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Liberation of Al Anbar (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85060) (Serious RP; Invite-Only)
This Conflict started it all. All Fighting in and around Al Anbar will take place there. Troop, Ship, and Aircraft deployments must be made before participation in Combat.

Nuclear Holocaust in Drakonia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93916) (Open RP)
This covers the nuclear strikes against Drakonia (which took place in the Al Anbar thread), as well as the initial conflict between Drakonia and Dyelli Beybi, which resulted there of.

Nekoa Bay Negotiations (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94668) (Serious RP; Invite-Only)
This covers the Negotiations taking place in Reploid Productions to end the conflict between Drakonia and Dyelli Beybi, and possibly the Al Anbar conflict.

Code of Conduct To get invited, post in the here. Lists of invited nations are available on the first post of the perspective thread.
All OOC content is preferred to be posted in this thread, other OOC content must be at the end of an IC post.
All Force numbers are to be first posted in this thread, first, and then once cleared they can be ICly posted here.
All Claims of Godmodding are to be taken up on this thread.
No spamming, flaming, or hijacking will be tolerated and nations that do will be ignored.

Aye. Firstly, DI, I'd like to address your godmoding of forces you're deploying. You certainly could maintain those forces as a total military, but sending 18,000 tanks and thousands of more vehicles is just plain godmoding.

Aye. Firstly, DI, I'd like to address your godmoding of forces you're deploying. You certainly could maintain those forces as a total military, but sending 18,000 tanks and thousands of more vehicles is just plain godmoding.

I don't have any forces deploy. I've sent to fleet, neither having arrived, and am in progress of transporting 2 Legions (approximately equivalent to a Division) to the staging area. The rest are just preparing to move out of the Imperium.

The time it's going to take me to get arrayed should be quite a while. The 50,000 men of the Expeditionary Legion will be the first to the staging area and that will take both fleet, and a large number of cargo flights.

Aye. But still, such a large force would only be needed for a world war...

Aye. But still, such a large force would only be needed for a world war...

True, actually in the second world war there were millions of men fighting in europe alone. I am only send 150,000 to begin and keeping the rest back in the Imperium if I need them. If I am correct I think the US had 200,000 men in the middle east before the second world war. Also take into account not all those soldiers are not all combatant. There are cooks, officers, etc.

Al Anbar, why are you ignoring Eye Ran? I would like a legitamet reason. This will not stop me from staging from Iran, but I would like to know.

Oh and is this map still current?

http://invisionfree.com:54/118/74/upload/p45.jpg

Link to Uncropped Map (http://pheak.kludgemush.com/alanbar.JPG)

More accurate:

http://pheak.kludgemush.com/iz-map.GIF

http://pheak.kludgemush.com/sy-map.GIF

Al Anbar, why are you ignoring Eye Ran? I would like a legitamet reason. This will not stop me from staging from Iran, but I would like to know.

Yes, well, Eye Ran has continually godmodded and flamed OOCly. He is ignored and will always be ignored.

Now, like I said, any attacks from Eye Ran will be ignored. So...

Yes, well, Eye Ran has continually godmodded and flamed OOCly. He is ignored and will always be ignored.

Thanks, for the updated maps. Very helpful.

Now, like I said, any attacks from Eye Ran will be ignored. So...

Eye Ran will not be doing the attack. I review the information and it appears he did not Godmod and he only "Flamed" you after you ignored him for posting anti-iraqi pictures.

My forces will be staging in Iran (note difference of name). As has been planned since the beginning.

OOC: There is a post above this one with info on the Armored Marine Divisionp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1487518#1487518). Here is a repost for all the stats. And most of the stats are based on real-life Craft and Weaponry, like the Dropships stats are taken directly from the C-130J and yes they can hover. But no they cant work in space. And yes a lot of it is taken from Starcraft, but I simply use the Images, all other stats are worked out by my own Imagination. Otherwise, lets have some fun, eh?

For Drakonian Military Stats and those on the Drakonian Legions (I'm not going to clog the threads anymore with them) see, Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74877).

OOC:You forgot too add me to the Coalition list

OOC:You forgot too add me to the Coalition list

It was never confirmed, but alright I will add you. If any nations sending for the liberation have any complaint they can state them, here.

Allright, the forum is better now. Firstly DI get on Yahoo IM please.

Staging is not allowed in Eye Ran if you're going to come to attack me over the border.

Ive asked for permission to join the coalition in the war RP. My forces that I'm sending there (for now) are stated on that thread.

OOC:You forgot too add me to the Coalition list

OOC:You forgot too add me to the Coalition list

Ive asked for permission to join the coalition in the war RP. My forces that I'm sending there (for now) are stated on that thread.

Your up.

Red Tide, it not coalition. Liberation is the correct term.

Didn't Omz222 say he is neutral?

Didn't Omz222 say he is neutral?

Officially, that what he said. Otherwise, he is supporting the Liberation.

Didn't Omz222 say he is neutral?

Officially, that what he said. Otherwise, he is supporting the Liberation.
Officially through the foreign affairs ministry.

Secretly opposing through the Air Force.

Didn't Omz222 say he is neutral?

Officially, that what he said. Otherwise, he is supporting the Liberation.

The warmongers. Not "liberation". Even if you win, it'll be 100x worse than what US is facing in Iraq right now.

Didn't Omz222 say he is neutral?

Officially, that what he said. Otherwise, he is supporting the Liberation.

The warmongers. Not "liberation". Even if you win, it'll be 100x worse than what US is facing in Iraq right now.
After all, you did threaten Western Asia for a piece of territory.

Al Anbar, your last post in the War thread belongs in the Diplomacy thread. Please, move it there. Thanks. The War thread is for military actions, deployments, etc.

I after the criminals like Saddam and those bastards. For what he has done to the Iraqi people that monster to be torchured for until he dies of old age. But lets not get into a debate about that.

Didn't Omz222 say he is neutral?

Officially, that what he said. Otherwise, he is supporting the Liberation.

The warmongers. Not "liberation". Even if you win, it'll be 100x worse than what US is facing in Iraq right now.
After all, you did threaten Western Asia for a piece of territory.

Yes, but...

1) That is Syrian territory.
2) We backed down and signed a peace agreement and have more or less left them alone.

Yes, but...

1) That is Syrian territory.
2) We backed down and signed a peace agreement and have more or less left them alone.

Only after I found out what your nation was (and the murderer running it) and order the liberation. Anyway, I am going to go eat so I don't go flaming anyone, be back shortly.

Yes, but...

1) That is Syrian territory.
2) We backed down and signed a peace agreement and have more or less left them alone.

Only after I found out what your nation was (and the murderer running it) and order the liberation. Anyway, I am going to go eat so I don't go flaming anyone, be back shortly.

Give me a break. "Murderer" Ha.

Give me a break. "Murderer" Ha.
OOC: If you are RPing the RL Saddam, you could say that Saddam is a murderer, since the USA digged up enough evidence for the human rights abuse by Saddam.

Give me a break. "Murderer" Ha.
OOC: If you are RPing the RL Saddam, you could say that Saddam is a murderer, since the USA digged up enough evidence for the human rights abuse by Saddam.

Well, when you consider the amount of people the USA has killed to what Saddam has done (to keep the country TOGETHER), Saddam looks like a baby who has done nothing wrong.

OOC:Al Anabar... I am still waitting for that damage report from my battleships...

Well, when you consider the amount of people the USA has killed to what Saddam has done (to keep the country TOGETHER), Saddam looks like a baby who has done nothing wrong.
OOC: True, overall the USA did made a mess there, and the overall invasion is still somehow stupid. But I definately don't see Saddam as a "baby who done nothing wrong".

Well, when you consider the amount of people the USA has killed to what Saddam has done (to keep the country TOGETHER), Saddam looks like a baby who has done nothing wrong.
OOC: True, overall the USA did made a mess there, and the overall invasion is still somehow stupid. But I definately don't see Saddam as a "baby who done nothing wrong".

Not just in the invasion of Iraq, but throughout their wars and the such.

What of the killing/movement/oppression of the native Indians in the US in the beginnings of the USA?

No outside power has a right to say what is right and what is wrong.

OOC:Al Anabar... I am still waitting for that damage report from my battleships...

What damage report?

And why is everyone using 'OOC'? This thread is OOC. You don't need to put 'OOC' at the beginning of your messages.

[quote="Red Tide"]80 miles off the coast of Al Anbar

10 G-Battleships sat silently in the water. Suddenly, each of the battleships guns turned towards shore. Using computerized sattilite targetting from sattilites in geo-synchronous(sp?) orbit over the earth. Each of the battleships fired 12 volleys.

OOC: Please note that if the United States took out thier old IOWA class battleships and refitted thier guns they would be able to hit accuratly at up too 100 miles. Since these ships are more advanced then the IOWAs they can accuratly hit targets up to 110 miles away. Also my each of my battleships carry 6 cannons on each turret. So 6x10=60x12=???. Eh... figure it out for me. (sorry for thye OOC comment. I was afraid you wouldnt see it on the other board.quote]

THAT!

Al Anbar, could you edit your damages, I don't think I made it clear enough what I was launching at you. I launched three rockets into orbit. These rocket then each deployed three cruise mussiles, that rained down. Now for this to come is near to being economic those cruise missiles have to be very powerful. I was using up-to-date satellite intelligence, so I should have hit something important.

I also find it hard to believe you shot down one of the missiles. First, it was coming down from orbit at terminal velocity. For a sky diver that is about a thousand miles per hour, faster than the speed of sound. At that speed it takes somewhere around ten minute to reach Earth from orbit outside the atmosphere. What all this doesn't take into account is that a cruise missile is bigger, more aerodynamic, and a lot heavier. Meaning it would likely fall faster. The Space Shuttle falls at almost a 10,000 miles per hour. So I would say it would be safe to say that they are travelling somewhere in between that (my calculations put it somewhere around 5,000 mph, which mean it's coming down to earth in about 3 minutes. That is barely enough time to react).

Finally, now you need first to calculate time to detect the supersonic object, then first for it to get into range of an anti-aircraft missiles, then to figure out how to launch those missiles effectively at an object that is falling straight down on you at speeds so fast it is causing sonic booms.

In conclusion, I think you should have taken more damage and not been able to shoot down the missile, unless your wiling to extensively RP it.

Hrm. First thing, I've never heard of this type of missile in real life. Do they even exist?

DI Im here. Yahoo.

OK post here you thread hijackers! :lol:

Anyways, all right maybe not the agent thing, but The sattelite thing is valid Anbar, Just as you can take sattelite photos of my country, say I was secretly building up forces, but than you posted something like "General look at these photos, the Tersanctans are building up!" It would have to be valid, but I couldnt say "Sir! The Anbaran took a photo of us building up our forces." Unlesss we RPed out I had an Agent in your country that transmitted it to me.

Anyways thats way to complicated, but basically Agents, No. Sattelite Photos, Yes.

OK post here you thread hijackers! :lol:

Anyways, all right maybe not the agent thing, but The sattelite thing is valid Anbar, Just as you can take sattelite photos of my country, say I was secretly building up forces, but than you posted something like "General look at these photos, the Tersanctans are building up!" It would have to be valid, but I couldnt say "Sir! The Anbaran took a photo of us building up our forces." Unlesss we RPed out I had an Agent in your country that transmitted it to me.

Anyways thats way to complicated, but basically Agents, No. Sattelite Photos, Yes.

Yes, but that doesn't matter. You can't tell that there is a mass grave under this lump of ground which looks like the rest. Therefore, no. And since all prisoners have been released, except for political dissidents, there has been no executions.

OK post here you thread hijackers! :lol:

Anyways, all right maybe not the agent thing, but The sattelite thing is valid Anbar, Just as you can take sattelite photos of my country, say I was secretly building up forces, but than you posted something like "General look at these photos, the Tersanctans are building up!" It would have to be valid, but I couldnt say "Sir! The Anbaran took a photo of us building up our forces." Unlesss we RPed out I had an Agent in your country that transmitted it to me.

Anyways thats way to complicated, but basically Agents, No. Sattelite Photos, Yes.

Yes, but that doesn't matter. You can't tell that there is a mass grave under this lump of ground which looks like the rest. Therefore, no. And since all prisoners have been released, except for political dissidents, there has been no executions.


Actually optics are advanced enough to do so, not normal light photos, but Thermographic Imaging can tell variances up too a certain amount underneath the ground. I forget exectly the technical mumbo-jumbo behind it, but there was an instance in the kosovo war, of such a thing. There was a sattelite photo of hundreds of women and children that were slaughtered underneath like 5 feet of mud, they confirmed it all later.

But yes you are correct in the sense that I cannot claim that something happened in your country, but since you seem to be RPing as Iraq there are confirmations of mass graves in northern Iraq with the Kurds, thusly is my assumption.

The few mass graves that have been found were found after this war. Therefore, until you take over the area and search, you haven't found anything.

And,unless you're going to search every square inch of Al Anbar, your above mothod doesn't work real well unless you know where one of these graves are at.

hmm, Okay. We'l play it your way, but keep in mind certain liberties have to be taken in Storytelling sometimes. After all, this is about having fun not arguing. :wink:

hmm, Okay. We'l play it your way, but keep in mind certain liberties have to be taken in Storytelling sometimes. After all, this is about having fun not arguing. :wink:

Exactly, but I also do not wish to loose my country because that isn't fun. :P

Hehehe, I know, you wont lose it, IE Surrendering your password. Just RP out a new form of government.

Hehehe, I know, you wont lose it, IE Surrendering your password. Just RP out a new form of government.

No.

I'm not going to "overthrow" Saddam Hussein. He is the leader. :)

OK post here you thread hijackers! :lol:

Anyways, all right maybe not the agent thing, but The sattelite thing is valid Anbar, Just as you can take sattelite photos of my country, say I was secretly building up forces, but than you posted something like "General look at these photos, the Tersanctans are building up!" It would have to be valid, but I couldnt say "Sir! The Anbaran took a photo of us building up our forces." Unlesss we RPed out I had an Agent in your country that transmitted it to me.

Anyways thats way to complicated, but basically Agents, No. Sattelite Photos, Yes.

Yes, but that doesn't matter. You can't tell that there is a mass grave under this lump of ground which looks like the rest. Therefore, no. And since all prisoners have been released, except for political dissidents, there has been no executions.


Actually optics are advanced enough to do so, not normal light photos, but Thermographic Imaging can tell variances up too a certain amount underneath the ground. I forget exectly the technical mumbo-jumbo behind it, but there was an instance in the kosovo war, of such a thing. There was a sattelite photo of hundreds of women and children that were slaughtered underneath like 5 feet of mud, they confirmed it all later.

But yes you are correct in the sense that I cannot claim that something happened in your country, but since you seem to be RPing as Iraq there are confirmations of mass graves in northern Iraq with the Kurds, thusly is my assumption.

OOC:

Heh. Listen to what your saying Terscantus. You have to have inspectors on the ground to confirm the photos. With proper spin, Al Anbar could turn world opinion against you and the "liberators". :wink:

Hehehe, I know, you wont lose it, IE Surrendering your password. Just RP out a new form of government.

No.

I'm not going to "overthrow" Saddam Hussein. He is the leader. :)

OOC:

Why not? You could make a fun guerilla war and RP in a new government that could be influenced by many other...um...interests. Besides, governments rise and fall all the time. Even ancient Korean and Chinese dynasties that lasted hundreds of years fell. Makes for a more interesting story - and more realistic I might add.

Hehehe, I know, you wont lose it, IE Surrendering your password. Just RP out a new form of government.

No.

I'm not going to "overthrow" Saddam Hussein. He is the leader. :)

OOC:

Why not? You could make a fun guerilla war and RP in a new government that could be influenced by many other...um...interests. Besides, governments rise and fall all the time. Even ancient Korean and Chinese dynasties that last hundreds of years fall. Makes for a more interesting story - and more realistic I might add.

Sure, I'm willing to make a guerilla war against Saddam but it will not win. And a guerilla war will give you people the case to turn Crownguard against me.

Sure, I'm willing to make a guerilla war against Saddam but it will not win. And a guerilla war will give you people the case to turn Crownguard against me.

OOC: No no. I mean if Saddam fell then he could wage a guerilla war against the "liberators".

Sure, I'm willing to make a guerilla war against Saddam but it will not win. And a guerilla war will give you people the case to turn Crownguard against me.

OOC: No no. I mean if Saddam fell then he could wage a guerilla war against the "liberators".

OOC: Yes, I could do that, but... shrug.

Can someone explain how Al Anbar was formed and the region it occupies? Doe sit take place instead of, after, or before the Baath party takeover of Iraq?

Can someone explain how Al Anbar was formed and the region it occupies? Doe sit take place instead of, after, or before the Baath party takeover of Iraq?

Everything that has happened in RL is current for Iraq and Syria until April 9, 2003.

Iraq finally halts the US advance into Iraq and sometime during the summer, US leaves.

Also during the summer, the Iraqi Ba'ath party and the Syrian Ba'ath party unite. Bashir Assad, President of Syria, becomes my VP.

I then control both Syria and most of Iraq. South is controlled by an independent theocracy government and the north is governored by a Kurdish socialist party.

OOC:

I hope no one minds my comments. It's just that Dyelli Beybi is from the same region and I wouldn't mind casting in some diplomatic rantings - if that's okay. If not, just let me know.

Because Iran is right on the border with Al-Anbar I can afford to send most of my air and ground forces. Al-Anbar wouldn't know this ICly but I will soon be invading him by land.


As much as al-anbar wants to he can't ignore a country for convient reasons. So get ready to fight a 2 front war son.


This is why Al Anbar ignores me:

#1. I'm bigger
#2. I'm richer
#3. I'm more powerful
#4. We share a border
#5. Baghdad is only 100 miles from my border
#6. Because we share a border mobilization costs are less and I can afford to send more stuff

You CAN'T ignore me AA, I've been rping as Iran for 4 months before you created Al Anbar, so DEAL WITH IT.


If anyone is godmodding it is YOU AA, with your economy you will be kicked out within a few days of warfare. Not only that but how can you maintain such an awesome army after fighting Ell?

Hehehe, I know, you wont lose it, IE Surrendering your password. Just RP out a new form of government.

No.

I'm not going to "overthrow" Saddam Hussein. He is the leader. :)

I would consider that a good reason for an ignore. Unwilling to cooperate with other nations in RPing. But I won't be ignoring anyone at least for now. Anyway, the war hasn't barely even started so the outcome is unsure.

Macabees, you never changed the size of your fleet it's a bit big. Remember where your deploying it, the Meditteranain (I know I spelled that wrong). There are a lot of other ships out there, we want to be able to manuever. I am not sure, but I think other might have far too massive fleet also.

About the missiles. As far as I know there are none in RL. That doesn't mean in RL we have to technology to make them. It's easy, simply strap a few cruise missiles in place of the nuclear warheads on an ICBM. It is modern technology and in fact the technology has been around since almost the beginning of the cold war.

Now lets see if I have a status update. We are now in a cease fire, called by Tersanctus. Red Tide's fleet has fled the area. Tersanctus' fleet is blockading Dyelli Beybi's fleets in their defensive positions along the Syrian coast. Where Dyelli Beybi's forces have deployed along with Crownguard, The Trojan Empire, and the bulk of Al Anbari troops, positioned to repell an invasion, but away from the coast itself. Meanwhile, Galdania and I, have no forces deployed to the arena, although I think we are both nearby or moving to deploy. The fleets off the Syrian coast prevent reinforcement from being either sent in by sea and air, for both sides.

I have two questions, where are Belmore and the Macabees? And did I miss or mess up anything?

Tersanctus, we need to conference on messenger, when your on.

I have a question for the Trojan Empire, are those Kinetic Missiles, modern technology? Because, if they are not, I think Al Anbar said he is ignoring all use of future technologies.

Drakonian Imperium:

What, because I don't want to have Saddam Hussein removed is "unwilling to cooperate"? That's completely stupid.

Drakonian Imperium:

What, because I don't want to have Saddam Hussein removed is "unwilling to cooperate"? That's completely stupid.

I think I may have missunderstood. I thought, you meant that OOCly you wouldn't "overthrow" Saddam. It appears you meant ICly. Oops, sorry.

Anyway, this has been an unorganized mess and while I am going to continue, I like start over in a more organized fashion (without all the bloody deleted, OOC posts, and world war size armies). What are everyone opinions on this.

Drakonian Imperium:

What, because I don't want to have Saddam Hussein removed is "unwilling to cooperate"? That's completely stupid.

I think I may have missunderstood. I thought, you meant that OOCly you wouldn't "overthrow" Saddam. It appears you meant ICly. Oops, sorry.

Anyway, this has been an unorganized mess and while I am going to continue, I like start over in a more organized fashion (without all the bloody deleted, OOC posts, and world war size armies). What are everyone opinions on this.

I would like that... This time in one thread, with none of these IC, OOC, and Diplomacy threads. One thread.

And people have got to stop posting like you've mobilized your whole military just to fight Al Anbar. If you were fighting me yourself, sure, go ahead. But since you are in a large military alliance, please don't post like you're fighting a superpower or anything by yourself.

Drakonian Imperium:

What, because I don't want to have Saddam Hussein removed is "unwilling to cooperate"? That's completely stupid.

I think I may have missunderstood. I thought, you meant that OOCly you wouldn't "overthrow" Saddam. It appears you meant ICly. Oops, sorry.

Anyway, this has been an unorganized mess and while I am going to continue, I like start over in a more organized fashion (without all the bloody deleted, OOC posts, and world war size armies). What are everyone opinions on this.

I would like that... This time in one thread, with none of these IC, OOC, and Diplomacy threads. One thread.

And people have got to stop posting like you've mobilized your whole military just to fight Al Anbar. If you were fighting me yourself, sure, go ahead. But since you are in a large military alliance, please don't post like you're fighting a superpower or anything by yourself.

I would like to keep the OOC thread, because people are making massive OOC post that hijack the war. But I am going to ditch the other two. I will start it and we'll start before all this happened. More RPing, Invite-Only (The list of invited people will stay at the beginning of this thread), I will be more willing to lose, and less of a hot head. I state again, more RPing.

I do some writing and try to get it started early tomorrow.

that was a moronic question. I've actually read the title of the thread now. From now on I'll post OOC stuff on here.

that was a moronic question. I've actually read the title of the thread now. From now on I'll post OOC stuff on here.

Which, was? I understand that once it get's going no one check the beginning, so I didn't expect all to. Anyway, I want to have this more RPed and less my 5000 troops are going to kill your 1000 troops. Which, was a lot of what I did. And also to get rid all that hijacking, span, flaming, etc. junk.

Whats this? Is this the OOC thread or what, and why is nobody posting on the IC thread, or is there a new one I havn't noticed?

I was wondering the same thing. I posted a message to Tras and have yet to recieve a reply (Diplo board.) THe thread jsut kinda...died. Where is the new thread I heard mentioned?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85060

Because Iran is right on the border with Al-Anbar I can afford to send most of my air and ground forces. Al-Anbar wouldn't know this ICly but I will soon be invading him by land.


As much as al-anbar wants to he can't ignore a country for convient reasons. So get ready to fight a 2 front war son.


This is why Al Anbar ignores me:

#1. I'm bigger
#2. I'm richer
#3. I'm more powerful
#4. We share a border
#5. Baghdad is only 100 miles from my border
#6. Because we share a border mobilization costs are less and I can afford to send more stuff

You CAN'T ignore me AA, I've been rping as Iran for 4 months before you created Al Anbar, so DEAL WITH IT.


If anyone is godmodding it is YOU AA, with your economy you will be kicked out within a few days of warfare. Not only that but how can you maintain such an awesome army after fighting Ell?
C'mon Al-Anbar, stop hiding and ANSWER ME!

DRAKO! Go on yahoo!

Crownguard, 2 Million men is a bit much. I looked up Al Anbar's military on a old thread and he only had a Million men. I myself am only initially deploy 150,000 Troops, that includes support staff. Being as my standing army (including reserves) is 5 Million men, 2 Million is a bit much to deploy to a nation as small as Al Anbar.

Not really...were not comitted to any other war at this time. Second, its not a "police action", seeing as how Al Anbar is so vastly outnumebred (and paid us OH so well), were required to send units that actually will DO something. 2 million total, that includes all non-combatant soldiers (aka mechanics, engineers, cooks, logicistic, MPs, etc). So it isnt as extreme as it may seem.

It would be a massive payment and mine includes Non-Combatants, too. It does still seem extreme, but I will accept it. It also would take forever to deploy, think how long it took the allies to deploy their troops in Europe in WWII they had a similar number of men. For a military deployment it massive, no wonder your having supply problems. Guess, I send in another legion (an airborne, 50,000 men).

Hey, if you are only deploying 150,000... I could win by myself.. but because of your allies, shrug... :)

Hey, if you are only deploying 150,000... I could win by myself.. but because of your allies, shrug... :)

Now with the Airborne legion added it's 200,000. I have no idea what my allies are deploy and I could well deploy more troops as it progresses. But, yeah your 1 Million makes it close.

Can I join in?

Can I join in?

What side do you want to join and why? :)

Can I join in?

He's a new Emirate, I don't see why not. Al Anbar, any objections. Remember your going to have over 3 million men defending your nation (at least 1 million your own and another 2 million from Crownguard, not counting the 3 divisions sent by Dyelli Beybi).

I dont see why not.

Yes, he can join.

But, anyway.

If this thing doesn't pick up tomorrow, I'm just going to forget about it and move on. This is going nowhere! There hasn't been another post in the IC thread since Thursday and I made the post.

YEah I admit, its been slow. Ill make a post in a few.

Okay. Gimme some backround on Al Anbar, what he did, why you're attacking, etc. Is he landlocked? Island? Limits on forces?

Okay. Gimme some backround on Al Anbar, what he did, why you're attacking, etc. Is he landlocked? Island? Limits on forces?

I didn't do anything.

They just don't like my leader, Saddam Hussein.

I was apart of their alliance and then they decided that my leader was !good so they expelled me and decided to attack me.

Al Anbar = Syria and parts of Iraq.

http://pheak.kludgemush.com/iz-map.GIF

http://pheak.kludgemush.com/sy-map.GIF

YEah I admit, its been slow. Ill make a post in a few.

Heh, not even you made a post. :)

I want to move on to other things already. deedum

Ditto, many appologies for the speed of things. I've been out for the weekend as usual. I'll get things going with deployments.

Hey works for me...

Here are the stats on surface fleets I've dispatched.

Task Force Liberation, Commanded by Admiral Patrick Halvorsen

IDS Inexorable, Battleship (Flagship)
IDS Retribution, Heavy Cruiser
IDS Blood Oath, Destroyer
IDS Polearm, Destroyer
IDS Huntress, Destroyer
IDS Interdictor, Frigate
IDS Razor, Frigate
IDS Watchguard, Frigate
IDS Loyal, Frigate
IDS Waverunner, Frigate

Task Force Punishment, Commanded by Commodore Alexis Stone

IDS Wyvern, Carrier (Flagship)
IDS Insurmountable, Heavy Cruiser
IDS Powerful, Cruiser
IDS Lance, Destroyer
IDS Pike, Destroyer
IDS Kestrel, Destroyer
IDS Swordarm, Frigate
IDS Sea Raven, Frigate
IDS Dagger, Frigate
IDS True Heart, Frigate
IDS Warrior, Frigate

I do not reveal information on my sub-surface forces, but I will state that there are several deploy (which you already know). My Alpha-Class Fast Attack Submarines are basicly modernized (with the latest tech) versions of the Russian Alfa-Class. My Beta-Class are basicly modified versions of the US Sea Wolf-Class Attack Submarines. That is all I will reveal for now.

Drakonian, you must post what you have in the area and where. This avoids godmodding, dude. :)

Okay. Gimme some backround on Al Anbar, what he did, why you're attacking, etc. Is he landlocked? Island? Limits on forces?

I didn't do anything.

They just don't like my leader, Saddam Hussein.

OOC: Didn't you also threaten Western Asia, and you said that you are "helping anyone against members of the New Jewish Alliance"? :P

Drakonian, you must post what you have in the area and where. This avoids godmodding, dude. :)

I won't say where except when post, but I've deployed approximately 4 alphas and 3 betas. Remember all OOC information can not be used ICly. Anyway, my main fleet is closing on the Straights of Gibralter and I am air transporting the beginnings of my legions in ADK.

Okay. Gimme some backround on Al Anbar, what he did, why you're attacking, etc. Is he landlocked? Island? Limits on forces?

I didn't do anything.

They just don't like my leader, Saddam Hussein.

OOC: Didn't you also threaten Western Asia, and you said that you are "helping anyone against members of the New Jewish Alliance"? :P


Yeah, but this has nothing to do with that thread. :lol:

Yeah, but this has nothing to do with that thread. :lol:

OOC: The puprose of this war is, "liberation". But if people from NJA joins this war, then the puprose's definately going to change.

The primary reason I'm joining this war a bit is because I'm a member of NJA :P

Yeah, but this has nothing to do with that thread. :lol:

OOC: The puprose of this war is, "liberation". But if people from NJA joins this war, then the puprose's definately going to change.

The primary reason I'm joining this war a bit is because I'm a member of NJA :P

'Liberating' Al Anbar is not a good idea. Look what is happening in Iraq right now.. ;)

Besides, no one else is going to be allowed to join either side. We already have enough people on each side.

'Liberating' Al Anbar is not a good idea. Look what is happening in Iraq right now.. ;)

Besides, no one else is going to be allowed to join either side. We already have enough people on each side.

True, the aftermath of a takeover. That's one reason why I'm not sendin soldiers.

Plus, I'm helping DI secretly :P

I want to know if we're allowing future tech or not as we seem to have soldiers immune to small arms on dropships. If we're allowing future tech I intend to use a variety of 'overkill' weaponry.

Future tech is not allow. Tersanctus, I think your troops would fall into the future tech category, can you change them appropriately.

I'll list out exactly what I've got in the area so nobody can yell Godmod.

'Steel Tzar’ Aircraft Carriers: 2
‘Albatross’ ASW Battle Carriers: 7
‘Sevastopol’ Battle Cruisers: 20
‘Stalingrad’ Cruisers: 80
‘Sphinx’ Destroyers: 100
‘Komsomolets Ukrainey’ Destroyers: 70
‘Principality’ AA Frigates : 50
‘Comrade’ ASW Frigates: 80
‘Skua’ Electronic Warfare Corvettes: 10
‘Muttonbird’ Fleet ECM Corvettes: 10
‘Lenin’ Torpedo Patrol Boats: 50
‘Victory’ Missile Patrol Boats: 150
MiG-29SMTK: 70
Su-25UTG: 70
Ka 27-PL Naval Helicopters (ASW): 94
Ka 27-PS Naval Helicopters (Multi-Role) : 42
Ka 25 Naval Helicopters : 28
'Tench' Attack Submarines: 1
'Pike' Attack Submarines: 4

13th Armour Division - 20,200 personnel
2250 T-90 Main Battle Tanks
900 AAV-1 Light Combat Vehicles
900 Crotale NG Anti-Aircraft Vehicles
450 T-10M Heavy Tanks
40 Jeeps
1 NFEV-1 Armoured Limousine
30 Armour Recovery Vehicles
15 Tank Transporters
90 Repair Vans

5th Infantry Division - 26,190 personnel
1,440 ASCOD IFVs
135 T-90 Main Battle Tanks
52 AAV-1 Light Combat Vehicles
52 Crotale NG Anti-Aircraft Vehicles
27 T-10M Heavy Tanks
70 G6 155mm Self-Propelled Howitzers
112 Assorted Trucks and Repair Vans
18 Bridge Layers
18 Armour Recovery Vehicles
9 Tank Transporters
160 Jeeps
4 NFEV-1 Armoured Limousines
Troops are armed with a selection of AKs, usually the AK-74. Section weapons are Mortars, Stinger Missile Launchers, Mistral Air Defence Missile Launchers, Kornet E Anti-Armour Missile Launchers, M19 Heavy Machine Guns.

4rth Airborne Division - 32,400 personnel
70 M777 155mm Ultra lightweight Field Howitzers
112 Assorted Trucks and Repair Vans
160 Jeeps
4 NFEV-1 Armoured Limousines
Troops are armed with a selection of AKs, usually the AK-74. Section weapons are Mortars, Stinger Missile Launchers, Mistral Air Defence Missile Launchers, Kornet E Anti-Armour Missile Launchers, M19 Heavy Machine Guns.

Logistical Divisions 4,5 and 6 - 112,500 personnel combined
10,818 Trucks
3,606 Fork Lifts
1,250 Jeeps
5 NFEV-1 Armoured Limousines

The Poor Knights of the Temple of Saint Solomon - 13,000 combatants
180 Cherub Attack Helicopters
720 Destrier Main Battle Tanks
900 Pelfrey IFVs.

The Order of the Hospital of Saint John - 13,000 combatants
180 Cherub Attack Helicopters
720 Destrier Main Battle Tanks
900 Pelfrey IFVs

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One question. Some vehicles have a 47mm chaingun onboard them. It isn't a calibre currently in use. The largest chaingun currently in use is 30mm I believe. I'm not playing it as that much better than the current ones and basically I reckon I could possibly build one...if I had a liquid nitrogen cooling system and such, but thats aside from the point. Is this future tech in your opinion? If so I'll just assume the vehicles with them have 30mm ones. It would be less amusing (imho), less unexpected exposions on my vehicles for a start (i've been roleplaying it as somewhat unsafe), but I don't want to be accused of cheating.

*Takes a long look at the Dyelli Beybian Fleet* Damn....

But anyways, I just want to try to clarify something. Since, time in the NationStates Universe is fluid. I wanted to say that I was thinking that Ramadan would end just a few NS days (not RL days) after I make my landings at Abu-Dhabi Khristatata. I know that Ramadan goes thru the 26th of November and thought that I figured by that time this would be all over. Anyway, that's what I was figuring, what does everyone else think?

Well, I personally feel that the AMD isnt future tech, because if you can make a plastic that can stop a small arms-fire and a spacesuit with Present-tech, you can make an armored marine. And the "Dropships" Are really C-130J's (same speed, dimensions, etc. Took it right off the air force site.)

The terms or images rather are taken, admiteddly from starcraft. But keep in mind those suits would be able to stop all present tech weaponry, and artillery.

But still, I understand not everyone is going to agree with me on this, so I will change accordingly, to The Dominion Soldiers:


http://www.geocities.com/limajliew/blktac.gif

Same stats as before, 300,000 Inbound to Adu-Dhabi Khristatata

Ill work out the rest of the details when I am not so exauhsted,.

Battlegroup Formation:
3 Type 45 Destroyers -287 crew
3 Jason Roberts Class Destroyers- 686 crew
4 Type 22 Frigates-301 crew
4 Type 23 Frigates-185 crew
10 Amphibious Assault Ships - 882 Crew plus 1900+ Templar Detachment
2 Aircraft Carriers 5000+ crew plus

Minus Templar is 23,819 per battlegroup, and 47,638 per fleet
Total 476,380 Fleet Personnel. Plus 190,000 Templar Assault Warriors, currently off the coast of Al Anbar.

With 2 battlegroups per fleet with ten fleets comes out too:

30 Jason Roberts-class Destroyers
30 Type 45 Destroyers
40 Type 22 Frigates
40 Type 23 Frigates
100 Amphibious Assault Ships
20 Aircraft Carriers

Destroyers
Armament:
Standard missile (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-stnd.html)
Harpoon Missile (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-harp.html)
Vertical Launch ASROC (VLA) missiles (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-vla.html)
Tomahawk® (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-toma.html)
6 Mk-46 torpedoes (from two triple tube mounts) (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/weapons/wep-torp.html)
1 5"/54 caliber Mk-45 (lightweight gun)
2 20mm Phalanx CIWS



Frigates
Armament:
114mm (4.5 inch) MK 8 gun
Goalkeeper close-in weapons system (CIWS)
Sea Wolf anti-missile system
2 x Quad Harpoon missile launchers
2 x 20mm Close range guns
2 x Triple anti-submarine torpedo tubes
NATO Seagnat Decoy Launchers
2 x Magazine launched anti submarine torpedo tubes

All frigates and Destroyers are equppied with 2
MK 8 Lynx helicopters (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86812&highlight=)
Armament:
Sea Skua anti-ship missiles
Stingray anti-submarine torpedoes
Mk 11 depth charges
Machine guns

Amphibious Assault Ships

Description: Primary landing ships, resembling small aircraft carriers, designed to put troops on hostile shores.


Features: Modern Tersanctan Navy amphibious assault ships are called upon to perform as primary landing ships for assault operations of Templar expeditionary units. These ships use Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC), conventional landing craft and helicopters to move Templar assault forces ashore. In a secondary role, using AV-8B Harrier aircraft and anti-submarine warfare helicopters, these ships perform sea control and limited power projection missions.


Background: Amphibious warships are uniquely designed to support assault from the sea against defended positions ashore. They must be able to sail in harm's way and provide a rapid built-up of combat power ashore in the face of opposition. Tersanctus maintains the largest and most capable amphibious force in the world.



Armament:
2 RAM launchers
2 NATO Sea Sparrow launchers;
3 20mm Phalanx CIWS mounts
4 .50 cal. machine guns;
4 25 mm Mk 38 machine guns

12 CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/air-ch46.html)
4 CH-53E Sea Stallion helicopters (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/8a583a9bef2c6f8d8525626e0048f5fc?OpenDocument)
6 AV-8B Harrier attack aircraft (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/5306aebae2b024dd8525626e0048ccf7?OpenDocument)
3 UH-1N Huey helicopters (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/0fcbc129ac3dd43c8525626e0049668b?OpenDocument)
4 AH-1W Super Cobra helicopters (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/a251c8116905c4b98525626d00777b4b?OpenDocument)

Plus, LCAC's (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-lcac.html) and LCM/LCU's (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-lcu.html)

Plus 1900+ Templar Detachment.

And keep in mind that is per Ship, so that is over 190,000 Templar waiting for Deployment. The AAS's are designed to be the backbone of my Navy.As for the aircraft, that is approx. Give or take a couple hundred per aircraft, and now for the Aircraft Carriers.


Aircraft Carriers
Approx. 85 aircraft per ship
Complement with air wing Nearly 5,500
Length 1,092 feet
Maximum speed In excess of 30 knots

30 F-111 (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-111.htm)
15 EF-111 Raven support craft, same link as above
15 F-15 Eagle Fighter (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm)
5 B-2 Bombers (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-2.htm)
10 C-130 Cargo and Tranport Planes (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130.htm)
3 EC-2 Intelligence planes (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/e-2.htm)
3 UH-1N Huey helicopters (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/0fcbc129ac3dd43c8525626e0049668b?OpenDocument)
4 CH-53E Sea Stallion helicopters (http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/8a583a9bef2c6f8d8525626e0048f5fc?OpenDocument)


And currently being deployed to Abu-Dhabi Khristatata...

1st Division Engineering Corps; 300,000 Personnel

51st, 52nd, 48th Armored Division 250,000 Personell
80,000 Mechanics 170,000 Tank Commanders, Crewman.
1200 Leopard Main 2 Battle Tanks (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/leopard2.htm)
50 M6 Linebacker (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m6.htm)
120 M270 MLRS Self-Propelled Loader/Launcher (SPLL) (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m270.htm)

5th, 6th, 7th, 10th, and 14th Infantry Battalions, 50,000 Personnel; 10,000 Infantryman to a battalion.
9000 Avenger Hum-Vee's (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/avenger.htm)
All Infantryman are equipped with the OICW (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/oicw.htm)
Armored Medical Evacuation Vehicle AMEV (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/amev.htm)

1st and 2nd Divisions, Dominion Soldiers, 100,000 Personnel
50,000 to a Division.
4500 BTR-80A Armored Personnel Carriers (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr-80.htm)

Approx. 700,000 Personnel, mainly support. 100,000 are Infantry or soldiers. The rest Armored Division, approx 170,000.

So in all 1,366,380 Personell have been sent on two fronts.

And keep in mind all Present-tech. :wink:

*Takes a long look at the Dyelli Beybian Fleet* Damn....

But anyways, I just want to try to clarify something. Since, time in the NationStates Universe is fluid. I wanted to say that I was thinking that Ramadan would end just a few NS days (not RL days) after I make my landings at Abu-Dhabi Khristatata. I know that Ramadan goes thru the 26th of November and thought that I figured by that time this would be all over. Anyway, that's what I was figuring, what does everyone else think?

I think that seems fair enough or else we'll be hanging around forever.

BTB I have put a lot of work into that Navy, its not that much larger than the US one in the peak of the Cold War, but is removing Carriers in favour of Cruisers etc... and most of it is deployed to this engagement. The ships are designed to defeat standard US/UK shipping of today, which makes the ships expensive. For this reason the other armed forces are kinda crap, the airforce is still using Mig-23s and Su-22s (although they do have some good stuff). The army is mostly T-62s and has very few helicopters. Anyway thats just for anyone thinking it is totally unrealistic.

Also do you have a problem with a 47mm chaingun? As I said before I don't want to be called a cheat.

Okay, I'm going to be offically entering the war. Sure I know I've got to moblize forces but first... What is the year limit on the tech so I can adjust my tech accordingly, being a spacedy nation and all.

It is finally the time when I have to leave the invasion and my role of bombing Al Anbar, sorry. I'm in 2 war RPs and now I will be invaded (ouch, but should be fun). Good luck with the Liberation forces.

Okay, I'm going to be offically entering the war. Sure I know I've got to moblize forces but first... What is the year limit on the tech so I can adjust my tech accordingly, being a spacedy nation and all.

1800

Abu Dhabi, no you're not. Sorry.

Since this conflict has been going for such a long time, I'll only accept a few small, minor countries to join in at this point. Large countries such as yourself, no.

Abu Dhabi, no you're not. Sorry.

Since this conflict has been going for such a long time, I'll only accept a few small, minor countries to join in at this point. Large countries such as yourself, no.

He's been in, since the original thread, Al Anbar. Although, I invited him back then and he's been on the invite list since then. I also made it clear he been in since then, especially stating that I would be staging out of ADK-controlled territory. With Galdania and Omz222 out most of the original players are gone so I only think it fair that ADK, who been in since the original be allowed to join.

Dyelli Beybi, I wasn't complaining about your navy, it was just big, and going to take a lot of work to send to the bottom of the Mediterranean. Your navy and army is cool with me.

Anyway, sorry everyone, but it's going to be another slow weekend for me. I got RL commitments, I be back for sure monday and probably a little sunday. Anyway, got to go.

{Double Post}

It's fine for people to base troops in ADK and such, but he isn't going to be an active participant.

It's fine for people to base troops in ADK and such, but he isn't going to be an active participant.

I couldn't really dedicate that much anyways, ADK has hit an economic depression. Most likely just naval support, a divison or two of troops, and some missile strikes throughout the campaign. I'm not going to be toting in millions of troops, although I could, like others are.

Forces I would send(maximum):

2 Carrier Groups, which is one fleet.

Between 50,000-60,000 troops

Between 150-250 Tanks

Between 80-120 Attack helicoptors

And support... really not that large of a force ~150,000 personnel(including support) deployed.

Al Anbar, I lost major supporters (also from the beginning) like Omz222 and Galdania, I think adding ADK (who is from the beginning) should be fine. Especially, since he not being added he been on the invite list since the original thread. He just hasn't been okay to send in troops. Anyway, looks like he's committing 1/4 or less of the number of troops I will be committing.

Sorry, to be wining, but it doesn't look I still have any support. Anyway, I going to trying get this war started. I will be RPing my fleet moving toward Turkey.

Dyelli Beybi, if you don't respond to recent movements of my fleet by late tomorrow I am going to consider it passed you subs just fine and I'll RP it's arrival in Turkey.

what is the fleet anyway, does it include transports or is it just warships and how much of each? The sub crews aren't going to move if its only warships, but if its say a huge fleet of transports then they might, (depending on how cowardly I want them to be at the time). Dyelli Beybi has satelites (albeit crap ones) but probably would know this much at least. I will post what the fleet is doing once you announce this. Please don't claim to have arrived in Turkey in the meanwhile.

what is the fleet anyway, does it include transports or is it just warships and how much of each?

The warships I listed earlier, 5 submarines, and transports. I haven't worked how how many or what kind of transports, yet. I work it all up tomorrow (when I have time), and post a link.

This is my main fleet:

Task Force Liberation, Commanded by Admiral Patrick Halvorsen

IDS Inexorable, Battleship (Flagship)
IDS Retribution, Heavy Cruiser
IDS Blood Oath, Destroyer
IDS Polearm, Destroyer
IDS Huntress, Destroyer
IDS Interdictor, Frigate
IDS Razor, Frigate
IDS Watchguard, Frigate
IDS Loyal, Frigate
IDS Waverunner, Frigate

Task Force Punishment, Commanded by Commodore Alexis Stone

IDS Wyvern, Carrier (Flagship)
IDS Insurmountable, Heavy Cruiser
IDS Powerful, Cruiser
IDS Lance, Destroyer
IDS Pike, Destroyer
IDS Kestrel, Destroyer
IDS Swordarm, Frigate
IDS Sea Raven, Frigate
IDS Dagger, Frigate
IDS True Heart, Frigate
IDS Warrior, Frigate

Task Force Forced Landing, Commanded by General Patrick Santiago

IDS Beachhead, Amphibious Assault Ship (Flagship)
IDS Marine, Amphibious Assault Ship
IDS Amphibian, Amphibious Assault Ship
IDS Sea Striker, Amphibious Assault Ship
IDS Caribbean, Troop Transport
IDS Sea Cruise, Troop Transport
IDS Salem, Troop Transport
IDS Portland, Troop Transport
IDS Augusta, Light Amphibious Assault Ship
IDS Port-of-Spain, Light Amphibious Assault Ship
IDS Sava, Light Amphibious Assault Ship
IDS Golan Heights, Light Amphibious Assault Ship
IDS Annexure, Amphibious Dock Ship
IDS Ferry, Amphibious Dock Ship
IDS Bubble Bee, Military Transport
IDS Sea Orc, Military Transport
IDS Supplier, Supply Ship
IDS Crate Hauler, Supply Ship
IDS Postal, Supply Ship
IDS Healer, Hospital Ship

Task Force Bubble, Captain Terrance Locke
IDS Beta, Attack Submarine (Flagship)
IDS Sutherland, Attack Submarine
IDS William, Attack Submarine
IDS Alpha, Fast Attack Submarine
IDS Quicksilver, Fast Attack Submarine
IDS Striker, Fast Attack Submarine

and my fleet already deep in the Mediterranean (with or near the Tersanctan fleet):

IDS Coral Snake, Advanced Missile Destroyer
IDS Sapphire, Destroyer
IDS Knife, Frigate
IDS Hunting Knife, Frigate
IDS Arrowhead, Figate
IDS Elemental, Attack Submarine
IDS Flashfire, Fast Attack Submarine

Stats for each ship available: Imperial Drakonian Navy (http://invisionfree.com/forums/United_Emirates/index.php?showtopic=20)

EDIT: I've done some edit changing around the supply/transport task force, nothing major just different ships. Also my Navy info move from National Factfile: Dominion of Drakonian Imperium (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1636831#1636831) to the above link. Oh and I change of name of the destroyer already with the Tersanctans.

Dyelli Beybi, you going to attack my fleet at Sicily?

I couldn't really dedicate that much anyways, ADK has hit an economic depression. Most likely just naval support, a divison or two of troops, and some missile strikes throughout the campaign. I'm not going to be toting in millions of troops, although I could, like others are.

Forces I would send(maximum):

2 Carrier Groups, which is one fleet.

Between 50,000-60,000 troops

Between 150-250 Tanks

Between 80-120 Attack helicoptors

And support... really not that large of a force ~150,000 personnel(including support) deployed.

Al Anbar, what's your final response on this? Oh and do you have any objection to the Belmore Family which has been involved from the start, they will have to deploy and that's likely to take a while. I also going to ask Fyreheart to commit forces shortly, but for now it will just be me, tersanctus, and ADK.

[OOC: I noticed this conflict while doing background checks on Al Anbar, but never thought to involve myself.

Since the 17th of October, Al Anbar has been involved in the Boroglian crisis (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82501&start=0/)

As far as I can see, Al Anbar has yet to inform you that a total of


75,000 troops
300 T-72M1 tanks
200 T-80UD tanks
100 BMP-1 AIFVs
150 BMP-2 AIFVs
500 MTLB APCs
50 122mm artillery pieces
100 130mm artillery pieces

Of his forces are stationed in Central Boroglia. As of yesterday, Hrstrovokia has offically resumed it's war with Al Anbar, and is awaiting Confederate authority to unleash 230,000 soldiers in an offensive planned to finish the conflict.

So Al Anbar is fighting two wars then?

He is now. I have notice the Boroglian crisis in my own background checks of Al Anbar, but I haven't had time to review it. I thank you for the further information on it, I assure you it will be put to good use. Could you offer me a quick summary of the Boroglian crisis?

Also, would like to inform you that Al Anbar is blockade in the Mediterranean, but this has his Bazra access to the Persian Gulf.

Okay, lets slow this down a little I about to switch was a T1 to a cruddy 56k that disconnects every couple of minutes.

Anyway, Al Anbar here's your summary.

- Ramadan Ended
- Drakonian Declared War on Al Anbar only.
- Drakonian Launched Cruise Missile equipped ICBMs at Al Anbar military position. (You will need to read the post to post your causalties on those.)
- Drakonian Troops attack south from Turkey. (See Post for Details.)
- Drakonian Fleet rushes to back up Tersanctus Fleet, see battle expected shortly.
- Dyelli Beybi and Axe Weilding Maniacs mistook Drakonian Missiles as Nuclear Weapons and responded by launching over two hundred nukes at Drakonia.
- Two Drakonian Cities were hit.
- War escalates.

OOC:

Sorry to intrude upon this thread. Did you, Drakonian Imperium, want to create a seperate OOC thread for the stuff related to the nuclear missiles and possible attack of the FKC or do you want to keep it here?

OOC:

Sorry to intrude upon this thread. Did you, Drakonian Imperium, want to create a seperate OOC thread for the stuff related to the nuclear missiles and possible attack of the FKC or do you want to keep it here?

Here works.

Okay. There seems to be a lot of future tech folks wanting to get in on the action here, such as Scandinavian States. Has Dyelli Beybi contacted you about tech levels?

Personally, I'd rather keep it modern, but if I bring in some allies (to counter the ones eager to enter the fray) well, they are future tech and then this could possibly become a big stupid ignore fest. I'd rather that didn't happen.

Okay. There seems to be a lot of future tech folks wanting to get in on the action here, such as Scandinavian States. Has Dyelli Beybi contacted you about tech levels?

Personally, I'd rather keep it modern, but if I bring in some allies (to counter the ones eager to enter the fray) well, they are future tech and then this could possibly become a big stupid ignore fest. I'd rather that didn't happen.

I haven't talked to Dyelli about it yet, but SS is only commiting his forces to defend against future nuclear strikes against Drakonia. Not engage in the war. But, he really won't be able to help much anyway as Drakonia is pretty much an equatorial nation.

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Okay. There seems to be a lot of future tech folks wanting to get in on the action here, such as Scandinavian States. Has Dyelli Beybi contacted you about tech levels?

Personally, I'd rather keep it modern, but if I bring in some allies (to counter the ones eager to enter the fray) well, they are future tech and then this could possibly become a big stupid ignore fest. I'd rather that didn't happen.

I haven't talked to Dyelli about it yet, but SS is only commiting his forces to defend against future nuclear strikes against Drakonia. Not engage in the war. But, he really won't be able to help much anyway as Drakonia is pretty much an equatorial nation.

what about Tersanctus? He's a future-tech nation, is he not?

DI: Cuban missile crisis. all american nuclear forces put on ready to lauch. now, that was just 'caus there were missiles there, presumabley nukes (They were nukes, but US didn't know for sure). Now what would have happened if one had been launched, and if the US was already involved in a war down there? Byebye russia. now, dyelli Beybi has a cold war mentality. You were not far shy of being at war with him (He termed it a minor unrest in the region, you probably termed it "ensuring the freedom and security of the region", the fact is, you were about to shoot at each other. Then you launch ICBMs. not the smartest move. In fact, it sounds like something the Tzar would do, given his charachter. This is something that has long puzzled me. Why do all the NS countries standing for "peace and freedom" tend to jump into wars, while those ruled by "psychotic dictators" avoid them? This is the opposite of RL. Menelmecar (the elves shall save you) is about 10 times as warlike as Melkor Unchained (ultimate dark lord from tolkein)

Vrak, yes I think Tersanctus is semi-future tech. He RPs a lot of future tech, but also does some modern (i.e. Al Anbar Crisis).

Fasta Benj, Vrak is a non-corrupt nation that does RP try to stop a lot of wars (at least it seems that way). Also, in my own defense, the wars I RP (not really a lot so far), are against corrupt oppressive regimes (i.e. Al Anbar, the Raeman Dark Eldar, Dyelli Beybi...oops, did I say that).

Also Melkor shouldn't count, every time he is posts once, he is spammed to death with OOC content.

To clear the record for my future-tech record, I RP with what I feel could be present -tech, were the R&D behind it more intense, At first yeah I had Battlecruisers and such, which I have began to let go of.

But I also produce weaponry that is a bit advanced, but is in existence, such as the Arsenal Ship and Objective Individual Combat Weapon, which is little more than a M-16 with a grenade launcher modified.

Keep in mind If you want to base it on the American Economy and Technology, I have a population 4 times its size with an Economy 4 times its GDP, for example the Armored Marine Division wich is basically the Terran Marine from Starcraft, I dont personally think is "Future-Tech" in the sense that we have space-suits and Plastics that can serve as body Armor, and computers that can tell soldiers where the enemy is on the Battlefield, if you put it together, though expensive you could create an Armored Marine with Present-Tech.

Creativity is the Key. As for Future-Tech, I washed my hands of the Space-Faring stuff a while ago. I will maintain an Advanced Machine of War, and it will all be either in existence or grounded in reality, but I wont be attacking with Helios BC's from Space anytime soon.

To clear the record for my future-tech record, I RP with what I feel could be present -tech, were the R&D behind it more intense, At first yeah I had Battlecruisers and such, which I have began to let go of.

But I also produce weaponry that is a bit advanced, but is in existence, such as the Arsenal Ship and Objective Individual Combat Weapon, which is little more than a M-16 with a grenade launcher modified.

Keep in mind If you want to base it on the American Economy and Technology, I have a population 4 times its size with an Economy 4 times its GDP, for example the Armored Marine Division wich is basically the Terran Marine from Starcraft, I dont personally think is "Future-Tech" in the sense that we have space-suits and Plastics that can serve as body Armor, and computers that can tell soldiers where the enemy is on the Battlefield, if you put it together, though expensive you could create an Armored Marine with Present-Tech.

Creativity is the Key. As for Future-Tech, I washed my hands of the Space-Faring stuff a while ago. I will maintain an Advanced Machine of War, and it will all be either in existence or grounded in reality, but I wont be attacking with Helios BC's from Space anytime soon.

Armoured Starcraft marines eh? Hmmm. I honestly don’t want to quibble too much over future tech since I want the story to flow but certainly if you will be allowed that, then I would think it’s only fair for me to bring in allies that are about the same level – or who are willing to adjust accordingly.

Armored marines? Uh, no. That's not present-tech. That is future tech. Simple.

Armored marines? Uh, no. That's not present-tech. That is future tech. Simple.

Al Anbar, you never answered me finally on ADK, please go back and read what he post in this thread and reply.

Armored marines? Uh, no. That's not present-tech. That is future tech. Simple.

Not neccessarily. Its easily arguable for either way. But since everyone has a problem with it...fine there will be no AMD anymore. Well not in the Armored suit sense, but I will maintain an Armored Marine Division, I will just have to switch some things around.....But for the time being the Templar will be my Warrior Elite.

Armored marines? Uh, no. That's not present-tech. That is future tech. Simple.

Not neccessarily. Its easily arguable for either way. But since everyone has a problem with it...fine there will be no AMD anymore. Well not in the Armored suit sense, but I will maintain an Armored Marine Division, I will just have to switch some things around.....But for the time being the Templar will be my Warrior Elite.

Please don't be so quick to assume that everyone has a "problem" with your armoured marines. I just want to ensure a bit more level playing field. That's it.

Well, it just seems that way to me Vrak. Nothing to you personally, to keep everyone happy, It will be present-tech rules. If it dont exist, it isnt RP'ed.

But certain exeptions, if it can exist I.E. Cruise missiles in an ICBM its ok. If you wanna put C4 on a bicycle, and call it an 'infested terran' as a suicide bomber,thats fine.

If you want to have one of your corporations develop plastics into bulletproof armor (Kevlar being one example.) And lets say make it into a suit, to provide all-over protection because thats just logical on the battlefield. And lets say provide the suit with Computer assisted targeting, like we now have with the current Land Warrior project (21 CLW). (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/land-warrior.htm) Than thats obviously just god-modding, illogical future-tech because we have it currently, and a nation with 4 times as much money as America clearly does not have the resources to produce such a thing. Simple.

God, what a stupid RP. Dyelli, you're an idiot.

I said no WMDs. Now what happens? You use nuclear weapons and cause Crownguard to leave. Really, if you can't read the rules, why are you even in this? No WMDs. It was quite simple.

Now, Tersanctus...

Uh, right. The "Land Warrior" thing is more or less fine. But that is all. Nothing from 'Starcraft' or anything else.

OOC: Im sorry Al Anbar...but IC we would never work with an ally who launched a nuclear strike agaisnt another nation. It is not personal to you, and has everything to do with your thoughtless ally. Please see it as such, and not a "backstab"...because I DID intend to commit to your side.

OOC: Im sorry Al Anbar...but IC we would never work with an ally who launched a nuclear strike agaisnt another nation. It is not personal to you, and has everything to do with your thoughtless ally. Please see it as such, and not a "backstab"...because I DID intend to commit to your side.

No, you did backstab me. Whether he used it or not, we had a deal. Though, Dyelli is an idiot, you have 'betrayed' me and that is how it will go, I guess. What a useless, one sided war that has dragged on and on.

There are some deals that cannot stay binding, and there are some things we cannot condone, nuclear weapons are one of those things. As for treason..well....history is judged by the victors, and I believe it is easy to see which side the wind favors.

Honor is most important to us, and we stated clearly in the contract that dishonorable conduct is grounds for the revoking of a contract. Such was the case here.

It's fine for people to base troops in ADK and such, but he isn't going to be an active participant.

I couldn't really dedicate that much anyways, ADK has hit an economic depression. Most likely just naval support, a divison or two of troops, and some missile strikes throughout the campaign. I'm not going to be toting in millions of troops, although I could, like others are.

Forces I would send(maximum):

2 Carrier Groups, which is one fleet.

Between 50,000-60,000 troops

Between 150-250 Tanks

Between 80-120 Attack helicoptors

And support... really not that large of a force ~150,000 personnel(including support) deployed.

Al Anbar, please give me a final answer. I'll understand either way, I just want to tell ADK, when I inform him about the SCUD attacks you launched (so he can report damages).

OOC: I posted something to Tersanctus ont he main thread, if he is still up.....

It's fine for people to base troops in ADK and such, but he isn't going to be an active participant.

I couldn't really dedicate that much anyways, ADK has hit an economic depression. Most likely just naval support, a divison or two of troops, and some missile strikes throughout the campaign. I'm not going to be toting in millions of troops, although I could, like others are.

Forces I would send(maximum):

2 Carrier Groups, which is one fleet.

Between 50,000-60,000 troops

Between 150-250 Tanks

Between 80-120 Attack helicoptors

And support... really not that large of a force ~150,000 personnel(including support) deployed.

Al Anbar, please give me a final answer. I'll understand either way, I just want to tell ADK, when I inform him about the SCUD attacks you launched (so he can report damages).

Whatever. He can join. It's not like I'm going to win anyway.

OOC: I posted something to Tersanctus ont he main thread, if he is still up.....

OOC: He's off Yahoo, so I think he's gone.

God, what a stupid RP. Dyelli, you're an idiot.

I said no WMDs. Now what happens? You use nuclear weapons and cause Crownguard to leave. Really, if you can't read the rules, why are you even in this? No WMDs. It was quite simple.

Now, Tersanctus...

Uh, right. The "Land Warrior" thing is more or less fine. But that is all. Nothing from 'Starcraft' or anything else.

Actually, Dyelli Beybi played the mad Tzar fairly well I think. Why do you feel that everyone must bow to your wishes Al Anbar? Help me understand.

Glorious Humanity, I'm a bit confused regarding your last post (Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:14 am ). That is, I'm not really sure how would be able to detect the movement of my ships leaving the northernmost ports (Vrak nakhan and Vrak kirin) of Vrak. Please see the map at our site. (http://www.freewebs.com/klatchia/index.htm) Unless your satellites passed over the FKC... :twisted:

As well, you approached from the south via the Southern Klatch Ocean, yes? Most likely you would be brushing up against Jiggady ships and aircraft. How far away are you from the Dyelli Beybi coast? I'm wondering if your fleet would be in range of our Titans.

But then again, if the Titans are ruled "future tech" I have no problem in dropping them.

Fasta should hopefully drop in here to give a rough idea of scale. Keep in mind this is an old map and he's busy drawing up a new one with all the nice and proper map projections. :)

I'm sorry to be asking this so obviously late, but I'd like to know if I could participate in this RP. Like Reploid Productions, I'd only want to provide humanitarian aid. As some of you probably know, I maintain a complement of 747's converted into flying hospitals, which I think would be appreciated by the injured in this war.

Besides that, I'd also like to participate in the negotiations. Once again, if I'm too late it's fine, otherwise I'd be happy to join in. Also, for anybody that doesn't know, I'm a resurrected May nation, so I'm much larger than my join date would suggest (1 billion). Thank you.

~Ancient Terra~

Ah...you came back! I remember you, Ancient. :)

Sure, Ancient. I remember selling some naval equipment to you when I first started on NS. *Happy Thoughts* I assume the humanitarian aid is for me, anyway. I will add you the invite list and you may post in the Nuke or Negotiations threads, whenever you are ready. Oh and Welcome Back, can't forget that.

Oh yeah, Vrak just post the list of nations (that are not Klatchian) that you are inviting to negotiations thread and I will add them. The list is getting pretty long.

Thank you, both of you. It's nice to be back.

And I believe that those Destroyers you sold me are still in inventory. :D

*Goes off to post*

Scale: Dyelli Beybi is rouglhy the size of spain, and so is Fasta benj. jiggady is significantly larger. Vrak is very long, but not particularly wide. It stretches from about 35N to 65N (southern california to Ukon) Its generally about as wide as Italy. The Vrakian corridor is the sparsely inhabited bit f vrak (everything south of 50N) Axemainiacs is smaller than DB or Fasta, being kindof poland sized. you might want to think of punishing them a bit too.....

Ancient,
Feel free to base humanitarian operations in Western Asia (For this RP, consisting of Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon while Al Anbar controls Iraq and Syria). I'm not participating in offensive operations at all due to a previous agreement to prevent warfare between the two nations but humanitarian missions are allowed for.


To All,
If nuclear missiles are sent into the region I'll have to shoot them down (as much as I might like ICly to see Al Anbar wiped out) since there is a little issue of "radioactive cloud drift" that would make Western Asia very unhappy. Note: The IDF might save a million or two in costs by knowing if fired missiles are nuclear or not.

For fairness, I might just shoot down all unknown ICBM/IRBM/SRBM launches that are targeted towards, or originate in, the ME.

Systems include the Arrow II and III ABM and satellite-based detection and interception means among others. Please do not send nuclear weapons into this region.

I am requesting permission to participate on behest of Vrak. I have close relations with Vrak, and thus would be highly interested in such going ons in and around his region. I don't expect to actually participate in any of the main discussions, but would like to have someone there "officially."

Oof, why doesn't anybody tell me these things? Thanks for the heads up. They are coming from Drakonia, towards the southern Dyelli Beybi coast. Since your map doesn't list Drakonia (since Glorious Humanity isn't listed on any maps pertaining to this I'm saying the fleet went to the Drakonian coast, then from there to the FKC so I have a point of reference) I'm not sure if they'd pass Jiggady or not, and since no one has said anything about Jiggady's deployment or forces, I literally don't know who to fight. Besides, the task force has now pulled back out of all FKC waters as a show of good faith while the negotiations are going on. I'd say that would probably put them out of range of any Vrakian guns. What exactly are Titans?

Anyway, can someone tell me which way Drakonia is from that map? Then I can figure it out and edit the post.

What exactly are Titans?

Nasty, very long-range artillery guns. Basically they are based on Saddam's Babylonian guns which was based on the work of Gerald Bull. However, there is sometimes an RP dispute if "future tech" equates exactly to "what if" tech. If they aren't allowed then that's fine with me.

Anyway, can someone tell me which way Drakonia is from that map? Then I can figure it out and edit the post.

You mean in relation to the FKC? Always a bit of a sticky point I'd agree. About how big would you estimate the South Klatchian Ocean? I'm going on a limb here but it looks around roughly India Ocean size.

Indian Ocean size makes sense to me. Alright, see if this works for you.

Drakonia is to the southwest of the FKC. The Glorious Humanity taskforce went from Drakonia's west coast north towards Dyelli Beybi. They'd pass west of Jiggady. They reached the edge of Dyelli Beybi's territorial waters, encountered the minefield, and backed off to be back in international waters while everyone's talking. Currently, they're sitting around playing cards or something, waiting for new developments. They have sub and air patrols cruising around the surface ships keeping an eye out for any trouble, but that's it. Does that work?

Indian Ocean size makes sense to me. Alright, see if this works for you.

Drakonia is to the southwest of the FKC. The Glorious Humanity taskforce went from Drakonia's west coast north towards Dyelli Beybi. They'd pass west of Jiggady. They reached the edge of Dyelli Beybi's territorial waters, encountered the minefield, and backed off to be back in international waters while everyone's talking. Currently, they're sitting around playing cards or something, waiting for new developments. They have sub and air patrols cruising around the surface ships keeping an eye out for any trouble, but that's it. Does that work?

So basically you headed north from your lands. It's fine with me. Just wondering what other FKC members think. Your only about 50 miles off Dyelli's shore?

More like 450. According to what I was told the minefiled covers most of Dyelli Beybi's coast and their territorial waters (Fasta Benj said 400 km), thus the fleet couldn't get very close to the shore. They pulled back out into international waters when the negotiations began.

Thanks for explaining the maps. I shall now edit my post accordingly.

Post (Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:14 am ) edited. And a new post added.

Again, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Scale
Drakonian Mainland: Approximately the size of Alaska,
Drako Antilles: Comparable to the Alutians.
Drako Sava: Small ficticious islands, about the size of say, Guam.
Drako Raem: Earth territory (which was claimed when the Dark Eldar mysteriously vanished), about the size of Syria (I assume).

Location
Dakonian Mainland and Drako Antilles: South Caribbean and over the western coast of South America.
Raem: I never did find out where that was, some land-locked desert somewhere.
Sava: Somewhere in the south Pacific.

Drakonia, you were involved with the Raem episode? Okay. I remember that going on. You do realize that the player came back as Manmen, eh?

When I said, “Indian Ocean size” it was basically a rough guess since there is some land way over to the far west (that is, south of Narv-x and Alcona and Hubris) and southeast of Jiggady. So it looks about right but Fasta has a better idea than me.

Crisis of the Emirates

As this Crisis is now spread across multiple thread, with this OOC thread now catering to each and every one, I thought it appropriate to inform everyone.

Liberation of Al Anbar (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85060) (Serious RP; Invite-Only)

Nuclear Holocaust in Drakonia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93916) (Open RP)

Nekoa Bay Negotiations (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94668) (Serious RP; Invite-Only)

Please note, the invite list for the Liberation of Al Anbar (appropriately renamed; formerly the original Crisis of the Emirates) is now at the beginning of that thread. The first post of this thread also has been edited accordingly.

Drakonia, you were involved with the Raem episode? Okay. I remember that going on. You do realize that the player came back as Manmen, eh?

Yeah, we sent the General currently in charge of the Al Anbar campaign to Raem. We're getting our butts kick by a few of the Dark Eldar when they fell back and nuke all the major cities. I still was able to claim the small chunk I had under military control. Then I've just assumed since, Raem doesn't exist that the Dark Eldar dissappeared and my forces in the Drakonia-Controlled Zone claimed the rest of the nation. Was going to make a post to rap up, since I never responded to the Dark Eldar retreating and Hide going poof, but I haven't got around to it, yet.

I didn't know he came back as Manmen. I guess, I can find out where Raem was. Is he still Dark Eldar?

Drakonian: Yup, good ole Manmen came back and as evil as ever. :)

Britmattia: I don't mean to be a hoser but what do you mean exactly by

"International Waters off the Klatchian Coast"

The Klatch is a decent size land mass and as you can see has a good-sized coast. Did your fleet go all the way around to come to Axe (via Sea of Christofi and the Sea of Diocletian) or did you try to go through Jiggady? I realize that Jiggady has been absent but it would be reasonable to assume that his forces are deployed.

You would also have to consider Apostle's reef if you tried the latter course of action. Don't want any shipwrecks. :twisted:

Question: leave weapons at the door or no? Since Rep won't be here to interact, I may as well RP her part of front door security out. Gotta get my guy inside eventually :wink:

I have a feeling Rep just wants the diplomats to be unarmed. Don't know. What do you think Drakonian? Maybe just one bodyguard plus aides?

I'd say security will by handle by Reploid's own security people, with possible a few Praetorian Guard from Drakonia (but, if their there they are keeping a low profile). I'd say leave weapons at the door, as we do not want a massacre, just lots of insult throwing and finger pointing.

That's where I remember Manmen from that's what the Kabal was called. *Gets lost in memories of Dark Eldar and blood, lot's of blood*

Troop convoy movement in detail:

One to Dyelli Beybi and one to Axe. Each convoy consists of

256 T-90s
128 Gepard Nims
96 BRDM-2: 6-rail AT-3C SACLOS ATGM launcher

128 SA-15 Gauntlet
64 SA-17 Grizzly
32 rocket artillery 9A52-2 BM-30 Smerch

3 heavy infantry battalions (1296 troops)
3 heavy anti-tank battalion (1296 troops)

Necessary support including truckloads of food, ammo, engineers, and medical equipment. Some command style BRDMs along with several Vodniks can be seen.

Much more coming and plenty more have been activated.

OOC: Sorry, everyone. I just ran out of time. I'll try to get in sometime this weekend, but I am extremely busy. I will be back for sure monday.

The newly commissioned arsenal ship will be paying a visit to support our ally Drakonia.

I will work on some specs for numbers and such later.

OOC: Tersanctus..did you psot a reply int eh Crisis thread as to my message to your fleet?

Dyelli Beybian Military numbers in full. NOTE: Some of these units are fighting each other and a number of the vehicles have been destroyed.

Army: 3756800 personnel

Armored Corp: 22 Divisions. (OOC: Please note this is modeled on panzer divisions, NOT on the US army, hence the Armored Corp has no foot troops, and yes I know the panzer divisions had Motorised Infantry, but those have been put in with the Infantry Corp and the trucks are in with the Logistics Corp.).Coming to a total of 444, 800 personnel equipped with the following vehicles:
T90/MBT 3 Main Battle Tanks: 6,013
Merkava Mk 3 Main Battle Tanks: 412
Leclerc Main Battle Tanks: 1,091
Ariete Main Battle Tanks: 1,212
T 80 Main Battle Tanks: 10,913
T 72 Main Battle Tanks: 12,125
Olifant Mk 1B Main Battle Tanks: 6,220
T 62 Main Battle Tank: 10,514
MBT1-1A Main Battle Tanks (Steam Powered): 1,000 (the experiment was decided to be a failure, but this didn't stop the Dyelli Beybians making them anyway.)
AAV-1 Scout Tanks: 19,800
AFV5m3 Anti-Aircraft Vehicles: 9,900
Crotale NG Anti-Aircraft Vehicles: 9,900
T10M Heavy Battle Tanks: 9,900
Jeeps: 900
NFEV-1 Armored Limousine: 20
Armour Recovery Vehicles: 660
Tank Transporters: 330
Repair Vans: 990

Calvary Corp: 7 Divisions. Coming to a total of 125,000 personnel, 25,515 of whom are Airborne Infantry, equipped with the following vehicles:
Ka-52 Attack Helicopters: 63
Ka-50 Attack Helicopters: 126
Mi 28 Attack Helicopters: 284
Mi 24D Attack Helicopters: 315
Mi 24K Reconnaissance Helicopters: 189
Ka-31 Combat Transport and Radar Picket Helicopters: 79
Mi-35 Combat Transport Helicopters: 567
Mi-8AMTSh Combat Transport Helicopters: 142
Mi-17 Cargo Helicopters: 158
Mi-17-1V Transport Helicopters: 158
Mi-17MD Transport Helicopters: 158
Mi-26 Heavy Transport Helicopters: 313
Jeeps: 700
NFEV-1: 10
SACCM-1 Scout Armoured Car: 1 (OOC: Perhaps the designation is a tiny bit misleading...)

Infantry Corp: 27 Divisions, coming to a total of 750,000 personnel. Of the Divisions, 3 are Airborne (each of 32,400 personnel), 16 are Mechanised and 8 Foot (all of 26,190 personnel). These Divisions are Equipped with the following Weapons and Vehicles:
Mortars: 55,404
Portable Stinger Missile Launchers: 9,234
Mistral Air Defence Missile Launchers: 9,234
Kornet E Anti-Armour Missile Launchers: 36,936
M19 Heavy Machine Guns: 55,404
ASCOD Tracked IFVs: 13,824
Dardo Hitfist Tracked IFVs: 8,640
BMP-3 Tracked IFVs: 3,456
VBCI Wheeled IFVs: 3,456
Al Fahd Wheeled APCs: 5,184
T90/MBT-3 Main Battle Tanks: 3,240
AAV-1 Scout Tanks: 1,296
T10M Heavy Tanks: 648
AF5m3 Anti-Aircraft Vehicles: 4,968
Crotale NG Anti-Aircraft Vehicles: 4,968
M777 155mm Ultra lightweight Field Howitzers: 1,260
G6 155mm Self-Propelled Howitzers: 630
Assorted Trucks and Repair Vans: 3,024
Bridge Layers: 432
Armor Recovery Vehicles: 432
Tank Transporters: 216
Jeeps: 4,556
NFEV-1: 120

Engineering Corp: Consisting of 4 Divisions, totaling 100,000 personnel with the following vehicles:
Armor Recovery Vehicles: 2,880
Tank Transporters: 1,440
Construction Vehicles: 1,624
Bridge Layers: 800
Trucks: 2,000
Jeeps: 1,416
NFEV-1: 20

Anti-Aircraft Division: Consisting of 25,000 personnel manning the following, also with the following vehicles:
SAM-3 Sites: 1,296
Flak Guns: 604
Arrow 2 Theatre Ballistic Missile Defence Systems: 44
Jeeps: 400
NFEV-1: 10

Artillery Division: Consisting of 25,000 personnel with the following vehicles and equipment:
M777 155mm Ultra lightweight Field Howitzers: 810
G6 155mm Self-Propelled Howitzers: 405
SMERCH 9K58 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems: 405
Trucks: 1,620
Jeeps: 462
NFEV-1: 10

Tactical Weapons Corp: Consisting of 10 Divisions, totaling 250,000 personnel with the following vehicles and equipment:
ICBM Silos: 61
SCUD Silos: 320
Mobile SCUD Launchers: 625
Jeeps: 400
NFEV-1: 10

Legion of the Line: Consisting of 5 Divisions, totaling 162,000 personnel with the following vehicles and equipment:
M777 155mm Ultra lightweight Field Howitzers: 2,430
DBFC 130mm Anti-Tank Guns: 2,430
SHTURM Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Guided Missile Systems: 729
SAM 3 Silos: 243
Kornet E Anti-Tank Missile Launchers: 16,200
M19 Heavy Machine Guns: 8,100

Logistics Corp: Consisting of 50 Divisions, totaling 1,875,000 personnel with the following vehicles:
Trucks: 180,300
Fork Lifts: 60100
Jeeps: 20,830
NFEV-1: 86


Air Force: 560,000 personnel

Fighter Command: 9 Groups. Consisting of:
Su-47: 12
MiG-31: 300
Su-27 : 276
Dassault Mirage 2000C: 300
MiG-29SMT: 792
MiG-25P: 600
MiG-23: 420
Trucks: 2,700
Loading Buggies: 900
Towing Vehicles: 900
Fire Engines: 225
Jeeps: 223
NFEV-1: 2

Attack Command: 6 Groups. Consisting of:
Panadia GR4 ‘Tornados’: 96
Su-25T8M: 504
Su-24: 300
Su-22: 240
MiG-27: 408
Yak-141: 156
Trucks: 1,704
Loading Buggies: 568
Towing Vehicles: 568
Fire Engines: 142
Jeeps: 141
NFEV-1: 1
Bomber Command: 2 Groups. Consisting of:
Tu-160: 36
Tu-95MS: 72
Tu-16K: 204
Tu-22: 72
Tu-22M: 36
An-124 Transports: 12
Il-76 Transports: 24
An-72 STOL Transports: 36
An-26 Tactical Transports: 24
Tu-16N Tankers: 84
Trucks: 600
Loading Buggies: 200
Towing Vehicles: 200
Fire Engines: 50
Jeeps: 49
NFEV-1: 1

Maritime Command: 2 Groups. Consisting of:
Tu-142 ASW Platforms: 48
A-50 AEW&C: 24
F-4G ‘Wild Weasel’ ECM Aircraft: 72
Yak-141: 360
A4-M ‘Skyhawks’: 96
Trucks: 600
Loading Buggies: 200
Towing Vehicles: 200
Fire Engines: 50
Jeeps: 49
NFEV-1: 1

In the negotiations thread, I'm naturally assuming that Drakonia and allies are at one hotel and the FKC and allies are at another one. I mean, too many VPs in one spot is a bad idea and it would also minimize any...uh...potential conflict.

I am formally announcing that a represetive for the FKC Privy Council will be arriving. Victoria Crawford, Landgravine of Hubris will be arriving shortly to the negotations.

Several questions:

1) Where is everyone?

2) Are all the diplomats in the designated conference room yet? Ie, can I talk to anyone I want?

3) If not, am I limited to exchanging pleasentries with FKC and friends? Ie, the 2 factions are in seperate locations.

4) Where is everyone?

I'd love to IC bump the thread, but I have nothing to work with...... :?

For anyone using invisionfree quite a few forums, including the FKC one, were affected. I would ask that some time be given so the board can be reestablished and running again.

Edit: FKC board is now up but we need some time to get all the FKC members on board again. Please be patient and I apologize for the inconvenience.

A note on defenses of the Alcona Island Chain...they are my home islands so there is a serious amount of anti-ship/ anti-air defenses including long range interceptor aircraft, and ground based missle systems also a perimeter of both active and passive sonar sub-surface installations form a perimiter so...no sneaking up on us with subs...well you can try and it might work.

Also, there is a time lag with FKC members so...be patient...

OOC: Sorry, everyone. I just ran out of time. I'll try to get in sometime this weekend, but I am extremely busy. I will be back for sure monday.

I get back and look what's happened....

Al Anbar and Dyelli Beybi

*Waves finger like your mother would* Let's try to be civil people. *Give the Eye to Al Anbar* Name calling is just childish and will only get you ignored. We've already gone to far for that.

I'd like to point out that you both violated the rules of that RP (mainly on OOC posting) and stealing a mosque was not one of them. Dyelli RPed the robberies clearly, you can go back and read his posts and see it. On the note of OOC posting can you both go back and delete those posts (you'll have to alternate to do it, but please for the sake of making the RPing clear). I will make my next post, when they are gone. Thank you, both.

Now there is the issue of Dyelli getting his troops out of Al Anbar. This will be hard, as the Syrian Coast is blockaded. Here is my idea, Dyellis forces can rendezvous with the fleet and hold their positions. They can also surrender to mine and Tersanctus' fleet, but I don't see that happening. If it did, they would simply be held in Turkey until everything is cleared up and then returned to Dyelli.

Anyway. *Does a little dance, since Al Anbar's allies have all abandon him* But seriously, back to RP.

Sketch, I am in Florida. Where are you? Sorry, but, seriously I have been out for the weekend. Anyway, I guess the guests are either in different hotels (i.e. UE and allied hotel and FKC and allied hotel), or we are in different wings of the hotel. Frankly, I don't see why we are couldn't be in the same hotel, the only one wishing to cause problems is my General Derek Long and he is only interested in annoying the FKC people not causing an international incident.

OOC: Sorry, everyone. I just ran out of time. I'll try to get in sometime this weekend, but I am extremely busy. I will be back for sure monday.

I get back and look what's happened....

Al Anbar and Dyelli Beybi

*Waves finger like your mother would* Let's try to be civil people. *Give the Eye to Al Anbar* Name calling is just childish and will only get you ignored. We've already gone to far for that.

I'd like to point out that you both violated the rules of that RP (mainly on OOC posting) and stealing a mosque was not one of them. Dyelli RPed the robberies clearly, you can go back and read his posts and see it. On the note of OOC posting can you both go back and delete those posts (you'll have to alternate to do it, but please for the sake of making the RPing clear). I will make my next post, when they are gone. Thank you, both.

Now there is the issue of Dyelli getting his troops out of Al Anbar. This will be hard, as the Syrian Coast is blockaded. Here is my idea, Dyellis forces can rendezvous with the fleet and hold their positions. They can also surrender to mine and Tersanctus' fleet, but I don't see that happening. If it did, they would simply be held in Turkey until everything is cleared up and then returned to Dyelli.

Anyway. *Does a little dance, since Al Anbar's allies have all abandon him* But seriously, back to RP.

Sketch, I am in Florida. Where are you? Sorry, but, seriously I have been out for the weekend. Anyway, I guess the guests are either in different hotels (i.e. UE and allied hotel and FKC and allied hotel), or we are in different wings of the hotel. Frankly, I don't see why we are couldn't be in the same hotel, the only one wishing to cause problems is my General Derek Long and he is only interested in annoying the FKC people not causing an international incident.

Unfortunately, he is not taking anything from Al Anbar. And therefore, since he is no longer fighting on Al Anbar and is leaving this conflict, he is ignored from now on. He cannot respect the rule of no WMDs. He thinks that he can simply wallace into a city, dissassemble a huge building with no interference from Al Anbar troops and the people themselves. I doubt that the people would be allowing such a thing. Therefore, all of this stuff about stealing is declared OOC and ignored.

he annaunced he was stealing the mosque days ago. it's your job to at the time say that the people interfere, or protest, or have your troops do something.

Code of Conduct To get invited, post in the OOC Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83990).
All OOC content is to be posted on the OOC Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83990) and not in this thread.
All Force numbers are to be first posted in the OOC Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83990), first, and then once cleared they can be ICly posted here.
All Claims of Godmodding are to be taken up on the OOC Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83990).
No spamming, flaming, or hijacking will be tolerated and nations that do will be ignored.

WMDs were never listed as a no in the Code of Conduct. I don't remember, if you said no WMDs. You could have and you could have missed it, I don't remember. Either way, I myself allow it as long as they are RPed well. You will notice I responded to Dyelli's attack and did not ignored it. It was all RPed out well and there is still the possibility of peace coming from it. Let's just all cool our jets for now, except for those involved in the war effort.

he annaunced he was stealing the mosque days ago. it's your job to at the time say that the people interfere, or protest, or have your troops do something.

I wasn't even here during that time. I have only read through some of what I was posted, not all of it. It is still OOC and ignored.

...On the note of OOC posting can you both go back and delete those posts (you'll have to alternate to do it, but please for the sake of making the RPing clear). I will make my next post, when they are gone. Thank you, both....

Please, take care of this. I will post the blockade opening to let the Dyelli Beybians, both naval forces and military transports return home, when those posts our deleted.

EDIT: Thanks, Al Anbar. Now we wait for Dyelli...

Just a quick summing up so far of diplomats from our side. Let me know if I'm missing anyone that posted on this thread.

FKC

Terran Sphere
Fasta Benj
Dukratus
Alcona and Hubris
Vrak

Friends of the FKC

Sketch
Scolopendra

I should note that a copy of the FKC constition is currently available at
http://www.freewebs.com/deathcoast/

I would say that your intellgence agents can get most of this data...at present...

Seeing how I'm involved now and Rep's out, I can deal with OOC chatter in the thread with deleting posts and what not, if that's fine with everyone.

--Scolo

For each border (Axe and Dyelli)

5 infantry divisions:

3 light regular divisions
1 light anti-air division
1 light grenade division

1 division = 2500+ troops

...On the note of OOC posting can you both go back and delete those posts (you'll have to alternate to do it, but please for the sake of making the RPing clear). I will make my next post, when they are gone. Thank you, both....

Please, take care of this. I will post the blockade opening to let the Dyelli Beybians, both naval forces and military transports return home, when those posts our deleted.

EDIT: Thanks, Al Anbar. Now we wait for Dyelli...

my apologies for not deleting. I didn't come online last night. I wasn't feeling 100%.

Perhaps before we all go too far along, would a summary of tech levels be in order? That is, it was touched upon briefly but then died out. The reason why I’m doing this (when in discussion with Britmattia on IRC) is I would hate to see a potential RP ruined because of

1) lack of agreement on tech level
2) Either side bringing in allies and the other side calling foul
3) For some balance.

Basically, I try to be as reasonable as possible but would really hate to see ignore cannons fired and OOC feelings hurt.

I’m mostly modern tech but I did buy a few hypersonic bombers which go helluva fast. As well, the Titan guns might be considered “future tech” if future tech = what if tech.

I try to stick to what I know, which is modern tech, and dropping the two above items wouldn’t bother me in the least. As well, I suppose some research labs or equivalent are “future tech” in stuff they are fooling around with. My TDP tech is probably pushing the modern era tech level in that it’s here now but more in a pilot phase.

If anyone cares, I plan on watching this from the sidelines, eating my popcorn. And maybe throw a little something at a player I don't like every now and then :wink:

Titan tech ain't gonna get involved... I'm here in a diplomatic way only. Unless, for some reason, the delegates start having a firefight... then I'm gonna have ta pull out da phaz0rs on you .

*gets hit with popcorn* Oi!

[note to self: wake up [i]first, then post.]

Yes well, all is fine, I guess I need to support Vrak with some JDF tanks...so I'm going to sent 10 battle groups to support each of his divisions.

1 battle group is:

50 Challenger II tanks
10 Armored Vehicles (varying kinds but most only armed with 30mm RAD guns)
100 tanker trucks
100 support infantry members
including heavy machinge gun crews.
40 Recoiless 155mm anti-tank crews (5 + jeep each)
15 mortar crews (5+ 1 Jeep)
20 88 millmeter anti-air crews
with shoulder mounted Sams

Yes this means I just sent 5,000 tanks and at least 70,000 men at arms to both nations, they are not *mine* but are paid for out of the military budget of the FKC which was last estimated at 3 trillion a year. Most of this is a potluck of equipment that I've gotten good deals on over the past few years.

Also, I think D.B. is demanding only modern, near-modern tech.

Seeing how I'm involved now and Rep's out, I can deal with OOC chatter in the thread with deleting posts and what not, if that's fine with everyone.

--Scolo

Please do, and many many thanks.

*Points to the Al Anbar liberation thread*

And still more thanks.

Dyelli, that cool. I am sure, we all understand why you couldn't be here and other absences are expected over the Thanksgiving Vacation in the US.

Anyway, to everyone else. I consulted with Dyelli and agreed with him that this should be limited to modern tech (which the Imperium is). While I am not opposed to battling future tech nations (I fought Manmen Dark Eldar), I see how others can be and how it can complicated thing and so this is now limited to modern tech.

Having said that I have one question. Scandavian States' nuke interdiction fleet in orbit over the Imperium. What about it? Actually, I am not sure if it's even still there. I think it may have been redirect to Isla de Penguinata after that nation fell into anarchy, but I am unsure.

I'm just about 100% modern tech.
A few of my tank designs are on the large side, like the SACCM or the 'Adolf Hitler' but they can be built with modern stuff. They have CHOBHAM armour and guns that are used in the real world, just a larger chasis. I've checked the ground pressure for these things and they don't sink into the sand that they'll be operating on.
There is one weapon I use that isn't modern tech. It is a 47mm chaingun. It is bascially just an extension of the 30mm you see quite regularly in the modern world. To compensate for the extra heat it would produce, it is cooled by a liquid nitrogen coolant system, which makes it very heavy, and very dangerous for the crew if something hits it...
If anyone dislikes these I'll happily cut them out. I don't want to cause any arguments in game.

I am pretty much entirely modern tech, although much of my equipment are extentions of it. Like I operate such things as Gatling Tanks (tanks with big Gatling Turrets on them) and Flame Tanks (tanks with big flame throwers on them). I also operate some massive "Mammoth" tanks, with twin cannon barrels.

Dyelli, your chainguns should be fine. I am still reworking that post on which faction I will support. It looks like the Papacy, because they are the only side that will follow through with a full WMD disarmament. But that is still in the air.

(OOC) Flame tanks and gattling tanks aren't future tech at all. There are quite a few gattling tank things that are used for AA and the Russians were using the T10M until fairly recently. It had a flamethrower to relace the usual coaxially mounted MG.

The papacy only believes in napalm and other forms of 'holy fire'.

Dyelli, that cool. I am sure, we all understand why you couldn't be here and other absences are expected over the Thanksgiving Vacation in the US.

Anyway, to everyone else. I consulted with Dyelli and agreed with him that this should be limited to modern tech (which the Imperium is). While I am not opposed to battling future tech nations (I fought Manmen Dark Eldar), I see how others can be and how it can complicated thing and so this is now limited to modern tech.

Having said that I have one question. Scandavian States' nuke interdiction fleet in orbit over the Imperium. What about it? Actually, I am not sure if it's even still there. I think it may have been redirect to Isla de Penguinata after that nation fell into anarchy, but I am unsure.

Well, if we all agree on modern tech (with perhaps a bit of give and take) then I'd say that Sandavian's fleet should go. But if Scandavian States wants to send soldiers or whatever at the appropriate level then that's cool with me.

The papacy only believes in napalm and other forms of 'holy fire'.

"Holy Fire" as in Nuclear Fire?

Damn, this whole thing just keeps getting more complicated.

Prince George is gay, weak, and easily manipulated by nobility. He would rule a weak puppet nation. A nation that likely would not give into the will of the people it would likely force back into servatude.

So the Royalist are out.

Prince Henry and the Fasta Benjians won't support WMD disarmament.

So the Tzarists are out.

The Socialists it appears will support limited disarmament, but they appear to also support a corrupt regime that while it give power to the people maybe Fascists in nature.

So the Socialists are iffy.

And the Papacy may have nuclear tendecies anyway.

So the Papalists are also iffy.

Argh!

OOC: Interesting country isn't it. :D

Not everyone is exactly as they'd seem though...

OOC: Interesting country isn't it. :D

Not everyone is exactly as they'd seem though...

*Loses total control and runs screaming from the room, finally returns, falls back down in seat and signs heavily*

Ah, but things are even more complicated since...

D.B. never made an offical annoucement about it's involvement in the Al Anabar situation...which is a violation of the Klatchian Constitution. Which leaves all of the factions open to having a Military Attainer placed on them...!!!

Also, when did I become an ally of UE? I should note that my Captain wandered into the wrong cafe in an attempt to 'hide' from the Landgravine...

I agree with use of modern tech or near-future tech; Kelanthia does not have any technology that isn't in use IRL currently.

I probably shouldn't tell you this, but if you pester and threaten Tzar Henry enough he'll probably let you take some of his nukes. not all, but some. he's alrerady handed over his subs.

Damnit. I keep putting Richard hafter Tzar on instinct. it's still normal for me to think of him as prince henry.

Ah, but things are even more complicated since...

D.B. never made an offical annoucement about it's involvement in the Al Anabar situation...which is a violation of the Klatchian Constitution. Which leaves all of the factions open to having a Military Attainer placed on them...!!!

Also, when did I become an ally of UE? I should note that my Captain wandered into the wrong cafe in an attempt to 'hide' from the Landgravine...

My bad, I thought of Andoman and Nicobar, sorry I get the two of you confused so much, as your names are highly similar.

Ah, but things are even more complicated since...

D.B. never made an offical annoucement about it's involvement in the Al Anabar situation...which is a violation of the Klatchian Constitution. Which leaves all of the factions open to having a Military Attainer placed on them...!!!

Also, when did I become an ally of UE? I should note that my Captain wandered into the wrong cafe in an attempt to 'hide' from the Landgravine...

My bad, I thought of Andoman and Nicobar, sorry I get the two of you confused so much, as your names are highly similar.

For Dyelli mainly:
Airforces over bath:
Fasta benj squadron = 7 aircraft.
Scalbies: 1 aircraft per sqn carring AAM, 3 carrying ECM on pylon, on/off toggle from cockpit. 3 carrying mixture of HARMesque and Maverick like missiles for knocking out air defences.
ECM aircraft flies low and straight, others cover it from higher up. 2nd aircraft spots missile heading for ECM plane, radios it to ECm and tracks down and kills launcher, Ecm pilot switches on ECM and missile hopefully misses. Should work pretty well with two crew pwer plane and a full bubble cockpit.
Corvids: The insane fighters I was telling you about- fast, long ranged, low observable, high manouverability. Armed with Air to air missiles in internal bays.
Falcons: Bombers from hell. Roughly equivalent to blackjack, but a bit littler and thus more manouverable. payload a surprise :D
Hippos: cause they waddle. B52, only slower and lower flying. dumb bombs on board.
Frogfoot, froggy, platypus: Varius models of Su25
I decided against sending #72 sqn to hit cyro. :twisted: for now :twisted:

Ah, but things are even more complicated since...

D.B. never made an offical annoucement about it's involvement in the Al Anabar situation...which is a violation of the Klatchian Constitution. Which leaves all of the factions open to having a Military Attainer placed on them...!!!

...
yes he did! he just called it a "minor conflict" up until well after the nukes went off.

Oh, and as far as tech goes, My country uses real world equivalent technoilogy, with a couple of exceptions. (1 leman Russ, the newt class tanks) We are also doing a wee bit of research into non RL tech, like a space mounted antimatter railgun (estimated to be another 20 years off...) and quantum teleportation weapoons (duality jump) these are estimated to be ready sometime in the 22nd century by our scientists. Most of my weapons are most definately NOT RL, but the tech level is equivalent. for example the ticktanks, armed with missiles and having firepower more normally found on a helicopter gunship, or the mosquito helicopters, with their just subsonic speeds. (both of them achieved by immense cost and sacrificing other elemns of performance.)
The Newts are a tank destroyer with a 125mm Hypervelocity cannon working by means of Plasmarized (is that a word?) Ethanol, which is then ignited. The Electrical impulse which converts the ethanol to plasma provides initial boost, and the shell (APDS round) is then accelrated further by the ignition of the ethanol on oxygen contact. speed approximatley twice that of conventional shells.
Early prototype also featured Cobalt armour! :lol: :lol:

Ah, but things are even more complicated since...

D.B. never made an offical annoucement about it's involvement in the Al Anabar situation...which is a violation of the Klatchian Constitution. Which leaves all of the factions open to having a Military Attainer placed on them...!!!

...
yes he did! he just called it a "minor conflict" up until well after the nukes went off.

You are correct...

Ah, but things are even more complicated since...

D.B. never made an offical annoucement about it's involvement in the Al Anabar situation...which is a violation of the Klatchian Constitution. Which leaves all of the factions open to having a Military Attainer placed on them...!!!

Also, when did I become an ally of UE? I should note that my Captain wandered into the wrong cafe in an attempt to 'hide' from the Landgravine...

My bad, I thought of Andoman and Nicobar, sorry I get the two of you confused so much, as your names are highly similar.

Darn! Alcona almost got allowed into the UE and then he could have viewed all their forums and everything! :lol:

Back to the drawing board!

Not my true plans...
((shifty eyes))
No one knows my plans...

Empress Victoria has a nice ring doesn't it?

For those that are wondering:
http://senderek.de/security/secret-key.protection.html

The Previous History of Factoring

70-digit numbers have been factored in 1998 on a workstation within 10 hours.

100-digit numbers will be factored on a single workstation within 1 year.

129-digit numbers: Some 16 years later, in April 1994, the factors were presented by Paul Leyland (University of Oxford), Michael Graff (University of Iowa) and Derek Atkins (MIT). They had been supported by over 600 volunteers running a computer program written by K. Lenstra (Bell Labs, Morristown, New Jersey) on their workstations at night sharing the work of factoring over the internet. Later the amount of work was estimated to approximately 5000 Mips years. One Mips year is equivalent to 3.15 * 1013 operations.
This experience gave rise to the "RSA Factoring Challenge" a contest which aimed at encouraging the research into number theory and the exploration of the difficulty of factoring in practice.


A 155-digit number had been factored on August 22, 1999
by a group of researchers using the general number field sieve method.
The work started on March 17, 1999 and kept a total of 292 computers busy for little more than 5 months. The process of sieving required some preparations in which CRAY supercomputers were involved and it took nearly 4 months time and was worth approximately 8000 Mips years of effort. This complies excellently with the prediction made in 1996.

160-digit numbers: In 1996 experts expected factoring to be possible within about 5 years using a new method of factoring known as number field sieve. Factoring of RSA-155 in 1999 was important, since it made RSA-keys insecure which had a length of 512 bit, a key length which was considered as "Low commercial grade, fast but less secure" since PGP has first been introduced in 1991.

200-digit numbers: The time for factoring was estimated at 52 000 000 years in 1998.


Conclusion Using a minimal key length of 1024 bit corresponding to a RSA-modulus of at least 309 decimal digits, it is guaranteed that RSA can be considered safe for the near future as long as there will be no fundamental advance in the factoring of large numbers. Today lots of PGP-keys are certified with key lenghts of even 2048 bit corresponding to 617 decimal digits




ie, your chances of reading such a code are.. Minimal. Considering that AWM uses 2056 bit pgp encryption.

ie, your chances of reading such a code are.. Minimal. Considering that AWM uses 2056 bit pgp encryption.

*Acts like a little kid* Ha! You can't break mine, it's polymorphic! So there! *Points finger and jumps up and down*

Oh, I will be on sporadicly this thankgiving break here in the US, but I will try my best to keep up.

Okay. So I take it we are kind of...er...pausing due to the holidays? I mean, we can still move stuff around I suppose, eh?

But eating turkey and stuffing takes priority. :)

*looks for turkey while plotting troop deployments*

well I don't see what all the fuss is about. Some American's didn't starve many years ago. Hardly something to have a holiday about. Plenty of New Zealanders aren't starving all the time but you don't see us taking time off work because of it.

OK end of flippant remarks :D

Oh Dyelli and everyone, I am sorry about the response to the Nuclear attack earlier this week, I posted as having 45,000 (yeah, right) but forgot to put an OOC post explaining that tersanctus has closer to 4500 experimental warheads nowheres near ready for firing at anybody; but officially maintains a positions of not having any, "we are a sworn non-NBC country".

The 45,000 was intended to be an exaggeration ICly to intimidate the former Tzar, sorry I didnt have enough time at the time to post it as I was in a rush because my roomate gave me like 5 minutes too use his computer because he was working on a paper, I realize how godmody it sounded, and apologize for not posting at the time.

no worries. I was busily calculating the cos of maintaining 45,000 warheads, and thinking hrrrrm.

{The Damned Double Post}

*Steals Vrak's Turkey and Stuffing, starts eating it. Relieves he's a veggie and spits out the Turkey, but keeps eating the Stuffing*

Semi-OOC: Happy Turkey Day, everyone! Especially, Al Anbar, my troops are sending their gift in the lead form.

Actually OOC: Dyelli, it just a holiday from work and school here, a break from norm. A reason to spend time with family and empty your wallet.

/me steals Drakoinium Imperium's food and sells it back to them (a small bit at a time) and calls it Humanatarian aid

**Sends Vrak a large amount of Shrimp Crole Gumbo***

Vrakians prefer seafood...
With just myself, cooking a whole turkey is insane...

Al Anbar, could you please post your your damages/countermeasures to my attack on Ar Raqqah so I can proceed.

Otherwise Happy Turkey day to all, though I didnt have turkey today, I had super-spicy carnitas from my roomates aunt, oh gawd I love mexicans and there cooking!

Al Anbar, could you please post your your damages/countermeasures to my attack on Ar Raqqah so I can proceed.

Otherwise Happy Turkey day to all, though I didnt have turkey today, I had super-spicy carnitas from my roomates aunt, oh gawd I love mexicans and there cooking!

Are you just bombing anything because if you aren't, you aren't bombing much sense everyone is wearing civilian clothes and such. There's no 'special' features on the outside of houses and buildings that have my men in them, so...

I am bombing suspected housing. IE anything that is firing on us, or what our Intelligence indicates is housing reisitance, or on any blockades vehicular or otherwise, and on what might be tactically advantageous to your side, IE Tall buildings where a sniper could fire indiscriminately on the Trisagion Infantry.

Happy Turkey Day everyone! I hope everyone who celebrated stuffed themselves appropriately.

Now there's leftovers to consider... and a flock of Canadian geese. :lol:

I am bombing suspected housing. IE anything that is firing on us, or what our Intelligence indicates is housing reisitance, or on any blockades vehicular or otherwise, and on what might be tactically advantageous to your side, IE Tall buildings where a sniper could fire indiscriminately on the Trisagion Infantry.

Well, attacking vehicles and blockades (all of which are unmanned) would probably make advancing past them more troublesome than they already are. There aren't any tall buildings that are more than four or five stories tall (which makes up a substantial part of the city as they house all the businesses and many of the inhabitants). The defenses also aren't going to fire on you as you approach the city. They want to get you in the (mainly) narrow streets and such where they can ambush you from the buildings and such. Bombing the buildings would be not be good for your side as your troops will be engaged in very close combat. Otherwise, there aren't many places that could be 'picked out' as housing army units, but I'll post. :)

FYI This is the statistics on the Dyelli Beybian Airforce. It is a list of where everything is. The Airforce Commanders were mostly relics from the Communist era so when the Tzar died immediately signed over to the Communists. The major airbases barring Quisa and St Guineford's were all in PR territory at the start of the War. The one in Quisa was assaulted by Papacy troops in a botched attempt to capture the aircraft. The commander of this base had been remaining neutral but defected to the PA and evacuated his planes to Cyro. As such the PA controls basically all the aircraft.

Cyro Airbases
MiG-31: 60
Su-27: 36
MiG-29SMT: 132
MiG-23: 240
Su-24: 300
Su-22: 240
Tu-142 ASW Platforms: 48
A-50 AEW&C: 24
F-4G ‘Wild Weasel’ ECM Aircraft: 72
Yak-141(M): 360
A4-M ‘Skyhawks’: 96
An-124 Transports: 12
Il-76 Transports: 24
An-72 STOL Transports: 36
An-26 Tactical Transports: 24

Eastern Bath Airbases
Su-47: 12
MiG-31: 120
Su-27: 120
Dassault Mirage 2000C: 120
MiG-29SMT: 132
MiG-25P: 240

Vrak Border Airbases
Su-25T8M: 168
MiG-29SMT: 132

Desert Aribases, South-East of Bath
Su-25T8M: 168
MiG-29SMT: 132
Tu-95MS: 24
Tu-16K: 24

Alexigrad Airbases
MiG-31: 60
MiG-29SMT: 132

Palmgrad Airbases
MiG-25P: 60
MiG-23: 180
Su-25T8M: 168

Jesuitlem Airbases
MiG-31: 60
Su-27: 120
Dassault Mirage 2000C: 180
MiG-29SMT: 132
MiG-25P: 300
Panadia GR4 ‘Tornados’: 96
MiG-27: 408
Yak-141(A): 156
Tu-160: 36
Tu-95MS: 48
Tu-16K: 180
Tu-22: 72
Tu-22M: 36
Tu-16N Tankers: 84

Check out Saddam Hussein's blog:

http://alanbar.blogspot.com/

TO:Drakonian Imperium
RE:Nuclear subs at bequoia bay.
there are 20 subs. 10 are Kraken class (Big ones similar to US SSBNs like Ohio class) These each carried 10 missiles, but fired the whole lot at you already. the other 10 are octopus class. these are nasty. they carry Theartre range weapons (Illegal) armed with a mixture of warheads. each sub has 21 of these on board, 3 of which are small (<1kt) nukes. the rest are either Viral Glass, VX gas, Anthrax or Sarin.
The Viral glass used is a polysaccharide coated viral molecule/creature with the weaponized virus being a strain of spanish influenza, modified with a non-antigenic outer capsid and an enzyme that produces Digoxin. Not friendly at all. and highly illegal.

Check out Saddam Hussein's blog:

http://alanbar.blogspot.com/

Good stuff..maybe make a post about Crownguard either there or else as a note back to Xaiver Delryn in a post? Your only allies and all at this point it seems, would be good for (my ego) and rply.

(OOC) And on the nuclear subs bit. None of the Dyelli Beybian ones have turned up.

Kind of neat to see "Saddam's" little diary. :)

Obviously OOC
Can I get the other FKC States to post their thoughts in our forum please.

To Drak: Are you deporting 70%+ of the people? Almost everyone has somesort of gun...

Yeah, pretty much. Actually, it'd only be the men, that we would deport and their both pretty much under guard so most are remaining in the country.

As the night progressed, the defense of the three cities under attack, Ar Raqqah, Halab, and Al Haqasah, looked as if it would collapse. By early morning of the next day, there was no resistance in the cities.

You do know that Halab is completely surrounded, right? And damn it, I bet I know what comes next! You're pulling a Manmen (only people who know about the Raem Coup War should know what this is), would be my guess.


And people! Please, OOC thread for OOC post! Please. *Gives Al Anbar and Crownguard the evil eye*

I figure since the first few stages of the Al Anbar conflict has progress, I can reveal my invasion plan to all. So here goes:

http://invisionfree.com:54/118/74/upload/p63.jpg
http://invisionfree.com:54/118/74/upload/p64.jpg

Please note, that no ADK forces have been deployed (excepting maybe defensive forces) and that the position of all opposition forces is guess work and not likely to be correct.

The war is currently at Stage 2, with slight revisions.

The people have not left the city. As I posted, they have blended into the population.

Also, how are you supporting these people? You've just made me have new friends in the country by removing these people. From these three cities, you've had to move and support over 300,000+ people.

OOC: I know that Crownguard is under political pressure to fight but keep in mind that the Tersanctan Admirals, and Drakonian General's reaction are simply IC, we are not actually mad at you, as a matter of fact, I am having quite a bit of fun! :wink:

OOC: I know that Crownguard is under political pressure to fight but keep in mind that the Tersanctan Admirals, and Drakonian General's reaction are simply IC, we are not actually mad at you, as a matter of fact, I am having quite a bit of fun! :wink:

OOC: I know that Crownguard is under political pressure to fight but keep in mind that the Tersanctan Admirals, and Drakonian General's reaction are simply IC, we are not actually mad at you, as a matter of fact, I am having quite a bit of fun! :wink:

What he said, although I must admit that I am a bit insulted by the use of the name of a man who killed, torchure, and stole from millions of his own people. It seem an insult to them to use it, but other than that I also am enjoying this. Haven't had a good war in a while.

On logistics and such. While Drakonia could support such a move as 300,000+ people keep in mind that I am not moving all of them at once. I also just moving them temporarily north. But, with the cessation of combat, the moving of civilians has ceased.

Blog updated.

Blog updated.

*Makes note to go read*

Oh and Al Anbar, I didn't pull out all my forces, just major combatant ones and non-essential forces. There were enough forces left to carry out police action and such. Halab is still surrounded and the bulk of the 10th Armored is just outside the city while a other parts of it maintain checkpoints, search for hiding Al Anbari troops, and show police force. The troops will also likely try to work with local police forces.

OOC: Will the Drakonian Imperium or Tersanctus please reply to Xavier Delryn's call for a cease fire? Also..about the attack on your fleet...

1. The planes fired from a couple of miles away, then immediately "turned and burned" as they say. Going to have a fun time chasing them back to Gariland City.

2. Post damages on the ships? You said yourself that TV, radar, and sensor arrays were down after the EMP strike. The planes, which were already said to be stealth fighters (as evidenced by you saying that you could barely track them), should be next to impossible to detect now when its NOT a full sensor screen.

3. Who controls Aleppo/Halab? Because my units were there the entire time Crownguard was in Al Anbar...I wonder how the Imperium got past my army, which, incidently, still has troops stationed there...

4. The artillery is firing at your ships and the beachhead. 160mm is NOT small..but you knew that. Not as good as 16 inch guns of a battleship, but it works.

Anyways..thats all for now..sorry about the Templar mixup (it was 3 am y'know?!), but can someone please clarify all this?

OOC: Will do.

1.)Gotcha, 3am for me too y,know?

2.)Working on it now. ( I got a lot of ships so gimme a few.)

3.) I dont think we saw a post regarding your troops being there previously, in fact you posted about a counter attack after we took it, so I guess We got to dig it up.....man consistency is annoying!

4.) Ships, all right. Beachhead? Wasnt aware I had one. Im still about 25 km off-shore...whats the range on your guns?

crownguard: TG's!!

Well, in the beginning, I told you to base your troops in Halab, which you did. But, now that you're not RPing that you're in Halab, I thought you had left at some point. If your soldiers are in Halab, this changes what I did in my last post... :/

Well, in the beginning, I told you to base your troops in Halab, which you did. But, now that you're not RPing that you're in Halab, I thought you had left at some point. If your soldiers are in Halab, this changes what I did in my last post... :/

The 10th Armored Legion is basing just northwest of Halab and has Military Police (MPs), Commandos, and Soldiers in Halab. The 1st Airborne Legion is just to southeast of Halab. The city is still entirely surrounded by my troops.

The 2nd Expeditionary is also just on the outskirts of Al Hasakah, with the Tersanctans controlling the city. That unit was only meant to support the Tersanctan forces.

Al Anbar, can you fix your post in the Liberation thread to reflect the fact that my troops are still in the cities, just not all of my troops.

AWM, rescue the man on the beach. NOW.
Naval force currently going into dyellian waters:
6 stonefish class cruisers (Njord{flagship}, Baldur, Sigmund, Freya, Valkyrie, Frey)
1 devilray class carrier (R2 Gehenna)
8 hammerhead I destroyers (one, the hyena, has increased armour but is missing one gun turret.)
6 Blowfish AA frigates
10 Sawfish ASW frigates
4 hammerhead II destroyers (indefagitable, indestructable, inflexible, katana,
30 Remora class escorts
T10 lothlorien, tanker
8 sealion wellships
100 seal class heavy assault landers
3 Walrus ressuplly ships
10 lamprey class missile patrol boats
15 puffin class frigates (prince is onboard F83 "Falconsnake"
5 marlin class frigate
15 Cuttlefish class Attack subs
11 Hammerhead II destroyers

Betrayal once again, Crownguard? :/

What can I say..he is a politician...and Tersanctus actually has diplomatic relations with Crownguard. Al Anbar rarely..if ever sent a letter askign to coordinate, thanking Crownguard, or much else. its very complicated..because I gain NOTHING from this war you know. Im jut stuck in it now..the payment will be returned. And a cease fire is hardly a betrayal...I am just not fighting. Conduct your own ceasefire if you wish; end this war so I can send my troops home.

I never sent you a message about coordination because of your stupidness with going back and forth with supporting me. One minute you were supporting me, then you made peace with Tersanctus, then you came back to me, and now you've declared a ceasefire with them.

And you're not gaining "nothing", you're gaining the forever support of Al Anbar and the payment.

When you say you are going to help defend Al Anbar and then declare a ceasefire with our allies, THAT IS BETRAYAL. You are now an enemy for life for betraying me.

Plus, I have TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO MAKE PEACE. Look at the Nekoa Bay thread and such.

You're just another betrayer like Dyelli.