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"Gentlemen PLEASE!"

Toitovna was growing increasingly annoyed at DarkSith's provoking of Auman, but wished the auman delegate could show a little restraint.

"It seems settled to me, we'll build on Minus One Island, just off the Mangalan coast. We can extend the mag-lev train across to the island and it actually will be a perfect setting. I'll speak with a cartographer from Sunset's planetary survey as soon as I am able."

Are there any OTHER issues we need to discuss?

(Such as, for example, the one Mangala isn't raising IC because they're trying to make people ignore it until later: VC votes)

(OOC: I've been re-reading the thread. Apparently either ADK or the former colony ADK Mars are present in the conference. I'd like it confirmed so we can address the matter of the ADK-Bajon conflict. Or at least, I think that if both events are coincidental at this point, it is strange no comments have been made. After all, here we have Bajon and ADK Mars on the same table. May be ADK simply forgot about this thread or, as he stated, ADK Mars is a different nation now and has nothing to offer to the discussions. As per the VC voting, I thought it was clear they had to have one vote, as anyone else. As many delegates they want, but just one vote. Though I think they are quite culturally homogeneous to need few delegates.)

(OOC: I've been re-reading the thread. Apparently either ADK or the former colony ADK Mars are present in the conference. I'd like it confirmed so we can address the matter of the ADK-Bajon conflict. Or at least, I think that if both events are coincidental at this point, it is strange no comments have been made. After all, here we have Bajon and ADK Mars on the same table. May be ADK simply forgot about this thread or, as he stated, ADK Mars is a different nation now and has nothing to offer to the discussions. As per the VC voting, I thought it was clear they had to have one vote, as anyone else. As many delegates they want, but just one vote. Though I think they are quite culturally homogeneous to need few delegates.)

OOC:

As Vascilia is a league of nations closely aligned with one another(like the EU) we are all still seperate nations. As a result, VC would not get a vote, but instead a section on the floor in which to voice their opinions. Twelve nations getting as much say as one? the idea is ridiculous.

an unofficial response to Darksiths goading...ADK Mars is the ally of Vascilia, not ADK Earth. Bajon, politically, politically is dead to us. We had a defensive alliance with that nation, and he betrayed it. So, as it seems, we are completely neutral in the conflict. Though I believe we will look into the situation and take a side when Martian interests are threatened.

Mangala would point out that if there are concerns about VC controlling a supermajority it should be noted that even if only 1/2 of the approximatly 28 nations on Mars or in Martian orbit joined the duma they would not have a majority, much less the 2/3 or 3/4 majority required for important matters within the Duma.

"I dont think you are really in a place to demand compromise. If you do not wish to listen to Mangala then you are welcome to leave. I think Mangala should take more of a hard stance...

If you dont want the Duma to be built in Mangala, then you are free to leave. That is my opinion anyway...if you aren't willing to come to this great nation in the name of peace then what are you doing here?"

OOC:

Christ...it doesn't matter where the damn thing is, it only matters if you show up. Quit your hardlining Pilon, you cant bully everyone.

"So you're saying that we have to do as you and Mangala want because they are hosting this peace conference? We all have things to gain from this and we are trying to be reasonable, all we ask is others do the same."

I must agree with VL's standpoint on this. If Vascilia League only gets one vote then MIDAS would only get one vote as well. However in order for all of those VL nations to get votes they will all need to sign the treaty. There are currently only 2 nations from Vascilia League here right now.

"You have a point speaker, a good one. Im sure the other delegates will be arriving soon." Zavier looked at his dataslate and a shocked look came across his face. "Auman would like to bring the attention of the council to the war between the 'State' of Bajon and the ADK. We need to discuss what would happen in the event of the war spilling over onto Martian soil...this is a possible threat to world peace."

OOC:

Vascilia won't allow an interstellar war to come to Mars...I hope you wont let it get that far either.

The Imperial Cartel of Noriegania has agreed to sign this treaty for the behalf of the Vascilian League

The Iron Fist of Vanyc stands behind the Vascilian League, signing the treaty as well.

OOC: I will note the treaty is not yet complete, but as long as Auman agrees to the final version I would assume the rest will as well.

IC:

"ADK's former Martian colony is independant from ADK as far as our intelligence is concerned. While some sympathizers may want to join the fight careful diplomacy will not draw the entire nation in.

Our current stance on the war is that unless either side uses weapons of mass destruction we will not intervene. Bajon is a member of GDODAD, and is quite capable of taking care of themselves while ADK seems quite content to be a punching bag. ADK has shown themselves willing to use mass devestation weapons in the past - but precautions are being taken as I would assume they are being taken by all other nations of Mars."

"Pilon, you have to behave when you are in Mangala...its only good manners. Its not good form to bully your host, dont you think?"

"I didn't see Pilon's remark as bullying. I'd say to the 'distinguished' Auman delegate to keep his attention to more imporant matters. For instance, it seems clear that the choice of site is either space-based or Mangala-based. No one disputes Mangala as the obvious choice for the ground based site. We cast our vote for a space station, but we will abide to the decision of the majority.
Respecting the Vascilian problem, I see it this way: either each Vascilian member has a vote that cannot be transferred to any other nation, thus the Duma not recognizing the Vascilian League as a legal structure, but a joint of nations in the style of MIDAS, or grant one vote and assign it to the Vascilian League as a whole, having as many delegates as they want, but just one vote. If someone has any alternative, I think we all would like to hear it."

(OOC: I have a little problem, well, actually a huge problem, that has been recently brought to my attention. The orbital structure I am building was intended as a terraforming tool, but I was made aware that it could be easily used as a weapon against Mars. So I think I have to bring under the authority of a transnational entity as the Duma or risk being branded the worst warmongering nation in Mars. But I am not sure now is the right moment to treat this, or just start talking to the terraforming nations about what can be done about it.)

Toitovna put a hand to her temple and counted to ten, then stood.

"While Mangala thanks Auman for their support, we would like to hope that we are capable of discussing the relative merits of the Duma's eventual location without taking Pilon or DarkSith's comments as a personal insult. Their points are valid, even if we disagree, and I was under the impression that the compromise suggested by Mangala was generally acceptable."

"Since it has come up, I would like to publically state that we agree with VC that the member nations of the VL should each get a vote and a delegation."

"DarkSith may agree with that, provided the votes are cast on a per nation basis. We will NOT tolerate block-voting. Any nation not voting, cannot delegate the vote. No nation can vote for another.

I will make myself even more clear with an example: Sunset will vote for Sunset, NOT for any other nation.

Either a nation votes for itself, or its vote is an abstention. If a nation finds a matter so unimportant that doesn't bother in bringing a proper representative, then we must understand that such nation doesn't have any interest on that subject and abstains."

With a beatific smile, Applebius sat again, knowing fully that every one present had mentally replaced Sunset with his intended target, Auman.

"Since it has come up, I would like to publically state that we agree with VC that the member nations of the VL should each get a vote and a delegation."

"Each one that signs the Accords, you mean. If they are not voting as one, they can't join as one."

Concerning the location I thought that the neutral location off the coast of Mangala sounded like a most reasonable compromise and I do not understand Auman's absolutist attitude in this matter. Concerning the Vascilian League I think that as Auman states, they are seperate nations and should therefore have to each individually sign the treaty when that time comes. Any who do not sign the treaty will not be allowed to vote on things. When the time to vote comes again they should each have to send a delegate and vote no block voting.

(OOC: Despite Aumans assurance that these other nations are people he knows rather than other countries it still seems rather suspicious to me but I'm not going to press the matter, if the Vascilian League wants to have the greater voting power they will have to each individually sign and vote, theres no other fair way to do it.)

We agree with the points made by Eniqcir and Pilon, as well as with Darksith in part. I see no reason for DarkSith's obvious baiting of the honorable delegate from Auman, and request as the host of this summit that DarkSith delegates refrain from continuing this pointless sniping. The point about nations not being able to delegate their votes is, however, an obviously correct one.

(OOC: I for one believe Auman, if only because of the obvious large difference in writing "style" between AF/Auman and Tannelorn. I have also looked at the VC regional board and it seems rather rediculous to think the Auman would write and reply to messages to him or herself just to keep up the charade. Let's not make this an ooc debate please)

(OOC: I for one believe Auman, if only because of the obvious large difference in writing "style" between AF/Auman and Tannelorn. I have also looked at the VC regional board and it seems rather rediculous to think the Auman would write and reply to messages to him or herself just to keep up the charade. Let's not make this an ooc debate please)

OOC:

Haha, yeah. Tannelorn has real bad grammar and spelling. I just have normally bad grammar and spelling. There are about 4 puppets in the VL, but only because some people decided to stop playing so we use them as a role playing device.

Stevotron, Hellespontos county, Escobarland and Sodomization may as well be puppets. Though the player who uses sodomization just goes on to use his to answer his issue's. I told the other players to not use the puppets to sign any accords or anything cause thats pretty lame.

The way I get them to respond quickly is by putting a link on the regional forum, or by just telling them to do it in person or on msn. Tannelorn is my brother and Beverage concerns is at my house daily so I just tell them to get on the computer and put their two cents in.

Zavier chuckled to himself, he knew full well what Darksith had been insinuating. "Why the Vascilian League has no intent to share votes...the idea is absurd. Sunset should be ashamed of himself!" The General blurted in a joking fashion, he laughed.

Arriving quite late himself, (mainly because he is not one for political based gatherings) a man wearing what seems to be a replica red "track suit" similar to the ones popular in the late 20th century. Acompanied by three other men, one of which points out the Aumon Delegate to the man in the track suit. Casually walking toward the Auman Representative, who he slaps on the the back, and extends his right arm toward the General, before the Auman General has time to comprehend what is happening. The track suit wearing man says "I am Senor Markos Noriega of Noriegania, I recived a message saying I should be here?"


ooc:
I dont RP much as you can tell by my number of posts, but I think I will more often now

The Goutaim Ambassador for Pilon looked over at the new arrival and scowled but said nothing.

Abruptly, some of the more important delegates of the Kajal Mars group got up, lead by the chairman.

"We are thankful that we were able to join the rest of our honored neighbors here today, but we regret that we cannot all remain. We have appointed members to remain to fulfill any duties that we would have, were Auman's "Peacekeeping" forces not killing Kajalan Civilians in the streets! We regret that we will not personally be able to see the end of these accords, but those appointed have the authority to sign for us."

The chairman glared at the delegate from Auman as he and his advisors made their way out. The Senate of Kajal Mars was convening shortly, to discuss such matters privately. The small contingent of delegates disappeared around the corner and into the hallways, headed towards the landing pad.

Meanwhile, the remaining Kajal Mars delegates had chosen a spokesperson.

"We apologize for the interruption, and sincerely hope that these accords will be fruitful. We regret that the others had to leave, however, their duties as elected officials require it."

Ferune chuckled. "That sounds like Auman's version of Peacekeeping to me."

"It truly is a regretful matter. We hope the situation resolves with the minimum bloodshed possible. Though we do not share borders, we stand ready to lend a hand in any way you need."

Toitovna stood with an air of finality.

Kajal has made an important point obvious, we all have important business elsewhere. This summit has been very sucessful and I think we are now in a position to put the accord to a vote. If no one is opposed, I motion we vote on this accord in one hour, to have time for final consultations with home governments."


OOC: Ok nothing else is being raised, we can amend this later but I think it's as good as we can get it for now. I'll send a few minor changes to Sunset to upload tomorrow, and we can vote then.

Ferune chuckled. "That sounds like Auman's version of Peacekeeping to me."

"Ah yes, and your version of Peace Keeping is what? standing around and not doing anything? yes, we really appreciate your help Pilon. But you and the people of your nation could never comprehend the difficulties involved in the operation." Zavier typed something into his dataslate and a film appeared on the main screen. "This is the helmet combat footage of the massacre in Kajal...from what you can see the troops are trying to disarm a roadside bomb. Later on a mob starts to arrive, shouting inflammatory statements at the men. If I fast forward a few minutes you will see the crowd becomes more agitated as the engineers arrive, they begin throwing debris at the troopers." as if on que the film shows a section commander get knocked unconcious by a brick, molotov cocktails begin to fall amongst the men. Leaderless the troopers panic and open fire into the crowd...obviously, in self defence.

"The situation was very intense in Kajal...our troops had been fired upon daily, the death toll was reaching the thousands. You can understand why the men would be anxious." Zavier seemed to realise something and looked down for a second. "Or wait...do any of you actually have combat experience? Honoured Pilonese delagate, have you ever seen combat sir?"

OOC:

Pilon's comments bug me...he didn't do anything at all to ease the situation in Kajal, and then of course he threatens the nation. If Kajal shot Auman with the lasers he wouldn't have heard the end of it!

As the delegates from Pilon and Auman got more agitated Toitovna threw a look at the security chief still lingering by the door, shaking her head. She turned and whispered to two aides, both of whom stood and moved towards other tables, one towards Auman, one towards Pilon.

"Excuse me sir, but this discussion might best be concluded elsewhere, and at a later date. We suggest you use this time to review your voting position on the accord."

OOC: This is not the place for this guys!

"I would suggest that we gather to sign in 1 week. We will have time to consider our final position as well as any possible changes or amendments we wish to present at that time.

OOC: Since this is a Accord I don't believe we need to vote, but we can to settle any last points in the language. If you check www.pacifier.com/~cziller the incomplete text is linked there and it will be updated as formatting and layout is finished.

Plug: Check out the Point Based Military Creator on the bottom of the page as well if you have Excell capabilities. It's v.5 Alpha or so, but I hope to get to Beta this weekend.

ooc: oh yeah, good point Sunset... no voting, just whoever signs. Also, that little excel thing you've set up is a FUN toy, I am wondering why my space forces are called infantry though... must be a decoy... lol

yeah...I cant get it to work, probably cause I dont have Excel :?

Plug: Check out the Point Based Military Creator on the bottom of the page as well if you have Excell capabilities. It's v.5 Alpha or so, but I hope to get to Beta this weekend.

I've got excel, but how do you USE this thing? :?

OOC: So off-topic but...

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4EB83149-91DA-4110-8595-4A960D3E1C7C&displaylang=en

This is an Excel viewer - it will let you look at the spreadsheet and manipulate it but not enter anything. Which means I need to add a population dropdown for those without excel.

I'll also include instructions on how to use it in the next upload (40minutes or so).

OOC:getting back to the Accords...

After reviewing the text provided Ferune nods in satisfaction.
Pilon signs the Accords.

Zavier, pleased with the majority of the proceedings signed the accord.

OOC:

Ok...so will you consider the Vascilian league to be in the accords with my signature or will they all have to sign? cause the majority of them aren't particularly active players...you really wouldn't have to worry about a massive "Super Majority" because most of the nations just answer issues and log out...you could say most Vascilians are isolationist.

While the Kajal Mars delegates were not exactly pleased with recent developments with Auman, the accords were acceptable. The delegation from Kajal, which had indeed travelled much further to attend, also found the accords acceptable.

Kajal signs the Accords for Kajal Mars, as Kajal Mars has been re-established as an Imperial asset.

Offical List of Signatory Nations (to be updated)

Mangala
Kajal Imperium / Kajal Mars
Auman
Pilon
Sunset
Melkor Unchained(?)
New AreAreBee


OOC: We still have to hammer out the details of the terraforming guidelines, but these ones are much looser... I suggest the first meeting of the Duma, Mangala will bring the matter up.

Auman: yes if each nation wants its own delegation to the duma they must sign individually.

"On behalf of Lord Melkor's Imperium, I request the honor of being Arda's representative in this body. We wish to establish a colony on mars in the near future, and would appreciate some sort of say in this government of sorts."

--Warlord Konrad Althalon

"We will sign."

"On behalf of Lord Melkor's Imperium, I request the honor of being Arda's representative in this body. We wish to establish a colony on mars in the near future, and would appreciate some sort of say in this government of sorts."

--Warlord Konrad Althalon

If the treaty is acceptable to you Pilon holds no objections to your signing it.

Darth Applebius, Minister for Alien Affairs and appointed Delegate for this conference, signs the Accords on DarkSith Mars behalf.

(OOC: Melky and Siri in Mars? dunno... Sounds like trouble.)

"(OOC: Melky and Siri in Mars? dunno... Sounds like trouble.)"

OOC:

Sounds interesting to me, Ive never had a chance to get involved in the conflicts between Menelmacar and Melkor. May'be I'll be able to mix it up! haha.

"New ArAreBee will of course sign this treaty. We look forward to an era of peace and prosperity on Mars. In addition, we also look forward to peaceful Arda-Mars relations, specifically trade, considering their highly developed industrial base."

With a grin of satisfaction Maya Toitovna moved to sign the accord. She felt exhilarated, all this work, all this effort, all of this time, it had all finally paid off. With the creation of the Duma there was renewed hope for a peaceful Mars. After signing Toitovna turned as ascended to the speaker's platform. She addressed the assembled delagates, her radiant smile lighting the room.

"Assembled friends. What we have done here today will usher in a new era of peace and stability on Mars. We may not always agree, indeed, I predict some debates will be particularly acrimonious, but I rememebr that every heated debate that occurs in the Duma is one less orbital battle, is one less dead civilian, is one less broken Martian family."

"It is my hope that the ideals expressed in this treaty will be upheld and honored by all those assembled today, and by all citizens of Mars, fortoday we are not from Mangala, or Sunset, Auman, or Pilon, or any one nation. We are all Martians, and what we do here we do for Mars! For MARS!"

Inside the room there was some applause, but outside in the streets of Mangala, under the pale sunrise of Mars, crowds watching the live MNN broadcast of the signing ceremony erupted in cheers. Fireworks flashed outside the tent dome and inside music was heard in the streets. The Council had declared the day a national day of celebration, and Mangalans had taken the idea to heart.

"I must consult my superiors, but it is likely that the Guilds will sign."

"The Imperial Province of Kasei will sign the document. It isn't perfect, but nothing ever is, and it seems to be quite good enough."

Uwe signed the treaty for Pilonia.

"(OOC: Melky and Siri in Mars? dunno... Sounds like trouble.)"

OOC:

Sounds interesting to me, Ive never had a chance to get involved in the conflicts between Menelmacar and Melkor. May'be I'll be able to mix it up! haha.

I'd like to see YOU between them. The whole Vascilian League doesn't stand a chance against any of them. If you get in the middle, you will end squashed like a bug, same as I. They are dangerous.

But the one that really scares me is Miss N. Siri will crush you without a second thought if you stand in her way, but Miss N might change her way just for you to be in the middle of it. And then she'll have a great time squashing you. Why? Because.

NOTE: This post is OOC.

NOTE 2: I hope Miss N doesn't notice ICly my existance. Ever. :shock: (I need a trembling-in-fear smilie)

"yes, yes, give me that...what do you call it again??? oh yes that...pen, so that i can sign this document and go home!!!!" The Tannelorn representative was barely finished signing, and had forgotten to return the pen as he and his entourage marched out the door.

[ooc: despite the fact that I dont have excel, and thus cannot veiew the document, my characters will just sign it anyway. to be terribly honest, Morgoth is probably planning on doing his own thing anyway. And its not like the Imperium and Menelmacar don't already have conflicting claims to space: we're both on Io already, for instance.]

"(OOC: Melky and Siri in Mars? dunno... Sounds like trouble.)"

OOC:

Sounds interesting to me, Ive never had a chance to get involved in the conflicts between Menelmacar and Melkor. May'be I'll be able to mix it up! haha.

I'd like to see YOU between them. The whole Vascilian League doesn't stand a chance against any of them. If you get in the middle, you will end squashed like a bug, same as I. They are dangerous.

But the one that really scares me is Miss N. Siri will crush you without a second thought if you stand in her way, but Miss N might change her way just for you to be in the middle of it. And then she'll have a great time squashing you. Why? Because.

NOTE: This post is OOC.

NOTE 2: I hope Miss N doesn't notice ICly my existance. Ever. :shock: (I need a trembling-in-fear smilie)


IC:

General Zavier couldn't help but feel the jubilation of Toitovna, he began to clap vigorously. Zavier typed something into his diplomatic command panel and a message flashed up on the main screen. "I think this calls for a party"

OOC:

Heres the deal buddy...Vascilia isn't exactly known for lurking in the shadows like cowards. We choose sides and we muck in...not for monetary gains but because its the right thing.

When things clear up and all the brave men are dead the coward will still be alive, yes, but he'll still be a loathsome wretch and in the end he will have no one left to protect him. They will notice you eventually and when they do you will be found wanting.

OOC note to melkor

The document is not in excel, that was an off-topic thing with Sunset.
The accord can be viewed here (html):
http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/mangalanaccords.html
or here(.doc):
http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/Mangalan_Accords.doc

Also, If you do not plan on bothering to abide by the terms of the accord, please do not sign it, as that would be somewhat pointless and disruptive. Of course you can if you wish, there's no IC reason for Mangala to stop you...

ooc: let him sign it and do his own thing, I doubt if even Melkor could withstand the united might of Mars attacking him.

OOC note to melkor

The document is not in excel, that was an off-topic thing with Sunset.
The accord can be viewed here (html):
http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/mangalanaccords.html
or here(.doc):
http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/Mangalan_Accords.doc

Also, If you do not plan on bothering to abide by the terms of the accord, please do not sign it, as that would be somewhat pointless and disruptive. Of course you can if you wish, there's no IC reason for Mangala to stop you...

[ooc: good god, my charater is the Lord of Darkness for crying out loud! But who knows. Mars may end up being just an offworld colony, I may not even use it in any sort of military capacity beyond nominal defenses and small garrisons. I've already got the Io Imperium and I dont need another massive military outpost to suck all my money away. You'll be safe. :wink: ]

(OOC: You can always arrange a parade in Vascilian territory. :) As for fighting Melkor, even with the whole of the Martian forces we'd be in serious trouble. And if Scolo builds a colony in Mars, we'll have three mods around here. Mars is starting to get as "civilized" as Earth.)

Menelmacar will sign the accords, though we wish for some revisions to the language regarding terraforming. As some of you know, Menelmacar has been planting extensive temperate rainforests and stands of mallorn across our territory for some time. These forests, among the most extensive yet on the surface of Carnil, are doing the bulk of the work in making the atmosphere breathable for the rest of us. Limiting further terraforming will hinder the project of making this a habitable world.

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(OOC: You can always arrange a parade in Vascilian territory. :) As for fighting Melkor, even with the whole of the Martian forces we'd be in serious trouble. And if Scolo builds a colony in Mars, we'll have three mods around here. Mars is starting to get as "civilized" as Earth.)
OOC:
Believe me...I would never be as foolish as the fellow who allowed Melkor to do that to him. I remember watching the footage of that event, the AF Government burned it and didn't show it to the public. So, as a result. Auman has no clue what Melkor can do.

But as a personal note...Im really uncomfortable with Melkor Unchained on Mars. The League will remain cautious in its dealings with both Menelmacar and Melkor Unchained.

The Imperium henceforth declares to the citizens of the planet Mars that the unmarked Bay to the north of Mangala now belongs to us. Anyone contesting this claim will be challenged in the field of war.

Colonists are preparing to depart

--Jay Reaven.

The Imperium henceforth declares to the citizens of the planet Mars that the unmarked Bay to the north of Mangala now belongs to us. Anyone contesting this claim will be challenged in the field of war.

Colonists are preparing to depart

--Jay Reaven.

OOC:

Which bay? are you claiming the area to the west or the east of the Mangalan canal? cause I already have the equipment in the area to the east of the canal. Lets hope that you claimed the western portion.

Un document intéressant en effet. Très bien - nous signerons.

Henri du Paix

OOC: As with Auman, I'm thinking "Which Bay/How Much of the surrounding land. After all, I'm the one who'll be updating the map. And I'm a perfectionist. ^_^;;

"The people of DarkSith Mars (snicker) welcomes Melkor Unchained to the territory formerly belonging (chuckle) to The Kinslayer. No contest on our part. Heh."

Thinking the channel offline, the Viceroy couldn't resist any more, and he fell laughing.

"Ha ha ha! Have at this, you Vascilians! Here goes your footing on the Northen Ocean. This is too rich! Unexpected, indeeed! Ha ha ha!" Notices the light on the video feed still on, and tries to sober himself, but only succeeds in getting to the disconnect button and push it.

(OOC: He said the bay, not part of the bay. That includes the vital opening of the Hellas Canal into the Northern Ocean. Still, having Melky around unsettles me a little. It might make things... too interesting for my tastes. I am surprised that Os Sanglants are signing, but I don't object. They are one of the most likely to be a subject of the Duma's attentions. A nation of Martian pirates? Fortunately they seem not to "work" at "home".:))

Within minutes of Melkor's announcement com sets began to beep through the Ministery of Defense. What to do, what to do?

The matter was taken to the Imperial Council immediatly, and soon Mangalan officials were on the line to MIDAS, VC, the ToY, TY Mars, and Menelmacar. Meanwhile the Minister of State was on the line to Melkor, asking about the canal mouth.

OOC: What does a nation do when they oppose another nation's expansion, but could not possibly defend themselves against them? Call some friends! This is basically an attempt by Mangala to figure out what to do. We may just bring the matter up in the Duma. We'll see. I can't be on much today, so don't go nuts on me while I'm gone.

Another note: To those nations with concerns about the terraforming sections of the accord; the issue will be brought up and the accord possibly amended at the first meeting of the Duma.

This can be discussed here: http://www.bbfree.com/NSMars/index.php?showforum=5

Newsblip: Wazzu Signs, Ratifies Mangalan Accords
by Sven Hannah, SNN Mars Bureau

In a suprise move today, Wazzu officially signed and ratified the Mangalan Accords. Wazzu, known for its paranoid protection of soverign rights, was not exptected to join the treaty which includes language potentially hindering this viewpoint. Wazzu government officials were unavailable for comment.

AUBC Newsflash:

"By executive order of Overlord Marduk himself, 500,000 fresh troops will be moved up the Mangalan Canal. These troops will be positioned in forward military positions to safeguard not only Vascilian interests but the interests of Mangala and all of Mars. We will not bare the oppression of the Dark Lord, never will we cower before the impotence of the weak one."

OOC:
The matter will be brought up in the Duma, my troops will not attack Melkor unless provoked.

These troops are to defend our eastern ports and the canal against agression from Melkor, the dark lord. All of Mars should be supportive of this mission...and contribute, its for the good of all Mars.

*NNNN*
Noriegania National News Network: Top Story

"In support of Overlord Marduk and Auman, Noriegania will dispatch the following to the frontline"

4th Standard Infantry Battalion - 250,000 units

5th Heavy Infantry Battalion - 250,000 units

7th Air Assault Battalion - 200,000 units
*this battalion will be deployed immediatley and help hold the Frontline (if confrontation arises) until the normal infantry arrive*

18th Heavy Armour Corps. - 600 Vehicles

3rd Regiment of the "Grey Coats" Special Forces Battalion - 3000 units

"The NNNN wishes the soldiers of the NNDF and their allies the best of luck against the Dark Lords forces and any other colonial aggression they may encounter in this campaign, for the Light of Vascilia!"

"So. Wanna talk about this or what?"

--Jay Reaven

"We will discuss this...in the Duma, which you and I are a member of. Don't think that your reputation can intimidate us. This is our "backyard" we have a right to put as many troops into the area to insure the protection of the Vascilian port authority"

-Lord General Alexandre Polosh.

OOC:

Were not only protecting our interests. But those of Mangala and the rest of Mars.

"We will discuss this...in the Duma, which you and I are a member of. Don't think that your reputation can intimidate us. This is our "backyard" we have a right to put as many troops into the area to insure the protection of the Vascilian port authority"

-Lord General Alexandre Polosh.

OOC:

Were not only protecting our interests. But those of Mangala and the rest of Mars.

"Sure. And I dont expect my reputation to intimidate you. You just think i do. If you want to take it to some blathering, ineffective institution, so be it. If we could make it quick, though, I'd appreciate it. Time is money."

--Jay Reaven

"I acknowledge the fact that you are trying to provoke us into some sort of action, the question we ask though. Why do you sign on to the Duma if you do not wish to take part in its proceedings? I say, if you want to end these unpleasantry's then do as you wish. But remember, there are 1.2 million of the Vascilian Leagues finest fighting men on that Canal..."

-Lord Genera Alexandre Polosh.

Excuse me? I havent signed it yet. How can I have signed this thing? Thee whole point was to get here first. We didn't really think there was anyone on this land, to be honest with you.

But the fact of the matter remains that we made the claim, and it's too late to turn back. One does not send half his fleets to a theatre and turn back.

But I digress. We will cease fire, but we ultimately will hold true to our claim. Since Auman's terrirotry is not on the map, we can't of course actually recognize it as a colony. So we'll continue to occupy it. Our marines are en route.

--Jay Reaven

But I digress. We will cease fire, but we ultimately will hold true to our claim. Since Auman's terrirotry is not on the map, we can't of course actually recognize it as a colony. So we'll continue to occupy it. Our marines are en route.

--Jay Reaven

(Assuming this is an open exchange...)
Perhaps Mr. Reaven would do well to note that a Melkorian claim isn't mapped, either.

But I digress. We will cease fire, but we ultimately will hold true to our claim. Since Auman's terrirotry is not on the map, we can't of course actually recognize it as a colony. So we'll continue to occupy it. Our marines are en route.

--Jay Reaven

(Assuming this is an open exchange...)
Perhaps Mr. Reaven would do well to note that a Melkorian claim isn't mapped, either.

Well, then we have equal claim. Auman already has land on Mars. I don't. If he doesnt want to give it up, we're more than willing to fight for it.

Aumans 500,000 troops waited in their defensive positions, waiting for the first sign of Melkorian aggression. If these marines were to appear, Vascilian troops would find them wanting.

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2 Divisions of Aumanii Armour had been waiting at the Port city of Gdansk, they were the reserves, the proverbial cavalry to ride in and save the day. If the Marines we to land, they would be the ones to crush them...beneath the treads of the greatest fighting formation in all the Vascilian League. Marduks own, the 211th Auman Armoured Division.

Gentlemen, before swords are drawn and blood spilt on the already stained ground of Mars... Let us consider a proposal and get some things in the open.

First a little history. The area in question was recently occupied by a nation known as The Kinslayer for actions in their past. Their government has been slowly losing power over the past 30 year until it finally ceased all pretenses of government. That has left us with approximately 1 billion refugees to deal with. As the government dissolved their holding were erased from the map - however they are still there. They are moving, slowly but surely to other friendly nations. There are a few holdouts who wish to remain on their land, but this will likely pass as their infrastructure breaks down.

Now some nations wish to extend their political boundaries around this unheld land - amoung them Mangala, Auman, New ArAreBee, and Kajal. Each has their reasons, and we should consider them in any deal brokered.

Mangala created the canal, at great expense, and thus I feel they have the most right to it and a zone on either side. Auman would like a inspection port, while Kajal and NRRB wish to expand their resource base into the area.

Enter Melkor Unchained. I have the feeling some information was lacking before they made this claim, or perhaps it would not have gone as far as it has. It is reasonable for a nation to seek to expand in the fullness of time to new areas so as to grow as a nation and people. This we well understand. But Mr. Reaven doubtlessly understands that this is a complex situation, one that will end up costing more money than it's worth if not handled delicately.

My suggestion, and I feel it is reasonable, is that if Melkor wishes to pursue this colony and avoid both hostile feelings and lost monies due to combat that he will confine his colony to the western area of the bay. Across from him occupying the eastern shore would be Auman, and then the Mangalan Canal Zone with it's boundaries.

All parties would gain from this - Melkor would gain access to the markets of Mars with no tariffs or closed borders, Mangala would gain the control of their Canal, and Auman would gain the port they desire. NRRB may wish to modify this - but that is the basics of our proposal."

Sample Map:
www.pacifier.com/~cziller/mapofmars2.jpg

A long overdue transmission comes from Earth. "This document seems of no use to us and will only restrict us in the future. Crimmond/Mizar 3 will not be signing the accords."

The 500,000 Standard and Heavy Norieganian Infantry waited in their defences in their section of the frontline, like a true comrade Senor Markos Noriega would not leave Overlord Marduk high and dry.


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The entire 18th Heavy Armour Corps. has joined Panzer Division Marduk, as the array of super heavy war machine's lay in wait for the first signs of aggression.

OOC: As this is the thread/topic for the Mangalan Accords, please keep all troop movements, ship deployments, and similar such things in the other thread.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101983

I don't see any reason to clutter up this one with anything except that which deals exclusively with the accords.

We agree to what Sunset has just said, though previously we asked for much less land, it seems appropriate that the Vascilian league maintains a large military commitment to the Northern mouth of the Canal...for obvious reasons. War does not need to come to Mars as long as Melkor agrees, Vascilia wishes good relations to come between our two leagues. But we will not shirk from conflict if it arises.

IC: The Nation of Nerdom has deemed the terms of the accord to be acceptable and signs it.

OOC: Sorry for the long delay, but this nation's leader, AKA Me, doesn't have the internet (don't ask) and the NS forums are bugged out most of the time.

We agree to what Sunset has just said, though previously we asked for much less land, it seems appropriate that the Vascilian league maintains a large military commitment to the Northern mouth of the Canal...for obvious reasons. War does not need to come to Mars as long as Melkor agrees, Vascilia wishes good relations to come between our two leagues. But we will not shirk from conflict if it arises.

Lies! Filth! Propaganda! Citizens of Mars, I bid you to ignore this rabid dog that calls itself Auman. He claims to want peace, then opens fire on my fleets not a day later!

Auman clearly instigated this conflict. By attacking Imperial assests before we had a chance to respond to this offer was an excersize in both futility and stupidity. Now we will be claiming the entirety of the Bay, as opposed to the chunk Sunset proposed.

Auman clearly instigated this conflict. By attacking Imperial assests before we had a chance to respond to this offer was an excersize in both futility and stupidity. Now we will be claiming the entirety of the Bay, as opposed to the chunk Sunset proposed.

"While Auman's actions may have been rash, they are not inexcusable. I believe the tactic is known as a preemptive strike. You deployed a hostile fleet. Auman simply acted to prevent that fleet from doing any damage before those you were threatening had time to respond."

Wazzu repeats its ultimatum once. The landing of Ardan troops on former Kinslayer soil will not be tolerated until the MIDAS Diplomatic Council has sufficient time to discuss the issue. Nor will attacks on Kinslayer or MIDAS soil be permitted. Violations will be considered an act of war.

-Dr. James Messer, Wazzu Minister of Diplomacy

The Nation of Pilon supports Melkor's claim to the area formerly occupied by Kinslayer, we would rather have Melkor there than Vascilian Nations like Auman or Tannelorn.

The Nation of Pilon supports Melkor's claim to the area formerly occupied by Kinslayer, we would rather have Melkor there than Vascilian Nations like Auman or Tannelorn.

General Zavier had stormed back into the Duma, beet red, fuming with anger. "Silence yourself Pilonian scoundrel! and you! you wretched excuse for a...what ever the hell you are. Your nation had been overt in its intentions to seize land that is not rightfully yours, by force if you had to. You are the propagandist...lying capitalist bastard!" Zavier had looked like he was going to run across the room and stab both the Melkorian delegate with his fountain pen...in fact, thats what he was thinking of doing before common sense kicked in.

The Nation of Pilon supports Melkor's claim to the area formerly occupied by Kinslayer, we would rather have Melkor there than Vascilian Nations like Auman or Tannelorn.

General Zavier had stormed back into the Duma, beet red, fuming with anger. "Silence yourself Pilonian scoundrel! and you! you wretched excuse for a...what ever the hell you are. Your nation had been overt in its intentions to seize land that is not rightfully yours, by force if you had to. You are the propagandist...lying capitalist bastard!" Zavier had looked like he was going to run across the room and stab both the Melkorian delegate with his fountain pen...in fact, thats what he was thinking of doing before common sense kicked in.

[ooc: I haven't sent a delegate to the Duma yet. we've had enough trouble getting on the planet in the first place.]

Wazzu repeats its ultimatum once. The landing of Ardan troops on former Kinslayer soil will not be tolerated until the MIDAS Diplomatic Council has sufficient time to discuss the issue. Nor will attacks on Kinslayer or MIDAS soil be permitted. Violations will be considered an act of war.

-Dr. James Messer, Wazzu Minister of Diplomacy

Dr. Messer: We don't think that will be a problem, as far as actually landing goes. We're tied up well enough up here in orbit, and the colonists have been returned to the mainland in exchange for more military units. Units that--come to think of it--will be arriving in Mars orbit in a painfully small abount of time.

However, it's ridiculous of you to state that we cannot initate attacks on the squatters on our land. We find this term unacceptable, for in order to claim our land, we must first rid it of resistance, yes?

We suggest, however, that MIDAS ultimately resolve to let us land, because once we clear this mess up, we will anyway.

--Jay Reaven

The Nation of Pilon supports Melkor's claim to the area formerly occupied by Kinslayer, we would rather have Melkor there than Vascilian Nations like Auman or Tannelorn.

General Zavier had stormed back into the Duma, beet red, fuming with anger. "Silence yourself Pilonian scoundrel! and you! you wretched excuse for a...what ever the hell you are. Your nation had been overt in its intentions to seize land that is not rightfully yours, by force if you had to. You are the propagandist...lying capitalist bastard!" Zavier had looked like he was going to run across the room and stab both the Melkorian delegate with his fountain pen...in fact, thats what he was thinking of doing before common sense kicked in.

[ooc: I haven't sent a delegate to the Duma yet. we've had enough trouble getting on the planet in the first place.]

duh...I was under the impression you were considering you were chatting with Pilon and such...oh well, just ignore the post then. Also, I'd like to say this. This seems like its gonna be a good role play.

People were talking about how you and Menelmacar dont like each other and that "One way or another you have already chosen sides" I honestly thought I was going to be pro-melkor...but it seems as though Ive sided with the faye ones.

Point is, this may prove to be interesting rp

[let's hope it is :wink: ]

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101983

go there for the rping of the conflict, this here thread is for the accords.

IC:
If anyone has noticed in the revelry, Maya Toitovna has left the building. Most assume she's gone to bed, after barely sleeping during the conference (She is over 200 years old, really long even by Mangalan standards). A select few know she was summoned to a meeting with the Imperial Council...

The delegate from Sunset is about to find out that she is no longer even on Mars...

The secure comunit on Sunset's table beeped, twice.

[Sunset knows what this is about, and can reply in the thread below]
http://www.bbfree.com/NSMars/index.php?showtopic=25

The colony of DLN Mars has come to a decision on the accords, at least. We wish to also sign, recognizing the importance of working together here, though expressing as Menelmacar does, a concern for possible re-wording of the actual document, finding it somewhat lacking as yet.

As for the current conflict concerning landgrabbing and the like, we wish to gather a bit more information concerning the history of the area and the nations involved before offering up a firm opinion. Being a newcomer to Mars, we feel it would not be prudent to do otherwise.

However, for the record, we wish to state that dealings between the Imperium and our mother country, the Dominion, have been cordial. That being the case, and considering that they do not seem in this instance to be the agressors, we tend to question the recent agression of Auman, seeing it as a rash and uneccessary act in an already delicate situation.

We urge all parties involved to have patience, and to continue along the lines of diplomacy as best they can, in the hopes that this can all be resolved as peacefully as possible.


http://home.mchsi.com/~ketri/wsb/links/cesare_calabrese.jpg
Cesare Calabrese - Governor, Dominion Mars Colony

The Nation of Pilon supports Melkor's claim to the area formerly occupied by Kinslayer, we would rather have Melkor there than Vascilian Nations like Auman or Tannelorn.

General Zavier had stormed back into the Duma, beet red, fuming with anger. "Silence yourself Pilonian scoundrel! and you! you wretched excuse for a...what ever the hell you are. Your nation had been overt in its intentions to seize land that is not rightfully yours, by force if you had to. You are the propagandist...lying capitalist bastard!" Zavier had looked like he was going to run across the room and stab both the Melkorian delegate with his fountain pen...in fact, thats what he was thinking of doing before common sense kicked in.

The Pilonese Delegate listened to the Auman delegate and laughed as he once again making a fool of himself by showing a lack of anger management and also a lakc of proper Diplomatic Etiquette. After the delegate was finished he calmly replied. "We consider your presence in northern Mars to be of equal threat to us as you considered our base in the Hellas Sea to be a threat to you. As that situation ended with the abandonment of our base we will stop at nothing less than preventing you from gaining a base in Northern Mars. Melkor has a legitamate right to claim unclaimed terriotry and if your nation's unwise actions had not provoked him we could have solved this situation diplomatically, after hes done destroying your fleet I hope to continue to solve this problem without any further bloodshed, damage to the Martian Ecosystem, or any substantial Economic losses.
As the territory claimed by Melkor was disputed however we support Sunset in their attempt to settle the matter without further violence and we encourage everyone to calm down and see what can be done in that direction."

"The people on that land are not squatters - they are people who have lost their unifying government. However as the land was not intended as a home and rather a place to orbit most have begun to move. There are a few who have thus far resisted all suggestion to move - but we are estimating these to be under 500,000 of the total population. Most of the people have left - gone to their friends in MIDAS and to other friendly nations or simply left to wander the stars again.

Thus the land is reasonably open for full inhabitation. But Melkor must realize that others have made a case for access to the land. If Melkor's intentions are purely economic, they will see the case for pursuing a peaceful settlement. Trade and growth will not happen if they sieze land without worry of the current inhabitants as the nations of Mars will not trade with them. Resources can be obtained in a number of places, but trade depends on positive relations with the nations around you.

This applies to all of us - not just Melkor."