Anbar, over 450,000 soldiers were called up into active duty to serve as a possible invasion force into Al Anbar. Watertest is relying more on technological superiority rather than overwhelming numeral strength. If Al Anbar does not back down, thousands of soldiers and vehicles will embark from Sicily to the Persian Gulf, where they will commence the liberation of Kuwait and a possible invasion of Iraq and Syria.

Secret IC

Four JE-3 spy planes set off from Rogers Air force base in Eastern Sicily. They are ordered to take aerial photos of troop positions, supply lines, major industries, fortifications, communication towers, airports, fuel depots, and oil reservations for possible bombing runs and cruise missile attacks.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/02/10/sprj.irq.wrap/top.u2.jpg
(OOC: This is a picture of a JE-3, not a U-2 :wink: )

OOC: Uh, Watertest, are you going to go at this war alone? No one is at war yet.

Secondly, I've already withdrawn from Kuwait (more or less, just some troops to keep law and order there until a new government is made up).

Thirdly, WA and I are trying to make peace and have sent delegates to _Taiwan to try and negotiate a peaceful resolution to this.

OOC: Uh, Watertest, are you going to go at this war alone? No one is at war yet.

Secondly, I've already withdrawn from Kuwait (more or less, just some troops to keep law and order there until a new government is made up).

Thirdly, WA and I are trying to make peace and have sent delegates to _Taiwan to try and negotiate a peaceful resolution to this.

OOC: I'm not going to invade you, I just needed to do something so I don't have a declaration of war and no response after that.....it just looks kind of....wimpy.
:oops: :oops:

The First Casuality?

At the main anti-aircraft radar center just south of Baghdad, a blip appeared on their screens.

"Amid! Amid!" called an operator from in front of his radar screen.

Amid Abdul Naqib, Amid being Major, quickly walked toward his radar operator's station.

"Radar stations near the al-Rashid military base in the south of Baghdad have picked up an unidentified aircraft. I have confirmed it is not one of ours, however." explained the young radar operator.

Amid Naqib watched the screen for a moment.

"Order the firing of all SAMs and AAA in the sector." ordered the Amid.

Quickly, the radar operator began to punch in the launch codes. Seconds later, two SA-20 missiles, two SA-10 missiles, one SA-6, and one SA-2 missile, with an array of AAA fire from 23mm and 57mm AAA cannons.

(OOC: Radar & missiles are improved versions of the one that tracked and shot down the USA F-117 Stealth Bomber in Yugoslavia in 1999. Either Soviet or Watertest can claim this.)

OOC: Uh, Watertest, are you going to go at this war alone? No one is at war yet.

Secondly, I've already withdrawn from Kuwait (more or less, just some troops to keep law and order there until a new government is made up).

Thirdly, WA and I are trying to make peace and have sent delegates to _Taiwan to try and negotiate a peaceful resolution to this.

OOC: I'm not going to invade you, I just needed to do something so I don't have a declaration of war and no response after that.....it just looks kind of....wimpy.
:oops: :oops:
OOC: Yes but you just ruined the fragile peace. Everone else is backing down and negotiating, even I've submitted to third party inspections. And you come in and ruin it. No nation will be willing to negotiate whilst fighting continues... way to go. Essentially you;ve ruined what we all worked so har to create, and for what? You were bored? Looked whimpy? Please!

The First Casuality?

At the main anti-aircraft radar center just south of Baghdad, a blip appeared on their screens.

"Amid! Amid!" called an operator from in front of his radar screen.

Amid Abdul Naqib, Amid being Major, quickly walked toward his radar operator's station.

"Radar stations near the al-Rashid military base in the south of Baghdad have picked up an unidentified aircraft. I have confirmed it is not one of ours, however." explained the young radar operator.

Amid Naqib watched the screen for a moment.

"Order the firing of all SAMs and AAA in the sector." ordered the Amid.

Quickly, the radar operator began to punch in the launch codes. Seconds later, two SA-20 missiles, two SA-10 missiles, one SA-6, and one SA-2 missile, with an array of AAA fire from 23mm and 57mm AAA cannons.

(OOC: Radar & missiles are improved versions of the one that tracked and shot down the USA F-117 Stealth Bomber in Yugoslavia in 1999. Either Soviet or Watertest can claim this.)

OOC:

I doubt it's ours, it's not the stealth that would make our planes hard to shoot down(an Avro Arrow is very unstealthy after all) it's the speed and altitude. The planes(after heavy modernization) are in the same performance class as MiG 25, 31 and SR-71s. If Watertest doesn't wanna go with this I'll RP it running away...

OOC: Well, actually, Soviet...

My S-300 (SA-10) and S-400 (SA-20) can go atleast 30,000 meters. The highest a SR-71 has gone is between 24,390-26,000 meters... The SA-10 has a speed of 2.0km/sec while the SA-20 has a speed of 4.8km/sec. So, I should be able to hit yours. SA-6 could also hit you, as it has a max. altitude of 24,400 meters.

SR-71: http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/srrcd~1.htm

SA-6: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/sa-6.htm

SA-10: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-300pmu.htm

SA-20: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-400.htm ( the big missile)

OOC: Sorry, busy doin' other stuff most of the past two days.

Al Anbar, I have replied in the other thread and am ready to start there. As for the status of Eye Ran, let's agree that he can do combat with Daylam in another thread and that I can pass aircraft or whatever over his territory but he will remain a non-combatant for now vis a vis Al Anbar-WA stuff.

As for military, most of my units are just waiting...tanks and artillery lined up but only movement is supply chains moving materiel up to the front so it's accessible 'just in case'.

Oh, and the Gatekeeper tech is actually limited to about the late 80s 'cept for some guidance systems and the defensive missiles (which are modern Israeli). Nothing I use really breaks the 2020 tech level...most is c. 2001.


Daylam, sorry about the confusion there...I was rushing out the door at the time and it sounded like you had thousands of tanks that might actually crush Iran/Eye Ran.

As for "horrible records" I think you're mistaking unreligious (secular) governments for anti-religious statements. Israel is actually very good about Muslims living within Israel and was good with most of the Palestinians for almost a decade, with almost roadblocks, no real check points, and free access to jobs in Israel without question...but Arafat and his goons, who I might say are insults to Islam, don't get their money and power from the wealth and prosperity of the Palestinian people. Turkey has had a secular government which has allowed it to advance stupendously in terms of national security, the strength of it's armed forces, and it's political connections (and financial issues, which are still problematic but better than if they'd been without the secular power). As for Turkey, it's main issues have been the horrid treatment of the Kurds and Armenians. I've roleplayed as Turkey at one Model UN conference before and am set to do so at Berkeley this spring...Turkey is complicated but hardly anti-islamic (there's actually been an islamic resurgence in the government recently).


Bedou, I missed the stats but w/e.

OOC: haha, 'Arafat and his goons', and Palestinians being treated good in Israel. hah. Thanks for the laugh. :lol:

But, anyway, if Daylam wants to fight Eye Ran go ahead. As long as it has nothing to do with this war, all is good.

OOC: I have already agreed with Eye-Ran, he misunderstood. My tanks were massing (if you can call it that) on the RL Iranian [neutral], not the Eye-Ranian border.

I dont have thousands of tanks that could easily wipe Iran (RL Iran) off the map. The strategy was similar to Japan's in the Russo-Japanese war. Contrary to popular belief, Russia was on the verge of winning that war. Thousands of reinforcements were on their way. Japan had struck relatively fast, conquered a lot in a blitzkrieg, then quickly made peace and took some territory. That was the strategy in a possible war on Iran. Beat down the few forces around Tehran and the northwestern provinces, then come to terms.


On to your other stuff, what a joke. Arab-Israelis cannot even serve in the army, and for the longest time couldnt vote or hold certain jobs. If you call taking revenge for tanks rolling through and wiping out villages greed, you are insane.
As for Turkey, I was referring to the Ottoman Empire. Turkey's government is the direct successor to the Ottomans, who drafted Arabs into their armies, conquered and colonized Arab lands and forces them into imperialism much like the Europeans did to Africa.

In the inner sactum of Alamut, the Aga Khan received word of the destruction of an UFO in Al-Anbari territory. Most likely a spy plane sent by a hostile nation. Every day Daylami protestors filled the streets, their signs speaking their radical Ismaili Muslim attitudes.

"Kill the Imperialists!"

"Defeat the traitorous Iranians!!"

"Is Daylam to be cowed?"

"The Imam is a liar!!"

"Conquer more territory! We are out of room!"

And every day the Aga Khan endured their shouts. All civilians had been de-armed long ago, though they had always had the support of the populace before.
The Imam turned to his CoC. "What can we do, Sabbah?"

"If we do not act soon, it will look as if we are an oppresive and cowardly government."

"Yes, but we dare not declare war on the more powerful of the coalition. Even Iran with its obsolete equipment poses a powerful threat with its innumerable manpower."

"Sir, soon we will have no choice. A possible limited war with Iran is risky, but the upholding of our government is top priority. It is our only choice, Imam."

The Aga Khan was not a simpleton. He knew the general was looking for the same fame in battle his ancestor had when he created the Ismaili state.

"We will wait awhile longer, Sabbah. War is a last resort."

On to your other stuff, what a joke. Arab-Israelis cannot even serve in the army, and for the longest time couldnt vote or hold certain jobs. If you call taking revenge for tanks rolling through and wiping out villages greed, you are insane.

Actually, many Arab-Israelis serve in the IDF...Jewish, Muslim, and Christian. There are special Bedouin and Druse units as well as groups for other Arab sects that have served with great distinction. You need to read up on the realities there. Non-Citizen Arabs (religion is not a matter, nor are all or even close to the majority of Muslims Arab) may not serve just as non-citizen europeans may not serve. Some non-citizen Jews (from the US and Europe) have the opportunity to serve since the founding documents of Israel included the provision that all Jews, no matter their origin, would be given citizenship in Israel if they wanted or needed it...there was no definition of what determined if someone was a jew or not (although the radical orthodox kibbutzniks would like to have only 100% back to several generations count, but they can go screw themselves) but that is part of Israel's policy.

All Arab-Israeli citizens can vote, without issue...they have since they've been citizens. Non citizens, as in any country, cannot legally vote nor can they hold certain jobs...you confuse citizens and non-citizens.

The majority of the Palestinian people, when interviewed by a Palestinian professor, made it clear that they did not like the militias, Hamas, IJ, or the PLO. In fact, these civilians have repeatedly said that they had it much better before the Intifadeh was begun by the militant groups. The militant groups and their leaders receive financial aid that is then rather quickly reduced to nothing as each layer of leadership takes something off of the top. Arafat is one of the wealthiest men in all of Israel because he's skimmed hundreds and hundreds of millions of USD equivalents in aid into his personal accounts and much of the rest is paid to militant groups for operations rather than any sort of infrastructure.

Tanks, and in deed Israeli military personnel, didn't even tread in the majority of the West Bank until the start of the Intefadeh as the PA was given full responsibility for over 80% of the territory (as they had agreed to care for in '93). The tanks didn't even roll in for the first several months of the Intifadeh. And not one Palestinian village has been "wiped out" by Israeli forces in the Intefadeh...to claim what you do only shows ignorance. Research some of the realities.

As for Turkey, I was referring to the Ottoman Empire. Turkey's government is the direct successor to the Ottomans, who drafted Arabs into their armies, conquered and colonized Arab lands and forces them into imperialism much like the Europeans did to Africa.

The Ottoman Empire drafted all citizens into its armies and conquered all of them and colonized all of them. The Caliphate did exactly the same thing but on a much larger scale. The Ottomans were actually fairly benevolent rulers who allowed local governments and minority groups a great deal of liberty within the numerous local governmental groupings. The Ottomans did no worse, and in fact much better, than many of their predecessors but they made mistakes in governing and could not hold their territory together (while becoming tangled in WWI on the site of the Central Powers, which gave the Britons and French an excuse to invade and divy up the lands...in fact, no distinct Arab nation outside of the Caliphate (which was actually a mix of numerous Muslims of all ethnic and racial groups) existed until they were made by Great Britain and France in the late 20s and early 30s. Israel was set to be made at the same time but its actual creation was delayed, in part, by WWII and in part by a desire to not upset the Imam of Jerusalem, who was collaborating with the Nazis in an attempt to have them move into the middle east and kill off the Jews there...Israel was made in the end since previous efforts to appease the Muslim leadership (like the creation of Jordan, which was initially designated to be a part of the new state, and a proposed two-state/split-state plan that was accepted by the Zionists but rejected by the Muslim religious leadership) had failed so miserably.

You should actually read about history sometime, but I don't have the time to give a more in-depth lecture at this time.

OOC: West Asia, could you post in my thread please?

OOC: You sound like so much Israeli propaganda. I, not acquainted with the facts? After the first Arab-Israeli war, way before the Intifadah began, Israel forced something like 500,000 Palestinians to flee into refugee camps, even though they had nothing to do with the war. Israeli tanks regularly make incursions into Palestinian towns, set curfews, and are currently in the process of building a wall to make it one big Palestianian ghetto. All under the guise of "oh we dont have enough security". Yeah, maybe a wall will keep away those revenging bombers... :roll:
Proof of Israeli tank incursions is found in reports such as when Israelis annihilated an entire neighborhood looking for one terrorist. Reports such as how a Palestinian child with chocolate in his hand was gunned down because he was out after curfew. How about the lunatic fundamentalist Jews that are settling on Palestianian? That is illegal, and Israeli promises to take them down have been a pack of lies.



Your knowledge of Ottoman and Caliphate history is equally flawed. The Caliphate, by which I mean the first (Umayyad, I believe), allowed only Muslims into their army. The Ottomans made slaves out of everyone, includng Arabs and Europeans, forced Islam upon them, and then sent them into battle. This was what the acclaimed Janissary corps was actually made up of. Slaves.
The Caliphate never had forced drafts, Muslim fervor for jihad alwasy supplied enough men when needed. Arab-Berber men were the military mainstay of the Umayyads through all their life.
Tolerance?! Dont even compare them. The Umayyads allowed non-Muslims to pay a small tax, equal to what Muslims had to pay. The Ottomans came around every so often and enslaved your sons.
Finally, the Ottomans suppressed many independance movements. How do you think TE Lawrence fought the Ottomans in Arabia? Because the Arabs hated them and wished to be free, so they signed up in huge numbers to fight them.


Dont lecture me on "history", I know all about it, I read it all the time.

<secret>
Reports have circulated around the various Haaregradian airbases in United Kurdistan of a RF-115 Arrow landing with heavy damage to the wing and fuselage. This includes a basketball sized hole thru the wing, a large section of missing bottom panel, a destroyed engine and a dead rudder.

The pilot recieved no injuries but the RSO was being treated for unspecified injuries.

The aircraft was scrapped after landing.
</secret>

After receiving permission from Western Asia units of the Romanian Armed Forces are bieng moved through Turkey via trains. 300,000 troops are being moved to the Iraqi-Turkish border with armored support from tanks divisions and mechinized infantry divisions. We request that Western Asia also give us permission to station aircraft in Turkish airbases. Should the war start up again we shall be ready to assist Western Asia.

Daily Military Briefing

At the daily military conference in Baghdad, hosted by Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan and Minister of Defense Sultan Hashem al-Tai, the first reports about a SAM launch was reported.

"Last night, air defense radars picked up a spy craft within Iraqi airspace near the al Rashid Military Base in the south of Baghdad," explains Ramadan, "our glorius air defense fired on the aircraft and chased it out of Al Anbar, back to Turkey."

"Let us warn the Zionist entity and their friends, Al Anbar will not stand for such infractions of our airspace and sovereignty. Any further aircraft to enter our airspace will be seen as an act of war and will be destroyed by the wrath of the people of Al Anbar. We will not stand for further infractions."

Military Situation

Iraq

Trenches and the such continue to be built all over the country. "Oil" trenches outside of Baghdad have been filled with oil and prepared to be put on fire once a battle starts. The same also goes for Damascus.

Military bases within Iraq and Syria have all but been abandoned by their garrisons. Tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, troops, etc. have all been removed from them.

Misc.

A new radio station has been reportedly transmitting from a transmitter in the city of Kirkuk. Patriotic music, encouraging UK Kurds, Soviets, and Zionists in Turkey/UK to abandon their positions. Station operates on a shortwave frequency, but is also relayed by several FM transmitters lined up along the border, such as that with the "Radio Palestine".

Everyday in Iraq and Syria there are pro-Saddam and pro-Government rallies. At one point, he appeared at a crowd in Baghdad, staying there for fifteen minutes before leaving. The event was videotaped and shown on Iraqi television many times during the day.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1050172790423_2003/04/19/stand.jpg
Saddam working the crowd.

http://www.cfpeople.org/military/031603/capt.1047739348.iraq_antiwar_protest_us_xjd112.jpg
Pro-Saddam rally in Damascus

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38184000/jpg/_38184657_saddamrally_ap150.jpg
Pro-Saddam rally in al-Hillah, Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38586000/jpg/_38586195_iraqidemo_ap_150.jpg[img]
Pro-Saddam rally in Saddam City, Baghdad, Iraq.

[img]http://www.onlineathens.com/images/101302/mideast_iraq.jpg
Another pro-Saddam rally in Baghdad.

A major, wearing the insignia of the Romania Office of Security and Inteligence walked into the office of Romanian Defense Minister Nicolai Moceanu. In his hand was a dockett full of pictures of spy satelites and other gathered info. He saluted Moceanu and handed him the report. "Keep me up to date as the events unfold, Major"

"Yes sir" the major replied and left the office.

After paging through the photos and reading the reports Moceanu picked up his secure telephone and called the Commander of Campia Turzil Airbase. He instructed the commander to prepare 10 of his BR-4 bombers for a possible bomber sortie.

OOC: jeez, we're supposed to be trying to keep the peace, not start a war. :)

ooc: better to be prepared then to be caught with your pants down and your willy blowin in the wind

ooc: better to be prepared then to be caught with your pants down and your willy blowin in the wind

:shock:

[quote="Daylam"]OOC: Also Bedou, if it does anything to sway your mind, Western Asia is not composed of true Muslims. They have Israel in their nation, along with Turkey, both with horrible records as far as Islam and Arabs go.


quote]
Actually the phrase 'Of The Book' in Islam refers to Islam/Christianity/and Judaism. All three are religions of Abraham, and it teaches in the Quran to have respect and kindness for any who are "of the Book" The book being the Old testament, or the Torah as it is known to the Jews who had it first, All three religions use the Old testament or Torah as the foundation of their faith, then Christians have the New Testament-Jesus- and Muslims have the Quran(Koran)-The Prophet Mohammed- The muslim word 'Allah' is simply their name for God.
So RPing a state of muslims concerned with Islamic truth as I do, and not the hate filled lies that you see preached by snaked tongued infidels, who use Allah for their own gain, I must consider my choices carefully, Muslims are bound to be merciful,compassionate, tolerant, and when provoked to fight vicsous and unrelenting. RL Bedouins are fabulous examples of 'good' muslims, little religious discremination, great hospitality, and a remarkable ability to make war. It is why Bedouins are repected in every Arab-Muslim nation in the world as what to aspire to be in faith. So, no.. jews and non-muslims doesnt an enemy make of the Bedou, we guessed at the Jew thing when we saw their flag.
You dont have RP all arabs as mindless jew killers.

[quote=Daylam]OOC: Also Bedou, if it does anything to sway your mind, Western Asia is not composed of true Muslims. They have Israel in their nation, along with Turkey, both with horrible records as far as Islam and Arabs go.


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Actually the phrase 'Of The Book' in Islam refers to Islam/Christianity/and Judaism. All three are religions of Abraham, and it teaches in the Quran to have respect and kindness for any who are "of the Book" The book being the Old testament, or the Torah as it is known to the Jews who had it first, All three religions use the Old testament or Torah as the foundation of their faith, then Christians have the New Testament-Jesus- and Muslims have the Quran(Koran)-The Prophet Mohammed- The muslim word 'Allah' is simply their name for God.
So RPing a state of muslims concerned with Islamic truth as I do, and not the hate filled lies that you see preached by snaked tongued infidels, who use Allah for their own gain, I must consider my choices carefully, Muslims are bound to be merciful,compassionate, tolerant, and when provoked to fight vicsous and unrelenting. RL Bedouins are fabulous examples of 'good' muslims, little religious discremination, great hospitality, and a remarkable ability to make war. It is why Bedouins are repected in every Arab-Muslim nation in the world as what to aspire to be in faith. So, no.. jews and non-muslims doesnt an enemy make of the Bedou, we guessed at the Jew thing when we saw their flag.
You dont have RP all arabs as mindless jew killers.

OOC: Ba'hai's are Abrahamic too.

OOC:Soviet, the term Christian includes several dozen individual religions.
Just like Islam, both terms cover the base of 'quilt' of like minded faiths.

Ba'hai's, however are not recognized as Abrahamic in origin.
I am not sure what theology you have read that teaches this, but Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, are the only recognized Abrahamic religions.

Ballu'lal-I forget how to spell the cats name. But the Ba'hai "prophet", taught a broad all encompassing religion, all major religions having some interconectivity to God(I am not sayying he is right or wrong) So recognizizng God, and being of the origins of Abraham are not the same.
But telegram if you want ot discuss it, I dont want to tern this RP into a theological debate.

IC:
*On board the 'Lawrence'*
Radio reports and radar contacts all confirmed a plane being shot down, though it still remained unclear who's it was.

"Inform the other Seglawi to send fighters aloft. Do not yet have them cross into the gulf. I want them in the air though. Anything that flys, dies.
No aircraft gets near this area, and none leave. Contact Sheik Mohammed and inform him to use the 'archer' to signal all the Naval vessels not attempt to cross the blockade until I give the order."

OOC: dummdeeedumm

Desert camouflage BDUs have been issued to troops in turkey as well as chem/bio suits...

OOC: Meh, chemical suits. :P

Hopefully they won't be needed.

In other news 100,000 troops and several tank divisions have been pulled back in order to fight off a possible invasion from WestUkraine. That leaves 200,000 or so troops along the turkish border plus armor.

Hopefully they won't be needed.

OOC: Of course not. Al Anbar doesn't use WMDs nor will there be any war, anyway. :)

Just a heads up AA:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124618

Just a heads up AA:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124618

OOC: WestUkraine is retarded.

Obviously...

Haaregradian spy satelites and spy planes are slowly building up a detailed look at the southern portion of Kurdistan.

A second RF-115 was lost, again the pilots returned. It is believed the wreckage would be in far too bad of shape for any sort of recoverable parts to be found within. All overflights have been banned, meaning the RF-115s and other, slower jets, will be peering sideways into Al Anbar controled Kurdistan.

Haaregradian vessels have been conducting live fire tests of various long range shells and missiles into ranges within United Kurdistan. Reportedly a scramjet boosted, satelite guided 420mm shell destroyed a bunker over 600 km from the launch point.

OOC: Do we have like 3 intertwined conflicts going on here? :shock:

Iraqi Satellite TV

Just two hours after the Haaregardian plane was shot down, Iraqi Satellite TV began to broadcast pictures from just outside "as-Sulaymaniyah, Iraq".

According to the reporter was shot down by the "glorius air defense forces of Al Anbar."

http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117wreck2.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117wreck9.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117wreck7.jpg

Outside Kirkuk, Al Anbar

The two truck-based Al Hussein 2 missile launchers had been setup for approximately twenty minutes. They had received orders to fire two 'Al Hussein 2' missiles into the United Kurdistan (Turkey part) city of 'Mihabad'. The crews were told that the missiles were being launched because of 'new aggression against Al Anbar', in an apparent reference to the aircraft that was shot down not too far from where they were.

The commander of these two missile launchers counted down on his watch to the fire time.

"10.... 9.... 8... 7... 6..." and so on.

Finally, it came time.

"Missile 1. Missile 2. Fire." ordered the commander.

Seconds later, the missiles were away and a bright orangey fuel trail was left in the dark sky.

Then, as quick as they fired, they packed up and dispersed the launchers to different locations, in order to defend against a retaliation against the launchers.

"We have incoming missiles!" the young private shouted as his radar screen lit up.

His CO walked over to him, put a hand on his shoulder and said, "You may fire when ready."

The moment he had trained for was here, the SA-16 Ghosthunter mobile SAM let a ripple of 4 missiles go at the incoming tactical weapons. The missiles homed in towards their targets, against two missiles, with 2:1 numbers a kill rate of 99.995% was probable.

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Within moments of the missiles being launched Theatre Marshall/General Yashin was being briefed on possible courses of action, the most obvious was a quick retalitory strike.

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Twelve A-34(upgraded Su 34) Fullback strike jets rumbled to life on their runways and took off, flying in the direction of Al Anbar, armed with 14 ARM-10 Killer missiles each, whatever their mission it would have a dramatic effect on any war, should they be successful.

Iraqi Satellite TV

Thirty minutes after the missile strike, which was unsuccessful, the "Iraqi Armed Forces News Bulletin" program appeared on the channel. The man, sitting behind a desk and wearing a army uniform, began to read out a statement.

"Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim."

"After warning the Zionist entity and their allies against overflights of Al Anbar territory without permission, the Zionist's ally 'Soviet Haaregard' has continued to breach the soverengty of Iraq. After shooting down the spy plane flying over our territory, a targetted strike was authorized against 'Soviet Haaregard'."

"Our glorius forces launched two Al Hussein 2 missiles at the military units based in the city of Mihabad, Turkey. The people of Al Anbar will show that we are not kidding. We will fight back. We do not make empty threats."

"Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar."

After the missile strike, Iraq, fearing a retaliation strike against air defenses, ordered GPS jammers to be turned on at all radar sites.

Air defenses all over Iraq were placed on high alert. Missiles and AAA were fully prepped to attack anything that appeared on their screens.

Iraqi Satellite TV

Thirty minutes after the missile strike, which was unsuccessful, the "Iraqi Armed Forces News Bulletin" program appeared on the channel. The man, sitting behind a desk and wearing a army uniform, began to read out a statement.

"Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim."

"After warning the Zionist entity and their allies against overflights of Al Anbar territory without permission, the Zionist's ally 'Soviet Haaregard' has continued to breach the soverengty of Iraq. After shooting down the spy plane flying over our territory, a targetted strike was authorized against 'Soviet Haaregard'."

"Our glorius forces launched two Al Hussein 2 missiles at the military units based in the city of Mihabad, Turkey. The people of Al Anbar will show that we are not kidding. We will fight back. We do not make empty threats."

"Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar."

This broadcast has been shown repeatedly on Haaregradian television since it's original airing in Al Anbar.

The people are angry and public support is at 65% in support of military action removing Al Anbar forces from United Kurdistan claimed lands. Fifteen percent of Haaregradians support invading Al Anbar and toppling Hussein from power, however most conceed that actions of that nature would be far overstepping our bounds.

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The A-34s continued south with their radars in SEAD/passive mode quietly listening for radar signals.

The ARM-10 was a standoff Anti-Radiation Missile with home-on-jam capabilities and a inertial guidance system in case all signals went dead.

It had low radar, infrared and launch signatures, making it difficult to detect until it was in visual range.

A total of twenty five missiles were fired at suspected Al Anbari radar sites from twenty five km away from the edge of the disputed zone, the missiles were good for another 75.

Is this still going on? I thought I would of ended by now...

Northern Iraq

Using mobile radars, including the Pantsyrs. They had been tracking the Soviet Haaregardian aircraft for sometime. When it became apparent that they were going to come into Al Anbar, it was decided to fire on them.

SA-2 and SA-6 mobile SAMs opened fire on the aircraft. Some eight SA-2 missiles and eight SA-6 missiles were launched at the aircraft from across the border in Iraqi Kurdistan.

After the firing of the missiles, the radars went to "switch on" tactics, which meant turning on the radar for only a few seconds, acquiring a target, and then switching off before they can lock onto the radar station. While more inaccurate, the missiles still have a reasonably good chance of hitting something.

Is this still going on? I thought I would of ended by now...

OOC: It's Western Asia and _Taiwan's fault. They are never around to RP in the peace thread. :?

*Aboard the Lawrence*

"Sir, we have reports of fire. DO we break the blockade?"

"No, we will not break the Naval blockade, back- off, and go over land."

Iraqi Satellite TV

Thirty minutes after the missile strike, which was unsuccessful, the "Iraqi Armed Forces News Bulletin" program appeared on the channel. The man, sitting behind a desk and wearing a army uniform, began to read out a statement.

"Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim."

"After warning the Zionist entity and their allies against overflights of Al Anbar territory without permission, the Zionist's ally 'Soviet Haaregard' has continued to breach the soverengty of Iraq. After shooting down the spy plane flying over our territory, a targetted strike was authorized against 'Soviet Haaregard'."

"Our glorius forces launched two Al Hussein 2 missiles at the military units based in the city of Mihabad, Turkey. The people of Al Anbar will show that we are not kidding. We will fight back. We do not make empty threats."

"Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar."

This broadcast has been shown repeatedly on Haaregradian television since it's original airing in Al Anbar.

The people are angry and public support is at 65% in support of military action removing Al Anbar forces from United Kurdistan claimed lands. Fifteen percent of Haaregradians support invading Al Anbar and toppling Hussein from power, however most conceed that actions of that nature would be far overstepping our bounds.

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The A-34s continued south with their radars in SEAD/passive mode quietly listening for radar signals.

The ARM-10 was a standoff Anti-Radiation Missile with home-on-jam capabilities and a inertial guidance system in case all signals went dead.

It had low radar, infrared and launch signatures, making it difficult to detect until it was in visual range.

A total of twenty five missiles were fired at suspected Al Anbari radar sites from twenty five km away from the edge of the disputed zone, the missiles were good for another 75.
OOC: What are you doing? Al Ambar is negotiating peace. Your nation knows this IC and you are starting a war people are desperately trying to avoid.

OOC: Watertest & Soviet Haaregard are both pushing for war, for some stupid reason, it would seem.

The way it is going it seems like this thing is going to get hijacked by warfreaks. Sigh.

CNN

Sheik Mohammed Bin Al Deeb announced today that he is placing a one billion dollar bounty on any aircraft violating Al Anbar airspace during the peace negotiations between Western Asia and AlAnbar.
The offer will be formally announced. Later today.
When asked for comment he on this strangest of gestures he had this and onlythis to say: "Can you put a price on peace?"

S-400 Launchers are bieng moved to Romanian positions on the west bank of the Tigris near Mardin. Air Force jets are also bieng put on alert to shoot down any aircraft deemed a threat to WA's or my interests. We will, however, not be operating offensively.

The Inaunan government wishes to help the Allied forces in their fight in the liberation of Kuwait. We wish to dispatch with the permission of the nations allied in the fight against Al-Anbar, six A330 Condor Stratotankers and four modified A300-600ST Vulture AWACS jets. We hope we can help provide refueling support and aerial and ground-based strategic information to Allied Forces. We hope for a rapid response. ASAP

Sincerely,
The Free Republic of Inauna

OOC: Where is Western Asia and _Taiwan?!

I want to get this over already, sigh.

I always get involved in slow moving RPs. :cry:

A total of twenty five missiles were fired at suspected Al Anbari radar sites from twenty five km away from the edge of the disputed zone, the missiles were good for another 75.
OOC: What are you doing? Al Ambar is negotiating peace. Your nation knows this IC and you are starting a war people are desperately trying to avoid.

OOC Rotovia: Al Anbar shot down one of our aircraft, we're not launching an invasion, we're appeasing our populace.

OOC Al Anbar: Our fighters never crossed into your territory, they stopped 25km from the RL Iraq border.

IC:

Haaregradian troops have been issued a ceasefire order from the President's office to ensure any trigger happy generals in the region don't go trying to stir the conflict any more.

On the other hand more Haaregradian C3 and AWACS aircraft as well as more SigInt, EW and recon planes are flying near, but never in Al Anbar airspace, monitoring communications and electronic signatures.

OOC: You're not supposed to have aircraft over my territory to get shot down. Afterall, I did warn everyone that I would retaliate for such things.

And like I posted: as it became apparent your aircraft were heading directly for Al Anbar, missiles were shot at them.

IC:

Communications had all but ceased from Al Anbar days ago. Military structure had been much more decentralized and loyal messengers were only used to deliver messages between troops, HQ, and Saddam.

Several radar trucks had been hit and destroyed, but they were quickly replaced by new radars. SAM gunners believed, however, that they must have hit something, as they were able to launch several missiles before their radar stations were hit.

Otherwise, it has been a quiet day for Iraqi forces based in Kurdistan.

On Iraqi Satellite Television, a small, quick, but catchy and smart tune had been created, and video of the wreckage of the Soviet Haaregardian plane was shown.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/f117005.jpg

http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117wreck21.jpg

A new strategy was needed, but for now a strange peace had returned to the area near the border of Iraqi occupied Kurdistan.

Haaregradian pilots mourned the loss of two of their own; Haaregradian generals planned how to fight an unorganized foe.

"We interrupt your regularly scheduled program for this important news bulletin. People of Al-Anbar, you are free!!!!You are free!!!! People of Al-Anbar, it is time to to revolt against your oppresor, the Sheik!!!"
The citizens of Al-Anbar who still had televisions, radios, and other forms of communications in working condition received the message that was transmitted from an Inaunan Air Force A-300-600ST Vulture AWACS.
The message continued by saying, "Fear not, Al-Anbarians, the Allies are your friends, they have arrived to liberate your Kuwaiti brothers and soon you will be liberated from the hard-line rule of the evil Sheik!!!"
On board Vulture 1, flight operations chief Jose Sanjulian ordered the continuation of the message. "Make sure this message is received by everyone in Al-Anbar and surrounding regions." "We need to make sure that word spreads that the Allied Forces are no pushovers and are to be taken seriously." "We need those Al-Anbarians who have suffered harshly under this dictatorship on our side."
Meanwhile, Vulture 2 was flying an orbit near Turkish airspace when it sent out a warning to all Allied Forces alerting them of a Scud-style missle launch. "This is a warning to all Allied Forces. Code Red. We repeat this is a Code Red alert!!!! Enemy missle launch has been detected. Enemy missle launch has been detected. Initiate anti-missle manuvers. Repeat. Initiate anti-missle manuvers. Destination is Allied carrier fleet in the Persian Gulf and surrounding areas. Assume defensive positions."

OOC: Inauna, with broadcasts like that, no one is going to believe anything you say. Al Anbar isn't ruled by a Sheikh. :P

And what of this 'SCUD' that you mentioned? It didn't come from us, so unless that is some more of your propaganda, you can't say it did.

And Soviet, whatcha mean by 'unorganized'? ;P Decentralized = 1000 times better than centralized command.

IC:

The people of Al Anbar got a good chuckle out of the Inauna propaganda broadcasts before switching back to the state-owned stations of Al Anbar.

OOC: Inauna, with broadcasts like that, no one is going to believe anything you say. Al Anbar isn't ruled by a Sheikh. :P

And what of this 'SCUD' that you mentioned? It didn't come from us, so unless that is some more of your propaganda, you can't say it did.

And Soviet, whatcha mean by 'unorganized'? ;P Decentralized = 1000 times better than centralized command.

IC:

The people of Al Anbar got a good chuckle out of the Inauna propaganda broadcasts before switching back to the state-owned stations of Al Anbar.

OOC:
A decentralized command would be more prone to break down of communications, not to mention it would be limited in the size of operation that could be mounted. On the other hand it would be very safe from assassination attempts as at best they might stop one small section.

OOC: Inauna, with broadcasts like that, no one is going to believe anything you say. Al Anbar isn't ruled by a Sheikh. :P

And what of this 'SCUD' that you mentioned? It didn't come from us, so unless that is some more of your propaganda, you can't say it did.

And Soviet, whatcha mean by 'unorganized'? ;P Decentralized = 1000 times better than centralized command.

IC:

The people of Al Anbar got a good chuckle out of the Inauna propaganda broadcasts before switching back to the state-owned stations of Al Anbar.

OOC:
A decentralized command would be more prone to break down of communications, not to mention it would be limited in the size of operation that could be mounted. On the other hand it would be very safe from assassination attempts as at best they might stop one small section.

OOC: Not really. It allows units to be moved around more swiftly, to deal with rapidly changing situations on the battlefield. For example, in WW2, with D-Day, Rommel had to wait hours and hours until Hitler woke up to approve the movement of tanks to the beaches. In those precious hours, the beaches had been secured and the Allies started to move inland.

I don't plan to launch an offensive, anyway. I plan to wage urban and guerilla warfare.

OOC: Not really. It allows units to be moved around more swiftly, to deal with rapidly changing situations on the battlefield. For example, in WW2, with D-Day, Rommel had to wait hours and hours until Hitler woke up to approve the movement of tanks to the beaches. In those precious hours, the beaches had been secured and the Allies started to move inland.

I don't plan to launch an offensive, anyway. I plan to wage urban and guerilla warfare.

OOC:

If the peace talks fail your best bet is to break that dogleg that I supply my land forces through. That would require a land offensive. Our plan is to cut off your forces in the disputed zone from supplies and wait for them to become less and less able to fight.

On board Vulture 1, "Sir, we are receiving word that the Al-Anbarians are laughing at our transmissions and mocking us. " These were the words that came out of Communications Specialist Maria Alvarez.
FOC Sanjulian's response was "Is that so?, they find humor in our transmissions." "Very well, let's have some fun then. " As soon as those words were said, FOC Sanjulian produced a wide grin.
A few seconds later, the state-owned radios and television stations had their regular programming interrupted once more and in its place were counter-culture programming. One television image showed people in the southern city of Basra rioting and burning pictures of General Anbar.
Those stationed close to radios heard chants of "Death to the General!!!! Death to the Infidel!!!!! He has lied to us all this time!!!"
One citizen screamed "That swine that we call of a leader will pay for what he did to our country." "He has no shame!!!" "May he suffer an eternal hell!!!"
Back onboard Vulture, Sanjulian said aloud to anyone listening, "Let's see what their response is this time."

On board Vulture 1, "Sir, we are receiving word that the Al-Anbarians are laughing at our transmissions and mocking us. " These were the words that came out of Communications Specialist Maria Alvarez.
FOC Sanjulian's response was "Is that so?, they find humor in our transmissions." "Very well, let's have some fun then. " As soon as those words were said, FOC Sanjulian produced a wide grin.
A few seconds later, the state-owned radios and television stations had their regular programming interrupted once more and in its place were counter-culture programming. One television image showed people in the southern city of Basra rioting and burning pictures of General Anbar.
Those stationed close to radios heard chants of "Death to the General!!!! Death to the Infidel!!!!! He has lied to us all this time!!!"
One citizen screamed "That swine that we call of a leader will pay for what he did to our country." "He has no shame!!!" "May he suffer an eternal hell!!!"
Back onboard Vulture, Sanjulian said aloud to anyone listening, "Let's see what their response is this time."

OOC: Where is Western Asia and _Taiwan?!

I want to get this over already, sigh.

I always get involved in slow moving RPs. :cry:

I think WA's been a bit busy lately.

Iraqi Television

Indeed, transmission near the border with Turkey, over whose airspace the Inaunians are flying, had been disrupted, but neither state television nor Inauna's broadcast got through clearly for anymore than a few seconds at a time.

People who had heard the few words that were audible wondered who 'General Anbar' was. The people shrugged it off as some sort of television from some other country and not Al Anbar.

*Open transmission to Saddam*
"President Saddam, I was unaware you had become a spiritual leader as well, the entire structure of your government has changed over night?"
Saddam, was forced to turn down the reciever volume as SHeik Mohammed's laughter bellowed.
"Ahhh, and they wonder why we hate them. Idiots think that every muslim leader is a Sheik. I like it when their men imatate the sound our women make joy , as if it was a battle cry. Sorry SaddamI just got a good laugh out of that."

"Major Sanjulian, the Al-Anbarians are at it again. They jammed our signal once more. " "I hear sounds of people laughing and taunting the Allied Forces via the airwaves. ", were the words of a systems operator.
FOC Sanjulian's words were "Is that so, they find our actions amusing. We have nothing to lose, but they have plenty." "Disrupt their airwaves, do whatever it takes, if it causes their television sets and radios to explode, then be it. " "Initiate hard spike on 3..2..1..Now!!!"
As soon as the order was given, Vulture 2 released a hard jamming signal that interrupted communications signals with all of Al-Anbar's media outlet.
Afterwards a dead silence imminated everywhere with only the sounds of static coming from the radios and images of snow on the television screens across Al-Anbar. Immediately a a middle-aged man wearing glasses seated in front of a desk appeared on television with an important message:
"We are seeing live images from Baghdad were the statue of Al-Anbarian leader Saddam Hussein has been toppled. People in the streets of Baghdad
are chanting "Down with Saddam!!!" "Down with Saddam!!!"
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200304/r1709_3661.jpg
Well, ladies and gentlemen, our duty for the day is done. Let's head back to base."

response changed to ignore ridiculous posts per AA's comments.

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OOC:

Inauna, please. You need to understand the concepts of "good RP" and "sensible RP". What you posted in your last three posts is neither of these.

Let's look, shall we?

1) If you talk in front of your television or radio, do other people listening or transmitting on that frequency hear you? No.

2) Secondly, there is no way you can 'jam' my television broadcasting. Sure, you can disrupt it so that what we both broadcast are gumbled and useless, but there is no way for you to eliminate my broadcasting facilities without bombing them. Same goes for radio.

3) Have you even read any of the posts in this thread? Why do you keep making up people? The Sheikh, 'General Anbar', etc? If you read just one page, you can be pretty much assess who leads Al Anbar.

4) Until you post something reasonable, you will be ignored for this thread. This also goes for your last post.

Romanian troops in the desert rejoice when "Uncle Saddam" appears! Out there in the desert they have nothing to do but race camels...

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1047749872897_2003/03/20/saddamspeech.jpg

Hey AA, can't we just start over and unignore each other? (even though I did NOT godmod the 1st time.)

Hey AA, can't we just start over and unignore each other? (even though I did NOT godmod the 1st time.)

OOC: well, seeing as you still can't acknowledge that you did godmod, no.

MY FORCES WERE TOTALLY REASONABLE!

OOC: Inauna, please leave and never come back to this RP...or my forces will shoot your planes out of the sky for violating our airspace.

SH and other WA "allies" please refrain from any unnecessary combat operations...all operations should be limited to defensive actions.

Bah, I'll be back to this soon.

West Ukraine allies itself with Watertest and officially issues a declaration of war against the illegal occupier of Kuwait, Al Anbar.
45 T 72s and 189 F16's and 57,000 troops are being deployed to the region to assist in ousting Al Anbar from Kuwait by launching an invasion of Al Anbar from the north.
The first phase of the attack as 125 West Ukraine made Igorian Stealth Bombers began their first bombing runs against Al Anbar military bases and government ministry buildings located through out Al Anbar.

OOC: WestUkraine, you're an idiot. Go away. Just like Iauna.

Several C130's escorted by long range fighters have appeared over Al Anbari occupied United Kurdistan.
They fly over the area and circle back around.
The circle around again and again enter Al Anbari airspace only this time, flying at a much lower altitude. The fighters have their advanced radar and communications jamming devices on. They are maintaining radio silence.
Low over the fields of the Kurdish village, small objects begin appearing out the planes. Apparently propaganda leaflets when viewed from a distance.
But at a closer location, one could make the outlines of parachutes.
Soon the sky was crowded with thousands of parachutes carrying West Ukrainian soldiers to the ground.

Telegram to Al Anbar: You are officially notified that it is violation of international law and the geneva conventions to shoot even a single bullet at any troops while they are still parachuting to the ground. Violations of these international laws will result in severe retaliation against your nation.

WestUkraine, go away.

All parties involved should ignore him.

WestUkraine, go away.

All parties involved should ignore him.
Why?

Because you are not involved! Plus you are a massive godmodder, you just pulled all those #'s out of nowhere, plus to attack from the north you'd have to go through Turkey, which you don't control. Plus you're a rampant godmodder

Because you are not involved! Plus you are a massive godmodder, you just pulled all those #'s out of nowhere, plus to attack from the north you'd have to go through Turkey, which you don't control. Plus you're a rampant godmodder
You haven't seen my nation.
The numbers are not only reasonable but pretty small compared to what everyone else, including you, are using. And no I don't necessarily have to go through Turkey. There is another route I could use.
But if I were to invade through Turkey, without their consent, it would mean I have ulterior motives.
You can't just throw it off as Godmodding.

Well, since Al Anbar is running this thread it's his call and he said to beat it.

If you want a war just invade Whittier or something

2) There is no other 'route' if you are invading me from the north. There is only Turkey, which is controlled by Western Asia, 'United Kurdistan' and also defended by Dr. Twist and Soviet Haaregard.
Not to mention my defenses.

OOC: Welp, lets see....

1) You need permission from Western Asia to come to Al Anbar, first of all. Your planes would be shot down by them and then whatever was left would be shot down by me.

2) There is no other 'route' if you are invading me from the north. There is only Turkey, which is controlled by Western Asia, 'United Kurdistan' and also defended by Dr. Twist and Soviet Haaregard.

3) You cannot be flying soo low to the ground to avoid detection, unless you want your paratroopers to go SPLAT on the ground. In any case, ground based AAA is still VERY effective against low flying planes.

4) While not godmodding or something, shooting on paratroopers isn't against the Geneva Convention.

5) You aren't involved with this. Don't you remember when you first announced your intentions in the 'RL Nation Claimed' thread and the other thread in NationStates forum and how everyone clamoured around to defend against you? You would die before reaching Al Anbar.

more stuff to come, but that's all I can think of at the moment.

Also, I'm changing the topic to (CLOSED). NO ONE ELSE ALLOWED. WestUkraine is no exception to that.

OOC: Welp, lets see....

1) You need permission from Western Asia to come to Al Anbar, first of all. Your planes would be shot down by them and then whatever was left would be shot down by me.

2) There is no other 'route' if you are invading me from the north. There is only Turkey, which is controlled by Western Asia, 'United Kurdistan' and also defended by Dr. Twist and Soviet Haaregard.

3) You cannot be flying soo low to the ground to avoid detection, unless you want your paratroopers to go SPLAT on the ground. In any case, ground based AAA is still VERY effective against low flying planes.

4) While not godmodding or something, shooting on paratroopers isn't against the Geneva Convention.

5) You aren't involved with this. Don't you remember when you first announced your intentions in the 'RL Nation Claimed' thread and the other thread in NationStates forum and how everyone clamoured around to defend against you? You would die before reaching Al Anbar.

more stuff to come, but that's all I can think of at the moment.

Also, I'm changing the topic to (CLOSED). NO ONE ELSE ALLOWED. WestUkraine is no exception to that.

I will leave your thread but first I wish to answer your points.

1. Turkey is not Iraq's only neighbor to the north. Iran is also.

2. I am unaware of WA owning Iran.

3. Flying close to the ground. C130's carring airborne troops don't fly close to the ground to avoid radar detection, they do this when the troops get ready to jump out the planes.
The ones that jump out at high altitudes are not airborne soldiers but specially trained HALO soldiers and not many people get that training so most people who get airborne training, jump out of the plane at low altitude.

4. And, shooting at paratroopers while they are still in the air is a violation of the Geneva Convention. But you can shoot the plane down before they jump out or while they jumping out. You just can't shoot at them until they actually touch the ground.

5. I said I was only mulling it over, and everyone reacted like I had already launched somekind of attack.

Hey WU, remember when you used CP to attack East Germany, then Xerlox helped East Germany and you ignored him because he was too big according to YOUR rules? Well this is Al Anbar's RP so GET LOST HE MAKES THE RULES.

1. Turkey is not Iraq's only neighbor to the north. Iran is also.

2. I am unaware of WA owning Iran.

Too bad, I own Iran but AA ignores me. He could have spared his hide!

OOC: WA controls most of the Med. Coast in this RP (Al Anbar controls WA normal claims along the Syrian coast due to agreed upon factors within WA-AA RPs) and WA forces are carrying out Combat Air Patrols over Iran as Iran (Eye Ran) has agreed to remain "neutral" but allows WA overflights and some positioning of defensive forces within its territory.

WU, every approach to the region from Europe or the major adjacent Seas is either covered by WA-aligned or AA-aligned powers...you would be shot down in a flash. Please remain out of this RP with the rampant warseeking...we're working on diplomatic negotiations before any hostilities will be allowed to break out. So if you will kindly keep out then that would be greatly appreciated.

OOC: WA controls most of the Med. Coast in this RP (Al Anbar controls WA normal claims along the Syrian coast due to agreed upon factors within WA-AA RPs) and WA forces are carrying out Combat Air Patrols over Iran as Iran (Eye Ran) has agreed to remain "neutral" but allows WA overflights and some positioning of defensive forces within its territory.

WU, every approach to the region from Europe or the major adjacent Seas is either covered by WA-aligned or AA-aligned powers...you would be shot down in a flash. Please remain out of this RP with the rampant warseeking...we're working on diplomatic negotiations before any hostilities will be allowed to break out. So if you will kindly keep out then that would be greatly appreciated.

If Iran was neutral, they would not allow planes from belligerent nations to fly over their air space. And since, Eye Ran is ignored, you can't claim to have planes in his airspace, unless he specifically gives you permission.
You can't rp for him that he is neutral but allowing your planes.
Even if he did, that is not neutrality but side taking.

OOC: He said I was permitted overflights...if you'd bother to read the RP up to this point. Al Anbar has ignored direct conflict/contact between himself and Eye Ran but Eye Ran is still acting as Iran for such supportive purposes (and Eye Ran is acknowledged by most other players as Iran anyways). The official note, as I can see it, is that Iran wishes to remain out of direct conflict but is supportive of WA's stated goals...officially the nation is not going to war but allows WA overflights and transits. This is how the RP is so far, if you have a problem with this then talk to Eye Ran and Al Anbar via TG...this is the wrong place and you're only disrupting this RP unnecessarily, please go away.

An hour after taking a mescaline pill a Haaregradian soldier sees Western Ukrainian paratroopers everywhere.

He trys telling everyone the Ukrainians are coming, they don't listen.

Four hours later he realizes he was just hallucinating and the Ukrainians are still in Ukraine.

OOC: Heh. :)

OOC:

Inauna, please. You need to understand the concepts of "good RP" and "sensible RP". What you posted in your last three posts is neither of these.

Let's look, shall we?

1) If you talk in front of your television or radio, do other people listening or transmitting on that frequency hear you? No.

2) Secondly, there is no way you can 'jam' my television broadcasting. Sure, you can disrupt it so that what we both broadcast are gumbled and useless, but there is no way for you to eliminate my broadcasting facilities without bombing them. Same goes for radio.

3) Have you even read any of the posts in this thread? Why do you keep making up people? The Sheikh, 'General Anbar', etc? If you read just one page, you can be pretty much assess who leads Al Anbar.

4) Until you post something reasonable, you will be ignored for this thread. This also goes for your last post.


OOC: What planet are you living on? Obviously, you do not pay much attention to actual warfare do you? Take a close look at the American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. They used C-130 Spectres to jam the airwaves and transmit their messages. You people are amatuers from what I can see. Don't tell that I have no clue what the hell I am talking because I had family who were involved in the first Gulf War.
As for Western Asia, you forgot that Armenia and Azerbaijan are also logical places to launch an air-based attack over Iraq without having to use Turkish airspace. Now, explain to me how Iran would be neutral in all this mess if it is allowing jets to fly over its airspace. That's a massive hypocrisy right there.
Here's a suggestion for you two amateurs. Here's something called a map, which you have no clue what one is.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/10/24/mideast.alert.02/middle.east.jpg
Its a map of the Middle East. 8)

So, for Al-Anbar and Western Asia, I suggest your read books;especially those big long ones with dates, yeah those are called history books.
In there you might find some useful information that will make this roleplay more legitimate. :lol:

OOC:

Inauna, please. You need to understand the concepts of "good RP" and "sensible RP". What you posted in your last three posts is neither of these.

Let's look, shall we?

1) If you talk in front of your television or radio, do other people listening or transmitting on that frequency hear you? No.

2) Secondly, there is no way you can 'jam' my television broadcasting. Sure, you can disrupt it so that what we both broadcast are gumbled and useless, but there is no way for you to eliminate my broadcasting facilities without bombing them. Same goes for radio.

3) Have you even read any of the posts in this thread? Why do you keep making up people? The Sheikh, 'General Anbar', etc? If you read just one page, you can be pretty much assess who leads Al Anbar.

4) Until you post something reasonable, you will be ignored for this thread. This also goes for your last post.


OOC: What planet are you living on? Obviously, you do not pay much attention to actual warfare do you? Take a close look at the American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. They used C-130 Spectres to jam the airwaves and transmit their messages. You people are amatuers from what I can see. Don't tell that I have no clue what the hell I am talking because I had family who were involved in the first Gulf War.
As for Western Asia, you forgot that Armenia and Azerbaijan are also logical places to launch an air-based attack over Iraq without having to use Turkish airspace. Now, explain to me how Iran would be neutral in all this mess if it is allowing jets to fly over its airspace. That's a massive hypocrisy right there.
Here's a suggestion for you two amateurs. Here's something called a map, which you have no clue what one is.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/10/24/mideast.alert.02/middle.east.jpg
Its a map of the Middle East. 8)

So, for Al-Anbar and Western Asia, I suggest your read books;especially those big long ones with dates, yeah those are called history books.
In there you might find some useful information that will make this roleplay more legitimate. :lol:

OOC: oh, wow, a map! Retard.

1) I don't care about anything over Eye Ran, since any attack that comes from Eye Ran will be ignored for Eye Ran does not exist in my 'realm'.

2) Jamming and taking over a frequency are two differen things. Go read about it.

3) If you are so smart, then who are these 'GENERAL ANBAR' and The Sheikh?! Have you READ ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD?

You still are ignored. Good day.

After the crisis at home abated More troops are bieng shifted back to thirty, unofficial estimates say between 30-40 thousand troops are bieng moved.

ooc:
you would only have a general idea of my forces but here is a total list of them:
Air Force:
50 MiG-29TV Sniper's
20 MiG-31 Super R's
200 MiG-45's
12 FR-38's
16 FR-40's
18 FBR-124's
80 Su-34's
66 Su-39's
6 Tu-160's
6 KC-767's
4 An-126's
5 KC-130's
10 OREL's
5 A-50's
25 Il-76's
30 C-130's
15 An-124's
80 S-400 Launchers

Fast Action Assault and Rescue(FAAR)
600 Operatives
15 BMD-3M's
20 BTR-90M's
60 BPM-97's
20 AS-565's
12 Mi-28N's

RPC
5,000 Troops
80 BMD-3MU's
380 TR-1500A3's
100 Wolverine AUCV's
80 Wolverine APC's
20 Wolvine Medical's
50 Wolverine ADATs
90 BTR-90M's
40 SA.332's
25 C-130J's
20 Il-76's
10 An-124's

Army:
90,000 troops
300 TDR-3000A2's
800 TR-2000A5's
1,000 Badger MICV's
200 Wolverine AUCV's
80 Wolverine APC's
50 Wolverine AT's
500 artillery pieces
100 TOS-1's
60 HIMARS
110 Smerch MLRS
90 Crusader Platforms
75 Wolverine ADATS
60 Mi-28RN's
40 AH-68'S
100 Mi-40's
30 SA.332's

1 Mountain Divisions with:
15,000 troops
50 Centauro's
60 Badger MICV's
40 Wolverine's
20 BTR-90M's
50 Light Artillery Pieces
50 Piranha ADATs
20 Uh-1Y's
20 SA.332's

OOC: For anyone who hasn't seen this before...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75646&highlight=

My Armed Forces. OOB, Equipment, etc.

(if you need specs for any of my stuff just visit my stores)

OOC: Inauna, your foolishness and willingness to budge into an RP where you just disrupt the carefully balanced events is the problem.

I am well-informed about middle eastern geography and politics and have studied ME political issues for at least 2 years now. I have recently been making my way through several "large books on history" about the ME focusing especially on the 1967 Six Day's War and the Lebanese Civil War, both dealing specifically with the tactical and strategic considerations of people on the ground. I have also read numerous other history books and the dates have less to do with history than do the sequence of events and the influences of differential technological, social, and environemntal factors. Personally I find history to be quite fascinating but it has no relevance to your argument, which is simply based on your own stubborness and foolishness. There are a lot of issues raised in history and reality that your posts violate, namely the willingness of a nation to rush into warfare with another for no reason and with no stated cause, suddenly making units appear over unfriendly air space and attempting to launch offensives without any means of supporting the units.

Now, for Electronic Warfare, you can broadcast over another channel at the same frequency (if it is antenna-based) but it requires a fair bit of power to do so. Al Anbar is right to say that the majority of EW jamming systems simply fill the employed channels with so much static and noise that they are incapable of being used to transmit clear messages...but he mistakes that for something other than jamming. The Spectres /do/ take such actions but were never in much danger of facing advanced air defense systems or enemy aircraft.

As for your plans, that air space is controlled by WA...Armenia- or Azerbaijan-based strikes would still have to pass through Turkish or Iranian airspace...which is heavily guarded by WA and WA-aligned forces. The ME is, indeed, isolated.

"Thanks" for the map suggestion, but I haven't made a geographic move in this RP without being aware of the geography of the region...which I know fairly well already and have several maps for in reserve. I know how to use a map, I also know the geography of the region...as does Al Anbar. You, apparently, fail to notice the space between Armenia and Azerbaijan and Iraq...namely the space filled by Iran and Turkey. I suggest that you spend a few more milliseconds examining your map next time.

As for Iran, I already explained that. Just as Turkey was "neutral" towards Iraq in the Second Gulf War but allowed US overflights (with some conflict) and as Israel and Jordan are not combatants but have allowed US military overflights to Iraq during combat operations, Iran has allowed WA overflights and even the positioning of some resources in Iranian territory for use against Al Anbari threats. Iran hates Sunni Iraq/Al Anbar almost as much as it hates anyone else so there's no reason why they wouldn't be willing to passively aid the (potentially) assaulting countries. You should read more about military tactics and international relations if you think that this is silly or unlikely.

Now, we've both asked you several times to cease your disruptions and we would appreciate it if you would leave without our having to ask a moderator to provide further 'encouragement.'

FYI, Armenia and Azerbaijan aren’t exactly friendly nations, so even aircraft from one nation would be endangered by the other. Recent evidence (http://www.news.com.au/common/printpage/0,6093,8737420,00.html). Heh.

I don’t usually say this, but Inauna, you’re about to be ignored.

Dibyarbakir Air Base, Turkey
4 officers of Attack Helicopter Squadron 16 walked into the briefing room and took their seat. About 2 minutes later their C.O. walked in. All 4 stood up at attention and were told to be seated.

"Tonight's mission is detailed in the dociers you have been given. Your mission is short and sweet, a quick flight into Iraqi Airspace to test their radar and air defenses. Your helos will have no armament on them but they will be loaded up with countermeasures. Should you get shot down we will deny having any knowledge of this mission, now turn in your dogtags and remove any insignia from your uniforms."

They did so, and exited the building. On the helipads were 2 flat black Mi-28NR's devoid of any insignia. They climbed into the cockpits and strapped themselves in. As the enigines began to warm up each man thought about the mission ahead.

They took off and headed out into the dark black sky to carry out their mission.

Whats going on is some 1 planning to invade? mmmm more nations to crush....

Whats going on is some 1 planning to invade? mmmm more nations to crush....

OOC: Western Asia and I are trying to make peace.

Air Defense, Northern Iraq

Air defense covered the entire border region, with an array of self-propelled and towed AAA guns, low, mid, and high range SAM missiles, and observation and radar posts spaced far enough, but still close enough to cover the entire area. Air defense coverage was extremely dense in northern Iraq, around Al Hasakah in Syria, and near Aleppo in western Syria.

As the Free Rumanian helicopters approached the border of Al Anbar, they were picked up by the radars on a company of ZSU-57-2 and ZSU-23-4 SP AAA guns. The extremely narrow beam of the radar makes the radar of the SP gun almost impossible to detect.

The AAA guns were in a perfect spot to trap low-flying aircraft. They were heavily camoflauged, in a hilly and full of trees area in the north of Iraqi Kurdistan.

The operators of the mobile AAA guns watched their radars carefully. They tracked the helicopters as they approached their positions unaware, it would seem. 3,000 meters... 2,500 meters, 2,000 meters... 1,800 meters.

Perfect, thought the commander of the company.

Quietly, he ordered the guns to begin firing. Seconds later, tracers and red hot AAA rounds were streaming from four ZSU-23-4 (4 23mm cannon), and six ZSU-57-2 (2 57mm cannons).

As the crews flew on into Iraq they figured the going was way to easy...Just as the gunners radioded that they saw something with their NV equipment the guns opened up, sending tracers flying by the helicopters. They broke formation and their 30mm cannon's opened up with AP rounds on the origins of the tracers before turning back. Just as they began one of the Mi-28's was struck in the engine compartment and began blowing smoke. The tail rotor lost power and the craft began to loose control. The crew was ordered to eject(the Mi-28 is one of the world's only helicopters with ejection seats). The main rotor blew off and the crew compartment followed. As the parachutes deployed the other Mi-28 flew a halo around the area of the crew before deeming the area safe to land. After setting down the downed chopper crew climed into the cramped compartment just big enough to fit 2 people(the Mi-28 has this too, look it up). Just before taking off again the 30mm cannon was turned on the crashed Mi-28 to make sure the Iraqi's can't get any info from it, then the remaining chopper lifted off and headed back to Turkey

Western Asia was in trouble? He should have told me! (I am currently war hungry)

:evil:

OCC: The Dr_Twist Goverment has called a meeting for a possible invasion of Al Anbar

OCC: The Dr_Twist Goverment has called a meeting for a possible invasion of Al Anbar

I know I shouldn't, and I'd like to remind all that in the real world I am a pacifistic no-kill "Imagine" kind of person, but......

:twisted:

If peace is not declared, we can have a good amount of troops and equipment out to help. Just TG me.

OCC: The Dr_Twist Goverment has called a meeting for a possible invasion of Al Anbar

I know I shouldn't, and I'd like to remind all that in the real world I am a pacifistic no-kill "Imagine" kind of person, but......

:twisted:

If peace is not declared, we can have a good amount of troops and equipment out to help. Just TG me.

OCC: if you see a thread pop up have a look and help out if you wish, ill have a lot of nations there helping me like allways, i am good when it comes to International politic's and very able to get a lot of backing to take on anything. So yer more is allways welcome if nothing is sorted soon, i want this to end.

Western Asia was in trouble? He should have told me! (I am currently war hungry)

:evil:

OOC: I'm sorry, but please read the title: CLOSED.

After setting down the downed chopper crew climed into the cramped compartment just big enough to fit 2 people(the Mi-28 has this too, look it up). Just before taking off again the 30mm cannon was turned on the crashed Mi-28 to make sure the Iraqi's can't get any info from it, then the remaining chopper lifted off and headed back to Turkey

OOC: There is no such thing.

After setting down the downed chopper crew climed into the cramped compartment just big enough to fit 2 people(the Mi-28 has this too, look it up). Just before taking off again the 30mm cannon was turned on the crashed Mi-28 to make sure the Iraqi's can't get any info from it, then the remaining chopper lifted off and headed back to Turkey

OOC: There is no such thing.
http://www.maks.ru/expo/113/prod_1176.htm
Crew Survival is Provided by Means of:
-Ballistically tolerant (up to 20-mm calibre);
-energy absorbing seats and airframe structure;
-parachute escape system at altitude exceeding 100 m.;
-evacuation compartment for 2-3 persons.

http://www.maks.ru/expo/113/prod_1176.htm
Crew Survival is Provided by Means of:
-Ballistically tolerant (up to 20-mm calibre);
-energy absorbing seats and airframe structure;
-parachute escape system at altitude exceeding 100 m.;
-evacuation compartment for 2-3 persons.


OOC: Well, it's only listed on that site. Besides 'evacuation compartment' doesn't mean it has a gun nor can it lift off. globalsecurity.org, fas.org, and several other websites do not list anything other than the fact that you can eject. Therefore, no.

After setting down the downed chopper crew climed into the cramped compartment just big enough to fit 2 people(the Mi-28 has this too, look it up). Just before taking off again the 30mm cannon was turned on the crashed Mi-28 to make sure the Iraqi's can't get any info from it, then the remaining chopper lifted off and headed back to Turkey

OOC: There is no such thing.

OOC:


...other notable features are a far higher level of survivability and the provision of a small compartment on the left-hand side of the fuselage, probably for the rescue of downed aircrew.
-pg207, entry on the Mil Mi-28 'Havoc'


Sorry for not having a websource, but it seems he's not making it up.

http://www.maks.ru/expo/113/prod_1176.htm
Crew Survival is Provided by Means of:
-Ballistically tolerant (up to 20-mm calibre);
-energy absorbing seats and airframe structure;
-parachute escape system at altitude exceeding 100 m.;
-evacuation compartment for 2-3 persons.


OOC: Well, it's only listed on that site. Besides 'evacuation compartment' doesn't mean it has a gun nor can it lift off. globalsecurity.org, fas.org, and several other websites do not list anything other than the fact that you can eject. Therefore, no.

OOC:

I'm pretty sure he ment the still flying chopper shot the downed one after picking up the pilots...

...other notable features are a far higher level of survivability and the provision of a small compartment on the left-hand side of the fuselage, probably for the rescue of downed aircrew.
-pg207, entry on the Mil Mi-28 'Havoc'


Sorry for not having a websource, but it seems he's not making it up.

OOC: That doesn't mean anything. It doesn't say it can take off nor that it has a gun. I doubt that any such thing exists, since it would probably be damaged when the helicopter crashes or when AAA/SAMs hit the helicopter. How can you fit another helicopter (engine, fuel, gun, and space for two people) into a helicopter that does the same? and then keep it protected?

Plus it says 'probably' and 'rescue'. If it is able to take off by itself, then it is not 'rescuing' itself, so that makes no sense.

Besides, on the sides of the fuselage, is where the engines are located.

http://www.maks.ru/expo/113/prod_1176.htm
Crew Survival is Provided by Means of:
-Ballistically tolerant (up to 20-mm calibre);
-energy absorbing seats and airframe structure;
-parachute escape system at altitude exceeding 100 m.;
-evacuation compartment for 2-3 persons.


OOC: Well, it's only listed on that site. Besides 'evacuation compartment' doesn't mean it has a gun nor can it lift off. globalsecurity.org, fas.org, and several other websites do not list anything other than the fact that you can eject. Therefore, no.

OOC:

I'm pretty sure he ment the still flying chopper shot the downed one after picking up the pilots...

OOC: Well, that would probably mean that other helicopter would be shot down too. These things have a kill radius of over 2500meters, and are mobile. They could move from their positions into range to shoot it down.

OOC: Well, that would probably mean that other helicopter would be shot down too. These things have a kill radius of over 2500meters, and are mobile. They could move from their positions into range to shoot it down.

I'm not the RP ref, just saying what I know about the chopper being RPed with. :wink:

Now you're telling me what capabilities MY weapons have? That site contains a press release from the MIL design bureau, the company that designed the Mi-28. I *think* they might know it better than you do...

You also forgot that I mentioned that the remaining Mi-28 was pumping the ZSU's full of red hot 30mm AP rounds from the chain gun which would turn them into swiss cheese(the targeting systems on the Mi-28 are better than the ZSU's I'm sure). Not to mention that the area of Iraq this took place in is relatively mountanious...

FR check your PM's

BTW:
http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Mi_28/mi28_en.htm

The pilot and the navigator/systems officer are accommodated in two separate cockpits in tandem configuration under individual canopies. The fuselage of the Mi-28 has a bay fitted with a hatch door. The bay can accommodate three people for the rescue of downed friendly air crew.

BTW:
http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Mi_28/mi28_en.htm

The pilot and the navigator/systems officer are accommodated in two separate cockpits in tandem configuration under individual canopies. The fuselage of the Mi-28 has a bay fitted with a hatch door. The bay can accommodate three people for the rescue of downed friendly air crew.

OOC: Yes, I'm sorry for that. I thought that you were saying that the downed helicopter had somesort of "escape" helicopter in it. My bad.

Secondly, they are not YOUR helicopters. You did not make them. They are Russian.

Thirdly, your helicopters are in kind of a trap. My AAA guns make up a half circle. You're in the middle of that. After all, we have the advantage of surprise. It would be very very difficult to win in this situation.

I call them Mi-28NR's because it is a Mi-28N modified by Romaerospace(my company, so technically they are partly my choppers). Improvements include engine silencers, improved armor, improved threat recognition, and IR missile blinders. And losing a $14 Million dollar chopper isn't exactly a "win" in my book...

The Mi-28NR would probably recognize the threats before you even fired a shot, but for the sake of RP I didn't use that.

Also both the ZSU-23 and ZSU-57 are very vulnerable to ECM's, but I didn't bother playing that card either.

Haaregradian forces continue monitoring Al Anbari signals and transmissions, this includes an early morning attempt to spoof a squadron of medium-sized(F-16/MiG 29 class) fighters on their radar, traveling south at high speed then disappearing.

double

The battle was over. All ten of the AAA had seized to fire, whether because the crew had seen what happened to the others or because they had been hit and destroyed.

However, the 'war' was not over yet. As the helicopter returned back to their base in Turkey, a position just nearby the border spotted the helicopter.

"Abdul! Look!" exclaimed the young, conscripted private, who pointed up into the sky at the helicopter flying high above.

Abdul looked out the window and up at the approaching helicopter. The four other soldiers crowded around him, but Abdul quickly pushed them out of the way and grabbed his SA-7B SAM launcher. He left the little 'hut' that they had been stationed in and went outside. He watched the helicopter as it flew almost directly above and then exposed its aft side to him.

Seconds later... the missile was away.

OCC: The Dr_Twist Government has Ordered the Boosting of Numbers in the Bulgarian Empire from 6 Million ( Presently Stationed in the Empire ) to 12 Million Heavily Armed troops.

3,000 MLRS Systems
8,000 Artillery Pieces
24,000 Tanks (12,000 M1A1 Tanks, 6,000 Challenger 2 Tanks and 6,000 T-90 Tanks)
900,000 Vehicles Cargo Trunks Transport Trucks Humvees so on...
4,000 Patriot Missile Systems
(i am missing something here i know i am)

(then there is the Already installed Empire Defense systems like Anti Missile Missiles and so on)

OOC: WHat is with you people and wanting to make a war? Must you attack me all the time instead of letting peace go ahead?

And Western Asia and Taiwan, we must set a time to RP this out on either IRC or in the thread. We can't keep this two or three posts a day thing.

OOC:

Let's everyone pause this until they get further in their peace debates.

OOC:

Let's everyone pause this until they get further in their peace debates.

OCC: don't you think this has gone on long enough, when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in real life we didn't hold back did we? no, these talks are taking to long and Al Anbar is just wasting time trying to get every one to forget about it so he can keep it.

OOC:

Let's everyone pause this until they get further in their peace debates.

OCC: don't you think this has gone on long enough, when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in real life we didn't hold back did we? no, these talks are taking to long and Al Anbar is just wasting time trying to get every one to forget about it so he can keep it.

There is a difference, there is no set time on NS, everything is relative. The discussions are going much slower then the military side. Therefore we should cooperate to help the two RPs flow smoother together.

OOC:

Let's everyone pause this until they get further in their peace debates.

OCC: don't you think this has gone on long enough, when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in real life we didn't hold back did we? no, these talks are taking to long and Al Anbar is just wasting time trying to get every one to forget about it so he can keep it.

OOC: No, I am not delaying. Look at the negotiation thread. I'm not the one not posting.

Secondly, the US didn't go to war right away. From August 2, 1990 to January 16, 1991, after negotiations with the US in Switzerland. So, shut up.

OOC:

Let's everyone pause this until they get further in their peace debates.

OCC: don't you think this has gone on long enough, when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in real life we didn't hold back did we? no, these talks are taking to long and Al Anbar is just wasting time trying to get every one to forget about it so he can keep it.

There is a difference, there is no set time on NS, everything is relative. The discussions are going much slower then the military side. Therefore we should cooperate to help the two RPs flow smoother together.

OCC: there really is nothing to discuss, he invaded another country, he should be given an ultimatum to leave it of face action from other nations, what is so complicated that the talks take so long? Normally when other nations invaded another the world pounces on it, what’s different about this thread?

OOC:

Let's everyone pause this until they get further in their peace debates.

OCC: don't you think this has gone on long enough, when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in real life we didn't hold back did we? no, these talks are taking to long and Al Anbar is just wasting time trying to get every one to forget about it so he can keep it.

OOC: No, I am not delaying. Look at the negotiation thread. I'm not the one not posting.

Secondly, the US didn't go to war right away. From August 2, 1990 to January 16, 1991, after negotiations with the US in Switzerland. So, shut up.

OCC: No flaming our you will be deleted.....

OCC: there really is nothing to discuss, he invaded another country, he should be given an ultimatum to leave it of face action from other nations, what is so complicated that the talks take so long? Normally when other nations invaded another the world pounces on it, what’s different about this thread?

OOC: Whether you like it or not, this is the way it is. Western Asia and _Taiwan are never here. I have already said I would leave Kuwait already have, except for a small force to keep the order in the country.

If you don't like it, leave this thread and never come back. It's VERY SIMPLE.

OCC: No flaming our you will be deleted.....

OOC: I'm not the one flaming. You are the one trying to accuse me of delaying this so everyone will forget about it.

OCC: there really is nothing to discuss, he invaded another country, he should be given an ultimatum to leave it of face action from other nations, what is so complicated that the talks take so long? Normally when other nations invaded another the world pounces on it, what’s different about this thread?

OOC: Whether you like it or not, this is the way it is. Western Asia and _Taiwan are never here. I have already said I would leave Kuwait already have, except for a small force to keep the order in the country.

If you don't like it, leave this thread and never come back. It's VERY SIMPLE.

OCC: From what i was told, you still had Kuwait under siege, sorry :(

To speed up the Process we will Take control of Kuwait until the nation can be handed back to its Owner, there removing any threats to you and removing you from you bad position?

OCC: From what i was told, you still had Kuwait under siege, sorry :(

To speed up the Process we will Take control of Kuwait until the nation can be handed back to its Owner, there removing any threats to you and removing you from you bad position?

OOC: Why don't you try reading the actual thread before posting?

And no, you won't. If you try, then you will be declaring war on me and causing the destruction of most of Kuwait's oil infrastructure.

If people aren't going to read the entire thread, or most of it, then they shouldn't bother getting involved in it.

OCC: From what i was told, you still had Kuwait under siege, sorry :(

To speed up the Process we will Take control of Kuwait until the nation can be handed back to its Owner, there removing any threats to you and removing you from you bad position?

OOC: Why don't you try reading the actual thread before posting?

And no, you won't. If you try, then you will be declaring war on me and causing the destruction of most of Kuwait's oil infrastructure.

If people aren't going to read the entire thread, or most of it, then they shouldn't bother getting involved in it.

Its 20 Pages that’s why i asked for info from some 1 else, i am a busy person i don't have endless amounts of time to read threads :roll: .

I have Offered to Take Kuwait until it can be handed back but you refuse why? Are you hiding something?

OCC: From what i was told, you still had Kuwait under siege, sorry :(

To speed up the Process we will Take control of Kuwait until the nation can be handed back to its Owner, there removing any threats to you and removing you from you bad position?

OOC: Why don't you try reading the actual thread before posting?

And no, you won't. If you try, then you will be declaring war on me and causing the destruction of most of Kuwait's oil infrastructure.

If people aren't going to read the entire thread, or most of it, then they shouldn't bother getting involved in it.

Its 20 Pages that’s why i asked for info from some 1 else, i am a busy person i don't have endless amounts of time to read threads :roll: .

I have Offered to Take Kuwait until it can be handed back but you refuse why? Are you hiding something?

OOC: Because, if peace is not made (but probably will be), I'm not just going to give up Kuwait without a fight, afterall, that is what started this war.

OCC: From what i was told, you still had Kuwait under siege, sorry :(

To speed up the Process we will Take control of Kuwait until the nation can be handed back to its Owner, there removing any threats to you and removing you from you bad position?

OOC: Why don't you try reading the actual thread before posting?

And no, you won't. If you try, then you will be declaring war on me and causing the destruction of most of Kuwait's oil infrastructure.

If people aren't going to read the entire thread, or most of it, then they shouldn't bother getting involved in it.

Its 20 Pages that’s why i asked for info from some 1 else, i am a busy person i don't have endless amounts of time to read threads :roll: .

I have Offered to Take Kuwait until it can be handed back but you refuse why? Are you hiding something?

OOC: Because, if peace is not made (but probably will be), I'm not just going to give up Kuwait without a fight, afterall, that is what started this war.

You will never Keep Kuwait, Russian Forces is Itching to attack you for any reason, the only thing stopping him atm is because of the talks, you should of seen the Mobilization of Over 100 Million troops in South West Europe a few days ago for an exercise, you don't to play around with me or Russia because you will never win.

You will never Keep Kuwait, Russian Forces is Itching to attack you for any reason, the only thing stopping him atm is because of the talks, you should of seen the Mobilization of Over 100 Million troops in South West Europe a few days ago for an exercise, you don't to play around with me or Russia because you will never win.

OOC: Of course I would not win, but, I'm not going to give up Kuwait if war goes ahead and a peace is not signed.

As I have said, I will give up Kuwait for peace.

You will never Keep Kuwait, Russian Forces is Itching to attack you for any reason, the only thing stopping him atm is because of the talks, you should of seen the Mobilization of Over 100 Million troops in South West Europe a few days ago for an exercise, you don't to play around with me or Russia because you will never win.

OOC: Of course I would not win, but, I'm not going to give up Kuwait if war goes ahead and a peace is not signed.

You are signing your own Death certificate, But atleast you are prepared to fight like a Man and i like that! 8)

You are signing your own Death certificate, But atleast you are prepared to fight like a Man and i like that! 8)

OOC: Somtimes: Ideals > Survival.

OOC: RF mobilised 100 million? Or is this his alliance?

IC:

President Chen of the Republic of China proposes all sides involved in the conflict refrain from further military action. Taiwanese observers in Kuwait have confirmed Al Anbar's pullout from the cities and are adhering to the cease-fire.

OOC: RF mobilised 100 million? Or is this his alliance?

IC:

President Chen of the Republic of China proposes all sides involved in the conflict refrain from further military action. Taiwanese observers in Kuwait have confirmed Al Anbar's pullout from the cities and are adhering to the cease-fire.

OCC: His allies, i was running the Exercise.

As they came within a few miles of the border the crew begun to become complacent, getting they're guard down. Suddenly the IR Homing light came on and the alarm buzzer sounded.

"Shit!! Evasive manuevers! Evasive manuevers! Pop flares and active the IR blinder! "

Just as they activated the IR blinder it began to lead the missile away from the helicopter, they could see it from the cockpit, and it suddenly exploded, they felt the shockwave since it exploded just a few meters from the hilcopter

OOC: oh, wow, a map! Retard.

1) I don't care about anything over Eye Ran, since any attack that comes from Eye Ran will be ignored for Eye Ran does not exist in my 'realm'.

2) Jamming and taking over a frequency are two differen things. Go read about it.

3) If you are so smart, then who are these 'GENERAL ANBAR' and The Sheikh?! Have you READ ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD?

You still are ignored. Good day.

Oh wow, the power of ignore. Such a dangerous power to have.
LMAO

Western Asia was in trouble? He should have told me! (I am currently war hungry)

:evil:

OOC: I'm sorry, but please read the title: CLOSED.

It maybe closed to you, but its not closed to everyone else.
Just because rules are made, it does not mean that people will follow it.
Rules were meant to be broken.

OOC:

Inauna, please. You need to understand the concepts of "good RP" and "sensible RP". What you posted in your last three posts is neither of these.

Let's look, shall we?

1) If you talk in front of your television or radio, do other people listening or transmitting on that frequency hear you? No.

2) Secondly, there is no way you can 'jam' my television broadcasting. Sure, you can disrupt it so that what we both broadcast are gumbled and useless, but there is no way for you to eliminate my broadcasting facilities without bombing them. Same goes for radio.

3) Have you even read any of the posts in this thread? Why do you keep making up people? The Sheikh, 'General Anbar', etc? If you read just one page, you can be pretty much assess who leads Al Anbar.

4) Until you post something reasonable, you will be ignored for this thread. This also goes for your last post.


OOC: What planet are you living on? Obviously, you do not pay much attention to actual warfare do you? Take a close look at the American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. They used C-130 Spectres to jam the airwaves and transmit their messages. You people are amatuers from what I can see. Don't tell that I have no clue what the hell I am talking because I had family who were involved in the first Gulf War.
As for Western Asia, you forgot that Armenia and Azerbaijan are also logical places to launch an air-based attack over Iraq without having to use Turkish airspace. Now, explain to me how Iran would be neutral in all this mess if it is allowing jets to fly over its airspace. That's a massive hypocrisy right there.
Here's a suggestion for you two amateurs. Here's something called a map, which you have no clue what one is.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/10/24/mideast.alert.02/middle.east.jpg
Its a map of the Middle East. 8)

So, for Al-Anbar and Western Asia, I suggest your read books;especially those big long ones with dates, yeah those are called history books.
In there you might find some useful information that will make this roleplay more legitimate. :lol:


Inauna, do not waste your time with these troglodytes. They are just mad because their magic Genie bottles and flying rugs cannot be used as weapons of defense. They have to resort to spitting camels and sandstorms to win this RP.

200 of the brand new TR-4000 MBT's are bieng airlifted to Romanian bases via AN-124's and AN-225's

Iraqi Satellite TV

Three hours after the initial battle with the helicopters, Iraqi Satellite TV has responded.

"Two aggressor helicopters, from bases in Turkey, crossed into northern Iraq." announced the announcer, "our air defense systems immediatelly shot down one of the aircraft. As the second helicopter tried to leave, it was hit by a missile, sending it to a crash landing across the border in Turkey."

http://www.kolchak.org/images/artd.jpg
The destroyed helicopter.

"Al Anbar continues to show to the aggressors - we will destroy anything that enters our territory. They will be alive when they enter Al Anbar but they will return home in caskets. Every one of them."

Command Headquarters, Turkey
"Sir, the Iraqis are claiming they shot down both aircraft!

"Meh" The general shrugged his shoulders,"We know what really happened, let them have their propaganda, they need all the help they can get! Also summon the air crews of the Helicopters in here, I'd like to congratulate them on a successful mission."

"Yes sir!"

OOC:Broke a$$ server I have been trying to post in this thread for two days and it keeps dumping me, here goes nothing.

IC:
The Seglawi wing after fueling in Oman swung out across the entrance to the Gulf, over Bahrain around the WA blockade.
Heading for the Iraqi border. All VTOL fighters were on deck.
If something happened the fighters could be aloft and break for Iraq.
The decision was going to have to be made at some point to transmit their intent to enter Iraqi airspace.

OCC: Dr_Twist Forces in the Bulgerian Empire have begun massing on the Bulgerian / Turkish Border waiting for permission to Enter turkey.

OOC: What does OCC stand for?

OOC: What does OCC stand for?

Read the stickys

OOC: What does OCC stand for?

Read the stickys

OOC: Jeez, you're really being an asshole. Instead of typing out 'Read the stickys', you could have just typed what it meant.

OOC: What does OCC stand for?

Read the stickys

OOC: Jeez, you're really being an asshole. Instead of typing out 'Read the stickys', you could have just typed what it meant.

No flaming plz, i am sitting here in 40+ degree heat and you want me to type crap out.... OOC = Out Of Charrictar (i know its wrong i carn't remember it)

No flaming plz, i am sitting here in 40+ degree heat and you want me to type crap out.... OOC = Out Of Charrictar (i know its wrong i carn't remember it)

OOC: I'm not flaming. Cease saying that.

Now, I didn't ask what OOC is. I asked what 'OCC' was. You always post that in front of all your 'IC' posts. What does it mean?!

OOC: Wow, this is going downhill fast. Dr_Twist, please hold your horses or back off a bit...I'll TM you when things move on in that direction.

IC:
Western Asia's government issued a message in response to Al Anbar's broadcast.

We have the broadcast footage and it only serves to support our point that this was not a Western Asian helicopter...the destroyed aircraft are clearly of Soviet design while Western Asia has not used any such craft aside from a few attack helicopters used in training missions...but certainly never any Mi-28s. We do not know the origin of these aircraft but we know that they did not come from our forces.

*turns on the air conditioner and keeps everyone cool headed*

8)

No flaming plz, i am sitting here in 40+ degree heat and you want me to type crap out.... OOC = Out Of Charrictar (i know its wrong i carn't remember it)

OOC: I'm not flaming. Cease saying that.

Now, I didn't ask what OOC is. I asked what 'OCC' was. You always post that in front of all your 'IC' posts. What does it mean?!

I have a bad habbit of putting OCC instead of OOC :?

OOC: Wow, this is going downhill fast. Dr_Twist, please hold your horses or back off a bit...I'll TM you when things move on in that direction.

IC:
Western Asia's government issued a message in response to Al Anbar's broadcast.

We have the broadcast footage and it only serves to support our point that this was not a Western Asian helicopter...the destroyed aircraft are clearly of Soviet design while Western Asia has not used any such craft aside from a few attack helicopters used in training missions...but certainly never any Mi-28s. We do not know the origin of these aircraft but we know that they did not come from our forces.

Ministry of Defense

Whether or not they are your aircraft, they came from bases in Turkey. They are your responsibility. You must hold your allies back or it shall create a war neither of us want. We hold you responsible for any damages caused to Al Anbar while we are not at war, whether they are caused by your forces or your allies.

*75 clicks from the Iraqi border*

"Radio the Iraqis now. Identify our selves."

The ensign began transmitting,

"This is Bedou 'Lawrence' Seglawi Battle Wing.
This is Bedou 'Lawrence' Seglawi Battle Wing.
We request permission to enter Iraqi/AlAnbari airspace.
We request permission to enter Iraqi/AlAnbari airspace.
Bedou airborne carrier requesting permission to enter Iraqi/ALAnbari airspace.
Bedou airborne carrier requesting permission to enter Iraqi/ALAnbari airspace.
Please respond.
I say again please respond."
The ensign waited for a response.

OCC: Dr_Twist Goverment Has order Spy planes to Iraq for a Infomation gathering mission, 3 Planes have taken off from Bulgerian Empire Airspace heading to Iraq.

( i forgot the name of my spy planes :( )

Dr_Twist Goverment Has order Spy planes to Iraq for a Infomation gathering mission, 3 Planes have taken off from Bulgerian Empire Airspace heading to Iraq.

( i forgot the name of my spy planes :( )

OOC: Why do you people keep wanting to push us into a war, damnit? Can't we all just wait to see what happens from the peace conference?

Radio at H-3 Military Base

"We have no orders to allow your aircraft to enter our airspace."

"Therefore, we must ask you to stay out of our airspace for the time being."

"Over."

Radio at H-3 Military Base

"We have no orders to allow your aircraft to enter our airspace."

"Therefore, we must ask you to stay out of our airspace for the time being."

"Over."

OCC: Pilots have been Ordered not to respond.

Radio at H-3 Military Base

"We have no orders to allow your aircraft to enter our airspace."

"Therefore, we must ask you to stay out of our airspace for the time being."

"Over."

OCC: Pilots have been Ordered not to respond.

OOC: er, I was speaking to Bedou, btw.

And why are you writing OOC on IC stuff?! This is not Out Of Character, but In Character stuff.

Air Defenses

Air Defense radars once again track a new foe. They have them on radar before they even get within two hundred kilometers of the border from almost any direction.

Iraqi SAMs and AAA are prepared, and prepare to fire on Twist's aircraft once they cross the border.

Radio at H-3 Military Base

"We have no orders to allow your aircraft to enter our airspace."

"Therefore, we must ask you to stay out of our airspace for the time being."

"Over."

OCC: Pilots have been Ordered not to respond.

OOC: er, I was speaking to Bedou, btw.

And why are you writing OOC on IC stuff?! This is not Out Of Character, but In Character stuff.

OCC: Ignore that message then :P cause i was sending planes to do spy missions in your country so i thought you ment me :wink:

We wish to remind you that our indian ocean fleet is still waiting and battle ready.

OOC: Soviet Haaregrad, you have telegrams.

OCC: The Dr_Twist Government has Ordered the Boosting of Numbers in the Bulgarian Empire from 6 Million ( Presently Stationed in the Empire ) to 12 Million Heavily Armed troops.

3,000 MLRS Systems
8,000 Artillery Pieces
24,000 Tanks (12,000 M1A1 Tanks, 6,000 Challenger 2 Tanks and 6,000 T-90 Tanks)
900,000 Vehicles Cargo Trunks Transport Trucks Humvees so on...
4,000 Patriot Missile Systems
(i am missing something here i know i am)

(then there is the Already installed Empire Defense systems like Anti Missile Missiles and so on)

OCC: With Western Asia permission these Forces have Begun Crossing the Boreder into Tirkey and will begin Building up on the Iraqi / Turkish Boreder at once.

OCC:

:twisted: :evil:

OCC:

:twisted: :evil:

:?: :roll:

OCC:

:twisted: :evil:

:?: :roll:

OOC: That wasn't an OOC statement. Why does it have 'OOC' before it?

OCC:

:twisted: :evil:

:?: :roll:

OOC: That wasn't an OOC statement. Why does it have 'OOC' before it?

OCC: Becaues they have begun moving but i havn't stated it, and if you ask question i would denie it, if i didn't do that and left it and said the troops were there u would say they wern't, it is done so i can move troops there while dening they are moving there.

OCC:

:twisted: :evil:

:?: :roll:

OOC: That wasn't an OOC statement. Why does it have 'OOC' before it?

OCC: Becaues they have begun moving but i havn't stated it, and if you ask question i would denie it, if i didn't do that and left it and said the troops were there u would say they wern't, it is done so i can move troops there while dening they are moving there.

OOC: You really can't deny twelve million troops moving to positions near Turkey. It would be quiet obvious.

OOC: You really can't deny twelve million troops moving to positions near Turkey. It would be quiet obvious.

Now thats the Ponit, i have the ability to denie it, but you can see it, but you carn't use it and say they have moved, thow you can see it you carn't prove it, if you want to know more read the stickys.

*Aboard the Lawrence near the Iraqi/Kuwaiti/Bahrain borders just of shore the coast of Bahrain*

"Sir, the AlAnbari deny us access to their airspace."

"Damn it!!" The Bedouins robes shook wildly as he spun a quick 180 to look again at the map he was studing mere seconds ago.
"Order the other Seglawi to circle out, I want a dozen fighters in the air at all times until AlAnbar lets us in.
We cannot get surprised up here or we are all dead men. I want more eyes aloft and I want it done now."
Now the Seglawi were trapped over the Gulf, waiting over land would be far to dangerous, and AAA sites were everywhere.
Trapped over the sea.

OCC:

:twisted: :evil:

:?: :roll:

OOC: That wasn't an OOC statement. Why does it have 'OOC' before it?

OCC: Becaues they have begun moving but i havn't stated it, and if you ask question i would denie it, if i didn't do that and left it and said the troops were there u would say they wern't, it is done so i can move troops there while dening they are moving there.
OOC: "Secret-IC" is generally accepted. "OOC" is for Out Of Character posts only.

OOC: You really can't deny twelve million troops moving to positions near Turkey. It would be quiet obvious.

Now thats the Ponit, i have the ability to denie it, but you can see it, but you carn't use it and say they have moved, thow you can see it you carn't prove it, if you want to know more read the stickys.

OOC: No, you don't understand. No way ICly you can hide the movement of twelve million people and thousands of pieces of equipment. It's impossible to hide such a movement in real life.

OOC: You really can't deny twelve million troops moving to positions near Turkey. It would be quiet obvious.

Now thats the Ponit, i have the ability to denie it, but you can see it, but you carn't use it and say they have moved, thow you can see it you carn't prove it, if you want to know more read the stickys.

OOC: No, you don't understand. No way ICly you can hide the movement of twelve million people and thousands of pieces of equipment. It's impossible to hide such a movement in real life.
OOC: He can deny it, just noone will believe him.

OOC: 12,000,000 men?
shhhhhhhhh be vehhweee quite I am huntin AlAnber.
You could see twelve million people from orbit.

You ever seen what kind of dust cloud a hundred trucks kick up in the sand?

You dont hide 12,000,000 soldiers, you cant.
Transporting them alone would take so many vehichles it is insane.
wow.

I have no idea what you are all talking about, what 12 million troops?

My sats can pick up a fruit fly on an orange from orbit...

Meanwhile, 100 Iskander-E Battlefield Missile Systems are bieng delivered to Turkey.


http://www.milparade.com/1999/34/010.htm

Posts along the border have reported intermittent skirmishes...no casualties reported.


(BTW you never listed your casualties from the 30mm AP rounds flying into your AAA.)

OOC: Go away, Free Rumania and Dr. Twist. You two are obviously too retarded to follow this thread correctly. If you want to be a warmonger, go somewhere else. We are trying to make peace here.

Don't like it? Too bad.

Nope, sorry.

Actually...

All my forces will be withdrawn from Turkey.

Ministry of Defense

Whether or not they are your aircraft, they came from bases in Turkey. They are your responsibility. You must hold your allies back or it shall create a war neither of us want. We hold you responsible for any damages caused to Al Anbar while we are not at war, whether they are caused by your forces or your allies.

Western Asian Response

We had no Radar or other sensor reports of such aircraft passing into or out of our airspace. We resent Al Anbar's attempt to present an image of an agressive collection of nations rearing for war. This Coalition is set to restore the freedom of millions of people from the grasps of your government and that is our only purpose.

No responsibility is taken for imaginary and manufactured incursions by WA-aligned forces as presented by Al Anbar. We know that Al Anbar uses a great number of Soviet-model aircraft and we have no reason to believe that the aircraft presented on Al Anbari media is anything more than an Al Anbari ruse. We have no need to hold back allies who are sitting peacefully within our borders, waiting for your representatives to accept our conditions or force our hand to war.

OOC: What terms? Why are you so slow in responding in the negotiations thread? Be here more. Same with _Taiwan.

OOC: _Taiwan has been interviewing you on the negotiations thread...I'll respond when Lu focuses on my delegation...remember that the negotiations are proceeding simultaneously/prior to this event. I'll present the terms that WA sees as necessary once WA's reps have been asked to do so by Lu. I've been watching but until Lu opens things up to objections or other points there's nothing for Sheetrit to do.

*Aboard the Lawrence*

"Incoming transmission from the FallschrimmJager prison ship LD-I. Sir.
LD-I reports, maddness sir, they are under threat in PFA waters. The PFa government has gone Nazi, they are killing minorities including muslims sir.
Apparantly Skibereen has vessels there and Erinin is dispatching the Chimera group. LD-I still might be in trouble, and they say our Seglawi would be most benficiant for helping refugees get to the LD-I and LD-II.
end of transmission sir, abruptly."

"Our course is clear my brothers, while I dispise leaving AlAnbar, they are well enough to turn us back, we have sworn as a people to aid in the protection of FallschrimmJager and of Erinin. Turn the vessel about, all ahead full."

"The blockade sir?!?"

"Radio the Western Asians, tell them we are leaving. We can fight our way out, or they can let us pass, the difference is the same.

Under no circumstances are you to slow this vessel down."

Not far from the Western Asian blockade two Bedou attack subs surfaced, obviously full ballast blow.

They hit the surface running, the Western Asian might have considered them a threat had they not been given a clean veiw right the back of both subs.

The Seglawi in Oman were detected 'bugging out' in the same direction as the Bedou subs.
The Western Asians did not know why the Bedou were leaving but why look a gift horse in the mouth.

OOC: Standard WA policy is to fire RPGs or whatever armaments are on hand down the gullet of any gift horses...something the Turkish part of WA learned a long time beforehand...but we'll let this pass. :wink:

IC: The Western Asian officers allow the Bedou craft to leave the sector without harm, even ordering several vessels to make way for the Submarines and clearing airspace for the passage of the massive aircraft.

Radio confirmations of the Bedou transmissions are quickly returned.

OOC: Edit: last part didn't get posted.

OOC: I am in the middle of the gulf, and Seglawi though exceedingly fast for aircraft carriers are pretty damned slow aircraft, blimps dont exactly rocket along. So there is plenty of time to RP the typical Officer arguement thing. or it could just be 'understood'.
I hate to kinda back out of this RP, but you guys are in talks, Bedou was never involved enough to be in any discussion, and I have an ally requesting help so I figured I work it in to both RPs.
Sorry AA, duty calls, plus PFA needs a whooping.

Al Anbar Situation

Since the start of the tensions with Western Asia and their allies, the people of Al Anbar have strangely united. Even though the government and army is mainly Sunni (over 85% of the population is Sunni), the Shi'ites and Kurds have united with the government to defend their homeland from the Zionist entity and other invaders that cooperate with them.

The majority of the Kurdish political parties, including the two largest ones, the KDP and PUK, have endorsed Saddam Hussein's government and has declared that they will use all of their forces to defend the "homeland against aggressors." Both of these groups are instensely anti-WA/Soviet/UK, simply because they do not want to be swallowed up by United Kurdistan. They want to remain independent, and not be forced into the structure of a foreign government that is a puppet of Soviet Haaregard.

In the south, Shi'ite imams and other religious clerics have also come out in total support for Saddam Hussein. They have told their people to join the People's Militia to defend the country against the Zionist entity and their allies.

Saddam Hussein has also allowed the Kurdish groups to continue to operate their militias independently and have authorized a small Shi'ite-only 'Islamic Liberation Army' to be formed to defend against the Zionists and their allies.

The Sunnis, who make up the largest percentage of the population, have come out in full support for Saddam and religious clerics have ordered their followers to join the People's Militia and the other organizations to defend against the Zionists.

The size of the People's Militia, Army, and other para-military groups such as the Fedayeen has balloned over the last little while.

The people of Al Anbar have prepared fully for total war and have prepared to defend their homeland.

Was that an official statement from the Iraqi minister of Info?

It Turns out this morning after a lot of Intel Meetings between Offcials in Dr_Twist that our good friend Al Anbar helped Democratic Forces in Dr_Twist During the Civil war in an attempt to replace the Tsar and install a pro Al Anbar Democratic Government

"a pro Al Anbar Democratic government"

Al Anbar and Democratic government, that should be an oxymoron!

"a pro Al Anbar Democratic government"

Al Anbar and Democratic government, that should be an oxymoron!

Intel Offcials Stated he was in it to Remove the Tsar from power and Gain good links with the Nation.

You'd think he'd be more worried about saving his own a$$...

You'd think he'd be more worried about saving his own a$$...

OCC: go read the Dr_Twist Civil war thread at the end of Page 3.

Let's start this war already :roll: