NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm just curious as to what countries people are from on Nation States.
I'm American

Look it up.

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Look it up.
Do you mean that I should check people's forum profiles here? A good number of those don't even say what country the poster is from......

Germany, or Occupied-Territoryland.

Do you mean that I should check people's forum profiles here? A good number of those don't even say what country the poster is from......

My coordinates.

The city of Londonistan, where the Russian Mafia and evil Muslim hivemind have joint control over the city.

I'm just curious as to what countries people are from on Nation States.
I'm American

Ah. From Chile?

Usa

My coordinates.

Which will come in handy once I win the lottery and buy that C-130 and the 10,000 gallon vat of butterscotch pudding. :)

Ah. From Chile?

Are you sure you want to take the thread down this route?

Which will come in handy once I win the lottery and buy that C-130 and the 10,000 gallon vat of butterscotch pudding. :)

Mmm... butterscotch pudding. LG is British!:D


Kidding.:wink:

I come from Night Class... :)

I come from Night Class... :)

Ah, you're Japanese. *nod*

Ah, you're Japanese. *nod*

She spotted me! Oh noes!

*Runs*

Are you sure you want to take the thread down this route?
They only mentioned their nationality, not where they were from. It's legitimate to ask whether they're from Chile.

the Midlands :wink:

They only mentioned their nationality, not where they were from. It's legitimate to ask whether they're from Chile.

Sure, if you're living in a vacuum.

Sure, if you're living in a vacuum.

Man, that would hurt... er, briefly.

Sure, if you're living in a vacuum.Or if you know people who's "where they're from" is different from their nationality.

usa!
usa!
usa!
usa!


sorry, i was channelling my inner palin.

Or if you know people who's "where they're from" is different from their nationality.

It's legitimate if you don't actually know what this person is talking about when he uses his word, and if you don't know, then you're living in a vacuum, with no cultural context. My point was, when Neesika asked that question, it wasn't actually because she didn't know the answer, she wasn't actually confused about his location, she asked because she was annoyed that he used America to refer to a specific country, and wanted to point out the flaw in that. All I'm saying is, it's probably better off if we don't start going down that route, since these debates tend to be ugly.

I'm American.

It's legitimate if you don't actually know what this person is talking about when he uses his word, and if you don't know, then you're living in a vacuum, with no cultural context. My point was, when Neesika asked that question, it wasn't actually because she didn't know the answer, she wasn't actually confused about his location, she asked because she was annoyed that he used America to refer to a specific country, and wanted to point out the flaw in that. All I'm saying is, it's probably better off if we don't start going down that route, since these debates tend to be ugly.Oh, I knew that too. I've been pushing it down the route I mentioned earlier.

I'm American.So am I, but I'm not from America.

Are you sure you want to take the thread down this route?

You mean the route to clarity?

Always.

Sure, if you're living in a vacuum.

On an international forum, you'd have to live in a vacuum to insist we use your terms.

I'm from America too. Canada, to be specific.

X marks the spot

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8136/meherevz5.jpg

X marks the spot



That image looks like it's missing a bit of red to the west ;)

I'm Scottish for now.

That image looks like it's missing a bit of red to the west ;)

I'm Scottish for now.

yeah, i couldn't be bothered to re-colour N Ireland / Ireland as well... blame the guy who made the GE layer ;)


and just because i'm bored and it beats working, i was born at the top-right corner of the cross, lived for 10 years just a little to the left of the middle of it, moved for two years to just beyond the top-left corner, and now live and work slap-bang in the middle (which is why i put it there) :)

its actually a pretty tiny area when you look at it like that, but Cardiff seems like ages away to me. heh.

Ok. In all honesty? I'm an Englishman. :)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/tuebor/Michigan-1.jpg

Of course, I haven't been there in a while, but such is life.

http://www.casa-arbanil.com/boda/images/map_spain_regions.jpg

I'm a little lady from Spain.

Kawaii!! Spain! :D

I'm an Englishman and I'm from all over the south of England. born in Bristol living in Winchester with a girlfriend in London

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare of freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!

O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife.
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for halcyon skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the enameled plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till souls wax fair as earth and air
And music-hearted sea!

O beautiful for pilgrims feet,
Whose stem impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till paths be wrought through
wilds of thought
By pilgrim foot and knee!

O beautiful for glory-tale
Of liberating strife
When once and twice,
for man's avail
Men lavished precious life!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain
The banner of the free!

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till nobler men keep once again
Thy whiter jubilee!

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Wow, check out the racism in this song. Why am I not surprised? No wonder these other verses never get sung...

I live in South-East England. Tory heartlands. I don't like Tories, and from my daily encounters with these folks comes my general bitter and cynical view towards politics.

Depends on the context. I'm from Scotland, but I live in England. My address changes depending whether I'm at uni or not.:p

I live in South-East England. Tory heartlands. I don't like Tories, and from my daily encounters with these folks comes my general bitter and cynical view towards politics.
Tell me about it. The only party that has any chance of breaking the 60% Tory feifdom where I live is the BNP.

<----- I don't make it a secret...

Tell me about it. The only party that has any chance of breaking the 60% Tory feifdom where I live is the BNP.

I just looked it up, and the last time a non-conservative won my home constituency seat (or its nearest equivalent, the boundaries have shifted a bit) was a Liberal in 1901. I don't know why the other parties bother puttting a candidate forward in that situation, frankly.

I live in South-East England. Tory heartlands. I don't like Tories, and from my daily encounters with these folks comes my general bitter and cynical view towards politics.

Well, my non Uni residence is south east England, and I found it to be very liberal, huge green support for example, although that was Brighton.

On an international forum, you'd have to live in a vacuum to insist we use your terms.
And, as English is the unofficial international language, you'd have to be trying to start a fight by trying to re-define words that are, in the english language, totally acceptable to use and are used by international organizations and news media. For example, the Economist talks about "the American election" and "American-style Capitalism".

Not to mention the fact that it's the name our national leaders have used for our people, throughout our history, and is even acceptable in legal documents in the American system.

And, if that alone isn't enough, how about the fact that in many other languages, such as in German or Dutch or French or Spanish or Russian, "American" is a correct word to use for the American people of the United States of America. Even if other words do exist, like in French. For example, American is not incorrect. An example off the top of my head is when newspapers call[ed] Sarkozy, Sarko l'Américain. People didn't say, hmm...I wonder if what they really meant is Sarko the Mexican.....:p

So while other words exist in other languages, notably the Romance ones, American isn't incorrect, and it's even less incorrect on an international board which uses English.


Just to clarify.:p

Jeg bor i Norge men jeg kommer fra USA.

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Wow, check out the racism in this song. Why am I not surprised? No wonder these other verses never get sung...
What racism?:rolleyes:

Why should I tell anyone where I'm from?

Why should I tell anyone where I'm from?

In case of a world-wide emergency, we need to know where we need to send the coffin.

Northern Ireland.

Costa del Belfast / Shankill by the Sea to be precise

Canada and US. I was born in Canada and have a Canadian mother, but my father was an American. Thus, I am also a US citizen.

In case of a world-wide emergency, we need to know where we need to send the coffin.

Well, seeing as the coffin is my home, Anywhere is good. :D

Canada and US. I was born in Canada and have a Canadian mother, but my father was an American. Thus, I am also a US citizen.

You sir, are an eggplant. *nod*

Usa

Usa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa_District,_Oita

There?

France

England, the U.K.

America.

Northern Ireland.

Costa del Belfast / Shankill by the Sea to be precise

Another Belfast person here. Although at the moment, I'm living in St Andrews. Tons of N.Irish people here though. I think for every scot I meet, I meet two English people, 3 Americans and 7 N.Irish people.

Another Belfast person here. Although at the moment, I'm living in St Andrews. Tons of N.Irish people here though. I think for every scot I meet, I meet two English people, 3 Americans and 7 N.Irish people.

St. Andrews definitely seems to be full of English Ya's and Americans. I'm willing to bet Dundee has a larger proportion of Northern Irish people though

St. Andrews definitely seems to be full of English Ya's and Americans. I'm willing to bet Dundee has a larger proportion of Northern Irish people though

Try Edinburgh. Sheesh.

St. Andrews definitely seems to be full of English Ya's and Americans. I'm willing to bet Dundee has a larger proportion of Northern Irish people though
Aye St. Andrews is basically a fud training centre.

*edits*

And I'm from the UK

(Continental) (Contiguous) United States of America.

Which will come in handy once I win the lottery and buy that C-130 and the 10,000 gallon vat of butterscotch pudding. :)

10,000 gallons, sure, though I prefer pistachio, and the current resident in that house might be a bit irked.

Tricky question.

I was born in Spain, in the city of Vitoria, Álava, País Vasco. (Basque Country)

Yet, I have lived all my life in America. To be more precise, South America, Venezuela, capital city of Caracas.

I have both nationalities. So it's tricky to say where I am from.

Tricky question.

I was born in Spain, in the city of Vitoria, Álava, País Vasco. (Basque Country)

Yet, I have lived all my life in America. To be more precise, South America, Venezuela, capital city of Caracas.

I have both nationalities. So it's tricky to say where I am from.

You're like me: I'm Spanish by birth (Uviénse and Asturian) and I have the American citizenship on account of my dad. :tongue:

Tricky question.

I was born in Spain, in the city of Vitoria, Álava, País Vasco. (Basque Country)

Yet, I have lived all my life in America. To be more precise, South America, Venezuela, capital city of Caracas.

I have both nationalities. So it's tricky to say where I am from.I would have said Spain, under those circumstances.

Which will come in handy once I win the lottery and buy that C-130 and the 10,000 gallon vat of butterscotch pudding. :)C-5, for the win!

America. A blue state though.

Born Cockney. Live in the Isle of Man.

Born Cockney. Live in the Isle of Man.

I so want to visit the Isle of Man and learn Manx.:)

America. A blue state though.Is this to say there would be something wrong with you if you weren't from a blue state?

Is this to say there would be something wrong with you if you weren't from a blue state?

And what is a blue state?:confused:

And what is a blue state?:confused:

A state that favours a Democratic government, I think.

And what is a blue state?:confused:

A 'Blue state' is a state that tends be a state that the Democratic Party carries in national elections, or is "culturally Democratic" (a phrase that will probably need to be explained itself). When elections are shown on the news, Democratic Party states tend be colored blue on the map, while Republican Party states are colored red. 'Blue states' tend to be on the coasts of America, whereas 'red states' tend to be in the south and mid-west.

Myself, I'm 'American by birth, and Southern by the grace of God.'

I would love to live in a Red State, New York is awful.

And what is a blue state?:confused:

A state that typically votes for the democratic party on the federal level of government.

Is this to say there would be something wrong with you if you weren't from a blue state?

No it means go blue, Or reform the republican party from its current neo conservative bs and return to what the republican party was in years past. Before Reagan.

What racism?:rolleyes:

Well, you probably wouldn't consider it racism unless it outrighted shouted "FUCKING GOOK NIGGERS!" but:



O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till nobler men keep once again
Thy whiter jubilee!

Alabaster is a fancy synonym for the colour white, and I don't have to explain whiter jubilee.

Is this to say there would be something wrong with you if you weren't from a blue state?There's nothing wrong with being from a red state. (From one.)
It's just the "red" party, the Republicans, are rather...hm. Are much too...extreme? Is that a good word?

I'm from here (http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Allgemeines+Krankenhaus+Wandsbek%E2%80%8E&ie=UTF8&ll=53.570004,10.088523&spn=0.002329,0.006974&t=h&z=18). Though I'm not there anymore.

USA NC Forsyth

I'm from here (http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Allgemeines+Krankenhaus+Wandsbek%E2%80%8E&ie=UTF8&ll=53.570004,10.088523&spn=0.002329,0.006974&t=h&z=18). Though I'm not there anymore.

Very funny Leon haven't heard that before :rolleyes::)

Reminds me back in year 4, the standard reply to the question of "where were you born?" A: The hospital

I'm from the Undiscovered Country.

/off topic I had a dream Obama OR McCain was about to be elected president in a stadium... concert venue. I was backstage with Obama, saw some of my cousins in the bar (yeah we cool we had a bar lol) McCain was already on stage when Obama was still getting hyped up to go on. McCain kicked his wife, knocked her down, literally. Last I saw Obama he was smiling.. sexy arse. I woke up.

I dunno what the dream meant.

Wasn't smiling cause McCain kicked his wife btw!

/off topic I had a dream Obama OR McCain was about to be elected president in a stadium... concert venue. I was backstage with Obama, saw some of my cousins in the bar (yeah we cool we had a bar lol) McCain was already on stage when Obama was still getting hyped up to go on. McCain kicked his wife, knocked her down, literally. Last I saw Obama he was smiling.. sexy arse. I woke up.

I dunno what the dream meant.

Wasn't smiling cause McCain kicked his wife btw!

That is what it meant a sexual urging deep in your sub conscious.

A state that favours a Democratic government, I think.

Thank you all for clarifying that.:)

Thank you all for clarifying that.:)

I got there first! :D

Well if you included all my history, i'm actually part English, part Welsh, and part German. :)

I got there first! :D

Well if you included all my history, i'm actually part English, part Welsh, and part German. :)

Yes, you're also an eggplant. *nod*:D

Yes, you're also an eggplant. *nod*:D

mmm... Tasty! :D

mmm... Tasty! :D

With Parmesan cheese, oh yes. And dipped in batter and fried it's also good. *nod*

With Parmesan cheese, oh yes. And dipped in batter and fried it's also good. *nod*

*Writes down recipie*

I'm flemish. Altough some of you are going to correct by saying that I live in Belgium then. Well let me say this: No I do NOT live in Belgium, in live in the Flanders.

From Finland! If you haven't noticed.

United States of America.

I'm flemish. Altough some of you are going to correct by saying that I live in Belgium then. Well let me say this: No I do NOT live in Belgium, in live in the Flanders.
Vlaamse macht!:p

Alabaster is a fancy synonym for the colour white, and I don't have to explain whiter jubilee.

I'm inclined to agree with you over the 'whiter jubilee', but I'm going to be charitable and offer the possibility that those alabaster cities were a reference to marble buildings rather than a white citizenry.

Vatican City

Vatican City

Whoa! You're the Pope!:eek2:

I'm from the UK, but i'm part Welsh, part English, part New Zealander, part German and part Turkish.

I'm flemish. Altough some of you are going to correct by saying that I live in Belgium then. Well let me say this: No I do NOT live in Belgium, in live in the Flanders.


The Flanders are not a country. So you do live in Belgium, like it or not.

I'm not really from the country, I'm from the city.

Whoa! You're the Pope!:eek2:

The pope where???:hail:

The pope where???:hail:

It's Hairless Kitten!:eek2:

It's Hairless Kitten!:eek2:

I didn't know that the pope was a hairless kitten... is god a cat? :eek:

I didn't know that the pope was a hairless kitten... is god a cat? :eek:

Yes, the pope is a cat. Pope Catus I.

I'm from Finland. And proud about it.

Yes, the pope is a cat. Pope Catus I.

I bet he's feline fine. :D

The Flanders are not a country. So you do live in Belgium, like it or not.

Is Scotland a country?

The Flanders are not a country. So you do live in Belgium, like it or not.

I'm srry to bother you but, do you have any idea what's going on in Belgium?
I think if you knew you would understand that I was making a statement and not arguing about where the border ends?

Is Scotland a country?

I consider it a country. The Scots have a sense of nation and a personality all of their own, "vamos", they possess an identity. The fact that Scotland is part of the UK does not substract from this.

Every country in the UK is still a country in it's own right - they simply all answer to one government.

I'm srry to bother you but, do you have any idea what's going on in Belgium?
I think if you knew you would understand that I was making a statement and not arguing about where the border ends?

The initial question was:

'What country are you from?'

And Flanders is not a country.

And please be nice or we'll invade you once more. :)

Is Scotland a country?

They have a separated football (soccer for Americans) team. So it's a country :)

Every country in the UK is still a country in it's own right - they simply all answer to one government.

It's basically the same with nations under a commonwealth. The Irish, the part of Ireland that is part of the English Commonwealth, have also a national identity. I'm positive in saying that they feel Irish, regardless of having to answer to a British government.

It's basically the same with nations under a commonwealth. The Irish, the part of Ireland that is part of the English Commonwealth, have also a national identity. I'm positive in saying that they feel Irish, regardless of having to answer to a British government.

Exactly my point. :)

The have a separated football (soccer for Americans) team. So it's a country :)

I'm sure it entails more than a football team, but essentially yes. Scotland is a country.

I'm sure it entails more than a football team, but essentially yes. Scotland is a country.

I'm sorry... Scotlands... football team? *Cackles*

I consider it a country. The Scots have a sense of nation and a personality all of their own, "vamos", they possess an identity. The fact that Scotland is part of the UK does not substract from this.

I agree entirely. For those same reasons, I consider Flanders to be a country.

Alesund, Norway

I'm sorry... Scotlands... football team? *Cackles*

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Cocky Brit.

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Cocky Brit.

Meh - I don't even like football. :p

Meh - I don't even like football. :p

Neither do I. But I'm sure you understood what I was aiming for.

I agree entirely. For those same reasons, I consider Flanders to be a country.

In that case, you can call all states in US countries.

The bundeslands of Germany are more independent as Flanders is. But still they are not considered as single countries.

Flanders is currently not a country, not even close. It's just a region with some rights.

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Cocky Brit.

The Brit have no football team either :)

Neither do I. But I'm sure you understood what I was aiming for.

I do. ;)

The Brit have no football team either :)

They do when they go to FIFA.

In that case, you can call all states in US countries.

Some probably could be considered as such. Texas and Alaska, for example.

The bundeslands of Germany are more independent as Flanders is. But still they are not considered as single countries.

Largely because they (save for the Bavarians, of course) don't really consider themselves as that separate. I lived in Hesse for 2 years (in a lovely little town called Friedberg) and most Hessians I met really didn't half a shit about being Hessian.

Flanders is currently not a country, not even close. It's just a region with some rights.

And what, exactly, is the substantive difference between Scotland and Flanders?

Some probably could be considered as such. Texas and Alaska, for example.



Largely because they (save for the Bavarians, of course) don't really consider themselves as that separate. I lived in Hesse for 2 years (in a lovely little town called Friedberg) and most Hessians I met really didn't half a shit about being Hessian.



And what, exactly, is the substantive difference between Scotland and Flanders?

The Flanders have no national football team.

The Flanders have no national football team.

HK, please. Being a nation entails more than having a football team.:rolleyes:

The Flanders have no independent currency and didn't have one before the Euro was introduced. The regions of Belgium follow the same Belgian law set. It will not happen that the death penalty is alive in one region and death in the other. The cars have the same license plates. The identity cards and driver licenses are the same for all regions. Etc etc etc...

The Flanders have no national football team.

So, Padania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padania_national_football_team) and Occitania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitania_national_football_team) (which have no political structure whatsoever) are countries, but Flanders isn't?

So, Padania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padania_national_football_team) and Occitania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitania_national_football_team) (which have no political structure whatsoever) are countries, but Flanders isn't?

Those teams are not official recognized by the FIFA.

So it are not countries :p

So, Padania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padania_national_football_team) and Occitania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitania_national_football_team) (which have no political structure whatsoever) are countries, but Flanders isn't?

No, Flanders is a province. It is a not a country in its own right and it should not be a country in its own right.

Scotland has, historically, been a country in its own right. Flanders, has not.

Also, I am from Belgium, but I am Danish.

The Flanders have no independent currency and didn't have one before the Euro was introduced.

So?

The regions of Belgium follow the same Belgian law set.

Flanders has its own Parliament and makes laws that apply only with their region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Parliament

The cars have the same license plates. The identity cards and driver licenses are the same for all regions. Etc etc etc...

So? They're still part of the same political federation but that doesn't mean they're not a country. I think you're confusing country and state.

No, Flanders is a province. It is a not a country in its own right and it should not be a country in its own right.

Scotland has, historically, been a country in its own right. Flanders, has not.

Also, I am from Belgium, but I am Danish.


It's not a province. But a region. Flanders is containing several provinces.

It's not a province. But a region. Flanders is containing several provinces.

Hmm, may have mixed it up with something else unintentionally.

I believe I accidentally mixed it with up Vlaams-brabant.

But yes, it is a region.

So?



Flanders has its own Parliament and makes laws that apply only with their region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Parliament



So? They're still part of the same political federation but that doesn't mean they're not a country. I think you're confusing country and state.


It's a puppet parliament with almost no power. They can only rule about small stuff.
There are no Flemish ambassadors around the world.

Walloons and Flemish have the same national dish: Fries with mayonnaise.

Flanders are not a state or country. It's a region.

United States of America

It's a puppet parliament with almost no power. They can only rule about small stuff.
There are no Flemish ambassadors around the world.

Again, what's the difference between Scotland and Flanders?

Walloons and Flemish have the same national dish: Fries with mayonnaise.

So? That's as arbitrary a metric as the football team one.

Flanders are not a state or country. It's a region.

And what's the difference here between Flanders and Wales?

@New Wallonochia,

It's a little off topic, no? We'll talk about this issue in a new thread, later some time.

Ok, for you?

I'm from good ol' USA.

@New Wallonochia,

It's a little off topic, no? We'll talk about this issue in a new thread, later some time.

Ok, for you?

Certainly. Anyway, it's a moot point because...

Belgium doesn't exist! (http://zapatopi.net/belgium/)

I was not born in any country, i was spawned from the great beast himself.

More like sculpted from the torn limb of a demon.
Yeah, that's right

I am from Alaska, and a member of the Alaskan seperatist party. GO ALASKA!!!

I'm positive in saying that they feel Irish, regardless of having to answer to a British government.

The majority actually want to stay in the UK, according to the most recent referendum.

The majority actually want to stay in the UK, according to the most recent referendum.

Indeed, but they still feel they're Irish. I wonder... can the Irish of NSG confirm this?

Again, what's the difference between Scotland and Flanders?

Scotland has its own parliament, they are a separate race to the English and some speak a separate language.

Indeed, but they still feel they're Irish. I wonder... can the Irish of NSG confirm this?

The Northern Irish that voted to stay in the UK are mainly actually Scottish. It goes back a long way and this isn't the place for it.

Scotland has its own parliament, they are a separate race to the English and some speak a separate language.

If you're speaking about Scottish Gaelic, I don't think it's considered a separate language, but a dialect. But I may be mistaken so let me check.

If you're speaking about Scottish Gaelic, I don't think it's considered a separate language, but a dialect.

Correct.

I was conceived in Glasgow, Scotland, but born in Melbourne, Australia.
From Monty Python (the "Bruce from the University of Woolomoloo sketch):
"Here is a wattle,
It's the emblem of our land
You can stick it in a bottle
Or hold it in your hand
Australia! Australia! Australia!
God bless you! Amen!"

As you can see, Aussies have a reputation for irreverence. (Not to be confused with "irrelevance").

Correct.

Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are from the same branch, of the Goidelic branch. Both are considered dialects.

By the early 16th century, English speakers gave the Gaelic language the name Erse (meaning Irish) and thereafter it was invariably the collection of Middle English dialects spoken within the Kingdom of the Scots that they referred to as Scottis (whence Scots). This was ironic as it was at this time that Gaelic was developing its distinctly Scottish forms characteristic of the Modern period[8]. Nevertheless, Gaelic has never been entirely displaced of national language status, and is still recognised by many Scots,[citation needed] whether or not they speak Gaelic, as being a crucial part of the nation's culture. Of course, others may view it primarily as a regional language of the highlands and islands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_gaelic#History

Scotland has its own parliament, they are a separate race to the English and some speak a separate language.

Flanders has it's own parliament, is a different ethnicity than the Wallonians and speak a different language than the Wallonians.

Flanders has it's own parliament, is a different ethnicity than the Wallonians and speak a different language than the Wallonians.

Is Flemish similar to German? I heard that one time.

Is Flemish similar to Germany? I heard that one time.

It's a dialect of Dutch.

And what's the difference here between Flanders and Wales?

Actually Wales IS a country its a just technically a principality of England, and its been in the union with England longer than any other of the four constituant countries. It IS a country just with less independence than Scotland

If you're speaking about Scottish Gaelic, I don't think it's considered a separate language, but a dialect. But I may be mistaken so let me check.

I meant separate to English, not to Irish.

Actually Wales IS a country its a just technically a principality of England, and its been in the union with England longer than any other of the four constituant countries. It IS a country just with less independence than Scotland

Yes, I'm aware that Wales is a country. That was actually my point.

Indeed, but they still feel they're Irish. I wonder... can the Irish of NSG confirm this?

I ain't touching this with a barge pole!

Certainly. Anyway, it's a moot point because...

Belgium doesn't exist! (http://zapatopi.net/belgium/)

I think the Belgian government and the rest of the international community would definately disagree with you there!

You have to face facts, Belgium exists whether you like it or not, its a UNION of countries, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, as far as I know Flanders is not recognised as independent by ANY country in the world (be it recognised itself or not)

ts been in the union with England longer

Wrong, legally it was Ireland actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudabiliter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Rhuddlan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_in_Wales_Acts_1535%E2%80%931542

I meant separate to English, not to Irish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_gaelic#History

It is still considered a dialect, although it's also considered the language of the Scots.

I think the Belgian government and the rest of the international community would definately disagree with you there!

You have to face facts, Belgium exists whether you like it or not, its a UNION of countries, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, as far as I know Flanders is not recognised as independent by ANY country in the world (be it recognised itself or not)

You did that get that was a joke, yes? Perhaps you should check out the link.

I think the Belgian government and the rest of the international community would definately disagree with you there!

You have to face facts, Belgium exists whether you like it or not, its a UNION of countries, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, as far as I know Flanders is not recognised as independent by ANY country in the world (be it recognised itself or not)

That website is clearly not meant to be taken seriously.

It's a dialect of Dutch.

Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_gaelic#History


No, Scottish Gaelic is NOT a dialect of English.

Flanders has it's own parliament, is a different ethnicity than the Wallonians and speak a different language than the Wallonians.

Give em independence then.

No, Scottish Gaelic is NOT a dialect of English.

Neither is Euskera, and it's still considered a dialect in Spain.

Neither is Euskera, and it's still considered a dialect in Spain.

The state of Basque language, which isn't a dialect anyway, it's about as far as possible from the meaning of the wrod, in Spain has nothing to do with this. In Scotland Gaelic is the co-official language, and is not a dialect of English. They're not even close.

Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic and Welsh and Cornish and Manx and anyother Celtic language is SEPERATE from English in EVERY WAY! anyone who says different has obviously never seen or heard the language!

SCOTS is the only language that could be considered a dialect of English but it is different to true Scottish Gaelic! Scottish Gaelic is in a completly different branch of the Indo-European language tree! along with Irish. Welsh and Cornish and Breton are in yet another Branch within the Celtic group!

English is Germanic, Scottish is Celtic and is not, never has been and never will be a dialect of English no matter how many words cross over from English to Scottish and Scottish to English.

Neither is Euskera, and it's still considered a dialect in Spain.I don't know what your terminology in Spanish is, but in the English language the word "dialect" is not the same thing as "language". The test is mutual comprehensibility, which can be iffy in borderline cases (as with the mutual interbreedability test for what is a separate "species") but Basque is in no way a "dialect" of Spanish.

Wrong, legally it was Ireland actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudabiliter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Rhuddlan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_in_Wales_Acts_1535%E2%80%931542

Wales has been linked legally or not with England for longer than Ireland mate, I think i would know, I AM Welsh!

The state of Basque language in Spain has nothing to do with this. In Scotland Gaelic is the co-official language, and is not a dialect of English. They're not even close.

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to tell you. In the UK, and you should know this better than me, English is the official language. Is it not? All the rest of the sub-languages spoken there are considered dialects.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic_language):
By the early 16th century, English speakers gave the Gaelic language the name Erse (meaning Irish) and thereafter it was invariably the collection of Middle English dialects spoken within the Kingdom of the Scots that they referred to as Scottis (whence Scots). This was ironic as it was at this time that Gaelic was developing its distinctly Scottish forms characteristic of the Modern period[8]. Nevertheless, Gaelic has never been entirely displaced of national language status, and is still recognised by many Scots,[citation needed] whether or not they speak Gaelic, as being a crucial part of the nation's culture. Of course, others may view it primarily as a regional language of the highlands and islands.

Wales has been linked legally or not with England for longer than Ireland mate, I think i would know, I AM Welsh!

Being ruled by, yes, but in an official union, like you said earlier, no. That was Ireland.

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to tell you. In the UK, and you should know this better than me, English is the official language. Is it not? All the rest of the sub-languages spoken there are considered dialects.


You are completely wrong. Scots is NOT Scottish Gaelic. Welsh and Scottish Gaelic are official languages in Wales and Scotland. They are not sub-languages or dialects.

Well, I only speak in one Dialect, so i'm no use in this debate. :p

This thread has become hilarious.

*munches popcorn*

I don't know what your terminology in Spanish is, but in the English language the word "dialect" is not the same thing as "language". The test is mutual comprehensibility, which can be iffy in borderline cases (as with the mutual interbreedability test for what is a separate "species") but Basque is in no way a "dialect" of Spanish.

By dialect in Spain we mean the collection of sub langauges spoken in the different provinces, dialects that evolved from the mix of the ofificial language and the influence of other Romance languages (ex: Galician is a mizture of Spanish and Portuguese). I know, very well, that Euskera isn't linked to Spanish in any way. Heck, it has no resemblance whatsoever to any other language spoken in Europe. But the Basque Country (Euskal Herriá), is in Spain (and there's a portion of the country also in France), and Euskera is considered a dialect in Spain.

Being ruled by, yes, but in an official union, like you said earlier, no. That was Ireland.

It was a seperate country before the English invaded (not in the modern idea of what a nation state is, which only really took effect in the early 20th Century), it was ruled by the English (though not very well) for a long time, but maintained its royalty for a long time (the last one being Owain Glyndwr), but England never really tamed or got control over it until the Tudors. Since then the oldest son of the BRITISH monarch is Prince of Wales. It is a seperate country that has been occupied, under the influence or in a union with England a lot longer than Ireland ever was!

Interesting that we are all writing in English. It's a bit of an academic exercise to argue about Gaelic. How many people in Scotland speak it today?
I was in Cork last year and the Irish still speak Gaelic as their first language on the west coast - I heard it. Fascinating (I think Tolkein based his elvish language on it).

It is a seperate country that has been occupied, under the influence or in a union with England a lot longer than Ireland ever was!

You really want to be shouting that from the tree tops? :tongue:

You're like me: I'm Spanish by birth (Uviénse and Asturian) and I have the American citizenship on account of my dad. :tongue:

Didn't know your father was from the US.

Euskera is considered a dialect in Spain.You mean, it is called "uno dialecto" or "una dialecta" (whichever it is) in Spanish, but don't be mislead by the similarity of the words to say, IN ENGLISH, that it is "a dialect", because the English language does not use that word that way.

Interesting that we are all writing in English. It's a bit of an academic exercise to argue about Gaelic. How many people in Scotland speak it today?
A couple of thousand.

(I think Tolkein based his elvish language on it).

No.

You are completely wrong. Scots is NOT Scottish Gaelic. Welsh and Scottish Gaelic are official languages in Wales and Scotland. They are not sub-languages or dialects.

Well, I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic_language#Official_recognition

You are completely wrong. Scots is NOT Scottish Gaelic. Welsh and Scottish Gaelic are official languages in Wales and Scotland. They are not sub-languages or dialects.

Correct, Scots is a germanic language which is basically English with an incredably strong accent, its almost impossible to understand to any other English speaker. THAT COULD be considered a dialect.

English is the sole official language of the United Kingdom and England
HOWEVER, English has duel official status alongside:
Scottish Gaelic in Scotland
Welsh in Wales
and I think Irish Gaelic in Northern Ireland

They are NOT dialects, they are languages in their own right, they are not even dialects of each other

Well, I stand corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic_language#Official_recognition

See. It's not an official language in the UK, just in Scotland. Also don't get Scots and Scottish Gaelic confused.

Didn't know your father was from the US.

Oh yes. He is. Not a "gringo", mind you, but Puerto Rican.;)

Interesting that we are all writing in English. It's a bit of an academic exercise to argue about Gaelic. How many people in Scotland speak it today?
I was in Cork last year and the Irish still speak Gaelic as their first language on the west coast - I heard it. Fascinating (I think Tolkein based his elvish language on it).

I'm currently vacationing in western France and have spent a fair bit of my time in Brittany (I'm sort of "based" in Angers because I get free lodging from some old friends) so I've seen a fair bit of written Breton and heard a bit spoken. It's a very interesting language. I'd kinda like to come back someday and study it.

English is the sole official language of the United Kingdom
No, Welsh and Scottish in Wales and Scotland.


and I think Irish Gaelic in Northern ireland

No.

<--

Where else can you get jetlag from traveling to a different city?

and I think Irish Gaelic in Northern Ireland


Ulster Scots.

See. It's not an official language in the UK, just in Scotland. Also don't get Scots and Scottish Gaelic confused.
Alright, alright - no one likes a gloater.

You really want to be shouting that from the tree tops? :tongue:

It really doesn't bother me, I'm British first, Welsh second, some British people tend to find that hard to understand but its true, I am a citizen of the United Kingdom, where I have grown up and where my father comes from is of little relivance to me, I'm British same as and English person is British and a Scottish person is British.

See. It's not an official language in the UK, just in Scotland. Also don't get Scots and Scottish Gaelic confused.

I know the difference between Scots and Scottish Gaelic.

...since the 16th century the word Scots has by-and-large been used to describe the Lowland Anglic language, which developed from the northern form of early Middle English.

((Also from that Wiki link))

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Where else can you get jetlag from traveling to a different city?

Canada, China, America.

I know the difference between Scots and Scottish Gaelic.

Oh. Earlier on you used an article on Scots to prove your point on Scottish Gaelic.

Canada, China, America.

Australia, Indonesia.

No, Welsh and Scottish in Wales and Scotland.



Yeah thats what I meant, as an entire country though English is the only official language, Welsh for example is not an official language of the UK it is only official in Wales! English is the only language to have official status in EVERY part of the union.

<--

Where else can you get jetlag from traveling to a different city?

India, England, Spain.

Yeah thats what I meant, as an entire country though English is the only official language, Welsh for example is not an official language of the UK it is only official in Wales! English is the only language to have official status in EVERY part of the union.

Oh. Sorry, but to be fair your post could have been a little clearer.

Oh. Earlier on you used an article on Scots to prove your point on Scottish Gaelic.

It states both things, dear. But as I told you, I stand corrected. :wink:
Scottish Gaelic has been recognized as an official language since, accoriding to that article, 2005.

India,

Really? That's amazing.

England, Spain.

No.

I'm currently vacationing in western France and have spent a fair bit of my time in Brittany (I'm sort of "based" in Angers because I get free lodging from some old friends) so I've seen a fair bit of written Breton and heard a bit spoken. It's a very interesting language. I'd kinda like to come back someday and study it.

Western France - :) MMMM! Bretons! Lovely! If you go to Paris, camp at the Bois de Boulogne (It's really cheap) We toured France in a camper van nand stayed there - It's a great location (close to the Arc de Triomphe).

No.

I do. I suffer from terrible jetlag no matter where I travel.:tongue:

I'm from Honduras

I'm from Honduras

Bienvenido/a.

Gracias :)

I do. I suffer from terrible jetlag no matter where I travel.:tongue:

Even to the shops? :D

Even to the shops? :D

No silly. Jetlag= taking a plane.:wink:

No silly. Jetlag= taking a plane.:wink:

I knowz - I just like to be the clown. ;)

Western France - :) MMMM! Bretons! Lovely! If you go to Paris, camp at the Bois de Boulogne (It's really cheap) We toured France in a camper van nand stayed there - It's a great location (close to the Arc de Triomphe).

This time I'm visiting some friends and exploring some of the smaller towns in Anjou and Brittany. Paris is nice and all but I'm not all that keen on cities that huge. I get all claustrophobic and such. Unfortunately, it's back to Kuwait in a week or so :(

Australia, Indonesia.

Russia.

Russia.

That was the original country that kicked this off. Re-read the thread.

This time I'm visiting some friends and exploring some of the smaller towns in Anjou and Brittany.

Off-topic-ish:
I would love to learn Breton, the language of Brittany.

Back!: I would love to go back and visit L'Auvergne.

Off-topic-ish:
I would love to learn Breton, the language of Brittany.

Like your Cornish wish, just learn Welsh. Basically the same, easier to find a teacher/classes.

England

Like your Cornish wish, just learn Welsh. Basically the same, easier to find a teacher/classes.

As soon as I finish with Japanese.

As soon as I finish with Japanese.

Also an awesome language. :D

As soon as I finish with Japanese.

I'll give you another 10 odd years then. Sayonara Nanatsu-kun.Is that right? I don't speak much Japanese.

That was the original country that kicked this off. Re-read the thread.

It was?:confused:

"Dont mess with me......I know karate (and six other Japanese words!)"

It was?:confused:

I meant the jetlag thing.

I meant the jetlag thing.

Ah, I see.

Like your Cornish wish, just learn Welsh. Basically the same, easier to find a teacher/classes.

Depending on where you lived. If you lived in Angers like I used to I imagine it'd be easier to find Breton classes.

Off-topic-ish:
I would love to learn Breton, the language of Brittany.

Back!: I would love to go back and visit L'Auvergne.

Maybe someday I'll learn it. I'll be moving back to this area in 2010, so maybe I'll look into it then.

Born in Indonesia, family came to the States when I was but a wee little toddler.

You mean the route to clarity?

Always.

On an international forum, you'd have to live in a vacuum to insist we use your terms.

I'm from America too. Canada, to be specific.

Except unless I'm mistaken (I might be, but doubt it) there is only one country that refers to itself as "America" or for that matter has "America" as part of its name (more likely to be wrong on this part).
Thus if someone says they are an American in reference to their nationality it is already clear the they are from the United States of America.

Iceland..:(

The Brit have no football team either :)

No, England has a football side, not Great Britain. England is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Norway

St. Andrews definitely seems to be full of English Ya's and Americans. I'm willing to bet Dundee has a larger proportion of Northern Irish people though
There are a lot of of upper class English people here. In general its a pretty international university. My flatmates include a german, a polish guy and a chineese guy. And I've met people from all over Europe. Its pretty cool.
Try Edinburgh. Sheesh.
We should have a competition. I'm beating a new N.Irish person nearly every other day at the moment. Mostly from the Lisburn direction for some reason.
Aye St. Andrews is basically a fud training centre.

*edits*

And I'm from the UK

Fud?

Ulster Scots.


Alright, alright - no one likes a gloater.

Ulster Scots- Stupidty in Language form.

Iceland..:(
Don't be unhappy, you're going about this from the wrong angle. It's exciting stuff, it's the sort of thing you read about in history books afterwards and wonder what it would have been like.

So hey, I'm looking at a much harder time getting the career I want, my dad lost his job, but that's no reason to get all choked up about it. At least it's not boring.

I would however strongly suggest you take whatever money you have and put it into gold (or euros). The kroner is done for, if not tomorrow, then in a year or so.

The dreaded city of Detroit, USA.

The dreaded city of Detroit, USA.

http://www.lmnotees.com/store/images/products/guys_217_M4.jpg

http://www.lmnotees.com/store/images/products/guys_217_M4.jpg

Oooooh, just the weak? Spread the word, things are looking up.

I'm constantly on the run from the Illuminati...I'm currently hiding out in...OH NO! They've figured it out!!

*Begin epic chase scene*

Norway

Norway is a figment of my imagination.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/Imfromhere.jpg

Can you hear me now? ;)

Norway is a figment of my imagination.

You don´t say? So that means that Australia is a figment of my macabre imagination then?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Katganistan/Imfromhere.jpg

Is that clear enough?No, I need your stre-
Never mind. :)

I'm from Katganistan*. [/serious]

*Totally not serious.

From Cuba. Native born Cuban now American citizen.

Like your Cornish wish, just learn Welsh. Basically the same, easier to find a teacher/classes.

Kinda true, if a Breton speaker spoke to a Welsh speaker they would understand each other (to an extent) but its not the same language it would be like a French person speaking standard French to someone who only spoke French Creole. So if he wants to learn Breton , Welsh isn't a perfect match.. I dont think the Bretons have LL either which is kinda important in Welsh

From Cuba. Native born Cuban now American citizen.

Y mis abuelos también.

You don´t say? So that means that Australia is a figment of my macabre imagination then?

Sure.

I live in Pennsylvania, part of the United States
Easten PA, not Western, no cult towns here

As soon as I finish with Japanese.

Just how many can you speak Nanatsu

Just how many can you speak Nanatsu

At the moment I can speak, fluently, Spanish, Asturian, Gallego, French and English. Semi-fluently, I can speak Japanese. I can understand Italian, Portuguese, Catalá and Extremeño and even a bit of Romanian. Why?

At the moment I can speak, fluently, Spanish, Asturian, Gallego, French and English. Semi-fluently, I can speak Japanese. I can understand Italian, Portuguese, Catalá and Extremeño and even a bit of Romanian. Why?

That's a lot of languages.

That's a lot of languages.

Yes, but if you come to think about it, I can only speak in 5. I'm ambitious, I want to be able to communicate in as many languages as possible, fluently.

At the moment I can speak, fluently, Spanish, Asturian, Gallego, French and English. Semi-fluently, I can speak Japanese. I can understand Italian, Portuguese, Catalá and Extremeño and even a bit of Romanian. Why?

Good lord - I am most impressed Yuki-Chan. :)

Good lord - I am most impressed Yuki-Chan. :)

Hehehe.:tongue: