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Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

Because euthanasia is anti-american?

... uhu...

And at the same time, there are people who will go almost any length to say "THE YANKS DID IT, THEY ARE BAD". Neither side is right. The reason both sides argue about America as if it was one massive entity do so because they are stupid.

Because euthanasia is anti-american?

Thanks, I needed that LOL. :)

... uhu...

And at the same time, there are people who will go almost any length to say "THE YANKS DID IT, THEY ARE BAD". Neither side is right. The reason both sides argue about America as if it was one massive entity do so because they are stupid.

I am very clear about who did what to what country when. Which is why I don't dislike you, an American (I assume) but I do hate LBJ and Kissinger.

Small detail: I'm a TRANSLATOR. An English-Portuguese one. So, for MY benefit, I hope to see America prosper. The more prosperity, the more work.

Thanks, I needed that LOL. :)

Don't worry, NSG will always love you.

Unless you piss off the mods, or course.

Or just do something really, really bad...

I am very clear about who did what to what country when. Which is why I don't dislike you, an American (I assume) but I do hate LBJ and Kissinger.

Small detail: I'm a TRANSLATOR. An English-Portuguese one. So, for MY benefit, I hope to see America prosper. The more prosperity, the more work.

Yootopia is a Brit.

Yootopia is a Brit.

Very well, make that for the benefit of any Americans out there.

I am very clear about who did what to what country when. Which is why I don't dislike you, an American (I assume) but I do hate LBJ and Kissinger.

Small detail: I'm a TRANSLATOR. An English-Portuguese one. So, for MY benefit, I hope to see America prosper. The more prosperity, the more work.
Sweet!!! Now I know who to call when I get ready to head to Rio for Carnaval.

Which is why I don't dislike you, an American (I assume) but I do hate LBJ and Kissinger.

Even though Yootopia's location says "York, England"?

Very well, make that for the benefit of any Americans out there.

Yay! It's for my benefit! :wink:

Sweet!!! Now I know who to call when I get ready to head to Rio for Carnaval.

You do realize an interpreter costs about 300 dollars per day, plus commuting and hotel expenses (I live in Belo Horizonte, an 8-hour bus trip from Rio)? ;)

Yootopia is a Brit.

Technically he seems to be from Yorkshire, so he's not really a Brit per se, more an odd, hairy kind of hybrid.

Imagine the difference between a Ranger and a Hobbit, people from Yorkshire are like the hobbits.

Even though Yootopia's location says "York, England"?

I was distracted by my fury.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people?

It's the horrid human affliction of nationalism. Pretty disgusting.

Even though Yootopia's location says "York, England"?
I might plausibly be an American in the UK.
Technically he seems to be from Yorkshire, so he's not really a Brit per se, more an odd, hairy kind of hybrid.

Imagine the difference between a Ranger and a Hobbit, people from Yorkshire are like the hobbits.
I'm not really from Yorkshire, my mum's Scottish and I lived Darn Sarf for about 8 years, for starters :tongue:

It's the horrid human affliction of nationalism. Pretty disgusting.

Okay, and how do we institutionalize these people for due treatment?

Small detail: I'm a TRANSLATOR. An English-Portuguese one. So, for MY benefit, I hope to see America prosper. The more prosperity, the more work.
You could always hope for the British Empire to rise again.
*tries to keep a straight face, but fails*

You could always hope for the British Empire to rise again.
*tries to keep a straight face, but fails*

Don't make us buy another of your banks now!

You could always hope for the British Empire to rise again.
*tries to keep a straight face, but fails*

I'm better at American English.

I hate America, both north and south!

Ooh, those two (or one, depending on your education) continents really iritate me, how dare they be so isolated from Afro-Eurasia and Oceania!

I hate America, both north and south!

Ooh, those two (or one, depending on your education) continents really iritate me, how dare they be so isolated from Afro-eurasia and Oceania!

:p!

I'm better at American English.

Well it is simpler, modified so Americans would be able to read and write someday.

You do realize an interpreter costs about 300 dollars per day, plus commuting and hotel expenses (I live in Belo Horizonte, an 8-hour bus trip from Rio)? ;)
If I can afford to get there for Carnaval I can afford a translator. :)

If I can afford to get there for Carnaval I can afford a translator. :)

"Interpreter".

:p!

I want you to go outside and kick the ground for me.

I want you to go outside and kick the ground for me.

I don't hate America, North or South.

So you'll have to pay me to.

I don't hate America, North or South.

So you'll have to pay me to.

I can kick the ground in Australia in return... Or recommend you to people who won't ever go to Brazil :p.

The same thing that's with people from Country X who hate Country Y, and with the people from Country Y who hate Country X. And the Xicans and Yanese who have a nationalist streak and get pissed whenever somebody says anything bad about their country. The same goes for football teams, baseball, stores people shop at religion, politicians and what have you.
Lots of people have this need for something to support. Some people take it to the extreme.
I mean, since we're on this subject, why not include people who participate in sports riots? Its basically the same thing.

I can kick the ground in Australia in return... Or recommend you to people who won't ever go to brazil :p.

You see, NEITHER of these things would really do it for me. Do you know anyone that would stop by LBJ's grave to take a leak?

Don't make us buy another of your banks now!
If you can take the bankers as well, I'd be ever so pleased.
I'm better at American English.
They're pretty much the same thing, juste add a buinch of unneeded voiwels to the midieieieuiaoiuedle of every thirud word.

I mean, since we're on this subject, why not include people who participate in sports riots? Its basically the same thing.

I long ago formulated the notion that a war is but a sports riot pseudo-legitimized and on a larger scale.

If you can take the bankers as well, I'd be ever so pleased.

They're pretty much the same thing, juste add a buinch of unneeded voiwels to the midieieieuiaoiuedle of every thirud word.

o_O

Okay, and how do we institutionalize these people for due treatment?

Unfortunately, we can't--not practically and not ethically.

The best we can do to deal with it is appeal to the less objectionable parts of national identity, like the ideals of freedom, equality, and justice that many United States Americans believe their country stands for.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?
Why do you hate freedom?

Unfortunately, we can't--not practically and not ethically.

The best we can do to deal with it is appeal to the less objectionable parts of national identity, like the ideals of freedom, equality, and justice that many United States Americans believe their country stands for.

Okay, as someone that has twice been on the receiving end of that crap, I really feel like saying "screw ethics, I want them in the madhouse". :p

But also to be sure, I can't quite do YOUR (good, ethical, and likely less fun) plan from Brazil...

Why do you hate freedom?

I don't, I just don't eat it much because it's hard to prepare.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?
Complaining about that is anti-American. ;)

Complaining about that is anti-American. ;)

Been done, Kat, Kyronea beat you to it. ;)

o_O
You heard what I sauid.

I don't, I just don't eat it much because it's hard to prepare.

...

That was the best response I have ever read to that sort of cliche statement. You win a star.

...

That was the best response I have ever read to that sort of cliche statement. You win a star.

Yay!

*Puts it in forehead... Watches as it goes nova, burning him...*

(Possible variation: "I don't, I just don't eat it because it makes me gassy.")

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

Why do you hate America/our troops/freedom?


And why are you a sexist?

Why do you hate America/our troops/freedom?


And why are you a sexist?

...

*Shoots self*

X_X

And why are you a sexist?

Funny I don't remember seeing anything about women in his post

You do realize an interpreter costs about 300 dollars per day, plus commuting and hotel expenses (I live in Belo Horizonte, an 8-hour bus trip from Rio)? ;)

What? No such thing as mates rates?

H2, why do you get so annoyed by this? After all you are anti american to some extant aren't you? At least in regards to their foreign policy and a few other things.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

Wow. Someone insulted you by using rhetoric you don't deal with in an everyday environment. And not only that, but they are awful in debates.

I guess we should feel lucky that people almost entirely unlike you, of the greatly enlightened and argumentatively distinguished type, haven't been wiped off of the face of the earth.

Some people don't debate and some people do. Those that don't generally don't go further than "You're a dumbshit," et al, and leave it at that. Grow some skin.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

Well, I take a slightly different take, in that there is a legitemate reason to claim that someone is being un-American, and I do use this in a thoroughly pejorative way. After all, the stated purpose of the United States of America as a polity is to establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, and secure the blessings of liberty upon its citizenry. A person who isn't for that is just daft or thoroughly corrupt.

The problem, though, isn't that "un-American" is being hurled as an insult, but that people who support policies that directly undermine some or all of the above are the most likely to wing them. I don't think I've ever called someone un-American to their face, and with good reason: where I'm from, calling someone unpatriotic is license to immediately make best effort to crack their jaw. Them's not only fighting words, them's ye olde beatdown words. We reserve such serious repercussions because, well, out in the boonies we all bleed red, white, and blue so to speak; our patriotism is a huge part of what defines us. What I've taken out of that is that people who are serious about patriotism are usually the last people to call someone un-American, because they realize just how vile the insult is. The insult then carries more than one barb: it's a vicious insult wielded by people too foolish to understand just how vicious it really is.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.
Simple. You are a left wing extremist from the point of view of a modern American, and your extreme opposition to what is looked upon as "the norm" or, the "debated but within reason of the norm" in our society makes it seem as though you hate America to many Americans.

The fact that half the country is Right wing and the other half of the country is Moderate to Right of Center won't help you win friends when you bitch, complain and throw temper tantroms about anything conservative.

And it probably doesn't help that you call for your political opposition to be euthanized, which is at best a good sized majority of American voters and at worst a rather large sized minority of American voters, which makes what you're calling for, mass murder and probably genocide.

Snip.

Your delusions of being "mainstream" in the American political landscape would be amusing if they weren't so annoying. You think the coups in South America were good things. Your opinions are not worthy of my consideration, mainly because you have shown, time and again, to be deluded at best and completely ignorant at worst about the topic at hand. I'm not anti-American. I supported no coup in your country. That you live under the illusion that opposing the idiotic notion that America has more rights than other countries is anti-American is not only blatantly problematic, but it's also very sad.

And that YOU come here and call me on a JOKE about political genocide after supporting it, time and again, in ALL SERIOUSNESS, in the entire South American continent also speaks volumes about you. And volumes about why I do not have to listen to you.

Now, if you excuse me, I have to tend to posts that are worthy of my time.

And it probably doesn't help that you call for your political opposition to be euthanized, which is at best a good sized majority of American voters and at worst a rather large sized minority of American voters, which makes what you're calling for, mass murder and probably genocide.

Wait what? After hearing cons talking about librauls.....they really are anti-american? :confused:

H2, why do you get so annoyed by this? After all you are anti american to some extant aren't you? At least in regards to their foreign policy and a few other things.

Because disagreeing with a country's foreign policy and other things isn't the same as hating it or being anti-it. One can hope a country mends its way for its own good.

And because "anti-American" is a buzzword created to stifle opposition through fear. It's designed to shut the opponent up. And NOBODY shuts me up.

Because disagreeing with a country's foreign policy and other things isn't the same as hating it or being anti-it. One can hope a country mends its way for its own good.

True, true but really H2, I still don't understand why you let it bother you so much though maybe because I'm just a bastard insults almost just slide off me.

And no response to the mates rates:wink:

Your delusions of being "mainstream" in the American political landscape would be amusing if they weren't so annoying. You think the coups in South America were good things. Your opinions are not worthy of my consideration, mainly because you have shown, time and again, to be deluded at best and completely ignorant at worst about the topic at hand. I'm not anti-American. I supported no coup in your country. That you live under the illusion that opposing the idiotic notion that America has more rights than other countries is anti-American is not only blatantly problematic, but it's also very sad.

And that YOU come here and call me on a JOKE about political genocide after supporting it, time and again, in ALL SERIOUSNESS, in the entire South American continent also speaks volumes about you. And volumes about why I do not have to listen to you.

Now, if you excuse me, I have to tend to posts that are worthy of my time.

There's also some irony that someone who wholeheartedly endorsed and cheered military dictatorships and juntas in South America would have V as an avatar image.

There's also some irony that someone who wholeheartedly endorsed and cheered military dictatorships and juntas in South America would have V as an avatar image.

Oh, that there is, and I'm pretty sure I'm closer to being an ace of spades than TAI is to being V. But I left that for other people to notice. It worked.

True, true but really H2, I still don't understand why you let it bother you so much though maybe because I'm just a bastard insults almost just slide off me.

And no response to the mates rates:wink:

Sorry, added an edited part.

Repeating it:

"And because "anti-American" is a buzzword created to stifle opposition through fear. It's designed to shut the opponent up. And NOBODY shuts me up."

Also... What are mates rates? o_O

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?
They aren't retarded, you just hate uhmarica. We don't take kindly to your "types" 'round here. Why I bet you're one o' them Al-Qayduh terrists here to fly a plane into this here forum.

to fly a plane into this here forum.

Crowning moment of funny! :D

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

Fortunately, they are few (relatively speaking). The problem is a defect in their thought processes (probably genetic in nature) that make them see disagreement as a threat to their existence. Since they've evolved somewhat more than monkeys, they throw words instead of feces.

They aren't retarded, you just hate uhmarica. We don't take kindly to your "types" 'round here. Why I bet you're one o' them Al-Qayduh terrists here to fly a plane into this here forum.

If yoo hayt dem Al-Qayduh terrists, why d'yoo have a pikchur of dere leeder in your profahl? Yoo a freedum-haytin' terrist too?

Question fails, too many variables.

Since they've evolved somewhat more than monkeys, they throw words instead of feces.

...you SURE those are words?

If yoo hayt dem Al-Qayduh terrists, why d'yoo have a pikchur of dere leeder in your profahl? Yoo a freedum-haytin' terrist too?

How kind of them, Gauthier and ASD are setting up a comedy-off for our enjoyment! :D

Sorry, added an edited part.

Repeating it:

"And because "anti-American" is a buzzword created to stifle opposition through fear. It's designed to shut the opponent up. And NOBODY shuts me up."

Also... What are mates rates? o_O

Yes, yes it is and I hate it though for different reasons, but lol, fair enough than H2.

Umm, mates rates is a term referring to giving someone a discount on a fee because they may be a member of your family or a friend. For example I get car parts from a friend at wholesale prices rather than retail and I also get simple legal advice for free from a lawyer friend of mine. You mentioned that you would charge a poster $300 a day plus transportation costs, I was trying to make a joke that you might offer a discount to the poster.

...you SURE those are words?

I admit that sometimes I am uncertain, grunts and screeches can be confusing, but if you listen carefully, you can derive some sort of primitive meaning from the sounds.

But seriously now my friends. I was posting on an internet forum around about the time Katrina hit Louisiana and we'd been dissing Bush for being a dick (Cheyney) in Iraq. Hey there were lots of people arguing that we should be there too! The discussions sometimes got heated but then died down.
Then this guy called "Buddy Bear" appeared. He was a US spook. He didn't make a secret of it really. He got into arguments with everyone and was pushing the Bush line - almost parrotibng it really...not giving way on any points. An Aussie ex-Vietnam vet with pretty mixed political views (but one that was generally sympathetic to Yanks) started to engage with Buddy Bear whereupon Buddy Bear accused the ex-Viet-vet of being anti-American.
When Katrina hit Louisiana and Bush's notorious stuff-up happened, things took a nasty turn on this forum site. Buddy Bear trolled like crazy and took every opportunity to denounce people on the site as anti--American. ...especially if Bush and Katrina were mentioned in the same sentence by anyone.
To cut a long story short, the forum site subsequently sauffered a massive denial of service and it was put out of service - permanently.
I contacted one of the moderators who was very tight lipped about what had happened but he told me that the host wasn't going to reopen.
The same massive denial of service acts of sabotage happened to Melbourne Indymedia and a couple of others. It took weeks to restore those.
So beware posters in forums who seem to be saying "anti-American" an awful lot. They could be spooks trying to warn you (personally or generally).
I also have a friend who had a visit from spooks because of the nature of his posts.
Advice? tone it down and don't over-react to what you see as right wing provocation. Humor is a valuable resource. So is tact. Let others defend you. They will, sometimes!

Answer to the OP's title:

It is easier than the thought it takes to construct even a weak argument.

I think it's just IRC.

Is MIRC a real-time chat sort of thing? I've never found a real-time politics discussion site that was worth visiting twice. Ignorant use of the label "anti-American" is pretty mild compared with some of the nonsense I've seen on those types of sites.

Is MIRC a real-time chat sort of thing? I've never found a real-time politics discussion site that was worth visiting twice. Ignorant use of the label "anti-American" is pretty mild compared with some of the nonsense I've seen on those types of sites.

Internet Relay Chat. Like Usenet, it was never good but was far better than it is now.

You see, NEITHER of these things would really do it for me. Do you know anyone that would stop by LBJ's grave to take a leak?
The U.S.A president? I could make some inquiries... Would bird waste count?

If you can take the bankers as well, I'd be ever so pleased.

They're pretty much the same thing, juste add a buinch of unneeded voiwels to the midieieieuiaoiuedle of every thirud word.

I'll have you know that we like our funny additions, along with different spellings. You keep jail and we'll keep gaol ;).

And NOBODY shuts me up.
We clearly need the Portugese :p.

Internet Relay Chat. Like Usenet, it was never good but was far better than it is now.

Aha, thanks.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after...

Who got banned? You or the moron?

If you, why?

Yes, yes it is and I hate it though for different reasons, but lol, fair enough than H2.

Umm, mates rates is a term referring to giving someone a discount on a fee because they may be a member of your family or a friend. For example I get car parts from a friend at wholesale prices rather than retail and I also get simple legal advice for free from a lawyer friend of mine. You mentioned that you would charge a poster $300 a day plus transportation costs, I was trying to make a joke that you might offer a discount to the poster.

We're not THAT close. ;)

Who got banned? You or the moron?

If you, why?

I may have told him to go f*ck himself three times in retaliation to the slander. :p

I regret nothing.

The U.S.A president? I could make some inquiries... Would bird waste count?

Nope. :p

We clearly need the Portugese :p.

Well, nobody shuts me up in English either. ;)

Or, in Portuguese:

"Bom, ninguém cala a minha boca em inglês também não."

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

I won't touch on the fact that you believe the mentally retarded people should be put to death.

But I will touch on the fact that your opinions are indeed anti-American. You have proven this time and again.

I would never call anyone who doesn't like Bush anti-American. I would never call anyone who takes issue with the Iraq war anti-American. Disliking government and government officials is the American way. The definition of an anti-American is, to me, someone who can take any issue, any worldly event, any American policy stance and immediately cast blame on America or Americans. They see America as the greatest force of misery and evil in this world while averting there eyes from more tyrannical regimes and policies. All in all there is nothing that is bad that is not also American.

I also find it funny that you, of all people, are calling for people to "argue like normal people do" considering your tactics. You are a master of the ironic.

I won't touch on the fact that you believe the mentally retarded people should be put to death.

But I will touch on the fact that your opinions are indeed anti-American. You have proven this time and again.

I would never call anyone who doesn't like Bush anti-American. I would never call anyone who takes issue with the Iraq war anti-American. Disliking government and government officials is the American way. The definition of an anti-American is, to me, someone who can take any issue, any worldly event, any American policy stance and immediately cast blame on America or Americans. They see America as the greatest force of misery and evil in this world while averting there eyes from more tyrannical regimes and policies. All in all there is nothing that is bad that is not also American.

I also find it funny that you, of all people, are calling for people to "argue like normal people do" considering your tactics. You are a master of the ironic.

1- Nice attempt at twisting it.

2- Yeah. That's what I did about the tsunami, or Russia, right? WRONG.

3- I shouldn't really expect much else from you besides calling me anti-American when the opportunity presented itself in an attempt to shut me up.

4- You are on my Ignore list for a reason. I read THIS piece of tripe you call a post because I felt interested. I won't read anything by you in this thread, mainly because your opinions do not count due to their sheer disconnect with reality.

1- Nice attempt at twisting it.

How dare I twist your words by repeating them!

2- Yeah. That's what I did about the tsunami, or Russia, right? WRONG.

Okay not EVERY time. Just 99% of the time. Happy?

3- I shouldn't really expect much else from you besides calling me anti-American when the opportunity presented itself in an attempt to shut me up.

First of all, I wouldn't dream of shutting you up. You do more to prove my points by resisting them.

Secondly, I don't believe I ever called you an anti-American. If I did I am sure I noted your anti-American statement and debunked it. If I used your tactics I would now request you to show me proof and, in the event you don't, scream my glorious win to the heavens.

4- You are on my Ignore list for a reason. I read THIS piece of tripe you call a post because I felt interested. I won't read anything by you in this thread, mainly because your opinions do not count due to their sheer disconnect with reality.

You hit me with words harder than steel. I think I am going to cry.

How effective is an ignore list when you can't ignore my posts?

Funny I don't remember seeing anything about women in his post



Notice how everyone else saw I was joking?;)




Secondly, I don't believe I ever called you an anti-American. If I did I am sure I noted your anti-American statement and debunked it.


Indeed, Im sure you would have "debunked" them in your usual manner. You would have made some outagous and indefensable claim and when called on to support it or provide evidence you would have called us poo-poo heads, taken your ball, and gone home.

If I used your tactics I would now request you to show me proof and, in the event you don't, scream my glorious win to the heavens.


Its very telling (and funny) that you equate demands for evidence in a debate to throwing a tantrum.

The definition of an anti-American is, to me, someone who can take any issue, any worldly event, any American policy stance and immediately cast blame on America or Americans.

Who should we blame for American policy stances then? The Chinese?

Who should we blame for American policy stances then? The Chinese?

Saddam asked us to invade! Honest! Blame him! :p

I hate America, both north and south!

Ooh, those two (or one, depending on your education) continents really iritate me, how dare they be so isolated from Afro-Eurasia and Oceania!

Yeah? well, I think it's arrogant for you Aussies to take up an entire continent by yourselves! After all, there's only like what, 500 of you?:p:D

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?
If you're drawing comments like that, followed by bans, maybe you should reconsider what it is that you are saying.

Just some friendly advice.

un-American, adj. Wicked, intolerable, heathenish.

-The Devil's Dictionary.

What is it with people who will always oppose what America does no matter what? This goes both ways you know.

And I don't belive you would use euthanaisa on them however.

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

I can't answer the question about "anti-American;" I suspect it's just a meaningless word used as an insult in the IRC. But calling those people retarded and then calling for them to be put to death could explain their anger.

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

Maybe someone who hates American foreign policy isn't necessarily un-american, but being that passionate on your hate makes you seem like one. Euthanizing them is too much for simply disagreeing with American foreign policy.

Seeing your context you have no reason to be so verbose and personal on your hate, unless the DOPS itself has fried your balls. In that case (I doubt it is so), you have to remember that Iraq isn't South America; don't mix things up getting all angry in one current issue because of another in the past.

It may be that "Anti-Americans" may appear in Nation States from time to time (it would be amazing if they didn't!) but they would generally be so in the mildest form (i.e. normally sympathetic to western and democratic values but with an axe to grind about US imperialism).
The real anti-Americans wouldn't be spending time on Nation States.
The Department of Homeland Security would be monitoring this site nevertheless - hi boys!
There is an issue with "love it or leave it" types that try to reduce issues into the simplistic "You're either with us or against us " claptrap. It would great if they played a different tune and made real arguments. You'd think the hysteria of the 50s with Joe McCarthy et al playing "spot the Commie ant-American" would have gone the way of smallpox and TB by now. (Everybody should have been innoculated against it)
Why? Because people should have realised that shouting "Anti-American" at people is a sure-fire way to encourage the development of anti-Americanism.
It's - just - silly!

If you're drawing comments like that, followed by bans, maybe you should reconsider what it is that you are saying.

Just some friendly advice.

"Maybe if she didn't wear sexy clothes, she wouldn't get raped."

:rolleyes:

The ban I can even understand - I did tell the guy to go fuck himself after he called me anti-American.

Maybe someone who hates American foreign policy isn't necessarily un-american, but being that passionate on your hate makes you seem like one. Euthanizing them is too much for simply disagreeing with American foreign policy.

Seeing your context you have no reason to be so verbose and personal on your hate, unless the DOPS itself has fried your balls. In that case (I doubt it is so), you have to remember that Iraq isn't South America; don't mix things up getting all angry in one current issue because of another in the past.

1- Abu Ghraib in Iraq was no different from DOPS (nice of you to do the research, I must say) here.

2- As I repeated several times, the euthanasia one was a joke, one made in my anger about the shoddy attempt to shut me up. Even then, it wasn't about disagreeing with me, it was about using the expression "anti-American" as a cudgel.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

American inferiority complex.

The ban I can even understand - I did tell the guy to go fuck himself after he called me anti-American.

+ Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat

With all the name calling and insults you are giving im not surprised you were banned. This has a lot more to do with how quickly you insult anyone who disagrees with you then your position.

But that being said heres a challenge for you. State one area/action that you actually support America. If you cant your anit-American.

I cant support anything that north Korea does. Im anti-northkorean. However i can at least admit it.

Snip.

Not that this "name policies of us you support/name nice things you think of us or you're anti-us" shit means anything, because one can like or support a population without agreeing with its policies or even without being able to name "good" things it has done (for instance, I'm sure there are lots of nice people in Estonia), but:

Its Constitution is a good one, mostly. I support the initiatives for gay marriage in some states. America has created many technologies, including the one that makes it possible for morons to argue that I hate it for being against the War in Iraq and the "interventions" in MY continent. And so on.

I do NOT have to support America's actions regarding foreign policy when they involve forcing other countries to do its bidding or "otherwise prove I don't hate it".

Again, the ban I understand. The "calling me anti-American" I don't have to. Mainly because it's a fake attempt to shut opponents up by claiming that they are anti-American for disagreeing with unethical actions your government is currently doing.

Now. Name things you find good about my country or you're a Brazil-hater.

Turnabout is fair play.

It's Denouncement, old as humanity.

Whether the word of the day is Witch, Jew, Communist, Anti-American or Muslim, there's always going to be a word that a mob mentality will use to silence dissension.

I have never attacked brazil in any way

It is so far away from my country and it is relatively unimportant economically, millitarily and culturally that I dont care about it. It buys our coal but considering the market demands if Brazil didnt want it China would buy it without question.

You were declared an anti-american as you attacked everything that the American government does. Brazil is just a random country that has not been attacked on nationstates at all as far as I know

because one can like or support a population without agreeing with its policies or even without being able to name "good" things it has done

So you can like something you know nothing about? Or something that you only ever attack?

Again, the ban I understand. The "calling me anti-American" I don't have to. Mainly because it's a fake attempt to shut opponents up by claiming that they are anti-American for disagreeing with unethical actions your government is currently doing.


Anti-American is given to someone who unjustly attacks America believing it is the source of all the worlds problems. Thats what you do.

You can disagree with America without labelling them. Try that for a change

Now. Name things you find good about my country or you're a Brazil-hater.

1. I understand they play a reasonable game of football over there
2. Many Brazillians don't like the wholesale destruction of the Amazon (yeah, I guess that's a backhanded compliment because it's still happening) so in that case:
3. The girl from Ipanema - who wouldn't want to passionately romp with her?

You were declared an anti-american as you attacked everything that the American government does.

Anti-American is given to someone who unjustly attacks America believing it is the source of all the worlds problems. Thats what you do.

You can disagree with America without labelling them. Try that for a change

1- America's government isn't America.

2- Prove it NOW or lose this argument.

3- Apparently, YOU can't disagree with ME without labelling ME.

Now. Name things you find good about my country or you're a Brazil-hater.

1. I understand they play a reasonable game of football over there
2. Many Brazillians don't like the wholesale destruction of the Amazon (yeah, I guess that's a backhanded compliment because it's still happening) so in that case:
3. The girl from Ipanema - who wouldn't want to passionately romp with her?

Coffee. Don't forget the coffee.

Now. Name things you find good about my country or you're a Brazil-hater.

1. I understand they play a reasonable game of football over there
2. Many Brazillians don't like the wholesale destruction of the Amazon (yeah, I guess that's a backhanded compliment because it's still happening) so in that case:
3. The girl from Ipanema - who wouldn't want to passionately romp with her?

1- Australians have a nice accent.

2- You BBQ PRAWN. ;)

3- Kangaroos!

But I was actually saying that to our friend SS here.

Coffee. Don't forget the coffee.

Our good coffee doesn't stay here. :p

Yeah? well, I think it's arrogant for you Aussies to take up an entire continent by yourselves! After all, there's only like what, 500 of you?:p:D

502 ;). The rest of us are invading Antartica and New Zealand.

"Bom, ninguém cala a minha boca em inglês também não."
España se convertirá en un imperio, capturará Portugal y forzará otra vez a todos los locutores portugueses a llamarlo ' ¡Español - lite'! - Spain will again become an empire, capture Portugal and force all Portugese speakers to call it 'Spanish -lite'!

Disagreeing with America's government is not Ant-American. I think it's pro-American, actually. We're supposedly encouraged to speak our minds and reform the system as the public pleases.
Of course, if 95%* of the public actually gave a damn, it would help.
*Exaggeration to prove a point.
Yes, I totally used an asterisk. Now, if only I could make the font incredibly small.... :p

Disagreeing with America's government is not Ant-American. I think it's pro-American, actually. We're supposedly encouraged to speak our minds and reform the system as the public pleases.
Of course, if 95%* of the public actually gave a damn, it would help.
*Exaggeration to prove a point.
Yes, I totally used an asterisk. Now, if only I could make the font incredibly small.... :p

You can use the [ size= 1] [/end size] (without the spaces, I put them in for you to be able to see the command) command.

Also, I know that you are a conservative, and based on that fact I REALLY, REALLY thank you for actually coming in my defense on this, with other "people" here still claiming I'm anti-American.

502 ;). The rest of us are invading Antartica and New Zealand.


España se convertirá en un imperio, capturará Portugal y forzará otra vez a todos los locutores portugueses a llamarlo ' ¡Español - lite'! - Spain will again become an empire, capture Portugal and force all Portugese speakers to call it 'Spanish -lite'!

Qué me importa? No soy de Portugal! :D

Also, I know that you are a conservative, and based on that fact I REALLY, REALLY thank you for actually coming in my defense on this, with other "people" here still claiming I'm anti-American.Just because I'm conservative doesn't mean I automatically think everybody that is not a conservative is an idiot. :p

Just because I'm conservative doesn't mean I automatically think everybody that is not a conservative is an idiot. :p

I know. Or otherwise anti-American. Which is why YOU, I'm treating with respect. I refer you to the posts of some other conservatives actually accusing me of being anti-American to give you an example of the behavior I'm complimenting you on not displaying...

Actually, as a pattern of behavior, people who call themselves "conservative" tend to label those who disagree with them with whatever catch phrase is popular at the time (anti-american, commi, etc.) and tend to treat those who they disagree as idiots, acting like anyone who disagrees with them must be an idiot since no intelligent person would think differently.

I say they call themselves "conservative" because for the most part no major political groups in America right now are conservative -- socially, fiscally, etc. Read the definition of the word sometime. But I digress, sorry...

I have found most people of that bent in the habit of trashing or ostracizing those they disagree with -- recently I was banned from a forum when I told the moderator that I thought some of the members and the moderators themselves where being intolerant of some of the other members. Seriously, I used the word intolerant, and they where so intolerant they banned me...talk about f'n irony.

If someone calls you anti-American, ask them what that means. If they say it means "you hate America", and if you don't in fact hate America, state simply that you don't hate America and thus are not anti-American. If they persist it is because they are not capable of having rational discussion and should be ignored.

Either that or taunt the crap out of them -- it's fun. Personally I am immune from these attacks because I ride an American made motorcycle with a 1203cc displacement that makes lots of noise. Can't be more American-loving than that, right? :)

If you find yourself getting frustrated just remember the irony that these "conservatives" always complain about elitist, educated, rich people and yet always vote for rich, educated, elitists.

They tend not to find it nearly as funny as me...oh well, what can you do?

Hey! It's nearly impossible NOT to vote for rich educated elitists. In Australia, the leaders of both major parties are multimillionaires. I'm sure that Obama and McCain aren't short of a few bucks.

Anti-American isn't an insult..Not to me anyway.

"Meh I constantly bag the S**t out of the US of A (well not the country just what alot of people over there are upto), and I hardly get the anti-American label thrown at me. Not that I am Anti-American it just I don't agree with alot of what the USA is doing.

Nah! New Moreton! You just think you're bagging the crap out of the Yanks. To them, they're still laughing at your Aussie accent to take offence at anything we might say. I guess that goes for Canadians too.

Ya'know, you could've, like, posted the log. It'd have enabled people to make up their own minds, rather than depending on your word being the absolute, and irrefutable truth about everything (tm).

Well, assuming that they cared, which the vast majority of people presumably don't.

As it is, you're a retard. You came in, you went on disrupting the leisurely, take-the-piss-outta-everything atmosphere with OMG POLITICS! I'M RIGHT! BUSH IS THE ANTICHRIST AND PALIN THE ESSENCE OF EVIL!, and generally taking the internets way too seriously for your own good.

The inevitable result was that everyone started to be annoyed with you, and subsequently pulled your chains - re: 'You're an anti-american!'. Hey, if it gets you worked up, and probably even to leave and/ or shouting back even louder to the point where you get banned for effectively turning into a local variant of whatshisname... Andaras, it's working as advertised.

That you didn't have the brains to notice it, instead choosing to label the entire freaking channel an ultra-right conservative hideout (lol), while whining on here, well... It's sad, but oh well.

Have fun failing elsewhere.

"Maybe if she didn't wear sexy clothes, she wouldn't get raped."

:rolleyes:

The ban I can even understand - I did tell the guy to go fuck himself after he called me anti-American.
And for a long time, that was a defense. We can always count on lawyers to deflect the blame from their clients.

Still, if there are frequent enough misunderstandings to piss you off, it may not always be the other guy's fault... And that really is all I've got to say about it.

Snip.

1- I think Bush is bad for YOU as well. Seeing your President as evil doesn't make me anti-American, or any other fucking BUZZWORD any utter MORON tries to throw at me.

2- I will NEVER be called an anti-American and simply take it again. EVER.

3- Yes, I was right about Iraq. I was back when I got the same buzzword thrown at me to shut me up as well, and I still await the opportunity to go back into that chatroom and rub it in everyone's faces in general and one guy's face in particular that they helped kill more than 4,000 of their own countrymen.

lol. You're even stupider than I thought.

Qué me importa? No soy de Portugal! :D
A planta de Spain é forçar todos os altofalantes portugueses a chamá-lo ' Espanhol-lite' , permitindo que sua inquisição da perda de peso tome sobre antigas colônias portuguesas e monte o exército o mais apto nunca para ter existido! … Isso ou tem um lugar para vender todo o EU' equipamento de treinamento de s… - The plan of Spain is to force all Portuguese speakers to call it 'Spanish-lite', allowing their Weight Loss Inquisition to take over former Portuguese colonies and assemble the fittest army ever to have existed!

... That or have a place to sell all of the EU's training equipment...

From what I recall [and once I find someone with logs to back me up, I shall post them] that you were on one of your irrational rants in the channel again. I also seem to recall the line of "You're anti-arab because you disagree with everything I say".

As it stands, Heik, debating issues is fine. Debating issues when people tell you to stop isn't. Debating those issues when you're being told by several people to stop is not.

Running around attack everyone who has an opposing view point, claiming you're an anti-american [when I didn't see that phrase being batted around] tends to lead to a fairly rapid ban for the sake of the greater good.

When somebody keeps causing problems via personal insults instead of proper debate, you're going to wind up banned. Not that hard, but this is the second time you've managed to get banned. Showing that your ability to actually debate a point, and accept when proven wrong, is severely lacking.

Not to add to your (obvious) rage against whatever it is you're actually raging about, but isn't calling someone a 'moron', 'retarded', announcing that you'd enjoy their 'slow and painful deaths', and then calling for them to be 'euthanized' kinda trolling?

I have never attacked brazil in any way

It is so far away from my country and it is relatively unimportant economically, millitarily and culturally that I dont care about it. It buys our coal but considering the market demands if Brazil didnt want it China would buy it without question.

You were declared an anti-american as you attacked everything that the American government does. Brazil is just a random country that has not been attacked on nationstates at all as far as I know

So you can like something you know nothing about? Or something that you only ever attack?

Anti-American is given to someone who unjustly attacks America believing it is the source of all the worlds problems. Thats what you do.

You can disagree with America without labelling them. Try that for a change

Well, that's just plain ignorant of reality right there. Apparently, you can minimalize and trivialize things you clearly don't understand.

Read up a bit and then come back and try to tell us that Brazil is unimportant economically.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11052873

Is it China or India? No. But it's hardly trivial. Next time, try knowing at least a little before you pontificate. It will help keep you from looking quite so stupid.

[07:40] <Heikoku> Rezo, do we WANT a White House that has people INSANE enough to believe creationism should be even talked about in SCIENCE classes?
[07:40] <Rezo|> Okay. Zero direct say.
[07:41] <Heikoku> It's not even about them having a say.
[07:41] <Rezo|> Um. The white house has had plenty of those people since the mid-19th century.
[07:41] <Heikoku> It's about a White House that has promoted a goddamn GENOCIDE!
[07:41] <Rezo|> I've yet to see the world blowing up.
[07:41] <Heikoku> Over NOTHING!
[07:41] <Heikoku> It's about a White House that hates gays.
[07:41] <Ranisath|Ctan> The White House has hilariously wide and poorly defined powers. Executive Orders ho.
[07:42] <Heikoku> A White House that fancies itself within its rights to attack democratically elected people it doesn't like (Chávez).
[07:42] <Ranisath|Ctan> Compared to other brances of the US government, that is.
[07:42] <Heikoku> In MY continent, no less!

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[07:44] <Heikoku> That's because the world looks a tad different from the OTHER side of the gun barrel.
[07:45] <AustarUnion> As a rule of thumb, agree with anyone -but- Rezo. :-P
[07:45] <Rezo|> I may have missed 1/3 of the US carrier fleet patrolling Brazil's coast...
[07:45] <Heikoku> That's because your country has a story of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South America.
[07:45] <LE> uh
[07:45] <Heikoku> That's because that story was repeated in the 2000's under Bush.
[07:45] <LE> Heikoku: Rezo is German.
[07:45] <LE> America is not his country.
[07:45] <Rezo|> You just agreed that the next US administration is about to start world war three and kill babies for giggles, Austar :)
[07:46] <AustarUnion> Cool!
[07:46] <Heikoku> I'm sorry, has America ever overthrown a democratically elected German leader?

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[07:53] <LE> Heikoku: this conversation is useless with your anti-American bias.
[07:53] <Heikoku> Iraq...
[07:53] <Vasilevs> Actually, he is. *points at Iraq*
[07:53] <Heikoku> Go fuck yourself, LE.
[07:53] <Vasilevs> Lots of people being killed because he decided to invade XD
[07:53] <Rezo|> That's hardly an extermination
[07:54] <AustarUnion> Iraq is not 'exterminating people'
[07:54] <Rezo|> If it was, there'd be no iraqis left.
[07:54] <LE> the sovereign Iraqi government isn't making too many noises about it, is it
[07:54] <LE> it's not extermination.
[07:54] <Heikoku> Seriously. Go fuck yourself. I got called anti-American enough for being against that goddamn war.
[07:54] <Heikoku> Go fuck yourself.
[07:54] <Vasilevs> Lawl.
[07:54] <AustarUnion> Heikoku, you need to relax.
[07:54] <Heikoku> I won't. I got CRAP in the run-up to the war.

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[07:55] <LE> Heikoku: yeah, telling me to go fuck myself is reeeaaal smart.
[07:55] <Nathicana> If you cannot debate with some modicum of control, don't debate.
[07:55] <Vasilevs> You jump between arguments to whatever suits you best :D
[07:55] <Heikoku> If you cannot debate without calling someone that disagrees "anti-American", don't debate either!
[07:55] <Heikoku> Dammit!
[07:56] <Rezo|> BUSH HITLER CHAVEZ AHMENEDIJIHAD PUTIN PUTIN PUTIN NINJAS HITLER STALIN MAO ARGUMENT
[07:56] <Heikoku> I got called this fucking buzzword as an attempt to shut me up before!
[07:56] <AustarUnion> No, you chose to -overlook- my point because you're still BAAWING over a majority of this channel's opinion on South Ossetia. :-P
[07:56] <LE> I think it's quite obvious from your statements.
[07:56] * Vasilevs puts on an "Anti-American" badge. Goes off to have a BigMac with fries and a medium cola. Or maybe a Cheeseburger menu?
[07:56] <Heikoku> Rezo, for the record, I did not bring up der führer.
[07:56] <LE> telling me THRICE to go fuck myself was not smart.
[07:56] <Nathicana> PLAY NICE OR GTFO. Is that clear enough?

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[08:18] <Vasilevs> Yes. I invaded Korea and split it with Japan. Then JApan decided to invade Korea... and I took Hokkaido from Japan :o
[08:18] <LE> oh, it's your personal map?
[08:18] <Rezo|> ...
[08:18] * Rezo| laughs
[08:19] <Rezo|> LE = epic failure.
[08:19] <Vasilevs> Well, LE, I ported the game map for simplicity.
[08:19] <LE> >_<
[08:19] <AustarUnion> what game is this?
[08:19] <Heikoku> It's because of his anti-Arab bias, Rezo.
[08:19] <Heikoku> He hates brown people, you know.
[08:19] * LE is actually pro-Palestianian, so there
[08:19] <Vasilevs> It's a game. Victoria: Revolutions. But Russia is so huge it won't fit on a single screen in case of a screenshot.
[08:19] <Heikoku> Nope, you're anti-Arabs.

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[21:25] <LE> someone's obviously still sore
[21:25] <LE> in query:
[21:25] <LE> [09:53am] Heikoku: Die.

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Shall I keep going? I got a looooot of stuff here, immature. Childish rants. Just like this thread, oddly enough. He doesn't know how to debate and thus was banned for constantly insulting people when he was told he was wrong, or was disproven via superior knowledge.

Put simply, he's got owned.

*SNIP*
Are all IRC transcripts this difficult to make sense of?

We debate things of all sorts in that particular channel. We have people from all over the world, all sorts of backgrounds, all sorts of beliefs, biases, preferences, ideals, and morals. And usually, we manage not to go off on a mad ban-fest just because someone disagrees. Because as anyone in that channel can attest - we disagree FREQUENTLY. Even vociferously. Vehemently, in fact. But usually, the moment passes, and we can all get along again for at least the next five minutes, or until something else happens in the world that sets us all to arguing the rights and wrongs of it all.

Generally, when a person crosses lines and stops debating, and just goes for the easy out of name-calling, we ask they stop, take a break, step away for a while, and come back and debate all they like when they're able to comport themselves with something resembling generally acceptable behavior. Or at least til they can chill out enough to not constantly spout 'you all suck, F***k You!' repeatedly or what have you.

We tend to use temp bans that will give that person the break from the channel they so obviously need, in the hopes that they will cool down and in fact NOT end up permanently kicked. There are several folks who have been banned in the past that are now welcome back, because they've matured and outgrown their old habits. Anything is possible.

Heikoku has demonstrated a pattern of lacking self-control, a penchant for deliberate trolling, harassment of other channel-goers in chan or out, and has done so across several used networks. As such, it has been decided by the chanOps that his presence is no longer desirable, and is in fact a detriment to our regular channel populace. I don't think anyone else there much misses him either, from the general attitudes.

There is no 'conspiracy'. There is no 'conservative bias'. And there is nothing personal about it.

Good luck putting up with him here - from what little I've seen, you'll need it. ;) Anyone who is this hung up on things, really needs help:

[08:07] <Heikoku> I still want my vengeance on the people that called me anti-American long ago...

I'm sorry to admit my only thought on this matter is...

#nationstates is still around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where? I was on esper.net the other day for the first time in yonks and there was no sign of it.

We've moved to gamesurge.net - same channel, same rules, and a lot of the same faces. Come on in, chat for a while, debate if you like, and feel free to mock Melkor. *flees* ;)

Thanks!

Are all IRC transcripts this difficult to make sense of?

Pretty much, yeah.

IRC allows for all the bad parts of a heated face-to-face argument, like ill-chosen remarks (that never go unheard and get logged for posterity) and none of the good parts (the visual cues you get from being able to see the person who's talking to you). In addition, unlike a forum, there's little chance to proofread what you're trying to say, and so reading someone trying to explain anything compelx can sometimes conjure up a vision of Fry's "crummy world of plot holes and spelling errors".

All in all, it's a pretty appalling way to communicate. Doesn't stop millions of us still using it though :p

A planta de Spain é forçar todos os altofalantes portugueses a chamá-lo ' Espanhol-lite' , permitindo que sua inquisição da perda de peso tome sobre antigas colônias portuguesas e monte o exército o mais apto nunca para ter existido! … Isso ou tem um lugar para vender todo o EU' equipamento de treinamento de s…

So you mean that the...plant of Spain...is to force all the portuguese loudspeakers...to call him Español-lite? Allowing the Weight Loss inquisition to take above(?) ancient portuguese colonies...and form the most apt army to have never existed??? That or have a place to sell all EU training equipment of s....???

SHIT! That must be some scary vegetable! God help us! :eek:


1- Abu Ghraib in Iraq was no different from DOPS (nice of you to do the research, I must say) here.

2- As I repeated several times, the euthanasia one was a joke, one made in my anger about the shoddy attempt to shut me up. Even then, it wasn't about disagreeing with me, it was about using the expression "anti-American" as a cudgel.

1-I can't take merit for a research I have never done. I do know however that the american role in both is completely different; in Ghraib it is a direct role, in Brazil it was some small aid for a coup that would happen no matter what the States did. Given that, you could stop overreacting as if Iraq was a personal issue to you.

2-Not a very appropriate joke. Retard, euthanize them, whatever. IMO you need to watch your temper otherwise you'll draw those Anti-American comments. That's not shutting up, that's cordiality.

Snip.

The guy called me anti-American. I reacted. This particular insult flares me up because it was used as a McCarthy-style attack against me in other times. I got flared up AFTER being called anti-American. Because, as I said, this stunt was pulled against me in an attempt to shut me up. And NOBODY shuts me up.

Given that, you could stop overreacting as if Iraq was a personal issue to you.

2-Not a very appropriate joke. Retard, euthanize them, whatever. IMO you need to watch your temper otherwise you'll draw those Anti-American comments. That's not shutting up, that's cordiality.

1- It IS personal to me, because of the fact that I was proven right after being called anti-American.

2- You can call me many things, and I might even agree to some, without using a buzzword designed to stimulate a witch hunt against opponents, as "anti-American" was from 9/11 on. For instance, you said it was not an appropriate joke? True. It wasn't. Call me childish for it, say I have a temper, heck, call me insane if you like. Because not one of these words is designed to set a mob on a person. Then again, not only I was in a bad mood - not a justification but an explanation - but also TAI, for instance, supported Pinochet, who "euthanized" the fuck of every political opponent in Chile. Not that it matters.

The guy called me anti-American. I reacted. This particular insult flares me up because it was used as a McCarthy-style attack against me in other times. I got flared up AFTER being called anti-American. Because, as I said, this stunt was pulled against me in an attempt to shut me up. And NOBODY shuts me up.

Clearly. :rolleyes:

It's over. You overreacted and got what you deserved. And the thing is, I actually agree with you on US foreign policy (especially after reading Blowback by Chalmers Johnson). But you've flown completely off the handle. You're like Marty McFly in Back to the Future -- "NOBODY calls me chicken!" -- and it sounds just as fatuous.

I'd drop this thread H2
It's not a healthy place 4 u

"That's enough of talking about me - let's talk about you....Now what do you think of me?

Clearly. :rolleyes:

It's over. You overreacted and got what you deserved. And the thing is, I actually agree with you on US foreign policy (especially after reading Blowback by Chalmers Johnson). But you've flown completely off the handle. You're like Marty McFly in Back to the Future -- "NOBODY calls me chicken!" -- and it sounds just as fatuous.

What, Int, you mean you don't have ONE specific thing that infuriates you? Not one deep-seated misgiving about a specific action that you truly hate?

But very well, I can even understand being banned - Not that I regret my reaction.

I'd drop this thread H2
It's not a healthy place 4 u

"That's enough of talking about me - let's talk about you....Now what do you think of me?

I won't drop it (the subject, not the thread) until Obama is elected (proving my point that one doesn't have to support the war to support America by getting a majority voting in the guy that was against the war) and I get to win back in that (not NS) channel an argument I have stuck in my throat for six years now and counting.

What, Int, you mean you don't have ONE specific thing that infuriates you? Not one deep-seated misgiving about a specific action that you truly hate?

But very well, I can even understand being banned - Not that I regret my reaction.

Of course I do. We all do. The difference here is that you're acting like an asshole about it, and virtually everyone in this thread has called you on it. "Anti-American" is not worth the energy you're pouring into it, and neither are the douchebags who use it without irony.

Of course I do. We all do. The difference here is that you're acting like an asshole about it, and virtually everyone in this thread has called you on it. "Anti-American" is not worth the energy you're pouring into it, and neither are the douchebags who use it without irony.

You may have missed my point: When I said people have specific things that infuriate them, I meant to the point of them reacting badly. To wit, I don't mind being called an asshole (some threads have me reveling in it), precisely because it's not a word made to set a mob on someone.

As for the douches who use it without irony, they had more power, and so did the buzzword, six years ago. And I have, as I said, a very old argument I want to win...

You're right, though. Rationally, I know so. But I've seen groupthink in action against me before (as, I'm sure, many here who dealt with it in other ways, more or less healthy than mine, well, likely mostly more) - even before the whole war issue, and I'd love so much to deliver one well-placed punch against it I can taste it. I want to win. I want to see the people that tried to use this buzzword to sic a group on me for being against their point of view suffer. Because I know I was right and they were wrong, and because I know I'd have won that argument.

So, yes. I may be overreacting, and I may have ONE thing I react in fury to. And, hell, that may even have been too much information. You're free to point out, and with my agreement, that wanting this kind of revenge on an internet chatroom (and due to even older things) is not only unhealthy, but also pretty messed up and sad. But I would like one opportunity to pay some people back. For all the wrong reasons, but I want to come out on top once. If only for a curiosity as to how it feels like.

[/self-obsessed psychotic rant]

You may have missed my point: When I said people have specific things that infuriate them, I meant to the point of them reacting badly. To wit, I don't mind being called an asshole (some threads have me reveling in it), precisely because it's not a word made to set a mob on someone.

As for the douches who use it without irony, they had more power, and so did the buzzword, six years ago. And I have, as I said, a very old argument I want to win...

You're right, though. Rationally, I know so. But I've seen groupthink in action against me before (as, I'm sure, many here who dealt with it in other ways, more or less healthy than mine, well, likely mostly more) - even before the whole war issue, and I'd love so much to deliver one well-placed punch against it I can taste it. I want to win. I want to see the people that tried to use this buzzword to sic a group on me for being against their point of view suffer. Because I know I was right and they were wrong, and because I know I'd have won that argument.

So, yes. I may be overreacting, and I may have ONE thing I react in fury to. And, hell, that may even have been too much information. You're free to point out, and with my agreement, that wanting this kind of revenge on an internet chatroom (and due to even older things) is not only unhealthy, but also pretty messed up and sad. But I would like one opportunity to pay some people back. For all the wrong reasons, but I want to come out on top once. If only for a curiosity as to how it feels like.

[/self-obsessed psychotic rant]

Have you heard the phrase "pick your battles"? It means you should choose to fight when you've got a hope in hell of changing a mind or making a point. "Anti-American" is not something that one person raving on a Web forum is ever going to change. You look foolish, paranoid and downright unstable when you try. I know your rage. I've picked some pretty unwise battles in my time, and I never failed to come away looking like the asshole no matter how "right" I was.

Have you heard the phrase "pick your battles"? It means you should choose to fight when you've got a hope in hell of changing a mind or making a point. "Anti-American" is not something that one person raving on a Web forum is ever going to change. You look foolish, paranoid and downright unstable when you try. I know your rage. I've picked some pretty unwise battles in my time, and I never failed to come away looking like the asshole no matter how "right" I was.

*Sigh*

(I hate it when you're right. :p)

And you know the ironic part? I'm also pretty well-aware (though I usually choose to overlook the fact) that, unless the unlikely event of them changing their minds took place (in which case I'd get an apology that would suck all the fun of revenge), they still think the war was "worth it". Ergo, whatever I say to them will likely go ignored. Because they're morons, that's what they do, they ignore info that contradicts previously-held opinions and dismiss it with the buzzword du jour.

And I know what "pick your battles" means. As a translator, I take pride in the fact that I have an extensive knowledge in English language idioms. But you made your point. ;)

I guess I can at least derive some enjoyment from saying here (and the nice part is it's not flamebait) that it takes a moron to use such buzzwords in an argument.

*Sigh*

And you know the ironic part? I'm also pretty well-aware (though I usually choose to overlook the fact) that, unless the unlikely event of them changing their minds took place (in which case I'd get an apology that would suck all the fun of revenge), they still think the war was "worth it". Ergo, whatever I say to them will likely go ignored. Because they're morons, that's what they do, they ignore info that contradicts previously-held opinions and dismiss it with the buzzword du jour.

And I know what "pick your battles" means. As a translator, I take pride in the fact that I have an extensive knowledge in English language idioms. But you made your point. ;)

Thanks (I am not right that often!). I'm not trying to dim your inner fire, but -- as it was explained to me when I was in my "angry young man" years -- channeling those fires is far more effective.

Incidentally, I love me some Portuguese. On my list of Top Ten composers of song, Antonio Carlos Jobim (especially "Águas de Março") is in the top five.

Thanks (I am not right that often!). I'm not trying to dim your inner fire, but -- as it was explained to me when I was in my "angry young man" years -- channeling those fires is far more effective.

Incidentally, I love me some Portuguese. On my list of Top Ten composers of song, Antonio Carlos Jobim (especially "Águas de Março") is in the top five.

Antônio Carlos Jobim, also known as Tom Jobim. Another classic of his is "Garota de Ipanema", which you may want to look up. To be sure, I may be a tad old to be an "angry young man" - though I'm still under 30. :p And I'm not usually hot-headed.

I just have a few debts to pay, that's all...

Antônio Carlos Jobim, also known as Tom Jobim. Another classic of his is "Garota de Ipanema", which you may want to look up. To be sure, I may be a tad old to be an "angry young man" - though I'm still under 30. :p And I'm not usually hot-headed.

I just have a few debts to pay, that's all...

http://www.brazzil.com/p08sep01.htm

Oh, I'm quite familiar with Jobim's amazing work. I've performed "One Note Samba", "Desafinado", "Wave", "So Danco Samba", and "How Insensitive". Love his stuff.

http://www.brazzil.com/p08sep01.htm

Oh, I'm quite familiar with Jobim's amazing work. I've performed "One Note Samba", "Desafinado", "Wave", "So Danco Samba", and "How Insensitive". Love his stuff.

Performed? o_O

What do you do for a living?

Performed? o_O

What do you do for a living?

Music professor. I'd be a shoddy one if I hadn't had experience performing.

Music professor. I'd be a shoddy one if I hadn't had experience performing.

Nice. Was sorta hoping you were a singer or something - I'd cut you a special price on music translations to and from Portuguese. One that, due to living cost differences here and there, would still be VERY good to me. :D

And you know the ironic part? I'm also pretty well-aware (though I usually choose to overlook the fact) that, unless the unlikely event of them changing their minds took place (in which case I'd get an apology that would suck all the fun of revenge), they still think the war was "worth it". Ergo, whatever I say to them will likely go ignored. Because they're morons, that's what they do, they ignore info that contradicts previously-held opinions and dismiss it with the buzzword du jour.

Personally I'm trying to work out why anybody should apologize for your terrible behavior, Heik. The logs show enough I think and I can keep posting them so people know to avoid any kind of debate with you knowing it'll merely devolve into a childish screaming match.

We have people on the channel who disagree with the Iraq War and have done so since 2003. Unlike you they haven't gone about telling people to go fuck themselves because you cannot articulate your point beyond "BECAUSE IT'S TEH BAD!" Or beleive the Arabic Media claptrap in there being "millions" slaughtered a year.

[This same Media didn't report the War going badly for the Iraqis until the American Tanks were trundling up and down Baghdad's streets. When they grudgingly reported that Baghdad had fallen, prior to this they had been reporting massive Iraqi Victories with around 40,000 Coalition Troops dying, or KIA.]

People actually bother to articulate their opposition, usually noting their pacifistic tendencies, or the fact that it was done under the pretense that later proved false. [The Dodgy Dossiers] They at least are realistic to the fact that now that the West was there, they had to stay until the job was at least done enough for Iraq to stand on it's own two feet with only minimal training assistance from The West. [Something repeated worldwide and in Brazil, no less]

You however, try to talk about issues you simply don't bother to research into.

Creationism, while favoured by elements of the Bush-Regime was only ever applied in Kansas, by the state authorities. Not by the White House itself. This was soon dropped thanks to the protestations of the "Pastafarian Religion" and the flying spaghetti monster which was formed in responce to the application of "Intelligent Design".

It should also be noted that Chavez is personally bitter against the US because they didn't send a carrier group and lots of air power during his failed coup attempt in 1992. He didn't quite understand the concept of a coup d'etat is do the damn work yourself. As such he blames absolutely everything that doesn't go his way on either the United States, or the Media. Neither of which truly shape public opinion.

The United States cannot run conspiracy theories beyond 20 people, the maximum number a conspiracy can safely work at before actual bona-fide discovery. Though Conspiracies have been exposed with less people. EnRon is a fantastic example.

Recent studies have also shown that people merely go to whatever media-source they were already pre-disposed to. EG Conservatives watch Fox News. Democrats CNN. Thus bunking the "It's the Media's fault" accusations by Chavez and leaders around the world. They're just a useful scapegoat.

Just like you're hiding behind your actual anti-american tendancies where you immediately think that because somebody disagrees with you, you're being accused of anti-americanism. As it stands you have a lot of bile for the Bush Regime and it seems. American actions in general.

I take it you'll do the same for whatever President comes into power next time? Because if you actually check American Foreign Policy for the last.... 60 years there's been incredibly little difference between either Republicans and Democrats. I think it was best summed up in #Nationstates yesterday.

"The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats on Foreign Policy is the Democrats tell you to go fuck yourself more politely."

Just like you're hiding behind your actual anti-american tendancies where you immediately think that because somebody disagrees with you, you're being accused of anti-americanism.

So, let me get this straight: You are, sans proof, accusing me of claiming to be accused of anti-Americanism (look at the registry, LE did call me anti-American) and ACTUALLY accusing of anti-Americanism (as per de bolded part).

Do you realize the irony here? I'm pretty sure, just for one example, that I'd be modded, and with good reason, if I went "stop claiming to be called moron, you moron" on you without sarcasm.

But of course you HAVE to use that card, don't you? How else will you defend an unfair war that brought death and more death to an entire nation and gave Russia justification to do the same for five days?

I didn't tell LE to go fuck himself because I couldn't "articulate my point". My point is pretty articulated by just about everyone that notices that Iraq had no WMDs, that official tallies count more than 4,000 American troops dead and more than 600,000 Iraqis dead, and that America's standing in the world is way worse after this crime than it was 7 years ago. I told him to go fuck himself because he called me anti-American. Something which is clearly in the logs that are posted here. And, yes, in my general behavior on NSG.

I'm an EN-PT translator, that gets most of its cash from people who deal with Americans. I'm an RPG player, that buys American books. I spend most of my time on the WWW, an American invention. And you come here and actually call me anti-American, accusing me of saying that "people are calling me anti-American" without proof.

Is the bolded part proof enough? What exactly are you trying to pull? Do the logs ever show me telling LE to go fuck himself BEFORE his "anti-American" stunt?

But enough about this, just go right ahead and tell me where the hell are the WMDs. I was against this war, mind you, for the good of AMERICA. Only to be called anti-American by morons back then.

And now.

I'm anti-anti-American. But the last days I feel even anti-anti-anti-American.

But enough about this, just go right ahead and tell me where the hell are the WMDs.There aren't any, but it doesn't actually matter. Honestly, whatever the rest of the world thinks doesn't matter to many Americans.

There aren't any, but it doesn't actually matter. Honestly, whatever the rest of the world thinks doesn't matter to many Americans.

Which would be fine if the US didn't exert its own influence around the world. Bearing in mind that I'm well-aware that 70% of your population now knows the war was a mistake.

Which would be fine if the US didn't exert its own influence around the world. We do it because we can. Not like anybody is actively trying to stop us. That has a realistic chance of stopping us, that is.
Bearing in mind that I'm well-aware that 70% of your population now knows the war was a mistake.Yet we're still in the war.

We do it because we can.

Maybe, but there is a name for this kind of thought (not accusing you of working with it), and it's not pretty.

Maybe, but there is a name for this kind of thought (not accusing you of working with it), and it's not pretty.This thought train will eventually work it's way around back to the fact that I'm American and don't really care. :p

So, let me get this straight: You are, sans proof, accusing me of claiming to be accused of anti-Americanism (look at the registry, LE did call me anti-American) and ACTUALLY accusing of anti-Americanism (as per de bolded part).

Pretty much. I do like that that is basically as far as you got into my post before the blue paper was apparently set off. You do seem anti-american as opposed to anti-bush at times though. In a number of your rants [which, as proof has been shown, attack anything the United States has done this past decade, and beforehand] For example, from the logs....

[07:45] <Heikoku> That's because your country has a story of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South America.

But of course you HAVE to use that card, don't you? How else will you defend an unfair war that brought death and more death to an entire nation and gave Russia justification to do the same for five days?


Actually Russia got it's licks in before the United States in Chechnya, where arguably bombing civillian cities for days on end when there's no proof of enemy army activity is a bit much. Georgia was part of the West Dropping the ball on being unable to reign Shaakashvili in. There was also the matter of the Georgian patrol attacked by a roadside bomb several days before.

I didn't tell LE to go fuck himself because I couldn't "articulate my point". My point is pretty articulated by just about everyone that notices that Iraq had no WMDs, that official tallies count more than 4,000 American troops dead and more than 600,000 Iraqis dead, and that America's standing in the world is way worse after this crime than it was 7 years ago.

Yes, but that was still an unnecessary way to articulate your point, such personal and childish insults to someone who's position is biased towards Americans and American Foreign Policy. Most of the time citing "good for America" as some sort of personal mantra, and screeching like a banshee at anybody who doesn't.

Claiming things such as Genocides etc when they blatantly aren't is just trying to play to some sort of irrational heart-string which simply doesn't work in the channel. If anything it just annoys the hell out of the more informed.

I told him to go fuck himself because he called me anti-American. Something which is clearly in the logs that are posted here. And, yes, in my general behavior on NSG.

Your general behavior is still terrible. The fact you got banned, then opened up a whole thread where you claim people called you anti-American so you can whine some more about how much you're the victim in this matter. The fact is nobody accused you of being anti-American, they accused you of an anti-American bias, which is different, not by much, but different.

I'm an EN-PT translator, that gets most of its cash from people who deal with Americans. I'm an RPG player, that buys American books. I spend most of my time on the WWW, an American invention. And you come here and actually call me anti-American, accusing me of saying that "people are calling me anti-American" without proof.


Just because you use American products doesn't make you any less with bias. Indeed many of your rants touching on a wide-range of topics [usually involving America] tend to be against any action the United States has undertaken beyond the past 8 years.

Is the bolded part proof enough? What exactly are you trying to pull? Do the logs ever show me telling LE to go fuck himself BEFORE his "anti-American" stunt?


It shows it's a nerve that provokes a personal attack.

But enough about this, just go right ahead and tell me where the hell are the WMDs. I was against this war, mind you, for the good of AMERICA. Only to be called anti-American by morons back then.

And now.

Like I said, it was done under a false pretense but, alas, fully justified under UN mandates (they forgot to pass a resolution informing that resolutions passed under the Second Gulf War, 1991 were obsolete.)

We do it because we can. Not like anybody is actively trying to stop us. That has a realistic chance of stopping us, that is.
Yet we're still in the war.

Ah no? Try to catch an airplane these days in US of A... It's an adventure, I can tell you...

Fact is, that just a few men had an enormous impact on US of A (and Europe as well).

I'm not an expert on Afghan matters, I just read and watch the news. What I understood from the Afghan people is:

* You can hire them, but you can't buy them.
* They have plenty of time and patience. They are not blocked by elections and legislatures.

They will sweat it out and killing slowly, time by time, every American or any NATO soldier that is in the country. That's how they have wiped out the Russians ass: slow but precisely.

Those Taliban bastards are surely capable of destroying a country like US. Give them some time, that's all...

In a way, they already did.

Pretty much. I do like that that is basically as far as you got into my post before the blue paper was apparently set off. You do seem anti-american as opposed to anti-bush at times though. In a number of your rants [which, as proof has been shown, attack anything the United States has done this past decade, and beforehand] For example, from the logs....

[07:45] <Heikoku> That's because your country has a story of overthrowing democratically elected leaders in South America.



Actually Russia got it's licks in before the United States in Chechnya, where arguably bombing civillian cities for days on end when there's no proof of enemy army activity is a bit much. Georgia was part of the West Dropping the ball on being unable to reign Shaakashvili in. There was also the matter of the Georgian patrol attacked by a roadside bomb several days before.



Yes, but that was still an unnecessary way to articulate your point, such personal and childish insults to someone who's position is biased towards Americans and American Foreign Policy. Most of the time citing "good for America" as some sort of personal mantra, and screeching like a banshee at anybody who doesn't.

Claiming things such as Genocides etc when they blatantly aren't is just trying to play to some sort of irrational heart-string which simply doesn't work in the channel. If anything it just annoys the hell out of the more informed.



Your general behavior is still terrible. The fact you got banned, then opened up a whole thread where you claim people called you anti-American so you can whine some more about how much you're the victim in this matter. The fact is nobody accused you of being anti-American, they accused you of an anti-American bias, which is different, not by much, but different.



Just because you use American products doesn't make you any less with bias. Indeed many of your rants touching on a wide-range of topics [usually involving America] tend to be against any action the United States has undertaken beyond the past 8 years.



It shows it's a nerve that provokes a personal attack.



Like I said, it was done under a false pretense but, alas, fully justified under UN mandates (they forgot to pass a resolution informing that resolutions passed under the Second Gulf War, 1991 were obsolete.)

1- You're actually trying to twist me pointing out actual history into me being anti-American? Does the US not have that history? Does England not have a history of colonizing Africa? Does France not have the same history? Am I anti-English or anti-French for pointing that out? If you say Germany didn't have a good human rights record in 1942 does that make you anti-German? If you say Brazil didn't in 1969 does that make you anti-Brazilian?

2- You're really trying to sell this much of a nitpick? Is it not language designed to sic a mob on somebody? Is it not an attempt to attack someone ad hominem in the most damaging way possible to shut them up?

3- And that makes me anti-American, rather than anti-Bush, because...? Oh, for the record? Afghanistan, I SUPPORTED. So go ahead and tell me all about "bias", why don't you.

4- That would have been an amazing discovery that should make you really, really proud were it not for the fact that I outright SAID SO IN THIS THREAD.

5- Not only most countries in the UN still see it as illegal, it would be unethical nonetheless.

On the underlined part, I assume you refer to LE?

Those Taliban bastards are surely capable of destroying a country like US.Anyone has the ability to do that.
In a way, they already did. By making us change? I, personally, believe that change is healthy.
Try to catch an airplane these days in US of A... It's an adventure, I can tell you...I flew to Hawaii last summer. No problems getting a plane ticket. No security delays. Minimal waiting time.
They will sweat it out and killing slowly, time by time, every American or any NATO soldier that is in the country.Of course they will, assuming the soldiers don't kill them first.

So you mean that the...plant of Spain...is to force all the portuguese loudspeakers...to call him Español-lite? Allowing the Weight Loss inquisition to take above(?) ancient portuguese colonies...and form the most apt army to have never existed??? That or have a place to sell all EU training equipment of s....???

SHIT! That must be some scary vegetable! God help us! :eek:
:p

For those who don't get it: "The plan of Spain is to force all Portuguese speakers to call it 'Spanish-lite', allowing their Weight Loss Inquisition to take over former Portuguese colonies and assemble the fittest army ever to have existed!

... That or have a place to sell all of the EU's training equipment..."

Bablefish is definately no good for writing a message in Portuguese...

Bablefish is definately no good for writing a message in Portuguese...

Good, or else I'd be out of business.

Good, or else I'd be out of business.
You could try your hand at crappy romance novels!

Good, or else I'd be out of business.

Just a question H2 if you don't mind me asking, do you get a lot of business, or is it similar to a part time thing.

I only ask because I am curious and have never met an interpreter before

Anyone has the ability to do that.


France is not. :)

By making us change? I, personally, believe that change is healthy.


Sometimes it is.


I flew to Hawaii last summer. No problems getting a plane ticket. No security delays. Minimal waiting time.

Tell the rest of us, that you were one of the pilots ;)


Of course they will, assuming the soldiers don't kill them first.

Sure, there are no American and European lifes wasted in Afghanistan. Sure.

Personally I'm trying to work out why anybody should apologize for your terrible behavior, Heik.

*snip*

Dammit, Midlonia! We just got things calmed down. Thanks a heap.

Aunty American is a foolish twat in a bad wig, orthopedic shoes and a penchant for nose picking at the most inappropriate moments.

Aunty American is a foolish twat in a bad wig, orthopedic shoes and a penchant for nose picking at the most inappropriate moments.

Aunty American and Uncle Sam?

France is not. :)France fails. :p
Though, the FFL is really well-trained.
Tell the rest of us, that you were one of the pilots ;)How old do you have to be to get a pilot's license, anyway?
Sure, there are no American and European lifes wasted in Afghanistan. Sure. Depends on your point of view.

Just a question H2 if you don't mind me asking, do you get a lot of business, or is it similar to a part time thing.

I only ask because I am curious and have never met an interpreter before

I'm a beginner, so I don't get THAT much yet.

You could try your hand at crappy romance novels!

Tried and failed at crappy Bleach-imitation manga.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

HEY! If you dun like AMERICA you kin just giiiiiit out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ)

HEY! If you dun like AMERICA you kin just giiiiiit out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ)

Sembrano Proprio Quasi Romani! :D

1- It IS personal to me, because of the fact that I was proven right after being called anti-American.

2- You can call me many things, and I might even agree to some, without using a buzzword designed to stimulate a witch hunt against opponents, as "anti-American" was from 9/11 on. For instance, you said it was not an appropriate joke? True. It wasn't. Call me childish for it, say I have a temper, heck, call me insane if you like. Because not one of these words is designed to set a mob on a person. Then again, not only I was in a bad mood - not a justification but an explanation - but also TAI, for instance, supported Pinochet, who "euthanized" the fuck of every political opponent in Chile. Not that it matters.

1-I see...my bad for judging it wouldn't...I was probably based on the fact that it wouldn't define personal for myself, and on our common nationality as a context.

2-If it didn't matter it wouldn't get you pissed off to this day, or make you go to chat conservatives out of their ideas. I won't tell you how to react, but this whole thread seems pointless if it's based upon your banishment example.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

I love America. That is why I hate the man you've amusingly dubbed "commander-in-chimp." And also his cohorts.

I love America. That is why I hate the man you've amusingly dubbed "commander-in-chimp." And also his cohorts.

To be sure, the name isn't my invention.

We have people on the channel who disagree with the Iraq War and have done so since 2003. Unlike you they haven't gone about telling people to go fuck themselves because you cannot articulate your point beyond "BECAUSE IT'S TEH BAD!" Or beleive the Arabic Media claptrap in there being "millions" slaughtered a year.

[This same Media didn't report the War going badly for the Iraqis until the American Tanks were trundling up and down Baghdad's streets. When they grudgingly reported that Baghdad had fallen, prior to this they had been reporting massive Iraqi Victories with around 40,000 Coalition Troops dying, or KIA.]

I honestly couldn't care less about your rage towards Heikoku, but I'm wondering if you could provide some proof for these statements, as I find them slightly difficult to believe.

To be sure, the name isn't my invention.

A pity.

Oh my Gawd, H2! A Brazillian who went out with McCain!
http://www.theage.com.au/world/john-mccains-brazilian-flame-revealed-20080923-4m3e.html

Oh my Gawd, H2! A Brazillian who went out with McCain!
http://www.theage.com.au/world/john-mccains-brazilian-flame-revealed-20080923-4m3e.html

I saw the news of this poor, tasteless woman on tabloids here.

And threw up things I hadn't even eaten by then.

At least Mc Cain was making love not war!

At least Mc Cain was making love not war!

Don't confuse making love with fucking over and sodomizing the nation and its people.

Don't confuse making love with fucking over and sodomizing the nation and its people.

I think he was talking about the poor, tasteless Brazilian woman McCain was once fuckbuddies with.

I saw the news of this poor, tasteless woman on tabloids here.

And threw up things I hadn't even eaten by then.

To be fair, it was 51 years ago, long before McCain turned into the Bushevik Vegetable Pod he is now.

To be fair, it was 51 years ago, long before McCain turned into the Bushevik Vegetable Pod he is now.

"We were young, in love, I had this paraphilia for the ugly and dumb..."

Update:

Something went wrong with the channel's ban system, and autojoin got me in. I was told to leave or LE (the guy that called me anti-American while thinking he was making a case) told me to leave or he'd call Gamesurge. I left and, after three attempts that landed me in the channel, managed to take the channel off autojoin.

I'm posting this as a protective measure, so people here I talk to on Gamesurge know what happened in case I'm booted from there as well.

Edit: Could any of you mods either confirm the fact that my IP hasn't changed or inform me how many computers I'm supposed to own? Because I got someone with issues claiming that it was I that circumvented the ban there, and I wanted negative proof - or an explanation for the "different IPs" they saw that doesn't amount to "Heikoku somehow has several computers, wheee".

Another edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address#Uses_of_dynamic_addressing

Dynamic IP addresses are most frequently assigned on LANs and broadband networks by Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) servers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_blocking

Dynamic allocation of IP addresses can complicate incoming IP blocking

Gee. What do you know.

Update:

WhinemoanlameattemptatinnocenceSTILLNOTSHUTTINGUPYOUCAN'TMAKEME

Two entirely different IP addys, and types of addys. Not the same as variables used by service providers, which our ban already covered. Nothing wrong with ban system, deliberate attempt at evading coupled with mocking, and baiting in chan - proven below, and by earlier claims of wanting to get back in there somehow and supposedly 'win' in your arguments. No, not going to publicly post your used IP's here out of common courtesy. We have them on record.

[11:14am] Heikoku: Meh. Re-ban me. Come on, you know you wanna. o_o

Bottom line is you're still in the wrong, and nobody cares about your continued bitching but you.

Although, in some respects it is all rather amusing to sit back and watch. We know nobody can shut you up. Nobody has tried to shut you up, in spite of what you claim. What you fail to grasp is that in continuing, you just shove that foot farther into your big never-to-be-shut yap. So by all means - keep going! Just don't choke, neh? Death by frothing impotently over online issues would be a terrible way to go.

Have a great night. And for the love of $deity, find something CONSTRUCTIVE to do with all this time you seem to have on your hands. ;)


PS: The mods here don't control the #Nationstates IRC channel, save for those few who have chanOpship there. Entirely separate entities who do not answer to one nother. IRC is there simply as a place for NS players to gather who wish to. Anyone can set up chans on any network for the same purpose, and many have. Whining here doesn't net you any points there, or vise versa.

Snip.

Prove it was deliberate. Prove I attempted to do it. Or quit making the bullshit claims.

And for the record, I want to get back in ANOTHER place, and have wanted for way BEFORE I was banned, as anyone can confirm by checking my history. And if I HAD the means to, I'd not be SAYING it even BEFORE I got banned, now would I?

Prove it wasn't. I have the IP addys. Do you? In any case, I can sum up this whole thread right here - and that's all there is to it:


BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW. (http://www.qis.net/~jschmitz/lj/butthurt3.jpg)


Don't let that keep you from aforementioned impotent frothing, mind. I lol'd. :D

Prove it wasn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

And yet:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13946886&postcount=69

I'm not arguing they SHOULD be met either. :tongue:

What I AM saying though is, as soon as I get a new IP, I will make a visit to a certain MIRC channel.

This is from almost a MONTH before I got banned from your channel. So either I had a whole lot of foresight, or you're wrong.

Today marked the second time I got called an anti-American by a moron in a MIRC chat, only to be banned soon after. And I'm able to tell that there ARE other morons who will hurl this, "you hate America" and similar tripe at their opponents.

So, rather than hoping (publicly) for their slow and painful deaths, I want to ask: What the hell is it with these people? Why can't they argue like normal people do, instead of "tread the line the commander-in-chimp has drawn or you're an America-hater"?

If they are THAT retarded, how come no one's euthanized them yet?

Watch out everyone. H2 who is not even American (he is from Brazil) says the most trollishly anti-american things and then when you say he is being anti-american he reports you to the mods. Do not fall for his cunning little trap. If I was the tattle tale sort that he is I would report this post to the mods. I am not going to stoop to his level but I wanted to warn you all about it.

Watch out everyone. H2 who is not even American (he is from Brazil) says the most trollishly anti-american things and then when you say he is being anti-american he reports you to the mods. Do not fall for his cunning little trap. If I was the tattle tale sort that he is I would report this post to the mods. I am not going to stoop to his level but I wanted to warn you all about it.

Actually, you won't report it to the mods because you know all of your claims are bullshit. And because you know that the OP post I made isn't in any way actionable. You claimed I was anti-American when I made a point against the war, and got rightly punished by the mods for flaming me more on moderation. End of story.

You will now stop trolling, you will flame me no further, and you are unable to prove I said anti-American things. These are the facts.

Actually, you won't report it to the mods because you know all of your claims are bullshit. And because you know that the OP post I made isn't in any way actionable. You claimed I was anti-American when I made a point against the war, and got rightly punished by the mods for flaming me more on moderation. End of story.

You will now stop trolling, you will flame me no further, and you are unable to prove I said anti-American things. These are the facts.

I can 100% prove that you said anti-american things. When I do so you will report me because you are a tattle tale and that sucks. You are not even an American so being called an anti-american should not get your panties in a bunch but they do or so you claim.

I can 100% prove that you said anti-american things.

Then you will do it or you will admit you can't and that you were just flamebaiting me. When people do something moddable to someone, that person reports them. Welcome to life on NSG. As for what ticks me off, that decision is not yours to control, so you will remark on it no further.

Just drop it. You're too easy to troll on that topic and you're turning into Fass. Just drop it.

Shouldn't
this thread
be dead
?

I agree Heikoku. You shouldn't have even acknowledged him with a response.

Just drop it. You're too easy to troll on that topic and you're turning into Fass. Just drop it.

I didn't flame him, did I? I'm within the rules, am I not? If a person trolls me on something, I report them. It's quite simple.

As for Fass, he had other characteristics which I do not, didn't he?

I didn't flame him, did I? I'm within the rules, am I not?

Yes you are within the rules, but you shouldn't even bother responding anyway. It just stokes the fire, and he'll keep on going at you since he gets a reaction. It's the basics of Anti-Trolling. Don't feed the Troll.

Then you will do it or you will admit you can't and that you were just flamebaiting me. When people do something moddable to someone, that person reports them. Welcome to life on NSG. As for what ticks me off, that decision is not yours to control, so you will remark on it no further.

Ok here is my proof:

You opposed America's war against Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party. This is a awar that had as its aims the elimination of a dictator who tried to assassinate a former U.S. president, and who committed and had henchmen commit vile crimes against human rights. This guy and his thugs raped, killed, tortured, and imprisoned political prisoners under horrible conditions. They beat and tortured and killed Olympic athletes that did not do as well as Uday Hussein wanted them to. These people were evil and we got rid of them. These people used acid to maim and kill political opponents. These people imprisoned lpeople in coffins with screens on the bottom to allow waste material to fall to the floor. The cruelty was just completely over the top.

This war ended this. Torture is not an American value. Torture is unAmerican and we fought a war to put a stop to it in Iraq. You opposed this war. Therefore your support of this evil and psychotic dictator is un-American. I say this knowing full well that you will run off to report me for being a flame or troll or whatever the lingo is. Basically, you will get me into trouble because I am saying something that you do not like and you will say that this is an ad hominem attack and one of your mod buddies will believe you again.

You got me red carded before and I did not appreciate that. But I shall not be silent in the face of some Brazillian who claims to be so upset when he is called un-American when he opposes a war that sought to bring human rights to a country that was horribly oppressed that attempted to assassinate a former president. I am unapologetic about my belief that torture is un-American. What you fail to realize is that America is more than a land it is an idea. It is the idea that government needs to be limited to protect freedom and human rights. The idea of torture is unAmerican. It is also unAmerican to try to kill Presidents and Former Presidents. They are a living symbol of America. Even former Presidents play an important role as former heads of state. It is less easy to explain why killing a former president is unAmerican but I know in my heart that it is. It is like the crime of murder mixed with the insult of burning the flag.

Ok here is my proof:

You opposed America's war against Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You hear this, everyone? He thinks this is PROOF!

And, even funnier, he thinks that opposing the war and supporting Saddam Hussein are one and the same.

Hee!

I mean, surely, if he weren't trying to make a joke, here, he'd just be putting up a shoddy lack of a point and calling it proof in a hopeless and vain attempt to shut me up about the undeniable mistake that the War in Iraq was.

Oh, wait, it's you, so you're serious...

And here I thought you were a good comedian.

Why so serious?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You hear this, everyone? He thinks this is PROOF!

And, even funnier, he thinks that opposing the war and supporting Saddam Hussein are one and the same.

Hee!

I mean, surely, if he weren't trying to make a joke, here, he'd just be putting up a shoddy lack of a point and calling it proof in a hopeless and vain attempt to shut me up about the undeniable mistake that the War in Iraq was.

Oh, wait, it's you, so you're serious...

And here I thought you were a good comedian.

Why so serious?

I do not even know why I bother responding to your posts. Number 1 it ususally results in me going before moderation. Number 2 you are so nasty that someone should really report you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

You hear this, everyone? He thinks this is PROOF!

And, even funnier, he thinks that opposing the war and supporting Saddam Hussein are one and the same.

Hee!

I mean, surely, if he weren't trying to make a joke, here, he'd just be putting up a shoddy lack of a point and calling it proof in a hopeless and vain attempt to shut me up about the undeniable mistake that the War in Iraq was.

Oh, wait, it's you, so you're serious...

And here I thought you were a good comedian.

Why so serious?

Ok smart guy, how is opposing opposing Saddam Hussein not supporting him? Is the world supposed to just ignore dictators and hope tha tthey go away? Yeah that works (sarcastic comment).

I do not even know why I bother responding to your posts. Number 1 it ususally results in me going before moderation. Number 2 you are so nasty that someone should really report you.

1- Nobody's putting a gun to your head.

2- Because you flame me and flamebait me.

3- Then why don't you? Feel free to mention why, too.

Ok smart guy, how is opposing opposing Saddam Hussein not supporting him? Is the world supposed to just ignore dictators and hope tha tthey go away? Yeah that works (sarcastic comment).

Oh, so the war was the only possible way to oppose Saddam Hussein then?

You will not make the claim that I support Hussein any further.

Oh, so the war was the only possible way to oppose Saddam Hussein then?

You will not make the claim that I support Hussein any further.

Why are you ending all of your posts with commands? Yes, war was the only way that worked. The oil for food just turned into a bunch of bribes and put money into the regime. The financial embargoes and no fly zones did not prevent retalliation against the Kurds after the persian gulf war. The war was the only thing that got Saddam out of there. Nothing else worked. Go ahead and tattle on me again.

Torture is not an American value.

Did I miss a memo somewhere?

1- Nobody's putting a gun to your head.

2- Because you flame me and flamebait me.

3- Then why don't you? Feel free to mention why, too.

I will not sink to your level and use a mod as a weapon against you. I will meet your nonsense with reason. I have faith in reason.

By the way, believing in the power of reason is an American thing to do. Our Constitution is a product of the reason-affirming philosophies of the Enlightenment.

Why are you ending all of your posts with commands?

They are not commands, they are statements.

And creating a false dichotomy between "war" and "oil for food" in order to claim I supported one or the other is a very transparent fallacy.

I have faith in reason.

Really? Well, then, feel free to use it instead of making false claims that, because I opposed the war, I am anti-American.

By the way, believing in the power of reason is an American thing to do.

Then, instead of using false dichotomies and false accusations, use reason.

Really? Well, then, feel free to use it instead of making false claims that, because I opposed the war, I am anti-American.

Ok how about if we back up and define "American". I propose that it is an idea encapsulates our ideals and values which include but are not limited to the following:

the celebration and promotion of the human rights listed in our Constitution
the advancement of our concepts of human rights abroad
the belief in transparent elections and the right to vote
the advancemnt of these political rights abroad
the belief in the value of economic liberty and the right to own private property
the advancement of our economic values abroad
the belief that man, if unfettered by tyranny, is the most efficient and creative force in world and in this state is able to provide the greatest degree of progress for society and for himself.
the belief that all of humanity is equal before the Lord and accordingly nobody should be enslaved or persecuted because of their political or religious beliefs or given benefit or disadvantage because of the color of their skin or where their parents came from.

If you really believe all of the above, you are not unAmerican. However, if you disagree with any of the above or in anyway seek to impede these ideals you are unAmerican because you are setting yourself against American ideals.

Ok how about if we back up and define "American". I propose that it is an idea encapsulates our ideals and values which include but are not limited to the following:

the celebration and promotion of the human rights listed in our Constitution
the advancement of our concepts of human rights abroad
the belief in transparent elections and the right to vote
the advancemnt of these political rights abroad
the belief in the value of economic liberty and the right to own private property
the advancement of our economic values abroad
the belief that man, if unfettered by tyranny, is the most efficient and creative force in world and in this state is able to provide the greatest degree of progress for society and for himself.
the belief that all of humanity is equal before the Lord and accordingly nobody should be enslaved or persecuted because of their political or religious beliefs or given benefit or disadvantage because of the color of their skin or where their parents came from.

If you really believe all of the above, you are not unAmerican. However, if you disagree wit hany of the above or in anyway seek to impede these ideals you are unAmerican because you are setting yourself against American ideals.

Not only that concept is not yours to define, if you claim that concept is what is "American", then you're stuck with quite a few times in history in which America was anti-American. Furthermore, being against the advancement of "Americanism" in the bottom of a gun barrel does not anti-American (or unAmerican) make. You claimed I was anti-American for being against the war in Iraq, and only that. You will prove that statement or withdraw it.

As for Fass, he had other characteristics which I do not, didn't he?

Quite. Unlike you, Fass was genuinely, and blindly, anti-American. And notoriously mean spirited. But, even more broadly, he was largely anti-Anglo, because those English speakers really got his goat...for whatever reason. I think he didn't like the language, because they made him learn it in elementary school (or its equivalent).

I think he didn't like the language, because they made him learn it in elementary school (or its equivalent).

And he spoke it WELL! o_o

Quite. Unlike you, Fass was genuinely, and blindly, anti-American. And notoriously mean spirited. But, even more broadly, he was largely anti-Anglo, because those English speakers really got his goat...for whatever reason. I think he didn't like the language, because they made him learn it in elementary school (or its equivalent).

Good old Fass...

Not only that concept is not yours to define, if you claim that concept is what is "American", then you're stuck with quite a few times in history in which America was anti-American. Furthermore, being against the advancement of "Americanism" in the bottom of a gun barrel does not anti-American (or unAmerican) make. You claimed I was anti-American for being against the war in Iraq, and only that. You will prove that statement or withdraw it.

American policy sometimes has been un-American. Government is a human institution and humans unlike angels have faults and defects.

Using military force as a vehicle for the spread of American ideals such as human rights is not an unAmerican thing to do. It is meeting the gun barrels of the tyrant with the gun barrels of liberators. Liberating the oppressed is a very American thing. This is actually an American thing to do and is what the patriots did during our revolutionary war.

This war against Saddam was a very American thing to do because we took on a bully (kind of like I am doing to you by sticking up for myself against your tattle tale efforts with the mods).

As a South American you undoubtedly are aware of very unAmerican things that we did south of our borders during the Cold War. We buddied up with fascist scumbag dictators because if we did not they would be buddies of the USSR. We did this all around the world. The fall of the USSR is the opportunity to purify our allegiances and realign our foreign policy with our American ideals. The war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the assistance to Liberia were a three prong effort by George Bush to do just that. I am no fan of Bush except for his foreign policy because his realigment of our foreign policy with our American ideals was exactly what I had been hoping to see since before the Cold War when we were in bed with some real slime balls and it was an insult to our ideals.

American policy sometimes has been un-American. Government is a human institution and humans unlike angels have faults and defects.

Using military force as a vehicle for the spread of American ideals such as human rights is not an unAmerican thing to do. It is meeting the gun barrels of the tyrant with the gun barrels of liberators. Liberating the oppressed is a very American thing. This is actually an American thing to do and is what the patriots did during our revolutionary war.

This war against Saddam was a very American thing to do because we took on a bully (kind of like I am doing to you by sticking up for myself against your tattle tale efforts with the mods).

As a South American you undoubtedly are aware of very unAmerican things that we did south of our borders during the Cold War. We buddied up with fascist scumbag dictators because if we did not they would be buddies of the USSR. We did this all around the world. The fall of the USSR is the opportunity to purify our allegiances and realign our foreign policy with our American ideals. The war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the assistance to Liberia were a three prong effort by George Bush to do just that. I am no fan of Bush except for his foreign policy because his realigment of our foreign policy with our American ideals was exactly what I had been hoping to see since before the Cold War when we were in bed with some real slime balls and it was an insult to our ideals.

1- Prove I'm a bully.

2- Prove being against forcing democracy at gunpoint is anti-American.

Quite. Unlike you, Fass was genuinely, and blindly, anti-American. And notoriously mean spirited. But, even more broadly, he was largely anti-Anglo, because those English speakers really got his goat...for whatever reason. I think he didn't like the language, because they made him learn it in elementary school (or its equivalent).

And don't forget to add "Self-absorned attention whore who would butt into just about any thread no matter its irrelevance to world politics just to declare to the world He Doesn't Care and that America Sucks."

1- Prove I'm a bully.

2- Prove being against forcing democracy at gunpoint is anti-American.

You are a tattle tale. You report people that disagree with you. You even reported me to mods when I warned others of your shinannigans. I will not be bullied into submission by you because cowardice in the face of adversity is unAmerican.

Quit telling me to do stuff and just respond to my arguments.

2- Prove being against forcing democracy at gunpoint is anti-American.

You are either for human rights or you are for dictatorship. There is no middle ground. If diplomacy does not change things after 10 years the Iraqis deserve our military support so they do not need to waste another generation under tyranny.

You are a tattle tale. You report people that disagree with you. You even reported me to mods when I warned others of your shinannigans. I will not be bullied into submission by you because cowardice in the face of adversity is unAmerican.

Quit telling me to do stuff and just respond to my arguments.

I didn't report you because you disagreed with me, I reported you because you flamed me, baited me and trolled. It is I that will not be bullied into submission by people like YOU trying to shut me up by calling me anti-American! NEVER AGAIN!

And he spoke it WELL! o_o

I know! He was great with the language...I don't get why it pissed him off so much :(

You are either for human rights or you are for dictatorship. There is no middle ground. If diplomacy does not change things after 10 years the Iraqis deserve our military support so they do not need to waste another generation under tyranny.

Such as the human right not to have your country invaded on trumped-up charges? That was not military support, that was slaughter.

I didn't report you because you disagreed with me, I reported you because you flamed me, baited me and trolled. It is I that will not be bullied into submission by people like YOU trying to shut me up by calling me anti-American! NEVER AGAIN!

Then defend yourself with argument!! Brazillian, you will now explain how you are American and not unAmerican. Keep in mind that I believe that anyone is capable of being American if you share our ideals.

I know! He was great with the language...I don't get why it pissed him off so much :(

Well, I'm pretty good at Maths (better at English, though, why I'm a translator), but I don't like it much - both facts stem from having a VERY demanding teacher back in the day.

Such as the human right not to have your country invaded on trumped-up charges? That was not military support, that was slaughter.

Are you saying that Iraq never attempted to assasinate a former president? Are you saying that Iraq never violated the treaty? Are you saying that Iraq never violated human rights after the treaty? Are you saying that every one of 16 or so points authorizing the use of military force were trumped up charges?

Such as the human right not to have your country invaded on trumped-up charges? That was not military support, that was slaughter.

Someone like you should report you to the mods for such trolling and flamebait.

Then defend yourself with argument!! Brazillian, you will now explain how you are American and not unAmerican. Keep in mind that I believe that anyone is capable of being American if you share our ideals.

They are NOT American ideals, they are YOUR notions of ideals. You do not have the monopoly of the definition of the words "American", "anti-American", and so on. Furthermore, again you try to pull the false dichotomy crapola because I dared oppose that unfair, unjust, stupid, WRONG war that America had no right ever to wage. I don't want to be "American" or "unAmerican" or "anti-American". I want to WIN A DEBATE WITHOUT HAVING TO FACE PEOPLE WIELDING BUZZWORDS TO TRY TO SHUT ME UP! CAN I?

Well, I'm pretty good at Maths (better at English, though, why I'm a translator), but I don't like it much - both facts stem from having a VERY demanding teacher back in the day.

Something of which I, too, am guilty. If a teacher bothered me, I associated their awfulness with the subject--and my future desire to make significant effort in it was doomed.

Someone like you should report you to the mods for such trolling and flamebait.

Then I will.

Edit: Done! Let's see what they think, shall we?

They are NOT American ideals, they are YOUR notions of ideals. You do not have the monopoly of the definition of the words "American", "anti-American", and so on. Furthermore, again you try to pull the false dichotomy crapola because I dared oppose that unfair, unjust, stupid, WRONG war that America had no right ever to wage. I don't want to be "American" or "unAmerican" or "anti-American". I want to WIN A DEBATE WITHOUT HAVING TO FACE PEOPLE WIELDING BUZZWORDS TO TRY TO SHUT ME UP! CAN I?

You are wrong as well as deluded. I am an American and I was an excellent student of American history. I did not come up with our ideals in a vaccuum. You are a Brazillian who does not address the issues but instead runs to mods to use them as weapons against those who try to point out to you that you are incorrect. For example, you never once addressed all of the points authorizing the use of military force but you more than once sought help from the mods. Disgusting and shameful!

Then I will.

I will begin to admire you if you report yourself to the mods for using the mods as weapons against others.

You are wrong as well as deluded. I am an American and I was an excellent student of American history. I did not come up with our ideals in a vaccuum. You are a Brazillian who does not address the issues but instead runs to mods to use them as weapons against those who try to point out to you that you are incorrect. For example, you never once addressed all of the points authorizing the use of military force but you more than once sought help from the mods. Disgusting and shameful!

You call me anti-American offhand for opposing the Iraq War, and YOU claim I wasn't addressing the issues? The UN never authorized the war, and you know it. Furthermore, YOU are the one flaming ME. And I even helped you out by reporting MYSELF, as you seemed to want.

I probably should have advised a cooling of the jets...but I got to wrapped up in griping about Fass...

I will begin to admire you if you report yourself to the mods for using the mods as weapons against others.

And I will begin to tolerate you if you stop using buzzwords to flame and bait people, but non omnia possumus omnes.

You call me anti-American offhand for opposing the Iraq War, and YOU claim I wasn't addressing the issues? The UN never authorized the war, and you know it. Furthermore, YOU are the one flaming ME. And I even helped you out by reporting MYSELF, as you seemed to want.

I proved that you are unAmerican as you asked me to. You never once defended yourself as American. I am impressed and surprised that you apply your own tattling policy to yourself. I have to go now. I will check back tomorrow.

I proved that you are unAmerican

No, you did not.

I am impressed and surprised that you apply your own tattling policy to yourself.

The reasons why I did so likely went right over your head, though.

I probably should have advised a cooling of the jets...but I got to wrapped up in griping about Fass...

Well, I'm still within the rules, am I not?

Though Glorious Freedonia is indeed correct in his declaration about Heikoku recently becoming awfully comfterable using the mods as weapons, if Ardchoille's ruling from the other day means anything:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14031205&postcount=10

Heikoku, you've already come too close in the thread to using mods as weapons. Cut it out and don't transfer it here.

Then defend yourself with argument!! Brazillian, you will now explain how you are American and not unAmerican. Keep in mind that I believe that anyone is capable of being American if you share our ideals.

This is probably the stupidest thing I've read all week.

God bless you.

Though Glorious Freedonia is indeed correct in his declaration about Heikoku recently becoming awfully comfterable using the mods as weapons, if Ardchoille's ruling from the other day means anything:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14031205&postcount=10

Which, unless you're trying to make the claim that I am in this case, has no bearing on this thread whatsoever.

This is probably the stupidest thing I've read all week.

God bless you.

Yah, That is pretty damn funny.

Which, unless you're trying to make the claim that I am in this case, has no bearing on this thread whatsoever.
It's an insight into your posting personality, dear South American.

It's an insight into your posting personality, dear South American.

I have several insights into yours, which I post as needed, as opposed to in random threads. Feel free to do the same.

Hate to break it to you, Heikou, but you in fact are un-(North, as in the United States)American.
You are Brazillian, ipso facto. :p
Notice that I did not say that you are anti-American.
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Joking aside, America does happen to have the right to declare war on another country. In fact, every country can declare war on another country. Signed papers are all fine and well, but who's really going to stop America?

Hate to break it to you, Heikou, but you in fact are un-(North, as in the United States)American.
You are Brazillian, ipso facto. :p
Notice that I did not say that you are anti-American.
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Joking aside, America does happen to have the right to declare war on another country. In fact, every country can declare war on another country. Signed papers are all fine and well, but who's really going to stop America?

*Groans at the joke, but is amused inwardly*
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You knew what I meant in that one case: America had as much ethical right to declare war on Iraq under those conditions as Germany had to declare it on Poland - and legally it had as much as well, since Germany ALSO ignored treaties.

*Groans at the joke, but is amused inwardly*I knew it! :p
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You knew what I meant in that one case: America had as much ethical right to declare war on Iraq under those conditions as Germany had to declare it on Poland - and legally, as wellas well, since Germany ALSO ignored treaties.The war is legal, by law, in the United States.

I knew it! :p
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The war is legal, by law, in the United States.

Yes, as it was in Germany. Or, to avoid running into a Godwin, in Japan with China.

Yes, as it was in Germany. Or, to avoid running into a Godwin, in Japan with China. Yet we're still at war. For all the disagreement with it, nobody's actually done anything. The words ''hot air'' come to mind.

Yet we're still at war. For all the disagreement with it, nobody's actually done anything. The words ''hot air'' come to mind.

But that is because you have the might, not because you have the right. And at any rate, I'm not sure "nobody" has done anything. The insurgents have, after all, done IN almost 5,000 of your soldiers. Now, I don't support THEIR means of doing anything, but SOMETHING they did.

And at any rate, I'm not sure "nobody" has done anything. The insurgents have, after all, done IN almost 5,000 of your soldiers. Yes, but we're destroying (or attempting to, anyway) their way of life. It's only natural that they fight back, yes?
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I'm out, have a nice night.