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This might get merged into the Election thread, and it probably should, but I was just watching This Week with David Stephanopolous and it was announced there that former Secretary of State and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell, has come out in favor of Barack Obama.

The panelists on the show seemed to think that this will defend against the attacks on Obama's readiness to be Commander-in-Chief. What says NSG -- what impact, if any, will this have on the race?

Wow, the black guy,endorses the black guy for Prez. stop the fucking presses here,sorta like water is wet,dog bites mail man ect, Obama is going to get 97% of the black vote, so whats the story here? really?

Hurrah for Obama.

As it stands, I'm quite sick and tired of this election stuff, and I wish that it could be done with. It's damn near decided already anyways, so why should we be kept stringing along?

Wow, the black guy,endorses the black guy for Prez. stop the fucking presses here,sorta like water is wet,dog bites mail man ect, Obama is going to get 97% of the black vote, so whats the story here? really?

The story is that a major figure in the last two administrations -- the person who sold the Iraq invasion to the UN -- has endorsed the Democratic candidate. Skin color is a consideration, sure, but the military are historically a conservative lot. Or have you forgotten the noise Bush's team made in 2000 over the absentee votes from soldiers? At that time they were obviously as sure that those votes would bring Florida to Bush as the Gore team was that the illegally-purged re-enfranchised felon voters would bring Florida to Gore.

Honestly, was there such a need to go off like that, or are you just practicing because you're professionally unpleasant?

This might get merged into the Election thread, and it probably should, but I was just watching This Week with David Stephanopolous and it was announced there that former Secretary of State and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell, has come out in favor of Barack Obama.

The panelists on the show seemed to think that this will defend against the attacks on Obama's readiness to be Commander-in-Chief. What says NSG -- what impact, if any, will this have on the race?

Actually I already posted this in the general election thread. Four hours ago I believe.

The story is that a major figure in the last two administrations -- the person who sold the Iraq invasion to the UN -- has endorsed the Democratic candidate. Skin color is a consideration, sure, but the military are historically a conservative lot. Or have you forgotten the noise Bush's team made in 2000 over the absentee votes from soldiers? At that time they were obviously as sure that those votes would bring Florida to Bush as the Gore team was that the illegally-purged re-enfranchised felon voters would bring Florida to Gore.

Honestly, was there such a need to go off like that, or are you just practicing because you're professionally unpleasant?

Can't forget that Bush trashed the Powell Doctrine with the ever-so-silly Bush Doctrine. The worst part in that being, Bush replaced a highly functional and strategic military doctrine with something that could only exist on, essentially, life support.

Actually I already posted this in the general election thread. Four hours ago I believe.

I figured as much. That thread is too enormous to scan now -- my apologies.

Can't forget that Bush trashed the Powell Doctrine with the ever-so-silly Bush Doctrine. The worst part in that being, Bush replaced a highly functional and strategic military doctrine with something that could only exist on, essentially, life support.

Exactly. That's why this is a significant endorsement. A man who served Bush doesn't like the Republican successor's notions of foreign policy enough to endorse that successor's opponent.

I figured as much. That thread is too enormous to scan now -- my apologies.



Exactly. That's why this is a significant endorsement. A man who served Bush doesn't like the Republican successor's notions of foreign policy enough to endorse that successor's opponent.

Good to get it out front where folk can see it. Probably dominate the news cycle tomorrow.

Good to get it out front where folk can see it. Probably dominate the news cycle tomorrow.

Agreed.

Wow, the black guy,endorses the black guy for Prez. stop the fucking presses here,sorta like water is wet,dog bites mail man ect, Obama is going to get 97% of the black vote, so whats the story here? really?

To further comment on the race idea mentioned earlier, would you have said the same thing if Madeline Albright had endorsed John McCain? Where was your racial outrage when Henry Kissinger met with Sarah Palin?

Mcain is incompetent and palin is a wacko nutjob. Theres your real story.

Thanks for your post, but I'd like to keep this thread on topic, please, if possible.

Exactly. That's why this is a significant endorsement. A man who served Bush doesn't like the Republican successor's notions of foreign policy enough to endorse that successor's opponent.

To start off with, I have a hell of a lot of respect for Colin Powell.

Very much so, this is the man who was just a few heartbeats away from the Presidency of the United States, in a Republican administration. This is a man whose name had been bandied about by the Republican's as a Prez candidate for years. He made the case for the war--a case that was made far more believable because it was Powell who made it--before the UN.

Bush trashed his legacy, and made a fool out of him in public. There's a fucking reason he endorsed Obama.

The truth is a unpleasant thing, I knew Powell was not going to support McCain,Powell is supporting Obama because, Obama is black,to be brutally honest Powell was never a real republican in the first place, he has been always as the Britsh say, "a bit wet "

The truth is a unpleasant thing, I knew Powell was not going to support McCain,Powell is supporting Obama because, Obama is black,to be brutally honest Powell was never a real republican in the first place, he has been always as the Britsh say, "a bit wet "

And the grapes are probably sour anyway. :tongue:

The truth is a unpleasant thing,

If people find most of what you say unpleasant, maybe it's not "the truth" that's such. Maybe it's you.

I knew Powell was not going to support McCain,Powell is supporting Obama because, Obama is black,to be brutally honest Powell was never a real republican in the first place, he has been always as the Britsh say, "a bit wet "

He's not a true Scotsman either!

My point was, we all knew that Powell was not going to endorse McCain, Race trumps all things in US Politics.

Barak Obama is one of the biggest extremists in America and Biden is an idiot.

"Three letter word, jobs." What an idiot.

My point was, we all knew that Powell was not going to endorse McCain, Race trumps all things in US Politics.

Tell that to Condi Rice. Or Alan Keyes.

Barak Obama is one of the biggest extremists in America and Biden is an idiot.

"Three letter word, jobs." What an idiot.

Barack.

:D

That actually makes me look at Obama more favorably. I have tremendous respect for that man and what he has accomplished, and his endorsement will quite possibly swing a few votes. Not that Obama needs them right now, but regardless.

Barak Obama is one of the biggest extremists in America

Thats funny... I swear I heard them plotting to kill people at the REPUBLICAN rally.

Barak Obama is one of the biggest extremists in America and Biden is an idiot.

"Three letter word, jobs." What an idiot.

You know the thing you forget, and all republicans have forgoten is that since reagan all republicans have been extreme right wing nutjobs. Mcain is a radical extremist, he is a neo conservative. Neo conservatism is a plague on the entire world, and the idea that barrack will some how stiffle jobs is ridiculous.

Ah yes, Condi Rice,and Alan Keyes,they get the flipside of the politics of race in the US,they are attacked for their race,for not being leftist,both are seen as " Uncle Toms " while Obama is seen as a demi-god.

That is how it is in US Politics,and the media these days.

My point was, we all knew that Powell was not going to endorse McCain, Race trumps all things in US Politics.

I was going to reply, but the Master beat me to it.

Tell that to Condi Rice. Or Alan Keyes.

Thanks, O Muddy Clown Taco Prince of Pies.

Ah yes, Condi Rice,and Alan Keyes,they get the flipside of the politics of race in the US,they are attacked for their race,for not being leftist,both are seen as " Uncle Toms " while Obama is seen as a demi-god.

That is how it is in US Politics,and the media these days.

Where are they being attacked? I have yet to see any credible attack on them by the media or the left regarding race

Wow, the black guy,endorses the black guy for Prez. stop the fucking presses here,sorta like water is wet,dog bites mail man ect, Obama is going to get 97% of the black vote, so whats the story here? really?

Despite the existence of the black hive-mind, it is mildly interesting that a prominent Republican who was Ronald Reagan's National Security Advisor, Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George H.W. Bush, and Secretary of State for George W. Bush is endorsing the Democratic candidate, Barack Obama.

Now the truth of the matter is my respect for Powell was greatly diminished by his role in the W. Administration, especially his performance before the U.N. Security Council. Nonetheless, this is a signficant boost for Obama.

Oh, Obama is black? Didn't know that.

Oh, Obama is black? Didn't know that.

Barely.

On a scale of blackness with 1 being Michael Jackson and 10 being James Brown, He's about a 3. ;)

Oh, Obama is black? Didn't know that.

That is understandable considering his race gets no coverage in the media.

Barely.

On a scale of blackness with 1 being Michael Jackson and 10 being James Brown, He's about a 3. ;)

So he's more white than black?

Didn't know he's white either.

So he's more white than black?

Didn't know he's white either.

McCain is a 2. ;)

Clinton is a 7.

Despite the existence of the black hive-mind, it is mildly interesting that a prominent Republican who was Ronald Reagan's National Security Advisor, Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George H.W. Bush, and Secretary of State for George W. Bush is endorsing the Democratic candidate, Barack Obama.

Now the truth of the matter is my respect for Powell was greatly diminished by his role in the W. Administration, especially his performance before the U.N. Security Council. Nonetheless, this is a signficant boost for Obama.

It is rather hard to respect a man after he allows someone to shove their arm up his ass so he can be used as a puppet.

I endorse Obama as well.

And I'm not black, didn't lie in front of the U.N. and I even hate bling bling and rap music

Clinton is a 7.

Indeed. :D

Wow, the black guy,endorses the black guy for Prez. stop the fucking presses here,sorta like water is wet,dog bites mail man ect, Obama is going to get 97% of the black vote, so whats the story here? really?

So all black people automatically vote for the black guy? Sure, most do, but their are black Republicans. Its significant because unlike most black voters, Powell switched sides, and because he's both respected and experienced.

Stop being a racist ass.

It is rather hard to respect a man after he allows someone to shove their arm up his ass so he can be used as a puppet.

SOme people pay extra for that. :D

So all black people automatically vote for the black guy? Sure, most do, but their are black Republicans. Its significant because unlike most black voters, Powell switched sides, and because he's both respected and experienced.

Stop being a racist ass.

Well clearly even though black voters favor Democratic candidates anyway and only 12% of the population is black, the real magic bullet is race. So clearly starting in 2012 and on, only black politicians from both parties can run for the Presidency. Once you go black, you never go back. ;)

It is rather hard to respect a man after he allows someone to shove their arm up his ass so he can be used as a puppet.
Regardless, his endorsement still can't be dismissed with a wave of the hand.

It is rather hard to respect a man after he allows someone to shove their arm up his ass so he can be used as a puppet.

Still hard to respect the man born into a poor black family in Harlem who dragged himself up by his bootstraps to become one of the most respected generals in the world since World War Two, and became the first ever black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs (as well as the youngest)?

No...still very easy to respect him. He may have screwed up, but the Powell doctrine wasn't flawed-the Bush Doctrine is. He just gets the rap because everyone remembers him at the UN.

Also, I find it amusing that the majority of blacks in the U.S. are democrats, but it was the Democrats who tried to keep them as slaves back in the 1860's...:tongue:

Oh, Obama is black? Didn't know that.

Barely.

On a scale of blackness with 1 being Michael Jackson and 10 being James Brown, He's about a 3. ;)

That is understandable considering his race gets no coverage in the media.

So he's more white than black?

Didn't know he's white either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoDbO3NeTj4

I've got news for you- he's not black. He's half black. He barely passes the Brown Paper Bag Test!

The endorsement of someone who shamed himself in front of the world with the lies about Iraq's WMD, and thus completely devoid of even the semblance of integrity and character, is a positive thing for the person being endorsed?

Only in the USA...

The endorsement of someone who shamed himself in front of the world with the lies about Iraq's WMD, and thus completely devoid of even the semblance of integrity and character, is a positive thing for the person being endorsed?

Only in the USA...

Well, he did quit his job in 2004. :tongue:

Well, he did quit his job in 2004. :tongue:

Nixon quit his in 1974. I guess absolution for one's villainy is easily acquired like that, over there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoDbO3NeTj4

Yay! :D

Nixon quit his in 1974. I guess absolution for one's villainy is easily acquired like that, over there.

Look at Henry Kissinger. :D

Look at Henry Kissinger. :D

I'd rather not, since I like having a functional cock.

The endorsement of someone who shamed himself in front of the world with the lies about Iraq's WMD, and thus completely devoid of even the semblance of integrity and character, is a positive thing for the person being endorsed?

Only in the USA...

The point is that it's positive in the context of the future outlook, in the sense that Obama's prospect of winning seems stronger if even someone like Colin Powell endorses him.

My point was, we all knew that Powell was not going to endorse McCain, Race trumps all things in US Politics.That's not true. But I would welcome evidence that proves your point.

The point is that it's positive in the context of the future outlook, in the sense that Obama's prospect of winning seems stronger if even someone like Colin Powell endorses him.

That is so sad, on so many levels. Pitiable, were it not for me not feeling generous with compassion this evening.

That is so sad, on so many levels. Pitiable, were it not for me not feeling generous with compassion this evening.

Who are you and what have you done with Fass?

That is so sad, on so many levels. Pitiable, were it not for me not feeling generous with compassion this evening.

It's sad that Obama's prospect of winning seems stronger to some people?

Nixon quit his in 1974. I guess absolution for one's villainy is easily acquired like that, over there.

Largely, it is. Especially for public figures.

Who are you and what have you done with Fass?

I am a working boy in a field with inexhaustible social interaction and thus replete with oceans of emotions capable of eroding even the most callous of walls. Fret not, it is but momentary and usually only relegated to pensive and frigid Sunday evenings.

I'd rather not, since I like having a functional cock.

I did not need a fleeting image of Kissinger like that. *shudders*

It's sad that Obama's prospect of winning seems stronger to some people?

Are you going out of your way to misunderstand his point?

It's sad that Obama's prospect of winning seems stronger to some people?

It is sad that he is the "better" choice, it is sad that even as that he needs the support of liars to get elected, it is also sad that the race card is relevant to be played by both sides... as I said, it is sad on many levels, I can only afford due to boredom with the matter to enumerate a small selection thereof.

Are you going out of your way to misunderstand his point?

It's hard to ascertain what Fass' points usually are, since they're so wrapped up with boorish moralising rhetoric.

Are you going out of your way to misunderstand his point?

Oh, it's effortless for him, rest assured.

it is sad that even as that he needs the support of liars to get elected

Of course he does, republicans make up a large portion of the US population.


it is also sad that the race card is relevant to be played by both sides

Is it being played specifically here? And in what way? Are you agreeing with BrightonBurg?

It's hard to ascertain what Fass' points usually are, since they're so wrapped up with boorish moralising rhetoric.
It's only hard to ascertain Fass' points if a person is stupid, or deliberately misrepresenting him.

Also, I find it amusing that the majority of blacks in the U.S. are democrats, but it was the Democrats who tried to keep them as slaves back in the 1860's...:tongue:

'Cuz (1) black people are stupid and (2) the parties haven't changed at all in the last 140+ years. :rolleyes:

The endorsement of someone who shamed himself in front of the world with the lies about Iraq's WMD, and thus completely devoid of even the semblance of integrity and character, is a positive thing for the person being endorsed?

Only in the USA...

Setting aside your hatred of the USA for a moment, the endorsement of a Democrat by someone who is a life-long Republican and still respected in some quarters (especially among Republicans and some independents) is, of course, a positive thing.

It's only hard to ascertain Fass' points if a person is stupid, or deliberately misrepresenting him.

What does this have to do with you anyway? Why do you always pop up when I'm addressing something Fass said, he's perfectly capable of defending himself.

Of course he does, republicans make up a large portion of the US population.

Now, now, there are some honourable republicans out there. Evil and heinous, most certainly, but honourable within those limits of putridly antediluvian stances.

Is it being played specifically here?

I gather you do not read their papers. Neither do I, but even as such I cannot escape from them in my daily RSS flow.

It is sad that he is the "better" choice, it is sad that even as that he needs the support of liars to get elected, it is also sad that the race card is relevant to be played by both sides... as I said, it is sad on many levels, I can only afford due to boredom with the matter to enumerate a small selection thereof.

It is sad to be the better choice between two primary candidates?

It is sad that even prominent political opponents are endorsing Obama?

The "race card" is being played merely because Powell and Obama are both black?

Your articulated levels of sad don't make much sense.

It's only hard to ascertain Fass' points if a person is stupid, or deliberately misrepresenting him.

It's not an either or, really, but what's with trying to bolster me? Have I suddenly unbeknownst to me fallen into such a need?

What does this have to do with you anyway? Why do you always pop up when I'm addressing something Fass said, he's perfectly capable of defending himself.

So you agree with my statement.

Good.

It's not an either or, really, but what's with trying to bolster me? Have I suddenly unbeknownst to me fallen into such a need?

Shut up this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with my hangover.

Setting aside your hatred of the USA

And setting aside your persecution complexes and simplistic projections...

for a moment, the endorsement of a Democrat by someone who is a life-long Republican and still respected in some quarters (especially among Republicans and some independents) is, of course, a positive thing.

Spoken like a true product of a two-party quasi-system.

So you agree with my statement.

Good.

:rolleyes:

Shut up this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with my hangover.

Virtually fellating me is not a cure for such (only doing so in real life is), but the best advice I can share is: more booze.

It is sad that he is the "better" choice, it is sad that even as that he needs the support of liars to get elected, it is also sad that the race card is relevant to be played by both sides... as I said, it is sad on many levels, I can only afford due to boredom with the matter to enumerate a small selection thereof.

While you're being assisted by the people here and the need to feed the news cycle that drives it, his 'needing' the support is more than a little overstated. Endorsements by themselves don't really amount to that much. In 2003 the well regarded in the party Al Gore endorsed Howard Dean, and yet Kerry was the candidate.

For people on the left of where the US puts the fence do by and large feel that he sold his credibility, if not his soul, down the river for the Bush administration-arguably by taking the job in the first place, but absolutely in front of the UN. (some hold out that his resegnation was at least in part an attempt at buying his soul back)

His storied reluctance to do what he did, whether it was real or an attempt to save some face by those around him, has really reduced how much this will mean to insignificant enough for you to get all worked up about, unless you were just looking for something to cluck your tongue at.

There are negligible if any who would have switched their vote from Obama had Powell endorsed McCain, and few in the other direction are likely to do the same. For partisans on both sides there are reasons to dismiss this endorsement (and not necessarily race-for the Republican partisans his 'reluctance' is enough) There may be a handful of undecideds somewhere who may be slightly more inclined by this with no real understanding of Powell beyond "Wasn't he the Gulf War I guy?"-but two weeks out from a 20 month long campaign, anyone still undecided who can be swayed by such a tangential endorsement is just as likely to be swayed next week by someone shining a flashlight on the wall and the effect of this is going to be statistically insignificant. It's just something to talk about.

Watching the US media proves my point,they have been treating Obama with kid gloves from day one, if McCain had a Terry McViegh like person as a house freind, McCain would be toast, Obama hangs out with people who are litterary marxist revolutionaries,and Obama gets a pass.

If McCain was hanging with David Duke,it would be all over,but I can not convence you,if you are on the Obama band waggon, peoples zeal,to see the 1st black president of the US is clouding their judgment,and people are glossing over all the faults of Obama.

And if not wanting Obama as president makes me a racist,then I guess I am guilty,but then I will say fuck you for your false judgment of me

Enough of this self pandering ego stroking bullshit. Either contribute something meaningful or grow the fuck up.

And setting aside your persecution complexes and simplistic projections...


Yeah, dude, he's totally pulling that out of thin air...

'Cuz (1) black people are stupid and (2) the parties haven't changed at all in the last 140+ years. :rolleyes:


Draw back your claws, tiger. I know that the parties have changed, it's just an amusing anecdote, since somebody mentioned that the majority of blacks are democrats.

Enough of this self pandering ego stroking bullshit. Either contribute something meaningful or grow the fuck up.
You're living in a fools paradise, Neo Art.

Enough of this self pandering ego stroking bullshit. Either contribute something meaningful or grow the fuck up.

Aye, you're right. I'll stop with the heckling (that is if no posts are so inane that my resistance to not replying is not strong enough).

It is sad to be the better choice between two primary candidates?

I am sure it brings a quantum of solace, alas only without perspective.

It is sad that even prominent political opponents are endorsing Obama?

It is sad that the lying douchebag (pardonnez-moi, mon francais n'est guère soigné ce soir, je ne sais ce qui m'arrive, vraiment) is still to be considered prominent this side of the decade.

The "race card" is being played merely because Powell and Obama are both black?

Well, Obama is accused of playing it often, the accusers now reach for it themselves, as the lowest, most attainable fruit of derision, so I am not without appreciation for the hypocrisy, but Powell can't play house-****** one year, and not the next.

Your articulated levels of sad don't make much sense.

That's OK, that perspective still eludes you.

Mcain is incompetent and palin is a wacko nutjob. Theres your real story.

That ain't a story. Well, not an interesting one at least. We've already heard that one.


To further comment on the race idea mentioned earlier, would you have said the same thing if Madeline Albright had endorsed John McCain? Where was your racial outrage when Henry Kissinger met with Sarah Palin?

Wow, the white guys,endorses the white guys for Prez. stop the fucking presses here,sorta like water is wet,dog bites mail man ect, McCain is going to get 97% of the white vote, so whats the story here? really?

The truth is a unpleasant thing, I knew Powell was not going to support McCain,Powell is supporting Obama because, Obama is black,to be brutally honest Powell was never a real republican in the first place, he has been always as the Britsh say, "a bit wet "

Out of curiousity, what made Powell not "a real republican in the first place"? I suspect you might me No True Scotsmaning.

Also, I find it amusing that the majority of blacks in the U.S. are democrats, but it was the Democrats who tried to keep them as slaves back in the 1860's...:tongue:

If memory serves, the labels got switched at some point. Note how in the Civil War the South was largely Democrat and that it is now largely Republican (among White voters I mean).

That is so sad, on so many levels. Pitiable, were it not for me not feeling generous with compassion this evening.

I believe it's already been said, but the important thing here is that someone who has been a rather large Republican figure and was a bit of a star in the party to boot, has pulled a 180 and lended his support to Barack Obama. Think of someone like Reagan declaring his support for Bill Clinton and you'll have an exaggerated, yet functional idea of why this is a big deal.

Who are you talking to Neo Art?

Enough of this self pandering ego stroking bullshit. Either contribute something meaningful or grow the fuck up.

Sounds like I'm not the only one who's hung over.

Wow, the black guy,endorses the black guy for Prez. stop the fucking presses here,sorta like water is wet,dog bites mail man ect, Obama is going to get 97% of the black vote, so whats the story here? really?

Considering that Powell is a conservative, and an important fromer figure in a Republican administration, IS news.

You are stopping at skin color. I think Powell has thought things through.

The fact that a conservative is endorsing a liberal Democrat say something.

One thing is that maybe, just maybe, there is some hope for some decrease in partisanship and the beginnings of things like pragmatism and true working together for some solutions.

He is the biggest name black to cross that partisan divide to endorse someone.

There was a big fuss of a slightly different nature when Lieberman, a Democrat, endorsed and has been on the stage with McCain. So should we say "Oh, the white guy endorsed a white guy?" (or maybe we could say, hey, the white guy couldn't bring himself to endorse the black guy, so bolted?)

I really think that may, just maybe, there is a little bit of common sense making an appearance, and people actually THINKING and engaging their brains, and truly looking at things, choosing who they think is best.

Sure, there is still a lot of craziness out there. But you have to start somewhere.

if McCain had a Terry McViegh like person as a house freind
He has lots of those. Gordon Liddy and the Saddam lobbyist are the best known, but there are other loons on the McCain.
McCain would be toast

He IS toast.

Powell's polices are center/left,not really a Republican,sorta of like Susan Collins of ME

Is Powell's endorsement going to have any significant effects? No.

But it is a sign that even amongst prominent conservatives that they realize McCain is going to be more of the Dubya Presidency and all the downward spiral it entails.

Nixon quit his in 1974. I guess absolution for one's villainy is easily acquired like that, over there.
Yes but Powell wasn't facing impeachment.

Sounds like I'm not the only one who's hung over.

No, I'm not hung over, I'm not "disgruntled" or "on the rag" or "on the wrong side of the bed" either. I'm tired.

I'm tired of something that SHOULD be about discussion of the world we live in turning into attempts at pathetic, sad, and desperate attempts at one upmanship. I'm tired of whiny children trying to make conversations about events into glorified edifices of their own ego. I'm tired of meaningful attempts at actual education discourse being drowned out by the inane babble of people who haven't figured out that nobody wants to hear their whiny bullshit, and when people are actually TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, if yo can't contribute in some meaningful way, shut the fuck up. I'm tired of people who just can't seem to figure out that it's not ALWAYS about them.

I'm tired.

And I'm done.

Rather than talk merely about alleged symbolism, perhaps one might care what Powell had to say (in his after the interview press conference)*:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama Sunday during an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I think he is a transformational figure, he is a new generation coming onto the world stage, onto the American stage, and for that reason I'll be voting for Senator Barack Obama," Powell said.

Powell spoke to reporters afterward outside NBC.

The following is a transcript of that conversation.

Reporter: Do you think that Sen. Obama will be a better transitional president than potentially Sen. McCain?

Colin Powell: I think that Sen. Obama brings a fresh set of of eyes, a fresh set of ideas to the table. I think that Sen. McCain, as gifted as he is, is essentially going to execute the Republican agenda, the orthodoxy of the Republican agenda with a new face and with a maverick approach to it. And he'd be quite good at it. But I think we need more than that. I think we need a generational change. And I think Sen. Obama has captured the feelings of the young people of America and is reaching out in a more diverse, inclusive way across our society. Watch Powell tell why he supports Obama »

Reporter: Could you talk to us about when your decision was made final? When did you finally set your heart on Sen. Obama?

Powell: I have been watching, as I said [on "Meet the Press"], for a long time, and then, within the past couple of months, I really said, you know, you just can't keep watching. You've got to kind of settle down.

And frankly, it was in the period leading up to the conventions, and then the decisions that came out of the conventions, and then just sort of watching the responses of the two individuals on the economic crisis. It gave me an opportunity to evaluate their judgment, to evaluate their way of approaching a problem, to evaluate the steadiness of their actions. And it was at that point that I realized that, to my mind, anyway, that Sen. Obama has demonstrated the kind of calm, patient, intellectual, steady approach to problem-solving that I think we need in this country.

Reporter: Mr. Secretary, there were a number of chinks in your own armor, actually, because of the lead-up to the Iraq war and the events. How much did that play into your decision about this? And will it be taken perhaps by some, because of your previous high-profile position, won't it be taken by some as a repudiation of the Iraq war?

Powell: I don't know why. The Iraq war is the Iraq war. We now see that things are a lot better in Iraq. Maybe if we had put a surge in at the beginning, it would have been a lot better years ago, but it's a lot better now, and we can see ahead to where U.S. forces will start to come out. And so, my concern was not my past or what happened in Iraq, but where we're going in the future. My sole concern was where are we going after January 20 of 2009, not what happened in 2003.

I'm well aware of the role I played. My role has been very, very straightforward. I wanted to avoid a war. The president agreed with me. We tried to do that. We couldn't get it through the U.N. and when the president made the decision, I supported that decision. And I've never blinked from that. I've never said I didn't support a decision to go to war.

And the war looked great until the 9th of April, when the statue fell, everybody thought it was terrific. And it was terrific. The troops had done a great job. But then we failed to understand that the war really was not over, that a new phase of the war was beginning. And we weren't ready for it and we didn't respond to it well enough, and things went very, very -- very, very south, very bad.

And now it's starting to turn around through the work of Gen. Petraeus and the troops, through the work of the Iraqi government, through our diplomatic efforts, and I hope now that this war will be brought to an end, at least as far as American involvement is concerned, and the Iraqis are going to have to be responsible for their own security and for their own political future. ...

Reporter: Sir, what part did McCain's negativity play in your decision, the negative tone of the campaign?

Powell: It troubled me. We have two wars. We have economic problems. We have health problems. We have education problems. We have infrastructure problems. We have problems around the world with our allies. So those are the problems the American people wanted to hear about, not about Mr. Ayers, not about who's a Muslim or who's not a Muslim. Those kinds of images going out on Al-Jazeera are killing us around the world.

And we have got to say to the world, it doesn't make any difference who you are or what you are, if you're an American, you're an American. And this business, for example, of the congressman from Minnesota who's going around saying, "Let's examine all congressmen to see who is pro-America or not pro-America" -- we have got to stop this kind of nonsense, pull ourselves together and remember that our great strength is in our unity and in our diversity. And so, that really was driving me.

And to focus on people like Mr. Ayers and these trivial issues, for the purpose of suggesting that somehow Mr. Obama would have some kind of terrorist inclinations, I thought that was over the top. It was beyond just good political fighting back and forth. I think it went beyond. And to sort of throw in this little Muslim connection, you know, "He's a Muslim and, my goodness, he's a terrorist" -- it was taking root. And we can't judge our people and we can't hold our elections on that kind of basis.

So, yes, that kind of negativity troubled me, And the constant shifting of the argument. I was troubled a couple of weeks ago when in the middle of the crisis, the [McCain] campaign said, "We're going to go negative," and they announced it, "We're going to go negative and attack [Obama's] character through Bill Ayers." Now I guess the message this week is, "We're going to call him a socialist, Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have."

Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who paid them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there is nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more, who should be paying less. And for us to say that that makes you a socialist, I think is an unfortunate characterization that isn't accurate.

I don't want my taxes raised. I don't want anybody else's taxes raised. But I also want to see our infrastructure fixed. I don't want to have a $12 trillion national debt, and I don't want to see an annual deficit that's over $500 billion heading toward a trillion. So, how do we deal with all of this?

Reporter: Are you still a Republican?

Powell: Yes.

Reporter: Have you conveyed your decision to Sen. Obama?

Powell: Calls are being made. Thank you.

*Here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27266223/) is the transcript of his Meet the Press interview. I'm not going to quote, as it is very lengthy.

Hmmm. to my knowledge, Mr Liddy has not committed acts of Terrorism against the US, Watergate is nothing compaired to what Bill Ayers has done,and got away with, Liddy did his time in prison,Ayers is a major player in Chiago poltics.

Cant compair them,not even close.

Hah, the fora censored house-******? Wow. So Anglophone...

Powell's polices are center/left,not really a Republican,sorta of like Susan Collins of ME

If someone who served in prominent leadership positions in the Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II administrations and is a life-long Republican isn't "really a Republican," who the fuck is?

No, I'm not hung over, I'm not "disgruntled" or "on the rag" or "on the wrong side of the bed" either. I'm tired.

I'm tired of something that SHOULD be about discussion of the world we live in turning into attempts at pathetic, sad, and desperate attempts at one upmanship. I'm tired of whiny children trying to make conversations about events into glorified edifices of their own ego. I'm tired of meaningful attempts at actual education discourse being drowned out by the inane babble of people who haven't figured out that nobody wants to hear their whiny bullshit, and when people are actually TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, if yo can't contribute in some meaningful way, shut the fuck up. I'm tired of people who just can't seem to figure out that it's not ALWAYS about them.

I'm tired.

And I'm done.

*enjoying the irony*

No, I'm not hung over, I'm not "disgruntled" or "on the rag" or "on the wrong side of the bed" either. I'm tired.

I'm tired of something that SHOULD be about discussion of the world we live in turning into attempts at pathetic, sad, and desperate attempts at one upmanship. I'm tired of whiny children trying to make conversations about events into glorified edifices of their own ego. I'm tired of meaningful attempts at actual education discourse being drowned out by the inane babble of people who haven't figured out that nobody wants to hear their whiny bullshit, and when people are actually TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, if yo can't contribute in some meaningful way, shut the fuck up. I'm tired of people who just can't seem to figure out that it's not ALWAYS about them.

I'm tired.

And I'm done.
Sweetie, that's what the ignore button is for.

Ayers is a major player in Chiago poltics.
Yes, because people like Walter Annenberg, Ronald Reagan's close friend and ambassador to Britain, consider his past an irrelevancy. It is Annenberg who chose both Ayers and Obama, along with a lot of Republicans and a few other Democrats, for his across-the-spectrum board. Annenberg's widow remains a major fund-raiser for Republican campaigns, like McCain's, but McCain does not accuse her of "palling around with terrorists".
Where have you been that you do not know what a non-story all this Ayers hokum is?

No, I'm not hung over, I'm not "disgruntled" or "on the rag" or "on the wrong side of the bed" either. I'm tired.

I'm tired of something that SHOULD be about discussion of the world we live in turning into attempts at pathetic, sad, and desperate attempts at one upmanship. I'm tired of whiny children trying to make conversations about events into glorified edifices of their own ego. I'm tired of meaningful attempts at actual education discourse being drowned out by the inane babble of people who haven't figured out that nobody wants to hear their whiny bullshit, and when people are actually TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, if yo can't contribute in some meaningful way, shut the fuck up. I'm tired of people who just can't seem to figure out that it's not ALWAYS about them.

I'm tired.

And I'm done.

The Internet and especially NSG is like a glory hole. As long as some people think they'll be relatively anonymous and unable to be tracked down to their very doorsteps they'll stick their genitalia in to show off with the hopes that someone'll suck on it and worship it.

Yes but Powell wasn't facing impeachment.

Another sad fact.

Powell's polices are center/left,not really a Republican,sorta of like Susan Collins of ME

Could you explain which policies?

That's not true. But I would welcome evidence that proves your point.

He has lots of those. Gordon Liddy and the Saddam lobbyist are the best known, but there are other loons on the McCain.

He IS toast.

If someone who served in prominent leadership positions in the Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II administrations and is a life-long Republican isn't "really a Republican," who the fuck is?


His party is that of a Repulblican,but he is no Conserative, he is pro choice, pro higher taxes,pro affirmative action,pro quotas on down the line, his heart is a liberal,he should have been in the Democrat party,by his endorsement of Obama,he is just going home again,Powell should stop the sham,and switch parties

Sweetie, that's what the ignore button is for.
I think that might be his goodbye to NSG.

I was totally going to choose 'on the rag' next.

Hmmm. to my knowledge, Mr Liddy has not committed acts of Terrorism against the US, Watergate is nothing compaired to what Bill Ayers has done,and got away with, Liddy did his time in prison,Ayers is a major player in Chiago poltics.

Cant compair them,not even close.

Yeah, only one was actually convicted in court. :p

His party is that of a Repulblican,but he is no Conserative, he is pro choice, pro higher taxes,pro affirmative action,pro quotas on down the line, his heart is a liberal,he should have been in the Democrat party,by his endorsement of Obama,he is just going home again,Powell should stop the sham,and switch parties

If you'll say the same of Zell Miller, then agreed. Otherwise, meh. :tongue:

His party is that of a Repulblican,but he is no Conserative, he is pro choice, pro higher taxes,pro affirmative action,pro quotas on down the line, his heart is a liberal,he should have been in the Democrat party,by his endorsement of Obama,he is just going home again,Powell should stop the sham,and switch parties
Not all Republicans are Conservatives. Also, not all Conservatives are neo-cons. This strict limitation of what it takes to belong to the Republican party or qualify as conservative is just a fiction made up quite recently by neo-cons.

So, I hate to break it to you, but Colin Powell is a True Scotsman, even if he does put sugar on his oatmeal.

I think that might be his goodbye to NSG.

I was totally going to choose 'on the rag' next.
I hope not. Who will I flirt with online if he leaves? :(

I was totally going to choose 'on the rag' next.

Lymphogranuloma venereum can mimic it at first glance. *nods*

I hope not. Who will I flirt with online if he leaves? :(

*coughs*

Could you explain which policies?


I take it you dont know who Susan Collins is,ok to save time, Powell agrees with anything, and everything ever said by Obama,Powell is pro-choice,pro taxes, right on down the line.

Hmmm.. Maybe Powell will get a job in Obama's govt. I am sure Obama thanks his followers well.

The Internet and especially NSG is like a glory hole. As long as some people think they'll be relatively anonymous and unable to be tracked down to their very doorsteps they'll stick their genitalia in to show off with the hopes that someone'll suck on it and worship it.

Now look, I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but I'm really not trying to make myself 'look better'. I'm just really argumentative, if someone says something that I think is extremely inane, or extremely arrogant, I just have to reply, even if it's over something as petty as earlier.

*coughs*
It's not the same...

I take it you dont know who Susan Collins is,ok to save time, Powell agrees with anything, and everything ever said by Obama,Powell is pro-choice,pro taxes, right on down the line.

Hmmm.. Maybe Powell will get a job in Obama's govt. I am sure Obama thanks his followers well.
Brighton strikes me as some one who has no idea who Powell is or his history.

I hope not. Who will I flirt with online if he leaves? :(

Uhm, you asked the resident online flirt slut that. It's as if you were fishing for a new liaison...

Now look, I'm not sure if you're referring to me, but I'm really not trying to make myself 'look better'. I'm just really argumentative, if someone says something that I think is extremely inane, or extremely arrogant, I just have to reply, even if it's over something as petty as earlier.

It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, it was an observation of general internet behavior especially in regards to arguments.

It's not the same...

:(

Fine.

Guess I'll go too. *sniff*

His party is that of a Repulblican,but he is no Conserative, he is pro choice, pro higher taxes,pro affirmative action,pro quotas on down the line, his heart is a liberal,he should have been in the Democrat party,by his endorsement of Obama,he is just going home again,Powell should stop the sham,and switch parties

Yes, his 71-year "sham" that fooled Ronald Reagan and both Bush Administrations. A "sham" that included donating the legal maximum to McCain's campaign and being a friend of McCain's for 25 years. :rolleyes:

"Pro-higher taxes"? "Pro quotas on down the line"? Where the fuck are you getting this stuff from?

:(

Fine.

Guess I'll go too. *sniff*
Dammit. Now look what I've done. Now I'll have to go jetsetting all over the fucking map to ...well...it's a fucking map, so... Dammit.

I take it you dont know who Susan Collins is,ok to save time, Powell agrees with anything, and everything ever said by Obama,Powell is pro-choice,pro taxes, right on down the line.

Hmmm.. Maybe Powell will get a job in Obama's govt. I am sure Obama thanks his followers well.

You make it sound so... sordid.

Of course Obama will give possissions to his followers (if they're qualified), because most of his followers will share certain ideals of his, and agree with his policy objectives. Doing otherwise would make little sense. Or do you expect McCain to give Obama or Clinton a Cabinate possission if he wins?

I take it you dont know who Susan Collins is,ok to save time, Powell agrees with anything, and everything ever said by Obama,Powell is pro-choice,pro taxes, right on down the line.

Hmmm.. Maybe Powell will get a job in Obama's govt. I am sure Obama thanks his followers well.

For the love of God, source this. I don't care which part. Just source any of this.

Brighton strikes me as some one who has no idea who Powell is or his history.
Brighton strikes me as a typical rightwinger frustrated that his guy is not leading the election race.

He can't deny Obama's lead, so instead all he can do is deny that any of Obama's advantages mean anything. If Republicans decide to abandon McCain and endorse Obama, then they're not Republicans, so it doesn't mean that even Republicans think he'd be the better choice. Wah-wah, sour grapes, etc.

Yes, his 71-year "sham" that fooled Ronald Reagan and both Bush Administrations. A "sham" that included donating the legal maximum to McCain's campaign and being a friend of McCain's for 25 years. :rolleyes:

"Pro-higher taxes"? "Pro quotas on down the line"? Where the fuck are you getting this stuff from?

I'll give you a hint: It rhymes with 'his ass'. *nods*

Yes, because people like Walter Annenberg, Ronald Reagan's close friend and ambassador to Britain, consider his past an irrelevancy. It is Annenberg who chose both Ayers and Obama, along with a lot of Republicans and a few other Democrats, for his across-the-spectrum board. Annenberg's widow remains a major fund-raiser for Republican campaigns, like McCain's, but McCain does not accuse her of "palling around with terrorists".
Where have you been that you do not know what a non-story all this Ayers hokum is?

I See you have been at the Daily Kos.nice talking points,facts is Obama knew what Ayers was,he was a domestic terrorist,the weather underground,and took him as a freind anyway,Ayers is a marxist revoltionary,he will tell you so,funny how the Obama supporters tell you that the past is irrelevant,when they in 2000 tried to use Presient Bush's DWI record 20 years from the time to try to sink Bush.


Hypocracy pure and simple.

I'm getting this silly notion that BrightonBurg is the same face responsible for the other bush leaguers with ambitions of somehow toppling Obama's presidential bid like Miami Shores and Nicea Sancta.

I See you have been at the Daily Kos.nice talking points,facts is Obama knew what Ayers was,he was a domestic terrorist,the weather underground,and took him as a freind anyway,Ayers is a marxist revoltionary,he will tell you so,funny how the Obama supporters tell you that the past is irrelevant,when they in 2000 tried to use Presient Bush's DWI record 20 years from the time to try to sink Bush.


Hypocracy pure and simple.
Except the DWI actually happened to Bush. The domestic terrorism happened to a third party decades before Obama even met said third party. I don't think he is pulling stuff out of his ass, I think his head is up it reading the notecards there.

Brighton strikes me as some one who has no idea who Powell is or his history.


No,I know full who General Powell is,been following him,since the First Gulf War,to the present,see, I have been paying attention to what the man says.

I'm getting this silly notion that BrightonBurg is the same face responsible for the other bush leaguers with ambitions of somehow toppling Obama's presidential bid like Miami Shores and Nicea Sancta.
Let's see if he is as effective as they were.

Watching the US media proves my point,they have been treating Obama with kid gloves from day one, if McCain had a Terry McViegh like person as a house freind, McCain would be toast, Obama hangs out with people who are litterary marxist revolutionaries,and Obama gets a pass.

If McCain was hanging with David Duke,it would be all over,but I can not convence you,if you are on the Obama band waggon, peoples zeal,to see the 1st black president of the US is clouding their judgment,and people are glossing over all the faults of Obama.

And if not wanting Obama as president makes me a racist,then I guess I am guilty,but then I will say fuck you for your false judgment of me

Yes, they totally gave Obama a free pass on Reverand Wright. Its not like they devoted about two solid months of coverage to that. And they absolutely hammered McCain on his religious affiliations, and Palin's. Oh, wait.

Obama doesn't "hang out with" Ayers, if that's who you mean by Marxist Revolutionaries. They are both prominent figures in Chicago Politics. Thus, they end up working together. Its not like the US Government hasn't worked with former terrorists when they had to. And Jesus Christ, more Marxist crap? 50 years later, and we're still dealing with Mcarthyist Red Scare politics.:rolleyes:

And you're not racist because you don't want Obama. You probably are, however, if your response to Powel's endorsement is "he had to support Obama 'cause they're both black." Because all black people are driven only by tribal loyalties, and think as one monolithic block. Right.

I See you have been at the Daily Kos.nice talking points,facts is Obama knew what Ayers was,he was a domestic terrorist,the weather underground,and took him as a freind anyway,Ayers is a marxist revoltionary,he will tell you so,funny how the Obama supporters tell you that the past is irrelevant,when they in 2000 tried to use Presient Bush's DWI record 20 years from the time to try to sink Bush.


Hypocracy pure and simple.

How pathetic.

MR. BROKAW: Let me go back to something that you raised just a moment ago, and that's William Ayers, a former member of the Weathermen who's now active in school issues in Illinois. He had some past association with Barack Obama. Wouldn't it have been more helpful for William Ayers to, on his own, to have renounced his own past? Here was a man who was a part of the most radical group that existed in America at a time when you were serving in Vietnam, targeting the Pentagon, the Capitol. He wrote a book about it that came out on 2001, on September 11th that said, "We didn't bomb enough."

GEN. POWELL: It's despicable, and I have no truck for William Ayers. I think what he did was despicable, and to continue to talk about it in 2001 is also despicable. But to suggest that because Mr. Barack Obama had some contacts of a very casual nature--they sat on a educational board--over time is somehow connected to his thinking or his actions, I think, is a, a terrible stretch. It's demagoguery.

Let's see if he is as effective as they were.

When it's probably the same guy? Of course.

Except the DWI actually happened to Bush. The domestic terrorism happened to a third party decades before Obama even met said third party. I don't think he is pulling stuff out of his ass, I think his head is up it reading the notecards there.


Yeah, yeah, the usual tatic of the Obama hive member,attack the messenger,using the the ol' Obama was 8 years old defence, but the fact remains that Ayers was a domestic terrorist,Ayers has the high status he has in circles he has was because what he did in his past with the Weather Underground.


Obama befreinded him,and the likes of Rev.Wright to aid in his rise to power,plain and simple,that is Chiago poltics it seems,as for where I pull things, LOL its called knowlege,try it some time.

No,I know full who General Powell is,been following him,since the First Gulf War,to the present,see, I have been paying attention to what the man says.

What did commas ever do to you?

(sorry,carry on,it was just bugging me,because it makes it hard to read,thats all)

Except the DWI actually happened to Bush. The domestic terrorism happened to a third party decades before Obama even met said third party. I don't think he is pulling stuff out of his ass, I think his head is up it reading the notecards there.

How pathetic.

MR. BROKAW: Let me go back to something that you raised just a moment ago, and that's William Ayers, a former member of the Weathermen who's now active in school issues in Illinois. He had some past association with Barack Obama. Wouldn't it have been more helpful for William Ayers to, on his own, to have renounced his own past? Here was a man who was a part of the most radical group that existed in America at a time when you were serving in Vietnam, targeting the Pentagon, the Capitol. He wrote a book about it that came out on 2001, on September 11th that said, "We didn't bomb enough."

GEN. POWELL: It's despicable, and I have no truck for William Ayers. I think what he did was despicable, and to continue to talk about it in 2001 is also despicable. But to suggest that because Mr. Barack Obama had some contacts of a very casual nature--they sat on a educational board--over time is somehow connected to his thinking or his actions, I think, is a, a terrible stretch. It's demagoguery.



General Powell is spinning for Obama,Ayers never appoligised for his acts of terrorism,what repect I did have for the man is gone.

Ayers has the high status he has in circles he has was because what he did in his past with the Weather Underground.

You actually believe that Ronald Reagan's close friends regard Ayers highly because of what he did in the Weather Underground? You think that nothing whatsoever has happened in the past 40 years?

What did commas ever do to you?

(sorry,carry on,it was just bugging me,because it makes it hard to read,thats all)

Commas are your freind.. :D

Yeah, yeah, the usual tatic of the Obama hive member,attack the messenger,using the the ol' Obama was 8 years old defence, but the fact remains that Ayers was a domestic terrorist,Ayers has the high status he has in circles he has was because what he did in his past with the Weather Underground.

Obama befreinded him,and the likes of Rev.Wright to aid in his rise to power,plain and simple,that is Chiago poltics it seems,as for where I pull things, LOL its called knowlege,try it some time.

1. Perhaps you can source the "things" you've said about Powell regarding taxes and quotas.

2. Ayers is a friend of Republicans because he was in the Weather Underground? :confused: link (http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/3027)

Commas are your freind.. :D

Not if used incorrectly. Such as using them instead of periods.

What did commas ever do to you?

(sorry,carry on,it was just bugging me,because it makes it hard to read,thats all)

He's commatose. ;)

No,I know full who General Powell is,been following him,since the First Gulf War,to the present,see, I have been paying attention to what the man says.

Then cite your sources like I asked you to.

General Powell is spinning for Obama,Ayers never appoligised for his acts of terrorism,what repect I did have for the man is gone.

Let's see: whose Vietnam-era crimes are worse and/or who killed more people -- William Ayers or Henry Kissinger?

Also, I find it amusing that the majority of blacks in the U.S. are democrats, but it was the Democrats who tried to keep them as slaves back in the 1860's...:tongue:

Take a look at the repub core. If you're nonwhite, nonchristian, or have an iq above room temp, those morons hate you.

You actually believe that Ronald Reagan's close friends regard Ayers highly because of what he did in the Weather Underground? You think that nothing whatsoever has happened in the past 40 years?



Stop smoking crack, and stop reading the Kos, Ayers never recanted his past,and fact gloats over it, Ayers should be in prison,but Ayers now has a 50/50 chance of getting a person he groomed into the highest office in the land.

Good poltical move for Ayers if you ask me.

Watch the entire thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NMZv6Vfh8). The part about the Muslim soldier almost brought tears to my eyes; finally, finally, someone shows the dignity and respect to say that they are our brothers and do not deserve to be demagogued.

I've looked at Powell in the last 5 years mostly with sadness and pity, but this does a great deal to restore my sense of dignity about the man. He deserves to be saluted for this.

He's commatose. ;)

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Stop smoking crack, and stop reading the Kos
I have never done either. Stop being an ignorant troll.
Ayers never recanted his past,and fact gloats over it
Not really. He has said he regrets the bombing; but he does wish he had "done more" to stop the Vietnam war (McCain's "he says he wishes he had bombed more" is simply a lie). I still regard the Vietnam war as a great evil, and Henry Kissinger, responsible for more bombings and killings than Ayers could ever have dreamed of, as a criminal who belongs in jail-- but that is all leftover emotionalism from the 60's. Ayers may still be hung up on it, and so is McCain on the other side, but Obama has never been involved in all that crap, because he was just a kid at the time.
Ayers should be in prison
The legal system determined otherwise.
but Ayers now has a 50/50 chance of getting a person he groomed into the highest office in the land.
Now Ayers "groomed" Obama??? He did hold a fundraiser in his house, for Obama's state senate race. That was a very long time ago. Ayers has had nothing whatsoever to do with any of Obama's campaigns since. I voted for McCain once, back in 2000: does that make McCain responsible for all of my nutty views?

Stop smoking crack, and stop reading the Kos, Ayers never recanted his past,and fact gloats over it, Ayers should be in prison,but Ayers now has a 50/50 chance of getting a person he groomed into the highest office in the land.

Good poltical move for Ayers if you ask me.

Wait, now he groomed him? Man, by Nov. 1st I expect the McCain crowd to be saying, "Ayers was the midwife at Obama's birth!"

Stop smoking crack, and stop reading the Kos, Ayers never recanted his past,and fact gloats over it, Ayers should be in prison,but Ayers now has a 50/50 chance of getting a person he groomed into the highest office in the land.

Good poltical move for Ayers if you ask me.

'groomed'?

I'd like to point out that every single member of Congress has had as much a relationship with Larry Craig as Obama had with AYers. Maybe more so. Did he groom them all to seek relations with anonymous men in airport bathrooms? Hmm?

Stop smoking crack, and stop reading the Kos, Ayers never recanted his past,and fact gloats over it, Ayers should be in prison,but Ayers now has a 50/50 chance of getting a person he groomed into the highest office in the land.

Good poltical move for Ayers if you ask me.

1. Although I don't like Wiki as a source, you mischaracterize Ayers:

Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[20] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again," as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[15] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[21]

In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[22] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[22][23]

The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "[15] "We weren't terrorists," Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. "The reason we weren't terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."[3]

In a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune, Ayers wrote, "I condemn all forms of terrorism — individual, group and official". He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."[24]

Ayers was asked in a January 2004 interview, "How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?" He replied:[25] "I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable." On September 9, 2008, journalist Jake Tapper reported on the comic strip in Bill Ayers's blog explaining the soundbite: "The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough shit."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"[26][27]


2. Ayers did not "groom" Obama. That is simply a lie.

3. Obama has strongly condemned the actions of the Weather Underground.

4. Just curious, for what should Ayers be in prison and why?

Hahahaha! Powell saw which way the wind was blowing and switched sides.

While I think the Weather Underground Organization's version of armed struggle was incredibly stupid, chiefly due to its essentially delusional tactical framework, I find it the profoundest hypocrisy that a conservative right that cheered on Nixon, Reagan, and Bush has the audacity to attack others for their willingness to use violence to achieve their ends.

Stop smoking crack, and stop reading the Kos, Ayers never recanted his past,and fact gloats over it, Ayers should be in prison,but Ayers now has a 50/50 chance of getting a person he groomed into the highest office in the land.

Good poltical move for Ayers if you ask me.

Prove this.

Hahahaha! Powell saw which way the wind was blowing and switched sides.

Powell got tired of the incompetence he saw all around him when he was part of that Bush administration, and the same people are running Mcain's campaign.

Wait, now he groomed him? Man, by Nov. 1st I expect the McCain crowd to be saying, "Ayers was the midwife at Obama's birth!"
Darth Ayers is Barack's father. *nods*

Powell got tired of the incompetence he saw all around him when he was part of that Bush administration, and the same people are running Mcain's campaign.
No doubt, but it took him long enough to figure it out, didn't it?

Every time that nut Palin comes on the tv I want to jump in and strangle the crazy biatch.

Every time that nut Palin comes on the tv I want to jump in and strangle the crazy biatch.

While I don't want Palin in charge of anything, really, this is not a healthy reaction.

Every time that nut Palin comes on the tv I want to jump in and strangle the crazy biatch.
Must we lower ourselves to the level of the "Kill him" crowd?

While I don't want Palin in charge of anything, really, this is not a healthy reaction.

Is it okay just to want to yell, "SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!" at her?

Here's a fun fact: Guess how many people the Weather Underground killed(not including it's own members in a bomb-making incident or two)?

Zero.

There was one bombing in San Francisco that killed a police officer that the Weather Underground was one of the suspects for. The case was never solved.

Then cite your sources like I asked you to.



Oddly enough, instead of doing your own home work on the man,its right here plain as day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell

I will clip the part that proves my case:

Political views
A moderate Republican, Powell is well known for his willingness to support liberal or centrist causes.[32] He is pro-choice regarding abortion, and in favor of "reasonable" gun control.[32] He stated in his autobiography that he supports affirmative action that levels the playing field, without giving a leg up to undeserving person because of racial issues. Powell was also instrumental in the implementation of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.[32


Powell's poltical left is center left.he is not a conserative in any way shape or form

Here's a fun fact: Guess how many people the Weather Underground killed(not including it's own members in a bomb-making incident or two)?

Zero.

There was one bombing in San Francisco that killed a police officer that the Weather Underground was one of the suspects for. The case was never solved.

You and your "facts" clearly hate freedom!!!

Is it okay just to want to yell, "SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!" at her?

This is a natural reaction.

Powell's poltical left is center left.he is not a conserative in any way shape or formNo he's not. He's a bit further left than right, but that still doesn't make him left of center, or center for that matter.

Oddly enough, instead of doing your own home work on the man,its right here plain as day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell

I will clip the part that proves my case:

Political views
A moderate Republican, Powell is well known for his willingness to support liberal or centrist causes.[32] He is pro-choice regarding abortion, and in favor of "reasonable" gun control.[32] He stated in his autobiography that he supports affirmative action that levels the playing field, without giving a leg up to undeserving person because of racial issues. Powell was also instrumental in the implementation of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.[32


Powell's poltical left is center left.he is not a conserative in any way shape or formWait so he's willing to reach across the aisle? Where have we heard that before? Oh right, from Senators McCain and Obama. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing or what your point is at all anymore. Your own source calls Powell a moderate Republican.

Here's a fun fact: Guess how many people the Weather Underground killed(not including it's own members in a bomb-making incident or two)?

Zero.

There was one bombing in San Francisco that killed a police officer that the Weather Underground was one of the suspects for. The case was never solved.
Is that true? I thought they managed to kill a couple of their own members when they accidentally blew up one of their own apartments in NYC.

This might get merged into the Election thread, and it probably should, but I was just watching This Week with David Stephanopolous and it was announced there that former Secretary of State and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell, has come out in favor of Barack Obama.

The panelists on the show seemed to think that this will defend against the attacks on Obama's readiness to be Commander-in-Chief. What says NSG -- what impact, if any, will this have on the race?
you maynot have noticed this but americans vote for the man (or woman) that they LIKE. once they decide who they like, the look for (rational) reasons why they are going to vote for him.

(ya ya there are some few like the policy nutz here on nsg who would never vote for a man they liked if they hated his politics but we are in the minority)

so at this point the only people it will influence are those who LIKE obama but have had a hard time coming up with reasons why they should vote for a man they like whose politics they arent sure of. probably people who are surrounded with family, friends and coworkers who are die hard republicans who have been harping on obama's lack of experience. now they can say "if he's good enough for colin powell he's good enough for me"

Is that true? I thought they managed to kill a couple of their own members when they accidentally blew up one of their own apartments in NYC.Um...

Here's a fun fact: Guess how many people the Weather Underground killed(not including it's own members in a bomb-making incident or two)?

Is it okay just to want to yell, "SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!" at her?
I hope so, because it's what I yell every time she opens her mouth.

That and some other words.

Um...

Oh, hehe. Never mind.

Is it okay just to want to yell, "SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!" at her?
No, you actually have to do it.

You and your "facts" clearly hate freedom!!!

I don't hate freedom. We just don't hang out in the same places anymore. :(

Oddly enough, instead of doing your own home work on the man,its right here plain as day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell

I will clip the part that proves my case:

Political views
A moderate Republican, Powell is well known for his willingness to support liberal or centrist causes.[32] He is pro-choice regarding abortion, and in favor of "reasonable" gun control.[32] He stated in his autobiography that he supports affirmative action that levels the playing field, without giving a leg up to undeserving person because of racial issues. Powell was also instrumental in the implementation of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.[32


Powell's poltical left is center left.he is not a conserative in any way shape or form

Um. A couple of sentences in Wikipedia are far from conclusive. All those points rest on this Profile from On the Issues (http://www.ontheissues.org/Colin_Powell.htm). Take a look at that full record and tell me Powell is left-wing. Note how you are wrong concerning his views on quotas and taxes.

But, let's assume someone with Powell's history and record has come to believe in liberal ideals. That seems like a bonus for Democrats. :wink:

Commas are your freind.. :D
so are spaces after punctuation marks.

(ya ya who am i to talk? but still its hard to read.)

Here's a fun fact: Guess how many people the Weather Underground killed(not including it's own members in a bomb-making incident or two)?

Zero.

There was one bombing in San Francisco that killed a police officer that the Weather Underground was one of the suspects for. The case was never solved.


Wrong,a weather underground spinter group killed:


http://www.odmp.org/officer/11906-patrolman-walter-a.-schroeder

In a botched bank job, basicaly these guys where the white version of the Black Panthers,but no...dont like facts get in the way of your support of thr chozen one, his lordship the shining light the Obama!!

PRASE BE TO THE OBAMA!!! HE WILL CURE THE BLIND!!!


Moonbats

Is that true? I thought they managed to kill a couple of their own members when they accidentally blew up one of their own apartments in NYC.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/exploding-head.gif

Oddly enough, instead of doing your own home work on the man,its right here plain as day

It's not my job to do your homework.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell

I will clip the part that proves my case:

Political views
A moderate Republican, Powell is well known for his willingness to support liberal or centrist causes.[32] He is pro-choice regarding abortion, and in favor of "reasonable" gun control.[32] He stated in his autobiography that he supports affirmative action that levels the playing field, without giving a leg up to undeserving person because of racial issues. Powell was also instrumental in the implementation of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.[32


Powell's poltical left is center left.he is not a conserative in any way shape or form

He's a moderate Republican, not a liberal one. He's center at best. It's more likely that he's center-right. So what exactly did you prove? Also, Don't Ask Don't Tell isn't a particularly liberal policy.

Wrong,a weather underground spinter group killed:


http://www.odmp.org/officer/11906-patrolman-walter-a.-schroeder

In a botched bank job, basicaly these guys where the white version of the Black Panthers,but no...dont like facts get in the way of your support of thr chozen one, his lordship the shining light the Obama!!

PRASE BE TO THE OBAMA!!! HE WILL CURE THE BLIND!!!


MoonbatsThat connects to Obama how again? Did he personally order the bank job?

Um. A couple of sentences in Wikipedia are far from conclusive. All those points rest on this Profile from On the Issues (http://www.ontheissues.org/Colin_Powell.htm). Take a look at that full record and tell me Powell is left-wing. Note how you are wrong concerning his views on quotas and taxes.

But, let's assume someone with Powell's history and record has come to believe in liberal ideals. That seems like a bonus for Democrats. :wink:



'Ive been there,he has supported affirmative action from his own mouth,that site judges him as a moderate,moderates always tend to break to the left.

Wrong,a weather underground spinter group killed:


http://www.odmp.org/officer/11906-patrolman-walter-a.-schroeder

In a botched bank job, basicaly these guys where the white version of the Black Panthers,but no...dont like facts get in the way of your support of thr chozen one, his lordship the shining light the Obama!!

PRASE BE TO THE OBAMA!!! HE WILL CURE THE BLIND!!!


Moonbats
is ayers (and thus obama) responsible for every lawless act done by any anti-vietnam-war group?

'Ive been there,he has supported affirmative action from his own mouth,that site judges him as a moderate,moderates always tend to break to the left.

Moderates break to the center, actually.

Moderates break to the center, actually.You mean they always tend to break to the center, sometimes.

That connects to Obama how again? Did he personally order the bank job?


That link was for the gentleman that said the Weather Underground harmed noone,clearly it has,as for Obama it is this clearly,do you really think that Obama did not know a thing about Ayers past? funny Obama does not remember much so close to the election.


Just like the anit-semite anti american church he went to fore 20 years,sorry I aint buying, I dont buy the hype,and will not vote for him.

Wrong,a weather underground spinter group killed:


http://www.odmp.org/officer/11906-patrolman-walter-a.-schroeder

In a botched bank job, basicaly these guys where the white version of the Black Panthers,but no...dont like facts get in the way of your support of thr chozen one, his lordship the shining light the Obama!!

PRASE BE TO THE OBAMA!!! HE WILL CURE THE BLIND!!!


Moonbats

On the subject of blindness, I must be missing the part that connects this to Weather Underground or splinter groups thereof.

Moderates break to the center, actually.



Looks like Powell has far more in common with the Democrats,and he is clearly no conservative

That link was for the gentleman that said the Weather Underground harmed noone,clearly it has,as for Obama it is this clearly,do you really think that Obama did not know a thing about Ayers past? funny Obama does not remember much so close to the election.


Just like the anit-semite anti american church he went to fore 20 years,sorry I aint buying, I dont buy the hype,and will not vote for him.

I won't vote for him either, but you're still full of crap. :)

On the subject of blindness, I must be missing the part that connects this to Weather Underground or splinter groups thereof.


The policeman in question was killed by such a spinter group,in a failed bank robbery.

Looks like Powell has far more in common with the Democrats,and he is clearly no conservative

He's clearly no liberal either. Golly gee, what a bind that puts us in.

Maybe people are more complicated than labels? Naaaaahhh.

That connects to Obama how again? Did he personally order the bank job?Connecting it to Obama? He didn't even get it connected to Ayers!

I won't vote for him either, but you're still full of crap. :)


Right back at you Clyde,lol

The policeman in question was killed by such a spinter group,in a failed bank robbery.

Prove it.

That link was for the gentleman that said the Weather Underground harmed noone,clearly it has,as for Obama it is this clearly,do you really think that Obama did not know a thing about Ayers past? funny Obama does not remember much so close to the election.


Just like the anit-semite anti american church he went to fore 20 years,sorry I aint buying, I dont buy the hype,and will not vote for him.

You may not buy one type of hype, but you sure are buying another quite willingly.

Also, learn to comma!

Looks like Powell has far more in common with the Democrats,and he is clearly no conservativeProve the democrats have no conservatives in their ranks please.

He's clearly no liberal either. Golly gee, what a bind that puts us in.

Maybe people are more complicated than labels? Naaaaahhh.


Yeah compaired to Cindy Sheehan,hes a Moderate,but for conseratives which I am proudly am, Powell leaves much to be desired,besides I like labels, easier to shop. LOL

Prove the democrats have no conservatives in their ranks please.


The Democrat party for all pratices expelled Sen.Joe Liberman from the Democrat party,when they tried to unseat him in 2006,and Zell Miller retired,as for the national leadership of thr Democrat party from Nancy Pelosi,and Harry Reid,to Howard Dean,the leadership left,they remind me of the Social Democrat parties in the EU nations.

Yeah compaired to Cindy Sheehan,hes a Moderate,but for conseratives which I am proudly am, Powell leaves much to be desired,besides I like labels, easier to shop. LOL

I love how you clearly reject the judgment of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush as to whether Colin Powell is a Republican and/or can be trusted. If only there were some "true conservatives" in this world! :wink:

Prove it.



Read the link,then look on your own,I am not a liberal nanny state,find your own shit

The Democrat party for all pratices expelled Sen.Joe Liberman from the Democrat party,when they tried to unseat him in 2006,and Zell Miller retired,as for the national leadership of thr Democrat party from Nancy Pelosi,and Harry Reid,to Howard Dean,the leadership left,they remind me of the Social Democrat parties in the EU nations.That's just about the stupidest thing I've heard all day, particularly since the Dems are further right than European conservative parties most of the time.

I love how you clearly reject the judgment of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush as to whether Colin Powell is a Republican and/or can be trusted. If only there were some "true conservatives" in this world! :wink:

Reagan was too liberal, if you ask me.

Read the link,then look on your own,I am not a liberal nanny state,find your own shit

Why the hell should he have to find proof for your claims? That isn't how it works. You make a statement, you back it up.

Read the link,then look on your own,I am not a liberal nanny state,find your own shitMaybe you should read the link. It says nothing about the people that did it other than that they were "a gang of anti-Vietnam War activists," which isn't very specific.

I love how you clearly reject the judgment of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush as to whether Colin Powell is a Republican and/or can be trusted. If only there were some "true conservatives" in this world! :wink:


Everyone makes mistakes...lol, cant ask Reagan about it,and the two Bush's President were not conservatives either.they were "moderates "

Read the link,then look on your own,I am not a liberal nanny state,find your own shit

First of all, I did. I couldn't find it. I also can't find a purple gazelle. Because they don't exist.

But I didn't even have to because it's YOUR assertion not mine.

Everyone makes mistakes...lol, cant ask Reagan about it,and the two Bush's President were not conservatives either.they were "moderates "Prove it. Use a relevant scale when doing so.

Maybe you should read the link. It says nothing about the people that did it other than that they were "a gang of anti-Vietnam War activists," which isn't very specific.


Which was that the Weather Underground was,remember with the media in full spin mode,I went to a fallen officer site.

Which was that the Weather Underground was,remember with the media in full spin mode,I went to a fallen officer site.

Ah, I get it. That means that the US Army is a splinter group of Al Qaeda because they both blew up schools.

Prove it. Use a relevant scale when doing so.


Prove what? what they both were not conseratives? Presient George W. Bush incresed social spending with putting drugs on medicare,hardly a small govt, conservative thing,and his father raised taxes,but both were still better than what the Democrats were trying to foist on the nation.

Which was that the Weather Underground was,remember with the media in full spin mode,I went to a fallen officer site.There were plenty more anti-Vietnam War activists than just Weather Underground. What this basically means is that your source in no way proves that it was the specific anti-Vietnam War activists we're talking about.

Ah, I get it. That means that the US Army is a splinter group of Al Qaeda because they both blew up schools.


You are a stupid mother fucker if you think that terriorism, and collateral damage in war are the same thing, The truth is, the Weather Underground,is a story not being told by the meanstream media,because they are all in the tank for Obama.


To link the US army,to Al Qaeda shows me where your mindset is,be sure to vote Obama,along with William Ayers,,nice bed fellows eh... lol

Wrong,a weather underground spinter group killed:


http://www.odmp.org/officer/11906-patrolman-walter-a.-schroeder

In a botched bank job, basicaly these guys where the white version of the Black Panthers,but no...dont like facts get in the way of your support of thr chozen one, his lordship the shining light the Obama!!

PRASE BE TO THE OBAMA!!! HE WILL CURE THE BLIND!!!


Moonbats

From your link:

The trigger man was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole, but has been denied parole each time. The other gang members were all sentenced to prison but are now mostly freed.


Got any evidence that William Ayers had anything to do with this?

Prove what? what they both were not conseratives? Yup.
Presient George W. Bush incresed social spending with putting drugs on medicare,hardly a small govt, conservative thing,and his father raised taxes,but both were still better than what the Democrats were trying to foist on the nation.Try harder. You need to show what makes someone conservative and why the Bushes failed to meet those qualifications. And that does not cut it.

Had fun with you moonbats.RL calls.

Vote McCain/Pain

LOL

Ah, I get it. That means that the US Army is a splinter group of Al Qaeda because they both blew up schools.

'Xactly.

You are a stupid mother fucker if you think that terriorism, and collateral damage in war are the same thing, The truth is, the Weather Underground,is a story not being told by the meanstream media,because they are all in the tank for Obama.

I suggest you stop posting for a few minutes and take a few deep breaths. There's no need to go using such coarse language, ya fucker. ;)

To link the US army,to Al Qaeda shows me where your mindset is,be sure to vote Obama,along with William Ayers,,nice bed fellows eh... lol

He's not actually linking them. He's trying to point out the flaws in trying to link them. He's using the silliness of that to point out the silliness of your argument.

Had fun with you moonbats.RL calls.

Vote McCain/Pain

LOL
Quoted For Truth! =D

Had fun with you moonbats.RL calls.

Vote McCain/Pain

LOL

:D Sometimes the truth slips out, even when they don't want it to.

You are a stupid mother fucker if you think that terriorism, and collateral damage in war are the same thing,..
And there's the slip. Off you go now, enjoy your Sunday school.

Yup.
Try harder. You need to show what makes someone conservative and why the Bushes failed to meet those qualifications. And that does not cut it.


Thats your opinion,thats enough for me,real conseratives are pro-life,cut taxes,support a robost foriegn policy,and support the Bill of Rights.

Besides just noticed you are from Germany in stilll in pergitory for for forefathere for voting for Hitler IMHO so you dont get to bust my balls over me judgement on who is what in the Conservative movement.

:D Sometimes the truth slips out, even when they don't want it to.


Forgot the L sue me,having too much fun with the Obama drones

And there's the slip. Off you go now, enjoy your Sunday school.


Hey,I take harsh tones with those upbraid the US armed forces

Thats your opinion,thats enough for me,real conseratives are pro-life,cut taxes,support a robost foriegn policy,and support the Bill of Rights.And yet, you've continously failed to prove this.
Besides just noticed you are from Germany in stilll in pergitory for for forefathere for voting for Hitler IMHO so you dont get to bust my balls over me judgement on who is what in the Conservative movement.That desperate?

Hey,I take harsh tones with those upbraid the US armed forces

Which LG didn't do. He merely pointed out how absurd your logic was by applying it to the US armed forces.

Forgot the L sue me,having too much fun with the Obama drones
I don't think the L is going to sue you.

Forgot the L sue me,having too much fun with the Obama dronesI'm a Naderbot.

Hey,I take harsh tones with those upbraid the US armed forcesHilarious, seeing as LG was A) being satirical, and B) a navy veteran you owe your dear freedom to.

Hilarious, seeing as LG was A) being satirical, and B) a navy veteran you owe your dear freedom to.

He isn't being a loyal veteran though, so it doesn't count.

You are a stupid mother fucker if you think that terriorism, and collateral damage in war are the same thing, The truth is, the Weather Underground,is a story not being told by the meanstream media,because they are all in the tank for Obama.


To link the US army,to Al Qaeda shows me where your mindset is,be sure to vote Obama,along with William Ayers,,nice bed fellows eh... lol

Ahhh! Now we're getting somewhere! See, first(after the flame) you attempt to deflect from the point and shift tracks, that there is still no connection between the police officer killed in that bank robbery by anti-war activists turned thieves and Weather Underground. Then you rail against the press who must have the most well-trained psychics in existence to sanitize 38 years of news to prepare for the arrival of The One. And you follow it up by trying to pigeonhole me as a leftist and Obama supporter when I already stated quite clearly that I am NOT voting for Barack Obama.

It won't work. Let's get back to the subject: Please show some proof that the killers of that policeman were members of a splinter group of the Weather Underground as you have claimed. I will give you a fresh baked muffin if you can.

He isn't being a loyal veteran though, so it doesn't count.

I still swear like a sailor, does that count? :D

Thats your opinion,thats enough for me,real conseratives are pro-life,cut taxes,support a robost foriegn policy,and support the Bill of Rights.

Why do Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II fail by this criteria? All were pro-life. Reagan and Bush II cut taxes. All support a "robust" foreign policy. I'd agree that none of them supported the Bill of Rights, but I doubt you'd agree with me on why I think that.

And "pro-life" and "support the Bill of Rights" don't quite fit together, which is the problem with being anti-choice.

Who fits this model of conservatism? Barry Goldwater wouldn't. Apparently the last several Republican Presidents don't. Who does?

Regardless, other than not being pro-life, how does Powell fail to live up to this standard of conservatism?

Forgot the L sue me,having too much fun with the Obama drones

Looks like you've been having fun with misplaced commas too.

Why do Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II fail by this criteria? All were pro-life. Reagan and Bush II cut taxes. All support a "robust" foreign policy. I'd agree that none of them supported the Bill of Rights, but I doubt you'd agree with me on why I think that.

And "pro-life" and "support the Bill of Rights" don't quite fit together, which is the problem with being anti-choice.

Who fits this model of conservatism? Barry Goldwater wouldn't. Apparently the last several Republican Presidents don't. Who does?

Regardless, other than not being pro-life, how does Powell fail to live up to this standard of conservatism?I'm still wondering what makes that the definiton of conservatism. All I see so far is a No True Scotsman fallacy designed to disassociate Colin Powell with conservatism.

And here I was thinking that people like BrightonBurg were extinct by now. I should have known better, of course. Troglodytes are stubborn.

Forgot the L sue me,having too much fun with the Obama drones

Had fun with you moonbats.RL calls.

Vote McCain/Pain

LOL

And here I was thinking that people like BrightonBurg were extinct by now. I should have known better, of course. Troglodytes are stubborn.

You've both been around since 2003, and you still don't get it? BrightonBurg, quit trolling. The generalised flaming isn't a smart move, either. Cut it out.

Hurdegaryp and anyone else of a similar mind, don't feed the troll.

is ayers (and thus obama) responsible for every lawless act done by any anti-vietnam-war group?

Well, of course. Don't you understand how guilt by association works?

Well, of course. Don't you understand how guilt by association works?

Just remember kids, never speak to anyone without doing a complete background check if you ever intend to run for public office.

Just remember kids, never speak to anyone without doing a complete background check if you ever intend to run for public office.

In fact, it would be best to just avoid all human contact whatsoever.

Oddly enough, instead of doing your own home work on the man,its right here plain as day <snip>

Assuming no one has done so already I refer you here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14113502&postcount=1). Sourcing your lunacy is not "doing someones homework for them", it's your bloody responsibility.

In fact, it would be best to just avoid all human contact whatsoever.

But how will you ever develop the people skills that you need if you want to become a bad enough dude to be the president? Or bad enough dudette, that is.

But how will you ever develop the people skills that you need if you want to become a bad enough dude to be the president? Or bad enough dudette, that is.

Television. All you really need to know about dealing with people you can learn from reruns of 'Sanford and Son'. *nod*

Wouldn't 'The Dukes of Hazzard' be a better source of information?

First of all, I did. I couldn't find it. I also can't find a purple gazelle. Because they don't exist.

Do too!

http://www.kicksaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/adidas-gazelle-one-piece-ibiza.jpg

See?

(The shoe is apparently from an Adidas line called the "Gazelle")

Which was that the Weather Underground was,remember with the media in full spin mode,I went to a fallen officer site.

The Weather Underground were all Anti-Vietnam war activists, but not all Anti-Vietnam war activists were part of the Weather underground . . .

Your fail, it is epic.

But how will you ever develop the people skills that you need if you want to become a bad enough dude to be the president? Or bad enough dudette, that is.

If President Ronnie Raygun is ever kidnapped by ninjas, social skills aren't required. Just the ability to kick ninja ass.

Wouldn't 'The Dukes of Hazzard' be a better source of information?

The Dukes of hazard pictures authority in a negative light and encourages lawlessness. *nod*

The Dukes of hazard pictures authority in a negative light and encourages lawlessness. *nod*

Just'a good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm.
Beats all you never saw
Been in trouble with the law
Since the day they was born

Staightnin' the curves
Flatnin the hills
Someday the mountain might get 'em
But the law never will

Makin' their way
The only way they know how
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow.

In fact, it would be best to just avoid all human contact whatsoever.

Oh, that's easy to spin:

Candidate X refuses to associate with orphans of veterans. (Or any other such automatic sympathy demographic) Why does he hate the troops?

In a botched bank job,

There were many militant student groups coming out of the radical end of the anti-war movement. The WUO was just one--there was also, for instance, the Symbionese Liberation Army, which kidnapped Patty Hearst. They are not all synonymous. Your line of argument here amounts to guilt by association.

As far as I can tell from some cursory Googling, there is no connection between the people who carried out that robbery and the Weather Underground. You may be confusing the case with the Brinks Robbery in 1981, which did involve some former Weather Underground members... but they were involved with aiding the Black Liberation Army then, and were not affiliated with the rest of the organization, many of whom had gone aboveground and had all charges against them dropped, thanks to illegal FBI tactics used in chasing them.

(The people involved in the Brinks Robbery, by the way, were arrested and imprisoned, and several of them are still in jail. They are a different category entirely from people like Bill Ayers and Mark Rudd, who may not have relinquished their radicalism but who still have, since coming aboveground, led lives as productive citizens within the confines of the law.)

basicaly these guys where the white version of the Black Panthers,

They would have been delighted by the comparison, but, unfortunately, they were not. The Black Panther Party's political tactics were not confined to the realm of fantasy, and it actually accomplished some substantive things.

but no...dont like facts get in the way of your support of thr chozen one

None of this has the slightest to do with Obama, except through the most tenuous connections propagated by people more interested in distortion and smearing than intellectual honesty.

The following is from a partial transcript of the Oct. 19, 2008, edition of "FOX News Sunday With Chris Wallace" (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440632,00.html):

WALLACE: And we're back now on the campaign trail in the battleground state of Ohio with our exclusive guest, Senator John McCain.

Senator, on another Sunday talk show, General Colin Powell has just said that he's going to vote for Barack Obama. He says he meets the standard of being a successful president.

He says that Senator McCain is unsure about how to deal with the economy, and he does not feel that Sarah Palin is ready to be commander in chief. Your reaction?

MCCAIN: Well, I've always admired and respected General Powell. We're longtime friends. This doesn't come as a surprise.

But I'm also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, Secretaries Kissinger, Baker, Eagleburger and Haig. And I'm proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired Army generals and admirals.

But I respect and continue to respect and admire Secretary Powell.

WALLACE: Just briefly, though, one of the key lines of your campaign has been that Obama's not ready to lead. Here is Colin Powell saying he is.

MCCAIN: Well, again, we have a very — we have a respectful disagreement, and I think the American people will pay close attention to our message for the future and keeping America secure.

Even McCain can't bring himself to smear Powell. I guess that means surrogates will have to do it. :p

Which was that the Weather Underground was,

They were a tiny, infinitesimal minority of anti-war activists--more extreme than most, but less extreme than some.

remember with the media in full spin mode,

Look, people really don't give a shit about Bill Ayers. Maybe you and some other McCain stalwarts want to make a big deal about what everyone who looks at the matter impartially recognizes as an insignificance, but the people the media tries to appeal to are not moved by it, and will not be. If you want the media to serve your agenda, you have to come up with a message that actually sticks.

Even McCain can't bring himself to smear Powell. I guess that means surrogates will have to do it. :p

He'll have Palin do it.

As a fellow African American it makes sense for Colin Powell to endorse Sen Barack Obama for President. Notice how late in the race Colin Powell has waited to endorse Obama. Sensing a win by Obama as I think he will. Colin Powell endorsed Obama despite being a good personal friend of Sen John McCain. Perhaps Colin Powell wants his old job as Secretary of State back. But it might be to late as I think the job has been promised to New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson.

I think the Liberal leftist Christopher Dodd would be Obam's choice for Secretary of Defense if not Secretary of State. The only problem with appointing Dodd to a possible Obama cabinet would be Connecticut has a Republican Governor. Governor Mary Jodi Rell who could appoint a Republican Senator to the seat.

Neither Colin Powell, Bill Richardson, nor Christopher Dodd passes my Cuba Issue litmus test. I know, I know, I am the only one that cares, so who cares.

He'll have Palin do it.

Doomed to fail. Most people like Powell a lot better than they like Palin. :D

As a fellow African American it makes sense for Colin Powell to endorse Sen Barack Obama for President.

What exactly "makes sense" about it?

As a fellow African American it makes sense for Colin Powell to endorse Sen Barack Obama for President.

Because of the black hive-mind? Or is there some other reason it "makes sense"?

Neither Colin Powell, Bill Richardson, nor Christopher Dodd passes my Cuba Issue litmus test. I know, I know, I am the only one that cares, so who cares.

Please explain this litmus test. (I'm sure you've explained it before, but I haven't caught it.)

Because of the black hive-mind? Or is there some other reason it "makes sense"?

It's that old Chain Gang Thing apparently. :rolleyes:

Please explain this litmus test. (I'm sure you've explained it before, but I haven't caught it.)

Basically it's all about whether or not they wanted to keep Little Elian Gonzalez in Miami or if they traitorously put him back with his father in Castroland. That's the only issue Miami Shores ever judges all candidates by, the way many Fundies only voted based on someone's views on gay rights, marriage and abortion.

Even McCain can't bring himself to smear Powell. I guess that means surrogates will have to do it. :p

Not surprised...smearing Powell would be political suicide. Hell, even if his surrogates smear him, he would probably suffer severe backlash from it.

But I especially like how when he was asked about his reaction, he said he admired Powell...and then went off on a tangent about the people who support him. Heh. Powell is untouchable.

Basically it's all about whether or not they wanted to keep Little Elian Gonzalez in Miami or if they traitorously put him back with his father in Castroland. That's the only issue Miami Shores ever judges all candidates by, the way many Fundies only voted based on someone's views on gay rights, marriage and abortion.

Ah, that evil "returing a child to his parent" family values and obeying the laws of the land thing. :eek: Gotcha.

But I don't recall Colin Powell taking a position regarding Elian.