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Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?

If I could choose, I'd fuck a redhead.

Beer for lunch will have to do.

Not a thing. St. Patrick's Day is such overplayed crap in Boston anyway. 20,000 drunk college fucks all pretending to be Irish as if they needed an excuse to get hammered on a weeknight.

I plan to do the things I normally do.

100,000 in Scranton PA for parade this past weekend.

Not a thing. St. Patrick's Day is such overplayed crap in Boston anyway. 20,000 drunk college fucks all pretending to be Irish as if they needed an excuse to get hammered on a weeknight.

Of all the places I'd avoid on March 17th, it'd be Boston. Yeah, I really don't get the 'excuse' factor. Who needs an excuse? I can get drunk any old damn week night without having to play up my Irish heritage. And for those who HAVE no Irish heritage...blech! Since when is cultural appropriation okay if the culture in question is 'white'? Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?

I had an English professor who was actually English, and she wore a black band on St. Paddy's Day.

I'm going to call a bomb threat on my workplace :)




and maybe get pissed prolly have to be on the weekend though tbh because I'm a pussy

err... sleep in. return a gift and try to get my money back so I can buy another gift for my neice (she has what I orignally bought her...), clean my apartment, and take care of my crays.

don't know if anything is 'irish' but that's what I plan on doing tomorrow

Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?

...well I do stuff my face on the samosas and penda that get brought into work by people.

I'll get drunk and beat people up. :D

err... sleep in.

bloody paddy :tongue:

...well I do stuff my face on the samosas and penda that get brought into work by people.
In a sari?

I didn't think so.

I'll get drunk and beat people up. :DThat is the one thing I like about being half Irish/half aboriginal. I get to blame either side for drunken fighting, depending on which is most convenient for me at the time.

Of all the places I'd avoid on March 17th, it'd be Boston. Yeah, I really don't get the 'excuse' factor. Who needs an excuse? I can get drunk any old damn week night without having to play up my Irish heritage. And for those who HAVE no Irish heritage...blech! Since when is cultural appropriation okay if the culture in question is 'white'? Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?

It can be worthwhile if you can find one of the townie bars that hasn't been infested with the aforementioned stupid college fucks. Bars where all the guys are named Seamus and Padraic and stuff. But you usually have to venture out of the city proper to find those.

It can be worthwhile if you can find one of the townie bars that hasn't been infested with the aforementioned stupid college fucks. Bars where all the guys are named Seamus and Padraic and stuff. But you usually have to venture out of the city proper to find those.

I'd still rather find them on a day OTHER than St.Paddy's. I have to admit, I have a wicked weakness for the Bostonian Irish accent, but still.

Getting drunk.


But I dont need a holiday for that.

Slightly off-topic, but on-topic-ish - one of the bars around here is going to be doing specials, like green beer. Who gives a shit, right?

I think they've gone over the line a little, though, calling one of their cocktails for St Patricks "the carbomb".

I'm going out for a meal for a friends birthday although he did choose a restaurant in Downpatrick so it's not a complete escape from it.

Slightly off-topic, but on-topic-ish - one of the bars around here is going to be doing specials, like green beer. Who gives a shit, right?

I think they've gone over the line a little, though, calling one of their cocktails for St Patricks "the carbomb".

Carbombs have been around for aaaaagggggeeeesssss

Slightly off-topic, but on-topic-ish - one of the bars around here is going to be doing specials, like green beer. Who gives a shit, right?

I think they've gone over the line a little, though, calling one of their cocktails for St Patricks "the carbomb".

Yeah, they do that here too.

May you all fucking chip your teeth on the shot glass, you fuckers!

Yeah, they do that here too.

May you all fucking chip your teeth on the shot glass, you fuckers!

I've never met anyone who was offended by 'carbombs'

Carbombs have been around for aaaaagggggeeeesssss

My first encounter, fortunately. I wonder if they're equal-opportunities? I wonder if they'll be running a "Exploding Towers" cocktail for september 11th? Or does an event have to have a patron saint to make that kosher?

I've never met anyone who was offended by 'carbombs'

You can't have met many people who had/have been living in the UK during the long-running terror campaigns of the IRA, then.

Get the gun.

You can't have met many people who had/have been living in the UK during the long-running terror campaigns of the IRA, then.

I've lived in Belfast my whole life ;)

I've never met anyone who was offended by 'carbombs'That's because terrorism is cute when white people do it.

My first encounter, fortunately. I wonder if they're equal-opportunities? I wonder if they'll be running a "Exploding Towers" cocktail for september 11th? Or does an event have to have a patron saint to make that kosher?

Thanks, I was trying to think of a fitting name.

Slightly off-topic, but on-topic-ish - one of the bars around here is going to be doing specials, like green beer. Who gives a shit, right?

I think they've gone over the line a little, though, calling one of their cocktails for St Patricks "the carbomb".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_carbomb

Real Irish bars will not serve them.

That's because terrorism is cute when white people do it.
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No that's because people around here have learnt that humour is a good way to deal with the Troubles

My first encounter, fortunately. I wonder if they're equal-opportunities? I wonder if they'll be running a "Exploding Towers" cocktail for september 11th? Or does an event have to have a patron saint to make that kosher?

A lot of the bars around here used to call Irish Car Bombs "World Trade Centers" after the 1993 bombings. That practice sort of died off after 9/11, though.

I've lived in Belfast my whole life ;)

And I was living in London when the IRA were blowing up shopping crowds just before Christmas. Maybe Belfast has a slightly different perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_carbomb

Real Irish bars will not serve them.

Heh. I don't think they do real Irish bars around here.

And I was living in London when the IRA were blowing up shopping crowds just before Christmas. Maybe Belfast has a slightly different perspective.

Yup black humour.

See For Cod and Ulster (http://www.forcodandulster.co.uk/) or The Troubles according to my Da (http://www.culturenorthernireland.org/Event.aspx?title_id=22051)

I actually am Irish. Since my eyes are green, I don't need to wear it. I'll eat corned beef and cabbage, because I like it (and corned beed is really Jewish not Irish, the Irish in New York adopted it because it was cheap, simple and tasted good with Guinness - in fact, corned beef cooked in Guinness is damned good).

I hope I can do something...goddamn middle of finals week falls right on SPD, and I'm looking at a brutal accounting midterm on Wednesday. Maybe I'll make up for it when I come back from break.

I actually am Irish. Since my eyes are green, I don't need to wear it. I'll eat corned beef and cabbage, because I like it (and corned beed is really Jewish not Irish, the Irish in New York adopted it because it was cheap, simple and tasted good with Guinness - in fact, corned beef cooked in Guinness is damned good).

Where in Ireland? :)

No that's because people around here have learnt that humour is a good way to deal with the Troubles

Haha. My family, in pieces. Hehe, small children with bits of nailbomb in their faces.

Ah, good times.

Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?

Oh, yeah, it's tomorrow. Forgot about that. Since I'm not ethnically Irish, nor do I have green clothing, I opt for nothing. Although, like you said, if I could do anything, I'd fuck a redhead (really hot one in my French class).

Haha. My family, in pieces. Hehe, small children with bits of nailbomb in their faces.

Ah, good times.

Aye well you can always come over and tell the people of Northern Ireland that they're not dealing with events properly then ;) I'm sure they'll take your opinion on board.

You miss the point. No-one aims to mock the memories of those who died or were injured.

I actually am Irish.

Eh? I thought you were from Ohio or something?

Where in Ireland? :)

I suppose I'm going to have to qualify that. Irish-American, ok. It's a complicated story. My multiple greats grandfather left Scotland for Ireland after the '45 (The family had originally come from Ireland to Scotland about 700 years before that). Sometime in the early 1800's, they emigrated to Canada - about 40 years later, they moved to Michigan.

Slightly off-topic, but on-topic-ish - one of the bars around here is going to be doing specials, like green beer. Who gives a shit, right?

I think they've gone over the line a little, though, calling one of their cocktails for St Patricks "the carbomb".

As Reprocycle said, Irish Car Bombs (http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink7774.html) have been around for a while. Since 1979, according to this site (http://www.irishcarbomb.com/).

I suppose I'm going to have to qualify that. Irish-American, ok. It's a complicated story. My multiple greats grandfather left Scotland for Ireland after the '45 (The family had originally come from Ireland to Scotland about 700 years before that). Sometime in the early 1800's, they emigrated to Canada - about 40 years later, they moved to Michigan.

I'd probably best add that I wasn't trying to have a go there. Just curious as to the heritage involved.

(and the smiling emoticon just seems so over eager and slightly sarcastic)

Irish-American, ok

Hey, some of my family were Huegenots hundreds of years ago, I must be French-English!

I might wear something green if I think of it.

Alternatively, I might go down to the Irish grocery/restaurant I occasionally visit anyway, because I think they usually have pretty good live music on St. Patrick's day, but only if I have a reason to be in their area anyway.

Aye well you can always come over and tell the people of Northern Ireland that they're not dealing with events properly then...

That goes without saying.

Eh? I thought you were from Ohio or something?

In the states, originally from California thence to Colorado. There's another post around here somewhere detailing (for those interested, and I suspect they are few to non-existent) the Irish part of it.

That goes without saying.

Smart arse :p

Lets not get into that kind of chat or the thread will just disintegrate

My ancestry is...German, Polish, German and German.

I have no use for St. Patrick's day.

Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?


No pseudo Irishness for me. Its drunkeness and then recovering while lying around in the y-fronts.....

i was thinking about using it as an opportunity to celebrate my scandinavian ancestry. a bit of pillaging should just about do it.

Smart arse :p

Lets not get into that kind of chat or the thread will just disintegrate

Disintegrate? The thread started with the assumption of derogatory stereotyping, which is, unfortunately, now practically official in the US.

i was thinking about using it as an opportunity to celebrate my scandinavian ancestry. a bit of pillaging should just about do it.

By Crom, that sounds like manly fun!!!!


Can I come too?

I'll lie in bed crying, violently masturbating and listening to speed metal.

...we call it "Tuesday" around these 'ere parts.

And for those who HAVE no Irish heritage...blech! Since when is cultural appropriation okay if the culture in question is 'white'?
Since when is culture something that can be owned? Really, you're not Irish descended. You're descended from the waves of invaders that butchered/enslaved/outbred all the locals starting somewhere around the 10th Century.
Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?
I don't see whole bunch of people knowing what or when Diwali is.

I don't see whole bunch of people knowing what or when Diwali is.

One of the many good reasons to live in Leicester.

Since when is culture something that can be owned? Really, you're not Irish descended. You're descended from the waves of invaders that butchered/enslaved/outbred all the locals starting somewhere around the 10th Century. This has what to do with green beer?

I don't see whole bunch of people knowing what or when Diwali is.
Yet. The Irish have had a bit more time to propogate themselves in the US and Canada. Give it time, damnit!

i was thinking about using it as an opportunity to celebrate my scandinavian ancestry. a bit of pillaging should just about do it.
I've been sizing up some of my neighbors places of residence. Tomorrow, while they're out celebrating their Irish heritage by acting like idiots, I'll celebrate my English heritage by taking over their homes, stealing their furniture and changing the locks.

I've been sizing up some of my neighbors places of residence. Tomorrow, while they're out celebrating their Irish heritage by acting like idiots, I'll celebrate my English heritage by taking over their homes, stealing their furniture and changing the locks.

Do you have a flag?

bloody paddy :tongue:

day off! :p

Do you have a flag?

That's the rule..... I just made up right now.

Of all the places I'd avoid on March 17th, it'd be Boston. Yeah, I really don't get the 'excuse' factor. Who needs an excuse? I can get drunk any old damn week night without having to play up my Irish heritage. And for those who HAVE no Irish heritage...blech! Since when is cultural appropriation okay if the culture in question is 'white'? Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?Well, if Diwali promoted heavy drinking, it might be more popular...

My first encounter, fortunately. I wonder if they're equal-opportunities? I wonder if they'll be running a "Exploding Towers" cocktail for september 11th? Or does an event have to have a patron saint to make that kosher?
Nah...just needs a big holiday that is used as an excuse for drinking.

Though, I picture that as a flaming shot...


Did the green beer and green jello shots saturday, the parade sunday at my friends place down in Southie...had a nice bbq, drank entirely too much)...Tuesday, I'll be working till 5 or so, then going to a big potluck with a bunch of my friends. And no, I have no issue with the fact that everything I do this week is the epitome of Boston college student stereotype. I actually kinda revel in that...

That's the rule..... I just made up right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k

:)

St. Patrick's Day is the most pointless "holiday" ever. I plan to do absolutely nothing whatsoever.

St. Patrick's Day is the most pointless "holiday" ever. I plan to do absolutely nothing whatsoever.

Surely groundhogs day ranks lower? And Adminstrative Assistants Day? And Parents Day (because mothers day and fathers day just weren't enough, the greedy fuckers)?

St. Patrick's Day is the most pointless "holiday" ever.

Ummm, 'cept for actual Irish people, for whom it is a public holiday.

I don't see whole bunch of people knowing what or when Diwali is.

Its a Hindu festival/excuse for fireworks. As a Fenian, I find my attraction to gunpowder helps me seek out new cultures and help blow fuck out of things.


I'll celebrate my English heritage by taking over their homes, stealing their furniture and changing the locks. .

Remember - you aren't doing it right unless you act like you're doing them a favour.

Of all the places I'd avoid on March 17th, it'd be Boston. Yeah, I really don't get the 'excuse' factor. Who needs an excuse? I can get drunk any old damn week night without having to play up my Irish heritage. And for those who HAVE no Irish heritage...blech! Since when is cultural appropriation okay if the culture in question is 'white'? Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?
I guess it's just here in California, but Cinco de Mayo gets celebrated St. Patricks Day style. I think without even the ability to mutter, "I don't know...something about snakes..." as understanding from the participants.

I'm half Irish, my last name is that of a small town in Ireland with some indication that I'm the first born of first born decedent of a land owner or something from there that I obviously haven't seen and could be total bullshit (I do know that the first born of the first born get the middle name Joseph, which is my middle name). However, the green I like isn't celebrated until the twentieth of April, and I have nothing more than novelty connections to my Irish heritage, I really know next to nothing about it and have no family traditions passed down from Ireland, so anything I did on St. Patricks Day I think would be just as disingenuous as someone without any Irish heritage.

That being said, I honestly don't think it matters. I get together with family and friends and exchange gifts in December despite being an atheist, I watch fireworks and hang out with friends in July despite not being particularly patriotic, I go to an annual BBQ in May despite not being particularly fond militarism. Are there really that many Catholics in New Orleans whooping it up before lent? The individual meanings of holidays do have significance to those they are relevant to, but at the same time people just need holidays and I don't see anything wrong with hitching a ride on ones already on the calender.

I am going to eat corn beef and cabbage, and drink beer, followed by a long bubble bath.:cool:

I will be at the Orleans casino in Las Vegas wearing my green plastic Derby hat and downing Guiness at the Irish bar therein, and after that at as many other Irish bars as I can hit without incurring DUI liability :D

And I'm not even Irish. The nearest Italian holiday is St. Joseph's Day and that's March 19.

wear a kilt get drunk. the normal.

Surely groundhogs day ranks lower? And Adminstrative Assistants Day? And Parents Day (because mothers day and fathers day just weren't enough, the greedy fuckers)?

At least Groundhog Day gave us a great movie.

Ummm, 'cept for actual Irish people, for whom it is a public holiday.

I'm not an "actual Irish" person, though, so for me it's just another day.

And a "public holiday" =/= an actual holiday.

I'm going to dig this distinction...go on...

I am Irish. I'll just wear green.

I will be doing nothing in my hick town. they don't celebrate st paddy's day out here. I'm not sure many people even know what Ireland is, let alone St Patricks Day.

That being said, I honestly don't think it matters. I get together with family and friends and exchange gifts in December despite being an atheist, I watch fireworks and hang out with friends in July despite not being particularly patriotic, I go to an annual BBQ in May despite not being particularly fond militarism. Are there really that many Catholics in New Orleans whooping it up before lent? The individual meanings of holidays do have significance to those they are relevant to, but at the same time people just need holidays and I don't see anything wrong with hitching a ride on ones already on the calender.

This. Especially considering the modern traditions associated with St. Patricks Day started in the US in cities like Boston, New York, and Chicago. The first celebration a la parade, green, and drinking in Ireland didn't come around untill the mid 90's. I see it as much a celebration of Boston as I do a celebration of Ireland, much like I see Mardi Gras a celebration of New Orleans and other such areas as I do a Catholic festival. SD was right in saying that St. Patricks Day is overblown in Boston. Where we differ is that he ( I believe) sees that as a bad thing. Every city needs its overblown days...this one just happens to be ours.

Tomorrow? I'll probably just go to work, then go to class, then go to work again, then go home.

Though I must agree with the idea of fucking a redhead. I'll totally do that if the opportunity presents itself.

I'll ask Ifreann.

I'd totally forgotten it was St Patrick's day.

I'm going to be working. And then I'll have some foreign beer. Because ours is shit. :)

No pseudo Irishness for me. Its drunkeness and then recovering while lying around in the y-fronts.....
Feckin Brit.



What? An Irish person would be naked.
Ummm, 'cept for actual Irish people, for whom it is a public holiday.
I wish, I have to work. Damned parents, opening an off license. Although we probably won't be too busy. People will be in a pub all day.
wear a kilt get drunk. the normal.
Kilts are scottish, genius.
I'll ask Ifreann.

You'll be spamming GM.

I'm an American of Sicilian and Puerto Rican ancestry. I have nothing to do with the Irish.

'Course, that won't keep my from having a nice slice of soda bread.

I'm an American of Sicilian and Puerto Rican ancestry. I have nothing to do with the Irish.

'Course, that won't keep my from having a nice slice of soda bread.

Ugh! There's no such thing as a "nice slice of soda bread".

*shudders*

I'm an American of Sicilian and Puerto Rican ancestry. I have nothing to do with the Irish.

'Course, that won't keep my from having a nice slice of soda bread.

Vamos, no me digas que tu no pellizcas personas el dia de San Patricio, aunque sea. ;)

I'm going to wear orange, just to see how many people around here appreciate the irony. I doubt many; it's rural Pennsylvania, after all.

I'm going to wear orange, just to see how many people around here appreciate the irony. I doubt many; it's rural Pennsylvania, after all.

Maybe if you marched though someone's house...? Yeah - it's hard to work out quite how well it'd translate.

Maybe if you marched though someone's house...? Yeah - it's hard to work out quite how well it'd translate.

And I don't have a locker to put up the Union Jack anymore. Of course, that wasn't particularly subtle, but a huge Union Jack with a picture of Ian Paisley was pretty amusing for me, at least. I think, in a HS of 2500 students, maybe...three or four had any idea who he was.

I'm going to wear orange, just to see how many people around here appreciate the irony. I doubt many; it's rural Pennsylvania, after all.

*bombs*

Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?

I never understood the Green beer thing, but I may join a few other friends down at the Irish pub and have another pint of Kilkenny.

I hope that isn't to moronic for you?

Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?

Do you get to drink while celebrating Diwali? But then again it doesn't really matter because I'm half Irish (my mother's side).

I actually am Irish. Since my eyes are green, I don't need to wear it. I'll eat corned beef and cabbage, because I like it (and corned beed is really Jewish not Irish, the Irish in New York adopted it because it was cheap, simple and tasted good with Guinness - in fact, corned beef cooked in Guinness is damned good).

I always thought Corned beef was an English thing.

Maybe because I only eat it with Hot English mustard.

My family really doesn't pay any attention to St. Patty's Day. And I wouldn't go to Boston on any of the other 364 days of the year if I could possibly avoid it. Why the hell would I visit on March 17th?

I'm going to be working. And then I'll have some foreign beer. Because ours is shit. :)

Ok, let's play switch beer. You can have Canadian beer and we'll take the Irish beer. Because you obviously don't appreciate good beer. :tongue:

Meanwhile, me hopes daddy's feeling better otherwise I'll have no one to go out with tomorrow...

Ok, let's play switch beer. You can have Canadian beer and we'll take the Irish beer. Because you obviously don't appreciate good beer. :tongue:

Meanwhile, me hopes daddy's feeling better otherwise I'll have no one to go out with tomorrow...

Only old men drink beer that actually comes from Ireland. Almost everyone else drinks Heineken, Carlsberg or Bud. Cheap students/underage drinkers go for Dutch Gold or Tuborg. Maybe Bavaria, or Fosters.

Only old men drink beer that actually comes from Ireland. Almost everyone else drinks Heineken, Carlsberg or Bud. Cheap students/underage drinkers go for Dutch Gold or Tuborg. Maybe Bavaria, or Fosters.

I was going to make a comment about the inherent wrongness OBVIOUSLY contained in this situation, until I recalled that - when I was in Ireland, I singularly failed to drink so much as one pint of Guinness (somehow), and so have no room to talk. :(

I was going to make a comment about the inherent wrongness OBVIOUSLY contained in this situation, until I recalled that - when I was in Ireland, I singularly failed to drink so much as one pint of Guinness (somehow), and so have no room to talk. :(

There are certain laws that state that you technically haven't visited Ireland until you've had enough Guinness to turn your shit black.

There are certain laws that state that you technically haven't visited Ireland until you've had enough Guinness to turn your shit black.

I know, I know. I'm ashamed. It was an accident. An oversight.

(I even visited the damn Guinness museum, while I was there, and they give you FREE Guinness. I honestly do not recall what strange circumstances excused my apparent bizarre-ness).

If I could choose, I'd fuck a redhead.


This.

Other than that, I ignore it. The only way it mattes to me is that it's a week before my birthday.

I've kept the local community station tuned in today. I'm a long-time fan of Irish folk music, but usually it's totally ignored. On March 17, with lots of fake bonhomie, they play it.

My ears tune out the bonhomie -- in fact, I'll fight any bonhomie in the bar!

Only old men drink beer that actually comes from Ireland. Almost everyone else drinks Heineken, Carlsberg or Bud. Cheap students/underage drinkers go for Dutch Gold or Tuborg. Maybe Bavaria, or Fosters.

Personally I prefer Ashai. Heineken is good. At least when you have it at the brewery. Juliper is something I know I'll never find here in Canada... I'll just have the memories.

If you ever wanted to know what really bad beer tasted like, pick up a Labatt 50. They drink it in Quebec and for some reason like it. Labatt Blue tastes like swine piss, and that's a step up from Labatt 50. Falls into the same realm as Corona, Molsons, Miller and ever other watered-down swill that doesn't come from a Canadian microbrewery.

Bushmills.

I'm part Irish.

Sing-a-long (http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=UVF%20songs&cts=1237261519010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#)

Something that is being lost on some posters...an excuse to drink only works if it's everyones excuse to drink. Sure, you can come up with an excuse to drink on Tuesday, but if it's only your excuse to drink on a Tuesday your just that jackass drunk on a Tuesday. There's a difference. And the best way to make it "everyone drink on Tuesday" is to piggy back on a holiday.

Wear green and maybe make something with potatoes for dinner.

Given the history I am surprised potatoes are so popular in west england.

Only old men drink beer that actually comes from Ireland. Almost everyone else drinks Heineken, Carlsberg or Bud. Cheap students/underage drinkers go for Dutch Gold or Tuborg. Maybe Bavaria, or Fosters.

You'd take Bud over Kilkenny?! Man, your tastebuds are ass. Bud tastes the way piss smells.

Something that is being lost on some posters...an excuse to drink only works if it's everyones excuse to drink. Sure, you can come up with an excuse to drink on Tuesday, but if it's only your excuse to drink on a Tuesday your just that jackass drunk on a Tuesday. There's a difference. And the best way to make it "everyone drink on Tuesday" is to piggy back on a holiday.

Exactly. I have an excuse to drink every tuesday...it's called "I'm underemployed and hate my job so I might as well get drunk and work with a hangover". This Tuesday, however, I have a reason to harass my friends untill they join, cook obscene amounts of potatos and corned beef, and have a good time with other people. I don't need an excuse to drink...the rest of them do. And as you said, that only works when it's a large group.

If it was just my Irish friends drinking, well...that would still just be "Tuesday".

I once celebrated St Patricks Day at an Irish Pub in Wisconsin. trying to pass as one of them by talking with the Irish accent. I was drinking and toasting to the Irish, here is to the Irish, here is to the Irish. I had a nice time at the Irish Pub on St Patricks Day.

I once celebrated St Patricks Day at an Irish Pub in Wisconsin. trying to pass as one of them by talking with the Irish accent. I was drinking and toasting to the Irish, here is to the Irish, here is to the Irish. I had a nice time at the Irish Pub on St Patricks Day.

i always end up arrested or caught in a tree somewhere.

I'm going to spend it with my students, who are happy for any excuse to eat cupcakes and play games.

I've always harbored resentment for St. Patrick's Day, for several reasons. It was only cool when I was a kid in elementary school, when for some reason my parents never TOLD ME we were Irish (yeah, the surnames "Kelly" and "Hutton" didn't mean much when I was 8), so I spent all the years I COULD have been wearing ridiculous stuff sulking about not being Irish.

As I grew up, I began to resent it for a different reason: St. Paddy's is the day before my birthday, and all of my friends would be hungover and lame the next day. :(

So yeah, fuck St. Patrick. But it's still a good excuse to eat green cupcakes.

However, the green I like isn't celebrated until the twentieth of April...

*counts down the days*

:)

Though I must agree with the idea of fucking a redhead.

Who wouldn't agree to this idea???

...I have to work. No drinky for me.

And to be fair, most white people in the U.S. probably ARE a little Irish. They did breed quickly. I'm German, British, Irish and Mohawk (in descending order of percentages... got to get that 6% of native in there!), which I'm willing to bet is one of the most common combinations you can find.

I have a 'Kiss Me, I'm Irish' T-shirt (which becomes more effective the later the night gets)that I plan to wear. My plan is to have a big party, drink lots of stout, see if it's possible to drink enough to actually go blind (and with the 'shine I've been making, it might could happen) and generally enjoy myself in the most socially irresponsible fashion imaginable, while not worrying even a little bit about 'cultural appropriation' or 'ethnic sensitivity.'

I'm going to spend it with my students, who are happy for any excuse to eat cupcakes and play games.


If there is a large goateed student you don't recognize huddled in the back silently snacking away on cupcakes it's only in your mind.

I'm gonna sleep all day and not look for work, in honor of the Irish.

If I could choose, I'd fuck a redhead.
This.

Bushmills.
And this.

Anyways, I'll probably pop round to my local, see what's on.

And, as Celtic one the cup the other night, I'll try and avoid waving the Irish tricolour about, lest any excitable 'Gers fans are out and about.

Though I must agree with the idea of fucking a redhead. I'll totally do that if the opportunity presents itself.

Who wouldn't agree to this idea???

I wouldn't agree to doing this.

Ugh! There's no such thing as a "nice slice of soda bread".

*shudders*

Blasmephy!!

I miss my soada bread and potato bread now that I'm not at home. It just isn't a proper fry without them.

We don't celeberate that, so I'm just gonna be at a friend's house and play the 360.

Only old men drink beer that actually comes from Ireland. Almost everyone else drinks Heineken, Carlsberg or Bud. Cheap students/underage drinkers go for Dutch Gold or Tuborg. Maybe Bavaria, or Fosters.

Real men drink stout. If you don't drink stout, you won't grow a belly and the hairs on your arse fall off.

Fosters is piss.

Dutch Gold is Irish, it grows on the Northside.

Now we're back in the recession you can kiss goodbye to your beer. Its back to the traditional Irish cider drinks of Merrydown, Bulmers and Old Englishe.

If getting drunk wasn't the name of the game, who would bother pretending to be Irish on this day?

Of all the places I'd avoid on March 17th, it'd be Boston. Yeah, I really don't get the 'excuse' factor. Who needs an excuse? I can get drunk any old damn week night without having to play up my Irish heritage. And for those who HAVE no Irish heritage...blech! Since when is cultural appropriation okay if the culture in question is 'white'? Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?
Because Diwali is weird and sucks.

St. Patrick's day is fun, although I won't be doing much for it this year. My favorite St. Patrick's, I must say, is how Chicago does the damned thing.

Because Diwali is weird and sucks..

No it doesn't. It has tasty food and big fireworks.

Well? Green beer? Green clothes? Stupid big green 'Irish' top hats? Are you going to dress your fucking chihuahua up like a leprechaun? What moronic things do you like to do to celebrate St. Patrick's Day?

Sitting on my Irish sofa, and maybe going for a walk in the Irish countryside or by the Irish sea. Other than that, fuck all.

Sitting on my Irish sofa, and maybe going for a walk in the Irish countryside or by the Irish sea. Other than that, fuck all.

[annoying Yank]
Come now your going to do what all Irish do and get drunk and start fights with random oranges
[/annoying Yank]

[annoying Yank]
Come now your going to do what all Irish do and get drunk and start fights with random oranges
[/annoying Yank]

I'm weird that way, I hardly drink any alcohol any more these days...
I might fight some oranges, but Tescos doesn't have them on special offer this week.

I'm weird that way, I hardly drink any alcohol any more these days...
I might fight some oranges, but Tescos doesn't have them on special offer this week.

you lying

Nothing.

I'm weird that way, I hardly drink any alcohol any more these days...
I might fight some oranges, but Tescos doesn't have them on special offer this week.

kinda difficult to fight a fruit anyway...

you lying

You mean Tescos have got them on offer? Really?

You mean Tescos have got them on offer? Really?

you got to be getting drunk and starting a fight your irish

It's not really celebrated here, and I dindn't feel like one of the local pseudo pubs tonight, so nothing "Irish" for me. I did hav e a green been week before last when I went to fake "Irish pub out at the Universal theme park, where it's St. Pat's every day.

I can't stand those who claim to be Irish just because their Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandparent was Irish.


If one of your parents or Grandparents or Great-Grandparents was Irish, then fine, you have a good to fair claim to being Irish or part Irish.


But to all those so-called 'Irish-Americans' whose families have not had any relations to Ireland for ten generations and loudly claim to be of the blood of Eire and then march around in all green?


Please, by all means on St. Pat's day, get bladdered, get Rat-Arsed and drunk as a lord. But please, drop the sodding pretence you are even remotely Irish. It's sad, it really is.

Green shirt, but I am Irish, so I can get away with it. That's it, though.

I can't stand those who claim to be Irish just because their Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandparent was Irish.


If one of your parents or Grandparents or Great-Grandparents was Irish, then fine, you have a good to fair claim to being Irish or part Irish.


But to all those so-called 'Irish-Americans' whose families have not had any relations to Ireland for ten generations and loudly claim to be of the blood of Eire and then march around in all green?


Please, by all means on St. Pat's day, get bladdered, get Rat-Arsed and drunk as a lord. But please, drop the sodding pretence you are even remotely Irish. It's sad, it really is.

fudge off your just mad there are more irish in America then in europe.

Of all the places I'd avoid on March 17th, it'd be Boston. Yeah, I really don't get the 'excuse' factor. Who needs an excuse? I can get drunk any old damn week night without having to play up my Irish heritage. And for those who HAVE no Irish heritage...blech! Since when is cultural appropriation okay if the culture in question is 'white'? Do you see a bunch of people pretending to be Indian (dot not feather) during Diwali?

Because you can't sell beer for Diwali...

Now, of course, you could put the cotton wick in Grain Alcohol, and have the same effect ;)

Wear a green shirt and drink two pint of guinness.

But it's more because I hang out with Irish and they'll be celebratin'

fudge off your just mad there are more irish in America then in europe.


Ha! Irish in America indeed. Obviously I touched a nerve.

I prefer steak and a blowjob day. It's more fun than St. Pat's.

Ha! Irish in America indeed. Obviously I touched a nerve.

I believe the nerve was touched in your little uppity rant about "real" Irish, as if there were even such a thing.

I believe the nerve was touched in your little uppity rant about "real" Irish, as if there were even such a thing.


It was not uppity, or a rant, but fact.

So you are saying someone born in Boston or New York and whose ancestors of 200+ years ago came from Ireland can claim to be as much an Irishman/woman as someone actually born in Ireland are you?

Laughable.

you got to be getting drunk and starting a fight your irish

Not very likely... I have, however, just re-dyed my hair red, if that's any consolation?

My plans for today:

- Be embarrassed to be wearing something green by coincidence (was still sleeping while getting dressed).
- Whine on the net about how my significant appears to have forgotten it's my birthday. Seriously how is it possible to forget it, it's on bloody st paddies day. Well the day isn't over yet so who knows...

Oh look, I've already done everything on the list. Yay.

It was not uppity, or a rant, but fact.

So you are saying someone born in Boston or New York and whose ancestors of 200+ years ago came from Ireland can claim to be as much an Irishman/woman as someone actually born in Ireland are you?

Laughable.

No, I think your continued bitching and moaning about the subject demonstrates quite clearly whose nerves are touched by the topic.

It was not uppity, or a rant, but fact.

So you are saying someone born in Boston or New York and whose ancestors of 200+ years ago came from Ireland can claim to be as much an Irishman/woman as someone actually born in Ireland are you?

Laughable.

most of the Irish came in the 1860's so more like 150 years here at the most.

fudge off your just mad there are more irish in America then in europe.

Well, no, not exactly... There are currenlty an estimated 156,000 Irish in the US and 22,800 in Canada, compared to about 4 million in the Republic.

most of the Irish came in the 1860's so more like 150 years here at the most.

150 years? Wow, they became very long-lived once they got to the US, didn't they?

Well, no, not exactly... There are currenlty an estimated 156,000 Irish in the US and 22,800 in Canada, compared to about 4 million in the Republic.

really the Census says there are 36 million here
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ADPTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-parsed=true&-ds_name=ACS_2007_1YR_G00_&-_lang=en&-_caller=geoselect&-format=

really the Census says there are 36 million here
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ADPTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-parsed=true&-ds_name=ACS_2007_1YR_G00_&-_lang=en&-_caller=geoselect&-format=

Er... no it doesn't :


156,000
Number of foreign-born U.S. residents born in Ireland.
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/BasicFactsServlet>

Er... no it doesn't :


156,000
Number of foreign-born U.S. residents born in Ireland.
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/BasicFactsServlet>

thats nice. we define Irish by those with the blood.
Or all those in ulster Irish now ?

I don't do anything 'Irish' for St. Patrick's Day. Until I opened my Internet browser and started snooping around cyberspace I'd completely forgotten that it was St. Patrick's Day at all.

Personally I never need an excuse to go out and drink, but I appreciate the fact that St. Patrick's Day can cause a pub to fill up on a day when it would ordinarily be empty, such as Tuesday. So it's an indirect benefit, provided when I go out nobody starts any trouble. Unfortunately, trouble is almost inevitable, as we English aren't accomplished at rational drinking.

thats nice. we define Irish by those with the blood.
Or all those in ulster Irish now ?

Wait, you gathered blood from 3 million people??? :eek:

Wait, you gathered blood from 3 million people??? :eek:

no no 36 million. Irish in the US by blood lines.
and if you don't count blood lines, then those the UK imported and hence live there are Irish as much as you.

no no 36 million. Irish in the US by blood lines.
and if you don't count blood lines, then those the UK imported and hence live there are Irish as much as you.

Call me silly, but I usually look at the passport to find out about the nationality of someone...
Which still makes me German. I'll be Irish once I get the citizenship.

Call me silly, but I usually look at the passport to find out about the nationality of someone...
Which still makes me German. I'll be Irish once I get the citizenship.

i am talking ethnicity which is a personal matter one can claim.

Call me silly, but I usually look at the passport to find out about the nationality of someone...
Which still makes me German. I'll be Irish once I get the citizenship.

So your German identity will completely cease once you get a document from a government?

Call me silly, but I usually look at the passport to find out about the nationality of someone...
Which still makes me German. I'll be Irish once I get the citizenship.

are there any kurds?

So your German identity will completely cease once you get a document from a government?

My identity isn't German now.
My nationality will change, and I will be what they call "Irish".

My identity isn't German now.
My nationality will change, and I will be what they call "Irish".

so your identity and culture is a piece of paper nothing more ?

i am talking ethnicity which is a personal matter one can claim.

Yes, I've heard of that. By that measure, I can claim to be Russian, Austrian, Australian, USAmerican, Italian and Swedish.
However, seeing as I've never been to some of those countries, don't speak the language and have fuck-all clue about their respective cultures, I would fully understand Russians, Australians, USAmericans, Italians and Swedes getting offended if I made such a claim.

so your identity and culture is a piece of paper nothing more ?

No, my identity is, basically, me. You know, the person sitting here typing?
My culture is a sort of mixture of all cultures I came into contact with in my life, and liked.

Papers determine my nationality.

are there any kurds?

In Ireland? No idea.

Yes, I've heard of that. By that measure, I can claim to be Russian, Austrian, Australian, USAmerican, Italian and Swedish.
However, seeing as I've never been to some of those countries, don't speak the language and have fuck-all clue about their respective cultures, I would fully understand Russians, Australians, USAmericans, Italians and Swedes getting offended if I made such a claim.

I would not. you have the right to claim whatever you choose.

I would not. you have the right to claim whatever you choose.

The way I regard it (and the way most countries seem to, as well), nationality is a form of club. You're either a member, or you aren't. If you are a member, you've got a club card. If you're not, you don't.

Heritage and ethnicity are quite seperate things. I don't mind people claiming Irish relations all they like, that's totally up to them. But if they claim to be Irish without having, or ever having had, the citizenship, they are plain and simply lying.

No, my identity is, basically, me. You know, the person sitting here typing?
My culture is a sort of mixture of all cultures I came into contact with in my life, and liked.

Papers determine my nationality.

Except your ethnicity makes a difference sometimes, you know like the disease I have has a higher instance in people of Irish descent. I know that the silly old gene doesn't go around and check passports before it decides to replicate.

In Ireland? No idea.

no, at all. nobody has a kurdish passport. by you previous argument, the kurds are all iraqis and turks and such. so either you accept this conclusion and deny that there are kurds, or you reject it and have to find a different way of marking identity/nationality/whatever.

Except your ethnicity makes a difference sometimes, you know like the disease I have has a higher instance in people of Irish descent. I know that the silly old gene doesn't go around and check passports before it decides to replicate.

Does your ethnicity determine your nationality?
Does that gene mean that your US citizenship will be invalidated if they find out about it?

no, at all. nobody has a kurdish passport. by you previous argument, the kurds are all iraqis and turks and such. so either you accept this conclusion and deny that there are kurds, or you reject it and have to find a different way of marking identity/nationality/whatever.

Hey, I'm Bavarian. That's not a nationality, simply due to the fact that Bavaria isn't a country. And if you take it further down, I'm from Franken. Again, not a nationality.
My nationality is German, and Kurds are, respectively, Turkish or Iraqis nationalitywise.

Does your ethnicity determine your nationality?
Does that gene mean that your US citizenship will be invalidated if they find out about it?

My nationality is American, my grandparents immigrated here from Ireland, my ethnicity is Irish-American. My neighbor is African-American even though she doesn't know where her ancestors came from or when her family got here or if they were from Africa or what country in Africa they were from, she's pretty sure she has an African background though based on her skin being dark brown.

Hey, I'm Bavarian. That's not a nationality, simply due to the fact that Bavaria isn't a country. And if you take it further down, I'm from Franken. Again, not a nationality.
My nationality is German, and Kurds are, respectively, Turkish or Iraqis nationalitywise.

but none of the people in question claims to be an irish national. they claim to be irish.

Hey, I'm Bavarian. That's not a nationality, simply due to the fact that Bavaria isn't a country. And if you take it further down, I'm from Franken. Again, not a nationality.
My nationality is German, and Kurds are, respectively, Turkish or Iraqis nationalitywise.

And Palestinians are Israelis.

And Palestinians are Israelis.

and the trouble in rwanda was all the rwandans killing rwandans

My nationality is American, my grandparents immigrated here from Ireland, my ethnicity is Irish-American. My neighbor is African-American even though she doesn't know where her ancestors came from or when her family got here or if they were from Africa or what country in Africa they were from, she's pretty sure she has an African background though based on her skin being dark brown.
Right.

And St. Patrick's Day has what to do with ethnicity again? Because it means one thing for Irish people (i.e it's a public holiday) and another for Irish hyphenated people. (i.e an excuse to claim some generic Oirishness)

but none of the people in question claims to be an irish national. they claim to be irish.

Wait, so when someone says to you "I'm English". Do you assume they mean "ethnically English" or do you assume they're "from England"?

Wait, so when someone says to you "I'm English". Do you assume they mean "ethnically English" or do you assume they're "from England"?

depends on the context. around here, they typically will mean something like 'a noticeable portion of my ancestry came from england and i identify with that as my historical ethnicity' so that would be my baseline assumption if i have no clues to indicate otherwise.

I can't stand those who claim to be Irish just because their Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandparent was Irish.


If one of your parents or Grandparents or Great-Grandparents was Irish, then fine, you have a good to fair claim to being Irish or part Irish.


But to all those so-called 'Irish-Americans' whose families have not had any relations to Ireland for ten generations and loudly claim to be of the blood of Eire and then march around in all green?


Please, by all means on St. Pat's day, get bladdered, get Rat-Arsed and drunk as a lord. But please, drop the sodding pretence you are even remotely Irish. It's sad, it really is.


Party pooper. *gives raspberry*

thats nice. we define Irish by those with the blood.
Or all those in ulster Irish now ?

um...yes

Ulster is located either in N.Ireland or the Republic of Ireland (depending on the specific county). That would make them either N.Irish or Irish.

Even if we are going by the idea of Irish people being those with the blood. The descendents of orginal scottish settlers will have married with the orginal inhabitants and so those in N.Ireland (and the rest of Ulster) will have a lot more "Irish" blood than Irish-Americans anyway.
I would argue nationality is more of a cultural rather than genalogical phenomenon and the N.Irish are lot more culturally similar to rest of the Irish than the Irish-Americans are.

Being of Irish descent, I'm going to celebrate as best I can - by being unemployed and slightly surly.

thats nice. we define Irish by those with the blood.
Or all those in ulster Irish now ?

Just as an added note St Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland (the island) rather than a particularly nationality

I don't see why the could folk of Ulster can't lat claim to St Pat as well as the good folk of Eire.

My family is Scottish but if you go back enough generations, you have millions of ancestors and some of them will be Irish.
Now in St Pat's day nation states didn't even exist.

What I did for St Pat's Day I got my school choir to sing Danny Boy and a lot of us wore green at morning tea. Then we had nice cakes and green fruit (honeydew melond, green grapes and granny smith apples.)

Right.

And St. Patrick's Day has what to do with ethnicity again? Because it means one thing for Irish people (i.e it's a public holiday) and another for Irish hyphenated people. (i.e an excuse to claim some generic Oirishness)

It was a holiday where I grew up (not Ireland). Well, it was a holiday from school anyways - but not a bank holiday. Either way, it was a shock to me when I moved away for college and found out that I still had to go to class on March 17th.

Oh, and I'm wearing green. Too busy today to do any real celebrating.

All I'm doing is wearing a green shirt so I won't get pinched. Might pour myself a glass of Baileys after school.

Probably have a Guiness to celebrate finishing this massive pile of work.

Wait, so when someone says to you "I'm English". Do you assume they mean "ethnically English" or do you assume they're "from England"?

if they have a yankee accent obviously they mean ethnically English.

The Irish are an ethnicity now?





incidently, my family name is Conboy and I have a lot of cousins named Patrick and Shamus..

The Irish are an ethnicity now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people

The Irish people (Irish: Muintir na hÉireann, na hÉireannaigh, na Gaeil) are a Western European ethnic group who originate in Ireland
<snip>

The largest number of people of Irish descent live in the United States—about ten times more than in Ireland itself.

The Irish are an ethnicity now?



.

when have they not been ?

Oddly enough, almost everyone I know has at least some Irish in them, but I don't. I have red hair and I love potatoes, too!

I'm eating a corned beef sandwich.

Happy St. Shlomo Day !!!

when have they not been ?

The Irish are a nationality. I doubt everyone from Ireland is the same ethnicity.

The Irish are a nationality. I doubt everyone from Ireland is the same ethnicity.

Irish is a nationality and an ethnicity. It doesn't need to be one or the other

I am Irish, but I don't do anything for St. Patrick's day.

The Irish are a nationality. I doubt everyone from Ireland is the same ethnicity.

you can be ethnically Irish but not an Irish national. likewise you can be Irish national but not ethnically Irish.

The way I regard it (and the way most countries seem to, as well), nationality is a form of club. You're either a member, or you aren't. If you are a member, you've got a club card. If you're not, you don't.

Heritage and ethnicity are quite seperate things. I don't mind people claiming Irish relations all they like, that's totally up to them. But if they claim to be Irish without having, or ever having had, the citizenship, they are plain and simply lying.

No one is arguing your stance on nationality...nationality is, as you said, determined by papers essentially.

What we are saying is our heritage, ethnicity, and culture is defined by where our families came from. When people in the US ask "what are you", they mean what is your bloodline. Mine is Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English, German, Russian, and Jewish (for the most part...lots of other little bits thrown in here and there). No one is claiming to be an Irish national. What people in the US claim is an Irish lineage. "I am Irish" does not mean "I currently reside within Ireland and pay taxes to the Irish government", but "I can trace my ancestry back to Ireland". Given that this is how our culture treats the question, it is more or less a waste of time to say anything more than "I'm Irish" or "I'm Dutch" or "I'm Chinese".

I'm listening to Dropkick Murphys. Pretty much all day now.


That's about as festive as it gets.

Being Irish, I'm going to wait inside until the Bastards in the Holy Land area of Belfast stop burning cars and throwing stuff at the Police.

No one is arguing your stance on nationality...nationality is, as you said, determined by papers essentially.

What we are saying is our heritage, ethnicity, and culture is defined by where our families came from. When people in the US ask "what are you", they mean what is your bloodline. Mine is Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English, German, Russian, and Jewish (for the most part...lots of other little bits thrown in here and there). No one is claiming to be an Irish national. What people in the US claim is an Irish lineage. "I am Irish" does not mean "I currently reside within Ireland and pay taxes to the Irish government", but "I can trace my ancestry back to Ireland". Given that this is how our culture treats the question, it is more or less a waste of time to say anything more than "I'm Irish" or "I'm Dutch" or "I'm Chinese".

Fair enough.
It might be worth remembering that over here, when you say "I'm Irish", you DO mean that you have the nationality and pay taxes here. Same goes for saying that you're Dutch or Chinese or whatever.
And I have seen plenty of Irish being quite pissed about USAmericans claiming they're Irish... if you ever want to make a bad first impression, this is the way to go.

Fair enough.
It might be worth remembering that over here, when you say "I'm Irish", you DO mean that you have the nationality and pay taxes here. Same goes for saying that you're Dutch or Chinese or whatever.
And I have seen plenty of Irish being quite pissed about USAmericans claiming they're Irish... if you ever want to make a bad first impression, this is the way to go.
In my experience, when I was overseas and someone said "what are you", most people understood they were asking nationality..."You have an accent that isn't from here...where are you from?" kind of question. I think that, because the US has no ethnic group that is predominant and the like, and because of our immigrant history, "What are you" took on a very different meaning. When the sign reads "No Irish Need Apply", then where your family is from is very important. As Free Soviets ( I think it was him...too lazy to check) said, it's all about context. When I ask a friend "what are you", he knows I mean what is your bloodline. When I ask him "Where are you from", he knows I mean city and state. When he's overseas, he understands "what are you" and "where are you from" to both mean "what country do you live in?"

You'd take Bud over Kilkenny?! Man, your tastebuds are ass. Bud tastes the way piss smells.
I've never had Kilkenny, but I'd have an awful lot of things over Bud.
Real men drink stout. If you don't drink stout, you won't grow a belly and the hairs on your arse fall off.

Fosters is piss.

Dutch Gold is Irish, it grows on the Northside.

Now we're back in the recession you can kiss goodbye to your beer. Its back to the traditional Irish cider drinks of Merrydown, Bulmers and Old Englishe.
Haven't you heard? Bulmers is firing a load of people. Might not last too long.

kinda difficult to fight a fruit anyway...

Not really, you just have to make fun of his hair, and he'll come out swinging. Be prepared for lots of girly slapping, though.

No, my identity is, basically, me. You know, the person sitting here typing?
My culture is a sort of mixture of all cultures I came into contact with in my life, and liked.

Papers determine my nationality.

I have a friend who was born in the UK, now she lived there a whole of 6 months before her parents decided to move back to Australia (after working there for 2 years). Now in order for her to get back to Australia she had to get a British passport, and she has British citizenship which she still has. Now despite her parents having grown up in Australia and only lived outside of the country for a few years and despite her having grown up in Australia and living here her entire life. Are you going to say she is British simply because she was born there and has a piece of paper?

While you may become a citizen of Ireland, that doesn't mean you will become Irish in the ethnicity sense, you maybe Irish on a citizenship sense but you will still be German in the ethnicity sense of the word.

Fair enough.
It might be worth remembering that over here, when you say "I'm Irish", you DO mean that you have the nationality and pay taxes here. Same goes for saying that you're Dutch or Chinese or whatever.
And I have seen plenty of Irish being quite pissed about USAmericans claiming they're Irish... if you ever want to make a bad first impression, this is the way to go.

^This. Totally this.

Reminds me of a conversation I had in New York.

*me talking to a friend, then random friendly guy walks over*
Him: Oh, where are you from?
Me: Me? I'm Irish.
Him: Really?! Me too!
Me: ..... yeh?
Him: Yeh! Where are you from?
Me: Kildare. You?
Him: Queens.

........... r..... right.

Wait, Mongooses are from Kildare?

I just got pished.

God save the queen or somesuch.

;)

Wait, Mongooses are from Kildare?

Aye. We like the wide open plains of the Curragh. More room to wander :p

I have a friend who was born in the UK, now she lived there a whole of 6 months before her parents decided to move back to Australia (after working there for 2 years). Now in order for her to get back to Australia she had to get a British passport, and she has British citizenship which she still has. Now despite her parents having grown up in Australia and only lived outside of the country for a few years and despite her having grown up in Australia and living here her entire life. Are you going to say she is British simply because she was born there and has a piece of paper?

While you may become a citizen of Ireland, that doesn't mean you will become Irish in the ethnicity sense, you maybe Irish on a citizenship sense but you will still be German in the ethnicity sense of the word.

When did German become an ethnicity? It thought ethnically, I'm European?
I'm sure there's no such thing as clearly definable German DNA?

When did German become an ethnicity? It thought ethnically, I'm European?
I'm sure there's no such thing as clearly definable German DNA?

Wikipedia has an ethnic german (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_German) section therefore it must be so :p

Does ethnicity have anything to do with genetics?

I'm not Irish, yet I woke up yesterday with the inexplicable urge to imbibe suicidal quantities of whiskey, run out of potatoes, and blame everything on the English.

I didn't take the hint from my subconscious and thus managed to completely miss St. Pat's.

Wikipedia has an ethnic german (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_German) section therefore it must be so :p

Does ethnicity have anything to do with genetics?

Well, what is ethnicity, then?

Well, what is ethnicity, then?

According to wiki (don't have any personal knowledge of this) :

Ethnogenesis (from the Greek words ethnos ἔθνος, group of people or nation, and genesis γένεσις, origin or birth) is the process by which a group of human beings comes to be understood or to understand themselves as ethnically distinct from the wider social landscape from which their grouping emerges. By self-reinvention, ethnic groups are "present at their own creation", in the phrase of E. P. Thompson, setting traditional teleological nation-building narratives, once uncritically accepted as history, into the framework of legend.

and

An ethnic group is a group of human beings whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or presumed.[1][2] Ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness[3] and the recognition of common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioral or biological traits,[1][4] real or presumed, as indicators of contrast to other groups.[5]

According to wiki (don't have any personal knowledge of this) :



and

So, essentially it's the pressumption that you belong to a certain group of people? Regardless if the group regards you as member, or even regards itself as a group?

Atheism is an ethnicity by that definition.

So, essentially it's the pressumption that you belong to a certain group of people? Regardless if the group regards you as member, or even regards itself as a group?

Atheism is an ethnicity by that definition.

Perhaps a threshold number of those criteria must be reached before a group is regarded as an ethnicity.

In other words : I have no clue

Perhaps a threshold number of those criteria must be reached before a group is regarded as an ethnicity.

In other words : I have no clue

Thanks for posting it, though.

I had always regarded ethnicity as a short word for genetic heritage, tracable to a large group who shares similar genetic trates. You know, African, Asian, European, Native American, etc.
That's why the thought that there could be something like a German ethnicity frankly surprised me no end.

Thanks for posting it, though.

I had always regarded ethnicity as a short word for genetic heritage, tracable to a large group who shares similar genetic trates. You know, African, Asian, European, Native American, etc.
That's why the thought that there could be something like a German ethnicity frankly surprised me no end.

What about behavioural traits? Yes genes may play apart of it but then so to could the way a person behaves, some of which while may not have been in that culture for long do exhibit the traits of people from that area or ethnicity.

Of course what this does is open up a whole nature versus nurture debate. I would say that people

But then that does mean the woman in my story is actually English?

Of course in Europe there are different types of people as well, one who may have German ethnicity would be one who would have the teutonic blood. While others originating in France would have Gaulish blood and yes others from that area could also be Frankish, etc.

Haven't you heard? Bulmers is firing a load of people. Might not last too long.

Bad weather in the summer a few years running. Getting pissed down a lane while being pissed on is no laugh.

Of course in Europe there are different types of people as well, one who may have German ethnicity would be one who would have the teutonic blood. While others originating in France would have Gaulish blood and yes others from that area could also be Frankish, etc.

You know the thing about Europe? People have been trampling through each others front gardens for millenia, and happily procreated with whatever they could find.
There is no such thing as teutonic blood, despite what the Nazis desperatly wanted to believe. We're a continent of bastards, basically.
Maybe that's why we don't bother with this whole "ethnicity" thing so much as you seem to do. We got a nationality, and we got some localised feuds that usually find their outlet in football. It's got very little if anything to do with blood.

You know the thing about Europe? People have been trampling through each others front gardens for millenia, and happily procreated with whatever they could find.
There is no such thing as teutonic blood, despite what the Nazis desperatly wanted to believe. We're a continent of bastards, basically.
Maybe that's why we don't bother with this whole "ethnicity" thing so much as you seem to do. We got a nationality, and we got some localised feuds that usually find their outlet in football. It's got very little if anything to do with blood.

Or at the very least that's your opinion, I remember having this argument with you early last year which came off something about patriotism. But so no such things as teutonic blood hey? So there were no Germanic people's? And there were no Gaulish people either? Interestng, I better burn those wrong books.

Good job on the Goodwin too.

Or at the very least that's your opinion, I remember having this argument with you early last year which came off something about patriotism. But so no such things as teutonic blood hey? So there were no Germanic people's? And there were no Gaulish people either? Interestng, I better burn those wrong books.

Good job on the Goodwin too.

You might want to turn to genetics on that one. The best they can do is identify someone as most likely being from Central, Northern or Southern Europe. And even that is a guess at best, James May was told that they would have thought he was from Southern Europe, after all.
There simply is no way of telling if somebody if from Germany or from France, they are far too similar genetically.

You might want to turn to genetics on that one. The best they can do is identify someone as most likely being from Central, Northern or Southern Europe. And even that is a guess at best, James May was told that they would have thought he was from Southern Europe, after all.
There simply is no way of telling if somebody if from Germany or from France, they are far too similar genetically.

It may be something to look into more deeply. I do remember that something like that and you were able to tell where they came from e.g lighter haired people were from the North dark haired people (and olive skinned) were from the south. Also red haired people have their ancestry tracing back towards Ireland, Scotland and around that area.

It may be something to look into more deeply. I do remember that something like that and you were able to tell where they came from e.g lighter haired people were from the North dark haired people (and olive skinned) were from the south. Also red haired people have their ancestry tracing back towards Ireland, Scotland and around that area.

*lol
No they don't, actually. Same about all that nonsense about the Irish being Celtic. The Celts were a group of people first emerging in central Europe (Southern Germany), and spreading out from there. The Irish have some of their ancestry, but then they also have a good bit of Southern European (the "black Irish") and a sizeable chunk of Skandinavians.

As I said, bastards the lot of us.

*lol
No they don't, actually. Same about all that nonsense about the Irish being Celtic. The Celts were a group of people first emerging in central Europe (Southern Germany), and spreading out from there. The Irish have some of their ancestry, but then they also have a good bit of Southern European (the "black Irish") and a sizeable chunk of Skandinavians.

As I said, bastards the lot of us.

I am not denying that the blood has been shared around over the centuries but I would say the British Isles would be a good example of different genes, after all there are the Celts, as well as the Romans (not all would be from the Italian peninsula), those from Scandinavia and even the French, and don't forget those from North Germany. Each one would have brought in different genetic traits which would mix it up.

Just looking into it at the moment, just something that got brought up was the Human Genome Diversity Project, which identified 52 distinct ethnic groups 8 of which are in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Diversity_Project

"An ethnic group is a group of human beings whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or presumed. Ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness and the recognition of common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioral or biological traits, real or presumed, as indicators of contrast to other groups."

I know it is only from the Wiki, but within it, this defintion does also mention the cultural aspect of it which was something I touched on when I was talking about the behaviour of people too.

"An ethnic group is a group of human beings whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage that is real or presumed. Ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness and the recognition of common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioral or biological traits, real or presumed, as indicators of contrast to other groups."

I know it is only from the Wiki, but within it, this defintion does also mention the cultural aspect of it which was something I touched on when I was talking about the behaviour of people too.

Yes, but that also mentions that the ethnicity can be entirely pressumed, without needing any basis in reality or fact, apparently.
So I could claim atheism as an ethnicity.... or left-handedness.

Yes, but that also mentions that the ethnicity can be entirely pressumed, without needing any basis in reality or fact, apparently.
So I could claim atheism as an ethnicity.... or left-handedness.

If you want to claim that Atheism is a biological factor as well then yes. And if those who are lefties have common cultural traits with righties then yes.

If you want to claim that Atheism is a biological factor as well then yes. And if those who are lefties have common cultural traits with righties then yes.

Well, there is an argument to be made for having to find a way to use scissors, can openers and the like. And I'm sure you could call all the different approaches to the problems "culture".... but what use would that be? Why would anybody have an interest in doing that?

When did German become an ethnicity?
a long time ago. though as i understand it, they started downplaying it after a bit of nastiness involving claims of ethnic superiority a few decades back.

a long time ago. though as i understand it, they started downplaying it after a bit of nastiness involving claims of ethnic superiority a few decades back.

Funny how they don't have those great "German pride" rallies anymore...

Yes, but that also mentions that the ethnicity can be entirely pressumed, without needing any basis in reality or fact, apparently.
So I could claim atheism as an ethnicity.... or left-handedness.

like all social constructions, ethnicity requires at least the basis in reality of others partaking of it. it is conceivable that left-handers could decide to see themselves as an ethnicity, but it doesn't seem likely.

Well, there is an argument to be made for having to find a way to use scissors, can openers and the like. And I'm sure you could call all the different approaches to the problems "culture".... but what use would that be? Why would anybody have an interest in doing that?

Because DAMN IT, I get very frustrated when I have to learn how to use things with my right when it isn't natural. :p

But then they would have to identify with each other, through a common heritage. (using the definition)

Because DAMN IT, I get very frustrated when I have to learn how to use things with my right when it isn't natural. :p

But then they would have to identify with each other, through a common heritage. (using the definition)

Lefthanded scissors.

About as much heritage as the Irish-Americans share with the Irish living here these days.

When did German become an ethnicity? It thought ethnically, I'm European?
I'm sure there's no such thing as clearly definable German DNA?
Look at the Balkans. While they're all European, the ethnic Albanians were being killed by Serbs.
Thanks for posting it, though.

I had always regarded ethnicity as a short word for genetic heritage, tracable to a large group who shares similar genetic trates. You know, African, Asian, European, Native American, etc.
That's why the thought that there could be something like a German ethnicity frankly surprised me no end.
Genetics has nothing to do with ethnicity, really. It is a group of people that generally share a common homeland and culture, along with these peoples descendents. Membership is through self-identification with the group.

You know the thing about Europe? People have been trampling through each others front gardens for millenia, and happily procreated with whatever they could find.
There is no such thing as teutonic blood, despite what the Nazis desperatly wanted to believe. We're a continent of bastards, basically.
Maybe that's why we don't bother with this whole "ethnicity" thing so much as you seem to do. We got a nationality, and we got some localised feuds that usually find their outlet in football. It's got very little if anything to do with blood.Again, Serbia and the rest of the Balkans disagree...Europe very much does pay attention to ethnic groups. As would Ireland, oddly enough. And the Basques in Spain and France. Europe does plenty with ethnic groups.

Aye. We like the wide open plains of the Curragh. More room to wander :p
Fuck yeah the Curragh. Ifreanns are from Kildare too. Though I'm in D4 most of the week :(
Bad weather in the summer a few years running. Getting pissed down a lane while being pissed on is no laugh.

Yeah, cider is really a summer drink.

Lefthanded scissors.

About as much heritage as the Irish-Americans share with the Irish living here these days.

How exactly does left-handed scissors sharing a common heritage?

How exactly does left-handed scissors sharing a common heritage?

How does pretending to believe in leprechauns?

How does pretending to believe in leprechauns?

your just mad because Irish Americans will always be more Irish then you.

How does pretending to believe in leprechauns?

Is it me or is everyone trying to confuse me? What has this got to do with anything?

Again, Serbia and the rest of the Balkans disagree...Europe very much does pay attention to ethnic groups. As would Ireland, oddly enough. And the Basques in Spain and France. Europe does plenty with ethnic groups.

and it used to be even worse before the nationalizing of ethnicity.

your just mad because Irish Americans will always be more Irish then you.

Cute, but Cabra actually lives in Ireland. I dare say she could get an Irish passport. That sounds a whole lot more Irish than people are are descended from people that lived in Ireland and could have gotten an Irish passport(but are now dead).

Cute, but Cabra actually lives in Ireland. I dare say she could get an Irish passport. That sounds a whole lot more Irish than people are are descended from people that lived in Ireland and could have gotten an Irish passport(but are now dead).

Ethnicity is not a piece of paper.

Ethnicity is not a piece of paper.

Ok, so it's not a piece of paper.
It has also been established that it's not genes.
Also, it's not a share culture, simply due to the fact that the Irish here and Irish-Americans don't share one that nobody else shares.

What is it, so? The belief to belong to a certain group, without any base in reality, or even just approval by the group in question?

So, if ethnicity=nationality then all of US America is the same ethnicity so we don't need any more black history month right?

So, if ethnicity=nationality then all of US America is the same ethnicity so we don't need any more black history month right?

*shrugs*
Not sure why you had one in the first place. It's not as if the UK had a Scottish history month, or France a Breton history month...

So, if ethnicity=nationality then all of US America is the same ethnicity so we don't need any more black history month right?

If ethnicity = nationality, then there are no such things as Palestinians, or Kurds, or Tibetans.

edit: All aboriginal "ethnic" groups do not exist either.

If ethnicity = nationality, then there are no such things as Palestinians, or Kurds, or Tibetans.

Then how are we supposed to free Tibet?

Ok, so it's not a piece of paper.
It has also been established that it's not genes.
Also, it's not a share culture, simply due to the fact that the Irish here and Irish-Americans don't share one that nobody else shares.

What is it, so? The belief to belong to a certain group, without any base in reality, or even just approval by the group in question?

it is shared culture and history, though in the colonies that gets turned to cultural ancestry.

in USia, the only people who identify primarily as 'americans' are, well, southerners.
http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/usancestry-2000.jpg

Ok, so it's not a piece of paper.
It has also been established that it's not genes.
Also, it's not a share culture, simply due to the fact that the Irish here and Irish-Americans don't share one that nobody else shares.

What is it, so? The belief to belong to a certain group, without any base in reality, or even just approval by the group in question?

This has already been explained to you multiple times. It is a shared culture, history, and ancestry.

it is shared culture and history, though in the colonies that gets turned to cultural ancestry.

in USia, the only people who identify primarily as 'americans' are, well, southerners.
http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/usancestry-2000.jpg

Ok... so there's no shared culture with the actual geography, such as with the Irish and the Germans, but there used to be a shared culture a century or 2 ago?

In my understanding that might make the Irish-Americans a distinct group of their own, but as there's no shared culture with the actual Irish of today, why would they claim to belong to that group?

This has already been explained to you multiple times. It is a shared culture, history, and ancestry.

Can you please point out what culture the Irish-Americans and Americans share today?

Can you please point out what culture the Irish-Americans and Americans share today?

I'll assume you meant Irish-Americans and Irish.

They both celebrate St. Patrick's Day. Next.