The Debate Thread
OK all, in order to keep the forum from being spammed in 5 different threads about the debate in, now, just over half an hour, I'm creating this thread so we can keep live commentary going as the debate progresses. So I think we can keep the clutter down by keeping all debate related comments (who said what and when, was it good? was it bad? who won? who lost?) to here.
Hydesland
27-09-2008, 01:26
Damn it I really want to listen to the debate but I need to got bed since I'm getting up early tomorrow! How long will it last?
Lunatic Goofballs
27-09-2008, 01:27
I don't agree with this being a debate thread. I think this ought to be a cake thread.
Moon Knight
27-09-2008, 01:28
This debate should be good, hopefull the mudslinging and fingerpointing is kept at a min. But it's also sad as I don't really like any of them.
Moon Knight
27-09-2008, 01:29
I don't agree with this being a debate thread. I think this ought to be a cake thread.
I'm offended by that! You discriminate against pies! PIES!
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 01:29
I recommend C-SPAN for those allergic to talking heads. That's where I'll be. :tongue:
Sirmomo1
27-09-2008, 01:31
I don't agree with this being a debate thread. I think this ought to be a cake thread.
Debake thread if you will.
Lunatic Goofballs
27-09-2008, 01:31
I'm offended by that! You discriminate against pies! PIES!
Do you know who you're talking to? I have pie in my blood. Literally. I just thought that for fairness sake, I ought to give cake a little air time.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 01:38
I think it would be beneficial for this thread to be stickied temporarily, lest it fall down two or three spots and people assume there isn't a debate thread yet.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 01:38
Damn it I really want to listen to the debate but I need to got bed since I'm getting up early tomorrow! How long will it last?
90 minutes.
Desperate Measures
27-09-2008, 01:39
Anyway to watch online?
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 01:45
Anyway to watch online?
Looks like CNN and CBS are streaming it. FOX and NBC's websites confuse me too much to tell whether they are or not.
edit: I'm watching the pregame show on CNN.com. The streaming video applet has a volume slider, but it seems the only settings the sound has are loud, loud, and off. :(
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 01:53
Curse you! I hosted the debate threads in 2004 and was kind of looking forward to doing it again this time around, but noooooooo, you had to beat me to it while I made pasta...
This was actually pretty fun in 2004, I've been kinda looking forward to it.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 01:55
The spin is already well under way on Fox - they're prepping the audience with reassurances about how McCain motivated House Republicans to jump onboard with 'the deal' (which, as far as I am aware... hasn't been actually dealt yet...).
Awesome. I know what the message MEANS before it's even been said. Fox rules.
OK all, in order to keep the forum from being spammed in 5 different threads about the debate in, now, just over half an hour, I'm creating this thread so we can keep live commentary going as the debate progresses. So I think we can keep the clutter down by keeping all debate related comments (who said what and when, was it good? was it bad? who won? who lost?) to here.
McCain won, didn't you read the advance press?
Erastide
27-09-2008, 01:58
present o/
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 01:58
The spin is already well under way on Fox - they're prepping the audience with reassurances about how McCain motivated House Republicans to jump onboard with 'the deal' (which, as far as I am aware... hasn't been actually dealt yet...).
Awesome. I know what the message MEANS before it's even been said. Fox rules.
He has heroically brought in line the people he knocked out of line! What a leader!
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 01:59
Man, things are already getting testy on CNN.com. Pretty hilarious.
GnI, regarding the "deal"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/26/bailout.talks/index.html
I particularly enjoyed this quote from my state's own shady Congressman, Barney Frank.
"We're back on the progress track. We had a little bit of a glitch yesterday," Frank said. "Now that Sen. McCain is safely in Mississippi, we can get back to serious work. I am convinced that by Sunday we will have an agreement on this bill that people will understand."
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:01
God he's really old... LOL
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:03
God he's really old... LOL
OMG sticky thread plaz.
If anyone's looking to watch online, CBS's webcast is >>>>>>>>>>>> CNN's webcast.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:03
Funny watching if you are on CSPAN how much he chided the audience to basically shut up. Jim Lehrer, always the moderator.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:03
present o/
Aw, does this mean we have to behave?
Lunatic Goofballs
27-09-2008, 02:03
God he's really old... LOL
If elected, he'll be the oldest person to be elected President. If he survives a 4 year term, he'll be the oldest sitting president by the end of it. *nod*
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:03
God he's really old... LOL
Yet a bit younger than in 2000 it seems. Thank God for bo-tox. :tongue: Jim Leherer, that is. McCain seems not to have jumped on the botulism bandwagon just yet.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:03
Daaamn, he's straight into the economy.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:04
Funny watching if you are on CSPAN how much he chided the audience to basically shut up. Jim Lehrer, always the moderator.
I must have been watching the wrong C-SPAN...I was watching some dude drone on about a retiring representative...
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:04
So, I'm thinking/hoping that he's getting this economy discussion out of the way now.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:05
If elected, he'll be the oldest person to be elected President. If he survives a 4 year term, he'll be the oldest sitting president by the end of it. *nod*
I meant Jim Lehrer actually. :p
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:06
I meant Jim Lehrer actually. :p
He's got weird rabbit eyes that I think he uses to hypnotizes people with...
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:07
John McCain feels better.....what a relief. :0)
So Obama began with general coments on the economy, sounds like he hit the main points well.
McCain seems to go with the "folksy" approach, the "I'm not feeling too well about it tonight". He's trying to sell it as "we need to help the american people" but I think Obama did it better. He basically sounds like he's repeating the same points Obama made two minutes earlier
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:08
Does McCain sound sick to anyone else? He sounds like he's got a cold or something.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:08
"The house Republicans decided they would participate in this because otherwise it would look bad in their elections this year" >_>
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:09
Lehrer is pissed.
McCain is stuttering less, but saying less. Good for Obama and his "two years ago I was warning about this"
edit: and McCain's "me too!" Why is he talking about Eisenhower?
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:09
Does McCain sound sick to anyone else? He sounds like he's got a cold or something.
He might, he's coughing more than you would even if you're were nervous. Maybe that's why he wanted to suspend the campaign...
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:09
Eh, emphasizing previous problems aren't really a good idea from Obama, he keeps telling everyone it's someone else that caused the problem, but what about actually solving the problem at hand?
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:10
McCain is stuttering less, but saying less. Good for Obama and his "two years ago I was warning about this"
"Me too! I warned about it too!" Awesome.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:11
Lehrer is kind of being a douche. Why is he trying to corner them into taking a public stand on legislation that hasn't even been presented yet?
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:11
Giving a point to McCain for the soudbite "Not the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning"
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:12
"people will be held accountable...I promise." Not sure what that could entail McCain.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:12
The Eisenhower anecdote was a nice touch, actually.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:12
It would be nice if they were able to actually DEBATE. I mean seriously, Lehrer has a point, they're talking to cameras, not actually debating....
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:12
He might, he's coughing more than you would even if you're were nervous. Maybe that's why he wanted to suspend the campaign...
He's coughing and clearing his throat and has a kind of nasally thing in his voice that he doesn't normally have. Poor guy.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:13
And now giving a point to Obama for the "sound economy" hit :)
I love the approach so far. I like that he's encouraging them to address one another. More like classic debate.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:14
Lehrer is kind of being a douche. Why is he trying to corner them into taking a public stand on legislation that hasn't even been presented yet?
They're trying to make this a direct debate, where they ask each other questions instead of addressing the moderator like in recent debates. But their rehersers went for the style that's been common recently so they're not prepped to address each other.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:14
Spending is out of control but we're going to approve a 700 billion bailout package? o.O
McCain is stuttering less, but saying less. Good for Obama and his "two years ago I was warning about this"
edit: and McCain's "me too!" Why is he talking about Eisenhower?
To be fair, McCain really did warn two years ago about sub prime mortgages.
pointing out what George Bush did is bad, all Obama has to do is say "yeah, you did it with him, you're right, government changed you"
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:15
I love the approach so far. I like that he's encouraging them to address one another. More like classic debate.
It's promising, yes. But he's lobbing softballs at the candidates on stuff they essentially agree with one another on. It's hard for them to debate each other on stuff they can't debate on.
Callisdrun
27-09-2008, 02:15
Funny watching if you are on CSPAN how much he chided the audience to basically shut up. Jim Lehrer, always the moderator.
Jim Lehrer is the fucking man.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:16
The whole pen thing was a little off....
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:16
McCain is trudging right on when he talks, even through his own jokes. It seems like he has practiced this and is trying not to forget. How do you make a joke and then steamroll it?
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:16
I don't think McCain should go this route. His own party has said that they will overrule his theoretical vetos.
I like this question. - What is different about how you will lead us out of this mess from your opponent?
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:18
the attacks begin
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:19
McCain wasn't supposed to throw the first few dirtballs. Where are Obama's promised "zingers?" Ah, well.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:19
McCain is trudging right on when he talks, even through his own jokes. It seems like he has practiced this and is trying not to forget. How do you make a joke and then steamroll it?
To be fair, they both rehearsed the hell out of the debates. They'd be stupid not to. I would consider it a negative if they didn't prepare for this.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:19
McCain is scoring points on this earmarks thing, but I wonder if Obama's going to bring up the fact that the Republicans aren't going to play along with his earmark veto plan.
Ask him about his running mate, Obama?
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:20
wooo! Blaming earmarks is not the only problem.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:20
Obama has finally caught on and is addressing McCain.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:20
McCain complains about a 800 billion spending plan of Obama's while being more than supportive of the 700 billion Wall Street bailout.
Heikoku 2
27-09-2008, 02:21
Whenever McCain speaks the CNN lines go down... o_o
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:21
So there's less tax, but aren't Americans more productive and efficient? Don't we make up the difference? We don't have such long vacations either...
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:21
McCain complains about a 800 billion spending plan of Obama's while being more than supportive of the 700 billion Wall Street bailout.
Well Obama supports that $700 billion bailout too.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:21
To be fair, they both rehearsed the hell out of the debates. They'd be stupid not to. I would consider it a negative if they didn't prepare for this.
Obama actually sounds like he is speaking off the cuff where McCain is just trudging along through his answers like a bulldozer.
I love the - Obama took a billion dollars in earmarks in 3 years. It's very relevant with the Iraq bill. Yeah, it has so much relevance to the problem we have.
hard to say who is handling it better. I like what Obama says, of course, but who is "winning"? Hard to say.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:22
I like Lehrer
Should we start taking bets on when Lehrer grabs his hair and yells, "For the love of god, fucking address each other you fucking morons!"
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:22
Obama has finally caught on and is addressing McCain.
Yellow flag to Obama if he doesn't call McCain on the "2nd highest tax rate" thing and say how much it is costing them in healthcare.
McCain is smirking like a jackass and Obama is telling the truth. I smell a bullshit "counter" coming.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:23
I think Obama's definition of Rich is okay
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:23
McCain complains about a 800 billion spending plan of Obama's while being more than supportive of the 700 billion Wall Street bailout.
That's 900 (M)illion in earmarks for his state, not an $800b spending plan.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:23
Well Obama supports that $700 billion bailout too.
Out of necessity.
I think Obama's definition of Rich is okay
yeah I think he handled that one fairly well.
Sjevoslavia
27-09-2008, 02:24
Somehow I haven't seen any of their debates, I usually am very tune into elections however this very important one I've pretty much been missing out on.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:24
"Walking the walk and talking the talk" doesn't mean what he thinks it means.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:24
hard to say who is handling it better. I like what Obama says, of course, but who is "winning"? Hard to say.
CNN is apparently dumbing it down for us by having a little live audience graph scrolling along the bottom, I don't have to analysis it myself, graph does the thinking for me!
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:25
Somehow I haven't seen any of their debates, I usually am very tune into elections however this very important one I've pretty much been missing out on.
This is the first one, you came in just in time.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:25
who wants to fact check? lol
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:25
So now they're just calling each other liars.
Callisdrun
27-09-2008, 02:25
They're trying to make this a direct debate, where they ask each other questions instead of addressing the moderator like in recent debates. But their rehersers went for the style that's been common recently so they're not prepped to address each other.
The press should be douches to politicians. They must never think that they're safe, they must be forced to answer the tough question.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:26
So now they're just calling each other liars.
I'm hoping some one throws a punch.
I have to give points to them both for the last exchange. That's going to play well for both of them among people who already like them.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:26
CNN is apparently dumbing it down for us by having a little live audience graph scrolling along the bottom, I don't have to analysis it myself, graph does the thinking for me!
Let the rest of us know how that graph is going occasionally, even if it is a lil silly. :)
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:27
Obama's dancing around the question.
Sjevoslavia
27-09-2008, 02:27
This is the first one, you came in just in time.
Oh that's good to hear, I thought I've missed a lot more.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:27
Can they actually think realistically about what will happen if they don't have as much money as they thought when they started? I'm liking Obama so far...
CNN is apparently dumbing it down for us by having a little live audience graph scrolling along the bottom, I don't have to analysis it myself, graph does the thinking for me!
tuned that in. According ot that, Obama is winning 9 to 5
edit: 12 to 5
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:27
Can they actually think realistically about what will happen if they don't have as much money as they thought when they started? I'm liking Obama so far...
No. This is what I'm talking about. Lehrer's trying to trap them. I'm not liking his moderating so far.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:28
I wonder when we'll be getting to the (scheduled) foreign policy debate. The economics detour was supposed to last 15 minutes, but we're 30 minutes in right now.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:28
Obama's dancing around the question.
In what way?
The smirking is not going to play well. That's part of what turns people off of Palin. Come on, John, you're better than this.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:29
Use the word LIBERAL if you want to scare people.
stop saying "cut spending" he asked you HOW you'd cut spending.
edit: mcCain the republican is talking about cutting defense spending? Interesting....
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:29
The smirking is not going to play well. That's part of what turns people off of Palin. Come on, John, you're better than this.
No, what turns people off Palin is listening to her talk.
McCain has no idea what the fucking topic is. Apparently this was not on his prep list and he didn't memorize an answer for.
EDIT:
DRINKING GAME
Every time McCain says "I know how to do X", take a drink.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:29
Let the rest of us know how that graph is going occasionally, even if it is a lil silly. :)
Right now it's pretty high, even the Republican red one. Throughout Obama's deal it was near the top.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:29
God, don't give me that crap McCain. How much has Mr. Republican Bush increased gov't spending over the past 8 years...
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:29
tuned that in. According ot that, Obama is winning 9 to 5
edit: 12 to 5
According to CNN viewers with cell phones.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:29
In what way?
It was a dumb question, but Obama didn't mention a single program he felt would actually have its funding reduced. He said he knew he had some that would be delayed, but he didn't mention a single one by name.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:30
I notice McCain started by talking about bipartisan government, and now he's using 'left' as an epithet...
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:30
tuned that in. According ot that, Obama is winning 9 to 5
edit: 12 to 5 Seems what I have felt thus far, Obama is doing better overall.
According to CNN viewers with cell phones.
No, according to CNN analysts
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:31
Lehrer is doing really well. Being challenging.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:31
See. Lehrer is trying to trap them.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:31
It was a dumb question, but Obama didn't mention a single program he felt would actually have its funding reduced. He said he knew he had some that would be delayed, but he didn't mention a single one by name.
You must have missed McCain's answer.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:31
You must have missed McCain's answer.
Well no, I just made that post before McCain answered. :)
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:32
There's trapping, and then there's demanding an actual *answer*. They're not suggesting programs that they run on putting in that realistically they can't do.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:32
Well no, I just made that post before McCain answered. :)
Obama tilts at an answer, then goes off on a tangent, which is at least related to the question.
McCain is gibbering.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:32
No, according to CNN analysts
Which network is doing the phone poll then? I'm tuned to C-SPAN.
Go get 'em, Jim. It's the question everyone wants answered.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:33
Spending freeze with the exception of things related to war...
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:33
Obama tilts at an answer, then goes off on a tangent, which is at least related to the question.
McCain is gibbering.
I agree.
Barringtonia
27-09-2008, 02:33
Jim Lehrer is a little aggressive, it's almost as if he wants to come out the winner.
"Hatchet when we really need a scalpel" was a nice touch. It made McCain look like a hack.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:33
There's some details...
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:34
Obama: "Strong at home and strong abroad"... potential for a good soundbite there.
Which network is doing the phone poll then? I'm tuned to C-SPAN.
CNN has 6 analysts, each giving positive, and negative scores. Adding up the positive and negatives for each analysts, right now, we get:
Obama: 19
McCain: 4
take as you will.
Obama isn't smirking. He just straight out laughs at some of McCain's statements.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:34
God almighty, Obama supports reducing foreign oil expenditures too.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:34
Omg, waste him on nuclear energy you jackass. The amount of money that the government spends subsidizing nuclear energy is ridiculous. Even with those subsidies, nuclear energy is one of the highest cost energy sources.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:35
Jim Lehrer is a little aggressive, it's almost as if he wants to come out the winner.
That's what I'm saying. Lehrer is inserting himself into this debate more than I think he ought to be.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:36
Obama: 'As president, I'm gonna have to make some tough decisions"
Like it.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:36
That's what I'm saying. Lehrer is inserting himself into this debate more than I think he ought to be.
I kind of prefer it, I'd rather not have a speech prompter, I want someone to prod them to get into it.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:36
That's what I'm saying. Lehrer is inserting himself into this debate more than I think he ought to be.
And if he didn't, we wouldn't even be getting this close to the answers to the questions.
With Lehrer
Question: here
Answer:...............................here
Without Lehrer
Question: here
Answer:..........................................omg where the fuck did it go
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:36
McCain should name one he thinks should be cancelled.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:36
Omg, waste him on nuclear energy you jackass. The amount of money that the government spends subsidizing nuclear energy is ridiculous. Even with those subsidies, nuclear energy is one of the highest cost energy sources.
The public is receptive to nuclear power - if there was anything to jump on, it would've been nuclear waste storage.
Edit: 40 minutes in and still no foreign policy questions.
Moon Knight
27-09-2008, 02:37
Jeez, I would rather have McCain in office...But shit, Obama is laying the verbal smackdown on his old candy ass.
I'd say Obama's a little more charismatic
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:37
"unnecessary and wasteful spending" is McCain's slogan.
I do think they cannot fairly be too incredibly specific on this one. I do think Obama did nicely when he addressed some of the more specific problems. McCain basically suggested we stop everything. That sounds like "suspending" the campaign, "the gas tax holiday" and "a 9/11 commission" as a solution. He seems to support freezing whenever there is a problem. That's not an answer. That's just stopping addressing it at all.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:38
McCain, not for everyone having healthcare. Government can save Wall Street, but keep it out of rescuing Healthcare.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:38
"orgy of spending"
You voted for Bush 90% of the time and he caused this.
GOOD show man.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:38
Obama again with the direct address...
Barringtonia
27-09-2008, 02:39
Oooh, McCain was all 'I've been fighting spending my entire........ummm......career'.
He nearly said 'my entire life', ha ha, he's certainly remembering his points.
Hehe. That last one was hilarious. The maverick. Be specific. Stop just claiming you opposed Bush. You admitted to supporting him.
You're not a maverik when you CALL YOURSELF the maverik.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:39
Okay, so they're moving to foreign policy now. I think we're done with the economy talk for this debate.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:39
Ok, now McCain is just challenging Palin on who can put out the most bullshit. If bullshit was priced at nickel a pound, Palin and McCain would have payed for the national debt.
McCain supported Guantanamo, McCain supported torture, McCain opposed habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:40
Obama needs to ask him what a 'win in Iraq' means...
Hehe. That last one was hilarious. The maverick. Be specific. Stop just claiming you opposed Bush. You admitted to supporting him.
numbers don't lie. 90% doesn't lie. He wanted to claim "I disagree with Bush" but Obama can keep hammering that 90% number over and over again.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:40
Obama should mention that a lot of that $500 billion we owe China was spent in Iraq.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:40
"orgy of spending"
I liked that one. Very charismatic, so far. Very personable.
Seriously, that economic part HAS to go to Obama.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:41
We are winning in Iraq....LOL....
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:41
Seriously, that economic part HAS to go to Obama.I also feel Economy went to Obama.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:41
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both these men voted for the war, right?
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:42
Hehe. That last one was hilarious. The maverick. Be specific. Stop just claiming you opposed Bush. You admitted to supporting him.
You're not a maverik when you CALL YOURSELF the maverik.
Not to mention that he had to retread the Miss Congeniality line...and the slam was about spending not whether he thought torture was a no no...saying torture is a no no isn't being a maverick, it's being fucking sane.
Oof, that was a nice recovery, Obama. I was thinking McCain had nailed you pretty good.
overall CNN analyst points:
McCain: 3
Obama: 25
He's KILLING him.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:42
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both these men voted for the war, right?
Obama has voted against the Iraqi incursion.
Obama is throwing HARD rights on the Iraq war. The only thing McCain has on him is his opposition to the surge.
Oof, that was a nice recovery, Obama. I was thinking McCain had nailed you pretty good.
yeah, he came back swinging on that one "we didnt' finish the FIRST job", "we have to use our military wisely"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both these men voted for the war, right?
Nope. Obama opposed the war. He wasn't there to vote on it.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:43
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both these men voted for the war, right?
Obama wasn't in the senate at the time and opposed it.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:43
Nope. Obama opposed the war. He wasn't there to vote on it.
Okay.
My vice president is the chair of the committee, what about yours, bitch?
Got that one in before you, CTOAN. You're slow and stupid.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:44
"Senate inside baseball"
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:44
Now McCain's smirks have went from unbelievable amusement to "i'ma kill that bastard'.
Taking odds he throws a punch before the debate is over.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:45
Okay - he's NAILING him on Iraq now...
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 02:45
overall CNN analyst points:
McCain: 3
Obama: 25
He's KILLING him.
Eh. I think good judgment says otherwise.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:45
Got that one in before you, CTOAN. You're slow and stupid.
Spazz.
Seriously, John, pull your pants up and wipe off the lube.
You were wrong
You were wrong
You were wrong
Fantastic.
what the hell IS the difference between a "tactic" and a "strategy"?
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:46
cheap shot on 'tactics vs strategy'... made the jab, didn't explain why Obama was 'wrong' (according to him). cheap shot.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:46
Now they are just flat out ignoring Lehrer.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:46
Ohhh McCain says Obama doesn't know difference in definiton between strategy and tactics. Sad attack.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:46
Incidentally, my brother was one of the soldiers he's talking about right now.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:46
Going for the heart strings...
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
this is getting good...
Heikoku 2
27-09-2008, 02:47
Obama just avoided Kerry's fate.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:47
Appeals to emotion from the right...
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:48
Incidentally, my brother was one of the soldiers he's talking about right now.
Did he beg McCain to let them win, or is McCain thinking of First Blood Part II?
Ouch, again, that was a GREAT rebuttal. He specifically talked about the funding proposals they each supported. Expose the lie.
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:48
Ahaha, Obama is taking McCain's talking points and beating them like a red headed step child.
I still think McCain's smirking is getting more and more angry. It is visible on his face that he doesn't think he is getting where he wants.
"we have seen afghanistan deteriorate....McCain said we've been successful in afghanistan, and now they've reconstituted themselves"
beautiful.
Barringtonia
27-09-2008, 02:48
Straight out lie right after Barack Obama said that the surge was working, 'Senator Obama refuses to admit it's working'.
Oy.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:49
capture and KILL bin laden
Can't call him a soft option
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:49
Afghanistan was supposed to be the focus
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:49
Did he beg McCain to let them win, or is McCain thinking of First Blood Part II?
No. My brother personally hates the war and the Republican party, but we're from Massachusetts, so we're kind of born hating the Republicans. But he did voluntarily re-enlist.
Ouch, again, that was a GREAT rebuttal. He specifically talked about the funding proposals they each supported. Expose the lie.
the thing is McCain seems to have a list of bullet points "use these to win", but Obama seems to just keep countering them.
How many times is he going to talk about Petraus? He's not running for President.
WHY is Iraq the central battleground, Mr. McCain?
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:50
Straight out lie right after Barack Obama said that the surge was working, 'Senator Obama refuses to admit it's working'.
Oy.
McCain is sticking to his talking points even when Obama pre-empts them.
Wonder how that will be allowed to spin...
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:50
Watching them side by side is hilarious. Obama looks like he pitying McCain Mr T style and McCain looks like he could go critical any moment.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:50
WHY is Iraq the central battleground, Mr. McCain?
Good question - should have chased that up.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:51
And there's the first 9/11 mention.
Heikoku 2
27-09-2008, 02:52
OUCH! The tactics-strategy thing just bit McCain in his wrinkly ass...
Seriously, I'm waiting for McCain to apologize for the stress to Obama's family for getting in the way of Obama's shotgun just now.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:52
This is really random, but I like how Obama says Pakistan
good point with the poppies, makes him sound he knows details, not glossed over talking points.
Good question - should have chased that up.
Yeah, he should definitely have hit that point.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:53
I'm giving a point to Obama for being the person to actually set out a point-by-point policy on Afghansitan/al qaeda
Republicans said he has no policies... he's overturning that
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:53
And there's the first 9/11 mention.
From Obama no less...
mmm...poppies...
According to the audience lines, Obama is tanking McCain...
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:53
$10 says the spinmeisters point out Obama's pronunciation of Taliban and Pakistan ad nauseum.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:53
This is really random, but I like how Obama says PakistanI thought the same thing! :)
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:53
This is really random, but I like how Obama says Pakistan
Haha, I was just thinking how much I hate it. :)
This is really random, but I like how Obama says Pakistan
Yeah, it's almost like he actually has some understanding of foreign countries.
This is really random, but I like how Obama says Pakistan
it's the way Pakistanis actually pronounce it.
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:54
"You don't say that out loud" ?!! So what, you just do it and apologize later?
$10 says the spinmeisters point out Obama's pronunciation of Taliban and Pakistan ad nauseum.
let them try. He's actually pronouncing it correctly
The_pantless_hero
27-09-2008, 02:54
Yeah, he should definitely have hit that point.
Not if your game is talking points.
Did McCain just insinuate he would go into Pakistan silently and without warning?
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:54
Sweet crap, someone finally admitted that Cold War policy in Afghanistan is responsible for where we are now...that took forever...
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:54
$10 says the spinmeisters point out Obama's pronunciation of Taliban and Pakistan ad nauseum.
Yep, regardless of the fact that they're both accurate.
"You don't say that out loud." Did he just admit to being shady? Talk about things you don't say out loud, one of them is "I'm a dishonest person who foreign leaders should not trust."
I'm giving a point to Obama for being the person to actually set out a point-by-point policy on Afghansitan/al qaeda
Republicans said he has no policies... he's overturning that
exactly, the big attack against him has been "he has no policies". He seems ot have some
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 02:55
McCain promises to make sneak attacks apparently.
"if he wants to disagree with me he can let me know" basically force him to say "yes I would attack" or "no I won't go after al qaeda"
Heikoku 2
27-09-2008, 02:56
"Sung songs about bombing Iran"
HOLY SHIT! MCCAIN GOT CREAMED!
prudence from the guy who sang "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran"? Nice job.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:56
"You don't say that out loud" ?!! So what, you just do it and apologize later?
It'd easier to ask forgiveness than permission, baby...
hee...I totally just called a moderator 'baby'...Oh crap, I forgot, this one knows where I live...
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 02:57
Great points about Musharraf.
Barringtonia
27-09-2008, 02:58
My record, my record, my record....
A broken record really.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 02:58
My record, my record, my record....
A broken record really.
Zing!
Erastide
27-09-2008, 02:59
hee...I totally just called a moderator 'baby'...Oh crap, I forgot, this one knows where I live...
We should have had a popcorn party. :p
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 02:59
another appeal to emotion - all these dead soldiers love McCain.
I'd say Obama's taking this hands down but it'll be interesting to see how fow (et all.) portray it tomorrow (or later tonight)
Erastide
27-09-2008, 03:00
*sniff* *sniff* heartstrings. Tugged. NOW WAR!!!
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 03:00
Anecdotes. That's what we've devolved to.
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 03:00
We should have had a popcorn party. :p
Totally! I really could go for some popcorn right now, too...
Heikoku 2
27-09-2008, 03:00
another appeal to emotion - all these dead soldiers love McCain.
That's bad. Obama has to...
And he just counter-braceleted! :D
Barringtonia
27-09-2008, 03:01
The bracelet battle, it's like 13 year old schoolgirls.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 03:01
we are senators, we have bracelets. lol
Tiberiusa
27-09-2008, 03:01
Obama's smashing right back in with his own emotional appeal.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 03:01
Ooh. nailed him with a bracelet riposte. Glad he didn't let another appeal to emotion slide
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 03:01
Zing!
Eh. Both candidates are going heavy on the parallelism - college debate style. Bland, but apparently effective.
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 03:01
And he just counter-braceleted! :D
lollin
my bracelets, let me show them to you!
Heikoku 2
27-09-2008, 03:01
Obama blocked pathos with pathos, Good...
Erastide
27-09-2008, 03:02
o/ "you don't muddle through Afghanistan"
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 03:02
Another point for Obama: "You don't muddle through"...
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 03:02
Obama's been to Afghanistan too.
are we being overly liberal minded and obama supporting, or is he actually doing REALLY well and making McCain look fumbling?
And isn't foreign policy what McCain's STRONG area is?
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 03:03
yeah John, I visited Jamaica so I am ready to deal with their security. How dare Obama not take more paid junkets!
Um, does he realize that photo ops have no actual value? Traveling there is not required. I would be pissed if the general running a war showed up on the front line. It's fucking idiotic.
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 03:04
OMG... McCain blinks more when he lies...
Cannot think of a name
27-09-2008, 03:04
The red line ...
oh wait, the lines just TANKED when McCain just tried to zing Obama...like almost bottomed out...
The red line was high during McCain's emotional appeal and the Indy and Dem ones flatlined. During Obama's riposte, all lines were up.
Arianovia
27-09-2008, 03:04
Israel has nukes, correct?
"existential crisis to Israel"?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
27-09-2008, 03:04
McCain is anti-Holocaust. That's a relief. :)
Tiberiusa
27-09-2008, 03:04
"League of Democracies"
"Ohs Noes! Iran has just gotten nuclear weapons! Whats we gonna do!"
"Have no fear, the LEAGUE of DEMOCRACIES is here!"
Sdaeriji
27-09-2008, 03:05
are we being overly liberal minded and obama supporting, or is he actually doing REALLY well and making McCain look fumbling?
And isn't foreign policy what McCain's STRONG area is?
I'm sure our liberal bias is making it seem more one-sided than it actually is, but most of the commentary elsewhere I'm seeing is showing that Obama is "winning".
Barringtonia
27-09-2008, 03:05
Why not call it....The League of Nations?
Grave_n_idle
27-09-2008, 03:05
are we being overly liberal minded and obama supporting, or is he actually doing REALLY well and making McCain look fumbling?
And isn't foreign policy what McCain's STRONG area is?
I'm trying to be even - I've even been watching it on Fox. :) I've awarded McCain a few points, but I think he's getting hosed - objectively.
Unless Obama fucks up pretty bad.