Nekoa Bay Negotiations (Serious RP; Invite-Only) - Page 2
and Axe Weilding Maniacs (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), under Drakonian, Klatchian, and Neutral Inspection
Not under JDF command. I never signed the FKC constitution :P
Alcona and Hubris
20-01-2004, 17:46
OOC: First, You are since ratification of a constituion does not mean each state agrees with it. (majority rule on that one)
Second, You have not been Attainted...as you were not involved in the tactical nuking of Bath which led us to do it (and you have behaved yourself.)
IC: After a few minutes a call came through to the Landgravine. She listend poeilty although it was obvious something was up...
"I'm afraid that both the Chancellor and the President have become very annoyed at some of the terms we agreed upon. I will have a fax of the changes they desire soon. I appoligize for this delay, but dealing with the factions of the Klatch is best described as cat hearding in a wheelchair."
Alcona and Hubris
20-01-2004, 20:54
Here is a new proposal based on the problems that the Keys and the constituional officers have had with the first draft. I've tried to highlight the changes.
Nekoa Bay Accords
The Terms Klatchian, Klatch, and Federation shall refer to the Federated Klatchian Coast as a whole.
The Term JDF, shall refer to the Joint Defense Force and The Privy Council of the Federated Klatchian Coast which controls it.
The United Emeriates shall refer to the United Emeriates.
The Drakonian Imperium shall be considered the leader of the United Empirates and it's represantive in this matter.
Neutral Party, shall refer to a party, agreed to by both the United Emeriates and The Federated Klatchian Coast
I) The Federated Klatchian Coast guarantees:
1)The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Weapon Material, Warheads, Delivery Devices & Vehicles (those only usable for Nuclear Ordinance), of Fasta Benj (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), under Drakonian, Klatchian, and Neutral Inspection.
2) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Material, Warheads, and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Dyelli Beybi (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), under Drakonian, Klatchian, and Neutral Inspection.
3) The disassembly of all Nuclear Weapons Launch Sites, Research, and Production Facilities, which cannot be converted to other uses, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), and Axe Weilding Maniacs, under Drakonian, Klatchian, and Neutral Inspection.
4) The end of Nuclear Weapon Programs never again to be restarted, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Weilding Maniacs.
5) Humanitarian Aid and Reparations for those who suffered and are suffering because of the Nuclear Strikes, from Dyelli Beybi and Axe Weilding Maniacs. (Previously agreed upon.)
6) 60% Disarmament of the Navy of the nation of Dyelli Beybi. (Previously agreed upon.)
7) 10% Disarmament of all Military Services of the nation of Axe Weilding Maniacs. (Previously agreed upon.)
II The Imperium guarantees:
1) The updated status of Peace between the Drakonian Imperium, the United Emeriates and the Federated Klatchian Coast
Please specify the definition of peace here
2) The current Missile Defense Technology used by Drakonia to defend against Nuclear Missile Strikes, including Anti-Missile Missile Batteries, Missile Guidance Jammers, and Missile Tracking Equipment, to the nations of the Federated Klatchian Coast.
3) Never again will the nation of Drakonian Imperium restart a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapon Programs.
Such will be verified by inspections by The Dual Duchy of Alcona and Hubris and the Grand Kingdom of Vrak
5)The withdrawal of Naval Forces from near Klatchian Waters.
III The United Emeriates and Federated Klatchian Coast agree to:
1)A Non-Aggression Pact protecting The Soveriegn Federated Klatchian Coast and the United Emeriates from Interference and Invasion by each other.
1a) The Imperium will inform the Federation when they beleive a violation of the treaty has occured such that appropriate action may be taken. Including but not limited to attainment.
2) The Formation of a joint conflict-resolution council:
2a) The purpose of the council shall be to hear and pass judgement if there are any breeches or disputes of the Nekoa Bay accords.
2b) This council shall consist of one member from the UE, one from the FKC, and one from an agreed upon Neutral Party.
2c) The council shall meet when any party of this agreement feels that the Accords have been violated.
2d) This council shall has the final say in matters in relation to resolving any breeches or disputes of the Nekoa Bay accords.
2e) It is implied that diplomatic solutions shall be sought first, with this council being the final step to diplomatically resolve any breeches or disputes relating to the Nekoa Bay accords.
Alcona and Hubris
22-01-2004, 16:59
This is a BUMP...I hate doing these...
Drakonian Imperium
22-01-2004, 20:08
There was a almost silent snort from General Long, as Diana responded. "I will have to look over this more carefully."
She carefully read again through the document, speaking silently to herself. "Emirates is spelled wrong." There was a swipe of her pen. "Please specify peace...not war, uh..." She continued her pen sweeping across the paper further mutilating the document.
Alcona and Hubris
22-01-2004, 20:53
OOC: Yes, I knew that but I was writting it on the fly...
== BUMP ==
Just a reminder to all concerned.
Drakonian Imperium
11-02-2004, 07:52
It had taken a while for Diana Minerva and the Drakonian Delegation to return, but they finally had. Diana tried to look happy, but annoyance showed through. General Derek Long looked quite smug, smiling.
It was Diana who spoke first. "I discuss your changes with my government and unfortunately they would like some changes as well." There was a collective sigh about the room and General Long's smile broadened.
She looked down to a list in her hand. "First," she started. "Drakonia is not the leader of the United Emirates. The Leadership Council has that honor, of which the Imperium is Chair, a merely ceremonial role. We would like that specified in the Accords."
She looked down to her list again. "Article 1, Section 2. 'The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Material, Warheads, and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Dyelli Beybi (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), under Drakonian, Klatchian, and Neutral Inspection.' We would like that to specify as with Section 1, to specify 'Nuclear Weapons Material', as we have no wish to interfere with the power needs of the Dyellian populace. If the Privy Council wishes to further restrict Dyelli Beybi on it's own, separated from these negotiations."
She glanced down again. "We've decided to define 'peace' as an end to armed conflict and cessation of hostilities.
"Next, Article 2, Section 2," she droned on. "'Never again will the nation of Drakonian Imperium restart a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapon Programs. Such will be verified by inspections by The Dual Duchy of Alcona and Hubris and the Grand Kingdom of Vrak.' I believe there was miscommunication there. My earlier statement was that we were going to allow your nations to conduct inspections out of courtesy and not as part of these accords."
She did not give them a chance to respond. "Article 3, Section 2." She spoke loudly. "The Imperium views the formation of this Joint Conflict Resolution Council as needless bureaucracy. If Klatch is willing to do so on their own, they may, but we wish no part of it and no part of it in this treaty."
Nodding, she sat down, waiting for the storm.
OOC: Sorry for the late response, got caught up on things and was procrastinating.
Drakonian Imperium
11-02-2004, 16:58
"I almost forget," Diana cut in before anyone could again respond. "The Imperium would like it made clear that this accord is between the nation of the Federated Klatchian Coast and the nation of Drakonian Imperium. That is all. Thank you."
OOC: The Landgravine is preoccupied with the Dozle affair. I realize fluid time can magically pretend that this all happened afterwards, but real-life deals its hand. So, please excuse the arrival of a Vrakian delegation.
IC:
The Nekoa Bay Accords were stalled, and with the previous Vrakian delegation departing, things were not looking good. Orith Hagwonak, a rising star in the Diplomatic Corps and cousin to Ipshi was well-briefed on the situation. All that needed to be resolved were a few point on the accord itself…
“Ah, Diana Minerva. Director of the Drakonian Diplomatic Corps is it not? I am Orith Hagwonak, Special Envoy of the Vrak Diplomatic Corps. I’m sure we can smooth things over here. The accord looks good, but there are some problems with your suggestions.
Firstly, I’m afraid that this accord will have to cover all of the nations within the United Emirates. After all, since you keep holding to the view of the Klatch being various nations rather than what it is, even after the Landgravine explained it in painstaking detail and a copy of our constitution was provided, I’m afraid we’ll have to insist on this point. As well, nations such as Fyreheart, Aramar, and so on were within this region at the time of the crisis. As well, we are quite certain that Tersanctus would leap to your aid so this accord has to involve your entire region. Be thankful I don’t include your allies such as Glorious Humanity and others.
(OOC: also others such at Britmattia. That is, it’s a cop-out to suggest that a nation once in your region is automatically exempt. Ah, the wonders of NS game mechanics when nations can fly to another region at the click of a mouse. Here, I’m only concerned with nations that are within your region now, since I was not keeping records of your current membership at the time – since I didn’t think it was necessary).
Secondly, the notion of you extending us the courtesy to actually see if you have WMD is absurd. You want to make sure that Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs have no “nuclear weapons material” by inspection, yet you choose not to be inspected yourselves? May I remind you that you were the nation that launched an ICBM first? Either your nation is also inspected by the same system (yourselves, a Klatchian nation, and a neutral party) or no inspections take place at all.
Thirdly, we see that you wish to downplay your political influence. If you want to say that the Imperium merely has a “ceremonial role”, well, that’s fine. But don’t try to pull the wool over my eyes. Intelligence reports suggest that your nation often “rallies the troops” as it were to have other nations within the UE to join your crusades. Here’s but a sample:
Establishment of the Emirate Humanitarian Organization
http://invisionfree.com/forums/United_Emirates/index.php?showtopic=26
War in the Emirate of Lapse
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110391
Drakonia calls for the Emirate Liberation of Aerion
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108336
Quite the ceremonial role it would seem. But frankly, if you want to add that in, that’s fine. The inner workings of your Leadership council is not the issue, but rather the resolution of these minor points.
As well, it’s interesting to note that you don’t want the joint-resolution council in place. All good agreements have a dispute mechanism, but I can see your point about creating more bureaucracy. Therefore, I would like to see the following amendment made from this:
1a) The Imperium will inform the Federation when they believe a violation of the treaty has occurred such that appropriate action may be taken. Including but not limited to attainment.
To this:
1a) Either side (The Imperium and the FKC) will inform the other if and when they believe a violation of the treaty has occurred and agree to resolve the dispute quickly and to the satisfaction of both sides.
There is also the matter of agreeing to whom this “neutral party” will be in regards to inspections. Our short list is (1) Sketch or (2) Scolopendra.
Finally, we accept your definition of “peace” and ask that you remove both Dyelli Beybi and the Federated Klatchian Coast from your “threat levels”. That is, we feel we don’t even warrant a level 5.
Orith stopped, waiting for Diana's reaction.
Drakonian Imperium
12-02-2004, 17:25
Diana was a bit outraged. A hand off and now their courtesy was being thrown in their faces. "Mr. Hagwonak, need I remind you, who launched nuclear weapons against who. Need I remind you who's citizens died in those nuclear strikes. It must continue to insult us and those who died this way, we will withdraw our offer."
General Long, checked the broad smile on his face and turned it into a smug smirk. "If there are to be no inspections, my troops I am sure would be more than willing to do some inspecting," he said quietly, barely audible enough for anyone to hear. For which Diana was thankful.
Diana gave herself a second to recompose herself before she spoke again. "Furthermore, this statement that this agreement is between the United Emirate alliance and the alliance of the Federated Klatchian Coast is entirely untrue. You have made it clear that Klatch is one nation, the United Emirates are not. Hence, these Accords our between our two nations and not your nation and allies in the alliance. The fact that we have allies in the alliance that would jump to our aid mean nothing. We were nuked. There are many nations "
She looked down for a second looking at her notes. "In fact, the majority of Drakonian's allies involved in this conflict our not Emirates. Aramar, Glorious Humanity, Kelanthia, Scandavian States, Vyse King of Rogues, Britmattia, and Ancient and Holy Terra. All are not members of the United Emirates alliance.
"However, if you wish to bring the United Emirates into the negotiation process, I can contact the other members of the Leadership Council and have them come here. They will need to be brought up to date, but it's better to just bring them in them the entire Emirate Senate. Unless, you wish this to be put to a vote before them as well."
She looked back down to her notes. "Next, I am insulted by your comments and apparent ignorance on the operation of the Emirate. The fact that we bring the current situations of different Emirate nations and the world before the Emirate is nothing. It may be true that Drakonia is the driving force behind the actions of the Emirates, an alliance we created, but we are not the Emirates. As I am sure you know, the Imperium gave up it's position as administrator of the alliance, freely and unprompted, once the alliance was large enough to support the Leadership Council. It is also interesting to note that there was no Emirate action during the War in the Emirate nation of Lapse or to liberate the oppressed populace of Aerion.
"Finally, we will agree on your amendment to Article 3, Section 1. I do suggest however that we agree on whom this "neutral party" will be when we have an actual treaty signed. And in closing, the threat levels will be removed for these negotiations, however should negotiations fail the threat levels will return."
Diana sat back down. She sighed quietly to herself. Sometimes I hate my job, she thought.
OOC: At this time, Britmattia was not an Emirate. He has since become an Emirate and then left the alliance. So again he is not an Emirate. Just clarifation to those following this still, who are unclear on that.
Orith merely shrugged and said,
“Let us not go down the path of who exactly started this war. The point is this; you don’t trust us hence the inspections. We don’t trust you; hence the inspections. Simple, no?
And we are quite aware of how much outside help you brought it. We also know that a few nations within the UE were willing to ride to war as well. This has to be with your entire region and the FKC. And I shall not budge on that point. I really don't care if you have to get this treaty voted on or whatever. Suffice to say, I would have to take this back to our Parliament for final approval. But as for the rest, that seems fine. Do you have a shortlist of neutral parties?”
Drakonian Imperium
12-02-2004, 20:03
Diana was quickly losing her patience with the negotiation. "Not simple, Mr. Hagwonak. The reason for the inspections are to ensure the Drakonian peoples safety, from future atrocities."
Diana ignored Orith closing question. "I see less and less a chance of our continued participation in these negotiations. I will contact the United Emirates Leadership Council, and attempt to make the necessary arrangements for their representation. I suggest we adjourn till then."
OOC: Just some clarification. The United Emirates is an alliance, the region is merely a way for the different members to communicate.
Dyelli Beybi
12-02-2004, 23:38
Leaked Inteligence report
OOC: Just to throw a spanner in the works ;)
To: Cyro Port Facilities
From: General der Pioniere
Transport NB-12 to be loaded with classified weapon type 'Starfish'. Security Maximum, 12 Gestapo officers to be assigned to aid in security.
NB-12 to move to 'Deep Sea-1' for retrofit operation.
Orith shrugged again,
“Of course I understand the reason for the inspections Minister. And you can apply the same logic from our point of view. We also want to safeguard our people. After all, if you have nothing to hide then why not allow the inspections?
If you really wish for the rest of the Emirates to be represented, then fine. But I think it would be much quicker if you took the draft that we have here, along with both of our proposed amendments to our respective political bodies.
To make sure I understand, our only two small problems are:
1) You wanting the accord to only cover your nation while we want it to cover your entire region and
2) You not wanting inspections of your facilities while we wish to conduct an inspection, following the formula laid out in the accord, to make sure you have no “nuclear weapons material.”
Perhaps our respective bodies can show some give?”
Orith smiled at Diana.
Orith, then makes a final parting remark to Diana as she leaves,
"The Nekoa Bay accords must cover your entire UE alliance - whether alliance members reside within your region or not. That is, we are quite certain that your alliance will come to your aid should you decide to attack the FKC. After all, the accord binds the entire states of the FKC so it should bind the entire UE alliance. As for the inspection, we only care about 'nuclear weapons material' and not any of your other projects. We aren't exactly happy about you snooping around the Klatch, so perhaps you should have to endure inspections as well. The FKC is full of honourable people, but you question that honour with the inspection. So we question yours - hence the inspections.
And these items must be in the treaty itself, since items promised outside a treaty proper can be quickly reneged and no recourse is available. Surely you understand this basic contract principal - If it isn't in writing, then one will probably not get it."
With that, Orith headed for the nearest bar.
Tersanctus
18-02-2004, 17:57
Patrick Stewart entered the Negotiations Room.
They wanted too bring the entire United Emirates into this...they would get just that.
He pressed the intercom.
"Please see too it that all of the FKC representatives are brought too this room ASAP, we have VERY Important matters to discuss."
Drakonian Imperium
19-02-2004, 00:03
As the delegates filed back into the room, Diana followed them in. She went to her seat and stayed standing. Once everyone was settled she spoke. "The United Emirates' Leadership Council has voted in support of Emirate involvement in these negotiations. Drakonia was the only vote against the resolution. This means several things to these negotiations.
"First, you all should note that each member of the Leadership Council is sending representation to these negotiations to insure Emirate interests. The Tersanctan representative, Mr. Steward." She gestured to Mr. Stewart. "And Drakonian (myself) representative are already, here. The Revenian and Menelmacari representatives are on there way and should be here shortly.
"Second, United Emirate interests need to be assured. Menelmacar requires that no nation of the Federated Klatchian Coast ever engage in the murdering, killing, or otherwise harming of any Elves, of any kind, whatsoever. Tersanctus wishes it made clear that the Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical disarmament only applies to Drakonian, itself. There are also economic interests we would like assured.
"Finally, the Emirates would like these negotiations concluded as quickly as possible so shall we continue."
Rel grumbed annoyedly. He really did hate these petty squabbles. Especially the insistance on him showing in person. That was what -really- ticked him off. He preferred to operate from the Menacles, it was safer that way.
Regardless, Rel tightened his grasp on his tri-staff as he stepped in, and his ornate and -very- expensive clothing showed his toned body off to the best effect. His luxurious crimson curls fell down the back of his neck, and he frowned grimly as he surveyed the assembled.
"Alright. What in the name of CRAP NEBULA, is so BLAZING IMPORTANT, that I had to drop everything I was doing, and mosey on down here. HMM?"
Rel mumbled under his breath. It was all part of the plan, of course, but, that was quite alright.
Drakonian Imperium
19-02-2004, 00:44
Diana looked to the arriving, shooting Revenia. "Ah, I see the Revenian Delegate has arrived."
She smiled politely at the man. Remembering his full name, System Administrator His Excellence Rel Markinson, Earl Hartford, she decided to politely shorten it. "Earl Hartford, if you will have a seat. I am sure Mr. Hagwonak." She gestured to the Vrakian Delegate who was now representing the Klatchian interests. "Can explain, why you are here."
She sat down, opening the floor to the Walrus, and waited for him to explain to Rel Markinson the reason the United Emirates had been brought directly into negotiations.
Dyelli Beybi
19-02-2004, 23:35
During the negotiation pause, Herr Himmler had vanished, presumably back to Dyelli Beybi, although he had been replaced by a General in a field grey uniform with a much greater compliment of staff, also wearing field grey. A whispered conversation started up amongst the aides upon the arrival of the delegate from Revenia, although one woman spoke a little too loudly when she noted he sounded like he was "straight off the farm".
Orith Hagwonak smiled at the ourburst from the Revenia representative and thought are all these UE alliance members so uncouth?
He then turned his massive head towards Diana and said, "Ah, well, I'm not so big on titles, but you may refer to me as 'Ambassador Hagwonak' or 'Ambassador'. Or you can call me Orith. The title 'mister' is not commonly used in our lands."
A dismissive wave of his flipper.
"But anyhow, it is good to see that more UE members are interested in the negotiations. However, I do not want to use these accords to try and advance their own agendas nor clutter up the accords unnecessarily. In other words, we dismiss the Menelmacari claim of wanting the Klatch to never "engage in the murdering, killing, or otherwise harming of any Elves, of any kind, whatsoever." This falls outside of the scope of these particular accords. If the Menelmacari representative would kindly review the latest points, there are only two stumbling blocks:
1) The nature of the inspections being carried out in Drakonia and
2) The nature of this accord being binding upon all members of the UE alliance.
Kindly do not introduce a third obstacle. As far as I personally know, no elves have been harmed in the FKC."
He then turned to the Tersanctan Mr. Stewart. [OOC: is it "Stewart" or Steward"?]
"The fact that you do not want inspections carried out on your soil implies that you do have WMDs of a nuclear, chemical, or biological nature. Which is interesting to note for future considerations in dealing with your nation. However..."
Another wave.
"...this does not concern us. You misinterprete our intent. We only want the inspections for 'nuclear weapons material' carried out in the Drakonian Imperium (representing the UE side) and, quite frankly, care little if anyone else in the UE has such weapons. From a military standpoint, we assume that all UE members have such weapons and that the common methods of delivering said weapons, such as ICBMS, means that they do have WMDs, unless proven otherwise.
Let me further clarify. We want these accords to be binding on all members of the UE alliance, unless certain sections in the accord specifically mention individual nations or states. For example, in the last article, which I have conveniently renumbered and slightly altered:
III The United Emirates and Federated Klatchian Coast agree to:
1) A Non-Aggression Pact between the The Sovereign Federated Klatchian Coast and the United Emirates.
a) The Non-Aggression Pact will protect each entity from Interference and Invasion by each other.
b) Either side (The UE and the FKC) will inform the other if and when they believe a violation of the treaty has occurred and agree to resolve the dispute quickly and to the satisfaction of both sides.
So therefore, the scope of the non-agression pact is not limited to only the Drakonian Imperium but to all of the UE. I realize that section "b" is slightly altered, but I had to drop the wording 'Imperium' since we view this section as involving the entire UE and the whole of the Klatch.
So...perhaps we should be absolutely clear on who is what."
Orith scribbled out a slightly altered paragraph of the very first section of the accords:
Nekoa Bay Accords
The Terms Klatchian, Klatch, Federation, and FKC shall refer to the Federated Klatchian Coast as a whole. This includes, but not necessarily limited to, the states of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Weilding Maniacs.
The Term JDF, shall refer to the Joint Defense Force and The Privy Council of the Federated Klatchian Coast which controls it.
The Terms The United Emirates and UE shall refer to the United Emirates. The United Emirates is an alliance which includes members that are not only found within the United Emirates region but also members that may be in different regions.
The Terms the Drakonian Imperium, the Imperium, and Drakonia shall refer to the Drakonian Imperium, which is the current Chair of the United Emirate Leadership Council.
Neutral Party, shall refer to a party, agreed to by both the United Emirates and The Federated Klatchian Coast, which has no interests whatsover in either side.
"Please note that the phrase 'includes members that are not only found within the United Emirates region but also members that may be in different regions' does not mean that all nations within the UE region are members of the alliance. Perhaps a formal list of current UE members can be submitted after the accords so as to minimize any treaty violations. After all, we wouldn't want to intrude upon a UE member's interest unknowingly. As well, I'm quite sure that this agreement implies that if an organization merely changes its name does not mean that organization suddenly renders their commitments as outlined in these accords void. We shall, of course, furnish a full listing of our current composition. I'm sure that any future conflicts would most likely result from either side not knowing who is who and therefore updated listings should be done periodically. [OOC: basically, when a problem comes up.]
To reassure Mr. Stewart, only the issue of inspections to search for 'nuclear weapons material' will be carried out in the Drakonian Imperium, Dyelli Beybi, Axe Weilding Maniacs, and Fasta Benj. So Tersanctus does not have to worry about any inspections."
Finally, we thank you for the withdrawal of the naval forces and we look forward to the installation of the current Drakonian missile defense technology for all the members of the FKC."
Orith smiled.
Dyelli Beybi
20-02-2004, 11:21
The comment on harming elves caused further sniggering among the Dyelli Beybians. They seemed to find something about this distinctly amusing.
Tersanctus
21-02-2004, 11:59
OOC: Stewart....**gives Drako the Evi Eye**
IC:
Patrick Stewart stood up, bent over slightly, and looked at The Ambassador from Vrak directly in the eyes.
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"Well, Ambassador Hagwonak....Your....comment..on whether or not we do have WMD's or not, I feel is overstepping your bounds. Tersanctus does NOT have any WMD's we have never had an Instance of their use,or published any reports as too having any as such. We simply wish to affirm that the treaty assignment is applied solely too Drakonia,...And that is if he has agreed to it, and not been coerced into it by these proceedings."
Patrick picked up the revised copy of the accords.
"I had the chance to read the originial version of this..."
Patrick began too slowly circle the table.
"While most of it seemed reasonable enough...."
He than threw the papes on the table.
"You PEOPLE COULD NOT EVEN SPELL "Emirates", RIGHT! You need a definition of peace? These things are not neccessary to be discussed!!" he yelled.
"What kind of representation does the FKC have? How are we supposed to take anything seriously? For Christsakes! YOU NUKED US!! And throw your constitution or whatever legal mumbo jumbo you want at us! MILLIONS of INNOCENT citizens are DEAD!! Because of the former Tzar of Dyelli Beybi...And YOU have the audacity to accuse Tesanctus of having WMD's, you have the audacity to sit there and mock the good will of the UE to agree to these accords, rather than prolonging the fighting and the bloodshed...Ambassador...Officials serve their PEOPLE! Not "national interests"!! The UE doesnt give a damn about your constitution, the hundreds of thousands of innocent children, whom are orphaned, by, according to YOUR definitions, The one Nation of The Federated Klatchian Coast, than their blood is just as much on your hands!" he fumed,
He threw the paper in the middle of the table.
"Now,....would you please, just sign the DAMN thing, so we can all go home, and put this all behind us?" He said quietly, but firmly.
Orith shrugged and then replied directly to Mr. Stewart,
“I’m sure that any typos can be fixed by our respective staff. If you are keeping up on current events, Mr Stewart, you will find that there are only two sticking points that need to be addressed – of which we already explained. Perhaps I need to refresh them for you:
1) That inspections need to be carried out in the Drakonian Imperium.
2) That parts of the accord that do not specifically mention individual states of the FKC or individual nations of the UE must be binding on the entire UE and FKC.
As well, it’s not audacity to make that claim but a logical guess. Besides, why are you so excited? Your nation is not subject to inspections in these accords. And we won’t be forced into signing any type of accord that we don’t feel satisfied with. Sorry for causing you inconvenience."
Orith grinned.
OOC: Try to remember that Orith is nearly two metric tons and is hardly intimidated by the posturing of a mere human. :)
Alcona and Hubris
21-02-2004, 18:58
A junior officer from Alcona and Hubris. Here to advise the Vrakians whispers in the Ambassador's ear.
"Two points, first we are fully willing to protect all elven populations currently in the Federation whe were present at the beginning of this war is fully acceptable, hell we might as well give it to them for a further concession. After all, there are only some 4,000 of the buggers living in Jiggady and they are part of the rulling party.
Second, point out that the non-agression treaty protects the UE from further attack since to violate the tready would bring the wrath of the Federation government and it's massive military might..." He stands back, waiting to see any further responses.
OOC: Elves, really people we don't have any stinking elves, well Jiggady does but he never really seemed to be all that anti-elf anyway.
The Ambassador replied back in Vrakian since he’s quite aware of the officer language exchange program that exists between the two countries.
“Wasfdjk iafuw fksj…”
Translated from Vrakian.
-Well, the elf proposal by Menelmacar we feel is merely a subtle way of them trying to influence the internal affairs of the Klatch. I’m quite aware of what Menelmacar likes to do when perceived threats upon elven populations are received. However, they never were able to provide a legal basis for their so-called Kinslayer laws. Remember the World Court? Rather than making their case and therefore establishing legal precedence, they blew the whole affair off. Sorry, but we take a rather dim view on Menelmacar’s actions. Besides, it falls outside of the scope of these particular accords. What does protecting elven populations have to do with this whole process? None whatsoever. It’s an attempt at intimidation. Also, you would think that the UE would see the benefit of having the non-aggression pact applied to all the members since it would protect all of their members. But Ipshi was right, they are a rather thick-headed lot.
Dyelli Beybi
22-02-2004, 11:05
(OOC) Err, actually on elves. They supposedly live in the Enchanted forest on the Gonad peninsular. They are occasionally incinerated by Dyelli Beybian flame thrower units stationed to keep the forest from spreading.
(IC) The Dyelli Beybian General cleared his throat, "Actually, during the nuclear hollocaust it is well documented that Tersanctus threatened Dyelli Beybi with nuclear repsials on a grand scale. We fail to see how this fits in with Tersanctus having 'no nuclear weapons'. How can we deal with countries that are not being honest with us?"
Alcona and Hubris
22-02-2004, 21:27
(OOC) Err, actually on elves. They supposedly live in the Enchanted forest on the Gonad peninsular. They are occasionally incinerated by Dyelli Beybian flame thrower units stationed to keep the forest from spreading.
(IC) The Dyelli Beybian General cleared his throat, "Actually, during the nuclear hollocaust it is well documented that Tersanctus threatened Dyelli Beybi with nuclear repsials on a grand scale. We fail to see how this fits in with Tersanctus having 'no nuclear weapons'. How can we deal with countries that are not being honest with us?"
Ah, as I recall the Gonad peninsula is ruled by Jiggady...
Drakonian Imperium
23-02-2004, 00:51
Derek smiled at the comments of the Revenian Delegate and the not-so-whispered comments of the Dyelli Beybians about the Revenian Delegate. He was only smiling at annoyance after those comments, at not until the Tersanctan Delegate lost all control over a minor clerical error, which he found to be one of the most amusing things, yet.
Diana remained not so open about her emotions, be they true or faked. She had nodded at Orith's comment about his title, but had otherwise kept her face neutral while making notes (something she actually hoped would annoy the Klatchians) as she allowed the other delegate their dialogue (a term she thought most loosely decribed what had happened after the arrival of the Emirate Representatives). She found it a bit agrivating that she was actually hoping she was annoying the Klatchians, whether or not she thought it would speed negotiations. She was becoming another General Derek Long, she worried.
Nevertheless, she tried to maintain the diplomatic beering required of her job. Both she and General Long had nodded politely at the Vrakian's thanks for the naval withdrawal, neither mention the main reason for the withdrawal. The fact that Drakonia deemed the Dark Lord Melkor and his Arda Alliance a much larger threat than all of Klatch. Those things were best left unsaid, and peace was the other, more minor, reason for withdrawal, so they let it go. Beside, the Intelligence people would have them draw and hung it they blew the wistle on the operation that was now taking former in the Ardan Nations of Fyreheart and Rukemia.
Finally, Diana stood up again (this time hoping to stop a response after the Tersanctan's outburst). The others had talked (something she also thought very loosely described waht had happened, now she had to lay out Drakonian's concerns. "If I may comment on the things that have been said?" It was a cleverly and diplomaticly hidden rhetorical question.
She saw a nod (she hoped there was more than one, especially because this one came from General Long) and proceeded. "First, I would like to make clear that..." She looked down to her notes. "The Imperium no longer represents solely represents the United Emirates, that now rests on each member state of the Leadership Council attending. That is Tersanctus." She gestured to Mr. Stewart. "Revenia." She gestured to Rel Markinson. "And Drakonia." She nodded her head slightly. "We expect a Menelmacari Representative, but it is possible they may deem that the current representation is enough for the United Emirates interests."
She looked back down to her notes. "Next, I believe Ambassador Hagwonak misinterpreted the Tersanctan concerns. I said that it was Tersanctus' concern that other Emirates would be inspected. The Leadership Council represents each Emirate. They/we must ensure that their concerns, their interest are represented. That is what Tersanctus did, not insinuate that their nation had or has any of these unconventional weapons."
She again glanced down at her notes, looking to the next issue. "Umm...thricely, Ambassador Hagwonak, you said that 'if an organization merely changes its name does not mean that organization suddenly renders their commitments as outlined in these Accords void.' I am sorry, if I am misunderstanding your words, but this seems to me to mean, that if a nation leaves either the United Emirated or the Federated Klatchian Coast that the Accords still apply to them. I would like to disagree, if I understand that statement correctly. These Accords should only bind, member provinces of Klatch and member states of the Emirate. If they leave either the nation of Klatch or the Emirate alliance then the Accord would no longer bind them. I understand this is simantecs, but I believe it is binding to these negotiations to prevent future problems, as you do."
At the mention of the provinces of Klatch, Derek Long had leaned back in his chair, looked behind Diana, caught the attention of her assistant (sitting on her other side), and made some comment about the 'overly militarized provinces'. This had prompted her to discreetly and under the table spill him back out of his seat with her foot, which had nearly happened. Fortunately, General Long had righted himself in time, cause minor snickers and smiles among the delegate of lesser mental control. He mummled something about her 'school yard antics', which reminded her how much his falling out of the chair would have degraded the Drakonian position in the eyes of the other delegates present (even if it would give her emmense pleasure). She was thankful as she continued that they had not made more of a scene of themselve, but all was quickly forgotten at her next words.
Both Diana and Derek had noted the Dyelli Beybian reaction to the mention of elven protection. Next, Diana proceeded to that topic. "On the topic of the Menelmacari assurances of elven protection." She tried to say what she had to as diplomaticly as possible. "I am sorry to say that by bringing in the United Emirates into these negotiations, you brought in Emirate interests. It is unfortunate that this will complicate negotiations, but these interests are valid." She didn't add the 'I told you so,' but it didn't need saying.
She continued. "Racism, especially against elves has remained a current issue. Menelmacar and the other Emirates are against racism in all it's evil forms. The direct protection of elves is the perogative of Menelmacar, but their protection is supported fully by the Emirates. Since this is now a Klatchian/Emirate negotiations these issues are now part of our negotiations and must therefore be addressed."
She looked solemn at the Klatchians, her gaze ending with the Dyelli Beybians. "I am sorry to state that our concerns are very valid." There was a nod to her assistant, who produced several folders, which were passed to all the delegates on either side. "Inside these folders are statements made by the Dyelli Beybi government, which are clearly anti-Elven in origin. These threats include support for the anhililation of elves and the implication of cruel expirementation on elves. This is something we cannot overlook. We must have assuranced that Elves will not be furtherly mistreated or killed in any way as part of the Accords, otherwise they are null and void."
Inside the folders were an assortment of documents, arranged chronilogicaly, which read:
Dyelli Beybi is proud to announce it is 100% Elf-free. We never had any Elves. Pointy-eared funny creatures that look a bit like humans but more effeminate have been analysed in depth by scientists and decided to actually be a form of shrub, found to be highly combustable, it is ideal as kindling.
It is felt that while Elves are not an issue in Dyelli Beybi, except on the Eastern border when some have been incinerated, that being the usual proceeure when treating potentially magical entities from the East, that giving them the same rights as humans would be a grave error.
Dyelli Beybi is one of many Provinces within the greater nation of Klatch, and we have in the past been threatened by elves. This was one of the many reasons the Nation of Klatch first came into existance, as a Union to oppose Elven agression. Time and time again it has been demonstrated that while elves claim to be in favour of peace and love, their Governments act with vengefullness and hatred as well as display an unwillingness to forgive that is condemned when manifested in human states. It seems that when carried out by elven states it is keenly encouraged. Should Rotovia allow full rights to these creatures, it will undoubtedly result in further bullying from Elven Nations supposedly 'supporting their minority' while in fact simply going by their imperialistic dreams. Rotovia will become no more than a puppet of the elven Empire.
We pledge a willingness to aid Rotovia against enemy agression should it be the outcome, as assuredly it will be, from a positive result in parliament.
NOTE: Dyelli Beybi wrote on the decision of the Rotovian Senate that Elves were not sentient beings:
Dyelli Beybi finds the decision to be truly enlightened.
It is of no concern to us. Other forms of miscellaneous flora have been around for much longer than these so called 'elves'. No matter how long they have been around, they should be immediately be exterminated before they can cause any more harm than they already have.
She had paused for the delegates to read the documents before she continued. "I believe those statements clearly outline the threat of racism and genocide that the current regime of the Klatchian province of Dyelli Beybi presents to the world. The events that lead up to these negotiations involved attempted genocide of Drakonia. We cannot allow Dyelli Beybi to furtherly engage in it's racist and xenocidal policies, against our people, against the Emirates, or against anyone of any race. I believe that makes our position clear." She made clear it was a deal-breaker she would not budge on, something the Alcona and Hubris minor representative apparently caught by his whisperings.
"Finally." Diana made a final quick glance down at her notes. "The issue of United Emirate involvement has been settled by a vote of the Leadership Council. As I stated earlier, the issue passed with only Drakonia opposing. Therefore, these Accords, if signed--" The way she stressed 'if signed' clearly indicated her skepticism on that subject. "--will 'bind both the Federated Klatchian Coast and the United Emirates.' For that reason, I no longer see it as an issue of our diplomatic talks.
"Unless..." And she left it at that, sitting back down.
OOC: Oops...said too much. Sorry, T. Anyway, for more information on Dyelli Beybi's extracurricular activities see these threads (as a description of them would have been provided in the folders passed to everyone):
Rotovian Senate decides: Elves not Sentient (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122141)
Rotovian President denies ruling of Senate. Elves sentient after all? (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124648)
I just wanted to make clear what the Drakonian Delegation is implying about Dyelli Beybi. I had to go to a dictionary to make clear I was insinuating the right things while writing this post, so I thought I better make it clear, being as the words I use are generally not used, except when stating the evil of men like Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, and Castro. Anyway, here is a quick English lesson, from what I read (DISCLAIMER: Possibly, not necessarily true in all cases or uses, simply how I meant for them to mean in my usage. Please direct all lawsuits to Webster's).
Genocide: The systematic killing of a whole people or nation.
Xenocide: The systematic killing of all strangers or foriegners.
Alcona and Hubris
23-02-2004, 02:09
Somewhere a Olympian Assasin kills a poor, unsuspecting double post.
Alcona and Hubris
23-02-2004, 02:11
The Alconian officer, realizing that several problems had ensued decided to see if he could gain a better guage of the total Alliance members present on the item of 'elves'.
"Ah yes, I'm afraid that we need to define what an elf is in this situation. After all, I know of several aboral creatures that some have labled 'elves' that are no more sentient than rats, even if they have pointy ears. I should point out that when I finished Biology there was something like fourteen catagories of elves that varied in height and intellegence. From Tolkian elves to proto-elves that had fur and a head case smaller than a squirl. I'm afraid to make the comment, as elf rights are such a touchy point in the world, but we need to examine the nature creatures we are discussing in a complete context."
He looked at the Delbians with a bit of a crooked smile. "First, all of the data you have provided shows that the creatures in question are part of the Gondad peninsula. Second, that under the previous governments of the Communists and the Tzarists that these creatures were exterminated as they 'illegally crossed the border'. I should point out that the shooting or killing of a trespassing indivudal is somewhat harsh, and possibly Xenophobic, it is not Xenocide since as far as I can tell not all foriengers have been executed or killed within the state in question."
He took a deep breath, alright I'm not sure how these people are going to take this but oh well...
"I'm also afraid to say this since Siri and her fellow Meneclamarian elves have achived so much that few wish to question elf intellegence. But that issue must be fully examined in this case. I'm afraid that no one knows the orgin or history of the Gonadian elf population, only that it lived under the boot of the elf hating state of Christofi for almost a hundread years."
He paused to let that sink in. How many nations had cheered the death of that nation but didn't investigate the aftermath of it's fall. No they just left someone else to clean up the mess. Siri never really has grown up for all her years.
"After the collapse of that nation, the Gonadad peninsula was sold to Jiggady. They have spent little time investigating the elven population or it's intelligence." He shrugged, to get into the middle of it...Jiggady really had little control over the Peninsula. Expecially the forests as they tended to be a bit problematic.
"The real problem I'm trying to point out is that your demand is either tantamount to forcing the entire Klatch to be over run by what may be the equivilant of a ferral proto-elf population. If they are less than self-aware. Or if they are intelligent creatures, as a good number of elven populations are, then their attempts to illegally cross the border are done with a level of understanding that they are not allowed on the other side of the border.
Their illegal immgration is being meet with deadly force. That policy is no diffrent then burning humans who try to illegally cross. Or are you now saying that our states don't have the right to maintain their own imigration policies. Or perhaps you desire us to treat elves as a 'special' race just because they have the proclaimed goddess Siri on their side? To allow them to flaunt the laws of the Klatch because Siri and her minions may attack you if you actually punish them for their transgressions."
He realized that he had just wandered into the real problem his own people had with elves, their seemingly international devotion to Siri and her nation and the expense of those they lived in. The Dual Duchy had not problem with elven nations or with Siri, but a divided duty seemed like an easy path to treason.
OOC: Really I think the elves of Christofi are more 'walking zombies' than anything. I mean were talking Christofi here. :?
Ah If I might be so bold to point something unfortunate about the elves of the Gonad peninsula. Which
Drakonian Imperium
23-02-2004, 05:27
"Sir," Diana addressed the Alcona Officer. "Our opinion, of the burning of humans is just the same. It's cruel and murder. There are always non-lethal alteratives." She paused to let it sink in.
"I'm sorry, Sir." Her tone remained respectful and diplomatic. "But your response seems to be to not show an understanding of this issue. It you look at Dyelli Beybi statements and their context it is clear, as to what, they are referring and it is not little furry non-sentient mammals. I kindly ask you to against review the information we have presented, specificly entailing to the issues in Rotovia.
"Finally, Sir," she finished. "I would ask you to not further insult those you are negotiating with. Menelmacar is part of the leadership of the United Emirates."
General Derek Long, was much less diplomatic. "Maybe the Elves 'treat' Sirithil so 'special' because she does the same to them," he said quietly, barely loud enough for anyone to hear.
Orith smiled and then replied,
“Well, actually, you brought in your entire UE leadership because we wanted the accords to be binding on all UE members. I suppose it is your certain internal protocols that dictate bringing in the UE leadership council. That’s fine with us. Again, unless the accords specifically mention an individual nation or state, the accords must be binding on all the UE. I take it that inspections of the Drakonian Imperium is fine with the UE leadership council?
Let me clarify about the name change issue. Sometimes, in order to escape from a bad reputation an organization will change its name yet still retain the same members and principles. So I believe that a simple name change should not be an ‘easy way out’ as it were to escape treaty obligations. And of course if a nation leaves either the UE or the FKC then that nation is not bound by these accords. Sorry for any earlier misunderstanding.
Furthermore, the position of not harming elves introduced by Menelmacar and obviously supported by yourselves represented here (the Drakonian Imperium, Tersanctus, and Revenia) only complicates matters. How we treat our respective populations is an internal matter and quite frankly, none of your concern. You are attempting to interfere in the sovereignty of the Klatch by forcing us to adopt your agenda. We don’t care about how you treat your own populations so why should you bring up this red herring? Really, it needlessly complicates matters.
Perhaps we need to find our focus here. These accords are to address the issues surrounding the unfortunate incident of the Drakonian Imperium suffering damage from a nuclear strike. Elven rights have absolutely nothing to do with it at all.”
Orith grinned at the UE representatives, especially at General Long.
Dyelli Beybi
23-02-2004, 10:59
(OOC) Err, actually on elves. They supposedly live in the Enchanted forest on the Gonad peninsular. They are occasionally incinerated by Dyelli Beybian flame thrower units stationed to keep the forest from spreading.
(IC) The Dyelli Beybian General cleared his throat, "Actually, during the nuclear hollocaust it is well documented that Tersanctus threatened Dyelli Beybi with nuclear repsials on a grand scale. We fail to see how this fits in with Tersanctus having 'no nuclear weapons'. How can we deal with countries that are not being honest with us?"
Ah, as I recall the Gonad peninsula is ruled by Jiggady...
(OOC) Yep, but by Diocletion's old RP for the forest, the forest is alive and doesn't like humans, especially Dyelli Beybians. The only reason it hasn't expanded into Dyelli Beybi is a) there's no fresh water anywhere near the border, and b) there are guys wandering up and down the border burning stuff. Thats why on Fasta Benj's old map of the region there is an area of Napalm related wasteland in the border region.
One of the large cadre of aides handed the General, a manilla folder. He put on his spectacles, then opened it, "Now...long before Christofi inhabited the Gonad peninsular, it was inhabited by a Nation known as Diocletion. Embeded in Dyelli Beybian laws of the First Tzarist, post-Tzarist Communist, second Tzarist and Democratic Socialist regimes has remained a law that all flora and fauna crossing from the peninsular is to be destroyed. This is, and I quote "to prevent the encroachment of magical entities into the non-magical environment of the Djel and Fasta." This of course refers to modern day Dyelli Beybi and Fasta Benj."
He paused, taking a swig of water from a glass an aide handed to him, "Thank you, now where was I....oh yes...Since of course, this area has always had a human population it has been allowed for people carrying a passport or other suitable token to be permitted to cross at a designated border crossings without threat of violence.
"Do not mistake us, if Dyelli Beybi were not a desert, we would have long since been overgrown by this enchanted forest. It exists on one offshore island, which has not been incinerated, due to it being the last breeding ground of the endangered 'pointless albatross'.
"Recent surveys of the forest indicate no noticeable expansion during the period of unrest."
He paused again, leafing through the file, "Here we come to so called 'elves'. Studies by Communist era scientists on these creatures indicate a certain 'woodiness' suggesting they are in fact flora rather than fauna, meaning they are not covered by the 'Needless Cruelty to Animals Act'. We believe they are in some way, a walking manifestation of the trees that make the Enchanted Forest such an unpleasant place.
"However, this is an entirely moot point. These negotiations are to discuss the nature of the issue of nuclear weapons, not the biological nature of so called 'Elves' nor their rights in society. We hasten to add, if any show up at the border with a valid Klatchian passport they will not be incinerated, in accordance with the Constitution of the Federation of Klatch."
Orith added, “Indeed,” nodding to the Dyellian, “Our southwest borders a jungle which is home to the fierce homosexual monkey – a result of some kind of mad experiments. Since these creatures would sometimes wander into our lands, we had to take heavy-handed measures to ensure the safety of our people. Same as we did to the wandering Orc tribes along our northern borders. Flamethrowers and heavy machine gun fire make for an effective deterrent.”
Orith sighed.
“Frankly, I grow tired of you UE people trying to dictate how we run our internal affairs. There are only two issues left that need to be resolved: the nature of the inspections in Drakonia and that the accords bind all the members of the UE alliance unless certain sections specify otherwise.”
Drakonian Imperium
23-02-2004, 16:47
Diana was tired of being insulted. She stood and planted her hands on the table. "Frankly, my dear Mr. Hagwonak, I don't give a damn," she shot back. "I am tired of being continually insulted and railroaded, when it is the Federated Klatchian Coast, which committed an Act of Agression and a Crime against Humanity, itself, by using Nuclear Weapons for the destruction of an innocent civilian population.
"The Menelmacar condition for it's vote for Emirate involvement in these negotiations was that assurances would be added to the protection of Elves in Klatch. Have them all deported, for all the hades I care. No doubt, Menelmacar or some other Elven nation will be glad to have them. By denying Elven Protection you deny Emirate involvement."
Derek Long smiled smugly back at Orith, after Diana's statements, as it was clear that the reason she was gathering her papers to leave.
Orith looked incredulous.
“Railroaded? There are only two final points to agree upon. We've made a lot of headway already. We’ve already stated our objections to the Menelmacari proposal. Perhaps you can connect to dots between a nuclear stike upon your lands and elven rights, but I certainly cannot. Elven rights have nothing to do whatsoever with this current issue. As well, Menelmacar failed to make their case at the World Court – the one that our nation hosted that staved off a war between Menelmacar and Christofi.
Really, by bringing up this ‘elven rights’ issue I think you are trying to intimidate the Klatch. How we treat elves or any other creatures within the FKC is an internal matter. Why can’t you address our two points about inspections in your country, Diana, and the point about the accords binding all of the UE alliance and all of the FKC unless certain sections of the accord only mention certain nations or states? You haven't even offered a counter-proposal to those two points.
As well, you keep on bringing up the damage that the nuclear strikes caused - never mind the fact of you launching ICBMs first at Al Anbar - but compensation has already been made. To the tune of at least 5.7 trillion Kronors from Dyelli Beybi and Fasta Benj. And who knows exactly what AWM offered to pay. And that doesn't include the 5 billion from the UTP Disaster fund.
We intend to stay until an agreement can be reached. If you walk out, history will judge the UE alliance as failing to achieve peace."
And now Rel stepped in. His left hand held behind his back, he held his Tri-Staff with his right. He turned to settle gaze on the Vrakian Ambassador.
"Bribery? Come now, I may not speak for the UE, but I can speak for the Supremacy. Money can never compensate for human lives. Furthermore, You are making threats, my good man. I tend to expect something better from civilized men and women then petty threats, of course, maybe my expectations are simply a little too high for what you pass off as a civilization to handle. Throughout this conference, you have done little but insult, demand, insult, and mangle the truth. I do hope that diplomacy will hold, I really do, but it seems you have annoyed my Drakonian Colleague almost to the point of insanity. I simply can't understand why you insist on dominating everything, if it is from some personal weakness, I suggest you learn to rise above your own mortal coil, and civilize your barbarian tendencies. You, Mr. Ambassador, Not Ms. Minerva, but -you- and -your- colleagues seem to be the obstacle to peace, though I fear my colleagues may have taken some fault in the matter as well. In closing, I would like to make a request that we at least attempt to discuss this as civilized people. If that proves impossible, then you, and in fact all of these assembled peoples, have failed miserably in their duties. Thank you."
With that, Rel returned to his spot off in the background...god, this -was- getting tedious.
Alcona and Hubris
24-02-2004, 04:51
The Alconian officer is a bit confused by the last speech, since it seemed to go nowhere.
"Ah I think we are thowing insults around like five year olds. Now could we all please take a deep breath an look at the matter calmly."
He shakes his head, trying to understand the idiotic moral morass those on the other side of the table lived in. They had no concept of Real Poltick or anyting similar. As far as they were concerned if a small dose helps then force the patient to drink the bottle.
"First, If I understand what the UE represenatives are saying is that a non-agression treaty between themselves and the Federation is impossible without some assurances that elves are not going to be abused within the Federation."
He turns to the Vrakian, "It would appear that this is a major item within the governing body of the UE. As they are unlikely to untangle the full implications of the internal mechanics of the Federation, I am hesident to attempt to untangle the internal politics of their orginization." He looks across the table with a wry grin.
"Now, a decleration of elven rights or some other mechanisim is far more dangerous to the elven population in Jiggady due to the large number of non-human, sentiant species within the Klatch. They might be seen as spies, interlopers, what have you. It likely would make their lives in Jiggady, if less than ideal now, worse by being the targets of some unhappy, non-human populations that tend to slaughter those they don't like."
He laid his hands out on the table. "In my understanding, Sirithil wants elves treated as fairly as humans. So I propose that we add:
To ensure peace between the United Emeriates(sp) and the Federated Klatchian Coast, The Federation agrees that elves shall be treated no diffrently than humans in the Federation.
Of couse we will also have to add that:
Elves refer to the senient, non-human, forrest dwelling population of the Gonaad Peninsula With these ammendments will the UE agree to be bound to the non-agression pact with the Federation?"
Orith dismissed the Revenian representative with a casual wave and said “There was no mention of bribery. The numbers that I mentioned earlier were figures of compensation that were already agreed upon between the Imperium, Dyelli Beybi, and Fasta Benj. Not bribery at all. Of course money cannot replace loved ones, but it's an attempt to make ammends. If you see it as mere bribery, then that's your problem. And as far as being obstacles, you would notice that we, the FKC, are trying to reduce the number of items to agree upon on the accords, not add to them. Although, I suppose, we could always add more demands and prolong them like you seem to be doing.”
Orith leaned forward.
“Truly, upon perusal of the accords as they presently are, I honestly fail to see how elves, or any other sentients for that matter, and their treatment within the Klatch, which is an internal matter, have anything to do with the nuclear strikes upon Drakonian territory. Humour me. Try to convince me logically instead of saying it ought to be included within the accords because you happen hold a certain belief?”
Orith then cocked his head and listened to the Alconian officer.
"Hmmmm. Since such elves are within the Klatch then they are subject to the laws of the land, which in this case is the Klatch as outlined by our constitution, so..."
Orith rolled his eyes and sighed.
"...I suppose that this counter offer by our able Alconian oficer seems somewhat reasonable. Mind you, I would like to hear from any of the UE delegate how, in a logical manner, that the internal affairs of the Klatch regarding treatment of elves somehow relates to the nuclear strikes."
Alcona and Hubris
24-02-2004, 17:43
The Alconian officer wispers into Orith's 'ear'....
Orith whispered back in Vrakian.
-"...and perhaps you should best tell them."
Tersanctus
25-02-2004, 08:07
"Actually, during the nuclear hollocaust it is well documented that Tersanctus threatened Dyelli Beybi with nuclear repsials on a grand scale. We fail to see how this fits in with Tersanctus having 'no nuclear weapons'. How can we deal with countries that are not being honest with us?"
Patrick looked at the Dyellian General.
"And I assure you, that at the time, if we indeed had them, we would most likely have used them. The threat was too hold off any other possible attacks. Drakonia and Tersanctus, as you all know are neighboring countries, we are practically one nation. We came very close to being struck ourselves, had one landed on our soil, things would have ended very differently." Patrick stated cooly.
He thought to himself of the upcoming Blood Pact with Pantera and AMF, not too mention other alliances,....the FKC would be such an easy target for Reavers, Sentinels, and Templar. But that was a horrible thought, and peace was the only alternative here. Peace he thought to himself.
"Seek not revenge, for it is the errand of fools." The teaching of Kungshao, the Dragon-God of War curiously enough, but that was a mistranslation....God of Defense would be more accurate.
Tersanctus
25-02-2004, 08:19
"In my understanding, Sirithil wants elves treated as fairly as humans. So I propose that we add:
To ensure peace between the United Emeriates(sp) and the Federated Klatchian Coast, The Federation agrees that elves shall be treated no diffrently than humans in the Federation.
Of couse we will also have to add that:
Elves refer to the senient, non-human, forrest dwelling population of the Gonaad Peninsula With these ammendments will the UE agree to be bound to the non-agression pact with the Federation?"
Patrick looked at the Alconan....and smiled.
"I have absolutely no objections to this, indeed, Speaking solely for Tersanctus, we would wish to introduce nothing, that would further alter or disrupt the lives of any native poulations, furhter than we already have."
"Menelmacar, simply wishes too ensure the saftey of her kin....Though she is a bit.........persistent of it at times, it would be the same as a request from the Vrakian Ambassador wishing to ensure the saftey of sentient Walruses n the UE....(Patrick winced, hoping he wasnt giving any Ideas)..So, I propose that we add the Amendment, and sign this Treaty, once and for all. But not with reservations, and not with any ill will, These negotiations are too ensure a lasting peace, and too show the Good Will of the UE and FKC."
Tersanctus
25-02-2004, 08:42
From the airport too the Negotiating table, Executor Edmund Dantes had flown in his car, most likely breaking several of the Countries traffic laws, He could just use Diplomatic Immunity. But on too the negotiations, Patrick had called him several hours earlier, asking him too make an appearance. Why...he didnt know. But things would be made clear too him when he arrived, Patrick assured him.
He walked up the stairs, rather than the Elevator. Here Edmund had grown more Confident in his role of Executor of Tersanctus, especially now that he was engaged to Alyssa, and than there was Jolene and Aug. But the main thing that filled him with confidence, Kungshao himself, he was the Incarnate, but it was best too keep that secret, only a handful of close aides knew what he really was, and it was best to keep appearances up.
He opened the door, He surveyed the room, His grey eyes looking over the Delegates, some familiar Faces, others strange....including a ....Walrus?
He spoke introducing himself too the Accords. He spoke with a tone that a man in his position relflected.
"Ladies and Gentleman, I am Edmund Dantes, The Executor of Tersanctus and her colonies."
He walked slowly towards Patrick, and shook the hands and flippers of the Delegates, and smiled sadly at Diana. He kissed her forehead and whispered something in her ear about Aug and Jo. He approached Patrick, and the two shook hands warmly. As they sat down together, Patrick and he began whispering in each others ears, Patrick brought him up too speed on the situation and he nodded accordingly.
Dyelli Beybi
25-02-2004, 11:14
"So...." The Dyelli Beybian General asked Dantes, smiling benignly, "What do you do?"
Tersanctus
25-02-2004, 11:26
Edmund looked up at the General.
"What do I do?" he asked.
"I run the nation of Tersanctus. I am her Executor. All decisions are passed through me, and I run the Armed Forces. Its pretty simple. The title throws a few people off, I would basically be a President, or King, in other terms, Essentially, I am the Head of State." he replied in a friendly tone.
"And your The Dyellian Representative, I take it?" Edmund looked suddenly at him. Deep within his eyes, a fire burned for a split-second. The physical fire within Edmunds Eyes most would probably not notice, and it burned away quickly as it came.
These were the people that sped up Kungshao's Return. The Fire of Man, The Nuclear Attack. But I will shed no more blood. We are here to bring these accords to an end. There will be peace. Kungshao/Edmund thought.
Dyelli Beybi
25-02-2004, 11:45
The General nodded, "Yes. I'm General Ahmed Nakkash. I run the ICBM silos...after my Tzarist predesessor, accidentally fell into the river wearing meat flavoured underwear."
Drakonian Imperium
25-02-2004, 15:55
Tired, annoyed, and pained, Diana had re-evaluated everything once the Alconan Representative had put forward his amendment. Idly, she wondered why it had been so important. Obviously, not enough to warrant a Menelmacari Representative. She sighed, suddenly unwilling to continue any argument.
Which was why, seeing a friendly face was enough to help her continue. She smiled (something that despite her best efforts showed some of her inner pain) at the friend that was a frequent visitor to the Drakonia. Reinforcements. She smiled inwardly at the thought, but even that did not help much.
Finally, she spoke up. "Nevermind the Elvish Amendment," she said, causing surprised looks from most everyone (including Derek). "Your correct." She nodded at the Walrus Ambassador. "It is an internal issue. We are merely seriously concerned with Dyelli Beybi's xenophobic tendencies."
She was amused (although, in her current state of mind, it wasn't more than a quick passing) to hear grumbling from the Drakonian General at her comments. At least that is something to be happy of, she thought to herself. She quickly took the thought back once she realized what she had thought.
She sighed. "I move for a recess, for dinner. I think we all need time to--" She glanced at the Emirate Representatives, then to the Klatchian Representatives. "--cool off."
She caught Edmund's eye and nodded slightly, indicating she would like to discuss matters when they recessed.
Ambassador Orith barely contained himself from flopping on the floor and laughing after General Nakkash’s remarks. Somehow, he managed to put on a straight face and looked at Patrick,
“We agree with the Alconian officer’s counter offer. That is:
To ensure peace between the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast, The Federation agrees that elves shall be treated no differently than humans in the Federation.
And thank you for that wonderful idea Mr. Stewart. I propose that the following amendment be added to counterbalance the above:
Any and all FKC citizens or those that claim relations or kinship with the FKC that may reside within the UE shall be accorded the same respect as if they resided within the FKC.
Orith grinned and then looked at the accords.
“So…this is how I see it…”
Nekoa Bay Accords
Definition of Terms:
The Terms Klatchian, Klatch, Federation, and FKC shall refer to the Federated Klatchian Coast as a whole. This includes, but not necessarily limited to, the states of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
The Term the JDF, shall refer to the Joint Defense Force and The Privy Council of the Federated Klatchian Coast which controls it.
The Terms the United Emirates and UE shall refer to the United Emirates. The United Emirates is an alliance which includes members that are not only found within the United Emirates region but also members that may be in different regions.
The Terms the Drakonian Imperium, the Imperium, and Drakonia shall refer to the Drakonian Imperium, which is the current Chair of the United Emirate Leadership Council.
Neutral Party, shall refer to a party, agreed to by both the United Emirates and The Federated Klatchian Coast, which has no interests whatsoever in either side.
The Terms Inspection Formula shall refer to the authority to carry out its inspection mandate as specified with the accords and shall be done by one representative nation from the UE, one state from the FKC, and one Neutral Party.
Article I
The Federated Klatchian Coast guarantees:
1) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Weapon Material, Warheads, Delivery Devices & Vehicles (those only usable for Nuclear Ordinance), of Fasta Benj (currently under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), in accordance with the Inspection Formula.
2) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Material, Warheads, and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Dyelli Beybi (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), in accordance with the Inspection Formula.
3) The disassembly of all Nuclear Weapons Launch Sites, Research, and Production Facilities, which cannot be converted to other uses, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), and Axe Wielding Maniacs, in accordance with the Inspection Formula.
4) The end of Nuclear Weapon Programs never again to be restarted, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
5) Humanitarian Aid and Reparations for those who suffered and are suffering because of the Nuclear Strikes, from Dyelli Beybi and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
6) 60% Disarmament of the Navy of the nation of Dyelli Beybi.
7) 10% Disarmament of all Military Services of the nation of Axe Wielding Maniacs.
Article II
The Imperium guarantees:
1) The updated status of Peace between the Drakonian Imperium, the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast
1a) Peace is to be defined as: an end to armed conflict and cessation of hostilities between the entirety of the UE and the FKC.
2) The current Missile Defense Technology used by Drakonia to defend against Nuclear Missile Strikes, including but not limited to: Anti-Missile Missile Batteries, Missile Guidance Jammers, and Missile Tracking Equipment, to the states of the Federated Klatchian Coast.
3) Never again will the nation of Drakonian Imperium restart a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapon Programs.
3a) In reference to Article II, section 3, such will be verified in accordance with the Inspection Formula.
4) The withdrawal of all Naval Forces from near Klatchian Waters.
Artile III
The United Emirates and Federated Klatchian Coast agree to:
1) A Non-Aggression Pact between the The Sovereign Federated Klatchian Coast and the United Emirates.
a) That the Non-Aggression Pact will protect each entity from Interference and Invasion by each other.
b) Either side (The UE and the FKC) will inform the other if and when they believe a violation of the treaty has occurred and agree to resolve the dispute quickly and to the satisfaction of both sides.
2) Ensure peace between the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast.
2a) The Federation agrees that elves shall be treated no differently than humans in the Federation.
2b) Any and all FKC citizens or those that claim relations or kinship with the FKC that may reside within the UE shall be accorded the same respect as if they resided within the FKC.
Orith said, “Basically, I reworded the Inspection formula to mean this; that if the accords specify that inspections are only limited to, for example, look for “nuclear weapons material” then that is all the inspectors are authorized to look for. As well, I hate to be a stick in the mud but I think we should define 'humanitarian aid' better. As mentioned earlier, over 5 trillion Kronors has already been granted plus the 5 billion from the UTP disaster fund. And some form of expiry date needs to be attached, else humanitarian aid could be claimed indefinately."
Orith grinned at the UE representatives.
OOC: Ah hell, Drak and I were typing at the same time...that is, I was busy making my long-winded post while Drak snuck in and posted. :)
IC:
Orith grinned even wider at Diana's outbust.
"Okay. Consider Article III, Section 2, 2a, and 2b dropped."
Alcona and Hubris
25-02-2004, 16:13
The Alconian officer looked at the ceiling for a moment and thought Well the slaves got restless without their mistress around. Oh well...
Drakonian Imperium
25-02-2004, 17:22
Diana watched what appeared to be an agreement from the Alcona Officer and took her chance. "Then we're in recess for dinner, we can resume and complete this afterwards." She stood and gathered her documents again, preparing to head for her room.
OOC: I be crafty like that, to sneak in quick posts like the last one and this one. Real reason for the recess is so everyone's diplomats can come back and not be immediately driven to yelling, screaming, and insulting each other. At least not, immediately.
Orith nodded his great head and eased his massive frame from the negotiating table. It had been a long day and Orith was getting hungry. He turned to his fellow Klatchians and said,
"Well, perhaps we ought to take a break and discuss things."
Alcona and Hubris
25-02-2004, 18:57
The Alconian officer nodded but had a strange suspision that things were going to go down hill quickly.
"Fine, but if you don't mind could we get some Alconian seafood? I just have problems with my dinner moving in my stomache after I've eaten it."
Tersanctus
26-02-2004, 08:14
Edmund went outside and spoke with Patrick, he would speak with Diana in a moment, but first...what the hell did Stewart want?
"Well Edmund, with your abilities...you can read the minds of others, and speak as well as understand other languages, yes?" Stewart asked.
Edmund nodded, yes he was the Incarnate for a God, but Kungshao refused to interfere, and even more change the course of Mortal events. Tersanctus was his sole concern.
"Well, what were they thinking? What was The Walrus barking and making all those guttural noises about?"
"Its called Vrakian, their language. And Im not going too tell you Patrick, I am forbidden to give that information....I will not give an unfair advantage to our side, Mortals can help themselves,...especially with something so simple and relatively minor....So, NO, Patrick. I will not listen to any more of their thoughts, and whatever the Walrus says, is meant to be between he and whomever he addresses."
With that he turned away and walked to Diana, Lighting a ciggarette as he walked.
Dyelli Beybi
26-02-2004, 10:47
"Regress." the Dyellian General growled as the others shuffled out of the room, "Well this is tiresome. I wonder how long it will last?"
"Probably a fair while Sir." one aide answered.
"Good." the General grinned, "Let's hit the boozer. There must be some place where we can get hammered in this place..."
Tersanctus
26-02-2004, 15:44
Edmund approached Diana, he playfully rolled his eyes and groaned.
"You look like shit, Diana." He said playfully. "But your doing good work in there, its tedious I know, but the end results are worth it. Keep trying!" He said encouragingly.
Dyelli Beybi
27-02-2004, 11:39
Meanwhile the Dyelli Beybian delegation was becoming more and more inebriated.
"Itsh not like we want a fight." General Nakkash explained to one of his aides, "But we canst keep getting insulted like thish. Dyelli Beybi is mighty...and Klatch is mightier than mighty. Anyway thye havn't said nufink about all the offa weapons we 'ave, and they're worse. If Mr Himmler wasn't so against it, we could haf blown theesh upstarts off the planet by now."
At the same bar, Orith was on his twentieth vodka and didn't seem the worse for wear. But many of the locals were astonished at the sight of a huge talking walrus actually in a bar drinking and some, after witnessing such a sight, swore off alcohol.
Drakonian Imperium
27-02-2004, 20:05
Diana sighed, before replying to Edmund. "I'm not so sure about that."
Then she changed the subject. "Shall we go to the Hotel's Restaruant and get Dinner?" She didn't wait for a reply and simply started walking. Edmund followed apparently in agreement.
She continued. "I'd like to hear about home, as I can't wait to get away from here and back there."
Alcona and Hubris
27-02-2004, 21:44
**Apthorpe Palace, Thunderbay, Ilse of Neubayern, The Grand Dual Duchy of Alcona and Hubris**
A man who is somewhat plumpish, but still tall and handsom though the years have grayed his hair to silver, stands in a well appointed room with wood paneling. Two women are sitting in oak chairs looking at the figure who seems to be staring out at the gardens...
"Daddy, I didn't mean to..." continues the younger one.
"Elizabeth Wittlebach Crawford, you are twenty eight years old. You should know better than to invite strange foriegn leaders over for a date...at least not with a Full IID check of their nation..." the man coldly states as he stares across the garden, watching something out in the hedge maze.
"All I wanted was a little male companionship..."
"What!!!" He turns with a wild look on his face...
"Not that, you know be just...equals with someone...not have some massive gradient of rank...and duty" she spits the last part out with an anoyed tone.
He calms and then closes his eyes. "I'm sorry, but life deals everyone a hand when they are first born. Some would say your lucky, others trapped." He breathes deeply, " I think I have neglected your study of dealing with people other than Oompa Loompa Puba's and their wiley ways...I stuck you in a slot that need to be filled, and you grew into it. But that slot also limited your exposure to foriegn lands. Therefore, you will allow your Lt. Governor to take more day to day duties and begin to explore the world of diplomacy...."
"Yes sir...."
"Good, now the present situation in Nekoa Bay appears to be mainly over but a few sticking points. I want you to observe and listen. I do not want you to cross the Vrakians, set up secret deals with the Imperium to help them against Arda or any other wonderful little idea I've had dropped on my desk by the Outer Ministry in the past month. You are to observe and report. Anything further and I'll ask that the Orith sit on you....literally."
In a formal tone, with an underhint of resentment, the young woman stands and says, "As you wish your Grace."
***The Bar***
The young Alconian Officer walks up to the Vrakian with a message. "Ah sir, I'm afraid that a recent incident has well....left me in charge of supervising the youngest daughter of Alexander III. She is supposed to observe the delibrations only, but she is a Crawford. When in the hell have they ever minded their own buisness?" He looks at the bar tender, "Ah give me a nice tall glass of whiskey."
((Oh, the young officer's name is Pete Pern. And I actually have an IC reason for this :) ))
Dyelli Beybi
28-02-2004, 12:16
In Dyelli Beybi, Parliament was in full storm...
"...And it has become clear to me that the Drakonian Imperium is taking us all for a merry little ride. They twist and turn and generally slither out of everything." A communist MP (OOC: for those of you who don't understand that it's 'Member of Parliament') stormed, "They have no respect for us, none at all, they're starting to demand we give rights...rights to Elves! What will it be next? Trees? The Government is degrading the honour of our Nation by not simply storming out."
The debating hall degenerated into chaos as MPs on either side of the house rose to hurl abuse at each other and wave bits of paper in the way MPs usually do.
"Order!" the Speaker called, thumping on the desk with a ceremonial mace, "Order!"
The hall obediently subsided, as the Chancellor rose to speak, "It has become clear that many people feel we are not making enough effort to end the unfortunate reprocussions of the war...this has been expressed both by Government MPs to me personally, as well as by the oposition in this chamber, and I am in full agreement. This unnecessary proceedure must be drawn to a close. General Nakkash will be notified tonight of what we expect him to achieve for the good of the Nation. We will not be trampled upon by foreigners. Ein Reich! Ein Volk!"
Cheers greeted the Chancellor as he returned to his seat.
Orith turned as the Alconian officer approached. He listened carefully and then inquired, “Ah, is Elizabeth here?”
Alcona and Hubris
28-02-2004, 18:33
"No she will be arriving in a few hours..."
OOC: based on what is occuring RL Vrak I guess I can take back over the negotiations for the moment...
Tersanctus
29-02-2004, 12:12
Kungshao while speaking with Diana, sensed....something.
His eyes suddenly came alive with fire that flowed like cream through coffee, cloudy and alive, he saw.
"Excuse me, Diana....I think I need a drink...." he said abruptly, walking away.
"Get us a table, I will meet you there in a few moments."
Overcoat flapping behind him with the brisk pace of his walk, he stormed into the bar where the FKC Delegates were releiving themselves from the stress of the days events.
He walked right next too the unmissable Walrus.
In eloquent and perfect Vrakian he told the Ambassador:
"Id like to buy you a drink, and speak for a moment...in private." He said confidently, Kungshaos voice ever so slightly combining with his. The raspiness only a slight undertone.
Alcona and Hubris
29-02-2004, 22:35
OOC: If this is important RL time wise then there might be a problem as Vrak is in a job/move. Hopefully he will be back soon but we are trusting a Korean ISP supplier here....
IC: The officer looks at the man with a bit of a startled look. "Sir, I'm afraid it appears that the Ambassador is a bit out of it. The Wal-vak seem to have an odd behavior when it comes to alchol. I would give him a short time to recover. Perhaps I be of some assistance?"
Tersanctus
01-03-2004, 01:34
Edmund looked at The officer and Nodded.
"Come with me. Well talk over here."
Alcona and Hubris
01-03-2004, 03:51
"I hope that I can be of assistance..."
Dyelli Beybi
01-03-2004, 10:53
Meanwhile General Nakkash had been handed an envelope. He opened it and scratched his head, "Well this hardly makes sense." he grumbled, then cast his eye around for someone who might be connected with the negotiations,
"Hey!" he demanded, failing to spot the person he wanted, "When are we going back in, does anyone know?"
Tersanctus
02-03-2004, 17:44
Edmund sat down with the Alconan Officer, and lit a ciggarette. He looked at him in the eyes intensely.
"Our regions and nations fates, are all tied to the accords tonight." he began.
"Peace must be made. Its true that millions died in Drakonia's land, but millions more will die, on both side, if peace cannot be achieved. I will encourage my counterparts to sign the treaty as is. You must do the same." he continued.
"Beleive me, I do not wish war, cold or otherwise. We must sign the accords tonight." he said looking at him in the eyes.
Alcona and Hubris
02-03-2004, 19:00
Edmund sat down with the Alconan Officer, and lit a ciggarette. He looked at him in the eyes intensely.
"Our regions and nations fates, are all tied to the accords tonight." he began.
"Peace must be made. Its true that millions died in Drakonia's land, but millions more will die, on both side, if peace cannot be achieved. I will encourage my counterparts to sign the treaty as is. You must do the same." he continued.
"Beleive me, I do not wish war, cold or otherwise. We must sign the accords tonight." he said looking at him in the eyes.
"I agree...Although what the urgency at this present moment is...I'm not sure. Peace is always preferable to war. Now perhaps you can enlighten me as to what your side desires to remove the two sticking points..."
Tersanctus
02-03-2004, 19:04
Edmund cocked his head Questioningly.
"What two sticking points?" he asked.
Alcona and Hubris
02-03-2004, 19:14
"Ah as I recall the Vrakians want the United Emeriates(sp) to clearly indicate that you agree to be bound to the non-agression part of the pact. And the inspection, even if a fruitless exercise, of the Imperium for nuclear weapons. That last one sounds a bit insane to most people especially the Imperium, but the Wal-vak are very....big on image they want to have the inspections of all parties so that it appears both sides came in to this agreement on an equal footing. And without the agreement of the King of Vrak, who holds the Presidency..."
He shakes his head and takes a sip of Burbon.
Tersanctus
02-03-2004, 20:58
Edmund shook his head.
"But there is still the need, I know that Lady Siri wont sign unless that Elven Amendment is put back on, I cant say that officially, but I am very sure. As for Vrak's King, what woudl it take, other than Image, to get him too agree?"
Alcona and Hubris
03-03-2004, 05:24
"If the 'Elven Agreement' you mean the statements that give elves equal treatment to humans? If so, no problem. The Vrakians agreed to that statment that I proposed, it was the our impression that the Imperium dropped the issue. I'll just tell the Vrakians that the Drakonian represenative misunderstood us being so worn out. If the UE agrees to the non-agression portion of the pact for that demand then the non-agression issue has been resolved between us."
He smiles for a moment, "I must say that our small, informal discussion here is being quite fruitful....Now for the King of Vrak, the Imperium needs to demonstrate by some mechanism that they do not have nuclear arms. They have said so repeatedly and called the Vrakian position of 'we will assume you do anyway' to be 'insane'. Drakonia has impugned on the honor of Vrak, and it's King. We need something which demonstrates that the Imperium recognizes that Vrak's statements are not, self-serving but are self-protecting. Something that is going to make Vrak not feel it has to have a permanent setting on it's warheads for Drakonia."
Tersanctus
03-03-2004, 08:00
Edmund nodded. "I will speak with Diana." this has been a horrendously traumatic and exausting experience for her. While she is very professional about her job, keep in mind, a brother of hers died in the Attack, and she is sitting right across the table from the nation who caused it..How would you feel?" he said sympathetically.
"Which also raises another issue....but before I can ask it, I must ask your honest opinion on the status of Dyelli Beybi. They are in a chaotic state right now, as far as we can tell. There are and may still be groups vying for power....even if this treaty is signed, while I do not dought yours or the words of the vast majority of the FKC...I do not trust the Dyellians"
"..While it may be within your power to suppress any insurrection from them...it only takes a few minutes too launch another nuke, or worse, at the UE..in which case, you know as well as I do, that that would be deemed as an act of agression by the FKC, even though it would not be in reality."
"I wish too prevent this from occuring, Alconan, believe me when I tell you, I forsee bad things, things that can be easliy avoided should the will of good men prevail. I do not wish to interfere in any FKC internal matters...I respect your right too privacy, but when it does affect others, it is no longer an 'internal matter' its becomes all of our responsibilities."
Alcona and Hubris
03-03-2004, 15:25
He sips more of the burbon and then tries to explain...
"First, it appears as though the national socialists have taken control. Their may be a few pockets of resistance outside of the Dyellbi valley but they won't last long.
The Federation was conceived by princes, and is such that it almost was designed to allow them to rule without interference. However, they did realize that having one prince go too far in the name of the others might be dangerous to them all.
So we have the attainment system. A government who's actions threaten the Klatch as a whole may suffer part or all of it's military being removed from their control. In the Klatch that is paramount to being left in the middle of a filled auditorium, naked having to give a speech. Really horrific activity and failure to comply would force us to kick that state out of our nation, and then of course to be invaded by the Joint Defense Force.
The non-agression pact we are discussing is an insurance policy for you. No state of the Federation would be able to attack you without dire consequences. Parliment would likely attaint them in a second if they had only some flimsy excuse to justifiy their actions.
But what guarantees do we have that a member of the UE isn't going to attack us or our lands because of this treaty? I mean you did have Al-Anabar as a member, which started this whole misadventure and several of your nations have taken a....deified stance towards us."
Tersanctus
04-03-2004, 08:54
Edmund nodded, and took a deep drag of his ciggarette.
"Than the FKC and the UE are no different in the decision, you stated that should a single nation threaten or violate your constitution, they would be expelled and likely invaded by the Joint Defense Force? This was no different with Al Anbar. The Charter states that if a nation is found in violation of our rules, in this case violation of Human Rights, than they would be expelled, and likely invaded, or military action as we put it."
Edmund put out his ciggarette, and lit another one.
"The FKC and UE are no different in this respect. The UE refused too stand idly by while hundreds of thousands of innocent Al Anbarians were being tortured and killed for little too no reason. Even though the consequences were dire too us. We continued on."
"I really dont understand why its so hard for us too see eye to eye. We are'nt so different. And we wouldnt attack you, for the same reason you would not attack us, there would be no purpose, we stand for what we feel is right, the FKC may not be as Idealistic, but we are...and we have no desire to conquer or attack, or cause any undue hardship too the Citizens in the FKC...."
Alcona and Hubris
04-03-2004, 18:11
The Alconian just thought Well we of the Dual Duchy are reasonable
"Hmm, well the problem here is that we need to sooth ruffled feathers on both sides. Yes, several member states of the Federation launched nukes, although they had mistaken a perfectly harmless IBCM launch.."
The fact that the Alconian was attempting not to swallow his tounge on that statment was a feat of diplomat speak. "...which is what we can not let happen again. If the Imperium continues to use long range ballistic missles with conventional warheads, the same problem might errupt." He shakes his head, thinking of the thousands of idiotic nuclear powers in the country.
"Do you think that somehow you can convince the Imperium that by allowing these inspections they actually protect themselves from future horrific mistakes such as these? Why would we lie? We have nothing to gain from the inspections acept peace of mind..."
Tersanctus
05-03-2004, 09:03
Edmund looked at the Alconan, he didnt believe that he believed his statement.
"Diplomacy aside,....Perhaps you didnt beleive that it was a "harmless ICBM launch"...The Imperium's stance on Nuclear weapons has always been clear: they dont believe in them, or use them."
" And yes, yes I know, why would he be so closed to the Idea of the inspections? Its relative. Vrak saying "we will assume you do anyway" is also impugning on Drakonia's Honor...The Vraks are very...forward, which is why I trust them."
"But its also why Drakonia is dragging their heels in. They dont want too give too much, keep in mind, Drakonias position is: You might have mistaken the ICBM launch, which wasnt even headed for FKC Territory, for Nukes."
"But Drakonia was nuked. The main point the FKC seems to bring up from several of the member nations is that why would we launch an ICBM, without others assuming it was an WMD? But this is backtracking onthe FKC's part..it assumes no responsibility, which is why the UE has become irritable in these proceedings, we accept the responsibility for launching the ICBM's. Even Tersanctus, though we are not Drakonia, we stand by them, as well as their decisions."
"We take our part of the blame, the FKC has shown little willingness too take theirs. The fact that Dyelli Beybi murdered, and I use the word in every sense, millions of Drakonians, and the fact that we are here at the negotiating table, and not war, should be a sign in and of itself. Despite our losses, the FKC seems insensitive to this tradgedy. we are reacting upon what the general attitude seems to be from your side."
Alcona and Hubris
05-03-2004, 17:33
The officer just raised his eyebrow..."Well, first let us be clear that I and my government have gotten a completely diffrent read on this. Most of what the Imperiums statments seem to have come across to us has been more pointing the finger in our direction. As though the self declared statment of "We don't have nukes" should have been taken at face value. It seems that the Imperium is unwilling to recognize that an IBCM launch was a possibly dangerous activity, at no time have we interpeted their statements to say "We except the fact that we made a threating manuver.." and Vrakian obstinance has been more a feeling that without that statement they feel like dealing with fools..."
He realizes that he should likely explain something,
"Perhaps we in the Klatch are more paranoid, maybe it's the fact that most of our fauna is so dangerous and sneaky that we spent most of our time trying not to be on the menu. Or perhaps it is that we have delt with states that are as trustworthy as a bankrupt used car salesmen. The fact is that none of us see the tactical advantages of a ballistic missle system with conventional warheads. They are highly inaccurate such that you need a 'large' target area that is advantagous, such as with WMD's. Unless you have a desire to recreate the V-1 Blitz of WWII for some terror purpose. Hell I wouldn't be surprised to find the Vrakians think the Imperiuum launched a non-nuclear IBCM to be nuked."
He sees that this sounds completely insane..."There are leaders in this world who would think nothing of having a small portion of their citizenry killed for some diabolical purpose. And we have all caught a bit of their awful paint on ourselves. The Imperium must realize that trust is not given automatically just because they want it, it must be earned."
He gets back to the last point, but this is the real sore spot for the Federation...
"Now, we have allowed all of the states that nuked you to surrender their nukes...end their nuclear weapons programs, and be inspected. We have attempted to pay repreations. We have weakened these states, and the Federation as a whole. What bloody more do you people want? The entire Federation to become non-nuclear, to be a target of every nuke happy, tin-pot nation in the world!"
He shakes his head the anger building, "What do you people want for us to do to demonstrate that we accept the Tzar over reacted?!! For us to become puppet states of the Menemeclamar Empire, build temples to Sithirl, what damn it...what?!"
He was now very much on the edge of exploding...
Tersanctus
06-03-2004, 08:29
"COOL IT!" Edmund snapped. He wasnt trying too make the man explode, he was trying too bring peace. This obviously needed too take a new direction.
"Now listen too me, and listen too me good." He said lowering his voice.
"I dont like Menelmacar, any more than you. There, I said it. I have tried hard to prevent Lady Siri from dominating the UE completely. Hell, its hard. All she gives a damn about is her friggin Elves! Now, listen too me on this.." Edmund looked around carefully, making sure noone could hear them. He opened his mouth too speak, and instead opted too write on a piece of paper in Vrakian (I dont know if its a written language, but bear with me.)
Lady Siri is prepared for a war, if these accords dont reach an end by tonight, the FKC and the UE face the same fate. There MUST be peace, or we both lose, in the name of some elves.
Edmund put the paper in front of the Alconan, and let him read it then promptly burnt the paper.
"You see now? I want peace, I dont want to weaken or alter the the FKC more than we have....We both must put aside our differences and Personal Feelings to ensure the preservation of our respective societies."
OOC: Yes, Vrakian is a written as well as a spoken language. There are also two forms of it, one that everyone uses and one form (using a special set of words) that is used when addressing royalty. I based this on the Thai language. It is also an honorific language, like Korean.
A special set of words, collectively called kham raatchaasap (royal vocabulary), is set aside for use with Thai royalty within the semantic fields of kinship, body parts, physical and mental actions, clothing, and housing...For the most part these terms are used only when speaking to or referring to the king, queen and their children, hence as a foreigner you will have little need to learn them.
Alcona and Hubris
06-03-2004, 20:55
There was a good deal of surprise on his face "You know, it is very rare to meet anyone who can write in that language, let alone outside of the Federation...very well done. I appologize, it is fustrating to be painted a murder when all you do is live in the same country as an idiot who well does foolish things." He waves a bartender over an asks for a soda...then haggles a bit trying to find some recognized non-alcholic beverage...
The man appears calmer and more at ease a moment later "Well let me say my government is not surprised. We had suspected somthing similar, although not with the sudden urgency." He sips his new drink
"Now then, what do we need to do to walk up to the table in thirty minutes and walk away happy in the knowlege that we can get both of our respective governing bodies to get this thing passed?"
"I know we can't do anything more at the national level about the elves, but the elves all live in the state of Jiggady. And well, Jiggady responds well to large amounts of gold. Say paying them for a ten mile wide swath to be governed by the Privy Council and a elf barrier system constructed so that they don't wander over the border would be very likely possiblity. What we can't do is promise rights of elves beyound that of their Human, Vrakian, Varian, Durkaian, or other sentient counter parts."
"As for the inspection problem what do you think your ally would need to enable us to do this verification of no nuclear weapons? Remember, we don't care if Drakonia has the worst biologics or chemical weapons known to man or elf. Just that they don't have nuclear weapons or weapons programs so we don't go ballistic every time they launch a ballistic. And how do we demonstrate that we understand that this was a horrible accident of war?"
Tersanctus
06-03-2004, 22:35
Edmund lit up again, and nodded. He was risking revealing who he was by writing the Vrakian, bu he had too make sure that noone knew what he just told the Klatchian.
"Very well, thank you. I think the main thing that Drakonia misunderstands, is that the inspections are too occur solely once. For both sides...I think thats why Diana is refusing too allow them, becuase she feels they may be spied on. Though, its legitimate that Dyelli, Fasta, and AWM, would share the same concerns."
"However if we bring that aspect too light, I think that both sides might relax a little and allow them. Secondly, assuring the same rights for Elves is completely reasonable and fair. Which is exactly why Siri wont sign it. I think she wants a solemn oath that the FKC will not ever hurt or kill any elf, anywhere. But you know what? The hell with her,...if she wanted the damn elf amendment so bad, she could have sent a delegate to argue for it, and Im sick and tired of trying to do it for her. So I say we add the Elven Agreement as before, as well as the FKC citizen treatment one, and get these accords signed and sealed."
Edmund looked at the Alconan with a newfound respect.
These Klatchians arent so bad once you get used to them. Edmund thought too himself.
Alcona and Hubris
07-03-2004, 17:31
"Ah, the citizen treatment one? I'm a bit confused by what your refering to..." He really just wanted to make things absolutely clear of what could and could not be done at a national level. Demanding that elves be considered humans with pointy ears was one thing, dictating the rights that those citizens would be granted was something else entirely.
Tersanctus
08-03-2004, 08:09
"The amendment thats states all FKC citizens within UE borders must be treated with the same respect as they would in the FKC. It only fair." said Edmund clarifying himself.
Alcona and Hubris
08-03-2004, 14:49
"Ah, yes...quite understandable.." He sits thoughtfully for a moment.
"Now then, we need to convince our respective parties..."
"What do you have to convince?" The voice cut through the air as a young woman approached in a blue buisness suit. Her blond hair framed a face that some would have said elvish if they had never meet an elf. The eyes were bright with mischeif...
"Ah Markgravine," began the Alconian as he stood bowing to the woman..."This is Edmund...ah, I'm sorry I seem to have forgotten your name. May I present Markgravine Both, ah second in line to the throne."
She smiled and slightly shook her head. "I'm hoping that you two gentlemen have been solving the problems of the world over drinks and a smoke. How very nice, I hope I haven't distrubed you two much. After all, seldom are things worked out at the actual table..."
"I'm going to go see the Vrakian Delegation, gentlemen..." She walked away again. Leaving the men to finish the discussion.
OOC: really I think we need to get the parties to the table now.
Orith didn’t notice the Markgravine enter his area of the bar, but the bodyguard did.
-Ah sir? The Markgravine of Both is here.
-Huh? Elizabeth? Okay.
Orith tidied up the best he could before she spotted him. He was feeling tipsy, but then a crateload of vodka would do that to anyone.
Alcona and Hubris
08-03-2004, 16:13
A drunk Vrakian is a dangerous Vrakian
was the phrase that went through Elizabeth's head as she walked up to the Ambassador. "So good to see you Ambassador, I hope the oppostion hasn't made life too unbearable for you?"
Tersanctus
09-03-2004, 08:22
Edmund nodded too Elizabeth. "Dantes is the name. A true pleasure too meet you Elizabeth." Edmund said with a smile and cordial tone.
"I certainly hope we have worked things out. I must speak with my delegations as well. Get all this personal drama out of the way."
Edmund left to reconviene with Diana, and have dinner with her as he promised.
A drunk Vrakian is a dangerous Vrakian
was the phrase that went through Elizabeth's head as she walked up to the Ambassador. "So good to see you Ambassador, I hope the oppostion hasn't made life too unbearable for you?"
Orith lolled and looked at Elizabeth. His words were slurred but he appeared cheerful.
"Ahh...I'm okay! Arsh we going back to the negotiashun table?"
Alcona and Hubris
10-03-2004, 13:32
"Hmm, not yet..." It appears that the oppostion needs to spend some more time eating. She was attempting to figure out how to send the Vrakian to bed. It was obvious that even having a midly inebriated Wal-vak at the table would not be a good idea.
Orith pondered what Elizabeth said and then replied, “Well, then. I’ll just go to sleep right here. Wake me up when the negotiations begin.”
With that, he flopped onto his belly and fell fast asleep in the hotel bar.
Alcona and Hubris
10-03-2004, 17:25
No one argues where a walrus decides to sleep...
OOC: Okay. Orith feel asleep in the bar. Are the other delegates going to get back to the table or must we wait another RL month to finish this thread?
Tersanctus
12-03-2004, 11:04
OOC: Consider Edmund at the table. Ill spearhead the Negotitations for the UE now.
IC: Edmund fidgeted restlessly at the table...Where the hell is everyone? He wondered.
Alcona and Hubris
12-03-2004, 15:55
Elizabeth Crawford, Makgravine of Both walked into the confrence room and sat down. At her heals was the officer who had been in with Dante in the bar. "Sorry for the delay I was being given a complete update."
Dyelli Beybi
14-03-2004, 10:57
(OOC) You can assume "Crazy Ahmed" is at the table, very very heavily hung over and hence not very happy.
Drakonian Imperium
15-03-2004, 14:54
Diana and the rest if the Drakonian Delegation entered and filed into their seats. She nodded and spoke. "It appears now, we have enough people to resume." She nodded to the opposing side and made no excuse for her tardiness. "As I see it there are several issues which need to be resolved at the moment.
"First, is inspection of Drakonia. The Imperium is willing to make the following concession on that issue: Inspection of Drakonian will be carried out by one initial inspection to ensure that the Imperium is free from Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Weapons. Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Imperium. Inspections are to be carried out via Emirate, Klatchian, and Neutral Parties."
Not stopping at all Diana continued. "After conferring with Officials in Menelmacar, the Imperium has deemed it imperative that the Elven issue be solved, which actually, I believe we did before I dropped the issue originally.
"I will open the floor to comment." She sat down.
Back at the bar, not a creature was stirring. Not even a walrus.
Alcona and Hubris
15-03-2004, 16:47
The Markgravine decided to let him sleep it off...
Elizabeth looked at her notes and said, "I think that is quite satisfactory if we change the wording of the inspections of the Dyelbian Empire to be..."
She pushes over a note pad with the following scribbled out in long hand:
Inspection of Fasta Benji, Dyelli Byebi, and Axe Weilding Maniacs will be carried out by three inspections, the first to identify all nuclear weapons to be disposed of, the second to verify the disposal process, and the third to ensure that Fasta Benji, Dyelli Byebi and Axe WEilding Maniacs are free from Nuclear Weapons. Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Federation through the Privy Council. Inspections are to be carried out via Emirate, Klatchian, and Neutral Parties.
"And we are fully willing to reattach the elf clause previously discussed."
Dyelli Beybi
16-03-2004, 03:51
The General stirred from where he had been lying face down in his own drool, "Who are you?" he demanded of the Drakonian delegation.
Alcona and Hubris
16-03-2004, 15:29
The Markgravine, having been trained in the special forces decides that the current state of the General precludes him from either acting rationally or being coherent.
She smiles breifly and places her hands behind her back. She leans over and appears to wisper into the Generals ear...
"They are the tooth fairys and the Lolipop guild, conflict candies are undermining their buisnesses..."
He hand falls on his neck and a small prick of something could be felt, a few seconds later a dreamy state should overtake the general as he has just been drugged.
She returns to her seat playing with a large silver ring.
Dyelli Beybi
17-03-2004, 10:36
The General slumped forward, aparently fast asleep again, however, the movement of the Alconian had not gone unnoticed by one of the General's aides...
A slightly built, dark haired young man stepped forward, he was wearing the usual field grey uniform, but the blue piping on his hat marked him as a 'Political Officer' of the Cheka, "General." he hissed in the General's ear, "Get your head up and look sharp."
There was no response, "General." he tried again.
This time he slapped the man fully across the face. It was hard, leaving a red palm print on the General's face. Something about the way he did it suggested it was perfectly allowable. The General gurgled something unintelligeable and would have fallen out of his chair had the aide not caught him. Immediately a second aide arrived, this one was a woman, her black hair was pulled back in tight bun, lending her otherwise attractive features a severe look.
"This isn't good." the male aide muttered to her, although he was audible to most of the chamber, "He was a little unintelligeable this morning, but not this bad...not anywhere near this bad..."
"Call a doctor." he ordered loudly, there was a familiar glint of malevolence in his eyes that most people encountering Dyelli Beybian officials were used to.
The female aide saluted, "Yes Commisaar."
Out of the corner of his eye he watched the Alconian, like all Commisaars he had had some limited medical training and this didn't look right, shifty character, he thought to himself, still watching the Alconian.
Alcona and Hubris
17-03-2004, 15:28
OOC: Yes, we are shifty...
IC: The Markgravine looked on with a bit of an anoyed look.
"It appears the local spirts have caught up with the General. I suggest you take him to his suite and have a doctor look at him. I assume you.."she pointed at the political officer who had just slapped the General. "...are fully capable of representing your nation's intrests at this table?"
She clicked her fingers and one of the Alconian Marines who had appeared with her stood. He gave a deep bow and then whispered..."I'll help take him to his room..."
The Markgravine turned and stated dryly to the opposing side "I'm sorry for the threatrics but about the final point we were discussing..."
Nekoa Bay Accords
Definition of Terms:
The Terms Klatchian, Klatch, Federation, and FKC shall refer to the Federated Klatchian Coast as a whole. This includes, but not necessarily limited to, the states of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
The Term the JDF, shall refer to the Joint Defense Force and The Privy Council of the Federated Klatchian Coast which controls it.
The Terms the United Emirates and UE shall refer to the United Emirates. The United Emirates is an alliance which includes members that are not only found within the United Emirates region but also members that may be in different regions.
The Terms the Drakonian Imperium, the Imperium, and Drakonia shall refer to the Drakonian Imperium, which is the current Chair of the United Emirate Leadership Council.
Neutral Party, shall refer to a party, agreed to by both the United Emirates and The Federated Klatchian Coast, which has no interests whatsoever in either side.
The Terms Inspection Formula shall refer to the authority to carry out its inspection mandate as specified with the accords and shall be done by one representative nation from the UE, one state from the FKC, and one Neutral Party.
Article I
The Federated Klatchian Coast guarantees:
1) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Weapon Material, Warheads, Delivery Devices & Vehicles (those only usable for Nuclear Ordinance), of Fasta Benj (currently under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), in accordance with the Inspection Formula.
2) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Material, Warheads, and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Dyelli Beybi (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), in accordance with the Inspection Formula.
3) The disassembly of all Nuclear Weapons Launch Sites, Research, and Production Facilities, which cannot be converted to other uses, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), and Axe Wielding Maniacs, in accordance with the Inspection Formula.
4) In Reference to Article I, sections 1,2, and 3: Inspection of Fasta Benji, Dyelli Byebi, and Axe Weilding Maniacs will be carried out by three inspections:
i) The first to identify all items covered under Article I sections 1,2 and 3.
ii) The second to verify the disposal process, for items identified in Article I, section 4, item 1.
iii) The third to ensure that Fasta Benji, Dyelli Byebi and Axe Weilding Maniacs have fully disposed of all items as listed under Article I, section 4, item 1.
iv) Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Federation through the Privy Council.
v) All Inspections are to be carried out via the Inspection Formula.
5) The end of Nuclear Weapon Programs never again to be restarted, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
6) Humanitarian Aid and Reparations for those who suffered and are suffering because of the Nuclear Strikes, from Dyelli Beybi and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
i) Reperations have been agreed between the states of Dyelli Beybi and Axe Wielding Manicas. Any disagreements about payments shall be arbitrated.
ii) Humanitarian Aid shall only cover the decontamination, feeding, and healthcare of those affected by the Nuclear Strikes. A cap of three trillion krondors and five years shall be set for all humantarian aid from the UTP and the Federation. The Imperium shall submit a census of all individuals living in the fall out area, and any treatment, food supplies, or decontamination each person receives. An update on these individuals shall be provided each year with the services rendered for payment.
7) 60% Disarmament of the Navy of the nation of Dyelli Beybi.
8) 10% Disarmament of all Military Services of the nation of Axe Wielding Maniacs.
Article II
The United Emirates and the Imperium guarantees:
1) The updated status of Peace between the Drakonian Imperium, the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast
1a) Peace is to be defined as: an end to armed conflict and cessation of hostilities between the entirety of the UE and the FKC.
2) The current Missile Defense Technology used by Drakonia to defend against Nuclear Missile Strikes, including but not limited to: Anti-Missile Missile Batteries, Missile Guidance Jammers, and Missile Tracking Equipment, to the states of the Federated Klatchian Coast.
3) Never again will the nation of Drakonian Imperium restart a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapon Programs.
3a) In reference to Article II, section 3, Inspection of Drakonian will be carried out by one initial inspection to ensure that the Imperium is free from Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Weapons. Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Imperium. Inspections are to be carried out via Emirate, Klatchian, and Neutral Parties.
4) The withdrawal of all Naval Forces from near Klatchian Waters.
Artile III
The United Emirates and Federated Klatchian Coast agree to:
1) A Non-Aggression Pact between the The Sovereign Federated Klatchian Coast and the United Emirates.
i) That the Non-Aggression Pact will protect each entity from Interference and Invasion by each other.
ii) Either side (The UE and the FKC) will inform the other if and when they believe a violation of the treaty has occurred and agree to resolve the dispute quickly and to the satisfaction of both sides.
2) Ensure peace between the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast.
i) The Federation agrees that elves shall be treated no differently than humans in the Federation.
ii) Any and all FKC citizens or those that claim relations or kinship with the FKC that may reside within the UE shall be accorded the same respect as if they resided within the FKC
"I think this will cover all the points that we have both desired, I'm not sure about the caps but those are somewhat still negotiable."
While Orith slumbered in the bar, one of his aides, a Major Urt came into the negotiating room. He quickly whispered into the Markgravine's ear...
Translated from Vrakian.
-Ah, I apologize for my master's absence. I'm here strictly as an observer so I have no direct power. However, I can always relay the negotiations from this point in time to him. He should recover shortly from his...ah...episode.
The Major then bowed to the rest of the delegates. After the Markgravine finished talking to the Dyelli Beybi representative, the Major then whispered the same message into the Dyellian's ear. He then looked around for any other FKC members, ready to deliver the same message.
Dyelli Beybi
18-03-2004, 11:01
(OOC) This speech is long so I've put a few OOC titles in it to help find your way around it.
"It's just a pity." the political officer replied to the Vrakian, in a loud enough voice that everyone in the chamber could hear, "That our own representative has had a sudden relapse."
"Make sure there's a blood test." he called out as the General was carted off, his eyes taking on a malevolent glint again.
The Cheka agent sat down in his representatives seat, taking a moment to get comfortable, "Where were we? Yes. As it happens I am fully qualified to take over from my sadly debilitated superior. Allow myself to introduce myself, I am Political Officer 1st Class Vlademir Dzerzhinsky, I was until now, informing the General as to the needs of the people of Dyelli Beybi in this unfortunate series of events."
"Now." he steepled his fingers in front of himself, "I am going to make this clear to all of you. Dyelli Beybi is not surrendering. We have never surrendered to a foriegn power and never will."
Nuclear Weapons
"The agreement between Herr Himmler and the Drakonian emissary was for a 60% reduction in nuclear weapons, unless Fasta Benj also agreed to disarm. I am yet to hear an agreement from Fasta Benj. Nevertheless, we are reasonable people. We intend to remove all nuclear warheads from long range ballistic missiles, as well as shorter ranged devices and bombs."
"What we do have an objection to is the disarmament of the nuclear depth charge systems employed on a number of our vessels. Such systems bear no relevance to the discussion whatsoever. It is impossible for us to employ them against the citizens of the Drakonian Imperium, unless they suddenly decide to build their cities under water, however they lend us an enormous advantage in Naval combat against such adversaries as Dozle, or any Nation that choses it's primary method of naval combat to be the submarine."
Evles
"As for elves. We have a very small orc population in the North of the country, and do not want any speciestic violence of the sort that is sure to errupt when the two unmenschliche Geschöpfe weniger gültig als Menschen encounter one another. We have no interest in Elven affairs, however, under international pressure we are willing to allow Elves the same rights as any other non-passport carrying illegal immigrants crossing the Eastern border. The same method of treatment reserved for other flora will be carried out if they fail to produce a valid passport."
The Commisaar picked up a glass of water, he tasted it. He seemed to be considering whether anything untoward had been put in it, but eventually decided it had not, and took a long swig, before putting it down again "Had I been the one negotiating, my instict would have been to tell the Elves to burn in hell." suddenly and without any provocation he slammed his fist down on the table, "They do not even respect us enough to send a delegate. I do not see why we should pander and bow to their warmongering. The delegates of Klatch have brought shame on the Motherland by even considering this blackmail."
Inspections
Dzerzhinsky's thin lips twisted in distate, "We are also alarmed to see that Dyelli Beybi and other Southern Klatchian nations have been forced to submit to three pakrah inspections, whereas the Imperium is only forced to submit to one token Klatchian inspection."
"We ask of you, why?" he glared about the room, "We are not surrendering. This is a peace treaty, or at least I am under the impression it is, however it seems Klatch, in particular the Revolutionary State of Dyelli Beybi, is surrendering much, whereas the pakrahs are conceding very little. In it's current State, this so called Treaty will bring shame and humiliation upon the people's of Southern Klatch."
(OOC) He's a Commisaar, not a diplomat...
Major Urt listened carefully to the Cheka agent and thought, Hmmm. Didn't think of the depth charges. Perhaps someone should briefly mention our current difficulties and make some kind of compromise here. Without showing any weakness.
Alcona and Hubris
18-03-2004, 15:59
The markgravine looked down at the man with exstreamly cold eyes.
"First, may I remind you that you are in the presence of a diplomatic confrence...not one of Herr Himmler's political rallies.
"Second, Fasta Benji has completely disarmed all nuclear devices under this treaty as you can read plainly yourself. Your anti-Tarist sypathies aside, the Benji are still under total military attainment. And have agreed with the Privy Council that disarming all nuclear weapons"
"Third, I am not having some upstart start demanding the ability to use nuclear depth charges after his superiors have obviously thought better to surrender them...as I am here on behest of the Privy Council and all of your nuclear weapons were to be turned over to them...and these nuclear depth charges never were. You are in violation of the Klatchian Consitution."
"Fourth, the three to one ratio has more to do with the process of disarming the Southern Klatch than..."
She turns to the rest of the delegation, "I'm sorry I think I need to bring these two up to speed on a few things..."
She pulls the Commisar up from the table, her arms are fairly strong from having to defend herself in duals using a claymore (the sword). She pulls the Dyelbian officer into an anti-room and closes the door.
In the coffee room
"Listen, we are about to get a full report on all WMD programs in Drakonia and you start complaining about having a bunch of scientists showing up just to verify the disarmant process of your nukes!" She shakes her head...
"What kind of tactitan are you anyway? We have to lay two of your cards down on the table but we get to see all of their cards."
She realizes this is a bit cryptic. "IIS has decided that the Imperium doesn't have a nuke program, but it must have a bio or chem weapons program, otherwise the presence of ICBMs in their arsenal makes about as much sense as putting a 2 pounder muzzle loader on the deck of a submarine."
Her blue eyes seem to dance with a sort of eagerness, almost hiptonic in a sense...
"Think about it, they offered us to nose around without restiction while only your nuclear programs are on the table. If being able to show that the Imperium isn't as god high holy as it makes itself out to be, that would be just another nail in the coffin of the United Emirates and the decay of the greater elven empire. We could demand allowing nuclear arms back in the south Klatch when we find their little WMD programs. If you had kept your mouth shut about those damn nuclear depth charges they would likely have never been found until after we found their killer bugs."
She just throws her hands up in disbeleif.
"Now then, you over reaching political hack...listen to me very carefully. What in the bloody hell have we lost in this negotation? The presense of nuclear arms in the south Klatch...while the other 17 members still have theirs? And have a fairly good anti-nuke screen tossed in our laps! Your superiors saw the the benfits so shut up about that little item...Now what else...Oh, you have to start burning humans that illegally cross the border. Woopty Do, only an insane maniac would try to cross through those forests in the first place! And those elves are so twistedly insane that if they did attempt to intgrate into the rest of society we would have to throw them into asylums...."
She is storming around the small room her hands clenched as though she is trying not to strangle the political officer
"Three inspections to their one...let me make this clear. The equivlant in poker is having to put two of your cards on the table while getting to see the entire hand of your opponent Not a bad f***ing deal. I am sure Herr Himmler will see the tactical value in demonstrating to the world the hipocracy and lies of the Imperium and Sithirl by finding their little anti-human chemical weapons or bio weapons factories that they must be hiding. They think they can just sort of 'hide them behind a screen of innocence'; they think we are technically infebaled to find said weapons. What do think is going to happen when the Klatchian Inspectors are the Var! Now are you fully cognisant of who has the better hand in this matter! So stop throwing wrenches unless you want me to throw a few back at you."
Her eyes are glowing
Drakonian Imperium
18-03-2004, 17:26
Through the entire Dyelli Beybian's rant, General Long was snorting and snickering. The noise came to the point that Diana Minerva had to place her arm to quite him, at which he started to comment. "Klatchi..." And was quieted as Diana increased the pressure in her grip. The rest of his comment was more mummbled and had something to do with "inhuman creatures less valid than humans."
Diana did not comment on the arguments suddenly resumed by Dyelli Beybi. She simply watched the Markgravine bodily drag the man away. A small smile crept onto her face.
The General kept mummbling despite Diana's clepted hand on him, as the Dyelli Beybi was being pulled out of the room. "For a united nation, you guys are sure un-united."
When they were gone, and it appeared the General had decided to shut up, she removed her hand and began reading through the draft proposed by the Alconan Officials. A red pen appeared and she proceeded to mark up the document, waiting for the return of the Klatchians.
Alcona and Hubris
18-03-2004, 18:07
The Major who had been at the table as an advisor earier just simply
"What" and held out his hand to look over whatever changes they wanted to make.
The Vrakian major waved at General Long. Urt was, by all accounts, a rather friendly 6'3" down home country boy and somewhat rough around the edges - especially when it came to the finer points of intercultural exchange. His mother was also from the Nef region, which was reputed to be inhabited by backward yet fierce nomads. He looked at the Drakonian general and said,
"General Long, sir. Would you care for a stiff drink? I sure could use one. All this talk is making me thirsty."
Dyelli Beybi
19-03-2004, 12:10
The Cheka agent crossed his arms belligerently, "Have you quite finished? Dyelli Beybi will not be trampled under the Drakonian jack boot." the fact that the Commisaar himself was wearing jack boots seemed to have escaped him.
"We had been happy to take no more than an observer role in these negotiations and allow you to speak for Klatch, however the deals you are forming are not acceptable. Every step of the way you cow-tow to the Emirates, making concession after concession, until it seems we have just lost a war and are surrendering to these pakrahs."
Dzerzhinsky's eyes narrowed, although the expression on his face and what came out of his mouth didn't seem to really match up, "Your efforts here seem to have been to very little avail. Negotiations have dragged on and on and no results are coming. You are being taken for a ride by the fremde Teufel Rather than giving me a lecture of matters which are self evident, you should be thanking me for shaking up the barrel. What I say, what General Nakkash was supposed to say, is nothing more than what Parliament has been debating for weeks."
"You are right, I am the Fuhrer's man. But he is the people's man, and that makes me the emissary of the people." by now the Commisaar's eyes were gleaming with fanatacism.
Alcona and Hubris
19-03-2004, 14:37
She narrowed her eyes..."First, I'm not the one who negotated most of this treaty! If your going to sling blame around you need to talk to your represenatives, who decided to get rid of nukes and appease the damn Drakonians with it...."
"As for the rest, I have yet to see how anything demands surrender. I mean for chirst sake we can do what we want without the interference of bloody Sithirl and her self-appointed legions of vassels who follow on her heels like adolescent school boys for forcing you to ask for a fricking passport from an elf before you barbacue one does not seem a high price to pay or surrender."
"Let me make this clear, Mr. Himmler is going to walk away from this a 'man of peace' willing to surrender nuclear arms for the greater good of the Klatch. If that won't help induce more to follow him and secure his poltical postion better I'd be surprised. And when we discover WMD in the Imperium the treaty is violated and null, and the United Emirates will likely break appart or toss Drakonia out on her ear. Without the UE backing them up they will cower in even thinking of invading."
"We haven't surrendered, nothing in this treaty says we have, nor any action in it. Only a fool or a Benjian would think so..."
Dyelli Beybi
21-03-2004, 14:15
"What happens if you don't find anything?" the Commisaar asked, folding his arms, "I agree that many of the concessions you made have little effect on the running of the country, however your willingness to bend over backwards to please these fremde Teufel means that they will seek time and time again to hoist more concessions upon us, not upon you, upon us, the Nations of the Southern Klatchian continent.
"Take for example the elf clause. I have my doubts whether that would have appeared had the Klatchiab delegation been showing a spine."
Alcona and Hubris
21-03-2004, 20:27
She raised an eyebrow..."Are you calling the Vrakians and the Alconians spinless whimps sir. Specifically my sister and my family? I would suggest you reconsider that statment before you let it stand."
She continues, "If the Imperium has no chemical or biological weapons then they are the most idodic nation since Acel. Using conventional warheads on ballistic missles with their tech base is a idiotic joke, of course that wouldn't completely surprise me."
"Now, we wanted the United Emeriates as part of the treaty group, or at least the Vrakians did. So know were stuck dealing with the true goal of the UE puppet master Sithirl and her desire to become the Elven Goddess. We have had a good deal of fustration with that too, but what does it matter? We proposed an amendment that the UE will agree with but only forces a minor procedural change on your part. We tried to apply reason, after all these were elves under Christofi of all people. I'd be very surprised if they are even remotely sane."
"If having to ask for passports is all We need to do to get the Elven upstart and her horde of little pointy ear lovers never to darken our part of the world again, so be it. Think about it, she can't break the treaty without revealing her true nature. Her goody goody routine will be our ally in keeping her pointy little nose out of Klatchian affairs for good. And if the UE sees that as a victory, well...they are idiots."
Drakonian Imperium
22-03-2004, 07:41
The Vrakian major waved at General Long. Urt was, by all accounts, a rather friendly 6'3" down home country boy and somewhat rough around the edges - especially when it came to the finer points of intercultural exchange. His mother was also from the Nef region, which was reputed to be inhabited by backward yet fierce nomads. He looked at the Drakonian general and said,
"General Long, sir. Would you care for a stiff drink? I sure could use one. All this talk is making me thirsty."
The General grinned ear-to-ear. "Why, I think I would," he said standing and working his way around the table to the Vrakian Major. He nodded to the delegates. "Gentlem...offici...honore...uh...If you will excuse me?"
"Gladly," Diana blurted, before she realized what she was saying. Her hand shot to her mouth and she look embaressed, yet the looks on the other delegates faces' seemed to show their agreement with her statement.
Fortunately, the General ignored her statement. He turned, throwing his arm over the shoulder of the Major and marching off to the bar, his voice could be heard well after he was gone. "Major, I know this great drink. It's called the Strange Devil. Hottest and well...strangest thing you'll ever drink. You see, I first had it in a bar in south pacific on small island paradise of Sava.
"You ever been to Sava? No. Well you don't know what your missing. They have some seriously beautiful women on that tropical isle. Best women I've ever seen. And, let me tell you, I've seen a lot of women...."
Dyelli Beybi
22-03-2004, 10:52
Dzerzhinsky's mouth twisted in annoyance, "What I am saying is that the delegates of Vrak and Alcona and Hubris have made very little effort to include the views of Southern Klatch while making broad agreements with vast ramifications for us, and minimal ramifications for you, except possible a lucrative trading partner in one of the Emirate states.
"We have no objection in principle to asking for passports off the pointy eared fiends, but we see no reason why we should bow to the demands of a state that isn't even present at the negotiations. It is none of their concern how our internal policies work and if they wish to make it so, they are welcome to contact us and point this out."
He sighed, looking at his watch, "This discussion is going nowhere. Your view is of course noted, however we feel at this point the needs of the people of Southern Klatch not to be trampled over, ought to be respected. May I suggest a return to the meeting, and no further inpromptu sessions out the back, enjoyable as this tête à tête has been."
He smiled politely.
The Vrakian major waved at General Long. Urt was, by all accounts, a rather friendly 6'3" down home country boy and somewhat rough around the edges - especially when it came to the finer points of intercultural exchange. His mother was also from the Nef region, which was reputed to be inhabited by backward yet fierce nomads. He looked at the Drakonian general and said,
"General Long, sir. Would you care for a stiff drink? I sure could use one. All this talk is making me thirsty."
The General grinned ear-to-ear. "Why, I think I would," he said standing and working his way around the table to the Vrakian Major. He nodded to the delegates. "Gentlem...offici...honore...uh...If you will excuse me?"
"Gladly," Diana blurted, before she realized what she was saying. Her hand shot to her mouth and she look embaressed, yet the looks on the other delegates faces' seemed to show their agreement with her statement.
Fortunately, the General ignored her statement. He turned, throwing his arm over the shoulder of the Major and marching off to the bar, his voice could be heard well after he was gone. "Major, I know this great drink. It's called the Strange Devil. Hottest and well...strangest thing you'll ever drink. You see, I first had it in a bar in south pacific on small island paradise of Sava.
"You ever been to Sava? No. Well you don't know what your missing. They have some seriously beautiful women on that tropical isle. Best women I've ever seen. And, let me tell you, I've seen a lot of women...."
The Major grinned and said,
"You know, all that talk in there is not for folk like us. I'd rather be hunting orcs along our northern borders or tossing insurgents into the vats. All this negotiation makes my wee head spin.
I wouldn't mind giving that drink of yours a few pulls. And while our climate isn't tropical, I'll say there's nothing like having a good women on those cold Vrakian nights."
The Major walked with General Long like they were long lost war buddies to the nearest bar.
Drakonian Imperium
22-03-2004, 15:49
The odd officers quickly made their way to hotel's bar, looking a bit pickular as the General was much smaller than the Major. Nevertheless, they seemed entirely intent on making it to their destination and a good stiff drink.
"Aye, laddy," the General agreed with the Vrakian, as they arrived. "Bartender, two Strange Devils."
The General turned back to his foriegn comrade. "Laddy, may I suggest you take yourself a tropical vacation, then. I think you'll find the women more...appealing to the eye and body." At this comment there were several deathlike glances from women in the bar, but the General ignored them.
The drinks arrived and the General motioned to the one in front of the Major indicating he should go first. The small shot glass was full of a weird red liquer swirled with some black liquid. All in all, it appeared very strange and had a very strong cinnimon and spicy smell to it. Derek Long seeing the Major hesitate for a second, throw his own shot back down his throat and despite strong efforts to the contrary his face contorted with the power of the spicy concontion.
"Aaah, that's the stuff," the General commented, making an odd smacking sound as he talked. "Now for something else. Bartender, two Vodkas." The sound persisted after he finished speaking, indicating Derek's attempts to cleanse his mouth of the overpowering taste.
Derek Long looked on expectantly for the Major to throw down his own Strange Devil.
The Vrakian major drank the strange concoction, noting it wasn't that much different from the weird variety of mixtures peculiar to the Nef. He grimaced as he swallowed it down but managed to avoid sputtering.
"Ah, I can go for a vodka General."
Alcona and Hubris
23-03-2004, 05:35
OOC: Strange at 10:00 pm exactly I can actually post now...hmmm
IC: She just laughed, of course there was a definate menevolance..."My god, I want to have nothing to do with the self-appointed Elven-Goddess B*** she's of the same vain as Dozle. We shall lead our people to greatness I'd prefer to deal with two groups of self centered Parakas at the moment then add some pointy eared twits...." She nods again, the laughter in voice is almost contagious.
"That 'treat elves equal to humans is no more than taking a janitor, giving him the title of Admiral of the 'Inner waters' and detailing him to 'maintain the sanity, and dignity of the waters within the porcalin ring'. He's still cleaning the fricken toilet. While binding Sithril's hands with a nice bright knot."
Her voice becomes far graver...
"My family has had enough of Sirithirl the self proclaimed Goddess, but we're far more intrested in undermining her true strenghts rather than start a pickup, smackdown fight that will cost her only a few million of her brainswashed elven troops. No, Sithirl deserves something far more...elegant her puffed up claims of godhood. Twit that she is, an attack on her prestige within the Elven and world community would be far more serious to her true strenghts....You can relay to Mr. Himmler that we wouldn't mind having some of his best and brightest in on our future endevor. Now, shall we return?"
OOC: Personally I'm a bit annoyed at her universal thread dropping habits.
Dyelli Beybi
23-03-2004, 12:20
The Commisaar gave a slight smile, if anything he looked slightly confused by the sudden change of tone, "I sincerely doubt there is anything we can do to dent that prestige. The best coruse we can take is simply to go along our merry way, and if any of that creature's unmenschliche Geschöpfe weniger gültig als Menschen show up, to send them back to the unquencheable fires of hell from whence they came."
His voice was dry, with maybe the slightest hgint of sarcasm creeping in towards the end. The Commisaar opened the door and held it open, for the Alconian, giving off the impression to anyone who may have been waiting outside, that everything was fine.
Alcona and Hubris
26-03-2004, 05:57
The Landgravine smiled and also walked out...
Meanwhile, Orith stirred as only a drunken walrus could stir. He flopped over on his left side and belched while mumbling "Ah! Pakrahs! Ah!". His aides, somewhat embarrassed at their supervisor's behaviour, quickly made sure to reward the owner of the bar generously. Only a few onlookes stared at the curious sight but were soon turned away by contigent of smiling yet eerily silent bodyguards.
Major Urt bumped his head on the table as he managed to down his 10th Strange Devil. He looked up at the General and slurred,
"Yooo Drakonians are ur right. Where's the [hiccup] bathroom?"
Alcona and Hubris
01-04-2004, 07:09
OOC: We have agreement, ( or at least more Ayes) for this within the FKC...I want to bury this before Menclemar becomes a puppet of Melkor...which means that the elven queen is also ignored.
So spit out what you want damn it...Or I'm going to assume that this is inforce...
OOC: OOK! OOK! Lookee lookee over here Drak! Unfinished RP! OOK! OOK!
Drakonian Imperium
05-04-2004, 16:21
Diana worked furiously, apparently marring the document horribly with her penmarks. Finally, she passed the document off and her assistant began typing her editings on the current draft. After a moment, she hovered over his shoulder whispering further changes. It wasn't for quite a while that she noticed everyone was waiting.
She looked up from her work upon her realization and was met with the eyes of all the bored delegates. "I am sorry, it will just be a minute more and I will present my suggested changes." They just stared on and she mummbled another "sorry," returning to her hover and whispering as they continued to wait.
OOC: Further, OOC Apologies, I just realized I had classwork due and just got back to this after a long weekend. I'll mark up a draft over lunch (after my class) and try to post it just after lunch. Again, sorry.
Drakonian Imperium
07-04-2004, 17:24
Finally, the Drakonians finished their editing. Diana straightened from her perch over her assistant's shoulder and looked to the other delegates. "I have finished the editings. I hope you find it to your satifaction."
As the next draft was drawn up or rather printed, Diana's assistant joked. "I bet the arguing in these negotiations are nothing compared to the arguing at the Treaty of Verseilles." No one laughed and Diana shot the man a reproving look. "Yeah, tough crowd." He shut up. Needless to say, he did not make another joke for the rest of the entire negotiations, for the purpose of preserving his career. A wise choice.
It was quickly after that event that the draft was handed out to each delegate. As they read Diana made another comment. "You will notice the multi-colored stars by certain items, these indicated edited items (in blue), item, which are issues (in red), and new additions (in yellow)."
The document before, every delegate read:
Nekoa Bay Accords
Article I
The Federated Klatchian Coast guarantees:
1 ) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Weapon Material, Warheads, Delivery Devices & Vehicles (those only usable for Nuclear Ordinance), and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Dyelli Beybi (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command). *
2 ) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Weapon Material, Warheads, Delivery Devices & Vehicles (those only usable for Nuclear Ordinance), and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Fasta Benj (currently under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command). *
3 ) The disassembly of all Nuclear Weapons Launch Sites, Research, and Production Facilities, which cannot be converted to other uses, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
4 ) Allowing full inspections to verify that Sections 1, 2, and 3 have been fully met. Inspections will be carried out in three parts, by three parties. The three parties made up of Emirate, Klatchian, and Neutral inspectors. First, inspectors will identify all materials and facilities, listed in Sections 1, 2, and 3, for their destruction or alteration. Second, inspectors will verify that all items identified in Sections 1, 2, and 3, have been destroyed or altered. Finally, inspectors will ensure that all the items identified and verified have all been destroyed or altered to the satisfaction of all inspecting parties. Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Federation, through the Privy Council. *
5 ) The end of Nuclear Weapon Programs never again to be restarted, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
6 ) Humanitarian Aid and Reparations for those who suffered and are suffering because of the Nuclear Strikes, from Dyelli Beybi and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
i ) Reperations have been agreed between the states of Dyelli Beybi and Axe Wielding Manicas. Any disagreements about payments shall be arbitrated by only those parties directly involved. *
ii ) Humanitarian Aid shall only cover the decontamination, feeding, and healthcare of those affected by the Nuclear Strikes. A cap of three trillion krondors and five years shall be set for all humantarian aid from the UTP and the Federation. The Imperium shall submit a census of all individuals living in the fall out area, and any treatment, food supplies, or decontamination each person receives. An update on these individuals shall be provided each year with the services rendered for payment. *
7 ) 60% Disarmament of the Navy of the nation of Dyelli Beybi, previously agreed upon by Dyelli Beybi and Drakonia. Disarmament will be carried out immediately and only be maintained for a limited ammount of time. *
8 ) 10% Disarmament of all Military Services of the nation of Axe Wielding Maniacs, previously agreed upon by Axe Weilding Maniacs and Drakonia. Disarmament will only be carried out immediately and be maintained for a limited ammount of time. *
Article II
The Drakonian Imperium guarantees:
1 ) The updated status of Peace between the Drakonian Imperium, the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast. *
2 ) The current Missile Defense Technology used by Drakonia to defend against Nuclear Missile Strikes, including but not limited to: Anti-Missile Missile Batteries, Missile Guidance Jammers, and Missile Tracking Equipment, to the states of the Federated Klatchian Coast.
3 ) Never again will the nation of Drakonian Imperium restart a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapon Programs.
4 ) Inspection of Drakonian will be carried out by one initial inspection to ensure that the Imperium is free from Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Weapons. Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Imperium. Inspections are to be carried out via Emirate, Klatchian, and Neutral Parties. *
5 ) The immediate withdrawal of all Naval Forces from near Klatchian Waters. *
Article III
The United Emirates and Federated Klatchian Coast agree to:
1 ) A full Non-Aggression Pact between the the sovereign Federated Klatchian Coast and the United Emirates, which will protect each entity from interference and invasion from the other. Either side (The UE and the FKC) will inform the other if and when they believe a violation of the treaty has occurred and agree to resolve the dispute quickly and to the satisfaction of both sides. *
2 ) Ensure peace between the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast.
3A ) Any and all Elves and/or citizens, and/or those that claim relations and/or kinship with the nations of the United Emirates residing in the Federated Klatchian Coast shall be treated with respect, no differently than Humans within the Federation, and as they would within the borders of their home nations.*
3B ) Any and all citizens, and/or those that claim relations and/or kinship with the Federated Klatchian Coast residing within the nations of the United Emirates shall be accorded the same respect as if they resided within Klatch.*
Definition of Terms:
The terms "Klatch", "Federation", and the acronym "FKC" shall refer to the Federated Klatchian Coast, as a whole. This includes, but not necessarily limited to, the states of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs. While the term, "Klatchian" will refer to those citizens of the Federated Klatchian Coast and of that nationality and ethnicity, as a whole. *
The acronym "JDF", shall refer to the Joint Defense Force and The Privy Council of the Federated Klatchian Coast, which are the governing bodies thereof. *
The term "United Emirates" and the acronym "UE" shall refer to the United Emirates alliance. The United Emirates is an imperialist alliance which includes members that are not only found within the United Emirates region but also members that may be in different regions. While the term, "Emirate" shall refer to citizens of any Emirate nation and of those nationalities and ethnicity. *
The terms the "Drakonian Imperium", "the Imperium", and "Drakonia" shall refer to the Drakonian Imperium, which is the current Chair of the United Emirate Leadership Council. While the term, "Drakonian" will refer to those citizens of the Imperium and of that nationality and ethinicity. *
The term "Neutral" and "Neutral Party", shall refer to a nation, agreed to by both the United Emirates and The Federated Klatchian Coast, which has no interests whatsoever in either side. *
The term "Peace", shall be defined as: An end to armed conflict and cessation of hostilities between to parties. In this case, these parties include the entire United Emirates alliance and the entire Federated Klatchian Coast. *
OOC: OMG, this is still going on?! :shock:
This has been going on since Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:48 pm :!:
Alcona and Hubris
07-04-2004, 18:17
The Markgravine reads for any possible loopholes she hasn't seen. "Ah besides some format changes what exact edit have you done here?"
Drakonian Imperium
07-04-2004, 20:51
"Not a lot of major one. Just minor clarifications and wording changes, mostly." Diana was still standing and she picked up a copy of the latest draft to explain the changes, one by one. It was going to take a while.
"Most obvious are the formating changes." She nodded to the Markgravine. "And the biggest of these was dropping the Definition of Terms to the end, where I believe most nations (including Drakonia) place that section at the end of official government documents. The other changes are more obvious and I believe do not believe need any explaination." She glanced down at the Accords.
"The changes in Article I are rather mundane," she continued. "First, I noticed that there was a difference between Sections 1 and 2 and unified those, dropping the little bit about inspection at the end, as it was covered in Section 4, I believe." Again she glanced down at the paper. "Yes, Section 4, which is next on the changes. I reworded and condensed it, to better explain the inspection process. Doing this, I dropped the Inspection Formula as the two sets of inspections are totally different and only one explaination for each is necessary. Final, changes were made to Sections 7 and 8, rewording from the last draft."
"Continuing on to Article II..." She looked down and read through that Article to ensure she remembered all the changes. "In Section 1, I removed the definition of Peace, placing it with the Definition of Terms. Next, I believe there was some minor changes to Sections 4 and 5, which were just rewordings from the previous draft."
"Moving on..." Another look down. "I condensed Section 1 of Article III, which I also believe was slightly rewords. You should also note both parts of Section 3 of Article III, as there was some major rewording there.
"The rest is merely formating, I believe, but I do suggest you read over it carefully and compare it with the last draft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2905760#2905760)." She sat down waiting for the inevitable response. "Once you are all ready and satisfied, I would like to discuss some further changes. As the Imperium has some concern particularly over the Humanitarian Aid Section. We also wish some sort of economic agreement to cement these accords and discourage violation of them." Then she waited.
Dyelli Beybi
07-04-2004, 21:53
The Cheka agent had been sitting at the end of the table looking his usual arrogent self, he read the proposal then shook his head, "We see the removal of all nuclear weapons as beneficial in no way to the Imperium, while exceedingly damaging to our ASW shipping. If the Imperium can demonstrate in some way how disarming our depth charges will in any way protect their civilian population, we will consider this. At this stage however it looks like nothing more than a further attempt to punish the Province."
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Meanwhile in the desert east of Bath at the 'Fennec' military base.
For the last months Dyelli Beybi's Socialist Government had been dumping nuclear warheads in the base, although very few had been disposed of, mostly they had been kept in storage for the ends of negotiations (the actual launch facilities were still housing ICBMs, although the warheads themselves had been replaced with something equally as unpleasant).
The Commandant looked at the Cheka agent nervously, "What about the JDF?" he asked.
"If there are any representatives of that ill-devised Bourgeoisie organisation in the facility take them into custody." the agent said curtly, "Make sure however, Oberst, that you do not harm them. We do not want to provoke war with Klatch, explain to them politely that it has been decided that the nuclear weapons will be housed more safely under Cheka supervision, and that they are no longer needed to keep an eye on it."
The Oberst did not stop looking alarmed.
Alcona and Hubris
08-04-2004, 02:48
Of course there was the small problem that the group of JDF officers also included a few men with more 'varried' backgrounds.
Drakonian Imperium
08-04-2004, 16:18
"Commisaar," Diana adressed the Dyelli Beybian. "Your right, the removal of all Nuclear Weapons is not of benefit to Drakonia. But, it helps ensure the peace we are trying to build. Have you considered the ecological dangers of your nuclear depth charges. I for one find it most distressing. The damage to the Caribbean from your ICBM that crashed there and detonated was devastating and it will likely take hundreds of years for that area to fully recover. The ecosystem is all interconnected therefore the use of your nuclear depth charges anywhere in the world has effect all across it. That, sir, effects the Drakonian Citizenry, endangering them in ways neither of us can fully understand."
OOC: Rats, my yelling character is drunk at the bar...curse your effectiveness Vrak. I have to be diplomatic.
Alcona and Hubris
08-04-2004, 17:37
OOC: You expected anything less...
IC: "Trying to renegoatiate at this late stage Commasar is a bit problematic." The Markgravine added
"As for Humanitarian aid what do you want. And I really don't see what more you want, these 'ecconomic' assurances are likely not going to fly since I can't see how the central government would apply them. But what do you want?"
Drakonian Imperium
09-04-2004, 00:03
Diana nodded respectfully at the Markgravine. "I would direct you attention to Section 6, of Article I. The Imperium feels that the Humanitarian Aid is a bit shortsighted." She saw the looks she got from that comment, but continued anyway. "Let be explain."
Pulling a folder from her breifcase she opened it and passed a document to each delegate. On it was the face of a light-skinned teenager and detailed information about him. "This is John, or Johnny as he prefers to be called, Rufus. He lost both parents in the nuclear strike on Eugene/Springfield. He likely won't be able to pay for college, because of it and will jostled around in foster care for next to years until he is eighteen and can live on his own."
She passed out another paper to each delegate. It displayed the information and face of an older ebony-skinned woman. "This is Crispina Messienus, she lost her husband and her home during the attack on Castries. Because of that, she, a mother of two, will have to get a full-time job, just to get her kid's through college and to again put a roof over their head.
"And there are others...over two million other Drakonian Citizens were injured or directly affected by the nuclear attacks. Already, a half a million are dead and another half a million are expected to die from radiation poisoning. And many more are left homeless, parentless, childless. This doesn't even cover the several hundred foreign citizens affect by the tragedy."
She emptied the contents of the folder she had removed from her briefcase, handing a stack of documents to each delegate. One was an elderly couple that had lost all they own while visiting relatives. Another was a young child that had been orphaned. Another, a father who while away working had lost everything, wife, and child.
"The Imperium wishes for more than just healthcare, and assistance in the decontamination," Diana continued. "The Imperium needs help with the welfare of those suffering, because of Dyelli Beybi's indiscretion."
Diana finally retook her seat, waiting for the ineffitable reply. She would continue on to the other matters, when the current Humanitarian Aid issue had been resolved. She felt them minor matters compared to the issue she had just introduced.
OOC: I knew what Vrak was doing, when he did it. And yes, I did explect to half to be diplomatic, even though my nation would be screaming for blood after the nuclear strikes.
Meanwhile, Orith stirred. One of his aides was trying to rouse him - although unsuccessfully at this point. Finally, an idea dawned and he drew close and quietly whispered,
"Sir. If you don't wake up soon, those pakrahs will overrun the Klatch with their meddlesome ways and liberal ideas!"
Orith suddenly awakened with a start and grumbled. He downed a pot of coffee and soon ambled his way to the conference room. Mind you, he had to make a couple stops to heave his guts.
Drakonian Imperium
09-04-2004, 05:10
Across the bar, the General noticed (how could he not) the Vrakian awakening their delegate. He had drunk drink for drink with Major Urt.
An appropriate name considering the way the man burped, the General thought idly of onto a tangent.
Anyway, he had been drink for think and had out drunk the Major, which was to be expected. After all Derek Long was the General in command of all the Imperial Drakonian Armed Forces, he hadn't gotten to that position without a few (or rather a lot; very lot) strong drinks. Nevertheless, the General had to comment the Major for his ability to drink alcohol; the man was able to keep his licker down better than any Major the General knew.
Where had the Major gotten off to anyway, the General wondered, again off into a tangent. The restroom, he remembered.
Funny. The General had seen him wonder in the direction of the Woman's Restroom. Oh well, he concluded his mental wanderings and decided to enjoy himself watching the Vrakians rouse their chief diplomat.
OOC: Liberal?! I think we need a cultural exchange.
Major Urt stumbled back from the washroom still holding his reddened left cheek. He grinned foolishly and sheepishly as only a drunk could at Long.
"I went into the wrong room. Ah well. Did get a phone number though."
He held a business card with a hastily scribbed number on it with the name "Marla" inside a crudely drawn heart.
Dyelli Beybi
09-04-2004, 13:37
"Nonsense." the Commisaar snorted, "Our depth charges have only positive effects on the ecosystem." he nodded to an aide who dashed off.
"This has of course been proven by a survey of cuttlefish populations in areas the weapons were tested, measured over a period of 5 years." he looked rather smug about this.
A second aide entered the room and handed a piece of paper to the Dzerzhinsky's face took on a grave look, "It seems there has been a terrible treachery. It seems our beloved General Nakkash has ingested no small amount of pentobarbitone. At this stage we have found no evidence of anything other than the oral route of administration..."
for no apparent reason he gave a brief smile to the Markgravine
"We are of course forced to assume it was ingested at the bar, slipped to the general insidiously." his voice remained calm and measured as he spoke, "Dyelli Beybi demands an explanation from the Drakonian Imperium how this could have happened in supposedly neutral territory."
His eyes flicked between the delegates, he was greatly enjoying himself. He was a Dzerzhinsky after all. As a young man he had followed his father in constant attacks on the Tzarist establishment. He had been what many people would have called a terroist. He had personally been responsible for the bombing of the palace at Carabis that had resulted in the deaths of 18 nobles, guards and servants. He could lie without thinking and being two-faced was second nature to him. It was only his capacity for random acts of shocking violence that had lead him to a career in the Cheka rather than in politics. He raised an eyebrow demandingly, "Well?"
(OOC) A&H, I don't know what you gave him. I hope you don't mind me saying pento. I've waited a few weeks real time for the results of this blood test, hope you don't mind it appearing perhaps a little too fast RP time.
Alcona and Hubris
09-04-2004, 21:19
OOC: Nah, Although Alconian chemistry is fairly good expecially in exotic plant based toxins...
IC:
The Markgravine was too busy looking at some new documents and swearing to herself to really notice the goings on.
(Which might be the Alconian response to all your evil posturing...a yawn...or a neutron bomb...you never can tell with us :wink: )
Drakonian Imperium
12-04-2004, 00:46
"You demand from us?!" Diana was outraged. Insult upon insult, do these people ever stop. She looked from the Dyelli Beybian to the Alconan, who was apparently distracted. This time, it appeared, she wasn't going to reign in the Cheka.
Diana stood rapidly, launching back her reply. "Need I remind you that Drakonia is not in charge of security! Need I remind you that Drakonia is here for peace! Before you go making demands, I advise you to consider what...." Diana checked herself, stopping for a second to attempt to regain her cool after the latest insult.
Drakonians, a people of honor considered the poisoning, especially in the case of poisoning at a diplomatic summit, underhanded. Something it appeared the Dyelli Beybians were all to capable of doing. The latest insult on the Drakonian Honor stung deep and hard, as it was intended, and quickly reduced the chance for a peaceful settlement in Diana's anger, but she had stopped her.
"Ladies and Gentlemen," Diana addressed those assembled, her eye falling on both the Commisaar and the Markgravine. "If we are to throw further insults, I suggest we let our militaries take over and not waste the time of our diplomats."
Orith, after a few unsuccessful attempts, finally managed to roll into the conference room and caught that last sentences from Diana.
"...are to throw further insults, I suggest we let our militaries take over and not waste the time of our diplomats."
Orith blinked and then said,
"What are you saying here? If you aren't in charge of security, then who is? After all, we are in your nation are we not? When we hosted the World Court long ago, we were in charge and ultimately assumed all responsibility, even though we had generous help from other nations, such as Dyelli Beybi and Alcona and Hubris."
He nodded to his fellow Klatchians and then looked around the room. His gaze then settled on the pictures of charred people. He let out a sigh and said,
"As well, I believe we already expressed our apologies and tried to make ammends. But please don't try to pull our heartstrings here. While you have lost two cities, we have lost far more in the war with Dozle."
A sigh. His head felt like a blacksmith's anvil.
Dyelli Beybi
12-04-2004, 01:12
"That would be an unwise decision." The Commisaar replied, but went no further in backing down, "We still demand to know how such a travesty could occur, and the party of the Emirates seems the most likely to wish to silence the voices of Dyelli Beybi and Southern Klatch in General."
Drakonian Imperium
12-04-2004, 04:15
Diana looked oddly at the Vrakian. "No, Ambassador. We are in Nekoa Bay, Reploid Productions, not Drakonia. And need I remind you that these negotiations are not about your war with Dozle."
She would not have graced the Commisaar with a reply, but for his closing words. "Did we silence the voices of Southern Klatch when we met personally with your new leaders, negotiated, and opened a dialogue with both Dyelli Beybi and Axe Weilding Maniac? Did we silence the voices of Southern Klatch when we talked first and averted a war that begun as a Nuclear War?
"Commisaar, your continued badgering is insulting. You say you want peace? Then like a civiled person sit down and let's negotiate peace. If you continue insult my diplomatic team's honor, my nation's honor, then I can see no peace, because, Commisaar, where there is no respect there is no communication, no dialogue, no treaties. So if you want peace, Commisaar, as you say, then let's talk peace, instead of unfound and untrue allogations." Diana sat.
OOC: He is an Ambassador, right? I forgot his official title, if he not.
OOC: Argh. Right. Brain fart.
IC:
Orith suddenly remember where he was and wrote off his mistake to the crate of vodka that he consumed.
"Ah yes, well, anyhow. Ummm, my point is that our honour has been insulted as well you know. But we have overlooked such insults."
A deep sign while an aide brought him some water.
"Look, what is wrong with the agreement now? Trillions of Kronors aren't good enough? We don't have the ability to resurrect the dead. Perhaps you should consult the absent Menelmacari since I hear elves live for a very long time."
Alcona and Hubris
12-04-2004, 05:46
"It's a sleeping agent..." The Alconian stated...(Or that is all she gave him, we don't kill people we don't like...just get them out of our hair...I didn't think that was a poison :? ) "...so who knows, maybe someone wanted to date rape him. In the end let's just call it a minor inconvenice caused by some party yet undetermined. Hell, it might have been a pro-Dozle agent here in Reploid Productions after all." She says from the stack of papers she is now buried in.
"Now may I respectfully redirect your attention to the matter at hand, and make the note that a good deal of cross cultural insults have been thrown around. I would suggest that we avoid jumping up and down about any futher insults on both sides."
"And I can fully say that the southern Klatch has not be made quiet by the recent incident. Has it?"
Orith looked sharply at the Alconian at the mention of a Dozle agent. Ever since the war, the Vrakians have been jumpy at the name. The Dozle invasion and subsequent defeat at the hands of the Klatch was responsible for the new forces asserting themselves in Vrak.
Dyelli Beybi
13-04-2004, 13:27
The Cheka agent glared at the Alconian, he seemed to be slowly losing his temper, "No. This will not be swept under the carpet in the name of your Machievellian political schemes. Dyelli Beybi will not sit idly by while such gross insults are heaped upon us. This matter will be settled, or you."
He swept his hand to indicate the whole room, "...Can negotiate with us the old fashioned way: Staring down a bloody rifle. And I'm warning you now. We may not be using nuclear ICBMs, but that does not mean we are not still capable of raining death on your cities. We are armed, and by God, if we're pushed to we'll use every thing we've got."
The agent's smile twisted in distaste, "Now." he said mimicking the Alconian's accent, "May I respectfully redirect your attention to the matter at hand?"
Alcona and Hubris
13-04-2004, 15:09
Elizabeth looked at the Cheka agent. She just sighs..."Really people, why are we here? To throw insults around? Make threats of do as I say or I'm going to rain death upon thy shores? Spend our time throwing crap around the room that Reploid Productions decides to just tear the building down due to the stench we've left? No, we are here to attempt to protect 'our' people, if they are southern Klatchian, Northern Klatchian, Drakonian, Vrakian, what have you...from any further ravages of war."
She just looks at both sides of the table.
"In an attempt to end World Insult Fest eight thousand twenty six, I will now insult myself. I'm a bleeding libritine anti-socialist paranoid b*** who represents a Royal Family that seems at times like some god awful dysfuntional group of psycopaths who make Imortians look reasonable. My hair is too damn long, I have ears as big as an elephanant and they couldn't get the dog to play with me even after puting a raw steak on around my neck. (This from a woman who looks something like Keira Knightley (Maxium #18))"
"Now wasn't that a stupid little adventure on my part." She again looks at the Cheka agent. "Well you want to take on the world and the Klatch fine, enjoy. You can leave the Federation anytime you want...no one is going to stop you."
(Really, this isn't going to go to a civil war since it's expressly writtien that you can succede in the constitution. :lol: So you can succede,attack the FKC and...enjoy watching neutron's bloom across your lands. )
Orith looked up in surprise at the outburst. Egad, my head hurts. he mused. One flipper extended over his head and covered his face. An aide fetched a large bucket and Orith promptly puked.
Somewhere, in another dimension far away, the god of liquor laughed.
Orith looked up in surprise at the outburst. Egad, my head hurts. he mused. One flipper extended over his head and covered his face. An aide fetched a large bucket and Orith promptly puked.
Somewhere, in another dimension far away, the god of liquor laughed.
Orith looked up in surprise at the outburst. Egad, my head hurts. he mused. One flipper extended over his head and covered his face. An aide fetched a large bucket and Orith promptly puked.
Somewhere, in another dimension far away, the god of liquor laughed.
Dyelli Beybi
14-04-2004, 09:33
The Cheka agent stood up and tipped his hat, "These negotiations are over." he clicked his jackbooted heels together, "I bid good-day to you."
Within the hour the Dyelli Beybian delegation had departed.
Drakonian Imperium
14-04-2004, 14:30
Diana had just about to speak when the Dyelli Beybians left the table. She wasn't sure whether to be happy or annoyed. She had just been trying to figure out if she made a mistake on the last draft of the Accords. Apparently, she had not.
"I have no problem with the cap, Amdassador Hagwonak," Diana responded to the Vrakian. "My problem is with the wording, I would like to add welfare to the uses of Humanitarian Aid, that is all, which means I am probably making a fuss over nothing." It looked as though the Klatchians agreed. "Just a minor side note, might I have a rate of exchange to better understand just how much money three trillion Krondors is, because it sounds like quite a lot."
Then the Dyelli Beybians walked out.
"May I assume they are not," she asked the pile of papers in front of the Markgravine.
Orith sighed,
"We don't care what you do with the money. Buy all your citizens vodka and call it humanitarian aid if you think it would help."
Another massive puke into the bucket.
"Oh, and the exchange rate is about a dollar twenty three US to one Kronor."
He wanted to scream. You bastard pakrahs know nothing of war or loss. Two cities! Only two cities! Bastards! Blokk pakrahs the entire nation you are! he thought to himself.
His head throbbed and suddenly he felt very hungry.
Alcona and Hubris
14-04-2004, 19:11
"Well I think that your going to have to fight for nuclear disarmerment...not with the Klatch but the new independent nation of Deylli Beybi. Or I'm going to take that response as they don't want to be part of the Federation any longer...So perhaps we should just I'm not sure how to change that item..."
(Weeee...months of negotation (actually that's RL months...) fall appart not with the Klatch but with D.B. If they withdraw from the Federation well... :twisted: )
Drakonian Imperium
16-04-2004, 07:16
Diana sensed some animosity from the Vrakian. It was almost as if he didn't consider those who died important. But no, Diana could not and would not believe that. "Then I will reword it accordingly," she replied. "I thank you for you cander."
The Alconan's statement however caught her entirely of guard. "You mean that Dyelli Beybi has left Klatch? It is no longer part of the Federation?"
She was shocked. "Is there even a reason for us to continue, if what you say is true?"
Orith sighed and just looked at Diana,
"Of course there is a reason to continue. To end this so we can get on with our lives and hopefully stay out of eachother's way. Unless, you don't want that to happen..."
His voice trailed off.
Drakonian Imperium
16-04-2004, 16:40
Inwardly, Diana sighed. "That is not what I meant, Ambassador," she stated diplomaticly. "I meant that are these negotiation needed with Dyelli Beybi having decided not to cooperate with either of us." She continued trying further to clarify what she had said. "It would seem we have no problem with each other without Dyelli Beybi being involved. Yet, I suppose it may be mutually beneficial to continue."
Orith seemed almost...bored. Then he replied,
"Obviously, things will be more difficult without Dyelli Beybi participating. But remember, I represent the office of the FKC president. And once this is signed, then whatever happens afterwards...well...let the chips fall where they may. Let us worry about any internal matters that have to be sorted out, okay?"
Orith finally got control of his stomach and then proceeded to drink a cold pitcherful of water. His headache didn't lessen at all though. Maybe I drank two crates he mused.
==A.Bump.In.The.Hopes.Of.Wrapping.This.Up.==
Drakonian Imperium
21-04-2004, 06:26
"Then we come to the final item," Diana stated. "The Imperium and indead the United Emirates." She gestured to the Emirate Representatives. "Would like some sort of trade agreement added, to discourage violation of the Accords. We were thinking along the lines of either free trade assurances or reduced tariffs, on both sides."
OOC: Sorry, final exam week here at college.
Orith blinked in surprise. Trade with the pakrahs? Slowly, his mind wondered at the possibilities and consequences.
"Let us confer on this matter. Mind you, I'll say that free trade is certainly out of the question, unless I can be convinced otherwise."
Dyelli Beybi
21-04-2004, 07:41
(OOC) Seen my stolen aid money thread? If you want that money to be yours Drakonia just shout ;)
Alcona and Hubris
22-04-2004, 15:00
OOC: This is the second time I've tried to post this...
"I am afraid that trade concessions can not be made by the Central Government. Such powers are not granted through our consitution. Nor is it likely that trade and trade sanctions would provide much of a deterent against some members of the Klatch." was Elizabeth's comment.
Drakonian Imperium
22-04-2004, 17:05
OOC: I tried posting...I tried telling you of my failure...and each time it was eaten this is my last attempt till later today.
Orith nodded at Elizabeth's comments.
"Rather than further complicate the accords with some manner of trade agreement tacked on, let us concentrate on the matter at hand. And please, I don't think our trade volume with your country registers at all. We have several other nations that we enjoy free trade with. Adding or removing the Drakonian Imperium from that list would hardly affect us."
Orith shrugged.
Tersanctus
22-04-2004, 18:49
"I dont think that a free trade agreement is all that necessary. If I may respectfully submit. And all this has had some rather interesting twists and turns."
"So I say lets sign the goddamn thing as is, unless there are some more objections. I have faith that neither the UE, nor the FKC, has any desire to break these accords. True, both sides are giving a tough guy 'Well, we're NOT afraid to got to war' stance. And this is understandable, but the fact of the matter is, if simply for the peace of mind of our citizens, we want peace, we dont want a pointless war. And we both know that unless we sign now, we're going to be here for a good while longer...I think we all just want to go home" said Patrick.
Alcona and Hubris
23-04-2004, 01:43
"You are completely correct, Sir. I know that the current document has a passable majority vote in the Klachian Parliment," Elizabeth adds.
Alcona and Hubris
23-04-2004, 01:44
"You are completely correct, Sir. I know that the current document has a passable majority vote in the Klachian Parliment," Elizabeth adds.
Tersanctus
23-04-2004, 06:58
"Than Tersanctus signs it as is. That is our final stance, I hope that this will lead to greater interaction between our regions, otherwise, I leave in peace." replied Patrick.
Nekoa Bay Accords
Article I
The Federated Klatchian Coast guarantees:
1 ) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Weapon Material, Warheads, Delivery Devices & Vehicles (those only usable for Nuclear Ordinance), and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Dyelli Beybi (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command). *
2 ) The disarmament and destruction of all Nuclear Weapon Material, Warheads, Delivery Devices & Vehicles (those only usable for Nuclear Ordinance), and all items that are only usable for Nuclear Ordinance, of Fasta Benj (currently under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command). *
3 ) The disassembly of all Nuclear Weapons Launch Sites, Research, and Production Facilities, which cannot be converted to other uses, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj (now under Klatchian Joint Defense Forces command), and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
4 ) Allowing full inspections to verify that Sections 1, 2, and 3 have been fully met. Inspections will be carried out in three parts, by three parties. The three parties made up of Emirate, Klatchian, and Neutral inspectors. First, inspectors will identify all materials and facilities, listed in Sections 1, 2, and 3, for their destruction or alteration. Second, inspectors will verify that all items identified in Sections 1, 2, and 3, have been destroyed or altered. Finally, inspectors will ensure that all the items identified and verified have all been destroyed or altered to the satisfaction of all inspecting parties. Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Federation, through the Privy Council. *
5 ) The end of Nuclear Weapon Programs never again to be restarted, in the nations of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
6 ) Humanitarian Aid and Reparations for those who suffered and are suffering because of the Nuclear Strikes, from Dyelli Beybi and Axe Wielding Maniacs.
i ) Reperations have been agreed between the states of Dyelli Beybi and Axe Wielding Manicas. Any disagreements about payments shall be arbitrated by only those parties directly involved. *
ii ) Humanitarian Aid shall only cover the decontamination, feeding, and healthcare of those affected by the Nuclear Strikes. A cap of three trillion krondors and five years shall be set for all humantarian aid from the UTP and the Federation. The Imperium shall submit a census of all individuals living in the fall out area, and any treatment, food supplies, or decontamination each person receives. An update on these individuals shall be provided each year with the services rendered for payment. *
7 ) 60% Disarmament of the Navy of the nation of Dyelli Beybi, previously agreed upon by Dyelli Beybi and Drakonia. Disarmament will be carried out immediately and only be maintained for a limited ammount of time. *
8 ) 10% Disarmament of all Military Services of the nation of Axe Wielding Maniacs, previously agreed upon by Axe Weilding Maniacs and Drakonia. Disarmament will only be carried out immediately and be maintained for a limited ammount of time. *
Article II
The Drakonian Imperium guarantees:
1 ) The updated status of Peace between the Drakonian Imperium, the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast. *
2 ) The current Missile Defense Technology used by Drakonia to defend against Nuclear Missile Strikes, including but not limited to: Anti-Missile Missile Batteries, Missile Guidance Jammers, and Missile Tracking Equipment, to the states of the Federated Klatchian Coast.
3 ) Never again will the nation of Drakonian Imperium restart a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapon Programs.
4 ) Inspection of Drakonian will be carried out by one initial inspection to ensure that the Imperium is free from Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Weapons. Further inspections will be limited to the courtesy of the Imperium. Inspections are to be carried out via Emirate, Klatchian, and Neutral Parties. *
5 ) The immediate withdrawal of all Naval Forces from near Klatchian Waters. *
Article III
The United Emirates and Federated Klatchian Coast agree to:
1 ) A full Non-Aggression Pact between the the sovereign Federated Klatchian Coast and the United Emirates, which will protect each entity from interference and invasion from the other. Either side (The UE and the FKC) will inform the other if and when they believe a violation of the treaty has occurred and agree to resolve the dispute quickly and to the satisfaction of both sides. *
2 ) Ensure peace between the United Emirates and the Federated Klatchian Coast.
3A ) Any and all Elves and/or citizens, and/or those that claim relations and/or kinship with the nations of the United Emirates residing in the Federated Klatchian Coast shall be treated with respect, no differently than Humans within the Federation, and as they would within the borders of their home nations.*
3B ) Any and all citizens, and/or those that claim relations and/or kinship with the Federated Klatchian Coast residing within the nations of the United Emirates shall be accorded the same respect as if they resided within Klatch.*
Definition of Terms:
The terms "Klatch", "Federation", and the acronym "FKC" shall refer to the Federated Klatchian Coast, as a whole. This includes, but not necessarily limited to, the states of Dyelli Beybi, Fasta Benj, and Axe Wielding Maniacs. While the term, "Klatchian" will refer to those citizens of the Federated Klatchian Coast and of that nationality and ethnicity, as a whole. *
The acronym "JDF", shall refer to the Joint Defense Force and The Privy Council of the Federated Klatchian Coast, which are the governing bodies thereof. *
The term "United Emirates" and the acronym "UE" shall refer to the United Emirates alliance. The United Emirates is an imperialist alliance which includes members that are not only found within the United Emirates region but also members that may be in different regions. While the term, "Emirate" shall refer to citizens of any Emirate nation and of those nationalities and ethnicity. *
The terms the "Drakonian Imperium", "the Imperium", and "Drakonia" shall refer to the Drakonian Imperium, which is the current Chair of the United Emirate Leadership Council. While the term, "Drakonian" will refer to those citizens of the Imperium and of that nationality and ethinicity. *
The term "Neutral" and "Neutral Party", shall refer to a nation, agreed to by both the United Emirates and The Federated Klatchian Coast, which has no interests whatsoever in either side. *
The term "Peace", shall be defined as: An end to armed conflict and cessation of hostilities between to parties. In this case, these parties include the entire United Emirates alliance and the entire Federated Klatchian Coast. *
After reading the document carefully and seeing no loopholes, Orith waved to one of his aides. The man approached, carrying a rather ornate and large box. He opened it with a flourish and inside three large stamps could be seen. Made of wood and inlaid with gold, and fashioned in such a way that either a flipper or human hand could wield it, Orith, with a dexterity belying his size, grasped the smallest stamp.
Then, something caught his eye...
no differently than Humans within the Federation, and as they would within the borders of their home nations.*
Slowly, he spoke.
"Any 'elves' are to be treated the same as humans in the FKC. Just because Menelmacar may treat 'elves' wonderfully in her lands does not mean we have to. No special rights shall be given in these accords. Or else we should drop Article III Sections 3A and 3B. Honestly, if our citizens are in your lands they have to obey your laws and not be above it because they are treated nicely in their own lands. No exceptions. And I note that Menelmacar has still refused to send a representative to these talks.
Or we could possibly agree that if either a citizen of the UE within the FKC or visa versa break a major law that those found responsible would be deported and permanently banned from entering the host country.
Drakonian Imperium
29-04-2004, 19:48
"I think you misjudge the benefits of the economic proposal presents," Diana finally replied. "You've shown us here that Klatch is one nation, it is now how the Drakonian people view Klatch. As one. And they hold Klatch, all of Klatch, responsible for their suffering. They hate your nation for it. That is not the same hate your people feal for us. You hate us for meddling, we hate you for murdering." She paused to let her harsh words sink in. "The benefits and assurance it would offer economically aside, increased trade and contact would help my people see yours as something other than the heartless monsters, we've disproven here your not."
Even though Diana herself still hated the Klatchians for the loss of her brother, even though she herself still considered them "heartless monsters", her words were passionate, reaching for a dream of humanity impossible, but always worth the reach. She hated them, considered them amoral, heartless, murders, yet she was Drakonian and that meant overcoming hate, whether in fighting a dictator or in battling one's own opinions. She had lied, but her lie became truth when the words left her mouth. There was hope. There is always hope.
Even if she fealt hopeless. "Nevertheless, if you wish it forgotten." Diana waved her hand dramatically. "It is forgotten.
"On this other matter," Diana continued. "It would seem, a rewording is in order." She considered carefully just how it should be changed to satisfy all.
"I think you misjudge the benefits of the economic proposal presents," Diana finally replied. "You've shown us here that Klatch is one nation, it is now how the Drakonian people view Klatch. As one. And they hold Klatch, all of Klatch, responsible for their suffering. They hate your nation for it. That is not the same hate your people feal for us. You hate us for meddling, we hate you for murdering." She paused to let her harsh words sink in. "The benefits and assurance it would offer economically aside, increased trade and contact would help my people see yours as something other than the heartless monsters, we've disproven here your not."
Even though Diana herself still hated the Klatchians for the loss of her brother, even though she herself still considered them "heartless monsters", her words were passionate, reaching for a dream of humanity impossible, but always worth the reach. She hated them, considered them amoral, heartless, murders, yet she was Drakonian and that meant overcoming hate, whether in fighting a dictator or in battling one's own opinions. She had lied, but her lie became truth when the words left her mouth. There was hope. There is always hope.
Even if she fealt hopeless. "Nevertheless, if you wish it forgotten." Diana waved her hand dramatically. "It is forgotten.
"On this other matter," Diana continued. "It would seem, a rewording is in order." She considered carefully just how it should be changed to satisfy all.
A soft growl came from Orith at the words "heartless monsters". And to think they still don't see anything wrong with launching ICBMs no matter what the payload. I wonder if I can give awards for being the most stupid. he thought. Unexpectedly, he chuckled at the end of Diana's little speech. Then he replied.
"Yes, let us forget trade for now, shall we? Good. And yes, for the last part it would be preferable to drop that silly ammendment all together. I warned you that it would be a further obstacle to wrapping this up. And I was proven right."
A dismissive wave.
"How about something like this. Any extra-national, in this case a citizen of the FKC residing in the UE or an UE citizen residing within the FKC, is subject to the laws of the land that they currently reside in. However, the extra-national will be given the right to a liaison officer (who will have a working knowledge of both languages - depending on the circumstances) to explain the rights and laws of the host country. Depending on the seriousness of the crime, deportation and a permanent banning may be sanctioned by the host authorities. However, the host country's laws shall have final authority."
Orith let the last sentence sink in before he continued.
"In other words, when you visit either land, you should know beforehand what you are getting yourself into. Ignorance will not be a valid defense. We will not grant extra-territoriality. That is, a citizen of the UE residing within the FKC will not be subject to UE laws, but rather FKC laws. And as far as I know, the FKC hasn't signed any universal declaration or part of any supra-national body regarding international law."
OOC: Really, I have no desire to start tacking on laws related to expats or dealing with extra-territoriality and issues of sovereignty. It's enough of a headache in real-life.
Drakonian Imperium
11-05-2004, 07:53
Diana wanted to say that the Imperium had reservations about bringing the whole United Emirates into the negotiations. She had tried to make clear that they would have their own agenda, not just Drakonians. She choked back the, "I told you so," and responded more diplomaticly.
"My apologies," she said. "We meant to imply that citizens would have to abide by the law of the land, not of their own land.
"The liaison officer is a good idea and I think they will need to aide local officials in punishment, but I think the worst punishment allowed in the host country should be deportation home to face trial for their crimes, banning should also be part of that, if necessary. Lesser crimes should be punished accordingly, but we don't want some capital punishment case causing an international incident."
OOC: My bad. Not what I meant to imply.
Diana wanted to say that the Imperium had reservations about bringing the whole United Emirates into the negotiations. She had tried to make clear that they would have their own agenda, not just Drakonians. She choked back the, "I told you so," and responded more diplomaticly.
"My apologies," she said. "We meant to imply that citizens would have to abide by the law of the land, not of their own land.
"The liaison officer is a good idea and I think they will need to aide local officials in punishment, but I think the worst punishment allowed in the host country should be deportation home to face trial for their crimes, banning should also be part of that, if necessary. Lesser crimes should be punished accordingly, but we don't want some capital punishment case causing an international incident."
OOC: My bad. Not what I meant to imply.
OOC: Nah, I'm pretty sure I know what you mean here.
IC:
Orith just looked at Diana.
"I don't think the liaison officer should be entitled to aid in punishment. Just to translate and offer their own candid opinion in regards to the law, since the liaison officer is not a lawyer. And if you want to avoid international incidents, then you ought to make sure that your citizens that enter the FKC behave themselves. Things such as deportation and other expenses will be paid by either the private citizen himself or his government. We will make sure that a copy of the laws pertaining to visitors is provided and updated regularly, along with a packet explaining our cultural differences. Still, if a Drakonian murders a Vrakian, you cannot expect a mere deportation. I guarantee that. And I use this example for merely illustrative purposes."
His eyes rolled over to his Alconian counterpart as he lazily drawled out,
"What say you, Landgravine?"
OOC: Really, I view this more like the Korean armistice of 1953 in which both sides didn't even speak or exchange a handshake with eachother as they signed the final treaty, rather than this.
Alcona and Hubris
12-05-2004, 00:17
((OOC: Tis Elizabeth and not Victoria at the table...so Markgravine...))
Elizabeth nodded. "I think that our respective citizens will find travelling within some parts of the Klatch particularly hazardous. As such I think that a consulate for all of the UE located in Port Olympus would be able to inform their citizenry of where to go and the particular variances of the law in those provinces. Alconians do not enter either LOW or Durakus without trepidation, knowing that the death penalty is used with great frequency."
She tilts her head slightly to one side...
"Which is the real problem here...value systems within the Klatch vary drasticly that I'd recommend foreign citizens remain in areas that cater to them or Provinces that are not as closed as some of the other societies. And we haven't even considered the fauna yet. Since your citizens would not be allowed to carry arms...it would be suicide for them to be in the central or northern Klatch without a guide. To do otherwise would be suicide..."
She shakes her head,
"Besides the Port Olympus diplomatic delegation, none of this would be contained in the treaty. I just wish to illustrate out how useful an embassy familiar with Klatchian laws and conditions would be."
OOC: Really my citizens don't go running about the Klatch...and we're allowed some places others are not (L.O.W, and Durakus for example...) Although I can see why your government would want to protect your citizens (and your spys) the whole nature of the Klatch is such that the fauna itself is as dangerous as being decapitated and recycled for Jaywalking (Durakus). I mean there are some places that my citizens routinely carry basdardized claymore mines for safety...
Drakonian Imperium
12-05-2004, 05:49
Diana thought for a minute. "I do not think in all the time Drakonia has had contact with Klatch we've ever lifted our travel advisory."
Idle fact aside she continued. "That seems the best solution. Still I am particularly concerned about possible incidents. Drakonia does not limit the travel of it's citizenry and we do not want one of them spread across the world for being eviserated for jaywalking. Something like that would require a particularly strong response. The safety of Drakonian citizens is of paramount concern, just below their freedom.
"But unfortunately, I do not see many alternatives. I suppose a consulate or embassy would be best for both sides. Although, multiple consulates or embassies would be required if Klatch wishes them in Drakonian and the other independent Emirate nations. Multiple ones would probably even be required in the different Protectorates of the Imperium as well. Yet, still that seems the best solution."
She sighed. "There is still the Elven Protection Issue. Menelmacar has made it clear to myself and the other Emirate representatives that they will not budge. I do hope there is some compromise we can reach on that issue."
Orith replied,
"Menelmacar is part of the UE, yes? Then the treatment of elves will be subject to the treatment of any other UE citizen within the Klatch itself subject to what we've been discussing, and shall not get any other special treatment. Extra-territoriality or any other form of special treatment will not be granted for elves. Really Diana, do you expect any walruses that are found within UE territories to be granted special status just by virture they are walruses? It is clear to me that Menelmacar chooses not to send a delegate because they know their position would be ripped to shreds in a sound, logical argument."
A pause.
"Finally, as I said earlier, if you want to avoid any possible incident, then be mindful to inform them where 'safe' areas are - and to behave themselves. Strange as this may seem, not all foreign countries desire to be molded into your image. Certainly, it may be your wonderful right to travel anywhere you want, but do you think that still holds true if you decide to venture into a bad neighborhood? Personal safety outweighs freedom of movement in some places. Not all of the Klatch is a friendly place. Perhaps you should take a look at our ecology section."
edit: removed the double negative.
Alcona and Hubris
12-05-2004, 19:04
bloody goddess wannabee
"If Menelmacar want's to put elves above all other's in the Klatch she can damn well try..."
Orith also looked at the Tersanctians and said,
"Surely you can appreciate our position, Mr. Stewart, regarding this whole 'elven clause'."
Then he leaned over to Elizabeth and quietly mumbled,
"Sorry about the mistake. That vodka must of really mixed me up."
OOC: How about a little break from the actual negotiations and each rep at the Accords (Drakonia, Tersanctus, Alcona and Hubris, and myself) make a brief statement to the press? We could even have people ask some questions. This of course means that outsiders do not of the actual proceedings going on.
As well, and this is strictly OOC, we could have a side bet going on. What will finish first? This thread or the birth of my second son (due in mid-July)? Any takers?
Tersanctus
20-05-2004, 08:57
Patrick looked at The Klatchian Representative and nodded.
"Quite frankly...and I have spoken with the Executor, so I speak for Tersanctus when I say this." he paused, clearly thinking about whether he should say it or not.
"The hell with Menelmacar. The hell with Lady Sirithil." he said sternly.
"She cares as much about the Innocent Drakonians thats passed in the Holocaust, as much as you do. But at least the FKC is here. At least the FKC set up a fund to releive the familes of the Victims."
He looked at Diana, knowing full well that his words were harsh too her, as she lost a brother in the attack. But at the same time he knew that the logic of it, rang true.
"I dont give a damn about any nations policies to elves in any nation, be it UE or FKC. And I dont see what the hell the treatment of them has too do with these accords."
"Diana, Im sorry if this capitualtes our position in this area. I am truly sorry for the victims loss. But goddamn it, lets finish this. Lets finish this and go home. Lets sign the damn treaty, the FKC and the UE will not attack each other again, we are both reasonable enough..."
Patrick sat down,....he was tired....so tired.
Drakonian Imperium
03-06-2004, 02:00
Diana responded to the Alconan Representatives' statements first. "Menelmacar could careless about Klatch. They are only protecting their own interests. This does not place Elves above humans. It simply assures civil rights for Elves that are not citizens of any Emirate nation. That is why they are trying to add this clause."
"I do not see the problem," she stated plainly. "Especially, since you already agreed to it earlier."
Know this would not change anything, Diana decided to do some further explaining of the Menelmacari position. "Menelmacar, is one of a select few nation that are part of the upper echelon of the United Emirates. That is the Leadership Council, and being a part of that council, they as well as the other Emirate nations represented here, have 'Veto' power. So their conditioning official Emirate involvement in these Accords to ensure that interest is not against their authority in the Emirates."
She ended in practically an ultimatum. "The bulk of the United Emirates could care less about Klatch. They won't go to war, should these negotiations fail, and instead they will likely continue to ignore Klatch entirely. The Imperium, however, will not. If we are at an impasse, and should it be impossible (because of the Menelmacari Condition) to conclude these negotiation, I see the only option to be Emirate withdrawal from these negotiations. As the Emirates gain nothing, but assured safety from war, and limited assurances of citizen protection in Klatch, this will not change their current status toward Klatch and therefore be no loss on either part. If the Emirates (as a group) do withdraw, Drakonia will stay at the table and try to conclude personal negotiations between our two nations, the Federation and the Imperium. Otherwise, all this has been a waste and we are done!"
Alcona and Hubris
03-06-2004, 17:41
"The fact that the UE appears to be controlled by Sithirl from her safe little position within the ToY seems a bit degrading to the postion of all other members of your alliance. Nor do we take for granted the peaceful sentiments of your fellow members. No, they could easily be your proxy." The Markgravine turned back to the page, the comment from Patrick had helped calm her down.
"The problem here is the wording could be misconstrude to give Klatchian Elven Citizens more rights than their human counterparts. Which would only flame anti-elven sentiments." She looked across the table. So I propose that we rewrite the offending lanquage to be..."
She shoves a hastily written slip of paper across the table,
3A) Any and all Elves and half-Elves shall be treated no differently than Humans within the Federation Territory and by Federation States.
3B) Citizens from within the nations of the United Emirates residing in the Federated Klatchian Coast shall be treated as they would within the borders of their home nations. Understanding that they must obey the laws of the Federation States they are in, and may be punished under accoundance of those laws.
"Now those clauses would be far more acceptable than the current clause of 3A. Which is just mess and will lead to a feild day of legal arguments."
Drakonian Imperium
04-06-2004, 19:13
"I assure you, the United Emirates our in no way controlled by either Sirithil, Menelmacar, or Elves, other than that she is a member of our Leadership Council," Diana replied strongly. "You may remember I informed you that the Imperium (also a member of the Leadership Council) voted against Emirate involvement in these accords. I made no secret of that fact. We were overruled by the entire council, excepting one absent member. That includes Tersanctus and Revenia."
The comment about "Proxy" had only further insulted the Drakonia. To suggest such underhanded tactics was an open insult of their honor, and their nations. Diana was quickly thinking open war was a much more appropriate option than negotiation. It was apparent that there was no trust in the room, between either parties (the insulting comment had only further removed any of the Drakonian's trust). War would at least accomplish more.
"I still don't like them. They still seem very broad to me," Diana replied frankly about the latest version of the Klatchian Addition. "However, I will have them present with a representative of Menelmacar to see if they are satisfactory." She shuffled them off to her assistant would disappeared from the room to make the transmission.
Alcona and Hubris
04-06-2004, 19:44
"The rights of citizens across the Klatch varies. Or have you decided that it is your place to decide the rights of all people all over the world? An Imperium Universalis, no the reason they are broad is because they must be broad so as not to violate our consitituion. It makes no sense for us to sign a treaty that our High Court throws out in four months because it violates the Klatchian Constitution does it?"
They don't trust us, we don't trust them. The question is are the stupid enough to think that non-agression is based on trust, or just mutally assured slaughter that makes even less sense went through the Markgravines brain.
Orith watched the exchange between Diana and the Markgravine with amusement. Then he said,
"Ah, so Menelmacar has veto power in the UE leadership? Most...interesting. And you claim not to be controlled by them? At least Tersanctus has the backbone to stand up to those elves."
A pause.
"If Menelmacar could care less about the Klatch then why the hold up? The reason why we want to include the UE and FKC included in the third article regarding a non-agression pact is, quite frankly, because it just wasn't yourselves that wanted to attack the Klatch. It also protects the UE. I'm not sure how many times I have to make this point."
He leaned forward.
"No elf, orc, pixie, walrus, human, or whatever shall have special rights above anyone else. That should be obvious by now. We wonder why you and Menelmacar can't understand that simple point yet. After all, we are so close to an agreement. Do you wonder why we think you are acting as Menelmacar's puppet? It's precisely because these accords are being held up over a damn elven clause which has no place in a disarmament treaty. Menelmacar's meddling to protect the elves are jeopardizing these entire accords. To use your own words 'they are only protecting their own interests'. Guess what? Their own interests are conflicting with the interests of peace."
Alcona and Hubris
05-06-2004, 03:16
The Markgravine looks about for a moment and then loudly proclaims. "The Royal House of Crawford will elevate any free born elf to a peerage within our nation and give them 10 million Krondors. Would that make Sithirl feel more inclined that we are not anti-elven even if we need to keep the definitions fairly broad."
Orith looked at the Markgravine then turned to the UE delegates. He rumbled,
"While the House of Crawford feels inclined to give these nuisance elves truckloads of money, we certainly shall not."
Alcona and Hubris
05-06-2004, 03:38
In High Vrakian the Markgravine smiles and slips a peice of paper to Orith...
Orith looked at the note. A smile and a small chuckle could be heard. He then scooped up the note and ate it. He then replied to the Markgravine:
Translated from Vrakian.
-Indeed, Markgravine. Indeed.
Drakonian Imperium
05-06-2004, 06:33
The Klatchian's Imperium Universalis comment was the final word on "negotiating" with Drakonia. The Imperium had offer negotiations out of courtesy, and due process of polite society between enlightened peoples, but if insult were all they would get for their courtesy, there was no reason to continue their end of the negotiations. To her knowledge, she was not insulting the Federated Klatchian Coast. Why should they insult the Imperium? Had they been wronged? Had their citizens been murdered? No, they had not. Not yet.
This time Diana did not respond to the arguements, for they had long sense closed their ears.
Her aide returned. "The reply from Menelmacar," he whispered as he handed over the paper to Diana. True to her word, she delivered the reply. "Menelmacar has replied," she informed those gathered. "And has agreed with the following modifications." She proceed to read them off.
3A) Any and all Elves, those that claim kinship with Elves shall be treated no differently than any and all humans within the Federation Territory and by Federation States.
3B) Citizens from within the nations of the United Emirates residing in the Federated Klatchian Coast shall be treated as they would within the borders of their home nations. Understanding that they must obey the laws of the Federation States they are in, and may be punished under accoundance of those laws, provided such laws do not discriminate upon the basis of race, ethnicity, nationality, culture, gender, creed, religion, or species and provided such laws allow for a free and fair trial as they would receive in their homelands, accounting for all aspects of due process, as well as excluding those protected under Diplomatic Immunity.
Diana have those a second to process the information and then added her own statements. "A definition of Diplomatic Immunity will then be need. I suggest the following for that: The term 'Diplomatic Immunity' shall refer to the exemption of all diplomatic staff serving in a foriegn nation from taxation and ordinary processes of law afforded to diplomatic personnel in a foreign country."
She again paused for effect. She had not forgotten the continued insults from the Klatchian, and the smile that crossed her face surprised everyone. It was like one of the great felines of the world ready to pounce on a small rodent. It was very out-of-character for Diana and very unexpected. "As for the Imperium, we guarentee only one thing. 'Never again will the nation of Drakonian Imperium restart a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapon Programs.'"
The smile changed to that of satifaction at the accomplishment of a hard task. "Good day, ladies, gentlemen." She nodded to her assistant, gave a polite nod to the Tersanctan and Drakonia's other allies, and they (the Drakonian Delegation) left.
Drakonian Imperium
05-06-2004, 06:44
Diana met one of the Praetorian Guard upon enter the Drakonians' Suites. "Has the General returned," she asked.
The Guardsman nodded. "He has, in a manner of speaking." The General had to be carried back to his room after his lively drinking with the Vrakian Major Urt.
Diana had suspected as much. "Is he in any mood to travel," she politely inquired.
The answer was not as she had hoped, even if it was as she had expected. "No, Ma'am. I do not believe so."
She sighed. "Very well then." Even if it wasn't. "Inform him, when he is able, that we leave in the morning."
"Yes, Ma'am." And retired tired, insulted, and agrivated wanting nothing more than to sleep and forget the entire matter. Forget the Klatchians' insult, forget their beligerance, forget the bickering, forget her brother. Forget it all.
"Most interesting," said Orith to the Markgravine, "I believe that Diana actually forgot to sign the treaty. And what of this:
...provided such laws do not discriminate upon the basis of race, ethnicity, nationality, culture, gender, creed, religion, or species and provided such laws allow for a free and fair trial as they would receive in their homelands, accounting for all aspects of due process, as well as excluding those protected under Diplomatic Immunity.
We have no problems with diplomatic immunity, since diplomatic immunity can be revoked by the host government, but we must make our own laws according to how we see fit. Another fine example of meddling I see. For murphy's sake, does national sovereignty mean nothing to these people? If a nation makes laws that most others dislike, then most other nations will merely steer a wide berth from them. Simple, eh? I still fail to realize why Menelmacar wants to include the elven clause in a disarmament treaty. Protect her own interests. Right."
A harumph.
"I must say that I am disappointed in Diana leaving in such a huff. You would think that a diplomat, especially a negotiator, would develop a thicker skin. But, what say you, Markgravine?"
OOC: Sorry Drak, I don't see you signing the accord. If you did, let me know.
Drakonian Imperium
05-06-2004, 18:59
"...unreseptive, insulting, and beligerant." Diana was giving her final report. "I advise we end the cease fire, immediately."
The man she was talking responded. "Unfortunately, that is not possible at the moment, as much as it is desirable and the popular thing to do. With recent tentions toward Arda and this whole Fyreheart/Ferrussia Crisis, we cannot. The fleets have already been redeployed. But we will, when this all dies down."
Diana understood, she knew the event that were quickly transpiring with the mad dictator in Fyreheart. War with Arda appeared inevitable. "I also advise that we veto the Accord, if they come to the United Emirate Senate, that is if the Non-Agression Pact is included. I told the Klatchian the only thing we would guarentee would be that we would never again have a Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapons program."
The man listened and agreed. "We won't, Jolené has made sure of that and I agree totally with her. We will veto the Accords, if as you say they include Emirate Non-Agression. Return home as soon as possible, your talents are needed where they can made a difference."
"I will, Augustus," Diana replied. "We leave in the morning. Evening."
"Good night." And then the conversation was over, she hung up the phone.
There was one last task she needed to attend to. A note was left for Tsume Draconis.
I am deeply sorry that these negotiations were able to accomplish nothing. We tried, but our two sides are too separated to agree on anything. Your aide in this matter is much appreciated and I hope this failure does not reflect on all the assistance you provided. Next time, I wish us to meet understand more favorable and promising circumstances. I wish as well this does not in any way hinder our relations. We still view the Immortal Shogunate as a great, intelligent, and honorable nation (if anything more so than before) and deeply hope in future to continue relations.
My most deepest appologies and regards,
Diana Minerva, Director of the Drakonian Diplomatic Corps.
OOC: I didn't...deliberately. Please note, all mention of the Fyreheart, Ferrussia, and Arda are from the past (although not as much as one would think, that one stagnated as well). They do not refer to current events, excepting of course this thread, which is in the past (according to my timeline).
Alcona and Hubris
05-06-2004, 19:37
The Markgravine turned to the Vrakian. "I'm afraid that they likely took the last statements of ours insulting. In truth, they have been trying to impose their moral code on us, which they see as universal. While we've been insulting towards them...The fact is it would have been a miracle to get these terms agreed upon. Our own code of ethics and morality are so diffrent. Oh, well...war it shall be...although what do they propose doing? Invading all of the Klatch to impose their moral code on us?"
She stands and shakes her head. "No, these talks were doomed the moment they sent that woman here. Like most Drakonians she is a foolish woman, they only demand and never really listen. Oh well, I think this will be my last attempt at diplomacy for awhile."
It is with a sad heart that we must inform the world that the Nekoa Bay Negotations have fallen appart. The reasons can be placed firmly upon the shoulders of all participants.
The Drakonians and Meneclemar for demanding that they impose morals upon Klatchian societies which are not their own. For placing at the head of their delegation a woman who had suffered a personal traumatic loss due to a Klatchian states over reaction.
The Klatchians for not better explaining their postions, and being insulting towards the opposing delegation.
Peace was killed by pride and arrogance. May God have Mercy upon the souls of those who will die because of it.
-His Grace, Alexander III, Grand Duke of the United Duchies.
Diane receives a small note before her departure:
As the bodies of our fighting men and women, Klatchian and Drakonian alike, remember their blood shall be upon our hands. And like lady Macbeth, we shall never be able to wash them clean, for we have condemed others to die for our own pride.
-Elizabeth Crawford
The Great Axis
05-06-2004, 19:41
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OOC: Do to your rude butting into a thread where you are clearly not wanted - you are ignored by us.
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IC:
Orith turned and remarked to the Markgravine as he gathered his belongings and send aides to collect other personnel.
"They never wanted peace. They only stalled and stalled. They want to impose their moral code upon our lands and then wonder why we won't cooperate. After all, we were willing to disarm but they had to stick in that damn elven clause. If that isn't a sign of being controlled by Menelmacar then I don't know what is."
A pause.
"Oh, I'm sure it just might turn into war. After all, Tersanctus is certainly eager. Drakonia is stupid enough to invade in the hopes of actually imposing their beliefs upon an unwilling populace. And they still can't understand the stupidity of launching conventional ICBMs. Those pakrahs will never get it, will they?"
He then made a futile gesture and said,
"Please excuse me Markgravine. I need to inform my government."
Orith then made his way to his aircraft where he then went into a certain room. The com officer punched in some numbers and then gave the AOK. Orith then typed out a message sent on a secure line:
[code:1:eca131a964]
Nekoa failed. Drakonian demands unsuitable. Menelmacari control over Drakonia and UE alliance more fully revealed. Will update fully upon arrival.
[/code:1:eca131a964]
Tersanctus
06-06-2004, 10:33
Patrick went too his room, and packed preparing too leave.
Twenty-three successful negotiations, and this is my greatest failure. He thought grimly too himself. He wondered if this wouldnt set forth the dogs of war. In truth, he hated war, and all that it stood for.
Unlike those dragon worshipping wankers at home he thought. Kungshaoism. He respected everyones beleifs....but the Templar had made a religion out of war. This would undoughtedly set them onto it.
And Drakonia...so easily swayed by the Goddess-wannabe, Lady Sirithil. He loved his Nation, and sister nation. But the failure here....was quite evident.
He thought of the Walri, and Markgravine Hubris.
One last drink He thought.
He picked up the Hotel Phone, and called the concierge to connect him too The Vrakian and Alconan Delegates rooms.
"Yes, hello? This is Stewart, of the Tersanctan Delgation....I was wondering if you would care to join me for a farewell drink, perhaps have at least one good note too leave on?"
OOC: We'll say Orith send the message after the drink.
IC:
As Orith was directing his staff, the call came in.
"Yes, I can meet with Mr. Stewart," replied Orith.
I wonder what this is about? he thought.
Tersanctus
06-06-2004, 11:56
Stewart met with Orith in the lounge in a secluded booth, and as they awaited there drinks, he looked at him with bags under his eyes.
"This is a very dissapointing day for all involved Im afraid. Further, it seems that this will snowball into a conflict in the near future it seems."
The Drinks arrived, Vodka.
Patrick thanked the waiter, and slipped him a 20 DD to get him to leave them in seclusion.
"And nothing I say or do, will change that with my people." he said depressedly.
"So, Im giving my resignation effective Immedeatley. Edmund will understand. Ive been a bloody Diplomat far too long. And I am in need of a Vacation....a very long one." he said sighing at the end.
He looked quizically at Orith.
"Tell me...how is the Weather in the FKC this time of year?"
Orith was taken aback. In all his years as a trained diplomat, he never had someone come out and basically say what Patrick was saying. Of course, the exact words were not used, but the implied meaning wasn't all that hard to divine.
With a slow intake of his breath, Orith replied,
"The FKC can be a most volatile region. But it is also a very good place for a vacation. I'm afraid Jiggady, for now at least, is not quite getting the tourists it once did. But the FKC is...vast, allowing a person to seek their fortune, especially one of ability."
Dyelli Beybi
06-06-2004, 12:59
By now the news of the failure of the Nekoa Bay accords had reached Cyro, where politicians nodded knowingly to one another, it was bound to happen, right from day one they agreed.
Generally it excited little attention, there were negotiations underway for the addition of a fourth Republic to Dyelli Beybi, up in Northern Klatch. It was not a move that was entirely popular, some politicians were concerned it would undermine the voice of the Djel Valley in the Dyelli Beybian high parliament, a place long controlled by this particular Republic.
However it was not forgotten by the Cheka, somewhere in Benjia House it was being arranged for 30 live Crayfish and a bottle of absinthe to be delivered to Orith on his return to Klatch, with the simple message,
Commiserations for the failure of negotiations, we can't help but feel it isn't all bad though.
-The boys and girls from the Cheka
Alcona and Hubris
06-06-2004, 19:49
The Markgravine appeared at that moment. "Ah, here you two are...the bellboy forgot to give me the note at first...seems my underwear was overwhelming, as was my swordsman's response." She sat down next to Orith and looked at Patrick. "Well might I suggest Phair City in Cawahaba? It's quite nice this time of year, and King's College has been needing some new blood in international relations department."
She smiled, "You never know when opportunity will give you a chance to change the world, perhaps even a second chance for peace."
Orith looked at Patrick and the Markgravine.
"Then, we had best go now. The day is long."
Tersanctus
08-06-2004, 11:05
"That it will be." Patrick sighed heavily.
"I do hope that peace can be found. But it would seem, that these accords, has awoken a sleeping giant."
Drakonian Imperium
09-06-2004, 04:22
General Derek Long was not his usual cheerful obnoxious self in the morning, he was abnormally brooding and quiet. Probably in regards to the sizable headache plaguing his head, the horrible side effect of too many Strange Devils. He did however seemed to be in a listening mood, as talking only made his head hurt worse.
So surprisingly Diana talked. "A diplomat...is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip." Diana was not satisfied with the outcome of the negotiations, and with good reason. They had failed.
"Caskie Stinnett." Derek Long identified the quote. He didn't say anything else. Just let Diana talk, as it would help her feel better.
"That almost describes these negotiations," she continued. "And to tell you the truth, General." Diana looked tired as she spoke, very tired. "I don't think there ever was any hope. I think both sides were just looking for one good excuse to trash the treaty. We still hate eachother and that's not likely to change."
"Humanity has a way of overcoming hate," the General replied simply. "And never letting go of hope."
Diana snorted, surprised by his comment. It was actually optimistic. She was shocked. She snorted again and continued walking.
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." This time it was Diana's turn to identify the quote. "Abba Eba," she replied correctly. "You exhausted all other alternatives, until it was apparent that peace was impossible. There is too much hate, but things change. They always change. Just give it time."
"It could take years," she replied, still down about the failure.
"Lifetimes." He didn't seem so optimistic anymore. "Only time will tell."
OOC: "FEE FIE FOH FUM! I SPELL THE BLOOD OF A KLATCHIAN!" Sorry couldn't resist.
OOC: "FEE FIE FOH FUM! I SPELL THE BLOOD OF A KLATCHIAN!" Sorry couldn't resist.
OOC: That's it. I'm going to take away your copy of Jack and the Beanstalk. Expect a reading list shortly.
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