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That is like 4 AM in the UK

And Im goin out 2morrow

:evil:

no it isn't... it's like 1648, since this site is GMT -4, lol. At most you'll be +5 so that would be 1748.

I'll just shove my foot back into my mouth for not reading what you said, lol...
Read: "It's like 4am" not "That's like 4 am"

:shock:

Which has passed.....

UK is currently GMT+1 and I never said i was going to leave it 'til the last minute but I can if I want to. :wink:

Damn

UK IS ON GMT

GMT goes THROUGH London, which is where I live.

So there, it has passed.

You have roughly 45 minutes remaining.

I think UK is GM+1 because of daylight saving hours. I think anyway all I know is that EST is -5 from London, but it isnt midnight anywhere.

BTW I also live in London (apart from December, July and August when I go to the US)

Oh

Oh well, you have over an hour here, apparently.

OOC; phew what a read... :oops:

IC

The Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export have concluded a lengthy review of all Army armoured units and place the following order:

For our Reserve units we purchase:

795x T-80-UM4E From Dark Terror

For our frontline Armoured Divisions

3,450x T-80UM5 From Dark Terror

Dark Terror:

Please calculate the costs bearing in mind we expect a considerable discount because of the bulk order. We would also like to enquire about a low rate pruduction license so spares and replacements can be built indigenously.

We sincerely thank all other nations that have contributed bids especailly those such as Agnosticum, Freedom Country, Phoenix Militia and Free Rumania who have either contributed multiple bids or help in answering questions and queries from UE and other nations. The main reason this line of tanks was chosen was bceause we felt they offered the best cost/performance ratio and as the T-80 and T-72 were already the staple type for the Elias Army the modernised versions are a natural progression.

There is still a contract to upgrade some 390 Merkava 4 MBTs
used by our Advanced mobile Combat Divisions (Urban Warfare and rapid reaction) and we will be taking bids for this in the coming days.


Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Dictatorship of United Elias

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg

OOC; phew what a read... :oops:

IC

The Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export have concluded a lengthy review of all Army armoured units and place the following order:

For our Reserve units we purchase:

795x T-80-UM4E From Dark Terror

For our frontline Armoured Divisions

3,450x T-80UM5 From Dark Terror

Dark Terror:

Please calculate the costs bearing in mind we expect a considerbale discount because of the bulk order. We would also like to enquire about a low rate pruduction license so spares and replacements can be built indigenously.

We sincerely thank all other nations that have contributed bids especailly those such as Agnosticum, Freedom Country, Phoenix Militia and Free Rumania who have either contributed multiple bids or help in answering questions and queries from UE and other nations. The main reason this line of tanks was chosen was bceause we felt they offered the best cost/performance ratio and as the T-80 and T-72 were already the staple type for the Elias Army the modernised versions are a natural progression.

There is still a contract to upgrade some 390 Merkava 4 MBTs
used by our Advanced mobile Combat Divisions (Urban Warfare and rapid reaction) and we will be taking bids for this in the coming days.


Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Dictatorship of United Elias

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg

Knew it.....

Shame on you for chosing a T80 varient. The guy didn't even make his own independant tank design. I also would like it noted that my name was not mentioned among those who helped provide info on questions and such and forth. Coincidence, maybe. I find it hard to believe you overlooded my postings which tore at ERA and other stupid ideas on every single page almost. Ahh... well... maybe you were too lazy to write out Hole Where Evil Lives. Understandable if so. Anyway I disagree with your choice but it was yours and you made it. Considerable evidence was brought against Russian tank technology and so forth. T72 to T80, fine whatever. It was by no means better than my design and in fact a few others. Better than some though.
Ramble... ramble...

For those of you seeing this; buy my tank! Its better.

Regardless congrads to Dark Terror (lucky bstrd).

In case you didn't check the link I'll post her specs. There's a pic at my origional link.
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T-7 Gilgamesh

Heavy Main Battle Tank

Designed by: Fisaw (Industrized Serfs), Crookfur, Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives), and Newer England

Produced by: Fisaw (Industrized LSerfs) and ETC Ammunition by Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives)

Weight: 70,600kg (155,320lbs.)

Crew: 2 (in front hull)

Performance: Speed: 70km/h, Range: 450km (60km on Hybrid Electric), Vertical Obstacle: 2.4m, Fording: 3.3m, Trench 4.1m.

Armor: Advanced coposite armor incorperating Chobham, Titanium Alloys, high strength ceramics, Tungsten and spacing, exact details are availble on request but effectiveness is rated at being closs (or greater than) 1500mm RHA.

Power systems: CFPW T451 Alcohol turbine with hybrid electric drive for silent running and low heat (for operations requiring more stealth or involving infantry), emergency and maintenance power.

Armament systems: Electro Thermal Chemical 155mm main gun at least 55 calibres long capable of launching most any rounds including HEAT, Sabots, Top Attacks, Missiles, and even canisters. Also a copper round developed by fisaw. Export version using a 25mm machine gun/grenade launcher on remotely operated mount. Missiles (2 SAMs for anti chopper and possible anti round and 2 recon vehicles likely remotely operated) which aren't fired by the main gun. Also a anti-infantry variant of explosive launcher.

Ammunition: 30 Main gun, 800 25mm MG and 800 GL

Rate of Fire: Main gun: 9rpm, MG/GL 350-600rpm (or semi auto).

Intelligence Systems: Radar/laser/microwave threat warning receivers with rapid resolution of incoming fire sources, fire detection radar and suppression system, a wide variety of views with a horizon view and IR/UV/Night vision views. As well as targeting views and emergency periscope views. Laser rangefinder and designator, target acquisition system (roughly 90% accurate), remote sensor coordination (2 remotely operated recon missiles).

Counter systems: Sensors for immediate detection of hits which aim all detectors, designators and weapons at the target which if isn't found is then scanned for. Also launches a recon missile in the general direction. If the targets found then triangulation (with lasers from the recon and tank) is used to quickly get a designator on the target. Works most effectively against direct fire but if not immediately producing a target it should eventually be found.
Jammers, active counter laser, dense particulate smoke rounds and discharger, anti-missile system using ball bearing packed explosives launched at direction of incoming threat from mount on turret, an anti-mine system also using the same ball bearing packed explosive system but located at the front of the hull and using a powerful detection system, anti-magnetic mine paint, multiple drone launch capability.

Survivability systems: NBC protection, unitary armored pod inside the crew’s section of the hull, blow away sections for ammo cases (which are mounted on the sides) that release pressure on ammo incase they blow up and if they do they explode upwards away from crew and engine. The same goes for our missile systems mounted slightly to the rear of the turret. Retractable (and detachable) armored skirts.

Tank systems: Computerized hydropneumatic 'dynamic' suspension, rail system to roll out engine for maintenance, cool air jets run into exhaust stream with a combination of air and liquid (water left and stored from alcohol engine) coolant, advanced fire control computer, fully stabilized gun mountings.


As for the price i belive we are looking at soemthing in the range of $8.5million or so

She's going on this page too. Now with its link to the storefront where you can purchase them (click on it and then buy many).
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70439&highlight=
Man I wish I could have slung all these replies together.

Its a T-80 by name only, the descriptions based on the T-90, with aspects of the T-95 and Merkava.

OOC; phew what a read... :oops:

IC

[b]The Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export have concluded a lengthy review of all Army armoured units and place the following order:

For our Reserve units we purchase:

795x T-80-UM4E From Dark Terror

For our frontline Armoured Divisions

3,450x T-80UM5 From Dark Terror


Confirmed, total comes to $27.195 bil, your discount lowers it to $24 bil.

Prod rights (domestic only) for $500 mil.

Maybe youll consider our upcoming Merkava Mk6? Basically Russianized Merkava, though it will be based more on th BMPT-84 and BMT-72.

Money wired for priduction rights and tanks.
We look forward to seeing the Merkava 6 expecially if it includes similar technolgies to the T-80-UM5.

Also, the BDIA has proposed the following upgrade package for your Merkava's
- ARENA anti missile system will be added
- Shtora-2 missile jammer will be added (combines a laser jamming system like on the CHinese Type 98 with the original Shtora-1)
- Dover or Kaktus will be added (Dover is 2nd generation Chobham, Kaktus is 3rd generation ERA. Or we can add both)
- A 30mm AGS-17 grenade launcher will be added
- A new all welded turret will be put in, featuring an ET 135mm gun that fires AT-17 Slicer ATGM's at ranges of up to 6km
- The 1A5GT fire control system, featuring millimeter wave radar, and other things (can post specs here), will be added.
- Khrizantema-3 ATGM's will be added to the back of the turret (12 ATGM's total)

$1.25 mil per tank


Also, hiding behind an Obsucre Ob'ekt designation, is the prototype of a tank destroyer with 2 152mm ET guns, loosely based on the ABD-2 heavy tank created for the NCA Legion by ALphan Zieonc Law and Dark Terror.

(This is pretty much what Merkava Mk6 will be)

montogomery is my 2nd generation chobham

Also, the BDIA has proposed the following upgrade package for your Merkava's
- ARENA anti missile system will be added
- Shtora-2 missile jammer will be added (combines a laser jamming system like on the CHinese Type 98 with the original Shtora-1)
- Dover or Kaktus will be added (Dover is 2nd generation Chobham, Kaktus is 3rd generation ERA. Or we can add both)
- A 30mm AGS-17 grenade launcher will be added
- A new all welded turret will be put in, featuring an ET 135mm gun that fires AT-17 Slicer ATGM's at ranges of up to 6km
- The 1A5GT fire control system, featuring millimeter wave radar, and other things (can post specs here), will be added.
- Khrizantema-3 ATGM's will be added to the back of the turret (12 ATGM's total)

$1.25 mil per tank


Can we upgrade 375 Tanks to this standard, with just tthe Kaktus ERA.

Confirmed.

Noooooooooooooo..............................


Use your brain

Noooooooooooooo..............................


Use your brainHeres that little obscure Ob'ekt based on the ABD-2 heavy tankl which will make your GIlgamesh obsolete :wink:
http://members.lycos.nl/ccrenegade/pics/toolstrade/3.jpg

The pic is going to make Gilgamesh obsolete?

I'm sorry that was the worst joke I ever made. Its definately not as funny as what you just said. Burn.

Man I'm really pulling out all the stops on bad jokes today.

Tank looks like a piece of junk. Seriously is that one of those mamoths from the origional Comand and Conquer or what. I mean big guns look nice and invincible Russian tank technology all sound good but in reality man its bullcrp. Sorry to bring up Russian tank technology again but a Russianized Merkava? That's the *swear thing I ever heard. Ah... I'm just angry. Where's my stress ball? What are you crying at? Do you want me to tear out your eyes? Shut up!

*....rambles

2 152mm ETC guns to destroy everything in sight, and oh yeah some ATGM's.

Protected by Dover and Kakatus.

I'm guessing you wouldn't use that thing for urban combat

I'm guessing you wouldn't use that thing for urban combat
My ides for urban combat are as follows:
http://www.army.lv/4e4nja/Foto/Sistemi_zalpovogo_ognja/foto/Grad(1).jpg
http://www.army.lv/4e4nja/Foto/Sistemi_zalpovogo_ognja/foto/Grad(4).jpg
http://www.army.lv/4e4nja/Foto/Artelerija/foto/capt_russia_chechnya_2wc.jpg
http://www.army.lv/4e4nja/Foto/Artelerija/foto/sau_ap_0221_01.jpg

I'd just give hoses to people and make the ground muddy, then watch that thing sink and laugh.

I'd just give hoses to people and make the ground muddy, then watch that thing sink and laugh.
Then Ill gas em for causing me the trouble.

then someone would nuke you...again

And how much does that thing way? 150tons+? What about fuel economy?

then someone would nuke you...again

And how much does that thing way? 150tons+? What about fuel economy?
100 tons.

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/mbt/mbt.tos-1.220mm.990811.jpg

See if that worked (probably not, if it didn't then why not!?). 220mm 30 of em. Screw urban combat. Actually more like desert warfare but I like the pic.

We agree on that, hole!

FR- I ignore nukes. Problem solved. :lol:

then what's to stop someone from ignoring your tanks?

nothing!

then what's to stop someone from ignoring your tanks?

nothing!(Warning. Extreme irony upcoming)
Nuking is bad RP.

Actually, the above was a joke, but Me, belem, acrena, and wealten (irony irony) made an SDI grid together, sorta like mini skynet. You want to attack us, you have to recognize it.

I thought Dorchestor was 2nd generation Chobham..

I thought Dorchestor was 2nd generation Chobham..

There is no 2nd generation Chobham!

I thought Dorchestor was 2nd generation Chobham..

There is no 2nd generation Chobham!
Yes, there is, or there is rumored to be.

Sorta like Aurora, I guess.

MBTs are useless without support vehicles (as the Reichswehr learned in the brief but deadly FPC war). Therefore, ATTICA is working on light tanks to back up the heavy tanks.

MBTs are useless without support vehicles (as the Reichswehr learned in the brief but deadly FPC war). Therefore, ATTICA is working on light tanks to back up the heavy tanks.
Perhaps youll consider our BMP-3M1 IFV? It has a 105mm main gun and 30mm coaxial gun, some ATGM's, and Kaktus ERA. 7 troops carried.


Also, we can help you install 40mm coaxial autocannons.

I don't see the point in having two guns on a tank. One is enough for anything.

I don't see the point in having two guns on a tank. One is enough for anything.

Actually, if you are facing third generation Chobham, a twin-barrelled system wold be nice as long as the shot was slightly staggered. By staggering, you can get the impact of one round in on the target and the other on virtually the same spot within fractions of seconds, improving your chances of a kill. However, that also means either more ammo or fewer shots overall...

who won??

I'll just stick with one.

How thick is Chobham? The actual thickness of it not the RHA.

Oh so you guys wouldn't like the mammoth tank would, with its 2 120mm guns and 2 105mm guns :(

The reason is so that 2 tanks that are close together can be fired at the same time, or you can just look at it as the fire rate is now doubled if you time it right.
(also the reason for 105mm rifled cannons is for long range destruction of SAMs, tank destroyers and APCs while the 2 120mm smooth bore cannons take out heavily armored tanks at closer range with SABOT or HEAT rounds.)

Chobham hasn't had generations. Well it may have had slight improvements through the various Abrams variants (M1 through M1A3). Twin barreled weapons will not hit the exact same place unless you use a laser rangefinder (thus having an unblocked line of sight) and angle both barrels so that they hit in the same place. This would not have the same effect anyway since they hit the armor at opposite angles. It would also be difficult to hit moving targets unless you had a very advanced system which moved barrels as target moved. Plus then it wouldn't be direct fire. You would have twice the chances of knocking out the tank but considering the cost of additional barrels, autoloaders, stabilization, etc it would just be easier to devise a better faster autoloader. The only real useful situation for twin barrels I can see for combat vehicles in the future is self propelled artillery using autoloaders. You can double your rate of fire if you have a second autoloader and gun. Since we're using large calibre ammunition a faster autoloader may not be an option.

M1A3 already?

Cummon the US only built 100 M1A2's...

Why are we still argueing?

Its over, DT won......

Again.......