NationStates Jolt Archive

I know this has been mentioned in the mega thread, but I think it deserves a new thread. If it doesn't then I implore the mods to merge it. I am enraged at this notion that there are real Americans and fake Americans. I am enraged that McCain/Palin is suggesting that there are pro-American places in this country and anti-American parts. It makes me want to scream that people like Nancy PFhthendnehsndndnNower would prop up this BS on national television. It makes me angry that a congresswoman would ask for an investigation into congress to find those who are anti-America. I don't get mad about Rush Limbaugh because I already see him as a circus side show. These people should be punched in the face every time they blabber on about this tripe. As a fake American from NY/NJ I raise a huge middle finger in the air to all of these clowns. I'll take my un-American Marine ass and vote against every one of you that makes these stupid claims. I'll write letters to editors and expose your web of lies and bigotry. I'll remind you that Osama Bin Laden thought NYC was real America when he murdered two of my friends and 3,000+ others. How dare you continue to try and divide this nation! We will come together and destroy you and your ugly mindset.

#end rant#

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatred?

Thank you.

It's politicians doing what they do best. Lying to you to get you to go their way. Ignore it or use your vote to make your point.

In a similar vein:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/real-america-looks-different-to-palin.html


Real Americans, everyone who was born here or is a naturalized citizen.

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatre

Sorry I cut out your rant. I would just mention how many republicans use 9/11 as a rallying cry, and then metaphorically spit on New York culture. Personally I am tired of this America love it or leave it. That kind of tactic is a disgrace the constitution was Ammendable for a reason because no country is perfect, and wanting to fix some of those problems is not un-American.

John Titor's visit to the past apparently pushed the war between the cities and the countryside off a few years, but it's still coming. That's what she's talking about.

The McCain campaign is pretty much trying to drive a wedge between democratic and republican bases, probably attempting to make sure that he gets at least some of the undecided voters. Hints at desperation in my opinion.

What do I think? I think it's deplorable that McCain's side's ressorting to a tatcic like this one to try to win sympathy and votes. Come on, if you're from Spain, you're Spanish. There's no bullshit about true Spaniards and false ones. Being from a country makes you a national from that country. If someone says otherwise, they're bullshitting you.

In a similar vein:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/real-america-looks-different-to-palin.html


Real Americans, everyone who was born here or is a naturalized citizen.Of course everyone knows that 'real', 'Pro-America' Americans are white...

The rest of us are just something they tolerate because someone has to pick up the garbage..

No true Scotsman...fallacy.

It's great that a famous error in reasoning is being committed in American politics. Wait, that happens all the time, doesn't it?

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatred?

Thank you.

I think it's yet another reminder to all of us that there are plenty of people out there who don't really believe in American democracy. They don't believe that the rights of citizenship should apply to people who are unlike them. And if that's what they really think, I think they should keep saying it, loudly and clearly, because in a democratic system, the more people you exclude for ideological impurities the harder it is to build a majority -- just ask the Old Left.

Also, I thought it was kind of refreshing to see Olbermann get so worked up about this last night. Usually I don't watch him but after I heard Michele Bachmann's little pro-American/anti-American maunderings I tuned in just to see him get apoplectic.

I know this has been mentioned in the mega thread, but I think it deserves a new thread. If it doesn't then I implore the mods to merge it. I am enraged at this notion that there are real Americans and fake Americans. I am enraged that McCain/Palin is suggesting that there are pro-American places in this country and anti-American parts. It makes me want to scream that people like Nancy PFhthendnehsndndnNower would prop up this BS on national television. It makes me angry that a congresswoman would ask for an investigation into congress to find those who are anti-America. I don't get mad about Rush Limbaugh because I already see him as a circus side show. These people should be punched in the face every time they blabber on about this tripe. As a fake American from NY/NJ I raise a huge middle finger in the air to all of these clowns. I'll take my un-American Marine ass and vote against every one of you that makes these stupid claims. I'll write letters to editors and expose your web of lies and bigotry. I'll remind you that Osama Bin Laden thought NYC was real America when he murdered two of my friends and 3,000+ others. How dare you continue to try and divide this nation! We will come together and destroy you and your ugly mindset.

#end rant#
Couldn't agree more. I was watching the Daily Show last night and hated that! I'm from big city-areas (and I'm Republican, by the way) and don't think that being a backwards hick living and dying in this same little village where everyone refuses to live their life without their "little town" horse-blinders and is totally happy with their small town and their life-long mediocrity makes one anymore of a real American than an important CEO in New York, boldly poineering us into a newer age with advanced technology, or an architect in Miami Beach, making our cities beautiful and attractive to tourists from all over, or or or.....

Give me a fucking break.:rolleyes:

I'll take my un-American Marine ass and vote against every one of you

Wow, so you want everything your fellow troops fought for to be for absolutely nothing. How stunning expected.

Wow, so you want everything your fellow troops fought for to be for absolutely nothing. How stunning expected.

And what exactly do you mean by that?

And what exactly do you mean by that?

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.

Wow, so you want everything your fellow troops fought for to be for absolutely nothing. How stunning expected.

Did you seriously post this crap......

It's sad to see that tactic being used, and to quote the great Jon Stewart:

"Fuck all y'all!":mad:

Wow, so you want everything your fellow troops fought for to be for absolutely nothing. How stunning expected.

It's a sunk cost. "Winning" Iraq will not make their deaths more meaningful. They are already dead and did whatever good and bad things they did in life before that.

It's a sunk cost. "Winning" Iraq will not make their deaths more meaningful. They are already dead and did whatever good and bad things they did in life before that.

I'd like to think that if Iraq can become a stable, peace, prosperous, democratic state, that maybe their deaths meant something. Thanks to the Democrats, that will never be.

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.

No he is going to vote for the party that is going to stop writing a blank check to Iraq when they have a 79 billion dollar surpluss. THAT IS A *DUH*
Also in this we cant lose in Iraq frenzy Afganistan and al-queda gets neglected by republicans. Oh and I think I will add this in 9/11 what kind of attack was that?? Oh right economic, and whats happening right now???? HMMMMM.

I'd like to think that if Iraq can become a stable, peace, prosperous, democratic state, that maybe their deaths meant something. Thanks to the Democrat party, that will never be.

Their deaths will not mean more or less, no matter what happens to Iraq. Hence, sunk cost.

Also: Democratic party, not democrat.

I'd like to think that if Iraq can become a stable, peace, prosperous, democratic state, that maybe their deaths meant something. Thanks to the Democrat party, that will never be.

Heh not to put the cat amongst the pigeons(okay perhaps a little) what you mean of course is democratic. As it was stable, quite peacefull(dependant on what faith you are) and prosperous before hand. Say you have not been been taking in by properganda have ya?

I know this has been mentioned in the mega thread, but I think it deserves a new thread. If it doesn't then I implore the mods to merge it. I am enraged at this notion that there are real Americans and fake Americans. I am enraged that McCain/Palin is suggesting that there are pro-American places in this country and anti-American parts. It makes me want to scream that people like Nancy PFhthendnehsndndnNower would prop up this BS on national television. It makes me angry that a congresswoman would ask for an investigation into congress to find those who are anti-America. I don't get mad about Rush Limbaugh because I already see him as a circus side show. These people should be punched in the face every time they blabber on about this tripe. As a fake American from NY/NJ I raise a huge middle finger in the air to all of these clowns. I'll take my un-American Marine ass and vote against every one of you that makes these stupid claims. I'll write letters to editors and expose your web of lies and bigotry. I'll remind you that Osama Bin Laden thought NYC was real America when he murdered two of my friends and 3,000+ others. How dare you continue to try and divide this nation! We will come together and destroy you and your ugly mindset.

#end rant#

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatred?

Thank you.
All I can say is I was very, very pleased with Biden when he called them on it.

Heh not to put the cat amongst the pigeons(okay perhaps a little) what you mean of course is democratic. As it was stable, quite peacefull(dependant on what faith you are) and prosperous before hand. Say you have not been been taking in by properganda have ya?

Yeah, that sounds like the American mindset. "If we leave, it'll all be like it was before, no problem".

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.Yeah right. It's total crap now, but hey... we're in charge of the crap...:rolleyes:

Maybe Real America is what reality television is to other types of television programming. Just as contrived and pretentious, but less aware of it.

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.

Youve shown time and time again that you dont know jack shit about American politics, government, or well anything else for that matter. Why do you keep trying?

Stop hijacking every fucking thread and making it about Iraq. Seriously, stay on topic, know what your talking about, or GTFO.


The Daily Show bit on it last night was excellent. John Stewert was geniunly pissed off, and it showed. I was really proud of him. Proud, thats the only word I can use to describe it. I was proud to call him a fellow American. Oh wait, I hate America.

But why is this news? The Bush Administration has been pulling this crap for 7 years. It doesnt excuse it, nor does it make it any less shameful. I dont know, I think Im just desensitized.

Luizzo, you fought for this country. And you clearly hate merika. What a waste, huh?

Youve shown time and time again that you dont know jack shit about American politics, government, or well anything else for that matter. Why do you keep trying?

Stop hijacking every fucking thread and making it about Iraq. Seriously, stay on topic, know what your talking about, or GTFO.

The ignore list is your friend, yo.

The Daily Show bit on it last night was excellent. John Stewert was geniunly pissed off, and it showed. I was really proud of him. Proud, thats the only word I can use to describe it. I was proud to call him a fellow American. Oh wait, I hate America.

I believe he said it best if you are watching the Daily show you are not a real American.

"Real America" is just the latest in non-substantial issues that the Right plays to distract us from issues that matter. It has no more value than a flag pin on your lapel. Laugh at the instigators but otherwise ignore them. The only thing they want is your attention. Deny them that, and they're powerless.


The ignore list is your friend, yo.

Don't I wish. Unfortunately, I have to leave all fools and zealots unblocked, so better to moderate these forums.

I'd like to think that if Iraq can become a stable, peace, prosperous, democratic state, that maybe their deaths meant something. Thanks to the Republicans, that will never be.
Fixed. The only way Iraq becomes stable is if we respect their democratically-expressed wishes and get the hell out of there.

I keep getting the feeling that the extremest right wants an honest to goodness war with the extremest left. Geeze...

And the tone of the poltical campagine does smack of it. With the BS about Joe the Plumber and class warfare.

Republicans and Democrats need to remember that this is just a silly political campagine. But both sides treat it as if it's the war of the ages. True, the issues are very, very serious, I don't doubt that. But both sides are motivated towards hate, anger, and vengence on the other.

I keep having to remind myself, that politics are a game and both sides want us to be motivated. But people can get carried away, as it can be shown. I hate devicive poltics, and McCain and Palin have been the worse on this deviciveness. It's very nausating.

These right-wing zealots regularly use this as one of the weapons in their arsenal. They aint got nothing else much, so they get their kicks (and votes) by underestimating the intelligence of the American voter.
Sadly, they often succeed.
Hence, George the II for two terms.

Hopefully now American voters have developed antibodies to these xenophobic germs.

Yes, its ridiculous. There's no such thing as a 'real' or 'fake' American. An American is just someone living in America who has citizenship. All this "culture war" nonsense with the right and left trying to push their own notions of what are "true" American values does is highlight how meaningless notions of national identity are. How can you presume to have a connection and shared values and form a meaningful "community" when you're never going to meet more than a tiny percentage of the population and these people clearly have have different material interests and ideological perspectives.

I know this has been mentioned in the mega thread, but I think it deserves a new thread. If it doesn't then I implore the mods to merge it. I am enraged at this notion that there are real Americans and fake Americans. I am enraged that McCain/Palin is suggesting that there are pro-American places in this country and anti-American parts. It makes me want to scream that people like Nancy PFhthendnehsndndnNower would prop up this BS on national television. It makes me angry that a congresswoman would ask for an investigation into congress to find those who are anti-America. I don't get mad about Rush Limbaugh because I already see him as a circus side show. These people should be punched in the face every time they blabber on about this tripe. As a fake American from NY/NJ I raise a huge middle finger in the air to all of these clowns. I'll take my un-American Marine ass and vote against every one of you that makes these stupid claims. I'll write letters to editors and expose your web of lies and bigotry. I'll remind you that Osama Bin Laden thought NYC was real America when he murdered two of my friends and 3,000+ others. How dare you continue to try and divide this nation! We will come together and destroy you and your ugly mindset.

#end rant#

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatred?

Thank you.

Couldn't agree more. I was watching the Daily Show last night and hated that! I'm from big city-areas (and I'm Republican, by the way) and don't think that being a backwards hick living and dying in this same little village where everyone refuses to live their life without their "little town" horse-blinders and is totally happy with their small town and their life-long mediocrity makes one anymore of a real American than an important CEO in New York, boldly poineering us into a newer age with advanced technology, or an architect in Miami Beach, making our cities beautiful and attractive to tourists from all over, or or or.....

Give me a fucking break.:rolleyes:

Agreed. Fuck Palin. "Fuck all y'all."

I liked not only what Stewart had to say, but the reference to the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

McCain/Palin weren't satisfied with channeling George Wallace, now they have to channel McCarthy.

I'm a proud fake American.

Fuck All Y'all indeed.

Funny isn't it, that if you were asked to close your eyes and visualise a real American, most of you might visualise a white male (possibly wearing a baseball cap). However, Americans come in all shapes, sizes, colours,genders and ideologies.

And yet, there are things about Americans that characterise them.....patriotism, sentimentality, a strongly defensive view on liberty, some might argue a slightly superior attitude to most of the world (Go on, admit it you know deep down it's true!) Mind you I'm generalising my butt off here!

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatred?
Thank you.I think it's getting really old. Like, almost eight years old.

Agreed. Fuck Palin. "Fuck all y'all."

I liked not only what Stewart had to say, but the reference to the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

McCain/Palin weren't satisfied with channeling George Wallace, now they have to channel McCarthy.

It's sad to see that tactic being used, and to quote the great Jon Stewart:

"Fuck all y'all!":mad:Agreed!

I keep getting the feeling that the extremest right wants an honest to goodness war with the extremest left. Geeze...

Unfortuanetly the right has most of the guns for that war...:eek2:

And the tone of the poltical campagine does smack of it. With the BS about Joe the Plumber and class warfare.

Class warfare?? What the hell has Bush been doing for 8 years making war on the middle class.:mad:

Jon Stewart makes me wish I had cable again.

Can one of you smart, computer-savvy people do a map of "Real America" like the old electoral map of "USA and Jesusland" from four years ago, based on those areas that Nancy What's-her-pfuck was pulling out of her ass?

I think we need to see that map.

Unfortuanetly the right has most of the guns for that war...:eek2:



Luckily, they are easy to outsmart.

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.

Is it possible that he's voting for the "hey, we were lied to and never should have been in Iraq in the first place" party?

I heard part of an Obama speech on the radio while on the way back from class Monday. I'm paraphrasing here, but it went something like this:
"The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't fighting for Blue States or Red States, they're fighting for the UNITED States."

I thought to myself, "Why the hell isn't that line being repeated over and over everywhere? God damn, people, that's worth putting in a little blurb in textbooks or something."

Its really too bad McCain got coopted by his campaign and the fake conservatives (who are, in my opinion, the REAL fake Americans. I doubt even the most rabid 'far-left whackjob' has the hypocrisy levels needed to sell out his country and call it patriotism.) I think that, at one point, McCain really would have been a good president. Maybe not ideal, but certainly better than Bush. Maybe even better than Obama.

Now, of course, the Republican party has its arm so far up his ass that they're controlling him by poking his brain.

Jon Stewart makes me wish I had cable again.thedailyshow.com and click on "Full Episodes". They'll be a day or two late, but for non cablists and forinners its the only option.

Can one of you smart, computer-savvy people do a map of "Real America" like the old electoral map of "USA and Jesusland" from four years ago, based on those areas that Nancy What's-her-pfuck was pulling out of her ass?

I think we need to see that map.
Hell, I could do that on paper. It'd probably look better too. Or you just find a map that features population density.

I'm anti-American, and I'll gladly admit it. Can't stand any country, for that matter.

I'm anti-American, and I'll gladly admit it. Can't stand any country, for that matter.Transnational-progressivist! :mad:
Why do you hate freedom? :(

I'm anti-American, and I'll gladly admit it. Can't stand any country, for that matter.

That means you're an alien, right?:tongue:

Also, in response to what I believe may have been an "anti-gun" post, UP WITH GUNS!!!!

That means you're an alien, right?:tongue:

No, but I do not believe in government at anything at or above town level. We need a tribal system, like what sensible anarchy proposes.

No, but I do not believe in government at anything at or above town level. We need a tribal system, like what sensible anarchy proposes.We have bigger sticks. We win. :p

No, but I do not believe in government at anything at or above town level. We need a tribal system, like what sensible anarchy proposes.

Ah, an anarchist. I understand now.:wink:

Sorry for this spam, but I'll only support most anything if my french teacher (whom I love. I LOVE YOU MS. *CENSORED, LEST SHE SEE THIS*) does.

thedailyshow.com and click on "Full Episodes". They'll be a day or two late, but for non cablists and forinners its the only option.

This is worth repeating - and bolding! :wink:

Attention. If you are living in one of these cities, you are not a real American:

New York City New York 8,250,567 1 18,818,536 Northeast
2 Los Angeles California 3,849,378 2 12,950,129 West
3 Chicago Illinois 2,833,321 3 9,505,748 Midwest
4 Houston Texas 2,169,248 6 5,539,949 South
5 Phoenix Arizona 1,512,986 13 4,039,182 West
6 Philadelphia Pennsylvania 1,448,394 5 5,826,742 Northeast
7 San Antonio Texas 1,296,682 29 1,942,217 South
8 San Diego California 1,256,951 17 2,941,454 West
9 Dallas Texas 1,232,940 4 6,003,967 South
10 San Jose California 929,936 30 1,787,123 West


And these places are just quite too dense to offer that small town feeling that real Americans require to live in:

Manhattan, New York Borough and
County 25,850/km² 66,940/mi²
Guttenberg, New Jersey Town 21,961/km² 56,012/mi²
Union City, New Jersey City 20,454/km² 52,978/mi²
West New York, New Jersey Town 17,124/km² 44,352/mi²
Brooklyn, New York Borough and
County 13,481/km² 34,917/mi²
The Bronx, New York Borough and
County 12,242/km² 31,709/mi²
Hoboken, New Jersey City 11,675/km² 30,239/mi²
New York City, New York City 10,194/km² 26,403/mi²
Maywood, California City 9,189/km² 23,887/mi²
Cliffside Park, New Jersey Borough 9,253/km² 23,848/mi²
East Newark, New Jersey Borough 9,178/km² 23,330/mi²
Passaic, New Jersey City 8,425/km² 21,805/mi²
Cudahy, California City 8,345/km² 21,628/mi²
Huntington Park, California City 7,819.5/km² 20,254/mi²
Somerville, Massachusetts 7,285/km² 18,868/mi²[16]
Paterson, New Jersey 6,826.4/km² 17,675.4/mi²
San Francisco, California 6,349/km² 16,443/mi²
Chelsea, Massachusetts 6,211/km² 16,086/mi²
Jersey City, New Jersey 6,120/km² 15,852/mi²
Central Falls, Rhode Island 6,096/km² 15,789/mi²[17]
Chicago, Illinois 4,866/km² 12,603/mi²
Edgewater, Illinois 13,800/km² 35,743/mi²)
Miami Beach, Florida 4,830/km² 12,502/mi²
Santa Ana, California 4,751/km² 12,306/mi²
Boston, Massachusetts 4,697/km² 12,166/mi²
Back Bay/Beacon Hill, Massachusetts 11,463/km² 29,690/mi²)
Hialeah, Florida 4,544/km² 11,768/mi²
Hamtramck, Michigan 4,537/km² 11,750/mi²
Newark, New Jersey 4,459/km² 11,548/mi²
Miami, Florida 4,407/km² 11,534/mi²
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 4,190/km² 10,852/mi²
Yonkers, New York 4,162/km² 10,780/mi²
Washington, District of Columbia 3,502/km² 9,070/mi²
Los Angeles, California 3,078/km² 7,972/mi²
Baltimore, Maryland 2,970/km² 7,693/mi²
Buffalo, New York 2,786/km² 7,217/mi²
Oakland, California 2,724/km² 7,054/mi²
Minneapolis, Minnesota 2,691/km² 6,969/mi²
Seattle, Washington 2,563/km² 6,639/mi²
New Haven, Connecticut 2,527/km² 6,554/mi²
Downtown New Haven 5,633/km² 14,590/mi²[18]
Detroit, Michigan 2,470/km² 6,398/mi²
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 2,399.5/km² 6,214.7/mi²
Cleveland, Ohio 2,353/km² 6,095/mi²
Lakewood, Ohio 3,895/km² 10,088/mi²
St. Louis, Missouri 2,199/km² 5,696/mi²
University City, Missouri 2,457/km² 6,363.1/mi²
Mechanicville, New York 2,091/km² 5,577/mi²
San Jose, California 1,953/km² 5,059/mi²
Cincinnati, Ohio 1,612/km² 4,174/mi²
Portland, Oregon 1,503/km² 3,894/mi²
Atlanta, Georgia 1,425/km² 3,690.5/mi²
Denver, Colorado 1,396.4/km² 3,642/mi²
Dallas, Texas 1,348/km² 3,492/mi²
Columbus, Ohio 1,307/km² 3,384/mi²
Houston, Texas 1,287/km² 3,333/mi²
Phoenix, Arizona 1,061/km² 2,749/mi²


Also, I've recently discovered that, according to Palin and her claims, Reagan, though born in small town, went to Southern California, to the L.A. area (and Hollywood), where he lived until he died. That may be the capital of un-Americanism which makes Reagan.... an un-American!:eek:

You've got you km² and mi² backwards, TAI.

Nancy What's-her-pfuck

Who is this and what did she say?

You've got you km² and mi² backwards, TAI.
I didn't write those stats, I copied and pasted it...I'd never take the time to write all that! :p

I didn't write those stats, I copied and pasted it...I'd never take the time to write all that! :pWhoever did that... DID IT WRONG!

Whoever did that... DID IT WRONG!

It was Al Gore.


Or the Russians....

*snip*

My town is denser than Phoenix but less dense than Houston. Of course, we've only got about 55,000 people including students and the reservation so I think we qualify as Real Americans by that measure. Of course, we elected a Green to the city council so that disqualifies us immediately.

It was Al Gore.


Or the Russians....The Commies are comming, the Com-
Oh, WAIT. Paul Reviere said the Red-coats, right?
The red-coats are comming!

Even though he most certainly did not shout anything. :p

Who is this and what did she say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzeGtPeQZbs

The Commies are comming, the Com-
Oh, WAIT. Paul Reviere said the Red-coats, right?
The red-coats are comming!

Even though he most certainly did not shout anything. :p

Red coats, commies, same thing. They're both red.

My town is denser than Phoenix but less dense than Houston. Of course, we've only got about 55,000 people including students and the reservation so I think we qualify as Real Americans by that measure. Of course, we elected a Green to the city council so that disqualifies us immediately.

If students make up a large enough portion of your town for you list them when talking about your town's population, it's too large. Your town is not backwards and hick enough to be Real America™.

Class warfare?? What the hell has Bush been doing for 8 years making war on the middle class.:mad:

Yea, I wrote a letter to the local paper making that very point. :) Although I doubt it will break through those idiot Republican heads in my state.

Who is this and what did she say?She is a campaign spokesperson who said that, no matter what happens in Northern Virginia, "Real" Virginia will vote for McCain. McCain's remaining support in Northern Virginia evaporated immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzeGtPeQZbsWhat.
Is it even possible to drown in your own stupidity*?
*Not referring to anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzeGtPeQZbs

Pfotenhauer, huh? That doesn't sound like a real American name. Sounds kind of...communist-y.

Yea, I wrote a letter to the local paper making that very point. :) Although I doubt it will break through those idiot Republican heads in my state.

What state??

If students make up a large enough portion of your town for you list them when talking about your town's population, it's too large. Your town is not backwards and hick enough to be Real America™.

But we've got the state Vietnam War memorial! Doesn't that count?!

This all started when we let them Injuns build their casino...

Pfotenhauer, huh? That doesn't sound like a real American name. Sounds kind of...communist-y.
Sounds....German! :eek2:
:p

But we've got the state Vietnam War memorial! Doesn't that count?!

This all started when we let them Injuns build their casino...

Yes, convienently had the 'Nam memorial placed in your town so that could spit on it, did you! You bunch of fake Americans!

Sounds....German! :eek2:
:p

Kinda like Marx or Engels?

Yes, conviently had the 'Nam memorial placed in your town so that could spit on it, did you! You bunch of fake Americans!

Damn! We've been found out!

What state??


Good ole Battle Born Nevada. :)

Kinda like Marx or Engels?
And she is an economist! :eek2:

Obviously the only logical connection left to make is that the McCain-Palin ticket not only supports but hires and takes advice from radical-marxist-German-'economists'.:mad:

You know what i totally agree with u 120percent to me the mccain/palin are nothing more than puppets for bushs dictatorship regime he and his lousy old man created together to bring this country to its knees ...i too am a veteran and i am fed the hell up with the last 8 years of paying almost 5.00 a gallon for gas even when the oil prices per gallon go down we are still paying almost 5 dollars a gallon and u know what its too line that communist bastards pockets as well as his buddy cheney they are the reason we are having problems w/this economy they are the retards who deregulated laws and regulations on all these oil corporations and insurance cos and mortgage and loan companies ....and nothing in this world pisses me off more than when i hear some asswhole complain about clinton ....u know what that man promised americans in 1997 that same year hed have our nation outta debt....guess what u commie republicans he did it ...and with asurplus...and u know who wasted that surplus......ole jr himself onthis very f#$%ed up war where all my buddies are still dying to line bush and cheneys pockets i cant stand mccain and palin and if any one is stupid enough to vote for em then be my guest ok because u think things are bad now ....shit ......we will all be riding bicycles down the interstates ...oh and one last thing ....think about this for a sec all u commie red republicans.....do u make over 250,000 a yr because if u dont like me well mccain aint gonna help ya so why vote for him and that dingbat

Attention. If you are living in a city*, you are not a real American:Fixed =D

*defined as a municpality with a population of 100,000 or greater.

for non cablists and forinners its the only option.

Canada has teh Daily Show and The Colbert Report. So ha!

No, but I do not believe in government at anything at or above town level. We need a tribal system, like what sensible anarchy proposes.

So city states? Damn, capturing the capital city will become equivalent to capturing the country.

The Commies are comming, the Com-
Oh, WAIT. Paul Reviere said the Red-coats, right?
The red-coats are comming!

Even though he most certainly did not shout anything. :p

Yes, he said red coats. Now go re-build your President's home which we burnt down in 1812 (if I am not mistaken)

Red coats, commies, same thing. They're both red.

They are not the same thing.
Will you pledge money to re-build Canada's national igloo, official residence of our Prime Minister? [/Talking to Americans reference]

Sounds....German! :eek2:
:p

Like teh Commies!!

Pinko commies.
I live in a real america small town.


<<<<<<< check out my location.

bushs dictatorship.....
I stopped reading there. Half because the lack of grammar and spacing was killing me, and half because I can't be bothered by leftists who think Bush actually has a dictatorship.
Fixed =D
Hmmm, indeed. Shorter and more to the point. Touché, salesman.

Canada has teh Daily Show and The Colbert Report. So ha!Germany and any other country with their own Comedy Central channel or access to CNN International technically get the Daily Show as well, 'cept it's the Global Edition.

Well why do u think when the election results are on tv the commie reps are always in red and the dems are in blue

Hmmm, indeed. Shorter and more to the point. Touché, salesman.Except NYC. That is an exception in so far it's part of real America every eleventh of September.

They are not the same thing.

Sure they are, if they weren't commies why would they wear red?

Will you pledge money to re-build Canada's national igloo, official residence of our Prime Minister? [/Talking to Americans reference]

Oddly enough, I was introduced to that show when visiting friends in Sudbury.

Except NYC. That is an exception in so far it's part of real America every eleventh of September.
Or D.C., when Reagan is in the White House. :p


(to be noted, I'm not making fun of Reagan nor Republicans, just Palin and that ridiculous crap that she spewed...and also that marxist German radical economist hired by the McCain campaign :p)

Yes, he said red coats. Now go re-build your President's home which we burnt down in 1812 (if I am not mistaken)

I believe he said "The regulars are coming."
And it was 1814, thank you very much! :p

Oh id also like to respond to another myth as well about before 9/11....and that is when clinton heard about the taliban ...what did he do ...at least he sent in cruise missiles to kill the guy ...bush ....when he got news the towers were hit....he was shown on live tv thruout the nation reading to abunch of kids in school ....did he get up off his lazy ass right away...like any other real president or commander in chief would of...hell no...he had a dumbfounded look on his face and just sat there like a dumb ass and continued reading ...hell for all we know he aws just looking at the pictures ...i mean look at some of his speeches he has given in the past...and people want another 4-8 years of these retards in office ...jesus gimmie a gun so i end this misery now

Pfotenhauer, huh? That doesn't sound like a real American name. Sounds kind of...communist-y.A quick skim indicated no one bothered translating it yet. Therefore I shall:

Nancy Pawsmasher*


*technically Pawhitter or Pawhewer, but Pawsmasher sounds better.

Since the liberal segment of the population so consistently claims a monopoly on intelligence and enlightenment, it amazes me that the definition always ends up being described as the stereotypical "racist white people".

But the answer to what is commonly referred to as 'a real american' is a conglomeration of some of the following traits/beliefs:
-Would rather work for their money than accept a government hand out
-Believes in personal and professional freedoms within reasonable moral and ethical bounds
-Believes that in a time of war, the U.S. is given the benefit of the doubt and we should strive to be victorious--in other words, prefers to overcome adversity rather than give into it
-Believes in a higher power a.k.a God and has a well defined sense of right and wrong
-Accepts personal responsibility, rather than assigning blame
-Knows that our diversity is our strength when we work together rather than splinter into 'special interest' groups
-Values strength but is compassionate enough to assist those that need it
-Cherishes opportunity and resents anything that would limit or discourage it and believes that personal achievement should be rewarded.
-Likes winners but loves seeing the underdog succeed

This is by no means a complete list and I would invite you all to add to it or start a post with "anti- or fake-american" traits.

These 'real-american' traits are not assignable to any political party, race, or U.S. region and I will let you be the judge of whether or not it applies to liberals, neo-cons, et.al.

...bush ....when he got news the towers were hit....he was shown on live tv thruout the nation reading to abunch of kids in school ....did he get up off his lazy ass right away...like any other real president or commander in chief would of...hell no...he had a dumbfounded look on his face and just sat there like a dumb ass and continued reading ...hell for all we know he aws just looking at the pictures

While I lean very left virtually all the time and avidly want to see the rebulican party destroyed. You need to stop watching Michael Moore. There is enough to rip on Bush without his reaction to 9/11 he was in genuine shock. What person wasn't. I mean before the fact who would have thought that could have happened. Also this is a thread about Sarah Palins comments.

You know what i totally agree with u 120percent to me the mccain/palin are nothing more than puppets for bushs dictatorship regime he and his lousy old man created together to bring this country to its knees ...i too am a veteran and i am fed the hell up with the last 8 years of paying almost 5.00 a gallon for gas even when the oil prices per gallon go down we are still paying almost 5 dollars a gallon and u know what its too line that communist bastards pockets as well as his buddy cheney they are the reason we are having problems w/this economy they are the retards who deregulated laws and regulations on all these oil corporations and insurance cos and mortgage and loan companies ....and nothing in this world pisses me off more than when i hear some asswhole complain about clinton ....u know what that man promised americans in 1997 that same year hed have our nation outta debt....guess what u commie republicans he did it ...and with asurplus...and u know who wasted that surplus......ole jr himself onthis very f#$%ed up war where all my buddies are still dying to line bush and cheneys pockets i cant stand mccain and palin and if any one is stupid enough to vote for em then be my guest ok because u think things are bad now ....shit ......we will all be riding bicycles down the interstates ...oh and one last thing ....think about this for a sec all u commie red republicans.....do u make over 250,000 a yr because if u dont like me well mccain aint gonna help ya so why vote for him and that dingbat

You know what i totally agree with u 120percent to me the mccain/palin are nothing more than puppets for bushs dictatorship regime he and his lousy old man created together to bring this country to its knees ...i too am a veteran and i am fed the hell up with the last 8 years of paying almost 5.00 a gallon for gas even when the oil prices per gallon go down we are still paying almost 5 dollars a gallon and u know what its too line that communist bastards pockets as well as his buddy cheney they are the reason we are having problems w/this economy they are the retards who deregulated laws and regulations on all these oil corporations and insurance cos and mortgage and loan companies ....and nothing in this world pisses me off more than when i hear some asswhole complain about clinton ....u know what that man promised americans in 1997 that same year hed have our nation outta debt....guess what u commie republicans he did it ...and with asurplus...and u know who wasted that surplus......ole jr himself onthis very f#$%ed up war where all my buddies are still dying to line bush and cheneys pockets i cant stand mccain and palin and if any one is stupid enough to vote for em then be my guest ok because u think things are bad now ....shit ......we will all be riding bicycles down the interstates ...oh and one last thing ....think about this for a sec all u commie red republicans.....do u make over 250,000 a yr because if u dont like me well mccain aint gonna help ya so why vote for him and that dingbat

Stop spamming the same post.

Since the liberal segment of the population so consistently claims a monopoly on intelligence and enlightenment, it amazes me that the definition always ends up being described as the stereotypical "racist white people".Nah, it's just proven that there's a big anti-intellectual segment of the Republican voting bloc. It's not the Dems that viciously attack science or public education. There is an alarming number of people that are ignorant and worst of all revel in their ignorance and rail against public education, college, and scientific consensus, and most of them vote Republican.
But the answer to what is commonly referred to as 'a real american' is a conglomeration of some of the following traits/beliefs:That's not true. This is what you'd like "real" Americans to be, not some checklist.
-Would rather work for their money than accept a government hand outAnd?
-Believes in personal and professional freedoms within reasonable moral and ethical boundsScratch moral.
-Believes that in a time of war, the U.S. is given the benefit of the doubt and we should strive to be victorious--in other words, prefers to overcome adversity rather than give into itFuck no.
-Believes in a higher power a.k.a God and has a well defined sense of right and wrongFuck no. America is a country founded on the principle of religious freedom, and that includes the right not to believe, whether "real" Americans like it or not.
-Accepts personal responsibility, rather than assigning blame Sometimes assigning the blame is necessary, just as personal responsibility is. There's no need to decide between the two.
-Knows that our diversity is our strength when we work together rather than splinter into 'special interest' groupsWhy on earth are you making a list about special interest groups?
-Values strength but is compassionate enough to assist those that need it
-Cherishes opportunity and resents anything that would limit or discourage it and believes that personal achievement should be rewarded.
-Likes winners but loves seeing the underdog succeedLove these.

This is by no means a complete list and I would invite you all to add to it or start a post with "anti- or fake-american" traits. I would discourage it, because it's divisive.

But hell, here's mine:

A real American is a conglomerate of the following traits:
-Has US citizenship

Since the liberal segment of the population so consistently claims a monopoly on intelligence and enlightenment, it amazes me that the definition always ends up being described as the stereotypical "racist white people".

But the answer to what is commonly referred to as 'a real american' is a conglomeration of some of the following traits/beliefs:
-Would rather work for their money than accept a government hand out
-Believes in personal and professional freedoms within reasonable moral and ethical bounds
-Believes that in a time of war, the U.S. is given the benefit of the doubt and we should strive to be victorious--in other words, prefers to overcome adversity rather than give into it
-Believes in a higher power a.k.a God and has a well defined sense of right and wrong
-Accepts personal responsibility, rather than assigning blame
-Knows that our diversity is our strength when we work together rather than splinter into 'special interest' groups
-Values strength but is compassionate enough to assist those that need it
-Cherishes opportunity and resents anything that would limit or discourage it and believes that personal achievement should be rewarded.
-Likes winners but loves seeing the underdog succeed

This is by no means a complete list and I would invite you all to add to it or start a post with "anti- or fake-american" traits.

These 'real-american' traits are not assignable to any political party, race, or U.S. region and I will let you be the judge of whether or not it applies to liberals, neo-cons, et.al.

Your constitution disagrees with the bolded.

The underlined is odd, since you just created a very divisive and single definition of what a "real" american is. True scotsman fallacy, really.

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit.

It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion. And in the U.S. it seems to be the overwhelming consensus that some kind of god exists. If it works for global warming....

And there is a difference between appreciating diversity and all encompassing inclusiveness. One recognizes the differences the other is impossible to achieve.

A quick skim indicated no one bothered translating it yet. Therefore I shall:

Nancy Pawsmasher*


*technically Pawhitter or Pawhewer, but Pawsmasher sounds better.

Interestingly, a pawsmasher or rather, a fingerknocker (Fingerklopfer), would be the noun corresponding to "rapping so.'s knuckles". I totally think she would like to auf die Pfoten hauen to all these fake Americans.

Since the liberal segment of the population so consistently claims a monopoly on intelligence and enlightenment, it amazes me that the definition always ends up being described as the stereotypical "racist white people".

Not a monoply just a larger proportion of it leans with us.

But the answer to what is commonly referred to as 'a real american' is a conglomeration of some of the following traits/beliefs:

Your answer here is any one who cares about the United States, and its prosperity. this includes people who believe mistakes have been made and have a desire to correct mistakes made by our government. One who simply ignores these problems does not make you a "Real American".

-Would rather work for their money than accept a government hand out

No argument there. However who is talking about government handouts? That is republican propaganda

-Believes in personal and professional freedoms within reasonable moral and
ethical bounds

Ah you see that is a very vague category up for interpretation.

-Believes that in a time of war, the U.S. is given the benefit of the doubt and we should strive to be victorious--in other words, prefers to overcome adversity rather than give into it

Thats BS. In a time of war a reason and a method must be established to continue said war. Otherwise you are talking about a path that leads to fascism not to question your government's motives.(I am not accusing you of such).

-Believes in a higher power a.k.a God and has a well defined sense of right and wrong

No Belief in Religous freedom not neccecarily a god, but a right to worship any god.

-Accepts personal responsibility, rather than assigning blame

True but one can not ignore blame. Blame is a part of justice and responsibility. If some one shirks their own responsibilty they should be called out on it, and the responsibility given to some one else.

-Knows that our diversity is our strength when we work together rather than splinter into 'special interest' groups

Then why this list.

-Values strength but is compassionate enough to assist those that need it


Then you should support Obama's tax cuts.

-Cherishes opportunity and resents anything that would limit or discourage it and believes that personal achievement should be rewarded.

Oppurtunity for what to accumlate more wealth? It is exactly oppurtunity Obama is going to create to those who need it. If republicans cherish oppurtunity why do they give tax breaks to those who ship regular Americans oppurtunities over seas making billions doing it. Obama creates oppurtunity by giving tax breaks to the middle class so they have a little more resources to seize oppurtunities. Also Obama would give signifigant tax breaks to those who keep our "Oppurtunities" here in America.


-Likes winners but loves seeing the underdog succeed

Except when it is a republican.

his is by no means a complete list and I would invite you all to add to it or start a post with "anti- or fake-american" traits.

It is a flawed list.

These 'real-american' traits are not assignable to any political party, race, or U.S. region and I will let you be the judge of whether or not it applies to liberals, neo-cons, et.al.

Sure sounded like you were trying to assign some kind of republican values as synomous with "Real American values"

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit.It disagrees with the requirement of believing in a higher power, specifically God, for holding office, and that kind of implies if someone is good enough for public office, they're definitely good enough to be a "real" American.
It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion. And in the U.S. it seems to be the overwhelming consensus that some kind of god exists. If it works for global warming....Ooh! What's the difference between natural science and religion? One requires continuous proof while the other is based on faith. I'll let you guess which one is which, and figure out why if something works for global warming it doesn't work for religion.
And there is a difference between appreciating diversity and all encompassing inclusiveness. One recognizes the differences the other is impossible to achieve.Bla, bla, bla.

Interestingly, a pawsmasher or rather, a fingerknocker (Fingerklopfer), would be the noun corresponding to "rapping so.'s knuckles". I totally think she would like to auf die Pfoten hauen to all these fake Americans.I dunno. Her big slip was "Real Virginia".

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit..

It does not dissagree with religon true, but no where does it say you must be religous simply that every one has the right to worship as they see fit. That includes NOT WORSHIPING.

It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion..

What a common crock of conservative shit.

It disagrees with the requirement of believing in a higher power, specifically God, for holding office, and that kind of implies if someone is good enough for public office, they're definitely good enough to be a "real" American.

Silly allemand, Clinton was elected twice and he clearly isn't a "real" American.

Silly allemand, Clinton was elected twice and he clearly isn't a "real" American.I swear, as soon as I get access to a printer and my light table I'll be making this map of Real and Fake America.

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit.

It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion. I must inform you that you are wrong.

Attention. If you are living in one of these cities, you are not a real American:

New York City New York 8,250,567 1 18,818,536 Northeast
2 Los Angeles California 3,849,378 2 12,950,129 West
etcetera!

And these places are just quite too dense to offer that small town feeling that real Americans require to live in:

Manhattan, New York Borough and
County 25,850/km² 66,940/mi²
...lots of places etc


Anyone feel like calculating the "Real America's" population? That would kick ass!

Your list is pretty divisive isn't it?


-Would rather work for their money than accept a government hand out

That leaves out many bank/corporate executives, and farmers doesn't it?


-Believes in personal and professional freedoms within reasonable moral and ethical bounds


Does that include the racist, homophobic, wife-beaters, who think Islam is the religion of hate while they impregnate their daughters who are addicted to meth? I mean, they ARE small town America right? :D


-Believes that in a time of war, the U.S. is given the benefit of the doubt and we should strive to be victorious--in other words, prefers to overcome adversity rather than give into it


Violence solves everything. Those liberals who would rather go after the root causes of problems rather than point the finger willy-nilly and bomb the fuck out of anybody with a funny sounding name and strange religion, are stupid elitists!


-Believes in a higher power a.k.a God and has a well defined sense of right and wrong


So to be a real American one MUST believe in a higher power? You know that this makes a significant part of the U.S. population, "fake Americans" right?

Why does one have to believe in a higher power or have religion to have a "well defined sense of right and wrong"



-Accepts personal responsibility, rather than assigning blame


Can it ONLY be one and not the other? You know that you started this post out assigning blame right? Have you taken any responsibility for the ills in society?


-Knows that our diversity is our strength when we work together rather than splinter into 'special interest' groups

SO you support Barack Obama in his fight to bridge the gap between red states and blue states, left and right, Democrats and Republicans, and you reject the McCain/Palin strategy to make that gap wider and more volatile?

Here's a 'real' American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc&

Real and Unreal Americans may not 'exist' but they should, some of these bigots should not have their votes counted.

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit.

It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion. And in the U.S. it seems to be the overwhelming consensus that some kind of god exists. If it works for global warming....

And there is a difference between appreciating diversity and all encompassing inclusiveness. One recognizes the differences the other is impossible to achieve.

I never said it did. I said the U.S. constitution disagrees with you.

Large difference there. See, as others have said, you:
Do not have to believe in any deity to hold public office in the U.S. This is as opposed to for example Denmark, where the head of state MUST be Lutheran Protestant (and not the same kind of Lutheran there is in the states, btw).
Have freedom of religion, meaning not a.k.a. god, because you also have other religions, such as norse mythology (which is a real religion, btw, as much I think it's a fairytale) and then there are those without religion. All can still be american.

See, the problem with your list is that it's divisive, not inclusive. You make all these silly requirements that don't actually define Americans. Some of them are nice, but some of them are plain silly. A lot of people who are americans aren't according to your list. I think you're trying to target the Democrats, but that's really... stupid?

And if there's one thing America should be, it's inclusive.

Here's a 'real' American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc&

Real and Unreal Americans may not 'exist' but they should, some of these bigots should not have their votes counted.

You gotta be freaking kidding me.

Don't make me lose any faith in humanity, please :p I may have lurked these forums long enough for that to happen, but I cling!

You gotta be freaking kidding me.

Don't make me lose any faith in humanity, please :p I may have lurked these forums long enough for that to happen, but I cling!The tighter your fist becomes, the more that slips through your fingers. [/paraphrasing Star Wars]

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit.

It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion. And in the U.S. it seems to be the overwhelming consensus that some kind of god exists. If it works for global warming....

And there is a difference between appreciating diversity and all encompassing inclusiveness. One recognizes the differences the other is impossible to achieve.
You may want to quit making statements like this or the others here will . . .. oh wait to late .. . anyway as a not, Generally you should back up claims (especially claims like this one) with some sort of proof or your going to get trashed by the others here. Also while researching for the proof you may discover you are, in fact, wrong and edit your argument to fit (gotta admit this has happend to me at least once.)

Anyone feel like calculating the "Real America's" population? That would kick ass!


Around 63 million.

Around 300 millions Americans in total. 79% live in urban areas leaving 21% of the population as "Real Americans."

Here's a 'real' American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc&

Real and Unreal Americans may not 'exist' but they should, some of these bigots should not have their votes counted.

That woman should be escorted to the nearest ocean and thrown in.

Wow, so you want everything your fellow troops fought for to be for absolutely nothing. How stunning expected.

I fought with a squad from NYC. Don't you know we are Ameirca-haters?

Here's a 'real' American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc&

Real and Unreal Americans may not 'exist' but they should, some of these bigots should not have their votes counted.



Lord, protect us from your followers

Lord, protect us from your followers

Oh lord, Hallowed be thy name, thy (sp?) kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.
And for once, just once, could you tell some of your followers to lighten up just a little? PLEASE?

Oh lord, Hallowed be thy name, thy (sp?) kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.
And for once, just once, could you tell some of your followers to lighten up just a little? PLEASE?

California here I come! Open up your golden arms... *sings a la Sophie B. Hawkins*

California here I come! Open up your golden arms... *sings a la Sophie B. Hawkins*

lmao

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.

I usually just ingore your foolishness, but here you prove my point. It's either, "let's all leave and ensure it's crap" or what? Thank you so very much for that. A systematic withdrawel of forces tranfering power to the Iraqis is what is needed. They have plenty of soldiers trained to fight now. It's time to let the chil learn how to swin or drown on their own. It is not our job to coddle them forever.

I'd like to think that if Iraq can become a stable, peace, prosperous, democratic state, that maybe their deaths meant something. Thanks to the Democrats, that will never be.

Our lives are never given in vain. We served our country with honor and die heroes, regardless of the outcome. Men will always be sent to war. The very best they can hope for is to make it back alive. If they must make the ultimate sacrifice that's what they are destined to do. It's why we say "death before dishonor."

'a real american' ... Would rather work for their money than accept a government hand out
Hasn't John McCain been on the government tit his entire life??? (Except of course for the money he gets from his wife)

I'd like to think that if Iraq can become a stable, peace, prosperous, democratic state, that maybe their deaths meant something. Thanks to the Democrats, that will never be.

Iraq was two of the three before America decided that Iraq should attack Iran, and then later subjugated it to a decades worth of bombing.

Thanks to the war mongers in America, war mongers like you, Iraq is unlikely to be even one of the three, in a long, long time.

Iraq was two of the three before America decided that Iraq should attack Iran, and then later subjugated it to a decades worth of bombing.

Thanks to the war mongers in America, war mongers like you, Iraq is unlikely to be even one of the three, in a long, long time.

Iraq was one of the three prosperous peacefull no it wasnt. Unless you want to count thousands of dead at the hands of secret police, and constant skirmishs with Iran peacefull.

Iraq was one of the three prosperous peacefull no it wasnt. Unless you want to count thousands of dead at the hands of secret police, and constant skirmishs with Iran peacefull.

I was talking about before the Iran/Iraq war. You can't have prosperity when you're fighting a war with somebody who can land rockets in your cities.

It was generally peaceful before the Iran/Iraq war, by the standards of peace in the Middle East. The secret police were brutal, and Saddam ruled by fear, I'll give you that, but in terms of actual public security, he did a decent job of keeping things like street gangs and the like at a low.

Attention. If you are living in one of these cities, you are not a real American:

3 Chicago Illinois 2,833,321 3 9,505,748 Midwest

darn :(:(

darn :(:(I'm a "real" American! NO! I refuse! :(

Luckily, they are easy to outsmart.

The right, or the gun owners? And proof please?

The right, or the gun owners? And proof please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xr1t881e6c

Oh id also like to respond to another myth as well about before 9/11....and that is when clinton heard about the taliban ...what did he do ...at least he sent in cruise missiles to kill the guy ...bush ....when he got news the towers were hit....he was shown on live tv thruout the nation reading to abunch of kids in school ....did he get up off his lazy ass right away...like any other real president or commander in chief would of...hell no...he had a dumbfounded look on his face and just sat there like a dumb ass and continued reading ...hell for all we know he aws just looking at the pictures ...i mean look at some of his speeches he has given in the past...and people want another 4-8 years of these retards in office ...jesus gimmie a gun so i end this misery now

Please, for the love of all things sane, learn to use regular sentence structure. Your posts are making my eyes bleed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xr1t881e6c

That's an airsoft gun, not a real firearm. That video is fake.

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.

Yes, because Iraq is a true democracy now.

I think it's called a 'They dont agree with me so they are wrong' sorta of thing, if you dont vote for Mccain your un-american because you dont agree with him.

Desperate and sad tactic, trying to play on peoples need to conform so he is trying to tell you that he is the person to comform too. Iraq was a disaster, nothing has been achieved except for a the installation of a American-Puppet government and a Occupation force that nobody over there wants around.

As soon as that Occupation force leaves, nomatter if it's now or in 50 years Iraq will break down again. You cant fight a enemy thats looks like the people your trying to protect, the Coalition is trying to fight a enemy with no uniform and worst of all no fear for death. you kill 10 terriorist and they convince another 200 other idiots to take over for them.

But back on subject, it's a attempt to force conformity for the republicans to gain voters. But then scare tactics is simply how they seem to do politics, this is from a outsider looking in.

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit.

It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion. And in the U.S. it seems to be the overwhelming consensus that some kind of god exists. If it works for global warming....

And there is a difference between appreciating diversity and all encompassing inclusiveness. One recognizes the differences the other is impossible to achieve.


Yep, all those founding fathers who were athiests were not real Americans. Oh, and that must be why the Constitution talks about God so much....?

Oh wait, it doesnt. It mentions God once, and it was done when stating the date. It says "In the year of our Lord" which was common way of expressing the date for the time.

I guess facts just have a habit of being liberals. Damn America hating facts

Yep, all those founding fathers who were athiests were not real Americans. Oh, and that must be why the Constitution talks about God so much....?

Oh wait, it doesnt. It mentions God once, and it was done when stating the date. It says "In the year of our Lord" which was common way of expressing the date for the time.

I guess facts just have a habit of being liberals. Damn America hating facts

OH darn you edited it I liked your original post.:)

OH darn you edited it I liked your original post.:)

I have a habit for getting in trouble for losing my temper and getting in trouble fo things like that though. See, the Mods seem to like me, but I dont want to push their patience:p.

Iraq isn't worth a pint of piss. Any good soldier knows you don't die for a flag or for a bunch of foreigners. You die for your buddies on each side of you. They are the only people worth fighting and dying for because they are the only people fighting and dying to protect you. Everyone else, including the country, can go hang when you are in a firefight. All that matters in a fight is killing the dumb S.O.B.s fighting you and keeping your buddies alive.

If America is a democray then if anything Mccain should be happy everyone doesnt think like him, thats the whole point of democracy.

Thats all this is, him getting pissed because not many people agree with him. it's so simple.

I'm a "real" American! NO! I refuse! :(

"real" Americans aren't nuts, inside crunchy shells. :p

I'd like to think that if Iraq can become a stable, peace, prosperous, democratic state, that maybe their deaths meant something. Thanks to the Democrats, that will never be.
Curious if you think people are supposed to take this kind of bullshit seriously ...?
It's not working. Either you're not good at it, you're a pathetic troll, or you're simply wrong and it really is the best you can do. Any way, it doesn't sell.

Yep, all those founding fathers who were athiests were not real Americans. Oh, and that must be why the Constitution talks about God so much....?

Oh wait, it doesnt. It mentions God once, and it was done when stating the date. It says "In the year of our Lord" which was common way of expressing the date for the time.

I guess facts just have a habit of being liberals. Damn America hating facts

Reality has a well-known liberal bias!
-Stephen Colbert


Anyway, I also can't stand that "real Americans" crap. I love my country. What political candidate I support has nothing to do with it.

He's just going to vote for the Democrats, the "Let's all leave and ensure that Iraq turns to total crap" party.

well i guess thats better than the republicans the "lets lie to anyone who makes under 250,000" party.


p.s. whats up with the gay love smiley?:fluffle:

p.p.s. not that theres anything wrong with it

Anyway, I also can't stand that "real Americans" crap. I love my country. What political candidate I support has nothing to do with it.

One day, I expect someone to patent himself as a "Real American" TM, and demand copyright breach compensation from all the other 'bootleg' Americans.

It's sad to see that tactic being used, and to quote the great Jon Stewart:

"Fuck all y'all!":mad:

http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=188640

Here it is for your viewing pleasure.

Those who like to call themselves Real Americans™, most other people call Jesuslanders.

I keep getting the feeling that the extremest right wants an honest to goodness war with the extremest left. Geeze...

It's more than a feeling to me...I am of the opinion that we're going to see more than a few "incidents" come November 5th.

It's more than a feeling to me...I am of the opinion that we're going to see more than a few "incidents" come November 5th.

Heh...

But to quote the most famous liberal of all. "Give me Liberty or give me death."
:mp5:


But if America doesn't fix things, I fear that we are heading for a violent future. I have never seen such angry people before, on both sides. It makes me really nervous.

thedailyshow.com and click on "Full Episodes". They'll be a day or two late, but for non cablists and forinners its the only option.



Also torrent sites, if you're an evil pirate.

I watched that episode, and I have to say I was really proud of how he handled it too. I expected him to look angrier, but it was hidden, hidden behind his wonderful talent for humor.

Unfortunately, I have a complaint: that episode has gotten "Proud to be an American" stuck in my head. :(

Heh...

But to quote the most famous liberal of all. "Give me Liberty or give me death."
:mp5:


But if America doesn't fix things, I fear that we are heading for a violent future. I have never seen such angry people before, on both sides. It makes me really nervous.

Same here. There is definite hatred on both sides. I mean, I'm a little insulated since, let's be honest, things aren't all that competitive here because of how much of a numerical advantage we liberals have, but still. It's a bit unsettling.

One day, I expect someone to patent himself as a "Real American" TM, and demand copyright breach compensation from all the other 'bootleg' Americans.

That's awesome.

The U.S. Constitution does not disagree with religion, what a common crock of liberal shit.
The U.S. Constitution was written specifically to remove religion from being used as the basis of laws, or as the method by which someone is vetted for an office in government, etc etc. In other words, religion is supposed to be private and personal, and has no bearing on public life.

You know what's interesting? It ended up this way in the Consitution because--get this--the evangelicals of the time argued for separation of church and state. They believed that in order for religion to flourish, one must remove government from the equation.

So they'd completely disagree with modern evangelicals. Fascinating, huh?


It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion. And in the U.S. it seems to be the overwhelming consensus that some kind of god exists. If it works for global warming....


I want to slap you for that one. That's not the basis of reasoning for global warming at all, and I'll thank you not to encourage that fallicy.

Global warming is accepted because the vast majority of climatologists have examined the data, run experiments, and otherwise verified the conclusions and come to an agreement after doing sufficient research. That's so totally separated from "Everyone 'knows' this is true!" it's not even funny.

And there is a difference between appreciating diversity and all encompassing inclusiveness. One recognizes the differences the other is impossible to achieve.

Actually, no, it's not. It's far more difficult to achieve, but it's not impossible. It requires that every single person involved willingly participates. Has that ever happened in the past? No. Is it impossible? No. Is it improbable without a serious societal changes? Extremely. Can it be done even so? Yes.

Don't I wish. Unfortunately, I have to leave all fools and zealots unblocked, so better to moderate these forums.

Indeed... I don't moderate here but I admin elswhere and I know how much of an enemy the ignore list really is...



To the OP: Its just more attempts by politicians to drive a wedge into the nation to seperate one group of people from the next. Abiet its a much more blatant attempt than normal it is no surprise from Neo-Conservatives; look at all the scare mongering they have done.

Unfortunately, I have a complaint: that episode has gotten "Proud to be an American" stuck in my head. :(
You mean "abortionist" wasn't the right answer to that question? D=

You mean "abortionist" wasn't the right answer to that question? D=

That'd be a seriously screwed up song. And it'd probably be satanic death metal music, too.

If you disagree with the Policies of the ruling party, you're un american
If you strike against a company because they are exploiting you (not giving you lunch break or something) then you're a communist
If you are any shade of brown or muslim, you are a terrorist
If you despise consumer culture and protest it, you're un american
If you protest the war you're un american

Here's how you be a true American:
Let your party think for you
Let your fatcat bosses exploit you
You better be white and Christian
You better by all that sh*t you don't need with money you don't have
You better buy that huge SUV and slap a support troops sticker on it

That's how you become American, yay for stereotypes

Here's a 'real' American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc&

Real and Unreal Americans may not 'exist' but they should, some of these bigots should not have their votes counted.

BURN IT; BURN; BURN! PURIFY! KILL! MAIM! DESTROY!:headbang:


Around 63 million.
Around 300 millions Americans in total. 79% live in urban areas leaving 21% of the population as "Real Americans."
Brilliant, my hat is of to you Sir for being awesome! :cool:

You may want to quit making statements like this or the others here will . . .. oh wait to late .. . anyway as a not, Generally you should back up claims (especially claims like this one) with some sort of proof or your going to get trashed by the others here. Also while researching for the proof you may discover you are, in fact, wrong and edit your argument to fit (gotta admit this has happend to me at least once.)

Thanks for the advice, especially since I am new here.

It just seems to me that the topic here was more a discussion on interpretation and intent rather than specific factual detail. As a whole, I have to say that the discussion does not seem to be too open to differing points of view (nor my dark sense of humor), which is a shame because there is no shortage of blogs on the internet that merely exist to reconfirm their point of view.

Next time I will leave out my incendiary quips (even though they do prove effective in getting responses).

well, if you want to "get real", the only "real" americans, are the indiginous people who have been living here for ten thousand years and longer. the so called american culture of today, super imposed by european terrorists, begining arround 1492 is obviously NOT "the real america"

well, if you want to "get real", the only "real" americans, are the indiginous people who have been living here for ten thousand years and longer. the so called american culture of today, super imposed by european terrorists, begining arround 1492 is obviously NOT "the real america"
Wait wut :D

So the 'real' Europe is still all feudal and shit? Nah.

It guarantees an individual the freedom to pursue their personal religious beliefs, not a life free of religion.
And if my personal religious beliefs happen to be not having a religion? Why should I have to participate in a belief system that I don't believe in?

And in the U.S. it seems to be the overwhelming consensus that some kind of god exists. If it works for global warming....

There's empirical evidence for global warming. Show me some for the existence of a supernatural deity.

And finally... explain to me in small words (big words make my head hurt) and precise language (so I don't get confused) why it is that you have to believe in something so completely subjective that no two people can have the same conception of it's existence, in order to justify your citizenship.

Wait wut :D

So the 'real' Europe is still all feudal and shit? Nah.

nope, just the opposite, THEY"VE LEARNED "the hard way", over the intervening centuries, what we in america, i think by and large have yet to, that being an empire really messess up how people have to live in it, just as much as it does the places, if in perhapse mostly somewhat different ways, the places it invades and concors.

you know the 'no matter where you go there you are'? well when the colonists to what is now the u.s., revolted against rule by remote control, well fine, we established a constitution and a government of our own, at least of by and for the decendents of the invaders, but all the baggage of the perspective that put them here, seems to have come with it, and now today we're calling that 'the american tradition' which is nonsense. the nonsense, i mean, of calling that right of conquest mentallity, that makiavellianism, somehow 'american'.

i think, as an outsider to europe, seeing as how they've kept public transportation running, while we've gotten this totally irrational degree of worshipping symbolic value that it has been a national policy, unspoken, if not official, to prefer to economically coerce everyone into indenturing themselves to an automobile, and damd near everything else people grow up in america expecting to have.

well i think reality is about to catch up with people here, just like it did in europe over the period between, during and imediately after two 'world' wars.

only the reality now, comes not so much from ego of conflict superiority, we're still plagued by that, without, most of us, realizing it is a plague, but you know from the consiquences of carelessness with our natural environment which all this focus on symbolic value and the mechanics of it, has motivated, or rather, has motivated such destructive indifference to.

(the people who have been living here for TEN THOUSAND YEARS prior to THAT european invasion, have been having to 'fight' 'terrorism', litterally, since 1492)

Aye it's a bit triste in general.

If America is a democracy then if anything Mccain should be happy everyone doesnt think like him, thats the whole point of democracy.

Thats all this is, him getting pissed because not many people agree with him. it's so simple. [Emphasis mine]

I don't consider it to be a true democracy, actually.

When looking at the state of affairs in politics, it's basically a two party-system.

But seriously, is there that much difference between those two leading parties?

Compared to a lot of different countries, both European and non-European, both the Republican and the Democratic party are way right-wing. Most of the rightist Dutch politicians, for example, would be considered way too left to join the Democratic Party in the US...

Seriously, where's the choice if you're not somewhere between conservative and semi-nazist?

Most people I know, and that does in fact include actual Americans, consider American politics a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils...

Seriously, where's the choice if you're not somewhere between conservative and semi-nazist?
They have comedy accents, roads made of ice and lots of maple syrup, hint hint.

Next time I will leave out my incendiary quips (even though they do prove effective in getting responses).You might want to read the rules on "posting stuff to get responses".

You might want to read the rules on "posting stuff to get responses".
I dunno what the Israelis would think of you saying that if you were Palestinian, to be honest.

I dunno what the Israelis would think of you saying that if you were Palestinian, to be honest.

I can't say that I have any idea what you mean by this. I'm being serious here, I don't know.

I can't say that I have any idea what you mean by this. I'm being serious here, I don't know.
I was trying to be very controversial on purpose :tongue:

I was trying to be very controversial on purpose :tongue:

Ah, okay. Touche. ;)

They have comedy accents, roads made of ice and lots of maple syrup, hint hint.

Vermont?

Vermont?
I was thinking of Mexico, but you're close :tongue:

Snip bullshit .

Do us a favor and keep your idiotic lists to yourself.

But the answer to what is commonly referred to as 'a real american' is a conglomeration of some of the following traits/beliefs:...
...-Believes in a higher power a.k.a God and has a well defined sense of right and wrong
So you don't think I'm a real American?
There is only one response. As jon stewart so elequently put it:

Fuck you.

Interesting, isn't it? According to Deefiki Ahno States, the glorious Real American, like the Nietzschean Übermensch he apparently is, values strength and has a strong character, but still needs the mental crutch of a mythological higher power, a typical trait of the Nietzschean Untermensch. Talk about a personality disorder! It does explain Palin and her cryptostalinist desire to identify the enemy within, though.

Wow, you guys are so mean.

Wow, you guys are so mean.

You think I'm mean? Try walking up to me on the street and saying I'm not a real american, I'll show you what mean really is.

You really have no idea what you're saying, do you?

The whole point is once you get citizenship everyones an American. There are no differences.

Very communist now I think of it...

The whole point is once you get citizenship everyones an American. There are no differences.

Your are absolutely right. Every U.S. citizen is an American. And thank all of you who so graciously would like to "fuck me", not sure my wife will appreciate it though.

But as the resident punching bag, I would like to point out that this thread was originally started in an effort to define what the McCain/Palin campaign defined as a 'real-american'. That is what I did. Lots of you fail for not paying attention.

BTW, I did not intend to accuse anyone of being 'anti-american' or start a discussion on the constitutional intent of the freedom of religion.

I'll show you what mean really is.

Keep up with this line of argument, and I'll show you what "banned" really is.

Knock off the flames. NOW.

Your are absolutely right. Every U.S. citizen is an American. And thank all of you who so graciously would like to "fuck me", not sure my wife will appreciate it though.Watch the Daily Show to understand what we're talking about.
But as the resident punching bag, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No, you haven't been around enough to qualify for that =P
I would like to point out that this thread was originally started in an effort to define what the McCain/Palin campaign defined as a 'real-american'. That is what I did. Lots of you fail for not paying attention.No, it originally started off as a rant about idiot politicians that felt like dividing the country by stating their preference for certain types of Americans. Might want to reread the OP.
BTW, I did not intend to accuse anyone of being 'anti-american' or start a discussion on the constitutional intent of the freedom of religion.And yet you did. Seriously now, how could you not realize that saying a "real" American believes in a higher power, aka God, is calling every American that doesn't do so a fake?

Your are absolutely right. Every U.S. citizen is an American. And thank all of you who so graciously would like to "fuck me", not sure my wife will appreciate it though.

But as the resident punching bag, I would like to point out that this thread was originally started in an effort to define what the McCain/Palin campaign defined as a 'real-american'. That is what I did. Lots of you fail for not paying attention.

BTW, I did not intend to accuse anyone of being 'anti-american' or start a discussion on the constitutional intent of the freedom of religion.

If you were being a satirical mr. funny pants, it's best to make it obvious because there have been plenty of posters that have said what you said and were being completely serious.

Since you are a new guy to the board, we can only go by what you are currently saying since there is no posting history to take as an example of what you really think.

You are right though, we are a bunch of meany jerks :p

Welcome to Hell, please stay a while. Don't trust the lemonade.

If you were being a satirical mr. funny pants, it's best to make it obvious because there have been plenty of posters that have said what you said and were being completely serious.

Since you are a new guy to the board, we can only go by what you are currently saying since there is no posting history to take as an example of what you really think.

You are right though, we are a bunch of meany jerks :p

Welcome to Hell, please stay a while. Don't trust the lemonade.

Sumamba, dear, you forgot to point out that General is rather the jungle. It´s a fight for supremacy!:eek2:


:D

Snip.

You know nothing of what you're talking about.

Study! Learn! It'll be good for you.

Good day.

Since the liberal segment of the population so consistently claims a monopoly on intelligence and enlightenment, it amazes me that the definition always ends up being described as the stereotypical "racist white people".

But the answer to what is commonly referred to as 'a real american' is a conglomeration of some of the following traits/beliefs:
-Would rather work for their money than accept a government hand out
-Believes in personal and professional freedoms within reasonable moral and ethical bounds
-Believes that in a time of war, the U.S. is given the benefit of the doubt and we should strive to be victorious--in other words, prefers to overcome adversity rather than give into it
-Believes in a higher power a.k.a God and has a well defined sense of right and wrong
-Accepts personal responsibility, rather than assigning blame
-Knows that our diversity is our strength when we work together rather than splinter into 'special interest' groups
-Values strength but is compassionate enough to assist those that need it
-Cherishes opportunity and resents anything that would limit or discourage it and believes that personal achievement should be rewarded.
-Likes winners but loves seeing the underdog succeed

This is by no means a complete list and I would invite you all to add to it or start a post with "anti- or fake-american" traits.

These 'real-american' traits are not assignable to any political party, race, or U.S. region and I will let you be the judge of whether or not it applies to liberals, neo-cons, et.al.

Your are absolutely right. Every U.S. citizen is an American. And thank all of you who so graciously would like to "fuck me", not sure my wife will appreciate it though.

But as the resident punching bag, I would like to point out that this thread was originally started in an effort to define what the McCain/Palin campaign defined as a 'real-american'. That is what I did. Lots of you fail for not paying attention.

BTW, I did not intend to accuse anyone of being 'anti-american' or start a discussion on the constitutional intent of the freedom of religion.

Your attempt to define what the McCain/Palin campaign defined as a a "real american" unfortunately sounded like your definition of a real american. That is why you got a hostile response.

Regardless, your list and your defense of that list makes clear why the McCain/Palin definition of a "real american" is not just wrong and offensive, but inherently anti-american. For example, America is a land of religious freedom for all and thus a "real american" may believe in any number of deities or no deities at all.

Your attempt to define what the McCain/Palin campaign defined as a a "real american" unfortunately sounded like your definition of a real american. That is why you got a hostile response.

Regardless, your list and your defense of that list makes clear why the McCain/Palin definition of a "real american" is not just wrong and offensive, but inherently anti-american. For example, America is a land of religious freedom for all and thus a "real american" may believe in any number of deities or no deities at all.

TCT, I'm warning you here that I'm a hypocrite, but regardless, I don't think you should bother. ;)

There is no need to listen to the lies told by the Democrats and Republicans who only run for the sake of becomming president. If you truely believe in what Obama is promoting i recoment you vote for the socialist party who at least is going to do what they say in office. I do not agree that more govenment control over the economy and how much money people can make should be limited as it has been shown throughout history that a free economy is best. One prime example is in the Industrial revolution, Brittian became the most powerful countrie because the govenment did not interfere. This is the main reason why i am very anti- socialist and Obama. A flat tax rate is what is best for the country and less government spending. Mcain's idea to eliminate house morgages is just another way for the government to get more control of your money because who do you think is paying for all of the governments spending? Us. I reconment that people vote for Bob Barr or whoever is running for the Libitarian party at the time because he is the only candidate that will do what is good for the country.

the Libitarian party

Scooter Libby is running? :eek:

Sumamba, dear, you forgot to point out that General is rather the jungle. It´s a fight for supremacy!:eek2:


:D

Well I did confirm that we were jerks :tongue:

anyway - There isn't always a need to fight for dominance... I quite enjoy being on the bottom ;)

There is no need to listen to the lies told by the Democrats and Republicans who only run for the sake of becomming president. If you truely believe in what Obama is promoting i recoment you vote for the socialist party who at least is going to do what they say in office. I do not agree that more govenment control over the economy and how much money people can make should be limited as it has been shown throughout history that a free economy is best. One prime example is in the Industrial revolution, Brittian became the most powerful countrie because the govenment did not interfere. This is the main reason why i am very anti- socialist and Obama. A flat tax rate is what is best for the country and less government spending. Mcain's idea to eliminate house morgages is just another way for the government to get more control of your money because who do you think is paying for all of the governments spending? Us. I reconment that people vote for Bob Barr or whoever is running for the Libitarian party at the time because he is the only candidate that will do what is good for the country.


BUWHAHAHAHA!


Bob Barr is an idiot and a loon.

There is no need to listen to the lies told by the Democrats and Republicans who only run for the sake of becomming president. If you truely believe in what Obama is promoting i recoment you vote for the socialist party who at least is going to do what they say in office.

No I voted for Obama his plan is better. Also America has been a watered down socialist country for decades Minumium wage, social security, and, anti trust and monoply laws thats socialism buddy. :hail:Really politicians lie what a revelation.

I do not agree that more govenment control over the economy and how much money people can make should be limited as it has been shown throughout history that a free economy is best.

Really explain the great depresion.

One prime example is in the Industrial revolution, Brittian became the most powerful countrie because the govenment did not interfere. This is the main reason why i am very anti- socialist and Obama.


No They were already the worlds superpower, and remained so for awhile because for all intents and purposes they began the industrial revolution. Thus giving them a head start over every other country.

A flat tax rate is what is best for the country and less government spending.

Really you want a Laisez faire government we tried that before see 1920s.


Mcain's idea to eliminate house morgages is just another way for the government to get more control of your money because who do you think is paying for all of the governments spending? Us.

Really government money comes from taxes I am shocked and apalled.:mad:

I reconment that people vote for Bob Barr or whoever is running for the Libitarian party at the time because he is the only candidate that will do what is good for the country.

No because he will never win, and I would like to steer clear of Laisez faire capitalism when we are in an economic crisis.

anyway - There isn't always a need to fight for dominance... I quite enjoy being on the bottom ;)

I, on the other hand, like to diversify.:D

No I voted for Obama his plan is better. Also America has been a watered down socialist country since F.D.R. Minumium wage, social security, and, unemployement thats socialism buddy. :hail:really all politicians lie what a revelation.





Really? You consider American a socialist state because they have minumium wage, social security and unemployement?


Damn those commies!:mad:

I, on the other hand, like to diversify.:D

I guess I do too but I'm usually too lazy :$

There is no need to listen to the lies told by the Democrats and Republicans who only run for the sake of becomming president. If you truely believe in what Obama is promoting i recoment you vote for the socialist party who at least is going to do what they say in office. I do not agree that more govenment control over the economy and how much money people can make should be limited as it has been shown throughout history that a free economy is best. One prime example is in the Industrial revolution, Brittian became the most powerful countrie because the govenment did not interfere. This is the main reason why i am very anti- socialist and Obama. A flat tax rate is what is best for the country and less government spending. Mcain's idea to eliminate house morgages is just another way for the government to get more control of your money because who do you think is paying for all of the governments spending? Us. I reconment that people vote for Bob Barr or whoever is running for the Libitarian party at the time because he is the only candidate that will do what is good for the country.

Meh. One of the few things loonier than the Libertarian Party is a Libertarian voting for Bob Barr, an arch-conservative with an authoritarian record. :eek:

Really? You consider American a socialist state because they have minumium wage, social security and unemployement?


Damn those commies!:mad:

A real capitalist country would have let Chrysler, Fannie, Freddie and AIG tank. God Bless the (corporate) welfare state!

Really? You consider American a socialist state because they have minumium wage, social security and unemployement?


Damn those commies!:mad:

Anything that interfers with the free market in any way is socialism in my mind. Mind you though I said watered down.

Anything that interfers with the free market in any way is socialism in my mind. Mind you though I said watered down.

First, that is a silly definition of socialism.

Second, how do social security and unemployment insurance interfere with the free market?

First, that is a silly definition of socialism.

Second, how do social security and unemployment insurance interfere with the free market?

Because then poor or unemploy people would have money to *gasp* buy products from companys that could then use said money to *glup* hire unemploy people!

O NO!:(

Sorry I cut out your rant. I would just mention how many republicans use 9/11 as a rallying cry, and then metaphorically spit on New York culture. Personally I am tired of this America love it or leave it. That kind of tactic is a disgrace the constitution was Ammendable for a reason because no country is perfect, and wanting to fix some of those problems is not un-American.Yet, that implies that you is a.... you is a... Commie!:p

I guess I do too but I'm usually too lazy :$

When you´re feeling lazy, have a lazy fuck. :wink:

First, that is a silly definition of socialism.

Second, how do social security and unemployment insurance interfere with the free market?



Alrighty I really dont feel like arguing with you considering what happended last time but, here goes.

Socialism is any various theories or systems of ownership and operation of the means of production or distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and products

Social security every body pays for it, and every body gets it. That is if they get old enough.

Also wouldnt anti trust and anti monoply laws be socialist since they effect the ownership and distribution of products.

As for minimum wage that would regulate the production of products wouldn't it.

As for unemployment insurance ya I guess your right. That was bull.

When you´re feeling lazy, have a lazy fuck. :wink:

I've racked up a good number of those. I save my energy for the orgies :D

My town is denser than Phoenix but less dense than Houston. Of course, we've only got about 55,000 people including students and the reservation so I think we qualify as Real Americans by that measure. Of course, we elected a Green to the city council so that disqualifies us immediately.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL
haha the real america gambit is so dumb, however i'd rather have mcain than Obama, who is almost on the level of a socialist. Not that socialism horribly bad in theory, but in real life it fails. Nobama 08

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL
haha the real america gambit is so dumb, however i'd rather have mcain than Obama, who is almost on the level of a socialist. Not that socialism horribly bad in theory, but in real life it fails. Nobama 08

As opposed to more reaganomics which has worked ever so well.......

As opposed to more reaganomics which has worked ever so well.......

Good old Reganonmics....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6TyBH3KOtM

I think this makes a good point about the Economic style and legacy Regan has given us.

Anyone notice that we've been getting a strange number of fresh sign ups who are all McCainites?

Real Americans love BBQ.

I swear, as soon as I get access to a printer and my light table I'll be making this map of Real and Fake America.

I await your results eagerly!

Here's a 'real' American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc&

Real and Unreal Americans may not 'exist' but they should, some of these bigots should not have their votes counted.

Sweet merciful crap. That is just really, really sad. Sadder still would be not counting her vote. If the benighted have registered, then the benighted should get their votes counted. If I'm willing to get the vote out to those who might vote for something I agree with, I have to be okay with others doing the same for something I disagree with. That's the way it must work.

That doesn't change the fact that that lady is an abomination before the Lord and in dire need of either an exorcism or an orgasm. Possibly both. At the same time.

I fought with a squad from NYC. Don't you know we are Ameirca-haters?

Excellent point, and thank you for your service, by the way.

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I don't consider it to be a true democracy, actually.

When looking at the state of affairs in politics, it's basically a two party-system.

But seriously, is there that much difference between those two leading parties?

Compared to a lot of different countries, both European and non-European, both the Republican and the Democratic party are way right-wing. Most of the rightist Dutch politicians, for example, would be considered way too left to join the Democratic Party in the US...

Seriously, where's the choice if you're not somewhere between conservative and semi-nazist?

Most people I know, and that does in fact include actual Americans, consider American politics a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils...

If the electorate can be seen as a bell curve, with the far right and far left as the edges and the curve going up as both sides head toward the center, it's possible to see left and right candidates reaching for as much of the center as they can grab without completely alienating their far-left/right bases.

Doesn't that mean that the farther both candidates reach, the less difference there is between them?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL
haha the real america gambit is so dumb, however i'd rather have mcain than Obama, who is almost on the level of a socialist. Not that socialism horribly bad in theory, but in real life it fails. Nobama 08

Really? I see no swedes around complaining about their socialist country.

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatred?

Thank you.

simple. Real Americans are made in America! Fake Americans are cheap Chinese Knock-offs! :p

seriously tho. it seems more and more that the Republicans DON'T want to win this race.

In Australian news, it said that Obama was ahead in Virginia. Robert E Lee must be turning in his grave.

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiQCJXpbKg

simple. Real Americans are made in America! Fake Americans are cheap Chinese Knock-offs! :p

seriously tho. it seems more and more that the Republicans DON'T want to win this race.I wonder what gave you that impression.... :)

It makes me angry that a congresswoman would ask for an investigation into congress to find those who are anti-America.

that really is fucking scary.

I've racked up a good number of those. I save my energy for the orgies :D

Right on, mate!:D

Real Americans love BBQ.

Well, that's it then. I can't call myself a real American, because I dislike BBQ. :(

Well, that's it then. I can't call myself a real American, because I dislike BBQ. :(Prepare to have your citizenship revoked!

simple. Real Americans are made in America! Fake Americans are cheap Chinese Knock-offs! :p

seriously tho. it seems more and more that the Republicans DON'T want to win this race.

That might have merit. Think about the current state of the economy. The GOP may be thinking that anyone who wins the White House will be a one-term President.

In Australian news, it said that Obama was ahead in Virginia. Robert E Lee must be turning in his grave.

Actually Lee freed his own slaves before the Civil War started. He lead the Confederate Army out of an honorable sense of duty to his home state, not some crackerheaded contempt and hatred of blacks. Far as accounts go, he was the idealized Southern Gentleman through and through.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.

Actually Lee freed his own slaves before the Civil War started. He lead the Confederate Army out of an honorable sense of duty to his home state, not some crackerheaded contempt and hatred of blacks. Far as accounts go, he was the idealized Southern Gentleman through and through.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.Grant on the other hand continued to hold slaves in US territories (not covered by the emancipation proclimation) until well after the civil war. Go figure...

Grant on the other hand continued to hold slaves in US territories (not covered by the emancipation proclimation) until well after the civil war. Go figure...

And he became a Republican President. Go figure huh?

I wonder what gave you that impression.... :)

I dunno really... just a feeling I'm getting. :p

I know this has been mentioned in the mega thread, but I think it deserves a new thread. If it doesn't then I implore the mods to merge it. I am enraged at this notion that there are real Americans and fake Americans. I am enraged that McCain/Palin is suggesting that there are pro-American places in this country and anti-American parts. It makes me want to scream that people like Nancy PFhthendnehsndndnNower would prop up this BS on national television. It makes me angry that a congresswoman would ask for an investigation into congress to find those who are anti-America. I don't get mad about Rush Limbaugh because I already see him as a circus side show. These people should be punched in the face every time they blabber on about this tripe. As a fake American from NY/NJ I raise a huge middle finger in the air to all of these clowns. I'll take my un-American Marine ass and vote against every one of you that makes these stupid claims. I'll write letters to editors and expose your web of lies and bigotry. I'll remind you that Osama Bin Laden thought NYC was real America when he murdered two of my friends and 3,000+ others. How dare you continue to try and divide this nation! We will come together and destroy you and your ugly mindset.

#end rant#

What do you make of this tactic? It's the same tactic that GWB used in his "with us or against us" bullshit. Does this stick in your throat like it does mine. I'd like to hear from you all on this. The real America and the fake America. I'd also like to hear from the citizens of the world on this board. What do you think about this bigotry and hatred?

Thank you.

I see Murtha as un-American. Making wild-ass claims about US Marines that were especially insulting considering that none of them turned out to be true, and he refused to retract them, even after it became obvious that Murtha's claims were complete bullshit.

It's not a "with us or against us". If you're willing to take false allegations and run with them because it gives you joy to make the US look bad you're un-American.

It would be pro-American if you were running with the truth - but pushing a lie over and over again with the intent of making the US look bad is un-American.

Actually Lee freed his own slaves before the Civil War started. He lead the Confederate Army out of an honorable sense of duty to his home state, not some crackerheaded contempt and hatred of blacks. Far as accounts go, he was the idealized Southern Gentleman through and through.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.Nyeh. While Lee did all that, he viewed slavery as justified, because it taught the Africans Christianity.

I see Murtha as un-American. Making wild-ass claims about US Marines that were especially insulting considering that none of them turned out to be true, and he refused to retract them, even after it became obvious that Murtha's claims were complete bullshit.

It's not a "with us or against us". If you're willing to take false allegations and run with them because it gives you joy to make the US look bad you're un-American.

It would be pro-American if you were running with the truth - but pushing a lie over and over again with the intent of making the US look bad is un-American.

Let's see a conservative Democrat who served his country as an Eagle Scout and an outstanding Marine, who volunteered to serve in Vietnam, who earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, a Bronze Star, 2 Purple Hearts, the ivetnamese Cross of Gallantry, and the Navy Distinguished Service Medal, and who has served in Congress for some 24 years is "un-American" because he early on overstated the case against the Marines involved in criminal conduct that caused the deaths of civilians in Haditha, Iraq?

And stating one's opinion twice about how unacceptable the deaths in Haditha were is "pushing a lie over and over again with the intent of making the US look bad"?

I assume the U.S. military command that made statements about the "massacre" are also un-American?

I dunno really... just a feeling I'm getting. :pThat must be some kinda feeling. :)

If the electorate can be seen as a bell curve...
That's the problem, it is not a normal distribution at all.

I see Murtha as un-American. Making wild-ass claims about US Marines that were especially insulting considering that none of them turned out to be true, and he refused to retract them, even after it became obvious that Murtha's claims were complete bullshit.

It's not a "with us or against us". If you're willing to take false allegations and run with them because it gives you joy to make the US look bad you're un-American.

It would be pro-American if you were running with the truth - but pushing a lie over and over again with the intent of making the US look bad is un-American.

Was Murtha even IN the post you quoted? You are a silly, silly boy.

That's the problem, it is not a normal distribution at all.

Hence the "if". It's not going to be a perfect bell, but it's close enough to make the analogy work.

No, I really don't think it's anything close to a bell. More of a bimodal distribution with a distinct sag in the middle.

First, that is a silly definition of socialism.

Second, how do social security and unemployment insurance interfere with the free market?

Now don't get this wrong because I don't believe it to be completely true. Social Security and unemployment insurance take interfere with the free market because people are forced to hand over money that is a result of their work to people who do not work. Granted they may not work because they are too old, but that's not what the argument is about. A true free market would mean that you would keep all of the money that results from your investment (capital in the form of time, products produced, or services rendered). Support for paying what is absolutely necessary for government to function has to be a consideration. True capitalists would support that there be no other function for government besides police, fire, EMT, etc. Schools and hospitals should be funded on their own. People should save enough money during their working life to live out the rest of their days. The IRA and 401K systems could still exist because they are optional. This system could cause more problems or less.

I'm going to go back on topic and say that if this were the system in America then it would be real America. The people live withing the constructs of their government and should have the ability to change it as they see fit. No one should be told they are "anti-American" unless they actually commit an act of treason or sedition. Otherwise, expressing the rights the constitution gives you is totally American.

Real Americans love BBQ.

I'd say black people love BBQ the most (anyone see the 10 dollar food stamp with Obama's face on it surrounded by Ribs, KFC chicken, watermelon, and Kool-Aid?) so they are the most American. That makes Obama perfect to be president. I'd like to make a note here and say that I am part Black myself. I'm not a "halfsy" like Obama. I'll call myself...Caramel Frappicino.

I see Murtha as un-American. Making wild-ass claims about US Marines that were especially insulting considering that none of them turned out to be true, and he refused to retract them, even after it became obvious that Murtha's claims were complete bullshit.

It's not a "with us or against us". If you're willing to take false allegations and run with them because it gives you joy to make the US look bad you're un-American.

It would be pro-American if you were running with the truth - but pushing a lie over and over again with the intent of making the US look bad is un-American.

I would never call a fellow Marine un-American. I would call Murtha mkisguided, angry, and lacking the ability to wait for the jury to come in.

(anyone see the 10 dollar food stamp with Obama's face on it surrounded by Ribs, KFC chicken, watermelon, and Kool-Aid?) so they are the most American. That makes Obama perfect to be president.


And you're making me hungry. lol :)

And you're making me hungry. lol :)

Yeah, the funny thing is that I think most people like those foods. Fried chick, check. Although I don't really like KFC like they depicted in the photo. I'm more of a fan of Popeye's or Church's Chicken. Of course my favorite type of chicken comes on a sandwich from Chick-Fil-A. Kool-Aid was a staple in my house because it was cheap enough for a military family to afford. Ribs are just damn good, and who doesn't like watermelon at a BBQ?

I'll have to admit though that I have lived in "real America." I've lived in SC, TN, and GA. I've also lives in Brooklyn, NY, the big Island of Japan, Southern NJ, and now in the suburbs 12 miles (so the sign on Rt. 3 says) from that un-American borough of Manhattan. My great grandparents from my father's side came to this country from Italy in 1903. They started as chicken a farmers in Southern NJ. Even my grandfather continued the farm after his mother was too old while he worked a 9-5. My great grandpa fought in WW1, and my grandfather fought in WW2. My dad's family has fought in every major engagement this country has had since they arrived in 1903. My mother's family came from TN and have several military men in their ranks as well. If I didn't need to sleep right now I'd go on. So I guess I am half real American.

Now don't get this wrong because I don't believe it to be completely true. Social Security and unemployment insurance take interfere with the free market because people are forced to hand over money that is a result of their work to people who do not work. Granted they may not work because they are too old, but that's not what the argument is about. A true free market would mean that you would keep all of the money that results from your investment (capital in the form of time, products produced, or services rendered). Support for paying what is absolutely necessary for government to function has to be a consideration. True capitalists would support that there be no other function for government besides police, fire, EMT, etc. Schools and hospitals should be funded on their own. People should save enough money during their working life to live out the rest of their days. The IRA and 401K systems could still exist because they are optional. This system could cause more problems or less.

I'm going to go back on topic and say that if this were the system in America then it would be real America. The people live withing the constructs of their government and should have the ability to change it as they see fit. No one should be told they are "anti-American" unless they actually commit an act of treason or sedition. Otherwise, expressing the rights the constitution gives you is totally American.

And all those jobs that draw salaries but don't actually produce anything...?

Yeah, the funny thing is that I think most people like those foods. Fried chick, check. Although I don't really like KFC like they depicted in the photo. I'm more of a fan of Popeye's or Church's Chicken. Of course my favorite type of chicken comes on a sandwich from Chick-Fil-A. Kool-Aid was a staple in my house because it was cheap enough for a military family to afford. Ribs are just damn good, and who doesn't like watermelon at a BBQ?

I'll have to admit though that I have lived in "real America." I've lived in SC, TN, and GA. I've also lives in Brooklyn, NY, the big Island of Japan, Southern NJ, and now in the suburbs 12 miles (so the sign on Rt. 3 says) from that un-American borough of Manhattan. My great grandparents from my father's side came to this country from Italy in 1903. They started as chicken a farmers in Southern NJ. Even my grandfather continued the farm after his mother was too old while he worked a 9-5. My great grandpa fought in WW1, and my grandfather fought in WW2. My dad's family has fought in every major engagement this country has had since they arrived in 1903. My mother's family came from TN and have several military men in their ranks as well. If I didn't need to sleep right now I'd go on. So I guess I am half real American.

I've never liked watermelon.

This worries me greatly... This, the outright cruelness that people have begun to show, the spiteful retoric spouting from the McCain side.

I worry that pending the election outcome could result in "Real America" declaring war on "Fake America". Or if it goes the other way "Fake America" declaring war on "Real America".

This worries me greatly... This, the outright cruelness that people have begun to show, the spiteful retoric spouting from the McCain side.

I worry that pending the election outcome could result in "Real America" declaring war on "Fake America". Or if it goes the other way "Fake America" declaring war on "Real America".

Being a lifelong fan of entropy, I can't say that the prospect of a cultural civil war worries me at all. I'll head to the roof with a bowl of popcorn and a six of Fat Tire.

I worry that pending the election outcome could result in "Real America" declaring war on "Fake America". Or if it goes the other way "Fake America" declaring war on "Real America".

I could go for that. Hell, I'd consider enlisting for the chance to take a few shots at some of the pundits ... on both sides. What say we take the lead and start organizing 'a well regulated militia'?

Being a lifelong fan of entropy, I can't say that the prospect of a cultural civil war worries me at all. I'll head to the roof with a bowl of popcorn and a six of Fat Tire.
Good point... I better stock up on chips and dip.

I could go for that. Hell, I'd consider enlisting for the chance to take a few shots at some of the pundits ... on both sides. What say we take the lead and start organizing 'a well regulated militia'?
Hey, go for it, never know until you try.

I've never liked watermelon.

...what?

How can you not like watermelon?!

I worry that pending the election outcome could result in "Real America" declaring war on "Fake America". Or if it goes the other way "Fake America" declaring war on "Real America".

Like I said, John Titor's visit only pushed things off one election.

...what?

How can you not like watermelon?!

Ugh, I hate watermelon. All melons, actually.

I've never liked watermelon.

But watermelon is awesome!:eek2:

But watermelon is awesome!:eek2:

Honeydew is where its at.:D

Honeydew is where its at.:D

Well, I just like all melons: cantaloupe, honeydew and watermelon are awesome.

But watermelon is awesome!:eek2:Melons fail. :(

Melons fail. :(

They do not. They're good and refreshing.

They do not. They're good and refreshing.I wouldn't know, I can't eat them. :tongue::(

I wouldn't know, I can't eat them. :tongue::(

Youz allergic?:$

They do not. They're good and refreshing.

They're yucky.

Youz allergic?:$A gag-reflex. I just can't eat them, no matter how many different ways I try. -_-

I looooooooooooove Melon!

...I also like other types of melons. :D