Tahar Joblis Announces Naval Expansion Program [Archive]

25-01-2003, 05:35

With the increasing insecurity of the waters, particularly those near Iesus Christi, Tahar Joblis is announcing an unprecendented program of expansion for the NDOTJ (Naval Department of Tahar Joblis), mainly by placing half its conscripted standing army into factories. Even now, workers are beginning to lay the keel of the first new Tentacle class cruiser, measuring fully 500' long and displacing about twice the tonnage as the current flagship.

The first aircraft carrier in NDOTJ history, the TJS Dolphin, which will measure a whopping 480' long and carry 24 winged aircraft (and 6 VTOL craft) with steam catapults for rapid delivery, is also being built.

H-boats, long the backbone of the NDOTJ, will still be produced at about their former rates, but two new classes of light destroyer promise to become the new backbone of the NDOTJ; a "stealth light destroyer" about 150' long and a "light attack destroyer" class (about 200' long). NDOTJ hopes to have both designs off the drawing board and into production before the end of the current Iesus Christi/St Dominic crisis ends.

25-01-2003, 05:46

Tahar Joblis would also like to announce that, more importantly, the enviromental impact from the naval expansion will be "quite minimal."

25-01-2003, 05:58

Congrats on your new Naval Program. Hope all goes well!

25-01-2003, 20:51

With the easing of the St Dominic/Iesus Christi crisis somewhat and the discovery of lax quality control work by the Tahar Joblis army on the new carrier, the NDOTJ is announcing some "small delays" in the scheduled expansion. Nonetheless, we are now beginning to lay the hulls for the first two light destroyers and beginning systems tests for components intended for use on the light stealth destroyer class, while our design teams are going wild on the drawing boards as they gain experience from recent errors.

Tahar Joblis is also looking to buy cheap, steal, trade for, or otherwise acquire some more modern aircraft before the new aircraft carrier is completed and launched.

26-01-2003, 08:49

NDOTJ is proud to announce the successful launch of the TJS Tentacle, first of a new class of ship never seen before in NDOTJ... the [light] Cruiser. Measuring 505' long and 58' across and mounting "much larger amounts of firepower than anything we've ever had to play with before," the TJS Tentacle is expected to go through a swift shakedown cruise, including live fire excercizes, while escorted by submarines and a number of H-boats. Reporters speculate that the TJS Tentacle is being rushed into construction in spite of optimistic developments in the Iesus Christi/St Dominic situation due to the government's lack of faith in the peace process.

In other news, the aircraft carrier is still under construction, as several mistakes were made early on, and subtandard components (such as the steam catapults) have required replacement and re-engineering. The army of Tahar Joblis is beginning to complain about its role in aiding construction; meanwhile, naval engineers announce that the design of the stealth destroyer is "almost complete and almost debugged" while a new support vessel design and a covered PT boat/ heavy H-boat design are officially on the drawing boards.

Several new solar powered submarines were also quietly launched today on the other side of the island of Tahar Joblis.

26-01-2003, 09:23

The Free Land of Trowaria can not support any war or mechanisms of war except in event of a hostile takeover by a psychotic dictator.

26-01-2003, 09:29

The rogue state of Tahar Joblis regrets offending a nation with as stellar a human rights record thus far as Trowaria, but a spokesman released this statement:

"Our naval vessels are also capable marine scientific research vessels; they have military purposes as well due to the unfortunate fact that all nations are not as socially advanced as Trowaria, and are often belligerent and would invade our naturally peaceful island state."

26-01-2003, 09:36

Trowaria supports these ships as long as they are used responsibly either for science or only in the most dire of circumstances.

27-01-2003, 01:35

NDOTJ is proud to announce the completion of the aircraft carrier TJS Dolphin. 480' long [nearly as long as RL US navy "escort carriers"] and carrying 24 winged aircraft, the TJS Dolphin can launch all 24 aircraft within a "very short time" [possible as little as a minute from a ready state] using an unprecendented [for such a small carrier] 6 steam catapults. Aircraft are expected to arrive for the carrier from the TJAF shortly.

The first two light destroyers are now undergoing final tests.

Tahar Joblis also announces it has found an enviromentally "acceptable" way to store nuclear waste in so-called "twenty thousand year" capsules. This may lead to speculation that Tahar Joblis has developed or stolen a nuclear power program.

Several large keels are being laid at NDOTJ's central shipyard, and the first stealth destroyer is now under construction at an undisclosed location.

The first PT-H class design is undergoing component tests.

27-01-2003, 10:42

New naval construction is being placed on hold due to the current nuclear crisis.

28-01-2003, 07:14

Production now being resumed. We expect greater efficiency from our shipyard due to an overhaul of quality control during the downtime.

29-01-2003, 11:04

This morning, the first two light destroyers and the first stealth destroyer have been launched and are on their shakedown cruise.

TJS Dolphin is now fully loaded with aircraft; it is expected to join the TJS Tentacle on maneuvers in nearby waters.

Tahar Joblis has now begun construction on its new corvette and H-PT classes; no word yet on numbers. A large space is being cleared in the shipyard for "military work".

In related news, Tahar Joblis is asking for donations of scrap metal, as our own resources have dwindled somewhat from the peak (when cars were illegalized and we impounded all of them).

31-01-2003, 02:10

Our first corvette, the TJS Ink, has been launched today.

Our stealth destroyer program is reported to be "good enough for use" by testing; today sees the laying of several more light destroyer (and possibly stealth destroyer) keels, as well as that of a second cruiser and the beginning of a large unspecified project.

The two larger Tahar Joblis submarines (formerly german subs in WWII) have been hauling in sunken hulks with the aid of tugboats in order to help Tahar Joblis meet its metal demands, but a frightful shortage of metals is already slowing the rate of expansion of the NDOTJ.

31-01-2003, 03:52

Thanks to all who stepped in to trade their surplus metals with Tahar Joblis, we are pleased to announce we will NOT GET BEHIND SCHEDULE on our program!

01-02-2003, 04:19

Tahar Joblis is announcing that the current TJS Octopus will be decommissioned after reaching port; most of the parts will go into construction of a new TJS Octopus, expected to also be the flagship of the fleet, after having already secretly spent more time in design phase than the stealth light destroyer.

In other news, a keel is being laid for a second Tentacle class cruiser, and an old escort carrier (495' long and capable of carrying 28 planes) has been acquired from an "undisclosed source"; it requires substantial refitting and repair to get up to Tahar Joblis naval standards.

Tahar Joblis has also just acquired 20 IL-28 light bombers (retired by the USSR in the 1980s), subtantially increasing its air force's size.

01-02-2003, 04:33

In other news, a keel is being laid for a second Tentacle class cruiser, and an old escort carrier (495' long and capable of carrying 28 planes) has been acquired from an "undisclosed source"; it requires substantial refitting and repair to get up to Tahar Joblis naval standards.

Tahar Joblis has also just acquired 20 IL-28 light bombers (retired by the USSR in the 1980s), subtantially increasing its air force's size.

Your carrier is very small.
For 800million dollard Pure Evil can sell you one that is capible of carrying 110planes.

02-02-2003, 03:37

Pure Evil: Alas, the Tahar Joblis Air Force could not currently supply enough planes and pilots without stripping them from other duties, nor do we have the "dollars" of which you speak. Give us a little while, and we could perhaps print off 800 million fresh new emuris to give you for such a carrier, though.

In other news today, the TJS Octopus was decommissioned today and stripped of all weaponry and classified devices; the basic structure of the new TJS Octopus's hull is now being built, although the design is by no means complete. The second cruiser ever belonging to the NDOTJ, the TJS Feeler, fully 500' long, was commissioned shortly after the decommissioning ceremony.

The TJAF is now beginning a similar expansion phase; Tahar Joblis expects to become capable of manufacturing the TJF-1 and -2 (designs suspiciously similar to the X-29 and SU-37, respectively... with serial numbers removed, a nice new paint job, and a few weapons) in "not all that much longer".

The NDOTJ also unveiled today its latest project: The new "A-Boat". The A-boat measures 50' long and 5' across at the widest point; the main main features of the vessel include its largely plastic and composite manufacture, its highly efficient biodiesel and electric engines, the extremely large single precision artillery cannon running most of its length, its small radar profile, and the ability to submerge itself a small depth into the water, allegedly to survive storms. The purely ballistic cannon has a bore of about 10"; most of the ships cargo weight is taken up by the heavy shells, each measuring four feet long; the cartridges of explosives used to fire them, stored separately, are of similar size. Critics state that it "won't get the job done, is unseaworthy, and just wastes space". The NDOTJ insists it has a genuine need for a reasonably stealthy long range attack vessel that "isn't reliant" on complex and expensive guidance systems.

02-02-2003, 04:00

The Order is becoming rather concerned with this increase in buildup, as our own Navy is rather lacking in comparison to our land army. In order to ensure the security of our borders and our Black Market Automobile interests, we shall begin our own expansion.
Unfortunately, we do not have as of yet much experience in the theatre of Naval Warfare. Because of this, we would like to purchase the Decomissioned Octopus, as well as a trio of submarines from Tahar Joblis. We are capable of paying in our currency, the el-em-gee, as well as trade items such as cheese and vehicles and raw uranium, or, through a third party, convert the money to the proper currency.

02-02-2003, 04:05

If you are in need of nacal hardware after the purchase of said ships, the Confederate Arms Manufacturing of Ulgoland would be glad to assist in your rearming.

02-02-2003, 04:08

The Order would be pleased to come into the posession of naval hardware above the quality of our own. Our ground forces are vastly superior to our naval forces, however, in comparison to the rest of the world, we are sorely behind.

02-02-2003, 04:18

Tahar Joblis cannot supply the TJS Octopus itself (due to security concerns relating to its armament) but *could* supply the BlackWolf Order, if sent quantities raw materials we are somewhat short on (steel, jet fuel, and yes, uranium are all quite useful to us) with several light destroyers and possibly a couple Ink-class corvettes.

The Ink-class corvettes are high flexibility vessels about 370' long, mounting perhaps less firepower than counterparts from other nations, but typically (while in our service) carrying a half dozen each of minisubs, attack helicopters, amphibious light tanks, and light tracked amphibious troop transports.

The light destroyers are swift and well armed attack vessels 200' long.

02-02-2003, 04:47

The Order's mining industry is in it's fledgeling stages, however, we are capable of supplying the proper materials. We will have to discuss, however, several minor modifications concerning the Ink-Class Corvette, namely outfitting it to carry our Amphibious/Deep Sea Powered Armor, which is currently under joint development as well. Simple changes, I am sure. Let us know of the amount of materials you desire, and we will do our best to meet your needs satisfactorally.

02-02-2003, 04:52

GATU is willing to negotiate a contract for bulk uranium, in exchange for one Ink-class, to run through sea trials. We can assure you that you will be recieving only the finest uranium available, as well as all requisite containment equipment.

02-02-2003, 04:57

I'm certain that the minisub bays will lend themselves well to powered undersea armor; however, you may wish an H-boat or H-PT boat platform. A team of naval engineers of ours is being sent to you right now with one of our Ink class corvettes to discuss matters; a list of materials desired will also accompany them. The current crew has orders to turn control of the vessel over to you when you have paid for it, but in the mean time our naval engineers will be working with you about it.

You may find our H-boats and H-PT class vessels more interesting if you are developing powered armor for undersea usage:

'Small fast ships commonly referred to as "H-Boats" or "Hunters", have a crew of 5-7. They are largely enclosed and armored, mounting typically a main turret (in a style much like a tank) of three rocket tubes, two side mounted machine guns, a radar array. Of particular note is the "coffin", a lock mounted on the bottom of the ship to allow a scuba-equipped crewman to dive out, theoretically to hand place mines on enemy ships. As this in many ways is more convienient than the "main" cupola entrance, it is used all the time for casual entrance and mid-voyage recreation.

The H-PT class vessel, a heavily armored and armed modern vessel about the size of a PT boat carries an antiaircraft turret, a 8" main gun, and two tribarrel rocket launcher tubes (see H-boat) as well as a larger version of the famous "coffin".'

02-02-2003, 05:00

One of our other Ink-class vessels, just launched today, (this leaves only 1[!] in our harbor now, with three out on maneuvers near the Tingle islands... although we have more on the way) is even now being dispatched to Ulgoland as our official negotiators talk out rates with yours.

02-02-2003, 05:01

I shall inform the Order's engineering teams of the impending arrival of your own teams. We will be willing to offer your teams whatever assistance they require while they are in our waters and on our soil. Materials shipments shall commence within three days of your team's arrival.

03-02-2003, 02:54

In further news today, construction of the new TJS Octopus continues as the Tahar Joblis budget is strained. A number of small groups of protesters have, from time to time, showed up at the site to protest the expensive vessel; this has typically broken down into an earnest discussion between the well educated protesters and engineers out on lunch break discussing how best to build or not build the TJS Octopus; the small but unofficial party and job fair taking place outside the shipyard has a generally festive air in spite of this.

The hull is beginning to take shape; the vessel appears to be near to 800' long; bargeloads of expensive imported titanium have been observed coming and leaving frequently. Different armor alloys and contruction are being clearly tested in the bay as well as in the shipyard; the new A-boat is being put to what some onlookers describe as its "only real use" in testing either the armors or shells.

03-02-2003, 02:57

What vessel are you making 800' long

If you would like I can bring my Super Carrier to your port to show how to go about constructing large vessels in a safe way(1460' Long).

03-02-2003, 03:02

Thank you, but we have already had the opportunity to examine the supercarrier itself in detail while helping pull it out of the mud, so a visit would be purely unnecessary and no doubt alarm (and inflame with envy) our Naval officers; any specific details about how best to go about constructing large ships, however, would be quite welcome. Our chief design engineer will be calling your shipyards shortly.

03-02-2003, 03:09

I will arainge a meeting between naval engineers so we can shart some technlogies.

03-02-2003, 05:16

Tahar Joblis's A-boats are being hauled back on shore for a refit of their guns. Apparently, problems have popped up with the NDOTJ's newest toy.

Protesters on site to protest the building of the new TJS Octopus have split into several camps on the true meaning of this; some think the A-boats are an example of a worthless mismanaged program, some think it an example of the "small but flexible navy" Tahar Joblis needs, and others are categorically pacifistic.

05-02-2003, 01:25

The new dreadnaught TJS Octopus is expected to launch shortly; it is expected to be the largest vessel ever built in Tahar Joblis, mounting 18" thick armor plating (composition unannounced) and "lots of weapons" as well as advanced propulsion systems; these have only been affordable to Tahar Joblis due to the locally low cost of engineers and construction workers as well as the significant amount of raw resources Tahar Joblis has recently traded for, begged for, or otherwise acquired.

Meanwhile, an unusually large submarine for the NDOTJ lacking the characteristic deployable solar arrays was quietly launched last night, and the recently built A-boats are re-entering service after "some modifications" to their main guns.

Tahar Joblis naval forces are being quietly redeployed with an eye towards both Iesus Christi and NY&NJ.

05-02-2003, 01:41

May i ask how big is this A-boat?

05-02-2003, 01:50

As of 10:35 AM this morning, the first ships carrying the promised materials left Sygni Harbor, escorted by a group of Order-designed Patrol/Escort Boats. The shipping fleet will be traveling at top speed to the nearest Tahar Joblis port. The shipping manifest is undisclosed at this time, save to the government of Tahar Joblis.

Anylization and redesign of the Ink-Class vessel has begun, as well as necessary modifications/redesign to the H-Boats. We hope to begin laying down the hulls for the ships next week.

05-02-2003, 01:53

Oh... that's on the last page, but I'll go ahead and repost the original description, although the main guns have been pulled offline and modified or replaced (details not given at this point in time):

[originally posted a couple days ago]
"The NDOTJ also unveiled today its latest project: The new "A-Boat". The A-boat measures 50' long and 5' across at the widest point; the main main features of the vessel include its largely plastic and composite manufacture, its highly efficient biodiesel and electric engines, the extremely large single precision artillery cannon running most of its length, its small radar profile, and the ability to submerge itself a small depth into the water, allegedly to survive storms. The purely ballistic cannon has a bore of about 10"; most of the ships cargo weight is taken up by the heavy shells, each measuring four feet long; the cartridges of explosives used to fire them, stored separately, are of similar size. Critics state that it "won't get the job done, is unseaworthy, and just wastes space". The NDOTJ insists it has a genuine need for a reasonably stealthy long range attack vessel that "isn't reliant" on complex and expensive guidance systems."

And continue the news about the TJS Octopus, of course.

The TJS Octopus measures fully 808' long and 100' across, displacing around 40,000 tons unloaded. A full crew of 1,000 is currently being trained on mockup systems as the ship is being actively readied for launch. [i.e., this thing is only a bit smaller than a RL USA iowa-class battleship]

The vast expense of the project has drawn many protests, as is the fact that it may be nuclear powered. NDOTJ representatives only say that the ship is "safe and relatively friendly to the enviroment."

05-02-2003, 01:58

The BlackWolf Order convoy is escorted into Tahar Joblis harbor amidst much celebration, as the recent [and nearly complete] construction of the TJS Octopus has strained the imploded economy's resources limits nearly beyond what the overpopulated island was willing to spend on its own.

05-02-2003, 12:35

The TJS Octopus, the most expensive ship by a factor of ten to ever emerge from Tahar Joblis shipyards, has just been slid into the harbor to begin final systems tests.

Official reports place the final length at 810' and the beam 101' across, thick copper colored hull bearing more armor plate than any other three ships in the NDOTJ, and of what official reports describe as a "more advanced and durable nature; not only is it 18" thick, it has a better per inch stopping capability than what we have right now on our other ships."

Much of the details of the TJS Octopus's armament is unclear and classified material, but the two large gun turrets with three cannons each appear to be quite similar to those mounted on Iowa-class ships, and a third mounting two slenderer guns appears to be have the same class of gun as mounted on the A-boat.

The hull appears to have a large hole in the middle of it, running the length of the ship. The purpose is unclear at this point in time...

05-02-2003, 15:57

UPDATE:

Repairs are underway on the TJS Octopus, which stalled while cruising at 40 knots across the bay. An as-yet unexplained explosion on the left side of the ship seems to be related, although the damage to the armor plating appears to be minimal.

In other news, NDOTJ engineers announce that their work with BlackWolf Order engineers seems to have reached its first major success; the NDOTJ refused to comment on what exactly this success involves.

06-02-2003, 01:31

NEWSBREAK

Repairs to the TJS Octopus are complete; however, more information has come out about the TJS Octopus. It is apparently powered by five separate nuclear power plants (which explains the astronomical cost of manufacturing it) and mounts an electric drive. Although battleships have long gone out of style among the superpowers of the world (who now favor carriers and occassionally missile cruisers) the NDOTJ pridefully insists that theirs is a match for other [somewhat larger] battleships, although the crew's current degree of inexperience with the vessel is showing in the recent accident.

The vessel has been moved (prematurely, some might say) from the "systems test" board in NDOTJHQ to the "Active" board, although no naval representatives have mentioned a destination for the TJS Octopus.

06-02-2003, 01:51

In related news, the advancement previously mentioned in the Joint Order/NDOTJ project to develop the Order's meager Navy was the successful redesign of the Ink and H-Boat class ships for use in the Order's Navy. Among the items redesgined successfully is the under-hull 'coffin,' which has been modified to fit the Bala-Class Deep Sea Armor, the first of the new Powered Armor series. As a show of gratitude for the aid of Tahar Joblis in this endevor, the Order is sending Tahar Joblis One Dozen of the new Balas to accompany the final materials shipment, which will be leaving within the hour. May the suits be useful as these ships will be to us.

08-02-2003, 01:25

Tahar Joblis appreciates the Balas.

Our current goals having essentially been reached, we are now gearing down our naval production to normal levels.

10-02-2003, 08:49

Tahar Joblis is beginning construction of a new and larger carrier in order to utilize the production from Tahar Joblis's new airfield.

For those not in the know, Tahar Joblis has begun producing aircraft of its own; it is slowly producing the craft dubbed TJF-1 and TJF-2 (apparently stolen designs, see other posts for details) and a light bomber rather similar to the IL-28s it has a supply of.

11-02-2003, 06:34

The new Tahar Joblis carrier appears to be around 700' long, but is still under construction, which has slowed.

The TJAF is proud to announce the successful manufacture of the first TJB-1, a bomber bearing some resemblance to the IL-28s currently making up most of its bomber fleet. The TJB-1 is estimated to cost the TJAF a substantial amount less than the TJF-1 and TJF-2; a low budget TJF-3 is rumored to be on the design board.

TJB-1 Mandrake (light bomber):
Crew: 2
Length:
55' (18.3m)
Height:
21' (6.4m)
Wingspan:
76' (23.2 m)
Speed:
est 700 mph
Weight: empty
21,930 lbs
Maximum Takeoff Weight:
40,850 lbs
Range:
est 1500-4500 miles.
Armament: 3 20mm cannon, AA rocket launcher rack.

11-02-2003, 08:08

Great to hear.

Our first bomber was the hardest to make as everone making it has little or no experience.

12-02-2003, 06:50

Construction of the TJS Finback, Tahar Joblis's newest and largest carrier, has encountered delays due to budget and resource constraints. Any material aid would be welcome; meanwhile, we are starting to work over our air force, a mixed bag at the best of times.

In related news, production has halted (for the moment) on the advanced (and expensive) TJF-1 Fireball and TJF-2 Lightning Bolt fighters in favor of the newly designed TJF-3 Mongoose; production facilities are being built for the new attack helicopter, the TJAH-1 Hummingbird.

TJF-3 Mongoose
Maximum speed: 1300 mph at 36,000 feet.
Ceiling: 52,000 feet.
Range: 500-1500 miles.
Wingspan: 26'
Length: 46'
Weight: 7800 lbs dry, 11,800 pounds loaded, max 18,000 pounds.
Armament: Four 20-mm cannon + variable ordinance load (AA missiles, AS missiles, rockets, or extra fuel tanks; AA missiles most common)

TJAH-1 Hummingbird:
Crew: 2
Maximum take-off weight: 16,400 pounds
Minimum operating weight: 9,300 pounds
Main rotor to tail rotor: 56'
Main rotor diameter: 50'
Overall height: 14'
Fast cruise speed: 180 mph (max is at least 200 mph)
Maximum sideways speed: 60 mph
Rate of climb: 1,200-2,500 ft/min
Range: 400-600 miles
Maximum hover ceiling: 16,000-17,500 ft
Armament: Chin turret 20mm cannon + variable mission weapons.

12-02-2003, 07:09

OOC:

The mjf-3 is too light. If the max takeoff weight is only 18,000lbs the weapons load much be poor.

IC:
We are interested. Does the TJAH-1 have a tail rotor or does it use a co-rotary rotary system?

12-02-2003, 07:43

OOC: The TJF-3 is a light, low budget fighter... somewhat similar to the F-5 in size in shape, although smaller and faster; the low payload is an unfortunate disadvantage. It probably IS outclassed by nearly all modern fighters, and definitely by the TJF-1 and 2. Hrm... I decided to clarify and change a couple specs; the TJF-3 will now make better use of all the 20mm cannon we're building.

The TJAH-1 uses the traditional tail rotor system... would you like to buy a few? I assure you it can be outfitted with most if not all the popular weapons mountings for attack helicopters (please specify which ones if you would like us to include them).

12-02-2003, 08:03

Pure Evil is interested but we generally only use helicopter with co-rotary rotars.

But we are interested in the TJF-3 as a trainer. How much would around 1,000 of these cost?

IF anyonw is interested the PEA company has dumped all by the most modern projects and this means we will have to buy trainers and some helicopters from a 3rd party.

12-02-2003, 08:15

I'm sorry to report that a manufacture of 1,000 TJF-3s will take some time (we would have to build a few more factories); however, we would be glad to sell them to you in return for bulk materials and advanced composites for manufacturing the hideously expensive (for us) TJF-1s, TJF-2s, and stealth helicopters; our TJAF construction reps are on the way to negotiate as to what specific materials and rates would be best for both of us.

OOC: I'm suspecting around $1 million US will probably be about the going rate, in material... sound fair?

12-02-2003, 08:24

The delivery of the planes can be done over a period of time.

We can offer you titanium at $2/kilo and alluminium-lithium alloys at $1.50/kilo. As well as others if you require.

12-02-2003, 08:31

Consider it a done deal. The manufacturing wing of the TJAF is ecstatic. We'll be sending the first ones over shortly.

12-02-2003, 08:42

Good doing business. The metal will be delivered by ship at once.

If it is possible we would like the planes delivered by ship.

12-02-2003, 08:44

It's no problem... that's the cheapest way for us to send them anyway.

12-02-2003, 08:50

what is your intension for all this new military equipment? do you have any planes that are being phased out that you would like to sell?

12-02-2003, 08:53

Do who have an estimation on when the first planes will arrive?

Pure Evil is phasing out it's PEA-5's. Basically it's a MIG-31 for $12million each.

12-02-2003, 09:04

Oh, we just sent the first barge with 4 TJF-3s on its way with a light naval escort. Future shipments will be significantly larger after we get our hands on more raw materials and start to gear up production; this first batch is mainly a first sample. Expect the first major shipment to be sent not long after our airfield gets its hands on the first shipments of Pure Evil materials.

12-02-2003, 09:16

the boat carring the raw materials has been delayed by bad weather. Except delivery in 1-2days.

The escort is not allowed in the harbor itself but can wait at the harbour enterance. This is because the harbour is very busy and handly all governemt orders.

13-02-2003, 05:37

With The NDOTJ is proud to announce the launch of the TJS Finback, our newest and largest aircraft carrier. At 710' long, the ship is nearly the length of the [810'] TJS Octopus and can carry 50 full sized planes. It also mounts a 10" A-boat class gun on a turret - an unusual move for a carrier, and one which reduced its capacity for planes slightly and reduced the originally planned 8 down by another 1 (other revisions have cost it 2 more for a total of 5; one less than the significantly smaller TJS Dolphin)

It also is expected to carry 6 attack helicopters or up to 10 smaller rotor craft in addition to its normal load of aircraft.

This launching has clearly been made possible by Pure Evil's recent purchasing contract for the TJF-3 Mongoose.

13-02-2003, 06:22

Our ship is currently anchored 2 miles outside your harbour, It is waiting for permission to enter the harbor and a pilot to navigate to the dock.

We have tested the first 4 planes and we are very happy with them, More then we expected.

13-02-2003, 06:32

Permission granted.

In further news, the General of the TJAF expressed delight in his expanding force and the fact that "That navy of ours finally got a ship we can land on... the TJS Dolphin provided a nice advanced deployment system, but returning ... well, it was just too short. Maybe next time they'll get a FULL sized aircraft carrier."

14-02-2003, 08:43

Tahar Joblis is proud to announce the sending of the 100th TJF-3 Mongoose to Pure Evil. The remaining 900 are expected to arrive at a "much faster rate" as Tahar Joblis is building more facilities for producing them. Tahar Joblis is also recalling its escort carrier, with apparent plans to rebuild and upgrade it into another Finback class carrier equivalent vessel.

In other news, the NDOTJ is trying to catch attention again as it begins plans for an "entirely new class of vessel" that it insists will "fulfill a vitally needed niche in our Navy." Others point out that the A-boat project, the last "entirely new class of vessel" the NDOTJ endorse enthusiastically, has yet to prove useful.

14-02-2003, 08:51

We are pleased to hear the delivery rate is increasing.

The planes are the best trainers we have every had. They combine what was once done why 3 planes into 1(Supersonic flight, ground attack, air-attack) Great plane.

We may even order more.

14-02-2003, 08:55

I have no sail zones going 100 miles off the coast of Josob, if i see anyone break this rule, i will be forced on destroying your forces.

14-02-2003, 08:59

THe actule internation waters treaty(in the real world) is only that of I think 5 miles away from the coast of that nation.

Emperor Nemesis

14-02-2003, 09:01

That it is. I meant of conflicting forces. [/list]

14-02-2003, 09:08

That it is. I meant of conflicting forces. [/list]

Then this should go in the War thread or the deployment thread, and I'll put you down as neutral in the deployment thread if I have already not.

Emperor Nemesis

15-02-2003, 04:11

After the top TJAF general spent a long session whining to several commitees about the lack of "special projects" for the TJAF like the Navy gets (not withstanding the design of the TJF-3, TJB-1, TJAH-1 recently, not to mention the earlier TJF-1, TJF-2, and stealth helicopter projects). This comes upon quiet word that the Navy has received approval to begin studies for a project known only as "Big Fishy", and the TJAF general apparently got his way... as Acquisitions has begun looking for good suppliers of helium for a "War Zeppelin" program, which detractors say is both unnecessary and wasteful, given the current state of Tahar Joblis's economy.

15-02-2003, 04:25

Tahar i can offer to give you PEA-12's heavy bombers for a special price of 40million each.

4x 65,000lb afterburning turbofans
Top speed Mach 2.5
Attack speed Mach 1.23
17,500km range
4-person crew
90,000lb of disposable stores held on 3 16-bomb rotating racks (Several small bombs can fit on 1 holder)
2 flare dispensers

I have no helium to sell.

15-02-2003, 07:13

We'll take three... it's a good deal, but we can't afford any more than that right now.

15-02-2003, 07:17

Ok. Anything for a good trading partner.

Any word on the next plane shipment.

15-02-2003, 07:25

Well, we've reached 300 on your order this morning; shipping is getting a bit slower though, as most of our navy is deployed around Amerigo. This makes escorting convoys trickier.

15-02-2003, 07:37

Can you send the remaining planes in one shipment.

We can escort the ship if your forces are too busy.

The bombers are very very close to getting put into their containers and shipping.

15-02-2003, 07:47

Sure thing, Pure Evil.

15-02-2003, 07:55

Actually, I believe that a nation's territorial waters only extend 12 miles in the real world.

15-02-2003, 23:48

Tahar Joblis is proud to announce the shipping of the 500th TJF-3 Mongoose to Pure Evil; with this landmark, more TJF-3s have been produced for Pure Evil in Tahar Joblis than all other military aircraft combined (this includes TJF-3s for our own air force, now the most numerous aircraft in our arsenal).

In other news, we are beginning construction of the first test dirigibles for Project War Zeppelin, using both locally produced hydrogen and imported helium, as well as imported composites from Pure Evil. Cost assessments and enviromental impact studies are even now underway; so far, our Chief Enviromental Studies Officer for the Air Force (CEOSO-TJAF) believes the enviromental impact will be "lower" for an entire zeppelin air fleet than a squadron of conventional winged aircraft.

Leaks of the Day:
An envoy has been sent to the BlackWolf Order to ask engineering help with a "Project Ubu". As all previous engineering help between the two nations has come from Tahar Joblis, this is most peculiar.

Official sources confirm the existance of a Project "Big Fishy" for the Navy, but refused to comment when asked what sort of project it was, although some unusual contruction appears to be going on in the main shipyard at Taharasopolissa.

16-02-2003, 02:55

Pure Evil is also proud to annouce the safe shipment of 3 PEA-12 Heavy bombers to Tahar Joblis. The planes are now in transit to their airbases and will be assembled when they arrive.

It was also annouced that the TJF-3 will now become to only plane used in Pure Evil for Basic flight and weapons training.

16-02-2003, 08:06

Thank you, Pure Evil. Current count of TJF-3s sent has just reached 700.

In the news today, Tahar Joblis completed construction of its first three test War Zeppelin. 200-300' long, their military purpose seems unclear, as its cargo capacity seems limited to a scant 1-3 tons. However, other designs on the drawing board are apparently much larger; airframes undergoing structural tests near the airfield seem measure up to be 2000' long.

The Marine Forces division of the NDOTJ is abuzz with rumors over Project Ubu. With the arrival of BlackWolf Order engineers, the project is apparently making swift progress. Sealed containers have been moving from under the bay to a large warehouse-like structure in the Marines' sole weapons laboratory and back again.

In further news, Project "Big Fishy" gets fishier as two unidentified government sources offered completely different descriptions of the project:

"Big Fishy is the ultimate go-anywhere deployment vehicle; every branch of the military should be supporting it."

"Big Fishy is a special deep-maritime project in making a fast EW ship with good ASW capabilities."

16-02-2003, 09:05

The TJS Walrus has been rebuilt from the keel up as a larger, nuclear powered vessel 300' longer (now 795' long) but no wider; it now mounts a pair of steam catapults. Longer but narrower and lighter than the TJS Finback, it is meant as a fast supporting carrier, carrying up to 40 planes.

Unlike the TJS Finback, it has not been refitted with a long 10" A-boat class cannon, or much of anything else. However, it is fast (possibly up to 40 knots when not fully loaded) and has a longer landing strip than the other two carriers in the fleet.

16-02-2003, 22:11

Trade news:

The 1000th TJF-3 Mongoose was sent to Pure Evil today amidst a flurry of speculation fueled by recent reports from the front that the TJF-3 has proved remarkably effective and far less vulnerable in combat against advanced fighters using sophisticated weapons; of particular note is Frank DiVides, deaf pilot of a TJF-3 who downed at least 4 enemy interceptors. TJAF engineers are scratching their heads over this one.

Today's official news:

A press release for Project Ubu reads thus:

We are proud to announce that we now have a fully functioning ASA prototype unit of the UBU. This leaves simply weapons system testing, manufacture, and communications systems for the UBU incomplete; we expect these to be done with greater speed. The amphibious armor unit is expected to gain great importance not only within the Marines, but the Navy and military as a whole. Thank you all.

Project War Zeppelin:
The 1 man solar powered hydrogen scout dirigible TJSD-1, measuring 200' long, was officially added to the TJAF's list of units, along with the TJTD-1, a 600' transport carrying approximately 20 tons of cargo, and the TJAD-1, a 500' long armored 3-man attack dirigible. Other models remain under construction.

Leaks of the day:

Further leaks on Project Big Fishy clarify the other leaks thus far:

"Big Fishy is a remote robotic reconassaince system, of course. What else?"

"Big Fishy is a last ditch deterrent system; we don't want to have to use it, but it is nice to have just in case."

"The project [Big Fishy] is all about logistics and seaweed farming."

16-02-2003, 23:33

17-02-2003, 04:43

A 2000' long dirigible has been sighted being launched from a large field in Tahar Joblis. The airship appears to have a flat top covered with thin solar panels, and appears armed; it headed off the island into cloud cover swiftly. Several barges have also been quietly launched.

In other news, Project Ubu will be officially unveiled in full in a ceremony to take place at a harbor in a small town 40 miles from Taharasopolissa.

17-02-2003, 04:47

Pure Evil is very happy with the delivery of the last aircraft.

We are also waiting for information about Project Ubu.

Scolopendra

17-02-2003, 06:41

Scolopendran intelligence has information that Tahar Joblis will unveil the UBU weapons system soon. We do not know of its magnitude, but it may have reverse-engineered Scolopendran particle cannon. We do not know how this could be possible.

Advisor Garbo
Intelligence Division
Federation of Scolopendra

17-02-2003, 06:52

With thanks to BlackWolf Order engineers for helping us develop it, we are now unveiling PROJECT UBU.

The Ubu is a breathtaking experiment in exoskeleton technology. Capable
of speeds close to 40 mph on a level track and slightly less in a swimming pool, the Ubu can outrun many tanks on land and outrace most submarines underwater. It has thick armor, an underslung turret mounting a 40mm grenade machine gun paired with a submachine gun system (for backup), and two sideracks launching small rockets/torpedoes.

Massing about 3/4 of a metric ton fully loaded, the Ubu exoskeleton can easily be parachuted in for fast deployment.

The physical arrangement of the Ubu is worth noting, and takes some getting used to. The Ubu trooper actually lies on his back when piloting the Ubu on land, head towards the front of the exoskeleton; this requires some getting used to, as the display goggles mirror what is behind the pilot's head. The pilot's arms extend into the "thigh" of the front legs, and his legs are entirely within the Ubu's (which extend further).

Scolopendra

17-02-2003, 06:54

Or... maybe it doesn't have particle cannon.

Advisor Garbo

17-02-2003, 07:01

Is it like the eva?
How big is it?

17-02-2003, 07:07

Not really, it's much smaller (about 5'-6' tall at the shoulder, has 4 legs) and masses only 750kg (less than most cars).

17-02-2003, 07:09

Oh ok. I was imagining a giant EVA thing.

Sounds promissing.

17-02-2003, 07:59

The Order's engineers find the UBU to be rather..unusual to their own designs, however, are confident in it's ability at its trials. They'll also be adapting their new knowledge of lighter-weight design materials to standard designs, to produce a more 'normal' powered armor.

17-02-2003, 11:05

A Tahar Joblissan factory at an undisclosed loaction is beginning to produce the Ubu with all due speed; secondary systems tests have resulted in the submachine gun system remodeled to a two barrel system (one to each side of the GMG), additional shielding for its electronic components, and a secondary fast-charge input link.

Development of a 40mm self propelled "magdart" round for use with the GMG underwater is apparently underway; a new version of the Mandrake TJB-1 bomber with bombing hold spefically designed to deploy the Ubu is also being produced in small numbers. The Marines can hardly wait until they have their Ubus, but in the mean time, a light unpowered armor suit based on technologies developed for the Ubus has "hit the shelves" in Tahar Joblis's armed forces in some small numbers. It does not promise to be particularly popular, but the 1st Rifle Platoon - 50 elite specialists trained with the eternally awkward Rumsudoi - have already adopted it universally.

"It evens out the recoil," Corporal Leonard Stripes was quoted as saying. "Although we still can't run full live fire excersizes [with the Rumsudoi] they're tough enough to stop rubber rounds, which we really appreciate."

Other sources in the Army have frequently privately referred to the 1st Rifle Platoon as a "bunch of nuts" who seem "bloodthirsty and masochistic".

18-02-2003, 09:00

Project UBU's primary research section is officially closing for now, the magdart round completed and the secondary GMG feed system required for it designed and installed on the Ubus being produced in our factory. The magdart round is actually longer than the standard 40mm grenade round and is fired at a much lower ROF. It has enlarged popout fins, a magnetized nose plate, and utilizes a highly miniturized compressed gas screw for range.

Rumors continue to fly about Project "Big Fishy". Further top-level government sources have leaked the following today:

"Big Fishy is actually a hypersonic aircraft program with turbolasers and a super ion drive."

"Big Fishy is the world's first nuclear powered heavy assault VTOL with submersible capabilities."

"Big Fishy is a hover mounted particle cannon platform, pure and simple. Doubles as an APC."

18-02-2003, 09:04

Big fishy seems to be everything but i quess thats becuase its just rumors.

Do you have any idea when the TJF-1 and TJF-2 are getting released?

I would also like to place an order for 300 more TFJ-3's.

18-02-2003, 09:15

The TJF-1 and 2 were not planned for international release until we develop a better aircraft; right now, our air force wants all the ones we can produce, and production is quite expensive; due to the extra shielding we're busily installing on them after their poor performance against EMP weapons, we really can't afford to sell any right now, regretfully.

The additional 300 TJF-3 Mongooses will be on their way shortly.

18-02-2003, 09:27

Do you plan on releasing an export version?

How much do you want for the 300 TFJ-3's.

18-02-2003, 09:38

Same rates as before for the Mongooses will be fine.

We aren't currently developing export versions of the TJF-1 and 2, but the SU-47 Sukhoi Berkut is remarkably similar to the TJF-1 Fireball (read: different paint scheme and interior upholstery, registry numbers) and you may be able to find a supplier for it.

18-02-2003, 09:41

"payment" is getting ready to leave port.

05-03-2003, 05:32

In the main harbor of Taharasopolissa today, a vessel purportedly to be part of Project "Big Fishy" was unveiled. Measuring a full 80' long and 30' wide, and appearing to be a hollow ovoid with a great gap down the center, the vessel rolled around several times before sinking into the bay, to the delight of onlookers.

Tahar Joblis is also proud to unveil its second aircraft carrier dirigible. Measuring just over 2000' in length, the dirigible is expected to bring extended operations cost for nonlocalized deployment and excersizes down notably.

Also unveiled today is the "little brother to the UBU" the ICE (Incendiary Combat Exoskeleton).

Measuring typically 7' tall adjusted and weighing in at 500 pounds fully unloaded and built using engineering techniques largely borrowed from the BWO, the exoskeleton amplifies the strength of the wearer "only slightly" compared to larger, more advanced versions. The Ice mounts an internal fuel tank and generator system for converting plant roughage into either operational power or ammunition for the flamethrowers mounted on top of each arm; it can "survive some submersion" but is not intended for submerged operations. For versatility, a version of the Rumsudoi with a large trigger plate and simplified loading mechanism has been developed from existing surplus at a small cost; an underslung grenade launcher is being acquired from an "undisclosed foreign source" at a low price.

05-03-2003, 06:19

your experiments in new and improved military technology are most intriguing. is there a possibility that the republic can purchase one or more of these aircraft-carrier dirigibles, and if so what is the going price? such a craft would allow my military to be truly big pimpin'.
anxiously awaiting,
jüster mcscoralot
foreign ministry

05-03-2003, 08:53

Provided the recent flurry over our invasion dies down, we'll be able to sell you one at the relatively low price of about $1B USD in raw materials in a little while.

Meanwhile, with speculation over the invasion (see invasion thread) Tahar Joblissan ground forces are being inspected and prepared. Tahar Joblis military is going on high alert, and the new ICEs are being placed into swift deployment and production. Meanwhile, Tahar Joblis is also gearing up to build its first locally produced main battle tank on a single production line (ie slowly). The TJMBT-1, the Goliath, weighs in at 50 tons with a top speed of almost 40 mph, and mounts a 125mm main gun. In line with popular Tahar Joblissan design creed, the tank is fully equiped to operate underwater, capable of driving along river bottoms. Some complain it is less heavily armored and mounts fewer secondary weapons than other main battle tanks, but the Goliath is still bigger, more heavily armored, and plain meaner than anything else in the Tahar Joblissan land arsenal.

06-03-2003, 05:17

Today a cheering crowd watched as several tug boats, barges, and submarines successfully retrieved the 80' long hollow oblong thing that sank into the bay yesterday and hauled it off to an undisclosed location for further testing of Project "Big Fishy". Military analysts are "optimistic" about the results of yesterday's test.

In further news, the first ICEs rushed into army units engaged in their large scale first live fire excercises today, revealing a critical flaw in the system, whereby the arm mounted flamethrower systems jam, the feed tubes explode and the fuel melts its way into the emergency coolant lines, and then ignites; the ICE wearer then cooks alive in a most horrific and inescapable manner. Three ICEs malfunctioned in such a manner today, and all of them were recalled.

The final knell for the new military design management team rung today when a brand new Goliath tank de-treaded itself, backfired during the cannon firing rate tests, and then automatically deployed mineclearing equipment on the technicians attempting to fix it.

As a direct result of these three incidents, not to mention the recent panic over an "invasion" consisting of a waterlogged corpse, an emergency referendum was convened, and - with 91% voter turnout, well over the 70% required to pass an emergency referendum measure outside of a state of war - the voting public has removed the current military design committee from office and accused them of incompetence; pending a fair trial, they may face up to 25 years in prison and a permanent stain on their reputations.

06-03-2003, 05:47

The Order announces it's williingness to lend their allies several weapons engineering people, as well as powered armor technicians. Hopefully, this will help prevent further design..mishaps.

06-03-2003, 06:46

Tahar Joblis is thankful for the help of its allies; we think we've fixed the problem with the ICE, but we'll be glad to have you engineers looking it over. The problem with the Goliath tank seems to more involve quality controls being loosened; however, a quick redesign of it is in the works to correct several flaws that managed not to dramatically demonstrate themselves in the recent tests.

06-03-2003, 06:58

Azbinia, along with some support from Mazosia, has been experimenting with exoskeletons. The infantry powered armour system (IPAS) currently being tested by A Company, 1st Battalion, Azbinian Rifle Regiment isn't all that fancy.

IPAS consists (or will consist) of a series of layers and systems:
a) a waste management system (in development);
b) a thermal regulation system (similar to what astronauts in EVA suits use; a little underpowered at present);
c) an environmental protection layer (protects the first two layers and against NBC contamination);
d) the exoskeleton proper and its power grid (with lithium batteries, approximately 4 hrs. endurance); and,
e) ceramic/ballistic nylon armoured shell components (including a full-faced helmet; a little thicker than what you would find on most individual armoured vests, protective against AP 7.62mm rounds at <100m).

IPAS permits an infantry soldier to carry increased loads and heavier weapons (currently the test company is using surplus FN FALs, G3s, and FN MAGs, though our engineers hope to develop an effective caseless, full powered, fully automatic 7.62mm x 59mm NATO rifle in the near future). In the IPAS, there is decreased range of movement but speed on flat surfaces increases to 48km/h.

The Azbinian Army hopes to equip a battalion with IPAS. It ain't great, but it kinda works.

06-03-2003, 07:21

Well, thanks to the aid of specialist in the field from The Blackwolf Order, we've been able to move somewhat ahead of the curve for exoskeleton systems, in spite of some bugs in our only traditional exoskeleton system so far. The Ubu powered battle armor is quite a success, in our opinion... although a rather massive system compared to what the IPAS probably is and the ICE. The Ubu mounts a grenade machine gun (RL system, fires ~360 rds/min of 40mm grenades), typically a tripod stabilized support weapon; we find it a potent weapon for midranges, you might consider mounting them. Integral mounts or hardpoints make handling several sophisticated weapons systems easier for the powered armor trooper.

06-03-2003, 08:06

The Order would be willing sell you/barter out our expertise in the area of Armor-Building and design. Our suits are the best available, as we've devoted millions of hours of work into the development of Powered Armor. Let us know what you'd be willing to trade/pay for this service.

06-03-2003, 10:14

The redesigned Goliath, lighter by a crewman, a mine dispensing hopper, external fuel tank storage, battle armor deployment cage, three spare treads, and a small amount of armor, stands as follows:

TJMBT-1 Goliath:
Mass: 40 tons
Length: 31'0"
Width: 11'6"
Height: 7'1"
Speed: 40 mph top speed; maximum of ~8 mph submerged.
Main Gun: 125 mm smoothbore cannon
Secondary armament: 7.62mm machine gun and high pressure flamethrower (same coax system), AP shrapnel system (explosives w/shrap mounted and pointing outside and around the tank), twinned AA missile tubes (think Stinger missiles), some mine clearance/terrain clearance equipment. Carries better electronics and night vision equipment than anything else in the Tahar Joblis ground army.
Crew: 3

The Goliath is still the largest, most heavily armed, and heaviest armored tank in the Tahar Joblis ground army, in spite of the redesign; the old models and the old production line have been melted to scrap. Production has begun on the redesigned Goliath and the recently fixed ICEs.

News of Project "Big Fishy" is, however, elusive at the moment.

09-03-2003, 22:48

The new model of the Goliath tank has passed its operation tests with flying colors.

Rumor has it that Project Big Fishy may have been cancelled.

10-03-2003, 02:51

While this is not exactly news of TJ Naval Expansion, the Order would like to announce that the Onos, the largets Battleship/Dreadnought yet constructed, has been launched earlier this week. It is currently on its way along with the First Fleet to pay a visit to the Order's Ally, Tahar Joblis.

13-03-2003, 03:04

After decades of neglecting its armed forces, Tahar Joblis Armed Forces Research Department is proud to announce the completion of Tahar Joblis Army's armor unit spread, with its fifth domestically produced design. Designed to complement the lighter TJAT-L1, TJAT-L2, and TJAT-L3 light amphibious tanks and the newer (and heavier) Goliath tank as well as the ICE and UBU systems, the Great Toad tank is described as "nothing less than a complete revolution in armor systems".

The Toad is designed robustly and simply while incorporating advanced fire control systems. Controlled in entirety by only two people - a driver and a gunner - the operational aspect of the tank is remarkably simple. Massing 25 tons and capable of reaching speeds of 40 mph on level ground, the Toad mounts a fearsome 100mm smoothbore cannon and a variety of munitions, from standard HEAT and AP rounds to small missiles and even several 100mm torpedo rounds. Capable of firing on the move, fully submersed operations, and cushioning the crew in sudden drops (or low air drops) the Toad is clearly capable of handling any terrain. It even mounts an emergency internal deployable parachute for driving off short cliffs (or, again more likely, low air drops) which, when combined with its massive shock absorbance and internal padding, allows the two man crew to survive highly damaging maneuvers. Unlike nearly all other tanks built of its weight class, the Toad does not mount secondary AA or antipersonnel machine guns; some critics decry the loss, while Tahar Joblis high command vehemently asserts the tank isn't intended for either purpose.

Further additions to Tahar Joblis's ground forces' heavy equipement are unlikely.

14-03-2003, 05:18

In the news today, NDOTJ spokespersons announced that Project "Big Fishy" has not, contrary to rumor, been abandoned, but simply moved to a more secure location with fewer personnel leaks.

The Tahar Joblis Marines appear to be expanding in a big way, and incorporating tanks into their arsenal; before, the Ubu was the only ground capable armor unit (if you care to call it that) used by the Tahar Joblis Marines. This may indicate a less isolationist policy is gaining ground in Tahar Joblis; the pressures of population expansion and chronic widespread rationing may be bringing the nation's temper to a short hot fuse.

14-03-2003, 05:23

Message from a Remarker of Succinctness

Boats are stupid.

-----Just Another Piece of Veracity

14-03-2003, 07:06

15-03-2003, 03:45

OOC Note: Boats are quite needed by most islands, among others. Silly spammer...

In spite of objections from those who have pointed out how much less expensive and how much longer airstrips are available through Tahar Joblis's aircraft carrying dirigibles (currently numbering 3) the NDOTJ is proud to announce it is beginning construction of another Finback class aircraft carrier. This will bring the NDOTJ's wet navy carrier count to four undersized craft according to intelligence sources "deep within" the navy, who "showed us pretty pictures" according to a prominent reporter.

We find the idea of reaching Reality Island by boat very laughable, although we don't actually use laughter as a way to express amusement anymore. However, Bill is currently laughing about it. Unless you have a hull capable of slicing through the phenomenal world into the noumena, you might as well shoot yourself: it'll last longer. But you had enough foresight to mention that most island need boats, and we will take this into account when tallying your points.

In any case, it's clear you know little of Reality Island, otherwise you wouldn't string incoherent capital letters with such simplistic ignorance. To enlighten yourself (relatively speaking) you can read our Declaration here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8619&highlight=)

Also, we would like to affirm the stupidity of boats. Nano-technological Netbots are much safer and more effective when it comes to extracting cyclostomata from the ocean. Although you shall not have the technology for another eighty years, why aren't you researching now? That's just lazy! And as you said yourself: aircraft is readily available. The need for aircraft carriers will fade by simply raising fuel efficiency only a slight amount and developing air distortion techniques, but you won't even bother with that until the '50s. But, yes, continue precariously floating massive, cumbersome weights upon a watery abyss.

-----With the Correct Knowledge on how to Traverse

15-03-2003, 04:32

Actually, we find our flying zeppelin aircraft carrier get better gas mileage than our fighter jets (the real ereason we use them).

Expect a full boatload of Tahar Joblissans to be invading your nouminal - or, as we prefer to spell it, numinal - paradise armed with the complete works of Kant, in all friendliness. You'll have no problem spotting them; their rudder will be large and their clothes not worn.

15-03-2003, 04:56

They said they "appreciate the humor of your suggestion." They also were very insistant on the message: "But we can read the material non-locally." Why they couldn't bother to type it themselves, I have no idea.

Anyway, zeppelin carrier fleet. Even though the Islanders kinda snicker about corporeal objects, I still think its pretty cool. I'm interested to know how the octopuses (octopi?) roam around in the forests of Tahar Joblis, but, eh.. I'm sure they're much more pleasant to look at than our resident......thing....

-Bill

17-03-2003, 03:54

Tahar Joblis, following an "embarassing showing" in military action against Slavrov, during which nearly two dozen Tahar Joblissans died, is stepping up on static defensive systems, satellite deployment, and naval and air forces.

Following the unprecendented destruction of a dozen TJF-3 Mongooses in a single engagement, along with 3 TJB-1 Mandrakes and an F-4 Phantom II (the only one deployed in that conflict) and the cumulative naval threat causing an admiral with a full fleet to back down during that same conflict, Tahar Joblissans feel deeply ashamed and have voted to commision a new class of attack vessels, tentatively described as "a heavy destroyer class of sorts" and several new planes (TJF-4, TJF-5, TJB-2, TJB-3)

The first of these new designs was launched in prototype phase today; the TJB-2X prototype is described as a "strike bomber"; it has forward swept wings and a number of unusual features; the two man crew operates with an expensive amount of electronic systems and a detachable bomb bay; the more absorbant materials used give it a slightly smaller radar profile than the TJB-1 Mandrake. The TJB-2 is designed to deliver its main payload of up to 30,000 pounds of ordinance at a ground target and immediately switch profiles into that of a far more nimble heavy fighter, still with ground attack capabilities. The TJB-2 is not expected to replace the less expensive and lighter weight TJB-1 (capable of being launched from Tahar Joblissan aircraft carriers*) when the prototype finishes testing.

TJB-2 Magus
Length: 71'0"
Wingspan: 53'4"
Height: 17'2"
Empty weight: 41,250 lbs.
Maximum takeoff weight: 97,450 lbs (detachable bay wt 1500 lbs, max bay capacity 30,000 lbs)
Maximum safe sustained sea level speed(fully loaded w/bay): 850 mph.
Maximum top speed(w/o bay): 1200 mph.
Armament: 1 80mm cannon (nose mounted; typically carries 12-20 rounds) 3 20 mm vulcan cannon (1 recessed swiveling top mount; 1 rear mount; one mounted well under nose) and typically up to 1 dozen standard advanced air to air missiles, 1 special rear hatch (purpose TBA depending on how our testing and technology shape up).
Range: 2500 miles w/bay, 3300 miles w/o bay, and far longer with an external fuel tank replacing the bay; designed with midair refueling in mind.
Combat ceiling: est 60,000'

*Tests for attempting to launch the fully loaded TJB-2X protoype from a zeppelin aircraft carrier have not yet been attempted.

17-03-2003, 04:23

Do you have any boats for sale?

We also show interest in the new aircraft

17-03-2003, 04:30

Pure Evil: Prehaps you would be intrigued to buy the next Juggernaut class Battleship that comes off of the line. As a nation by the sea, Rotenfeld has constantly strived for Naval superiority, and currently we have one of the largest navys in the world. We would love to broaden our international trade by selling some of our navy.

17-03-2003, 04:36

Well, we can design and manufacture naval vessels for hire; our shipyards are capable and experienced. Generally speaking, we can sell H-PT class, H-boats, and light destroyers (running to around 300' long, as I recall); for such as yourself, we may even consider (pending approval from the NDOTJ) releasing an A-boat or two, although you may not be interested (it is a rather specialized boat).

'Small fast ships commonly referred to as "H-Boats" or "Hunters", have a crew of 5-7. They are largely enclosed and armored, mounting typically a main turret (in a style much like a tank) of three rocket tubes, two side mounted machine guns, a radar array. Of particular note is the "coffin", a lock mounted on the bottom of the ship to allow a scuba-equipped crewman to dive out, theoretically to hand place mines on enemy ships. As this in many ways is more convienient than the "main" cupola entrance, it is used all the time for casual entrance and mid-voyage recreation.
The H-PT class vessel, a heavily armored and armed modern vessel about the size of a PT boat (~80' long) carries an antiaircraft turret, a 8" main gun, and two tribarrel rocket launcher tubes (see H-boat) as well as a larger version of the famous "coffin".'

The A-boat measures 50' long and 5' across at the widest point; the main main features of the vessel include its largely plastic and composite manufacture, its highly efficient biodiesel and electric engines, the extremely large single precision artillery cannon running most of its length, its small radar profile, and the ability to submerge itself a small depth into the water, allegedly to survive storms. The purely ballistic cannon has a bore of about 10"; most of the ships cargo weight is taken up by the heavy shells, each measuring four feet long; the cartridges of explosives used to fire them, stored separately, are of similar size. Critics state that it "won't get the job done, is unseaworthy, and just wastes space". The NDOTJ insists it has a genuine need for a reasonably stealthy long range attack vessel that "isn't reliant" on complex and expensive guidance systems."

17-03-2003, 04:38

Heh. The Onos is bigger than the Juggernaut ship, No doubt.

17-03-2003, 04:44

For all you ship building nation see my thread.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8878

17-03-2003, 20:34

As part of its embarassment induced building frenzy, Tahar Joblis is proud to announce the development of a new class of ship, the Kraken, designated in the NDOTJ as a heavy destroyer. Construction of several to increase the percentage of "reasonably sized" ships* in the NDOTJ is expected to begin ASAP. The Kraken is intended to fulfill many roles with a high survivability rating. With more limited firepower than many modern destroyers, the Kraken is nonetheless efficient and versatile, with lower operating costs and a smaller crew. The Kraken also has a helicopter pad, expected to be filled by the versatile and potent TJAH-1 Hummingbird.

Kraken Class Heavy Destroyer
Length: 400'
Beam: 42'
Armament: 2 5" guns, 2 twinned tube torpedo systems, 1 quad harpoon missile launcher, a 6 cell box vertical missile launcher**, 3 Phalanx systems, two quad anti air missile launchers.
Speed: 36 knots

*Reasonably sized according to Admiral Stromsveldt, that is.
** Yes, there are several kinds of missiles you can launch from these; you're probably thinking of Tomahawk missiles, and yes, those are one of those types.

17-03-2003, 20:56

With the launching of the second Finback class aircraft carrier, the TJS Baleen (712' long), the NDOTJ now operates no less than 4 carrier craft, three of which are more than 700' in length (the TJAF operates the TJACD dirigible aircraft carriers).

18-03-2003, 00:33

With the testing of the TJB-2 Magus prototype complete, TJAF testers are moving quickly on to a swift fighter with a powerful radar system, dubbed the Javelin.

TJF-4 Javelin
Length: 59'10"
Wingspan: 41'6"
Height: 18'1"
Combat ceiling: 65,000 feet
Maximum speed: 1850 mph
Armament: 6 air to air guided missiles, 2 20mm cannon.
Empty Weight: 27,500 lbs.
Maximum takeoff weight: 60,300 lbs.
Range: 2000 miles

The TJB-2 Magus will be in production soon.

19-03-2003, 02:12

Work is beginning on the first Krakens, and the H-PT boats ordered sent. The first TJB-2s and TJF-4s have been moved to the "Active" list.

The TJB-3 Cyclops is a fixed wing bomber designed to provide heavy backup and EW support for the TJB-1 Mandrake as well as long range independent bombing capability. Named for the distinctive bulge on top of the cockpit, the Cyclops is intended to mount larger and more sophisticated EW and radar systems, which will probably have to be imported. The overall cost of the Cyclops is expecte to be "high" and very few of them are expected to be built, as the TJAF's 6 B-52s and 3 PEA-12s already fill a heavy bomber role to some extent.

TJB-3 Cyclops
Length: 132'
Wingspan: 125'
Height: 31'
Empty weight: 145,000
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 310,000
Range: [classified] (intercontinental)
Maximum Speed: 850 mph
Combat ceiling: 32,000'
Fixed Armament: 6 20mm cannon, 16,000 pounds of EW equipment (type not specified in initial release); carries a substantial payload of assorted bombs and/or missiles, as well as countermeasure systems and (in standard assumed configuration) a handful of air to air missiles.
Crew: 7.

19-03-2003, 02:29

DOUBLE POST :(

19-03-2003, 02:29

19-03-2003, 02:33

19-03-2003, 02:42

The PEA-12s appear to be doing fine, although we have yet to use them in a combat zone. We're glad of your offer to supply radar and EW systems for the Cyclops; consider the price of a such systems to supply 30 Cyclops deducted from the price paid to be paid us for the Krakens. (i.e., consider details being worked out quietly on precise pricing and further trading).

RADAR:
PEA-R103
RANGE: 100km radius singular, 600km radius joined
SIZE: 1.2m radius disk
WEIGTH: 1500kg total system
PRICE: $750,000 each

What are you looking for in an EW system?

If you want a larger radar that can be arranged

19-03-2003, 02:57

It is a perfectly fine radar system, although by no means the only EW/radar equipment the Cyclops will mount. Rerouting payment...

19-03-2003, 03:45

PEA-RJ218
Function: Radar jammer
Range: 20km
Size: 2mx1mx1m box(external)
Weight: 30kg
Frequencies jammed 20khz to 7ghz(a gap can be left for friendly units)
Price: $50,000 each

PEA-RJ218i
Function: Radar jammer
Range: 36km
Size: 2.2mx 1.5mx1m box(external)
Weight: 45kg's
Frequencies jammed 18khz to 7.2ghz(2 gaps can be left)
Price: $125,000 each

PEA-RJ238
Function: Radar jammer
Range: 120km
Size: 2m antenna(external) Extensive internal system
Weight: 100-250kg's
Frequencies: 2khz to 12ghz(Infinate gaps can be left)
Price: $500,000

19-03-2003, 03:48

19-03-2003, 04:09

We'll take the big one, and assume that private negotiations and engineering between the two sides finishes out the electronic suites of the Cyclops (along with any electronics we receive from other nations, such as OH). No need to clog up the thread too much ;]

BEGIN LOADING ASSUMATION
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BING
LOADING COMPLETED

We hope that Tahar Joblis and Pure Evil can be invloved in more joint programs.

20-03-2003, 03:53

The final additional element of Tahar Joblis's failure inspired spurt of new designs has been presented to the public. With this, the engineers of Tahar Joblis turn their creative minds towards architecture, seaweed farming, and the space program once more.

The first three Krakens have been completed; the first, the TJS Kraken, will remain in Tahar Joblis, while the other two are shipping under a skeleton crew to PE.

The TJF-5 Albatross, like its namesake, appears as an ill omen with long wings. Designed support the Mongoose with ground attack and heavy air to air support followup capabilities with per unit construction cost only several times that of the cheap TJF-3 Mongoose, the Albatross is, admittedly, not the fleetest nor the nimblest fighter in the feet. With dimensions only slightly smaller than the TJF-4 Javelin, the TJF-5 Albatross has a maximum load weight slightly less than the Javelin's dry weight and is less than half the speed.

However, the TJF-5 mounts more overall firepower, and costs substantially less; specially designed to paradrop the UBU, the TJF-5 is a potent and reliable ground attack fighter; in spite of the low price tag, TJAF engineers have managed to mount an ECM pod just aft of the bomb bay. Although nowhere near as sophisticated as the systems mounted on the TJB-3 Cyclops, wingmates in Mongooses will be glad for the EW support their own fighters cannot provide.

TJF-5 Albatross

Length 54'6"
Wingspan 31'1"
Height 14'6"
Combat Ceiling 50,000'
Maximum speed: 880mph.
Armament(standard): 2 20mm cannon, 2 AA missiles, 2 rocket pods (7x66mm unguided rockets), 2 ASM/1,000 lb bombs, ECM pod, up to 2,000 lbs internal payload (may carry bombs and/or Ubus, or additional fuel extending range by ~400 miles).
Range: 700 miles fully loaded, 1100 with fuel tank placed in payload bay, 1600 miles w/external tanks, 2000 miles with external tanks and internal payload bay replaced by added internal fuel tank.
Empty weight 13,500 lbs.
Normal takeoff weight 21,000 lbs.
Maximum takeoff weight 26,500 lbs.

20-03-2003, 06:28

We congratulate Tahar Joblis on creating a plan with such a good size:weight ratio. Great job.

21-03-2003, 02:03

Tahar Joblissan shipyards have begun to accelerate production; another three Krakens were sent off today, two to PE (total 4/75) and one to Ben Land (total 1/30) and a dozen Kraken keels were laid at once using recently arrived Ben Land steel.

Tahar Joblis is proud to announce the official launch of the first fully completed TJB-3 Cyclops; the bomber mounts a sophisticated suite of electonics from several different nations, and its full capabilities with it are unclear so far to all but the TJAF.

21-03-2003, 05:25

Tahar Joblis officially denies the rumors that it is refitting some UBUs to function adequately in the deepest depths of the ocean; said one NDOTJ official:

"The UBU is already capable of sufficient depth immersion to engage nearly all potential targets."

Tahar Joblissan officials refuse to comment that this or some development with the eternally mysterious Project "Big Fishy" have anything to do with alleged Tahar Joblissan plans to destroy Deluge completely.

21-03-2003, 05:25

21-03-2003, 05:37

Can we get hold of a TJB-3 for testing purposes.

22-03-2003, 00:30

Today, Tahar Joblis shipped off seven destroyers (11/75) to PE and three to Ben Land (4/30).

We regret, the TJB-3 Cyclops will not be available for export yet; we have barely begun limited production and writing the field manuals from our test model. A version of the TJB-3 Cyclops for export is something that we could develop soon, but not quite at this point.

22-03-2003, 01:39

24-03-2003, 03:02

Not really. We're increasing production rates rapidly, though, so although the first few have been delivered slowly, you'll get them in relatively short order.

Between this post and the last, sixteen destroyers have been shipped to PE (27/75) and six to Ben Land (10/30).

The first TJB-3E export model has been manufactured and sent to PE as well for testing; it mounts a slightly less sophisticated electronics suite as well as an added pair of bunks for long running crew comfort; overall performance is essentially unchanged otherwise (it is still a very capable craft in terms of EW).

24-03-2003, 03:09

24-03-2003, 23:07

Recently, Tahar Joblis, after some deliberation, has noticably increased Defense spending.

In today's news:

Eleven destroyers (38/75) were shipped to PE and five to Ben Land (15/30). The Kracken is beginning to make its presence felt in the NDOTJ; the NDOTJ is also starting work on a nuclear powered cruiser (estimated length 650') and the TJAF has attempted to quiet unsuccessfully the surprise release of a new aircraft.

The first "stealth" aircraft to be produced in Tahar Joblis since the devastatingly expensive Stealth Helicopter, the TJS-1 is a light manned spyplane. Precise details are unavailable, but it appears to weigh less than 5 tons fully loaded and fits in a 30' x 20' x 10' box.

25-03-2003, 00:54

OOC: IRC nationstates chatroom is a nice place for yall to go to talk about this sort of stuff... so here come more other peoples' orders from me.

With the placement of recent orders for more military equipment, Tahar Joblis will be shipping in short order (pending last minute payment negotiations) 20 TJF-5 Albatrosses and 10 TJF-4 Javelins to British Flying Forces and has stepped up on ICE production to supply them for Ben Land shortly.

26-03-2003, 00:30

Today, 14 destroyers have been sent to PE (52/75) and 7 to Ben Land (22/30) along with 50 ICEs (50/100)

Meanwhile, 25 TJB-2 Magus bombers will be shipped momentarily to Klamath and the same number have just been sent en route to British Flying Forces.

26-03-2003, 02:12

We have found potential in the TJB-3 are we are asking for permission to buy Chassis from Tahar Joblis but outfit them with Pure Evil technology.

What would be the price for such an agreement for 100 chassis?

26-03-2003, 02:50

Cost for 100 Cyclops chassis will be around $1.5B in raw resources. Delivery will take a little while.

Tahar Joblis is proud to announce the unveiling of its new nuclear powered missile cruiser class, the Squid, mounting our new flexible missile delivery system, the Hex Box. Designed to hold and fire 7 cruise missiles or a significant number of smaller missiles depending on confirguration and the addition of internal partitions, the Hex Box. Nevertheless, the Squid class also mounts two conventional antiship missile batteries and four 5" turret guns; overall, this provides for ample firepower, and the 4 phalanx close defense systems provide ample defense. The Squid is considerably larger and more powerful than the older Tentacle class, and provides equal - or in some cases superior - guided missile support as the TJS Octopus, although the dreadnaught mounts substantially better armor, more powerful and numerous guns. The TJS Octopus is being refitted partially with the Hex Box system.

Length: 700'
Beam: 70'
Speed: 36 knots
Armament: 4 Phalanx systems, 4 5" guns, 3 configurable Hex Box systems (7 large tubes, which may be subdivided for smaller missiles), 2 triple tube torpedo systems, tower mount [CLASSIFIED], 2 triple tube ASM launchers, helipad.

27-03-2003, 01:38

Tahar Joblis is proud to announce the fulfilling of Ben Land's current armament needs as communicated to us with the shipment of 8 more Krakens and 50 more ICEs.

Sixteen more destroyers (70/75) have been sent to Pure Evil and Cyclops airframes are piling up in warehouses awaiting confirmation from Pure Evil on the order.

The 25 TJB-2 Magus bombers are en route to Klamath.

27-03-2003, 02:46

Yes. We are sending resources to you nation as we speak.

27-03-2003, 20:02

A total of 40 airframes are being sent along with the last 5 Kraken class destroyers.

Today, the NDOTJ has begun laying the keels for two more Squid class vessels as Iesus forces have been sighted going on the offensive again, this time in Ienothesia.

Tahar Joblis rumors point to the devisement of a new mobile antimissile defense system, the TJLD-1 Sunshield class zeppelin. Project War Zeppelin, originally designed to be the TJAF's low budget supplementary force, has a history of coming up with new niches in the Tahar Joblissan military, such as the flying aircraft carrier. The Sunshield mounts a pair of chemical oxygen-iodine lasers (COILs), one forward and one rear; the 1200' long craft has a crew of 7 and is designed to target and destroy missiles.

An anonymous TJAF official expressed pessimism, claiming that the lasers would probably not manage to target and track any "significant number" of missiles well enough to "get all of them".

28-03-2003, 00:56

In other Project War Zeppelin news, Tahar Joblis has announced a new class of aircraft carrying dirigible.

The TJACD-2 is designed to carry slightly over twice the aircraft load of the TJACD-1 and two Hex Box missile systems, as well as nearly twice the logistical supply for its aircraft (supply whch was rather limited with the TJACD-1). 2800' long, the TJACD-2 also mounts nearly half again the thickness of composite armoring as the TJACD-1; however, it is even more visible, a larger target, and more expensive.

It is intended for use with the TJB-2 Magus medium strike bomber/heavy attack fighter.

29-03-2003, 12:31

The TJS Deepshell and the TJS Beak, new Squid class cruisers, have been completed. Production of the medium attack submarine class has been stepped up due to the Ienothesian conflict.

The remaining 60 TJB-3 airframes have been sent to PE.

02-04-2003, 04:57

The NDOTJ today announced it has achieved a "great milestone" in Project "Big Fishy."

Unusually enough given the number of rumors that have surrounded this longrunning secret project, no details were leaked to the press about what "great milestone" has been reached.

02-04-2003, 07:19

sorry about the dealy and we thank you for the airframes. We are currently fittig them with the latest in Pure Evil technology.

05-04-2003, 00:46

Project "Big Fishy" will be publicly demonstrated in some part soon.

No word on exactly how, but the Tahar Joblissan government is asking for foreign reporters to cover the event, which they claim will be "earthshaking" and "scare the jeebies out of anybody thinking about attacking us".

Interested news services should send a representative ASAP; we will need to check all of their equipment etc and they may be held incommunicado for a brief period. We promise we'll give them back though...

05-04-2003, 02:39

We have finished Making the upgrades to the the TJB-3. We have called them TJB-3PE

Length: 135'
Wingspan: 140'
Height: 29'
Empty weight: 175,000lb
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 610,000lb
Range: 20,000km
Maximum Speed: 965 mph
Combat ceiling: 62,000'
Armament: Up to 300,000lb of bombs(with lower fuel)
Crew: 5
Engines: 4x 80,000lb turbofans

08-04-2003, 01:12

Today, a large number of reporters were released by the Tahar Joblissan government along with their equipment to allow them to report what they saw in the demonstration of "Big Fishy".

Sample:
A destroyer, apparently of Iesusan manufacture, cruising on the ocean. Several people in NDOTJ uniforms leave the craft, which appears deserted. There is a loud tearing noise, and the destroyer founders and drops in the water; its engines stop. With a loud crunching noise, the destroyer breaks into two halves. Amidst much turmoil in the water, the destroyer sinks.

Sample:
Pictures of the fragments of the destroyer, sheared and bent horribly, lying on the ocean bottom.

Scolopendra

08-04-2003, 01:46

Heeeere fishy fishy fishy

08-04-2003, 02:33

....The Order applauds the TJs in their latest contraption. We've figured out how exactly it will most likely work...and we are quite impressed.

08-04-2003, 14:26

Video Sample:
Ordinance screaming down from the sky. A great splashing noise. Loud cracking boom. The view scrolls down, and a broad flat imprint through the sand - somewhere around 60-90' across and stretching across a quarter mile of beach - is littered with spent shells, and a T-72 tank with the main gun gone with clear indications of great violence upon it rests further in from the water.

Western Asia

09-04-2003, 01:16

We are wondering if this has anything to do with the giant squids rescued from the ravages resulting from the Deluge's careless environmental destruction plan. We don't think so, but you can never know...I mean, giant squids? Come on......

Well, whatever the truth may be, we will assure you that the squids being rehabilitated in our care are not to be used for military purposes...no matter what our admirals may say in private.....

C. W. Kligerman
Intelligence Advisor

Maj. Gen. Uziel "the Bear" Mofaz
Military Liason at Large

R.C. Pressman
Sec. of State,

S.N. Long
Science and Technology Assessment & Procurement Manager

E.N. Draker
Weapons System Assessment & Procurement Manager

09-04-2003, 02:26

Tahar Joblis categorically denies that giant squid are trainable enough for military purposes.

Under ordinary conditions.

Western Asia

09-04-2003, 04:18

15-04-2003, 03:52

An enigmatic item in this year's defense budget caught some attention; a citizens' council was called to find out what "THOR(incomplete)" was and why it cost 10% of this year's defense resource allocation.

The citizens' council declined to comment publicly beyond stating they found THOR acceptable, although indeed not entirely complete or tested.

19-04-2003, 07:27

TJF-6 Gnat
Cruising Speed: 420 mph
Maximum speed: 500 mph
Ceiling: 30,000'
Range: 400 miles
Wingspan: 23'7"
Length: 15'9" (body 10'10")
Height: 5'6" with landing gear extended.
Weight: 3,450 lbs dry, 5,840 lbs maximum rated takeoff weight.
Armament: Two pairs of .50 cal machine guns with a spring loaded 66mm rocket launcher between them, mounted interior to the craft; mount swivels to 40 degrees in either direction from forward, up to a 200 pound bomb.

Faced with the challenge of creating a simpler and cheaper aircraft than the TJF-3 Mongoose, TJAF engineers worked day and night to design the Gnat. Resembling nothing so much as a clamshell with wings attached - backwards - the Gnat is quite possibly the smallest subsonic forward swept wing design in the world. The Gnat is, in theory at least, highly maneuverable; twin pulsejets (one nacelle mounted on the tip of each wing) provide for ample acceleration, and the aircraft has numerous adjusting flaps. Even the angle of the long low triangular tailfin - running nearly half the length of the body - can be adjusted, as can the angle of the pulsejets themselves. Between the wings, the robust pulsejets, and a near complete lack of electronic control aids, the Gnat can be somewhat difficult to control, and is on the slow side for a modern fighter; however, its extraordinary maneuverability and small target profile are a combination not found in any other modern fighter. A simple twitch on the trigger opens a 3" slit along the front of the body, revealing its armament: Four .50 caliber machine guns mounted on pairs on either side of a 66mm rocket launcher. The internal turret can traverse 40 degrees to either side without firing upon the forward pointing pulsejet intakes, although the mount must be locked in the forward position to reload the rocket launcher. It may also safely carry a single bomb strapped to the outside of up to 200 pounds in weight, although this reduces milage somewhat. The Gnat is an extremely simple machine, with the most complicated parts being found in the fuel gauge and altimeter; minimal training is required to maintain and repair this craft.

Radio headset does not come stock with the model.

18-05-2003, 20:27

Today, a quiet conference was held between Tahar Joblissan officials and its colony's officials about THOR.

In recent news, the NDOTJ announced a "sweeping program" to upgrade the point defense systems of its larger vessels, citing continued development in the field of antiship missile development by "elements hostile to Tahar Joblis."

20-05-2003, 18:40

In the news today, six technicians installing the new supplementary point defense system (unofficially dubbed "Pike") were hospitalized with massive burns after an apparent accident during systems tests.

The NDOTJ and TJAF announced "good progress" in their research on a new cruise missile. Dubbed "Snake," researchers claim to have tested "most" of the needed technologies to assemble a working prototype. The Tahar Joblissan government is looking to spread the costs of the Snake missile a bit by partnering with a "more industrialized" friendly nation for production or sale.

The Snake will be compatible with the Hex Box launcher.

Although Tahar Joblissan military spending is constant, the Snake is the first major new system on this year's budget, with all other military funding having gone to improving training and updating existing equipment.

22-05-2003, 01:35

The Snake Missile family was unveiled today in three models. The Snake is a high speed long range attack missile with a number of unusual features; chief among these is a lack of any fins or wings. The missile is instead guided by a flexing ramjet booster, the missile actually bends in flight to maneuver. Featuring simple but reliable and redundant inertial and GPS guidance systems as well as in close acquisition and corrections systems, the Snake will wend its way "unerringly" to the target, while its carefully tested shell provides better protection to the missile than formerly standard in the Tahar Joblis armed forces and a deceptively small radar profile. Tests of the first Snake missiles showed a high approach speed (classified but OOCly mach 4.2) and extraordinarily good penetration characteristics against hardened ground targets.

Tahar Joblis is looking for allies willing to aid in manufacture this missile and may also license out the design.

Snake S
Surface launched missile. Hex Box compatible.
Length: 23'4"
Diameter: 20"
Weight: 3600 lbs
Warhead: 750 lbs
Range: 800 miles (1300 km)

Snake A
Air launched missile.
Length: 12'0"
Diameter: 18"
Weight: 1200 lbs
Range: 750 miles (1200km)
Warhead: 500 lbs

Snake ER
Missile booster is 2500 lbs and 8' by 30"; adds 500 miles to range.

23-05-2003, 05:19

The TJAF unveiled today a new model of light attack/scout helicopter with an eye towards its new missile system.

The TJAH-2 Bumblebee is capable of deploying the Snake A, with most variants rated to deploy the 1200 pound missile under cowbat conditions. It is a one person scout chopper, although it is possible for another person to cram in the stowage area behind the pilot seat for a short uncomfortable amount of time. Armored in large part with lightweight ceramics and built mostly out of plastics and composites to save weight and metal (which is difficult to come by in Tahar Joblis), it also has a small radar signature as a result. A mast mount provides for better spotting and communications.

TJAH-2 Bumblebee
Fuselage Length: 28'
Rotor Diameter: 25'
Height: 13' including mast mount.
Maximum Speed: 200 mph
Climb rate: 40'/sec
Empty Weight: 1500 lbs (varies by model)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 3600 lbs
Range: 300 miles
Armament:

TJAH-2A:
20mm cannon, chin turret. Total payload 1200 lbs
Underbelly missile mount, removable bomblet rack (for 5-20lb incendiaries; rack wt 50 lbs, max load 350 lbs), twin hard belly mounts for (up to 500 lb) bombs. (only one of these three can be in use at once...)
2 detachable wingmounts, with either (if any)
7x66mm rocket pods (200 lbs each)
20mm cannon with ammo (400 lbs each)
3 light air to air missiles (500 lbs each mount)
25mm cannon with ammo (600 lbs each)
40mm grenade machine gun and .50 cal MG with ammo (350 lbs each)

TJAH-2G:
40mm grenade machine gun, chin turret. Total max payload 1300 lbs.
Underbelly missile mount, internal side bomblet racks (for 5-20lb incendiaries; max load 300 lbs).
2 detachable wingmounts, with either (if any)
7x66mm rocket pods (200 lbs each)
20mm cannon with ammo (400 lbs each)
3 light air to air missiles (500 lbs each mount)
25mm cannon with ammo (600 lbs each)
40mm grenade machine gun and .50 cal MG with ammo (350 lbs each)

TJAH-2I:
Chin turret and side/rear firing flamethrower system.
Internal belly mounted bomblet racks (up to 200 lbs of 5-20 lb bomblets)
Fixed wing mounts w/20mm cannon and 40mm grenade launcher each.

TJAH-2K:
30mm cannon, chin turret. Total max payload 1000 lbs.
2 belly mount hardpoints, either up to 500 lb bomb, 7x90mm rocket pds, or 3 light AA missiles each.

TJAH-2M:
Chin mounted 66mm rocket launcher. 1200 pound max payload:
Underbelly missile mount.
2 detachable wingmounts, with either (if any)
7x66mm rocket pods (200 lbs each)
20mm cannon with ammo (400 lbs each)
3 light air to air missiles (500 lbs each mount)
25mm cannon with ammo (600 lbs each)
40mm grenade machine gun and .50 cal MG with ammo (350 lbs each)

The TJAH-2 Bumblebee will be available for export.

02-06-2003, 18:26

Today, the NDOTJ, amidst a declaration of war against Nanakaland, announced that they have secured permission to start construction on the (until recently tabled) new class of cruiser, utilizing the more advanced features of the TJS Octopus, which remains unmatched for speed, firepower, armor, and range among NDOTJ vessels with its persistant upgrades.

"Although we've been stockpiling titanium for years," stated NDOTJ engineer Manny Whiliker, "we still don't have enough to plate more than one Great Blue class vessel with Octopus type armor. "The TJAF gets most of it, to be honest."

The Great Blue is expected to displace 20,000 tons - half the displacement of the TJS Octopus, but more than the Squid class vessels, which displace 16,000 tons fully loaded. A handy comparison chart follows:

Comparisons:
-----------------------Squid-----Octopus-Great Blue
Displacement(tons): 16,000----40,000--20,000
Length(feet):-------- 700'-------810'-----650'
Beam(feet):--------- 70'--------101'------80'
Crew*:--------------- 700-------1,100----750
*Does not include Marine complement (100, 200, and 150 respectively)

The Great Blue is expected to mount two Hex Box systems and a three 16" cannon turret as its primary armament and is expected to have a speed profile more closely matching the Octopus than the Squid; its price tag to the NDOTJ is estimated to be claser as well.

As well as the Great Blue, a new Finback class carrier has begun construction; the new carrier is expected to display several improvements over its predecessors, which have displayed shortcomings over the years.

A suspicious number of parts appear to have been costructed previously, implying that the NDOTJ has been waiting for a good excuse to start new construction; they are also asking to start work on a new class of "swift escort vessels".

03-06-2003, 13:47

Work is progressing nicely on the TJS Great Blue and the NDOTJ has secured permission to finish parts testing and build the first of a new fast support vessel class, the Porpoise. There has been no word as of yet on the size of the vessel, but it is being billed as a "Light ship able to keep pace with the capital [ie, Octopus and Great Blue type] vessels with missile capability."

The NDOTJ is still seeking large quantities of titanium.

04-06-2003, 03:10

The new Finback class carrier, the TJS Stormspawn, measures 715' long and will be launched shortly.

Work continues on the TJS Great Blue, although a titanium source to produce sister ships of her class has not yet been secured.

04-06-2003, 18:45

The TJS Stormspawn measuring 715' long, was launched today in a small ceremony. This marks a substantial addition to the force projection abilities of Tahar Joblis, bringing the total number of seaborne carriers to five.

Looming over the proceedings, however, was the specter of the nearly complete Great Blue, which promises to add substantial firepower and slugging power to the NDOTJ. Mounting up to 12" of expensive but extremely durable Octopus style armor, the Great Blue is several times as well armored as the slightly less massive but lengthier Squid missile cruisers, which mount up to 10" of more conventional armor plate, with nearly as good point defense systems. Althoughg it mounts only two Hex Box system as opposed to the three of the Squids, the Great Blue also carries three 16" guns in a forward turret markedly similar to those of the Octopus (and Iowa class battleships) improved ammunition stores, and more numerous secondary weapons systems - such as a total of five 5" gun turrets and computer-integrated integrated systems of AA batteries and ASW systems. While approximately mounting the same firepower as a dedicated Squid for taking out large ship targets, the Great Blue is expected to excell its considerbly less expensive rival in endurance, speed, and in dealing with submarines and aircraft; while having less inital strike penetration than the 21 Snake missiles between reloads for bombardment, the Great Blue's 16" guns and maximum of 14 Snake launches between reloads can lay down withering bombardment more cheaply, consistantly, and for longer.

The NDOTJ is still looking for sources of titanium to build sister ships of the Great Blue cruiser class.

05-06-2003, 01:05

Having at long last obtained more titanium, the construction of four sister ships in the Great Blue class has begun in a massive effort taking up more dockyard space than any time since the massive production of Kraken destroyers for export.

The TJS Great Blue has been launched this evening in a ceremony attended by a very large crowd.

Great Blue Class Cruiser:
Displacement: 20,000 tons
Length: 650'
Beam: 80'
Top Speed: [not released, but clearly over 40 knots]
Armor: up to 12" Octopus class titanium alloy/composite.
Armament:
3 16" guns (front turret) 5 Phalanx systems with Pike supplementary systems, 3 twinned 5" gun turrets (sides and aft), 2 configurable Hex Box systems (7 large tubes, which may be subdivided for smaller missiles), 4 twin tube torpedo systems, experimental undermount counterlaunch system, tower mount [CLASSIFIED], 2 quad harpoon launchers, helipad, integrated AA systems and countermeasures.
Crew: 750+150 Marines.

07-06-2003, 18:11

Today another Great Blue class cruiser was launched, named the Last Fathom.

08-06-2003, 04:19

Today saw the launch of a third Great Blue class cruiser, the Lucky Penny, and an announcement of delays in the construction of the fourth and fifth ships of the series. Instead, the NDOTJ and TJAF jointly released a new program, the fast striking Porpoise carrier and the STOLs designed to use it.

Porpoise Class Stealth Aircraft Carrier:
Length 360'
Beam 50'
High Powered Retracting catapult, 2 Phalanx w/Pike augment system, 2 torpedo tubes (fore) 6 torps each, antiair missile tubes (mounted behind catapult).
Top Speed 40 kts.
Carries a total of 14 aircraft including an STOL squadron of 12, a TJS-1 Zephyr, and a TJAH-2 Bumblebee.
Displacement 2700 tons fully loaded.
The Porpoise is designed with care to minimize all signatures from acoustic pings from beneath to radar from above, and even can generate its own fog bank, utilizing many of the same features as the smaller light stealth destroyer and then some. Although cramped, a well trained flight crew can raise and launch a plane in a minute and a half, or the entire load over the space of about twenty minutes.

TJF-7 Firefly
Maximum Speed 1200 mph (Mach 1.9)
Ceiling 51,000' Range: 600-800 miles, 1000-1200 with external fuel tank.
Wingspan: 32'
Length: 56'
Height: 15'
Empty Weight: 23,500 pounds.
Max Takeoff Weight: 42,000 pounds.
Maximum External Payload: 8,000 pounds.
Fixed weapons mounts: 2 x 20mm cannon.
Typical full strike configuration: 6 Snake or other cruise missiles, 3 light air to air missiles. Full AA config: 6 heavy AA missiles, 4 light AA missiles. Ground attack: 2 light AA, 2 7x66mm rocket pods, asssorted bombs. STOL craft designed to take off from the Porpoise class carriers (high powered catapult +200' of narrow strip low off the water) and can also manage with 500' of rough strip in the field. It is primarily designed with water landings in mind, and stores compactly.

TJF-7A Firefly Variant: In place of the twinned 20mm cannon, the 7A variant carries the custom 32mm Candle cannon and increased internal ammuniton stores. Carrying a full load of ammo reduces the 7A's maximum external payload to 5,500 pounds; in standard firing mode, the cannon fires 3,600 rounds per minute of an alternating sequence pattern that includes six different types of ammunition, including titanium jacketed tungsten armor piercing rounds, high explosive penetration rounds, high explosive incendiary rounds, splash incendiary rounds, separating sabot tandem charge armor pnetrating rounds, and tracers. TJF-7A test pilots have often been overheard singing "Will you light my candle..." during pratice firing runs, which have demonstrated the Candle's accuracy and potency against a large variety of targets. TJF-7A in full strike configuration carry 4 Snake or other cruise missiles and 2 light AA missiles; against air targets, they carry four each of heavy and light AA missiles; typical ground attack configuration includes 2 light air to air missiles and assorted bombs.

TJF-8 Ghost
Maximum Speed 600 mph (Mach 0.9)
Ceiling 50,000'
Range: 700 miles loaded, 850 miles unloaded
Wingspan: 28'
Length: 50'
Height: 12'
Empty Weight 19,000 lbs
Maximum takeoff weight 32,000 lbs
Armament: 1 20mm cannon, up to 4,000 pounds of ordinance in internal bomb bay, up to 4 drones. Full Strike Configuration allows for 3 Snake A missiles, although no missile larger than 15' x 2' may be dropped from the bay. STOL craft designed to take off from the Porpoise class carriers (high powered catapult +200' of narrow strip low off the water) and can also manage with 500' of rough strip in the field. It is primarily designed with water landings in mind, and stores well. The TJF-8 Ghost is, as the name implies, a stealth/low profile attack craft, although it is not as stealthy as widely advertized "stealth" craft in as many ways, it is still a fairly difficult to detect plane, particularly for those not expecting it and using secondhand equipment during poor weather.

09-06-2003, 02:17

Admiral Stromsveldt released a statement today.

"With recent developments in naval engineering and production, I'm proud to say that our Navy is not only world class, but that also it may soon show other navies to be second class knockoffs incompetently welded into inflexible arrays. Not, I dare not hesitate to add, that we have any intention of using our fleet militaristically."

16-06-2003, 23:21

Today it was announced that field testing and deployment of the TJF-8 Ghost was a complete success.

"Where? We're not telling you where. How about you tell US where we tested it? Ha! That's the whole point of so called stealth aircraft!"

20-06-2003, 16:16

Today crowds of protestors gathered to complain about the high cost and relatively small utility of the new TJF-8 Ghost stealth STOL fighter. A commitee to look into the matter of the cost overruns in the Ghost has been convened, and construction of a new facility to produce, among other things, Ghosts, has been potsponed indefinitely.

20-06-2003, 16:43

20-06-2003, 17:48

Noting Tahar Joblis' categorical denial of what is clearly a foolish concept, we too deny any success or even attempts or thoughts of doing such a thing ourselves. Just to be clear, there is no military use for giant, powerful squids....none whatsoever.

None.

You could make sushi for your sailors. :)
TJ, I am glad someone focuses on navy, as opposed to WMDs, army, aircraft-only.

We could, I suppose... if we weren't all vegetarian by law in Tahar Joblis.

*bows*

Well, concentrating on a navy seemed to make sense as a small island nation... and as time goes on and problems pop up in the NS world, we've found having a good navy to be a very good idea.

20-06-2003, 17:55

TJ, would you be interested in joining in the Naval Expansion Program that I am in?

It was started back in March (RT) and for the past 1-2 weeks I am furthering that expansion. Please telegram me, I wish to discuss this in private.

20-06-2003, 18:06

Telegram sent. Do remember I'm a busy fellow and might not always reply very quickly though... have patience.

21-06-2003, 03:36

Tahar Joblis today has completed the outfitting and testing of its new OPS infantry combat system and a third powered armor chassis, called by some the Panther and officially dubbed the ORO suit - Omnichassis Realtime Operator suit.

The OPS system is an advanced but lightweight unpowered camoflage armor with inset shielded comm systems. Featuring miniturized computer tracking and sensory enhancement systems, the OPS helmet provides low light and infrared enhancements as well as a target tracking and acquisition systems. Titanium alloy plates and bands reinforce the fibre weave and distribute the impact from small arms fire; most small arms fire is stopped dead, with only the transmission of momentum to most of the body being an incovenience. Smart carbon filaments slowly flex dents from higher caliber (non AP higher caliber) rounds back into shape, and an outer coating provides drab outline-fuzzing camoflage and dampens the IR signature of the wearer. A full seals and filtering allow for protection against chemical warfare, while optional air tanks allow for underwater work.

The OPS computer also can load blueprints or map files, projecting accurately from visuals, inertial tracker, and GPS readings what "should" be there behind concealment; it also project firing arcs from the OPS weapons.

The OPS system is designed to link with and provide easy storage for (and for ammunition for) the OPS carbine submachine gun (.30 caliber, burst ROF 900 rds/min [default burst 5 rounds, clip 30 rounds]) the OPS pistol (.40 caliber AP rounds, magazine 16 rounds) and OPS support package (40mm grenade launcher revolver with short range flamethrower left barrel, short shotgun barrel right, grenade barrel top; length 15", accuracy limited). The OPS weapons are designed for mobility and accuracy rather than range and power, allowing OPS equipped commandos to win the day. The OPS system will not be produced in great quantities.

The ORO (Panther) is an intermediate powered battle armor suit designed somewhere between the ICE and the UBU, both in size and role. The UBU - with its rockets, grenade machine gun, submachine guns, and high mobility - is rated as a heavy flanker, meant to decimate tanks in close quarters (using anti-tank rockets and its superior mobility and stealth) and infantry on the open field (with its GMG and secondary guns). The ICE is meant primarily as a supporting incendiary unit, with little firepower beyond its flamethrowers, far lighter armor, less speed, and being little larger than an unarmored infantryman.

The ORO is bipedal and humanoid (unlike the UBU). Measuring at a bit under 8 feet tall (7'8"), it is noticably larger than the ICE (7'0"), and masses correspondingly more (~800 lbs unloaded). While the ICE features relativel exposed fuel/ammunition tanks and a high efficiency generator/converter for manufacturing crude fuel on the spot, the ORO mounts no such exposed tanks. A small internal supplmental tank is designed for emergency field use in converting fuel from on hand materials, but the converter works slowly and the tank supplies only a brief time on full power, truly for emergency use only. The ORO mounts a 20mm cannon in one heavily reinforced arm, and carries nearly 200 pounds of mixed ammunition for it. This proves to be the dominant feature of the Panther, although a smaller nozzle beside the cannon reveals a small flamethrower (smaller, that is, than those mounted on the ICE) which has limited ammunition. As the cannon barrel goes past the hand on that arm, it can be a little awkward hadling two-handed tasks while suited. The other arm mounts an integrated automatic grenade launcher (burst ROF 180 rpm, three round burst or single fire). The smart OPS style firing system enables easy selection on ammo types on the fly; an over-the-shoulder missile launcher is also maneuvered by a handle with this arm, allowing ORO suited troopers to engage armored and flying targets with relative ease. The Panther mounts nearly the same degree of armor protection and signature shielding as the UBU, although with less effort due to its smaller size. The Panther is also more vulnerable to minefields and general damage due to its bipedal shape, but allows for use of tools, an invaluable ability in street and trench warfare; with a top sustained speed of 30 mph, the Panther moves slower than the UBU but faster than infantrymen and some vehicles. The Panther can be geared for underwater use with some modification.

21-06-2003, 20:57

Today two new Great Blue class cruisers were launched, the TJS Stormbreaker and the TJS Tsunami. NDOTJ authorities stated that, although the Great Blue class has not yet seen action, it has exceeded all expectations thus far.

Today sees the TJS Octopus in dock for overhauls as well, with thorough inspections and analysis of its long term use.

25-06-2003, 07:00

Tahar Joblis today announced the development of a new rifle series.

For years, the army has complained about their substandard equipment; only a few units in the regular army have been well equipped, with special forces receiving more attention recently and the Navy dominating military spending. This may change, depending on whether or not Tahar Joblis finds a partner to manufacture the new rifles, bulk production of which is not slated to begin in the numbers needed to make either of them standard equipment.

However, the spec ops divisions in the Tahar Joblissan military are proud that one of the few elements missing from the OPS system has been filled - a domestically produced, high quality, easily portable sniper rifle.

Many years went into this project, the ammunition alone being developed by a team of several dozen scientists over the course of a year and a half, after which the rifle underwentyet another reengineering. Meet... the TJSC-25AP.

(Regretfully, I have no picture.)

Overall Length: 30"
Barrel Length: 20"
Action: Specialized bolt
Clip: 12 rounds
Ammunition: .25 caliber deep striking high powered tungsten-cored penetrator rounds.
Weight: 12.8 lbs unloaded, 13.4 lbs unloaded with water webbing, clip weight 2.6 pounds, bipod weight 0.5 pounds, default scope weight 0.3 pounds (16.8 pounds fully loaded).

Built in an unconventional style more resembling the bullpup configuration of gun rather than the long rifle, the TJSC-25AP is unusually short for a sniper rifle. A rough diagram (sans handgrips) is below; in brief, a wide stock designed to accept (not quickly, one must admit) the 12 round clip, which is divided into upper and lower sections, each half large enough to hold 12 cartridges. A simple bolt slide on the side of the rifle ejects the spent casing into the lower half (which begins empty) and slides the new cartridge into the firing position. A large and carefully engineered baffle absorbs most of the muzzle flash and as much of the sound as possible. This baffle requires careful recalibration or replacement every few thousand shots, or it begins to echo the sound less destructively, making for a louder and more noticable bang coming from the shooter. The barrel of the rifle is thick and of a carefully engineered alloy; a thick webbing filled with about 8 fl oz of water provides quick cooling of the barrel and a lower IR profile for the gun, although it may be removed to save weight. Recoil is well compensated for. It exceeded all expectations at the 100-1000-meter test range by the sniper experts of the army, in the end surpassing the goals set for the program.

There are a few known problems. The rifle is rather heavy in spite of its compact size; if the last cartidge is ejected hastily with the rifle pointed downwards, it may jam, leaving the empty clip difficult to remove. The relatively small caliber of the bullet has been the subject of some complaints, in spite of the bullets' mass and penetration power being fully equal if not superior to the .308 caliber common to sniper rifles from other countries. Users are trained on the massive Rumsudois, which have far greater stopping power and 0.64 caliber (117 mm long) rounds. The Rumsudoi, however, is neither compact, easily transported, or remotely concealable.

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After developing this rifle, our technicians realized that, by loosening quality control, removing the water cooling system, changing the action, and dropping the suppressor, they could make a potent carbine at little more R&D costs. The structural resemblance is striking, and the range and power still quite remarkable, although accuracy suffers noticably and stealth in operation is nonexistant. Fires in semiautomatic or three bullet burst mode, with empty cartridges being ejected as normal for such guns. It also loads clips quickly, and uses a sliding barrel/jacket recoil compensation system (which works well with the heavy barrel).

Overall Legnth: 25"
Barrel Length: 20"
Clip: 30 rounds
Action: Auto/semi-auto
Weight: 10.6 lbs unloaded, clip weight 5.3 lbs.

Tahar Joblis is looking to licens out manufacture of these weapons to someone else in order to supply the army; someone with resources and good quality control. Otherwise, the regular army won't get many of these new toys, only the spec ops.

30-06-2003, 15:43

Tahar Joblis is finally retiring its old Tentacle class cruisers, which will be replaced by the Tentacle II class, expected to rol off the production line shortly.

Recent advances in materials and aerospace engineering hint of a release of an upgrade to the mast maneuverable fighter in the TJAF, the TJF-2 Lightning Bolt. The TJF-2A is rumored to have a more powerful engine and a lighter dry weight, allowing for a superior craft with a complete structural rebuild. The TJA is rumored to have several new designs on the board, as soon as funding can be procured for them. This may take a little while, between the costs of military action in Allanea and building the new Tentacle II class cruisers.

02-07-2003, 15:32

Tentacle II class:
Length: 580'
Beam: 56'
Displacement: 10,500 tons
Armament:
2 Hex Box multimissile systems
2 12" guns (fore turret)
2 5" guns (sides)
2 8" guns (aft turret)
4 twinned manned 20mm cannon mounts
Pike Augmented CIWS.
Crew: 400 (+ 50 marine complement)
Armor Belt: 8" weave enhanced steel.

The Tentacle II class cruiser represents a bold move backwards* by the NDOTJ, reiventing the cruiser as an armored bombardier once more. Although the Tentacle II does mount advanced missile systems, it also carries a mixed battery of heavy guns to provide naval fire support for ground actions near the coast. With two nuclear power plants and a similar advanced electric drive as found on the Octopus, the Tentacle II is as swift as it is imposing. Some designers wished to concentrate fully on missiles, but two Hex Box launchers were deemed sufficient to deal with most threats. In a nostalgic move, manned twinned 20mm cannon mounts were placed around the vessel. Then again... perhaps they are there in case of sabotage or weaponry disabling the power systems.

The Tentacle II has an 8" layered armor plating. Although primarily steel, the armor has been painstakingly inlaid with layers of polymer fibers, producing an armor that resists penetration and fatigue noticably better than the steel alone. Thus, the Tentacle II is not that far off than the Squid class in protection (the Squid class has 12" armor belt).

Today four ships of this class were launched in a bold ceremony; it seems although the war in Allanea may last long enough to see Tentacle IIs deployed there.

12-07-2003, 11:54

Details on the TJF-2A were leaked today at the release of the first of the latest series in aircraft designs, the TJF-10* Chimera.

The TJF-2A reportedly has nearly twice the standard missile payload, improved engine power, 60%+ more range, and a lighter dry weight.

TJF-10 Chimera:
The TJF-10 Chimera multirole fighter/bomber uses a multiconfigurable wing surface to convert between a straightwing "cruise" mode for precision bombing, a delta configuration for speed, and a forward swept configuration for high maneuverability (expressed in the TJF-1, TJF-2, and TJB-2 designs) in air-to-air fighting. In a significant departure from standard TJAF design protocols, the Chimera mounts no gun ports, only payload bays and hardpoints.

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Top Speed: 1750 mph (in delta configuration)
Empty Weight: 38,000 pounds.
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 80,000 pounds.
Range: 4000 miles with external tanks, 3200 miles typical load without, 2800 with maximum payload (these range figures assume single-configuration, maximum efficiency bombing run flight for the duration...)
Maximum External Payload 20,000 lbs.
Crew: 1.

*OOC: Observant folks may have noticed that I've skipped from TJF-8 to TJF-10. Yes, there is a reason.

18-07-2003, 16:38

OOC: Today, classifications. I think I'm going to officially categorize my naval listings, and pull up a nice comparison chart. Any comments on what classes I'm missing would be helpful.

Battleship or Dreadnaught classes:
The purpose of the battleship, or dreadnaught, is to provide massive overwhelming firepower matched with heavy armor. A fleet centerpiece and proud display of national might, but does in most cases fairly little of the actual work.
Octopus (NJ) 810'x101' 40,000td 45+ kts 18"O C1100+200 PD SAM 16" 10"A HXB LT
Ferret (NT) 962'x125'x40', 54,500(70,250) TD, 41 kts, 2S+6V, C970+100+80 PD SAM SK 16" 5" 32mm HXB TT

Battlecruiser classes:
The battlecruiser was generally an attempt to match cruiser speed with either battleship class armor or firepower. After some consideration, ihe Great Blue, with armor protection better to many historical battleships and high speed outmatching most cruisers, seems to fit in this category. Formerly, I've simply referred to it as a heavy cruiser.
Great Blue(NJ) 650'x80' 20,000td 40+ kts 12"O C750+150 PD 16" 5" HXB LT

Cruiser classes:
The cruiser is the main line of battle for the modern navy. Mobile, often nuclear powered, and well supplied with munitions, many modern cruisers carry neither guns nor much armor. The NDOTJ generally disagrees with those policies, but nonetheless has moved to keep modern with point defense, missile systems, and nuclear power.
Squid(NT) 700'x70' 16,000td 36kts 12"S C700+100 PD 5" HXB LT
Tentacle II (NJ) 580'x56' 10,500td 40kts 8"C C400+50 PD 5" 8" 12" HXB LT
Tentacle(dec) (CT) 500-505'x56-58' 7,000-7,500td 30kts 6"S C400+50 PD 5" HP

Destroyer classes:
A destroyer is a ship designed to hunt and take out other ships and often submarines. Although not carrying the firepower of a cruiser or the power plants, destroyers are nonetheless fast and deadly enough... although fragile. Relatively fragile. Our destroyers are also is a bit on the lighter side than most, although they generally fill the same tactical role.
Sea Serpent (NJ) 600'x40'x11' 4,100(3600) TD, C160+10, PD SAM SK V-S TT
Kraken (CT) 400'x42' 3,700td 36kts C250 PD 5" HXB

Corvette classes:
A corvette or frigate is a rather flexible term. Generally, it refers to an escort class of vessel, designed to guard or support larger vessels. I've moved the rather anonymous "light destroyer" in here due to its relatively small size.
Ink (CT) 370'x40' 3,400td 30kts C200+100 PD HP
Light Destroyer class (CT) 300'x32' 1,900 td C100 5" HP
LSD (CJ) 200'x25' 650td 40kts C30 HP RL
Serpent Light Missile Corvette (CJ) 180'x40' 580 TD 42 kts 5" SN HP

Attack Boats:
A "boat" refers to the host of smaller vessels... and we do indeed have them, ranging from the unclassed and variable H-boats to missile boats... figures here are typical figures.

Spitting Cobra Heavy Missile Boat (CJ) 155'x32' 417 TD 45 kts SN HP
ISIV (HF) 150'x30' 300 TD 45+kts C28 SK LSM 32mm
Goldfish Light Missile Boat (CJ) 120'x30' 180 TD 45 kts SN Can
H-PT (CT) 100'x20' 120td 40kts 6"S C12 AA 6" TP
A-boat (CJ) 50'x5' 40td 30kts C8 10"

Aircraft Carrier classes:
The aircraft carrier is the central ship of the US Navy. This is not so particularly the case with the NDOTJ; our aircraft carriers tend to run smaller and less well supplied than the Nimitz... and carry fewer aircraft of smaller size. TJ naval doctrine relies primarily on air superiority fighters, with ship-hunting left in large part to other ships.
Walrus(NJ) 795'x70' 15,000td 40kts C800+850 40W PD
Finback(NT) 710-715'x100' 23,000-26,000td 32kts C1200+1200 50W 6-10V 10" PD
Harrow Reef(NJ)700'x85' 18,000td 36kts 8"C C940+820 108G+6S 5" PD HXB

Escort Carrier classes:
Escort carriers are limited in the types of planes that can be carried, and carry fewer, but are more available and cheaper to operate.
Dolphin(CJ) 480'x80' 9,500td 40kts C400+360 20S 4V
Porpoise(CJ) 360'x50' 2,700td 40kts C100+120 12S 1V 1R

18-07-2003, 20:32

OOC: Nobody has anything to say about the classification systems or gaps in my ship production lines?

With hostilities possibly reaching to Tahar Joblis itself, work on a second Walrus class carrier and two Tentacle II light cruisers has continued at a breakneck pace to put the ships into working order before any invaders arrive. A single Tentacle II class cruiser and a Dolphin escort carriers were launched yesterday, but work in those berths has been shifted over to outfitting H-boats refitting civilan craft to provide emergency naval defense rather than new full sized warships. All around the homeland, forces are on high alert and people are moving on the waters.

24-07-2003, 21:32

OOC: In the light of some unrealistic missile boat designs floating around NS, I've decided to develop a couple realistic one ala Tahar Joblissan missile base. It's worth noting that current global RL deployment of missile boats between 50 and 600 tons is about 700, with most used by smaller navies.

Typical of Tahar Joblissan designs, these are fuel efficient and low emissions vehicles.

Spitting Cobra Heavy Missile Boat:

The Spitting Cobra is an advanced long range missile boat design made to take full advantage of the Snake missile system. With a six-slot fixed forward position containing three Snake S and three Snake ER missiles, the Spitting Cobra can engage targets at extraordinary ranges. Four swiveling twinned 20mm cannon are intended to provide for close range defense, with an eight cell Sea Sparrow (or other similar 500 pound SAM) launch system providing for longer range anti-air support. Two side missile turrets have magazine fed light missile tubes (Stinger or similar) for close work (12 missile feed) a single heavier SSM (Exocet, Harpoon, Gabriel, Hsuing Feng, Type 90, or similar) and an anti-submarine rocket. Several export models are also being considered for production; as the Snake missile is rare outside Tahar Joblis (and not for general export) and the close structural requirements of the fixed 30 degree missile system, we will list all available variants. The Spitting Cobra is dominated by its large radar system, but maintains a reasonably quiet subsurface profile; combined with its quite modern jet drive. The Spitting Cobra mounts fixed distinctive solar panels and has a processor designed to handle and distill certain breeds of Tahar Joblissan engineered seaweed.

Missiles not included in export.

Displacement: 417 tons.
Speed: 45 kts
Length: 155'
Beam: 32'
Draft: 7'
Armament: 3 Snake S, 3 Snake ER, four 20mm cannon mounts, 2 missile station, 8 cell Sea Sparrow.
Reliable all-weather range: 3200 nm @ 15 kts.

Alternative Missile Stations on Export Models:
A.) 6 Tomahawk
B.) 2 Sandbox (this version's missile box protrudes several feet from the front of the boat).
C.) 3 3M-54E1 Klub missiles, 3 Styx missiles.
D.) 6 C-101
E.) 3 Tomahawk, 5 Harpoon
F.) 12 Exocet MM40 (this version has a visibly larger surface portion, and provides a different sort of tactical missile support role.

Serpent Light Missile Corvette:
A heavier missile boat with some armor and many of the same features. Includes four additional SAM launch cells, a light 5" gun, two additional 20mm stations, and three missile stations with paired anti-sub rockets, paired light SSMs, and 18 reloads for the Stinger-size tube. Mounts same main missile tubes and variants available. Roll-out solar panels provide for supllementary power, but not as effectively as the Spittng Cobra - nor as vulnerable in combat.

Displacement: 580 tons.
Length: 180'
Beam: 40'
Draft: 8'
Speed: 42 kts
Reliable All-weather range: 3600 nm@ 15 kts.

Goldfish Light Missile Boat
The Goldfish carries a similar but smaller fixed missile station. A single 32mm Candle gun on a turret dominates the deck and (Candle is also used on the TJF-7A Firefly, 3600rpm, cycles between 6 ammo types for maximum effect) provides for shielded firepower, but anything else must be carried or set up in temporary mounts by the crew on deck. The Goldfish can be used in rivers, even, although this is not recommended with full load, much of which consists of the radar system used to target the Snakes.

Displacement: 180 tons.
Length: 120'
Beam: 30'
Draft: 5'
Armament: Candle 32mm gun, 2 Snake S, 2 Snake ER.
All-weather reliable range: 2000 nm @ 15kts.

Export missile models:
A.) 4 Tomahawk
B.) 1 Shipwreck missile (protrudes from deck a bit more)
C.) 2 3M-54E1 Klub missiles, 2 Styx missiles.
D.) 4 C-101
E.) 8 Exocet MM40 (this version has a visibly larger surface portion, and provides a different sort of tactical missile support role.
F.) 2 Sunburn missiles.
G.) 2 Tomahawk, 4 Harpoon.
H.) 3 Sawhorse

01-08-2003, 17:42

Derieties would be happy to produce the TJSC-25AP and the TJSC-25AP Carbine for the TJ Armed forces. We are also able to supply titanium for your navy if you so wish. In payment for these services, if you choose to take them, we would prefer to arrange something utilizing your extensive knowledge of naval technology, and to avoid monetary exchanges.

Sincerly,

~High Emperor Ka'an of the IDD
Military head of the NATO alliance
Member of CAF
Member of the UTP
Executive Director of UTP Financial
Co-Founder of UTP Financial
IDD Webpage: http://derieties.8k.com

22-08-2003, 20:52

OOC: My apologies for not noticing earlier, I've been a bit busy.

We will be happy to make such arrangements.

01-09-2003, 00:48

Design work has now begun on a new class of heavy support vessel and what may turn out to be a full sized (or nearly full sized) AC-type vessel.

The great cost of building and operating full sized ACs has been the main reason in the past for not using them in the NDOTJ.

09-09-2003, 05:49

Today, amidst shock, jeers, and cheers, a new aircraft carrier was unveiled, the TJS Harrow Reef, and already nicknamed "The Horror".

TJAF officials have long pleaded for a carrier with a total aircraft capacity comparable to the Nimitz; the largest carriers in service currently, the Finback class, carry at most 56-60 aircraft, including up to 50 winged craft - namely, the lighter craft common to the TJAF - while the Nimitz can carry 85 heavier aircraft and support them better. The NDOTJ, however, have been unwilling to invest in a carrier displacing nearly three times as much as the Finback class, requiring two and a half times as much crew, and carrying less than twice the aircraft.*

Rumors that NDOTJ officials had quietly promised TJAF officials a new "Hundred Fighter" aircraft carrier had quietly surfaced in the press, but no confirmation of those rumors could be made... until now.

The TJS Harrow Reef has a list capacity for an airwing of 108 fighters, plus a half dozen support aircraft of "varying types". It also carries fiber reinforced armor plating of similar type and thickness as the Tentacle II class cruiser, two paired 5" gun turrets, a Hex Box missile launcher system, and a plethora of point defense and SAM systems.

In spite of this, the air crew is only 820 - just under a third of the Nimitz - and the total crew tips in at 1760, close to one quarter of the total crew of a Nimitz; as if to add insult to injury, it only displaces 18,000 tons fully loaded - far less than the smallest Finback class carrier, and similar to the overall displacement of the Great Blue battlecruisers.

In spite of this, and the theoretical capability for launching its entire store of fighters in seven minutes, the TJAF appears less than pleased by the Harrow Reef...

Most notably, the carrier's fighter bays are designed strictly to handle fightercraft lighter and smaller than the TJF-3 Mongoose... which means, currently, the TJF-6 Gnat, which is as ineffectual on the whole as it is cheap.

Beam measures 85', length 700'.

*Although it should be said that some experts believe a Nimitz refittied for use with mainly TJF-3 Mongooses and TJF-5 Albatrosses would carry over 110 craft, due to the smaller size and less stringent takeoff requirements than the F-14 and F-18 used on Nimitz class ACs.

_Taiwan

09-09-2003, 06:18

If your nation is replacing it's older A/Cs with your newer ones, are you interested in selling the ROTN (Republic of Taiwan Navy) your older vessels?

09-09-2003, 06:31

If your nation is replacing it's older A/Cs with your newer ones, are you interested in selling the ROTN (Republic of Taiwan Navy) your older vessels?

OOC: Actually, it doesn't look like the Harrow Reef class is going to catch on anytime soon... but...

We can indeed sell you some carriers, generally Walrus class carriers or Dolphin escort carriers; as far as older vessels you may be able to acquire cheaply, I do believe that we have a Walrus class carriers taht we could let go for around $1.3 billion in its current (well used but still usable) condition, and perhaps as many as 3 Dolphin class escort carriers for about $400-$500 million each, depending on current exchange rates and valuations. If you wish more than that, you can order new ones freshly made - we also can produce Finback carriers for you if you wish.

Of note, the Walrus class carries a total of 40 aircraft and can launch most naval fighters in service today with a displacement of 15,000 tons, a total crew of 1750, and a top speed of 40 knots*; 70' beam, 795' in length.

The Dolphin class can launch light and STOL craft, carrying 20 STOL craft and 4 VTOL in standard model.

*This is unusually fast and light as far as carriers go.

_Taiwan

11-09-2003, 06:27

The capabilties of the Walrus are impressive. _Taiwan would like to procure the vessel. The neccesary costs will be wired.

Colonel Ho
Head of ROTN

11-09-2003, 06:35

The capabilties of the Walrus are impressive. _Taiwan would like to procure the vessel. The neccesary costs will be wired.

Colonel Ho
Head of ROTN

The vessel is now en route amidst a heavy NDOTJ escort. Expect it to arrive soon.

11-09-2003, 21:53

With the old Barracuda class submarine having been retired from service recently, (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69775) the NDOTJ has quietly dubbed a new attack submarine with the Barracuda name.

Its appearance is rather unlike the old Barracuda, whose design predated the use of "whale" like nuclear submarines.

Details are sketchy and poorly available to the public, but it appears as though this class is a nuclear powered attack submarine that will be produced in smaller numbers than the older Barracuda class was. The new Barracuda appears to be the deep water king of the NDOTJ submarine fleet, a capital ship for below. It is rumored to have cost significantly more resources and work than the new aircraft carrier, which the TJAF has been expressing disappointment with. It is estimated that there will probably never be more than six vessels in this class. The NDOTJ also announced that it was testing "several" new torpedo types for use with the new Barracuda, nicknamed the "Thousand Fathom Father" after some rumors of its crush depth surfaced.

Utilizing a variety of advanced technologies to reduce acoustic signature from both passive and active sonar systems as well as advanced electric drive systems on a titanium-reinforced hull, the Barracuda will outsneak, outlisten, outrun, outfight, and outdive nearly any other submarine in the water. Designed for multirole operations - as well it needs to be, for its cost - the Barracuda nonetheless is intended to excel in all disparate operations from spec ops support to missile support to hunting enemy submarines. Although it has yet to be proven, the NDOTJ remains confident in it. The TJAF, on the other hand, has been complaining loudly about resource allocation, stating that current NDOTJ submarines have already been amply effective in practice.

Rough Figures, estimated: (OOC: intel available to those with good spies deep in Tahar Joblis - may not be completely accurate or have all details, but pretty good.)
Length: 400'
Beam: 50'
Draft: 40'
Top Speed: In excess of* 30 kts submerged, 15 kts surface.
Displacement: 12,000 tons, 16,000 submerged.
Safe Depth: 3,800'
Never Exceed Depth: 4,700'
Crush Depth: 5,700'
Armament: Fixed VLS Snake SM cells (4) and ER Snake SM cells (2), 6 ER Snake SM total, 24 Snake SM-S, 8 Snake SM-V total. 6 bow torpedo tubes, 3 aft, 2 pair specialized mine/light torpedo tubes (1 fore, 1 aft); carries an estimated total of 24 mines and 60 torpedos of varying classes in standard configuration.
Systems: Radar systems, passive intereference-pickup integrated sonar system, active sonar, towed array, remotes, pair deep underwater manned maneuvering units, UBU Hatch, ECM, decoys, assorted countermeasures and analysis systems.
Crew: 58+12 marines.**
Mission Endurance: 60+ days.

*Definitely so.
**UBU! UBU! UBU!

12-09-2003, 08:05

After late night negotiations between TJAF, NDOTJ, and legislative officials, two brand new Walrus class carriers have begun production next to the second Barracuda submarine, and the TJB-4 project has re-entered testing phases. In other news, the Army is putting off upgrading tanks and delaying slightly on the full integration of the new .25 carbine as its primary infantry weapon due to cost, as well as not beginning construction or design on any new projects, or armor and vehicles.

For [OOC] comparison purposes, the statistics of two modern lighter attack vessels, the Otter submersible and the Manta submarine. (According to current NDOTJ classification doctrine, the old Barricuda was a submersible, and the new one a submarine.) Both are non-nuclear subs. The new Barracuda is the TJSU-700 series.

Otter submersible (TJSS 800 series)
Length: 280'
Beam: 25'
Mean Draft: 15'
Top Speed: 12 kts submerged, 32 kts surface.
Displacement: 1410 tons surface, 2000 submerged.
Safe Depth: 1,200'
Never Exceed Depth: 1,500'
Crush Depth: 1,700'
Armament: 3" gun, Pike Enhanced CIWS, 8 cell Sea Sparrow-like missile VLS, 4 bow torpedo tubes, 2 aft torpedo tubes, carries up to 18 torpedoes, Snake SM-S or Snake SM-V missiles, or twice as many full sized mines.
Systems: Radar systems, passive intereference-pickup sonar system, active sonar, towed array, ECM, decoys, assorted countermeasures and analysis systems.
Crew: 30

Manta submarine (TJSU 600 series)
Length: 200'
Beam: 30'
Draft: 24'
Top Speed: Confirmed 38 kts submerged, 12 kts surface.
Displacement: 1,620 tons surface, 2,000 tons submerged.
Safe Depth: 2,000'
Never Exceed Depth: 2,800'
Crush Depth: 3,400'
Armament: 6 bow torpedo tubes, 2 aft torpedo tubes, 1 light tube fore. Carry a total of 40 torpedoes, Snakes, pairs of light torpedoes, pairs of mines, or trios of a lighter mine model.
Systems: Radar systems, passive intereference-pickup integrated sonar system, active sonar, towed array, remote, ECM, decoys, assorted countermeasures and analysis systems.
Crew: 21

Derto

12-09-2003, 08:42

This thread started way back in January, how can it be alive

12-09-2003, 17:24

Hey as long at the are Jest and Fightersd and bombers that would be great

12-09-2003, 17:48

Hey as long at the are Jest and Fightersd and bombers that would be great

Very well, we are willing to send [an appropriate assortment of planes, largely TJF-3 Mongooses] after receiving [appropriate amount of barter] from Neitzcheans. Check your TMs...

This thread started way back in January, how can it be alive

Oh, well, the issue addressed by this thread is still active, although there have been some quiet times for it now and then.

12-09-2003, 18:17

What would you liek in treun for the Palnes?

12-09-2003, 18:39

What would you liek in treun for the Palnes?

We prefer large quantities of steel, copper, titanium, and tungsten; uranium (enriched or unenriched) is also quite welcome.

12-09-2003, 19:03

I can get the Uiranum how much would you like?

12-09-2003, 20:05

Given current prices (IRL: $11/pound), we would be asking around 20,000 standard tons of uranium (18,000 metric tons.) We've been using a great deal of it and are looking to replentish our strategic stockpile.

13-09-2003, 01:14

I will see if i can get that much for you

14-09-2003, 04:41

I haev the Urianum in Enriched Form

14-09-2003, 05:00

I haev the Urianum in Enriched Form

Done deal.

14-09-2003, 05:24

How meny planes is that agian?

19-09-2003, 05:57

The first of three currently planned nuclear dreadnaughts has been, after some delay, finally released. Currently, the last three Tentacle II cruisers have been waiting in dock for the dreadnaught to finish final systems tests.

The venerable TJS Octopus has been recently in dock being refitted, inevitably drawing unkind comparisons between the sizes of the two dreadnaughts and the true motivations of the NDOTJ. NDOTJ officials have quietly responded that the TJS Octopus, although quite noticably smaller than the "Ferret" project being produced for Ferussia, is still a modern and highly capable vessel, fully worthy of being the fleet flagship.

The TJS Tentacle paced the new dreadnaught during systems tests, easily keeping up and firing off its own test rounds as a skeleton crew ran down the systems and checked the drive systems. In a public demonstration, the NDOTJ demonstrated the effects of point blank 5" gun fire against various ship armors. This has assauged public opinion somewhat, but it appears that the collective pride of Tahar Joblis is willing to move naval resources into a few more dreadnaughts of its own.

Project "Ferret" Dreadnaught:

Beam: 125'
Length: 962'
Maximum Draft: 40'
Light Displacement: 54,400 tons
Full Displacement: 70,250 tons
Aircraft: 4 TJAH-1 or similar (aft hangar, heavy attack chopper) 2 TJAH-2 or similar (2 small hangars starboard and port, scout chopper) 2 TJF-7 or 7A Firefly.
Maximum Speed: 41 kts
Armament:
12 16"/50 guns (2 triple turrets aft, 2 triple turrets fore; foremost turret offset to starboard)
2 Light 5" guns (starboard, port, individual turrets)
Pike Enhance/Phalanx CIWS, 8 20mm mounts (around ship)
1 Pair of Candle 32mm gatlings as a flak cannon mount amidships
7 triple torpedo tubes (1 aftmost, others spread)
2 Hex Box systems (fore/aft, near center and elevated; Hex Box system is a subdivisible 7 cell launcher, Tomahawk and Snake [TJ missile] compatible. Can also launch 14 Harpoon or SM-2, or 42 specialized Sea Sparrow, combinations thereof, and a variety of other missiles. This is also found on the Tentacle II class.)
4 Quad SAM boxes, 16 missiles each (much like the Russian S-300F)
8 Sucker heavy antiship missiles (TJ manufacture - we send blueprints for them with the ship if you buy it), fixed forward mounts (under airstrip, 30 degree elevation. Mach 3.5, 2.5 sea level, range 300 nm.)
Crew: 970 + 100 marines + 80 air crew.

The project, dubbed "Ferret", is an advanced, modern, nuclear powered dreadnaught. With a dozen heavy guns, it can provide more than adequate naval fire support for ground operations. Slightly asymetrical, the lines of the ship lunge out, suggesting its great speed. Like some battleships of old, the "Ferret" project will carry actual planes as well as helicopters for ASW - it has a 250' long airstrip on the left side of its nose, complete with miniature steam catapult and ski jump, to launch a pair of TJF-7 Fireflies. This required moving the foremost 16" gun turret off to the right side of the foredeck, reducing its available firing angles slightly. The ski jump is hardly wasted space though, but the last upthrust of a heavy antiship missile launch system; the 16,000 pound Sucker missiles, 35' long and 3' wide, are emplaced in a fixed, steam accelerated launch system consisting of 150' long tubes placed at a thrity degree elevation. At the last minute of designing the Sucker missile, NDOTJ engineers decided to place an extra half ton of armor on the missile, reducing its range to 300 nautical miles; as a result, the missile is rather more difficult to shoot down than comparable missiles, such as the Granit. A 2500 pound warhead and a speed of mach 2.5 in a final sea-skimming approach vector (missile has final attack options of plunge attack, sea skim attack, or simple attack vector, set at launch) beneath a penetrator head make this missile, although carried in relatively small numbers as a secondary weapon, extremely lethal.

26-09-2003, 18:38

NDOTJ officials announced today the launching of the first of two Tahar Joblissan Ferret dreadnaughts to assauge any "lingering jealousies" in the minds of "certain folks" who disapproved of building the Ferrets for Ferrussia.

NDOTJ officials cited as more important the release of a new heavy destroyer class, which is not slated to fully replace the venerable and versatile Kraken (which remains currently in production, slowly being upgraded.)

The new Sea Serpent class of destroyer, not to be confused with the light missile corvette of a rather similar name, is a revolutionary new design, promising to bring the excellence of NDOTJ engineering beyond the fore of most nations' naval technology, aiding in Tahar Joblis's traditional dominance of the waters.

Mounting the "fully engineered version" of the Sucker anti-ship missile, the Sea Serpent is designed for a very distinct role: Hunting down and taking out enemy ships from beyond the horizon. What few targets capable of surviving bombardment by Snake S and Snake ER missiles stand little chance against the heavily armored Sucker missiles, whose warhead is large enough to crack a hole in the largest battleship.

The Sea Serpent is powered by a single nuclear reactor with a rather underengineered backup system - its sole vulnerability, should anyone manage to strike down the reactor in the heart of the vessel without first demolishing the entire vessel, piece by piece. As may be expected from the name, the Sea Serpent is a slender, long, and extraordinarily flexible ship; its hull construction is nearly entirely out of a very thick series of composite layerings, with carefully engineered slippoints. The hull seals breeches and reforms to its original shape over time, barring massive materials loss; damage control systems are based on flexibility, and the ship itself is designed to survive multiple torpedo hits and return to full combat operational status without requiring any time in dry dock. Careful spacing, layering, and multiple reduncancies on every system but for the main power plant.

With its unusually high speed and shallow draft, the Sea Serpent can outflank nearly any other vessel - most particularly the cruisers, battlecruisers, dreadnaughts, battleships, and carriers it is designed to hunt.

The Sea Serpent's superstructure rides quite high above the water, due to the lighter weight of most of the materials used to construct it; the tall nubs of vertical cell Snake ER launchers provide some slight visual relief in the sleek and nearly featureless design. Missile based, the Sea Serpent carries less of a gun-based throw weight than any previous NDOTJ ship displacing more than 1,000 tons. In fact, a single 3" gun is housed in a covered turret, to only be retracted in emergencies or for use against "small vessels" not worth expending missiles on - contrasted with the two heavily used 5" guns of the Kraken.

Like the Kraken, it carries a single helicopter; generally speaking, it is expected to be more often used in recon missions than ASW, due to the extremely low acoustic profile of the Sea Serpent, as well as its high speed and carefully built "smart" hull.

An aging Admiral Stromsveldt stated that the new destroyer should "confuse the heck out of our enemies" who could easily confuse it for a cruiser or patrol boat, depending on the circumstances, and in either case react to it in a "foolish, rash, and idiotic manner."

Sea Serpent Nuclear Destroyer: (OOC: Full specs not publicly released... good estimates here)
Length: 600'
Beam: 40'
Draft: 11' (full load :shock:)
Maximum Speed: 51 kts
Displacement: 3,600 tons empty, 4,100 tons full load.
Crew: 60 + 10 air crew.
Armament: [classified] point defense systems, AA missiles (80 independent 2-shot cells, networked), 40 vertical launched individual cell Snake S, V, or SG, 16 VL Snake ER, 6 Sucker Missiles (fixed forward mounts), 4 fore torpedo tubes, 2 aft, 12 torpedos, 12 mines.

05-11-2003, 04:54

Today saw loose lips let slip the details behind an interdiction vessel and the close specifications of the TJMBT-2B Goliath, current main battle tank of the eternally cash-strapped Tahar Joblissan Ground Army. (I'm pulling out details on items of note for the WWIX thing...)

TJMBT-2B Goliath:
Mass: 41.5 tons
Overall Length: 33'5"
Chassis Length: 20'6"
Width: 11'6"
Resting Height: 7'0"
Speed: 39 mph top speed; maximum of ~8.5 mph submerged.
Main Gun: 125 mm smoothbore cannon.
-Featuring (well, can feature) new Tahar Joblissan 125mm diameter tank launched missile, the "Coatl II."
-Reselectable autoloader system stores a maximum of 19 rounds; two secondary internal storage locations store an additional 6 rounds each, for a total of 31 rounds.
Secondary armament:
-Coaxial mount .50 cal machine gun and high pressure flamethrower.
-AP shrapnel/smoke grenade system
-Independent swivel mount AA .50 cal MG.
Features and systems:
-"Some" compact mine clearance/terrain clearance equipment; this has been slightly reduced from the previous version.
-Nightvision, infrared, laser guidance systems, etc.
-Rated for up to 560mm ballistic armor protection against frontal attack.
-Track skirts have been added and integrated in the electric armor system for additional protection against track destruction in addition to reducing track failure rate and fording resistance.
-"Electric" armor system for additional protection against shaped charge devices, such as RPGs.
-Improved muffler and catalytic systems have improved fuel economy by a total of 4.2% over the TJMBT-1 and cut emissions by 20%, leaked noise by 38%, and engine heat profile by 11%.
Crew: 3

TJMT-4D Great Toad Tank
Mass: 25 tons
Length: 19'0"
Width: 10'2"
Height: 6'4"
Speed: 41 mph, 10 mph underwater.
Main Gun: 100mm smoothbore cannon
50 rounds ammunition - including the older Coatl I missile, a 100mm diameter minitorpedo.
Secondary Armament:
-Anti-personnel shrapnel system
-Mine clearance system
Features:
-Disposable airdrop extended shocks, heavy shock and terrain support system, allowing for airdrop deployment.
-Electric armor system for additional protection against shaped charge weapons.
-Up to 160mm of ballistic armor protection against frontal attack.
-Fully submersible drop system with extended life support.
-Night vision, laser guidance support, etc.
Crew: 2

Inner Sea Interdiction Vessel:
A hydrofoil patrol vessel designed for interception and blockade keeping. Carries a single Sucker missile, which requires installation in drydock - a feature not, incidentally, advertised by the NDOTJ, which has publicly described this as a patrol and interdiction vessel designed to regulate civilian vessels.
Full load: 300 tons
Armament: 1 Sucker Missile, 1 32mm Candle, 8 light (short-range, subsonic, 500 pound) anti-ship missiles.
Speed: 45 kts
Total crew: 28.

07-11-2003, 18:29

A brief overview of the infantry weapons most commonly found in the hands of the Tahar Joblissan Army (which will be seeing action soon in WWIX):

Official Issue Weapons:
10 weapons, 7 different ammo types. Joy Joy.
TJSC-25AP Sniper Rifle (.25 high grade sniper rifle) The standard sniper rifle of the Tahar Joblissan army. 30", 12 clip, 16.8 lbs fully loaded.
TJSC-25C Rifle A slightly lower grade version, sans baffler and scope features. 25" long, 24 clip, SA, 10.8lbs + 5.3lbs/clip.
OPS Carbine (.30 cal, 900 rpm burst ROF, 30 round clip)
OPS Pistol (.40 cal, 16 round magazine, integral silencer)
OPS Support Weapon Package (40mm grenade launcher/truncated light flamethrower/shotgun)
Rumsudoi Massive .64 cal rifle, 7'3" in length. Available in large quantities with bayonet (8'11") and highly effective as a severely overpowered anti-material rifle.
Taysip Widely available triple-barreled .64 caliber "heavy pistol," breech loaded.
TJAR-MX Rifle (.22 caliber light automatic rifle, 540 rpm burst ROF, 33" [38" w/bayonet] 7 lbs, 7.9 w/bayonet. 48 round clip [4.9 lbs]) A lightweight alternative rifle beginning mass production to flesh out the army's mobility and endurance. Not particularly powerful.
TJAR-MG (+40mm intergral grenade launcher, +2.6 lbs) About 1/4 of rifles produced so far have had an integral single shot grenade launcher attached.
TJSS-4 (Shotgun with underslung 40mm single shot grenade launcher)

Non-native Designs in Common Use:
Joy joy joy... two more types of bullets to track, bringing the total to 9 for personal arms.
AK-47(Commonly used)
G36 (Less common)
G36K (Largely found shipboard)
RPG-7(Common)
Assorted handguns. Very widely assorted handguns. Most TJGA units are not issued a handgun, but are encouraged to carry a backup weapon.

Unofficial issue, but typical to TJGA personnel on duty:
Flame pistol (4 typical brief shots, effective range <100 yards.) Startling, if not particularly effective.
Needler (fires bundles of plastic flechettes. Short range, useless against armor, and extremely nasty. Available in 40mm "carbine" size - foregrip and extended clip, 3.5 lbs unloaded, 6 lbs with full 40-cycle clip - and 30mm pistol, weight 0.925 lbs, 1.25 with full 10-cycle clip.)
.40 cal revolver, 6 shots, lightweight and quite cheap - compatible with OPS ammunition but considerably less expensive than the OPS pistol. Quality, styling, and weight vary. Very common among armor and pilots.
Tripgun (a triple barreled revolving pistol using three different calibers of ammunition in three barrels. Individual weapons vary widely. For those days when the ammo truck didn't come in.)
Chemsquirt It is rumored that these sorts of things may be official issue; a high powered gas-cartridge squirtgun filled with something nasty ... can be something of a surprise. TJGA officials deny that there is any official Chemsquirt program and that any such found in the hands of TJGA personnel are unauthorized, strictly against regulation, etc.

The "Fear" Tank - the demoralizing TJBT-4 Bob/Saur.
Featuring a massive 80mm bore flame projector with a great range... for a flamethrower, that is, the Bob/Saur is nothing less than a major demoralizer. And nothing more, particularly; although unusually heavily armored for its size - with electric armor and up to 500mm of ballistic armor protection - the Bob/Saur is not particularly effective against other tanks.
Mass: 34 tons
Length: 25'
Width: 12'
Height: 8'
Speed: 32 mph
Main Gun: High powered flamethrower.
Secondary Weapons: Coaxial 20mm cannon, secondary mount 6x40mm needles, 6 vented box Coatl II missiles (mounted rear and to the sides of the turret with blowout panels to make hits to the missiles blow out and back rather than into the tank.)
Crew: 3

17-11-2003, 03:42

OOC: Dang, I could have sworn that I put this one up before. This is indeed modern tech, although not a system that has been adapted IRL to military use.

TJLBT-4S Tarantula
In recognition of the success and mobility of the UBU personal battle armor, TJGA engineers have been experimenting with legged light tanks. The Tarantula is the result of this careful engineering work. A highly efficient hybrid engine, supplemented by a hundred pounds of fuel cell storage, provides power to actuate movement in ten jointed legs, which end in large circular plates. A specialized computer operates the specifics of motion, placing and moving individual legs based on pressure sensors, motion sensors, and infrared sensors, according to the overall directives of the pilot. The low-slung light tank is highly mobile over rough and wooded terrain. As if it's appearance were not sufficiently distinct, the boxy turret laid out by itself is as wide and as high as the main body, and the unusual paired turret consists of what are in practice two primary weapons. The "dog brain" of the tank comes pretrained in how to handle terrain and most commonly known mines, and "learns" in the field. The tank is highly vulnerable to leg destruction in the field, but retains close to full mobility with any seven out of the ten legs. Mounts the electric armor system, which the dog brain has default permission to activate based on learned response systems on external sensors.

Mass: 12.8 tons fully loaded.
Turret Length: 18'
Body Length: 18'
Overall Length (turret forward): 21'
Main Gun: 80mm smoothbore gun (20 rounds), 32mm Candle gatling gun (4000 rounds).
Secondary Weapons: 2x independent swivel side mount 7.62mm machine guns.
Maximum Speed:[/b] 32 mph
[u]Ballistic Armor Protection: Up to 80mm on frontal body. Overall armor protection is relatively thin; however, profile is small head-on.
Range: Up to 800 miles SOC.

09-12-2003, 23:08

Vom
The Vom is a rough hovercraft equivalent of the classic jeep, developed to fill the light military vehicle role across steppes, sandy deserts, marshes, and minfields. The Vom is not designed for open ocean work, as it handles rough water poorly; however, it can also be used in a light amphibious role. The Vom is specifically designed to convieniently mount the 106mm recoilless rifle, a heavy direct fire weapon heavy enough to threaten anything short of a main battle tank taken head-on. A secondary version that replaces the 106mm recoilless with a 40mm grenade machine gun, opening up a space and weight limitations for an additional passenger to sit where the ammunution for the 106mm recoilless rifle was stored. This model is somewhat less popular, due to the shorter range and lesser power of the 40mm gun as well as the significant "chatter" of the shorter gun, which is sufficient to rattle the light vehicle. The release of the Vom was delayed for a significant length of time under fuel efficiency standards testing, as initial models proved highly unsatisfactory to the enviromental departments. The end result is a marvelously efficient, simple, and rugged design, remarkably efficient and powerful for a hovercraft, although less efficient than wheeled vehicles of equivalent size. In spite of being designed to resist penetration and self-patch holes, the Vom's skirts are nonetheless something of a vulnerability, as leaks created by attacks can severely impair mobility in the field.

Legnth: 16'
Width: 7'
Height: 5'6" while on cushion
Dry unloaded weight (does not include 106mm RR): 800 pounds.
Cargo/passenger weight/ammunition allowance: 600 pounds.
40mm variant: 900 pounds.
Fully loaded: 2000 pounds (maximum recommended weight loadout, either mounting)
Maximum speed, cross country, rough seas: 40 mph
Maximum speed, calm water, road, or snow: 50 mph
Maximum speed, ice: 75 mph
Obstacle clearance: 15"
Independent Range: 500 miles SOC

Zyktrov
The Zyktrov is a cutting edge new light tank chassis designed for economy, efficiency, and dazzling performance. It, and a companion medium tank chassis, are designed with heavy urban fighting in mind. The Zyktrov mounts a pair of 106mm recoilless rifles with an experimental rack-loader system. A cross-engineered hatch/shield enables hand loading protected from enemy fire in the event of failure of the rack loader (which is itself loaded by hand, then swung up for immediate reloading). The Zyktrov is set very low to the ground; the driver/commander pilots the tank from a horizontal position, and the gunner sits back; pedals enable manual lateral pivot of the lightweight turret in emergencies. It is perhaps not the most comfortable position, but the 106mm rounds are light enough to be easily handled from a reclined position when needed. Very little structural reinforcement was required for the 106mm guns. There is little comfort room, little room for mistakes, and heat venting is a major consideration, but the tank has a small target profile and a small price tag. Ground clearance is fairly low, as well.

Height: 5'4" (incl turret)
Ground Clearance: 14"
Width: 6'10"
Crew: 2
Length: 15'2"
Mass: 16 tons
Armament: 2x 106mm recoilless rifles, 2 x .50 cal spotting rifles, 2x coaxial 7.62mm machine guns.

18-12-2003, 04:47

Tahar Joblissan Naval System Missiles:
Missile:--- Weight: Warhead: Length: Diameter: Pathing: -Range: Launch Requirements: Speed:
Sucker--16000lbs-2500lbs--35'0"---3'0"-------Arc+3fpo-300nm-Boosted Launch-------m3.5, 2.5 sea level
Snake S-3600lbs-700lbs----23'4"----1'8"------Arc--------695nm-Launch from rest-------m4.2
Snake ER-4700lbs-700lbs---31'4"----2'6"/5'0"Arc--------1130nm-Launch from rest------m0.9 boost, m4.2
Snake A-1200lbs-500lbs----12'0"----1'6"------Arc--------650nm-Air Launch--------------m4.2
Snake V-3200lbs-400lbs----23'3'-----1'8"------Acitve/Air-110nm-Launch from rest-------m6.2
Snake G-3000lbs-Special---22'8"----1'8"------Active/Air-125nm-Launch from rest-------m5.8
Snake G/A-1200lbs-Special-12'0"----1'6"------Air/Air-----80nm--Air Launch---------------m5.3
Python---3000lbs-400lb------20'0"----1'8"------Sea Skim-100nm-Launch from rest----m4.0
Slammer 4-1800lbs-650lbs---20'2"---1'2"/7'9"-Arc--------600nm-Launch from rest------m0.9
Slammer 4A-1000lbs-500lbs-12'0"----1'2"/5'10"-Arc------600nm-Air Launch-------------m0.9
Slammer 4ER-2500lbs-650lbs-24'0"-1'2"/8'0"---Arc-------1000nm-Launch from rest----m0.9
Grendel---1300lbs--400lbs---14'6"----1'0"/2'9"-Sea Skim-80nm--Launch from rest------m0.95
Grue-------800lbs---250lbs---10'10"--10"/4'0"---Sea Skim-25nm-Launch from rest-------m1.3
Grail-------500lbs---100lbs---8'6"-----10"/3'6"---Sea Skim-30nm-Launch from rest-------m1.1
Grignr------250lbs--50lbs-----7'0"------8"/2'2"----Sea Skim-10nm-Launch from rest-------m0.8
Brief Overview:
Sucker:
The Sucker is a heavily armored supersonic anti-ship missile intended for boosted launch from a surface target. The Ferret class of dreadnaught premiered this missile, which used a 150' long steam cannon system to boost the missile, also found with a similar steam cannon system on the Sea Serpent nuclear destroyer. Some experimentation with boost phases has allowed for extremely limited use of this missile on smaller vessels. Options for attack approach are threefold, set at launch: Plunging attack (for maximum deck penetration), sea-skimming attack to minimize interception, and simply economical "default attack vector" to allow the missile maximum propellant remaining at strike and (by a small margin) slightly higher range.
Snake Family:
The Snake is a multipurpose finless cruise/attack missile with a high supersonic speed. It is not sea-skimming and does not perform evasion, but the warhead is placed behind the stored liuid propellant, and the Snake has a composite armored shell, which - combined with the speed of approach and the small profile of the missile - makes interception relatively difficult. Penetration of Snake A, S, and ER is out to 19" of concrete. The ER variant employs a subsonic boost phase to dramatically increase range. The Snake V is a similar missile designed for missile and air interception with a fragmentary warhead, although it may also be used against surface vessels in a pinch. The Snake G variants are designed specifically with gravship opposition in mind.
Python:
The Python is a sea-skimming class of anti-ship missile with a smarter homing head based on the Snake missile. The 400 pound warhead, with the high penetration offered by the hypersonic attack, is readily capable of disabling destroyers and severely damaging heavier ships; it is less destructive than the Snake S, with less range, but is suitable for low-profile attacks, with a low arced flight profile and a sea-skimming final approach. It is generally carried in very small numbers due to its high cost and specialized utility.
Similar RL Missiles: Yahkont (higher range @ 165nm in the same "mixed flight" profile, more heavily armored, more advanced guidance and evasion, slightly heavier warhead, more primitive propulsion, slower speed and substantially heavier missile.)
Slammer:
The Slammer series is a series of cheap subsonic land attack cruise missiles, available with high explosive, fragmentary, cluster submunition, incediary, and delayed-detonation cluster submuniton warheads. It is generally inertially guided, to a very refined degree of precision, and intended for use in land attack rather than anti-ship use.
Similar RL Missiles: Tomahawk (larger warhead, slower speed, bigger missile.)
Grendel:
The Grendel is a light sea-skimming anti-ship missile. With only slightly less range than the Python and the same warhead, the Grendel differs primarily in its subsonic speed and its cost, which is a great deal lower.
Similar RL Missiles: Harpoon, Excocet, C-802.
Grue:
The Grue is a lightweight sea-skimming missile.
Similar RL Missiles: Penguin
Grail:
The Grail is a very light missile designed for patrol use, primarily.
Similar RL Missiles: Marte
Grignr: Named after a mythical hero from a mythically bad story, the Grignr is a very small missile, highly capable of taking out missile or patrol boats without the expense of a large missile.
Similar RL Missiles: C-701, AS 15 TT, Sea Skua.

18-12-2003, 06:24

With an increase in Tahar Joblissan military spending tracable to population increase and economic prosperity lagging ahead of general reductions in the military priorities and cutbacks in the Combat Arm of the Tahar Joblis Ground Army tracable to the slow cessation of recent conflicts, the NDOTJ has found time to modernize, rebuild, and prepare to settle future problems.

Arising upon this task list first has been an overhaul of current carrier systems and rebuilding new carriers from the ground up.

After investigation, it has proved of note that, although a highly mobile and efficient carrier, the Walrus class has inadequate supply to provide for extended combat aircraft operations, particularly for the heavier TJF-4 and TJF-10 fighters that have been operating from the Walrus class. With some consideration, it has been determined that the flight wing of the Walrus of 40 aircraft is still capable of providing ample air support and air-to-air capabilities; however, the endurance, supply, and ship-based operations require a substantial boost.

The NDOTJ's answer to these problems, to a generally positive reaction by the TJAF, has been to release a new Walrus II class. Although not yet off the drawing board, the Walrus II class is slated to carry a standardized air wing of 42 craft at a dramatic increase in displacement; the full displacement of the new carrier is anticipated to surpass 30,000 tons, although it is possible that several knots of top speed may have to be sacrificed. The NDOTJ is running extensive hull testing on a new structural design for the Walrus II that may dramatically improve survivability and storage. Word is also that the reasonably new Sucker missiles may be placed on the carrier as a measure to help prevent enemy ships from getting in close. Rumors that the Finback is also facing a similar design overhaul effort have not been confirmed; however, a source highly placed within the NDOTJ stated that the NDOTJ is looking into cost-efficient large hull armoring systems and speed profiles, as well as long range SAM systems.

(Dangit, I need to stop forgetting my browser logins...)

18-12-2003, 06:32

Kravoli would like the put forward to the Government of Tahar Joblis a proposal for a joint program with the Tahar Joblis navy.

We propose a program where Kravoli can work with Tahar Joblis to create combat system and missile for the new generation of naval units for both countries.

We await your response.

18-12-2003, 08:35

We are interested in what you may have to offer in terms of naval systems research, development, and production, particularly in this peaceful overhaul period when we appear to have the luxury of testing new technologies things at length and shaking them down for the maximum efficiency and reliability of a fully integrated design.

Although we have excellent engineers and scientists, Tahar Joblis has a tendancy to lack substantial production facilities in certain areas, and developments in those fields, such as electronic systems, tends to lag behind.

(OOCly speaking, I am right now beginning another major overhaul of the naval gear of Tahar Joblis, so your timing is very good.)

18-12-2003, 09:01

We are currently in the final stages of development of a high tech weapons system for use in most naval vessels.

It would be a great benefit to both our nations to share in this system and help each other fix any bugs in the system we encounter. Our design is a complete system for any ship that wants to use it and can be setup with minial cost.

While Kravoli doesn't have a good navy (Most ships being of 60-70's design) we are an island, improving it is a very high priority.

19-12-2003, 05:49

Perhaps we may be able to overhaul your navy, either through surplussed "obsolete" vessels (that remain rather more modern in outfitting and base design than the 1960s-70s, and can easily be kept up to tune with the times) or the application of our vast shipyard engineering experience; what, precisely, is this new weapons system?

19-12-2003, 06:31

We would like to have atleast 30% of purchases be brand new vessels straight from Sea Trials. To keep costs down we are interested in purchasing modern hulls and outfit them with uprated equipment.

The Supercet is a new generation Weapons System for use on most naval vessels, The Supercet is based around a powerful computer system, The system is divided into 5 stages each with there own CPU to avoid conjestion.

The first stage is Scan and this consists of all the scanning equipment(sonar, radar, esm etc) on the vessel being connected to the computer system that decodes it instead of having multiple display screens the information is displayed on a virtual battlefield set up on the bridge. Using the latest GPS and the ships own systems the virtual battlefiel provide the captain the weapons officers all the information they need.

Stage 2 is Vessel identification, This stage requires the most computing power and is the most advanced. Using a large database and the crew own experience, contact found by the Scan stage can quickly and accuratly be identified and enemy, friendly or nuetral and even find what the vessels is down to classes(eg Seawolf class, Akula). Information is sent from the Scan stage to Vessle Identification and when identification is complete data is sent back so the virtual battlefield can be updated to include even more information.

Stage 3 is Threat identification, This is designed to give the ship a very accurate estimated as to how high the threat to it is. This system gives the weapons officers and helping hand in choosing what target to fire upon first. An identified vessel is given a threat level but unidentified vessels are not for obvious reasons. Threat level is displayed on the virtual battelfield. Incoming weapons are given top priority.

Stage 4 is weapons guidance, As the name subjects this is the weapons stage of the system. When ever an order to fire is issued, this stage is given the responsability of ensuring that a hit is achieved and that the right weapon is launched. Everything relating to the launch of a weapons and it;s guidance is controlled by this system.

Stage 5 is defence, When ever an incoming weapon is deteced all infomation is automatically given to the defense stage so that appropriate steps can be made to lower the chances of getting hit.

All these systems work together to give a system with unprecidented performance.

19-12-2003, 06:58

OOC: Old Walrus specs did seem a bit unrealistic recently... behold, one and all, the new Walrus, soon to ICly replace the old one. The air wing, similar; the defense systems, upgraded and described in detail; the integral weapons systems, overall boosted. The crew, significantly larger. Cargo capacity? Noticably larger; I've also accounted carefully for the whole lot of things.

The new Walrus is planned to be able to run a thousand fighter missions between resupply with ample parts redundancy and reasonable selection between mission loads. With a redesigned hull built for speed, the Walrus II loses little mobility in spite of a substantial size increase; however, it remains a substantially faster, lighter, and better armored carrier than most capital carriers, and remains a lighter displacement than the dreadnaughts within the fleet. Fiber reinforced composites in three spaced layers guard the ship against attacks, and an efficient waste disposal system and hypdroponics department aid greatly in mission cost reduction and endurance, particularly in peacetime. The new Walrus carries a plethora of close defense systems for use against aircraft and missiles, plus an integrated electronics and integrated steam system, fueling a pair of steam catapults as well as boost cannons for Sucker missiles - giving the new Walrus a potent, if limited, weapon against incoming enemy ships.

Empty Displacement: 25,000 tons
Full Load: 38,000 tons
Length at Waterline: 880'
Airstrip Length: 918'
Airstrip Width: 96'
Waterline Beam: 81'
Standard Draft: 25'
Armament: 2 32mm Candle, 4x Pike 2 CIWS mounts, 16 cell Snake V VLS system, 16 cell multiple load light SAM system, 8 cell LRSAM, 12 steam cannon tubes for Sucker missiles, 1x paired 57mm AA cannon, 1x Tower Mount Point Defense System.
Crew: 1200+1000 air wing
Top Sustained Speed: 39 kts
Rough Empty Weight of Standard Walrus II Air Wing: 500 tons. (Composition: 12 TJF-2A Lightning Bolt, 12 TJF-10 Chimera, 12 TJF-4 Javelin, 4 TJF-5 Albatross (modified), 2 TJS-1A Zephyr.)
Maximum Combat Mission Load [of the three fighter squadrons]: 370.8 tons material.

19-12-2003, 07:19

We are somewhat (although not extraordinarily) interested in your Supercet, and would be willing to consider this in the positive light of selling you the vessels you would wish to build up your navy.

The question then becomes, what vessels are you interested in?

We expect to be surplussing the old Walrus carriers (4) fairly soon - (OOC: possibly others to be announced as I go through this overhaul phase) but we could produce new vessels as well, possibly including the Supercet system or with it retrofitted on. Very few of our vessels in current service are truly outdated, particularly when it comes to the basic hull designs and fundamental engineering, but we can understand your concerns about wishing new hulls.

(OOC: Look through the thread, put together something of a wish list if you like. I'll probably be putting out a new export destroyer line with your supercet system for you; I will distinctly be putting out 1-2 classes of heavily armored vessels near the BC/BB class range shortly, along with a conventionally powered mid-size carrier and probably a new boat or two. We mostly export Kraken destroyers and Ink corvettes as primary combat and support vessels, respectively, with missile/patrol boats also popular. Sometimes we go big. Like the more recently designed Ferret dreadnaughts. I'll tell you current [rough equivalent] prices on request, and you just might want to ... well, detail your current favored missile paradigm, for example. Most of our current missile systems are produced only in Tahar Joblis, although many have close equivalents that the systems could easily be adapted to.)

19-12-2003, 07:36

Basically, all we are looking for at this time are:
24 Costal patrol boats just something to patrol not to far from the coast. Large patrol range is a much and armament other than 2-3 machine guns arn't needed.

6 Destroyers(with supercet). A standard destoyer retrofitted would be fine but supercet is a must.

Aircraft carriers are a little too expensive for us at this time but if we could get a good price on one it would be concidered.

If you have these we can talk price.

19-12-2003, 08:05

The old Walrus design is a fairly light carrier (displacement is less than 2/3rd that of the new one), and with us surplussing it and you providing the Supercet system we could let it go for as little as [roughly $800M -not including planes, which we expect you to supply for yourself], which is a steal as far as carriers go. It is remarkably fast and supports a broad variety of planes - as many as carriers over twice its size - although supply, repair facilities, and launch rate are all rather limited.

For patrol vessels, we might recommend something of a mix; a few hydrofoil craft for quick interception where needed:
Inner Sea Interdiction Vessel:
A hydrofoil patrol vessel designed for interception and blockade keeping. Carries a single Sucker missile, which requires installation in drydock - a feature not, incidentally, advertised by the NDOTJ, which has publicly described this as a patrol and interdiction vessel designed to regulate civilian vessels.
Full load: 300 tons
Armament: 1 Sucker Missile, 1 32mm Candle, 8 light (short-range, subsonic, 500 pound) anti-ship missiles.
Speed: 45 kts
Total crew: 28.

..and light missile boats (probably the Goldfish) for most of the rest.

Spitting Cobra Heavy Missile Boat:
Displacement: 417 tons.
Speed: 45 kts
Length: 155'
Beam: 32'
Draft: 7'
Armament: 3 Snake S, 3 Snake ER, four 20mm cannon mounts, 2 missile station, 8 cell Sea Sparrow.
Reliable all-weather range: 3200 nm @ 15 kts.

Alternative Missile Stations on Export Models:
A.) 6 Tomahawk
B.) 2 Sandbox (this version's missile box protrudes several feet from the front of the boat).
C.) 3 3M-54E1 Klub missiles, 3 Styx missiles.
D.) 6 C-101
E.) 3 Tomahawk, 5 Harpoon
F.) 12 Exocet MM40 (this version has a visibly larger surface portion, and provides a different sort of tactical missile support role.

Serpent Light Missile Corvette:
Displacement: 580 tons.
Length: 180'
Beam: 40'
Draft: 8'
Speed: 42 kts
Reliable All-weather range: 3600 nm@ 15 kts.

Goldfish Light Missile Boat
Displacement: 180 tons.
Length: 120'
Beam: 30'
Draft: 5'
Armament: Candle 32mm gun, 2 Snake S, 2 Snake ER.
All-weather reliable range: 2000 nm @ 15kts.

Export missile models:
A.) 4 Tomahawk
B.) 1 Shipwreck missile (protrudes from deck a bit more)
C.) 2 3M-54E1 Klub missiles, 2 Styx missiles.
D.) 4 C-101
E.) 8 Exocet MM40 (this version has a visibly larger surface portion, and provides a different sort of tactical missile support role.
F.) 2 Sunburn missiles.
G.) 2 Tomahawk, 4 Harpoon.
H.) 3 Sawhorse

[Rough Prices: $50M for the ISIV, $70m for the Goldfish, $100m for the Spiting Cobra, and $120M for the Serpent, sholud you choose to go for a few of those big ones]

For the destroyers, we would perhaps recommend accepting the export of Krakens with the Supercet retrofitted to shake down the system, but perhaps not to your full requirements; the Kraken is, after all, a fairly light destroyer in the general scheme of things, and doesn't have an armament mix that would take the best advantage of the Supercet system (rough price of Krakens with retrofits: $250M each), which we will be putting through design phase shortly.

19-12-2003, 09:57

19-12-2003, 10:38

What is the range of the Inner Sea Interdiction Vessel?

The other ships are overarmed for the purpose we will use them for.

The Krakens class seems to be good and we would like to get hold of atleast 1 for some trials. Is this possible?

OOC: Actually, counting the hidden armament potential to carry a 16,000 pound Sucker missile (not included in price, which is for unloaded vehicle), the ISIV is slightly heavier armed than the Goldfish, taken on the whole.

The ISIV has a range of roughly 1500nm under standard operating conditions (the missile the launchers are built for would be the Grail listed above, but you may find something else compatible.) This is shorter than our patrol boats (particularly in terms of time, and most particularly on extended missions during sunny weather) but still sufficient for many patrol roles.

It would be readily possible to engage in trails with a Kraken.

19-12-2003, 10:56

We would like to go ahead with the purchase of 24 ISIV vessels.

No missile are needed as we think having a missile with a 1.2ton warhead on a ship for coastal patrol is overkill, Mainly we are looking for Rufugee boats, illegal fishers etc

19-12-2003, 22:31

Very well. We will begin sending the ISIVs as we receive payment (and, in some cases, finish manufacture). We will also be sending a Kraken over for you to test shortly.

20-12-2003, 09:05

The new battleship, designated the Stromsveldt class in homage to the retiring Admiral Stromsveldt, who has seen the dramatic growth of the NDOTJ to include vessiels displacing close to twenty times as much as its original flagship, has one of the lowest estimated cost-to-displacement ratios of any mainline warship built in Tahar Joblis this century. After a substantial and heated debate on the issue, the Stromsveldt was not fitted with a triple 16"/50 turret, as the Great Blue class, the Ferret class, and the flagship TJS Octopus. The length of the guns proved rather awkward to fit in a dual rear/front mount system on a ship this size, and after 15" advocates designed a fast loading system for the lighter 15" shells, the decision was fairly easy to make, with eight 15" guns providing for a very similar bombardment weight. The only substantially less vulnerable targets to the 15" guns are some hardened bunkers and enemy battleships, the latter of which is fairly rare and the former of which don't move around much, and the slighly greater range of the 15"/50 guns under ordinary conditions with most shells is icing on the cake. Also differing from the other big vessels is the non-nuclear drive; the power system, although extremely efficient, is primarily deisel/electric with the expected rollout solar paneling for non-combat conditions. The vessel's anti-air and shore bombardment capabilities are matched by very few modern vessels, and intel sources rumor that the Stromsveldt cost Tahar Joblis less than some nations would pay for a fully modern AEGIS equipped destroyer.

The goal of the Stromsveldt was to provide a low maintainance, heavily protected, mobile fire support and shore bombardment platform. With that in mind, the Stromsveldt battleship. Cheap rockets costing little more than shells can deliver substantial amounts of firepower in a hurry and disable "soft" systems. The Stromsveldt does carry surface to surface missile systems, but is poorly supplied to engage in extended bombardment with them. Surface to air systems are somewhat better supplied to provide ample air defense, as airplanes are one of the main hazards presented to the Stromsveldt. With high quality steel armor - reinforced with fiber layers/composite plates between armor plates, careful layering systems, torpedo blisters, multiple hulls, void and flood chambers, and a bouyant foam damage control system to prevent undesicable leaking and flooding, the Stromsveldt enjoys a degree of protection rated in many ways higher than the American Iowa class battleship.

The 2500 ton turrets have been engineered to maximize loading speed, with an unusual loading system allowing the guns to be loaded at any elevation possible for them to reach - and, under opitimum firing conditions, fired every twenty seconds, a feat that would be virtually impossible with 2700 pound ultraheavy AP rounds. With modern techniques and a durable barrel, the 15"/50 guns will not have to be replaced more often than once every thousand firings.

Dry Displacement: 36,000 tons
Full Load: 48,500 tons
Length: 812'
Width: 113'
Draft: 32'
Armament: 2x quad 15"/50 guns, 6 Pike 2 CIWS mounts, 6 double torpedo tubes, 3 paired 5" guns, 2x12 pack 320mm rocket launchers (10 ton pod, range ~100nm; reload time is admittedly slow), 16 light SAM tubes, 16 LRSAM tubes, 8 VLS (snake) tubes, 14 paired 57mm.
Helicopter Support: 2 Helicopters (TJAH-1)
Crew: 950+50 air crew+200 marines
Speed: 35 kts
SOC Range: 12,000 nm.

20-12-2003, 09:10

Payment has been sent.

Would it be possible to have the Kraken sent over when the first ISIV is delivered?

21-12-2003, 03:12

Payment has been sent.

Would it be possible to have the Kraken sent over when the first ISIV is delivered?

Yes.

OOC: WWII Tech Edition of the Stromsveldt, should I begin participating in that sort of thing:
Belt and deck protection do not change thickness; however, the belt is now worse than the Iowa's, although pretty dang good for something this size. Torpedo protection is top rate, though; bouyant foam-based systems are still used this early to aid in automatic damage control. Main gun barrel lifetime drops to 220 rounds - thus, replacement every two full mission loads of ammunition. A slighly less efficient and powerful engine system drops fuel economy and range. Crew is noticably larger, due to the lack of crew-efficient saving systems; also noticable is that where the broad but flat rocket pads lie in the modern tech version, the WWII version carries additional large gun turrets, in a pair of dominating paired 8" turrets. Although capable of pointing virtually straight forward and backwards, each remains restricted to its own side targeting arc, with a maximum range of between 16.2 and 17.4 nm, depending on ammunition choice, with an optimal ROF of 5 rounds per minute. The Stromsveldt is a highly effective BB for its size, although some larger and more heavily armed BBs would probably end up being able to eat it for lunch by being able to simply weather out its fire and reply with heavy 16"/50 or 18" AP rounds. It would also depend on radar systems installed for out-of-sight shooting. With good, fast firing, accurate heavy guns and a reasonable speed, this is a particularly good ship for hunting WWII cruisers and destroyers. It is possible that the total volume of light AA fire may prove insufficient for protection, but it isn't entirely unprotected against aircraft. After some consideration, replacing 2 heavy attack helicopters, their pad, and their hangar, for a pair of considerably smaller seaplanes, appears a technologically appropriate trade. I'm tentatively describing this as 1939 appropriate tech level, do mention if I've included anything that appears inappropriate.

Dry Displacement: 36,200 tons
Maximum Displacement: 48,500 tons
Range: 10,000nm SOC
Top Speed: 33 kts
Armament: 2 quad 15"/50, 6 quad 88mm flak guns, 14 quad 40mm, 3 paired 5", 28 single 20mm guns, 2 paired 8"/50 guns.
Aircraft: 2 seaplanes
Crew: 1640
Belt: Approx 13.5"
Deck Armor: Approx 6.5"

A small footnote... the design appears to add up, although I'm suspecting it to be a shade on the top-heavy side in ways... hrm... it also seems to have a remarkable degree of power for its size - although that also adds up. Although it seems a premier combatant, it does lack a bit in terms of range, unfortunately...

23-12-2003, 22:36

OOC: Scratch that, the 8" will go on the centerline, up from the 15". And make that 4 paired 5". Everthing else is fine though, although dangit, I'm hgihly tempted to swap out the 40mm for 45mm and dang the ROF issues...

Just to make sure those of you know...
Tahar Joblis today announced the public release and export of a bipedal fighting machine, measuring in at roughly 25' tall.

In an unusual move, TJGA authorities have described the vehicle as "available for export to anyone" with full production rights also for sale. Asked if this included traditional Tahar Joblissan enemies and nations barred from trade with Tahar Joblis ordinarily, TJGA authorites remarked "Especially them. We're selling this to anybody willing to trade us the appropriate price. Ask about blueprint books, production plans, production and resale licenses!"

The war machine in question measures approximately 25' tall, with a seven foot "box" cab mounted on two powerful legs, capable of striding over large obstacles, mines, logs, or even busted fire hydrants. It is designed to be fully operable by a crew of only two, in spite of its versatile capabilities. Inch thick steel plates guard much of the cab against small arms fire, while a pair of 45mm cannon in a chin turret provide heavy firepower. The two 45mm guns are fire linked in an alternating counter-recoil sequence to eliminate transmitted "chatter" of the vehicle. Side turrets, with a heavy grenade launcher and twinned .30 caliber light machine guns, provide light side-arc anti-infantry support.

The entire top assembly rotates, allowing for full firing arcs, and a top hardpoint allows the installation of an additional top manual or internally fired weapon with little modification. (Not included.)

This system for sale, now! Buy while you can! Ask about production licenses, resale licenses, group discounts, and special "Longtime Enemy of Tahar Joblis" deals on this item only!

Specifications:
Height: 25'
Cab Dimensions: Approx 5'x6'x7'
Mass: Approx 8 tons dry (10 tons fully loaded)
Stock Armament: 2x45mm, 4x.30cal, 2xHeavy Grenade Launchers
Ballistic Armor Rating (cab): Up to 30mm
Top Speed: 25 mph
Range: 250 miles
Unit Price: [Approximately $800,000 in raw materials, depending on resource valuations]

(For a sample picture, click here. Heavy grenades for side launch systems range from 5-10 pounds in weight. TJGA not expected to utilize system heavily. Not responsible for destruction at the hands of rabid teddy bears, logs, improper piloting, etc. Or misuse, tactical blunders, etc etc.)

05-01-2004, 02:27

Anaconda
The Anaconda is the medium tank companion to the Zytrov. Slightly larger, dramatically better protected, and with a longer range, the Anaconda mounts a very similar turret system to the Zyktrov. However, it does have an additional feature: side mounted armored missile pods allow the Anaconda to defeat armor targets at range.
Height: 5'4" (incl turret)
Ground Clearance: 14"
Width: 7'8"
Crew: 2
Length: 16'8"
Mass: 20 tons
Armament: 2x 106mm recoilless rifles, 2 x .50 cal spotting rifles, 2x coaxial 7.62mm machine guns, 4xANA missiles (200 pound high velocity anti-tank missiles.

05-01-2004, 02:39

13-02-2004, 05:18

Those ships aren't all that massive. The Yamato class battleships were 862 feet 9in long, one of them is my new flagship. :D

OOC: The Yamato class was unusually large; massive is a very relative term. Most military vessels are less than a tenth the size of the Yamato, and even that is massive when you're a small nation, as I was when I posted that.

Don't worry, folks, I'll have an interesting battlecruiser design up soon and I should get around to posting the TJF-11 at some point soon, this isn't dead yet :P

14-02-2004, 01:29

TJF-11 Raven
The TJF-11 Raven is designed for high altitude high speed interception missions, attacking enemy long range strategic bomber assets. A very specialized plane, it is unable to conduct sustained low-speed flight operations; a reusable rocket booster provides initial takeoff thrust and accelerates the plane to a point where the ramjet engines can run capably. Due to probable coastal or near-coastal deployments of Ravens, the booster is designed to make a safe and waterproof splashdown with inflatable neon bouys for easy retrieval. Landing the Raven can be a hassle, to say the least.

Carefully built interior weapons bays accommodate up to a 12,000 pound load of weaponry, and an integral sensor package allows the Raven to spot “stealthy” enemy bombers operating at high altitudes with great ease. The Raven itself is not particularly stealthy, but it can be hard to track, target, and count accurately due to the large fuzzy footprint it leaves on radar; the plane is virtually indistinct from its immediate trail, and TJAF pilot doctrine takes full advantage of this with recommended formations for the Raven; the Raven furthermore carries a wealth of missiles. A single Raven squadron can annihilate twice their number in shocked strategic bombers a thousand miles from their intended target and fight their way back through enemy carrier based support. Many older missile systems aren't capable of successfully engaging the Raven.

Length: 100'
Height: 16'
Wingspan: 55'
Top Speed: 2000+ mph
Altitude Ceiling: ~100,000'
Range: 3200 miles.
Dry weight: 58,000 pounds (does not include launch booster.)
Maximum takeoff weight: 120,000 pounds (does not include launch booster.)
Maximum weapons payload: 12,000 pounds
Maximum adjustable systems payload: 18,000 pounds
Crew: 2
Standard Weapons Loadout: 6x advanced long range interceptor missiles, 6x extended attack mid-range AAMs, 6x medium range high speed AAMs, 6x short range AAMs.

17-02-2004, 03:13

OOC: WWX and all, I've been playing Brazil lately. Here, based on Brazil's greatest battleship IRL...

Carefully adapted from the original Rio de Janeiro battleship, also known as the Agincourt, the Rio class retains the distinctive seven centerline paired turrets; however, through careful use of advanced engineering techniques, the original 12"/45 guns have been replaced by the substantially larger and more powerful 15"/50 guns used on the Stromsveldt. Although lighter and less well protected than the Stromsveldt, it is more efficient and mounts a better sustained bombardment capability, although raw firepower and versatility have been sacrificed as a result. The Rio remains a tenacious opponent, and with advanced armors, damage control systems, void and ballest chambers, internal foam systems six generations removed from the ones on the Richelieu, and an unusual degree of system redundancy, it is extremely difficult to kill. Unlike the Stromsveldt, the Rio is a nuclear vessel; it is also considerably more quiet, with a substantially smaller geometric degree of reflectivity to radar and sonar at most angles.
Rio class (Battleship)
Length 760'
Beam 95'
Draft 30'
Displacement: 30,000 tons, 35,000 tons full load.
Armor 10" belt, main deck layer 2", turrets 12", 9" barbettes.
Armament: 7x paired 15"/50 guns, 6x Pike CIWS, 8 Snake VLS, 2 triple tube torpedo systems, 16 LSAM tubes, 16 LRSAM tubes.
Crew: 700+20 air crew.
Aircraft: 1 (TJAH-1 or similar)
Speed: 34 kts

21-02-2004, 09:29

Piranha Light Submarine:
This small submarine is hydrogen powered, giving it substantially better endurance power output capacity than earlier lead-acid models with a lower storage weight; this allows the submarine to carry a substantially greater store of air and food supplies. Designed for special operations primarily, the Pirhana is also capable of engaging surface and submarine assets with great success as a low profile opponent. Carrying autoloading 500 pound torpedos in a quartet of 12" forward tubes, the Pirhana can successfully take out submarines many times its size; with its specialized geometric arrangement and absorbtive coats designed to reduce, eliminate, or reflect at unusuble angle incoming active sonar pings. A unique base-hull vibratory system and passive return system allows the sonar officer to create false ping echos on command to further confuse enemy subs. Add in the nonmagnetic hull and small size, and it becomes extremely difficult to kill. These features combine to make the Pirhana the premier subsurface combatant of its weight class.

Displacement: 270 tons surface, 500 tons submerged.
Length: 100'
Beam: 20'
Draft: 20'
Endurance: 15 days
Safe Operating Depth: 200 fathoms
Emergency Depth: 250 fathoms
Crush Depth: 325 fathoms
Speed: 9 kts standard operating, 12 knots maximum silent, 15 kts maximum surge (for up to several minutes at a time - not quiet.)
Crew: 12 (carries maximum of 20 on board for 12 days safely at full supply.)
Armament: 4 fore torpedo tubes, 24 torpedos, 2 decoys.

Pirhana Light Attack Torpedo:
Caliber: 12"
500 pounds
100 pound warhead (shaped charge).
15,000 yards @ 50 kts
Available in mine-dispensing mod.

Chanter Class Submarine Tender:
This vessel is designed to support submarine operations, particularly the lighter weight conventional submarines. It is a fairly common vessel in the fleet, virtually unarmed for its size.

Length: 600'
Beam: 80'
Draft: 25'
Max Displacement: 20,000 tons
Maximum Speed: 25 kts
Armament: 8 LSAM VLS, 8 LRSAM VLS, 4 Pike 2 CIWS.

Grollic Class Forward Combat Submarine Tender:
A destroyer weight class vessel designed to tend Manta and Piranha submarines (among others) in potential hazard fields. It carries a single main gun turret, anti-air, and anti-submarine weaponry, along with ample supplies for its charges and some dive/rescue equipment.

Length: 510'
Beam: 70'
Draft: 26'
Speed: 30 kts maximum
Displacement: 7,000 tons light, 10,000 tons full.
Armament: 2 Pike 2 CIWS, 8 LSAM VLS, 4 LRSAM VLS, 1 8"/45 gun, ASROC systems.

22-02-2004, 00:48

Leviathan
Long awaited since early in WWIX... finally posting some specs.

Displacement: 18,000 surface, 20,000 tons submerged
Length: 575'
Beam: 45'
Safe Operating Depth: 400 fathoms
Emergency Depth: 500 fathoms
Crush Depth: 625 fathoms
Speed: 16 kts surface, 24 kts tactical, 32 kts maximum
Crew: 12 (carries maximum of 20 on board for 12 days safely at full supply.)
Armament: 8 heavy torpedo tubes, 4 light tubes, 100 Snake VLS cells, 600 Snake missiles, 32 heavy torp-tube weapons, 32 light torp-tube weapons

Long Attack Low Profile Torpedo:
This is among the quietest conventional torpedos used by Tahar Joblis. Wire-guided, the torpedo may be released unpowered and then later activated; the enclosed and baffled turbine is designed to minimize engine noise. Speed may be varied by command as well to minimize detection while still tracking the target and keeping pace if necessary. A thin coating of absorbant material helps reduce active sonar signature slightly. Maximum sustained speed is 45 knots, although internal power redirection systems allow bursts of up to 50 knots for periods of up to 1 minute if precharged.
Guidance: Passive/Active acoustic with sonar package
Caliber: 21"
3300 pounds
650 pound warhead
Lithium Battery, wire guided
Range: 120,000 yards @ 20kts, 100,000 yards @ 25 kts, 50,000 yards @ 35 kts, 25,000 yards @ 45 kts.

High Speed Surface Attack Conventional Torpedo:
Designed for near-surface combat, the HSSACT suffers from substantially reduced speed at greater depths; however, among conventional torpedos, few can match the HSSACT for speed and range at shallow depths against, for example, surface targets.

Guidance: Passive/Active acoustic with sonar package
Caliber: 21"
4000 pounds
650 pound warhead
Speed: 80 kts
Range: 25,000 yards @ 80 kts (range est past 60,000 yards at low speed.)
Hydrogen Ammonium Perchlorate fuel, pump-jet propulsion.

26-02-2004, 02:52

TJSPE-204 Deep Central Support Base:
Designed as a mobile power station, these are remarkably inexpensive and relatively noisy submarines, which spend much of their time on the surface. They specialize in recharge missions; lightly armed, and primarily with short ranged countertorpedos, the TJSPE-204 are nevertheless halfway between submarine support ship and submarine in operational terms.
Displacement: 10,000 tons submerged, 7,000 tons surfaced.
Depth: 1600' Maximum Safe, 2100' Never Exceed, 2,500' Crush Depth

Hammerhead Class Electric Submarine
The Hammerhead is a unique long range hunting submarine, designed to intercept craft at long range. Designed around a 100% electric system, the Hammerhead is among the quietest submarines ever built; it also carries one of the most sophisticated passive sonar arrays ever built by Tahar Joblis.

The physical configuration of the Hammerhead is also unique; it takes its name from the broad flattened bow sticking out of the front. This increases turbulence slightly during maneuvers, but gives the Hammerhead's passive receptors great flexibility and power.

The Hammerhead is designed to operate at a "defensive" depth of over a half mile, preventing detection or engagement by many surface based systems with a long term fuel cell based endurance.

Supplemented by lithium ion batteries for use during high power consumption combat operations, the rechargable power supply complex takes up a substantial portion of the submarine, and can supply nearly ten days' worth of power at high usage levels; it is anticipated to last an entire mission entirely electrically, although a secondary fuel tank allows for two full recharges of the entire complexes from nearly drained levels while surfaced. The submarine has been designed for maximum power efficiency, and built for use with an extremely small crew. Psychological considerations and training to run the Hammerhead submarines are extraordinary as a result. Maximum mission endurance without resupply is 90 days.

The Hammerhead uses LALPT torpedos nearly exclusively in all cases; the LALPT torpedo practically defines its mission parameters. The Hammerhead also uses wire guided decoys, receptors, and active sonar relays to help it track surface targets remotely at long range; the Hammerhead's primary target engagement envelope is "surface target at rest or projected location well defined, within 50 nautical miles at ETA of torpedo to target."

Standard operating protocol is to release a spread of 6 torpedos and several long range tracking remotes (launched through separate tubes), guide the torpedos to the close vicinity of the target at extreme depth using passive remote and direct submarine mounted tracking from a remote moved to near-surface depths, and then bring the torpedos up from directly below the target (if possible) or in the close vicinity thereof while determining location with active sonar, thermographic systems, and/or radar float decoy.

Length: 360'
Maximum Beam Dimension: 60'
Draft: 25' submerged
Displacement: 5,000 tons submerged, 4,000 tons surfaced
Speed: 30 kts maximum, 20 kts tactical, 15 kts surfaced
Depth: 3500' Maximum Safe, 4200' Never Exceed, 5,000' Crush Depth
Crew: 24
Maximum Mission Endurance: 90 days.
21" Torpedo Tubes: 6 (42 LALPT)

26-02-2004, 07:26

OOC Note: I've produced this by extension from the LALPT, which was in turn produced by upgrading battery technology to a lithium cell. Now, see what happens when we use a hydrogen-oxygen fuel cell of modern efficiency... :) Dare I use these in WWX? Feel free to weigh in on these... they seem... good

Super Long Attack Low Profile Torpedo:
This torpedo differs from the LALPT in several critical ways. First is the replacement of most of the lightweight advanced lithium battery system with a smaller hydrogen-oxygen fuel cell stack. Although maximum power output of the torpedo has remained unchanged, the substantial reduction in battery weight allowed reduction of the operational size of the actual torpedo; however, the SLALPT comes with twice the cable length, making storage something of a hassle for submarines with cramped torpedo bays. The SLALPT - dubbed the "Super Lat" - boasts twice the endurance of the LALPT and a slightly thicker coating designed to absorb incoming sonar signals and internal engine noise.

As with the LALPT, the hazard of losing wire guidance is substantial due to the length of cable involved. The torpedo may be set to "safe" mode, deactivating rather than risking destroying a civilian vessel; otherwise, it proceeds on passive guidance, defaulting to continue going at current operational speed.

Guidance: Passive/Active acoustic with sonar package
Caliber: 21"
Total weight: 3200 pounds
Warhead Payload: 700 pounds
Hydrogen Oxygen fuel cell
Range: 120nm @ 20kts, 100nm @ 25 kts, 50 nm @ 35 kts, 25 nm@ 45 kts.

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