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New Genoa
04-10-2003, 19:52
Members.... post on the damn forums! :P
Omz222
04-10-2003, 19:54
Invasion Force=not worth RPing with (GeForce4 being the best however)


OOC: I'd have to say that even Bisons is better than Geforce4.

Yes, Geforce4 is a decent Rper when comes to storyline and peaceful RPs, etc. But he is definately not a good Rper when it comes to war and godmoding.

Anyways... I will post :P
East Islandia
04-10-2003, 20:35
Members.... post on the damn forums! :Pwut forums?
Agrigento
04-10-2003, 20:37
Members.... post on the damn forums! :Pwut forums?

First page...and go on AIM!
New Genoa
04-10-2003, 20:50
Invasion Force=not worth RPing with (GeForce4 being the best however)


OOC: I'd have to say that even Bisons is better than Geforce4.

Yes, Geforce4 is a decent Rper when comes to storyline and peaceful RPs, etc. But he is definately not a good Rper when it comes to war and godmoding.

Anyways... I will post :PYeah, I meant he's better at storylines.
New Genoa
05-10-2003, 18:47
Bump.
New Genoa
05-10-2003, 21:05
Two bumps in a row! Woah!
East Islandia
06-10-2003, 02:56
Islandian companies Lotus Systems INternational, East Fire Military Corporation, and S1 Systems Dynamix are developing advanced body armor and combat digitisation programs for individual soldiers. If possible, we would like to have a full, alliance wide R&D effort and see what we come up with.
Agrigento
06-10-2003, 02:57
Islandian companies Lotus Systems INternational, East Fire Military Corporation, and S1 Systems Dynamix are developing advanced body armor and combat digitisation programs for individual soldiers. If possible, we would like to have a full, alliance wide R&D effort and see what we come up with.

Schermo Technologies is already joined up on this project.
New Empire
06-10-2003, 11:51
Islandian companies Lotus Systems INternational, East Fire Military Corporation, and S1 Systems Dynamix are developing advanced body armor and combat digitisation programs for individual soldiers. If possible, we would like to have a full, alliance wide R&D effort and see what we come up with.
Hmm... Well, I kinda did that with my K1 through K6 gasium bodysuits.
East Islandia
06-10-2003, 15:52
hmm
alrite then
but our companies will still carry out the research
New Genoa
14-10-2003, 23:48
Bump.
East Islandia
15-10-2003, 00:36
NAIA is boring
New Genoa
15-10-2003, 01:21
Then leave. :roll:
Agrigento
15-10-2003, 01:24
Then leave. :roll:

Don't take much of what EI says seriously, especially as of late.
imported_Ell
15-10-2003, 05:01
There's the saying "No news is Good news!"
Iuthia
15-10-2003, 11:02
Hm… did you assume that we would be leaping into action and saving the day everyday? Because out of all the alliances I’ve been in I’ve yet to see an alliance which actually does a huge amount of things at any one time.

Firstly, the NAIA has to actually find out about an incident that we should get involved in. This means that someone has either inform us, whether it be someone who knows about us or a member.

Once this we know there is something going on, we then judge (individually) how we will assist and if we will assist at all. I personally have given up on young nations that do something stupid… but sometimes I may help out if someone is being unfair.

Basically it’s we don’t all have to help, it’s alliance based on defending against imperialism, which means we help out by adding forces to the victims defence army. We don’t all have to get involved because sometime some of us won’t agree.

However, things are different when one of us is in the line of fire, that’s when we would like everyone to get involved. We need to stick together so we don’t get picked off one by one.

In the end, we aren’t going to do much if we don’t get told about things. Every nation here is involved in there own personal politics, often they are helping out in these kinds of situations without the need for assistance. However, the biggest thing the alliance is about is mutual protection for nations that think alike.
15-10-2003, 11:44
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Imperialz
15-10-2003, 11:47
Several Requirements:
1.) You MUST be anti-imperialist
2.) You MUST be anti-slavery
3.) You MUST be anti-genocide
4.) Your roleplaying skills must be average



Funny. The Imperial Coalition meets all those requirements except the 1st one.
15-10-2003, 13:15
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Iuthia
15-10-2003, 15:01
Yo My land of The Corrupt Dictation would like to join you.
Well Nemo 2, I’ve decided to save New Genoa the effort and say “No”.

This is because all we’ve got for proof that you can role-play at least to the average level is two posts. One asking to join this alliance, and another is asking for 10 doses of the Small Pox virus…

Not even looking into why you would want to spend 5 Billion USD on Small Pox all I can say is that you have failed to prove that you have any role-play ability. Assuming you are serious, you should spend a little time getting around the forums a bit and maybe posting a few times to comment (IC) on other peoples threads, or better yet, start a thread introducing your nation to the world, if it goes well people will be happy to let you in their large alliances, but right now we don’t know a thing about you.

Overall message; come back later when you’ve got some background for us to look into, until then if any nation attacks you to expand their empire, we will assist in the defence of your nation.
East Islandia
15-10-2003, 18:09
any1 have any potential enemies that we may be up against in the future?
here the word is potential, so dont think any aggressive thoughts yet.
Sambizie
16-10-2003, 14:39
any1 have any potential enemies that we may be up against in the future?
here the word is potential, so dont think any aggressive thoughts yet.

Well, just a nOOb...but an Imperialist none the less. This nation has declared war against another nation for the sole reason of: "I hate him, he must be destroyed".

Here is the link: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81798
Iuthia
16-10-2003, 16:03
You can deal with it how you like; personally I can see that the situation is under control. If anyone want to pile in I suggest only a few of you do, it would be unfair if your combined forces double his population after all…
16-10-2003, 17:42
Since we have good relations with losts of people here.

President Cow-Pie makes a Moo-tion to join the alliance.

http://www.jpatt.net/rob/nationstates/cowpie.GIF
President Cow-Pie
16-10-2003, 22:58
Wait, can I join? I asked before, but I'm not sure if anyone heard me. East Islandia and Agrigento are my buddies in real life.

West Coral Sea is formerly a province of East Islandia, but we won our complete independence in the 1920s; we were the center of the Eastern Azores' most advanced space program, and after we became free, we simply Launched our space ships and never looked back. We still live in the original parts of West Coral Sea, but for the most part, we live in space.

We have a relatively large space fleet and a sizeable ground combat force, and we are against imperialism.
imported_Ell
16-10-2003, 23:03
any1 have any potential enemies that we may be up against in the future?
here the word is potential, so dont think any aggressive thoughts yet.

Well, just a nOOb...but an Imperialist none the less. This nation has declared war against another nation for the sole reason of: "I hate him, he must be destroyed".

Here is the link: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81798

Someone should refer him to AMF's guide to war and diplomacy (wherever it went)
New Empire
17-10-2003, 00:50
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81990

Possible target.
Omz222
17-10-2003, 00:55
Omz222
17-10-2003, 01:01
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81990

Possible target.

We'd suggest to not invade until they has done an "hostile action".

If the NAIA is beginning to turn to a warmongering organization w\that invades eevryone with the name "imperalists" in it, then we will definately quit.

We feel that the NAIA is not a nitpicking organization. It is more like a "helping hand" organization.
Anti-Nazis
17-10-2003, 01:05
Can I please join :) :)
Galdania
17-10-2003, 01:07
Galdania would like to join this as, perhaps, a semi-member. e do not want to be too limited by rules...
New Empire
17-10-2003, 02:54
I meant target for investigation and observation... :?
Iuthia
17-10-2003, 10:41
I have to agree with Omz222, were not the type of alliance that starts pre-emptive strikes against anything with the label “imperialist” on it.

These people are not a threat as of yet, unless they start declaring wars and so on I don’t even see any point in giving them much thought.

Oddly enough though, Iuthia has had some good dealings with Imperial Navy recently, who is adamant that his nation is the sort of nation that doesn’t expand through invasion, but through colonization of uninhabited planets… I have no reason to distrust him but I am not forming a alliance because I don’t really know him.

This alliance is here to offer help to nations under threat of invasion, we don’t create wars, we end them. Lets keep it that way like New Genoa wanted.

This said however, individual nations can do as they wish (providing they don’t break the three basic rules) but if they launch a pre-emptive strike we would like it to be in their name and not the alliances name… we are also not obliged to assist you either, because it’s not an alliance action.

All nations looking to join will be looked into at some point today, or maybe tomorrow depending on how busy me and New Genoa are.


Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
Vice President of NAIA
Iuthia
17-10-2003, 10:56
Galdania, while I know where you are coming from (I’m allied with the NPA but not part of it) but I do not know what parts of the rules you can ignore and still be a friend of the alliance.

For example, if you take invade other nations for the purposes of expansion, we will not look kindly on it, ally or otherwise. Seeing as we are against imperialism, you may find us defending any nation you did this to.

Slavery is frowned upon. Though anti-slavery is not what this organization is about.

Genocide is really frowned upon. Though we don’t attack nations who do it, each member of our organization has the freedom to do what they like (providing it is not against the rules: see below) providing they don’t do it in the name of the alliance. Then again, if you do commit genocide I except you will have a lot of nations jumping in anyways.

The rules are simple; I doubt you could be allies of the alliance without following them.

1.) No imperialism
2.) No genocide
3.) No slavery
imported_Ell
17-10-2003, 11:01
I thought the Imperial alliance were all do-gooders.
Iuthia
17-10-2003, 11:40
I thought the Imperial alliance were all do-gooders.

Seems that way... but I still don't know becuase I've not had dealings with them...
Roania
17-10-2003, 11:47
Hmm... may I, as a dedicated proponent of genocide, ask whether you have a watchlist?
Iuthia
17-10-2003, 12:11
Hm… I don’t know about the alliance, but I have a watch list, generally there are three different levels that a nation can be on when they have managed to prove themselves a possible danger to Iuthia.

Gray List: Nations that are to be watched for dangerous actions, also used for nations I want to keep an eye for more innocent reasons like making sure a new member is as nice as they say they are. Being on the Gray List has no real effect on our treatment of a nation, though we are more cautious around people on the Gray List.

Black List: Nations that have proven themselves to be completely immoral (in Iuthia’s eye) as well as dangerous nations. Nations on this list often deal in slavery, commit genocide or used Weapons of Mass Destruction. These nations are often shunned at political events as well as having a complete trade embargo on their nations exports, including exports traced to be originally from the nation in question.

Red List: No nation has ever been on Iuthia’s red list, it is relatively useless because it’s a one archaic idea from Iuthia’s “Dark Times”. Any nation on the red list has been marked for destruction for grave crimes against Iuthia. Generally you would have to do something that the Iuthian people completely abhor, a good example would be something like using a nuclear device on an Iuthian city… like a few old traditions, and this one tradition has yet to be revoked. I estimate that no nation will achieve this without doing something very specific…

This list has nothing to do with the alliance. No one is currently on the Red List, about 10 nations are currently on the Black List and about 40 Nations are on the Grey List.
Roania
17-10-2003, 12:31
Am I on any of these lists?
Iuthia
17-10-2003, 12:41
Am I on any of these lists?

OOC: You should be on the black list (WMD) but I haven’t bothered because I’ve not really been involved with your nation much, nor has my nation been opposed to any of your recent wars I’ve been involved in. Because your nation seems very aggressive you are on the Grey List for the time being, verging on the Black List. I would of added you for the attack against Peng-Peu, but that was ignored.
18-10-2003, 01:38
May i join?
this is my third time asking. I'd appreciate it if someone gave me a reply.
New Genoa
18-10-2003, 01:42
May i join?
this is my third time asking. I'd appreciate it if someone gave me a reply.Can you roleplay?
Galdania
18-10-2003, 02:04
1.) No imperialism
2.) No genocide
3.) No slavery

We endorse none of these.

We have been occupied by Grunge-France before (imperialism),
We have been the victims of genocide (Grunge-France killed 55,000 Galdanian civilians through conventional warfare, though they did target schools in their attacks),
We have freed Elven and African slaves from various 'dealers'.

We would like to aid your group if possible.
18-10-2003, 02:11
May i join?
this is my third time asking. I'd appreciate it if someone gave me a reply.Can you roleplay?

Yeah. I've roleplayed with EI and Agrigento, and I'm a moderately sized space tech nation.

We are also against imperialism.
New Genoa
18-10-2003, 02:12
WCS, you're in.

Galdania, sign an NAP w/ Grunge, as he's a member also. Then you may join.
18-10-2003, 02:13
Nice.. i can finally use my ortillery. Provided we have an enemy.

Do we have an enemy yet?
New Genoa
18-10-2003, 02:14
As long as you don't hurt civilians with ortillery, you may use it.
Galdania
18-10-2003, 02:20
This was long ago, and we are currently at peace.

Funny that HE would be an 'anti-Imperialist'.
New Genoa
18-10-2003, 02:23
Ah, very well, welcome to the NAIA.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/norfolk_island--54.jpg
The Free Republic of New Genoa
Iuthia
18-10-2003, 02:25
World's a funny place...

For example, nuclear weapons have become the new MOAB... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1846510#1846510)

Providing Grunge-France doesn't act imperialist now, I don't see the problem... but I'll let other people sort this out, I've not got the finesse to deal with it...
Agrigento
18-10-2003, 02:34
World's a funny place...

For example, nuclear weapons have become the new MOAB... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1846510#1846510)

Providing Grunge-France doesn't act imperialist now, I don't see the problem... but I'll let other people sort this out, I've not got the finesse to deal with it...

well, MOABs are bad enough...We don't even use our MOAB's (don't even have real ones) as liberally as he uses his Nukes. We have a lot..a lot of high tech nukes, but it is completely against our military doctrine to use them as offensive weapons.
East Islandia
18-10-2003, 02:49
Let's set up a missile defense shield or soemthing. Maybe Jake (WCS) has something like that in his inventory. He's leader of a damned space tek nation anyway
Anaguum
18-10-2003, 02:54
Having been a victim of imperialism some time ago, I would be very interested in joining this organization. I hope to put aside any differences I may have with any other members and help smaller nations.

Grand Duke Henri Golovko
New Genoa
18-10-2003, 03:03
We have a potential enemy, the Imperialist League of Gentlemen -- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82480

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/norfolk_island--54.jpg
The Free Republic of New Genoa
Anti-Nazis
18-10-2003, 03:06
I want to join just telegram me if I'm in or i will check if I have time
East Islandia
18-10-2003, 03:07
We have a potential enemy, the Imperialist League of Gentlemen -- http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82480

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/norfolk_island--54.jpg
The Free Republic of New Genoa


(Cradles assault rifle)

hmm... archenemies.. hmm... war...

power to the resistance!
New Genoa
18-10-2003, 03:14
The minute they pull a move of imperialism, we beat 'em to death. Remember, we do not agress, only the imperialists.
Valinon
18-10-2003, 03:21
<Mark, because I want to see how long this lasts.>
18-10-2003, 03:55
We are a peace loving nation, although we had a brutal past we strain to avoid those forgotten ways. Can we join this alliance?
New Genoa
18-10-2003, 17:20
If you can roleplay, then yes.
Markov
18-10-2003, 17:50
My roleplaying skills have to be average......hmmmm.......
Galdania
18-10-2003, 21:41
Galdania would like to warn the Alliance about the nation of Volstik...
They have launched attacks on our ships before, but we cannot dispose of their leader because the King of Volstik has the backing of Grunge-france...
New Empire
18-10-2003, 21:44
Galdania would like to warn the Alliance about the nation of Volstik...
They have launched attacks on our ships before, but we cannot dispose of their leader because the King of Volstik has the backing of Grunge-france...
That's not actually imperialism. Besides, this seems like a thing that would lead to attacking Grunge-France, one of our members.
19-10-2003, 01:36
Galdania would like to warn the Alliance about the nation of Volstik...
They have launched attacks on our ships before, but we cannot dispose of their leader because the King of Volstik has the backing of Grunge-france...
What's it like to get embarassed internationally by a country with a population .03 the size of yours?
19-10-2003, 01:38
OOC: I thought I would let you know that an Empire is not a government system, it is a political entity.
Galdania
19-10-2003, 03:26
Galdania would like to warn the Alliance about the nation of Volstik...
They have launched attacks on our ships before, but we cannot dispose of their leader because the King of Volstik has the backing of Grunge-france...
What's it like to get embarassed internationally by a country with a population .03 the size of yours?

Grunge-France cannot defend you forever.

We never wanted to destroy Volstik. We hope we won't have to.
East Islandia
19-10-2003, 03:30
All who really hate the imperialist league, say "AYE! LETS SHOOT THEM WITH ASSAULT RIFLES AND RPGS AND ANYTHING ELSE!"

once they make a move of course. ANd providing we'd ever pass a vote for military action.

So if the imperialists decide to annex someone can we bomb the sh*(&(&(&(&(&*(*&it out of them? Or do we wait for pleas of help, presuming the country isnt overrun in seconds?
19-10-2003, 05:14
Galdania would like to warn the Alliance about the nation of Volstik...
They have launched attacks on our ships before, but we cannot dispose of their leader because the King of Volstik has the backing of Grunge-france...
What's it like to get embarassed internationally by a country with a population .03 the size of yours?

Grunge-France cannot defend you forever.

We never wanted to destroy Volstik. We hope we won't have to.
I believe you intended to invade volstik at one point if I'm not mistaken
22-10-2003, 00:26
Hey Free Rumania, i heard you used to be FiK at one point. Any basis to this rumor?
Unum Veritas
22-10-2003, 01:31
We have an imperialist situation arising at the thread below. Perhaps this alliance would be interested in getting involved.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1888776#1888776

http://www.angelfire.com/music5/drunk_man/banners/banner_Veritas.gif
"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would harm us.”
-George Orwell
Unum Veritas
22-10-2003, 02:20
BUMP....this situation demands our attention and would be a good way to wet our feet (although it might soon involve the League of Imperialist Gentlemen, so we might be facing off against them, but only if Japann is smart enough to seek their help).
New Genoa
22-10-2003, 02:40
Hey Free Rumania, i heard you used to be FiK at one point. Any basis to this rumor?Yes, he is.
Agrigento
22-10-2003, 02:45
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84125&highlight=
New Genoa
22-10-2003, 02:55
OOC: Yes, Agrigento -- I've seen that and I myself will take action. Pantera and Elara are my allies.
imported_Ell
22-10-2003, 03:54
BUMP....this situation demands our attention and would be a good way to wet our feet (although it might soon involve the League of Imperialist Gentlemen, so we might be facing off against them, but only if Japann is smart enough to seek their help).

Slight problem: Ell, _Taiwan, and Japann are played by the same person. This means I won't be helping in this war. BTW, Japann's backed down (until after the exams, when Sino and I both have more free time to do the "Sino-Japanese war III")
Unum Veritas
22-10-2003, 21:33
BUMP....this situation demands our attention and would be a good way to wet our feet (although it might soon involve the League of Imperialist Gentlemen, so we might be facing off against them, but only if Japann is smart enough to seek their help).

Slight problem: Ell, _Taiwan, and Japann are played by the same person. This means I won't be helping in this war. BTW, Japann's backed down (until after the exams, when Sino and I both have more free time to do the "Sino-Japanese war III")

So is that just going to be a one on one war? Just wondering cause I don't mean to interfere and I have several other RP's going on right now anyways...
Unum Veritas
22-10-2003, 21:44
BUMP....this situation demands our attention and would be a good way to wet our feet (although it might soon involve the League of Imperialist Gentlemen, so we might be facing off against them, but only if Japann is smart enough to seek their help).

Slight problem: Ell, _Taiwan, and Japann are played by the same person. This means I won't be helping in this war. BTW, Japann's backed down (until after the exams, when Sino and I both have more free time to do the "Sino-Japanese war III")

So is that just going to be a one on one war? Just wondering cause I don't mean to interfere and I have several other RP's going on right now anyways...
imported_Ell
22-10-2003, 23:10
It's really just an IC explaination for the OOC Auction/Nation trade.
East Islandia
24-10-2003, 22:00
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/rifle_88.asp
Roania
26-10-2003, 04:46
Just thought I would advise you of my intention to crush the younger nations of this world beneath my armies while I press chemical launch buttons.

First on list... probably Canada-Germany. Just being courteous. So, all of you send your armies to guard your fellow do-gooder, and I'll just conquer someone else while you are dis... I mean, I'll back down and start to sell lollipops.
imported_Ell
26-10-2003, 05:24
OOC: We'll only help them if they're good RPers with a nice track record right?
Roania
26-10-2003, 05:25
OOC: I hope so. Not that I'm planning anything. 8)
East Islandia
29-10-2003, 00:28
ok.... seeing that we havent fired our arms yet or practiced together...
lets hold a joint exercise.

any1 up for it?
imported_Ell
29-10-2003, 03:22
Hmm...I'm up for it. Havn't done much RPing lately.
30-10-2003, 01:08
I will send my Samurai.

The Great Battousai
Himura Kenshin

http://mantrha.de/bilder/rurouni_kenshin.jpg
East Islandia
17-11-2003, 03:11
did NAIA die? i hope not
Unum Veritas
17-11-2003, 03:12
Well let's see, I'm being invaded because I tried to help DT keep from being invaded. Ironically several members of this alliance are helping to invade me....
Agrigento
17-11-2003, 03:17
Well let's see, I'm being invaded because I tried to help DT keep from being invaded. Ironically several members of this alliance are helping to invade me....

Yes such organizations go right out the window the second DT starts killing innocent people and sawing up the limbs of Catholics...
New Genoa
17-11-2003, 03:18
I resigned, Iuthia is the new president. You guys can try to start things back up though...
Agrigento
17-11-2003, 03:19
Unum, I am not trying imperialize you, I am trying make you back off from supporting DT.

Which apparently is working bc already you have pulled your ships away from his side.
Unum Veritas
17-11-2003, 03:22
I only pulled 1/2 of my ships from him. Now look, you guys could have asked me to back down (cause he really didn't need my help anyways). You know, do it like it would have been done in RL through diplomacy, rather than Phyrric's ships magically appearing in my waters immediately.
Agrigento
17-11-2003, 03:24
I only pulled 1/2 of my ships from him. Now look, you guys could have asked me to back down (cause he really didn't need my help anyways). You know, do it like it would have been done in RL through diplomacy, rather than Phyrric's ships magically appearing in my waters immediately.

The time for talk has come and passed. In RL you would have been bombed far before this and in RL if someone asked another nation to stand down, they would not, not in a war of this magnitude, not over the principles that this is.

Now lets stop hijacking this thread.
Unum Veritas
17-11-2003, 03:27
Actually, considering I didn't even know the circumstances for Fluffy invading DT in the first place I might have backed down. I just helped DT cause he was an ally. I had hoped that that conflict would stay near DT and it would end there, rather than have several rash nations attack my own country, without ever wishing to talk through formal diplomatic channels as would have happened in RL.
Iuthia
17-11-2003, 04:28
You would be amazed how many people don't use diplomacy in nationstates...
Agrigento
17-11-2003, 04:33
You would be amazed how many people don't use diplomacy in nationstates...

We offered him a chance in the thread, if he would have negotiated those terms it would have all been avoided.
Iuthia
17-11-2003, 11:26
To be honest, that was a open statement, I don't want anything to do with the Dark Terror crap as I've decided just to keep out of it best I can. Though they could of organised the war much better... shame it turned into a ignore fest in the end.


As you have all probably heard, I'm now the president of the NAIA generally becuase New Genoa gave up on trying to get us active and out there... I suppose the "Invading over Imperialism" thing kinda held us back, though I'm still going to make sure we don't become imperialist by invading imperialists, it would be against the interests of the alliance.

Definition of Imperialism: The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

So what do our members have and why be allied in such a way?

Well, I'm going to try and answer that now the best I can.

Firstly by being a member you will know nation you can contact should you get in trouble as well as having a reason to contact them (being in a alliance).

Members should feel compelled to help Members providing it doesn't go against any other alliance/agreement they are in, however in such a case they shouldn't get involved (at least with the non-NAIA side of it).

Some of the members have offered better prices for NAIA members as well as selling technology to those who want it or need it... they may even give it to you should they feel compelled to do so.

This alliance also gives us links to another set of nations we may not have had contact with before, opening up new possibilities as well as opportunities.


So what do you do in this alliance?

Our aim is to help protect against imperialism the best we can, however as I'm sure you all know, some imperialists are too big to topple and as such we don't have to help against every imperialist action that should take place... we are not looking for a fight, we are just doing the best we can to deter people from violent exspansion.

Basically we would prefer that you use the forums "alert" section to bring action to our attention, you could use this thread as has been done many a time in the past, but we have forums that will allow for some privacy for planning and the such. I've not the the URL at the moment... it's in the thread around page 5-7 somewhere but i'll look later when I'm not using WinWord to write this at work.

Eitherway, you alert us and then we will (as individual nation) decide on whether they can afford the resources to dedicate themselves to a possible conflict. There may be a occasional whip in order when we want as many members in it as possible, but it would still be voluntary... I would just prefer that you at least tell us why.


What can't you do?

1. Anything which could be concidered an imperialistic action. Lets face it, if you are an imperialist, why are you in a anti-imperialist alliance?

2. Slavery. I think this was a moralistic addition put in by the founder of the alliance, New Genoa. I still agree with this rule and as such it will stay, we don't want slavers in our alliance becuase it is more trouble then it is worth...

3. Genocide. Genocide is bad... lets face it, how can anyone claim moral highground when they are doing this... we won't have anyone who does this in our alliance.

Remember, the original rules state that you should be against these... lets try to stick to it.

Exceptions: If you've not done any of these recently (within the past few months) then we will have the alliance concider your joining... it will be held to vote within the forums where members can make their arguements. We except that some members may have once commited imperialist actions, but then again, we all have things in our history we are not proud of... so if it's not too recent, we may accept you anyways.

Thats pretty much it, I hope this has been enough to explain a our outlook on things, it is also subject to change with debate with current members... oh and can you all just please re-confirm your membership status of this alliance becuase I'm sure some of us (if not most) have given up on this venture, but I want to know what I can salvage.

Thanks, James deGritz, leader of Iuthia
New Genoa
17-11-2003, 20:55
Speech added to front page... good luck with the NAIA. :P
Iuthia
17-11-2003, 22:49
Thanks and Bump!

The URL and information is now at the start of the thread on the first post, feel free to check it out and so on...
East Islandia
25-11-2003, 23:34
For one, we propose that the NAIA start its own Counter Terrorism unit. We ourselves have been the recipients of many a truck bomb and hostage situation, thanks to our good neighbor West Islandia and her ilk, and we see that imperialism and terrorism are directly, although subtly, linked together. Besides, terrorists are the scum of the earth, and terrorists are all people's great enemies.
So what do you guys say?

Also, a littl side note; i'm going to have a world wushu tournament in EI. feel free to join
Free Outer Eugenia
26-11-2003, 04:00
How exactly are truck bombs and hostage takings instruments of imperialism? :roll:
Sambizie
26-11-2003, 04:16
How exactly are truck bombs and hostage takings instruments of imperialism? :roll:

Terrorism...not Imperialism :wink:
26-11-2003, 04:24
The People's Republic of Realdunda Is willing to join this allaince
Free Outer Eugenia
26-11-2003, 06:48
How exactly are truck bombs and hostage takings instruments of imperialism? :roll:

Terrorism...not Imperialism :wink:My point exactly. Lets not dilute the goals of this alliance.
East Islandia
26-11-2003, 15:47
fine, then lets do some joint exercises if you want. Agrigento and me will do something along those lines; feel free to join if you wish. Otherwise, dont.
I suppose you're right when u say imperialism and terrorism arent related, so i'll drop that point. But still, it would be highly beneficial to us to start a joint Counter terrorism unit anyway.
_Taiwan
27-11-2003, 12:38
(Posting as Ell)
Somehow I can't get into the site anymore...
27-11-2003, 13:01
Isochronous will react swiftly and decisiveley against any actions of this unauthorised group against other Imperial states.
Iuthia
27-11-2003, 13:07
(Posting as Ell)
Somehow I can't get into the site anymore...

No?

Damn... err... I'll look into it...
Iuthia
27-11-2003, 13:13
The People's Republic of Realdunda Is willing to join this allaince

From what I've seen, your okay to enter this alliance. For members, I will be doing a new list tomorrow of the current members, if any currently listed members would like to confirm they are staying this the alliance then please post in this thread. Same goes for those who would like to leave this alliance, eitherway, if you don't confirm you will be listed as an "inactive" member and that will be explained further tomorrow when I've got more time.
Iuthia
27-11-2003, 13:18
Isochronous will react swiftly and decisiveley against any actions of this unauthorised group against other Imperial states.

Would you like to elaborate? I’m trying to work out if that was a warning or not… either way, we are a defensive alliance and I (the president of NAIA) would like to repeat that it is not within our interests to actively oppose those who we consider imperialists (see definition at start of thread) but to defend other nations from them.

Recent months have shown us to be an alliance struck with apathy but I hope to do something about that soon. We aren't all that small either and I can pull in addition support externally should I require it incase we get a repeat of the Gforce incident.
28-11-2003, 00:06
Isochronous will react swiftly and decisiveley against any actions of this unauthorised group against other Imperial states.

Would you like to elaborate? I’m trying to work out if that was a warning or not… either way, we are a defensive alliance and I (the president of NAIA) would like to repeat that it is not within our interests to actively oppose those who we consider imperialists (see definition at start of thread) but to defend other nations from them.

Recent months have shown us to be an alliance struck with apathy but I hope to do something about that soon. We aren't all that small either and I can pull in addition support externally should I require it incase we get a repeat of the Gforce incident.

What I meant was, that any aggressive action by this alliance will not be tolerated. We are an Empire, however several of our ex-colonies became failed states and the people on the streets wanted us to reassume control.
Iuthia
28-11-2003, 01:16
Hm... well I'll put it to you straight and simple then. We'll do exactly as I've noted in the introduction and if any of these actions are concidered agressive by your nation... then tough luck. We've already stated that this allience will defend nations we feel need defending providing they are defendable. This may include a counter offensive against the antagonist's task force but not his actual nation as that would be something else.

In case you didn't get me, the only things we attack, are those that attack others.


This said, I cannot stop an individual nations own military campaign against imperalists, that would be out of my control, but such actions are not supported by the alliance on the whole.

So enough with the tough talk, if you want to assist nations who are openly attacking the weak in the name of expansion then you may... just be warned that we will be defending nation under attack by imperialistic nations and if you are among them then we will treat you no differently.

So may I ask? Do you like taking over the weak in the name of exspansion?


For those who do not understand what we mean by imperialists, I suggest you read the first post on this topic, if you have not read it, don't waste my time threatening me... I don't care.
Iuthia
28-11-2003, 19:01
Ok guys, the boards have died due to a server crash which has deleted all of our profiles and so on. So I will be creating some IC threads until the issue has been resolved, if it get resolved.

Below is the list of nations who I feel are currently part of this alliance and what their statuses are within the alliance. Please post here to be reinstated as an active member. Land of Ages has been taken of the "under consideration" list.


NAIA Members (Active)

Agrigento
East Islandia
Ell
Free Outer Eugenia
New Empire - Head of R&D
Realdunda
Sambizie
Tiburon
West Warwick
Maropian Coast
Galdania
West Coral Sea
Tilsitsin
Cirdanistan
Crosshill
Unum Veritas


NAIA Members (Inactive)

Grunge-France
Amphib Guinea


NAIA Allies (Not in the NAIA alliance, but supportive)

Omz222


Please, will members who are on the "inactive" list contact me or post to prove you are no longer inactive. If any other member of the alliance has violated any NAIA rules, please give me an example, a link and post it here for us to view.

I will be contacting those who are on the inactive list to check what position they are taking in this allience. Should you wish to be taken from our list, again, pease contact me or post here stating so.


The position of Vice President is open, I will be looking for a replacement once we have got a reply from the inactive members.
New Empire
29-11-2003, 00:49
I'm active, and back with a slew of new tech. You tell me where to post, and I'll lay them on ya.
Iuthia
29-11-2003, 01:37
As the current forum is down I would suggest you start a new thread about NAIA technology... unless you concidering it to be too confidential, either way you could just state that it is a veiwing for NAIA members only so that if any other nation claims they know you have it you could say they Godmod...

If you do decide to do it that way, I'll link it in the above post and get New Genoa to change the first post on this thread... to be honest, I think I'm going to start a new recruitment thread and see how many death threats I get...


Update: The member list has been edited... if you are still on the inactive list, please contact me or post here
New Empire
29-11-2003, 02:53
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2238837#2238837
NAIA R&D thread, a slew of new techs and toys to play with. All are compatible with 2005 and above nations, IMO.
Sambizie
29-11-2003, 18:24
OOC: Iuthia, I am still active as well. I do see my name on the "active" list, however I have yet to sign up for the NAIA forums. To be honest with ya, I belong to too many forums...so I probally will not sign up...but I will remain active on NS.

On a side note...I agree with all the terms of this alliance, however my nation is not located on Earth. I would take some time to mobilize my forces to assist Earth nations. I am going to keep a small reserve fleet, ("conventional" and/or "space"), on Earth.


Emperor Uganda
Iuthia
29-11-2003, 19:45
OOC: Iuthia, I am still active as well. I do see my name on the "active" list, however I have yet to sign up for the NAIA forums. To be honest with ya, I belong to too many forums...so I probally will not sign up...but I will remain active on NS.

The boards have had some problems and the entire server went down a while back, all our profiles were lost and you couldn't register if you wanted to. So we'll keep it here for the time being.
East Islandia
30-11-2003, 03:08
Apathy plagues us..
:(
Iuthia
30-11-2003, 15:24
Yeah well, once I've had a couple days to confirm what members we have, we will start looking into actions we can take.
30-11-2003, 16:57
I have a proposition of action.
Target nation is Nano Soft.
imperialist ambitions:
Nano Soft - Stonies war: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85382
Nano Soft - FabioB war:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97259


violation of UN war conventions: Targeting civilians, government infrastructures, environment, mishandling of POW

Nanosoft: They have started to burn and destroy forest and any where people can hide. They will shot every thing and any thing in there way.

Nanosoft: Group of Ro-Bots see some BA force's running into a near by town. They arm mortars, they start to bombard the town. Then after 30 mins of bombardment the rush in(300 Ro-Bots v3.0) and shoot anything that moves.

Nanosoft: Speacil forces start raiding houses and burning goverment building down. They will search every inch of the city looking for there leader.

Nanosoft: Vi-100 Helocopters come flying in and start torching every city and forest that has no allys in them.

A recent UN proposal is engaged: "Nano Soft out of United Nation"

Thank you for your attention.
Iuthia
30-11-2003, 19:33
INano Soft - Stonies war:

Nano Soft - FabioB war:

The first has little proof to say that it is imperialistic, however we do understand that it is 26 pages of rather baddly RPed fighting (I now land these forces on to your nation!!!11!) being one example. So I will need proof of imperialistic intentions before I even concider joining this.

As for the second war... FabioB was deleted by the mods... so I don't think your going to get very far there....
Iuthia
01-12-2003, 04:11
Apathy plagues us..
:(

Actually, I've had alot of telegrams of people confirming their active status in the alliance... I just need to confirm some more then we'll look into how we can get started with our objectives.
_Taiwan
02-12-2003, 04:35
Imperialism isn't as common as it once was nowadays.
East Islandia
03-12-2003, 15:04
we could hold joint exercises
Sambizie
03-12-2003, 15:35
we could hold joint exercises

I'll "second" that.

M. Uganda

NE: Check TG's.
Unum Veritas
07-12-2003, 04:08
NAIA Members (Under Review)

Unum Veritas

If any other member of the alliance has violated any NAIA rules, please give me an example, a link and post it here for us to view.

I wasn't aware sending help to one's ally was against the rules... :roll:
East Islandia
07-12-2003, 04:13
I WAS aware supporting slavery, genocide, and semi-intelligent godmodders was against the rules.
Unum Veritas
07-12-2003, 04:14
I WAS aware supporting slavery, genocide, and someone with brilliant strategical sense (and nonexistent tactical sense) was against the rules.

I don't remember ever saying, "Yes, let's imprison those damn catholics and burn the gays" or anything like that. I seem to remember me attempting to keep a nation from invading and taking over an ally of mine.
07-12-2003, 04:20
we as a decentalized nation against imperialism and the fascist threat seek to join the alliance, to further the fight against fascism and its ills(imperialism).
comrades/comrada will mutually defend all in the struggle of anti-imerialism/fascism.
long live cpc, long live anti fascist workers bloc!
signed
cpc-decentral command
cpc-autonomous worker soviets
cpc-urban center collectives
Agrigento
07-12-2003, 04:24
I WAS aware supporting slavery, genocide, and someone with brilliant strategical sense (and nonexistent tactical sense) was against the rules.

I don't remember ever saying, "Yes, let's imprison those damn catholics and burn the gays" or anything like that. I seem to remember me attempting to keep a nation from invading and taking over an ally of mine.

Unum, I have no problem with your nation, and I do respect the fact that you came to the aid of your ally....however you are at fault for not fully realizing the causes of the war. You did not directly commit a genocide, but you supported it. I am sorry, but that makes you an accomplice.
Unum Veritas
07-12-2003, 04:28
I WAS aware supporting slavery, genocide, and someone with brilliant strategical sense (and nonexistent tactical sense) was against the rules.

I don't remember ever saying, "Yes, let's imprison those damn catholics and burn the gays" or anything like that. I seem to remember me attempting to keep a nation from invading and taking over an ally of mine.

Unum, I have no problem with your nation, and I do respect the fact that you came to the aid of your ally....however you are at fault for not fully realizing the causes of the war. You did not directly commit a genocide, but you supported it. I am sorry, but that makes you an accomplice.

A. I should have been made aware of this "under review" stuff.
B. Even if I was aware, each nation has a right to govern its own way (especially since this isn't real) and FW was infringing on DT's sovereignty.
C. I do disagree w/DT's treatment of his civilians but I still was under an obligation to help him, and I don't go back on my word. That's what it was all about.
The North Krindel
07-12-2003, 04:31
I would like to join but I fear you may not agree with my tactics. As you may know we use terrorist tactics, finding it the only way to topple imperialism.
Agrigento
07-12-2003, 04:36
UV, I do believe you should have atleast been notified...however I do believe you are at some fault, although your commitment to your ally is admirable, and the terms upon which you ended the war...exceedingly so.

Now the only thing I have to question is whether or not you would have disagreed with this if the War had not taken place. I mean you could have had disdain for it, but you still would have kept silent, if you had not been invaded over it....atleast that is what believe at this moment.

(ooc: Sorry I let that Candle light Vigil thread die. I was really busy that week)
East Islandia
07-12-2003, 04:41
I don't remember ever saying, "Yes, let's imprison those damn catholics and burn the gays" or anything like that. I seem to remember me attempting to keep a nation from invading and taking over an ally of mine.

A. I should have been made aware of this "under review" stuff.
B. Even if I was aware, each nation has a right to govern its own way (especially since this isn't real) and FW was infringing on DT's sovereignty.
C. I do disagree w/DT's treatment of his civilians but I still was under an obligation to help him, and I don't go back on my word. That's what it was all about.[/quote]

If someone launches a genocide of any sort in NS, they're bound to have someone attack them.
DT was lookiing for a fight since everyone always ignores him. You know it, I know it, NS KNOWS IT.
And yes, he does know more about weapons than i do, in case you try to shoot me with the argument that I'm jealous of him. I'm not jealous of him.
I just dont like him.

But if you didnt know about "under review," i guess some1 should have t-gramed you... still we all said you were "under review" in the thread so we thought you knew.

props for being a good if misguided ally however.
Unum Veritas
07-12-2003, 04:42
[quote="Agrigento"]Now the only thing I have to question is whether or not you would have disagreed with this if the War had not taken place. I mean you could have had disdain for it, but you still would have kept silent, if you had not been invaded over it....atleast that is what believe at this moment.quote]

Not sure what you mean by this, but yeah the attempted invasion made it hit home so to speak, but had DT not been my ally I would have either remained neutral or jumped in on your side, but I was bound by my obligation. I didn't count on it jumping to my own nation (caught me by surprise) so that kinda angered me, plus it was too large to keep control of. My point is I should not be "under review" for going to the aid of an ally (and that was my only reason).

BTW Don't worry about the candlelight vigil RP, if you want to reliven it then go ahead and I'll keep posting. There shouldn't be too much left to do with it.
Iuthia
07-12-2003, 15:17
I probably should of notified him, but to be honest, I was more concerned with getting inactive members of the allience to tell me if they have given up... so far we are getting positive feed back.

Meanwhile, I haven't actually done anything other then put you on a list to say you were "under review" because like I've said, I'm to busy making sure we've not lost too many peolpe... when I get around to it I'll start a proper discussion about the whole thing...

While you are free to run your government the way you like, you are not free to support nations which could be considered as slavers or commit genocide seeing as this would make our alliance look like it has double standards. Anyways, the situation didn't look like needed assistance (DT had alot of his uberwank allies helping out) so I didn't think your assistance would be required as such.

Anyways, thats my opinion... I'll make a thread so we can get all our members to voice their opinions because this one is a little packed all ready. Now, I've got some updating to do, we've had alot more confirmations...
Iuthia
08-12-2003, 12:35
NAIA[/i]]Ok guys, the boards have died due to a server crash which has deleted all of our profiles and so on. So I will be creating some IC threads until the issue has been resolved, if it get resolved.

Below is the list of nations who I feel are currently part of this alliance and what their statuses are within the alliance. Please post here to be reinstated as an active member. Land of Ages has been taken of the "under consideration" list.


NAIA Members (Active)

Agrigento
East Islandia
Ell
Free Outer Eugenia
New Empire - Head of R&D
Realdunda
Sambizie
Tiburon
West Warwick
Maropian Coast
Galdania
West Coral Sea
Tilsitsin
Cirdanistan
Crosshill
Unum Veritas

NAIA Members (Inactive)

Grunge-France
Amphib Guinea


NAIA Allies (Not in the NAIA alliance, but supportive)

Omz222


Please, will members who are on the "inactive" list contact me or post to prove you are no longer inactive. If any other member of the alliance has violated any NAIA rules, please give me an example, a link and post it here for us to view.

I will be contacting those who are on the inactive list to check what position they are taking in this allience. Should you wish to be taken from our list, again, pease contact me or post here stating so.


The position of Vice President is open, I will be looking for a replacement once we have got a reply from the inactive members.


Pearoast* for the updates...


* Or Repost for the non-b3ta people in NS
Iuthia
08-12-2003, 13:01
Unum Veritas review thread, NAIA please comment. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2314235#2314235)
Agrigento
10-12-2003, 02:19
Imperialistic Coalition of Nations (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2324958#2324958)

A few of us have already taken note of the activities in this thread, but I think you all should be made aware.
Arthuria-Elizabetia
10-12-2003, 03:35
From the Government of Arthuria-Elizabetia.
Regarding NAIA

The Constitutional Monarchy wishes to convey its interest in your anti-imperialism league. Having been forced under an imperial yolk in our own past, Arthuria-Elizabetia is extremely interested in exporting the message of democracy to our opressed brothers and sisters around the world.

We wish clarification on a few points: what are the position on trade imperialism and military intervention? Arthuria-Elizabetia is willing to consider military action as part of the alliance, but will decide this on a case-by-case basis.

In the names of the constitutional monarchs Conrad I and Talia, and at the instruction of Prime Minister Edward Tancred, we extend our greetings to all members of this alliance.
Agrigento
14-12-2003, 18:58
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102002&start=0


Very important: acts of Imperialism in relation to ICON.
Rukemia
14-12-2003, 18:59
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102002&start=0


Very important: acts of Imperialism in relation to ICON.

OOC: God damn you....
Iuthia
15-12-2003, 02:15
From the Government of Arthuria-Elizabetia.
Regarding NAIA

Greetings, I'm sorry I've taken so long, I've got a few things going on right now and I'll see what reply I can get going tomorrow.
Iuthia
15-12-2003, 13:19
Being that you're the leader of NAIA, i have a request to make. I am the leader of the Azn Resistance, a group that has similar goals and aims as the NAIA, only we also have a strong programs for social as well as economic progress. I would like to secure relations between our two groups, and if you would like to, please check out this thread. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97669&highlight=)

Thank you for your time

Comments, please... I will be looking further into their actions and members once I have the chance, but I am confident that they are very much akin to our organisation... eitherway, they share some of our members so they can't be too different...
Iuthia
15-12-2003, 13:48
New Alert Thread! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2368773#2368773)
New Genoa
15-12-2003, 14:07
--Public Announcement--

It is with great joy that New Genoa has announced its plan to return to the NAIA as a full-fledged member. Once confirmed by the new head of the organization, Iuthia -- who has done a terrific job maintaining the alliance, we will return to our status as a loyal member. 'Tis a good day indeed!

<OOC: I'm baaaaaack!>
Iuthia
16-12-2003, 11:35
Welcome back, and thanks for updating the thread beggining...

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
President of the NAIA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75900&highlight=)

Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
Recent News in Iuthia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83886&highlight=)
Iuthia’s Space News (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97906&highlight=)
imported_Celeborne
16-12-2003, 11:56
We are interested in joining this group.
Iuthia
16-12-2003, 12:42
I must admit, I’m now intrigued myself, Celeborne. I will need to learn more about your nation so I will be conducting brief searches into your history… however any information you wish to share will be appreciated. Though to be honest, our diplomatic corps speaks highly of your nation… I think the word “charmed” was even used.

Anyways, meanwhile feel free to ask any questions you need, I will be answer
them after I have answered the previous questions asked, to be honest, I answered them but the forums died so I guess I'll have to try again without so much detail...


Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
President of the NAIA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75900&highlight=)

Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
Iuthia
16-12-2003, 13:12
We are glad you are interested in this budding alliance of nations, from what we can tell your nation is perfectly acceptable to join this alliance and as such I would be happy to welcome you should you still be interested in joining.

As for your questions, well we would like to think we are opposed to all forms of imperialism but it can be harder to find and react to trade based imperialism as it can keep up on unsuspecting nations… we prefer to deal with something more tangible but should a nation feel threatened by an economic act like that then we may react with our own Economic defense actions, we have several strong nations with strong economies who may be ideal for such assistance.

Now as for military intervention that would depend on the situation at hand, usually we may threaten military assistance to a victim of imperialist threats, however I don’t condone preemptive military action against any nation, that is not what the NAIA is about, we simply make a point of assisting nations threatened by others in that respect. Action within the alliance is not compulsory, we ask that you judge, like you said, each situation case-by-case... after all, we are not all like minded nations, we have many differing nations within the NAIA and they may object for many reasons.

In the case that I am personally requesting assistance from all nations, that is still voluntary but I will require you to tell me why at least... you may even find that your nation cannot afford to assist or is currently dealing with its own issues.

Eitherway, we are not the kind of alliance that demands alot from members, we just want to be connected so we can pool our strength for the cause.

Thanks for listening, I hope that is sufficient.


Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
President of the NAIA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75900&highlight=)

Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
East Islandia
16-12-2003, 19:18
New Empire, AG, and I are involved on opposite sides of the Diayoutai crisis. A link is provided below:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103693&highlight=
Agrigento
16-12-2003, 21:48
I can vouche for Celeborne. He is a great ally of mine and fellow member of the ANH. He is an excellent RPer and a valuable friend.
Brydog
16-12-2003, 21:54
can i join
Scandavian States
16-12-2003, 22:03
As an imperialist government, we cannot in good conscience be a member of or support an orginization so blindly anti-imperialist. Remember, perceptions, even adept ones, are not correct 100% of the time and if you push those perceptions despite that, you will alienate those imperialists who are generally good and would support you against those who abuse their power.
Iuthia
17-12-2003, 00:44
As an imperialist government, we cannot in good conscience be a member of or support an orginization so blindly anti-imperialist. Remember, perceptions, even adept ones, are not correct 100% of the time and if you push those perceptions despite that, you will alienate those imperialists who are generally good and would support you against those who abuse their power.

Firstly, I've already stated that we judge each situation case-by-case and that each member nation does this according to their own limits and understanding.

Now, I've pointed out that were are against Imperialism and that we define imperialism as...

The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

Now, this definition was taken from Dictionary.com and it can mean a great deal of things, however... each possible meaning of this sentance ulimately could be done to a damaging extent, each could be dangerous and as such it is up to each member nation to judge how a certain action is affecting a nation and then react accordingly.


We are not blind when looking into a situation, we will communicate with both sides before any action is taken, if you cannot accept that then that is you're problem. Now, may I suggest that any action you do that may be concidered "imperialistic" should have a very good reason for doing so, something more then "I felt like it" or "I need more land"... however if you are doing something to stop genocide then we will most likely look aside.


Now, I know you to be a relatively good ally and I don't wish to intimidate you. I will also take your point on board but I feel you are jumping to conclusions about our alliance... to be honest we haven't really done much as an allaince, currently all member nations are plodding along as normal with the occasional link posted here to get others to assist... that is pretty much all we do unless we find something we feel we must react to we will keep up that pace.


Eitherway, I'm not going to change my ways... we are against Imperialism on principal and all nations who have joined are pretty much the same as when they came in... only now we are pooling our resources.
Scandavian States
17-12-2003, 01:23
Scandavian States
17-12-2003, 01:24
I probably am jumping to conclusions, but I also know that most of the imperialists on this board see imperialism as a free ticket for mass slaughter and wanton destruction, so can you really blame me for making my thoughts known just so I don't end up in NAIA's crosshairs?

As it so happens, I was planning on doing something suitably imperialistic, but I want your blessing before I do it.
New Genoa
17-12-2003, 03:02
I probably am jumping to conclusions, but I also know that most of the imperialists on this board see imperialism as a free ticket for mass slaughter and wanton destruction, so can you really blame me for making my thoughts known just so I don't end up in NAIA's crosshairs?

As it so happens, I was planning on doing something suitably imperialistic, but I want your blessing before I do it.

Peaceful imperialism is appreciated. That is, obtaining the territory through peace negotiations and such. As Iuthia said, each situation is reviewed and warnings are issued before any action is taken.

-Foreign Affairs-
Agrigento
17-12-2003, 03:50
Imperialism is Imperialism....whether its by Bullets, Bibles or with Money.

Economic Imperialism is just as bad, sometimes worse.

Intimidation is Imperialism none the less.

In my eyes atleast.
East Islandia
17-12-2003, 04:09
SS, please clarify "PEACEFULLY IMPERIALISTIC."
We of EI are not so sure of your meanings, and we are rabidly anti-imperialist, so this may not be the best of situations.

ANd New Genoa, you disappoint me. If territory were obtained through peaceful means, it would not fall under imperialism would it?

And whatever the case, there is no substitute for the people.

Chai Jun, acting Premier of East Islandia, speaking in the Politburo today
imported_Celeborne
17-12-2003, 07:42
Agrigento, thank you for the glowing recomindation.

I think that I know enough about this orginization to know that I would like to join. I am overjoyed to know that your diplomatic corps speak well of us. Please take your time in reviewing our grand nation and we look forward to hearing from you.

First Speaker
Celeborne
Layarteb
17-12-2003, 07:48
The Empire of Layarteb smirks and chuckles.
Iuthia
17-12-2003, 11:14
ANd New Genoa, you disappoint me. If territory were obtained through peaceful means, it would not fall under imperialism would it?

I'll answer this one, it's simply a communication problem that needs addressing here and now.

As you are aware, Imperialism can be a great many things, from economic dominance of a nation to the physical invasion of a nation in order to make it part of your own.

However, the definition is very broad and I covered all of it in our alliance because imperialism is often not as simple as black and white. It is great many shades of grey from light to dark. We are simply trying to cover the dark patches the best we can.

Anyways, back to the definition of imperialism. Let us examine this part of the definition: "The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition"

Now this could be interpreted in several ways but let me make it simple by cuting it down to three cases.

1. Invasion, a nation invades another in the hope of increasing it's territories and thus increasing its power in the world. This could include invasion and government change in such a way that your own people leading their nation change their policy... idealy we are against both versions.

2. Deal, a nation could aquire terrority though a peaceful (or not so peaceful) deal over a disputed piece of land, this can be done fairly or with pressure... but it would depend on the situation. Eitherway we are against situations which are forced unjustly, though it would require a large amount of insight into the situation.

3. Colonies, a nation could find a piece of land yet un-inhabited by sentient creatures and then set up a colony to inhabit the island and increase their territory which in turn increases their power. However this is not always the case and some nations wipe out the indiginous population in order to support their own colonies. We are against anything which takes land from another set of people, un-inhabited territorial acquisition through a colony should not be bother by us, however in the case of taking land from others that is to be opposed by us.


As you can see, just this part alone tells us that many different versions of Imperialists exist, some can so things legitmatly, some can't. It's up to us to judge which of those are not a threat to others and then defend against the rest. to attack anything with the word "Imperialist" on it would be foolish. To define imperialism in simple terms would also be foolish and would make us look ignorant to the many forms it can take.

I may resay this in a more understanding way in the future and include it in our starting posts, I think we need to make it clear that we are not opposed to legitmate territorial acquisition, don't you?

Thanks,


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Iuthia
17-12-2003, 11:49
The Empire of Layarteb smirks and chuckles.

OOC: Is that an IC post? Are to communicating the fact you are smiling and chuckling? Eitherway, can we please limit spam posts like this...
Iuthia
17-12-2003, 12:02
Just to remind everyone that I am currently looking for a NAIA member to take the position of Vice President within our organisation. As Vice President of NAIA your role will be to advise me during decision making, warn me of the consquences of my actions as well as accepting members into the organisation, you may also take the role of arbitrator should we have a internal conflict. You will also be expected to take my place should anything happen to me or I am forced to resign.

I am looking for a nation who understands the alliance, that is capable of good role-play and understands the limits of our alliance as well as our strengths.
Layarteb
17-12-2003, 17:28
The Empire of Layarteb smirks and chuckles.

OOC: Is that an IC post? Are to communicating the fact you are smiling and chuckling? Eitherway, can we please limit spam posts like this...

Yes it is IC. Our emperor is highly amusing and has a good sense of humor. If it were OOC it would say OOC.
Scandavian States
17-12-2003, 17:46
Peaceful Imperialism is mainly the acquisition of land through non-violent means, although if someone were to attack either ourselves or our allies we would go into the conflict with the goal of not only winning but getting something out of it as well. If this offends any of you, I am truly sorry.
Iuthia
19-01-2004, 02:43
Aww crap... I didn't realise I left Celeborne on a thread for so long...

*ahem*

Sorry about that, I think I got pretty tangled in my UNAOTO affairs and left this alliance in the dark too long. Celeborne, you are invited as a member to join us in a "Brian Storming" session I'm going to get started within the hour. If you still want to be in the NAIA you are welcome...

As for everyone else, I am going to (once again) awaken this alliance with a discussion about where this alliance is going, where it wants to go and how we intend on getting there. This will also be an opportunity for us all to update one another on any current events you would like to share (anything you want to discuss about your nations actions, achievements and failures)... ideas are more then welcome and if you have a matter that needs attention we would all like to hear it.

As I said, I will set up the thread for it within the hour and telegraming everyone in the "active member" list. Again, I will probably be asking if you still want your name to be in this alliance, some of you may not be happy with my leadership so feel free to say so... basically it's going to be a thread away from this one to re-light the fires of our alliance which caused so much fuss when we created it (remember Geforces reaction? :lol: )

So please, stay tuned to this space for more details.

Sorry I've been inactive for so long... I've held alot of people up but now I'm going to make the effort.

Thanks,


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Iuthia
19-01-2004, 03:15
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2612319#2612319

Heres the thread, please at least tag if you have nothing to say so I know you are interested. I will probably start us off if no one else does.