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That jar was NOT 8qts, not even close. If the aunt got one to of rice it wouldn't have all fit in that bag. The majority of the rice she kept for her and her family and lodger. which (at that time) still included Seita and his sister.

Nope:
http://www.nausicaa.net/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_%28synopsis_-_Page_5%29 pg 4

The aunt is doing dishes when they return, having apparently missed dinner. After he and Setsuko walk past, Seita whispers, "That food looked good." He grimaces at his hunger pangs.
she cooked for them, they were not there for dinner.

On a rainy day, about a week and a half later, Seita is reading a graphic novel as Setsuko draws on and cuts up old newspapers. The aunt walks in and asks Seita if there isn't anything he should be doing, like going to school or going to work. Seita explains that the steelworks he had been working at was bombed, and his school burned down. She asks him if he's written his father yet, and he says that he did that just after they moved in. The aunt wonders about that, since they should have received a reply by then. As she leaves, she tells Setsuko to return the scissors as soon as she's done.
about a week or so later, what is Seita doing?

and the aunt's comment about going to school or work indicates that Seita is doing nothing.

and no indication that rice broth was all they were getting.

and if you look on the picture, notice the size of the bag and the size of the jar, you can guestimate it would be about half that she left them.

now here's a question. why did the aunt sell their mother's kimonos if Seita still had money (that you said he paid the farmer for after they left?)

and chapter six
The aunt has made rice for Seita and Setsuko, but she's still badgering them, though with a little less intensity. "With my daughter and our lodger working overtime so much," she says sweetly, "I've felt bad not having rice to give them." Setsuko asks for seconds. "You're just gobbling it down, aren't you?"
so they were getting rice from time to time and the aunt makes another hint to seita about helping out.



To enroll in a school in Japan, one has to have a certain amount of paperwork. For Japanese citizens (Which in war time Japan there were no other) this would be the family registry. Said family registries would be, at that time, on file with both the local ward office and the Shinto shrine that the family was registered to. Neither of which probably survived the firebombing, not to mention were in Kobe as opposed to wherever they went to. ok, that explains why they didn't show Seita even attempting to go to school... what of work?

He hung them up, showing he was doing chores around the house. I'll admit that it might show he was doing other people's laundry as well.


Yes, I can. In 1948 report by the Ministry of Health and Welfare put the number of war orphans and homeless children at 123,510, of whom 28,248 had lost their parents in air raids. Osaragi Jiro, a Japanese author noted for his humanism responded as to why these kids lived in railroad stations, under trestles and overpasses, and in abandoned ruins instead of being cared for by the people around them or the state; that the state lacked the funds, but on reflection he realized that this was not right and that, in fact, it was because Japanese as a people just have no love towards strangers. He, himself, was no exception and the great humanist had no desire to take these filthy urchins in to try and straighten them out. It took years, JuNii for some of these orphans to reintegrate into the system and even then they were forever stigmatized as orphans. As for the lack of food part, well, at the end of the war, at a government repartition center, an average of 15 children a day were dying from malnutrition*. That was just one center, run on the grid as it were. Compare this to Seita and Setsuko who were off it.

Yeah, this was indeed happening in Japan

*All the above information BTW is from Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II by John W. Dower point conceded.


No, in the middle.

http://www.nausicaa.net/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_%28synopsis_-_Page_6%29
Said while still at their aunt's, contrasted with:

http://www.nausicaa.net/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_%28synopsis_-_Page_10%29
So obviously he had withdrawn the money beforehand while at his aunt's house. This is what he used to buy things with.

query. if he had that money, why wasn't it used to help with the aunt getting food? why sell the kimono's if they had the money.

Nope, right in the middle, right after the scene with the boys who find their shelter.
http://www.nausicaa.net/w/images/e/e2/Grave_script_english.txt


After, look at this line:
(At the farm, Seita is returning the cart.)

SEITA Thank you.
MAN Just leave it around there.
SEITA Ahm... Can you sell me a little more hay and something that
can be a side-dish? [ALT: part of dinner]
MAN Sure... I only have what I have though...

While not the same farmer, it's obvious that they have been buying food with money or trading the remainder of their mother's things to eat.

Not at all, given the Japanese used. In this case it's a matter of the Japanese term not quite equating with the English, the meaning is clear enough, they don't have enough to give either by trade or cash. Furthermore, their is the meaning where the farmer is also noting that they cannot even manage the distribution quotas for the food rations, this was quite normal for the end of the war.


Yes, he did. Once again,

The scene, one that a Japanese audience would key in on immediately is one where Seita has been told that he cannot buy food there. He is asking, in Japanese fashion, why his money is no good, noting that he no longer has any goods to trade and hoping the farmer will reconsider. This is confirmed by this line:

[QUOTE=NERVUN;13870388]Now if Seita just asked for food, why on earth would the farmer say I'm not talking about kimono or money? Obviously here Seita had been offering money for food and the farmer is letting him know there is no food to be had at any price. There's no evidence that Seita was just asking for food without offering money in exchange but a lot of evidence that he was paying for it, at least at this point in time. so seita was paying for the food with money he kept from his Aunt, money the aunt could've used (and they did use) to buy food. and trading other things that his aunt didn't trade off. yet how much food did they get? was it more or less that what the Aunt got from his mother's kimonos? how can you say that what the aunt got and gave them wasn't equal or at least fair? The Aunt said she might be able to get a Toh of rice, but how much rice did she actually get?

If you cared about a child, would you really accept a junior high school kid's decision to run away with his younger sister in the middle of a war when he admits that he has no plan of action? Of course not. no, but then I wouldn't just watch that same child sit and do nothing where there are things that can be done. so in that respect, I blame both seita and the aunt.


JuNii, as powerful as that storm was, it was not the destruction wrought by the firebombing of Kobe which destroyed half the city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Kobe_in_World_War_II Nor did you have to see your mother die while wrapped in bloody bandages (At least I hope not). Nor were you forced to move in with a distant non-bloody relative who obviously didn't care what you were going through.

As you said yourself, you had adults there to help you out with the storm damage, Seita had no one. Two points. 1) I said it was nothing compared to the war.
and 2) Yes I had adults to help me out, and so did Seita. the difference is that I helped the adults out, did Seita?

We don't know any of those, we do know that the man seen was a lodger, not Seita's uncle, but we don't know his situation or how long the children were there. according to your Wiki source, Several weeks.

Really? How about this then:


They were in the bath, Auntie 'forgot' to give them dinner.

they were in the bath, then took their time going back home. as noted by your wiki synopsis.

That night Seita takes a bath with Setsuko at another person's house. Afterwards, they walk outside and are surrounded by fireflies and the sound of bullfrogs. Setsuko chases after a firefly, but misses it. Seita picks one up from a tall blade of grass. He shows it to Setsuko, cupped carefully in his hand. Setsuko takes it and accidentally squashes it. Seita catches another one and holds it out to Setsuko. It flies away before she can grab it.

As they walk home, the air becomes filled with fireflies. They stop to stare at them. Seita tells his sister to close her eyes and say, "Ah," then reaches into his pocket and pulls out some of the fruit drops. He puts one in Setsuko's mouth. She recognizes the taste, and starts dancing around, shouting "Fruit drop," so excitedly that she almost swallows it.

The aunt is doing dishes when they return, having apparently missed dinner. After he and Setsuko walk past, Seita whispers, "That food looked good." He grimaces at his hunger pangs.

and note that the Aunt herself was eating the dregs. so that indicates that what she prepared may not have been enough (rationing). so you expect her to hold food for people who were late coming home from another person's house without thinking that they were being fed there?

Wouldn't you want to take care of your sister, make her happy? Try to make it so that things were back to the way they were before the terrible event? I would, but I would include my aunt, and the other lodgers who would also need a break from the stress. but then I would think of others, even if they thought less of me.

or I would at least try to harvest some salt or even try to catch some fish to bring back.

Wouldn't you be? At the beginning of the film, during the firebombing, their mother says something to the effect that if anything happens to them (The children) she could never face their father. Seita makes the same claim later on, echoing her words and showing his commitment to his sister. and his commitment to his sister was never disputed by me.

And again, this is a boy being forced to be an adult. It's unfair to expect him to be so or to do so, especially without any adult guidance to help him out. but guidance was there. had it occured to have him ask the aunt what he could do to help out? what about asking the other lodgers?


And he pointed out that his school was gone along with the place where he worked. Did she offer to help him with the authorities who have less than no time for children, especially war orphans? Did she offer sympathy to him for the loss of his mother? Did she give the food she got from their mother's things to them equally? No. She did nothing but bark out useless phrases. agreed, the aunt was going though alot of stress also. (never claimed the Aunt innocent in this.)
did he share his money to help the aunt out with obtaining food? no.
how much food did they get from Seito Mother's kimono? was her kimonos the ONLY thing they sold? what were the other lodgers doing to be fed by the Aunt and why wasn't seita following their examples?

All of those kids had parents or other caring relatives, Seita had none. What is an adult to do but teach and guide children? Children aren't just born with these ideas after all, they must be taught and learned like everything else and Seita had no teacher to help him. didn't you say that seita worked at a steel factory while going to school? so wouldn't that indicate that Seita knows the value of working hard? Seita gave the food he saved to the Aunt, so we know Seita knows how to share.
Seita also made mention of rationing of salt and other food. so he knew that food was hard to come by, so why did he withhold his money from the Aunt? why didn't he try to go out and find work?

Notice that the Aunt was badgering HIM about working. so we know that she wasn't expecting the same thing from his sister.

And in India there are outcast children who die from malnutrition everyday as well. More of them than the ones running banks I am more than willing to wager. Saying that there are extraordinary children means nothing for the masses who are not gifted or lucky. It's like saying that everyone can be as rich as Bill Gates, well, no, it doesn't work that way. ah, but there are alot of children in India helping their families during tough times. so saying that one cannot expect children to shoulder responsiblity is also wrong.

Not there in the script. That scene plays out like so:
(Another day. The body of Seita and Setsuko's mother is being carried
out for cremation.)

MAN1 We can't take off the bandage. It's better not to look at
the body.
MAN2 With this heat...
MAN1 We have to use trucks starting today.
MAN3 Your sister... What did you do with her?
SEITA I left her with our distant relative in Nishinomiya. We had
arrangements for us to stay there in case we got burned out
<of our home>.
MAN3 Is that so? That's good. Well, I have duties, so I'll leave
you here. Take care. [LT: Be well.]
not that part. Either shortly before or after that. two women were talking.

I'd say he did blame himself. Remember, he took Setsuko's ashes with him, he left his mother's ashes back in the shelter. it could be interpreted that way, but keeping the ashes does not generally indicate guilt. however, It can be, so I won't argue against that interpretation.

Given that just about everyone who watches Grave of the Fireflies comes out in tears and finds extreme sympathy with Seita... I think it's just you. ;) never claimed it wasn't just me. ;)

That's what happens when you pick a fight with a former grad student, we LOVE to over analyze things. :p I love to analyse stories and movies. :tongue:

Hmm, just saw two episodes of Gurren Lagann on the Sci-Fi channel. And I can't say I'm too enthused with it, to be honest.

Yeah, I missed 99% of those because the dialogue moves so fast. I did catch a couple, like the Gurren Lagann reference.I paused the video quite a bit; adding about 15 minutes of viewing time ;)

On the subject of Japan-amation,
and while there are some which are not offensive, they are very few.Either you haven't seen a broad range of anime, or you take offense really easily. I've seen plenty of anime less offensive than, say, Tom and Jerry. The anime aimed at young children is fairly inoffensive, those aimed at teens may go a bit further, and those aimed at adults can raise the bar some more. It's just that the latter two markets are much greater there than they are here.

those aimed at adults can raise the bar some more.

I think Elfen Lied raised the bar a fair bit. Especially the portrayal of humans as more inhuman than the non-humans which are supposed to be more monstrous. It's a nice touch which, given the kind of stuff we hear about these days (the inhumanity part), is rather plausible.

Hmm, just saw two episodes of Gurren Lagann on the Sci-Fi channel. And I can't say I'm too enthused with it, to be honest.
What about Now and Then, Here and There? I won't spoil it for you, but *evil grin* it gets worse for Shu before it gets better.

I think Elfen Lied raised the bar a fair bit. Especially the portrayal of humans as more inhuman than the non-humans which are supposed to be more monstrous. It's a nice touch which, given the kind of stuff we hear about these days (the inhumanity part), is rather plausible.

It's one of the things I love about the series. Lucy didn't start as a monster, but was made into one by monstrous things being done to her.

There are a handful of manga I enjoy, several that I wander through in the hopes that they'll get better and many many more than make my brain bleed just thinking about them. Trinity Blood and Angel Sanctuary are my favorites, though.

And I don't watch anime. Ever. It's not worth my time, my money or the indignation of seeing beautiful artwork and plot lines destroyed to push out 26 more episodes of garbage and filler.

Hmm, just saw two episodes of Gurren Lagann on the Sci-Fi channel. And I can't say I'm too enthused with it, to be honest.

Sub or dub? I've only ever seen the subs so I don't know how good or bad the dub is. And give it another ep or two.

I paused the video quite a bit; adding about 15 minutes of viewing time ;)

I watched it with a group so pausing wasn't really an option.

It's one of the things I love about the series. Lucy didn't start as a monster, but was made into one by monstrous things being done to her.

I just watched the first ep of Elfin Lied. Not sure what to make of it. I'm not really a fan of the darker stories, except Higurashi, and I don't like Higurashi because it's dark, I like it because it's a complete mindfuck. So I guess I'll watch the second ep of Elfin Lied and see how it is, but it hasn't really grabbed me as interesting.

Sub or dub? I've only ever seen the subs so I don't know how good or bad the dub is. And give it another ep or two.

The dub, though I don't know if it will make that much of a difference unless the sub was much less goofy.

Sub or dub? I've only ever seen the subs so I don't know how good or bad the dub is. And give it another ep or two.



I watched it with a group so pausing wasn't really an option.



I just watched the first ep of Elfin Lied. Not sure what to make of it. I'm not really a fan of the darker stories, except Higurashi, and I don't like Higurashi because it's dark, I like it because it's a complete mindfuck. So I guess I'll watch the second ep of Elfin Lied and see how it is, but it hasn't really grabbed me as interesting.

If you don't like darker stories, why on earth would you watch Elfen Lied? I mean, it does have a lot of really heartwarming moments too, and I like the contrast, but it is a fucked up series.

The dub, though I don't know if it will make that much of a difference unless the sub was much less goofy.

Define "goofy". I mean, the sub was...well, goofy defines it pretty well, I suppose, but in a fun sort of way, not a stupid way.

EDIT: Found the dub on Youtube. Yeah, that's goofy. In a horrible, horrible way. I suggest finding the sub on Youtube and give that a shot.

If you don't like darker stories, why on earth would you watch Elfen Lied? I mean, it does have a lot of really heartwarming moments too, and I like the contrast, but it is a fucked up series.

I've heard a lot about it, and I do like mind-fucks. And "fucked up" describes Higurashi pretty damn well and I liked it, so I thought I'd give EL a shot. I've only watched the first ep as it is, though.

Define "goofy". I mean, the sub was...well, goofy defines it pretty well, I suppose, but in a fun sort of way, not a stupid way.



I've heard a lot about it, and I do like mind-fucks. And "fucked up" describes Higurashi pretty damn well and I liked it, so I thought I'd give EL a shot. I've only watched the first ep as it is, though.

EL is mainly a juxtaposition of heartwarming and horrific material, and a look at both good and bad things about how people treat each other. It's not a huge philosophical mind-fuck the way some things are, it just has a couple main themes that it portrays in stark terms.

This thread is now about lolicon.

This thread is now about lolicon.

OOH! I want a strawberry one! :D

Something has been bugging me for a few days now and I am sure that you guys can help me.

There was a show that was popular (at least in Australia) about 8 years ago, now I can't remember what it is called and I hope you can.

The basic premise of the show was that people used 'robots' which had 'souls' of their own, people would use these to 'robots' which all had a shape and characteristics of an animal, to fight. I remember that there was a civil war going on between the republican forces and another group. Later episodes after the war was won showed the main characters entering into competitions where they would fight against other competitors.

I can't even remember the name of the main characters but I seem to remember that the main 'robot' was a saber tooth tiger (or maybe not) and he had a smaller 'robot' that could separate from the 'robot' and he looked more like a small dinosaur something like a Velociraptor (if I remember my dinosaurs correctly)

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I love Anime but don't get to watch it as often as I used to.

Actually another question I have is why did Full Metal Alchemist change to Full Metal Panic? I heard about this only today, yes it has been awhile since I saw the show and I enjoyed it but I know I am way out of the loop.

Actually another question I have is why did Full Metal Alchemist change to Full Metal Panic?Err, it didn't? They're two different shows that just happen to have "full metal" in their title.

This thread is now about lolicon.

No, it's not.

Something has been bugging me for a few days now and I am sure that you guys can help me.

There was a show that was popular (at least in Australia) about 8 years ago, now I can't remember what it is called and I hope you can.

The basic premise of the show was that people used 'robots' which had 'souls' of their own, people would use these to 'robots' which all had a shape and characteristics of an animal, to fight. I remember that there was a civil war going on between the republican forces and another group. Later episodes after the war was won showed the main characters entering into competitions where they would fight against other competitors.

I can't even remember the name of the main characters but I seem to remember that the main 'robot' was a saber tooth tiger (or maybe not) and he had a smaller 'robot' that could separate from the 'robot' and he looked more like a small dinosaur something like a Velociraptor (if I remember my dinosaurs correctly)

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I love Anime but don't get to watch it as often as I used to.

Actually another question I have is why did Full Metal Alchemist change to Full Metal Panic? I heard about this only today, yes it has been awhile since I saw the show and I enjoyed it but I know I am way out of the loop.

Zoids: Chaotic Century and its sequel, Guardian Force. Or New Century Zero, which takes place long after Guardian Force (where Zoids aren't used for war, they're used for competitions). I used to like New Century Zero a long-ass time ago and just haven't seen it since. Couldn't really get into Chaotic Century, because I think the story is a bit cliche (boy finds one-of-a-kind robot, and then a girl-in-a-box. I mean, Gurren Lagann does the same thing but Gurren Lagann is fucking epic so I don't mind).

No, it's not.

http://53rg10.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nanoha-ped.jpg


(I've actually seen a bit of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. It's silly.)

Vampire Princess Miyu


Strangely (?), probably my favourite anime title. :)

Err, it didn't? They're two different shows that just happen to have "full metal" in their title.

Oh ok, I was misinformed than, excellent.

Zoids: Chaotic Century and its sequel, Guardian Force. Or New Century Zero, which takes place long after Guardian Force (where Zoids aren't used for war, they're used for competitions). I used to like New Century Zero a long-ass time ago and just haven't seen it since. Couldn't really get into Chaotic Century, because I think the story is a bit cliche (boy finds one-of-a-kind robot, and then a girl-in-a-box. I mean, Gurren Lagann does the same thing but Gurren Lagann is fucking epic so I don't mind).

ZOIDS, yes that is it, man I just couldn't remember what the hell it was, thanks yes I enjoyed Chaotic Century and the sequel was alright but I never did see a lot of those episodes. Cheers.

This thread is now about lolicon.

Oh, goddammit, way to ruin the thread.

(I've actually seen a bit of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha. It's silly.)Nothing wrong with silly.
I watched all three series. The first two are fairly typical magical girl anime; the third one is aimed more at teens, with more action, plot and less magical girliness. And I've certainly seen worse: I've seen sailor moon. Of course that was so badly dubbed it was hilarious; so still worth seeing.

Define "goofy". I mean, the sub was...well, goofy defines it pretty well, I suppose, but in a fun sort of way, not a stupid way.

EDIT: Found the dub on Youtube. Yeah, that's goofy. In a horrible, horrible way. I suggest finding the sub on Youtube and give that a shot.
Goofy? Galaxy Express 999 Dubbed by FHC or some children's video company...

The main character's original name is Tetsuo Hoshino.
the name that company 'gave' him? Joey Hanna Tanana Bubby Kanana Smith.

they Released Robotech: Do You Remember Love? as "Attack of the Bioroids" and the enthusiastic Minmei fan sounded more like someone who just remembered the name of the singer. and her scream as she fell for miles sounded more like she was presented with a mouse for her christmas present.

yeah, I hate dubbed.

I've heard a lot about it, and I do like mind-fucks. And "fucked up" describes Higurashi pretty damn well and I liked it, so I thought I'd give EL a shot. I've only watched the first ep as it is, though.mind fucks? did you see Perfect Blue?

mind fucks? did you see Perfect Blue?

I did. I love Perfect Blue. :)

Whenever someone describes 'anime' to me as being something 'they don't like', and I point out that that's like saying "I don't like movies", and that it's as broad a spectrum as any other medium - Perfect Blue is usually one of the choices I cite. :)

Oh, goddammit, way to ruin the thread.

HA HA HA! (http://www.fivefourteen.net/motivational-posters/lolicon.jpg)

I did. I love Perfect Blue. :)

Whenever someone describes 'anime' to me as being something 'they don't like', and I point out that that's like saying "I don't like movies", and that it's as broad a spectrum as any other medium - Perfect Blue is usually one of the choices I cite. :)

oh yeah... or the "Anime is nothing but Tenticle sex" crowd.

Can you see Perfect Blue as some Hollywood movie?

oh yeah... or the "Anime is nothing but Tenticle sex" crowd.

Can you see Perfect Blue as some Hollywood movie?

I could. If... David Lynch directed, maybe. :)

yeah, I hate dubbed.

I don't hate dubs for the sake of hating dubs. But when I heard them call Simon "See-moan" that was a good indication that the dub is bad. Yes, that's pretty much how it's pronounced in Japanese. But it's Simon in English.

mind fucks? did you see Perfect Blue?

Can't say I have. What's it about? Without spoiling, if you can.

But I have seen Serial Experiment Lain. And Eva.

But does the dubbing really make that much of a difference? So far it seems firmly in the wacky comedy category to me.

I don't hate dubs for the sake of hating dubs. But when I heard them call Simon "See-moan" that was a good indication that the dub is bad. Yes, that's pretty much how it's pronounced in Japanese. But it's Simon in English. there's only a few studios that can afford to do them properly.

Can't say I have. What's it about? Without spoiling, if you can.

But I have seen Serial Experiment Lain. And Eva.
hmmm... synopsis without spoilers.
a Pop Idol Singer Mima Kirigoe attempts a career change into the world of acting. She manages to get a leading role in a direct to video project that has her playing a Rape Victim.

Of course, some of her fans are upset with her leaving the music biz. but when a stalker who knows too much about Mima and several people on the set start dying, She finds that the line between reality and fantasy start to blur and she begins to question her role in the grisley deaths.

But does the dubbing really make that much of a difference? So far it seems firmly in the wacky comedy category to me.

It's definitely not a wacky comedy. Try it with the subs and watch it at least until episode 8. If you still think it's a comedy, well...Can't help you there.

there's only a few studios that can afford to do them properly.

Yeah, but this is Gainax! They can afford good dubbers! Although, I suppose Gainax isn't the one releasing it outside of Japan. Meh.


hmmm... synopsis without spoilers.
a Pop Idol Singer Mima Kirigoe attempts a career change into the world of acting. She manages to get a leading role in a direct to video project that has her playing a Rape Victim.

Of course, some of her fans are upset with her leaving the music biz. but when a stalker who knows too much about Mima and several people on the set start dying, She finds that the line between reality and fantasy start to blur and she begins to question her role in the grisley deaths.

Sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out. And you say it's a good mind-fuck?

Yeah, but this is Gainax! They can afford good dubbers! Although, I suppose Gainax isn't the one releasing it outside of Japan. Meh. they can, but are they paying for good dubbers? :tongue:

Sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out. And you say it's a good mind-fuck?
I liked it.

they can, but are they paying for good dubbers? :tongue:

Well, they shelled out for Eva and FLCL.

Well, they shelled out for Eva and FLCL.

... we need a good GAG smiliey.... :p

but then again, I loved the Original Voices for FLCL and Eva.

Anime: Juuni Kokki
Manga: Eden

... we need a good GAG smiliey.... :p

but then again, I loved the Original Voices for FLCL and Eva.

Even if the Japanese voices were better, you have to admit that the English voices aren't bad.

Even if the Japanese voices were better, you have to admit that the English voices aren't bad.

as I said, Some studios do it right. :tongue:

It's definitely not a wacky comedy. Try it with the subs and watch it at least until episode 8. If you still think it's a comedy, well...Can't help you there.

Well, maybe I'll give it a try.

Well, maybe I'll give it a try.

I'm not trying to bother you or anything, I'd just hate for you to miss out on a good anime because of a crappy dub. Incidentally, I recommend Black-Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLNimWmOKME) subs.

oh yeah... or the "Anime is nothing but Tenticle sex" crowd.

Heh, I know what you mean, a rather annoying misconception.

don't read manga and don't watch anime

I've seen it; and I quite liked it too.
Different from most anime I've seen, though. But then variation is the spice of life.

I particularly like fansubs. One thing I like about fansubs is that they often add in extra information; like, spice and wolf had some excerpt from the light novel, and sayonara zetsubo sensei had the character names explained as well as all the little jokes on signs/blackboard translated. And of course, even despite occasionally bad spelling and awkward translation, you can just feel the love that went into fansubs.
Some of the professional subs, in general, I have to wonder if they even watched what they're translating.

I too vastly prefer the fansubs. It's sad when fans do a better job than the people who are being PAID to subtitle the anime.

One of the most beautiful manga I´ve ever read was called Alichino. But I don´t remember the name of the author.:(

One of the most beautiful manga I´ve ever read was called Alichino. But I don´t remember the name of the author.:(

Kouyu Shurei.


Very reminiscent of Vampire Princess Miyu. Kinda.

Kouyu Shurei.


Very reminiscent of Vampire Princess Miyu. Kinda.

Ah, there it is! Yes, I guess that´s the reason I enjoyed that manga so much. It truly reminded me of Vampire Princess Miyu. Thanks.

Ah, there it is! Yes, I guess that´s the reason I enjoyed that manga so much. It truly reminded me of Vampire Princess Miyu. Thanks.

I already admitted (earlier in this thread) to Miyu being my favourite anime product... Alichino reminds me of Miyu, but with the roles reversed.

(Way, way, WAYYYYY back in time - my first NS nation was called "Western Shinma") :)

I already admitted (earlier in this thread) to Miyu being my favourite anime product... Alichino reminds me of Miyu, but with the roles reversed.

(Way, way, WAYYYYY back in time - my first NS nation was called "Western Shinma") :)

Statement. 2-All. Or 1-love.


Which is it?

Even putting aside dub quality, there is still a lot leaving me underwhelmed about Gurren Lagann. Silly and over the top machismo, cheap gay jokes, and the mechanics make no sense whatsoever. Seriously, the mecha move like they're made of rubber or something. At least some of that is built into the animation itself.

i've never had the opportunity to read manga unfortunately.

favorite animes though: Bleach, Full Metal Alchemist, Ergo Proxy, Gungrave, Trigun, Chrono Crusade, Full Metal Panic, Last Exile, Death Note.... and more. fun stuff

mostly dubbed but subbed as well. i normally prefer the dubs just because i dont have to concentrate on reading, even if the English voices sometimes are... pretty awful

Epic fail:soap:

Epic fail:soap:

What is, now?

Epic fail:soap:

got something against some of the anime choices people have listed? hmmmm?

My favorite animes and mangas? Oh God, this could take a while. D.N.Angel (manga/anime), Bleach (anime, non-filler that is), Death Note (anime, Why must L die?!), Naruto (manga/anime Shippuuden included. Non-filler as always.), Black Cat (manga/anime, prefer the manga though.), Code Geass is pretty good (only anime that I prefere the English dub.), Howl's Moving Castle is a must see movie for fantasy anime lovers, Fullmetal Alchemist (manga/anime, once again I prefere the manga.), a few others I'm either not proud of watching/reading or would just rather not talk about, and of course the absolute best anime ever: GINTAMA! All Hail Sakata-sama! And maybe Sougo-san. But definitely not the Madao.

My favorite animes and mangas? Oh God, this could take a while. D.N.Angel (manga/anime), Bleach (anime, non-filler that is), Death Note (anime, Why must L die?!), Naruto (manga/anime Shippuuden included. Non-filler as always.), Black Cat (manga/anime, prefer the manga though.), Code Geass is pretty good (only anime that I prefere the English dub.), Howl's Moving Castle is a must see movie for fantasy anime lovers, Fullmetal Alchemist (manga/anime, once again I prefere the manga.), a few others I'm either not proud of watching/reading or would just rather not talk about, and of course the absolute best anime ever: GINTAMA! All Hail Sakata-sama! And maybe Sougo-san. But definitely not the Madao.

We have a Narutard among us! Keepz teh Naruto awayz from meh!!!! :eek2:

We have a Narutard among us! Keepz teh Naruto awayz from meh!!!! :eek2:

Says the Inu-tard <_<
You did say you like Inuyasha, right?

Says the Inu-tard <_<
You did say you like Inuyasha, right?

Yes, I like it for Sesshomaru, that's about it. But that does not make me an Inu-tard, you Gurren-tard. <_<

Yes, I like it for Sesshomaru, that's about it. But that does not make me an Inu-tard, you Gurren-tard. <_<

Gurren Lagann and retard do not go together.

Gurren Lagann and FUCKING AWESOME do, however.

And I'm more of a Higurashitard than TTGL.

We have a Narutard among us! Keepz teh Naruto awayz from meh!!!! :eek2:

probably watches it for the pervy sage... ;)

probably watches it for the pervy sage... ;)

Most definitely.:D

Gurren Lagann and retard do not go together.

Gurren Lagann and FUCKING AWESOME do, however.

And I'm more of a Higurashitard than TTGL.

Ah, bite your... em... better not. Your jaw's swollen and what not. I don't want you to hurt yourself that much.;)

In any case, retard and Gurren Lagan do go together. Boobs! That's why you watch that anime. Boobs!! <_<

And leave Higurashi out of it.:mad:

Ah, bite your... em... better not. Your jaw's swollen and what not. I don't want you to hurt yourself that much.;)

In any case, retard and Gurren Lagan do go together. Boobs! That's why you watch that anime. Boobs!! <_<

And leave Higurashi out of it.:mad:

No, I watch it because it's more epic than "The Final Countdown", and "The Final Countdown" is one of the most epic creations in the history of mankind.

The boobs are a bonus.

Besides, Higurashi has boobs, too...

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/rikagrope3px9.gif

No, I watch it because it's more epic than "The Final Countdown", and "The Final Countdown" is one of the most epic creations in the history of mankind.

The boobs are a bonus.

You. Live. For. Teh. Boobage. And you know it.:D

You. Live. For. Teh. Boobage. And you know it.:D

I live for small galaxies thrown like shurikens. And boobs.

I live for small galaxies thrown like shurikens. And boobs.

Priorities dude, priorities. You live for anime boobs. And small galaxies thrown like shurikens.;)

Priorities dude, priorities. You live for anime boobs. And small galaxies thrown like shurikens.;)

Plenty of anime I like does not have a fantastic amount of boobage.

You. Live. For. Teh. Boobage. And you know it.:D

http://www.animestocks.com/gallery_files/images/Bleach/Screenshots/Character%20Images/Matsumoto%20Rangiku,%2010th%20Division%20Vice-Captain/ran_05_animestocks%5Bcom%5D.jpg



FTW in that particular category though i thinks boobs can be overrated when u can get this:


http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t215/SorasGirl24/Yoruichi.jpg

Eh. Yoko is the Doombitch, anyways, so I don't want a piece of that.

I don't get the fuss about boobage, cuteness is much more important.
As far as I'm concerned
Lina > Naga
Yuki > Mikuru
Nozomu > Chizuru
Kazuki > Hatsune
etc.

And no, there's no particularly good reason why I'm watching the latter two anime.

I don't get the fuss about boobage, cuteness is much more important.
As far as I'm concerned
Lina > Naga
Yuki > Mikuru
Nozomu > Chizuru
Kazuki > Hatsune
etc.

And no, there's no particularly good reason why I'm watching the latter two anime.

Yoruichi beats everyone. you see that episode where she jumps naked in the hot spring with Ichigo? his reaction is priceless. mmm-hmm. excellent stuff.

Yoruichi beats everyone. you see that episode where she jumps naked in the hot spring with Ichigo? his reaction is priceless. mmm-hmm. excellent stuff.

Hanyuu (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/HigurashiKAIepi19014.jpg) is the single cutest anime character ever. Rika (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Rikanipah.gif) is a close second, and Nia (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/doubleblader/moe_imouto_org-p-118177795793177.png) is third. Kanami (http://www.angelfire.com/anime4/altered/kanami/kanami01.jpg) is pretty damn cute, too.

And for further proof that Hanyuu is the cutest anime character ever:
Hanyuu's character song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_IbEj5JEQ)

Hanyuu (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/HigurashiKAIepi19014.jpg) is the single cutest anime character ever. Rika (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Rikanipah.gif) is a close second, and Nia (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/doubleblader/moe_imouto_org-p-118177795793177.png) is third. Kanami (http://www.angelfire.com/anime4/altered/kanami/kanami01.jpg) is pretty damn cute, too.

And for further proof that Hanyuu is the cutest anime character ever:
Hanyuu's character song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_IbEj5JEQ)

well i'm not really into the "cute" ones. sexy is more to my liking even if they seem to always lose out to the cute ones in the fight for the male lead's attentions.

though if i was ever going to give the nod to a "cute" character it would be Captain Tessa (http://f.screensavers.com/OMS/img/535/fullmetalpanictessa_215.jpg) in Full Metal Panic.

Hanyuu (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/HigurashiKAIepi19014.jpg) is the single cutest anime character ever.I'll admit she looks promising, what anime is she from?

Mind you, there are a lot of anime characters to compete with. Not to mention tons of variations in cuteness, each with their own merits; from "I wish I had a little sister like her" to "I wish she was the goddess of this universe" etc.

though if i was ever going to give the nod to a "cute" character it would be Captain Tessa (http://f.screensavers.com/OMS/img/535/fullmetalpanictessa_215.jpg) in Full Metal Panic.*nods approvingly*

And for further proof that Hanyuu is the cutest anime character ever:
Hanyuu's character song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_IbEj5JEQ)As far as character songs go, I prefer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWoJl5FQ4NE Great character too; shame she never got to reveal her name, but then that's part of her characterization.

not sure why it has to be a cute opening as well, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt8szif7SP8) is the last anime i've watched completely and i found it quite good, nothing cute about it either ;)

Yes, I like it for Sesshomaru, that's about it. But that does not make me an Inu-tard, you Gurren-tard. <_<

Liking any Inu Yasha at all makes you an Inu-tard. You must be purged.

Hanyuu (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/HigurashiKAIepi19014.jpg) is the single cutest anime character ever. Rika (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Rikanipah.gif) is a close second, and Nia (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/doubleblader/moe_imouto_org-p-118177795793177.png) is third. Kanami (http://www.angelfire.com/anime4/altered/kanami/kanami01.jpg) is pretty damn cute, too.

And for further proof that Hanyuu is the cutest anime character ever:
Hanyuu's character song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_IbEj5JEQ)

I swoon for these anime bishies: Agatsuma Soubi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Loveless_%28manga%29_-_Agatsuma_Soubi.jpg) and Aoyagi Seimei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Loveless_%28manga%29_-_Aoyagi_Seimei.jpg), from Kouga Yun´s ¨Loveless¨. They´re so beautiful it´s a crime!!

well i'm not really into the "cute" ones. sexy is more to my liking even if they seem to always lose out to the cute ones in the fight for the male lead's attentions.

though if i was ever going to give the nod to a "cute" character it would be Captain Tessa (http://f.screensavers.com/OMS/img/535/fullmetalpanictessa_215.jpg) in Full Metal Panic.

Sexy:
Yoko, the Doombitch (http://lw-studio.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/pics/TengenToppaGurrenLagannYOKO/TengenToppaGurrenLagannYOKO01.gif)
Older Nia (http://heiseidemocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/nia_pillow_illust.jpg)
Sailor Moon (http://www.xjaymanx.com/toybox/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/xjaymanx_sailor_moon_01sm.jpg) (Classic)
Misato (http://www.noos.org/anime/evangelion/misato/misato1.jpg)
And I suppose Mion (http://www.theanimeblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/higurashi1c.jpg), but, like Doombitch, I want no piece of that.
And any number of girls from any number of hentais.

I'll admit she looks promising, what anime is she from?

Higurashi no Naku koro ni. Both Hanyuu and Rika...and Mion up there.

Hanyuu is most adorable when doing her "Auauau" thing...
And Rika when she does her "Nipah" thing...

The fun thing about Higurashi is that all of the characters are very colorful, happy, fun, and adorable, and then they randomly look like this (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/jokermage/darkhanyuu.png) or this (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Shion-stabby.gif) or this (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Renalaugh.gif)...

Higurashi no Naku koro ni. Both Hanyuu and Rika...and Mion up there.Second series then? Because I'm fairly sure I didn't see Hanyuu in the first.

not sure why it has to be a cute opening as well, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt8szif7SP8) is the last anime i've watched completely and i found it quite good, nothing cute about it either ;)Seems to have good ratings at ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5115) as well; I'll take it as recommendation and put it on my list.

Ergo Proxy, now that was a curious anime. Excellent Noir style artwork and settings, and definitely not afraid of killing off the supporting cast. The plot on the other hand, can make you go "WTF?" in the mind bending way at times, though it's quite well written.

Ergo Proxy, now that was a curious anime. Excellent Noir style artwork and settings, and definitely not afraid of killing off the supporting cast. The plot on the other hand, can make you go "WTF?" in the mind bending way at times, though it's quite well written.

Yeah, I'm almost at the end myself, and it has proven an interesting show to say the least. Like that episode where Vincent ends up on a Japanese game show fighting for his life more or less.

Second series then? Because I'm fairly sure I didn't see Hanyuu in the first.

Oh, yeah, Hanyuu is from season 2, Higurashi no Naku koro ni kai.

The only Anime/Manga I've ever really watched/Read is Gantz; the anime pissed me of quiet a lot but it was entertaining at times, but the amount of "fan service" in terms of random hentai sort of ruin the affect of some scenes. And the main character seems to be called a different name for each person who's talking to him ... like Katou calls him Kei Chan, Kei calls him Kurono Kei, his girlfriend calls him Kurono kun.

The manga is okayish, still in the process of reading it.

Yeah, I'm almost at the end myself, and it has proven an interesting show to say the least. Like that episode where Vincent ends up on a Japanese game show fighting for his life more or less.

i groaned at that episode, but the series as a whole is quite good, even if i find such dark animes as somewhat depressing.

If you thought that was depressing, there are worse ones. I can't remember the name of this one particular anime, where it seemed a large portion of the world was forced underground because of some identifying characteristic. It resulted in this dystopian world where in the end, the supporting characters committed suicide, one way or another, and the last surviving person, the main character, ended up dying of exposure.

In short, it was really depressing. Good art, but depressing.

sounds like a similar ending to Wolf's Rain. End of world animes... not so fun.

End of world animes... not so fun.

Ideon, what? :D

Ideon, what? :D

whoa that anime is old... can't tolerate the classics, the art is just.... eek.

nah Neon Genesis Evangelion is for me and the ending isn't just depressing it pissed me off as well. ;)

whoa that anime is old... can't tolerate the classics, the art is just.... eek.

nah Neon Genesis Evangelion is for me and the ending isn't just depressing it pissed me off as well. ;)

It pissed me off because I had to look up on Wikipedia what actually happened.

nah Neon Genesis Evangelion is for me and the ending isn't just depressing it pissed me off as well. ;)

I liked Evangelion, too. But you have to recognize what it took from Ideon... We're talking 1:1 screen matches in the Eva and Ideon movies. Anno is fun like that.

To me, artwork is a secondary issue to "Is this show actually good/fun?" I mean, if it looks gorgeous (I'm looking at you, Death Note and Macross Frontier), more power to it. But sometimes, you just can't beat the glory of the Mazin Punch or the infinite Zenigata/Lupin worldwide marathon.

I liked Evangelion, too. But you have to recognize what it took from Ideon... We're talking 1:1 screen matches in the Eva and Ideon movies. Anno is fun like that.

Really? Maybe I should watch this Ideon.

Really? Maybe I should watch this Ideon.

It's older, circa 1980, but has been subbed by Shin Getter (http://http://a.scarywater.net/shin-getter/). It stars Cosmo Yuki, also known as "Amuro with a fro," and the mix of civilians and military men you would expect from a Yoshiyuki Tomino work. The television series is 39 episodes but doesn't have much of an ending; then there are two compilation movies, the first covering most of the series proper and the second adding the apocalyptic "bad end."

So who else sees what Anno did there? :D

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and it doesn't make me respect Eva any less. It's just that knowing these connections exist make it fun for me to actively seek out and watch things that are way older than me. Eva is influenced by Ideon, Rahxephon is influenced by Raideen, Gundam's been copying itself for 30 years... it's nice to go back to the roots, as it were. And I try to put myself in the 70s or early 80s frame of mind... it's like... a new episode of Star Wars every week, with a kid your age or a few years older flying this giant robot and saving the world. Tell me that wouldn't have been totally awesome.

Cool, Dancougar.

I liked Evangelion, too. But you have to recognize what it took from Ideon... We're talking 1:1 screen matches in the Eva and Ideon movies. Anno is fun like that.

To me, artwork is a secondary issue to "Is this show actually good/fun?" I mean, if it looks gorgeous (I'm looking at you, Death Note and Macross Frontier), more power to it. But sometimes, you just can't beat the glory of the Mazin Punch or the infinite Zenigata/Lupin worldwide marathon.

i just didn't care for the ending of Evangelion at all, i don't care what message the director was trying to send, it sucked. that and the 2 episodes beforehand where its nothing but a bunch of psychobabble analyzing the characters, wanted to hurt something trying to watch that :headbang:

heh, thought you'd mention One Piece or something in regard to art :p

i just didn't care for the ending of Evangelion at all, i don't care what message the director was trying to send, it sucked. that and the 2 episodes beforehand where its nothing but a bunch of psychobabble analyzing the characters, wanted to hurt something trying to watch that :headbang:


As I understand it, the last two episodes happened when the director was in a deep funk. And they were running out of budget too. Might explain things.

Well, I think there may be a problem with the torrent, maybe nothing left to DL, but I'm trying it.

heh, thought you'd mention One Piece or something in regard to art :p

One Piece is fun! It has a very whimsical, Looney Tunes feel to it.

As I understand it, the last two episodes happened when the director was in a deep funk. And they were running out of budget too. Might explain things.

Yeah, they were definitely running low on funds during that last stretch. You can see a few scenes which are bafflingly still for several minutes at a time, like when Rei and Asuka are in the elevator in episode 22.

The original Dragonball manga and the GUNNM manga are probably my all time favorites, though I do really like Dragon Half and Ah! My Goddess as well.

As for anime, I'm getting more and more disillusioned with anime in general. A lot of the time, it's just so bloated (Dragonball Z, Naruto) that it becomes painful to watch, or its just so completely inane that I can't stand it. I did really like Death Note, Sayonara Zetsubo-sensei and Kannazuki no Miko though.

Kannazuki no Miko

This show makes me cry. Awesome giant robots and they don't friggin' use them!

So, what's everyone's take on the subs versus dubs debate?

In most cases, I prefer the subs. English voice acting on anime imports is most often subpar compared to the original Japanese (and I'm not yet fluent enough to tell just how bad some of the Japanese voice acting is, lol ).

So, what's everyone's take on the subs versus dubs debate?

I'll take the sub every time, but I'm willing to tolerate dubs, because that's how my daughter got into anime.

It does depend on the relative quality of the dub and the sub, though. Just because it's subbed, is no guarantee that it stays even close to the original.

So, what's everyone's take on the subs versus dubs debate?
Subs over dubs, though I admit that there are a few anime I do prefer the dubs to subs. Usually this is due to how I first heard it, but sometimes due to the awful quality of the subs themselves (Too quick, too much blend, etc).

That said, American companies tend to view dubs as their chance to change the story or at least toss in a few Americanisms that would never, ever, be said in the original Japanese. YUA being a great case in point.

Heh, I see you have the eye of Rei in your avatar, Nervun? I guess you're an Eva fan as well.

Subs over dubs, though I admit that there are a few anime I do prefer the dubs to subs. Usually this is due to how I first heard it, but sometimes due to the awful quality of the subs themselves (Too quick, too much blend, etc).

That said, American companies tend to view dubs as their chance to change the story or at least toss in a few Americanisms that would never, ever, be said in the original Japanese. YUA being a great case in point.

One of the most annoying things about dubs is that the voice actors all sound unmotivated and tend to sleepwalk through the entire script. But as I understand it, in America, voice artist work tends to be seen as an entry to better stuff, while in Japan, it's actually a career profession.

Heh, I see you have the eye of Rei in your avatar, Nervun? I guess you're an Eva fan as well.
Hmm, now why would you say that?
-NERV-UN :tongue:

So, what's everyone's take on the subs versus dubs debate?I hate Dubbed. only a few companies do it right.

I like the subbed version and at times have watched it 'raw' rather than dubbed.

Hmm, now why would you say that?
-NERV-UN :tongue:
oh, just these small little clues you leave behind... :tongue:

One of the most annoying things about dubs is that the voice actors all sound unmotivated and tend to sleepwalk through the entire script. But as I understand it, in America, voice artist work tends to be seen as an entry to better stuff, while in Japan, it's actually a career profession.
Very true, and it's only the major releases, usually done by Disney, that you get actual actors who are acting.

There are exceptions of course. I thought that Eva was done very well as a dub.

My biggest problem is really localization. When I'm watching Excel Saga, I do not expect Nabeshin to be ghetto. That's just twisted. I get really thrown off when I hear American regional accents, because it doesn't fit. I know it's impossible to translate directly, but if I wanted to watch something western, I'd be watching something western. So it has to be subs.

ugh, dubs...I hate to watch any anime dubbed. Although I will admit that Deathnote was done okay dubbed.

Well, there was that line. "I'll take a potato chip...AND EAT IT!" But yeah, I really enjoyed Deathnote and didn't find the dub too disconcerting.

Well, there was that line. "I'll take a potato chip...AND EAT IT!"

LOLtastic, that XD

Very true, and it's only the major releases, usually done by Disney, that you get actual actors who are acting.

There are exceptions of course. I thought that Eva was done very well as a dub.

Maybe, but it's mostly:

"You won't get away with this" *yawn* "We'll fight you" *snore* "I've been shot!" *zzz*

Hmm, now why would you say that?
-NERV-UN :tongue:

You know, I've always wondered what would have happened if NERV employed a qualified shrink.

You know, I've always wondered what would have happened if NERV employed a qualified shrink.

Yeah, it's as if they had some kind of affirmative action program for the mentally unstable. "Sorry, not enough angst and trippy hallucinations. I'm afraid you don't qualify for our program."

You know, I've always wondered what would have happened if NERV employed a qualified shrink.

Twenty six episodes of episode twenty six?

You know, I've always wondered what would have happened if NERV employed a qualified shrink.

It wouldn't help. The poor sap would end up committing suicide by episode 6, and we'd be back at square one.

Twenty six episodes of episode twenty six?

Hah

So, anyone hear about the new Evangelion movies coming out in Japan? I think the first was You Are (not) Alone, not sure about the others.

So, anyone hear about the new Evangelion movies coming out in Japan? I think the first was You Are (not) Alone, not sure about the others.

First one's been subbed. Not much I can say about it. It's a compilation movie with fresher animation and a rescored soundtrack, but the look and feel is pretty much the same as the series.

So, anyone hear about the new Evangelion movies coming out in Japan? I think the first was You Are (not) Alone, not sure about the others.
The first one was awesome! Yes, it's a retelling, but the new animation just made me drool.

That, and since it's big screen, Gainax corrected one of those really weird missing bits on the character designs for the cast.

The second movie is really going to change things though, there's a new EVA and female pilot in it. Also, it seems that SEELE is doing things differently as well.

The second movie is really going to change things though, there's a new EVA and female pilot in it. Also, it seems that SEELE is doing things differently as well.

Mary Sue alarms are ringing.

Mary Sue alarms are ringing.
Possibly not. There's a chance that it's either Hikari or Mana.

Or someone new. This IS EVA after all and screwing with people's minds is just par for the course.

Yes, it's a retelling, but the new animation just made me drool.

Okay, I'll give it that. After watching all three Zeta Gundam movies, it was nice to see a consistent style all the way through.

Possibly not. There's a chance that it's either Hikari or Mana.

Or someone new. This IS EVA after all and screwing with people's minds is just par for the course.

Mana was a Sue, no two ways about it. Let's see,

1: Gets giant robot.
2: Romantically involved with protagonist.
3: No connection to main plot, but somehow manages to become integral to it anyway. (not being canon)

That's just the surface of it.

Hikari, maybe, but it's damn near impossible to imagine a prim and proper, responsible and genuinely happy (somewhat), person as a pilot. I think it violates the Gendou Ikari pilot angst requirement handbook or something.

I see, NERVUN. I guess I'll be on the look out for it.