NationStates Jolt Archive

The mood around the International Forum, in downtown Mangala was festive. People danced in the streets and music could be heard through the trees. Inside, a fanfare announced the entrance of the deputy Voice of the Council, Frank Terrel. He approached the speakers podium, and spoke:

"Citizens of Mangala who are gathered here today welcome. Citizens of Mars, who are viewing this broadcast across the planet, welcome as well, if only in spirit. It is my pleasure to announce, Nadia Toitovna, the Voice of the Imperial Council of Mangala!"

Another fanfare greeted the arrival of the Voice. She wore a perfect, ruby red dress and walked slowly, supported by a sapphire tipped cane. Her silver hair shone as if defying her age. Her piercing stare bore into the soul of each and every viewer. After a moment, she took a breath and began.

"People of Mars, I greet you today. I have devoted my life to serving the people of this planet, and of Mangala. I have watched as this country dealt rationally and with perfect neutrality in dozens of international incidents over more than one hundred years. I have see our efforts prevent bloodshed and strife, but I have also seen our efforts at keeping the peace fail, with ruinous consequences. I have seen nations driven to the edge by one another, for nothing. I have seen war destroy critical infrastructure, exposing nations to dangers they need not face; asteroids, floods, storms. I come before you now, with a plea for unity.

"As the recent incident involving Pilon's base in the Hellas Basin indicates, sometimes a seemingly tiny incident can bring this planet to the edge of civil war. This is simply not a situation that can be tolerated in the long term. Sooner or later one of these conflicts will slip out of control, and the consequences for the people of Mars will be dire.

"Friends, there is a better way. Mangala has drafted a treaty to create a planetary adjudicating body that can hear these conflicts and rule on a solution. [ http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/Mangalan_Accords.doc ]

"This body might not be perfect, it might not be infallible, but we have created a system we think will ensure that ALL nations are able to get, for lack of a better expression, a fair trial. Perhaps some conflicts can only be resolved through war, but even if that is the case the proposed body could limit the war to those nations directly involved, and eliminate the threat to Mars that these constant escalations force upon us all.

"I have dedicated my political life to improving the lives of the people of all Mars, not just Mangala. I now dedicate what time I have left to seeing this accord signed. From this day forward, Mr. Terrel will hold the position of Voice of the Imperial Council of Mangala. This I have asked of the Council and this they have granted. I am now only Nadia Toitovna, a common citizen of this Planet like all of you.

"I live, I dream, I hope. I hope for a better life for my grandchildren, and that some of what I have had to see they need not face. There need not be conflict on Mars between large nations and small ones, between the north and the south, between colonials and natives, between humans and elves or snel or RRBean, or any sentient lifeform.

"People of Mars, you are the lifeblood of your nations, you hold the power. Contact your governments, call to your rulers, let them hear the call all across the solar system that not another innocent need die because of one nation's arrogance, or pride, or confusion. The time is now, the opportunity is now. I ASK YOU NOW! IF YOU DO NOT STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT, WHO SHALL?!"

As The Voice's speech reached it's climax, her entire being seemed to be projected into the speech. The gathered crowd's cheer drowned out completely the small voice that announced, in several languages, that debate on the proposed accord would now begin in the main conference hall, and went on for some time.

[ooc: This is the Voice's defining moment. She will be calling in every favor she is owed to get this thing created.

so now we need feedback:
http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/Mangalan_Accords.doc ]

Everyone is welcome here in Mangala, please attend the summit. NO VIOLENCE. If you feel the situation is unravelling why not simply take a break and go barhopping through the city. Or take some drugs, or eat some candy, ANYTHING save crashing my best effort at global unity.

The new Voice of the Council will be returning to the Capitol to work on internal matters. Nadia Toitovna is greeting arriving diplomats.

President Edwin Smytheson greeted Ms. Toitovna with a handshake and a slight bow.

"It will be hard to break the habit of calling you the Voice, Ms. Toitovna. I have looked over the document, and while we have some minor points to address, the document is sound."

Toitovna's smile was dazzling. "Thank you Mr. Smytheson, I shall regard that as a personal compliment."

She added, in an undertone.

"Once this is all wrapped up, perhaps I will drop in on our friend Mr. Villanova, and pay him my respects."

"A vacation then? Sounds lovely. I've heard back from him of course - he has a nice place in the country. Open sky and all. I must say I'm envious."

Edwin moved aside - the two people behind him were being very patient.

"May I introduce my wife, Tathar, and Admiral Wick. They are the MIDAS Diplomatic Counsel and MIDAS Flag Command representatives respectively."

A female elf with blond hair who appears in her mid-thirties steps forward and shakes Toitovna's hand with a smile. She steps to the side, taking Edwin's hand, while Admiral Wick steps forward and shakes her hand.

"Delighted to meet you Ma'am."

As the Dimeldish Gunship Kuma 1 touched down on the available landing pad, the Dimeldish High Councilor Eliam J. R. Leinad stepped down off the menacing-looking aircraft's landing staircase.

His was a figure unforgettable: an imposing, but altogether warm-seeming man, he stands at 5'7" and wears a look of delight and peace upon his visage. Wearing his favorite casual dress of a beige corduroy jacket and slacks a slightly darker hue, both being of Dimeldish manufacture, he walked towards the delegates with great strides.

His demeanor was akin to that of an uncle one had not seen for some time, but always remembered as kind, sweet, and honorable.

Leinad greeted the ambassador with his usual, roar-like voice, dulled only by deference to the leader.

"Verahs katarr! Pleasant wishes, Madame Toitovna! It is a great thing that our two countries may meet and discuss the issues pending these times of our world. These are days of interest to all peoples, yours and mine included. It is a great honor to attend this convention. But we shall speak of these things later! Perhaps you might show me the local delicacies of Mangala before the talks begin, eh Madame Toitovna?"

He smiled, stretching a toothy grin from ear to ear, with teeth like a bear's and canines to match.

The Byblos made Aircraft lifted off from Quin Izumi Interstellar Airport in the heart of the Khristian League. Inside sat the delegates from the 5 nations that made up the Martian Confederation. The Khristian League, Toran Empire, the Qaalachovans, the Byblos Commune, and the Nomadic Clans. They were dedicated to peace, yet held animosity against one another. The aircraft had been divided into Pro-Vascilian and Anti-Vascilian. The Civil War had ended one month after it began, yet it left 2 million soldiers dead and 1.5 million civilians dead. A Confederacy that had included almost 75 nations was now down to 5. Another war on Mars would be the destruction of Mars undoubtedly.

Zona Tora looked out the window. She had been born on Mars 32 years ago and loved this planet dearly. Her long plantinuim hair flowed behind her and her blue eyes had a predatory look to them. How ironic, she thought, that we should attempt to pacify the god of War. She smiled to herself. The past few months had been very troubling for her, yet her nation was a superpower within the Martian Confederation, she had been head over all the Confederacy, not just the Empire. She sighed and sipped her Khristian vodka. 2096 was a good year for vodka... She sighed, for that was the year her great-great-great-great-grandfather, Micheal Tora, had died, and with him, ADK's hopes of winning the second war with Russian Forces. They'd be reaching Mangala soon. 50 delegates... God, this is going to be a long summit.

(OOC: Good call on using Robinson as a basis- but several of the conditions of the terraform have already been violated, and the datum line needs to be explicitly defined.)

A standard Eniqciri three-person electrogravitorcraft touched down a respectable distance away. From said craft proceeded a woman of about 5'8", blond hair, grey eyes, clad in a loose white dress with a golden belt forming a V at the waist, and, of course, the ever-present oxygen mask to avoid deadly concentrations of CO2 not yet removed.

She proceeded quickly to meet the other delegates. "Dala, Araphalu. Ta raí Araphalaí Royen. Serikats, hpotak. Ka'c Potakdetemiec Royen ac. Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. I am Lady Audrey Royen."

A sleek one person craft of Organic Composition moved slowly into Mangalan Airspace. After identifying itself as the Pilonese Diplomatic Courier Vessel Westover it moved to the location of the conference and set down lightly. There were no engines visible on the craft of any kind, it simply moved with a grace unknown in most mechanical craft.
After landing the ship opened up on the side to let out its passenger, a thin Goutaim by the name of Ferune. He moved forward to greet the Mangalan representatives who were there to meet him.
The Goutaim beared it teeth at them before raising its hands in Pilonese Greeting. "Greetings fellow Martians, I am the Pilonese representative for this meeting. I am not one to waste time so I will start off by telling you what I think of the treaty. We have no overall objections to the thing except for this: We have our own methods for deciding who represents Pilon in an international body, we choose our people based on their merits, not by drawing them out of a hat, this is unacceptable to us and we do not think the method for choosing a representative should be included in the treaty."

General Zavier had arrived almost a full day before the other representative, Via a ferry service that went between Auman and Mangala. He had taken in the sights, things that would have been unthought of in the old Anti-Funitist society. He had enjoyed what he had seen. "They allow Dancers in the street here!" exclaimed one of his aids. Zavier smiled, this would probably be the last time in his life that the boy would see such a flagrant display of self enjoyment. Since the founding of the Theocracy anything that could be considered the slightest bit entertaining had been outlawed in public.

Zavier and his staff were escorted to a hotel room by Mangalan officials, they stayed there and kept themselves entertained in the bar until the next morning.

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Early the next morning General Zavier was awakened by a pyrotechnic display that was taking place, apparently to mark the birth of the new day in the city, some sort of local custom that he had not yet become used to. He had gotten out of bed to find his uniform sprawled on a chair beside it. Black and Grey, the ceremonial colours of the AF...or is it the AU now. Zavier had always forgotten that his glorious homeland was no more.

The General had slipped on his uniform quickly, he had shaved and most imporantly brushed his teeth all in under 30 minutes. He made haste down to the garage where his staff were waiting for him, a black limosine was waiting for him, engine already on, ready to whisk him off to the proceedings. His orders were to make Aumans position known.

Peace is attainable, and we will work towards it.

OOC:

Honestly...I sick and tired of all this a fussin' and a feudin' all Vascilia has ever wanted was a safe border, thats what anyone would want.

OOC: Though I disagree with you I don't want to argue with you Auman, this is probably the best hope for peace Mars will ever see.

OOC: Though I disagree with you I don't want to argue with you Auman, this is probably the best hope for peace Mars will ever see.

What would you argue comrade? the fact that peace is attainable? this is OOC so Im going to say this candidly. You are they only thing preventing us from getting along with the world. In fact you and Sunset are the only real enemies of the League.

So what would you disagree with? the fact that we want peace? or that we want peace? there is nothing to disagree with comrade.

<tab for later>

swiisss-thwack! A dart impacted in Nadia Toitovna's nose.

Actually, in a picture of her. This picture was posted in a wall and it showed already two more darts, one embedded in one eye and the other having missed her altogeter.

swiisss-thwack!

Another dart hit the picture, this time hitting the other eye.

"So, we are to denounce this treaty and not be abide by it, Viceroy?"

swiisss-thwack! The dart missed not only the face of the Voice, but the picture altogether as the thrower was startled by the Minister for Foreign Affairs' remark.

"What? Of course not! In this case we cannot allow ourselves the luxury of ignoring this, as we did with all the other Martian treaties. This... case... deserves a Weapon of Mass Destruction. We must show clearly that these efforts will be dealt with strongly and without hesitation."

swiisss-thwack! The dart hit the Voice full in the throat, as if the hit remarked Darth Tempius decision. The Colony's Viceroy turned from the wall to look at the Minister, who had paled at the mention of WMDs.

"You are to lead a... delegation... for proper discussion of this... proposal..."

"No... you can't be serious... We've never stooped so low..."

"Yes, I am. I think that such a treaty deserves at least... hmmm... a thousand administrative members for discussing and clearing the finer points."

"You are barbaric!"

"I AM SITH! And so are you! You will lead them and drown this treaty in mindless bureaucratese. We will either sign a ten-thousand-page-long, useless document or leave with a head high when they won't admit our well-thought modifications. This planetary unity must not come to pass."

Tension rose between the men, Force ripples strong enough to be felt in all of the Palace. Finally, Darth Applebius bowed his head, acknowledging his duty. The Viceroy turned towards the wall and swiisss-thwack! this time the dart stuck between the portrait's eyes.

'We so far have started our examination of the text and have a few problems, the spirit appears acceptable but the wording needs closer examination.


Still we see no problems with attendence, Darvins shall make his way there directly, expect him within the day.'


The Vessel cut through the air soon after the transmission was sent, Darvins had his list of concerns but as stated they where concerned mostly with the wording and seemed simple enough to solve.

((OOC Time thingy this takes place after the Performance and before he returns to the Colony site in Sunsets Thread, if he returns, assume it a side trip.))

A hastily scribbled note passed from Toitovna's hand to an assistant as she continued to greet new arrivals.

"Make sure the delegations from Pilon and Auman are seated well apart, and make them stop sniping at each other. Let them go out drinking together later and have it out then."

There will be a reception and a dinner [ooc: to give people time to show up] before work begin on actually debating the form the accord will eventually take.

Nations currently attending:
Mangala
Sunset
Auman (representing VC?)
Pilon
Dimelda (is this really a Martian nation?)
ADK Mars
Eniqcir
New RRB
Dark Sith
TY Mars ((ooc: sorry sorry, I knew you were here but the forum ate my first attempt at making this list and I re-wrote it in a hurry.))
Pilonia
Qaaolchoura
Kajal
Kajal Mars
Wazzu / spacer guilds(?)

A dark mass appears on the border of Mangalan space and moves in with incredible speed. It accelerates as it moves until it streaks across the land. Finally it approaches the destination point and dissipates as quickly as it arrived after dropping its occupant. The occupant, who was in stasis during the voyage. The Occupant, a Goutaim by the name of Uwe, identifies himself as the Pilonian Delegate to this conference and shakes hands with the Mangalan representatives who invited them to attend. They then move over to the Vascilian Delegates to speak with them.

OOC: Though I disagree with you I don't want to argue with you Auman, this is probably the best hope for peace Mars will ever see.

What would you argue comrade? the fact that peace is attainable? this is OOC so Im going to say this candidly. You are they only thing preventing us from getting along with the world. In fact you and Sunset are the only real enemies of the League.

So what would you disagree with? the fact that we want peace? or that we want peace? there is nothing to disagree with comrade.

OOC: All I was saying is I disagree with your statement that all you wanted is a safe border.

The Goutaim flicked its tongue. "Yes dinner sounds good. I hope you have prepared ample meat, I am a carnivore."

((OOC Note I mentioned I was sending Darvins to attend, he should be there soon.))

The Colony of DarkSith Mars confirms assistance to the conference.

We will be carrying a minimal delegation, so we are dispatching the Helios-class BattleCruiser Pride to take the delegation there. The head of the Delegation is the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Darth Applebius.

Oh, there is no need for accomodations, as all personnel assigned to the delegation (all one thousand of them) will stay in the ship when not in session. It is needed that the ship be kept close to the negotiating areas, as it has a FTL communication with the metropolis and maintains constant comm traffic with the Colonial Capital. Is there a way to keep the ship close?

(OOC: Really, BCs are equiped with HPG communicators. No harmful intentions there. At least, not from the ship guns.)

Qaalachovans
OOC: What?

I had no idea that there was another Qaa nation. It almost sounds like a parodyof me, except that I can not find it.

A harried looking Mangalan diplomatic adjudant appeared on the comscreen to the darksith ship.

"We are sorry, but the Mangalan Ministery of Immigration has informed me that it is impossible to allow 1000 personnel to participate in the summit. Security precautions alone are a nightmare as it is. We respectfully request you send a delegation of no more than 30 people."

(NOTE: Further Guild actions will likely be posted as Eniqcir, so as to avoid me having to switch back and forth between nations as much. That said,...)

A Waverider falls into atmosphere, circles the globe at somewhere around mach 10, blahblahblah... and eventually lands in, or at least near, the place of the conference. As usual, a ramp unfolds from the bottom, and down it proceeds a large tank of water on wheels.

Meanwhile, a sleek Kajalan shuttle glided towards the landing pad on antigrav alone. Technically, the shuttle belonged to the Xanthe class destroyer Wudin which was in orbit, but that was besides the point. The delegation from Kajal arrived right as the delegation from Kajal Mars did, as both had some interest in the accords.

OOC: I am curious what is the relationship between Kajal and Kajal Mars? It Kajal Mars independant?

OOC: Gahh. . . I almost finish and then my computer dies. I hate Windows XP. Now I have to type it all over again, and it is always a heck of a lot easier to write Pr the first time around.

IC: President Of Qaaolchoura, Luke saQaaolchoura looked around at the space terminal in Kawaash, capital of the Vallis Nation on Mars. This was the first time in the history of Qaaolchoura that a president had ever set foot on another planet, despite, even Europa, the newest of Qaaolchoura's space colonies having been in the empire for generations.

There was a felling that he could not really describe in the air. A feeling of empowerment by the common people that he had not felt since his ride to victory on a tide of popular support way back when.

. . .

OOC: Just had to get part of the RP in. I have a rather interesting situation going on in my region right now so I can't finish up to what I had earlier (before XP killed it)

Edwin made it a point to seek out the Kajal and Qaaulochorav delegations. Relations were stable, but he wanted to reinforce them.

While talking to the Kajal delegation he brought up the idea of a Martian mag-lev system - brought up during President Villanova's tour of the world tree, it matches an earlier Kajal initiative.

"The problem as I have been informed was the ability for change in the previous document. After discussion many of us are willing to setup a multi-national structure to build such a network and convert our existing networks."

A dark mass appears on the border of Mangalan space and moves in with incredible speed. It accelerates as it moves until it streaks across the land. Finally it approaches the destination point and dissipates as quickly as it arrived after dropping its occupant. The occupant, who was in stasis during the voyage. The Occupant, a Goutaim by the name of Uwe, identifies himself as the Pilonian Delegate to this conference and shakes hands with the Mangalan representatives who invited them to attend. They then move over to the Vascilian Delegates to speak with them.


General Zavier saw the Pilonia delegate making his way over to him and reached out his hand, "Why hello Uwe, thats your name isn't it? Iam General Delane Zavier. How are you?" he greeted the Pilonian as cordially as he could.

Jane McCoy was a happy, upbeat person, usually. Something had her feeling down, which was probably why she was arriving so 'late' for the conference. Late considering that she had been in Mangala since the most recent Mars political mixer.

But as she walked into the crowd, the sole Wazzu personage, she did her best to hide her displeasure. Maybe some good will come of this she thought, I can only hope....

Faces mingled, hands shook, and the event became a blur.

General Zavier was drunk...not to noticeably drunk but still good, somewhere along the line he had recieved a ceremonial Lei and a phone number from one of the dancing girls. He still had it, at the ripe old age of 36 he could still make em swoon. Suddenly, he saw her, he couldn't hold himself back...he walked towards her and reached out his hand in greeting. "Hello, my name is Delane, whats yours?"

OOC:

Its the Wazzu delegate that he is accosting.

A dark mass appears on the border of Mangalan space and moves in with incredible speed. It accelerates as it moves until it streaks across the land. Finally it approaches the destination point and dissipates as quickly as it arrived after dropping its occupant. The occupant, who was in stasis during the voyage. The Occupant, a Goutaim by the name of Uwe, identifies himself as the Pilonian Delegate to this conference and shakes hands with the Mangalan representatives who invited them to attend. They then move over to the Vascilian Delegates to speak with them.


General Zavier saw the Pilonia delegate making his way over to him and reached out his hand, "Why hello Uwe, thats your name isn't it? Iam General Delane Zavier. How are you?" he greeted the Pilonian as cordially as he could.

OOC:

The Pilonian was ignored when Delane Zavier spotted the broad from Wazzu...just imagine the Pilonian reaching his hand out and then Zavier just walking away from him.

General Zavier was drunk...not to noticeably drunk but still good, somewhere along the line he had recieved a ceremonial Lei and a phone number from one of the dancing girls. He still had it, at the ripe old age of 36 he could still make em swoon. Suddenly, he saw her, he couldn't hold himself back...he walked towards her and reached out his hand in greeting. "Hello, my name is Delane, whats yours?"

OOC:

Its the Wazzu delegate that he is accosting.

OOC: Good choice. She is even pretty in a vacuum suit. Linked here so as not to offend the 56Kers.

http://members.cox.net/sincityraiders/images/MarsDiplomat.jpg

Though, sorry, I don't have any other pictures of her (like without the vacuum suit...as supposedly only a mask is required here). Hard enough to find one picture of any digitally made person.

IC:

Jane McCoywas making her way through the crowd, another face, another handshake, and then something grabbed her attention. A voice, a very particular accent. Her pupils narrowed and her eyes focused on the General.

Jane didn't know Zavier, but his voice distinguished him as Vascilian. And then there was the smell.

"Delane...ambassador?" she wondered aloud, but did not give him time to answer. "Ambassador McCoy, Wazzu Elysium." she finished deliberately formal and grasping his hand lightly. I thought his province outlawed public enjoyment she mussed silently while trying to ignore the strong stench of alcohol, what is he doing drinking?

DarkSith has no problems about that.

The full delegation is 1000 people, but acredited attendants will be less than thirty. The other ones are people with whom consults or documents may be needed during negotiations and need not to leave the ship. We asked so in order to speed the process of such consultations, but having to go to and from the ship in a spaceport is ok for us. Some consultations can be done via a permanent link between ship and the negotiating room, but some others, due to its sensible nature, will have to be done in person.
Besides, if some issue needs to be consulted with the Metropolis, the only approved way is through the secure HPG located in the ship, and answers will get there.

(The Pride is awaiting in the Mangalan border, shields up and all weapons offline for your signaling a low-atmospehre flying route and an appointed dock/hangar/whatever you have for landing spaceships. When it enters Mangala, she will lower shields as a show of trust.)

((OOC: And now we will have a better way of speeding the negotiations to a snail's pace. Thank you. :)

Wazzu: Your taste for women is... different from mine.))

The adjudant frowned at the Sith delegate, but quickly covered it with a bland smile and replied "that will be acceptable, but you may miss some of the action here on planet while in consultation on your ship."

Toitovna saw the senior delegate from Auman move towards the woman from Wazzu out of the corner of her eye and began to work her way towards them, silently trying to signal the delegate from Pilonia to join her.

Another Mangalan diplomat hurried to greet the Kajal delegations.

The crowd parted as the Guild delegate moved through.

"Excuse the bulk, but it's not my fault that this thing is taking place planetside."

Picking out someone who looked important, the watertank-on-wheels turned to roll towards Ms. McCoy.

With the Arrival of the Goutaim from Pilonia Ferune gave off a sweet smell from his body, (in Goutaim culture the smell was considered an insult but only the other Goutaim is likely to know this) He immidiately moved away from the Pilonian rep and began hissing and snarling under his breath...

A dark mass appears on the border of Mangalan space and moves in with incredible speed. It accelerates as it moves until it streaks across the land. Finally it approaches the destination point and dissipates as quickly as it arrived after dropping its occupant. The occupant, who was in stasis during the voyage. The Occupant, a Goutaim by the name of Uwe, identifies himself as the Pilonian Delegate to this conference and shakes hands with the Mangalan representatives who invited them to attend. They then move over to the Vascilian Delegates to speak with them.


General Zavier saw the Pilonia delegate making his way over to him and reached out his hand, "Why hello Uwe, thats your name isn't it? Iam General Delane Zavier. How are you?" he greeted the Pilonian as cordially as he could.



OOC:

The Pilonian was ignored when Delane Zavier spotted the broad from Wazzu...just imagine the Pilonian reaching his hand out and then Zavier just walking away from him.


Uwe saw this behavior as a personal insult. The pigmentation of his skin turned a deep red color reflecting his anger. He decided not to start an international incident by killing the man, though he could do very easily. He would exact the price required for Honor later, in private.

Ignoring the Insults from Pilon (those scum were expected to be so rude, and in Public no les...), Uwe moved over to the Mangalans. He was still angry about the collective insults from both Auman and Pilon. It reminded him why Pilonia was usually so Isolationist.
He hoped this peace conference was going to be worth it however, it everything went as he hoped there would finally be silence between the bickering Vascilian and MIDAS nations. Peace on Mars, to the Pilonians this meant quiet on Mars as well as a lack of hostilities.

President saQaaolochoura looked aroung the meeting at Mangela City. So many people made him feel a bit uncomfortable. He turned to one of the five(only two of the six main nations of Qaaolchouraav Mars remained in their native lands at the moment) leaders of Qaaolchouraav Martian Nations that had accompanied him.

Eoataarii Sraavedjj, the Elect of Saabeijiae' (Formerly Sabea Territory), was the closest at hand.

"Why so many escorts?" inquired the preisdent.

Two of the National Elects groaned openly, and it was clear that the remaining three were embarassed at their president's ignorance.

Sraavedjj managed to maintain her composter as she responded.

"Mars has become a bloodbath as you recall I am sure."

The President did. His failure to intervene in the great turmoil on the planet had cost him the majority of Mars's votes, and very nearly the election that past term. He nodded and realized what she was getting at.

"Do you think that I should have brought body guards?" he inquired urgently.

"Do you think that any Martian in their right mind would protect our Terran oppressor?" retorted the hot head Elect of Sciapaarrellaarojdzii, Teranaadacth Woqeviid.

Trust Woqeviid to bring up internal politics at an international summit.

The president turned in disgust, and went over to where a discussion between the leaders of Kajal and Sunset was taking place.

Nita Toitovna quietly smoothed the delegate from Pilonia's ruffled feathers and enlisted her to help make sure nothing untoward happened between the general and Jane McCoy, at least not at the reception. That dealt with, she mounted the speaker's podium and clapped once, sharply, for attention.

"Welcome my friends. I would like to inform you all that this reception will be officialy over in about 20 minutes. While the buildiung will remain open all night, there are no more formally schedualed events until 0800 tomorrow morning, when we will official begin debate on the accord. There will be a rotating speaker's list for the first 6 hours of debate, allowing every delegation to have their say on the current draft without interruption. After this, the floor will be opened to anyone who wishes to speak."

"Thank you and goodnight."

Toitovna left the room a few minutes later and headed out to the canal esplanade, catching Edwin's eye as she went, and signalling him to follow.

[OOC: I suppose I should eventually get around to detailling security arrangements at this event. Needless to say Mangala has the entire area crawling with security forces, but they are working almost as hard to avoid being noticed as they are to keep the peace. (We want to set a peaceful atmosphere.) Anyone with a background in security or intelligence should be able to spot a dozen or so agents at any given time, if they look very carefully, but even more are present. This portion of Mangalan airspace has been temporarilly declared off limits to commercial traffic, and in orbit Mangala has two frigates on round the clock alert.]

General Zavier was drunk...not to noticeably drunk but still good, somewhere along the line he had recieved a ceremonial Lei and a phone number from one of the dancing girls. He still had it, at the ripe old age of 36 he could still make em swoon. Suddenly, he saw her, he couldn't hold himself back...he walked towards her and reached out his hand in greeting. "Hello, my name is Delane, whats yours?"

OOC:

Its the Wazzu delegate that he is accosting.

OOC: Good choice. She is even pretty in a vacuum suit. Linked here so as not to offend the 56Kers.

http://members.cox.net/sincityraiders/images/MarsDiplomat.jpg

Though, sorry, I don't have any other pictures of her (like without the vacuum suit...as supposedly only a mask is required here). Hard enough to find one picture of any digitally made person.

IC:

Jane McCoywas making her way through the crowd, another face, another handshake, and then something grabbed her attention. A voice, a very particular accent. Her pupils narrowed and her eyes focused on the General.

Jane didn't know Zavier, but his voice distinguished him as Vascilian. And then there was the smell.

"Delane...ambassador?" she wondered aloud, but did not give him time to answer. "Ambassador McCoy, Wazzu Elysium." she finished deliberately formal and grasping his hand lightly. I thought his province outlawed public enjoyment she mussed silently while trying to ignore the strong stench of alcohol, what is he doing drinking?

Zavier looked at Ms. Mcoy, and then at his half full drink. "Oh, I know what you're thinking Jane...can I call you Jane? 'Why is this old Anti-Funitist drinking...in public for that matter'?" Zavier let out a chuckle "I'll tell you this right now. Auman isn't the old regime, Marduk is a benevolent ruler...he allows his people to do as they wish now as opposed to the Founder. Marduk has changed many things in our nation. You will know this soon enough."

Their Mangalan host interuppted him to tell them all that the party will be ending soon. "Jane, would you mind taking in a drink with me after the party? I would like to talk to you about some things, there are some things I'd like to find out about you MIDAS Nations, as you might have guess we dont get a lot of information behind the Iron Curtain...don't worry Im not a spy, Im just interested in foriegn cultures." General Zavier pounded back his drink and shuddered. He enjoyed the Bajonii liquer, it had an enjoyable after taste, a kin to getting kicked in the stomach by an Inu(Walking bird in Auman)


OOC:

Yeah, I dont really know all that much about your guys countries. Wouldn't mind finding some stuff out.

By the way...I know she didn't mention her name to Zavier, but Zavier is a very well briefed man, he knows the name of every single person at the party.

[OOC: I suppose I should eventually get around to detailling security arrangements at this event. Needless to say Mangala has the entire area crawling with security forces, but they are working almost as hard to avoid being noticed as they are to keep the peace. (We want to set a peaceful atmosphere.) Anyone with a background in security or intelligence should be able to spot a dozen or so agents at any given time, if they look very carefully, but even more are present. This portion of Mangalan airspace has been temporarilly declared off limits to commercial traffic, and in orbit Mangala has two frigates on round the clock alert.]

OOC:

I could probably send some MP's to help out if you would like, no alterior motives. Just offering some help here.

-A Small, Weathered ship fell out from Slipstream around the Mars orbit-

The Pilot opened Hailing to the Ground Security forces: This is the TSP Halsberd, reqesting permission to land, the ambassider from the Federation of Torontonias is unsure if he is late and has missed the opening delegation, but is still interested in attending, if that is acceptable

*At that time, a small explosion in the right side leaves smoke trailing from the ship*

The Pilot agian opens transmission: Sorry about that, we did not mean to get any alarms up, that's just the right fuel injector for the impulse drive, its a very tempermental piece of equiptment[/i]

OOC:

Yeah, I dont really know all that much about your guys countries. Wouldn't mind finding some stuff out.

By the way...I know she didn't mention her name to Zavier, but Zavier is a very well briefed man, he knows the name of every single person at the party.
OOC: Qaaolchoura, is in theory, a union of green democratic socialist nations differentiated by language and culture. Qaaolchouraav Mars as Qaaolchoura's oldest colony has four distinct languages, and numerous dialects and cultures. There are six significant sized nations in Qaaolchouraav Mars, as well as several more with land, and a bunch more spread throughout the provinces without a homeland. Qaaolchoura proper is even more diverse, although Qaaolchouraav Mars has more peoples originating in sattelites of Qaaolchoura than does Qaaolchoura Proper. Qaaolchouraav Venus, is much less diverse, and Qaaolchouraav Europa speaks almost exclusively "Old Meridani" (The Extinct on Mars Martian Dialect from which about half of Qaaolchouraav Mars languages derive) or "Pure Qaaolchouraav." Needless to say, with a national structure this complex, major problems do arise, such as seccesionist movements (especially in parts of Qaaolchouraav Mars). The political structure, civil freedoms, and excellent environmental conditions and public service benefits (plus some rather Orwellian rehab programs) keep Qaaolchoura knit together though.

OOC:

Yeah, I dont really know all that much about your guys countries. Wouldn't mind finding some stuff out.

By the way...I know she didn't mention her name to Zavier, but Zavier is a very well briefed man, he knows the name of every single person at the party.
OOC: Qaaolchoura, is in theory, a union of green democratic socialist nations differentiated by language and culture. Qaaolchouraav Mars as Qaaolchoura's oldest colony has four distinct languages, and numerous dialects and cultures. There are six significant sized nations in Qaaolchouraav Mars, as well as several more with land, and a bunch more spread throughout the provinces without a homeland. Qaaolchoura proper is even more diverse, although Qaaolchouraav Mars has more peoples originating in sattelites of Qaaolchoura than does Qaaolchoura Proper. Qaaolchouraav Venus, is much less diverse, and Qaaolchouraav Europa speaks almost exclusively "Old Meridani" (The Extinct on Mars Martian Dialect from which about half of Qaaolchouraav Mars languages derive) or "Pure Qaaolchouraav." Needless to say, with a national structure this complex, major problems do arise, such as seccesionist movements (especially in parts of Qaaolchouraav Mars). The political structure, civil freedoms, and excellent environmental conditions and public service benefits (plus some rather Orwellian rehab programs) keep Qaaolchoura knit together though.

OOC:

Seems like an interesting place, My nation is based off the original AF Culture, but the people are now allowed to enjoy themselves...within a tasteful limit, it was gifted to them by Noble Lord Marduk. It is a fierce militaristic society, but they are tired of war and are willing to bring peace to Mars any way they can. You will see Auman possibly jumping into military situations as Peace Makers in the future. They will become the extreme Peace Keepers of Mars.

Edwin followed Toitovna to a private room, while leaving Admiral Wick and his wife to mingle with the crowd.

"I'm glad to see everyone is getting along for the most part. It may be a sign of things to come."

General Zavier was drunk...not to noticeably drunk but still good, somewhere along the line he had recieved a ceremonial Lei and a phone number from one of the dancing girls. He still had it, at the ripe old age of 36 he could still make em swoon. Suddenly, he saw her, he couldn't hold himself back...he walked towards her and reached out his hand in greeting. "Hello, my name is Delane, whats yours?"

OOC:

Its the Wazzu delegate that he is accosting.

OOC: Good choice. She is even pretty in a vacuum suit. Linked here so as not to offend the 56Kers.

http://members.cox.net/sincityraiders/images/MarsDiplomat.jpg

Though, sorry, I don't have any other pictures of her (like without the vacuum suit...as supposedly only a mask is required here). Hard enough to find one picture of any digitally made person.

IC:

Jane McCoywas making her way through the crowd, another face, another handshake, and then something grabbed her attention. A voice, a very particular accent. Her pupils narrowed and her eyes focused on the General.

Jane didn't know Zavier, but his voice distinguished him as Vascilian. And then there was the smell.

"Delane...ambassador?" she wondered aloud, but did not give him time to answer. "Ambassador McCoy, Wazzu Elysium." she finished deliberately formal and grasping his hand lightly. I thought his province outlawed public enjoyment she mussed silently while trying to ignore the strong stench of alcohol, what is he doing drinking?

Zavier looked at Ms. Mcoy, and then at his half full drink. "Oh, I know what you're thinking Jane...can I call you Jane? 'Why is this old Anti-Funitist drinking...in public for that matter'?" Zavier let out a chuckle "I'll tell you this right now. Auman isn't the old regime, Marduk is a benevolent ruler...he allows his people to do as they wish now as opposed to the Founder. Marduk has changed many things in our nation. You will know this soon enough."

Their Mangalan host interuppted him to tell them all that the party will be ending soon. "Jane, would you mind taking in a drink with me after the party? I would like to talk to you about some things, there are some things I'd like to find out about you MIDAS Nations, as you might have guess we dont get a lot of information behind the Iron Curtain...don't worry Im not a spy, Im just interested in foriegn cultures." General Zavier pounded back his drink and shuddered. He enjoyed the Bajonii liquer, it had an enjoyable after taste, a kin to getting kicked in the stomach by an Inu(Walking bird in Auman)


OOC:

Yeah, I dont really know all that much about your guys countries. Wouldn't mind finding some stuff out.

By the way...I know she didn't mention her name to Zavier, but Zavier is a very well briefed man, he knows the name of every single person at the party.

OOC: Yes, I caught that...was going to and still will comment on it ICly.

IC:

He knows my name, he has studied up...

...and he guesses my thoughts, telepathy? Jane questioned herself, then answered as the General spoke No, I don't think so...

...but to talk afterwards? First name basis, informality could be bad for me, but good for Wazzu. The general finished speaking, and Jane was silent a moment. I know how to keep my mouth shut, it is worth it.

"Well Delane," she confirmed his first name wishes, "I'd be happy to join you and anyone else who can remain civil-" she paused "-as long as it isn't more then two drinks. I think we have a lot we can dis--"

At that moment, a watertank on wheels arrived somewhat to the side of the two atendees.

The crowd parted as the Guild delegate moved through.

"Excuse the bulk, but it's not my fault that this thing is taking place planetside."

Picking out someone who looked important, the watertank-on-wheels turned to roll towards Ms. McCoy.

"--Ah, hello?" Jane picked up, still unaware of the Pilonian delegate watching from afar.

Audrey milled about, not really looking for anyone in particular, but surveying the various delegations.

Pilon and Auman- very hostile. Good to avoid issues that involve either of them, lest they have differing opinions. Wazzu- versed diplomat. Very good. Sunset, the same. One, two, three security... Hm. Sloppy work, that. The sunglasses give it away immediately. Gansarek would not be pleased with that one. Ah, but the others are doing quite well at blending in...

[Acting as Spacer Guilds-]
"--Ah, hello?"
The Guildsman floated forward so as to have his nose almost touching the glass wall at the front of the tank, black eyes opened wide. A voice distorted by its passage through water played from speakers at the base.

"Hello. It's probably obvious that I am the Guild delegate. Would shake your hand, except for the wall between us. Name's Philo of Skheria. Er... actually, Philoktetes, but no one ever actually uses the whole thing. And you are?"

[And back as the Snel-]
A somewhat more streamlined, and wider, version of a DeLorian (OOC: Oo. Spelling?) sped along above the Martian ground- not on it, of course, as there was no road, but supported on a hovercraft's cushion of air- from the direction of Yggdrasil. After it had coasted to a stop and touched down, gull-wing doors opened and out stepped two rather large purples in silver capes.

By the way...I know she didn't mention her name to Zavier, but Zavier is a very well briefed man, he knows the name of every single person at the party.OOC: 'Cept the Guildsman, and the Snel.

General Zavier turned to look at the Snel delegate, he swept his long black hair out of his eyes and spoke "Good evening Comrade! I have never met one from your nation before, how are you?" he was going to reach out his hand, but then decided against it. A waiter walked by the gathered representatives and Zavier snatched up a glass of Amasec and replaced it with his empty cup.



OOC:

General Zavier is 6'1'' and around 200 pounds of almost solid muscle, a well built handsome man in his mid thirties he is also a minor telepath.

Having retired to private quarters arranged by his own minister of foreign affairs, Leinad sits on a Martian veranda awaiting the finalities and idiosyncracies of the coming talks. His personal bodyguard is present in the inner room, but has allowed him a few moments outside to "get some fresh air," though in all likelihood, it had been recycled.

He liked the landscape; it reminded him of home. A land of little plant life and mostly canyons of rock. He loved the red dirt and the sandy plains. It was a sight he would never forget.

But other matters were lent his attention. An emergency intelligence report from Ursa Prime, the capitol city of Dimelda, came in on a coded channel to his personal communications device. His eyes scanned the message encoded within the flashing bits of data. He grumbled under his breath and scratched his five-o-clock shadow of a beard.

"Why does this always happen when I have to leave? Blast them... Merak Beddah!"

He threw the communicator on the floor, but not hard enough to break it. After taking all he cared for of the Martian view, he walked over to the well-stocked minifridge unit and snacked on a few slices of Merundian Comet Pie, smiling and making the telltale little noises of delight that come with wonderful food.

Jane had just opened her mouth to introduce the general and herself when said general interupted. "Good evening Comrade! I have never met one from your nation before, how are you?" Rather then return the interuption, she held her mouth, gave a slight smile to the Guildsman sure that he too understood, and used the moment to collect her thoughts.

ooc attempted to post Earlier but had trouble so here goes.

The Tannelorn Delegation arrived with their usual Flare and style. Showing up fashionably late, a Massive Garfish "yacht" approached the airfield and Gracefully Touched down next to the other Delegates Trasports. It was a stark contrast to the other Delegates Craft, Decorated in gold and Silver over three hundred and fifty feet and Well Designed, it evoked a carefully calculated awe in the spectators assembled Below.

The Delegation Disembarking was no less Spectacular, 30 of Tannelorns Finest Knights, Bedecked in the full plate Powered armour of the Tannelorn Army, though decorated as befits an honour guard. They assembled in two ranks facing each other, with practiced ease to allow the Tannelorn Delegation to pass, then fell in beside and behind them, their Swords Strapped Firmly and Securely to their sides. The Tannelorn Delegate was a Large man of Obvious Germanic Descent, most likely one of the Royal Family, Dressed in Robes and a Splendid, Baroquely Decorated Suit of Power armour. Beside him walked a Slight Elven Woman, also in Power armour as well as a few Attendants. These Creatures specifically Genetically engineered to Serve Dignitaries of Tannelorn in all of their menial Tasks [Food taster, Room Checker that sort of thing].

the Delegate Proceeded directly towards the Recreation area, having glanced at a map of the facility on his way down, and thanks to his Genetically enhanced Memory functions, he did not even need to speak to the greeters and guides to find his way........

ooc just to let you know, Tannelorn people are all Genetically engineered to high standards

Zavier sensed Ms.Mcoy's discomfort and looked towards her apologetically, "Im sorry, I interuppted you...Ive had a bit to much to drink." The General put his drink down on a near by table for one of the waiters to deal with. Suddenly there was a crackle in his ear, "Lord General, the Tannelornians have arrived...they're late." Zavier pressed down on his cufflink and talked into his collar. "It figures...those poncy bastards are probably going to charge in here and raise hell. Try and stall them from the meeting." his aid responded "Yes sir, I'll take them drinking."

Jane snickered (lightheartedly) first at General Zavier unintentionally cutting off the Guildsman, then at his comment to his shirt collar. She could only hear his half the conversation through the radio link, but it was enough to let her know what was happening.

"Delegant Philo, General Zavier," she addressed the two with a true smile, the General had managed to cheer her up, "the reception is ending. Perhaps we can meet the Tannelorns in the lounge, and between the three of us, manage them if sufficiently inebriated."

The short Wazzu Consular took the General aggressively but gently by the arm and managed to steer both him and the Guildsman towards a lounge area inside.

[[OOC: Assuming an indoor lounge area was provided as part of the reception, and that it will be open for late leaving delegates]]

He had been prompted by Ms.Mcoy to make way to the Tannelornians, he decided he didn't have to keep anything from them. "The Tannelornians are here...I wanted to keep them from the party for awhile, you know how they are...whats the word you use in Wazzu? ah yes...they're Dickwads." Zavier had a good laugh at that one.

"You know, if you look back on Vascilian History you would be shocked to know that...believe it or not, our two nations have never gotten along. Back in 2251 we had a 3 week border war eh...taught those Tannelornians a lesson in Fanatacism, or wait. That was the Theocracy that did that...I forget that sometimes, my glorious homeland has been destroyed." General Zavier looked remorseful, like a man dispossessed of his most valued article. "Jane, I dont want my children growing up the way I had to...on a world wracked by war." General Zavier clapped his hands suddenly, cheering himself up as they walked into the lounge. Zavier made eye contact with Werner Alberich "Why how's it going you Tannelornian dog, you!?"


OOC:

Cant role play till tomorrow, its beddy bye for this remorseful Stalinist.

OOC:

:shock: I need my DSL at home. Just seeing what I missed makes me envious. By now, my BC should have landed and the negotiating party could be on its way. I could have been attending the reception. Sigh. Sniff.

Well, at least I can keep track of what I am missing.

"Delegant Philo, General Zavier," she addressed the two with a true smile, the General had managed to cheer her up, "the reception is ending. Perhaps we can meet the Tannelorns in the lounge, and between the three of us, manage them if sufficiently inebriated."

"Pleased to meet you. I do hope this will be a productive conference. It would be well to establish good future relations with the planetside nations of Mars. Which are the Tannelorns?"

Tathar Smytheson was talking to the Quaal and Kajal delegates, picking up where her husband left off.

"Both your nations will be very important to any effort to setup this corporation. One of the plans on the drawing board includes a mag-lev line along the water-front. Shipping will naturally come in there, and as both nations have a sizable chunk of waterline your co-operation is paramount."

Tathar took out two datacards, and handed them to each delegate.

"This is the specifications for the mag-lev lines that we are proposing. You'll note it is based off a new design - it is similar to what is in existance now but no nation has a line like this. It's designed to allow both quick transfer of passengers as well as quick loading and unloading of a standard cargo module."

Tathar took a drink off a passing waiter before continuing.

"The cargo modules tie in with another little plot of my husbands - you know he was in spaceship manufacturing before he was elected. He wants to put out a design for a standard cargo module, used by all nations. This would allow much more rapid transit of goods and materials as well as more efficient storage. I know many of us already have such a design, but imagine the benifits after such a system enters widespread use."

Tathar Smytheson was talking to the Quaal and Kajal delegates, picking up where her husband left off.

"Both your nations will be very important to any effort to setup this corporation. One of the plans on the drawing board includes a mag-lev line along the water-front. Shipping will naturally come in there, and as both nations have a sizable chunk of waterline your co-operation is paramount."

Tathar took out two datacards, and handed them to each delegate.

"This is the specifications for the mag-lev lines that we are proposing. You'll note it is based off a new design - it is similar to what is in existance now but no nation has a line like this. It's designed to allow both quick transfer of passengers as well as quick loading and unloading of a standard cargo module."

Tathar took a drink off a passing waiter before continuing.

"The cargo modules tie in with another little plot of my husbands - you know he was in spaceship manufacturing before he was elected. He wants to put out a design for a standard cargo module, used by all nations. This would allow much more rapid transit of goods and materials as well as more efficient storage. I know many of us already have such a design, but imagine the benifits after such a system enters widespread use."

The director of Transit from Kajal Mars read over the data contained on the pads, and smiled.

"The design for the mag-lev line is similar to the turborail system we employed across Kajal Mars and Kajal... with a few minute adjustments, we should be able to integrate the already existing rail network into this plan." The director paused to take a sip of wine from the glass in his other hand. "We've extensive facilities to manufacture turborail trains already... We could undoubtedly use those to manufacture the new trains."

OOC: at current, Kajal Mars is in negotiations with Kajal to seceed from the Kajalan Imperium, and become a soveriegn state. So far, the negotiations have not gone well. Kajal has moved a military presence into the Kajal Mars colony for the time being as a deterrent.

ack. double post.

"i have been better, friend, of course having to attend a peace accord is one thing....but they could have held it in some sort of splendid palace...rather then a hastily rented convention centre...." Grahf Werner Alberecht stated non chalantly. " The entertainment Should be better as well, where is the Tannelorn Schnapps or Vodka, admittedly the Alcoholic Beverages they serve taste well enough, they lack sufficient "punch" i have had to use the drinking sink several times and i am finally just starting to feel it" the Grahf finished, the Slight Elf maid then came up to him and whispered something in to his ear...." oh it appers these mangalans are not as skilled and Refined drinkers as we...and that was not a sink.....Excuse me a moment i will be right back....." the Tannelorn Delegate issued a few orders to his knight's emphasizing with the words "Schnell! schnell!!!" the first knight dropped to one knee "jawohl!!" and raced off far faster then a regular human, even in power armour, has any right to....

ooc School so cant really talk till later, maybe not even till tommorow.
and by skilled and refined drinkers i mean "german Style" ie drink till you puke, drink some more, puke some more, drink some more...they even have special sinks in Germany for that purpose mwahahaha and talking to Auman right now

bump, extra post

OOC: The Qaalachovans are different. I knew there were 5 main nations, but I couldn't remember so I improved with that. I guess your nation name was just an inspiration.

IC:

The delegates began to disembark from the plane. Many clansmen felt intimidated by the technology of other Martian nations, while the Khristians shruged it off. Peace could not encompass Mars for eternity, everyone in the Con federacy had learned that. Peace is only a result of war. This conference would only delay inevitable war. During this 'peace' other nations would be building up their millitary forces. Martians would never have peace until they put away their weapons and kept from animosity.

Peace was impossible, war was inevitable.

OOC: The Qaalachovans are different. I knew there were 5 main nations, but I couldn't remember so I improved with that. I guess your nation name was just an inspiration.

OOC: 5 main nations of what?
:?

"i have been better, friend, of course having to attend a peace accord is one thing....but they could have held it in some sort of splendid palace...rather then a hastily rented convention centre...." Grahf Werner Alberecht stated non chalantly. " The entertainment Should be better as well, where is the Tannelorn Schnapps or Vodka, admittedly the Alcoholic Beverages they serve taste well enough, they lack sufficient "punch" i have had to use the drinking sink several times and i am finally just starting to feel it" the Grahf finished, the Slight Elf maid then came up to him and whispered something in to his ear...." oh it appers these mangalans are not as skilled and Refined drinkers as we...and that was not a sink.....Excuse me a moment i will be right back....." the Tannelorn Delegate issued a few orders to his knight's emphasizing with the words "Schnell! schnell!!!" the first knight dropped to one knee "jawohl!!" and raced off far faster then a regular human, even in power armour, has any right to....


General Zavier could barely contain his laughter, in fact he couldn't. He broke out laughing at the Tannelornian delegation, even at one point raising a mocking finger at them. "You know what this means...I haven't had enough to drink." Delane made his way to the bar and ordered another Amasec, this time a double shot and made his way back to Ms.Mcoy and Mr.Philon. "Well this has been an interesting night to say the least." He looked towards the toiling Tannelornian adjutant and started laughing again. He wiped a tear away from his eye and sighed. "Well, lets have a seat shall we." Zavier gestured towards a row of comfortable looking seats.

Meanwhile, The Director of Finances from Kajal Mars appeared with an entire bottle of vodka, looking like she wasn't going to share it with anyone. She snatched the project plan for the maglev network, and wandered off in a vaguely crooked line.

It was worth noting that the bottle was half empty, and she had after all been the only one to drink any of it.

Meanwhile, The Director of Finances from Kajal Mars appeared with an entire bottle of vodka, looking like she wasn't going to share it with anyone. She snatched the project plan for the maglev network, and wandered off in a vaguely crooked line.

It was worth noting that the bottle was half empty, and she had after all been the only one to drink any of it.

OOC:

I love how alchoholic the majority of our leaders are...except the ultra un-hip politicians from Sunset, haha.

OOC: It's in the criteria for President - 'No harmful addictions.' That's hard considering our health levels. Which is why Presidents often find and groom their own successor.

IC:
Wick had wandered over to the bar as well, though he stayed far away from the Auman and Tannelorn delegation. Orders partially, and personal preference. He was a careful drinker though.

"I'll have some jalepeno poppers, and a hamburger. And a tequila."

He sat and waited for his food while looking around for someone to talk to. Spotting some officers in Mangalan uniforms he made his way over to their table while signalling the waiter.

OOC: It's in the criteria for President - 'No harmful addictions.' That's hard considering our health levels. Which is why Presidents often find and groom their own successor.

IC:
Wick had wandered over to the bar as well, though he stayed far away from the Auman and Tannelorn delegation. Orders partially, and personal preference. He was a careful drinker though.

"I'll have some jalepeno poppers, and a hamburger. And a tequila."

He sat and waited for his food while looking around for someone to talk to. Spotting some officers in Mangalan uniforms he made his way over to their table while signalling the waiter.

Ferune watched everyone in silence. He tapped the claws on the ground and moved off by himself to study up on the needed information.

General Zavier couldn't help but glare at the Sunset official, "Stuck up bastards...all of em" he muttered under his breath. Zavier pounded back his drink and did his best to ignore, "Chappy of Sunset" as the Auman delegation reffered to him.

OOC:

I love how alchoholic the majority of our leaders are...except the ultra un-hip politicians from Sunset, haha.
OOC: The Qaaolchouraav Mars politicians(and the President) are for the most part "un-hip," as well, although politicians From Qaaolchouraav Europa, and Qaaolchoura Proper are a different story).

IC: The President examined the diagram that was presented to him. He know that the President who had selected the territory had done so for its strategic value, but he doubted that she (the president then was a Dzjii Female, the first Non-Ahaaondaav minority elected to the office, and very a very competant leader as well) could have realized how stategic the continued inclusin of Ares Vallis(after Qaaolchoura redrew its claim) would prove.

He nodded. He had no problem wih ships passing hrough Qaaolchouraav territorial vater, as long as they payed small duties for stopping at Qaaolchouraav ports for refeuling.

He would, however have to go through the nightmare of getting permission from the four houses of Congress. and possibly the Supreme Courts and the Cabinet Council.

OOC: There are four braches of Qaaolchouraav Government, the Cabinet Council being seperate from the executive cabinet, and Congress has four houses: provincial, national, popular, and peoples'.

OOC:

The delegates began to disembark from the plane. Many clansmen felt intimidated by the technology of other Martian nations, while the Khristians shruged it off.

You said the magic word!

Let the flaunting commence

Also, Mangala uses tents, right? Therefore...

IC:

TO>>>Mangala Security
FROM>>Trinity Envoys

Entrance expected in entrance area. Do not be alarmed.
---

A loud scream echoed in the hall as space contorted, several booms thundered past as the skiff fluttered past sensors. The booms shook the foundation slightly as the fold space collapsed, leaving the sound of a thud, and the form of the delegate seemingly flattened against the wall.

In an almost cartoonish sense, he seemed to walk away fine, with a false smile on his face, he quietly muttered.

"...stupid...'ers....mother...they don't pay me enough...ArAreBeens don't deal with this...I'm middle class da..."

¤The Tritarchic Dominions of New ArAreBee¤

OOC:

The delegates began to disembark from the plane. Many clansmen felt intimidated by the technology of other Martian nations, while the Khristians shruged it off.

You said the magic word!

Let the flaunting commence

Also, Mangala uses tents, right? Therefore...


OOC:

My delegation used public transportation instead of showing up all sorts of military vehicles, whats wrong with the Ferry and Train systems we have set up? Anyway...we should be moving this along, wheres Mangala?

[[OOC sorry, I'm dealing with major 'net issues on the normal desktop computer, and once I finally got the laptop to work right the forums wouldn't work for me. I'm trying to catch up now. Toitovna was going to have a convo with Edwin but I think to get this thing moving I'll get back to that topic later. Sorry sunset for dragging you outside and then disappearing. some quick responses also:
Tannelorn, it's not a rented conference center, it's a government building constructed specifically for this sort of event. We use it as a public covention center to help recoup the fairly sustantial amount of money we spent building it.
Also all you drunkards the bar should be able to come up with anything you want, unless it's really exotic. Just ask, or teach em how to make it if you want.

Let's say that the first stage of the formal process will start tomorrow morning, real time (I'm on EST, not sure about anyone else but just start around then). Everyone should be here by then, and late comers can just sneak in. Welcome everyone, let's hope this can work!]]

OOC: I'll be here.

IC:

"I agree. Perhaps we can discuss this more later."

Edwin left the room and looked around for his wife. He found her talking over the transportation plan with the Snel delegation.

"...the coastal route will allow more markets, while the equatorial route will provide the best backbone and some redundancy."

"Hello dear," he said, giving her a quick kiss. "How's the campaign going?"

"Kajal and Quaal are both aboard - I wish we had Kinslayer and Neo Pandora, but both have suddenly gone isolationist."

Ferune left the room with the other diplomats. It was time to go down to the Lake and do some diving, he wanted some fresh fish...

OOC: Wasn't Mangala the Nazi surgeon who performed brutal operations on Jews in death camps, then fled to South America?

"...the coastal route will allow more markets, while the equatorial route will provide the best backbone and some redundancy."

"No reason we can't have both. A system of spoke lines radiating from the world-tree, with connections at strategic points, would give easy access to the entire globe. If a certain nation is uncooperative, we leave out the spoke that would pass through their territory, and route around it. Alternately, we could build a single main equatorial line, with branches extending to specific national access points, where purely internal systems would take over. The only major detour required, unless more nations decline, would be a bend southward along the coastline to avoid Neo Pandora."

"...the coastal route will allow more markets, while the equatorial route will provide the best backbone and some redundancy."

"No reason we can't have both. A system of spoke lines radiating from the world-tree, with connections at strategic points, would give easy access to the entire globe. If a certain nation is uncooperative, we leave out the spoke that would pass through their territory, and route around it. Alternately, we could build a single main equatorial line, with branches extending to specific national access points, where purely internal systems would take over. The only major detour required, unless more nations decline, would be a bend southward along the coastline to avoid Neo Pandora."
OOC: Wait a second, roads through my territory!?!
Qaolchoura does not allow things to pas through the land of her territory without charging tariffs, and getting the law changed for Mars only would be incredibly complicated and time consuming, and possibly impossible.

Sorry, but I'e already come up with certain guidelines about Qaaolchoura ahead of time, and I will have to RP major congressional, and court debates for this to change.

OOC:

No roads unless its your idea! ignore the idea until you decide to build a massive road system and then take credit for the whole thing!

OOC: Technically, couldn't you get away with Qaaol agreeing to construct new routes/link the equatorial/coastal route with existing ones in the territory?

Here is the data sheet for the project to clear things up.


Trans-National Mag-Lev System

Purpose:
To establish a Mars-wide mag-lev train system to allow the speedy movement of passengers and cargo.

Implementation:
Each nation would pay for the re-building of their own systems. Passage would be by cards issued in the nation of departure valid for a certain number of kilometers. Each kilometer of track would have a sensor station that would subtract from the card each time it passed over the station. Each nation would recieve the amount subtracted by its own sensor stations in it's own currency.

Cards would be bought without ID to avoid privacy violation issues for nations with strict privacy laws. Nations would be free to implement their own border controls as long as they did not implement an additional fee for using the system.

The system would support passengers as well as cargo. Cargo would have a card affixed before loading and work in the same way as the passenger cards.

The proposal also ties into a proposal for a Mars-wide cargo pod. This pod would be designed for fast loading and size conformity to the mag-lev trains plus the Ysaggril cargo elevator lines. This would make cargo transfer much more seemless - no loading and unloading of multiple cargo vehicles. A single cargo pod could go from a factory floor to the mag-lev to a deep space freighter. Inspections would be done via external sensors and could be done on the fly along the mag-lev lines.

Both proposals are being passed around. Edwin makes a specific point of seeking out the Auman and Tannelorn delegates and giving it to them personally instead of going through a functionary.

Credit is given to the Snel, Sunset, Mangala, Pilon, Kajal, Quaal and many other nations on the mag-lev proposal - while Edwin really wants it passed he is not taking credit for the work of others. The cargo-container is his baby though.

OOC: The cargo pod proposal may have been brought up earlier in other threads, but not to my knowledge or (admittedly flawed) memory. The pod design is still Edwin's though - he's still a ship designer at heart.

OOC: I believe you are referring to Dr. Josef Mengele, who was in fact a pretty nasty guy. The name Mangala is taken from the Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson, I believe it is also the name of a vallis somewhere on Mars.

The debate about the planetary transport system is an interesting and informative one, but perhaps deserves it's own thread, since the proposed global adjudicating body can't do anything about it until we get this accord signed.

IC:

Maya Toitovna surveyed the delegates gathering in the hall. Each delegation sat at it's own desk, and had been provided with a com console and a clerical aide (i.e. and errand boy). As a last minute thought each table had also been provided with a small container of prescription painkillers, at the suggestion of a rather hung over Auman delegate. From her position on the raised speaker's podium she had a commanding view of the room. She was pleased at the number of delegates. Here were people from VC, MIDAS, even representatives of far flung empires all working together towards peace. A bell chimed three times, quieting the room.

"Friends, today our work begins in earnest. It will not be easy, but I am confident that we will be able to come out of this room with a document that is acceptable to all parties. I do ask that in this, our first formal drafting session, delegates only state thier own positions, and refrain from commenting on the positions of others (ooc: unless they do it subtly). There will be time enough for that later. What we need now is feedback on the draft, especially in the area of how to enforce it."

Maya moved aside to let the first speaker ascend to the podium. Taking a seat with the Mangalan delegation she waited to see what would happen.

The president took a second look at the plans. He had not noticed that there would be duties charged for passage along the length of track to be laid in Qaaolchoura. This took the Supreme Courts and Congress out of it entirely. The executive cabinet and Cabinet Council should be easy enough to sway now.

He grinned to himself at the thought of the implications. perhaps at last Qaaolchoura could export its Martian grown cocoa.

"We have issues with the restrictions on terraforming. Specifically, the fact that they are impossible to accomodate, as they have already been violated. Argyre will not be drained."

[ooc: the terraforming guidelines can be changed to accomodate what the nations who are heavily involved in terraforming think is appropriate. I must admit I lifted them wholesale from Robinson as a starting point, and almost as an afterthought. I want the accord to cover terraforming but since Mangala has not been heavily involved with the project I have little idea of where it currently is... we can sort out some more realistic guidelines IC]

Edwin took the podium and pulled out a flexi of notes 10 pages long. He looked it over for a moment, and put it away. "I'm missing most of my notes, so I'll just wing it."

He paused for a moment and switched over to the tone Villanova had taught him. Ears, at least human ears, perked up as he began to speak.

"The nation of Sunset has one particular desire from any accord, and will only sign one if that is met. National sovereignty must be reinforced and assured whenever possible. At first this seems at odds with the goals of an arbitration accord, but in the end the body will decide who has violated who's sovereignty first.

This instead of soldiers and ships - the loss of each costs us something whether emotional or physical. What is it to us to give up a small amount of hubris to reduce and hopefully eliminate these costs?"

Edwin sat down. He didn't think that had come out well, but hopefully someone would chime in and clarify it.

[ooc: the terraforming guidelines can be changed to accomodate what the nations who are heavily involved in terraforming think is appropriate. I must admit I lifted them wholesale from Robinson as a starting point, and almost as an afterthought. I want the accord to cover terraforming but since Mangala has not been heavily involved with the project I have little idea of where it currently is... we can sort out some more realistic guidelines IC] OOC: Qaaolchoura hasn't really been helping with the global terreforming, although with the water melter we have irrigated Qaaolchouraav Mars.

General Zavier's head was pounding, he wasn't used to drinking so much...it was worth it though, Zavier chuckled a bit but regretted it as his head began to throb even worse. He read Edwins proposal, it seemed profitable but also dangerous. The Security issues were apparent to him. The rapid transfer of goods and services, though good for the economy worried him. Terrorists, smuggled goods, weapons and possibly plague. If Auman were to accept this proposal he knew for sure that Marduk would put incredible restriction and security on it.

Edwin had stopped speaking, the topic was the same he was to bring up. National Sovreignty. He pressed down the audienciary rune on his table, requesting to be heard at the podeum, if everyone assented he would take his place and make Aumans position known.

OOC:

Im not just going to walk up to the podeum and speak, Im sure there are other people in line to speak so I'll wait for permission from the rest of you.

Darvins Absent from the reception took his place at the main meeting and remained silent as the various delegates revealed their own concerns. Eventually he spoke,

'While we agree with the concerns of the people of Sunset that national soverignity MUST be protected, something a little more subtle niggles at me, the prospect of having Ten year Olds sitting in judgement via the method of randomn polls of the population. For a start it is my belief that a Ten year old is not mature enough to understand the complex issues involved. Also however we disagree with the idea of a set age, taking the example of a Ten year old, to my People a Ten Year old is little more than a Toddler, even if the age was changed to an Eighteen year old the Problem remains.

This problem is a sympton of a larger concern, the document is written from a very Human Prospective, paying little head to the simple fact that Mars is a Multi-Species Planet, we have more than simple Humans on this world. Still a simple fix to the current problem is possible so we would like to advise to our fellow delegates that where an Age is given in the text, it be changed to Age of Majourity this removes Species bias, albeit unintentional, while also preserving a little more of National Soverignty.'

" As Tannelorn handles most of its logisitical needs through gravitic Rail Mass Drivers delivering payloads in to space to be dropped on to whatever nation or target it is needed at, or an internal Grav Lev line under the ice cap....we have no need for your trans mars Rail, of course we can still set up trade in the same manner as we do in Vascilia. Simply put, we deliver the payload in to space and let you deal with it." Grahf Alberecht stated, having returned from his "duties".

"of course but that is not the only proposal, make no mistake, peace is better then war, but there is very little we would need in trade from other martian nations, Education, Technology, Health care and Food, as WEll as IT and others are all produced Locally in Tannelorn at a higher quality then most nations, though there is an interest in developing joint technologies with Bajon, as they have Technical Mastery in Vehicle Technology actually surpassing our own" [bigger auto industry *shakes fist lol]

"we would not, however be adverse to sharing technology with friendly nations, and building jopint projects, after 135 years of military and Civilian Research under the Charlemagne system, we have come VERY far, and in the interests of Martian peace, we would be willing to share all Civilian Technologies, most essentially Genetic Engineering and Food stuffs, as well as building techniques. The proposal s there, though any counter offers shall be looked at with interest."


ooc just to let you know a bit about tannelorn, they are set up under the Charlemagne system, the first rennaisance as they call it. they act like the Holy Roman Empire Germans, they are good and just, though they believe in Authoritarianism. Education, Health and a proud Military are the majour benefits and priorities of this system, as it is Exactly what the original Holy Roman Empire was like. So in short, Everyone is GE'd to the highest standards on mars [best health care now] and very well educated [now] as well as a very good mil. That is part of the culture ofthe country and Jousts and tournaments and military games are an important part of the culture. Also as is the "helpfulness" of the nation. IE dont make them mad, as they are fanatics, but dont worry about them knocking on your door for no reason.

Culturally its a mix between German, Russian and Elven[very limited] Culture with the official Language being German, as it is better for technical Purposes [Tannelorns LOVE technology] oh and Tannelorn Did Budge to the podium...but who is going to argue with a Genetically Engineered 7 foot superman in thick power armour...heh heh not trying to be a bastage, just very impatient to get back to drinking.

President saQaaolchoura stepped in line behind the delegate of Auman, and waited for him to speak.

ooc Auman isnt here right now, so best that you speak first, wont be back for HOURS, quite literally.

General Zavier realised after about the third speaker that the Assent runes were never going to light up, he stood up very non-chalantly and cleared his throat. He waited until he got absolutely everyones attention and began to speak.


"This is a peace conference, not a Trade Seminar, gentlemen...please lets get back on track." he sat silent for a moment, reaching into a small case for an Iho stick, he lit it and took a drag. "The issue that we in Vascilia, and in MIDAS no doubt want to adress is that of Sovreignty. For almost a hundred years now our two great League have been at odds with one another, and why? because we both have been enforcing our National Sovreignty...both leagues have been going off on our laws, our notions of Right and Wrong...I think the first thing we should tackle in these proceedings is understanding. We must first Understand each other if we are to begin working towards peace. We in Vascilia have no idea how Law in the MIDAS states work, and no doubt you in MIDAS have no reckoning of Vascilian Law.

I say we take issues we have had in the past and discuss why exactly we had them in the first place. Then may'be we can work towards creating a common international law...and set up the so called "World Adjudication Body" that Mangala has so fervently been calling for." Zavier popped the Iho stick back into his mouth and sat down, assent runes lit up all around the chambers and several politicians began pounding on their desks. One of Zaviers aids leaned over and spoke "You sure can get a reaction out of people Lord General!"

OOC:

The Pounding on the desks was for dramatic effect...Tannelornians also seem to spell differently than the rest of Mars eh, John?

President saQaaolchoura stepped out onto the podium, and looked acrosss at the crowd. He had his opions, but after the Lord General from Auman had spoken, his opinions might seem weak and scipted.

Still, he had to go ahead. How would he address them? "My fellow Martians" would be pretentious as he was not a Martian, and "My fellow humans" would be discriminatory. "Comrades" would imply that Qaaolchoura was communist, and "Friends, Romans, Countrymen" would likely through some off. He Settled on "My Fellow citizens of the parauniverse"

"My fellows citizens of the parauniverse, I come before you today, not as the Terran leader of an earth based federal empire, but as a fellow Martian.

"For too long Mars has become a bloodbath, where the blood of nations spills to turn the red planet even reder, to fill her blue seas with the tears of the survivors of Martian soldiers. We have seen vicious feuds between nations that has spread to the very populace itself, and ripped the planet, not just into two pieces but into more. For this we are all to blame.

"Some of us started these conflicts, some of us perpetuated it, and some of us, my nation included, simply stuck our heads in the sand and ignored the pleas and obligations of sentinence that called to called us. We have defiled the very base of sentinence itself on Mars, and that vitually every other planet in the known parauniverse is no excuse. There are worlds above this and why can we not be as well?

"We can never repair the damage that has been done, the damage of shattered lives but whether Vascillian, MIDAS, or isolationist, we need to try to right what we can, and prevent similar incidents from occuring in the future.

"We do not agree with all, or even most, of the way that the draft of the Magalan Accords are written (after all, this lottery makes no sense to the minds of the Qaaolchouraav), but it is a start. We should not take these documents unamended, but we should certainly not dismiss them out of hand. For more than anything. . .

"Mars needs Peace."

He looked cooly around the crowd, and and returned to his seat. There, that had not gone off as badly as he had feared. It seemed as if it might have had a postive effect, though only time would tell.

[OOC the floor will open for responses to others concerns tomorrow morning. Thank you all for what has been done thus far. I'd like to ask that if you know a martian nation that may be interested in this accord, to please contact them and request their attendance. Particularly in the case of nations new to Mars, who I know nothing about, this is important. Thank you.]
IC:

Toitovna waited for an open moment and took the podium briefly. "One major issue that we were unable to fully resolve while drafting the document was enforcement. As many of you here today have asserted in the past, treaties are easilly broken. How might we enforce this accord if it is agreed on?"

Toitovna waited for an open moment and took the podium briefly. "One major issue that we were unable to fully resolve while drafting the document was enforcement. As many of you here today have asserted in the past, treaties are easilly broken. How might we enforce this accord if it is agreed on?"

"I believe that we should use the Earths United Nations as an example, no true method of enforcement...though nations may band together and enforce economic sanctions upon offenders. The Vascilian League recognizes the need for an International Peace Keeping force..." General Zavier didn't even stand up to respond to the question.

OOC:

The World Adjudication body needs a better name in my opinion...may'be something cool, Us Vascilians have a knack for figuring out cool names ;D

OOC: No time for an IC post right now...only had time to do one. Sooo, please check out: The Night Before - Mangalan Accords (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2113906#2113906). Maybe we can finish that bit of RPing off.

"The nation of Sunset has one particular desire from any accord, and will only sign one if that is met. National sovereignty must be reinforced and assured whenever possible. At first this seems at odds with the goals of an arbitration accord, but in the end the body will decide who has violated who's sovereignty first.

This instead of soldiers and ships - the loss of each costs us something whether emotional or physical. What is it to us to give up a small amount of hubris to reduce and hopefully eliminate these costs?"

The honorable Chairman Renar, elected representative of the people of Kajal Mars, took the podium as soon as was politely possible. National Soveriegnty was a large issue for Kajal Mars, as their "big brother" (Kajal) had begun moving in troops to "stabilize" the region.

Or, in other words, initiate guerilla warfare in the streets of Kajal Mars against the Separatist Movement.

"My fellow delegates... I come here to say what I must, knowing full well that I may not be able to go home after I say it. Kajal Mars agrees fully with the fact that National Soveriegnty must be reinforced, however, we are faced with a difficult situation. At this time, the people of Kajal Mars are being terrorized by Kajalan troops from Kajal Prime, who have overzealously sent them in to "stabilize" our nation, which they continue to refer to as nothing more then a "small colony.""

At this moment, it could be plainly seen that the delegation that had travelled all the way from Kajal Prime was furious. The good chairman would likely find it difficult to leave the Accords unless he was successful.

"We must acknowledge the independance of martian nations, EVEN IF they are still recognized by their creators as nothing more then resources to be exploited, or tourist traps! It was us, not them, who built the domes so that our children would have a place to live! It was us who began producing our own goods so we would not have to rely on others!

And it is us, who die in the streets... To protect that which we hold dear.

We must stop the bloodshed! Civil war will accomplish nothing more then spilling more martian blood on soil that belongs to every being on this planet, not an extra-solar Empire!"

The secret servicemen from Kajal Prime began moving towards the podium.

"We must act now, to safeguard our future."

Chairman Renar from Kajal Mars was dragged off the podium by the secret servicemen from Kajal Prime, in the interests of "National Security." He would be tried for Treason against the Imperium of Kajal at the end of the accords, barring any outside intervention.

The Kajalan Destroyer Wudin was holding orbit over Mangala until the accords were to end.

OOC: The majority of Kajal Mar's population is Kitaran, (ie, Nekos). There are smaller numbers of other non-human species, such as Eldar and a few Terrans. The Kitarans hold the majority in the Ruling Council.

He thinks only of himself at this point- although that is easy to understand. What of colonies that wish to remain dependant? We must only recognize the sovereignty of those who request it. But now is not the time to speak.

"The nation of Sunset has one particular desire from any accord, and will only sign one if that is met. National sovereignty must be reinforced and assured whenever possible. At first this seems at odds with the goals of an arbitration accord, but in the end the body will decide who has violated who's sovereignty first.

This instead of soldiers and ships - the loss of each costs us something whether emotional or physical. What is it to us to give up a small amount of hubris to reduce and hopefully eliminate these costs?"

The honorable Chairman Renar, elected representative of the people of Kajal Mars, took the podium as soon as was politely possible. National Soveriegnty was a large issue for Kajal Mars, as their "big brother" (Kajal) had begun moving in troops to "stabilize" the region.

Or, in other words, initiate guerilla warfare in the streets of Kajal Mars against the Separatist Movement.

"My fellow delegates... I come here to say what I must, knowing full well that I may not be able to go home after I say it. Kajal Mars agrees fully with the fact that National Soveriegnty must be reinforced, however, we are faced with a difficult situation. At this time, the people of Kajal Mars are being terrorized by Kajalan troops from Kajal Prime, who have overzealously sent them in to "stabilize" our nation, which they continue to refer to as nothing more then a "small colony.""

At this moment, it could be plainly seen that the delegation that had travelled all the way from Kajal Prime was furious. The good chairman would likely find it difficult to leave the Accords unless he was successful.

"We must acknowledge the independance of martian nations, EVEN IF they are still recognized by their creators as nothing more then resources to be exploited, or tourist traps! It was us, not them, who built the domes so that our children would have a place to live! It was us who began producing our own goods so we would not have to rely on others!

And it is us, who die in the streets... To protect that which we hold dear.

We must stop the bloodshed! Civil war will accomplish nothing more then spilling more martian blood on soil that belongs to every being on this planet, not an extra-solar Empire!"

The secret servicemen from Kajal Prime began moving towards the podium.

"We must act now, to safeguard our future."

Chairman Renar from Kajal Mars was dragged off the podium by the secret servicemen from Kajal Prime, in the interests of "National Security." He would be tried for Treason against the Imperium of Kajal at the end of the accords, barring any outside intervention.

The Kajalan Destroyer Wudin was holding orbit over Mangala until the accords were to end.

OOC: The majority of Kajal Mar's population is Kitaran, (ie, Nekos). There are smaller numbers of other non-human species, such as Eldar and a few Terrans. The Kitarans hold the majority in the Ruling Council.

Auman representative rose from their seats outraged by what they had witnessed, "What in the name of god is this!" bellowed General Zavier "This is a peace conference...but you all know what is going to happen." many of Zaviers aids were yelling, he had sent 3 of them to ascertain the where abouts of the Martian Kajalan rep. "I would have hoped Mangalan security would've prevented these thugs from infiltrating the proceedings!" everyone knew Zavier was talking about the Secret Police. Zavier could see his aids get into a heated debate with the Kajalans he sprinted over to see what the problem was. When he arrived he realised that the Earthers were huge...one of them towered above him by a good head and a half. The entire chamber was in an uproar, Mangalan security were swarming towards them...it was obvious a fight was going to break out. "What the hell have you done!" spat Zavier, his fists were balled tightly. Raged flowed through him like water through a funnel.

OOC:

Of all the things to happen in front of the Vascilians...

Lord Marduk saw and heard everything that had transpired at the proceedings. He stood up and sauntered down to his assembled group of Generals and began to speak. "General Ilritz, please, contact Both the Imperium of Kajal and their Martian holdings. General Spatha, please bring a tactical map to my chambers and General Polosh please bring me a list of our forces in and around the Disputed Territories." The assembled staff scrambled to complete their tasks. Thirty minutes later all that Marduk had set before them had been accomplished.

Marduk and his henchman made their way to the Tactical Diagram. General Polosh chimed in "Glorious Lord, we can get approximately 50,000 troops into the colony within 6 hours, but what are we to do when they arrive?" Marduk turned and answered "Keep the peace of course, these acts of barbarity will no longer be tolerated on Mars...you know this, it was in the memo I sent you. Please inform General Zavier that we have prepared a peace keeping force, get him to enlist as much aid as possible." General Polosh clicked his heels together and ran off.

[ooc: Kajal I love that your people want freedom and all, but your timing leaves something to be desired... sigh i suppose it was foolish to think it would be easy.]

Outrage and fury blazed in Maya Toitovna's eyes. This was simply a repeat of everything this accord was supposedly against. "ENOUGH! She shouted, her voice amplified by the room's sound system many times over."

"Security, lock down this room! No one gets in or out unless I say so!"

Her voice echoed through the chaos in the room, as Mangalan security swarmed in.

"All delegates please remain seated. Anyone causing a disruption will be stunned."

"I should have used Sunset's bunker," she muttered to herself.

OOC: A forceshield has come down over the building, unbreakable by anything short of orbital bombardment. Mangalan Security has an overwhelming presense at the summit and would hve started reacting as soon as the delegate from Kajal Mars started speaking, had I been online to respond. Please don't think you can abduct someone out of this public and secure a location. I suppose it's possible that Kajal SS could shoot him before being taken down by my own forces, since I idiotically didn't bar personal guards from the summit.

If anyone is rping aid to either side in this conflict please use a different thread.

ooc: aiieee. I had assumed that the guards wouldn't be able to get the chairmain out until the accords had ended, so he's still at the accords. He's probably been sat down behind the Kajalan delegation and surrounded with guards.

IC: The ambassador to Mars from the Kajal delegation looked as if he wanted to take the podium to make a statement, but he was forced to make it from his current location.

"As the ambassador from Kajal, I apologize for this... incident. We promise that we will cause no further disruptions, and we realize how important this accord is to Mars. We simply regret that the good Chairman had to say what he did here..."

The ambassador sat back down, obscuring the Chairman from Kajal Mars, who was sitting behind him, with a bevy of guards.

President saQaaolchoura stared in shock.

The seperatist movement in Qaaolchouraav Mars was a tiny minority, and yet, this hothead was calling for the immedite dissolution of Qaaolchoura!

Yet even, worse, Kajal had just made a Martyr of him.

Knowing the way that these things worked, Kajal Mars would erupt in resolution, which would spread right across into Qaaolchoura, with which it shared a long border.

Qaaolchouraav Mars would erupt, if quick diplomacy was not accomplished, Qaaolchouraav forces would be needed. If Qaaolchoura was forced to resort to violence, it would spread into her (used as generic term for nations, saQaaolchoura is male) neighbors, the Kajalan conflict would spread into Qaaolchoura's other neighbors, and any peace between MIDAS and Vascillia, would be ofset by the bloodbath along the eaquator.

If he made a move to support Kajal Mars independence, Qaaolchoura would be forevever viewed as a nation of hypocrites, and the Kajalan Imperium would become Qaaolchoura's most bitter enemies.

If he made a move to support Kajal Prime, two scenarios, neither pleasant would arise. One would be that Qaaolchoura would be tied down in a bitter war against foreign Guerillas, the second would be that Kajal Mars would gain her indenpendence, Qaaolchoura would have an enemy right on the border, and Qaaolchoura would risk losing her Martian territories.

He did the only thing that he felt logical unde these conditions.

OOC: finished here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93540

As the chaos in the hall calmed to a tolerable level of confusion, Toitovna, who had been furiously working to communicate with the Council, the various embassies in the city, and anyone else who would listen in order to broker a quick diplomatic "bandaid," again adressed the room.

"Friends, as you can see the proposed Duma is exactly what we need to help solve these sorts of problems before they erupt into violence. This dispute could have been brought before the Duma by Kajal Mars, and a peaceful solution could have been reached. Thanks to President saQaaolchoura there is now hope for a peaceful solution, but the level of desperation reached today should not be our normal standard."

Toitovna's gaze lingered on the Qaal president, silently conveying her gratitude.

"Let us all keep the events of today in mind as we continue to debate the creation of the Duma."

Maya left the podium and, after speaking briefly to an impassive security official, made her way quietly towards Qaaolchoura's table.

"Thank you for all that you've been able to do today. I for one thought you were quite eloquent."

"She is right - this why we are here."

Several of the guards looked his way, but he had switched to the command tone that said 'listen and listen good'.

"This is why we are truely here, isn't it? For exactly a situation such as this. Please - I would ask that the delegate from Kajal Mars be seated and that we simply continue."

He paused for a moment.

"If we are to continue it must be without the threat of conhersion and in an atmosphere of trust. Therefor..."

And here he chose to walk over to Zavier and stand next to him in a posture of unity. Two of the greatest 'enemies' on Mars standing side by side.

"I would ask that we each remove our guards and agents and sit down together again. For peace."

Quietly security personnel began to exit the room, and diplomatic staff from mangala begn circulating around the room, making sure everything was cleaned up, taking any orders for food (for by now it was long past noon), and settling things as best they could.

The chairman from the Kajal Mars delegation was released, and allowed to return to his prior seat, but it was made clear that he would still be tried after the accords. The Kajal delegation still looked somewhat angry, but were willing to continue. If the Mangala Accords included a clause requiring Kajal to remove its troops from the martian territory and recognize it as a soveriegn state, they would, but they would also cut off Kajal Mars from the gate network.

Meanwhile, the destroyer Wudin was still holding orbit. The chairman began to speak.

"I agree that we must continue. These accords are more important then myself, or my nation, and only once they have been finalized will we truly be able to begin negotiations in earnest. For the time being, however, we have agreed in a cease-fire. I apologize for my actions here today. They were... rash."

OOC: "The Imperium of Kajal routinely executes political activists."

President saQaaolchoura thanked the leader of Mangala for the copliment, and proceded to watch the two Kajalan delegations intently, to see what would occur. The Kajalan delegate said something to the leader of Kajal Mars which he could not interpret, but had a pretty good idea of.

He sighed and felt depressed.

When would people ever learn that making martyrs of people never succedes in oppressing their case?

Jane McCoy continued to scribble notes on her e-paper. She had quite a bit to say, but after recent events, it was not yet time to say it. She wished to avoid inflaming already heated issues.

taking any orders for food

"Fried termites in butter sauce, and cheese sticks with marinara. Lemon water to drink."

taking any orders for food

"Fried termites in butter sauce, and cheese sticks with marinara. Lemon water to drink."
OOC: Hmm. . . I like fried mozzarella, but unless everybody esle has something I think thart I'll have the predident go through this on an empty stomache.

Zavier had cooled down some when Edwin arrived, he recognized the sentiment he was trying to to get across. He turned to Mr.Edwin and said "I think we ought to get some Peace Keepers into the nation...we have 50,000 troops we can get in there in about 6 hours, Vascilia would appreciate your help. Think about it, eh." General Zavier walked back to his seat, he began reading the prepared speech that had been sent to him by Marduk himself. He hoped that this catastrophe would be what solidifies peace between Vascilia and MIDAS.

OOC:

We're sending in Peace Keepers whether we get help or not...though he hasn't read the speech yet, thats pretty much what he's gonna say. We would appreciate MIDAS cooperation, but we can do it alone if we have to.

This entire time the Delegate from Pilon lay back simply watching. He had a small pile of freshly caught fish with him which he chewed on raw.

Finally it seemed quiet enough to make the Pilonese position known.
He rose and walked up to the podium and spoke. "It seems that with issues as they are on Mars, it should be more than obvious to everyone that we do indeed need some sort of arbitration body that exists on Mars. We need to set up some sort of agreement that will be used as a guideline for interactions between two Martian nations without it coming to bloddshed. Pilon has always hoped that MIDAS would be that force, but unfortunately it seems that there are certain groups of people that find MIDAS to be somewhat threatening. (Glance at Auman and Tannelorn delegations) We have reviewed the proposal given us by Mangala but unfortunately it has one major thing that is unacceptable in Pilonese society, the system by which people are chosen to represent us is a random lottery system. In Pilon we have always chosen people for positions based on merit. We refuse to sign any treaty that will have us choosing out of a hat for representatives. In addition we do not feel that the UN is a stable body upon which to base any sort of planetary government, it doesn't work, and favors those who hold the most economic power. There needs to be another way."

Edwin sent a message straight to Zavier's desk.

'We should avoid the same circumstances that led us to the recent problems in Mizar 3. As much as you and I both want to help Kajal we should not do it without their request - at least public request. There is no harm in asking to help first - if they desire it, let them request it rather than it be forced on them.

If the delegate of the Martian colony asks alone and the home nation refuses, we should confer first before acting. By showing a united front we can do a lot for Martian peace while sacrificing only a little time.'

Edwin then send another message to the Martian Kajal delegate.

'Sunset believes that each nation should be able to determine it's own form of government. Because of this we would be willing to provide a neutral force to keep the peace while negotiations are ongoing.

I understand you are under quite some pressure - feel free to simply return yes or no - we can then contact your deputy and make arrangements. Political asylum may be avaliable from Mangala if you request it.'

As different delegates spoke, large screens on the walls of the room began to display notes and information in several Martian languages.

The main screen displayed a continually updated summary of feedback issues:

_Current Issues_

-"Government as jury duty"
Notes: questioned on basis of potential merit of those drafted. Supported on basis of creating a more impartial and less partisan body, allowing the common person to speak, helping to allow good sense to prevail.
Status: unresolved

-Age of representatives
Notes: potential species bias. confusion over "ten m-year" time period, note that a Martian year is 687 Earth-days, nearly double the length of an earth year. Proposed change: "Age of Majority"
Status: tentative agreement from Mangala, vote schedualed.

-National Sovereignty
Notes: proposed body would only be able to intervene in an international dispute, not an internal one.
Status: unresolved, pending further debate

-Terraforming
Notes: drafted limits already exceeded. Committee of interested nations being formed to create a more informed draft of limits. Possible committee members Snel, NGEN, Pilon(?),Darksith(?)
Status: in committee

-Enforcement
Notes: UN system? sanctions?
Status: unresolved

-Duma's powers vaugly defined
Notes: Useful body vs. nat. sovereignty
Status: unresolved

-Planetary Transit
Notes: proposed Mag-Lev system
Status: tabled, to be discussed at a later date

Actually, Toitovna reflected, quite a lot had been brought up. There was some real progress here.

OOC: I actually was planning to offer asylum, but if I do offer it IC it will be secretly and not at this time. If such an offer were made public it would disrupt the summit, for I am sure Kajal SS will not be thrilled. I will try to IC offer it at the end of the summit in a timely manner (assuming the need for it is still present.)

We have reviewed the proposal given us by Mangala but unfortunately it has one major thing that is unacceptable in Pilonese society, the system by which people are chosen to represent us is a random lottery system.

One of the purple Snel "stood" and began typing on a voice synthesizer.
"We must agree. Certain castes of our population are incapable of fulfilling a governmental duty, and must be excluded. In addition, it is our experience that power should never be given to those who desire it. Our system of selection involves determining the most experienced and psychologically suitable candidates for a job. Totally random selection brings in the possibility of randomly bad delegates as well as good ones. We are sure that others have their own ways of selecting persons for office, as well. Why not simply set upper and lower limits on the number of representatives from each nation, and allow each nation to supply them by whatever means they deem best?"

The nation of Pilon agrees with the Snel, decide on the number of delegates and allow us to choose our own delegates.

General Zavier, still red from the near fist fight he almost engaged in chimed in. "I believe the age of representatives shouldn't matter, representatives in this 'Adjudication Body' should be chosen by the government that they in fact represent. Age restrictions shouldn't be imposed because of the facts previously stated." Zavier flipped a page in his agenda.

"The Glorious Regime of Auman would like to adress the issue of conflict resolution. How will it be done? Auman suggests a democratic solution. Each Nation recieves a single vote...etc, etc. Uhm...also, Auman would like to discuss the formation of a Security Council of sorts, though these are just idea's that we are laying down to be hammered out by our esteemed neighbours." Zavier made a sweeping motion across the room.

During all these events, the DarkSithian Minister for Foreign affairs remained silent, revelling in the chaos and confusion. They alone were doing the work for him. Even then, he'd better not lower his guard. At any moment they could reach an agreement, and then he'd have to act. For now, he rose and said:

"Fellow sentients, DarkSith agrees with the nations of Pilon and the Snel. Each of the represented races here has different notions of what 'being of age' is. May be where we should agree is in the fact that if a nation feels its representant is responsible of him/her/itself, his words and opinions are binding that nation to the resolutions taken. Trying to make a universal definition of what a mature being is, is simply impossible. We must not let our prejudices cloud our judgement. Otherwise, we could find ourselves in the position that a delegate is rejected simple because is female, or has green eyes or red hair. The random lottery affair should also be just a suggested method for naming delegates, but not mandatory.
We'd never let an Adept, or even worse, a Null, be DarkSithian delegate as he or she would not be representative. So, in that lottery, we would restrict it to Masters or Lords only, for instance.
Also, I'd like to say that DarkSith Mars Colony is now a federated, independent state inside the Empire of DarkSith, so we are not willing to part with any chunk of our recently gained sovereignity. We keep the 'Colony' part to remind us of our origins.
And to conclude I make the announcement that the ships that made the salt plantings some years ago were of DarkSithian origin. Now in the colony we have the means to increase and decrease the saline levels of the ocean. We are not happy with the current levels, but seeing the turmoil that action created, we decided to let them way lower than we wanted, to avoid direct confrontations and a tech war for the salinity. I'd like to announce also that the green algae we planted has already saturated of oxygen the waters and the gas is now flowing into the martian atmosphere."

With a smile that made him seem oblivious to the bomb he just dropped, Darth Applebius sat again.

Meanwhile, a huge DarkSithian transport ship (curiously identical to the salt droppers), incoming from Earth, entered Mars atmosphere in DarkSithian waters. It braked almost on water level, opened its huge doors and then softly descended to let water in the cargo hold. A few moments later, ten Hover Carriers came out of it and directed themselves to the nearest fighter factory.

DarkSith Mars first Navy units have appeared.

Image (http://www.axis.org/usuarios/darksith/hc0004.jpg)
Another angle (http://www.axis.org/usuarios/darksith/hc0003.jpg)

(OOC: I hate posts with embedded graphics. This way you can choose to look at them or not.)

'That was so obviously calculated to cause confusion. So... We ignore it. It would have to wait until the Duma is ready anyway,' Edwin thought. 'So concentrate on the first statement, and ignore the second.'

Edwin stood, putting in Sunset's piece on the selection of members.

"As far as numbers go I would suggest that we have three members from each nation. It will be more than a single vote, yes, but it will also help ensure that the will of the nation is represented rather than the will of a single person.

Selection should simply be up to the individual nation. Likely enough we will just add a number of extra positions to the bi-annual ballot and allow a direct election by the people."

Taking his seat he looked at the next person coming up, hoping they would as well ignore the incendiary comments.

"Considering this was ment to be a way of getting nations opinion on the table, and settling disputes, it seems we are over complicating matters."

"We should simply allow the represenative nation to choose whatever way they wish for represenative. One vote per nation, as allowing for population, power, or size to influence this would cause complaints. No age requirement, whatever term length the nation wants."

"From their we can pick the Secretary-General, premier, judge or whatever."

"As a name, United Mars, Martian Accords, or perhaps, simply 'Civilization', as a the name. Has a nice ring to it."

¤The Tritarchic Dominions of New ArAreBee¤

Audrey chuckled softly. "Heh. Civilization II."

General Zavier nodded his head in agreement with the Ararebeen delegate, "The Tritarchic Union has a excellent idea...better phrased than my statement. I believe that the installment of a Security Council would be in the best interest's of Auman, Pilon and Sunset...we need a forum for our leaders to discuss our current mission in Kajal. Auman Suggest's that our three nations would be installed as Permanent members of just such a council."

Zavier typed in Aumans plan for a United Martian Security council. A diagram appeared on the main screen, Zavier explained it. "Auman believes that a security coucil would be the heart of this foundation...we need a group that will plan Peace Keeping mission both here on Mars and else where in the solar system. The Council would be made up of 2 Vascilian Nations, 2 MIDAS Nations and 4 Neutral Nations. Those base nations would be allowed Veto power and would hold permanent positions on the Council. There would be other non-permanent positions on the council of course, so other nations can in fact get a say."

OOC:

The Security Council is top on Aumans agenda at the moment, as we're mounting a Peace Keeping mission with Sunset and Pilon.

"What is this? The idiots, they share a border with us! Are they trying to get us mad?"
"Probably."
"Oh. Right. Well, remember that. They may be lying, but it was a pretty stupid lie if that's the case. We shall have to look into the matter later."

The Security Council is top on Aumans agenda at the moment, as we're mounting a Peace Keeping mission with Sunset and Pilon.
OOC: Oy! Don't forget my Heploneiet.. er, Hoplites. Just 'cuz they haven't arrived at the bunker yet don't mean they ain't comin'.

"What is this? The idiots, they share a border with us! Are they trying to get us mad?"
"Probably."
"Oh. Right. Well, remember that. They may be lying, but it was a pretty stupid lie if that's the case. We shall have to look into the matter later."

The Security Council is top on Aumans agenda at the moment, as we're mounting a Peace Keeping mission with Sunset and Pilon.
OOC: Oy! Don't forget my Heploneiet.. er, Hoplites. Just 'cuz they haven't arrived at the bunker yet don't mean they ain't comin'.

OOC:

Well, We are sending in Major forces...also I forgot exactly who was sending in Peace Keepers.

"Our Auman representative here must think we still live on Earth. He's trying to design a system that is basically the UN on Mars. As his propaganda machine is so fond of pointing out, we are not on Earth and we should not therefore try to design a system based off of a flawed entity from Earth. We need to come up with something new. In addition we do not see the need for a security force. We feel that the only thing that sohuld come out of these discussions are a means of discussing and settling matters peacefully, we don't need an international peacekeeping force, if Vascilia wants to enforce the peace it will only encourage more problems and infringe upon our National Sovereignty. All that we need is a means with which to discuss matters without resorting to warfare."

"Our Auman representative here must think we still live on Earth. He's trying to design a system that is basically the UN on Mars. As his propaganda machine is so fond of pointing out, we are not on Earth and we should not therefore try to design a system based off of a flawed entity from Earth. We need to come up with something new. In addition we do not see the need for a security force. We feel that the only thing that sohuld come out of these discussions are a means of discussing and settling matters peacefully, we don't need an international peacekeeping force, if Vascilia wants to enforce the peace it will only encourage more problems and infringe upon our National Sovereignty. All that we need is a means with which to discuss matters without resorting to warfare."

General Zavier could barely contain his anger, "So honoured delegate! what sort of abstract system do you propose? When you have a better Idea I expect to hear it."

OOC:

The UN of Earth is a proven system...Your idea is to allow genocide to take place with out the intervention of the International Community.

Toitovna chose her words carefully ask she spoke.

"A security council, and it's implied inclusion of a military arm of the adjudicating body, would be in conflict in some ways with the pacifistic goals of the duma. It is hoped that peacekeeping forces, and their tendency to get into violent conflicts rather than keeping the peace, could be avoided."

"Much as it pains me to agree with the delegate from Pilon, I have to assert that he is correct. We cannot base this system on Earth simply because the UN and Earth are what we know. We have to find a better way."

"Peacekeeping forces can come dangerously close to violating national soverignty anyway. We already have MIDAS to handle defense of the planet, preferably in cooperation with VC, from interplanetary attack. This body should be strictly a judicial one. Perhaps it could have the power to appoint a temporary council of nations to keep the peace in special cases, like Kajal's, but a permanent security council is not really to Mangala's liking."

Toitovna satdown, frowning. She was not convinced that she had been able to communicate her position effectivly. It's not that the security council was a bad idea, she simply did not think it should be a part of this accord.

Mangala proposes the following changes to the draft:

Section 2. Composition of the Duma
The duma will be composed of delegations from each signatory nation on Mars. Each nation’s delegation shall be comprised of 12 sentient beings. Of these, 6 shall be elected by the citizens of the nation every 2 m-years using an Australian ballot system, and 6 shall be appointed by the governing body of said nation by using any means it deems appropriate. The duma will meet on Ls=0 and Ls=180, every m-year, and stay in session for as long as necessary to complete its business. An extraordinary session of the duma may be called if at least 1/5 of the member nations sign a petition to do so.

Section 3. Judicial Procedure
Only issues of international concern may be brought before the duma. The duma has no power over any nation unless that nation is brought before the duma in the context of an international issue or conflict. When an issue is brought before the Duma, a series of steps shall be taken to resolve it...

OOC: Since Qaaolchouraav Mars is in the highlands I will not sign anything which deprives us of the ability to terraform our territory, seeing as there is no life on Mars to begin with.

"Aumans position on the matter is simple, The world adjudication body would be in fact a court of sorts. A place where nations could meet and settle differences. What good is a legal system without a Police force? or at least a council dedicated to the enforcement of decision. I find that a accord dedicated to peace will be hard pressed to keep it with out at least that Council." Zavier was beginning to get annoyed.

"Let us not yet concern ourselves with a possible peacekeeping force - one step at a time. Once We have laid the groundwork and all find it acceptable, then we can talk of the next step."

Edwin was a little peeved at the Pilon delegate, but he was trying not to show it. There would be no peace if they didn't at least try.

He then sent another message to Zavier's desk.

The problem as I see it is that the perception of a security council is either that of a secretive organization or an ineffective one. The memories of the Earth UN security council are still with us - a body that served to block actions undertaken for the good of the world based on the politics and economic desires of the nations on the council. Perhaps that can be changed, but I would suggest leaving the word UN out of any discussion for the time being.

Mangala proposes the following changes to the draft:

Section 2. Composition of the Duma
The duma will be composed of delegations from each signatory nation on Mars. Each nation’s delegation shall be comprised of 12 sentient beings. Of these, 6 shall be elected by the citizens of the nation every 2 m-years using an Australian ballot system, and 6 shall be appointed by the governing body of said nation by using any means it deems appropriate. The duma will meet on Ls=0 and Ls=180, every m-year, and stay in session for as long as necessary to complete its business. An extraordinary session of the duma may be called if at least 1/5 of the member nations sign a petition to do so.

"While this may be appropriate for humanoids, a public election will not be possible for us. It is not in the general psychology of our species to elect the heirarchy, or to volunteer to be elected. Any requirements for such a system to be used cannot be agreed to by this delegation, as their implementation would be a farce."

Mangala proposes the following changes to the draft:

Section 2. Composition of the Duma
The duma will be composed of delegations from each signatory nation on Mars. Each nation’s delegation shall be comprised of 12 sentient beings. Of these, 6 shall be elected by the citizens of the nation every 2 m-years using an Australian ballot system, and 6 shall be appointed by the governing body of said nation by using any means it deems appropriate. The duma will meet on Ls=0 and Ls=180, every m-year, and stay in session for as long as necessary to complete its business. An extraordinary session of the duma may be called if at least 1/5 of the member nations sign a petition to do so.

Section 3. Judicial Procedure
Only issues of international concern may be brought before the duma. The duma has no power over any nation unless that nation is brought before the duma in the context of an international issue or conflict. When an issue is brought before the Duma, a series of steps shall be taken to resolve it...

The Goutaim's skin by this time had slowly moved to a slight reddish color indicating his annoyance. "This is still unacceptable. Why is it that Mangala insists on having a democratic form of election in this system? We will not sign anything where even 1 of our delegates is drawn from a hat or voted upon, let the governments appoint their officials, if Mangala wants to democratically elect their members they are free to but don't make those of us who have alternative methods of choosing positions use your system."

Uwe sat back and watched. He had been instructed by the Triumverate to watch and observe the other nations and only voice his opinion when the need became apparent. It intrigued him that Pilon had chosen a Goutaim for these discussions as well, as Pilon was in a much weaker position on the international side of things. Pilonia had taken efforts to make sure they were on good terms with both of the major powers of Mars, MIDAS and Vascilia to ensure Pilonia would remain out of any conflicts. Their wokr must continue and they could not do that with prying eyes...

Uwe watched in amusement as the tempers of the delegates rose, did they realize how dangerous it was to anger a Goutaim? He thought not, it was part of what surprised Pilonia about Pilon's choice, the Goutaim were not well renouned for their Diplomatic Abilities or their patience, in fact if one work described a Goutaim in a diplomatic situation short tempered came to mind as a good word. Uwe intended to ensure that all of the delegates in the room got out of here alive, even the Pilonese one, it served the best interest to have the talks succeed. As he listened to Pilonese ambassador's reply to Mangala he felt he could keep quiet no longer, it was time to let Pilonia's position be heard. He rose silently from his seat, waited a few moments to catch everyone's attention, then spoke.

"I think we need to take a few moments and cool our heads before we continue. It will serve nothing to fight amongst ourselves, I think everyone here's intentions are to achieve a means through which we can all have peace on Mars.
What Sunset's delegate said is true, we need to focus on establishing a judicial body before we even begin to think about creating an executive body to enforce the decisions of that body. Any discussions concerning a means to enforce decisions should be tabled until we have hammered out some working ideas for making decisions.
With that said I would like to state that we are not all democratic nations, some of us, Pilon and ourselves included, appoint people to positions based on Merit, we find a democratic means to a solution an unstable one and are not likely to cooperate with any type of treaty that enforces such a means of election.
We believe the way a judicial body should work is as follows:
1. There is a dispute that involves multiple nations on Mars, they come before a council or whatever we want to call it and ask for a resolution to their problem.
2. The counsel reviews the facts at hand and listens to each sides point of view without the other side interrupting.
3. After both sides have been heard an oportunity for a rebuttal against what the other side said is given.
4. Having heard both sides the counsel then discusses amongst themselves what a fair decision should be. They make a decision and let it know what that decision is
5. The decision is carried out, if the decision is not carried out those on the counsel now have a chance to enforce the decision made by the counsel, we can decide on how this is going to be carried out after we hash out the details of the first parts.

The counsel will consist of one representative from each nation on Mars. Those who do not send a representative to the counsel abstain in the vote count.

What does everyone think?"

With that said Uwe calmly sat back down to return to the listening.

"Agreed...People in democratic nations elect their leaders. Do they not trust the judgement of their leaders to appoint some one to speak for them at the Martian summits? Such is the nature of democratic government, you elect one man who then appoints men or...what ever, to represent them in matters of the defence, environment and economy. Though we are not all democrats, I have been appointed by a dictator, though he is beneficient. Our people, and the people of other nations trust our rulers for the most part and should trust the people that they appoint to the summit.

Therefore, I believe we should leave the issue of elections alone, the government should be able to choose its representative. Now, on to the notion of voting. We agree that each nation should recieve one vote, no matter what the size of the nation. Though I believe Auman, and the rest of Vascilia will pay special attention to true Martian governments."

Ferune listened to the Pilonian's words and took heed, it was indeed unwise to lose ones temper at a diplomatic summit.
His skin faded back to a deep green as he calmed down.
Upon hearing the words of Auman he spoke again. "We agree with the Vascilians, let the governments elect their own officials and each nations should have only one representative. Though we do request that the Vascilians please refrain from propaganda and intimidation in our discussions, if you choose to favor what you consider to be Martian nations that is your decision but we feel that such a comment was unneeded in these discussions, let each government decide for themselves how they are going to vote. Everyone will look after their own country's best interest in the voting, its just a fact everyone should accept. We need to get on with these discussions though, what the Pilonians say, though we dislike their government even more than our Vascilian Friends over there (motion to Tannelorn and Auman), sounds acceptable to us.

Maya Toitovna sighed softly to herself. "I live on a planet of control freaks and authoritarians," she muttered to herself, "but there's no point in derailing the accord over such an unimportant issue. She rose from her seat.

"It would appear that the majority of the delegates present today wish to have the delegation to the duma apointed by their various governments. Mangala does not support the idea, and warns that it will lead to delegations more concerned with their own nation's agendas than with justice. However, we submit to the majority. I move that the draft accord be changed to read twelve (12) sentient beings, chosen by their national government in whatever manner it sees fit.

Darth Applebius smiled. This was just an opening waiting to be exploited. He rose, and said:

"And here we come to what it might be the core of the problem.

Justice.

It seems our Mangalan colleague has read one comic too many. Is she trying to create a Corps of Fighters for Justice? Does Justice really need fighters? Can all of us agree in what "Justice" is? And if we cannot, what makes her think that any appointted, whatever the means, delegates will agree?

Interesting word, Justice. When we tried to translate it to the dolphins, it went OK as long as the definition was "the application of a set of laws". But most of the time we refer to other kinds of justice, as laws can be unjust. That other concept has proved untranslatable to the dolphins. They simply cannot grasp it. Their society hasn't needed it as it is an intrinsecally just culture.

Look at the recent near-conflict between us and the Snel. When we raised the saline levels of the ocean they started to complain. They even bombarded several of the transports dropping the salt. But, was justice with them? with us? and, who is good to judge that? Us? The Snel? A third, non involved race?

The dictation of laws above the national ones is the beginning of the loss of the national sovereignity, but even more, a common corps of laws will, gradually, make us all the same. It can attack our national identity.

And to end, why there is in the accords a part dealing with the terraformation of Mars? If the accords are about Justice, then, terraforming has nothing to do with that. I don't see anywhere in the accords about, say, a transmartian system of communications, or a common groundwork for waste disposal (by the way, we can dispose of your waste), just to name two global and potentially beneficial issues."

We agree with the last statement the Sith made. We think the Terraforming should be stricken from the origanal agenda and be proposed later as a seperate agreement to be hammered out by those who actually do the terraforming.

"That is why we must take this one step at a time. We must decide which legal precedents we are going to be following, and we must have much care when doing it. Mars is not Earth, and many of the laws they used were based on situations that could not predict terraforming and spaceflight.

Are we going to follow English law? French law? Or will we simply each use our own laws as a guide?"

"I say we base it off of our own laws and leave Earth out of it."

"I never said we'd use Earth laws, just the basic fundamentals of the system. Its been proven to work. The UN does create peace on Earth...because of the basic principles on which it was founded. Im not saying to copy it exactly. We would of course have to "tweak" it a little." General Zavier had taken off his coat and was half way through his 8th Iho stick. These proceedings were more frustrating than what he was prepared for.

OOC: Welcome to the wonderful world of diplomacy.

IC:
"Let's not turn this into a 'The UN was flawed vs The UN was wonderful' discussion. Any system of law that we use will be ultimately our own - modified to suit our situations and according to our varied requirements. At best we can simply decide on the basics and go from there.

Perhaps what we need to do is lay out what we consider to be international laws and the thinking behind them. Not their sources - our laws are our own and we are looking for the thinking behind them."

Toitovna once again rose to speak.

"What I would suggest is that the court set it's own precedent. We can start with a basic set of laws if necessary, say, unprovoked violent attack is wrong, that type of thing. However, I think we should let the court set its own legal precedent for the unique circumstances of Mars. This may result in a massive caseload at its creation, but this should stabilize after a few years."

"As for creating a peacekeeping force, if such a force does exist, I suggest having it be a totally independent volunteer force, open to citizens of any signatory nation to join. The problem is funding this force. One idea is dues to the duma, but this may not be a popular choice. Actually funding is an important issue for this court, how will it be funded?"

"Regarding terraforming, Mangala has already asked the nations most activly involved in the process to create a new draft of some basic limits to the process (we still favor the one forbidding the use of terraforming methods that release significant amounts of radiation). When such a document is completed we will revise the draft accord."

"I would also like to caution the honorable delegate from Darksith that creating a body to resolve international conflicts has everything to do with terraforming, planetary transportation, or even common waste disposal. If Pilon were to dump their waste into a current that carried it into Dark Sith territory, you would protest, no? This is where a planetary body is important. The idea that it would somehow the duma would weaken national identity is rediculous. It can only protect and strengthen it. Please remember that you are here on the assumption that you have some interest in seeing this process succeed."

"Sith delegation, it is not wise to speak of such things now. If you had admitted to being the perpetrators at the time, we could've avoided any violence. As it is, you nearly cost us a Coordinator, and reminding us of that at a peace conference is not a good idea."

"In our opinion, there are no international laws- only guidelines that certain nations have agreed to. Only a body such as we are trying to create, with power of enforcement, can create true international laws, but even then they would only apply to members. We should abandon the term 'peacekeeping force'. It is just a name we apply to make ourselves feel better about it. It is a militia that we need, very simply. As for funding... well, money wasn't our creation. You humanoids can work that bit out for yourselves."

"In any case, what concerns us the most is terraforming. As we have stated many times, we agree that no radiological methods should be used, at least not on the surface where they could do harm to the biosphere. Putting such a restriction in the treaty will be unnecessary, as we already have our own laws and method of enforcement to cover it, but should be included for completeness. A new draft of the terraformation guidelines will provided as more information is made available."

"We say that all we need to decide upon here is how the judicial system will work. Let the judge and the courts decide what laws will become international ones if we set it up right everyone will have a way of being heard and we can proceed from there. Some of the first things the court can do is discuss terraforming regulations and other such things. All we need to do here is set up the system to establish the laws, not decide upon the laws ourselves."

Finally, the Guildsman spoke.

"A deep insight. Propose we table all issues and discuss solely the composition of the Judiciary Committee?"

We second that.

General Zavier had been sitting here for hours, nothing had gotten done. They wish to discuss the creation of a Judiciary council while soldiers from Auman, Sunset and Eniqcir moved into Kajal to keep the peace. This may or may not be one of those decision breakers.

"I think may'be we should discuss the issue of the Peace Keepers that are being sent into Kajal...that seems to be the most pressing issue at the moment. Possibly we can discuss the relevance of this issue on "International Law"."

"The proposed Duma would have twelve members per nation. Personally I would rather each get 1 vote - this would allow some variance of opinion to be expressed. If we were to go with a single vote I would prefer having 3 members per nation. They would decide, then make their vote known.

Perhaps a lot voting, but when dealing with possible sovereignty issues one cannot be too careful."

Edwin sat down - he wanted to address Zavier's subject but if they wandered too far they wouldn't get anything done. He noted it however, and began writing down his thoughts for later.

Darth Applebius was a happy man. Without need of proposing it himself, the terraforming part was out of the accords for good.
The Pilonese could cook themselves in their own juices for all he cared, but the fact they had proposed one of the key points in the DarkSithian agenda made him willing to kiss every member of their delegation.
" I agree twelve per nation is both too big a number and prone to ties, as it is an even number.
DarkSith will make perfectly with the suggested three, as our nation is quite homogeneous, so we add our voice to this. (OOC: Meaning that some nations will be misrepresented due to their multicultural approach, with parts having no voice.)
Also I take advantage of having several of the nations involved in the terraforming effort to present them with two ideas:
One is to jumpstart the creation of a freatic (OOC: phreatic?) layer of martian subsoil through the dropping of large chunks of ice in areas where water would be cached due to strata composition. We are experts in dropping things in Mars, as you know.
The other is a selective and limited orbital bombardment of the North Pole with no more than two of our BattleCruisers, as their main gun has the same thermal and kinetic effects of a tacnuke blast, minus the radioactive contamination. We'd like to treat the South Pole the same way, but I am sure that it would be very unpolite to bring the ceiling over our 'esteemed' vascilian colleagues, and not appreciated at all.
Regarding sovereignity, we need to tread very carefully, balancing the respect for each nation's laws for one part and the usefulness of the Accords for the other. (OOC: Of course, we strive for the uselessness of the accords altogether, heh heh heh But hey, we might end doing something useful after all. Who knows?)"

I agree, 3 representatives sounds like a reasonable suggestion.
We propose however that we table any discussions about the Kajal situation until we have everything set up with the judicial system so we are not bumbling about. Those who have chosen to move out on their own seem more than adequate to carry out what is needed in Kajal without the rest of us who choose to not send people getting involved yet. As far as we are concerned go ahead and do what needs to be done, it'll get done quicker that way anyways.
In the meantime we need to decide how this Duma is going to get put into position and so on...

Zavier went cock eyed when he heard the words of the Sithian delegates, "We would much appreciate if you refrained from destroying Mars' only clean water source thank you. The League believes the ice cap more valuable in its current state."

OOC:

Liquid water is contaminated way easier than Frozen water...Frozen water is easier to transport . The Vascilian League is keeping the ice cap the way it is.

OOC: I would assume you mean with certain methods of transporting it. The easiest way is of course to let gravity do the work. Pipelines to the city and so forth. But yes - that does risk contamination if the water goes though open aqueducts instead of pipelines.

What about Potatoes? How many different ways can you prepare a potato?

What about Potatoes? How many different ways can you prepare a potato?

Stop hijacking this thread

OOC:

Thousands of different ways comrade! but yes...please dont high jack the thread.

OOC: I would assume you mean with certain methods of transporting it. The easiest way is of course to let gravity do the work. Pipelines to the city and so forth. But yes - that does risk contamination if the water goes though open aqueducts instead of pipelines.

I agree and for the most part thats how its transported, Tannelornian plants harvest ice and melt it. Sending it to various parts of the league for consumption. But leaving it frozen prevents it from stagnating, also it leaves a huge stock pile of water to be left un touched for quite some time.

This is all well and good but I think we're getting sidetracked, we should be discussing the creation of the counsel that will be determining how those international laws will be set up.

We should defend the rights of Potatoes.

"A delegation of 12 was originally concieved in an attempt to insure that each delegation would have a wide range of views and not be subject to one or two individual's wills. We don't want the duma to be mired in vote trading and political agendas. If the majority of potential signatory nations wish for the delegation to be reduced to three we are open to the idea. One nation one vote still seems like a better policy for us however... If a nation cannot decide unanimously how to vote they may simply abstain."

"In addition, I would like to once more clarify our position on legal precedent. The Duma should be started with a basic code of laws, but aside from that should set its own precedent."

stupid messed up forum, doublepost

OOC: Time to play multinational....
IC:
" I agree twelve per nation is both too big a number and prone to ties, as it is an even number.
DarkSith will make perfectly with the suggested three, as our nation is quite homogeneous, so we add our voice to this.
Audrey had a ready response: "While Kasei must agree that twelve is a bit too big, three may be too small. As the Sith delegation pointed out, they are homogenous. Kasei, on the other hand, and likely many others, are not so, and, as Mangala pointed out, the original large number was intended to allow for a wide range of views. If minority factions felt that they were being under-represented, it could lead to further instability. I would like to propose that we consider a compromise: five delegates per nation."

Also I take advantage of having several of the nations involved in the terraforming effort to present them with two ideas:
One is to jumpstart the creation of a freatic (OOC: phreatic?) layer of martian subsoil through the dropping of large chunks of ice in areas where water would be cached due to strata composition. We are experts in dropping things in Mars, as you know.
The other is a selective and limited orbital bombardment of the North Pole with no more than two of our BattleCruisers, as their main gun has the same thermal and kinetic effects of a tacnuke blast, minus the radioactive contamination. We'd like to treat the South Pole the same way, but I am sure that it would be very unpolite to bring the ceiling over our 'esteemed' vascilian colleagues, and not appreciated at all."

Snel: "Dropping ice is unnecessary. The natural water tables will do just fine for the most part, we don't need to add any more water as the land area is small enough anyway, and orbital bombardment would cause the loss of a lot of that water to the atmosphere instead of the ground. In low water content areas, such as Noachis, the Eniqciri can confirm that less drastic artificial means are already underway."

Guild: "Ahem, if I may add? Why do you think we purchased Mangala's mirror? We fully intend to use that to melt the northern ice, when the time is right. But once more we digress. Let us set aside these issues, and concentrate on the Judiciary Committee."

OOC: I would assume you mean with certain methods of transporting it. The easiest way is of course to let gravity do the work. Pipelines to the city and so forth. But yes - that does risk contamination if the water goes though open aqueducts instead of pipelines.
OOC: Hence... The Global Aquaduct Network! (bumbumbum!) Although, I'm not sure if Vascillia actually uses it.....

"I would like to point out that the 3 was already a compromise for those of us that preferred one delegate. Why should we have to compromise again and raise the number even higher bogging down the counsel in Beauracracy."

"The Glorious Regime of Auman see's no reason to have 'Multiple viewpoints' as you all have put it. One delegate who represents the rightful leader of a nation will be all that is necessary. Auman has only one political party...there is no opposition to Marduk in the nation anymore. Three delegates, for Auman, would be a redundancy."

Same with Pilon but the Democratic nations seem to want a larger voice heard, thats why Pilon was willing to compromise with 3 delegates. For nations such as ourself the more delegates the better though as they will all vote the same. Given us more political power in the counsel.

'I believe the Number of delegates is actually a side issue, one that can be agreed upon later. The council feels that any number between Five and one would be welcome. What may be the simplest manner in which to overcome the duel Problems presented here of incresed Beurcracy and the need for all views to find expression may be to have a Floating section of the Commitee, so that while only say Three people per nation are sitting in Judgement over any case, They are Drawn from a greater body which is not sitting in Judgement.

In this way the views of Minority interests will have a voice, yet the Duma will not become bogged down with too many voices.'

The proceedings where becoming bogged down on a simple matter, it seemed to Darvins. So he would attempt to move them forwards.

'Regardless I think we have exhausted the various options for the Size of the Duma and the matter should now be put to the Vote, If only because we now go round in circles. As to membership of the Duma, I would prefer that the Council be appointed along the lines of Voting by the citizens for Two of the duma while the third be directly appointed, this will be the method of selection Tor Yvresse-Mars shall be adopting.'

"I would like to point out that the 3 was already a compromise for those of us that preferred one delegate. Why should we have to compromise again and raise the number even higher bogging down the counsel in Beauracracy."
"We should compromise again because the right decision isn't always made the first time. If it were, we wouldn't have to spend all this time discussing it. Note, the Tor Yvressan delegation has come up with yet another compromise. Perhaps it is the best, perhaps it is not, but determining which is best is why we vote."

We agree that we should start voting on this to make a final decision.

For the briefest of moments, it seemed as though the tables in the hall had shook, ever so slightly.

"Seismic Charges..." Chairman Renar whispered. The shaking intensified for a split second, and was gone. He switched the vid screen built into the desk to a new channel, and watched it for a moment before switching it off, and returning his attention to the accords.

General Zavier, his mind already made up had been listening to the other delegates debate for a half hour...and then he noticed something. The water in his cup began to tremble ever so slightly. He looked over at his men and told them to "Go take a walk and stretch your legs...dont kick the tables for god sake."

Zavier stood, "Yes, a vote please, anything to get this over with."

Darth Applebius was slightly pissed. He couldn't think of a way of delaying the voting and he was remiss to start using the heavy weaponry now. And to boot, some idiot was using terraforming charges too close.
Then one of the members of the delegation tensed, and started scribbling a note, wide-eyed. When he finished writing, he stared at what he just wrote, as if it found impossible the fact that was his hand that wrote those words. Recovering, he passed the note to the Minister.

Upon reading the note, Darth Applebius rose, interrupting the discussions, and said.

"Gentlemen, I just received word from the BattleCruiser stationed in the airport that our orbital network has reported several large explosions inside Kajal Territory. There are also unconfirmed reports of a clash between fighters, sides unknown. It seems the cease fire has been broken by one of the parts, though at this stage we cannot say who is to blame. Seeing that this seems to be mostly an Kajalan internal affair, I think it doesn't need to affect our discussions, but may be some delegations will need to contact their superiors about their nation's standing in this conference or new instructions about it."

This should throw a little chaos in here. Excellent. If indeed any delegation needed to contact their superiors, further delays would ensue. It was even possible that some nations retire their delegations altogether. May be even enough to render this conference inconsequential or its outcome useless.

Immediately the Pilon ambassador spoke up. "Why would anyone need to talk to their superiors about their positions in Kajal when we aren't currently talking about Kajal? This is your second attempt to delay the proceedings Dark Sith, are you trying to stall the peacetalks?"

Edwin glared at the Dark Sith representative for a moment. This wasn't the MIDAS negotiations, that's for sure.

"Here is a modified proposal for the composition of the Duma and it's methods.

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Each nation may select by methods of their choice either 5, 3, or 1 Delegate(s).

These group of Delegates shall form a single Seat with 1 Vote per Seat.

Decisions on how the Seat Votes will be internal to the Delegates and their Nation.

Each Seat shall consider an Issue before the Duma based on their own Laws and Precedents.

In order to encourage mutual understanding each Nation shall write a Opinion that states the Laws they used to make the decision as well as any Precedent cases.

For National, purely internal, affairs brought before the Duma a non-binding Opinion shall be issued. To issue the opinion a full 1/2 of the Seats must agree to it.

For Disagreements between Nations a binding Opinion shall be issued. To issue the opinion a full 3/4 of the Seats must agree to it. This Opinion shall carry with it the weight of Expulsion from the Duma as a penalty for non-compliance.

If the Duma feels the matter is of such pressing need that Force is justified the Duma may hold a Vote on an existing Opinion. If all Seats agree to the Opinion Military Force may be used to enforce the decision.

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I believe I've covered everything - selection, judgement, and enforcement."

Edwin then sat down. The proposal was very familiar - he waited to see who would catch onto it first.

The Pilonese Delegate smiled. "This proposal is sound and just, we agree to it."

The Pilonese Delegate smiled. "This proposal is sound and just, we agree to it."

"I look upon it, and see that it is good."

'The Council will agree to this version of the treaty, and agrees to place it's seal upon this treaty, binding Tor Yvresse-Mars to the procedure here in. Further more we will agree to the provisions that the body set up to determine the course of the Terraforming of Mars may agree to.'

Toitovna grinned as Edwin's proposal was displayed on the main drafting screen. She rose and spoke briefly:

"This is acceptable, in fact it is perfect. Mangala is in favor of Sunset's proposed change. If I am not mistaken all that now remains is to iron out some leftover details, notably the terraforming draft provided by Snel, and we can vote on the accord itself."

"We can also accept this revision. As per suggestion, I present our first draft."

Section 1. Terraforming Goals and Limits
1. The primal state of Mars shall have legal consideration, and shall not be altered except as part of a terraforming program dedicated to making the surface of the planet survivable primarily by humans, but with consideration for other sophonts inhabiting the planet, up to an altitude of 11 kilometers above sea level at the time of the ratification of this treaty, or 8 kilometers above the datum line, defined as the contour line indicating Mars’s mean radius, 3382.9 kilometers from the planet’s center.
2. The air pressure of the atmosphere shall not exceed 300 millibars at 8 kilometers above the datum, in the equatorial latitudes (30 degrees north to 30 degrees south).
3. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere shall not exceed 3%, and should be reduced to human-breathable levels as soon as is possible.
4. Deliberate introduction of any and all species, natural or engineered, that have not already been released at the time of the ratification of this treaty, to areas in which they may affect nations other than those introducing them, is to be approved by the Duma's agencies, after review for environmental impacts on already existing biomes and ecologies and with approval of the affected nations.
5. No terraforming methods will be employed that release harmful ionizing radiation to the land, groundwater or air of Mars.
6. No terraforming methods will be employed which are unstable and prone to rapid collapse, or that do violent damage to the Martian landscape, as determined by the Duma.
7. No terraforming projects not currently underway at the time of the ratification of this treaty that impact areas outside the territory owned by the nations or organizations undertaking the projects will be initiated without the consent of all affected nations, with projects on international land to be approved by the Duma.

*double post*

"Fine, fine! it all sounds good now lets vote and get this over with so we can discuss the cease fire."

Zavier looked at the array of voting buttons and levers on his desk and was somewhat confused...he eventually got the jist of how it worked and voted Aye on Sunsets proposal, Aye on 3 delegates...Aye on the most popular methods of governance.

"Even though fighting has erupted between our two nations..." The Kajal Mars Chairman said "Both our delegations vote Aye on all three proposals. Our internal affairs need not impede these accords at all."

The vidscreen on the Kajal Mars desk was currently displaying the destruction of the capitol dome, revealing the city underneath, while the runes on the front of the table all glowed green.

Zavier had been recieving constant reports on the situation in Kajal, now he had gotten first news of Auman Casualties. He slammed his hand on his desk and became visibly upset. "FUCK!" he blurted out. "I think we really ought to start talking about the current situation in Kajal...171 Auman peace keepers were killed in an enemy ambush just an hour ago."

"I agree, though this is not the place for it. Perhaps we should step to the side while others speak on the accords themselves."

Edwin stepped into a side room, while his wife Tathar smoothly took his seat instead.

Once Zavier and the other's arrived...

OOC: I suggest we move this to the Kajal thread so as to not distract from the Accord Talks.

After a review of the skeletal accords, Darth Applebius smiled. That was not only acceptable, but rushed, and as all rushed things, open to many loopholes. He rose.

"As for the basis for the establishment of the Duma, DarkSith agrees.
Respecting the Terraforming sketch, we must state that besides the plancton, that I can call martian plancton, as it could not survive on Earth, we only have introduced dolphins and orcas. Both sentient species survive quite well in martian waters, but the lack of a purely martian foodchain forces us to feed them. We are still finishing a report for Pilon about some samples they sent us for our consideration as a self-sustained martian foodchain. The only part we can talk about is an animal we have called the martian swordfish, that is a medium level predator. Dolphins and orcas find it excellent as a food source, and taste samples for human beings have showed that, if introduced and exploited rationally, it can become a valuable exchange commodity. But I think that this and any other terraforming-related subjects should be discussed in a separate conference, not on this."

Respecting the Terraforming sketch, we must state that besides the plancton, that I can call martian plancton, as it could not survive on Earth, we only have introduced dolphins and orcas. Both sentient species survive quite well in martian waters, but the lack of a purely martian foodchain forces us to feed them. We are still finishing a report for Pilon about some samples they sent us for our consideration as a self-sustained martian foodchain. The only part we can talk about is an animal we have called the martian swordfish, that is a medium level predator. Dolphins and orcas find it excellent as a food source, and taste samples for human beings have showed that, if introduced and exploited rationally, it can become a valuable exchange commodity. But I think that this and any other terraforming-related subjects should be discussed in a separate conference, not on this."

"If you think it should be discussed, why mention it? I don't see how it relates. If you want approval to introduce this animal into the wild, I suggest you wait until after tha treaty is signed and you can go through the approval process mentioned in the Snel draft. Assuming, of course, that we don't change it. Now then, let us tally up the votes on the Sunset proposal, and begin editing the terraforming proposal."

OOC: I'll have a fully updated draft of the accord (with sunset and snell's proposals) ready for Sunset to post on the web ASAP. (Unless you've already done it Sunset? I haven't checked recently.) then we vote on the whole shebang yes? Or am I missing an issue someone wanted to discuss?

OOC: Nope, once you have it up I'll grab it, format it, and post it. It will be in the organization section here:

www.pacifier.com/~cziller

OOC: Well, actually... I don't like my draft. It is just that, a draft. Stuff was purposely left out or made non-optimal so that it could be discussed and changes could be made. And then there are also the issues of explicitly defining jurisdiction, method of voting, where the Duma will be based geographically, whether dues will be required, and, if so, how much....

OOC: I don't mind putting up a partial draft - it gets the ball rolling. I have a couple things to add to mine as well, but I will put those up after I get Mangala's writeup.

OOC: Well, actually... I don't like my draft. It is just that, a draft. Stuff was purposely left out or made non-optimal so that it could be discussed and changes could be made. And then there are also the issues of explicitly defining jurisdiction, method of voting, where the Duma will be based geographically, whether dues will be required, and, if so, how much....

ooc: I was afraid of that...

ic, but the short version:

jurisdiction - we see the Duma as having a mandate to intervene in a dispute brought before it by one or more signatory nations. The dispute must be over an issue between nations in which one or more nations undertakes some action that has a demonstrable affect on one or more other nations on Mars.

methods of voting - one vote per national delegation, yes? or no...?

location - We suggest it being based either in orbit or [ooc: this is the cool awesome option we really want] within Mangala, a nation that has maintained it's neutrality for over one hundred years (I think, unless I missed something somewhere, it's late). Oh and we should design a really cool complex for it as well, I have some plans for that...

dues - what would our operating costs be? I think dues of perhaps $10,000,000 a year per nation might be enough, unless we have an internally supported intervention force, having military forces would be quite expensive (another reason to dislike the idea)


thoughts? lets get some good feedback out there and stop going off on tangents please.

"Ahem... For now, that definition of jurisdiction should do. If ever a situation arises that it is ambiguous towards, we can make an amendment. I would like to address methods of voting currently. Kasei tentatively supports the idea of one vote per nation, but there is still the issue of how they will be counted. Simple majority? Approval voting? The latter would make any votes-per-nation discussion moot. Perhaps the Condorcet (OOC: spelling?) method, even?"

Tathar sat in her seat for a moment - Edwin had left notes, but they were hasty. Sighing she grabbed the datapad they were on and headed to the front.

"Sorry if this seems so unorganized. I'm sure Edwin has the rest of them in his head, but I'm loath to interfer in whatever negotiations are going on."

She tapped the console, and began entering notes.

Voting - 1/2 for internal, 3/4 for external, 100% for forced

Missing - 3/4 required for quorum, missing ignored.


"Based on this I am guessing his idea was for 50% of the quorum'd Duma to be required to vote positively on an opinion in internal, non-binding, decisions. Then 75%, then 100%. I would suggest we alter it to 80% for binding decisions - 4 out of 5.

I believe the suggestion is that 3/4th of the Signatory nations be present for a vote to be held. That sounds reasonable to me.

No notes on funding - my vote would align with Mangala's. Ten million would be more than enough. I would suggest military funds wouldn't be needed - since the vote required would be 100% of the voting nations those nations would then be willing to commit their own forces at their own expense."

Ferune had been listening this entire time but finally he rose.
"I agree with the base treaty presented here. It seems acceptable to us. We are still displeased with the current state of the terraforming treaty and will not sign it in its current state."

"Yeah, we agree to the jurisdictional claim. The funding part doesn't seem too disproportionate, as troops I think should still be paid directly from each nation's coffers according to the assigned forces.

We still object to adding anything related to terraforming to these accords. They are political and judicial. I don't think a purely scientific matter should be mixed.

Besides that, we are too few to start guidelining something that affects all nations of Mars, even the ones not present here. They might not be interested in the terraforming procedures themselves, but their outcome will affect them. Nations as Menelmacar or Tiburon, with huge chunks of sea and land here, might have objections or proposals that we should heed. I wouldn't like to have BEB, sorry, I mean Menelmacar, forcefully arguing a terraforming point, just because we didn't give them a chance to speak. Only for this reason, I think that all terraforming related issues should be dealt in a different conference open to any Martian nation with proposals, ideas or objections. We are not interested in the terraforming per se, but in the tailoring of the terraforming to mount ecosystems; as we are an oceanic colony, marine ecosystems. Similarly, some, more ground-bound, nations might have terraforming needs for the implementation of land ecosystems. So, unless you want to boggle this political conference with technical terraforming issues that might delay its approval beyond acceptable limits, I suggest not to add anything about terraforming to the accords."

(OOC: In short, we will sign IF no mention of terraforming is made. Otherwise, Darth Applebius will honor his name.)

"How can you possibly deny that terraformation is a political issue? We need not discuss any of the methods or details here, only provide guidelines to ensure good international relations. Assurances must be made that no one will step on anyone else's toes. You will notice, the current draft requires the input of ALL nations affected, not just all nations that are signatories to the Duma."

"The points to be discussed about terraforming are scientific in nature, though they do have political implications. For this reason they must be out of the scope of the Accords. We can use the Duma for settling any political disagreement related to terraforming, as I think all major nations involved in the terraforming effort are present here today. We can hold a second conference about it here, even simultaneously, but I think that the wisest thing to do is having two treaties, one for the creation of the Duma, and the other for the establishment of a set of guidelines that answer questions as "what color will be Mars' sky?", "Will I be able to walk without a mask?" and others that plain people will ask. And the reasons behind the answers, be them due either to some physical limitations or to political agreements between the terraforming nations. The Terraforming of Mars must be a crystal clear affair, without behind-the-scenes politicking."

"One thing at a time is wise - while we see the need for terraforming guidelines they distract from the goals of setting up the Duma. Once that is done we can then proceed."

Tathar took her seat and began writing notes - an improved version of the earlier proposal was needed.

"We find the draft presented by Sunset to be acceptable. How many others are they who need to vote on it?"

"One thing at a time please...Auman doesn't know anything about Terraforming, nor do we care. Please stop derailing these peace negotiations."

"Will I be able to walk without a mask?"

At this point, the Kajalan and Kajal Mars delegations had conveniently arrived back at the accords, and taken up their respective seats. One of the delegate members sent a message to the DarkSith table.

The Kitaran population of Kajal Mars is capable of walking on the surface without a mask now. Larger lungs and increased efficiency over humans makes it possible. Also...

Another delegate cut the younger one off. These were peace accords, not a lecture on biology, after all.

OOC: as demonstrated in Kajal Negotiations, Kitarans can breathe without a mask on the surface. Tis only somewhat uncomfortable for them. There's probably another RP reason that I could use, such as "they are not completely dependent on oxygen" or something.

"We are getting off track again I think we need to focus on whether or not we find the write up presented to us by Sunset acceptable or not."

"DarkSith Mars has no further objections over the creation of the Duma as it is drafted."

(OOC: I didn't want that question answered. I was using it as an example of one that should be addressed in the Terraforming document. This is why DarkSithians want the terraforming part stripped from the Accords. IF we ever get to have a terraforming thread, it will be mostly boring and technical. If we start addressing the terraforming issues here, we will have to wait a long time to have the Duma working, as the terraforming discussions will drag the thread for quite long. Auman, to name the last, has clearly stated that he is here for the Duma, and cares little for the terraforming.
I saw this quite clearly when Pilon told me to come up with something to feed the dolphins. I was thinking along the lines of a foodchain, till I saw more clearly that the only way to think is as a whole ecosystem. Several actually, as the open sea is different to the coast, and there are different types of possible coastal ecosystems. Just the conceptualization of all that is a mind boggling effort, and is taking me quite a lot of time.
I suggest we forget here about terraforming and concentrate on the Duma. I also think we need a terraforming thread with the discussions, the agreements and any progress/hamper in the terraforming, so any interested nation can be pointed there to know "how is Mars doing?".)

"One thing at a time please...Auman doesn't know anything about Terraforming, nor do we care. Please stop derailing these peace negotiations."

"Very well, very well. We did not mean to divert attention from other issues just yet. Consider the draft withdrawn from discussion until all other issues are decided."

(OOC: Yes, it will be coming back up- but rather differently.)

As different delegates spoke, large screens on the walls of the room began to display notes and information in several Martian languages.

The main screen displayed a continually updated summary of feedback issues:

_Current Issues_

-"Government as jury duty"
Notes: Altered, see Sunset draft
Status: resolved, pending a vote(?)

-Age of representatives
Notes: Covered by changes to delegate selection, see Sunset draft.
Status: nonissue

-National Sovereignty
Notes: proposed body would only be able to intervene in an international dispute, not an internal one.
Status: unresolved, pending further debate

-Terraforming
Notes: Tabled, SNEL working on second draft of guidelines
Status: in committee

-Enforcement
Notes: signatory nations commit troops when needed? Small or no standing force.
Status: unresolved, pending futher debate

-Duma's powers vaugly defined
Notes: Duma will set own precedent, may rule as it wishes. creativity is a good thing.
Status: unresolved

-Planetary Transit
Notes: proposed Mag-Lev system
Status: tabled, to be discussed at a later date

That's what I think we have so far.

A new announcement flashed on the main screen, The Anti-Funitist Regime of Auman brings this issue to the floor:

-Enforcement
Notes: signatory nations commit troops when needed? Small or no standing force.
Status: unresolved, pending futher debate

"Auman believes that we should get this issue out of the way. May'be clear up issues of national sovreignty before we get outline a doctrine for Peace Keeping and Law enforcement."

Toitovna adressed the group once more,

"We have prepared a third draft of the Accord, and hope that it is nearly finished. It is being sent to your tables now."

[ooc: I e-mailed the draft to sunset just now, depending on how soon he gets to it it should be up by tomorrow, I think http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/Mangalan_Accords.doc
should get you there]

OOC: That it will. The new version is now up. I haven't converted it to HTML yet, though I might tonight.

ooc: soooo, if there's nothing else to say is it ready to be voted on?

ooc: soooo, if there's nothing else to say is it ready to be voted on?
OOC: The whole thing, or just the alterations? There are still several more issues to discuss.

Maya Toitovna finished outlining the new revisions to the accord, and paused for a moment. Then she addressed the delegates.

"All of these changes, save the terraforming guidlines, which are a work in progress, are apparently acceptable to all. Therefore it is time for us to bring up any remaining issues for debate. It is Mangala's hope to end this conference sucessfully soon, for the need for this body grows ever greater."

ooc: If there are more issues for heaven's sake raise them. This is dragging on too long.

Maya Toitovna finished outlining the new revisions to the accord, and paused for a moment. Then she addressed the delegates.

"All of these changes, save the terraforming guidlines, which are a work in progress, are apparently acceptable to all. Therefore it is time for us to bring up any remaining issues for debate. It is Mangala's hope to end this conference sucessfully soon, for the need for this body grows ever greater."

ooc: If there are more issues for heaven's sake raise them. This is dragging on too long.

Audrey stood, flipping through a small pile of papers.

"Well, it seems to me that we still have to resolve quite a few things. I've got in my notes where the Duma will be based geographically, whether dues will be required, and if the Duma will be able to pass laws, but I'm sure other delegations have further issues that I've overlooked. I'm rather interested in debating the Duma's power as a legislative body, as the best way to get the terraformation guidelines included without putting them into the charter, as the Sith representative has so adamantly faught against, seems to be passing it as a law."

Toitovna stood to reply,

"Regarding the geographic (or is it aregraphic?) location of the Duma, Mangala is prepared to offer up land at the mouth of the Grand Canal, outside of the city of Mangala. The location is beautiful, located at a transportation hub (the canal, the Hellas Sea, the beginnings of a planetary monorail system, a large spaceport), and is avaliable for free. Mangala will construct the compund free of charge also, though contributions (of both money and ideas for the architecture) are welcome."

"As for the issue of dues, I believe the majority opinion was that USD$10,000,000 a year would be appropriate." [ooc: wait I thought I wrote that in, oops, must go see...]

"Lastly we must address the issue of the Duma having the potential to become a legislative body, that is, having the power to not only rule on disputes but to create laws for the planet as a whole. Now Mangala is a strong supporter of a planetary government, but we also recognize that many nations came to this conference with national soverignty knawing at the back of their minds. We do not believe that the time is right to try and create a planetary government, and while we see it as a future possibility, we must look to our immediate goal of creating a viable judicial body first."

(OOC: Didn't you say previously that you wanted it in space? Change of mind?)

ooc: Previously I suggested Mangala, and, if that wasn't acceptable, then in space, in orbit. I would still suggest orbit as my second choice. Sorry for the confusion.

"Due to our proximity to the construction site, Auman will split the cost of the Duma right down the middle with Mangala, I suggest other nations chip in to ease the strain on their economy.

Auman would also suggest an architecht of our nation to over see the construction. We have certain standards that we would like upheld."

OOC:

Ok, you know the buildings in Batman? thats what Vascilia Cities buildings look like. Tall, gothic architecture is the coolest. I think thats how the Duma should look.

Mangala's economy isn't as well off as the majority of ours, so we just want to lessen the load...and insure that there are no short cuts taken in the construction of the compound.

"Wait just a minute now! That's a very generous offer, but we don't even know if that will be the site. It is one of many options, albeit a rather alluring one. A discussion of funding and architecture should be postponed until we have an certain agreement. What do the other delegations have to say?"

"I'd say that an orbiting station is more neutral. We could pool come cash, to build it, as an extraordinary expense. I mean not to take it from the 10 million funding for the office proper. I'd say that we can put, say, 100 million each for building the station, add may be 1 or 2 million yearly as station maintenance, and have it not only as the Duma HeadQuarters, but also as a Martian Neutral ground for any discussion of Martian-related affairs. Should the need arise, it would be a simple matter then to transfer the issue to the Duma.
DarkSith is right now a little short on cash due to certain orbital buildings we are doing, but we can provide our contribution and the first yearly payment on the Duma's budget. That would be, if all of us agree, 112 million this year and 12 the next and so on. I think that with all our nations' joint efforts, we could have the station built in less than a year, and working the next. If we agree on a design for the station. Right now I have only one suggestion: build the station armored, but not armed. This way it conveys the idea of defense, and not offense. Besides, there are enough guns in orbit as it is."

(OOC: Interesting change of heart, isn't it? You remove terraforming from the discussions and this guy becomes a "yes-man". :) )

We still favor Mangala as a location, there are fewer techinical and transportation difficulties to overcome with a ground based facility, in any case, that is not as important as the central focus of this conversation. Is there any further debate on any other issues? Is 10Mil acceptable as dues?

OOC: Auman when you say gothic do you mean dark and threatening like Gotham in batman, or do you mean soaring, reaching towards the heavens/god as in actual gothic architecture. (I always found it interesting that goths wear black when gothic architecture is focused on light, god, and beauty.)

We still favor Mangala as a location, there are fewer techinical and transportation difficulties to overcome with a ground based facility, in any case, that is not as important as the central focus of this conversation. Is there any further debate on any other issues? Is 10Mil acceptable as dues?

OOC: Auman when you say gothic do you mean dark and threatening like Gotham in batman, or do you mean soaring, reaching towards the heavens/god as in actual gothic architecture. (I always found it interesting that goths wear black when gothic architecture is focused on light, god, and beauty.)

We still favor Mangala as a location, there are fewer techinical and transportation difficulties to overcome with a ground based facility, in any case, that is not as important as the central focus of this conversation. Is there any further debate on any other issues? Is 10Mil acceptable as dues?

OOC: Auman when you say gothic do you mean dark and threatening like Gotham in batman, or do you mean soaring, reaching towards the heavens/god as in actual gothic architecture. (I always found it interesting that goths wear black when gothic architecture is focused on light, god, and beauty.)

"Auman is in agreement with Mangala, not all nations can afford to constantly launch their delegates into space, though thats not an issue with most of us, we should consider the needs of others. What is a more neutral location than Mangala? it would be much more cost effective to use the facilities we have already in place here."

OOC:

Yeah, Im thinking like Blade Runner...or old school Nazi Propaganda style building. Tall arches, banners representing the livery of all the nations involved and such.

Building a space station would not only cost more money to build and thus cause dues to be more expensive but it would take time to build. Less financially secure nations would have a difficult time handling transit to and from the station, I say we use this building for now...and build a new one on the proposed spot. All Mag Lev lines run close, if not through Mangala and Vascilians can simply drive cars or take one of the many Ferries that cross the Hellas Basin to get to the meetings.

Double post

"Agreed - a building is also easier to expand than a station. I have great hopes for these Accords and their future inclusion of all Martian nations."

OOC:

Hmm, I'm a fan of big monuments but not dark and creepy. Perhaps a compromise - thanks to an excellent architech during the day it looks like a stunning edifice, but during the night it looks gothic and dark. It could be pulled off with the right talent.

"The Guilds, of course, are supportive of a space-based location. We would be willing to put forth the majority of funding if this route is chosen. However, if the will of the majority is a planetside installation, Mangala seems an appropriate location. And, to answer the question, 10 million is.. let's see.. divide by 730, so that's around 14,000 ounces... ah, yes. That is acceptable."

"I feel I should bring it to everyone's attention that Kajal Mars is in possession of an uncompleted station in orbit that was originally designed by the Imperium of Kajal as a kind of waypoint where negotiations could be made with Martian nations, without the need to expend as much fuel to lift a ship off the surface again. This project was abandoned, and the incomplete station transferred to our care after the Capitol Jumpgate was established, however."

The delegate called up a picture of what the completed facility would look like, and superimposed it over the current picture of it.

"As you can see, it is incomplete, but we recently brought it back into operational status so we could make use of the resource processing facilities on board. However, it was designed as a fully fledged diplomatic station. Perhaps we could use this project, which is already underway, as well as a planetside meeting site? Expansion of either facility would be costly, but at this point, we are still able to expand the original design, as only the production facilities and the crew quarters for those who man them are really finished."

The delegate took a sip of water from a glass on the table.

"I understand, however, that transport to the station could be a problem. It would not be a problem for us to establish a jumpgate portal at the planetside complex that would be linked to the orbital station. The technology is very safe, I assure you..."

OOC: I particularly enjoyed the architecture in Event Horizon, and as such, that's pretty much what the architecture of the Kajal Mars Orbital Station is. At least in the small completed section.

"We'd like to point out the security problems with having many of our delegates crammed into a space station. Space craft are notoriously flimsy, and also an attack from space can come from any direction. We believe it would be in the best interests of security if the Duma were built in the side of a cliff, or possibly partially under water...or even better, in the side of a below sea level cliff face!"

OOC:

Space Station isn't a good idea, The Spacer Guilds have always attended via holo-projection. I've always liked the idea of a Hologram sitting down amongst all sorts of oddly dressed humans and grotesque aliens.

"We'd like to point out the security problems with having many of our delegates crammed into a space station. Space craft are notoriously flimsy, and also an attack from space can come from any direction. We believe it would be in the best interests of security if the Duma were built in the side of a cliff, or possibly partially under water...or even better, in the side of a below sea level cliff face!"

OOC:

Space Station isn't a good idea, The Spacer Guilds have always attended via holo-projection. I've always liked the idea of a Hologram sitting down amongst all sorts of oddly dressed humans and grotesque aliens.

"While it may appear open to attack, it would be quite easily evacuated. Simply turn on the jumpgate portal and have everybody rush through it. Not very orderly, but, er..."

The Kajal Mars delegate took another sip of water.

"If I am not mistaken, it is also quite expensive to build facilities within cliff faces. One has to make sure that the stability of the surrounding rock is not compromised. However, to suggest building such a facility underwater? I doubt that the rock would be able to withstand the pressure after we had built a facility large enough! I know that I don't feel like swimming out of the Duma!"

"It seems our paranoic friend at Auman dismisses the orbital option too quickly. Even if we are known for our underwater constructions, we do not see the need for the Duma to be underwater. And for the protection a hill affords, let's say that shows a very primitive mentality. If I am not mistaken, that "protection" was lost with the invention of the wooden catapult.
We'd rather have a station built specifically for the Duma. Though the offer from Kajal Mars is tempting, after seeing what was under their feet for the Force knows how long, I'd rather not have any surprises.
A station designed with all the plans in plain sight, and with construction supervised by all agreeing nations should provide more assurance about what has and what has not even to the most paranoid of us.
As for being defenseless, with the fleets most of us can muster, and the military stations orbiting around, I think that should not be a problem.
Nothing is more expandable than an orbital station. The only thing you cannot run off is Space. Simply assemble the expansion and weld it to the station. Presurize and voila!
Ground buildings are not that easily expanded, and the price of the soil changes, normally towards the more expensive. This should be specially true for a place having the Duma HeadQuarters built on it. Later expansions could prove costly, even expropiating the needed terrains.
Even if only five of us agreed to the building of the station, that would make 500 million. And that should cover totally, the design, the buidling proper and the rushing plus for having built it under a year. With more, we could have a station about 5 km radius, and that is a very big station for a diplomatic one. Using asteroids, we can have all building material needed on site almost immediately. (OOC: That is how we can build Mars Tide so big and so fast. Darth Applebius is talking too much here, but he is not aware of that. The same with the figures, he is using DSMC's engineering calculations, that save a lot on materials and workmanship. They should have a zero more.)
Now, if the vote turns to be for a ground-based facility, then, yes, DarkSith agrees that it should be on Mangalan ground."

Personally we do not feel that any nation should be allowed to house the Duma in their country, it would be too powerful of a symbol and we foresee problems in the future regarding the Duma's location. Therefore we propose that a station is built in Orbit instead of in Mangala.

We agree. Its unfair to ask that any one country house the Duma. We instead think a neutral location either in an unclaimed area of Mars or in orbit would be better suited for it. Personally we favor the space location.

"We agree that the orbital station is the better of the two locations, for a few reasons. The first is that we agree with Pilon - It is unfair for one nation to house the entirety of the Duma. It would be quite difficult to convene if the nation housing it came into a state similar to the one that Kajal Mars recently did.

However, with the vast amount of facilities in orbit, construction would undoubtedly not take as long as one would think. We ourselves already have the production facilities in place to construct such objects, as I am sure many others do as well. The only real question would be getting the resources - We do, after all, have all the facilities required for processing raw resources in orbit now."

"Resources are not a problem. The Glassmith could have a Bernal Hull ready within a month, and Knossos could turn out the other necessary materials in not much more time."

Zavier began to zone out the responses of the other delegates, though comments by the Dark Sith rep got to him.

"Well...it seems as though you all want to build in space? and that building the Duma in Mangala would be to powerful of a symbol for the nation that proposed the idea of the council in the first place?

Personally I find your comments to not only offend me and my nation, but Mangala. They should be in possession of the Duma as it is their creation. Darksith, please, do not speak of primitve behaviour...Im sure I can dig up some dirt on your nation."

OOC:

Frankly, space is a dumb Idea, its not Paranoia...Terrorist threats are very real. There would be much more security if it were built in Mangala. But also...the Duma was Mangala's idea, so what Im saying is, it should be in Mangala.

EDIT: Double post

"I must agree with the Auman delegate on this point. Are the Swiss looked on as too powerful because of the Hague? Of course not. Mangala is in a similar situation, understood to be the most neutral party available. There is no better planetary location than Managala for the Duma."

"Please ladies and gentlemen, lets not get upset over this one point. We have noted those of you who have already made your opinions known, and the general concensus is somewhat split. We propose a simple solution."

"Most of the concerns about placing the Duma in Mangala revolve around what might happen if Mangala were brought before the Duma. While we would note that this nation has existed peacfully for over a century, this is a logical worry. We suggest that the Duma be constructed on an artificial or natural [ooc: I have seen this on some alternate versions of a blue mars map] island off the Mangalan coast. The land could be deeded in perpetuity to the Duma, and a small district, similar to the Vatican, could be created. this would maintain autonomy while at the same time avoiding the problems previously mentioned."

stated positions - Location of Duma:

Orbit:
Pilon
Pilonia
DarkSith
SpacerGuilds
Kajal Mars

Mangala:
Sunset
Auman (speaking for VC?)
Eniqcir
Mangala

ooc: hey I had a thought... in the Duma will VC get one delegation or a delegation for every member nation? That's an important question. Auman I've never truly been clear, are ALL the nations in VC puppets of yours? Or do you just hold a lot of influence?

OOC:

Every single nation in the VC is played except Escobarland and Hellespontos county. Those two are in existance for rp purposes. Each nation in the League is its own sovreign nation free to develop its own laws, but are in the end responsible to Auman.

Think of them as States or Provinces in a nation. Reps from all the nations will be in a Vascilian Panel. When voting in the Duma all delegates must either agree or they will abstain...Voting would be done in the regional forum. Its up to you if you want to give us a full twelve votes or not...alot of the players dont like to role play in the forum so they usually ask me to do things for them, even though I dont like to.

I know all the members of Vascilia In person so we discuss it mostly off of the forums too...so its up to you if you want to give the full votes or not.

We agree to the compromise sugested by Mangala. Have the Duma seated on an island ceded to them by Mangala.

"I dont think you are really in a place to demand compromise. If you do not wish to listen to Mangala then you are welcome to leave. I think Mangala should take more of a hard stance...

If you dont want the Duma to be built in Mangala, then you are free to leave. That is my opinion anyway...if you aren't willing to come to this great nation in the name of peace then what are you doing here?"

OOC:

Christ...it doesn't matter where the damn thing is, it only matters if you show up. Quit your hardlining Pilon, you cant bully everyone.

"As we said before, our first choice is space, but should a ground-based location be chosen by majority, we agree that Mangala is the only logical choice, be it on open ground or on an island, as, eventually, all right now unclaimed lands will be occupied, be them from newcomers or from expansion of existing nations."

Darksith, please, do not speak of primitve behaviour...Im sure I can dig up some dirt on your nation.

"I must inform you we are not primitive. We are evil. So you can find plenty of dirt about us. We are unconcerned about it."

(OOC: If the ADK-Bajon battle is on a different time frame, ignore the following IC comment. Let's avoid unnecesary timing conflicts.)

"Need I remind you, though, that DarkSithian Battlecruisers are right now engaged in a battle over Martian space, fighting an earthling aggressor that dared to shoot on one of our most prominent landmarks? Where are your forces in that battle, oh most vocal defender of martian independence?"