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I'll assume you meant Irish-Americans and Irish.

They both celebrate St. Patrick's Day. Next.

I did, yes, sorry about that.
And the UK celebrated At Patrick's day as well, as does Australia and New Zealand. Are those all Irish as well, then?

I did, yes, sorry about that.
And the UK celebrated At Patrick's day as well, as does Australia and New Zealand. Are those all Irish as well, then?

You're just being pedantic now.

Do Palestinians exist as an ethnic group? Kurds? Tibetans? It seems, based on your passport-stamp definition of ethnicity, that these groups do not exist.

You're just being pedantic now.

Do Palestinians exist as an ethnic group? Kurds? Tibetans? It seems, based on your passport-stamp definition of ethnicity, that these groups do not exist.

Never said those groups don't exist. On the contrary... they are nations that at one point in their history lost their sovereignty.
And, contrary to Irish-Americans and Irish, they actually do share a culture to some extend.

I've never met anyone who was offended by 'carbombs'

You must only know some real insensitive bastards then.

It is not only very offensive due to all the shit that happened ages ago, but it is also not really the right time to say it just after 2 British troops have just been shot by those asshole Republicans.

I've never met anyone who was offended by 'carbombs'

Never said those groups don't exist. On the contrary... they are nations that at one point in their history lost their sovereignty.
And, contrary to Irish-Americans and Irish, they actually do share a culture to some extend.

No they don't.

The Americans just took the Irish holiday and commercialised it like they do to every thing else.

Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?

Drink, just drink.

Cute, but Cabra actually lives in Ireland. I dare say she could get an Irish passport. That sounds a whole lot more Irish than people are are descended from people that lived in Ireland and could have gotten an Irish passport(but are now dead).

so those Nigerian taxi drivers are Irish ?
he may have Irish citizenship but he will not be Irish.
he will always be a godwin.

I had an English professor who was actually English, and she wore a black band on St. Paddy's Day.

Why? he was english?

Why? he was english?

Yes, Patrick was English.

http://plus.aol.com/aol/reference/Patrick/Saint_Patrick?flv=1

Yes, Patrick was English.

http://plus.aol.com/aol/reference/Patrick/Saint_Patrick?flv=1

I know, none of the home nations patrons saints are from their country except for david.

But why the black armband?

I'll assume you meant Irish-Americans and Irish.

They both celebrate St. Patrick's Day. Next.

So do many other places. All the American Irish I know are culturally different from me and the other Irish people I know and (importantly) much more culturally similar to other Ethnic-Americans than we are.
I get why Americans refer to themselves as Irish or whatever when they are in America but when they are outside of the US, it would be slightly confusing if they continued to refer to themseleves as Irish/whatever,

You must only know some real insensitive bastards then.

It is not only very offensive due to all the shit that happened ages ago, but it is also not really the right time to say it just after 2 British troops have just been shot by those asshole Republicans.

Where are you from? The N.Irish tend to have dark sense of humour.

So do many other places. All the American Irish I know are culturally different from me and the other Irish people I know and (importantly) much more culturally similar to other Ethnic-Americans than we are.
I get why Americans refer to themselves as Irish or whatever when they are in America but when they are outside of the US, it would be slightly confusing if they continued to refer to themseleves as Irish/whatever,



Where are you from? The N.Irish tend to have dark sense of humour.

I'm from the UK. My granddad is from NI and he doesn't find the whole thing very funny. I don't see how anyone can find it funny.

Yes, Patrick was English.

No, he was Welsh.

Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?

Nothing.

Ok... so there's no shared culture with the actual geography, such as with the Irish and the Germans, but there used to be a shared culture a century or 2 ago?

In my understanding that might make the Irish-Americans a distinct group of their own, but as there's no shared culture with the actual Irish of today, why would they claim to belong to that group?
Actually, in interactions between my Irish and Irish-American friends, I'd say they do still share culture. Their standard comfort meals, cultural values, etc. aren't all that different, even after a hundred or two years away from the homeland.

No they don't.

The Americans just took the Irish holiday and commercialised it like they do to every thing else.
Actually, if anyone "commercialized" it, it was the Irish. Boston has been celebrating in the same manner since 1737. Yes, it was much smaller back then, and not everyone participated, but it was still the parade, the drinking, and the greening up to show pride in their Irish heritage.
The first parade in Ireland was 1931, as far as I have seen, with the first real festival being in 1996.
Can you please point out what culture the Irish-Americans and Americans share today?
from what I've seen, food, drink, family social structures, religion

I'm from the UK. My granddad is from NI and he doesn't find the whole thing very funny. I don't see how anyone can find it funny.

Talking about the specific joke, I don't find it particularly amusing-it doesn't help that its a bit of a cliche either.

On a broader question, why do N.Irish people make jokes about these sort of things? I think its partly that living durring a extensive period of time of violence disensitizes you to it and partly that humour is a coping mechanism.

No, he was Welsh.

I thought Patrick was actually from Brittany and of Roman parents.:confused:

I survived St Patricks Day.....


As many know I own a Irish themed bar. What we did is rented the empty lot next to our building for a couple days. We erected a large tent. Built a stage and opened up the bar to the tent. We had a U2 cover band come and play last night. We advertised this for a month. No cover and $5 16 oz beer. All I can say is what a night. We had nearly a thousand people go through the bar last night. Reason I know this is we had "ID checked arm bands." I had a thousand made and we went through the whole lot. The economy is shit and we have an official Unenjoyment rate of 9.5% in the county. However everyone had money for beer. Was the biggest night yet for our little piece of Ireland. Green was the color for the night as in piles of green. Yeah! :D

I survived St Patricks Day.....


As many know I own a Irish themed bar.

I didn't know that. How 'Irish' is it? Guinness on tap?

I didn't know that. How 'Irish' is it? Guinness on tap?

You seriously asking that question???? Of course...

I even have an Irish bar tender. A real off the boat Irishman. However I only have one. I was actually thinking of going to Ireland and recruiting a group to come on over and work for me. Thats how realistic I want it to be. More authentic = more cash.....

But why the black armband?

Because she was English grew up during the Troubles, and didn't appreciate being expected to celebrate a holiday associated with the Irish whom she hated with a passion.

You seriously asking that question???? Of course...

I even have an Irish bar tender. A real off the boat Irishman. However I only have one. I was actually thinking of going to Ireland and recruiting a group to come on over and work for me. Thats how realistic I want it to be. More authentic = more cash.....

I seriously have to ask that question, I'm afraid. If you've ever spent any time in what I believe they call the Tri-State area (where Georgia rams itself into the crotch of the Carolinas), you'll understand how skeptical one could be of American claims of 'Irish-ness'.

It's important information. If I'm ever down your way, you might get passing trade from me just because of the tap Guinness. It'd be like a teeny NS meet-up, for beer. (Which, my understanding is - pretty much describes the spirit of NS meetups, anyway, actually... :))

I seriously have to ask that question, I'm afraid. If you've ever spent any time in what I believe they call the Tri-State area (where Georgia rams itself into the crotch of the Carolinas), you'll understand how skeptical one could be of American claims of 'Irish-ness'.



I was in that area before, sounds like the fake Irish/Scots bar there called the Highlander....

I even have an Irish bar tender. A real off the boat Irishman. However I only have one. I was actually thinking of going to Ireland and recruiting a group to come on over and work for me. Thats how realistic I want it to be. More authentic = more cash.....

You should be able to tell by their accent immediately if they're Irish or Irish-American. ;)

If you want to attract Irish barmen, you would want to pay quite well given the weakness of the $ compared to the Euro. The average bar wage in Ireland is between $9 - $13 an hour!

I usually just put on a green shirt of some sort, and speak with an Irish accent. It's alright though, since I'm part Irish.
(I love having a mixed heritage).

I usually just put on a green shirt of some sort, and speak with an Irish accent. It's alright though, since I'm part Irish.
(I love having a mixed heritage).

I pinched some of my friends, and was pinched in kind for not wearing green. Nothing out of this world.

I survived St Patricks Day.....


As many know I own a Irish themed bar. What we did is rented the empty lot next to our building for a couple days. We erected a large tent. Built a stage and opened up the bar to the tent. We had a U2 cover band come and play last night. We advertised this for a month. No cover and $5 16 oz beer. All I can say is what a night. We had nearly a thousand people go through the bar last night. Reason I know this is we had "ID checked arm bands." I had a thousand made and we went through the whole lot. The economy is shit and we have an official Unenjoyment rate of 9.5% in the county. However everyone had money for beer. Was the biggest night yet for our little piece of Ireland. Green was the color for the night as in piles of green. Yeah! :D
Ugh...how I hate U2. And Coldplay.

Boston was lots of Dropkick Murphys. I almost got tickets for them from a fellow bartender over at House of Blues, but the management wouldn't allow anyone else in.

Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?
I'm actually Irish (well, 50% Irish, in that Irish-American sort of way (the other half being German, with the grandparents being the ones who were actually FROM Ireland)), and I find St. Patrick's Day to be incredibly offensive. At least the way people in the US "celebrate" it.

If I dressed up in blackface and went around eating fried chicken for MLK Day, people would rightly call me on it, and say how incredibly racist and offensive it is. But a day where people basically act like every Irish person is either drunk or a leprechaun (or both), and everyone pretends to be "Irish" so it's perfectly acceptable to be drunk, is completely fine. The double standard disgusts me.

On the rare years when I even acknowledge that St. Patrick's Day exists in the first place (rather than ignoring the stupidity and acting like it's just another random normal day), the only consideration I give to it at all is to wear orange. Lots and lots of orange (which, to continue the earlier metaphor, is almost like wearing a KKK outfit on MLK Day).

I seriously have to ask that question, I'm afraid. If you've ever spent any time in what I believe they call the Tri-State area (where Georgia rams itself into the crotch of the Carolinas), you'll understand how skeptical one could be of American claims of 'Irish-ness'.

It's important information. If I'm ever down your way, you might get passing trade from me just because of the tap Guinness. It'd be like a teeny NS meet-up, for beer. (Which, my understanding is - pretty much describes the spirit of NS meetups, anyway, actually... :))

I understand what you mean. However this isnt the south up here in the NW. People are a bit smarter and can't be fooled so easily. As for the mini meet I will buy you a pint if you are in the area...

Ugh...how I hate U2. And Coldplay.

Boston was lots of Dropkick Murphys. I almost got tickets for them from a fellow bartender over at House of Blues, but the management wouldn't allow anyone else in.

I grew up on early U2 so I still think of them in those terms. However besides what I believe you really have to appease the customer in this business. So they get to decide what happens at times. The guys last night played old U2 exclusively anyway. I had to ok the song list. ;) We also had a Irish punk band after the main show. That got a little out of hand and probably wont do that one again so late. Drunk and punk don't mix to well.

You should be able to tell by their accent immediately if they're Irish or Irish-American. ;)

If you want to attract Irish barmen, you would want to pay quite well given the weakness of the $ compared to the Euro. The average bar wage in Ireland is between $9 - $13 an hour!

Well I always figure a good bartender pays for themselves.

I understand what you mean. However this isnt the south up here in the NW. People are a bit smarter and can't be fooled so easily. As for the mini meet I will buy you a pint if you are in the area...

I was almost in Seattle last summer. Maybe I'll make it up that way this year. If I do, I don't mind alternating rounds. :)

I was almost in Seattle last summer. Maybe I'll make it up that way this year. If I do, I don't mind alternating rounds. :)

If you do and I'm in town pm me on the boards here. I will give you directions.

If you do and I'm in town pm me on the boards here. I will give you directions.

if I show up will i get a free beer ?

if I show up will i get a free beer ?

Sure, however your friends have to pay... :p

Sure, however your friends have to pay... :p

That's alright he doesn't have any friends.

That's alright he doesn't have any friends.

I did say he would get free beer. The part I left out is that some dishes need to be washed.

As for the friends, I could probably get him some if he drinks enough and becomes belligerent. They will be the guys wearing the uniforms and badges.

Drunk and punk don't mix to well.
A perfect excuse to post this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ7pgElCPXE).

A perfect excuse to post this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ7pgElCPXE).

Aye sometimes that is fitting. As for DK, I use to listen to them.

We had Holiday in Cambodia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R11x32WoxrM&feature=PlayList&p=BB3897BDA3D64095&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2) as one of the sound tracks blaring in our tank as we rolled out of Iraq after the Gulf War. Seemed fitting at the time.


This is a fitting war song too. Kill the Poor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmq2T4dbPjE)

A perfect excuse to post this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ7pgElCPXE).

Damn ... 16 beers! Sounds like me, minus the diarrhea. I had to read teh words to understand them hehe. I've never listened to them. Pretty cool sound tho.

I wore orange. I have great grandparents who were Ulster protestants. Green beer is for bandwagoning amateurs.

I wore orange. I have great grandparents who were Ulster protestants. Green beer is for bandwagoning amateurs.

So is puking and passing out at the bar. I had several last night. I ripped the green right off those Irish wannabees as I tossed them on the sidewalk for the police to take care of. :tongue:

We had Holiday in Cambodia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R11x32WoxrM&feature=PlayList&p=BB3897BDA3D64095&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2) as one of the sound tracks blaring in our tank as we rolled out of Iraq after the Gulf War. Seemed fitting at the time.
Lolz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9UpK_uAPwI).

now I want to see that movie

You must only know some real insensitive bastards then.


People from Belfast so yeah :p

I'd call them real desensitised bastards though

Actually, in interactions between my Irish and Irish-American friends, I'd say they do still share culture. Their standard comfort meals, cultural values, etc. aren't all that different, even after a hundred or two years away from the homeland.


You mean you curry chips? Or what kind of food are we talking here?
And what cultural values?

So is puking and passing out at the bar. I had several last night. I ripped the green right off those Irish wannabees as I tossed them on the sidewalk for the police to take care of. :tongue:

What? That's about as Irish as it gets.... and what do you mean, police?