NationStates Jolt Archive

This is for all of us who are into Anime & Manga! Name a favorite series, what Cons you're going to or have been to...etc.

My favorite Anime is Bleach, and my favorite Manga is DramaCon! I've been to AX once, but I never cared for it. I've been to FanimeCon for four years running, and I plan on going to KinYoobi Con next month ^_^

Anime & Manga Lovers Unite

...and form Voltron!

:D

...and form Voltron!

:D

Giiiiiiigaaaaaaa....DRIIILLLLLLLL....BREEAAAKKERRR!

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Gurren Lagann pwns.

I like AniZona!!!

MangaFav: Hana Kimi

Gotta love the sappy rip-off of Shakespeare! the girl chasing her love to another school, with the added twist of guy finding out his roommate is a girl and starting to protect HER as he falls in love right back. Uber cute!!!

Anime Fav: InuYasha

I like AniZona!!!

MangaFav: Hana Kimi

Gotta love the sappy rip-off of Shakespeare! the girl chasing her love to another school, with the added twist of guy finding out his roommate is a girl and starting to protect HER as he falls in love right back. Uber cute!!!

Anime Fav: InuYasha

I think I read that manga...or at least one that was similar to it!

Voltron! Oh man what a great classic reference ^_^

Yeah, it's really good. *gushes*

Oh, wait, ComiCon by Ivan Erikson is adding more for the anime crowd, too. I work for him at Game Central every year. He's a buddy I know from the AZ Renaissance Festival Tilt Yard (Joust)

Hard to name "favorites", but EVA, Bleach, CowBe, XXX Holic, Boogiepop Phantom...

As for how much of an otaku I am, I CALL MY ATTACKS in forum discussions.

...and form Virgintron!

:D

Fix'd.;)

Yeah, it's really good. *gushes*

Oh, wait, ComiCon by Ivan Erikson is adding more for the anime crowd, too. I work for him at Game Central every year. He's a buddy I know from the AZ Renaissance Festival Tilt Yard (Joust)

Wow that's really cool! That first book had me HOOKED. It was really moving and inspiring and I liked it better then the 2nd book, which was more like reality in a way and deeply draining to read. I mean after reading those two back to back I was more then ready to go do something else ^^;

EVA is awesome, that's where I got my name from ^_^

I see your Drill Breaker and raise you a SHELLLLL BULLLLLETTTT!

Wow that's really cool! That first book had me HOOKED. It was really moving and inspiring and I liked it better then the 2nd book, which was more like reality in a way and deeply draining to read. I mean after reading those two back to back I was more then ready to go do something else ^^;

EVA is awesome, that's where I got my name from ^_^

I see your Drill Breaker and raise you a SHELLLLL BULLLLLETTTT!

I see your Shell Bullet (I'm not the only person who likes that anime?) and raise you Yoko's boobs.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/yokogif.gif

I see your Shell Bullet (I'm not the only person who likes that anime?) and raise you Yoko's boobs.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/yokogif.gif

I happen to have watched S-cry-ED TWICE I'll have you know.

I see your Yoko's boobs and raise you Rangiku's boobs: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z315/mozart_lvr/bleach/rangiku/rangiku-1.jpg

Also I created my own Anime realm thingy mabober on NS ^_^

I see your Shell Bullet (I'm not the only person who likes that anime?) and raise you Yoko's boobs.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/yokogif.gif
I LOVED S-cry-ED! I watched that anime TWICE in it's ENTIRETY.

Also I see your Yoko Boobs and raise you Rangiku's boobs:
http://namutaku.net/livejournal/fig4.jpg

Let's see. Fav manga: Hmm, hard to say, I've read so many. But the ones I keep coming back to are Urusei Yatsura, Ghost in the Shell, The Wonderful World of Sazae-san, and OL Revolution.

Fav anime: God... Just way too many to mention.

As for cons, I've been to AX a few times and usually had a pretty good time at it, but the last time I went was 5 years ago (Dear Lord, it's been that long?) and I've heard they've changed quite a bit and have gotten really crowded. I haven't been to a con in Japan yet, but I have done the pilgrimage through Akihara and had dinner at a maid cafe. Of course when I did so I spent all my time trying to suppress the urge to teach the girls English, but that's another story.

And I see Yoko's boobs and raise you Naga's
http://nd.blog.cz/m/mechaanime.blog.cz/obrazky/17990809.jpg

I see your blah and raise you Shion's boobs:


http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Higurashi_01.gif

Oooh, I like where this is going.

Anyways, I'm not really a fan, as in I've never spent money on it, but as far as anime is concerned, for me nothing beats Golden Boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Boy_%28series%29). Pity they made so few episodes.

Naruto, and I have a rabid obsession with Gundams and Mobile Suits.

*douses thread with Gasoline*

*lights thread on fire*

*douses thread with Gasoline*

*lights thread on fire*

Just Naruto. And Bleach. And Inuyasha. Gurren Lagann is actually really good.

I see your blah and raise you Shion's boobs:
Naga's are still much bigger.

Naga's are still much bigger.

That just makes her all the more flammable.

http://campinfinity.cs.luc.edu/Members/session1/group6/kristen/lina_pic

All time Fav Anime(s): Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Tenchi Muyo, Full Metal Alchemist, Gundam Wing, InuYasha, ...

All time Fav Mangas: Priest, Pet Shop of Horror, Gravitation,... (I need find some new mangas.)

Leaning to love: Bleach and Death Note

Gunbuster, Diebuster, Hokuto no Ken, Black Lagoon, Last Exile, aaaaaaaaaand...
Saber Marionette J ;)

This is for all of us who are into Anime & Manga! Name a favorite series, what Cons you're going to or have been to...etc.

My favorite Anime is Bleach, and my favorite Manga is DramaCon! I've been to AX once, but I never cared for it. I've been to FanimeCon for four years running, and I plan on going to KinYoobi Con next month ^_^

Elfen Lied is my favorite.

Pray tell, what is your first name?

Elfen Lied is my favorite.

Pray tell, what is your first name?

My first name...you may use either Jessica or Rei. As in Ayanami Rei from Neon Genesis Evangelion! >=)

In terms of Slayers and Lina Inverse: Hell to the fck yeah baby! <3

For all you bleach fans out there, have you seen the Zaraki Kenpachi Arrancar cosplayer? He's really got a nice outfit ^_^

My first name...you may use either Jessica or Rei. As in Ayanami Rei from Neon Genesis Evangelion! >=)

In terms of Slayers and Lina Inverse: Hell to the fck yeah baby! <3

For all you bleach fans out there, have you seen the Zaraki Kenpachi Arrancar cosplayer? He's really got a nice outfit ^_^

Just I noticed that you're from Alameda. Thought I might know you.

And EVA is indeed pretty awesome. Some of my friends think Asuka is cooler, but I would have to disagree with them there.

Bleach is kinda cool, but there are too many filler episodes for my taste. I don't like it when they drag things out too much.

All time favorite anime: The Big O

I also enjoy: Le Chevalier D'Eon, Black Cat, Death Note, Bleach, Claymore, and Devil May Cry.

Code Geass is somewhat interesting to me; especially the idea of an evil British Empire.

Those are the only ones I watch. I don't obsess over anime; I just think these are quite good to watch.

Naga's are still much bigger.

http://namutaku.net/livejournal/fig4.jpg

Aren't big breasts a fad in the world of Japanese anime? :)

Yeah I think that's the one I read and found. I really like that one, because I think boys in dresses and such are awesome >=)

Yeah I think that's the one I read and found. I really like that one, because I think boys in dresses and such are awesome >=)

I do recall Le Chevalier D'Eon having boys in dresses albeit briefly.

http://namutaku.net/livejournal/fig4.jpg

Aren't big breasts a fad in the world of Japanese anime? :)
Not always, it usually depends upon the character and the type of anime.

Pfffft... Otakus.

:D

Loveless (manga, the anime wasn't that good), Evangelion, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni kai (damned that Rhyno), Bleach, Saber Marionettes J and J to X, Myself Yourself, Chibi Vampires, Black Cat (manga and anime alike), InuYasha, Slayers, and several others I can't remember now.

And, pssssst, Morrígan pwns Shion's and Naga's boobs!
http://www.wikifotos.es/static2/2007/12/07/2680411.jpg

Hard to name "favorites", but EVA, Bleach, CowBe, XXX Holic, Boogiepop Phantom...

As for how much of an otaku I am, I CALL MY ATTACKS in forum discussions.

You have to Call Your Attacks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CallingYourAttacks) with Gratuitous English (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GratuitousEnglish).

My favorite anime has always been Evangelion, though Deathnote and Elfen Lied are pretty close in some ways. I also like the Gundam shows, though as of late I've grown weary of how similar they are to each other. I keep seeing the same plots and characters again and again. As for dislikes, I don't generally enjoy any of the anime series with over a hundred episodes, the ones based on manga of indefinite length that always end up full of filler (like Bleach, One Piece, and so on).

Hellsing, anyone?

Or Blame?

This is for all of us who are into Anime & Manga! Name a favorite series, what Cons you're going to or have been to...etc.

My favorite Anime is Bleach, and my favorite Manga is DramaCon! I've been to AX once, but I never cared for it. I've been to FanimeCon for four years running, and I plan on going to KinYoobi Con next month ^_^
Hmmm...
No particular order
Manga: Mr Clice, Cats Eye, You're Under Arrest, City Hunter, Gunsmith Cats, Dirty Pair, Lemon People...

Anime: too many to list. but I'll list the stuff I DON'T LIKE.
any of the Dragonball series
Naruto


...and form Voltron!

:D

Hah! Dairugger XV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kikou_Kantai_Dairugger_XV) FTW!

Bleach rules, Ghost in the shell rules, and so does any anime or manga that features Vampires.

Apart from the usual (for people my age anway :rolleyes:) introduction to Akira back in the late 80s anime has been a fairly recent viewing pleasure for me.

Favourites would be Naruto, Elfen Lied, Hellsing and Monster (though I'm only about 25 episodes in at the moment).

Only manga I've read are the first 7 Naruto books, which I enjoyed, but they're actually my daughter's.

Elfen Lied

Now that's good anime.

Aside from most single-volume yaoi manga, which I typically enjoy, my favourite manga includes: Fushigi Yuugi, Ayashi no Ceres and Battle Royale. I also quite like Angel Sanctuary and The Cain Saga.

In terms of anime... I like FAKE (the manga version is great too), FY, AnC, Kyou Kara Maou, InuYasha, YuYu Hakusho, Gundam Wing...

Grave of Fireflies is one of the best anime movies I've ever seen, and I've watched a lot of Miyazaki's, which are just amazing.

:hail: --> Watase Yuu

Bleach rules, Ghost in the shell rules, and so does any anime or manga that features Vampires.

I LOVE Ghost in The Shell! Have you seen all 3 of the movies? I mean that last one was really amazing with it's philosophy.

Hey if you like Gundam Wing then you should give Gundam SEED a try. It's got more plot, more realistic action, and a LOT more character development! Not to mention it's got a lot more plot twists ^_^

I LOVE Ghost in The Shell! Have you seen all 3 of the movies? I mean that last one was really amazing with it's philosophy.

Alas I have only seen the first one, though on your opinion I shall now aquire and view the others.

Samurai Champloo, Cowboy Bebop, and Ghost in the Shell. Also Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke are my favourite Studio Ghibli things

Alas I have only seen the first one, though on your opinion I shall now aquire and view the others.

Yeah I think I like the 3rd one the best. I mean at the end even Sector 9 people are seriously questioning if they did the right thing, if that tells you how awesome it is.

Also in the 2nd movie at times it'll repeat itself, but that's actually part of the movie, when it replays, you'll notice some small differences, which is just part of the plot.

I LOVE Ghost in The Shell! Have you seen all 3 of the movies?Thanks for reminding me there's a third. I watched the first two and the two series, but completely forgot about the third movie.

You have to Call Your Attacks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CallingYourAttacks) with Gratuitous English (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GratuitousEnglish).

But I do! Brutus' Honor, 7th Flush, Riddler. Well, sorta. I write them correctly. :p

I could use a combat commentator (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CombatCommentator) though...

Shame the subject changed... I was enjoying the boob contest on the first few pages.

As for dislikes, I don't generally enjoy any of the anime series with over a hundred episodes, the ones based on manga of indefinite length that always end up full of filler (like Bleach, One Piece, and so on).

Don't watch Case Closed then; I hear that one is close to having hundreds of chapters or something.

As for dislikes, I don't generally enjoy any of the anime series with over a hundred episodes, the ones based on manga of indefinite length that always end up full of filler (like Bleach, One Piece, and so on).

I suggest you hunt out Legend of the Galatic Heroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_Galactic_Heroes) (LOGH)

it's 110+ episodes, but full of Political, Military and social intrigue. and yes, time does play a factor. characters do grow old and young charaters grow up.

Bleach rules, Ghost in the shell rules, and so does any anime or manga that features Vampires.
You have obviously never seen that monstrosity called Vampire Wars then (Just call me... Bat!).

You have obviously never seen that monstrosity called Vampire Wars then (Just call me... Bat!).

Hell, I just saw this on the Sci Fi Channel, and it was terrible.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Excel Saga yet. I picked up the first two volumes of the manga recently, and I found it to be pretty funny.

Naga's are still much bigger.

Yes, but Shion can and will fucking kill Naga for no apparent reason (because that's just the kind of girl Shion is).

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Shion-stabby.gif

Hell, I just saw this on the Sci Fi Channel, and it was terrible.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Excel Saga yet. I picked up the first two volumes of the manga recently, and I found it to be pretty funny.

Excel Saga is too long. It's funny for the first several episodes, but after that I just can't keep going.
Puni Puni Poemi is all of the hilarity of Excel Saga packed into 2 eps.

Yes, but Shion can and will fucking kill Naga for no apparent reason (because that's just the kind of girl Shion is).
Naga is likely to create a giant stone dragon and accidentally crush her to death, or coat her in jelly fish.

Of course then if Shion makes the mistake of insulting Naga's partner (Particularly her bust)... Well... Lina Inverse has a tendency to leave large holes where little things like houses, cities, and mountains once stood when annoyed.

Excel Saga is too long. It's funny for the first several episodes, but after that I just can't keep going.
Puni Puni Poemi is all of the hilarity of Excel Saga packed into 2 eps.
I thought it just got better when it went along. The whole American ep with the take on both American cartoons and Anime was just to die for.

Naga is likely to create a giant stone dragon and accidentally crush her to death, or coat her in jelly fish.

Of course then if Shion makes the mistake of insulting Naga's partner (Particularly her bust)... Well... Lina Inverse has a tendency to leave large holes where little things like houses, cities, and mountains once stood when annoyed.

Yeah, but Shion's got Hanyuu. And Hanyuu is a God, so there.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/1189986658045xb3-1.gif

I thought it just got better when it went along. The whole American ep with the take on both American cartoons and Anime was just to die for.

Oh, it was funny, I'm not denying that. It's just hard to get into it: it's hard to get emotionally attached to a character that dies several times per episode...

Eh all I've seen that I've liked is :

- Cowboy Bebop before Edward, who just irritated the fuck out of me.
- Trigun after it stopped being all jokey, which is exactly when it became excellent.

I like Vampire Knight, but hate waiting for the books or trying to remember to buy the magazines in time.

Also, Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle were good!

My favorite anime are Lucky Star, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Strike Witches (so far, it's decent, but a bit heavy on fanservice), most stuff by Studio Ghibli, and Kanon (the 2006 remake by Kyoto Animation). I'm also an officer at my college's anime club.

My favorite anime are Lucky Star, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Strike Witches (so far, it's decent, but a bit heavy on fanservice), most stuff by Studio Ghibli, and Kanon (the 2006 remake by Kyoto Animation). I'm also an officer at my college's anime club.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/harskafh.gif

Excel Saga is too long. It's funny for the first several episodes, but after that I just can't keep going.
Puni Puni Poemi is all of the hilarity of Excel Saga packed into 2 eps.

WHOA WHOA WHOA! Puni Puni Poemi is NOT as funny as Excel Saga! It's just a LOT more ABSURD and INSANE! I saw them both, so I would totally know.

Also Bleach has waay less fillers, and a lot less pointless fillers as well. That's something that you don't find with Naruto, when they have like uber amounts of fillers. The only good ones were Shino Laughing and the Star Chakra Saga

Yeah, but Shion's got Hanyuu. And Hanyuu is a God, so there.
So? Lina has already KILLED a god!

Oh, it was funny, I'm not denying that. It's just hard to get into it: it's hard to get emotionally attached to a character that dies several times per episode...
It's not the kind of story that requires that kind of connection, but rather Excel is a modern day Don Quixote, forever seeing the world through her own lens and engaging the world that way.

Manga-wise, my favourite is Black Cat (which they murdered in the anime). I don't know whether it counts as an anime but I really like "The Cat Returns" by Studio Ghibli.

- Cowboy Bebop before Edward, who just irritated the fuck out of me.


How can you not like Edward? She's awesome.

Fav anime eh?

Lucky Star, Suzumiya Haruhi no yuutsu, Shugo Chara, Negima season 1 and 2, Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni, Keroro Gunsou and many more

My favorite manga are magister negi magi, Mai otome, mai otome arashi, Love Hina, and many more ( can't think of anything else)

Where on earth are you finding all these anime GIFs?

Pfffft... Otakus.

:D

Loveless (manga, the anime wasn't that good), Evangelion, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni kai (damned that Rhyno), Bleach, Saber Marionettes J and J to X, Myself Yourself, Chibi Vampires, Black Cat (manga and anime alike), InuYasha, Slayers, and several others I can't remember now.

Oh wow. Someone who actually likes Inu Yasha. I've never met anyone who does. My friends and I have all been curious for the past year who these throngs of people that like it enough for it to be on [adult swim] are.

Paprika.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/East%20Gippsland/catsuku.png

I'm a fan of Satoshi Kon.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/TsukikoSagi3reduced.png

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/Mima.png

My favorite anime has always been Evangelion, though Deathnote and Elfen Lied are pretty close in some ways. I also like the Gundam shows, though as of late I've grown weary of how similar they are to each other. I keep seeing the same plots and characters again and again. As for dislikes, I don't generally enjoy any of the anime series with over a hundred episodes, the ones based on manga of indefinite length that always end up full of filler (like Bleach, One Piece, and so on).

Seems like relatively few people have seen Elfen Lied. Those who have either love it or hate it, it would appear.

I also tend to like the shorter animes better. The ones with a set amount of episodes. They don't have time to do filler, they have to move the story along.

The absolute worst as far as filler goes was, of course, Dragon Ball Z. I hated that series so much.

The absolute worst as far as filler goes was, of course, Dragon Ball Z. I hated that series so much.

couldn't agree more too many confrontation. one after another and the story always goes the same way

Seems like relatively few people have seen Elfen Lied. Those who have either love it or hate it, it would appear.


Elfen Lied had the problem of the anime cutting out 25% through the story proper and giving it a hashed together ending. The manga went all the way to its ultra bloody version of a Noh ending.

Heh-just noticed the pic from perfect blue. I have that on DVD.

Heh-just noticed the pic from perfect blue. I have that on DVD.

And the middle pick is from Paranoia Agent. With Satoshi Kon you shouldn't try to understand the plot first time round. Just sit back and let it do you over.

And the middle pick is from Paranoia Agent. With Satoshi Kon you shouldn't try to understand the plot first time round. Just sit back and let it do you over.

Sounds like most anime... :D

Elfen Lied had the problem of the anime cutting out 25% through the story proper and giving it a hashed together ending. The manga went all the way to its ultra bloody version of a Noh ending.

I should probably read the manga eventually, since I loved the anime.

Manga-wise, my favourite is Black Cat (which they murdered in the anime). I don't know whether it counts as an anime but I really like "The Cat Returns" by Studio Ghibli.

why wouldn't 'The Cat Returns' not count as anime?

I like re-watching Vandred. the ultimate in Gender Wars! (err... next to Gall Force... that is...)

What happened to all the boobs?

What happened to all the boobs?

I tried to bring them back when posting a pic of Morrígan... but I was unsuccessful.:(

I tried to bring them back when posting a pic of Morrígan... but I was unsuccessful.:(

Try again!

*Blech* I HATE anime.....

Try again!

From the anime "Eiken":
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3850/kirikaandkomoeho9.jpg

BOOBS!!!

Now the little one is just unreal...

Now the little one is just unreal...

Both are. But those are, kinda, like the mother of all boobs.:D

Now the little one is just unreal...

Gag Boobs (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GagBoobs) pretty common really. You'd almost think most anime watchers are teenage boys. Eiken is so well known for it's gag hooters that it's sometimes referred to as "Oh my Eiken back!".

So what if Excel Excel gets killed off all the time? She still manages to come back to life! Besides, she's just so CUTE and happy ^_^ I mean I think that's better then a character that you get all attached to and then DIES and STAYS dead like SOME Anime.

Ne ne, minna! I forgot to mention ¨Azumanga Daioh¨. Kawaii desu yo!!

*does her impersonation of a Japanese girl*

Ne ne, minna! I forgot to mention ¨Azumanga Daioh¨. Kawaii desu yo!!

*does her impersonation of a Japanese girl*

"Osaka!"

Damn, those are some...scary boobs, Nanatsu.

How can you not like Edward? She's awesome.
Eh I don't like Edward because the Japanese sense of humour is not the same as mine, and I preferred the darker side of Cowboy Bebop.

Damn, those are some...scary boobs, Nanatsu.

I know. I gasped mightily when I came upon them on Google.

Has anyone mentioned Read or Die yet? I mean, really, how can no one have mentioned ROD?

Has anyone mentioned Read or Die yet? I mean, really, how can no one have mentioned ROD?

Ah man how could I forget RoD... and Trigun, too.

Ah man how could I forget RoD... and Trigun, too.

DRRAAAAAAAAAKE He's getting away with my book!

Nightmare Campus and Urotsukidoyi: The Underfiend, La Blue Girl, Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, 8 Man After, and others I can´t quite remember right now.

Nightmare Campus and Urotsukidoyi: The Underfiend, La Blue Girl, Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, 8 Man After, and others I can´t quite remember right now.

Hirumi's Bad Play, Parade Parade, Bible Black...

Hirumi's Bad Play, Parade Parade, Bible Black...

Oooh, nasty anime. RIGHT ON!!:D

Oooh, nasty anime. RIGHT ON!!:D

Cool Devices, Dragon Pink, Hooligan (which is HILARIOUS).

Gag Boobs (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GagBoobs) pretty common really. Appropriately named; they kinda make me gag.

Cool Devices, Dragon Pink, Hooligan (which is HILARIOUS).

Whoa, Hentai loves of General. Huh, go figure.

Nightmare Campus and Urotsukidoyi: The Underfiend, La Blue Girl, Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, 8 Man After, and others I can´t quite remember right now.

Hirumi's Bad Play, Parade Parade, Bible Black...

Cool Devices, Dragon Pink, Hooligan (which is HILARIOUS).

we have got to get together for an anime viewing.

*cough* creamy lemon, demon beast invasion, Twin Angels, and much more *cough* :)

we have got to get together for an anime viewing.

*cough* creamy lemon, demon beast invasion, Twin Angels, and much more *cough* :)

Indeed we have...:)

Pervy minds think alike.

There's no shame in liking hentai.

There's no shame in liking hentai.There's shame in liking bad hentai though. Unless you like it ironically. ;)

There's shame in liking bad hentai though. Unless you like it ironically. ;)

I just like how silly it tends to be. It's frikin' hillarious.

There's shame in liking bad hentai though. Unless you like it ironically. ;)

For the record, the only one of those listed that I actually like is Hooligan. And I've never actually seen more than 2 minutes of Bible Black (because 2 minutes is already too much).

For the record, the only one of those listed that I actually like is Hooligan. And I've never actually seen more than 2 minutes of Bible Black (because 2 minutes is already too much).

Or too little... <_<

The thing with hentai is that it´s not anime you should watch often. It´s a viewing for an occasion when you need it (lol!). I can watch anime every day. Hentai? Once in a while.

Or too little... <_<

The thing with hentai is that it´s not anime you should watch often. It´s a viewing for an occasion when you need it (lol!). I can watch anime every day. Hentai? Once in a while.

Yeah, but Bible Black? Bah.

Body Transfer is pretty good, Beat Angel Escalayer is pretty good...um...Hooligan...Midnight Sleazy Train...

Yeah, but Bible Black? Bah.

Body Transfer is pretty good, Beat Angel Escalayer is pretty good...um...Hooligan...Midnight Sleazy Train...

No, I agree with you, Bible Black is quite a handful. But the Nightmare Campus one tops it all.

I dunno. I saw a single episode of the new La Blue Girl ("La Blue Girl Returns"? Something like that), and that was pretty fucking messed up. IE: a tentacle monster attacked her from inside her friend's hoo-hoo.

In terms of hentai I never cared for the La Blue Girl series. It just never really turned me on the way that one with those guys raping those girls on the train...or some of the other rape hentais.

My God, can't you people just enjoy quality family friendly Japanese Cartoons?
Like... Stinkoman 20X6! I saw that cartoon once. Good times.

I dunno. I saw a single episode of the new La Blue Girl ("La Blue Girl Returns"? Something like that), and that was pretty fucking messed up. IE: a tentacle monster attacked her from inside her friend's hoo-hoo.
La Blue Girl really isn't that bad, honestly.

Would you mess with this?

http://www.animekai.net/gun.gif

Would you mess with this?
Of course, I have these guys http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/sd-gundam/images/top/2.jpg on my side. ;)

My favorite anime is... Shaman King.
My favorite manga is... Shaman King.
My favorite favorite is... Shaman King.
My Shaman King is... Shaman King.
My... well, I suppose you get the picture.

Would you mess with this?

http://www.animekai.net/gun.gif

Gundams RULE!!!

Which series is that from BTW?

Yeah, but Bible Black? Bah.

Body Transfer is pretty good, Beat Angel Escalayer is pretty good...um...Hooligan...Midnight Sleazy Train...
Bible black isn't that bad. touch of the occult added with a woman's quest to save her soul from the devil...

tho her methods of finding a virgin is rather... self defeating... :p

Gundams RULE!!!

Which series is that from BTW?
looks like a re-imaging of a double Zeta Gundam.

I see your Gundam I raise you to a Unit 01!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MTwkcQS%2BL._SL400_.jpg

I'll see your Unit 01 and raise you Megas XLR! (Not true anime true, but in the same style.)

http://www.cartonionline.com/tv/cartoon_Network/gennaio/megas%20xlr.jpg

Now I like combat robots as much as the next guy, Gundams are no exception. But those designs are rather Wagnerian when compared to the good old mecha from Dougram and Macross. Nothing wrong with a bit of space opera, but laser swords should never have left Star Wars.

I totally forgot to include Papuwa Island in the list of anime I like.

Now I like combat robots as much as the next guy, Gundams are no exception. But those designs are rather Wagnerian when compared to the good old mecha from Dougram and Macross. Nothing wrong with a bit of space opera, but laser swords should never have left Star Wars.
you do know that Gundam was aired before Macross... right?

I totally forgot to include Papuwa Island in the list of anime I like.

and how could I forget "Stop! Hibari-kun"

and how could I forget "Stop! Hibari-kun"

http://www.theanimenetwork.com/images/shows/233_papuwa.jpg

I'll see your Unit 01 and raise you Megas XLR! (Not true anime true, but in the same style.)

http://www.cartonionline.com/tv/cartoon_Network/gennaio/megas%20xlr.jpg

I see your Megas XLR, which was a fucking awesome show and I'm sad they canceled it, and raise you a Gurren Lagann.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/Tarzan-Lagann.gif

I would hardly qualify Megas XLR to be near Anime, except for maybe the drawing style. I would say that the show was unequivably American, and NOT Japanese. It WAS totally bitchin', and I can't believe they ended it! T_T

Also I see your Gurren Lagann, and raise you a UNICRON! Oh yeah!

http://cyberstore.decepticon-matrix.com/tf_universe_comic1_unicron.jpg

http://www.theanimenetwork.com/images/shows/233_papuwa.jpg

I think I can sum that up in three simple letters....
http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-07/wtf-group.jpg

That pic may be WTF...but not as much as Puni Puni Poemi!!

Manga:
Not a huge fan (coz we don't get much out here)
Beserk is an honourable mention though, only coz they f#$%ed up with the anime.

Anime:
Haruhi, Cowboy Bebop, Witch Hunter Robin, Helsing, Trigun, FLCL and I can't help but be a Narutard. Something about it pulls at my DBZ strings (READ: FILLERS YOU LOVE TO HATE!)

I think I can sum that up in three simple letters....
http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-07/wtf-group.jpg

I had the same three letters when I first stumbled upon that anime. But after watching it, it sorta grew on me and I became a fan. The best is Tanno, the tranny fish.:D

http://www.nippon-animation.co.jp/na/papuwa/chara_img/06tanno.gif

anime :naruto bleach
Manga:Every mangas good exept one manga i dont want to say the name of

...and form Voltron!

:D

I'll form the head!


I like Bleach and Kenshin. I don't read much Manga lately except an online doujinshi Mega Tokyo.

Naruto, and I have a rabid obsession with Gundams and Mobile Suits.

Yeah, I almost forgot I'd been watching the unedited Japanese cut of Naruto.

I would hardly qualify Megas XLR to be near Anime, except for maybe the drawing style. I would say that the show was unequivably American, and NOT Japanese. It WAS totally bitchin', and I can't believe they ended it! T_T

Also I see your Gurren Lagann, and raise you a UNICRON! Oh yeah!

http://cyberstore.decepticon-matrix.com/tf_universe_comic1_unicron.jpg

Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/2w56b8h.gif)

Hey Rhyno...what's your nation called? I want to send you telegrams!

Also that blind date thread sucks, I got hooked up with some lame macho and crude anime hater T_T

Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/2w56b8h.gif)

That is one big mech...

Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/2w56b8h.gif)

Question: How the FUCK can such an insanely large robot exist?! I don't understand! T_T

Question: How the FUCK can such an insanely large robot exist?! I don't understand! T_T
It doesn't. This is just another bad Internet joke.

It doesn't. This is just another bad Internet joke.

The last episode involves small galaxies being thrown like shurikens.

Question: How the FUCK can such an insanely large robot exist?! I don't understand! T_T

It exists mostly because Simon fucking wants it to. That's actually pretty much the logic behind it.

That is one big mech...

Yes it is. Galaxies like shurikens. A Big Bang as a weapon. Drills as big as galaxies.

Question: How the FUCK can such an insanely large robot exist?! I don't understand! T_T

I suppose this is partly what distinguishes real robots from super robots. Though the show in question seems to be a sort of wacky comedy, anyway, so engineering consistency was probably the last thing on their minds.

I suppose this is partly what distinguishes real robots from super robots. Though the show in question seems to be a sort of wacky comedy, anyway, so engineering consistency was probably the last thing on their minds.

Gurren Lagann is in no way, shape, or form a comedy. It is funny, at times, but it's not a comedy any more than FLCL or Evangelion (because Gurren Lagann was, like FLCL and Evangelion, made by Gainax).

It actually is rather consistent. And bad-ass. If you watch the whole anime, it doesn't seem nearly as silly when you get to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (as distinguished from Gurren Lagann, which is about the size of a gundam).

I have a very long list of favorite anime that needs to be updated, but here goes!

3x3 Eyes
Akira
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Azumanga Daioh
Beyblade
Case Closed/Detective Conan
Cardcaptors
Code Lyoko
Code Geass
Cowboy Bebop
Death Note
Digimon
Dragonball (NOT Z!)
FLCL
Fullmetal Alchemist
Gundam SEED
.hack//SIGN
Inuyasha
Monster Rancher
Naruto
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Now and Then, Here and There
Ouran High School Host Club (the Haninozuka Bros and Hitachiin Twins are my favorite characters, but I can't count out the others either!)
Princess Mononoke
Ranma 1/2
Read or Die
Rurouni Kenshin
Shaman King
Shinzo
Spirited away
Spriggan
Tenchi Muyo
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Wolf's Rain
Yu Yu Hakusho
Zatch Bell
Zoids

Anything by Miyazaki

It's not complete, but you can probably tell the kind of anime I like tends to be of the action/shonen persuasion, with the exception of Ouran, Azumanga and Miyazaki's works. Those of you who know me over in II will recognize some of the anime I stuff into Coredia. ;)

I have to expose all of you to Stinkoman, the ultimate in Japanese Cartoons:
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/8/84/stinkoman.PNG/220px-stinkoman.PNG
ARE YOU ASKING FOR A CHALLENGE!?!

*Blech* I HATE anime.....

Then why are you posting in this thread?

So what if Excel Excel gets killed off all the time? She still manages to come back to life! Besides, she's just so CUTE and happy ^_^ I mean I think that's better then a character that you get all attached to and then DIES and STAYS dead like SOME Anime.

Excel Saga is hilarious.

Though, I don't find it as hilarious as Golden Boy

Anime Favorite- Witch Hunter Robin

Manga Fav- Kindaichi Case Files


Both detective premises, with supernatural twists.

[QUOTE=CoreWorlds;13859983]I have a very long list of favorite anime that needs to be updated, but here goes!

3x3 Eyes
Akira
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Azumanga Daioh
Beyblade
Case Closed/Detective Conan
Cardcaptors
Code Lyoko
Code Geass
Cowboy Bebop
Death Note
Digimon
Dragonball (NOT Z!)
FLCL
Fullmetal Alchemist
Gundam SEED
.hack//SIGN
Inuyasha
Monster Rancher
Naruto
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Now and Then, Here and There
Ouran High School Host Club (the Haninozuka Bros and Hitachiin Twins are my favorite characters, but I can't count out the others either!)
Princess Mononoke
Ranma 1/2
Read or Die
Rurouni Kenshin
Shaman King
Shinzo
Spirited away
Spriggan
Tenchi Muyo
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Wolf's Rain
Yu Yu Hakusho
Zatch Bell
Zoids

Anything by Miyazaki

Heard of most of them, but I've gotta disagree about Miyazaki, I think only Princess Mononoke is good work by him. I know I know now i suck everyones dick.:eek:

Does hentai count? My hentai list is much longer... Lol, just kidding.

I've got a pretty long list, and it may be subject to frequent updates, so here goes:

Anime:
Akira (!!!!..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Case Closed/Detective Conan - kewt!
Digimon
Digimon II
Dominion Tank Police, New Dominion Tank Police
Dragonball
Dragonball Z (...and GT is a big downer)
Fullmetal Alchemist
Ghost in the Shell (any & all)
Gundam (any & all)
Hellsing
Laputa - Castle in the Sky
Monster Rancher
Nausicaa of the Valley of The Wind
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Now and Then, Here and There
Princess Mononoke
Ranma 1/2
Rurouni Kenshin
Spirited away
Spriggan
Wolf's Rain
X/1999 (both the series and the movie)

Manga:
Akira
Caravan Kidd - Yeah, yeah, I know, weird stuff...
Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball (...and GT is a big downer...)
Hellsing (way better than the series, but OVA is equal)
Oh My Goddess
X/1999

Oh, and BTW:


Heard of most of them, but I've gotta disagree about Miyazaki, I think only Princess Mononoke is good work by him. I know I know now i suck everyones dick.:eek:

Yes, indeed, you do.

Not a manga fan, but an anime fan.

Favorite anime series: Ghost in the Shell
Favorite animated movie hands down: Princess Mononoke

Not a manga fan, but an anime fan.

Favorite anime series: Ghost in the Shell
Favorite animated movie hands down: Princess Mononoke

I don't find the Ghost in the Shell show to be as good as the movie.

Seriously Rhy-chan your robot is TOO big and absurd!

Also Ghost in The Shell Anime has it's moments, but I feel it beats out the first and 2nd movie. It's the 3rd movie that I think the show looses out on.

You need to watch Gurren Lagann. It makes sense when you watch it.

...Right. Just like there was weapons of mass destruction overseas. I'll believe it when I see it, and right now there's other anime I need to see. Like this anime about this guy who uses this sword that contains the spirit of his dead sister. I heard that it even turns him into a girl! Or at least he crossdresses in the anime. Then there's Combat Butler which has the butler being forced to crossdress on more then one occation by the girl he cares after.

One of the better opening songs - Record of Lodoss War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJiKEy4rsvA&feature=related) - Karla was one of the more interesting characters as well - great series, the film kinda sucked.

I have heard good things about Record of Lodoss War.

Has anyone ever watched UFO Princess Valkyrie? It's a great anime, has some very nice fan service, and lots of cute catgirls! <3 <3

You need to watch Gurren Lagann. It makes sense when you watch it.

Is the giant (The true size is impossible to describe) robot a good guy or a bad guy?

Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I'd hijack this one.

Ok anime lovers, a question for ya: Has your love of anime inspired you to learn more about Japan? And if so, what are you learning and where from?

And if so, what are you learning and where from?

That there are no real catgirls, giant robots, space aliens, ghosts, magi, giant robot pilots, youkai, oni, cyborgs, etc, in Japan's high schools. That Tokyo isn't the most flammable substance in the world, and that it isn't trashed on a regular basis by giant lizards. :)

On the other side of it, I know a few odds and ends about its early history, some bits from the Sengoku period, some very peculiar, if quaint, customs in war, at least one level of class division hierarchy that lasted until the late 19th century (I think), and that if you aren't born in Japan but live there, or don't resemble a Japanese, you'll forever be a Gaijin. Also, some background information on the development of Japanese religion and mythos regarding Inari and Amaterasu to name a few, including the political effects of Christian missionaries and the uprisings they started leading to the closure of borders to Westerners. Oh, and that Okinawans are viewed as the equivalent of backwater hicks by the rest of Japan in general.

I can't really say if anime inspired it though. I generally end up looking up stuff if I find it interesting enough.

Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I'd hijack this one.

Ok anime lovers, a question for ya: Has your love of anime inspired you to learn more about Japan? And if so, what are you learning and where from?

I have learned more about the food and some of the customs.

My professor, who's Spanish but also looks Japanese in the way he acts (he's spent several years back and forth between Japan and China) has taught me a lot about the way one is supposed to behave while among the Japanese. The respectful terms one uses according to age and familiarity. How to express oneself so one's understood.

Well if nothing else I've learned about honorifics. Also picked up some Japanese language from listening to the sub versions.

Gurren Lagann is in no way, shape, or form a comedy. It is funny, at times, but it's not a comedy any more than FLCL or Evangelion (because Gurren Lagann was, like FLCL and Evangelion, made by Gainax).

It actually is rather consistent. And bad-ass. If you watch the whole anime, it doesn't seem nearly as silly when you get to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (as distinguished from Gurren Lagann, which is about the size of a gundam).

Well, I suppose I'll take your word for it.

I don't find the Ghost in the Shell show to be as good as the movie.

That's because it's generic crap.

That's because it's generic crap.

Indeed it is. And what aggravates it the most, and I apologize beforehand to the native English speaking members of the forum, is the horrible dubbing. Perhaps watching it in Japanese with subtitles wouldn't be that bad, although the series does suck.

Indeed it is. And what aggravates it the most, and I apologize beforehand to the native English speaking members of the forum, is the horrible dubbing. Perhaps watching it in Japanese with subtitles wouldn't be that bad, although the series does suck.

Watching it with subtitles would only draw further attention to the shoddy quality of the writing.

Watching it with subtitles would only draw further attention to the shoddy quality of the writing.

Not if the translation is accurate. Unfortunately, it always isn't.

Indeed it is. And what aggravates it the most, and I apologize beforehand to the native English speaking members of the forum, is the horrible dubbing. Perhaps watching it in Japanese with subtitles wouldn't be that bad, although the series does suck.
agreed... outside of mega studios that can afford good voice dubbers, everything else is crappy.

Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I'd hijack this one.

Ok anime lovers, a question for ya: Has your love of anime inspired you to learn more about Japan? And if so, what are you learning and where from?
I grew up with Anime (Ikku-san!) so... no. Anime didn't inspire me to learn more about Japan.

Well many of the things I learned about anime I learned through watching subtitles. Like not every school wears the same uniforms. I've also learned much about Japan's current state and culture, through reading a book about a Gaijin who went to live with her martial arts instructor. It was really interesting with some of the things in there, including the omai, about all those "favors/debts of gratitude" that you owe people for saving or helping you.

I dunno about Ghost in The Shell series, there's been some really good stuff, like the stuff about Laughing Man was pretty good. Not to mention the story about how the Major got her first body.

I'm pretty sure I didn't see Eureka Seven mentioned in this thread. I loved that show. Colonel Dewey was awesome.

Also, anime did not inspire me to learn more about Japan.

... just seen Grave of the Fireflies.

the first Touch Movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_(manga)) was more of a tear jerker.

Night on the Galactic Railroad (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089206/) was more of a tearjerker than Grave of the Fireflies.

sorry, but I had no sympathy for the kid. sure he was trying to take care of his sister, but his selfishness put them in the situation where she was malnurished and sick.

if they showed him working on getting food, shelter and meds... then maybe...

Yeah, the Ghost in the Shell series is pretty crappy compared to the movie. But then again, a lot of people here seem to like InuYasha, so I can't assume.

Ghost in the Shell, Vampire Hunter D, Heavy Metal ( I know it's different but I love the soundtrack and oldness of it) Initial D, Princess Mononoke, Totoro!

Oh, and Death Note!

sorry, but I had no sympathy for the kid. sure he was trying to take care of his sister, but his selfishness put them in the situation where she was malnurished and sick.

if they showed him working on getting food, shelter and meds... then maybe...
You missed the point, JuNii. There was NO food, shelter, or medication at that time, at least none that a junior high school boy could have access to. This was based on a real story and reflects the terrible time before the end of the war where people were indeed starving to death in Japan

Is the giant (The true size is impossible to describe) robot a good guy or a bad guy?

The one in the GIF I posted is the good one. But it has to fight a bad one of similar size. As it happens, the bad one is more powerful but the good one wins anyways. Because Simon and the others want to win, and they want to win so much that they do.

Well, I suppose I'll take your word for it.

You should. I'm very reliable.

You missed the point, JuNii. There was NO food, shelter, or medication at that time, at least none that a junior high school boy could have access to. This was based on a real story and reflects the terrible time before the end of the war where people were indeed starving to death in Japan

yet my point remains. horrible things happen in war, but what makes it a tragedy is what the people do during the war.

Food was being rationed, so was the meds. yet let's look at his actions and attitude throughout the movie.

in the beginning, you see him securing the food in the buried jar. then he digs it out and presents the food to his mother's sister for them to use. ok. he knows responsibility. add to that he looks after his sister, so he does care about her.

yet at his Aunt's home... his actions of lying around reading, going to the beach and playing... you look at everyone elses reaction. the old lady and the young girl harvesting salt for instance. they're working while the two are playing. add to that the fact that the Aunt is telling the kid to get off his duff and do something.

and what does he do? he takes his little sister and leaves.

Even when he goes to the farmer, he asks for food, does he offer to work on the farm for food? no. he only asks if he can be GIVEN food. he ends up going through homes and stealing food and sellables during air raids... and what is he doing between those raids? playing with his sister. people urge him to return to his aunt yet he refuses... why? because his Aunt wants him to pull his own weight? his cousin is going to school, what's he doing?

yes food and meds were scarce. yet alot of people survived because they pulled together and worked as a community. he however wanted handouts for him and his sister.

had they showed him trying to work for food, trying to pull his own weight before he decided to leave his aunt's place... then I would have more sympathy for him.

yet my point remains. horrible things happen in war, but what makes it a tragedy is what the people do during the war.

Food was being rationed, so was the meds. yet let's look at his actions and attitude throughout the movie.
Ok, let's.

in the beginning, you see him securing the food in the buried jar. then he digs it out and presents the food to his mother's sister for them to use. ok. he knows responsibility. add to that he looks after his sister, so he does care about her.

yet at his Aunt's home... his actions of lying around reading, going to the beach and playing... you look at everyone elses reaction. the old lady and the young girl harvesting salt for instance. they're working while the two are playing. add to that the fact that the Aunt is telling the kid to get off his duff and do something.
Look at the aunt again. She insults them to their faces. She sells off their mothers kimonos for rice, which it should be noted she then keeps for herself. She constantly makes comments about their father, whom, it should be noted, Seita worships. Yes, Seita can be said to lazying about, however I would point out that one, he was working at both a steelworks and going to school before the firebombing, so both places burned down. Two, he was charged with keeping his sister, something that he takes very, very seriously as he is the only family member she has left. Their mother is dead, their father is away (Actually dead), he's it. He's also a young boy, he just watched his mother be burned to a crisp and rejected by his aunt; how do you expect a child to behave in such a situation. He was trying to pull himself and his sister back to a happier time, which is very typical for children experiencing extreme stress.

and what does he do? he takes his little sister and leaves.
His aunt tells them to go.

Even when he goes to the farmer, he asks for food, does he offer to work on the farm for food? no. he only asks if he can be GIVEN food. he ends up going through homes and stealing food and sellables during air raids... and what is he doing between those raids? playing with his sister. people urge him to return to his aunt yet he refuses... why? because his Aunt wants him to pull his own weight? his cousin is going to school, what's he doing?
He didn't ask to be given food, he asked to PAY for the food. The farmer responded that there was no food, at all. That's the point, these are two kids starving to death and there was nothing that they could do. They couldn't pay because the farmer wouldn't accept the money and they wouldn't go back to an aunt who refused to take care of them (Broth while her and her daughter got rice).

yes food and meds were scarce. yet alot of people survived because they pulled together and worked as a community. he however wanted handouts for him and his sister.

had they showed him trying to work for food, trying to pull his own weight before he decided to leave his aunt's place... then I would have more sympathy for him.
Again, what are you asking a young boy who has lost everything to do? Go to relatives who ignore him and his sister, to whom he feels both love and an overwhelming obligation? JuNii, war orphans in Japan didn't get the short end of the stick, they didn't get a stick at all. That's the tragedy of the piece, he did what he thought was best but was caught in a time and an event that he could not control.

The joke about anime is that when the world is about the come to an end, you toss a 14-year-old boy in the cockpit of a giant robot and he will win the day. Grave of the Fireflies shows what actually happens to 14 year olds who get caught in a war.

Look at the aunt again. She insults them to their faces. She sells off their mothers kimonos for rice, which it should be noted she then keeps for herself. Really? what of that large jar she filled up for them? you know, the jar they show him emptying after they left to live in that... mine? cave?

what did they eat while they had that large jar of rice? it certainly wasn't rice from that jar (until she treatened them with nothing but broth and they started cooking in their own room. yet who washed up after they cooked own meals... infact, where did they get the cooking pots and dishes from?)

She constantly makes comments about their father, whom, it should be noted, Seita worships. Yes, Seita can be said to lazying about, however I would point out that one, he was working at both a steelworks and going to school before the firebombing, so both places burned down. and the steelworks were the only place he could work at? I'm sure a farm or two in the area wouldn't mind an extra pair of hands. or even any of the other people they show cleaning up the rubble. and the cousin was going someplace in her school uniform... so perhaps there was a school still operating somewhere...

Two, he was charged with keeping his sister, something that he takes very, very seriously as he is the only family member she has left. Their mother is dead, their father is away (Actually dead), he's it. agreed. yet while staying with his Aunt, he couldn't even wash his own dishes? couldn't help around the house?
He's also a young boy, he just watched his mother be burned to a crisp and rejected by his aunt; how do you expect a child to behave in such a situation. He was trying to pull himself and his sister back to a happier time, which is very typical for children experiencing extreme stress. err... the Aunt accepted him in, and didn't reject him. Was he the only child to loose both parents? no. the other children were also well cared for (what other children? the one helping to harvest salt. the kids who found their shelter "eww, who would eat these?" the ones he overheard a neighbor taking in after loosing their parents ) Granted the Aunt could've been less blunt, but she was also going though alot of stress herself.

His aunt tells them to go. according to the CPM translation, she said (paraphrase) "If you're just going to lay around doing nothing but eating our food, then you should go." and she also inquired about other family. so she wasn't just planning on tossing them out.

and when he does leave, does she complain about all the things he's taking? that was alot more than what he brought in, so it all couldn't be his.

He didn't ask to be given food, he asked to PAY for the food. The farmer responded that there was no food, at all. That's the point, these are two kids starving to death and there was nothing that they could do. They couldn't pay because the farmer wouldn't accept the money and they wouldn't go back to an aunt who refused to take care of them (Broth while her and her daughter got rice). paid with what? he had no money (he got some later, but not then) he obviously wasn't working for the food, so he was asking to be given the food and remember, the farmer gave them food before. yet in a large feild, does he offer work in lieu of food?
The aunt served them broth because they spent days doing nothing, Remember, the first couple of nights they were there, they all had simple meals... all of them. yet while you see the cousin going out (in her school uniform, so we can assume school) the Uncle gone, Seta's not even helping out with the chores. Going to the beach when there was work to be done (or even sought for) wandering the countryside playing with fireflies while the Aunt didn't know where they were.

Again, what are you asking a young boy who has lost everything to do? Go to relatives who ignore him and his sister, to whom he feels both love and an overwhelming obligation? JuNii, war orphans in Japan didn't get the short end of the stick, they didn't get a stick at all. That's the tragedy of the piece, he did what he thought was best but was caught in a time and an event that he could not control. right there, the bolded area. HE thought was best. even tho he's a Junior High School student instead of trying to help the family that took him and his sister in, and thus help the family keep his sister well fed, he lazed about and when push came to shove, he left with his sister, with no money, and little food. he felt the best he could do was leave instead of trying to help the family that took him in and thus help his sister.

he choose to live on their own instead of trying to help the family that took them in. The Relatives didn't ignore them. I could point out where the aunt and her family tried to make them apart of their family, can you point out where and how Seita contributed to the family that took him in?

even when his sister was sick, do you see him swallowing his pride to go back to the aunt? no, was it so bad to be told to find work that he would rather watch his sister die slowly than to even try to ask his aunt for help?

you keep asking what was he supposed to do? yet you are saying he was perfectly right in taking his sister to live in what is basically a cave?

you keep asking what do I expect a young boy who has lost everything to do? anything but spend days lazing about reading, or going to the beach (notice how empty the beach was of swimmers?) or spending long nights playing with fireflies. of course, I would've (as the adult) given the kids something to do to make them feel like a part of the family. take the boy out with me to help around. give him a sense of accomplishment and ultimately have him help the family out by doing odd jobs. you know other children were working through this hard time, why coudn't he?

The joke about anime is that when the world is about the come to an end, you toss a 14-year-old boy in the cockpit of a giant robot and he will win the day. Grave of the Fireflies shows what actually happens to 14 year olds who get caught in a war.
actually, what that showed was what happens to kids who thought only of themselves. notice how other children were healthy while Seita and his sister were not? notice how other kids were being taken in by strangers yet no complaints on how they were lazy or lagabouts?

So you know what else is a good anime? Higurashi no Naku koro ni (http://youtube.com/watch?v=A34dcfHnCMY). It's got the two most adorable anime characters ever in it.

Also, everyone is dead by episode 4. How awesome is that?

Right now my Favorite show is Gundam 00, simply because of its production value, semi-realistic plot, and i love me some giant robots!

My favorite Manga: Bleach

I'm Currently watching: One piece, Bleach(not watching the fillers), Naruto(not watching fillers), Code geass R2, Soul Eater, macross Frontier

Im currently reading: Bleach, naruto, one piece, soul eater, fairy tail, deadman wonderland, and some thing i know im forgetting lol

So you know what else is a good anime? Higurashi no Naku koro ni (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A34dcfHnCMY&feature=related). It's got the two most adorable anime characters ever in it.

Also, everyone is dead by episode 4. How awesome is that?

hmm... I get Video is no longer available...

but it sounds like Blue Gender... where all but two of the people you meet in the beginning are dead by episode 6.

Try it now. Higurashi is a real mind-fuck, though.

Really? what of that large jar she filled up for them? you know, the jar they show him emptying after they left to live in that... mine? cave?
Yeah, the one to of rice, which is about 16qt and they got a small jar of it. Think about that one for a second. Where'd the other rice go? From their mother's possessions.

what did they eat while they had that large jar of rice? it certainly wasn't rice from that jar (until she treatened them with nothing but broth and they started cooking in their own room. yet who washed up after they cooked own meals... infact, where did they get the cooking pots and dishes from?)
Broth, she fed her daughter and her lodger rice and fed them both broth.

and the steelworks were the only place he could work at? I'm sure a farm or two in the area wouldn't mind an extra pair of hands. or even any of the other people they show cleaning up the rubble. and the cousin was going someplace in her school uniform... so perhaps there was a school still operating somewhere...
Except that this was war time Japan, even today you don't just show up at a school asking to go. Given the assignments and the paperwork needed to move about...

agreed. yet while staying with his Aunt, he couldn't even wash his own dishes? couldn't help around the house?
He was shown doing his laundry.

err... the Aunt accepted him in, and didn't reject him. Was he the only child to loose both parents? no. the other children were also well cared for (what other children? the one helping to harvest salt. the kids who found their shelter "eww, who would eat these?" the ones he overheard a neighbor taking in after loosing their parents ) Granted the Aunt could've been less blunt, but she was also going though alot of stress herself.
Can you show that those other children were war orphans? And blunt? Blunt? She was more than blunt!

according to the CPM translation, she said (paraphrase) "If you're just going to lay around doing nothing but eating our food, then you should go." and she also inquired about other family. so she wasn't just planning on tossing them out.
Try saying: Even during an air raid, you're never of any use... If you value your life that much, you should live in that shelter-hole!

In Japanese, that would be akin to a command. Consider further that when they said goodbye, did she try to stop them? No. She knew that they had no idea where they were going, but she just let them go.

and when he does leave, does she complain about all the things he's taking? that was alot more than what he brought in, so it all couldn't be his.
He withdrew his mother's money and paid for all them them.

paid with what? he had no money (he got some later, but not then) he obviously wasn't working for the food, so he was asking to be given the food and remember, the farmer gave them food before. yet in a large feild, does he offer work in lieu of food?
The money he had withdrawn from his mother's bank account. Like so:
SEITA And... we've traded all of Mom's kimono for rice and don't
have anymore. From your place, we've purchased many things
with money before...
MAN I'm not talking about kimono or money. Though we're a farm,
we don't make enough to distribute it to others all the time.
(pause) Never mind that; don't you have other kin? [ET:
relatives]
SEITA Well... I can't get in touch with them.
MAN Then, it's better for you to go back to that house. Besides,
everything's rationed now. If you're not part of a community
group, you can't eat. Apologize and ask them to let you
stay.
SEITA (pause) Sorry <to have bothered you>. I'll try other
places.
MAN You're the son of a marine, aren't you? Don't lose heart.
[ALT: You got to be strong.]

Never did he just ASK for food there.

The aunt served them broth because they spent days doing nothing, Remember, the first couple of nights they were there, they all had simple meals... all of them. yet while you see the cousin going out (in her school uniform, so we can assume school) the Uncle gone, Seta's not even helping out with the chores. Going to the beach when there was work to be done (or even sought for) wandering the countryside playing with fireflies while the Aunt didn't know where they were.
The aunt didn't care where they were, that much is obvious.

right there, the bolded area. HE thought was best. even tho he's a Junior High School student instead of trying to help the family that took him and his sister in, and thus help the family keep his sister well fed, he lazed about and when push came to shove, he left with his sister, with no money, and little food. he felt the best he could do was leave instead of trying to help the family that took him in and thus help his sister.
I don't deny he made mistakes, but I challenge you to live in the same situation and act like a knowledgeable, wise, adult.

he choose to live on their own instead of trying to help the family that took them in. The Relatives didn't ignore them. I could point out where the aunt and her family tried to make them apart of their family, can you point out where and how Seita contributed to the family that took him in?
Brought his family's food for them. Allowed his mother's clothing to be sold for rice that mostly went to his aunt and her family AND her lodger.

even when his sister was sick, do you see him swallowing his pride to go back to the aunt? no, was it so bad to be told to find work that he would rather watch his sister die slowly than to even try to ask his aunt for help?
Was it so bad to be starved by your relatives? Was it so bad to be yelled at to keep your sister quiet at night when she calls for your dead mother? Was it so bad to find out that your aunt told you sister that her mother was dead when you had been trying to keep that a secret?

you keep asking what was he supposed to do? yet you are saying he was perfectly right in taking his sister to live in what is basically a cave?
I never said that, I said that this was a tragedy. Seita was not some callous lazy youth but a boy who was faced with a hard situation in hard times and was trying to do the best he could. Did he make mistakes? Yes. That does not make him less sympathetic though. He was a boy, nothing more.

you keep asking what do I expect a young boy who has lost everything to do? anything but spend days lazing about reading, or going to the beach (notice how empty the beach was of swimmers?) or spending long nights playing with fireflies. of course, I would've (as the adult) given the kids something to do to make them feel like a part of the family. take the boy out with me to help around. give him a sense of accomplishment and ultimately have him help the family out by doing odd jobs. you know other children were working through this hard time, why coudn't he?
You said it yourself, an adult needed to help him find work. An adult needed to bring him into the family. There was no such adult. Instead you're asking a boy to suddenly act like an adult after a tragedy while taking care of a little girl. With no adults there to help guide him or help him. An aunt saying get a job is just as helpful as those who walk up to the homeless and tell them the same. It doesn't actually help that person get a job nor does it address the issues there. It does nothing, less than nothing because then the person who has just made the statement usually then goes ahead and blames the homeless person for everything.

actually, what that showed was what happens to kids who thought only of themselves. notice how other children were healthy while Seita and his sister were not? notice how other kids were being taken in by strangers yet no complaints on how they were lazy or lagabouts?
One, you expect kids to think of others? You need to spend more time around children, JuNii. They are selfish bastards, but they are what they are. Two, no, I didn't see any other kids getting taken in. I just re-read both the synopsis and the script and no-where does that scene appear. I HAVE however read both interviews with the author whose auto-biographical story forms the basis for Grave of the Fireflies and books on conditions during and after the war in Japan that tells that the movie was pretty bang on when talking about the treatment received by war orphans. And finally, I would note that even if there was such a scene, given that the movie focuses on the brother and sister, to expect to hear other war orphans who were taken in to be called ANYTHING is unreasonable.

EVANGELION is cool, Gravion is Awesome, and Soukyuu no Fafner, regardless how sad it is, is on of the best :D

Also, I have just learned that a third season of Higurashi ("Higurashi no Naku koro ni rei") is going to be released. Which makes me incredibly excited.

Any news on Haruhi season 2, by the way?

Neon Genesis Evangelion IS totally badass

If you want a Gundam plot with great action, realistic plot, REALISTIC WARFARE, and PLOT TWISTS, along with FANTASTIC character interaction...go watch Gundam SEED.

I saw bobobobobobobobo (Whatever) last night. One long acid trip or what? :eek:

The only anime I have ever seen are Ninja Scroll, Ghost in a Shell and Akira.

The only anime I have ever seen are Ninja Scroll, Ghost in a Shell and Akira.

Well you got a very nice start with some good classic anime. Now I would encourage you to spread your wings and start finding other fun series. Bleach is one Anime, it's got plot, crazy special effects and action, along with some great plot twists. I'd also reccomend the 2nd and 3rd Ghost in The Shell Movies. Key The Metal Idol is awesome, it's about an android girl that needs 30,000 fans to become human, and her quest for humanity. Trigun is an awesome Anime that combines post-apocalyptic western with some awesome science fiction goodness. Personally I hate westerns, but I LOVE Trigun. Trigun is fun with only a small amount of seriousness in the beginning, and then gets into some really heavy stuff towards the later half. It's also a classic.

Well you got a very nice start with some good classic anime. Now I would encourage you to spread your wings and start finding other fun series. Bleach is one Anime, it's got plot, crazy special effects and action, along with some great plot twists. I'd also reccomend the 2nd and 3rd Ghost in The Shell Movies. Key The Metal Idol is awesome, it's about an android girl that needs 30,000 fans to become human, and her quest for humanity. Trigun is an awesome Anime that combines post-apocalyptic western with some awesome science fiction goodness. Personally I hate westerns, but I LOVE Trigun. Trigun is fun with only a small amount of seriousness in the beginning, and then gets into some really heavy stuff towards the later half. It's also a classic.
Andaras wouldn't be interested in anime, Ayanami, it doesn't conform to his world view that Communism is the one true way after all.

Well you got a very nice start with some good classic anime. Now I would encourage you to spread your wings and start finding other fun series. Bleach is one Anime, it's got plot, crazy special effects and action, along with some great plot twists. I'd also reccomend the 2nd and 3rd Ghost in The Shell Movies. Key The Metal Idol is awesome, it's about an android girl that needs 30,000 fans to become human, and her quest for humanity. Trigun is an awesome Anime that combines post-apocalyptic western with some awesome science fiction goodness. Personally I hate westerns, but I LOVE Trigun. Trigun is fun with only a small amount of seriousness in the beginning, and then gets into some really heavy stuff towards the later half. It's also a classic.

Bleach is too.. shonen for me. The protagonist goes from random nobody to the most powerful being in the world in a few months. Then there's the opponent, who's basically Superman if they decided to use all his powers.

But hey, points for Ishida using his abilities to sew. Comedy gold.

Andaras wouldn't be interested in anime, Ayanami, it doesn't conform to his world view that Communism is the one true way after all.
You people sure love to revert to individualist personal attacks don't you.

You people sure love to revert to individualist personal attacks don't you.

Hey Andaras, what do you do for a living? Since you're ignoring me in the other thread.

Seriously though, Trigun is a good start for Anime. So is Cowboy Beebop. Personally I like Avatar for western anime influenced.

Hey Andaras, what do you do for a living? Since you're ignoring me in the other thread.

Seriously though, Trigun is a good start for Anime. So is Cowboy Beebop. Personally I like Avatar for western anime influenced.

He won't tell me because I'm bourgeois scum. Nice to see he doesn't revert to individual attacks.

You people sure love to revert to individualist personal attacks don't you.
One of these days we REALLY need to buy you a dictionary and a thesaurus.

Andaras wouldn't be interested in anime, Ayanami, it doesn't conform to his world view that Communism is the one true way after all.

You people sure love to revert to individualist personal attacks don't you.

Hey Andaras, what do you do for a living? Since you're ignoring me in the other thread.

He won't tell me because I'm bourgeois scum. Nice to see he doesn't revert to individual attacks.

Can we please not derail this thread with arguments from other threads? It tends to wreck things.

Neon Genesis Evangelion IS totally badass

If you want a Gundam plot with great action, realistic plot, REALISTIC WARFARE, and PLOT TWISTS, along with FANTASTIC character interaction...go watch Gundam SEED.

I would not describe Eva as bad-ass. Mostly because I want to punch all of the characters in the face. Shinji is a whiny little bitch, Asuka is an annoying pompous bitch, Rei is Gendo's bitch, Gendo is a son of a bitch, Misato is Kaji's bitch, Kaji is an asshole, and I don't really have a problem with Akagi.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I like Eva. It's a very interesting series and the characters are very fleshed out and somewhat dynamic. But I wouldn't call it bad-ass. Higurashi? Bad-ass (most of the time). Gurren Lagann? Epically bad-ass. Fist of the North Star? Disturbingly bad-ass. But Eva's too thought-provoking to be bad-ass.

Well you got a very nice start with some good classic anime. Now I would encourage you to spread your wings and start finding other fun series. Bleach is one Anime, it's got plot, crazy special effects and action, along with some great plot twists. I'd also reccomend the 2nd and 3rd Ghost in The Shell Movies. Key The Metal Idol is awesome, it's about an android girl that needs 30,000 fans to become human, and her quest for humanity. Trigun is an awesome Anime that combines post-apocalyptic western with some awesome science fiction goodness. Personally I hate westerns, but I LOVE Trigun. Trigun is fun with only a small amount of seriousness in the beginning, and then gets into some really heavy stuff towards the later half. It's also a classic.

agreed. and to add on... Appleseed: Ex Machina was ok, as well as the first Patlabor movie.

I watched more Tokusatsus(counting the sequels) than Animes.

Jiraiya, Jiban, Kamen Rider, Power Rangers(EPIC FAIL, but I was like 6 years old by then).

On animes, of again, most I watched in my youth: POKEMANS and some of its derivatives(by the time mudkips didn't exist, first generation I believe), Dragon Quest, Saint Seya, Akira, Elfen Lied and Eva.

Overall, I don't prefer it over western animation, nor I prefer western animation over it.

I like violent, cynical and brutal stories, so I suppose it's not necessary to mention which was my favorite.

Is Mnemosyne as cool as it seems to be?

I need a GORY recommendation on anime that really rocks. I won't mind if it's the Anime equivalent of Cannibal Holocaust either.

Yeah, the one to of rice, which is about 16qt and they got a small jar of it. Think about that one for a second. Where'd the other rice go? From their mother's possessions. didn't the aunt say that the rest would be used by all of them?

and did you see the amount left in the bag after filling the jar? he got most of that, if not half. so it goes to show that for the small amout of food they got, she gave them a fair share, and not "all of it" that you said earlier.

Broth, she fed her daughter and her lodger rice and fed them both broth. go watch again, the first couple nights when they were eating together, they we're all eating the same thing. the broth was served days later.

Except that this was war time Japan, even today you don't just show up at a school asking to go. Given the assignments and the paperwork needed to move about... ah, so you're saying then that because it's war, and thus no papers being moved around, schools won't take in chilren refugees from other parts of the country?

He was shown doing his laundry. no, all that was shown was his clothes hanging.

Can you show that those other children were war orphans? And blunt? Blunt? She was more than blunt!agreed. I can't but at the same time, you can't say that all war orphans were in the same boat as seita and his sister. and yes, she was more than blunt but he was doing nothing.

Try saying: Even during an air raid, you're never of any use... If you value your life that much, you should live in that shelter-hole!

In Japanese, that would be akin to a command. Consider further that when they said goodbye, did she try to stop them? No. She knew that they had no idea where they were going, but she just let them go. and when she said that, can you list all the activities seita did while living with his aunt?

Times were hard, everyone was pitching in and the aunt has to worry not only about her neice and nephew, but also about her own family.

He withdrew his mother's money and paid for all them them. at the end... When his sister died, long after he left his aunt's.

The money he had withdrawn from his mother's bank account. Like so:
again that was near the end. now let's disect the following conversation.
SEITA And... we've traded all of Mom's kimono for rice and don't have anymore. From your place, we've purchased many things with money before... now is he talking about him and his sister doing the purchasing after they moved out, or his aunt when they first moved in?
MAN I'm not talking about kimono or money. Though we're a farm, we don't make enough to distribute it to others all the time. (pause) Never mind that; don't you have other kin? [ET: relatives] funny that word used. Distribute. granted it could be translation quirk. but he used distribute, that means to divide. if he sold food to him and his sister (after they moved out) why say we don't make enough to sell. and note, "all the time."

SEITA Well... I can't get in touch with them
MAN Then, it's better for you to go back to that house. Besides,
everything's rationed now. If you're not part of a community
group, you can't eat. Apologize and ask them to let you
stay..[QUOTE] here the farmer is telling him to go back. swallow his pride and be part of a community... that is also a hint to pull his own weight of the work.
[QUOTE=NERVUN;13865050]SEITA (pause) Sorry <to have bothered you>. I'll try other places. and of course, seita, with his years of experience of living alone makes his own decision.
Never did he just ASK for food there.neither did Seita offer to buy nor work for food.

The aunt didn't care where they were, that much is obvious. yep, because he [seita] made his decision to leave.

I don't deny he made mistakes, but I challenge you to live in the same situation and act like a knowledgeable, wise, adult. Once my town was hit with a powerful storm, rain, near hurricane force winds. granted, not a war situation, but one that left our town flooded and without power for several days. (not hurricane Iniki btw... that was years later.) and I helped with the clean up around the neighborhood. granted I couldn't do much, but I did what I could. I would admit, the adults were supportive. they encouraged the participation without the snide remarks (which is why I also lay blame on the Aunt and Uncle) but I didn't just laze around while the adults did the work either.


Brought his family's food for them. Allowed his mother's clothing to be sold for rice that mostly went to his aunt and her family AND her lodger. and who were the other lodger's? and what were they doing while they were there? how long were Seita and his sister staying there? days? weeks? months?

Was it so bad to be starved by your relatives? They were not starved. but neither did they help out.
Was it so bad to be yelled at to keep your sister quiet at night when she calls for your dead mother? and how long after they arrived this happened? a couple of days later? a week or so later?
Was it so bad to find out that your aunt told you sister that her mother was dead when you had been trying to keep that a secret?every one has their own way of dealing with grief, and how they handled the death of the mother was never part of my complaint about the movie. But if you knew that your little sister was all that you had until your father returns (news that his father was possibly dead didn't reach him till much later) would you just sit around and read? take her to the beach while others are struggling to peice their lives back together?

I never said that, I said that this was a tragedy. Seita was not some callous lazy youth but a boy who was faced with a hard situation in hard times and was trying to do the best he could. Did he make mistakes? Yes. That does not make him less sympathetic though. He was a boy, nothing more. yet when told to do something other than just eat food other's are working for, instead of trying to find something else to do, he was too afraid to leave his sister's side.

yes he made mistakes. yes that is tragic (I never claimed otherwise) but his [percieved] selfishness didn't make him sympathetic to me. If he really cared about the welfare of his sister, why didn't he put the effort he made to make them comfortable when they moved out, while he was still living with his aunt. had he brought back one fish from his forays to the stream, or fish and/or salt from the ocean (or even shown that he was trying to fish) it would've shown that he was trying to help the family that was taking care of both him and his sister. yet after explaining to his sister (one of many times) about the rationing of salt and other food items, they go off an play. Even tho times were hard, instead of trying to pull his own weight, all the movie showed is him reading, going to the beach, taking midnight strolls... and we know he knows the situation.


You said it yourself, an adult needed to help him find work. An adult needed to bring him into the family. There was no such adult. Instead you're asking a boy to suddenly act like an adult after a tragedy while taking care of a little girl. With no adults there to help guide him or help him. An aunt saying get a job is just as helpful as those who walk up to the homeless and tell them the same. It doesn't actually help that person get a job nor does it address the issues there. It does nothing, less than nothing because then the person who has just made the statement usually then goes ahead and blames the homeless person for everything. and didn't she ask him (hinting) that shouldn't he be in school? when the aunt made those comment about him not pulling his own weight, did he strive to find out what he could do? or did he shut him and his sister in their room and cook their own food (and yet, couldn't wash their own dishes.)

One, you expect kids to think of others? You need to spend more time around children, JuNii. They are selfish bastards, but they are what they are. yet, as you keep saying, he tried to take care of his sister and was devoted to her well being... and I agree, other kids shown were selfish. imagine, helping their elder relative harvest salt... especially when you see other children playing in the ocean... oh wait, that was just seita and his sister playing...
and there are other countries (granted, not war torn) where children seita's age are running banks and earning a living (India).
I've spent time around children to know that yes, while some can be selfish bastards, others show as much maturity as your average adult... ok, considering some adults I know IRL... more matruity than your average adult. :p
Two, no, I didn't see any other kids getting taken in. I just re-read both the synopsis and the script and no-where does that scene appear. I HAVE however read both interviews with the author whose auto-biographical story forms the basis for Grave of the Fireflies and books on conditions during and after the war in Japan that tells that the movie was pretty bang on when talking about the treatment received by war orphans. at the hospital. before they took the mother out to be buried. one of the side conversations were about a woman taking in several orphans and the women commenting how sad it was for the children to loose their parents. no comment how those children would be a burden on those that took them in.

and I never said those conditions didn't exist. nor did I say that that the film was unrealistic. I just said I had no sympathy for Seita and his sister due to his actions at his Aunt's. because of that, I didn't find the movie as a tear-jerker that others said it was.

now had they tried to insert this angle...
The film is based on a true story. Akiyuki Nosaka lost his little sister during the war to malnutrition and blamed himself for her death. He wrote Hotaru no haka (A Grave of Fireflies) in 1967 to come to terms with it. and if they tried to show how he blamed himself for Setsuko's Death... ok, then I might be different.

And finally, I would note that even if there was such a scene, given that the movie focuses on the brother and sister, to expect to hear other war orphans who were taken in to be called ANYTHING is unreasonable. however, everyone (including the adults caring for the war orphans) reacts differently. they tried to show a tragic tale focused on those two yet didn't strive to make the characters sympathetic to the viewers (or at least to me).

I understand they tried to make it tragic. I know Seito is responsible but during the time with the Aunt (several days infact) they didn't show that responsiblity.

btw, I like this disection of a movie. much better than the typical "anime sucks" and "Naruto Rules" :cool:

I need a GORY recommendation on anime that really rocks. I won't mind if it's the Anime equivalent of Cannibal Holocaust either.

Higurashi no Naku koro ni (http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/RhynoD2/ug0e6194-87c.gif).

Well Ayanami Rei wasn't Gendo's bitch at the end, she was Shinji's bitch. Also at the end of the SERIES Shinji had somewhat of a spine, in the MOVIE all that went away.

Ichigo wasn't just some random guy. He was a dude who was almost a gang leader in his own right. Not only that, but he was always absurdly strong, and he could see ghosts. I mean that's totally better then something like Hikaru no Go, where it's some random kid who finds that Go table by luck that allows him to find that Go spirit. Or how about Sailor Moon since the girl was secretly a reincarnated princess, but originally just some air-headed clumsy blonde!

You know what was awesome? Key The Metal Idol ^^

Well Ayanami Rei wasn't Gendo's bitch at the end, she was Shinji's bitch. Also at the end of the SERIES Shinji had somewhat of a spine, in the MOVIE all that went away.

Gendo's bitch, Shinji's bitch...either way, she couldn't think for herself.

Please tell me you've seen Eva: Redeath.

No. I didn't see that one yet, but I want to. I only saw the 1st two movies T_T

No. I didn't see that one yet, but I want to. I only saw the 1st two movies T_T

It's fucking hilarious.

i can't think of any i've seen yet that i didn't like, other then that very unkitsuni like punk kid and d'ball. my favorites though, i've only seen small parts of and can never remember, or half the time even learn, the names of most of them. i mean all the names i know and could drop, but by the time i learn the names of them, and have seen enough to decide what ranking to put them in, the're years ancient, and totally forgotten and superceeded by the next crop. i live what i've seen of some of the charicters in inuyashi.

but darn, there's a couple of dozzen ones, like i say, that i've seen like one random odd episode of, or an amv outtake on u-tube or something. or in the anime room at furcon, which even that's been more then a couple of years now.

names i CAN remeber include something i THINK called dan cougar, definately chobbits, and fruits basket, the one with 'twinkle toes' the air elemental, or some such, rainma1/2, ixor, direty pair, green green, ummm, but there's a couple with giant robots AND (space) 'pierats', one with some over the top goddessess, something i think called 12 kingdoms, something where a bunch of kids are caught in their mmo, other things with shape chainging critter people, the list goes on and on, and i honestly don't know the name's of half of them to save me. but i like them a lot, ESPECIALLY some of the ones i haven't the slightest idea what the're called, or were.

=^^=
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The one in the GIF I posted is the good one. But it has to fight a bad one of similar size. As it happens, the bad one is more powerful but the good one wins anyways. Because Simon and the others want to win, and they want to win so much that they do.

Eh, I don't particularly care for happy endings without great cost, and this sounds as if they get victory handed to them. Nothing kills my enthusiasm like a deus ex machina that leaves the heros unscathed and victorious.

Eh, I don't particularly care for happy endings without great cost, and this sounds as if they get victory handed to them. Nothing kills my enthusiasm like a deus ex machina that leaves the heros unscathed and victorious.

Oh no, it's not like that at all. The ending is actually rather gut-wrenching. I'm over-simplifying that they win because Simon wants to win. That's the core of it, but the process is more complex and emotional than that: Simon's desire to win is not a casual inclination, but an incredible determination that persists through, and in part is created by, painful losses and sacrifice. Simon isn't simply rolling over an easy foe, he is surpassing all odds and defeating a terrible, powerful enemy through sheer determination, because it has to be done.

I remind you again that Gurren Lagann was created by Gainax, the same people who did Evangelion and FLCL: their characters and plots are never shallow, eh?

Nia: Even if we were to be enslaved in the galaxy's cycle of rebirth,
Yoko: the feelings that were left behind will open the door!
Leeron: Even if the infinite Universe were to go against us,
Viral: our burning blood will cut through fate!
Simon: We'll break through the heavens and dimensions!
Everyone but Simon: We'll show you our path through force!
Simon: The Heaven Shattering... Gurren-Lagann!
Everyone: WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE?!

RE: to the person who wanted Gory Anime recommendations...

have you checked out the BLOOD+ series?

didn't the aunt say that the rest would be used by all of them?

and did you see the amount left in the bag after filling the jar? he got most of that, if not half. so it goes to show that for the small amout of food they got, she gave them a fair share, and not "all of it" that you said earlier.
That jar was NOT 8qts, not even close. If the aunt got one to of rice it wouldn't have all fit in that bag. The majority of the rice she kept for her and her family and lodger.

go watch again, the first couple nights when they were eating together, they we're all eating the same thing. the broth was served days later.

Nope: It's dinnertime, and Seita's aunt is serving a rice soup of some kind. As she ladles the food into the bowls, it's clear that the daughter and the aunt's lodger are getting rice, while Seita and Setsuko are simply receiving broth.
http://www.nausicaa.net/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_%28synopsis_-_Page_5%29

ah, so you're saying then that because it's war, and thus no papers being moved around, schools won't take in chilren refugees from other parts of the country?
To enroll in a school in Japan, one has to have a certain amount of paperwork. For Japanese citizens (Which in war time Japan there were no other) this would be the family registry. Said family registries would be, at that time, on file with both the local ward office and the Shinto shrine that the family was registered to. Neither of which probably survived the firebombing, not to mention were in Kobe as opposed to wherever they went to.

no, all that was shown was his clothes hanging.
He hung them up, showing he was doing chores around the house.

agreed. I can't but at the same time, you can't say that all war orphans were in the same boat as seita and his sister. and yes, she was more than blunt but he was doing nothing.
Yes, I can. In 1948 report by the Ministry of Health and Welfare put the number of war orphans and homeless children at 123,510, of whom 28,248 had lost their parents in air raids. Osaragi Jiro, a Japanese author noted for his humanism responded as to why these kids lived in railroad stations, under trestles and overpasses, and in abandoned ruins instead of being cared for by the people around them or the state; that the state lacked the funds, but on reflection he realized that this was not right and that, in fact, it was because Japanese as a people just have no love towards strangers. He, himself, was no exception and the great humanist had no desire to take these filthy urchins in to try and straighten them out. It took years, JuNii for some of these orphans to reintegrate into the system and even then they were forever stigmatized as orphans. As for the lack of food part, well, at the end of the war, at a government repartition center, an average of 15 children a day were dying from malnutrition*. That was just one center, run on the grid as it were. Compare this to Seita and Setsuko who were off it.

Yeah, this was indeed happening in Japan

*All the above information BTW is from Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II by John W. Dower

at the end... When his sister died, long after he left his aunt's.

No, in the middle.
On the trolley, Seita tells Setsuko that their mother has 7000 yen in the bank. "Enough to live on," he says. They stop at a post office and write another letter to their father, asking him to write back soon.
http://www.nausicaa.net/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_%28synopsis_-_Page_6%29
Said while still at their aunt's, contrasted with:
Horrible looking clouds hang overhead as Seita goes to the bank and withdraws the last 3000 yen.
http://www.nausicaa.net/wiki/Grave_of_the_Fireflies_%28synopsis_-_Page_10%29
So obviously he had withdrawn the money beforehand while at his aunt's house. This is what he used to buy things with.

again that was near the end.
Nope, right in the middle, right after the scene with the boys who find their shelter.
http://www.nausicaa.net/w/images/e/e2/Grave_script_english.txt

now is he talking about him and his sister doing the purchasing after they moved out, or his aunt when they first moved in?
After, look at this line:
(At the farm, Seita is returning the cart.)

SEITA Thank you.
MAN Just leave it around there.
SEITA Ahm... Can you sell me a little more hay and something that
can be a side-dish? [ALT: part of dinner]
MAN Sure... I only have what I have though...

While not the same farmer, it's obvious that they have been buying food with money or trading the remainder of their mother's things to eat.

funny that word used. Distribute. granted it could be translation quirk. but he used distribute, that means to divide. if he sold food to him and his sister (after they moved out) why say we don't make enough to sell. and note, "all the time."
Not at all, given the Japanese used. In this case it's a matter of the Japanese term not quite equating with the English, the meaning is clear enough, they don't have enough to give either by trade or cash. Furthermore, their is the meaning where the farmer is also noting that they cannot even manage the distribution quotas for the food rations, this was quite normal for the end of the war.

here the farmer is telling him to go back. swallow his pride and be part of a community... that is also a hint to pull his own weight of the work.
and of course, seita, with his years of experience of living alone makes his own decision.
neither did Seita offer to buy nor work for food.
Yes, he did. Once again,
SEITA And... we've traded all of Mom's kimono for rice and don't
have anymore. From your place, we've purchased many things
with money before...
The scene, one that a Japanese audience would key in on immediately is one where Seita has been told that he cannot buy food there. He is asking, in Japanese fashion, why his money is no good, noting that he no longer has any goods to trade and hoping the farmer will reconsider. This is confirmed by this line:
MAN I'm not talking about kimono or money.
Now if Seita just asked for food, why on earth would the farmer say I'm not talking about kimono or money? Obviously here Seita had been offering money for food and the farmer is letting him know there is no food to be had at any price. There's no evidence that Seita was just asking for food without offering money in exchange but a lot of evidence that he was paying for it, at least at this point in time.

yep, because he [seita] made his decision to leave.
If you cared about a child, would you really accept a junior high school kid's decision to run away with his younger sister in the middle of a war when he admits that he has no plan of action? Of course not.

Once my town was hit with a powerful storm, rain, near hurricane force winds. granted, not a war situation, but one that left our town flooded and without power for several days. (not hurricane Iniki btw... that was years later.) and I helped with the clean up around the neighborhood. granted I couldn't do much, but I did what I could. I would admit, the adults were supportive. they encouraged the participation without the snide remarks (which is why I also lay blame on the Aunt and Uncle) but I didn't just laze around while the adults did the work either.
JuNii, as powerful as that storm was, it was not the destruction wrought by the firebombing of Kobe which destroyed half the city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Kobe_in_World_War_II Nor did you have to see your mother die while wrapped in bloody bandages (At least I hope not). Nor were you forced to move in with a distant non-bloody relative who obviously didn't care what you were going through.

As you said yourself, you had adults there to help you out with the storm damage, Seita had no one.

and who were the other lodger's? and what were they doing while they were there? how long were Seita and his sister staying there? days? weeks? months?
We don't know any of those, we do know that the man seen was a lodger, not Seita's uncle, but we don't know his situation or how long the children were there.

They were not starved. but neither did they help out.
Really? How about this then:

(Seita and Setsuko returns. Their aunt is scraping the bottom of a pot
to get the burnt scraps.)

SEITA We're back.
AUNT That was long. [ALT: You're back late.] Did you thank the
lady? [Note: In Japanese, "Oba-san" is not only "aunt" but
is also used in reference to any middle aged woman.]
SEITA Yes.
(As the kids retire to their room, Seita peers back at the kitchen and
swallows.)

SEITA That looked good...
They were in the bath, Auntie 'forgot' to give them dinner.

would you just sit around and read? take her to the beach while others are struggling to peice their lives back together?
Wouldn't you want to take care of your sister, make her happy? Try to make it so that things were back to the way they were before the terrible event?

yet when told to do something other than just eat food other's are working for, instead of trying to find something else to do, he was too afraid to leave his sister's side.
Wouldn't you be? At the beginning of the film, during the firebombing, their mother says something to the effect that if anything happens to them (The children) she could never face their father. Seita makes the same claim later on, echoing her words and showing his commitment to his sister.

yes he made mistakes. yes that is tragic (I never claimed otherwise) but his [percieved] selfishness didn't make him sympathetic to me. If he really cared about the welfare of his sister, why didn't he put the effort he made to make them comfortable when they moved out, while he was still living with his aunt. had he brought back one fish from his forays to the stream, or fish and/or salt from the ocean (or even shown that he was trying to fish) it would've shown that he was trying to help the family that was taking care of both him and his sister. yet after explaining to his sister (one of many times) about the rationing of salt and other food items, they go off an play. Even tho times were hard, instead of trying to pull his own weight, all the movie showed is him reading, going to the beach, taking midnight strolls... and we know he knows the situation.
And again, this is a boy being forced to be an adult. It's unfair to expect him to be so or to do so, especially without any adult guidance to help him out.

and didn't she ask him (hinting) that shouldn't he be in school? when the aunt made those comment about him not pulling his own weight, did he strive to find out what he could do? or did he shut him and his sister in their room and cook their own food (and yet, couldn't wash their own dishes.)
And he pointed out that his school was gone along with the place where he worked. Did she offer to help him with the authorities who have less than no time for children, especially war orphans? Did she offer sympathy to him for the loss of his mother? Did she give the food she got from their mother's things to them equally? No. She did nothing but bark out useless phrases.

yet, as you keep saying, he tried to take care of his sister and was devoted to her well being... and I agree, other kids shown were selfish. imagine, helping their elder relative harvest salt... especially when you see other children playing in the ocean... oh wait, that was just seita and his sister playing...
All of those kids had parents or other caring relatives, Seita had none. What is an adult to do but teach and guide children? Children aren't just born with these ideas after all, they must be taught and learned like everything else and Seita had no teacher to help him.

and there are other countries (granted, not war torn) where children seita's age are running banks and earning a living (India).
And in India there are outcast children who die from malnutrition everyday as well. More of them than the ones running banks I am more than willing to wager. Saying that there are extraordinary children means nothing for the masses who are not gifted or lucky. It's like saying that everyone can be as rich as Bill Gates, well, no, it doesn't work that way.

at the hospital. before they took the mother out to be buried. one of the side conversations were about a woman taking in several orphans and the women commenting how sad it was for the children to loose their parents. no comment how those children would be a burden on those that took them in.
Not there in the script. That scene plays out like so:
(Another day. The body of Seita and Setsuko's mother is being carried
out for cremation.)

MAN1 We can't take off the bandage. It's better not to look at
the body.
MAN2 With this heat...
MAN1 We have to use trucks starting today.
MAN3 Your sister... What did you do with her?
SEITA I left her with our distant relative in Nishinomiya. We had
arrangements for us to stay there in case we got burned out
<of our home>.
MAN3 Is that so? That's good. Well, I have duties, so I'll leave
you here. Take care. [LT: Be well.]


and I never said those conditions didn't exist. nor did I say that that the film was unrealistic. I just said I had no sympathy for Seita and his sister due to his actions at his Aunt's. because of that, I didn't find the movie as a tear-jerker that others said it was.
Then we must agree to disagree.

now had they tried to insert this angle...
and if they tried to show how he blamed himself for Setsuko's Death... ok, then I might be different.
I'd say he did blame himself. Remember, he took Setsuko's ashes with him, he left his mother's ashes back in the shelter.

however, everyone (including the adults caring for the war orphans) reacts differently. they tried to show a tragic tale focused on those two yet didn't strive to make the characters sympathetic to the viewers (or at least to me).
Given that just about everyone who watches Grave of the Fireflies comes out in tears and finds extreme sympathy with Seita... I think it's just you. ;)

I understand they tried to make it tragic. I know Seito is responsible but during the time with the Aunt (several days infact) they didn't show that responsiblity.
They showed a child acting like a child, like the majority of children do. Especially ones caught up in a very bad situation.

btw, I like this disection of a movie. much better than the typical "anime sucks" and "Naruto Rules" :cool:
That's what happens when you pick a fight with a former grad student, we LOVE to over analyze things. :p

Gendo's bitch, Shinji's bitch...either way, she couldn't think for herself.
Oh she certainly DID think for herself at the end. She didn't do what Gendou wanted after all.

Oh she certainly DID think for herself at the end. She didn't do what Gendou wanted after all.

Well it certainly took long enough. And anyways, then she refused to make a decision and left it on Shinji.

Meh. She became a goddess at the end, she can do whatever she damn well pleased. =P

Heh-just noticed the pic from perfect blue. I have that on DVD.

OMFG! i am SO jealous! I've wanted to see that OVA for a while, but it is never on netflix. Of course I have problems with subs, so yeah.

I am currently finishing Witch Hunter Robin (has ANYONE seen it but me?) and Then I shall watch Mobile Suit Gundam, then the rest of the Universal (non-alternate the original) timeline.

I happen to LOVE subtitles. 90% of the time, I find that the voices are better then the dub voices. Not only that, but I can almost always read the subtitles just fine ^_^;

Oh and sorry for 3 in a row, but is all that dumb philisophical discussion about "Grave of the Fireflies"?

I happen to LOVE subtitles. 90% of the time, I find that the voices are better then the dub voices. Not only that, but I can almost always read the subtitles just fine ^_^;

Me thinks you are a genius! In all seriousness. I cannot use subtitles for stuff like his work, esp. Millenium Actress. That was so confusing to me, I actually only watched like the first 15 minutes.

I am currently finishing Witch Hunter Robin (has ANYONE seen it but me?)I've seen it; and I quite liked it too.
Different from most anime I've seen, though. But then variation is the spice of life.

I happen to LOVE subtitles. 90% of the time, I find that the voices are better then the dub voices. Not only that, but I can almost always read the subtitles just fine ^_^;I particularly like fansubs. One thing I like about fansubs is that they often add in extra information; like, spice and wolf had some excerpt from the light novel, and sayonara zetsubo sensei had the character names explained as well as all the little jokes on signs/blackboard translated. And of course, even despite occasionally bad spelling and awkward translation, you can just feel the love that went into fansubs.
Some of the professional subs, in general, I have to wonder if they even watched what they're translating.

and sayonara zetsubo sensei had the character names explained as well as all the little jokes on signs/blackboard translated.

Yeah, I missed 99% of those because the dialogue moves so fast. I did catch a couple, like the Gurren Lagann reference.

I've seen it; and I quite liked it too.
Different from most anime I've seen, though. But then variation is the spice of life.

I particularly like fansubs. One thing I like about fansubs is that they often add in extra information; like, spice and wolf had some excerpt from the light novel, and sayonara zetsubo sensei had the character names explained as well as all the little jokes on signs/blackboard translated. And of course, even despite occasionally bad spelling and awkward translation, you can just feel the love that went into fansubs.
Some of the professional subs, in general, I have to wonder if they even watched what they're translating.

Yeah I also like how they tend to explain certain words and jokes as well better in fansubs then the professional stuff.

Oh and sorry for 3 in a row, but is all that dumb philisophical discussion about "Grave of the Fireflies"?
Yes, it IS about Grave of the Fireflies, but if you think it's a dumb philosophical discussion, well, you won't be lasting long on this board.

Well it certainly took long enough. And anyways, then she refused to make a decision and left it on Shinji.
In the year time period that Eva runs for Rei goes from an unemotional doll to (At the time of Rei II's death) a young girl starting to come to terms with having feelings AND having feelings for someone else. Rei III showed her feelings even faster. Yes, she left the decision to Shinji, but because of lack of will power, but because she cared for him and wanted him to be happy.

Besides, she got to screw Shinji in the end, so I'm pretty sure that she went out happy (And given Shinji, she probably had to tie him down before she got any anyway ;) ).

it's the lowest form of animation,
and people should be ashamed to have an affinity for it.

that is all I have to say on the subject for now.

it's the lowest form of animation,
and people should be ashamed to have an affinity for it.

that is all I have to say on the subject for now.
:rolleyes:

That's all I have to say for you since you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

On the subject of Japan-amation,
and while there are some which are not offensive, they are very few.

I will say that I don't consider Steam Boy in the area of Anime, as it was done
in western style animation. With a good plot and amazing detail of the scenes.

But the bulk of anime is just about as bad as Family guy or South Park.

On the subject of Japan-amation,
Strike one, no one calls in Japanimation any more, it is called by it's Japanese name, anime (Which there's something extremely amusing about, but that's another post).

and while there are some which are not offensive, they are very few.
Ah, no. The very, very large bulk of it are indeed targeted at young children or are meant for family entertainment. Sazae-san, Doraemon, Anpanman, Tonari no Totoro and the like. Unless you have lived in Japan, I can guarantee you that you have not seen most of what has been created. The demographic target of the US or other Western countries is very different from what is considered mainstream here.

I will say that I don't consider Steam Boy in the area of Anime, as it was done
in western style animation. With a good plot and amazing detail of the scenes.
Steam Boy is anime. Most theatrical releases in Japan contain amazing detail (Sen to Chihiro springs to mind, or the background of Mononoke no Hime. Heck, Evangelion 1.0 You are (Not) Alone was breathtaking). Anime as a genre ranges all over the place in terms of plot as well, just like all Western movies. Some are very simplistic, some get so deep in symbolism that it's hard to tell which way is up.

But the bulk of anime is just about as bad as Family guy or South Park.
No, it's not.

Besides, she got to screw Shinji in the end, so I'm pretty sure that she went out happy (And given Shinji, she probably had to tie him down before she got any anyway ;) ).

In the head, not carnally. Unless you happen to think that intercourse involves sticking your hand through your partners chest that is.

In the head, not carnally. Unless you happen to think that intercourse involves sticking your hand through your partners chest that is.
They were joined together at the pelvic region right at the end before the beach scene. Every time I see it, it really does look like Rei finally got her wish to "Become one with Ikari-kun". There seems to be some support from Gainax for that as well (Maybe, Gainax keeps changing its answers and is about as forthcoming as Gendou about what the hell is going on).

They were joined together at the pelvic region right at the end before the beach scene. Every time I see it, it really does look like Rei finally got her wish to "Become one with Ikari-kun". There seems to be some support from Gainax for that as well (Maybe, Gainax keeps changing its answers and is about as forthcoming as Gendou about what the hell is going on).

You do realize how messed up that is, right? Since Rei is a clone of Shinji's mother...

And yes, that's a spoiler, but if you don't already know that by now and you actually care about anime at all, you live under a rock.

You do realize how messed up that is, right? Since Rei is a clone of Shinji's mother...
Half clone, at best. But a clone is a clone is a clone and not his actual mother.

Half clone, at best. But a clone is a clone is a clone and not his actual mother.

Half of his mother is still too weird for me. Shinji's all kinds of fucked up anyways.

Half of his mother is still too weird for me. Shinji's all kinds of fucked up anyways.
Shinji is a boy with many emotional and physiological problems, that's what makes him very interesting as a character.

Shinji is a boy with many emotional and physiological problems, that's what makes him very interesting as a character.

Shinji is way more fucked up than I was a kid.

Shinji is way more fucked up than I was a kid.
Were you abandoned by your father after watching your mother get absorbed by a mechanical monster just to be called back 10 years later and told that you have to now pilot a giant robot in order to save humanity by that same father?

There's some good reasons why Shinji is so messed up (And you're not). In many ways, I LIKE Shinji because he actually acts human, not as the normal stereotypical hero that normally gets play in these types of anime (Yeah, Gundam, I'm looking at you).

They were joined together at the pelvic region right at the end before the beach scene. Every time I see it, it really does look like Rei finally got her wish to "Become one with Ikari-kun". There seems to be some support from Gainax for that as well (Maybe, Gainax keeps changing its answers and is about as forthcoming as Gendou about what the hell is going on).

Sure they were, they also seemed to have the consistency of really soft gelatin, given that Rei's hand was literally inside his chest. Becoming one doesn't have to mean carnal knowledge when you're more a liquid than a solid.

In either case, the whole Marduk thing and the business with the Children didn't seem to make much sense to me. You'd think anyone with that level of priority as a combat agent would be kept on a strict military conditioning regime from day one and not "when it's convenient" or "just before we all die".

Were you abandoned by your father after watching your mother get absorbed by a mechanical monster just to be called back 10 years later and told that you have to now pilot a giant robot in order to save humanity by that same father?

There's some good reasons why Shinji is so messed up (And you're not). In many ways, I LIKE Shinji because he actually acts human, not as the normal stereotypical hero that normally gets play in these types of anime (Yeah, Gundam, I'm looking at you).

See, I appreciate human characters, but at the same time I don't particularly want to watch shows about them. I enjoy Gurren Lagann so much because of how inspiring the characters are. Shinji is a whiny little bitch. If it I went through the same stuff, I would probably be a whiny little bitch, too. But it gets annoying after a while, yeah? He's real character, but he's really annoying, too. So I would appreciate a bit of fiction to make the characters more likable. That said, I really do appreciate the depth of the characters in Eva. It's a good anime. I mean, I really, truly despise Asuka. That's talent, eh?

Sure they were, they also seemed to have the consistency of really soft gelatin, given that Rei's hand was literally inside his chest. Becoming one doesn't have to mean carnal knowledge when you're more a liquid than a solid.
Becoming one with someone of the opposite sex is akin to saying "I wanna mount her" in Japanese.

Of course given Eva, there might be other embedded meanings, but... It still looks like she was riding him.

In either case, the whole Marduk thing and the business with the Children didn't seem to make much sense to me. You'd think anyone with that level of priority as a combat agent would be kept on a strict military conditioning regime from day one and not "when it's convenient" or "just before we all die".
Ah, the Heero Yuy plan. IIRC, the notion Gendou had was that an emotional cripple would be far easier to control as a pilot, especially one that was dependent upon Gendou showing kindness. It would would provoke Yui's mother instincts and cause Unit-01 to react to Shinji and try to protect him.

See, I appreciate human characters, but at the same time I don't particularly want to watch shows about them. I enjoy Gurren Lagann so much because of how inspiring the characters are. Shinji is a whiny little bitch. If it I went through the same stuff, I would probably be a whiny little bitch, too. But it gets annoying after a while, yeah? He's real character, but he's really annoying, too. So I would appreciate a bit of fiction to make the characters more likable. That said, I really do appreciate the depth of the characters in Eva. It's a good anime. I mean, I really, truly despise Asuka. That's talent, eh?
From time to time though, I don't WANT to see Luke Skywalker however. Heroes are good because they are indeed heroes. It's why Superman maintains his popularity even though, yes, he is too perfect and a big blue boy scout. Sometimes we need those kind of people around.

Sometimes though... well, not all of us can be saints and I find it interesting to watch what a real child is who screwed up would do and how he deals or doesn't deal with his problems.

That said, I hate Asuka too. Rei forever!

Becoming one with someone of the opposite sex is akin to saying "I wanna mount her" in Japanese.

Of course given Eva, there might be other embedded meanings, but... It still looks like she was riding him.

I know the meaning, and I know the implication. I also know that in more ways than one, it's just plain disturbing to put a hand on someone and watch it go through like they were made of mist. Heck, he put a hand on her arm and look what happened. It went through too.


Ah, the Heero Yuy plan. IIRC, the notion Gendou had was that an emotional cripple would be far easier to control as a pilot, especially one that was dependent upon Gendou showing kindness. It would would provoke Yui's mother instincts and cause Unit-01 to react to Shinji and try to protect him.

Sounds like gambling on whether the drunk driver in the 18-wheeler going through New York during rush hour won't hit anyone or anything because he hasn't fallen down dead yet.

Sure, Rei may have had mediocre results, but as a pilot went, she was a heck lot more stable and reliable than Mr run away.

And seriously, throwing away a reliable pilot, on a replacement that only has worked once, on a machine known for its temperamental nature? That's just plain stupid.

Of course given Eva, there might be other embedded meanings, but... It still looks like she was riding him.

Eva? Might be?

I know the meaning, and I know the implication. I also know that in more ways than one, it's just plain disturbing to put a hand on someone and watch it go through like they were made of mist. Heck, he put a hand on her arm and look what happened. It went through too.
Well... I can't help you there. :tongue:

Sounds like gambling on whether the drunk driver in the 18-wheeler going through New York during rush hour won't hit anyone or anything because he hasn't fallen down dead yet.

Sure, Rei may have had mediocre results, but as a pilot went, she was a heck lot more stable and reliable than Mr run away.

And seriously, throwing away a reliable pilot, on a replacement that only has worked once, on a machine known for its temperamental nature? That's just plain stupid.
Well, if you remember, at the time Rei had been seriously injured and Unit-00 was (at the time) far more temperamental than Unit-01. Also, Gendou was getting guidance from higher powers (The Dead Sea Scrolls) as to what had to be.

Of course, in reality, tossing ANY teen into the most-powerful-weapon-in-the-universe, trained or not is just asking for trouble. I mean, really now, Sailor Moon, a girl who can't walk two steps without tripping is given a crystal that could blow up the planet (And let's not get started on Sailor Saturn)? Shinji's put into the entry plug of Unit-01? Lina Inverse can perform both the Dragon AND Giga Slave?

Sadly, this is just a typical plot device of some anime. :p

From time to time though, I don't WANT to see Luke Skywalker however. Heroes are good because they are indeed heroes. It's why Superman maintains his popularity even though, yes, he is too perfect and a big blue boy scout. Sometimes we need those kind of people around.

Sometimes though... well, not all of us can be saints and I find it interesting to watch what a real child is who screwed up would do and how he deals or doesn't deal with his problems.

That said, I hate Asuka too. Rei forever!

Eh, I can see that. Personally, I like the stories that incorporate both. IE: In Gurren Lagann, Simon turns into a whiny little bitch for a couple of episodes. But then he gets really bad-ass. Or Black Heaven, where the guy has to juggle his family life with his desire to relive the good-old-days, and while he's trying he's blowing stuff up by rocking out (Yes, by rocking out. He plays the guitar and shyte explodes).

Well... I can't help you there. :tongue:

Carnal knowledge involves at least some level of physical contact yes? But if the physical contact is all metaphysical, and it's not even making contact, how can you call it carnal knowledge?

And let's not forget. This is all in somebody's head. Could be his, but I think it was Rei's.

Right before he came out of her eyeball.

I know guys talk about being inside a woman and all that as a metaphor for sex, but I don't think they meant anything like that.



Well, if you remember, at the time Rei had been seriously injured and Unit-00 was (at the time) far more temperamental than Unit-01. Also, Gendou was getting guidance from higher powers (The Dead Sea Scrolls) as to what had to be.

Meh, Gendo might as well be tossing a coin to make all his decisions for the sense that they made.

"Be a bastard, or not to be a bastard?" *flips coin* "Bastard it is!"
"Abandon son or use him as a pilot?" *flips coin, lands on edge* "Let's do both!"


Of course, in reality, tossing ANY teen into the most-powerful-weapon-in-the-universe, trained or not is just asking for trouble. I mean, really now, Sailor Moon, a girl who can't walk two steps without tripping is given a crystal that could blow up the planet (And let's not get started on Sailor Saturn)? Shinji's put into the entry plug of Unit-01? Lina Inverse can perform both the Dragon AND Giga Slave?

Sadly, this is just a typical plot device of some anime. :p

A sad, sad trope it is. At least Sagara Sousuke had an excuse for being a decent teen pilot and foot soldier, what with being a child soldier.

Well... I can't help you there. :tongue:


Well, if you remember, at the time Rei had been seriously injured and Unit-00 was (at the time) far more temperamental than Unit-01. Also, Gendou was getting guidance from higher powers (The Dead Sea Scrolls) as to what had to be.

Of course, in reality, tossing ANY teen into the most-powerful-weapon-in-the-universe, trained or not is just asking for trouble. I mean, really now, Sailor Moon, a girl who can't walk two steps without tripping is given a crystal that could blow up the planet (And let's not get started on Sailor Saturn)? Shinji's put into the entry plug of Unit-01? Lina Inverse can perform both the Dragon AND Giga Slave?

Sadly, this is just a typical plot device of some anime. :p

Within the anime: children were the pilots because only children could be the pilots. I'm sure that if they had the choice, they would have put experienced, trained soldiers in the units (or at least, the responsible people...Gendo might not have).

Outside of the anime: most animes (and other stories) use children/teenagers as the heroes because to appeal to a young audience. Few kids want to watch a show about responsible adults being responsible while saving the world: they can't relate. Other stories use children/teens because they're so interesting psychologically. Eva could never work with adults as the pilots: unstable children are children. Unstable adults are psychopaths.

Carnal knowledge involves at least some level of physical contact yes? But if the physical contact is all metaphysical, and it's not even making contact, how can you call it carnal knowledge?

And let's not forget. This is all in somebody's head. Could be his, but I think it was Rei's.

Right before he came out of her eyeball.

I know guys talk about being inside a woman and all that as a metaphor for sex, but I don't think they meant anything like that.

Given that everyone else was LCL at the time, I thought the sex going on was Rei and Shinji's souls talking. Rei was helping Shinji come to grips with what he wanted (This makes sense as Kaworu also makes an appearance to say pretty much the same things that Rei is). So, it could be Rei's desire to have Shinji, it could be Shinji's desire to have Rei, or it just could be Eva being Eva and having several interpretations with Anno refusing to tell us which one is what.

Meh, Gendo might as well be tossing a coin to make all his decisions for the sense that they made.

"Be a bastard, or not to be a bastard?" *flips coin* "Bastard it is!"
"Abandon son or use him as a pilot?" *flips coin, lands on edge* "Let's do both!"
Gendou flipping a coin to be a bastard? Perish the thought! Gendou is ALWAYS a bastard!

Outside of the anime: most animes (and other stories) use children/teenagers as the heroes because to appeal to a young audience. Few kids want to watch a show about responsible adults being responsible while saving the world: they can't relate. Other stories use children/teens because they're so interesting psychologically. Eva could never work with adults as the pilots: unstable children are children. Unstable adults are psychopaths.
Part of the reason why anime uses teens all the time is youth appeal, yes, but it also has to do with Japanese culture. Namely adults have three things working against them, one, they don't have the time. Adulthood is of course the time period when you're supposed to become a good little cog in the giant machine that is Japan Inc. A salaryman does not have the time to go out saving the universe. Two, adults are supposed to show conformity with the culture as a whole. The only ones allowed to buck the system (A bit now, just a bit) are youth. Youth can change the world, adults are expected to be a part of that world. Finally though, there's also the fact that Japan has become extremely youth centric.

Avatar: the last airbender for anime, sure it's a kids show but the MMO possibilities are endless
Tsubasa resevoir chronicles for manga
cons: canadian anime (do they know not how to write a story line or what?)

Say what you will about Evangelion as an artwork, but you do have to admire something that can still provoke discussion and debate after all these years. Personally, I consider it my favorite anime series and possibly the best anime ever written. But there's no denying the characters are not the most likable out there.

Given that everyone else was LCL at the time, I thought the sex going on was Rei and Shinji's souls talking. Rei was helping Shinji come to grips with what he wanted (This makes sense as Kaworu also makes an appearance to say pretty much the same things that Rei is). So, it could be Rei's desire to have Shinji, it could be Shinji's desire to have Rei, or it just could be Eva being Eva and having several interpretations with Anno refusing to tell us which one is what.

Right. So since they were all soup stock, they didn't get have intercourse, lacking the physical means of doing so. Everything else is just Anno going "psyche your mind!"


Gendou flipping a coin to be a bastard? Perish the thought! Gendou is ALWAYS a bastard!

A bastard through and through probably wouldn't have been given helm over a project to make a cabal of people as gods.

Right. So since they were all soup stock, they didn't get have intercourse, lacking the physical means of doing so. Everything else is just Anno going "psyche your mind!"
But in the LCL, can you really be sure of that? And given that at that point in time both Shinji and Rei's wishes seem to materialize and become reality...

A bastard through and through probably wouldn't have been given helm over a project to make a cabal of people as gods.
Why not? We've got one as Vice President of the United States right now. :tongue:

Because it's fun:
Shion can Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9kin6PnjSY&feature=related).

Watch Higurashi.



It's awesome.

But in the LCL, can you really be sure of that? And given that at that point in time both Shinji and Rei's wishes seem to materialize and become reality...


Somehow, the idea of Shinji wishing for a post apocalyptic world where everyone is soup stock seems more in line with what Gendo would want, just for kicks, rather than Shinji himself.


Why not? We've got one as Vice President of the United States right now. :tongue:

He's not actively trying to turn everyone into soup or his superior into a god now is he? Besides, Gendo's superiors weren't exactly dummies like the VP's. :p

Somehow, the idea of Shinji wishing for a post apocalyptic world where everyone is soup stock seems more in line with what Gendo would want, just for kicks, rather than Shinji himself.
No, it's quite in line with his wishes. What does Shinji want? A world with no pain. Hedgehog's Dilemma and all that. Shinji is afraid of getting close to anyone because they might hurt him, what better way to making sure that there is no pain then by collapsing the AT Fields of everyone, returning everyone to LCL, a state where everyone is the same? Think of Komm, süßer Tod, that's exactly what Shinji wants.

Shinji's growth at the End (of Evangelion, heh) is that he finally gains the courage to live by himself, thus regaining his AT Field AND his physical form. Everyone else has to make that choice themselves, to be reborn or not. But birth brings pain, and having an AT Field means you can be hurt, you can hurt others, and you have to endure some loneliness. Thus the sea of LCL where humanity may, or may not, be reborn.

He's not actively trying to turn everyone into soup or his superior into a god now is he?
And how do you know? ;) Besides, technically speaking, Gendou wasn't planning for Third Impact to happen like it did either, HE wanted to pull Yui out of Unit-01 and reunite with his wife, the only person whom he felt ever really loved him. Rei, however, decided not to play along and gave the choice to Shinji.

Besides, Gendo's superiors weren't exactly dummies like the VP's. :p
They put Gendou in charge didn't they?

No, it's quite in line with his wishes. What does Shinji want? A world with no pain. Hedgehog's Dilemma and all that. Shinji is afraid of getting close to anyone because they might hurt him, what better way to making sure that there is no pain then by collapsing the AT Fields of everyone, returning everyone to LCL, a state where everyone is the same? Think of Komm, süßer Tod, that's exactly what Shinji wants.

Shinji's growth at the End (of Evangelion, heh) is that he finally gains the courage to live by himself, thus regaining his AT Field AND his physical form. Everyone else has to make that choice themselves, to be reborn or not. But birth brings pain, and having an AT Field means you can be hurt, you can hurt others, and you have to endure some loneliness. Thus the sea of LCL where humanity may, or may not, be reborn.

He could have just liquefied himself, and not everyone else. But nooooo, everyone has to be in on it. Sounds self defeating if you want a world without pain if you ask me.


And how do you know? ;) Besides, technically speaking, Gendou wasn't planning for Third Impact to happen like it did either, [spoiler]HE wanted to pull Yui out of Unit-01 and reunite with his wife, the only person whom he felt ever really loved him. Rei, however, decided not to play along and gave the choice to Shinji.

Eh, we never knew exactly how Gendou was going to get around to the reunion bit. The specifics were never mentioned.


They put Gendou in charge didn't they?

Only because Gendou had the competitors for the position killed off. So far, I can't find anything to tie into Cheney, except maybe for that lawyer guy.

while there are some which are not offensive, they are very few.
list of Non-Offensive anime titles:
Akira
Bubblegum Crisis
Noir
Madlax
ADPolice
Iczer-1
Megazone 23
all of Studio Ghibli's stuff
Vandredd
Ranma 1/2
Urusei Yatsura
Silent Mobius
Ghost In The Shell
AppleSeed
Please Save My Earth
Touch
Legends of the Galactic Heroes
HyperPolice
Gundam
Kindachi Sensei
Trigun
Cowboy Bebop
SDF Macross
SDC Southern Cross
GPC Mospeda
SDC Orguss
Dunbine
Yamato
City Hunter
CatsEye
Naruto
Vampire Princess Miyu
Dirty Pair / Dirty Pair Flash
Key: Metal Idol
Humanoid
Stop! Hibari-Kun
Masion Ikkoku
You're Under Arrest
Oh! My Goddess

and there's tons more that are not considered offensive.

I will say that I don't consider Steam Boy in the area of Anime, as it was done in western style animation. With a good plot and amazing detail of the scenes. so good plots and amazing details of scenes is what makes good anime? someone better alert Studio Ghibli that they're doing western style animation then.

But the bulk of anime is just about as bad as Family guy or South Park.
then I'd say you better expand your anime experience past FLCL and Excel Saga. :p