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Separatist war+ new war against Attica = outside help needed

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21-09-2003, 19:10
It is the second day of the separatist war or comonly called 2nd independance war. Emperor Komarninski as sent messages to every nation willing to help him reduce this armed uprising and restore order and democracy.

A little info about the situation:
-FPC has 36 countys (states)
-2 of them have rebelled (in all, 1.5 million people in those two countys plus 500,000 rebelling soldiers)
- Neighboring countys may revolt if order is not restored.
-Imperial forces present near the border with the uprising countys:
1 million soldiers
3,000 asorted tanks
50 airplanes (Mig 25)
1,500 asorted armored and non-armored vehicles
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 19:13
The McLeodian forces inside FPC prepare to defend civilians on either side of the conflict.

THe King offers his best wishes to teh FPC government, and offers any further support they need.
21-09-2003, 19:14
Secret IC:

To: Emperor of FPC
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski

Since we beleive McLeod might use his base in FPC as a springboard for an invasion of Attica, we humbly request that you remove the McLeodian forces from FPC. If necessary, we can send some Reichspolizei units over to protect civilians.
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 19:17
Secret IC:

<Message>

TO: FPC
FROM: MAFCCP

I suggest that any communique from a member of the Attican Empire be simply burnt or deleted. They are facing a large coalition who are angered by the Kaisers threats and aggressiveness.

He will most likely be destroyed, along with his fancy seawall.
Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 19:17
What sort of government are the rebels trying to set up?
Gurian
21-09-2003, 19:18
I do not want to be directly involved. However Gurian will send medical teams to pick up the wounded, from both sides. Please do not interfere. I believe in the sanctity of human life, however I do not want to be forced to fend off your men.

All of those seriously wounded shall be brought back to Gurian for treatment, unless you make your hospitals available to us. For those fighting against you, we will grant them asylum should they request it.

Finally, I am willing to take any of these people should they want to move to Gurian. I will send a few troop ships along to pick anyone up, should you accept this.

I pray that few get hurt and peace and order is restored soon.

Sincerely,
Christopher Anderson
Dictator of Gurian
21-09-2003, 19:22
Battle of Kulikovo gardens:

The plan was simple: assault the gardens of Kulikovo where some high separatist generals are, kill them and escape back to the imperial lines. It all began at 5:00 AM. Around 120 soldiers went trough the sewers to their destination. Many were fathers or mothers of huge families and had lot's to live for.

After walking for 30 minutes, they finally arrived under the kulikovo gardens. They climbed out to check if the coast was cleared, adn then, began their assault. They entered the main building and killed off a couple of guards. About half of the commandos climbed the stairs up to the level where general were. When they finaly got there, the place was empty. That's when they heard an explosion.

It was a set up, a tank had fired an explosive shell at the level were half of the commando was. 34 of them died instantly. The others, who were waiting downstairs, began retaliating at the incomign tanks and infantry. They shot down many a separatist soldier but lacking anti-tank weapons, they had to fall back inside. At this point, more than 67 commandos were dead and another 13 were wounded.

The separatist tried to charge the building but were alwas repulsed by the well aimed fire of the commandos. That's when they set fire to the building and threw hand-grenades in. The commandos, without any more escapes, made a final charge while firing at every separatist they could see. When they managed to get get out of the blazing appartement complex, they were met by 4 tanks who had their barrels aimed at them. No more gunfire was heard that morning...

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Commando before the attack
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near kulikovo gardens
21-09-2003, 19:24
Secret IC:

To: Emperor of FPC
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski

We recomend you let the seceding states cede. Your economy is beginning to faulter, and the war is not helping.
Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 19:24
What are the rebels goals? Their political ideals?
21-09-2003, 19:26
--To Attica--
I will authorise McLeodian troops in FPC. I have no signs what so ever that McLeod want's to invade you

--To Mcleod--
Thanks for your help It is much needed.

--To Squornshelous--
ATM, they are thinking about any government, they just want secession because one of their fellow soldier was executed for burning the imperial flag (wich is punishable by death in the FPCian army).

--To Gurian--
Ok, You can send some medical personnel and you will have some hospital and make-shift medical tents available to treat the wounded. Also, I will not let you take FPCians from FPC. They must face a trial for rebelling or death.
21-09-2003, 19:29
What are the rebels goals? Their political ideals?

Thei goal is to cecede from the empire. THeir political ideas are a mixture of communism, capitalism and socialism. If they succeed in seceding, they will surely fight themselves after the war for their numerous political and religious beliefs. Only the empire of FPC has tolerance for these numerous groups.

--To Attica--
--From Emperor Komarninski--
I will not let those rebelious idiots secede from me. I will cleanse these 2 countys from the scourge that they are and I will replace them by other, hard working people.
21-09-2003, 19:29
To: Emperor of FPC
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski

But, since the states are near your border, the people there will relate to the Attican soldiers better, be able to communicate with them better, etc, then the McLeodian soldiers.
Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 19:29
Ah, I see. They're just rebelling because they don't like your justice system. I have decided to support your troops. What do you need? Supplies? Cash? Troops?
21-09-2003, 19:30
OOC: Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism arent political beliefs, they are economic beliefs.
21-09-2003, 19:31
Ah, I see. They're just rebelling because they don't like your justice system. I have decided to support your troops. What do you need? Supplies? Cash? Troops?

Just troops. Because of FPC's international policies, I can only let you bring 20,000 soldiers , 2000 tanks and 500 airplanes.
Gurian
21-09-2003, 19:31
Dictator Anderson watched the conflict from Gurian's satellite network and recon planes.

My god, he thought. The conflict was horrifying. The loss of life was spectacular.

Dictator Anderson frowned and continued to watch the conflict. The separatists seemed to have quite an army.

Would they be happier in Gurian? Well, I pray this conflict is over soon. I must not interfere, he thought. Dictator Anderson hated death and war. But he knew he shouldn't interfere more than sending medical teams.

Dictator Anderson sighed, and shut off the link. He had work to do.
21-09-2003, 19:34
FPC news:
"A terrorist act ladies and gentlemen. I never thought I'd see this again after the end of TGC. It seems TGC or the separatists have begun using these terror tactics to win the war. A van, full of explosives, rammed the mayor's office of the Gov county today. Casualties were low since it was the weekend. Around 9 persons were killed and 12 were wounded. I do hope that this was only a random act and not the start of another terrosit campaign."

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Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 19:43
I am pleased to report that the following forces are being gathered to ship out to FPC:

Ground forces:
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Ranger battalions---5,000 troops

20th Airborne division---15,000 troops

4th Armored Division---2,000 assorted tanks and armored vehicles

Air Forces:
2nd, 5th and 8th tactical bomber wings---
108 FB-111 Ardvaarks
72 F-14 Tomcats
36 H-1A Firestorms (helicopter)

23rd and 25th Fighter wings---
72 F-16 Falcons
36 F-15 Eagles
36 MiG 33's
Felimid MacFal
21-09-2003, 19:43
OOC: I'm back... lord... does playing catch up ever suck

IC: As of yet the Felimid MacFal forces have remained neutral in the fighting due to the Federation's disaproval of Imperialistic nations, but their current warm relations with the FPC emporer. However they will continue their duty to defend FPC from Attican invasion.
21-09-2003, 19:45
FPC news:
"Today, emperor Komarninski decided to ock down another county near the two uprising one. This county, says our emperor, has a load of fanatical believers taht could revolt at anytime. Emperor Komarninski decided to close all universities, schools, weapons training centers & other places that oculd teach people about revolting and uprisings. The military was also sent to ensure that no one would teach people possible dangerous stuff."
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21-09-2003, 19:47
Secret IC:
To: FPC Rebels
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski

If you have your states join the Attican Empire, we will assist you in your conflict against FPC.
21-09-2003, 19:48
To Felimid MacFal--
The soldiers are rebeling because military law was done. One of their ocmrade was executed for burning an imperial flag wich is punishable by death in the imperial army.

to Squornshelous--
Thank you. Could you send your soldiers to a section of the trenches? Here are the coordinates *sends them through internet on a coded message*.
21-09-2003, 19:50
Secret message sent to Attica
From the rebel forces
"YOur proposition is tempting, but we will not take it right away. We wouldn't want to have more troubles if we lose because everyone in FPC knows that being affiliated with Attica will get you in big troubles. But we'll think about it. Just remember, this is our independance war."
21-09-2003, 19:52
*IC* The Attican Empire stages military exercises near the border, near the area where the rebels are fighting in FPC.
Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 19:52
we have recieved your coordinates, a portion of our Airborne troops will be airdropped into place. The other troops (especially the tanks) will take more time to arrive. How desperately do you need these troops, because it would be possible to airdrop all of our infantry at once and have our fighters and bombers fly straight to your bases instead of using ships.
21-09-2003, 19:53
we have recieved your coordinates, a portion of our Airborne troops will be airdropped into place. The other troops (especially the tanks) will take more time to arrive. How desperately do you need these troops, because it would be possible to airdrop all of our infantry at once and have our fighters and bombers fly straight to your bases instead of using ships.

You can take your time. We are holding the lines just fine.
Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 19:55
Ok, we'll only airdrop about 5,000 troops near that position. The remaining Airborne troops will be dropped further back from the front line, for staging. The tanks, planes and Rangers will arrive at a later time.
21-09-2003, 19:57
--TO Attican empire--
--From the proud empire of FPC--
Be warned, attica, that if you help those rebelling citizens of mine, you will be declared war as it will be a sign that you wish to conquer my territories. Be aware, this is your only warning.
--OVER--
21-09-2003, 20:03
To show it's military's pride, emperor Komarninski made a big parade involving 1 million soldiers (reserves), 800 tanks and 4,000 vehicles. The public was happy to see it's military in all it's pride.
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21-09-2003, 20:04
The Attican Military steps up exercises, and introduces the King Leopard tank into the exercises.
21-09-2003, 20:07
FPC news:
"In a daring move, 10,000 soldiers, 1,200 tanks and 400 vehicles took a large band of territory that covers the border with Attica. There was numerous battles andm any casualties but after a week, this path was secured so that no separatist could escape into Attican territroy.
Casualites:
FPC - 1,200 dead, 189 tanks out of service and 78 vehicles knocked out.
Separatist - 2,455 dead, 300 tanks & 100 vehicles
21-09-2003, 20:08
Secret IC:
To: FPC Rebels
From: Attican Empire

Accept our offer ASAP!
21-09-2003, 20:10
TO attica
from rebel soldiers--
"We would love to... don't.....Soldiers....for... "*connection cut*

It appears that FPC has cut every phone lines or message line going into Attica. Also, every internet or cell phone ocnnection in those two rebelling countys have been cut from the outside world. There is no way to reach the rebels.
Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 20:11
The fleet of aircraft carrying 5,000 Squornshelan Airborne troops nears it's drop coordinates.
21-09-2003, 20:12
Public television:

Kaiser Otto Petinski outlies the situtation in front of the Attican Congress.

Congressmann Sturmplot: "We must stop these horribly acts of violents!"
Congressmann Kuklinski: "Let us invade these territories!"


A vote was called for in Congress on a petition of War against the Empire of FPC.
21-09-2003, 20:13
Public television:

Kaiser Otto Petinski outlies the situtation in front of the Attican Congress.

Congressmann Sturmplot: "We must stop these horribly acts of violents!"
Congressmann Kuklinski: "Let us invade these territories!"


A vote was called for in Congress on a petition of War against the Empire of FPC.

OOC: don'T you think it's stupid of you to try and start a war with me and my allies while you already are waging another one?
Squornshelous
21-09-2003, 20:13
The planes reach their drop zone and the paratroopers leap out.

OOC: I have to go, FPC you are free to command these 5,000 troops
21-09-2003, 20:14
OOC: Well the war against FC is fairly small ATM...
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 20:23
Following the possible declaration of war on FPC by the Attican Empire, King James IV has agreed to deploy more troops to the area, and his brother, Commander-in-Chief of the MAF, Prince Michael, has planned a visit to the area to ascertain whether to risk a war against both Attica and the seperatists is feasible.
21-09-2003, 20:26
Following the talks of war amongst the congressmen of Attica, emperor Komarninski has decided to call all reserves and all partisan units.

Thus having a force of roughly 6 million soldier and 1 million partisans.
Also, production of weapons, ammo, tanks and aircrafts have doubled since all non essential commodities have been replaced by essential stuff. (ex: large compagines do not build washers, dryers or fridge...they build military weapons, military car, tanks...)
21-09-2003, 20:33
OOC: Are you attacking me? Because you changed the topics name to war with attica.
Felimid MacFal
21-09-2003, 20:42
OOC: double. my bad.
Felimid MacFal
21-09-2003, 20:42
OOC: arent you, Attica, already at war with some group or somthing? and if that is the case, you would be in no position to wage war against FPC.
21-09-2003, 21:22
OOC: Well, they seem to be attacking me and claiming my casualties for me (you cant just say Bomber dropped bombs over attica), soo....
Felimid MacFal
21-09-2003, 21:26
OOC: so i guess you are ignoring them. :P
21-09-2003, 21:30
OOC: pretty much, considering they dont even give my fighters a chance. I seriously doubt daily bombings would occur without ANY combat.

We beleive that FPC is in violation of the following UN Statutes:

Fair trial act

The Universal Bill of Rights act

Due Process act

and

The Wolfish Convention on POWs
21-09-2003, 21:36
Battle of Mont Camalov:

In the centre of the trench line, the rebels plotted to assault. It was, theoraticaly, the weakest point. With only 60,000 soldiers and 300 tanks, it was relatively weak. The rebels planned the attack weeks in advance. They assembled 100,000 soldiers & 500 tanks. They were the last tanks available and they wanted to use them right.

The one thing that they didn't know was, that over 50,000 partisan soldiers were dispatched to this particualr section of the trench line along with 80 pieces of assorted artillery.
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Partisan figthers walking to the trenches

The battle began at 6:00 AM. Rebel soldiers charged all along the lines and trenches. The Imperial, reacted by firing their artillery pieces. These bombardments made huge casualties but the rebels continued to advance. They finaly got to the Imperial trenches and began to make small firefights all along the trenches.

Then, the tanks arrived, the rebel and imperial tanks fired at themselves and at infantry. The battle reached it's peak at around noon when 30 imperial aircrafts were sent as reinforcements. Each time they passed over the rebel soldiers, they left a trail of death and misery. Soon, the rebels began retreating back to their original positions. They cam close to victory when at 11:20 AM, they opened a gap in the imperial line. But, they weren't anymore men to send.

The casualties had been severe: (KIA or WIA)
FPC - 30,000 imperial soldier + 24,000 partisans + 230 tanks knocked out + 25 artillery pieces destroyed
Rebels - 67,000 soldiers + 439 tanks knocked out

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Soldiers watching the imperial artilery at work
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Imperial tank attacking
Crookfur
21-09-2003, 21:37
The kingdom of Crookfur offers the FPC the services of the 2nd Highland Divsion (think the UK 3rd (ready) division but with my weapons ie 18,000 personel (inc crews and support units), 232 MBTs and about 1500 other vehciles and arty units)).

Attached to this will be An air defence brigade (big SAMs), 2 fighter wings (A39s, CFF-5Cs, CFF-5Es and soem other odds and ends), 1 tactcal bomber wing (super vulcans and B-1Bs) and a joint helicopter support unit (Roc and kestrel Rotodynes).

Our transport vessels should arrive shortly after gaining deployment permission(based on the time it took for FC to reach our ports).
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:15
McLeodian troops have deployed to the FPC/rebel border, ready to supress the rebels on the following conditions:

a) We recieve permission from FPC
b) The rebels are considered to commit criminal acts.

Any attempts by foreign powers to aid the rebels will be seen as an act of war against our allies in FPC.
21-09-2003, 22:22
--To Crookfur--
I will accept your men and equipement. Though they will be most likely used after the war or for defending my empire from Attica. Though keep some regiments available to do some actions against the rebels.

--To McLeod--
a) you have permission but need to do battles along my general orders so to not have to much friendly fire
b) They have killed FPCian soldiers and rebelled against the emperor wich is a crime in FPC. THey have done too much criminal acts already.
21-09-2003, 22:24
The Attican Congress has returned their decision. The 2000 congressmen have made the following decision:

Declaration of war on the Empire of FPC

Yes:/76%
No:/24%

The Kaiser is expected to give a declaration of war to FPC shortly.
21-09-2003, 22:25
--to Attica--
What are you talking about? People in FPC are given a fair trial and have all the rights that any human being should receive. Also, what are you talking about with your PoW thing?
21-09-2003, 22:26
You did not give the rebels a fair trial. And work camps are NOT PoW camps.
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:29
Following the permission to engage rebel forces, the McLeodian troops make their move.

A force of 800 Infantry in 100 M-3 Bradleys, supported by 200 T-96 tanks has made an armoured drive towards a known rebel base, previously an FPC military base.

Air support is given by 25 Mi-35Es, 25 Mi-35Bs, and a strike attack group of 12 F-15E Strike Eagles.
21-09-2003, 22:30
OOC: First of all, you don,t know nothing about those work camps for the rebels who were captured after the first separatist war.

IC: Emperor Komarninski made a speech to the nation. He called all able peopel to carry weapons to go to their nearest recruitement center in their towns. It is expected that the army will grow from a now 6 million soldier to 10 million plus many partisan units. Emperor Komarninski also sent a message to the Kaiser saying that a war against FPC meant a war agianst humanity, free world and all allies of FPC.
21-09-2003, 22:33
OOC: you are aware it is out of the Kaisers hands now? The Reichskongress' decisions veto those of the Kaiser. It is the Kaiser's job to carry out their wishes.
21-09-2003, 22:34
OOC: you are aware that your declaration of war is based around nothing plausable. You doN't have any proof ofallegations you have made towards me. You ahve no evidence what so ever and you will pay if you invade one inch of FPC territory.
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:37
The force arrives at the military base, sweeping 7.62mm, 25mm, and 135mm gunfire through buildings and defences.

(FPC, post losses for the rebels)
21-09-2003, 22:37
The force arrives at the military base, sweeping 7.62mm, 25mm, and 135mm gunfire through buildings and defences.

(FPC, post losses for the rebels)

The rebels lose around 560 soldier. An additional 156 get away.
21-09-2003, 22:39
OOC:Well, I was told IC in a tgram that McLeod is part of the coalition against me, so im dead if i do, dead if i dont.
21-09-2003, 22:40
OOC: Attica, you've got so many ennemies that I'm surprised you ain't annexed yet.
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:40
The force withdraws again, heading back to base for the day.

Total losses =

6 Bradleys

23 Infantrymen
21-09-2003, 22:41
OOC: Actually, ive been annexed like 2 times.
Crookfur
21-09-2003, 22:41
The Fleet carrying the 2nd Highland division's heavy equipment has cast off and is currently enroute to thier deploym,ent location, escorted by the 3rd carrier group, the adanced elements of the division (infantry, some vehicles and few MBTs in our AN-225s and other transports) are arriving as we speak as are ground crews to prepare for the arrival of the air units.

In response to the escallation of the sitation Crookfur strategic bomber forces have been put on alert, recon flights stepped up(see those large and rahter obvious radar thingies that have been zipping aorund in open airspace for the past wee while? well those are our SR-71X aircraft or rather thier exhaust plumes) and a number of satalites repositioned (including a number of Pepsi and Irn-Bru advertising sats (you know the ones you look at with a telescope and see a huge billboard with advertising ;) and silly but cheap way of doing things).
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:42
OOC:Well, I was told IC in a tgram that McLeod is part of the coalition against me, so im dead if i do, dead if i dont.

A t-gram from who?
21-09-2003, 22:44
OOC: I am not sure if it was IC or OOC, but freedom country.
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:46
OOC: I am not sure if it was IC or OOC, but freedom country.

OOC: This being the same Freedom Country who was in the coalition and formed an alliance with me with the intention of attacking you?

I'm out of that coalition, because that was only if you attacked FPC, or went to war with him.

Oh wait. You have.
21-09-2003, 22:48
OOC:FC Said you were still in it, so....


Secret IC:

To: King of McLeod03
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski

During the Reichsgehemdienst's stay in FPC, we uncovered a number of documents relatin to FPC's treatment of it's own people. You might be interested in seeing them, no?
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:50
Secret IC:

<Message>

TO: Kaiser Otto Petinski
FROM: King James IV

Despite your disregard for my father, and the hatred my nation feels towards you, the treatment of civilians is a priority of ours. Please send the information.
21-09-2003, 22:53
*Information faxed to McLeod03*

To: King James IV of McLeod03
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski of Attica, King of Atisca.

I meant no disrespect to your father. I beleive your father and I were both cought up in the moment.
McLeod03
21-09-2003, 22:56
*Information faxed to McLeod03*

To: King James IV of McLeod03
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski of Attica, King of Atisca.

I meant no disrespect to your father. I beleive your father and I were both cought up in the moment.

Secret IC

To: Otto Petenski
From: King James IV

I still hold the stress of that arguement as the key reason for my fathers death. Therefore, i hold you responsible. Documents are being analysed.
Felimid MacFal
21-09-2003, 22:57
--President Damocles of the Federation of Felimid MacFal--
--to FPC--

We have a very sizable force within your nation at the moment. We request permission to use them in combat agrainst the rebel forces. If need be we can use our bombers to smash the enemy lines in preperation of an attack from your infantry.
21-09-2003, 22:57
OOC: If you want to know the true contents of the document, Tgram me.
21-09-2003, 23:31
OOC: Bump
22-09-2003, 00:09
OOC: Waiting for McLeod03's reply....
Crookfur
22-09-2003, 00:10
The fleet carrying the rest of the 2nd hihgland division's equipment arrived this morning and the division began to fully deploy to thier bases. the fighter and bomber elements arrived during the night with the helicopter froce not long behind.

Crookfur also offers FPC the use of a number of CFU-12 AWACS and CFU-12 stand off surveilance platforms
22-09-2003, 00:11
OOC: No you havent. Time is stopped until McLeod replies.
22-09-2003, 00:56
OOC: you can give documents to McLeod but still, they are not solid proof of FPC's treatment of politcal dissidents. Also, don't you think your congress wouldn't vote to open a new front with another country full of troops that dislike your country? That would be kinda suicidal.

IC:
--To Felimid MacFal--
Yes, please use your troops to attack the rebel line. (OOC: I'll put a message about a big invasion. YOu'Ll be able to post your actions yourself and claim your casualties.)
--OVER--

--To CrookFur--
Yes, please send your bombers and bomb any rebel position. Feel free to bomb non-military targets if you wish but only the ones who seem to shleter rebel soldiers.
--OVER--
22-09-2003, 00:59
FPC news:
"Today, our emperor sent many messages to the rebel countys. In them, he promised that any rebel who would come back to FPC would be treated well and would be spared. He gave the 1.5 million rebeling inhabitans 2 days to choose. More updates later."
Felimid MacFal
22-09-2003, 01:04
IC:
--To Felimid MacFal--
Yes, please use your troops to attack the rebel line. (OOC: I'll put a message about a big invasion. YOu'Ll be able to post your actions yourself and claim your casualties.)
--OVER--

OOC: please explain that. it was a little to vague... your OOC part, i mean.
22-09-2003, 01:13
FPC news:
"Just hours after posting his messages, over 600,000 inhabitants surrendered to imperial forces. They crossed the border and were transfered to specaly built gathering halls. Since they had rebelled, the emperor decided to send them to special camps built to reeducate dissidents. No harm will be done to them however as the emperor stated and they will be well treated.

So much did he want to be believed that he even gave the comand of these reeducation camps to specialy trained teachers, not the secret services. This is a big relief to the 600,000 inmates because the secret services are know for their brutality."

*Secret IC* (OOC: that means you don't know about it but I'll post it just so it's more fun)
The 600,000 inmates taht surrendered are sent to these "reeducation camps" in trains. These wagons are used normaly to transport cows or other stuff. not humans. When they finally arrive at destination, they are let into large spaces surrounded by high barbed wire fences. They are divided between men, women and children.

Each category are examined by doctors who either put them in the "take" category or "leave" category. Those who are "taken"(around 10% of total), are sent to secret government Uranium mines where they will work for the rest of their lives as punishements for their actions.

Those who are "left"(90%), are packed again in wagons to be taken to an undisclosed, underground location. When they are forced out, they see the last structure they'll ever see... specialy built barracks where they will be cramped and then, deadly mustard gas or other types of gas will be sent in those barracks.
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22-09-2003, 01:15
IC:
--To Felimid MacFal--
Yes, please use your troops to attack the rebel line. (OOC: I'll put a message about a big invasion. YOu'Ll be able to post your actions yourself and claim your casualties.)
--OVER--

OOC: please explain that. it was a little to vague... your OOC part, i mean.

Basically, I'll make a reply that will be a short story of a battle. I'll include your troops in it and you'll basically have to say what were your casualties and what your men are doing
Crookfur
22-09-2003, 01:17
>>>message

From: Jennifer Alexander, foreign secretary
To: Respective office of internal affiars/home office/state dept of FPC

Subject: Dealing with those in revolt.

Dear Sirs:

While the Kingdom of Crookfur respects your right to self determiantion we offer a number of possible measures to lead to resolution of your problems.

1. Treat everyone made captive in the conflict a full criminal and give them full criminal rights. This instantly removes a significant level of the sucessionists moral grounding, after all what is so terrible about a governemnt who tries to protect you?

2. Investment, show the sucessionists the good points of staying with you with massive invesment in the areas, getting local business on your side also helps.

Just some ideas based on our past experiences.


on the subject of bombing missions our missions will be of a restricted fashion and only against military targets. Crookfur has a reputation to uphold. While we will happily engage stratgic targets you pass on to us they will of course be subject to ratification by our FAC and planning teams.
OOC: if you need some extreme precision bombing or SEAD missions fell free to use crookfur assets in your RP.
Felimid MacFal
22-09-2003, 01:18
OOC: aight. I was thinking about a bombing raid on the front line rebel trenches. But your thing is fine. just remember, all of my forces are still in their base with ground patrols just barely moving more than 10 miles away. So if it would be best for me to start moving my soldiers to a location, give me an IC post to my president about sending the troops on a mission or somthing.

this was directed to FPC.
22-09-2003, 01:18
The Heavy and Light Armoured Divisions, and the Mechanized Infantry division began assembling near the border.
22-09-2003, 01:19
--To Crookfur--
Ok, send a bombing raid to destroy much of the rebel bunkers in the left sector of the separatist's line please.
*gives the coordinates*
22-09-2003, 01:21
Secret IC:
During the night, soldier of FPC begin planting all sort of mines near the border with Attica. Anti-personnel, anti-tank... these are put in largely open fields and small gaps that could be undefendable.

secret message code 5
--To FelimidMacFal and Crookfur--
Wait, prepare to counter attack Attica instead. Don't focus on the rebels, I'll take carwe of them. However, not to be to suspsicious, tend to fly over rebel zones and attack a few times.
--OVER--
Crookfur
22-09-2003, 01:22
>>>When time resumes<<<

Within 4 minutes of receiving the scramble order a full squadron of 12 Super Vulcan heavy bombers, 2 Super Vulcan SEAD platforms and 4 CFF-5E double dragon fighters take off enroute to the Rebel lines.

(i need some details on airdefences for the next part and other detaisl like what else is in the vacinity).
Felimid MacFal
22-09-2003, 01:23
We shall send our first bombing run shortly.
22-09-2003, 01:24
>>>When time resumes<<<

Within 4 minutes of receiving the scramble order a full squadron of 12 Super Vulcan heavy bombers, 2 Super Vulcan SEAD platforms and 4 CFF-5E double dragon fighters take off enroute to the Rebel lines.

(i need some details on airdefences for the next part and other detaisl like what else is in the vacinity).

Rebel soldiers have a couple of Flak Panzers, some old anti-aircrafts guns and some SCUDS but apart from that, they ain'T got much.
Crookfur
22-09-2003, 01:24
Unfortunatly the change of ROE comes too late for the Bomber formation to divert, but i still have a large number of aircraft in reserve.
22-09-2003, 01:27
OOC: anyways guys, i gotta go. We'll continue this tommorow. Attica, don't invade untill I post a reply. See ya.
Felimid MacFal
22-09-2003, 01:28
4 heavy bombers have taken off with an escort of two squadrons of fighters and shall be arriving on the rebel lines shortly. Meanwhile all of the aircraft at the Felimid MacFal airbase, within FPC, are on high alert.
Crookfur
22-09-2003, 01:32
On detecting a small level of radar emmsions the SEAD vulcans peel off to orbit incase of being needed and the Double Dragon's enter a CAP routine.

At 5 miles from the target area the bomb bays of the super vulcans open and 8 of the Planes deliver 20 GBU-31 JDAMs (each individually targeted) while the remaining 4 deliver a rain of cluster bombs (WCMDs) with a mix of anti tank, combined effect and passive attack submuntions.
22-09-2003, 01:51
The Heimatgruppe and the Bundesgruppe are being placed along the Attican border to act as defenses, fortifying and digging in. The Kaiserheer will act as a response unit in case of enemy invasions. The Reichswehr continues its massing near the FPC border. The Attican Air Force is also being put into alert, and is preparing its fighters.
Autonomous City-states
22-09-2003, 02:45
Due to the seeming failure of diplomacy, the Federation has ordered the return home of all its forces in the Attican-FPC region. The mobile offshore base, its escorts, the Tiamat group, and the U-LIDS wolfpack all begin to move from their positions in international waters towards the sealanes back to the FACS.

Secretary-General Wright condemns the acts of terrorism perpetrated against FPC citizens, the continuing reports of severe repression of civil rights by the FPC government, and the eagerness of all sides to use force so readily. However, he also adds that the risk to Federation Navy and Aerospace Forces personnel is just too great for too little a gain.

What few Federation-controlled private investments that existed in both the FPC and the Attican Empire virtually disappear overnight as the Federation withdrawal and escalating violence causes consumer confidence in the region to plummet.
22-09-2003, 02:50
OOC: Still waiting on McLeod's reply...
22-09-2003, 04:03
bump
McLeod03
22-09-2003, 10:33
Encrypted IC (OOC: I.e. you can't read this Attican):


TO: FPC, Felimid MacFal, ACS, Crookfur
FROM: Royal Palace, McLeod03

Following the assessment of the information given to us by Attican Empire, the King has reached the following decisions:

1) Following the declaration of war against FPC by the Rogue state of Attica, McLeod03 considers itself to be at war with said Rogue state.

2) The forces inside FPC will be bolstered to hold off the forces massing on the Attican/FPC border.

3) Once the invasion has been repelled, our forces will invade Attican in a counter-attack. We call on your help in this time to put down teh Attican government once and for all.
22-09-2003, 12:01
OOC: Are you recognizing Dark Terrors and Talaax's troops in my territory?

IC: The Kaiser has finally carried out congress's request

"The Government of the Attican Empire, 0030922, has officially declared war on the Empire of FPC and the Kingdom of McLeod, for violation of civil rights."

The heavy and light panzer divisions begin rolling thru the city (not the rolling plains with mines.) The Infantry divisions begin minesweeping operations. The Bundesgruppe, the Heimatgruppe, and the Kaiserheer set up defenses positions on unprotected coastline and the border of FPC.

Aircraft of the Reichsluftwaffe and Reichskriegmarine take off to establish Air Superiority over FPC (IE Air to Air weapons, about 200-300 aircraft, i need to check my latest military thing.) MiG-29s, MiG-31s, and Su-39s are being launched to protect Attica from bombers. SH-65As are being sent to the McLeodian naval base to knock it out.


OOC (IE, the border has fortified positions along it, very hard to get thru.)
OOC2 (I beleive ACS backed down from the conflict.)
22-09-2003, 12:26
Secret IC:

To: McLeod03
From: Kaiser Otto Petinski

Once again, I implore you to back down out of this conflict. I, by no means, intent to occupy any territory of the Empire of FPC for any large amount of time, unless requested by the citizens of FPC.

OOC: FPC, my professional army should literally walk over your conscript army.
African Commonwealth
22-09-2003, 12:51
**Official statement from the Commonwealth Council of Defense**
Regards to the troubled nation of FPC! As we do NOT approve of nations attacking FPC merely because they have the strength of purpose necessary to crush a rebel uprising, we are willing to provide a small contingent of troops to aid in the defense against the Attican invaders!

Should you accept our aid, it will consist of the 1st Infantry Core, consisting of 30.000 regulars. They are ill-trained and fairly equipped, but fierce and determined men. We will also provide two hundred ACA-1 "Huntress" Anti-Aircraft light Tanks, as well as 5.000 men from our auxillary engineer corps, who will provide mechanical expertise to keep up the performance of our own and FPC armor.

Regards,
General Ndelebe,
speaking for the authority of his supreme benevolence,
Nwabudike James.
22-09-2003, 12:52
OOC I dont beleive African Commonwealth has these troops. His military budget isnt enough to support all my FIGHTERS, let alone troops.
African Commonwealth
22-09-2003, 12:56
OOC: I have more than that, actually. However, while Nwabudike focuses on Defense over the welfare of his people, I am not sure exactly how many troops I can currently support.

If you'd be so kind as to check the military archives and review my forces, I will re-adjust my military so it fits with my budget(I thought they did, but then I'm not totally down with logistics in the military). I'm only donating a small amount of my troops, so if they need to be drastically cut down, tell me before I lend them to FPC ;)

Regards,
Tias(AC's player)

Edit: Anyone else who can spare the time(Mcleod, perhaps?) are also welcome to review my military - it'd be stupid for me to enter a diplomatic crisis if my troops aren't realistically feasible.
McLeod03
22-09-2003, 13:10
OOC: Are you recognizing Dark Terrors and Talaax's troops in my territory?

OOC2 (I beleive ACS backed down from the conflict.)

OOC: Talaax yes, DT no.
OOC2: You attack my base, ACS comes back.

IC: As soon as the SH-65s (OOC: What are they?) come into range (About 150m), the naval forces in the area launch a total of 36 MSM-2 Standard Advanced SAMS, and Patriot batteries swing to track the inbound targets.

The entire force of some 200 assorted fighters (F-35s, F-98s, F-15s) is
launched from the base, along with the AL-52, 2 AWACS, and 1 JSTARS.

Further aviation assets are en route from both CBGs and the Monitor. These consist of 24 Peacekeepers, 24 F-14s, and 72 F-35s.
22-09-2003, 13:32
*secret IC*
I will pledge all available forces in the war for Attica
Our small military will begin planning to aid in the defence of Attica. We would like to send several transport planes to your capital so our commanders can plan joint action.
Please send coordinates to CH-5s.
McLeod03
22-09-2003, 17:27
*secret IC*
I will pledge all available forces in the war for Attica
Our small military will begin planning to aid in the defence of Attica. We would like to send several transport planes to your capital so our commanders can plan joint action.
Please send coordinates to CH-5s.

OOC: Defence of Attica? Hes the aggressive imperialistic warmongerer here. Stand down or be destroyed.
22-09-2003, 17:32
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22-09-2003, 18:23
Message from United Nations Ambassadore Knoll, To waring nations in FPC sector.

"Having just defeated the former super nation that controled this area for 229 years, we understand the devistation that war can bring. Thus we urge both sides to seek United Nations mediation to prevent war. "

Ambassador Knoll
Federation of North Arkansas.
22-09-2003, 18:26
'Ello ello ello! What's going on 'ere then? Attican has invaded FPC?
22-09-2003, 19:39
The Emirate of Bannf protest the slave labour camps of FPC. This is an outrage for all humanity.

The Emirate of Bannf.
22-09-2003, 19:43
Murgab has sent an observer with Ambassador status to observe the conditions in FPC. He is un-armed and will report back to Murgab in a given amount of time.

We have spoken.
African Commonwealth
22-09-2003, 19:54
Not as such. To our knowledge the Attican empire took advantage of a rebellion in FPC to set up a front to wage war on them.

We stand by our offer of military aid to FPC((OOC: if necessary, once someone has taken a look at my archive standing)), although we will rathersupport a diplomatic resolution provided it means a full withdrawal of Attican forces and them renouncing all claims of FPC land.

Regards,
General Ndelebe.
Commonwealth Defense.
22-09-2003, 20:28
The Gun Brothers feels the need to deploy Carrier Battle Group Alpha to the area to observe matters. If any intervention is to be made on either side, is undisclosed at this time. All ships will be stationed approximately 100 miles from the other ships in the region (in international waters), and will be in a state of alert (but not at general quarters). All radar operators and EWs are operating on an 8 hours on/8 hours off schedule, and there will be constant air patrols to maintain defence of the cbg.

OOC: Ships sent to the area are:

1 Iowa class battleship
4 Ohio class SSBNs
2 Seawolf class attack subs
5 Los Angeles class attack subs
4 Ticonderoga class cruisers
6 Arleigh Burke class Destroyers
6 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates
2 Oilers
2 Arsenal ships
1 Nimitz class carrier with:
2 E2-C Hawkeye aircraft
40 F/A 18 Super Hornet aircraft
40 F-14 Super Tomcat aircraft
3 Blackhawk helicopters

1 Wasp class landing ship (configured as a pocket carrier) with:
20 AV/8 Harriers
25 Blackhawk/Seahawk helicopters (configured in ASW role)
Felimid MacFal
22-09-2003, 20:35
OOC: sorry that this is a little late but...

IC:

As the Felimid heavy bombers were nearing the relative area of the bombing raid against the FPC rebels, they were given their bombing orders which brought them directly over the front lines of the FPC rebels and the FPC loyalists. The planned carpet bombing of the rebel lines went horribly wrong. At least two entire bomb loads were dropped onto the FPC Loyalist lines, while two more were dropped on the Rebels and the third hit no mans land. There had been a gross miscalculation of the coordinates of the bombing run. The nation of Felimid MacFal sent a formal appology minutes after receiving the news of the misdropped bombs. Multiple Felimid MacFal military staff members were arrested and court marshaled for the total incompitence which undoubtedly cost the lives of allied forces.

OOC2: if the battle had already finished and this is pointless please tell and i'll edit this post.
22-09-2003, 21:17
The Altaranian Government has decided to deploy the 1st Fleet to the area. At present, the fleet will observe the developments of this aggression perpetrated by the Attican government, but will not be taking any action until it is deemed necessary.
Autonomous City-states
22-09-2003, 21:45
A message from the Secretary-General's office:

Neither the FPC nor the Atticans are innocents in this conflict. The Federation deplores the eagerness with which so many nations are quick to rush to judgment of one side over another and take up arms. As the FPC appears unwilling to accept the stated terms for our assistance and we have no desire to help the Attican Empire engage in an aggressive war for its own benefit at the expense of the FPC, the Federation of Autonomous City-states declares itself formally neutral in this conflict. Any attempt by either side, including FPC and Attican allies, to initiate hostilities with departing Federation forces or pull the Federation into this war will be regarded appropriately.
22-09-2003, 21:47
I am ONLY invading the revolting territories. I will not advance further unless necessary. After the war is over, I will let the revolting territories decide for themselves their future.
22-09-2003, 21:50
The President was sitting behind his new desk. During the War with the United States, which ended in Victory for Batavia and its allies, the Presidental offices had been bombed by B-52 Bombers but now, there were almost no signs of the air raid, launched by the United States of America, in the last days of the war. President Malcom was very happy with his new office, his new status and his new powerful nation.

The Inner Soviet entered his office.

"Mr. President, we have been monitoring world situations and now see a potential problem, developing in FPC. There is an internal struggle by breakaways against their parent nation. " Said Soviet Premier of Internal Affairs Aggonos.

The President took a puff from his cuban cigar.

"Why should the Soviet be interested in this incident, halfway around the world?" he asked.

"It could blow up into a global conflict. The battles could come to North America," Said Soviet Minister of the Army Field Marshal Popov.

"Plus the Federation of North Arkansas is attempting to mediate the whole thing through the United Nations" Said Soviet Foriegn Minister Andropov.

The President of the Batavian Soviet Socialist Republic stood and looked out his new picture window. He looked at the new bridge across the Mississippi River. Automobil traffic was very heavy at noon..

"What does General Admiral Thomas say about the situation?"

"We have 4 Alpha Class subs that could go and observe and project our power in the region. Maybe a warning not to draw North America into this far away war?"

Andropov interupted "We musn't appear hostile. Maybe Mr. President, we could send in 1 Alpha Class Sub. We could also re-direct some of our spy sattelights to watch from orbit."

"Batavia will not be drawn into another war. Order General Admiral Thomas to deploy 1 Alpha Class sub to the international waters near FPC. Have them remain Surfaced and have them watch the situation only. Notify the Cosmodome to launch a new Spy Sattelight to keep an eye on FPC. But if this situation starts mounting toward war, pull the sub out, and destroy the sattelight." Said Soviet President Malcom.

The Inner Soviet shook hands with Malcom and left.


"What are we getting ourselves into?" Wandered President Malcom
22-09-2003, 21:52
ACS and McLeod check tgrams.
23-09-2003, 00:05
OOC: And my troops were attacking...?
Felimid MacFal
23-09-2003, 00:11
OOC: And my troops were attacking...?

OOC: who is this directed at?
23-09-2003, 00:23
OOC:
to Attica, you don't know that I have planted mines and since I never planted or used some in the past, you shouldn't get suspicious about some. Also, you claim to invade only the rebeling countys but doing that will force your land troops to invade through FPCian owned territories. If you remember, I told that my military, in a daring move, at taken all the land that was on the border with Attica so basically, the rebels are surounded. It's like a donut where the hole is the rebeling countys and the dough are my lands.

to Bannf, theoraticaly, they are not slave labour camps. They are simply labour camps were criminals are sent there to get reformed and serve community whil being jailed. Hey, if they can't help community when they're free, at leat they can do something when forced to.

to African Commonwealth, thanks for your help. Any soldiers you can send will be greatly apreciated.

TO ALL who are new to this conflict and are bitching: please, don'T do that when you don't know all the sides to the story. FPC was declared war by Attica. THey are the ones who broke FPC's neutrality. I stated long before that FPC was a neutral nation that would not declare war to any other nation. Attica knew that but he decided to do so without listening. So basically, this goes against human rights to protect their neutrality. Also, Attica sponsered and equipped rebels in FPC with Attican made equipement.

That's all for now I guess...
Felimid MacFal
23-09-2003, 00:25
OOC: um... FPC, did you read my post about accidently bombing your troops? i think it was on the previous page. Please respond IC about it.
23-09-2003, 00:29
OOC1: FPC, since your troops are occupying that territory, wouldnt they be walking on your own mines?

OOC2: FPC2, just because they are under your occupation militarily does not mean they are your OWNED territories. They are your OCCUPIED territories.
23-09-2003, 00:50
OOC:
to Attica, you don't know that I have planted mines and since I never planted or used some in the past, you shouldn't get suspicious about some. Also, you claim to invade only the rebeling countys but doing that will force your land troops to invade through FPCian owned territories. If you remember, I told that my military, in a daring move, at taken all the land that was on the border with Attica so basically, the rebels are surounded. It's like a donut where the hole is the rebeling countys and the dough are my lands.

to Bannf, theoraticaly, they are not slave labour camps. They are simply labour camps were criminals are sent there to get reformed and serve community whil being jailed. Hey, if they can't help community when they're free, at leat they can do something when forced to.

to African Commonwealth, thanks for your help. Any soldiers you can send will be greatly apreciated.

TO ALL who are new to this conflict and are bitching: please, don'T do that when you don't know all the sides to the story. FPC was declared war by Attica. THey are the ones who broke FPC's neutrality. I stated long before that FPC was a neutral nation that would not declare war to any other nation. Attica knew that but he decided to do so without listening. So basically, this goes against human rights to protect their neutrality. Also, Attica sponsered and equipped rebels in FPC with Attican made equipement.

That's all for now I guess...

Can we help you in some way? We have a very small army and not much equipment. But we are hard working and can do something.
23-09-2003, 00:54
I believe you mis-understood. We simply feel you should prevail upon the good offices of the United Nations and make peace with your breakaways and live in peace.

We stand ready to help out in the Peace Talks.

President Chronos
Federation of North Arkansas
23-09-2003, 01:05
All the Attican Empire plans on doing is occupying (albeit temporarily) the revolting states to give them a chance of freedom from their FPC opressors.
23-09-2003, 02:00
The Federation of North Arkansas is not interested in who is the right side. North Arkansas is interedted in seeing peace come to FPC.

We stand ready to assist with peace talks between the Breakaway Republics and FPC.

President Chronos
Federation of North Arkansas
23-09-2003, 02:08
Ustististan wishes to open an embassy in FPC. we can meet for talks if you would like.
23-09-2003, 02:17
To Attica--
OOC: you know, when you put mines in a territory, there are some parts that you don't mine so that your soldiers can walk. The Path that I'M talkign about, it ain't just a few feets. It's quite big.
OOC2: Well they are my territories after all!!!!!! WTF are you talking about?!?!?! They revolted but still, these 2 countys are my lands & ain't yours.

To Felimid MacFal--
IC: "After the friendly fire accident, casualties were counted. 35 dead & 167 wounded. Luckily, most of the soldiers were in deep underground shleter receiving classes about charging techniques and stuff."

To Ustististan--
IC:"We would gladly open an embassy with you. But you must be aware that Attica could bombard it..."

North Arkansas--
"I too wish for peace in this. IF Attica could let me govern my state accordingly, that would be fine with me. They have broken my neutrality and they knew it. You should put pressure on them to stop the fighting. I have no intentions of waging a foreing war or fighting Attica but I will defend my country."

to Omineca--
"Could you send whatever troops you can muster? That would be very helpful. Anything will be welcomed."
23-09-2003, 02:25
10,000 Troops,

50 SU 100 L Assault guns
http://www.battletanks.com/images/SU-100_L_gun-2.jpg

On their way to you now
23-09-2003, 02:43
23-09-2003, 02:51
OOC: FPC, the problem is, I recognize it as a new country. I am defending a country from a hostile aggressor (FPC)

OOC2: I wouldnt 'bombard' it, i would 'bomb' it. Plus, If I am not advancing further then the revolting territories, how would I get there?

IC: Anybody that attacks Attican troops will be declaring a state of war exists with the Attican Empire, and we will act accordingly.

OOC: The SU-100s shells would bounce off a Leopard... let alone a Leopard 2 or King Leopard.
23-09-2003, 03:01
Er, the guns are the best we can do. Also, Attica, we do not take kindly to threats.
23-09-2003, 03:02
Its not a threat. If you fire on me, it is an act of war.
23-09-2003, 03:12
Ustististan announces that an Embassey has been opened in FPC. Further, we are deploying the following to assist your nation.

85,900 Troops
25 T-90 Battle Tanks
30 T-80 Battle Tanks
45 T-62 Battle tanks

1 Squad of Mig 29 Fighters
1 Squad of F/A 18 fighters

Ustististan has many friends. It would be proper for all foreign nations to with-draw their forces from FPC before this large force arrives.
23-09-2003, 03:17
OOC: The problem is you dont have that many tanks. You are too small!
23-09-2003, 03:18
500,000 troops
400 Tiger IX tank's
400 M1As'2
100 Uh-60s
200 Uh-1s
10 Ah-64s
100 Ah-1s
1 carrier group

Are on there way to stop this conflict between the two coutry's. These troops anr not troops occupy any coutry's but are troops to bring this conflict to a end. Any military action on these peace keeping troops will lead to a desistating result of military action agianst the attcking contry.
23-09-2003, 03:20
All my troops are doing is repelling the FPC agressors from this new country.
23-09-2003, 03:23
Whats the problem any way?
23-09-2003, 03:24
Today, the Empire of Labador and New Foundland, announces that we will assist FPC in their problem

150,000 Troops
20 Gilgamesh Tanks
60 M-113
3 squads of F-4
1 Squad of MiG-21

We believe this will help.

We are not interested in starting a war but we will defend ourselves if we come under attack from Leopard 2 Tanks.
23-09-2003, 03:25
OOC: But not Leopard 1s or King Leopards?

OOC2: You better not say they get there immediately.

OOC3: If you fire on my equipment, it is an act of war.
23-09-2003, 03:26
500,000 troops
400 Tiger IX tank's
400 M1As'2
100 Uh-60s
200 Uh-1s
10 Ah-64s
100 Ah-1s
1 carrier group

Are on there way to stop this conflict between the two coutry's. These troops anr not troops occupy any coutry's but are troops to bring this conflict to a end. Any military action on these peace keeping troops will lead to a desistating result of military action agianst the attcking contry.

Holy Smoke

Our forces are also peace keepers. wow. Er can I borrow some of those M1'S??
23-09-2003, 03:26
If both coutry's agree to our peace keeping troops in there coutry please tell me. These troops will protect the people and the property and the goverment. They will not protect military.
23-09-2003, 03:29
OOC: But not Leopard 1s or King Leopards?

OOC2: You better not say they get there immediately.

OOC3: If you fire on my equipment, it is an act of war.

To show you that we are not coming to overrun your nation,I will give you classified information. Normally forces do not announce when they will arrive. but in your case.... the forces are being assembled now. Will leave in 2 NS time weeks and will take 2 weeks to sail to FPC. in the meanwhile, smaller forces will be flown in.

Now, if you fire on our equiptment, it is an act of war.
23-09-2003, 03:29
As long as they are not in the revolting territories, fine. Otherwise, I cannot help if they are fired upon, as they would be fired upon, either intentionally or accidently, by Felimid, McLeod, FPC, and Attica.
23-09-2003, 03:29
500,000 troops
400 Tiger IX tank's
400 M1As'2
100 Uh-60s
200 Uh-1s
10 Ah-64s
100 Ah-1s
1 carrier group

Are on there way to stop this conflict between the two coutry's. These troops anr not troops occupy any coutry's but are troops to bring this conflict to a end. Any military action on these peace keeping troops will lead to a desistating result of military action agianst the attcking contry.

Holy Smoke

Our forces are also peace keepers. wow. Er can I borrow some of those M1'S??
That like nothing, we have many more tanks used to have 15,000 M1A2s then we melted 10,000 of them down and we have like 8 carrier ghroups or ten i cant remember but i have it on word.

Sure 100 M1A2 tanks will meet your troops. Remember what you break you replace! ;-)
23-09-2003, 03:31
AE will you allow our peace keeping troops in your coutry?
23-09-2003, 03:31
OOC: You are aware a Leopard 2 would destroy an M1A2 with no effort, a King Leopard would utterly eliminate it?
23-09-2003, 03:32
As long as they are not in the revolting territories, fine. Otherwise, I cannot help if they are fired upon, as they would be fired upon, either intentionally or accidently, by Felimid, McLeod, FPC, and Attica.
Who's on who's side?
23-09-2003, 03:32
Not in my country. I have no need for them in my country.

Also, for all the minor nations involved: How do you plan to feed, supply, arm, equip your troops in a foreign land. Someone said this about my failed expeditionary force once:

"they move across the land like a swarm of locusts and use rocks and sticks they find on the ground for weapons"
23-09-2003, 03:33
Talaax is in my nation as guard, everyone is against me.
23-09-2003, 03:34
North Arkansas believes in peace. We therefore request all parties of interest meet in New York City (The New England COnfederation)At the United Nations for the discussions for the eventual liberation of the 2 counties in FPC. This is the only way peace can be achieved.

Please stand down all foreign armies.

President Chonos.
23-09-2003, 03:35
FPC has rejected numerous peace attempts by me and Autonomous City-states. Therefore, I feel force is necessary at this juncture.
23-09-2003, 03:37
OOC: You are aware a Leopard 2 would destroy an M1A2 with no effort, a King Leopard would utterly eliminate it?
We are also sending Leopard 2 tanks two but i didn't list it.

Fine you dont want protection from asuperior coutry then that your problem, the offer is gone for you and is still up for FPC.

I meant 2 carrier groups are being sent. They will stay in international waters.


Now what is the start to this conflict?
23-09-2003, 03:37
500,000 troops
400 Tiger IX tank's
400 M1As'2
100 Uh-60s
200 Uh-1s
10 Ah-64s
100 Ah-1s
1 carrier group

Are on there way to stop this conflict between the two coutry's. These troops anr not troops occupy any coutry's but are troops to bring this conflict to a end. Any military action on these peace keeping troops will lead to a desistating result of military action agianst the attcking contry.

Holy Smoke

Our forces are also peace keepers. wow. Er can I borrow some of those M1'S??
That like nothing, we have many more tanks used to have 15,000 M1A2s then we melted 10,000 of them down and we have like 8 carrier ghroups or ten i cant remember but i have it on word.

Sure 100 M1A2 tanks will meet your troops. Remember what you break you replace! ;-)

ooc Sorry just kidding
23-09-2003, 03:39
I dont know, FPC hasnt replied to my blitz into the revolting territories.
23-09-2003, 03:39
500,000 troops
400 Tiger IX tank's
400 M1As'2
100 Uh-60s
200 Uh-1s
10 Ah-64s
100 Ah-1s
1 carrier group

Are on there way to stop this conflict between the two coutry's. These troops anr not troops occupy any coutry's but are troops to bring this conflict to a end. Any military action on these peace keeping troops will lead to a desistating result of military action agianst the attcking contry.

Holy Smoke

Our forces are also peace keepers. wow. Er can I borrow some of those M1'S??
That like nothing, we have many more tanks used to have 15,000 M1A2s then we melted 10,000 of them down and we have like 8 carrier ghroups or ten i cant remember but i have it on word.

Sure 100 M1A2 tanks will meet your troops. Remember what you break you replace! ;-)

ooc Sorry just kidding
ok
23-09-2003, 03:45
Ustististan announces that an Embassey has been opened in FPC. Further, we are deploying the following to assist your nation.

85,900 Troops
25 T-90 Battle Tanks
30 T-80 Battle Tanks
45 T-62 Battle tanks

1 Squad of Mig 29 Fighters
1 Squad of F/A 18 fighters

Ustististan has many friends. It would be proper for all foreign nations to with-draw their forces from FPC before this large force arrives.

We stand by our allie Ustististan.
23-09-2003, 03:46
Of which neither of you have the capability to wage war.
23-09-2003, 03:48
Ustististan announces that an Embassey has been opened in FPC. Further, we are deploying the following to assist your nation.

85,900 Troops
25 T-90 Battle Tanks
30 T-80 Battle Tanks
45 T-62 Battle tanks

1 Squad of Mig 29 Fighters
1 Squad of F/A 18 fighters

Ustististan has many friends. It would be proper for all foreign nations to with-draw their forces from FPC before this large force arrives.

We stand by our allie Ustististan.

We will await the return of our un-armed observer from FPC before making any universal decision. But we support Ustististan in spirit of the alliance.
23-09-2003, 03:49
Aboard the grigor aircraft carrier south of Attican Empire:
"Sir sir!"

"What?"

"we got it sir!"

"Good good now radio it into HQ"

"Yes sir!"

"where is he?"

"he's on his way, the seal should be picking him up now"

"Good did he get all that he was told to do?"

"Yes sir!"

"exelent!"

"Now order a patrol alont international waters! I want Mark IV suported by Uh-60s. OK! Now go!"

"Yes sir!"

"Now for my pape.....Damn it! Who keeps taking my paper!"

Patrols will start on international waters patroling the boarder between AE and international waters. If any are shot at then that will be considered a act of war and air strikes will be ordered immediately.
23-09-2003, 03:58
The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics declares Neutrality in this clearly internal affair. We also ask in the name of regional unitity, that North Arkansas refrain from any further attempts at peace.

We have recalled a Submarine sent to observe the situation. Spy Sattelights have been moved elsewhere.
23-09-2003, 04:05
North Arkansas admits defeat in its efforts to bring peace. We declare neutrality and will no longer attempt to broker peace.
23-09-2003, 04:14
The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics declares Neutrality in this clearly internal affair. We also ask in the name of regional unitity, that North Arkansas refrain from any further attempts at peace.

We have recalled a Submarine sent to observe the situation. Spy Sattelights have been moved elsewhere.
I can not ensure you the safety of your sub, i sugest you keep it in international waters or we may mistake as a enemy or one of FPC or AE and we may have a enemt stance agianst one of them and mistake your sub for on of there's.
23-09-2003, 04:14
Murgab wants no part in the war. We have receaved radio reports from observer and have now decided to declare neutrality.
23-09-2003, 04:19
The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics declares Neutrality in this clearly internal affair. We also ask in the name of regional unitity, that North Arkansas refrain from any further attempts at peace.

We have recalled a Submarine sent to observe the situation. Spy Sattelights have been moved elsewhere.
I can not ensure you the safety of your sub, i sugest you keep it in international waters or we may mistake as a enemy or one of FPC or AE and we may have a enemt stance agianst one of them and mistake your sub for on of there's.

We had just dispatched the Sub. I don't think it had time to make it out of the Gulf of Mexico. Its mission was to stay in international waters.
African Commonwealth
23-09-2003, 08:57
OOC>>

Attica: My nationstate is based on a post-civil-war Democratic Republic of Congo - Thus, it has a disproportionately large military that is currently undergoing cuts and is being supported by the majority of Nwabudike's faltering budget. As for supporting it, FPC will hopefully help me out, and I've brought a whole logistics corps with trucks to help me out, as well as heavy lift craft that can bring supplies to the FPC mainland for shipping to the front line. That being said, I agree some of the nations offering to bring troops need to explain how they can support such numbers.

IC>>

Missive from the Commonwealth Dept. of Foreign Affairs:
Troops are now being shipped and flown to the nation FPC. We have yet to formally declare agression against the irritable nation of the Attican Empire, as this heated stand-off may yet be resolved diplomatically.

We demand that the Attican Empire renounce claims of the provinces in FPC that were rebel - They are not independent nations, as they evidently rebelled out of deceit, not nationalism. Once this is done, and troops withdraw from the FPC front, we shall welcome the Atticans in our halls of commerce as wise and just men.

Elsewhere...

Somewhere off the west African coast:
A rough voice barks in french: "Aw'right people, let's MOVE! You heard the captain.". Dark-skinned troops emerge from a patch of jungle to walk towards a great cargo ship, as sergeants and quartermasters try to keep track of troops and equipment

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/9908/congo.primer/images/6.troops_01.jpg
23-09-2003, 11:11
Grigors speech:10 or 20 years ago there was a war, a war agianst Attican Empire but time has change. I have made a decision to aide with attican Empire. We will help protect Attican Empire from all out side force's. One carrier group is already in the area of Attican Empire and the other is on the way to FPC.
23-09-2003, 11:36
Is any further assistance required in this war?

I am prepared to commit two carrier battle groups, three air squadrons of F-22 fighters and B-1B bombers along with 35,000 troops.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 11:37
McLeodian forces have dug into their base, setting up heavy defences and strong AA capability.

We officially declare ourselves to be the enemy of AE, for their warmongering and lying to the international community about civil rights. FPC has labour camps yes, but only for criminals, and instead of jails. It means criminals aren't locked up all day, and are allowed to work in the open air.

Attican Empire troops have invaded FPC territory, and will be repulsed by our forces if they take one more step.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 11:39
Is any further assistance required in this war?

I am prepared to commit two carrier battle groups, three air squadrons of F-22 fighters and B-1B bombers along with 35,000 troops.

If you wish to fight against the warmongering Attican Empire, these forces will be given shelter in our base inside FPC. Naval facilities can easily accept these forces, and offer a good base of opreations against the Attican invasion.
23-09-2003, 12:00
And my tanks were invading the revolting territories (along with my infantry...)
23-09-2003, 12:05
Anyone need massive ortillery bombardments placed? I got 25,000 lasers...... :shock:

Mini-Me, stop humping the laser.
23-09-2003, 12:08
OOC: Angreifer
1. No you don't.
2. This is moderntech.
3. Go away
23-09-2003, 12:10
*secret IC*
I will pledge all available forces in the war for Attica
Our small military will begin planning to aid in the defence of Attica. We would like to send several transport planes to your capital so our commanders can plan joint action.
Please send coordinates to CH-5s.
bumpa
23-09-2003, 12:19
Sure then attican. I'll send in my air force... http://www.unidc.net/angreifer/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=2
23-09-2003, 12:31
OOC:

Angreifer, a 10 million person nation is not going to have space fleet and an earth-bound air force.

Ignored.
23-09-2003, 12:31
KI - coord. sent.
23-09-2003, 13:15
Attican, do you ignore people because you're scared of them? That's really sad...

Also, I CAN have both. Want to know why? Well, because I got a 5.5 trillion dollar donation (Look for something called "Donations needed", authored by me), and I had a $275 billion military budget to blow off, and still have $32 billion of it. Most of the fighters were donated as well. The only thing I bought were my YF-23's, my 10 Millenium Class Battlecruisers, and my Einstien destroyer.

Millenium Class Battlecruiser: 4 Billion Eachx10 (40 Billion So Far...)
YF-23 Black Widow: 60 Million Eachx24 ($41,440,000,000 So Far...)
Einstien Battleship: 200 Billion Eachx1 ($241,440,000,000 So Far...)

That totals to $241,440,000,000. Still within my military budget limits. NEVER underestimate the power of Excel Spreadsheets. I should know my own nation, thank you very much.
23-09-2003, 13:19
You are aware that you also have to pay maintenence costs, feed your people, et cetera?

http://pages.ripco.com/~antman87/Military.xls
Dr_Twist
23-09-2003, 13:27
mmmmmmmmmmmm,

Could do with some new Colony’s.
23-09-2003, 13:34
Attican, yes I am. That's why I set aside a 10% budget for maintenance. The people can die for all I give a care :twisted:
23-09-2003, 14:25
Military Statement

High Command, Ustististan

Having receaved a report from the observer that Murgab sent to investigate FPC, We have decided to suspend sending military forces. We feel evidence compells us to examine the situation further.

Secretary General Chi,
23-09-2003, 14:36
The Empire will recall its forces that were sent to assist FPC.

The Empire of Labador And Newfoundland declares its Neutrality, in a show of North American Unity.
23-09-2003, 14:44
Omineca, At the request of other North American powers, recalls our forces sent to assist FPC. Further, uniting with our friends in North America, We declare neutrality in the FPC situation.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 15:17
Further troop deployments into FPC have just arrived by convoy.

Troops Deployed:

3rd Army (Entirety, will post list later)
617 Squadron (Heavy bomber)
611 Squadron (Close support, ground attack, counter-insurgency)
23-09-2003, 15:32
KI - coord. sent.

The five C-130s slowly chugged over the Attican coastline.
Making their way to the capital with the coordinates, the 5 planes split up and started circling the capital. All the buildings below looked very small and the place was crisscrossed with roads. The Attican pilots whizzed through the sky in their advanced fighters.
*Desto wing, this is Captain D'ycho, commence with plan "Sukka" on my command*
The C-130's, seperated over the capital began to open their cargo bays.
*on my mark release load.....mark*
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130-25-s.jpg


*Each plane dropped one large object each, they were primitive but just as deadly nuclear bombs, all armed and prepared to detonate upon contact with the ground below*
*Dest wing, procede with evasion as planned, split up and good luck. out*


OOC: sorry to say but we have dropped five nuclear bombs on your capital.
23-09-2003, 17:02
On The Gun Brothers carrier battle group Alpha, there is a flurry of activity. Having arrived on station 100 nautical miles from any other ships in the area, radar operators start tracking all ships and aircraft, regardless of their nation of origin. E2-C Hawkeye aircraft are launched to provide a bigger picture, but even they maintain a 50 mile safety zone from other vehicles. The subs currently attached to the group are running as silently as possible, and are keeping watch to make sure the cbg doesn't get ambushed.

It is still unclear why a cbg from The Gun Brothers has been dispatched to this area. Perhaps it is to observe the conflict without involvement, or perhaps it is a training exercise. One last possibility is that The Gun Brothers might enter this war, but for whose side is not known.
Crookfur
23-09-2003, 17:07
Sorry for the long gap in posts.
Anyway, FPC some BDAs for the Vulcan raid would be nice
IC:
In response to the act of agression by the Attican Empire the Crookfur parliment has authorised the deployment of the remainder of the entire Highland Corps to FPC (1 more ready division, an armoured division and a expeditionary division).
The promised AWACS and Stand off survielance assets have arrived along with thier aessets (3 CFU-9 AWACS and 2 CFU-9 SOSPS plus refeulers and 2 squadrons of Dragon Pearls, i miss typed in my first post concerning those, the CFU-12 is my varient of the A400 and the CFU-9 is based on the A330).

Strategic bomber missions have also been authorised against C3 targets.

OOC: AE what sort of level is your civilian telecomunications setup like i don't want to be decalring stirkes willy nilly.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 17:46
Inside MAFCCP, alarm sirens sounded, and red lgihts began to flash.
A Junior Lieutenant ran up to a non-descript door, pushed it open, and stepped into the most secure meeting room in McLeod03. Inside sat Prince Michael, and the top military advisors.

"I'm sorry to interput" said the Lieutenant, "But i think you should see this"

He handed over a file of papers, still warm from the printer, to the Military Advisor.

"Jesus" muttered Advisor Joshua Munroe. "Your Highness, this looks bad. It seems that some time today, a flight of King Island aircraft dropped five thermonuclear devices on the Attican capital."

"Holy shit" said the Prince, "I've got to tell James about this. Prepare a public statement for James, and a private message to King Island from myself."

The men around the table began to immediately start planning what the next step would be.


<Encrypted Secret Message>
TO: King Island
FROM: MAFCCP

Although we strongly condemn your nuclear attacks publicly, we secretly wish to congratulate you on the cunning shown in your plan. I will send troops to protect you if the Kaiser tries to counter-attack.

Yours,

Prince Michael, CICMAF.
23-09-2003, 17:50
thankyou, but what remains of our homeland has been ravished by earthquakes and volcanoes.
We have a few military bases around the globe and our civilian population has emigrated around the world. The notion of a King Island homeland is a dying prospect.

Sp. Hussan Jarrell
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 17:52
thankyou, but what remains of our homeland has been ravished by earthquakes and volcanoes.
We have a few military bases around the globe and our civilian population has emigrated around the world. The notion of a King Island homeland is a dying prospect.

Sp. Hussan Jarrell

<Encrypted Secret Message>
TO: Sp. Hussan Jarrell
FROM: MAFCCP

Then we offer you protection in our homeland. If any citizens need a place to stay, they will accepted here, and given homes, jobs, and protection from the Attican Empire. Any armed forces can be accepted into our foreign legion, or kept as a King Island forces acting out of McLeod03.
23-09-2003, 17:56
perhaps in the future.
23-09-2003, 20:05
KI - coord. sent.

The five C-130s slowly chugged over the Attican coastline.
Making their way to the capital with the coordinates, the 5 planes split up and started circling the capital. All the buildings below looked very small and the place was crisscrossed with roads. The Attican pilots whizzed through the sky in their advanced fighters.
*Desto wing, this is Captain D'ycho, commence with plan "Sukka" on my command*
The C-130's, seperated over the capital began to open their cargo bays.
*on my mark release load.....mark*
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130-25-s.jpg


*Each plane dropped one large object each, they were primitive but just as deadly nuclear bombs, all armed and prepared to detonate upon contact with the ground below*
*Dest wing, procede with evasion as planned, split up and good luck. out*


OOC: sorry to say but we have dropped five nuclear bombs on your capital.

OOC: Gah, can't you people RP without having to nuke someone?

IC: The Altaranian government strongly condemns the dropping of these devices on the Attican capital. This horrific act was completely uncalled for and has likely resulted in the deaths of several million civilians.
23-09-2003, 20:21
KI - coord. sent.

The five C-130s slowly chugged over the Attican coastline.
Making their way to the capital with the coordinates, the 5 planes split up and started circling the capital. All the buildings below looked very small and the place was crisscrossed with roads. The Attican pilots whizzed through the sky in their advanced fighters.
*Desto wing, this is Captain D'ycho, commence with plan "Sukka" on my command*
The C-130's, seperated over the capital began to open their cargo bays.
*on my mark release load.....mark*
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130-25-s.jpg


*Each plane dropped one large object each, they were primitive but just as deadly nuclear bombs, all armed and prepared to detonate upon contact with the ground below*
*Dest wing, procede with evasion as planned, split up and good luck. out*


OOC: sorry to say but we have dropped five nuclear bombs on your capital.
This is taken as a threat to us as for we will protect AE. Before the planes where able to reach the capital 20 Su-37K switchblades took off the grigor carrier in south AE and have set a course for intercept.

Fighter pilot cockpit:
"Roger this is grigor one reporting in"

"Hear you loud and clear greigor group you know what to do!"

"Roger"

4 mins later

"C-130's what is your destination?"

"If you do not tell us we will have to use lethal force agianst you"
23-09-2003, 20:30
KI - coord. sent.

The five C-130s slowly chugged over the Attican coastline.
Making their way to the capital with the coordinates, the 5 planes split up and started circling the capital. All the buildings below looked very small and the place was crisscrossed with roads. The Attican pilots whizzed through the sky in their advanced fighters.
*Desto wing, this is Captain D'ycho, commence with plan "Sukka" on my command*
The C-130's, seperated over the capital began to open their cargo bays.
*on my mark release load.....mark*
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130-25-s.jpg


*Each plane dropped one large object each, they were primitive but just as deadly nuclear bombs, all armed and prepared to detonate upon contact with the ground below*
*Dest wing, procede with evasion as planned, split up and good luck. out*


OOC: sorry to say but we have dropped five nuclear bombs on your capital.
This is taken as a threat to us as for we will protect AE. Before the planes where able to reach the capital 20 Su-37K switchblades took off the grigor carrier in south AE and have set a course for intercept.

Fighter pilot cockpit:
"Roger this is grigor one reporting in"

"Hear you loud and clear greigor group you know what to do!"

"Roger"

4 mins later

"C-130's what is your destination?"

"If you do not tell us we will have to use lethal force agianst you"

OOC: Attican Empire was told by King Island that he wanted to send C-130s to the capitol to help support Attican Empire. Attican Empire gave him coordinates (I assume the coordinates were for landing the C-130s or for a meeting place, and that AE was authorizing the C-130s flying over the capitol). That's where the C-130s were headed, and why they were there.
Crookfur
23-09-2003, 20:42
Actually there is no reason for you to even suspect this, his Hercy birds had plenty reason to be there, perhaps not directly over his capitol (no idea about his air corridors or bases) but close by anyway and maybe the bombs had glide attachments.


IC: The Crookfur Government Condems this cowardly act
23-09-2003, 20:48
The Federation of North Arkansas recalls its ambassador from King Island. We also call for a global boycott of the rogue nation.
Autonomous City-states
23-09-2003, 21:31
IC: The Federation condemns the use of nuclear weapons in this conflict and enacts a full economic embargo of King Island. Any King Island aircraft or ships seen approaching Federation ships or territory will be turned away by threat of force.

OOC: You have got to be kidding me. A suicide C-130 nuke mission in the middle of hot zone like this? Are you out of your mind?

OOC 2: Angreifer, 10% of your budget for maintenance just won't cut it unless you're trying to run it on the cheap... which is going to cause severe morale and reliability problems. The majority of a military's budget goes to personnel and maintenance costs... not acquisitions.
23-09-2003, 21:35
Excuse me, but you're talking about OVER 5 trillion dollars that I have. I spend 5% budget on military per year (1 week rl), so it will be enough. I don't spend too much, so the higher my money rises, the more I can support. By the way, I have over 500 billion right now invensted into maintenance.
23-09-2003, 21:35
OOC:

Ok, many of you don't seem to understand what is going on in FPC. Now, before posting any more stuff about sending military or not sending them or blablablabla, read this. These are the actual facts of what is going on in FPC.

-The 2 rebelling states are only being ruled by some rebeling soldiers. The population is torned between choosing wich side to go to. Around 1 million have stayed there.

-The 2 rebelling states are surrended by all sides by FPC owned territory. So Attica, though you claim you only want to take the rebel states, your actually invading my territories (All of FPC is still within FPC's juridiction. Only 2 states are trying to revolt for unclear reasons.)

- Attica, while trying to promote good by saying that it wants to give the people of those two states some freedom is lying to all of you. He only wants to break my country apart because I refused to make some treaties with him.

- The empire of FPC is neutral and I have stated this in many posts and telegrams. So the invasion of Attica is an unfunded and non/moral invasion.

More to come if I think about it.
Autonomous City-states
23-09-2003, 21:37
Excuse me, but you're talking about OVER 5 trillion dollars that I have. I spend 5% budget on military per year (1 week rl), so it will be enough. I don't spend too much, so the higher my money rises, the more I can support. By the way, I have over 500 billion right now invensted into maintenance.

OOC: Excuse me... but that's just ridiculous. What's going to happen when the money from your mysterious benefactors runs out? You simply do not have a large enough country or economy to support all that over the long term.
23-09-2003, 21:42
If necessary, we can host peace talks in our Red Square.
23-09-2003, 21:43
OOC: KI, I gave you the coordinates to a military staging point, NOT my capitol.

OOC2: KI, You dont HAVE 5 thermonuclear bombs, and never did.

OOC3: McLeod, no they didnt. Not until you REPLY ABOUT MY INVASION, your troops do not just arrive!

IC: The nuclear missile silos in Attica open up.
23-09-2003, 21:43
OOC: KI, I gave you the coordinates to a military staging point, NOT my capitol.

OOC2: KI, You dont HAVE 5 thermonuclear bombs, and never did.

OOC3: McLeod, no they didnt. Not until you REPLY ABOUT MY INVASION, your troops do not just arrive!

OOC4: FPC, you can't lie in an OOC. You have no idea what my intentions are, OOC says that you are telling the truth, yet you have no idea.

IC: The nuclear missile silos in Attica open up.
23-09-2003, 21:49
OOC: KI, I gave you the coordinates to a military staging point, NOT my capitol.

OOC2: KI, You dont HAVE 5 thermonuclear bombs, and never did.

OOC3: McLeod, no they didnt. Not until you REPLY ABOUT MY INVASION, your troops do not just arrive!

IC: The nuclear missile silos in Attica open up.

OOC: HE's only 2 days younger than you. It is concievable for him to have them, as long as he's got a good explanation (after all, you seem to have nuke tipped ICBMs).

IC: The carrier battle group Alpha transmits all data it's collected so far, to military analysts back the TGB (radar and sonar parametrics, composition of the other nations fleets, responce times, etc).
Crookfur
23-09-2003, 21:57
Attican Empire: So you gave him coords, you also have to give him and flight plan and maps of course he could also have bough statlitte imagry from a comercial mapping service (hmmm a nice money spinner there).
To be honest you haven't been forth coming with details of your country, after all with all the statlittles and photo recon stuff busy elbowing each other for room, we all should know where everything is in your nation (or at least the gross lay out after all none invades without maps these days) but you merely use your undefined geography to ignore perfectly reasonable attacks where people have been forced to make assumptions due to an unreasonable lack of information.

If you can't be bothered to create a full geography thats fine but don't use your own ignorance as a stick to beat others.
End of rant.

Please people at least try to make this a decent RP.
23-09-2003, 22:01
OOC1: I didn't develop my nuclear weapons though. I was given them (by Talaax).

OOC2: I have a map of my country, of course, FPC has given crap for info about his and has IGNORED my invasion. He asked for my coordinates, I gave him a staging areas coordinates. Why would I give a military force coordinates to my capitol?
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 22:09
OOC: Attican, yes my troops have arrived. Its my base, i choose when troops arrive. And i believe i have responded to your invasion. I launched fighters in response. What more do you want?

But, yet again, you ignore attacks on you. He dropped five nukes. He could have been given them by any number of states, so just shut up arguing and accept damage for at least 1.
23-09-2003, 22:09
OOC2: I have a map of my country, of course, FPC has given crap for info about his and has IGNORED my invasion. He asked for my coordinates, I gave him a staging areas coordinates. Why would I give a military force coordinates to my capitol?

OOC: ok, the message that I'm gonna say is meant to be said with a loud, angry...no, enraged voice. So imagine it in your head....


FUCK!!!! WHAT'S FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU ASS HOLE!?!?!?!?! I'M FUCKING TELLING YOU THAT YOU CAN'T FUCKING INVADE THE REBEL LANDS CUZ BY DOING THIS YOU'D HAVE TO INVADE MY TERRITORY WICH YOU CLAIM YOU WOULDN'T DO!!!

*I take a moment to catch my breath, and relax.*

Look, you keep telling that you wish to invade the rebels lands and only them. I keep telling you that you can'T just walk in in those lands cuz your country is separated with the rebel states by some imperial owned land. Man, put your story straight. If ya can't I'll have to ignore you and continue my story with the rebelling states as it was...

Sorry all but I couldn't just keep it inside anymore.
23-09-2003, 22:09
OOC1: I didn't develop my nuclear weapons though. I was given them (by Talaax).

OOC2: I have a map of my country, of course, FPC has given crap for info about his and has IGNORED my invasion. He asked for my coordinates, I gave him a staging areas coordinates. Why would I give a military force coordinates to my capitol?

Again, how do you know where he got his WMDs? He could have been given them just like you were given yours (although King Island should post where he aquired them, with links if available). Also, just because you gave him coordinates, doesn't mean he went to them. Crookfur brings up a good point that King Island would probably know where your capitol was, due to satellite imagery, maps, and other sources. As far as FPC ignoring your invasion, that's a different matter all together (and one I think you should take up with FPC).
23-09-2003, 22:10
Excuse me, but you're talking about OVER 5 trillion dollars that I have. I spend 5% budget on military per year (1 week rl), so it will be enough. I don't spend too much, so the higher my money rises, the more I can support. By the way, I have over 500 billion right now invensted into maintenance.

OOC: Excuse me... but that's just ridiculous. What's going to happen when the money from your mysterious benefactors runs out? You simply do not have a large enough country or economy to support all that over the long term.

It's called taxes, no dip. Think for once, please, it helps :P
23-09-2003, 22:11
OOC: He is the one who claimed to have used MY coordinates, so he cant nuke my capitol if I didnt give him coordinates to my capitol.

OOC2: FPC: I dont recognize the rebel states as your territory. You are the one claiming, in OOC, that I am going to invade your entire country, which is a lie.

IC: 4 ICBMs are fired King Island, 2 at the capitol, and 2 others at other cities.

The nuclear weapons used were misguided, 2 hit in the Attiscan Desert, outside of Attica city. 1 hit in the industrial area of Attica city, halting weapons manufacturing (until commercial factories in other cities can be switched). Another hit near a residential area.

470,000 people were killed.

The Attican Empire has declared war on the King Islands.
23-09-2003, 22:15
OOC: look Attica, I'm going to be straight about it. I know you don't recognise the rebeling states as part of my country. I do. What you don'T seem to understand is that by wanting to get in those rebelling states, you will have to invade a part of my terryitory to reach them. I'll put it this way. You see this donut?

http://www.michaelskitchen.com/graphix/donut.gif

The dough itself represents my country and the hole in the center represents the rebeling states. If you want to put trops into them, you'll have to walk in the dough so thus, invading me.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 22:15
OOC: He is the one who claimed to have used MY coordinates, so he cant nuke my capitol if I didnt give him coordinates to my capitol.

OOC2: FPC: I dont recognize the rebel states as your territory. You are the one claiming, in OOC, that I am going to invade your entire country, which is a lie.

IC: 4 ICBMs are fired King Island, 2 at the capitol, and 2 others at other cities.

OOC: If he has lands between you and the rebels, you have invaded his country.

KI could have used your co-ordinates as a rough guide, then diverted and dropped nukes.

And if you read the forums, you would know that KI has no homeland. Its all deserted. So you just wasted 4 perfectly good nukes.

IC: As the missiles launch, the AL-52's laser swings to target them, firing pulses at all of the missiles (OOC: I'm not syaing i destroyed them all, some might have survived)
23-09-2003, 22:20
OOC: If he has no homeland, how does he :

1. Support 99 million people
2. Have aircraft
3. Have nuclear weapons
?

IC: The ICMBs are redirected towards known locations of King Island objects. 1 is shot down by a McLeodian aircraft. AF-100s are scrambled to attack the McLeodian aircraft (70 from the CBG).
23-09-2003, 22:20
OOC: If he has no homeland, how does he :

1. Support 99 million people
2. Have aircraft
3. Have nuclear capabilities?
4. And if he uses submarines to fire them, he has to have somewhere to dock the submarines...

Also, FPC, you claimed ot have invaded the revolting territory on my side of the donut. Therefore, I consider it occupied territory.

IC: The ICMBs are redirected towards known locations of King Island objects. 1 is shot down by a McLeodian aircraft. AF-100s are scrambled to attack the McLeodian aircraft (70 from the CBG).
23-09-2003, 22:27
OOC: He is the one who claimed to have used MY coordinates, so he cant nuke my capitol if I didnt give him coordinates to my capitol.

OOC2: FPC: I dont recognize the rebel states as your territory. You are the one claiming, in OOC, that I am going to invade your entire country, which is a lie.

IC: 4 ICBMs are fired King Island, 2 at the capitol, and 2 others at other cities.

The nuclear weapons used were misguided, 2 hit in the Attiscan Desert, outside of Attica city. 1 hit in the industrial area of Attica city, halting weapons manufacturing (until commercial factories in other cities can be switched). Another hit near a residential area.

470,000 people were killed.

The Attican Empire has declared war on the King Islands.

OOC: Going back and reading the post about the attack, I see now that he did claim to use the coordinates (so I apologize there). As far as the FPC claims go, he did take back a strip of land between the Attican Empire/FPC border and the rest of the rebels. In order for your troops to meet up with the rebels, your forces would have to go through land that is owned/occupied by FPC's forces (in essence you WOULD be invading his land, in order to get to the rebels, which is something you said you would not do).

Secret IC: The radar operators aboard the cbg Alpha note the launch of the ICBMs, and work quickly to tri-angulate the position of the silos they were launched from. Once that is accomplished, that information is transmitted priority one encrypted to the military analysts in TGB. The cbg is also maintaining its surveillance of the conflict, from the safety of international waters (approx. 100 nautical miles from the other nations ships).

IC: The Gun Brothers denounces the use of WMDs in this conflict, and hopes that all responsible parties are punished for it.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 22:32
As the aircraft from the Attican CBG close in, 48 McLeodian built AF-100s recently deployed to the area launch to intercept, along with 48 F-98s, and 48 F-15s. An initial flight of 24 F-14s launches 4 Phoenix missiles each at the incoming Attican fighters.

Far below them, running low and fast, a flight of 10 F-35s armed with 2 MASRAAMS and 6 HARMs each heads for the CBG.

Behind the SEAD wave runs a flight of 8 EB-1C Lancer 2s (OOC: REduced RCS, boosted engines, better weapons capability) from the 617 squadron. Each carries 8 Wolverine-S TASM cruise misisles, designated to attack each and every ship in the CBG, starting with the carrier.

On reaching maximum range of the HARMs, every aircraft fires off its payload, then turns back to base.

Out to sea around 75 miles from the CBG, 5 attack submarines surface, before launching 24 Wolverine-NS TASM cruise missiles each towards the CBG.


Total launches:

60 HARMs
184 Wolverine-S/NS cruise missiles (250lb warhead, three bays fileld with submunitions used up first. Total power equivalent to 2500lbs of TNT per missile)
23-09-2003, 22:34
OOC: If he has no homeland, how does he :

1. Support 99 million people
2. Have aircraft
3. Have nuclear capabilities?
4. And if he uses submarines to fire them, he has to have somewhere to dock the submarines...

Also, FPC, you claimed ot have invaded the revolting territory on my side of the donut. Therefore, I consider it occupied territory.

IC: The ICMBs are redirected towards known locations of King Island objects. 1 is shot down by a McLeodian aircraft. AF-100s are scrambled to attack the McLeodian aircraft (70 from the CBG).

OOC: He abandoned his homeland today due to volcanic and tectonic instability.

Also, I don't think you can re-direct IBCMs (I believe coordinates have to be uploaded BEFORE launch).
Crookfur
23-09-2003, 22:37
Just arriving In theater Are the 3 divisional transport fleets carry the rest of the Highland Corps, thier escorts alone make a rather large presence never mind the Battle group (3rd BG) accompanying them.

Current CFN warships in the region:
1st carrier battle group:
Ulyanovsk class carrier
Defiance class carrier
2x death train class
3x Gertrude class destroyers
4x Bernadine class frigates
2 Trafalagr Subs
2x Gato CF subs
2nd carrier Group
1 Nimitz class carrier
2x death train class
3x Gertrude class destroyers
4x Bernadine class frigates
2x Trafalagr Subs
2x Gato CF subs

Each divisonal transport fleet has the following escorts (total in brackets)
1 Gertrude class Destroyer (3)
2 Bernadine class frigates (6)
2 Maria II class missile boats (6)
2 Maria class missile boats (6)
3 Eva class patrol boats (9)
And some submarines


Encrypted Coms to McLeod03
>>> feel free to swing that platform over so that they have to fly either over our battle groups or go the long way round, or of course they can try flying through FPC airspace...<<<

In response to the ongoing situation Crookfur navy fighter squadrons are comencing a large scale scramble operation (about 40 from each battle group) using CFFN-5Cs and CFFN-5Es.
23-09-2003, 22:39
The CBG goes into a defensive posture, with anti-aircraft weapons prepared.

U101 and U105 detect submarines (McLeods) and open fire. They also transmit the coordinates to other Submarines in the fleet.

OOC: If his nation is tectonically unstable and has volcanoes, how does he have straight runways to take off from? Also, how does he keep his nuclear weapons stored and fire them if volcanos and earthquakes ravage him?
Autonomous City-states
23-09-2003, 22:41
Excuse me, but you're talking about OVER 5 trillion dollars that I have. I spend 5% budget on military per year (1 week rl), so it will be enough. I don't spend too much, so the higher my money rises, the more I can support. By the way, I have over 500 billion right now invensted into maintenance.

OOC: Excuse me... but that's just ridiculous. What's going to happen when the money from your mysterious benefactors runs out? You simply do not have a large enough country or economy to support all that over the long term.

It's called taxes, no dip. Think for once, please, it helps :P

OOC: If you want to get far in this game, it would help if you didn't insult the intelligence of people that have been here far longer and who know far more about this setting than you do... and there is no possible way your nation could support any sort of large space and air force right now on its own. Your nation simply isn't large enough economically to do it... even with taxes. If you'd pull your head out of your ass, you would see that.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 22:42
The CBG goes into a defensive posture, with anti-aircraft weapons prepared.

U101 and U105 detect submarines (McLeods) and open fire. They also transmit the coordinates to other Submarines in the fleet.

OOC: If his nation is tectonically unstable and has volcanoes, how does he have straight runways to take off from? Also, how does he keep his nuclear weapons stored and fire them if volcanos and earthquakes ravage him?

OOC: Wow. They open fire from 75 miles out. They will miss.

IC: The submarines dive again, then scatter into the deep waters of the international oceans, heading via their own specific routes away from the CBG back towards McLeod.

IC Note: The TASM follow a sea-skimming profile, and the HARMs will move very low very quickly, making them hard to track and shoot down.
23-09-2003, 22:43
OOC: A friend of mine has been reading the thread, and says the following:

[16:33] <BlackFyre> this king island guy is an IDIOT
[16:33] <Antman> im aware
[16:33] <Antman> if he has no homeland
[16:33] <Antman> he has no capabilities
[16:33] <BlackFyre> yeah..what the fuck
[16:33] <Antman> nomads DONT HAVE NUKES
[16:33] <Antman> nomads DONT HAVE TRANSPORT PLANES
[16:33] <BlackFyre> volcanoes and earthquakes are ravishing my homeland...but i have 5 spare nukes and STABLE airports
[16:33] <BlackFyre> i mean
[16:33] <BlackFyre> if you have volcanoes and earthquakes all over
[16:33] <BlackFyre> how the fuck are your nukes gonne be stored?
[16:33] <BlackFyre> they're gonna blow up on themselves
[16:34] <BlackFyre> and you won't have any straight airports for the planes to launch off of either
[16:34] <BlackFyre> and how the hell are you gonna have a c-130 building factory in a homeland like that
[16:34] <Antman> yah
[16:34] <BlackFyre> idiot.
[16:34] <Antman> seriously
[16:41] <BlackFyre> The dough itself represents my country and the hole in the center represents the rebeling states. If you want to put trops into them, you'll have to walk in the dough so thus, invading me.
[16:41] <BlackFyre> ant
[16:41] <BlackFyre> what the fuck
[16:41] <BlackFyre> he said his rebels were on the border
[16:41] <BlackFyre> didn't he?
[16:41] <BlackFyre> and he said he's massing troops, NEAR THAT BORDER
[16:41] <BlackFyre> ...god
[16:41] <BlackFyre> :\
[16:41] <Antman> yah
[16:41] <Antman> godmod
[16:42] <BlackFyre> vIC: As the missiles launch, the AL-52's laser swings to target them, firing pulses at all of the missiles
[16:42] <BlackFyre> not future tech?
23-09-2003, 22:44
OOC: McLeod, you didnt state how far you were from my coast. I am not telepathic.

OOC2: McLeod - didn't you claim to have no nuclear capabilities?
23-09-2003, 22:45
The CBG goes into a defensive posture, with anti-aircraft weapons prepared.

U101 and U105 detect submarines (McLeods) and open fire. They also transmit the coordinates to other Submarines in the fleet.

OOC: If his nation is tectonically unstable and has volcanoes, how does he have straight runways to take off from? Also, how does he keep his nuclear weapons stored and fire them if volcanos and earthquakes ravage him?

OOC: Those are (IMO) pretty good questions. I'm sure that those questions can be answered when King Island is on again.

IC: Around the cbg, the alert status is at its highest possible level (short of going to general quarters). Data is pouring in, dues to the battles currently raging, and it is being transmitted to all ships in the cbg. The most important data is the radar parametrics, which are transmitted back to TGB for analysis.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 22:47
Just for you Attican.


Out to sea around 75 miles from the CBG, 5 attack submarines surface,


OOC: Yeah i have no nuclear capacity. Why do you ask?
23-09-2003, 22:49
OOC: No reason... cough cough.

IC:

From: Kaiser Otto Petinski
To: McLeod03

Again, we implore you to reconsider your position on this conflict. This is our last warning.
23-09-2003, 22:50
OOC: No reason... cough cough.

IC:

From: Kaiser Otto Petinski
To: McLeod03

Again, we implore you to reconsider your position on this conflict. This is our last warning.

OOC: Don't do it, AE. It would probably bring a lot of nations down on you.
23-09-2003, 22:52
OOC, well no one goes down on KI for using nukes on me, why would they come down on me for using nukes on McLeod?
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 22:52
OOC: No reason... cough cough.

IC:

From: Kaiser Otto Petinski
To: McLeod03

Again, we implore you to reconsider your position on this conflict. This is our last warning.

OOC: Nuke me and die. You only have two left, one not even on a missile. Unless you have been provided with more, in which case i want to see proof.

IC:

TO: Kaiser Otto Petinski
FROM: MAFCCP

Again, we will back down when you remove your troops from the FPC territory. Do so and further attacks will be called off.


<Meanwhile>

The missiles should all be arriving about.......now.

As should the 96 Phoenix misisles, still guided by the F-14s. They should be getting to your 70 AF-100s......now.
23-09-2003, 22:55
"Dodge.... NOW!"

30 AF-100s are downed, the rest barely evade destruction.

"Fire missiles!"

they launch volleys of Image Recognition missiles (ImRecs) at the McLeodian fighters


OOC: Only if you can guarantee that you will be neutral against the rebels, and only prevent civilian casualties. I also want reparations for the nuclear attack by King Islands which YOU supported (as in didnt say anything against it.)
23-09-2003, 22:55
OOC, well no one goes down on KI for using nukes on me, why would they come down on me for using nukes on McLeod?

OOC: Just because nobody's attacked King Island YET, doesn't mean that he won't be punished for it.
23-09-2003, 22:56
OOC: I DID launch nukes at his military sites, hopefully destroying his capabilities.
23-09-2003, 22:58
OOC: I DID launch nukes at his military sites, hopefully destroying his capabilities.

I meant, just because nobody else has attacked him yet, ....
23-09-2003, 22:59
AF-100s:

"Engage Radar Jammer.... now."
23-09-2003, 22:59
AF-100s:

"Engage Radar Jammer.... now."
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 23:00
"Dodge.... NOW!"

30 AF-100s are downed, the rest barely evade destruction.

"Fire missiles!"

they launch volleys of Image Recognition missiles (ImRecs) at the McLeodian fighters


OOC: Only if you can guarantee that you will be neutral against the rebels, and only prevent civilian casualties. I also want reparations for the nuclear attack by King Islands which YOU supported (as in didnt say anything against it.)

OOC: Yeha, i forgot to make a public announcement, but in the secret TG to KI i did say baout publicly condemning the attack.

IC: As the missiles close down, all the remaining fighters launch their MAMRAAMs at the Attican fighters.

Thats 864 MAMRAAMs launched.

THe McLeodian fighters scatter, tearing up the sky, throwing out chaff and flares, as well as breaking diving, aand on 12 of the AF-100s, a new technology, MAWS, detected the seeker heads on misisles aimed at those craft before destroying them with small powered lasers. The AL-52 claimed a further 35 missiles before the remainder hit.

Once the missiles hit, casualties were catastrophic.

21 AF-100s, 13 F-14s, 37 F-15s, and 17 F-98s are destroyed, either through missile fire or collisions with other aircraft or the ground.
Crookfur
23-09-2003, 23:02
OOC: this is all pure free thinking on my part:
If i was FPC i would have deployed assets in such a way as to place them in the line of fire in the event on an Attican mobilzation.
As such Crookfur forces in the area are liekly to postioned themselves around key locations.
Since we have no real data on FPC geography could we assume that there is a rahter large and nasty river that the Attican forces has to cross?
if so then Crookfur forces would be controlling bridges in our sector and as such i regret to inform FPC command that said birdges no longer exist (thats what you get with a regiment or more of bored engineers).

Now the challenge to Attica is this? do you have enough engineering support to even try and make a bridging effort? (and please remeber than even one CAS fighter getting through means no more bridge or engineers to biuld it) or will you have to take a very lengthy detour?
23-09-2003, 23:03
OOC, thats an interesting way to knock out a camera. BTW, you do know I enabled radar jammers.

OOC: Also, that part of the border is just plains i beleive.
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 23:05
AF-100s:

"Engage Radar Jammer.... now."

The sheer number of MAMRAAMs launched, means that a few were fooled by this trick, the rest, still guided by the powerful radars of the AWACS and their "home" aircraft, switched to jamming track mode, still bearing in on the AF-100s.

THe naval misisles reach the Attican fleet, the HARMs slighlty before the other misisles (around ten seconds before, thus disabling CIWS theoretically)
Crookfur
23-09-2003, 23:06
Well even plains have rivers...

Could we assume that this is northern european (ie german) type terrain?
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 23:06
OOC, thats an interesting way to knock out a camera. BTW, you do know I enabled radar jammers.

OOC: Also, that part of the border is just plains i beleive.

OOC: I posted about the jamming, and a camera will still be blinded by the laser, it just burns through the lens/CCd, blinding the missiles seeker head.
23-09-2003, 23:07
Before being destroyed, the AF-100s fire off the rest of their ImRecs. They are then destroyed.

The CBG knocks down quite a few missiles before they hit, but the fleet is basically disabled.
23-09-2003, 23:08
OOC: Crookfur, being FPCs neighbor, I would know about his geography there. Would I order a tank blitz if i could be stopped at a river?
McLeod03
23-09-2003, 23:09
Before being destroyed, the AF-100s fire off the rest of their ImRecs. They are then destroyed.

The CBG knocks down quite a few missiles before they hit, but the fleet is basically disabled.

OOC: DISBALED????? You have got to be kidding. That number of misisles would sink huge numebrs of ships. Post real losses.

How many more ImRecs?
23-09-2003, 23:11
OOC: Lets just say the fleet is sinking.

2 more each.