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The Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export has announced that the army wishes to replace existing T-72 and T-80 main battle tanks with a newer design. All nations are invited to tender for the contract which will be for 500+ vehicles. The following requirements must be met in order to be considered:


-Must be Diesel powered, gas turbine designs will NOT be considered.
-Must have a manual loading system, autoloaders will NOT be considered.
-Must have a full Nuclear/Chemical./Biological protection system.
-Must have the ability to operate in any weather conditions, day or night.
-Must have advanced FLIR automatic targeting system
-Must be able to withstand RPG rounds and most man portable anti-tank weapons.
-Must be protected from anti-armour mines
-Must have a digital Friendly/Foe Interrogator.


Designs will be reviewed Sunday 20th September)

All information must be posted here including pictures, Storefront links will NOT be considered.

Ill modify my T-80UM4 to meet requirements.

Specs tommorow.

Why not Hydrogen engines? Why not autoloaders?

Hydrogen engines-downrightstupid.
autoloaders-have a habit of taking people's arms off and a good loader can do it quicker.

bump

Ill call it T-80-UM4E, though it has a higher profile because I cant put a crewless turret on it. Dont worry kaktus-1 ERA can defeat KE penetrators, RPG's simply bounce off it, and it can withstand a hit from an"infantry ATGM" [assuming it doesnt get jammed or destroyed].

http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u.jpg
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u(5).jpg

The T-80UM4E armament includes one Free Rumanian high velocity 135mm gun, stabilized in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. It penetrates 1900mm at 1km, 1300mm at 2 km, 800 mm at 3km. An M1A2 is dead at 3 km. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuses, though HEAT is most effective against tanks.

The 135mm gun can also fire the AT-17 Slicer anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100 - 6,000 m and takes 14.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 7 km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 28.4 kg.


There are 12 Kornet ATGM's towards the rear of the turret. Kornet is a laser guided ATGM with a range of over 5km that easily penetrates the amror of the M1A2 or similar tanks with its 1200mm penetration.

Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62 mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7 mm air defense machine gun. A 5.45 mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.

Armor:

The T-80UM4E tank is protected by both 2nd generation CHobham armor and 3rd generation ERA (kaktus). THis allows it to absorb hits from 120 or 125mm guns [which Kontakt-5 can do, Kaktus gives better protection against ATGM's. And its RL.], as well as from a good deal of missiles.

The T-80UM4E is fitted with the Shtora-2. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerized control system.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment. It also includes a laser jamming system.

T-80UM4E is fitted with Arena.

The Bisonic ARENA system, the first available DAS-system, was analysed by TNO-PML in collaboration with TNO-FEL. This systems detects an incoming anti-tank missile and reacts by throwing a cassette containing explosives and fragments towards the missile. Upon detonation of the cassette, the fragments interact with the missile, such that its effectiveness decreases substantially.

Both testings of the effectiveness of the fragments and computer simulation of the suite of events- detection, intercept and residual penetration capability- were performed. This resulted in an assessment of the increased survivability of the vehicle equipped with ARENA. The same analyses also gave an idea of the decrease of performance of the anti-tank missile.

The Arena system is switched on/off from the commander's control console. Once Arena is switched on, all subsequent operations are performed automatically. Apart from the basic automatic mode of operation, exceptionally, the commander can control the system manually, for example, when it is necessary to destroy obstacles or for close-in protection against infantry.

Arena provides protection for a moving or stationary tank in any weather and in any combat environment, irrespective of the angle of impact of the enemy's weapons. The data-processing radars and sights feature a high level of noise immunity. They do not respond to false and random signals, and come into action only in situations where there is a serious threat to the tank or when a weapon fired by the enemy is heading directly towards the tank.

THe T-80UM4E also has a laser jamming system and Drozd-M, protecting it very well from missiles.

It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.

Propulsion:
The T-80UM4E has a 1400 hp turbocharged engine. This engine can be fuelled by T-2 or TS-1 kerosene and A-72 benzine, in addition to diesel. The tank can carry up to 1,600 litres of fuel in the main fuel tanks and fuel drums. The fuel tanks are reinforced with armor plating.
The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 5 metres of water with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes.
The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.

Fire Control: The gunner's 1A43 day FCS comprises: 1G46 day sight/rangefinder with missile guidance channel, 2E42-4 armament stabilizer, 1V528 ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge.
The commander's PNK-4S sight includes a TKN-4S (Agat-S) day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m (day) and 700 m (night).
The driver is equipped with a TVN-5 infrared night viewer.

The new fire control system includes very advanced features including the capability to acquire and lock onto moving targets, even airborne helicopters, while the tank itself is on the move.

The computer controlled fire control system includes line of sight stabilisation in two axes, a second-generation television sight and automatic thermal target tracker, a laser range finder, an improved thermal night vision system and a dynamic cant angle indicator. The commander's station is fitted with a stabilised panoramic day and night sight. The integrated operating system includes advanced data communications and battle management. Tadiran developed the T-96M's communications system, the inter communication system and the VRC 120 vehicular transceiver radio with embedded auxiliary receivers.

A T-80UM4E costs $6 mil, $5.5 mil for TGPA, NCA, or GII Commonwealth members



That meet the needs?

The Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export has announced that the army wishes to replace existing T-72 and T-80 main battle tanks with a newer design. All nations are invited to tender for the contract which will be for 500+ vehicles. The following requirements must be met in order to be considered:


-Must be Diesel powered, gas turbine designs will NOT be considered.
-Must have a manual loading system, autoloaders will NOT be considered.
-Must have a full Nuclear/Chemical./Biological protection system.
-Must have the ability to operate in any weather conditions, day or night.
-Must have advanced FLIR automatic targeting system
-Must be able to withstand RPG rounds and most man portable anti-tank weapons.
-Must be protected from anti-armour mines
-Must have a digital Friendly/Foe Interrogator.


Designs will be reviewed in 5 RL days (Sunday 14th September)

All information must be posted here including pictures, Storefront links will NOT be considered.

Tilsitsinian engineers from the LGR Defense company are currently working on a design to meet these specifications.. We will post specifications here as they are established.

Dark Terror: The T-80-UM4E has been entered. Thank You very much.

Tilsitsin: We look forward to your entry.

bump.

My entries:

FT-4 'Thorin' Light Tank:

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/FC/thorin.jpg

To be pretty quick, fire a 95mm gun and have a .50 cal on top. Has to be amphibious and air lift able. To be used in urban situations, tanks battles and anti infantry.

Weight: 32tons
Crew: 2 (driver, gunner/commander)
Engine: CFPW T442
Water drive: 2 water jet systems (steer able)
Max speed: 120kph
Range: 700km
Weapons:
Main gun: 105mm High velocity gun (can fire M9 ATGMs at up to 6km) with auto loader capable of 15RPM (slower for ATGMs)
Co-axial: 20mm Grenade launcher
External: 1 universal MG mounting
Ammo: 20main gun rounds, 10 ATGMs and 500 grenades in armoured isolated emergency vented boxes inside turret, up to 800 rounds for MG
Armour:
Turret: 300mm advanced armour composite
Body: Front: 350mm. sides/ rear: 285mm
Electrical reactive armour
Survivability: Fully integrated defensive counter measures system including threat detection and active counter laser system, heat signature obscured by cool air mixing in exhaust and advanced engine cooling system (mixture of exhaust water and small amounts of fuel), radar absorbing paint
Systems: Full digital fire control with fully stabilized gun and suspension system, fire direction system for GL and target detection radar, full thermal/IE vision systems for all weather/night time operation, full tactical and command level data/ coms systems

OR

Main Battle Tank 'Beowulf':

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/FC/beowulf.jpg

To be streamlined and have a low profile. Has to have a 120mm gun and mounted .50 cal, and a machine gun also in the turret. Not amphibious, and can’t be carried in planes (unless they are BIG) be able to trade hits with MBTs and pulverise them in tank battles. To be mainly used against other tanks


Weight: 69tons
Crew: 3 (driver, gunner, commander).
Engine: CFPW T441 Alcohol Turbine
Max Speed: 75kph
Range: 500km
Weapons:
Main gun: 135mm high velocity gun (capable of hard kills at over 7km) can fire M11 ATGMS at up to 9km, uses a 12RPM auto loader (slower for ATGMs)
Co-axial: 12.7mm or 9mm HMG
External: 20mm grenade launcher (with indirect fire capabilities), and universal MG mounting.
Mounted: 27mm Chain Gun
Ammo: 30main gun rounds, 10 ATGMs and 1000 MG rounds stored in armoured boxes inside at sides of turret with pressure release system to vent ammo detonations away from the tank, 20mm and external MG ammo carried externally (500 20mm and 800MG rounds)
Armour:
Turret: 420mm advanced armour composite.
Body: front: 500mm, sides/ rear: 375mm
External Electrical reactive armour
Survivability: Fully integrated defensive counter measures system including threat detection and active counter laser system, heat signature obscured by cool air mixing in exhaust and advanced engine cooling system (mixture of exhaust water and small amounts of fuel), radar absorbing paint
Systems: Full digital fire control with fully stabilized gun and suspension system, fire direction system for GL and target detection radar, full thermal/IE vision systems for all weather/night time operation full tactical and command level data/ coms systems allowing direct transmission and receipt of recon and target data to and from support elements (including artillery and air support)

If that's what you're worried about in an autoloader I can tell you that mine is completely seperate from the crew in a remotely operated turret with simple design for optimum reliability and speed. My engine is a turbine but its alchohal driven (much cheaper and gives its own coolant). The turbine can also be turned off and a electric drive system (by charged generator) will run in case your using infantry assistance or if you need silenter running and which is also useful for running when the engine runs out of fuel or is knocked out (not going to happen anyway). Check it out here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70439&highlight=

PS: don't buy any T80 varients. Please. (maybe Black Eagle but still a waste of your money). For that matter don't buy any new russian tanks (T94 might be alright if its actually produced).

If that's what you're worried about in an autoloader I can tell you that mine is completely seperate from the crew in a remotely operated turret with simple design for optimum reliability and speed. My engine is a turbine but its alchohal driven (much cheaper and gives its own coolant). The turbine can also be turned off and a electric drive system (by charged generator) will run in case your using infantry assistance or if you need silenter running and which is also useful for running when the engine runs out of fuel or is knocked out (not going to happen anyway). Check it out here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70439&highlight=

PS: don't buy any T80 varients. Please. (maybe Black Eagle but still a waste of your money). For that matter don't buy any new russian tanks (T94 might be alright if its actually produced).
Black Eagle can turn Abrams into scrap metal with 1 quick shot. "New russian tanks", expecially black eagle with kaktus ERA, are immune to all 120mm rounds the US has (proved by live fire tests in 1996), whereas Kaktus ERA also defeats all those double charged missiles.

THis can turn abrams into scrap metal with kornets at 6km.



PS:
The T-80UM5 is almost finished, which is T-80UM4 with an electro0thermal 135mm gun that hits like a 155mm gun.

DT: I like the sound of that any more info?

Main gun: 135mm high velocity gun (capable of hard kills at over 7km) can fire M11 ATGMS at up to 9km, uses a 12RPM auto

FT-5

Capable of much the same DT was saying

Well it will basically have a slightly different turret [shot trap still not present, although the other tanks submitted also dont have it either], but for you its a different turret since we cant put a crewless turret with an autoloader on.

Main gun: 135mm high velocity gun (capable of hard kills at over 7km) can fire M11 ATGMS at up to 9km, uses a 12RPM auto

FT-5

Capable of much the same DT was saying
True, except mine has 12 Kornet ATGM's near the rear of the turret.


Didnt he say he doesnt consider autoloaders? Otherwise I have a 15 rpm autoloader....

oh, and UM5 will have a coaxial 40mm autocannon for killing APC's.

Mine houses 4 ATGM missiles aswell.

The more stuff on it, the more of a target, the more weight though.

Mine has 12 ATGM's.

The more weight? 10 ATGM's are a few hundred lbs, i.e NOTHING.

More of a target though.

One RPG can hit one of them, and explode the lot of them.

More of a target though.

One RPG can hit one of them, and explode the lot of them.
And they cant be fired, but the tank isnt destroyed because the missiles explode away from it and send shrapnel into it (no damage). Besides Arena and Drozd-M can destroy RPG's with some succes...

Some success. I prefer ECM targeting and a big Vulcan swivel cannon.

Some success. I prefer ECM targeting and a big Vulcan swivel cannon.
It also has Shtora jammer...


RPG is small which is why its only "some success". Besides, only 6 missiles are knocked out, theres 6 others. The tank itself easily survives, and it always has those AT-17 gun fired missiles.

And it seems to have little protection from aerial assault.

A big vulcan swivel cannon can mince any incoming helo/fighter.

Which is why any non idiot-brain gets something along the lines of Avenger or LAV-AD to follow his tanks (preferably LAV-AD"s as theyre better armored).

Yeh, but theres a lot of idiot brains in the world.

And the FT-5 is a kinda double tank, with the big Chain Gun on top, it is a kinda Anti Helo and Attack vehicle, and is still a tank.
And the Gun can mince any incoming fat missiles (Maverick, etc)

AT-17 can also engage low flying aircraft, though it only goes around 600 MPH.

Yeh, but helo's are the biggest threat.

And you would have to swivel the tank gun around, which is tedious.

The crewless turret on the regular version does that pretty quickly....

or you can replace Kornet with Igla-S SAM.

Devastator MBT
Type: Main battle tank
Crew: 4
Length: 35 ft. 6 in. with main gun forward
Height: 9 ft. 8 in.
Width: 12 ft. 2 in.
Weight: approx. 68 tons
Engine: 1750 bhp diesel turbine
Range: Approx. 365 miles
Armor: ceramic/depleted uranium mesh composite with explosive reactive plating
Armaments: 135mm main cannon; 7.62mm coaxial machine gun; 7.62mm antiaircraft machine gun
Cost: $6.5 million ($5 million for alliance members, $4.5 million for regional allies)

The Devastator is a heavy tank suitable for just about any type of terrain other than mountains and swamps. It has highly advanced electronics that give it remarkable accuracy in any conditions. A deep water fording kit is available for an extra $50,000 per tank - this allows the Devastator to embark on shallow amphibious landings or get through moderately deep swampland.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m1a2.jpg

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Wolverine MBT
Type: Main battle tank
Crew: 4
Length: 31 ft. with main gun forward
Height: 10 ft. 8 in.
Width: 11 ft. 10 in.
Weight: approx. 54 tons
Engine: 790 bhp, 12-cylinder, air cooled diesel engine
Range: Approx. 300 miles
Armor: rolled steel with explosive reactive plating
Armaments: 110mm main cannon; 7.62mm coaxial machine gun; 12.7mm antiaircraft machine gun
Cost: $4 million ($3.25 million for alliance members, $2.75 million for regional allies)

This tank, while not as effective as the Devastator, is nevertheless a fine weapon. It is older, slower and not armored as well as its newer contemporary, but is still much more effective than a large number of the ubiquitous older Soviet tanks and peforms quite well. This was formerly the main tank of the Kelanthian Army, but has since been replaced by Devastators, and thus a limited number of used models are available for a reduced price. 4450 used tanks are available for 50% off the listed price; all have been thoroughly inspected and are in perfect condition other than a small amount of wear on the engines - a great buy for smaller nations that are just developing a military. (When ordering, please specify if the used tanks are desired.)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m60-a3.jpg

Yeh, but then it loses its tank capability, and becomes a SAM unit.

Try just slapping a chain gun on the top.....

Yeh, but then it loses its tank capability, and becomes a SAM unit.

Try just slapping a chain gun on the top.....
No, it can just tuirn its tuirret when necessary, just like with Kornet (well that needs laser guidance).

my MBT's carry 2 SAMs(the smaller ones, something like the igla). My TDR-3000 also has a 23mm chain gun above the turret.

TDR-3000
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/British/British_Conqueror_Heavy_Tank.gif
Crew: 4
Height: 11.5 feet (3.45 meters) to top of mini turret.
Width: 15.33 feet (4.6 meters)
Length: 45.57 feet (13.67 meters) with barrel; 33.23 feet (9.97 meters) for just the hull/main body of the tank.
Weight: 72 tons fully loaded
Armament:
145mm High Velocity cannon capable of 1650mm of penetration at 2km
23mm AA cannon
2 12.7mm MG's
Smoke dispensers
2 Fold out SAMs
Top speed: 37mph
Cross country speed: 30mph
Range: 400km
Fording ability: Up to 20ft
Protection:
Konkav 3rd gen. ERA
All those neat russian gizmos with the cool names
Heat dampers
Cost: $7 Million

my MBT's carry 2 SAMs(the smaller ones, something like the igla). My TDR-3000 also has a 23mm chain gun above the turret.

TDR-3000
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/British/British_Conqueror_Heavy_Tank.gif
Crew: 4
Height: 11.5 feet (3.45 meters) to top of mini turret.
Width: 15.33 feet (4.6 meters)
Length: 45.57 feet (13.67 meters) with barrel; 33.23 feet (9.97 meters) for just the hull/main body of the tank.
Weight: 72 tons fully loaded
Armament:
145mm High Velocity cannon capable of 1650mm of penetration at 2km
23mm AA cannon
2 12.7mm MG's
Smoke dispensers
2 Fold out SAMs
Top speed: 37mph
Cross country speed: 30mph
Range: 400km
Fording ability: Up to 20ft
Protection:
Konkav 3rd gen. ERA
All those neat russian gizmos with the cool names
Heat dampers
Cost: $7 Million

Nice tank

Very Uber

Personally I would mount a 2tmm chain gun instead of a Vulcan.

And the 27mm is a nice round.

The only problem with the TDR-3000 is that it's fackin huge, a big ass An-225 can only carry like 2

Nice big target too.

Would get killed easily in urban combat, from side hit. Rear also looks vurnerable.

Urban combat?



VX the town, move on.

I would sell youy my TXL-20 Overlord tank. Butits not for sale.

Urban combat is not a problem. Romanian doctrine requires bypassing and encircling towns, then turning them to rubble from the air. And even when in towns it would be tough for any RPG to pierce it's armor, and the 23mm works wonders on humans and thin skinned vehicles

hehehe

no, you could make the occupants work for you.

And beside, theres always ome urban conflict to join into.

Urban combat is not a problem. Romanian doctrine requires bypassing and encircling towns, then turning them to rubble from the air. And even when in towns it would be tough for any RPG to pierce it's armor, and the 23mm works wonders on humans and thin skinned vehiclesEh, I just move in tons of Grad MLRS systems in range and flatten it.

But its a big, sluggish thing.

And even the cannon cant move quick enough. And there is always danger from roofs. An age old tactic is placing an Hellfire on top of a roof, adn firing it down on a chokepoint.

Then shtora jams it while arena destroys it.

Hello my friends. We're a little off topic aren't we. Has the T-7 Gilgamesh been considered for the contract?

Dark Terror and I have a small disagreal on ERA. I'll give some evidence prooving that Explosive Reactive Armor (an improvement on old tanks to make them better against HESH, an inferior round). Read this. Its TTK's message with the subject HESH vs. HEAT about a fourth of the way down or so.

Also I wouldn't worry to much about RPGs. If your tanks designed well it won't be effected by them, can detect them, and can destroy them.

HESH works great on APC's, though its useless against tanks.


HEAT was made useless by the original ERA, KE penetrators by 2nd gen ERA, and double charged crap by 3rd gen ERA.



PS:
Enjoy my upcoming tank destroyer

Even a couple of AT-4's on roofs can mangle a tank, if it hits its roof.

Of course this begs the question of what sort of idiot sends armored colums into urban areas without huge inf support, but then we already have an answer to that: the russians esspecially in chetchnia where they have taken some ridiculous losses due to that practice.

Evenm Infatary cant really stop a quick ambush or fire from a roof.

There are hundreds of roofs in a city, all capable of holding an AT4 guy whacking your tanks.

And the FT-4 is great for urban conflict, it is light, quick, loaded with MG's, adn has a quick swivel cannon.

Think behind enemy lines, at Hac.

http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=649a6e83-63d6-2424-1c6f-435f76103eea



The T-1 Scorpion main battle tank incorporates a new type of carbon composite encased depleted uranium armor all around.The side skirts of the treads are made of high density carbon composite. Armor bulkheads separate the crew compartment from the fuel tanks. The top panels of the tank are designed to blow outwards in the event of penetration by a HEAT projectile. This tank is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) warfare.It carries one 140mm rifled main cannon and there is enough room for 60 assorted rounds DU, HEAT, SABOT, STAFF rounds and TOW-2 anti-tank missiles. One L8A1 three-barrelled smoke grenade discharger is fitted on each side of the turret and you want to put conventional grenades in the launchers(takes HE grenades up to 40mm), A smoke screen can also be laid by an engine operated system.There are also 2 M-99 mounts which contain 8 hellfire mmws and 40 m261 2.75 inchhydra rockets. For defense thee are also 4 stingers mounted ont he back of the turret, behind the commander's station.The commander sits in a fully armored mini-turret which is equipped with six periscopes(providing 360 degree view), the .50 cal machine gun and he can operate the M-99 systems, the stingers , and desiginate targets for the main gun by using the CITV system. The Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) provides the commander with independent stabilised day and night vision with a 360 degree view, automatic sector scanning, automatic target cueing of the gunner's sight and back-up fire control.
There is one coaxial 7.62mm M-240B machinegun that can be operated by the gunner, a second 7.62mm is mounted on a skate mount on the other side and is operated by the loader. Even the driver has his own machinegun to operate if need be, a 5.62mm M-249 SAW is mounted in the very front of the tank also on a skate mount.
Specifications
Power Plant: The PD XM-1700 Diesel-Electric Hybrid with fuel cell battery backup.
Maximum Speed: 48mph
Weight: 69 tons
Weapons
(1) 140mm Main Cannon( can be targeted by gunner/commander)
(2) 7.62mm M-240B MGs in main turret operated by loader+gunner
(1) 5.56mm M-249 machine gun in front operated by driver
(1) 12.7mm (.50 cal) GAU-16 Machine Gun operated by commander.
(4) FIM-92 Stinger in 4 pack launcher on back of main turret
(8} Hellfire in left and right side M-99 mounts
(40)2.75inch M261 Hydra rockets in left and right side M-99 mounts
(6) L818 40mm smoke/tear gas/ HE grenade launchers on side
(2) 81mm Mortars on side of treads
Crew: 4 commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Electronics
(CITV)
Thermal Imaging System (TIS)
Eyesafe Laser Rangefinder(ELRF)
Gunner's Primary Sight- Line of Sight (GPS-LOS)
Digital fire control computer
6X-100X optical zoom scope w/ thermal and nightvision in turret
4X-16x sight on .50cal
Thermal/Nightvison/Video Gun sight w/6x opitcal zoom on .50cal gun
UHF, VHF,SATCOM communications systems
GPS reciever
*all electronics are shielded from emp in faraday cages.
Price
$Negotiable for large contracts. (currently sold for under $5 million)


Interested?

I can swap the hybrid engine with a regular M-1650 Diesel if you want (thats what we used on the prototype anyways) but we find the XM-1700 gets MUCH better fuel consuption rates. If the fuel-cell/battery backup is also disqualifying for maintence or thech level issues they can be swapped with regualr dry cell batteries. (the fuel-cell is only for backup anyway only would need it if u wanted to use the electronics systems/ fire the missiles when you were out of fuel)

More of a target though.

One RPG can hit one of them, and explode the lot of them.
And they cant be fired, but the tank isnt destroyed because the missiles explode away from it and send shrapnel into it (no damage). Besides Arena and Drozd-M can destroy RPG's with some succes... You should look into my M-99 system (as mounted on the T-1 and also sold seprately), it weighs a little more but makes the missiles less vunreable, also its got 20 rockets plus the targeting system.

If it can be modified to use Kornets (far more practical to be used on tanks than hellfire), Ill buy sdome.

I am going to replace my tank with something a bit newer later today, so hold on till then.

More of a target though.

One RPG can hit one of them, and explode the lot of them.
And they cant be fired, but the tank isnt destroyed because the missiles explode away from it and send shrapnel into it (no damage). Besides Arena and Drozd-M can destroy RPG's with some succes... You should look into my M-99 system (as mounted on the T-1 and also sold seprately), it weighs a little more but makes the missiles less vunreable, also its got 20 rockets plus the targeting system.

I already bought the prod rights from you ages ago :roll:

:P


DT what kind of guidance system does the Kornet use?

:P


DT what kind of guidance system does the Kornet use?
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/at-14.htm


Khrizantema seems a bit more promising, I use it on my APC's.

As long as they can be tube launched, the Kornets will work with M-99
Since you dont want the hellfires they will be cheaper(since they are ususlay sold with a full missile/rocket load)

As long as they can be tube launched, the Kornets will work with M-99
Since you dont want the hellfires they will be cheaper(since they are ususlay sold with a full missile/rocket load)
Alrighty.


Ill take 2500 for now, should buy more later.

The Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export has announced that the army wishes to replace existing T-72 and T-80 main battle tanks with a newer design. All nations are invited to tender for the contract which will be for 500+ vehicles. The following requirements must be met in order to be considered:


-Must be Diesel powered, gas turbine designs will NOT be considered.
-Must have a manual loading system, autoloaders will NOT be considered.
-Must have a full Nuclear/Chemical./Biological protection system.
-Must have the ability to operate in any weather conditions, day or night.
-Must have advanced FLIR automatic targeting system
-Must be able to withstand RPG rounds and most man portable anti-tank weapons.
-Must be protected from anti-armour mines
-Must have a digital Friendly/Foe Interrogator.


Designs will be reviewed Sunday 20th September)

All information must be posted here including pictures, Storefront links will NOT be considered.

yeah we saw it.

Unfortunately, Tilsitsin is currently involved in a major conflict and will be unable to submit a design for this competition.

Unfortunately, Tilsitsin is currently involved in a major conflict and will be unable to submit a design for this competition.

A major conflict?

With JJR?

I thought I've blown up his ortillery system! :shock:

Unfortunately, Tilsitsin is currently involved in a major conflict and will be unable to submit a design for this competition.

A major conflict?

With JJR?

I thought I've blown up his ortillery system! :shock:

Nope, I'm involved here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70046&highlight=). Pantera flooded drugs into my country in order to push us into war with him, and now he has a multinational coalition out to invade us.

So why are you canceling your entry? You can still develop a new tank while a war is going on... its been done before. (many times)

Ok

My new tank.

The FT-9 Medusa

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/FT-9.JPG

Is an upgraded T80 tank, with 150mm high velocity cannon. Uses many defense systems, and has many arnaments.

Max Speed: 35 mph
Range: 600km with no barrels, 800km with rear barrels full.
Height: 2.76 metres high
Length: 10.2 metres
Width: 4.2 metres
Weight: 52-59 metric tons
Clearance: 0.52 metres
Armor: Front: 1600mm
Side: 1200mm
Rear: 800mm
Crew: 3-4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Computer Operator (optional))
Engine: Diesel Engine Hyperbar V8 of power 1500 ch/DIN.
Obstical negotitation: Trench Width: 3.1m
Vertical Height: 1.1m
Maximum Gradient: 37 degrees

Arnament: Main Weapon: 1 150mm High Velocity Cannon
Secondary Weapons: 1 27mm 5 Barrel Chain Gun
1 27mm Single Barrel Cannon
4 ATGM Missile Mounts
Mounted Weapons: 1 Co-Axial Mounted .50 cal M2
8 40mm Smoke/HE grenade dispensers

Equipment: 2 Mounted Target Seeking ECM confusers
2 Mounted Chaff pods
1 Laser Guided Missile scrambler
1 Active Missile Jammer
4 NVG sights
Mounted 360 degree mini cameras
SHUD and FFE sockets
1 AAFCU-12X Fire Control Unit
1 FCICF-2X Incoming Fire System

Onboard Sights: Commander: 360 Degree mini camera unit
Gunner: 360 degree camera unit
AAFCU-19X Compact Fire Control Unit
AARFU-27X Laser/Radar Rangefinder
AAFCU-20X Automatic Aiming Computer
AAFCU-21X Enviroment Guage
Driver: 360 Degree Camera Unit
SHUD Unit
NVG/IR/Laser/Thermal viewing system

Navigation: Commander: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map ( :D )
Gunner: Digital Map system
Enviroment Visualisation Unit
Driver: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map

Radio: Complete circuit Communication Unit
FCXY Head Mounted Speech Unit
FCXT-5 Handheld radios

Other Equipment: Mine Clearing Equipment
4 Spades
1 Camo net
1 Extra Round container (optional) or
4 FC-57 Assault Rifles and 4 BPV vests


This is the pinnacle of our ground designs. It utilises all out latest technology, systems, programs and arnaments. Armed with a huge 150mm High Velocity gun that can cut through armor up to and beyond MBT thickness, with a variety of shells, like HEAT, Sabot, ATGM's and Canisters. Also armed with 4 ATGM systems of your choice, on mounts on the side of the tank. These missile are proppeled out by refillable compressed air jets, out up to 4 metres away, then they fire, sending the ATGM away. Also on it are several gun systems, including the GAU-15 27mm Chain Gun computer controlled system, that can shoot down helicopters, planes, incoming missiles, even smaller missiles with the help of the computer and ICF (Incoming Fire) Alert System. The front one can cover up to 95 degrees in either direction. It is also aided by the FFE (Friedly Fire Eliminater), a system that can detect transmitters mounted on friendly units, as not to shoot down Friendly Aircraft. The rear on is a Single Barreled 27mm Cannon System, that also can shoot down missiles and airborne enemies, but at less ammo consumption. This can be detached and replaced by a mortar, Stinger or even Small SAM system if needed. Mounted over the commanders compartment is a .50 cal machine gun, that can be replaced by a smaller LMG if needed.

The crew compartments are all quite spacious, but not stupidly so, adn allow for easy movement in a heated battle. Each one is fitted with a above head height flat screen monitors, which each display a different view of the battle, utilising the 9 Cameras placed all round the tanks turret. These cameras run a video through to the monitors, which display all areas over the battle field at a moments glance, without the need for a periscope. Thought these are installed anyway :) . A radio feed through helmet mounted transmitters monitor all things said by other crew members, and pas them through to the other 2/3. This allows for battlefield communication easily. Only 3 crew are really needed, but a fourth member, the computer manner, looks at the computer control units, assign targets to the twin guns, ECM defense systems, chaffs, jammers etc.

These defense systems include 2 ECM pods on the tanks sides, which target individual missiles to confuse. Chaff and flare pods are instlled, a laser warhead scrambler which transmits too many signals for the missile to comprehend, therefore shutting it down. A jammer is also installed, jamming all non friendly frequencies when turned on. NVG, IR, Laser and Thermal scopes are at every station, and can be attached to the 360 degree monitors, allowing for night and difficult conditions monitoring. The gunner uses an auto targetting system, and an auto aim system, which makes correction sin misaim, such as wind conditions, humidity adn obstacles.

Extra rounds can be held in a compartment near the gunner, but assault rifles for the crew can also be stored, as well as bullet proof vests. There is also plenty room for storage of camo nets etc.

All this adds up to a very, very good tank.

Hope you like it (and read all the text, none of it is made up. I JUST GODDAMN TYPED THAT OUT!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: ( :D ))

FC didn't you forget that it can't have an auto loader? u have "driver", "gunner", "commander", "computer operator", I don't see "loader".

Gunner is loader

Why not Hydrogen engines? Why not autoloaders?

Autoloaders redu ce the crew by one. Thats one less guy to stand gaurd, help with the servicing.

An autoloader cant do another crewmans job if another crewman gets injured/sick.

Autoloaders are hopeless at operating pintle mounted machine guns.

Autoloaders typically ahve small eg 8-10 round mags that need replenishing frommte on board supply periodically.

Ie autoloaders have few benefits and many disadvantages.

So why are you canceling your entry? You can still develop a new tank while a war is going on... its been done before. (many times)

We are focusing our immediate R&D efforts in areas most immediately beneficial to us, as our homeland is being directly threatened.

HESH works great on APC's, though its useless against tanks.

HEAT was made useless by the original ERA, KE penetrators by 2nd gen ERA, and double charged crap by 3rd gen ERA.

PS:
Enjoy my upcoming tank destroyer

HESH is not completely ineffectiv e against tabks, especiallyolder pure stell armoured types.

So why are you canceling your entry? You can still develop a new tank while a war is going on... its been done before. (many times)

We are focusing our immediate R&D efforts in areas most immediately beneficial to us, as our homeland is being directly threatened. Aka R&P efforts :wink:


And auto loaders are SLOWER than regular loading

And hydorgen engine.... will blow up!!!!!

hehe

Anyway, i want you all to say thankyou to me, especially United Elias, for handtyping all on that from scratch.

And I hand to make the damn pic in paint :evil:

WANT A COOKIE?
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:tIZCBGtHqHgC:www.lepra.org.uk/cookie.gif

Bah you should Dled an evaluation copy of PSP, layers make cut and shunts of tank pics so much easier ;)

where do i get it?

And thanks for the cookie.

Try here: http://www.jasc.com/download_4.asp?prod=K-PSP8-USDIR and if you like go out and buy it, it is a fantastic peice of software (i haven't ried version 8 but version 7 is cool).

Try here: http://www.jasc.com/download_4.asp?prod=K-PSP8-USDIR and if you like go out and buy it, it is a fantastic peice of software (i haven't ried version 8 but version 7 is cool).

BUY IT :shock: :shock:

I would rather buy porn movies and pizza's!!!

Oh well, cut and paste it is.....

Well you do get a fairly decent trial peroid on it :)

I will wait until I am

A)Old enough as a nation
B) Can be bothered
C) Have a decent PC

Hello my friends. We're a little off topic aren't we. Has the T-7 Gilgamesh been considered for the contract?

Dark Terror and I have a small disagreal on ERA. I'll give some evidence prooving that Explosive Reactive Armor (an improvement on old tanks to make them better against HESH, an inferior round). Read this. Its TTK's message with the subject HESH vs. HEAT about a fourth of the way down or so.

Also I wouldn't worry to much about RPGs. If your tanks designed well it won't be effected by them, can detect them, and can destroy them.

Dark Terror: I was going to blame you for not reading the page and then realised that I was an idiot and didn't post it. Here: http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/yam.warpragmatics.hesh-vs-modern-armor.html
It should fully explain this little problem we've been having with HEAT, HESH, and Explosive Reactive Armor (which is put on old tanks to make HESH's, a now inferrior round, ineffective). Most modern tanks now have spacing which is the same effect. I urge anyone else who believes that ERA has any effect whatsoever on HEAT rounds to read it too.

Goddamn competition... oh well nothings as low profile and heavily armed as T-96:
http://www.military.cz/russia/armour/tanks/t94/t-94.jpg

ERA still good against ATGMs except the very modern ones which have precursor warheads...

I say again, we use A plastic composite, with diamond and titanium pigments.

This is stronger than ERA, and can stop most HEAT shells from damging the tank.

ERA still good against ATGMs except the very modern ones which have precursor warheads...
The newest Kaktus ERA can defeat double charged warheads.
And its installed on T-80U<4.

ERA still good against ATGMs except the very modern ones which have precursor warheads...


The newest Kaktus ERA can defeat double charged warheads.


And its installed on T-80U<4.



Hi Klamath.

ERA still good against ATGMs except the very modern ones which have precursor warheads...


The newest Kaktus ERA can defeat double charged warheads.


And its installed on T-80U<4.



Hi Klamath.
Im bisons! Not Klamath!
:lol:


Youre probably the only one in the forums not to know that....

Cant you just slap two ERA blocks on top of each other?

Ok

My new tank.

The FT-9 Medusa

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/FT-9.JPG

Is an upgraded T80 tank, with 150mm high velocity cannon. Uses many defense systems, and has many arnaments.

Max Speed: 35 mph
Range: 600km with no barrels, 800km with rear barrels full.
Height: 2.76 metres high
Length: 10.2 metres
Width: 4.2 metres
Weight: 52-59 metric tons
Clearance: 0.52 metres
Armor: Front: 1600mm
Side: 1200mm
Rear: 800mm
Crew: 3-4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Computer Operator (optional))
Engine: Diesel Engine Hyperbar V8 of power 1500 ch/DIN.
Obstical negotitation: Trench Width: 3.1m
Vertical Height: 1.1m
Maximum Gradient: 37 degrees

Arnament: Main Weapon: 1 150mm High Velocity Cannon
Secondary Weapons: 1 27mm 5 Barrel Chain Gun
1 27mm Single Barrel Cannon
4 ATGM Missile Mounts
Mounted Weapons: 1 Co-Axial Mounted .50 cal M2
8 40mm Smoke/HE grenade dispensers

Equipment: 2 Mounted Target Seeking ECM confusers
2 Mounted Chaff pods
1 Laser Guided Missile scrambler
1 Active Missile Jammer
4 NVG sights
Mounted 360 degree mini cameras
SHUD and FFE sockets
1 AAFCU-12X Fire Control Unit
1 FCICF-2X Incoming Fire System

Onboard Sights: Commander: 360 Degree mini camera unit
Gunner: 360 degree camera unit
AAFCU-19X Compact Fire Control Unit
AARFU-27X Laser/Radar Rangefinder
AAFCU-20X Automatic Aiming Computer
AAFCU-21X Enviroment Guage
Driver: 360 Degree Camera Unit
SHUD Unit
NVG/IR/Laser/Thermal viewing system

Navigation: Commander: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map ( :D )
Gunner: Digital Map system
Enviroment Visualisation Unit
Driver: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map

Radio: Complete circuit Communication Unit
FCXY Head Mounted Speech Unit
FCXT-5 Handheld radios

Other Equipment: Mine Clearing Equipment
4 Spades
1 Camo net
1 Extra Round container (optional) or
4 FC-57 Assault Rifles and 4 BPV vests


This is the pinnacle of our ground designs. It utilises all out latest technology, systems, programs and arnaments. Armed with a huge 150mm High Velocity gun that can cut through armor up to and beyond MBT thickness, with a variety of shells, like HEAT, Sabot, ATGM's and Canisters. Also armed with 4 ATGM systems of your choice, on mounts on the side of the tank. These missile are proppeled out by refillable compressed air jets, out up to 4 metres away, then they fire, sending the ATGM away. Also on it are several gun systems, including the GAU-15 27mm Chain Gun computer controlled system, that can shoot down helicopters, planes, incoming missiles, even smaller missiles with the help of the computer and ICF (Incoming Fire) Alert System. The front one can cover up to 95 degrees in either direction. It is also aided by the FFE (Friedly Fire Eliminater), a system that can detect transmitters mounted on friendly units, as not to shoot down Friendly Aircraft. The rear on is a Single Barreled 27mm Cannon System, that also can shoot down missiles and airborne enemies, but at less ammo consumption. This can be detached and replaced by a mortar, Stinger or even Small SAM system if needed. Mounted over the commanders compartment is a .50 cal machine gun, that can be replaced by a smaller LMG if needed.

The crew compartments are all quite spacious, but not stupidly so, adn allow for easy movement in a heated battle. Each one is fitted with a above head height flat screen monitors, which each display a different view of the battle, utilising the 9 Cameras placed all round the tanks turret. These cameras run a video through to the monitors, which display all areas over the battle field at a moments glance, without the need for a periscope. Thought these are installed anyway :) . A radio feed through helmet mounted transmitters monitor all things said by other crew members, and pas them through to the other 2/3. This allows for battlefield communication easily. Only 3 crew are really needed, but a fourth member, the computer manner, looks at the computer control units, assign targets to the twin guns, ECM defense systems, chaffs, jammers etc.

These defense systems include 2 ECM pods on the tanks sides, which target individual missiles to confuse. Chaff and flare pods are instlled, a laser warhead scrambler which transmits too many signals for the missile to comprehend, therefore shutting it down. A jammer is also installed, jamming all non friendly frequencies when turned on. NVG, IR, Laser and Thermal scopes are at every station, and can be attached to the 360 degree monitors, allowing for night and difficult conditions monitoring. The gunner uses an auto targetting system, and an auto aim system, which makes correction sin misaim, such as wind conditions, humidity adn obstacles.

Extra rounds can be held in a compartment near the gunner, but assault rifles for the crew can also be stored, as well as bullet proof vests. There is also plenty room for storage of camo nets etc.

All this adds up to a very, very good tank.

Hope you like it (and read all the text, none of it is made up. I JUST GODDAMN TYPED THAT OUT!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: ( :D ))

Ok

My new tank.

The FT-9 Medusa

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/FT-9.JPG

Is an upgraded T80 tank, with 150mm high velocity cannon. Uses many defense systems, and has many arnaments.

Max Speed: 35 mph
Range: 600km with no barrels, 800km with rear barrels full.
Height: 2.76 metres high
Length: 10.2 metres
Width: 4.2 metres
Weight: 52-59 metric tons
Clearance: 0.52 metres
Armor: Front: 1600mm
Side: 1200mm
Rear: 800mm
Crew: 3-4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Computer Operator (optional))
Engine: Diesel Engine Hyperbar V8 of power 1500 ch/DIN.
Obstical negotitation: Trench Width: 3.1m
Vertical Height: 1.1m
Maximum Gradient: 37 degrees

Arnament: Main Weapon: 1 150mm High Velocity Cannon
Secondary Weapons: 1 27mm 5 Barrel Chain Gun
1 27mm Single Barrel Cannon
4 ATGM Missile Mounts
Mounted Weapons: 1 Co-Axial Mounted .50 cal M2
8 40mm Smoke/HE grenade dispensers

Equipment: 2 Mounted Target Seeking ECM confusers
2 Mounted Chaff pods
1 Laser Guided Missile scrambler
1 Active Missile Jammer
4 NVG sights
Mounted 360 degree mini cameras
SHUD and FFE sockets
1 AAFCU-12X Fire Control Unit
1 FCICF-2X Incoming Fire System

Onboard Sights: Commander: 360 Degree mini camera unit
Gunner: 360 degree camera unit
AAFCU-19X Compact Fire Control Unit
AARFU-27X Laser/Radar Rangefinder
AAFCU-20X Automatic Aiming Computer
AAFCU-21X Enviroment Guage
Driver: 360 Degree Camera Unit
SHUD Unit
NVG/IR/Laser/Thermal viewing system

Navigation: Commander: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map ( :D )
Gunner: Digital Map system
Enviroment Visualisation Unit
Driver: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map

Radio: Complete circuit Communication Unit
FCXY Head Mounted Speech Unit
FCXT-5 Handheld radios

Other Equipment: Mine Clearing Equipment
4 Spades
1 Camo net
1 Extra Round container (optional) or
4 FC-57 Assault Rifles and 4 BPV vests


This is the pinnacle of our ground designs. It utilises all out latest technology, systems, programs and arnaments. Armed with a huge 150mm High Velocity gun that can cut through armor up to and beyond MBT thickness, with a variety of shells, like HEAT, Sabot, ATGM's and Canisters. Also armed with 4 ATGM systems of your choice, on mounts on the side of the tank. These missile are proppeled out by refillable compressed air jets, out up to 4 metres away, then they fire, sending the ATGM away. Also on it are several gun systems, including the GAU-15 27mm Chain Gun computer controlled system, that can shoot down helicopters, planes, incoming missiles, even smaller missiles with the help of the computer and ICF (Incoming Fire) Alert System. The front one can cover up to 95 degrees in either direction. It is also aided by the FFE (Friedly Fire Eliminater), a system that can detect transmitters mounted on friendly units, as not to shoot down Friendly Aircraft. The rear on is a Single Barreled 27mm Cannon System, that also can shoot down missiles and airborne enemies, but at less ammo consumption. This can be detached and replaced by a mortar, Stinger or even Small SAM system if needed. Mounted over the commanders compartment is a .50 cal machine gun, that can be replaced by a smaller LMG if needed.

The crew compartments are all quite spacious, but not stupidly so, adn allow for easy movement in a heated battle. Each one is fitted with a above head height flat screen monitors, which each display a different view of the battle, utilising the 9 Cameras placed all round the tanks turret. These cameras run a video through to the monitors, which display all areas over the battle field at a moments glance, without the need for a periscope. Thought these are installed anyway :) . A radio feed through helmet mounted transmitters monitor all things said by other crew members, and pas them through to the other 2/3. This allows for battlefield communication easily. Only 3 crew are really needed, but a fourth member, the computer manner, looks at the computer control units, assign targets to the twin guns, ECM defense systems, chaffs, jammers etc.

These defense systems include 2 ECM pods on the tanks sides, which target individual missiles to confuse. Chaff and flare pods are instlled, a laser warhead scrambler which transmits too many signals for the missile to comprehend, therefore shutting it down. A jammer is also installed, jamming all non friendly frequencies when turned on. NVG, IR, Laser and Thermal scopes are at every station, and can be attached to the 360 degree monitors, allowing for night and difficult conditions monitoring. The gunner uses an auto targetting system, and an auto aim system, which makes correction sin misaim, such as wind conditions, humidity adn obstacles.

Extra rounds can be held in a compartment near the gunner, but assault rifles for the crew can also be stored, as well as bullet proof vests. There is also plenty room for storage of camo nets etc.

All this adds up to a very, very good tank.

Hope you like it (and read all the text, none of it is made up. I JUST GODDAMN TYPED THAT OUT!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: ( :D ))


I just read everything you typed and it sounds like a reliable and useful tank. I am a weak country owner right now and need definate power. I am very wealthy and would love to buy this tank.

After the winner of this competition has been decided, I will launch the tank.

I plan to sell it in big orders only at first.

In case you didn't check the link I'll post her specs. There's a pic at my origional link.
_____________________________________________________________

T-7 Gilgamesh

Heavy Main Battle Tank

Designed by: Fisaw (Industrized Serfs), Crookfur, Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives), and Newer England

Produced by: Fisaw (Industrized LSerfs) and ETC Ammunition by Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives)

Weight: 70,600kg (155,320lbs.)

Crew: 2 (in front hull)

Performance: Speed: 70km/h, Range: 450km (60km on Hybrid Electric), Vertical Obstacle: 2.4m, Fording: 3.3m, Trench 4.1m.

Armor: Advanced coposite armor incorperating Chobham, Titanium Alloys, high strength ceramics, Tungsten and spacing, exact details are availble on request but effectiveness is rated at being closs (or greater than) 1500mm RHA.

Power systems: CFPW T451 Alcohol turbine with hybrid electric drive for silent running and low heat (for operations requiring more stealth or involving infantry), emergency and maintenance power.

Armament systems: Electro Thermal Chemical 155mm main gun at least 55 calibres long capable of launching most any rounds including HEAT, Sabots, Top Attacks, Missiles, and even canisters. Also a copper round developed by fisaw. Export version using a 25mm machine gun/grenade launcher on remotely operated mount. Missiles (2 SAMs for anti chopper and possible anti round and 2 recon vehicles likely remotely operated) which aren't fired by the main gun. Also a anti-infantry variant of explosive launcher.

Ammunition: 30 Main gun, 800 25mm MG and 800 GL

Rate of Fire: Main gun: 9rpm, MG/GL 350-600rpm (or semi auto).

Intelligence Systems: Radar/laser/microwave threat warning receivers with rapid resolution of incoming fire sources, fire detection radar and suppression system, a wide variety of views with a horizon view and IR/UV/Night vision views. As well as targeting views and emergency periscope views. Laser rangefinder and designator, target acquisition system (roughly 90% accurate), remote sensor coordination (2 remotely operated recon missiles).

Counter systems: Sensors for immediate detection of hits which aim all detectors, designators and weapons at the target which if isn't found is then scanned for. Also launches a recon missile in the general direction. If the targets found then triangulation (with lasers from the recon and tank) is used to quickly get a designator on the target. Works most effectively against direct fire but if not immediately producing a target it should eventually be found.
Jammers, active counter laser, dense particulate smoke rounds and discharger, anti-missile system using ball bearing packed explosives launched at direction of incoming threat from mount on turret, an anti-mine system also using the same ball bearing packed explosive system but located at the front of the hull and using a powerful detection system, anti-magnetic mine paint, multiple drone launch capability.

Survivability systems: NBC protection, unitary armored pod inside the crew’s section of the hull, blow away sections for ammo cases (which are mounted on the sides) that release pressure on ammo incase they blow up and if they do they explode upwards away from crew and engine. The same goes for our missile systems mounted slightly to the rear of the turret. Retractable (and detachable) armored skirts.

Tank systems: Computerized hydropneumatic 'dynamic' suspension, rail system to roll out engine for maintenance, cool air jets run into exhaust stream with a combination of air and liquid (water left and stored from alcohol engine) coolant, advanced fire control computer, fully stabilized gun mountings.


As for the price i belive we are looking at soemthing in the range of $8.5million or so

The result coming up fast....

Wait! Tommorow Ill have a tank destroyer destroyer armed with an electro-thermal 165mm gun:
http://aspc.cs.utt.ro/~karg/gfx_art/vehicles/rinohv_mare.jpg

Hopefully by friday I will have this same tank with an 150mm Electro-Thermal gun....

Hopefully by friday I will have this same tank with an 150mm Electro-Thermal gun....
GET YOUR OWN PIC!

My tank destroyer will have 2 ET 135mm guns... also comes out tommorow.

Not the tank...

My tank, but with an ET cannon.

Not the tank...

My tank, but with an ET cannon.
Oh.


Or I could develop the P-1800 RAtte, give it ERA, and voila.



2 11" guns, 17,500 HP engne. ANy querstions?

Sorry to bash yer tanks fellas but I don't think any tank destroyer would really fit such a requirement of so many BTs. Yes a 1700hp engine would be sufficeint for an underarmored tank with low weight. Plus a 165mm main gun is likely going to bring the weight way up anyway. So questions, why should he spend money on an underarmored tank (or severely underpowered in the other case)?, and why would it need a 165mm main gun (maybe a mortar of some sort as a demolition gun)?, and do you seriously feel that any tank destroyer can fill the role of a battle tank?

To comment on some ideas floating around on this thread I'll say autoloaders are superb. If you decrease your crew then you decrease armor thickness needed to protect them (complicated but I don't feel like explaining) and surface area increases (hit probability). More importantly its another valuable resource spent (tank crewman) which is another person to train and to have to make accomodations for within the tank. Not to mention increased rate of fire which can give you a kill after you survive a nasty shot from an enemy before they get another in (in the case of my armored beast).

Also I've found info which points that ERA if not very properly applied can blow a huge hole in the hull and become very inefective. Also HEAT relies on not only the explosive force but on a penetrator rod. This is what is going to disable your tank. ERA armor (if you are right about the fact that it uses a counter explosive force) in no way makes the tank at all imune to HEAT but may damage the penetrator rod (at best) which would cause its energy to become more distributed and have less penetrative force. It isn't as effective (to my understanding) against APFSDS rounds. Good against good old HESH though (die you T54).

Ok 17,500hp. That just makes no sense. I'll asume that you meant 1750hp then.

What's wrong with a 17500hp engine (just in case you meant that litterally) is that it would be too hot to have crew in it and might even melt a good percentage of the tank. Plus that's a huge engine to fit in a tank. It'd be heavy too (bog down a lot).

Kontakt-5 can withstand KE penetrators, as well as HEAT rounds. And that was 2nd gen ERA, Im using 3rd gen kaktus ERA which can withstand double-charged missiles.

he Kontakt 5 and following russian ERA's are uncommon,
particulary from the western way of thinking armoured vehicules protection, because it is made of a sandwich of explosive between two very strong hardened stell plates ( far more heavier than those used in western ERAs where sometimes it is just a "box", the main effect is supposed to be achieved by the explosive blast - most against HEAT than solid penetrators -).

When hitted by a HEAT blast or a solid penetrator, the explosive ignites, creating a very fast move of the front and rear steel plates, one plate upward and another plate downward, the external plate also moving away from the rear on in direction of the the threat.
This is what's is usefull against solid penetrators like APFSDS rounds, because that move of the two strong hardened steel plates break the penetrator in at least two parts, destabilize its fragments.

The penetrator do not retain enough energy as it lost a great part of its mass to penetrate the armoured vehicule own body armour, plus the deviated trajectory.

US army tested Kontakt 5 ERA some years ago, thought that it was very effective.

It seems that the russians got a real advance in AFVs and MBTs protection ( and there is also the drozd and arena systems on others means, the " sandwich " protection of front T-72B turrets or the composite of steels and fiberglass of the T-80 hull fronts ), as they could realise an ERA brick that ignites with effectivness for both with HEAT and solid penetrators but quiet enough to resist the battlefiel stress and various less lethal agressions, this is actually were westerners got problems. And realising a so " scissor " effect is not effectively driven neither. That is why western ERAs are primarily intended against HEAT rounds, in front of high hardeness materials.

Also, it seems that the kontakt 5 ERA found a fine compromise beetween plates thickness, plates slope and theyr move speed ( scissor effect ) after powder ignition to allow effectivness against those two different threats HEAT ( high speed 8000 meters per second high diameter short dart ) and solid penetrators ( 1700/1800 mps small diameter and long body ).




........
KAKTUS was the next 3rd Generation ERA, & was developed as a response to the M829A2, DM43A1 APFSDS rounds, & to defeat tandem warheads, EFPs, top attack ATGMs etc. KAKTUS also reportedly improves KE resistance beyond KONTAKT-5's, as well as allowing more plate coverage of the turret & glacis, then KONTAKT-5.


And since theres such a thing called anti HEAT armor which I can just use, this is pretty pointless.

Oh, and on T-80U Kontakt-5 gives the equivelant of 1300mm anti HEAT protection.

http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/article/article.m1a2-vs-t90.13.stats-on-armor-and-KE.txt

Oh gee... The M829A1 can't penetrate the frontal armor of a T-80U, but it can
kill a T-72G at about 8 km. Pitance that the guy who designed Air-Land battle
doctrine, General Don Starry, says the same thing I do about the balance of
technology.


Scroll down a bit.

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Hi Klamath.


Im bisons! Not Klamath!


:lol:






Youre probably the only one in the forums not to know that....



There is a difference?

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Hi Klamath.


Im bisons! Not Klamath!


:lol:






Youre probably the only one in the forums not to know that....



There is a difference?
What, you really think Im klamath?

Heres my new T-80UM5...
T-80UM5:
A further development of the T-80UM4, with an electro-thermal 135mm gun and a coaxial 40mm autocannon for killing APC's. It is pretty much immune to anything fired from 2km or farther away, and is protected from tandem warheads due to kaktus ERA. Improvements over T-80UM4, and the Shtora-2 jamming system. include a coaxial 40mm autocannon, and an electro-thermal 135mm gun.
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u(3).jpg
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u(4).jpg

The T-80UM5 armament includes an electro-thermal 135mm gun, stabilized in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. It hits with the force of a 155mm gun, and can destroy an M1A2 at 4km. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuses.

The 135mm gun can also fire the AT-17 Slicer anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100 - 6,000 m and takes 14.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 7 km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 28.4 kg. The guns 15 rpm automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.

A 40mm 2A76 autocannon has been installed to allow quick engagement of other armored fighting vehicles. Ammunition load is 500 AP (Armour-Piercing) or HE-FRAG rounds. Rate of fire is more than 300 rounds/min and range is 1,500 to 2,000m.

There are 12 Kornet ATGM's towards the rear of the turret. Kornet is a laser guided ATGM with a range of over 5km that easily penetrates the amror of the M1A2 or similar tanks with its 1200mm penetration.

Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62 mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7 mm air defense machine gun. A 5.45 mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.

Armor:

The T-80UM5 tank is protected by both 2nd generation CHobham armor and 3rd generation ERA (kaktus). THis allows it to absorb hits from 120 or 125mm guns, as well as from a good deal of missiles. Kaktus also protects it from double charged HEAT rounds.

The T-80UM5 is fitted with the Shtora-2. This system includes infrared jammer, laser jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerized control system.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.

T-80UM5 is fitted with Arena.

The Bisonic ARENA system, the first available DAS-system, was analysed by TNO-PML in collaboration with TNO-FEL. This systems detects an incoming anti-tank missile and reacts by throwing a cassette containing explosives and fragments towards the missile. Upon detonation of the cassette, the fragments interact with the missile, such that its effectiveness decreases substantially.

Both testings of the effectiveness of the fragments and computer simulation of the suite of events- detection, intercept and residual penetration capability- were performed. This resulted in an assessment of the increased survivability of the vehicle equipped with ARENA. The same analyses also gave an idea of the decrease of performance of the anti-tank missile.

The Arena system is switched on/off from the commander's control console. Once Arena is switched on, all subsequent operations are performed automatically. Apart from the basic automatic mode of operation, exceptionally, the commander can control the system manually, for example, when it is necessary to destroy obstacles or for close-in protection against infantry.

Arena provides protection for a moving or stationary tank in any weather and in any combat environment, irrespective of the angle of impact of the enemy's weapons. The data-processing radars and sights feature a high level of noise immunity. They do not respond to false and random signals, and come into action only in situations where there is a serious threat to the tank or when a weapon fired by the enemy is heading directly towards the tank.



It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.

Propulsion:
The T-80UM5 has a 1400 hp turbocharged engine. This engine can be fuelled by T-2 or TS-1 kerosene and A-72 benzine, in addition to diesel. The tank can carry up to 1,600 litres of fuel in the main fuel tanks and fuel drums. The fuel tanks are reinforced with armor plating.
The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 5 metres of water with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes.
The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.

Fire Control: The gunner's 1A43 day FCS comprises: 1G46 day sight/rangefinder with missile guidance channel, 2E42-4 armament stabilizer, 1V528 ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge.
The commander's PNK-4S sight includes a TKN-4S (Agat-S) day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m (day) and 700 m (night).
The driver is equipped with a TVN-5 infrared night viewer.

The new fire control system includes very advanced features including the capability to acquire and lock onto moving targets, even airborne helicopters, while the tank itself is on the move.

The computer controlled fire control system includes line of sight stabilisation in two axes, a second-generation television sight and automatic thermal target tracker, a laser range finder, an improved thermal night vision system and a dynamic cant angle indicator. The commander's station is fitted with a stabilised panoramic day and night sight. The integrated operating system includes advanced data communications and battle management. Tadiran developed the T-80UM4's communications system, the inter communication system and the VRC 120 vehicular transceiver radio with embedded auxiliary receivers.
A T-80UM5 costs $6.5 mil, $6 mil for TGP or NCA members.




KV-165 tan destroyer comes out later today... I wont be beaten!

How does ET work?

It basically uses an advanced propellant to increase lethality. There's a document buried somewhere on FAS which describes ETC and ET cannons.

Ok

My new tank.

The FT-9 Medusa

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/FT-9.JPG

Is an upgraded T80 tank, with 150mm high velocity cannon. Uses many defense systems, and has many arnaments.

Max Speed: 35 mph
Range: 600km with no barrels, 800km with rear barrels full.
Height: 2.76 metres high
Length: 10.2 metres
Width: 4.2 metres
Weight: 52-59 metric tons
Clearance: 0.52 metres
Armor: Front: 1600mm
Side: 1200mm
Rear: 800mm
Crew: 3-4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Computer Operator (optional))
Engine: Diesel Engine Hyperbar V8 of power 1500 ch/DIN.
Obstical negotitation: Trench Width: 3.1m
Vertical Height: 1.1m
Maximum Gradient: 37 degrees

Arnament: Main Weapon: 1 150mm High Velocity Cannon
Secondary Weapons: 1 27mm 5 Barrel Chain Gun
1 27mm Single Barrel Cannon
4 ATGM Missile Mounts
Mounted Weapons: 1 Co-Axial Mounted .50 cal M2
8 40mm Smoke/HE grenade dispensers

Equipment: 2 Mounted Target Seeking ECM confusers
2 Mounted Chaff pods
1 Laser Guided Missile scrambler
1 Active Missile Jammer
4 NVG sights
Mounted 360 degree mini cameras
SHUD and FFE sockets
1 AAFCU-12X Fire Control Unit
1 FCICF-2X Incoming Fire System

Onboard Sights: Commander: 360 Degree mini camera unit
Gunner: 360 degree camera unit
AAFCU-19X Compact Fire Control Unit
AARFU-27X Laser/Radar Rangefinder
AAFCU-20X Automatic Aiming Computer
AAFCU-21X Enviroment Guage
Driver: 360 Degree Camera Unit
SHUD Unit
NVG/IR/Laser/Thermal viewing system

Navigation: Commander: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map ( :D )
Gunner: Digital Map system
Enviroment Visualisation Unit
Driver: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map

Radio: Complete circuit Communication Unit
FCXY Head Mounted Speech Unit
FCXT-5 Handheld radios

Other Equipment: Mine Clearing Equipment
4 Spades
1 Camo net
1 Extra Round container (optional) or
4 FC-57 Assault Rifles and 4 BPV vests


This is the pinnacle of our ground designs. It utilises all out latest technology, systems, programs and arnaments. Armed with a huge 150mm High Velocity gun that can cut through armor up to and beyond MBT thickness, with a variety of shells, like HEAT, Sabot, ATGM's and Canisters. Also armed with 4 ATGM systems of your choice, on mounts on the side of the tank. These missile are proppeled out by refillable compressed air jets, out up to 4 metres away, then they fire, sending the ATGM away. Also on it are several gun systems, including the GAU-15 27mm Chain Gun computer controlled system, that can shoot down helicopters, planes, incoming missiles, even smaller missiles with the help of the computer and ICF (Incoming Fire) Alert System. The front one can cover up to 95 degrees in either direction. It is also aided by the FFE (Friedly Fire Eliminater), a system that can detect transmitters mounted on friendly units, as not to shoot down Friendly Aircraft. The rear on is a Single Barreled 27mm Cannon System, that also can shoot down missiles and airborne enemies, but at less ammo consumption. This can be detached and replaced by a mortar, Stinger or even Small SAM system if needed. Mounted over the commanders compartment is a .50 cal machine gun, that can be replaced by a smaller LMG if needed.

The crew compartments are all quite spacious, but not stupidly so, adn allow for easy movement in a heated battle. Each one is fitted with a above head height flat screen monitors, which each display a different view of the battle, utilising the 9 Cameras placed all round the tanks turret. These cameras run a video through to the monitors, which display all areas over the battle field at a moments glance, without the need for a periscope. Thought these are installed anyway :) . A radio feed through helmet mounted transmitters monitor all things said by other crew members, and pas them through to the other 2/3. This allows for battlefield communication easily. Only 3 crew are really needed, but a fourth member, the computer manner, looks at the computer control units, assign targets to the twin guns, ECM defense systems, chaffs, jammers etc.

These defense systems include 2 ECM pods on the tanks sides, which target individual missiles to confuse. Chaff and flare pods are instlled, a laser warhead scrambler which transmits too many signals for the missile to comprehend, therefore shutting it down. A jammer is also installed, jamming all non friendly frequencies when turned on. NVG, IR, Laser and Thermal scopes are at every station, and can be attached to the 360 degree monitors, allowing for night and difficult conditions monitoring. The gunner uses an auto targetting system, and an auto aim system, which makes correction sin misaim, such as wind conditions, humidity adn obstacles.

Extra rounds can be held in a compartment near the gunner, but assault rifles for the crew can also be stored, as well as bullet proof vests. There is also plenty room for storage of camo nets etc.

All this adds up to a very, very good tank.

Hope you like it (and read all the text, none of it is made up. I JUST GODDAMN TYPED THAT OUT!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: ( :D ))
My TR-2000-A3 is lighter, faster, more heavily armoured, and i think it has a longer range.

Ill call it T-80-UM4E, though it has a higher profile because I cant put a crewless turret on it. Dont worry kaktus-1 ERA can defeat KE penetrators, RPG's simply bounce off it, and it can withstand a hit from an"infantry ATGM" [assuming it doesnt get jammed or destroyed].

:D

can i have 10000 FT-9 Medusa

The FT-9A2 Medusa

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/untitled.JPG

Is an upgraded T80 tank, with 135mm Electro-Thermal gun cannon. Uses many defense systems, and has many arnaments.

Max Speed: 35 mph
Range: 600km with no barrels, 800km with rear barrels full.
Height: 2.76 metres high
Length: 10.2 metres
Width: 4.2 metres
Weight: 52-59 metric tons
Clearance: 0.52 metres
Armor: Front: 1600mm
Side: 1200mm
Rear: 800mm
Crew: 3-4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Computer Operator (optional))
Engine: Diesel Engine Hyperbar V8 of power 1500 ch/DIN.
Obstical negotitation: Trench Width: 3.1m
Vertical Height: 1.1m
Maximum Gradient: 37 degrees

Arnament: Main Weapon: 1 135mm Electro Thermal Cannon
Secondary Weapons: 1 27mm 5 Barrel Chain Gun
1 27mm Single Barrel Cannon
4 ATGM Missile Mounts
Mounted Weapons: 1 Co-Axial Mounted .50 cal M2
8 40mm Smoke/HE grenade dispensers

Equipment: 2 Mounted Target Seeking ECM confusers
2 Mounted Chaff pods
1 Laser Guided Missile scrambler
1 Active Missile Jammer
4 NVG sights
Mounted 360 degree mini cameras
SHUD and FFE sockets
1 AAFCU-12X Fire Control Unit
1 FCICF-2X Incoming Fire System

Onboard Sights: Commander: 360 Degree mini camera unit
Gunner: 360 degree camera unit
AAFCU-19X Compact Fire Control Unit
AARFU-27X Laser/Radar Rangefinder
AAFCU-20X Automatic Aiming Computer
AAFCU-21X Enviroment Guage
Driver: 360 Degree Camera Unit
SHUD Unit
NVG/IR/Laser/Thermal viewing system

Navigation: Commander: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map ( )
Gunner: Digital Map system
Enviroment Visualisation Unit
Driver: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map

Radio: Complete circuit Communication Unit
FCXY Head Mounted Speech Unit
FCXT-5 Handheld radios

Other Equipment: Mine Clearing Equipment
4 Spades
1 Camo net
1 Extra Round container (optional) or
4 FC-57 Assault Rifles and 4 BPV vests


This is the pinnacle of our ground designs. It utilises all out latest technology, systems, programs and arnaments. Armed with a huge 135mm ET gun that can cut through armor up to and beyond MBT thickness, with a variety of shells, like HEAT, Sabot, ATGM's and Canisters. Also armed with 4 ATGM systems of your choice, on mounts on the side of the tank. These missile are proppeled out by refillable compressed air jets, out up to 4 metres away, then they fire, sending the ATGM away. Also on it are several gun systems, including the GAU-15 27mm Chain Gun computer controlled system, that can shoot down helicopters, planes, incoming missiles, even smaller missiles with the help of the computer and ICF (Incoming Fire) Alert System. The front one can cover up to 95 degrees in either direction. It is also aided by the FFE (Friedly Fire Eliminater), a system that can detect transmitters mounted on friendly units, as not to shoot down Friendly Aircraft. The rear on is a Single Barreled 27mm Cannon System, that also can shoot down missiles and airborne enemies, but at less ammo consumption. This can be detached and replaced by a mortar, Stinger or even Small SAM system if needed. Mounted over the commanders compartment is a .50 cal machine gun, that can be replaced by a smaller LMG if needed.

The crew compartments are all quite spacious, but not stupidly so, adn allow for easy movement in a heated battle. Each one is fitted with a above head height flat screen monitors, which each display a different view of the battle, utilising the 9 Cameras placed all round the tanks turret. These cameras run a video through to the monitors, which display all areas over the battle field at a moments glance, without the need for a periscope. Thought these are installed anyway . A radio feed through helmet mounted transmitters monitor all things said by other crew members, and pas them through to the other 2/3. This allows for battlefield communication easily. Only 3 crew are really needed, but a fourth member, the computer manner, looks at the computer control units, assign targets to the twin guns, ECM defense systems, chaffs, jammers etc.

These defense systems include 2 ECM pods on the tanks sides, which target individual missiles to confuse. Chaff and flare pods are instlled, a laser warhead scrambler which transmits too many signals for the missile to comprehend, therefore shutting it down. A jammer is also installed, jamming all non friendly frequencies when turned on. NVG, IR, Laser and Thermal scopes are at every station, and can be attached to the 360 degree monitors, allowing for night and difficult conditions monitoring. The gunner uses an auto targetting system, and an auto aim system, which makes correction sin misaim, such as wind conditions, humidity adn obstacles.

Extra rounds can be held in a compartment near the gunner, but assault rifles for the crew can also be stored, as well as bullet proof vests. There is also plenty room for storage of camo nets etc.

All this adds up to a very, very good tank.

(ET CANNON INSTALLED!!!!)

T-80UM5 has 3 times as much ATGM's, a lower profile, and oh yeah its ATGM's can be replaced by Igla or Stinger SAms for shooting stuff down.

You're tanks are good but you need a new design. Adopt the crewless turret from the T-95

You're tanks are good but you need a new design. Adopt the crewless turret from the T-95
The version I use has a crewless turret like Black Eagle, but he doesnt want autoloaders.

If I use the crewless turret, I cant fit on the Chain Gun and .50 cal on.

And by god, ATGM's aint everything.

Mine can carry 4, and desnt need more.

If I use the crewless turret, I cant fit on the Chain Gun and .50 cal on.

And by god, ATGM's aint everything.

Mine can carry 4, and desnt need more.
I can because its coaxial. And more powerful- its designed to kill APC's, mostr of which can withstand rounds of up to 30mm caliber.

27mm AP can pierce APC's easy, thats why they are there.

No problems there.

27mm AP can pierce APC's easy, thats why they are there.

No problems there.
Bradley can survive hits from AP 30mm shells. So can BMP-3 and prolly BMP-2.

Yeh, but not my NS shells.

And the rear cannon is 37mm shelss.

And with the rate of fire of the chain gun, no APC stands a chance without being wasted when a bullet hits a weak spot.

Yeh, but not my NS shells.

And the rear cannon is 37mm shelss.

And with the rate of fire of the chain gun, no APC stands a chance without being wasted when a bullet hits a weak spot.
Unless you have some ET chaingun, bradley and BMP-3 need not worry.

Super gases.

Compressed for extra velocity

Super gases.

Compressed for extra velocity
Super gasses?

In the rounds

Or do you want gunpowder?

In the rounds

Or do you want gunpowder?
Forgive my probable ignorance, but how do rounds filled with super gasses have an effect?

Extra compression, extra velocity.

Or some other shit.....

Just believe me, lol

Lol.

Oh well 40mm rounds can destroy APC's with or without mysterious super gases.

hehe

The front gun has a huge rate of fire, and is really there for anti missile purposes.

Great to be able to swat missiles out the way the old fashioned way, withut this electronic shit.

the ammo for all those guns would make that thing sluggish, not to mention bieng a powderkeg. Just aim for the ammo storage of the chain guns.

the ammo for all those guns would make that thing sluggish, not to mention bieng a powderkeg. Just aim for the ammo storage of the chain guns.
Yep, RPG-7 can detonate it.

Then, tanky go BOOM.

Merkava 4R

The Merkava 4R (for rimabuld (well duh!))

The standard MBT of the Rimbauld armed forces.

The design has been licensed from Israel and modified to suit Rimbauld doctrine and to fied Rimbauld improvements.


The rear of the turrent is taken up buy a cannon/sensor pod mounted on a fully remote control, indpendant traverse and elveation tilting/extendable mast.

The pod folds down the centreline of the turrent when retracted.

Sensors includee millimetre wave radar, FLIR , Day/Night TV, laser rangefinder/designator.

This pod gives the merkava4R a capability to perform surveilanvce while under/behind cover, as well as a capability to engagne LAFVs, soft vehilce, infantry independatly of the main armanent.


The Merkava4R is fitted with the folowing subssytems:
* stabilised in 2 axis
* digital fire conrtrol system capable and proven against low flying aircraft
extremely high hit porbablity on ground vehicle to all ranges.
* all round visibility via 4 camera Vectop system.
(better situational awareness - allows dirver to drive to reer with
minimal or no creww commander assistance.
* NBC overpressure and filtration system
* Individual cooling systems and NBC systems
* Laser threat receiver
* IFF
* The auto loader has been removed and repalced by a far
more useful loader.
* LAHAT missile qualified.
* 60mm mortar is retainted for anti infantry use , smoke and illumination.
* Modular armour system makes battlefied repair easy and allows for up
armouring without extensive hull/turret reworking.
* Powered by a Continental Diesel engine capable of
developing over 1500 HP with electronic engine management system.
* Hydro Pneumatic suspension
* Has modern freq hopping radios.
* up to 3 channels of comms simultaneously
* Digital battle managment C3I2 system
* Digital automotive/mechanical systems montioring
(monitors temperatures, fluid levels, vibration levels and harmonics etc
to aid in the assesment of wear and impending failure etc.)
* Detachable modular armoured fuel cells make for fast resups.fitted to
rear of vehicle
* Rear troop door widened to accept modular main amarnent ammo cells
for faster resup.
* diesel generator is fitted to charge batteries without running main
power plant (can be dismounted and run remotely)


Also an ATGW missile variant.

Mounted with cannon/sensor pod and a cadillac cage 1 metre turrent with .50 cal MG only (no man gun turret)
The rear space is modified to accept a 18 cell vertical launch Hellfire missile magazine.
Vehicle is crewed by crew commander, guner and driver.
The rewcomander has tje CG turrent above his position. The gunner sits next to the commander with hjis own hatch and a flex 7.62m mg.
The gunners positon has the primary controls for the sensor/canon pod.

Rimbauld issues them 2 per company.
These are usually sighted on the rear slope of a position and the missiles are guided via designators on tanks of the forward slopes.

ARV version available.

I can make a Merkava Mk6 with the T-80UM5's armament.... and ERA plus ARENA and Shtora-2.

sounds good.

Shouldnt the wiiner have been announced yet?

the ammo for all those guns would make that thing sluggish, not to mention bieng a powderkeg. Just aim for the ammo storage of the chain guns.
Yep, RPG-7 can detonate it.

Then, tanky go BOOM.

Not really.

Do you really think I would leave the ammo out in the open?

No, it would be consealed qithin 1500mm of armor :D

the ammo for all those guns would make that thing sluggish, not to mention bieng a powderkeg. Just aim for the ammo storage of the chain guns.
Yep, RPG-7 can detonate it.

Then, tanky go BOOM.

Not really.

Do you really think I would leave the ammo out in the open?

No, it would be consealed qithin 1500mm of armor :D
1500mm of armor?!

1000mm at the rear, 1500mm at the sides, 2000mm at the front.

The main armor, then through more metal, and a couple of layers of stuff, then ammo.

Detonates, me thinks not.

1000mm at the rear, 1500mm at the sides, 2000mm at the front.

The main armor, then through more metal, and a couple of layers of stuff, then ammo.

Detonates, me thinks not.
2000mm of armor? WTF? Abrams has 800mm.... this thing must be damn slow.


I can penetrate it at 1.5km.... or call in an airstrike on the behemoth.

Ok

I will change it.

1200mm of armor at the front.
800 sides
600 back.

Remeber the ammo is deep inside the tank.

Much better... you can have 1400 frontal I guess but the more armor, the more weight, the less speed.

Yeh

But the tank aint that speedy at the moment anyway.

And with modern aiming systems and ammunition, speed isnt as important as it was.

We will post specifications later today (saturday) to meet with your requirements as we are slightly modifying our current export variant of the AMG-102 Eradicator MBT.

In case you didn't check the link I'll post her specs. There's a pic at my origional link.
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T-7 Gilgamesh

Heavy Main Battle Tank

Designed by: Fisaw (Industrized Serfs), Crookfur, Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives), and Newer England

Produced by: Fisaw (Industrized LSerfs) and ETC Ammunition by Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives)

Weight: 70,600kg (155,320lbs.)

Crew: 2 (in front hull)

Performance: Speed: 70km/h, Range: 450km (60km on Hybrid Electric), Vertical Obstacle: 2.4m, Fording: 3.3m, Trench 4.1m.

Armor: Advanced coposite armor incorperating Chobham, Titanium Alloys, high strength ceramics, Tungsten and spacing, exact details are availble on request but effectiveness is rated at being closs (or greater than) 1500mm RHA.

Power systems: CFPW T451 Alcohol turbine with hybrid electric drive for silent running and low heat (for operations requiring more stealth or involving infantry), emergency and maintenance power.

Armament systems: Electro Thermal Chemical 155mm main gun at least 55 calibres long capable of launching most any rounds including HEAT, Sabots, Top Attacks, Missiles, and even canisters. Also a copper round developed by fisaw. Export version using a 25mm machine gun/grenade launcher on remotely operated mount. Missiles (2 SAMs for anti chopper and possible anti round and 2 recon vehicles likely remotely operated) which aren't fired by the main gun. Also a anti-infantry variant of explosive launcher.

Ammunition: 30 Main gun, 800 25mm MG and 800 GL

Rate of Fire: Main gun: 9rpm, MG/GL 350-600rpm (or semi auto).

Intelligence Systems: Radar/laser/microwave threat warning receivers with rapid resolution of incoming fire sources, fire detection radar and suppression system, a wide variety of views with a horizon view and IR/UV/Night vision views. As well as targeting views and emergency periscope views. Laser rangefinder and designator, target acquisition system (roughly 90% accurate), remote sensor coordination (2 remotely operated recon missiles).

Counter systems: Sensors for immediate detection of hits which aim all detectors, designators and weapons at the target which if isn't found is then scanned for. Also launches a recon missile in the general direction. If the targets found then triangulation (with lasers from the recon and tank) is used to quickly get a designator on the target. Works most effectively against direct fire but if not immediately producing a target it should eventually be found.
Jammers, active counter laser, dense particulate smoke rounds and discharger, anti-missile system using ball bearing packed explosives launched at direction of incoming threat from mount on turret, an anti-mine system also using the same ball bearing packed explosive system but located at the front of the hull and using a powerful detection system, anti-magnetic mine paint, multiple drone launch capability.

Survivability systems: NBC protection, unitary armored pod inside the crew’s section of the hull, blow away sections for ammo cases (which are mounted on the sides) that release pressure on ammo incase they blow up and if they do they explode upwards away from crew and engine. The same goes for our missile systems mounted slightly to the rear of the turret. Retractable (and detachable) armored skirts.

Tank systems: Computerized hydropneumatic 'dynamic' suspension, rail system to roll out engine for maintenance, cool air jets run into exhaust stream with a combination of air and liquid (water left and stored from alcohol engine) coolant, advanced fire control computer, fully stabilized gun mountings.


As for the price i belive we are looking at soemthing in the range of $8.5million or so

It has come to my mind that many of you know little about tanks. First off I'll say that tank armor increases weight yes but is nothing that can't be overcome by a more powerful engine. Note how the Abrams is much heavier than the Panzer 1 of WW2 yet is somehow faster. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge (its the more powerful engine). Now take my tank. I have 950mm of advanced armor using tungsten, high strength ceramics, titanium alloys (lighter and cheaper than RHA), and Chobham (all designed for supreme effectiveness giving it far better performance than you guys would think when hearing 950mm of armor). There are also 500mm in total spacers (even they have advanced design) so that HESH's suck against them. This 950mm is in the glacis which is the front hull and turret (write it down). I can give more details to those inturested in a purchase (we'll do one of those half now half later deals so no fools will steal the design). Also those gas rounds are actually liquid propellant as opposed to the solid in most shells. It was going to be used in some US project where instead of having the propellant in a shell it puts it into a chamber in which they react to propell the round.

Yes but abrams has a pretty damn big profile... and big engine= gas guzzler. Nobody RP's logistcs, but....

Oh yeah, and Abrams has only 800mm of armor.

Au contraire, I try to RP logistics (thus my participation in the thread What Logistics Is) but the Abrams is a gas-guzzling, relatively high-profle tank. It is still an excellent piece of armor, but its excellence lies in the fact that it is very very good at everything while excelling in very few. Its biggest detractor is that it is not designed to support infantry. I have stood behind one at 100 meters and still felt the heat from the turbine which was simply a political decision.

As for armor meaning added weight, Hole, you are right and yes you can offset it with a more powerful engine but usually that also weighs in on fuel consumption. We'll see what they all offer. By the way, your armor is much like mine where it is advanced but not so thick as to substantially increase weight ratios.

Yea cause its on gasoline and a turbine (gets really hot). 800mm of armor is a lot considering they use Chobham.

Au contraire, I try to RP logistics (thus my participation in the thread What Logistics Is) but the Abrams is a gas-guzzling, relatively high-profle tank. It is still an excellent piece of armor, but its excellence lies in the fact that it is very very good at everything while excelling in very few. Its biggest detractor is that it is not designed to support infantry. I have stood behind one at 100 meters and still felt the heat from the turbine which was simply a political decision.

As for armor meaning added weight, Hole, you are right and yes you can offset it with a more powerful engine but usually that also weighs in on fuel consumption. We'll see what they all offer. By the way, your armor is much like mine where it is advanced but not so thick as to substantially increase weight ratios.
And oh yeah Abrams weighs 70 tons compared to the T-90's 45 tons... but it cant penetrate the T-90's frontal armor.

Au contraire, I try to RP logistics (thus my participation in the thread What Logistics Is) but the Abrams is a gas-guzzling, relatively high-profle tank. It is still an excellent piece of armor, but its excellence lies in the fact that it is very very good at everything while excelling in very few. Its biggest detractor is that it is not designed to support infantry. I have stood behind one at 100 meters and still felt the heat from the turbine which was simply a political decision.

As for armor meaning added weight, Hole, you are right and yes you can offset it with a more powerful engine but usually that also weighs in on fuel consumption. We'll see what they all offer. By the way, your armor is much like mine where it is advanced but not so thick as to substantially increase weight ratios.
And oh yeah Abrams weighs 70 tons compared to the T-90's 45 tons... but it cant penetrate the T-90's frontal armor.

I was supporting your argument...or trying to...

What were you doing 100m behind an Abrams? Anyway I wouldn't say that's its greatest disadvantage. It's engine does suck a bit (cause of inefficeincy and heat). I don't know maybe. Deployability is something which must be taken into account too. Range, weight, etc.

What were you doing 100m behind an Abrams? Anyway I wouldn't say that's its greatest disadvantage. It's engine does suck a bit (cause of inefficeincy and heat). I don't know maybe. Deployability is something which must be taken into account too. Range, weight, etc.
Why do you think the US is getting some cannon fodderish wheeled APC's for rapid deployment?

Ha... ha... ha... I was wondering how ERA could be this effective against HEAT while not completely trouncing the west's main guns. If there is a solution to HEAT as simple as a explosive aplication to any tank then well all tanks would be obsolete. Its not like it is new technology either. Finally found a link proving ERA isn't as supremely effective as it seems. First off I want to say that I found that this Russian heavy ERA (starts with a K) only increases effective armor by about 161% (not bad but still won't stand up to next gen main guns using ETC, liquid propellants and high calibre, high pressure) unless you totally beaf it up. Anyway here's the link which quickly and easily defeats ERA. It's also very simple. Well enough said, here we go (and yes Dark Terror it is from the same site, it's pretty sweat for MBT resources): http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/tanks/tanks.problems-with-era.3C8C1185.A8A1B46A@nb.sympatico.ca.txt

America has ALWAYS had slow tank development...they mostly leech off other ideas. The place where the USA is the best at would probably be the Navy

Or the airforce, or infantry....

Or the airforce, or infantry....

No, the infantry leaves a lot to be desired... most other militaries have a better basic infantry force than the common US groundpounder. The Marine infantry, however, is some of the best in the world (notice I say some). As for the Air Force... it is considered one of the best in the world but, as usual, the military is deciding to go with the lowest bidder on the new aircraft purchases and thus going with the inferior F-22 over the F-23. Aerodynamically speaking, both the S-37 berkut and the MiG-45 outperform the F-22 and the F-23 (although there is less of a gulf between the F-23 and the two Russian birds). Electronically speaking, they Russian planes are, however, inferior. If you ask me (which no one does), the perfect system would incorporate Russian airframes and western electronics/radar.


What were you doing 100m behind an Abrams?

Trying to get away from the Abrams, lol. We were moving up in support of the push into an Iraqi town (I call in air strikes) and a platoon of tanks decided to crash our section of the party and just drove laterally across the battlefield, weapons trained to the right. We passed behind them about 100m to the rear but as we were moving slowly, we got a nice little turbine wash from the tanks.

A tank is still designed, in essence, to support the infantry advance. Yes, it is a direct-fire weapon with substantial battlefield presence, but its main role is still one of support. Always has been and always will be. Spearhead the advance of the infantry and then support with mobile and accurate direct fire. The Abrams prohibits the secondary mission by its ridiculously hot exhoust. It makes urban fighting next to impossible. Many tanks, such as the Merkava are very good in urban roles. The Abrams is best used as a stand-alone vehicle (w/o infantry) for open terrain where it can use superior speed and targeting systems to accurately target and engage multiple targets on the move.

You know your military. I do have a question. Forgive me if I really should have known this but what is the difference between Marines and the Army (this is the only way I'm going to learn)? I don't really like saying 'the best navy' because the navy is more in the greys as to what a supperior design is. For example subs. A sub is a sub is a sub. Nowadays subs don't play the same role they did in WW2 (torpedo battleships). They now serve primarily as tactical launch ships (cruise missiles and the dreaded ICBM). I'd say they have supperior Air Force. Their tank force however are good (a few poor design ideas). A lot was learned from the (origional) Gulf War. Chobham yes came from the British I believe (in conjunction with others in Chobham England if my knowledge is correct and it probably isn't). Well at least it makes theoretical sense. Anyway the US tank force keeps up at least with Britain and Germany. Russian tanks suck these days. French tanks (Leclerc) aren't bad. Merkava Mk 4 is the best tank in the world (from what I've seen). Now I'm just rambling. Next topic:

Something else had crossed my mind. This 160% I mentioned before may be a lot afterall when I think about it. A boost by 160% is a lot (3 times) while just boosting its ability to 160% of what it is (Increases capabilities by about 1.5 times).

Cant wait for the result, but you guys have been dissing mine, and not each others, so I think he wont choose it, even though most arguments have been answered.

Yeh

But the tank aint that speedy at the moment anyway.

And with modern aiming systems and ammunition, speed isnt as important as it was.

That's not really correct.

While speed is (even with modern FCS) useful for reducing the probability of hit(even if it is not as usefulas it was), that is not its only use.

Even if speed no contribution to reducing Ph, speed is sitll important for manourvure. The faster you go the more ground you can cover, the more flexibiity you have in tactics, the furtehr you can move in a goiven tiem, the harder it is for the enemy to predict where you will be and when.


Speed is still very important.

But not as important.

With satellite tracking, air cover and modern rockets, speed is not that important.

My tank is still capable of a good 30mph though.

...nudge, nudge (its the more powerful engine). Now take my tank. I have 950mm of advanced armor using tungsten, high strength ceramics, titanium alloys (lighter and cheaper than RHA), and Chobham (all designed for supreme effectiveness giving it far better performance than you guys would think when hearing 950mm of armor). ...



Chobham is a type of armour, not a material.
It is a composite armour, simialr in concept to the armour you describe.

It comes to my mind...

Try a plastic composite, with diamond, Ti/C pigments and Tungsten pigments.

Is roughly comparable to Chobham, but is far lighter.

You know your military. I do have a question. Forgive me if I really should have known this but what is the difference between Marines and the Army (this is the only way I'm going to learn)? I don't really like saying 'the best navy' because the navy is more in the greys as to what a supperior design is. For example subs. A sub is a sub is a sub. Nowadays subs don't play the same role they did in WW2 (torpedo battleships). They now serve primarily as tactical launch ships (cruise missiles and the dreaded ICBM). I'd say they have supperior Air Force. Their tank force however are good (a few poor design ideas). A lot was learned from the (origional) Gulf War. Chobham yes came from the British I believe (in conjunction with others in Chobham England if my knowledge is correct and it probably isn't). Well at least it makes theoretical sense. Anyway the US tank force keeps up at least with Britain and Germany. Russian tanks suck these days. French tanks (Leclerc) aren't bad. Merkava Mk 4 is the best tank in the world (from what I've seen). Now I'm just rambling. Next topic:

Something else had crossed my mind. This 160% I mentioned before may be a lot afterall when I think about it. A boost by 160% is a lot (3 times) while just boosting its ability to 160% of what it is (Increases capabilities by about 1.5 times).

You are correct on the origin of Chobham armor, it is British... a most excellent development. Where the Abrams was more innovative was in deciding to use depleted uranium in its armor plating which is another reason for the significant tonnage of the tank. Most other tanks use a mixture for various metals and cermet armor in addition to ERA and Chobham but very few incorporate a layer of depleted uranium. Incidentally, for all of the naysayers, an Abrams cannot penetrate another Abrams from armor with a single shot as evidenced in the first Gulf War and numerous trials. Even with the use of a SABOT round, it took two hits to permanently destroy a disabled hulk that could not be left in enemy hands (tank was scrapped due to mechanical failure, no Abrams were lost to enemy fire - so they say). Say what you will about ERA and Chobham, but the fact is that the Abrams survives more because of its inner lining absorbing the remainder of the impact and deflecting it.

Other modern tanks are equally resistant in the front armor, notably the T-90 and Leopard II, followed by the LeClerc, Merkava and Challenger IIs. However, even their weapons suffer from inability to pierce frontal armor with a single shot 100% of the time. What usually happens in a tank battle is that a shell will hit another tank full-on, and if it does not penetrate, it disables a number of the systems and momentarily stuns the crew. The T-90, Leopard II and M1A2 have shown that they are slightly less prone to these effects, but the Leopard II is prone to temporary failure due to a non-canted frontal surface... ie on some variants, a round can hit with full force and not be deflected to a degree at an angle. Back on subject, with the momentary pause given by a successful hit, the aggressor tank can fire a second shot to compund the damage of the first, usually hitting a stationary target in the same vicinity of the first round. This is where the HEAT rounds come into play. You use a SABOT first to destroy the armor and follow it with a more destructive HEAT round. In some instances, your SABOT round will do the job, however, punching a hole in one side of the vehicle and out of the other, sucking all organic material out of the exit aperture due to the extreme over-pressure created inside the hull.

In response to Marines versus Army, it's kind of simple. Think of it in Star Wars terms (for lack of a better example) just for the comparison between toughness.

The Marines are like the stormtroopers. They excel at assaulting an objective, providing a tough, heavy-hitting force, usually attacking from the sea in an amphibious landing. They are designed to provide the military with a beachhead/foothold upon the territory invaded. Marines were originally just a naval vessel's contingent of soldiers, designed to assault ships in boarding actions, provide a small but effective landing force and protect the vessel from other ships seeking to board their vessel. Unless it's an airborne operation, Marines are designed to do the early dirty work.

The Army is like the Rebel soldiers. More in number but not trained to be quite as mentally tough (I hate to admit it, but it's true). They are the actual ground force. They carry the battle past the beachhead/foothold and relieve the Marine invasion force. It is their job to carry out the land battle. Upon their arrival, usually the Marines pull back, refit and get back aboard their vessels. The Army is the occupying force and are the ones concerned with retaining the stong-point and assaulting the final objective.

Both are necessary... Marines are usually more quickly deployed and organized into Marine Expeditionary Units where they can respond to situations quickly while the Army has to muster strength and then attack. Marines seize and by the time they are exhausted, the Army is there. The one exception to this (other than special forces) is the Airborne units which are designed to seize airfields to then land Army equipment nd deploy mechanized infantry and armor.

But not as important.

With satellite tracking, air cover and modern rockets, speed is not that important.

My tank is still capable of a good 30mph though.

No its still very important.

The tank has three main attributes, firepower, prot4ection and mobility.

Take away mobility and yoiu have a gun emplacment.
Satellites etc are not that relvant for many countries, most coutnries dont - have them.

I think your mising my point - your only thinkign about mobility in an actual contact (firefight).

The point is that the greater the mobility the harder ti si for the enemy to predict hwere you will be in a given time - the poosibilites increase teh faster you can move.

Even your modern missiels can;t change this. There are only alimited number and they cnat be every where. The more places your tnaks can be, the harder it si toplace your missiles effectively.

Kontakt-5 improves armor by 161%, US has new ET guns, Russia has new Kaktus ERA [which is hidden behind camoflauge on its Black Eagle tank], which is (supposed to be) able to withstand tandem warheads, double-charged HEAT, and should have a better increase than 161%. WOW, you found a link, I found what- 3?


In any case, some Dover (2nd generation chobham) is also present in the T-80UM5.

Can you try harder with your grammar please?

And my tank is still mobile, thanks to light armor.

It can still move, just not as much as smaller tanks. If you dont like it then:

FT-4 'Thorin' Light Tank:

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/FC/thorin.jpg

To be pretty quick, fire a 95mm gun and have a .50 cal on top. Has to be amphibious and air lift able. To be used in urban situations, tanks battles and anti infantry.

Weight: 32tons
Crew: 2 (driver, gunner/commander)
Engine: CFPW T442
Water drive: 2 water jet systems (steer able)
Max speed: 120kph
Range: 700km
Weapons:
Main gun: 105mm High velocity gun (can fire M9 ATGMs at up to 6km) with auto loader capable of 15RPM (slower for ATGMs)
Co-axial: 20mm Grenade launcher
External: 1 universal MG mounting
Ammo: 20main gun rounds, 10 ATGMs and 500 grenades in armoured isolated emergency vented boxes inside turret, up to 800 rounds for MG
Armour:
Turret: 300mm advanced armour composite
Body: Front: 350mm. sides/ rear: 285mm
Electrical reactive armour
Survivability: Fully integrated defensive counter measures system including threat detection and active counter laser system, heat signature obscured by cool air mixing in exhaust and advanced engine cooling system (mixture of exhaust water and small amounts of fuel), radar absorbing paint
Systems: Full digital fire control with fully stabilized gun and suspension system, fire direction system for GL and target detection radar, full thermal/IE vision systems for all weather/night time operation, full tactical and command level data/ coms systems


:arrow: I AM STILL ENTERING MY FT-9 TANK THOUGH

... what is the difference between Marines and the Army (this is the only way I'm going to learn)? I d.

My answer is general and not specific to the US Marines/Army.

Marines are naval infantry. They are usually equiped with light scales of equipment compared to the army of their nation (the US marines are a bit of an exception and are fairly heavily equiped by marine stnadards - and by the stnadards of many armies).

The are usually trained to operate in an amphibuous warfare role.
The Royal Marines are also commoandos trained in raids and strike operatiosna s well as normal light infantry (simialr toteh US Rangeers - but not airborne)

As such they are usually fairly aggressivly trained and in many countries are considered to be above avaerage - like airborne troops(some marines have an airborne capability as well).

Your run of the mill marine however is not elite in the same sense as special forces such as the SAS or Delta (although many marines do have tuly eleite units as well, eg the UK SBS, US Force Recon etc)

They are also often deployed in small detachemtns on warships for takss, such as boarding other vessels, and gaurding things.

Sometimes marines are actually part of the navy and sometimes they are a separate service. And sometimes they are a stragne combination inbtween being a separate service or not.

Again, a cannon fodderish tank for easy deployment. I find it ironic that while the Russian army is replacing its wheeled APC's (BTR series) with MT-LB's (Russian equivalent of M113A3) due to brutal lessons from Chechnya, the US army is moving towards them so they can rapidly deploy them, even though a T-72 could easily destroy most of these.

BTR as useless, and only good for its amphibiousness, and big armored gun.

20 main rounds? LOL! Or do they have mysterious super gases to aid penetration? :roll:

Oh yeah, and light tanks in urban combat will teach you a lesson: You can't outrun a guided anti tank missile in a tank, period!

BTR as useless, and only good for its amphibiousness, and big armored gun.
Big gun? 14.5mm machine gun is big? :roll: BTR-90 has a 30mm cannon, but in the RUssian army, they are few and far between.


Quite a genious arent you?

lol

I just posted it

A) Cos its cannon fodder
B) Cos its a light tank :roll:
C) Cos it can go fast
D) Cos Im bored.

Its not even a contender for a n00b tank contract.....

It may be OK for recon, but not for urban combat :roll:

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No, the infantry leaves a lot to be desired... most other militaries have a better basic infantry force than the common US groundpounder. The Marine infantry, however, is some of the best in the world (notice I say some). As for the Air Force... it is considered one of the best in the world but, as usual, the military is deciding to go with the lowest bidder on the new aircraft purchases and thus going with the inferior F-22 over the F-23. Aerodynamically speaking, both the S-37 berkut and the MiG-45 outperform the F-22 and the F-23 (although there is less of a gulf between the F-23 and the two Russian birds). Electronically speaking, they Russian planes are, however, inferior. If you ask me (which no one does), the perfect system would incorporate Russian airframes and western electronics/radar.




I have to agree. US infantry is not as good as many nations in basic soldiering.
This does not mean they are effective, but it does mean to be effective US solders rely a to more on technology and firepower than the soldiers of many other countries, which rely more on fieldcraft, and the actual quality of their infantry.

What I 'm sort of saying, is is if you take a US infantry division and put it against an infantry division from another country the US would probably win.

However if you take a sqaud of US soldiers(and take away their batteries) and a squad of soldiers from many other countries 9and take away their batteries too) and the US soldier would likely get trounced.

US soldiers are (generall) not very good at fieldcraft and tactics at the small unit level.
There are of course exceptions, but as a genralisation I beleive this to be correct.
I believe this applies to the US Marines as much as the Army.

This is not book learning by the way - I've operated against US troops in exercises when I was a soldier in a recon regiment in the Australian Army.

And its not a put down on the US - they simply have a different system which places its relaiance on different factors for victory. A different philosophy for fighitng war. And the funds to allow them to do so.

And the US arforce and Navy are excellent for the same reason - they have the funds and know how to evelop extremely good technology.
And unliek the groudn war - air and naval battles are now won exlcusively on technology.

It may be OK for recon, but not for urban combat :roll:

No tanks are good for urban combat.

Too many windows, rooftops, alleys etc.

Towns are infantary area.

It may be OK for recon, but not for urban combat :roll:

No tanks are good for urban combat.

Too many windows, rooftops, alleys etc.

Towns are infantary area.
I just level the towns and move on, but actually T-80UM2 would do OK in a town with ARENA to destroy various RPG's and missiles, and Shtora to jam ATGM's.

So would my tank.

With constant 360 view and those wacking great chain guns to shoot down missiles, adn various jammers and ECM confusers to bugger missiles aswell, it would do okay, even though it is slower than yours slow.

But I mean, cmon, speed isnt even important in cities, because you cant run away froma missile, as you said, and cant get to a great speed in the cities.

So would my tank.

With constant 360 view and those wacking great chain guns to shoot down missiles, adn various jammers and ECM confusers to bugger missiles aswell, it would do okay, even though it is slower than yours slow.

But I mean, cmon, speed isnt even important in cities, because you cant run away froma missile, as you said, and cant get to a great speed in the cities.I could care less, I blopw the town into the ground and move on.

Yeh

NAPALM THE DAMN THING

And move on....

Again, a cannon fodderish tank for easy deployment. I find it ironic that while the Russian army is replacing its wheeled APC's (BTR series) with MT-LB's (Russian equivalent of M113A3) due to brutal lessons from Chechnya, the US army is moving towards them so they can rapidly deploy them, even though a T-72 could easily destroy most of these.

What differnece do wheels or tracks make to protection?
None.
A T72 can destroy most if not all modern personel carriers/MICVs

A grunt with a light anti armour wepaon or a 50cal MG (or even an .30 cal AP if he gets lucky) can take out most APCs.

Wheeled AFVs have very considerable advatanges.
They are generally easier to service, faster (eg twice as fast say 110kmh agaisnt say 50-60kmh), more fuel effcient and nearly as mobile cross country as tracked - the exception (in my experience) is really wet conditions (eg northern Australian "wet" season). In a temperate climate tehre is as far as I know no real disadvantage.

Tyres can be a slight disadvantage in that they can be peirced - but I've changed trakc ad changed tyres and its much eeasier to change a tyre than it is to put a track back on.


Once again this si not book knowledge this is an opiion based on having spent tiem in a recon regiemnt - which at the time was trialling Lav25s against M113 variants.

In the US Army's case I think they are making an excelent decisionand selcti an excellent vehilce (and remmebr its only sposed to nbbe an intermim vehciale -as far as I know)

AMG-102 Eradicator Main Battle Tank

The AMG-102 as designed in direct competition to the AMG-101 Excelsior and AMG-101 Relegator MBTs. Incorporating the advanced drive-train/suspension of the AMG-101(based on LeClerc but improved significantly), the AMG-102 is a more agile MBT than the Excelsior and heavier hitter than the Relegator.

While this makes it a more mobile platform, it also changes the role slightly. Although all three are MBTs, the AMG-100 was designed to get into a slugfest with enemy tanks. It’s large main gun and superheavy armor make it ideal for a straight-ahead advance, enabling troops to use it more effectively as a cover vehicle. The smaller main gun on the Relegator make it slightly less able to deliver the same intensity of firepower but it’s more agile approach to combat make it an excellent flanking vehicle. Where the Excelsior will devastate the center of the enemy, the Relegator will extend the outside lines and crush the flanks. The Eradicator is designed to do both as it incorporates advanced armor technology, a large-bore main gun and superior/more efficient engine than the gas-turbine of the AMG-100 and AMG-101.

The Eradicator has a gyroscopic free-fall stabilizer for the turret enabling the gunner to remain on target even as the driver is juking and jiving in an attempt to avoid enemy fire. Two back-up sighting devices are linked to the gunner’s eye reticle on his helmet’s LCD in case the primary sighting system goes down. One of the systems is located coaxially to the barrel while the other is on a sympathetically moving side mount on each side of the turret. Calibration ensures that the eyes are pointed at the same target as the barrel.

NBC capable, the AMG-102 is also able to submerge up to 5 meters in emergencies. The exhaust system prevents the inflow of water into the engine while internal air stores kep the engine running until the snorkel can be raised. Unfortunately, it has been found that staying at depth for extended periods of time usually result in a tank mired in the bed of the liquid in which it is resting.

Crew escape hatches are located above each of the four positions and when fired, detonate, sending the hatches flying and the seats ejection boosters ignite, burning out at 1000ft at which time a parachute deploys. This is, of course, an optional upgrade to the tank and stock models are not fitted with the ejection seats.

The GodsEye targeting system is the primary means of detection and system used for engagement of the enemy. Using three separate GPS systems to ensure accurate positional data of the tank and working in concert with the laser-rangefinders for accurate target positioning, the Eradicator is extremely accurate. The gyroscopic free-fall stabilizer is computer compensated and the redundant CPUs locked within a gel-based matrix to prevent concussion damage and have proven to be 98% successful after direct hits to the outer armor. The unit is a combination GPS/FLIR/Thermal/Digital Signature array.

The GodsEye targeting array is also capable of basic fire control procedures, taking over in the event of a crew disabling blow to the tank from enemy fire. As the tank will not engage without two of the four crew maintaining pressure upon designated action switches, when three of the four are released, the tank (if the software is included) assumes the auto-engagement role. If designated through the targeting process, the GodsEye system will continue through its progression of targets. Able to designate up to 8 targets, the system queues them and engages them automatically. In this instance, the location of a forward magazine is extremely useful as the optional autoloader selects ammunition from forward stores, preventing the injury of crew members. This feauture of the GodsEye can be disabled, even not included within the delivered software package.

The armor package of the Eradicator consists of an external Chobham layer. In areas in need of increased protection such as the rear of the turret, ERA has been layered on top of the chobham layer, creating a super-protective surface in an area largely targeted by enemy vehicles. reinforced surfaces prevent the ERA from severely compromising the Chobham layer, in essence giving the Eradicator two lives instead of one. beneath this outer armor layer is the CFL, composite fragment layer, composed of high temperature dissipating composite materials and a hardened ceramic lining, designed to improve the usual CERMET armor found as the under layer of Chobham. This is followed by the titanium/depleted uranium/titanium and aluminium shell to further insulate the crew.

By using a thinner layer of DU, the tank is marginally lighter than the Abrams and the incorporation of a higher HP diesel engine give the Eradicator an advantage in speed.


Specifications
Crew: 4 - driver, commander, gunner, loader
Weight: 65.44 tons

Dimensions:
Length with gun forward: 9.1m
Turret height: 2.32m
Width: 3.5m
Ground clearance: .45m
Ground pressure: 16 p.s.i.
Propulsion: Supercharged AE-801D diesel engine rated at 1875 horsepower
Transmission: Hydrokinetic transmission, 5 forward gears, 2 reverse gears
Power-to-weight ratio: 28.6 hp/ton

Performance:
Maximum governed speed: 60 m.p.h.
Speed cross country: 42 m.p.h.
Speed, 10% slope: 21 m.p.h.
Speed 60% slope: 8.3 m.p.h.
Acceleration 0 to 20 m.p.h.: 5.7 seconds
Range: 271 miles cruising

Targeting:
-GodsEye targeting array able to independently track 8 targets at once and engage independently once each round is away. (combination GPS, FLIR, Thermal, digital signature)
-Liquid crystal targeting matrix
-Redundant laser-rangefinders


Obstacle crossing
Vertical: 1.12m
Trench: 2.82m

Main armament: 135 mm rifled or smootbore cannon, 7.62 mm co-axial machine gun, 0.50 calibre machine gun, M2 automatic grenade launcher on powered rotary platform, 4 AM-16 Scream anti-tank missiles in side-mounted twin cannisters on turret.
Loader: Manual or Automatic

Armor: Chobam/ERA combination armor exterior, CFL (composite fragment layer) with inner lining of aluminium/titanium/depleted uranium/titanium (similar to M1A2) and inner aluminium layer.
Rating: Equivalent to about 1400mm conventional Chobham armor, 1600mm where Chobham and ERA used in concert.

Additional protection: Smoke launchers, steam discharge unit for close-in defense, chaff dispensers

NBC protection: 250 SCFM, clean cooled air

Rounds fired:
-Kinetic Energy DU Core (KE-D) Round
The KE-D round features armor-piercing, fin-stabilized, discarding sabot tracer capabilities with a depleted uranium penetrator.
-APFSDS-T Round
Armor-piercing, fin-stabilized, discarding sabot tracer round.
-HEAT-MP-T Round
This multipurpose round employs a shaped charge warhead to defeat targets.
-APAM
Multi-purpose Anti-Personnel Anti-Materiel (four-in-one) tungsten controlled explosive munition for use against personnel, light vehicles, bunkers, rotary-wing aircraft
Capacity: 50 rounds

Unit Price: 6.8 million dollars or equivalent

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A tank is still designed, in essence, to support the infantry advance. Yes, it is a direct-fire weapon with substantial battlefield presence, but its main role is still one of support. Always has been and always will be. .

I have to disagree.
Tanks are not primarly designed to support the infantry. They sused to be.
They were in world war one.
And to an extent in WWII (teh brits even ahd a separate family of tanks for infatnry support as opposed to cav roles)

However since WWII tanks have imo been designed primarily to destroy other tanks.

Infantry support is very much a separate role, except in the broadest sense (eg that they protect inacntry from tanks) - and infantry support is provided in many cases by the infantry's own vehicles (APCs/MICVs).

You only need to look at the amrament and typcial mix of rounds for their main arment to see this.

The majority of main gun rounds carried by tanks are anti armout (eg APFS(DS), HEAT, HESH/HEP. Most of these rounds are not very useful for anything except destroying vehicles and especially tanks ((all of them can be used with reasonable success against bunkers - HESH is OK against buildings )

Rounds like HE (anti sreucure)and cannister/splintex/flechete (anti personel) are only carried in small numbers - if at all.

Some tanks these days aren't even fitted with tank infantry phones (which I find hard to beleive - but it is apparently true).

If infantry support was a main role I think you'd see more mortars (like the Merkava has) and more anitpersonel/anti structure ammo being developed and carried for tank main armanent.

choose the TDR-3000!

NO, THE FT-9A2!!!!

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A tank is still designed, in essence, to support the infantry advance. Yes, it is a direct-fire weapon with substantial battlefield presence, but its main role is still one of support. Always has been and always will be. .

I have to disagree.
Tanks are not primarly designed to support the infantry. They sused to be.
They were in world war one.
And to an extent in WWII (teh brits even ahd a separate family of tanks for infatnry support as opposed to cav roles)

However since WWII tanks have imo been designed primarily to destroy other tanks.

Infantry support is very much a separate role, except in the broadest sense (eg that they protect inacntry from tanks) - and infantry support is provided in many cases by the infantry's own vehicles (APCs/MICVs).

You only need to look at the amrament and typcial mix of rounds for their main arment to see this.

The majority of main gun rounds carried by tanks are anti armout (eg APFS(DS), HEAT, HESH/HEP. Most of these rounds are not very useful for anything except destroying vehicles and especially tanks ((all of them can be used with reasonable success against bunkers - HESH is OK against buildings )

Rounds like HE (anti sreucure)and cannister/splintex/flechete (anti personel) are only carried in small numbers - if at all.

Some tanks these days aren't even fitted with tank infantry phones (which I find hard to beleive - but it is apparently true).

If infantry support was a main role I think you'd see more mortars (like the Merkava has) and more anitpersonel/anti structure ammo being developed and carried for tank main armanent.

Ok... let me clarify... US armor is primarily designed to support infantry. This is coming, indirectly, from a tank battalion commander when I was in Iraq. Yes, they are there to engage enemy tanks, but that is still not their primary role... or at least it is part of a combination primary role between armor destruction and infantry support. The tank is there to counter the enemy armor threat but it is also there to give you rmechanized infantry direct fire suppression of enemy forces and destruction of targets to facilitate ground advance. In all honesty, the tank is going back to the support role because of my job as a Terminal Attack Controller (I call in air strikes). With the airpower available, I can have a flight of planes come in and engage an entire armor brigade and leave it in ruins. I know because we did it not four months ago. In the last 20 years or so, tanks have only been used as counter-armor in one conflict, Desert Storm. As much as their role once moved from support to an entity all their own, that is no longer the case on the modern battlefield.

This is evident recently in Iraq, in Israel, the Balkans and in UN missions around the world.

*wacks FC's head off*

No, the T-80UM5E!

Uses 27mm chain gun to strafe surrounding area, and guy that wacked Fmy head off....

Uses 27mm chain gun to strafe surrounding area, and guy that wacked Fmy head off....
Uses 40mm chaingun to destroy APC's, and points out that he doesnt need mysterious super gases.

my MBT's carry 2 SAMs(the smaller ones, something like the igla). My TDR-3000 also has a 23mm chain gun above the turret.

TDR-3000
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Earth-Vehicles/British/British_Conqueror_Heavy_Tank.gif
Crew: 4
Height: 11.5 feet (3.45 meters) to top of mini turret.
Width: 15.33 feet (4.6 meters)
Length: 45.57 feet (13.67 meters) with barrel; 33.23 feet (9.97 meters) for just the hull/main body of the tank.
Weight: 72 tons fully loaded
Armament:
145mm High Velocity cannon capable of 1650mm of penetration at 2km
23mm AA cannon
2 12.7mm MG's
Smoke dispensers
2 Fold out SAMs
Top speed: 37mph
Cross country speed: 30mph
Range: 400km
Fording ability: Up to 20ft
Protection:
Konkav 3rd gen. ERA
All those neat russian gizmos with the cool names
Heat dampers
Cost: $7 Million

announce the winner!

T-80UM5E can carry SAms instead of ATGM's!

if you shot the ATGM's from the gun barrel you could have both. SAMs on a tank was an idea of MINEEEEEE

if you shot the ATGM's from the gun barrel you could have both. SAMs on a tank was an idea of MINEEEEEE
Yes, but like any self-respecting russian, I took it for myself. And T-80UM5 also has gun-fired ATGM's.

wankers like attica copied the SAM idea and FC copied my turret mounted AA gun idea(although mine is a tad more realistic...)

wankers like attica copied the SAM idea and FC copied my turret mounted AA gun idea(although mine is a tad more realistic...)Hey!


Lol, 4 barreled 27mm chaingun with mysterious super gas penetration powers *shakes head*

His is a gatling gun, not a chain gun. My 23mm AA gun is more like the cannon on the AH-64

His is a gatling gun, not a chain gun. My 23mm AA gun is more like the cannon on the AH-64
Besides, if some bloke with an RPG hits the 27mm turret, BOOM as the ammo starts exploding.

No I didnt.....

I saw this comp and thought "Ive got a great idea...."

I then took the turret off a BTR and Voila!!!

No I didnt.....

I saw this comp and thought "Ive got a great idea...."

I then took the turret off a BTR and Voila!!!Turret of BTR= extremely vulnerable.

Extra Armor = No n00b with RPG exploding it.

Extra Armor = No n00b with RPG exploding it.RPG-29= can destroy Abrams and an uparmored BTR turret.

what's the BTR's turret armor, like 15mm?

I UPGRADED IT!!!

Do you really think I would fit a modern tank with a BTR turret.....

And why dont you slag each others tanks?

Do I not fit in here or something?

I'd like to know how you can uparmor it from 15mm to 1000mm

The decision date has been moved to Wednesday the 24th to deal with the large number of designs under consideration. We thank all nations for their entries and stress that new entries can be made until the afore mentioned deadline expires.

FC- you know nothing about military tech, which is why we criticize you.

lol

I do jets

:D

Sorry if I dont know how guns work (gunpowder? :wink: )
My tanks pretty good

I get one mistake, and am trying to learn, and you yell at me.

Cmon guys, lighten up.

lol

I do jets

:D

Sorry if I dont know how guns work (gunpowder? :wink: )
My tanks pretty good

I get one mistake, and am trying to learn, and you yell at me.

Cmon guys, lighten up.Why woudlnt we? YOu openly admitted that by the way, you ignore people when its convenient for you. Oh yeah, and you ran away from the attican thread because your flagship was sunk.

You do jets? Yet you think B-1's and Tu-160's can use carriers.

This carrier, yes.

With folded wings.....

This carrier, yes.

With folded wings.....

So transport, not launch, then. Because to launch variable-geometry wing aircraft, you need to extend the wings to their forwardmost position. This works two ways. In one position, the flap increase lift and in the other, amazing drag. To launch a B-1, forget the Tu-160, you're going to have to accept that your wing is going to go straight through your conning tower... and seeing as you have fuel cells within the portion of the winge closes to the fuselage, that menas a big fireball and lots of damage.

No

With partially folded, partially not folded wings, the wingspan would miss all objects (all be it just) and head upn the ramp, to take off.

THEY NEED WINGS FULLY UNFOLDED TO GENERATE LIFT, DUMMY!

um you'd also need a cat with enough power to launch an elephant into orbit :lol:

Anyway since my knowledge is primarily in aviation and maritime military I would klike to pose a question while I have the attention of tank experts:

Basically Smothbore V rifled main gun-Whats the deal?

um you'd also need a cat with enough power to launch an elephant into orbit :lol:

Anyway since my knowledge is primarily in aviation and maritime military I would klike to pose a question while I have the attention of tank experts:

Basically Smothbore V rifled main gun-Whats the deal?
DOnt really know this very well, but:
Rifled= better accuracy, velocity, range, so on. Cant really use sabot or HEAT rounds- something along the lines of AFDSFDS rounds
Smoothbore- the opposite

AFDSFDS

APFSDS
Im assuming: Armor Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot

Thats whats used by the British Army, 120mm DU round.

AFDSFDS

APFSDS
Im assuming: Armor Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot

Thats whats used by the British Army, 120mm DU round.
Yeah, thats what I meant, lol.

um you'd also need a cat with enough power to launch an elephant into orbit :lol:

Anyway since my knowledge is primarily in aviation and maritime military I would klike to pose a question while I have the attention of tank experts:

Basically Smothbore V rifled main gun-Whats the deal?
DOnt really know this very well, but:
Rifled= better accuracy, velocity, range, so on. Cant really use sabot or HEAT rounds- something along the lines of AFDSFDS rounds
Smoothbore- the opposite
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Rifled weapons have better range and accuracy, but are not as good at supporting sub-caliber rounds like APFSDS, and rounds like HEAT, which actually have their effectiveness reduced by the spinning.

Smoothebore weapons, on the other hand, lack the range and accuracy, but are much better with APFSDS and HEAT rounds, which are two of the most capable types of rounds out there. This also means that these guns tend to fire higher-velocity rounds, as sub-caliber projectiles have higher velocities compared to similarly sized full-caliber ones.

There is no Russian Chobham equivillant (let alone one supperior). I can't describe to you how it works because no one can! Its top secret and known to only three countries! I'm so angry I'm using too many exclamation marks. I gotta chill. Anyway from what I acern its some material (compound, homogeneous, heterogeneous, don't know don't care) layed into the armor somehow, in tubing. ARENA isn't that useful anyway against other tank fire but I'm sure you know that (its from the same site you told me to go to). You miss my argument in my last message. I found out how ERA is defeated. I assume that Russian (Soviet) reliance on ERA contributes to its lack of actual good armor (they're alright but not that good). My arguement was that if ERA couldn't be defeated then actual armor would have little use anymore in tanks. So I found out what defeats it. I'll find some more if you'd like but I'm getting tired. I'd say the Merkava or Challenger 2 is the best armored but I'm not sure. That's a lot of catching up.

Later.

I dont use EXCLUSIVELY russian tech- just 95% russian tech. Israeli fire control and western Chobham.

In case you didn't check the link I'll post her specs. There's a pic at my origional link.
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T-7 Gilgamesh

Heavy Main Battle Tank

Designed by: Fisaw (Industrized Serfs), Crookfur, Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives), and Newer England

Produced by: Fisaw (Industrized LSerfs) and ETC Ammunition by Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives)

Weight: 70,600kg (155,320lbs.)

Crew: 2 (in front hull)

Performance: Speed: 70km/h, Range: 450km (60km on Hybrid Electric), Vertical Obstacle: 2.4m, Fording: 3.3m, Trench 4.1m.

Armor: Advanced coposite armor incorperating Chobham, Titanium Alloys, high strength ceramics, Tungsten and spacing, exact details are availble on request but effectiveness is rated at being closs (or greater than) 1500mm RHA.

Power systems: CFPW T451 Alcohol turbine with hybrid electric drive for silent running and low heat (for operations requiring more stealth or involving infantry), emergency and maintenance power.

Armament systems: Electro Thermal Chemical 155mm main gun at least 55 calibres long capable of launching most any rounds including HEAT, Sabots, Top Attacks, Missiles, and even canisters. Also a copper round developed by fisaw. Export version using a 25mm machine gun/grenade launcher on remotely operated mount. Missiles (2 SAMs for anti chopper and possible anti round and 2 recon vehicles likely remotely operated) which aren't fired by the main gun. Also a anti-infantry variant of explosive launcher.

Ammunition: 30 Main gun, 800 25mm MG and 800 GL

Rate of Fire: Main gun: 9rpm, MG/GL 350-600rpm (or semi auto).

Intelligence Systems: Radar/laser/microwave threat warning receivers with rapid resolution of incoming fire sources, fire detection radar and suppression system, a wide variety of views with a horizon view and IR/UV/Night vision views. As well as targeting views and emergency periscope views. Laser rangefinder and designator, target acquisition system (roughly 90% accurate), remote sensor coordination (2 remotely operated recon missiles).

Counter systems: Sensors for immediate detection of hits which aim all detectors, designators and weapons at the target which if isn't found is then scanned for. Also launches a recon missile in the general direction. If the targets found then triangulation (with lasers from the recon and tank) is used to quickly get a designator on the target. Works most effectively against direct fire but if not immediately producing a target it should eventually be found.
Jammers, active counter laser, dense particulate smoke rounds and discharger, anti-missile system using ball bearing packed explosives launched at direction of incoming threat from mount on turret, an anti-mine system also using the same ball bearing packed explosive system but located at the front of the hull and using a powerful detection system, anti-magnetic mine paint, multiple drone launch capability.

Survivability systems: NBC protection, unitary armored pod inside the crew’s section of the hull, blow away sections for ammo cases (which are mounted on the sides) that release pressure on ammo incase they blow up and if they do they explode upwards away from crew and engine. The same goes for our missile systems mounted slightly to the rear of the turret. Retractable (and detachable) armored skirts.

Tank systems: Computerized hydropneumatic 'dynamic' suspension, rail system to roll out engine for maintenance, cool air jets run into exhaust stream with a combination of air and liquid (water left and stored from alcohol engine) coolant, advanced fire control computer, fully stabilized gun mountings.


As for the price i belive we are looking at soemthing in the range of $8.5million or so

Gotsta keep my tank in your face. Always good. Buy it (all of you). Its the best design. Well its pretty sweatas to me anyway. Took 2 real life months to complete.

Too bad my tank destroyer, when I get around to it, will be better.

*FC returns, armed with new information*

Guns use 'gunpowder', and compressed gasaes have been added to create extra velocity.

My chain gun uses a LOT of armor, not enough to stop a ET or Sabot shell, but enough to stop a HEAT one. And the guns are very small, which makes the likliehood for hitting one from afar very unlikely.

India launched a modified Tu-22 off an airstrip succefully, off a modified carrier template on the ground. They built a custom built ramp, and set out the conning tower and other objects at exact locations, and the carrier, theoretically, took off.

My tank, though not tried in RL, is possible in theory.

urm Inida have only one carrier and V/STOL!

[quote="Rimbauld"][quote=Agnosticium][
A tank is still designed
Ok... let me clarify... US armor is primarily designed to support infantry. This is coming, indirectly, from a tank battalion commander when I was in Iraq. Yes, they are there to engage enemy tanks, but that is still not their primary role... or at least it is part of a combination primary role between armor destruction and infantry support. The tank is there to counter the enemy armor threat but it is also there to give you rmechanized infantry direct fire suppression of enemy forces and destruction of targets to facilitate ground advance. In all honesty, the tank is going back to the support role because of my job as a Terminal Attack Controller (I call in air strikes). With the airpower available, I can have a flight of planes come in and engage an entire armor brigade and leave it in ruins. I know because we did it not four months ago. In the last 20 years or so, tanks have only been used as counter-armor in one conflict, Desert Storm. As much as their role once moved from support to an entity all their own, that is no longer the case on the modern battlefield.

This is evident recently in Iraq, in Israel, the Balkans and in UN missions around the world.

1) The US does not represent the world in terms of armour design.

2) Even the current US tank the Abrams, was designed (or at least its requirments were specified) more than 20 years ago. It was designed against a specification that had an anti armour role as its main role. It was designed to fight on the Germans plains primarily against a Soviet tanks and to a lesser extent mech inf (the Bradleys armanent was designed to destory mech inf eg BMPs, BTRs etc - and tanks) Note even the vehiclel that is designed ot carry troops and support troops has an anti tank capability.

Like I said look at the wepaons and typcial ammo load. Look at the historical period of when the Abrams was specified, designed, bought into service. Tanks, many thouasnds of them were the threat. Thats why the US and evry other NATO nationof the period was desigining anti tank weapons with gay abandon.

US and many other tanks may today be primarily _used_ for infantry support, but that is not what they were orignally _designed_ for.

Too bad my tank destroyer, when I get around to it, will be better.

Yeah right. I'd admit it if it was. Theoreticlly it will cower at my tank's feet (metaphoriclly speaking). My tank (actually a joint project) is awesome.

*FC returns, armed with new information*

Guns use 'gunpowder', and compressed gasaes have been added to create extra velocity.

My chain gun uses a LOT of armor, not enough to stop a ET or Sabot shell, but enough to stop a HEAT one. And the guns are very small, which makes the likliehood for hitting one from afar very unlikely.

India launched a modified Tu-22 off an airstrip succefully, off a modified carrier template on the ground. They built a custom built ramp, and set out the conning tower and other objects at exact locations, and the carrier, theoretically, took off.

My tank, though not tried in RL, is possible in theory.

Sorry man but I've got to tell you that this chain gun (armored or whatever) is not going to survive your average (100-120mm) HEAT shell if it can't survive a sabot. Really what you said makes very little sense. The difference between effectiveness in HEAT and APFSDS is miniscule. I mean if you take the time to armor it against HEAT you might as well take that extra 0.005cm of more armor against APFSDS (actually it would be pretty well random as to how much more each one will pierce).

PS: Anyone know how I can sling quotes together.

I dunno

And it can survive basic hits, from APC's.

And the turret size is pretty small anyway.

And there is armor between the rounds and the rest of the tank, and the rounds aint taht explosive, so no damage done if they explode, you are just short of one gun.

Tank survives, move on.

There

In case you didn't check the link I'll post her specs. There's a pic at my origional link.
_____________________________________________________________

T-7 Gilgamesh

Heavy Main Battle Tank

Designed by: Fisaw (Industrized Serfs), Crookfur, Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives), and Newer England

Produced by: Fisaw (Industrized LSerfs) and ETC Ammunition by Aresmat (Hole Where Evil Lives)

Weight: 70,600kg (155,320lbs.)

Crew: 2 (in front hull)

Performance: Speed: 70km/h, Range: 450km (60km on Hybrid Electric), Vertical Obstacle: 2.4m, Fording: 3.3m, Trench 4.1m.

Armor: Advanced coposite armor incorperating Chobham, Titanium Alloys, high strength ceramics, Tungsten and spacing, exact details are availble on request but effectiveness is rated at being closs (or greater than) 1500mm RHA.

Power systems: CFPW T451 Alcohol turbine with hybrid electric drive for silent running and low heat (for operations requiring more stealth or involving infantry), emergency and maintenance power.

Armament systems: Electro Thermal Chemical 155mm main gun at least 55 calibres long capable of launching most any rounds including HEAT, Sabots, Top Attacks, Missiles, and even canisters. Also a copper round developed by fisaw. Export version using a 25mm machine gun/grenade launcher on remotely operated mount. Missiles (2 SAMs for anti chopper and possible anti round and 2 recon vehicles likely remotely operated) which aren't fired by the main gun. Also a anti-infantry variant of explosive launcher.

Ammunition: 30 Main gun, 800 25mm MG and 800 GL

Rate of Fire: Main gun: 9rpm, MG/GL 350-600rpm (or semi auto).

Intelligence Systems: Radar/laser/microwave threat warning receivers with rapid resolution of incoming fire sources, fire detection radar and suppression system, a wide variety of views with a horizon view and IR/UV/Night vision views. As well as targeting views and emergency periscope views. Laser rangefinder and designator, target acquisition system (roughly 90% accurate), remote sensor coordination (2 remotely operated recon missiles).

Counter systems: Sensors for immediate detection of hits which aim all detectors, designators and weapons at the target which if isn't found is then scanned for. Also launches a recon missile in the general direction. If the targets found then triangulation (with lasers from the recon and tank) is used to quickly get a designator on the target. Works most effectively against direct fire but if not immediately producing a target it should eventually be found.
Jammers, active counter laser, dense particulate smoke rounds and discharger, anti-missile system using ball bearing packed explosives launched at direction of incoming threat from mount on turret, an anti-mine system also using the same ball bearing packed explosive system but located at the front of the hull and using a powerful detection system, anti-magnetic mine paint, multiple drone launch capability.

Survivability systems: NBC protection, unitary armored pod inside the crew’s section of the hull, blow away sections for ammo cases (which are mounted on the sides) that release pressure on ammo incase they blow up and if they do they explode upwards away from crew and engine. The same goes for our missile systems mounted slightly to the rear of the turret. Retractable (and detachable) armored skirts.

Tank systems: Computerized hydropneumatic 'dynamic' suspension, rail system to roll out engine for maintenance, cool air jets run into exhaust stream with a combination of air and liquid (water left and stored from alcohol engine) coolant, advanced fire control computer, fully stabilized gun mountings.


As for the price i belive we are looking at soemthing in the range of $8.5million or so

She's going on this page too. Now with its link to the storefront where you can purchase them (click on it and then buy many).
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70439&highlight=
Man I wish I could have slung all these replies together.

Ok

My new tank.

The FT-9 Medusa

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/FT-9.JPG

Is an upgraded T80 tank, with 150mm high velocity cannon. Uses many defense systems, and has many arnaments.

Max Speed: 35 mph
Range: 600km with no barrels, 800km with rear barrels full.
Height: 2.76 metres high
Length: 10.2 metres
Width: 4.2 metres
Weight: 52-59 metric tons
Clearance: 0.52 metres
Armor: Front: 1600mm
Side: 1200mm
Rear: 800mm
Crew: 3-4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Computer Operator (optional))
Engine: Diesel Engine Hyperbar V8 of power 1500 ch/DIN.
Obstical negotitation: Trench Width: 3.1m
Vertical Height: 1.1m
Maximum Gradient: 37 degrees

Arnament: Main Weapon: 1 150mm High Velocity Cannon
Secondary Weapons: 1 27mm 5 Barrel Chain Gun
1 27mm Single Barrel Cannon
4 ATGM Missile Mounts
Mounted Weapons: 1 Co-Axial Mounted .50 cal M2
8 40mm Smoke/HE grenade dispensers

Equipment: 2 Mounted Target Seeking ECM confusers
2 Mounted Chaff pods
1 Laser Guided Missile scrambler
1 Active Missile Jammer
4 NVG sights
Mounted 360 degree mini cameras
SHUD and FFE sockets
1 AAFCU-12X Fire Control Unit
1 FCICF-2X Incoming Fire System

Onboard Sights: Commander: 360 Degree mini camera unit
Gunner: 360 degree camera unit
AAFCU-19X Compact Fire Control Unit
AARFU-27X Laser/Radar Rangefinder
AAFCU-20X Automatic Aiming Computer
AAFCU-21X Enviroment Guage
Driver: 360 Degree Camera Unit
SHUD Unit
NVG/IR/Laser/Thermal viewing system

Navigation: Commander: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map ( :D )
Gunner: Digital Map system
Enviroment Visualisation Unit
Driver: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map

Radio: Complete circuit Communication Unit
FCXY Head Mounted Speech Unit
FCXT-5 Handheld radios

Other Equipment: Mine Clearing Equipment
4 Spades
1 Camo net
1 Extra Round container (optional) or
4 FC-57 Assault Rifles and 4 BPV vests


This is the pinnacle of our ground designs. It utilises all out latest technology, systems, programs and arnaments. Armed with a huge 150mm High Velocity gun that can cut through armor up to and beyond MBT thickness, with a variety of shells, like HEAT, Sabot, ATGM's and Canisters. Also armed with 4 ATGM systems of your choice, on mounts on the side of the tank. These missile are proppeled out by refillable compressed air jets, out up to 4 metres away, then they fire, sending the ATGM away. Also on it are several gun systems, including the GAU-15 27mm Chain Gun computer controlled system, that can shoot down helicopters, planes, incoming missiles, even smaller missiles with the help of the computer and ICF (Incoming Fire) Alert System. The front one can cover up to 95 degrees in either direction. It is also aided by the FFE (Friedly Fire Eliminater), a system that can detect transmitters mounted on friendly units, as not to shoot down Friendly Aircraft. The rear on is a Single Barreled 27mm Cannon System, that also can shoot down missiles and airborne enemies, but at less ammo consumption. This can be detached and replaced by a mortar, Stinger or even Small SAM system if needed. Mounted over the commanders compartment is a .50 cal machine gun, that can be replaced by a smaller LMG if needed.

The crew compartments are all quite spacious, but not stupidly so, adn allow for easy movement in a heated battle. Each one is fitted with a above head height flat screen monitors, which each display a different view of the battle, utilising the 9 Cameras placed all round the tanks turret. These cameras run a video through to the monitors, which display all areas over the battle field at a moments glance, without the need for a periscope. Thought these are installed anyway :) . A radio feed through helmet mounted transmitters monitor all things said by other crew members, and pas them through to the other 2/3. This allows for battlefield communication easily. Only 3 crew are really needed, but a fourth member, the computer manner, looks at the computer control units, assign targets to the twin guns, ECM defense systems, chaffs, jammers etc.

These defense systems include 2 ECM pods on the tanks sides, which target individual missiles to confuse. Chaff and flare pods are instlled, a laser warhead scrambler which transmits too many signals for the missile to comprehend, therefore shutting it down. A jammer is also installed, jamming all non friendly frequencies when turned on. NVG, IR, Laser and Thermal scopes are at every station, and can be attached to the 360 degree monitors, allowing for night and difficult conditions monitoring. The gunner uses an auto targetting system, and an auto aim system, which makes correction sin misaim, such as wind conditions, humidity adn obstacles.

Extra rounds can be held in a compartment near the gunner, but assault rifles for the crew can also be stored, as well as bullet proof vests. There is also plenty room for storage of camo nets etc.

All this adds up to a very, very good tank.

Hope you like it (and read all the text, none of it is made up. I JUST GODDAMN TYPED THAT OUT!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: ( :D ))

Copying Hole Where Evil Lives....

Good man. Instead of copying me though why don't you buy my tank. Ah well, here's a link con ERA and pro HEAT which happens to be on one of the same sites you showed me Dark Terror and also was a link from my page. Here we go: http://www.ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor.vif2.ru/Tanks/ARM/ammo.html
If you don't think such a round is being used then think of this; Russian rounds are roughly 12 years back in developement from American (ie: Gulf War usefulness).

Man, you want that tank sold........

Anyway, I amnt betting on anything, since you guys have ripped my tank apart.

FC- nice high velocity reocil problem to screw it over, nice high silhouette chaingun tureret to aim at, and if its hit (BTR turret has what 15mm? YOur uparmored one has what 150mm? Still an RPG-7 could blow it) to cause a chain explosion of 27mm rounds right down into the tank.

*FC returns, armed with new information*

Guns use 'gunpowder', and compressed gasaes have been added to create extra velocity.

My chain gun uses a LOT of armor, not enough to stop a ET or Sabot shell, but enough to stop a HEAT one. And the guns are very small, which makes the likliehood for hitting one from afar very unlikely.

India launched a modified Tu-22 off an airstrip succefully, off a modified carrier template on the ground. They built a custom built ramp, and set out the conning tower and other objects at exact locations, and the carrier, theoretically, took off.

My tank, though not tried in RL, is possible in theory.

Sorry man but I've got to tell you that this chain gun (armored or whatever) is not going to survive your average (100-120mm) HEAT shell if it can't survive a sabot. Really what you said makes very little sense. The difference between effectiveness in HEAT and APFSDS is miniscule. I mean if you take the time to armor it against HEAT you might as well take that extra 0.005cm of more armor against APFSDS (actually it would be pretty well random as to how much more each one will pierce).

PS: Anyone know how I can sling quotes together.

To combine the quotes, you actually have to take a look at the BBCode. It's really a bunch of cut-and-paste using the "quote" command.

And I disagree that the effectiveness of HEAT and Sabot rounds are significantly different. The HEAT round uses an explosive to drive its much lighter (aluminium) penetrator into an enemy tank, following the breach in armor caused by the molten metal and channelled gasses that are forced into contact with the impacted surface as the weapon strikes home. As a side note, until recently, HEAT rounds did not include a penetrator, it was simply a high explosive round designed to channel molten metal and gasses into the side of the armor. Before the advent of Chobham, this was extremely efective. The newer HEAT rounds are designed to specifically counter ERA, but I don't know their success as of yet. ERA, btw, is muss less effective against SABOT as against Chobham.

Sabot rounds are simply a heavy slug, accelerated by the kinetic energy transferred to them by the discarding outer shell. They slam into the target and (being somwhat more dense than HEAT penetrators) cause catastrophic damage to the impacted surface as the dense metal is slammed through. In most cases it is enough to penetrate the majority of even Chobham armor, but usually not fully. However, the impact will cause internal fragmentation and usually send those fragments carooming around inside of the tank killing the occupants. HEAT will just scare the shit out of them.

In either case, any barrel that takes a round is going to be SOL.

Id like to see M1A2 survive going against a T-80UM2- just look at the thickness of its glacis. And yes it has Kaktus 3rd gen ERA which can survive your double-chjarged HEAt rounds.

Enough bashing of FC's tank. The guy's gonna sell so few it'll make his head spin (in self pitty). Thanks for the info on how to combine quotes. Anyway I knew HEAT and Sabot rounds are significantly different. What I meant was that HEAT and Sabot rounds are around equally EFFECTIVE against RHA. However they are entirely different rounds. I do happen to know that APFSDS is more favored (or at least was favored in the early nineties by American Forces). Likely because it was less effected by ERA which was at the time probably a fairly formidable technology. I would say that by this time HEAT rounds are able to get past ERA for the reason that wars like the recent Iraq one propell technology forward. Since these HEAT rounds were in developement very recently I'll asume all bugs are fixed by this time with extensive use against Russian tanks in use in Iraq. This is my assumption. Anyway I'll just let you all know that in the last few HOURS (since my last post here) I've sold 300 tanks to two different nations. That is how much it rocks. So buy it. Be real man, its the best here. T-7 Gilgamesh. See the link above (my in one of my last posts).

Depends on which source you trust about HEAT.


Ive sold 5,000 T-80UM5's, 10,000 T-80UM4's, and 15,000 or so T-80UM2's.

You don't understand the advanced HEAT rounds (the ones able to go through ERA). It isn't a double warhead, its basicly a delayed fuse with a powerful penetrator head which blows through ERA and then explodes (delayed fuse). How can any ERA stop this. Double warheads are (I assume) more useful against spaced armor (and are likely used on HESH rounds as opposed to HEAT) as they blow chunks into the vehicle twice, once to destroy frontal armor level and the second to blow the armor into the crew's face. Yeah you are right about what sources you trust though. I used to figure HEAT were more powerful but from what I understand now based on the fact that DU APFSDS were the main round used in the Gulf War APFSDS must be better. Course US could also have just wanted to test out DU rounds on a country that it didn't really like. Another example is that you trust the Russians a lot (too much if you ask me) while I prefer to trust western sources. I do trust Russian sources though (when it makes sense). For example yes I do believe that Su twenty-something is the most agile fighter out there. They'd never admit to having inferrior systems though (even though its apparent from their armed forces budget).

Inferior training and tactics, not systems. Thats what makes the massive difference (theyre making systems for export, namely to china and india, that keep pace with the latest US tech- well 3 years behind it or so, but not more]. Most US experts agree that if the iraqis had abrams and the US T-72's, same result.

Inferior training and tactics, not systems. Thats what makes the massive difference (theyre making systems for export, namely to china and india, that keep pace with the latest US tech- well 3 years behind it or so, but not more]. Most US experts agree that if the iraqis had abrams and the US T-72's, same result.

In 1999 a report was done by a 3rd party, rating the world's tanks and, sadly enough equipment, not tactics, is more likely to win out in a modern war. The T-72 was outdated, pure and simple. I agree that the training and tactics of coalition forces was superior, but being able to fire with uncanning accuracy on the move and hit moving targets was a major factor. Say what you will about mobility not being a factor, but a tank that can jink and juke and fire while doing so is going to take out a tank that cannot.

ERA is, admittedly, a poor man's Chobham. As Hole pointed out, the newer HEAt rounds can and will defeat ERA because they are specifically designed to do so. Tout the ERA all you want (I'm not saying it is bad, just inferior), but it simply isn't as effective as Chobham is. The only real advantage that ERA has over Chobham is AT missiles, but the right missile will still overpower the anti-blast from the ERA. Neither system is likely to survive a true anti-tank missile in any case, so it's almsot a moot point.

As a side note, many people rate about 6 tanks ahead of the unmodified T-90 and the T-80's newest variant places no better than 8th on the world list. Simple fact of the matter is that ERA isn't as good as Chobham and Chobham variants and scientists and military analysts agree except those who are set on proving that the East has better stuff.

. Most US experts agree that if the iraqis had abrams and the US T-72's, same result.
Let me tell you something, a T-72 can and has been destroyed by the 25mm gun on the Bradley, this is a fact.

The FT-9A3 Medusa

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/FT-9.JPG

Is an upgraded T80 tank, with 150mm high velocity cannon. Uses many defense systems, and has many arnaments.

Max Speed: 35 mph
Range: 600km with no barrels, 800km with rear barrels full.
Height: 2.76 metres high
Length: 10.2 metres
Width: 4.2 metres
Weight: 52-59 metric tons
Clearance: 0.52 metres
Armor: Front: 1600mm
Side: 1200mm
Rear: 800mm
Crew: 3-4 (Driver, Commander, Gunner, Computer Operator (optional))
Engine: Diesel Engine Hyperbar V8 of power 1500 ch/DIN.
Obstical negotitation: Trench Width: 3.1m
Vertical Height: 1.1m
Maximum Gradient: 37 degrees

Arnament: Main Weapon: 1 150mm High Velocity Cannon
Secondary Weapons: 1 27mm 5 Barrel Chain Gun
1 27mm Single Barrel Cannon
4 ATGM Missile Mounts
Mounted Weapons: 1 Co-Axial Mounted .50 cal M2
8 40mm Smoke/HE grenade dispensers

Equipment: 2 Mounted Target Seeking ECM confusers
2 Mounted Chaff pods
1 Laser Guided Missile scrambler
1 Active Missile Jammer
4 NVG sights
Mounted 360 degree mini cameras
SHUD and FFE sockets
1 AAFCU-12X Fire Control Unit
1 FCICF-2X Incoming Fire System

Onboard Sights: Commander: 360 Degree mini camera unit
Gunner: 360 degree camera unit
AAFCU-19X Compact Fire Control Unit
AARFU-27X Laser/Radar Rangefinder
AAFCU-20X Automatic Aiming Computer
AAFCU-21X Enviroment Guage
Driver: 360 Degree Camera Unit
SHUD Unit
NVG/IR/Laser/Thermal viewing system

Navigation: Commander: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map ( :D )
Gunner: Digital Map system
Enviroment Visualisation Unit
Driver: GPS Locater
Digital Map System
Handheld 1:10000 scale handheld map

Radio: Complete circuit Communication Unit
FCXY Head Mounted Speech Unit
FCXT-5 Handheld radios

Other Equipment: Mine Clearing Equipment
4 Spades
1 Camo net
1 Extra Round container (optional) or
4 FC-57 Assault Rifles and 4 BPV vests


This is the pinnacle of our ground designs. It utilises all out latest technology, systems, programs and arnaments. Armed with a huge 150mm High Velocity gun that can cut through armor up to and beyond MBT thickness, with a variety of shells, like HEAT, Sabot, ATGM's and Canisters. Also armed with 4 ATGM systems of your choice, on mounts on the side of the tank. These missile are proppeled out by refillable compressed air jets, out up to 4 metres away, then they fire, sending the ATGM away. Also on it are several gun systems, including the GAU-15 27mm Chain Gun computer controlled system, that can shoot down helicopters, planes, incoming missiles, even smaller missiles with the help of the computer and ICF (Incoming Fire) Alert System. The front one can cover up to 95 degrees in either direction. It is also aided by the FFE (Friedly Fire Eliminater), a system that can detect transmitters mounted on friendly units, as not to shoot down Friendly Aircraft. The rear on is a Single Barreled 27mm Cannon System, that also can shoot down missiles and airborne enemies, but at less ammo consumption. This can be detached and replaced by a mortar, Stinger or even Small SAM system if needed. Mounted over the commanders compartment is a .50 cal machine gun, that can be replaced by a smaller LMG if needed.

The crew compartments are all quite spacious, but not stupidly so, adn allow for easy movement in a heated battle. Each one is fitted with a above head height flat screen monitors, which each display a different view of the battle, utilising the 9 Cameras placed all round the tanks turret. These cameras run a video through to the monitors, which display all areas over the battle field at a moments glance, without the need for a periscope. Thought these are installed anyway :) . A radio feed through helmet mounted transmitters monitor all things said by other crew members, and pas them through to the other 2/3. This allows for battlefield communication easily. Only 3 crew are really needed, but a fourth member, the computer manner, looks at the computer control units, assign targets to the twin guns, ECM defense systems, chaffs, jammers etc.

These defense systems include 2 ECM pods on the tanks sides, which target individual missiles to confuse. Chaff and flare pods are instlled, a laser warhead scrambler which transmits too many signals for the missile to comprehend, therefore shutting it down. A jammer is also installed, jamming all non friendly frequencies when turned on. NVG, IR, Laser and Thermal scopes are at every station, and can be attached to the 360 degree monitors, allowing for night and difficult conditions monitoring. The gunner uses an auto targetting system, and an auto aim system, which makes correction sin misaim, such as wind conditions, humidity adn obstacles.

Extra rounds can be held in a compartment near the gunner, but assault rifles for the crew can also be stored, as well as bullet proof vests. There is also plenty room for storage of camo nets etc.

All this adds up to a very, very good tank.

There happy?

I shielded the ATGM's in a bomb bay-ish thing, where hatches open and the missile flies out sideways powered by compressed gas. The chain gun has a lower profile, and has large amounts of armor, upwards of 200mm

Anything to pick at now?

And I enter this into the comp, instead of the FT-9A1.

. Most US experts agree that if the iraqis had abrams and the US T-72's, same result.
Let me tell you something, a T-72 can and has been destroyed by the 25mm gun on the Bradley, this is a fact.
No, those were T-55's.


Im not saying T-72 is better than abrams, Im saying that if you put iraqis into abrams and americans into T-72's, the iraqis would still be slaughtered!

. Most US experts agree that if the iraqis had abrams and the US T-72's, same result.
Let me tell you something, a T-72 can and has been destroyed by the 25mm gun on the Bradley, this is a fact.

This doesn't mean anything. Abrams have went down to similar stuff. It all comes down to the luck of the shot (ie: where you hit). Hit a turret ring with a 15mm and you'll likely pierce her.

Its good to finally have another intelligent person on my side on this ERA/HEAT topic. Really all the facts are there so there isn't much else to say. What do you think of that Black Eagle? They're supposed to be pretty good according to sources and according to those designing it, it will be supperior to the M1A2. Don't they say that about every tank though? Anyway DK don't answer because we already know your response. Yo Freedom Country your tank's on every page at least twice. Really we've seen enough man.

Why don't you all have a look at my tank above. The T-7 Gilgamesh. Then go to the link to its storefront. Then buy many of them. Do it now. The tank is better than all the others here (or that you'll likely ever see on NS for that matter).

HAH!!

No ones taken digs out the tank yet....

BUMP

BUMP FOR RESULT

Stop being so impatient. Personally, with someone being that annoying (he knows his thread's decision is to be made today), I'd disqualify them in a second. If this impatient for a decision, how patient could you be in testing a tank? :D

BTW... just good-natured fun... please don't wish death upon me, I hear it's unpleasant.

lol

Okay

Just, I was looking forward to hearing hoos won.

But with you guys picking holes in the tanks design, its not gonna b me.

Seen ma new one?

ha I have until 23:59:59 EST to make my decision.

That is like 4 AM in the UK

And Im goin out 2morrow

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