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...Parents of school aged children who have not been toilet trained!

Source: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23970216-421,00.html

Parents sending kids to school in nappies
"CHILDREN as old as five are being sent to school in nappies because their parents cannot be bothered to toilet-train them.

The problem has become so widespread that Education Queensland is drawing up a toilet-training fact sheet amid calls from teachers' groups that nappy-wearing children be banned from attending school.

With the introduction of the prep year, children as young as 4½ are starting full-time schooling - a situation that has fuelled the explosion in nappies in the classroom.

Teachers believe the increasing use of full-time day care also has promoted a culture where it is normal for three and even four-year-olds to wear nappies.

Most children are usually toilet trained between two and three years.

Education Queensland would not say how many children were arriving at schools in nappies citing "privacy concerns".

But the Parents and Citizens Council said it was an issue affecting "dozens" of prep classes in the state, and it had been inundated with complaints from parents.

State School Principals Association president Norm Hart has written to Education Queensland, citing concerns that the problem could result in litigation - with teachers possibly accused of molestation.

"Toilet training is a parental responsibility and not something that should be taught at school," Mr Hart said.

"There are increasing concerns for staff members about the risk of litigation that may arise from toileting, washing and dressing students."

Parents and Citizens Council president Margaret Black said: "How parents choose to toilet-train their children is up to them, but they need to train them before they get to school.

"Other children do notice if a child is wearing a nappy and they will tease someone for it."

An Education Queensland spokeswoman did not want to comment on whether the department would be taking action to ban nappy-wearers from classrooms. "
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Okay, now for the record every comment I make here is in reference to children who are able to be toilet trained. So I am not referring to handicapped children who are mentally or physically unable to be toilet trained.

I think this is the most irresponsible parenting I have read about since well... Corey Worthington or Schapelle Corby. What kind of parent does not properly attempt to toilet train their child by the time they are 5? What kind of parent expects that the teachers should have to change their untrained child's nappies! Is this child abuse? The article suggests there are many children in Queensland alone who have the problem.
After 5 years wouldn't the parents be sick of changing their own kids nappies?

My thoughts: make the parents come to the school to change the nappy every time the kids shits itself. I'm pretty sure they'd be toilet trained within a few weeks.

So, care to join me in a shock/abuse fest targetted at the parents?

I will not join you, and here's why:

A parents job is not to toilet train their children, it is to give them a strong moral upbringing.

Think about it: its one or the other. If your kid can crap in the right spot and not just anywhere, fine, but the priority should be to inculcate them with the right beliefs.

Which would you rather have, a child that drops the occasional deuce in his pants but knows to pray and not murder people, or some kid with pristine, unsoiled pants but blood on his or her hands?

Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.

I will not join you, and here's why:

A parents job is not to toilet train their children, it is to give them a strong moral upbringing.

Think about it: its one or the other. If your kid can crap in the right spot and not just anywhere, fine, but the priority should be to inculcate them with the right beliefs.

Which would you rather have, a child that drops the occasional deuce in his pants but knows to pray and not murder people, or some kid with pristine, unsoiled pants but blood on his or her hands?

Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.

I'm trying to decide if that's brilliant satire or horrifying.

I will not join you, and here's why:


Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.

...And just as I thought there could be a topic in NSG without the religous heeby-jeebies!

A parents job is not to toilet train their children, it is to give them a strong moral upbringing.
So, who do you want to teach kids not to crap themselves? I've got a great idea, lets all just go and take a dump on the street, in shopping centres, in our bedrooms, in the churches! Bugger the health (mental, emotional and physical) of everyone! It is more important that we go and worship our relevant creators!

No, that is an actual question, if the parents are busy making them pray, who do you want to take responsibility for the upbringing of the child? Is it plausible that parents have multiple responsibilities in the upbringing of children? I know my parents did more than teach me how to be a good human being. (Which, I do not believe requires religion, but that is a different debate. So let's not bring it in here. I'll let you maintain your view if you let me maintain mine). They taught me spelling, maths, physical skills, mental skills, how to swim without dieing and even how to empty my bowels without requiring someone to come and change me!

I'm trying to decide if that's brilliant satire or horrifying.

Well let me help you decide.

There is a way to live your life, and it is right there in the Bible. If you have children, their Heavenly Father has admonished you to be responsible for them and how they behave.

The bible is complete, inerrant, and best of all, it has little numbers so you can quote things for other people to find.

There's a section on not killing, a section on praying, a section on every possible facet for your daily life.

Is there a section that says its a big deal if a kid happens to blast a watery green shit down his pant leg?

No. Why? Because it has nothing to do with victory in christ. And neither does satire.

Hammurab has a point. There are definite threats to the christian faith in toilet training:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/11769/family-guy-toilet-training

Need I say more?

...And just as I thought there could be a topic in NSG without the religous heeby-jeebies!

Well, tough, because the "heeby-jeebies" of religion are the difference between living a good life and betraying your Creator.


So, who do you want to teach kids not to crap themselves? I've got a great idea, lets all just go and take a dump on the street, in shopping centres, in our bedrooms, in the churches! Bugger the health (mental, emotional and physical) of everyone! It is more important that we go and worship our relevant creators!

What you say in sarcasm is true in reality. The fact is, squishing about in our own excrement, even if its associated with a bit of vomit, rash, and in rare instance, hepatitis, is second, a distant second, to victory in christ.


No, that is an actual question, if the parents are busy making them pray, who do you want to take responsibility for the upbringing of the child? Is it plausible that parents have multiple responsibilities in the upbringing of children? I know my parents did more than teach me how to be a good human being. (Which, I do not believe requires religion, but that is a different debate. So let's not bring it in here. I'll let you maintain your view if you let me maintain mine). They taught me spelling, maths, physical skills, mental skills, how to swim without dieing and even how to empty my bowels without requiring someone to come and change me!

First of all, spelling is important, because the words in scripture are spelled. Second, math is equally crucial, because without understanding the sequential nature of integers and their use in ordered pairs, they won't be able to find verses quickly.

Swimming is meaningless; Jesus did not swim, he walked, even on water.

Look, like I said, if parents want to teach their kids to pinch a loaf in the porcelain instead of in their chair at school, fine, as long as a bible lesson can be worked into it. Something about "it is not that which goes out of the anus but that which goes in that corrupteth a man", whatever, be creative.

I'm just saying we should save our outrage for non-Christians, not for parents who have understandably emphasized victory in christ over the occasional hard gas.

Well let me help you decide.

There is a way to live your life, and it is right there in the Bible. If you have children, their Heavenly Father has admonished you to be responsible for them and how they behave.

The bible is complete, inerrant, and best of all, it has little numbers so you can quote things for other people to find.

There's a section on not killing, a section on praying, a section on every possible facet for your daily life.

Is there a section that says its a big deal if a kid happens to blast a watery green shit down his pant leg?

No. Why? Because it has nothing to do with victory in christ. And neither does satire.


You're scary.

Well, tough, because the "heeby-jeebies" of religion are the difference between living a good life and betraying your Creator.
Oh, I didn't realise that learning how to take a dump would keep me from heaven. Well.. On the bright side, if only non-toilet trained people get into to heaven, it is going to really stink.

What you say in sarcasm is true in reality. The fact is, squishing about in our own excrement, even if its associated with a bit of vomit, rash, and in rare instance, hepatitis, is second, a distant second, to victory in christ.
Oh, so you think that your relevant god-thingamajig would rather his creations died prematurely because they were over worried about pissing him off.
If I were a god, I think I'd say something along the lines of: "Righteo guys, heres a universe for ya. Have fun. Don't cause too much trouble. As long as you try to be a decent person, I won't hold grudges. Oh, by the way, cut the worship. I only gave you 70 years of life, you have all eternity after that to worship me. I gave you a life so you could have fun."

Look, like I said, if parents want to teach their kids to pinch a loaf in the porcelain instead of in their chair at school, fine, as long as a bible lesson can be worked into it. Something about "it is not that which goes out of the anus but that which goes in that corrupteth a man",
Sigged for funnies :P

You're scary.

The truth frightens those who are frightened by the truth. It sounds redundant, but its actually deep and meaningful, like the reflective theorem.

Look, what's scary is this: There are people, in this world, in your country, in your town, maybe in YOUR HOUSE, that haven't accepted Christ.

Now, I want you to really think about this: Would you rather be walking around in dry clean underwear but bound for hell, or would you rather feel the firm yet slightly yielding mass of a turd all day at school but know that your saviour lives?

Oh, I didn't realise that learning how to take a dump would keep me from heaven. Well.. On the bright side, if only non-toilet trained people get into to heaven, it is going to really stink.

First of all, Heaven will not stink; it is the abode of God, and he will remove anything that does not befit his endless majesty and glory. Do you seriously think the creator of the world can't rearrange aromatic particles developed from the digestion and decay of organic material? Or alter our olfactory senses so that a greasy, strangely blackened streak of shit won't smell bad?


Oh, so you think that your relevant god-thingamajig would rather his creations died prematurely because they were over worried about pissing him off.

If they die having accepted Christ, yes; to die young, of sepsis, toxic plasmosis, or any number of microbial pathogens associated with reclining in your own shit for protracted periods, but to die WITH CHRIST, is preferable.


If I were a god, I think I'd say something along the lines of: "Righteo guys, heres a universe for ya. Have fun. Don't cause too much trouble. As long as you try to be a decent person, I won't hold grudges. Oh, by the way, cut the worship. I only gave you 70 years of life, you have all eternity after that to worship me. I gave you a life so you could have fun."

Sigged for funnies :P

Well, you aren't God. And God gave us his message, its in the bible.

What you said doesn't even have numbers.

You're scary.

no. people who dont recognize humor are scary.

Is there a section that says its a big deal if a kid happens to blast a watery green shit down his pant leg?

lol :p

edit: back to the OP... yeah, that's kinda worrying.

The truth frightens those who are frightened by the truth. It sounds redundant, but its actually deep and meaningful, like the reflective theorem.

Mad fundalmentalists of any religion are scary. Anyone with an absolute certainty in the truth is very frightening, but I'm hoping that you're not serious so I'm only mildly apprehensive and amused


Look, what's scary is this: There are people, in this world, in your country, in your town, maybe in YOUR HOUSE, that haven't accepted Christ.?

Looks in mirror. Shit I haven't accepted Christ. (Runs away from self)

To return to the OP, the parents should be investigated for neglect and the kids not allowed in school until they can piss in a pot.

no. people who dont recognize humor are scary.

Dismissing my points (which are based in logic, the gospel, and education about the gospel from an accredited online university whose curriculum includes formal logic) as humor won't change the facts.

You're probably one of those weak "christians" (and I use that term more loosely than the stool of a kid who, in addition to not being potty trained, still eats massive amounts of lip gloss) who take their faith half way, making time for practical concerns.

I'll tell you again. Learning when to clench and when to release your Cleveland Browns at the Superbowl should come SECOND to teaching your kids to live bible based lives. More of the first means less of the second.

God respects your right to choose, but he does not respect people who make the wrong choice.

I really hope that you are trying to troll here Hammurab, because it is just so funny! and I don't want to come across as being insensitive :P If you are, you are a comic genius. If you are not, well... uhhm... you're entitled to your viewpoint.

First of all, Heaven will not stink; it is the abode of God, and he will remove anything that does not befit his endless majesty and glory. Do you seriously think the creator of the world can't rearrange aromatic particles developed from the digestion and decay of organic material? Or alter our olfactory senses so that a greasy, strangely blackened streak of shit won't smell bad? ooh... good rebuttal.. the awesomnessitude of 'god' will make us comfortable.

If they die having accepted Christ, yes; to die young, of sepsis, toxic plasmosis, or any number of microbial pathogens associated with reclining in your own shit for protracted periods, but to die WITH CHRIST, is preferable. Are there antibiotics in 'heaven'? Cause they are going to need em!


What you said doesn't even have numbers.
My apologies:
Book of Lapse
1:1 Righteo guys, heres a universe for ya. Have fun.
1:2 Don't cause too much trouble.
1:3 As long as you try to be a decent person, I won't hold grudges.
1:4 Oh, by the way, cut the worship. I only gave you 70 years of life, you have all eternity after that to worship me.
1:5 I gave you a life so you could have fun.
1:6 Swimming & toilet training is important


Anyway, We've had our fun now. Back on topic: Opinions of non-toilet trained kiddies.

no. people who dont recognize humor are scary.

See my post above;) He's still scary even if he is being funny (and he is being funny intentional or not)

1:6 Swimming & toilet training is important

Not at the same time, I hope. :p

Not at the same time, I hope. :p

oh... I better make an amendment in there to clarify that :S

1:7 Do not piss or shit in the pool. It's just fricken nasty.

Oh, also, your link before doesn't work for Non-Americans :(

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ooh... good rebuttal.. the awesomnessitude of 'god' will make us comfortable.

I base my life, and the 1st three drafts of my graduate dissertation at Liberty University on exactly this principal.

But fine, obviously you're running away to the actual thread topic because you're losing the argument with me.

So, on topic:

A basis for child neglect is not entirely implausible here. There are related health issues, quality of life, social interaction, etc. To be honest, the premise of being surrounded by people with bags of their own shit tied around their waste, merely because of insufficient diligence on the part of their parents seems like almost a text book example of when personal issues like hygiene can impact the public good in a potent, pungent way.

Oh, also, your link before doesn't work for Non-Americans :(


I've looked at the same video on several other sites(including some truly horrific myspace pages) and they all seem to link back to that host video on Hulu. :(


Maybe this will worK, but I doubt it: http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/family-guy-toilet-training/AUiaJqd35XBBYeUi7uy5UGxRoOuUl2qS

Well, tough, because the "heeby-jeebies" of religion are the difference between living a good life and betraying your Creator.



What you say in sarcasm is true in reality. The fact is, squishing about in our own excrement, even if its associated with a bit of vomit, rash, and in rare instance, hepatitis, is second, a distant second, to victory in christ.



First of all, spelling is important, because the words in scripture are spelled. Second, math is equally crucial, because without understanding the sequential nature of integers and their use in ordered pairs, they won't be able to find verses quickly.

Swimming is meaningless; Jesus did not swim, he walked, even on water.

Look, like I said, if parents want to teach their kids to pinch a loaf in the porcelain instead of in their chair at school, fine, as long as a bible lesson can be worked into it. Something about "it is not that which goes out of the anus but that which goes in that corrupteth a man", whatever, be creative.

I'm just saying we should save our outrage for non-Christians, not for parents who have understandably emphasized victory in christ over the occasional hard gas.

Oh... my... god. Why does a stupid Christian always have to pop up and publicize himself and make the rest of us look bad?

FYI, I'm Catholic, and if you haven't toilet-trained your kids you're really pathetic. (Failing parental responsibility is bad Christianity.)

Oh... my... god. Why does a stupid Christian always have to pop up and publicize himself and make the rest of us look bad?

FYI, I'm Catholic, and if you haven't toilet-trained your kids you're really pathetic. (Failing parental responsibility is bad Christianity.)

Don't know. Why did you?



Also, before I get banned for that little bit of lack of self control.

I know about 3 kids in that age range who are not potty trained. Two of them have physical issues that may or may not be solvable, their parents are still looking into it with doctors. The other one has a shitty mother who has basically told me that she would potty train him but "changing diapers is easier". I had him staying at my house for a day once. I made him use the toilet, he's quite capable if you remind him, but it means if you go in public or somesuch you have to actually get up off your ass and escort him to the toilet when he needs to go and not let him sit in his own piss because you are 'busy'.

Oh... my... god. Why does a stupid Christian always have to pop up and publicize himself and make the rest of us look bad?

FYI, I'm Catholic, and if you haven't toilet-trained your kids you're really pathetic. (Failing parental responsibility is bad Christianity.)

pay attention. he is just amusing himself by pretending to be a nutcase fundamentalist.

Don't know. Why did you?



Also, before I get banned for that little bit of lack of self control.

I know about 3 kids in that age range who are not potty trained. Two of them have physical issues that may or may not be solvable, their parents are still looking into it with doctors. The other one has a shitty mother who has basically told me that she would potty train him but "changing diapers is easier". I had him staying at my house for a day once. I made him use the toilet, he's quite capable if you remind him, but it means if you go in public or somesuch you have to actually get up off your ass and escort him to the toilet when he needs to go and not let him sit in his own piss because you are 'busy'.

it is sad that kids like that end up going to kindergarten in diapers. one can only hope that the other kids forget so that he doesnt end up mocked for the rest of his school life as "nappy boy" or something similar.

I will not join you, and here's why:

A parents job is not to toilet train their children, it is to give them a strong moral upbringing.

Think about it: its one or the other. If your kid can crap in the right spot and not just anywhere, fine, but the priority should be to inculcate them with the right beliefs.

Which would you rather have, a child that drops the occasional deuce in his pants but knows to pray and not murder people, or some kid with pristine, unsoiled pants but blood on his or her hands?

Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.

*starts to chant*
It's the internet, it isn't real! These people do not exist!
It's the internet, it isn't real! These people do not exist!
It's the internet, it isn't real! These people do not exist!
*ends chanting*

There! Now I feel much better! :D

You know what? I would really like to see a computer simulation of a world filled with Hammurab's mad fundamentalists :D
Would be fun to watch and we could place bets on how many generations survive.

Think about it: its one or the other. If your kid can crap in the right spot and not just anywhere, fine, but the priority should be to inculcate them with the right beliefs.

OK, so which one are you - are you amoral with blood on your hands, or incontinent with shit in your pants?

You know what? I would really like to see a computer simulation of a world filled with Hammurab's mad fundamentalists :D
Would be fun to watch and we could place bets on how many generations survive.

They already did that dude, it's called Texas. I wouldn't suggest any travel there though, they don't deal well with your kind.

I don't think they should need to be potty trained. It's up to the parents to raise the child, and if they don't want to include potty training, then I don't think that it's their fault.

They already did that dude, it's called Texas. I wouldn't suggest any travel there though, they don't deal well with your kind.

What's the show's name? Are they streaming the footage? Do they sell DVDs? :D

I don't think they should need to be potty trained. It's up to the parents to raise the child, and if they don't want to include potty training, then I don't think that it's their fault.

A: Did you really shit your pants, dude?
B: It's okay. I do it all the time. Mom said it's better than teaching me to use the potty.
A: Dude, seriously, how old are you?
B: 25, why do you ask?

:rolleyes:

I don't think they should need to be potty trained. It's up to the parents to raise the child, and if they don't want to include potty training, then I don't think that it's their fault.

No, if the parents don't teach toilet training, it is indeed the fault of the parents for not teaching toilet training.

This thread is seriously starting to disturb me. Not so much that I shit my pants though. Thank God!

No, if the parents don't teach toilet training, it is indeed the fault of the parents for not teaching toilet training.

This thread is seriously starting to disturb me. Not so much that I shit my pants though. Thank God!

If they shit their pants it is clearly the God's intention!
Don't doubt God's intentions in His Grand Scheme!

Well let me help you decide.

There is a way to live your life, and it is right there in the Bible. If you have children, their Heavenly Father has admonished you to be responsible for them and how they behave.

The bible is complete, inerrant, and best of all, it has little numbers so you can quote things for other people to find.

There's a section on not killing, a section on praying, a section on every possible facet for your daily life.

Is there a section that says its a big deal if a kid happens to blast a watery green shit down his pant leg?

No. Why? Because it has nothing to do with victory in christ. And neither does satire.

Satire :)

...you've got to me kidding me....


Five and not toilet-trained? The occasional accident is dealt with in primary schools here, but your kid must be toilet trained by the time they enter kindergarten or -- they don't attend.

Unless there is a physical or learning problem -- and then they're dealt with in the special education program, not mainstream schooling.

Hammurab has a point. There are definite threats to the christian faith in toilet training:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/11769/family-guy-toilet-training

Need I say more?
No more LG.... I beg of you! :p
pay attention. he is just amusing himself by pretending to be a nutcase fundamentalist.
One might hope. Unfortunately, I've seen/heard people like him in real life.

To the OP:

This is Lunacy! Parents aren't potty-training their kids till the age of four or even five! Why the (Pardon my langugage) hell won't they potty-train them? This is just another example of lazy parents wanting others to do everthing for them. :mad:

I know about 3 kids in that age range who are not potty trained. Two of them have physical issues that may or may not be solvable, their parents are still looking into it with doctors. The other one has a shitty mother who has basically told me that she would potty train him but "changing diapers is easier". I had him staying at my house for a day once. I made him use the toilet, he's quite capable if you remind him, but it means if you go in public or somesuch you have to actually get up off your ass and escort him to the toilet when he needs to go and not let him sit in his own piss because you are 'busy'.

Why would someone have children when they don't want the trouble of taking care of them? I know I don't want the trouble of taking care of kids so I won't have kids. Easy.

Gonna need TWO ice creams to fix my day now.

Gonna need TWO ice creams to fix my day now.
Better log off now. *pats*

This thread makes me laugh.

...Parents of school aged children who have not been toilet trained!

Source: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23970216-421,00.html

Parents sending kids to school in nappies
"CHILDREN as old as five are being sent to school in nappies because their parents cannot be bothered to toilet-train them.

The problem has become so widespread that Education Queensland is drawing up a toilet-training fact sheet amid calls from teachers' groups that nappy-wearing children be banned from attending school.

With the introduction of the prep year, children as young as 4½ are starting full-time schooling - a situation that has fuelled the explosion in nappies in the classroom.

Teachers believe the increasing use of full-time day care also has promoted a culture where it is normal for three and even four-year-olds to wear nappies.

Most children are usually toilet trained between two and three years.

Education Queensland would not say how many children were arriving at schools in nappies citing "privacy concerns".

But the Parents and Citizens Council said it was an issue affecting "dozens" of prep classes in the state, and it had been inundated with complaints from parents.

State School Principals Association president Norm Hart has written to Education Queensland, citing concerns that the problem could result in litigation - with teachers possibly accused of molestation.

"Toilet training is a parental responsibility and not something that should be taught at school," Mr Hart said.

"There are increasing concerns for staff members about the risk of litigation that may arise from toileting, washing and dressing students."

Parents and Citizens Council president Margaret Black said: "How parents choose to toilet-train their children is up to them, but they need to train them before they get to school.

"Other children do notice if a child is wearing a nappy and they will tease someone for it."

An Education Queensland spokeswoman did not want to comment on whether the department would be taking action to ban nappy-wearers from classrooms. "
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Okay, now for the record every comment I make here is in reference to children who are able to be toilet trained. So I am not referring to handicapped children who are mentally or physically unable to be toilet trained.

I think this is the most irresponsible parenting I have read about since well... Corey Worthington or Schapelle Corby. What kind of parent does not properly attempt to toilet train their child by the time they are 5? What kind of parent expects that the teachers should have to change their untrained child's nappies! Is this child abuse? The article suggests there are many children in Queensland alone who have the problem.
After 5 years wouldn't the parents be sick of changing their own kids nappies?

My thoughts: make the parents come to the school to change the nappy every time the kids shits itself. I'm pretty sure they'd be toilet trained within a few weeks.

So, care to join me in a shock/abuse fest targetted at the parents?

I was about to ask what the fuck a nappy is, then I looked it up. I agree that 5 year olds should have been potty trained already. If I had kids, I'd want them potty trained as quickly as possible (is 2 weeks too young ;)), so I wouldn't have to change any more diapers.

Why would someone have children when they don't want the trouble of taking care of them? I know I don't want the trouble of taking care of kids so I won't have kids. Easy.

Abortion is frowned upon here. The "responsible" thing to do is to birth the thing and then the "acceptable" thing to do is the bare minimum to keep CPS from taking them away.

People call me super mom, say I'm "spoiling" the kids, because I do things like teach them to read, take them to the library, make them brush their teeth, and give them healthy food.

It's sickening really.

...Bible Bible Bible...

Please gods, tell me this is satire....

Please gods, tell me this is satire....

If so then I wouldn't see why it's not simply trolling.

Abortion is frowned upon here. The "responsible" thing to do is to birth the thing and then the "acceptable" thing to do is the bare minimum to keep CPS from taking them away.

People call me super mom, say I'm "spoiling" the kids, because I do things like teach them to read, take them to the library, make them brush their teeth, and give them healthy food.

It's sickening really.
It's a bird! it's a plane! It's SUPERMOM!

Faster then a speeding toddler!

More powerful then a temper-tantrum!

And able to leap tall piles of toys without spraining an ankle!
:p

Just when I thought the "Children watching porn" thread was bad...

*goes into corner and rocks back and forth*

To the OP: I say send the kids home until they're potty trained.

Abortion is frowned upon here. The "responsible" thing to do is to birth the thing and then the "acceptable" thing to do is the bare minimum to keep CPS from taking them away.

People call me super mom, say I'm "spoiling" the kids, because I do things like teach them to read, take them to the library, make them brush their teeth, and give them healthy food.

It's sickening really.

I get the occasional person criticising how much time I spend with my children. Especially my eldest son. Some ancient dehydrated lady in a park said that a child that age ought to be with his mother being pampered and not roughhousing with his father(We were chasing squirrels).

If I thought her hips would refrain from snapping, I would have tackled her. :p

Abortion is frowned upon here. The "responsible" thing to do is to birth the thing and then the "acceptable" thing to do is the bare minimum to keep CPS from taking them away.

People call me super mom, say I'm "spoiling" the kids, because I do things like teach them to read, take them to the library, make them brush their teeth, and give them healthy food.

It's sickening really.

You're awesome. :)

*gives slice of cheesecake*

Why do they think it is easier to change diapers multiple times per day than to teach a kid to use the toilet? They could have been spending the last 3 years without having to think about other people's poop.

Please gods, tell me this is satire....

That would seem fairly obvious.

If so then I wouldn't see why it's not simply trolling.

There is a well established NSG tradition that skilled satire is not considered trolling --- witness Jhannaham, for example (who I suspect this fellow is the reincarnation of). The key difference is that satire like this is not done to cause offense or provoke strong responses.

There is a well established NSG tradition that skilled satire is not considered trolling --- witness Jhannaham, for example (who I suspect this fellow is the reincarnation of). The key difference is that satire like this is not done to cause offense or provoke strong responses.

Yeah, there's also a NSG tradition where breaking the rules is breaking the rules. I've been busted for "trolling" just for fucking hurting the overly dainty and sensitive feelings of certain racist posters. I'm damned if I'm gonna let someone slide by just because hey, it's "skilled satire" and because it's not "meant" to cause offense, just jerk people around with stupid, dishonest antagonism.

So which is it. Someone who means what they say? Or a troll.

I'm damned if I'm gonna let someone slide by just because hey, it's "skilled satire" and because it's not "meant" to cause offense.

Odd, I wasn't aware that you really had a say in the matter...

Odd, I wasn't aware that you really had a say in the matter...

I can post. Therefore I have a say. I never declared I was a moderator with magical moderator powers, if that's the flavor of strawman you're burning today.

Yeah, there's also a NSG tradition where breaking the rules is breaking the rules. I've been busted for "trolling" just for fucking hurting the overly dainty and sensitive feelings of certain racist posters. I'm damned if I'm gonna let someone slide by just because hey, it's "skilled satire" and because it's not "meant" to cause offense, just jerk people around with stupid, dishonest antagonism.

So which is it. Someone who means what they say? Or a troll.

Fine then. Go report it to the moderators, if that's your opinion on it. However, the key is that it is not 'stupid, dishonest antagonism'. It is very carefully and skillfully pointing out the flaws with a position, by taking the logical conclusions of the position just beyond the point of absurdity.

Unfortunately for you, it's not offensive, and not trolling.

I'm trying to decide if that's brilliant satire or horrifying.

I'm thinking it's the reincarnation of Jhannaham. Recall some of his early posts, and compare the style. The mock insults, the logically absurd but convincingly presented positions, the writing style. It all seems to match.

So, care to join me in a shock/abuse fest targetted at the parents?
yep, they are crappy parents... and here's why.

they don't realize that the time spent for years cleaning up after their child is longer than the time spent toilet training them.

that is assuming that they are changing their children's diaper. after all, if they can train them to go as far as cleaning up after themselves, they can go a little farther in actually toilet training them.

How the hell did this become an Ebil Christians thread? It is NSG, yes, but I had no idea we'd sunk this low.

Someone's religious beliefs have absolutely no bearing on whether or not they toilet-train their children. I, for one, was toilet trained by a pair of devout Catholics before most of my contemporaries.

Folks, not all problems in the world have their roots in Christianity.

How the hell did this become an Ebil Christians thread? It is NSG, yes, but I had no idea we'd sunk this low.

Someone's religious beliefs have absolutely no bearing on whether or not they toilet-train their children. I, for one, was toilet trained by a pair of devout Catholics before most of my contemporaries.

Folks, not all problems in the world have their roots in Christianity.

Because we had a satirist turn up, and not everyone realised it.

Because we had a satirist turn up, and not everyone realised it.

well, one has to admit that intent (being a satirist or being a troll) is rather hard to determine from just text.

I'm trying to decide if that's brilliant satire or horrifying.

He's Jhamenanawhateverthefuckhisnamewas's successor I think.

Because we had a satirist turn up, and not everyone realised it.

Ah. Sorry for the interruption.

**whistles and walks out**

well, one has to admit that intent (being a satirist or being a troll) is rather hard to determine from just text.

Indeed. However, all the signs seem to point to satire. Particularly posts such as this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13813565&postcount=18). Remember how Jnahannam used to post?

I can post. Therefore I have a say.

You have a say in what people post by virtue that you post here?

OK, I don't want you using any word that contains the letter "e".

You have a say in what people post by virtue that you post here?

OK, I don't want you using any word that contains the letter "e".

Cos I'm a good work guy

Indeed. However, all the signs seem to point to satire. Particularly posts such as this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13813565&postcount=18). Remember how Jnahannam used to post?

Well, I read that thread after this one. so the point won't have mattered to me. :p

I don;t get why people are so obsssed with sueing people.....

I'm amazed that an industry of childcare still exists these days what with a kid breaking his own arm while the teacher is looking in the other direction is autimatically the teachers fault and thus the teacher is gonna be sued... It's... stupid

Anyway: I'm... impressed.... for lack of a better term... I suspect that the actual issue is quite minor when compaired to the actualy number of kids in schools but...

CMON a parent should be teaching their children about toilet training as soon as its feasable not waiting for years and years to do it... In my opinion its the parents fault and people must be made to understand... its their job and it goes hand in hand with installing a kid with morals, social skills and the like.........

I don;t get why people are so obsssed with sueing people.....

Because it's easier to sue than to actually work out your problems like adults?


I'm amazed that an industry of childcare still exists these days what with a kid breaking his own arm while the teacher is looking in the other direction is autimatically the teachers fault and thus the teacher is gonna be sued... It's... stupid

Yep it is.


Anyway: I'm... impressed.... for lack of a better term... I suspect that the actual issue is quite minor when compaired to the actualy number of kids in schools but...

Well it's a shitty situation though...

CMON a parent should be teaching their children about toilet training as soon as its feasable not waiting for years and years to do it... In my opinion its the parents fault and people must be made to understand... its their job and it goes hand in hand with installing a kid with morals, social skills and the like.........

Totally agree.

I don;t get why people are so obsssed with sueing people.....
I know several people who make their living suing others. and NO I DON'T MEAN LAWYERS.

Coffee too hot? Sue
Noise too loud? Sue
You looked at me funny? Sue
oh, you didn't just sneeze on me... Sue!!! :rolleyes:

sad but true.

agreed... for the first page or so it was hillarious satire, and now its trolling and annoying.

on the other hand, its not satire, and to be honest i'd say that trying to change ham. 's beleifs is pointless, and i'm usually a nice guy... but he needs to either be quarantined for dangerous mind-contagion... or shot... or something, i mean seriously...


back to the topic at hand:
parents should be investigated for abuse if they send their children to school wearing dipers... (nappy, whatever).. not only is this problematic on a physical health level, this is criminally irresponsible to teh phyche's of those kids! good god, thats cruel!

I know several people who make their living suing others. and NO I DON'T MEAN LAWYERS.

Coffee too hot? Sue

Oh please, I don't know a single person who actually knows the complete facts of that case who does not in the end admit that the judgment was a correct one.

this is criminally irresponsible to teh phyche's of those kids! good god, thats cruel!

Not really.... I mean how can someone know thats pains bad if all they've ever felt has been pain?

It's only cruel from how they'll view it in later life and how their fellow students will react (indutiably with contempt and derision.......)

It just shows how some people neglect their children and their responsibilites to them.......

sorry about that, my post was for page 3... oops...

oh well, new topic!

people who live to sue others in order to get a free ride... there are many of them, and they do infact sue for something like 'you looked at me funny' i know of a man who was sued for sexual harassment when he referred to a woman as 'lady' (in the context of she was yelling at him and his response was 'look lady, i don't know who you are...' ) something needs to be done about these law suits!

Not really.... I mean how can someone know thats pains bad if all they've ever felt has been pain?

It's only cruel from how they'll view it in later life and how their fellow students will react (indutiably with contempt and derision.......)

It just shows how some people neglect their children and their responsibilites to them.......

phsychological pain is equally real... and i suppose you have a point, people adapt... but that kid is going to be known as 'diper-boy' until he moves or leave highschool... that is cruel and unusual punishment, *especially for a 6 year old who doesn't know better* and is illegal due to teh geniva conventions *not that any one in the history of the world cares*

that kid is going to need to see a councilor for YEARS to get over it... thats expensive... and all the kid did wrong was be born to bad parents.

people who live to sue others in order to get a free ride... there are many of them, and they do infact sue for something like 'you looked at me funny' i know of a man who was sued for sexual harassment when he referred to a woman as 'lady' (in the context of she was yelling at him and his response was 'look lady, i don't know who you are...' ) something needs to be done about these law suits!

If you want to create a new topic, then create a new topic.

If you want to create a new topic, then create a new topic.

i didn't create a new topic... 'new topic' was in refference to the fact that the topic at hand was different from the one i had originally been thinking about, it was rhetorical, and in direct refference to posts immediatly preceding it...

*and yes,i type rhetorical statements... and no, i'm not going to stop... its fun, and gives every one else a better idea of what i'm thinking... usually, this time it was a miserable failure*

i didn't create a new topic... 'new topic' was in refference to the fact that the topic at hand was different from the one i had originally been thinking about, it was rhetorical, and in direct refference to posts immediatly preceding it...

*and yes,i type rhetorical statements... and no, i'm not going to stop... its fun, and gives every one else a better idea of what i'm thinking... usually, this time it was a miserable failure*

Again, if you wish to create a new topic of conversation, do it in a new thread.

I think this is child abuse. Not training the kid to go to the toilet. I dread to think what type of skills they will be missing when they move out of home

Most likely the child will never learn how to cook, clean, save money or do anything else of importance for the time when they leave home.

It appears that the parent is just plain neglectful. The only question to me is if there is someone else out there who would be willing to parent this child?

I think this is child abuse. Not training the kid to go to the toilet. I dread to think what type of skills they will be missing when they move out of home

Most likely the child will never learn how to cook, clean, save money or do anything else of importance for the time when they leave home.

It appears that the parent is just plain neglectful. The only question to me is if there is someone else out there who would be willing to parent this child?


see?! thats exactly my point... also, we have a problem in todays society which goes something like this 'children teaching children' and the point behind it is that i don't think any one will take the time to parent these kids *not all of them at least* and the result of that is through countless tuants and jibes the kids' peers make, they will eventually take it on themselves to learn to do these things... or the other kids will just 'show them how' one or the other.

in essence, unless these kids get really lucky, with parents like that, they are shafted for life...

That's gross and disturbing, and very lazy parenting.

Hammurab is lolz BTW

I will not join you, and here's why:

A parents job is not to toilet train their children, it is to give them a strong moral upbringing.

Think about it: its one or the other. If your kid can crap in the right spot and not just anywhere, fine, but the priority should be to inculcate them with the right beliefs.

Which would you rather have, a child that drops the occasional deuce in his pants but knows to pray and not murder people, or some kid with pristine, unsoiled pants but blood on his or her hands?

Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.

Best hijack ever!

But the story is depressing. I can't even fend it off by making jokes about Queenslanders, since it probably happens here too.

I get the occasional person criticising how much time I spend with my children. Especially my eldest son. Some ancient dehydrated lady in a park said that a child that age ought to be with his mother being pampered and not roughhousing with his father(We were chasing squirrels).

If I thought her hips would refrain from snapping, I would have tackled her. :p

I think that dehydrated lady (beef jerky face, we call her) lives in our park, you know she told me once "ladies shouldn't play in the dirt" and gave a disapproving look towards my children, to which I replied "they aren't ladies, they're kids! kids absolutely play in the dirt, and smart grown ups do too!" .

She huffed and hobbled off.

I think that dehydrated lady (beef jerky face, we call her) lives in our park, you know she told me once "ladies shouldn't play in the dirt" and gave a disapproving look towards my children, to which I replied "they aren't ladies, they're kids! kids absolutely play in the dirt, and smart grown ups do too!" .

She huffed and hobbled off.

I can't decide if your girls are going to grow up the funniest, smartest most kickass young ladies ever, or sadistic monsters!

Then, I'm not sure about you, either. :p

I can't decide if your girls are going to grow up the funniest, smartest most kickass young ladies ever, or sadistic monsters!

Then, I'm not sure about you, either. :p

There's a rumor going around that I'm a sociopath. It's not true......I think. Maybe. Well, probably.

I do have an exceedingly dark sense of humor.

There's a rumor going around that I'm a sociopath. It's not true......I think. Maybe. Well, probably.

Perfect!

Admitting to being a sociopath ends with your head on a pitchfork.
Outright denying that you are a sociopath doesn't work, that makes you an evil genius.
Refusing to confirm or deny reeks of having taken legal advice. That goes badly too.

So, act all confused and get everyone as confused as possible. The townspeople might rough you up a bit, but it will be someone else's head on the pitchfork!

I suspect you got your Sociopathy degree at the same institution I did. But of course, we aren't going to name it here ...

There's a rumor going around that I'm a sociopath. It's not true......I think. Maybe. Well, probably.

I do have an exceedingly dark sense of humor.
Smunkee Fisher!

Smunkee Fisher!

The grandmaster's name was spelled Fischer.

(I'm probably mistaking your reference.)

The grandmaster's name was spelled Fischer.

(I'm probably mistaking your reference.)

would that have made it an appropriate remark?

im at a loss as to what he meant.

would that have made it an appropriate remark?

im at a loss as to what he meant.

yeah, frankly, I have absolutly no idea what he was on about.

The grandmaster's name was spelled Fischer.

(I'm probably mistaking your reference.)

Nobody gets video game references anymore! *Sob*

Splinter cell...

Well let me help you decide.

There is a way to live your life, and it is right there in the Bible. If you have children, their Heavenly Father has admonished you to be responsible for them and how they behave.

The bible is complete, inerrant, and best of all, it has little numbers so you can quote things for other people to find.

There's a section on not killing, a section on praying, a section on every possible facet for your daily life.

Is there a section that says its a big deal if a kid happens to blast a watery green shit down his pant leg?

No. Why? Because it has nothing to do with victory in christ. And neither does satire.

Obvious troll is fucking obvious.

Obvious troll is fucking obvious.

What's obvious is that you have no victory in Christ.

Do you seriously think that by slapping the label "troll" on me, that it will allow you to escape the inextricable consequence of emphasizing the wrong things?

Seriously, think about it. No, really, apply some genuine, focused, prayerful thought.

A toddler has 24 hours in a day. The amount of time spent studying scripture and praying is equal to 24 - (the number of hours learning how to not pinch a loaf in your own pants).

Thus, minimizing pottery training maximizes a child's faith. Do the math.

Hammurab, sorry to turn on you like this. I really did enjoy your hijack/troll/whatever it was early in the thread.

But you have been reported to moderation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13814664&postcount=1) by Trostia, for "flaming and trolling" and the appeal seems to have been upheld.

It really is time to knock it off.

Hammurab, sorry to turn on you like this. I really did enjoy your hijack/troll/whatever it was early in the thread.

But you have been reported to moderation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13814664&postcount=1) by Trostia, for "flaming and trolling" and the appeal seems to have been upheld.

It really is time to knock it off.

I'm aware of the powers that be. Katganistan delivered a warning, I responded to it, and I will refrain from the phrase "Fuck you", even it was directed at an adulterous clowning piece of shi- er, uh, I mean an amorous jester of a basta- er uh....well, Lunatic Goofballs.

Look, Nobel Hobos, you seem like a nice guy, but you don't what my life is like because of what he did to me. Every time I look at my child, I see LG's giant red afro. I wanted my son to follow me into a life of service and faith as a pastor; instead, he wants to be shot out of cannon.

And worst of all, I got some kind of note that my son will not be an Eagle Scout because he keeps shitting his pants.

So, if a warning from the mods is the price I have to pay for saying what's in my heart, I'll pay it.

I'm not knocking it off.

I'm aware of the powers that be. Katganistan delivered a warning, I responded to it, and I will refrain from the phrase "Fuck you", even it was directed at an adulterous clowning piece of shi- er, uh, I mean an amorous jester of a basta- er uh....well, Lunatic Goofballs.

Look, Nobel Hobos, you seem like a nice guy, but you don't what my life is like because of what he did to me. Every time I look at my child, I see LG's giant red afro. I wanted my son to follow me into a life of service and faith as a pastor; instead, he wants to be shot out of cannon.

And worst of all, I got some kind of note that my son will not be an Eagle Scout because he keeps shitting his pants.

So, if a warning from the mods is the price I have to pay for saying what's in my heart, I'll pay it.

I'm not knocking it off.

Mmmmm. Pasta.

Look, Nobel Hobos, you seem like a nice guy, but you don't what my life is like because of what he did to me. Every time I look at my child, I see LG's giant red afro. I wanted my son to follow me into a life of service and faith as a pastor; instead, he wants to be shot out of cannon.



Hey, that could be any clown's kid. I explained about your wife and clowns.

...shot out of a cannon, you say?

I'm aware of the powers that be. Katganistan delivered a warning, I responded to it, and I will refrain from the phrase "Fuck you", even it was directed at an adulterous clowning piece of shi- er, uh, I mean an amorous jester of a basta- er uh....well, Lunatic Goofballs.

Katganistan's "ruling" did not specify what the warning was for. Or even that there had been an official warning to you, though that was implied by "addressed" being the ruling rather than say "dismissed."

Now that you tell me that you received a warning, and what part of the complaint was upheld, I return to my contention that your posts to this thread are funny. Whether you mean them to be or not!

Look, Nobel Hobos, you seem like a nice guy, but you don't what my life is like because of what he did to me. Every time I look at my child, I see LG's giant red afro. I wanted my son to follow me into a life of service and faith as a pastor; instead, he wants to be shot out of cannon.

LG ain't like that. He's the Clown Pastor. Console yourself that your son's clown skills will win far more converts to the faith than any dreary "service" behind a pulpit.

Who knows, surviving ridiculous pranks while spreading the faith may qualify him for Sainthood. Surely you would want that for your son?

And worst of all, I got some kind of note that my son will not be an Eagle Scout because he keeps shitting his pants.

I'm trying to take you seriously, really I am, but it's a rough road.

What brand of nappies do you kit your son out in? Or do you use the old-fashioned reusable cloth ones?

So, if a warning from the mods is the price I have to pay for saying what's in my heart, I'll pay it.

I'm not knocking it off.

*shrug*

This thread was tragic from the very start. Crap parenting is one of the greatest evils of this world. I want to say "just take the kids into care" but I can't support that without being certain of the article's assertion that the parents send their kids to school in nappies because they "can't be bothered to toilet train them."

There might be some positive, character-building result of little kids having their already traumatic First Day at School involve meeting their classmates while dressed as a baby. I just can't think of one right now.

I wred the article too early in the morning. I was horrified. Anything I could take as humour to lighten my mood until the caffeine kicked in was welcome. So thanks for that.

Now I go to sit by a nice warm wood fire and play some Scrabble with two delightful older women. I'll be a few hours. :)

Katganistan's "ruling" did not specify what the warning was for. Or even that there had been an official warning to you, though that was implied by "addressed" being the ruling rather than say "dismissed."

Now that you tell me that you received a warning, and what part of the complaint was upheld, I return to my contention that your posts to this thread are funny. Whether you mean them to be or not!

What I received was a "Warned for flaming". I have inquired as to the remaining charges.



LG ain't like that. He's the Clown Pastor. Console yourself that your son's clown skills will win far more converts to the faith than any dreary "service" behind a pulpit.

Who knows, surviving ridiculous pranks while spreading the faith may qualify him for Sainthood. Surely you would want that for your son?

That's the thing; if he was going to do CHRISTIAN clowning, that would be fine, like when Stephen Baldwin's Extreme Ministry teaches kids that its okay to skateboard if you do it for Christ.

But no, the little traitor tells me "Dad, I want my life to be about entertainment, laughter, about touching somebody with happiness for its own sake, and if I tread on the ground of ideology, let me be shod in wit and insight, which will surely carry me farther than self-righteous certainty."

So I slapped him for fag talk.


This thread was tragic from the very start. Crap parenting is one of the greatest evils of this world. I want to say "just take the kids into care" but I can't support that without being certain of the article's assertion that the parents send their kids to school in nappies because they "can't be bothered to toilet train them."

There might be some positive, character-building result of little kids having their already traumatic First Day at School involve meeting their classmates while dressed as a baby. I just can't think of one right now.

I wred the article too early in the morning. I was horrified. Anything I could take as humour to lighten my mood until the caffeine kicked in was welcome. So thanks for that.

Now I go to sit by a nice warm wood fire and play some Scrabble with two delightful older women. I'll be a few hours. :)

Oh, sure, apply reasonable skepticism and withhold judgement until more information is available. That's what all intellectual cowards do. Next you'll be wanting to get real quantitative assessments of how wide spread the problem is, and even examine whether this is indicative of some broad trend and what underlying environment might contribute to either the existence of a real problem or the perception of an exaggerated one.

Well, when my son stops his queer ass sobbing, I'm going to tell him to read the bible until he can tell me what is happening with this issue and why.

[QUOTE=Hammurab;13815821]Oh, sure, apply reasonable skepticism and withhold judgement until more information is available. That's what all intellectual cowards do. Next you'll be wanting to get real quantitative assessments of how wide spread the problem is, and even examine whether this is indicative of some broad trend and what underlying environment might contribute to either the existence of a real problem or the perception of an exaggerated one.QUOTE]

DEFINITELY satire.

Anyway, not having your kid toilet trained by 5 is stupid.

DEFINITELY Satire.

Anyway, not having your kid toilet trained by 5 is stupid.

Wait, I had just mentioned slapping my kid for "fag talk", and the part that makes you think I'm being "satirical" is that I have no tolerance for over analysis?

So, it seems we almost all agree that the parents are idiots. So, what do you propose should be done for the poor buggers(kids) and to the parents? In Queensland the Department of Community services (DOCS) is already screwed beyond recovery (labor government... what do you expect). And remember these are only the cases of child neglect that we know about. I would be willing to wager that many of these children are disadvantaged in other ways by their parents attitudes and ability to provide for them. So, with the failure of DOCS it is not really practical to send the kids off the foster families. So, if you were the newly appointed "minister for kids who can't hold it in until recess" what would your strategy be to tackle this issue?

While the parents are sloppy...

Geez, starting schooling at age of 4½ and then whining not everyone is ready for school?

IMNSHO Queensland authorities need some toilet training too.

Wait, I had just mentioned slapping my kid for "fag talk", and the part that makes you think I'm being "satirical" is that I have no tolerance for over analysis?

I was going to put that part in, but I figured the "no tolerance for analysis" bit was a better proof.

You know... I think Hammarab is G W Bush, they have the same "God told me to!" feel to them :D

You know... I think Hammarab is G W Bush, they have the same "God told me to!" feel to them :D

You think G W Bush's presidency has been entirely satirical? Well I suppose it would answer a few questions...

To the issue at hand (potty training or the lack thereof) anyone who cant' be bothered to teach a child to use the toilet does not deserve to have children. That alone would be the cause of significant mental (and probably physical at the hands of other children) strain that will effect them for the rest of thier life. Another huge issue here is the health and hiegiene (I know I spelled it wrong) issues this brings up... the children can be exposed to several severe and deadly diseases because of they are still using diapers (nappies) well after they are capable of learning the basics of taking care of yourself.


And to Hammerab

If you are serious (I fucking hope not) I've got an argument to throw at you in an attempt to put some reason in your thought process. Its called sloth.. you know laziness? One of the seven deadly sins; if you sit around all day and do nothing but read your bible and shit on yourself you are not living a productive and healthy life and are guilty of sloth... which if I interpret the bible correctly is a good way to land on the "Go to Hell. Do not pass go. Do not collect eternal salvation." space of the Monopoly Board of life.

I think that dehydrated lady (beef jerky face, we call her) lives in our park, you know she told me once "ladies shouldn't play in the dirt" and gave a disapproving look towards my children, to which I replied "they aren't ladies, they're kids! kids absolutely play in the dirt, and smart grown ups do too!" .

She huffed and hobbled off.

What would she know anyway? When she was a kid, they probably didn't have dirt yet. Just rocks waiting for erosion to get to them. :p

And to Hammerab

If you are serious (I fucking hope not) I've got an argument to throw at you in an attempt to put some reason in your thought process. Its called sloth.. you know laziness? One of the seven deadly sins; if you sit around all day and do nothing but read your bible and shit on yourself you are not living a productive and healthy life and are guilty of sloth... which if I interpret the bible correctly is a good way to land on the "Go to Hell. Do not pass go. Do not collect eternal salvation." space of the Monopoly Board of life.

For one who wants to impose their own "reasoning" onto the thought processes of others, you should present something more cogent.

First off, studying the bible is not slothful, it can be done intensely, diligently, and rigorously; like any study, it can and should be approached without laziness. That principal alone refutes the very center of your argument.

As to what is a "productive and healthy life", that comes from applying the principals of the bible.

As for having a thick spongy turd along for the ride, its just more padding to sit on while you read scripture, and they make cologne for the stench. Or try Axe Body spray, its what I give my kids to use.

For one who wants to impose their own "reasoning" onto the thought processes of others, you should present something more cogent.

First off, studying the bible is not slothful, it can be done intensely, diligently, and rigorously; like any study, it can and should be approached without laziness. That principal alone refutes the very center of your argument.

As to what is a "productive and healthy life", that comes from applying the principals of the bible.

As for having a thick spongy turd along for the ride, its just more padding to sit on while you read scripture, and they make cologne for the stench. Or try Axe Body spray, its what I give my kids to use.

Hey! I don't want my kid smelling like....

>.>

<.<


....um..... forget it.

And to Hammerab

If you are serious (I fucking hope not) I've got an argument to throw at you in an attempt to put some reason in your thought process. Its called sloth.. you know laziness? One of the seven deadly sins; if you sit around all day and do nothing but read your bible and shit on yourself you are not living a productive and healthy life and are guilty of sloth

I'm wondering how any sane person could actually write the bolded line above and continue to take himself, and his target seriously.

I'm wondering how any sane person could actually write the bolded line above and continue to take himself, and his target seriously.

Its as simple as I wasn't.

I must defend DOCS workers here. "Taking the kids away" is not their only role, they employ counselling, remedial education (of the PARENTS!), respite care, and other less drastic measures before resorting to "taking the kids away from their parents." I would defend with my life people I barely know against injustice I am certain of -- I am no coward -- but being a DOCS worker is beyond my moral courage. Taking kids away from what they believe to be their parents is HARD.

Every time I hear someone bagging-out child protection services, I think of those crap parents. The ones who know they aren't coping, but insist that they are the only ones who can decide what's best for their kids. I imagine them reading these "Child Protection are incompetent and malicious" opinions, and being further entrenched into this idea that DOCS are child-stealers, that their pamphlets are propaganda and their offers of help are all part of a scheme to "take the kids away."

We need more DOCS workers. DOCS deserves more resources. Money for staff, that each worker has more time per case, but also more support from other branches of government and more integration with the not-for-profit welfare sector (often religiously motivated! Go you Christian Charities!)

I support Mandatory Reporting of suspected child abuse. But it's a burden of paperwork for the doctors, teachers, counsellors, social workers and charity workers who are bound by it. No "bounties" for substantial reports, fuck no, but simply compensation at their standard rate of pay, for the time taken to document and report the suspected abuse.

"Think of the children" is invoked in increasingly unrelated matters, but the focus is blurred, it's general, it's "tut tut, kids today" or "tut tut parents today" when it should be all about harm-reduction. Deal with the worst cases first. Minimize the suffering! Ameliorate the damage done to lives: intervene early, rather than worry about "OMG, the terrible paedophiles are enjoying themselves looking at clothing catalogues!"

SaintB, your decent and thoughtful post deserves a reply. I'll work on it, but it's late now (2:33 AM) and I'm drunk. If my reply is not up inside fifteen minutes, I appeal to other decent posters to at least acknowledge that joking about child neglect/abuse/miseducation isn't the only way to deal with the issue.

I'm wondering how any sane person could actually write the bolded line above and continue to take himself, and his target seriously.

It was a long and convoluted thread. I for one forgive you for not following it.

SaintB was trying to address the subject, but also the contentious (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=560084) and ambiguous posts of Hammurab.

I won't speak for SaintB, but I found Hammurab's early intervention in the thread, with what I found to be humour on several levels, entirely enjoyable.

Many posts of substance have now been added. Why not answer them, instead of this drive-by sophism?

Any of mine. They are wide-open to criticism, including meta-criticism, since I have blatantly contradicted myself several times?

To the issue at hand (potty training or the lack thereof) anyone who cant' be bothered to teach a child to use the toilet does not deserve to have children.

Yeah, it would be better that they didn't have children.

But I don't think we really want to tackle the problem at that level. Because stopping people from having children is a can of steroid-enhanced, carnivorous sentient worms!

Lyricism aside, stopping people from having children is judgement before the fact, it's profiling (and probably eugenics as well.)

The more reasonable solution is to warn people that they won't keep their children if they do it badly, not give them unconditional financial support for having children ("baby bonus") but give anyone, no matter their form in life up 'til then, the opportunity to be a good parent.

If they fail, and parent badly from their child's infancy ... help them! Don't just give them more money, give them help in parenting: education, respite, networking with parents who are doing it right

And, sadly: if the parents really can't hack it, take their kids away from their influence and into the care of a volunteer parent ("adoption" as it's called in babyhood, or "foster parenting" thereafter.) I stress that this is a lesser of two evils, not a solution to all cases of bad parenting. Terrible things happen to foster children, sometimes worse than the neglect or abuse they would have otherwise had with their first parent ... and yet, that is not the only reason why "taking the children away" is to be avoided, and held off by the exhaustion of other options.

For a kid to prefer one parent over another, or "want to live with grandma now" is quite different from having a third party choose their parents for them. Try to imagine it from a little kid's point of view: "who are my parents? Do I like this new parent better? But there's all this stuff I don't remember well, I'm not sure about it, can I go back and try the bad parents out again?"
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I say: it's better that the "taking away" happens early, before the kid can think like that.

That alone would be the cause of significant mental (and probably physical at the hands of other children) strain that will affect them for the rest of thier life.

Agreed. With one qualification: children cause each other mental "strain" (howabout "trauma"?) without laying a hand on each other.

They're little people, impaired in their perceptions or analysis sure, but their self-respect can be harmed by the disapproval of other little people. If people they like don't like them it damages their self-respect ... and at the 4-5 yo level, they should be protected from people who don't like them. They need "run to mommy/daddy" at that age. It's too soon for "grow a thicker skin, some people are assholes."

Another huge issue here is the health and hiegiene (I know I spelled it wrong) issues this brings up... the children can be exposed to several severe and deadly diseases because of they are still using diapers (nappies) well after they are capable of learning the basics of taking care of yourself.

There is a Firefox dictionary-add-on error in the above. The plural of "diaper" should be recognized by the spell-checker.

Yeah. I'm just guessing, but perhaps the parents who are sending their kids to school in nappies aren't so much "lazy" in not teaching their kids to pee/shit in the pot, as incompetent in teaching their kids ... anything, really. I can't imagine that even babies like the smell of shit. Teaching them to avoid the smell of shit (or the discomfort of a wet nappy!) should be pretty cinch. No need to slap them, it's "logical consequences" -- smell of shit Bad, just like slap-on-bum Bad.

Several posters have identified "not potty trained" with "shit all down back of legs/on chair" ...and they're not far wrong. Unless the kid can put their nappy on by themselves, wearing a nappy is pretty much equivalent to Someone Else Does My Shit.

Several posters have identified "not potty trained" with "shit all down back of legs/on chair" ...and they're not far wrong. Unless the kid can put their nappy on by themselves, wearing a nappy is pretty much equivalent to Someone Else Does My Shit.

in any case it is a symptom of something gone seriously wrong with the parents.

some are clueless utopians who dont want to mar little johnny with forced indoctrination of societies arbitrary rules. some are neglectful beasts who cant get it together enough to instruct little johnny in the basics of hygiene--it interferes with their drug time. perhaps some dont want to burden johnny with a difficult task at the same time as he is dealing with the break up of the family--no one want to be the bad guy enforcing the rules when johnny is so sad.

in any case, as you mentioned above, child and family services can intervene in these families and get them on the right track. no need to assume that the child will be removed from the home unless the home is shown to be a horrorshow of abuse that lack of potty training is the only outside evidence of. most parents will go to the classes/therapy that they are forced into and pretty soon johnny is using the toilet just like every other non-handicapped kid his age.

Yeah, it would be better that they didn't have children.

But I don't think we really want to tackle the problem at that level. Because stopping people from having children is a can of steroid-enhanced, carnivorous sentient worms!

Lyricism aside, stopping people from having children is judgement before the fact, it's profiling (and probably eugenics as well.)

The more reasonable solution is to warn people that they won't keep their children if they do it badly, not give them unconditional financial support for having children ("baby bonus") but give anyone, no matter their form in life up 'til then, the opportunity to be a good parent.

If they fail, and parent badly from their child's infancy ... help them! Don't just give them more money, give them help in parenting: education, respite, networking with parents who are doing it right

And, sadly: if the parents really can't hack it, take their kids away from their influence and into the care of a volunteer parent ("adoption" as it's called in babyhood, or "foster parenting" thereafter.) I stress that this is a lesser of two evils, not a solution to all cases of bad parenting. Terrible things happen to foster children, sometimes worse than the neglect or abuse they would have otherwise had with their first parent ... and yet, that is not the only reason why "taking the children away" is to be avoided, and held off by the exhaustion of other options.

For a kid to prefer one parent over another, or "want to live with grandma now" is quite different from having a third party choose their parents for them. Try to imagine it from a little kid's point of view: "who are my parents? Do I like this new parent better? But there's all this stuff I don't remember well, I'm not sure about it, can I go back and try the bad parents out again?"
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I say: it's better that the "taking away" happens early, before the kid can think like that.



Agreed. With one qualification: children cause each other mental "strain" (howabout "trauma"?) without laying a hand on each other.

They're little people, impaired in their perceptions or analysis sure, but their self-respect can be harmed by the disapproval of other little people. If people they like don't like them it damages their self-respect ... and at the 4-5 yo level, they should be protected from people who don't like them. They need "run to mommy/daddy" at that age. It's too soon for "grow a thicker skin, some people are assholes."



There is a Firefox dictionary-add-on error in the above. The plural of "diaper" should be recognized by the spell-checker.

Yeah. I'm just guessing, but perhaps the parents who are sending their kids to school in nappies aren't so much "lazy" in not teaching their kids to pee/shit in the pot, as incompetent in teaching their kids ... anything, really. I can't imagine that even babies like the smell of shit. Teaching them to avoid the smell of shit (or the discomfort of a wet nappy!) should be pretty cinch. No need to slap them, it's "logical consequences" -- smell of shit Bad, just like slap-on-bum Bad.

Several posters have identified "not potty trained" with "shit all down back of legs/on chair" ...and they're not far wrong. Unless the kid can put their nappy on by themselves, wearing a nappy is pretty much equivalent to Someone Else Does My Shit.

Well, most of my posts are made at work and I can't download firefox and its wonderful beautiful awesomeascious spell checker. Also bearing that in mind its usually between the hours of 5 am and 12 pm that I have the oppurtunity to post (while at work as mentioned) and my attentions are obviously drawn elsewhere plus add in the fact I'm 24 and regardless of work, my saturday nights are my sacred have some fun time so I'm pretty tired. In short its usually hard for me to get my full thoughts into my posts; so I kind of paraphrase.

Parents that can't be bothered to take care of thier children should not have them, while we can't sterilyze them because maybe someday they will actually care, in cases of that sort however it is best to remove the child from that situation. I agree with all your points about other parents though, many parents are totally devoted to thier children and sometimes they might just not be compitent enough to take care of them correctly and need some guidance in how to do so, another disturbing trend in society is a devoted and loving parent holds a job that takes a large portion of thier time, perhaps they work long shifts or multiple jobs to provide for those children. In which case you get babysitters and sometimes children raising children and this can be a cause for many problems. When I was 13 I was in this situation, potty training my 2 year old brother almost by myself at that age took almost 2 years because lets face it.. I wasn't compitent enough for the task. Many babysitters won't even attempt to potty train, leaving that up to the parent(s) who are constantly working; vicious cycles and all that.

On another note.. me, I'm slightly autistic and learning some simple tasks like speaking, tieing my own shoes (something I have yet to master and didn't learn properly until I was ten). I was almost in Kindergarten before fully potty trained. There are likely exceptional cases of this nature too to take into consideration.

Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.
If ever a motivation for the scientific endeavour, this be it.

I'm wondering how any sane person could actually write the bolded line above and continue to take himself, and his target seriously.

Well Neo Art, I simply was not taking it serious. It was my own half assed I been up for over 24 hours attempt to use his own humorous logic against him in an almost equally rediculous fashion.

in any case it is a symptom of something gone seriously wrong with the parents.

Well, yes. That's the tragic aspect, though. I have to concentrate on the 'what to do about it?' aspect because those raves about "parents today are bad because a b and c" just seem to me to make the situation worse.

some are clueless utopians who dont want to mar little johnny with forced indoctrination of societies arbitrary rules. some are neglectful beasts who cant get it together enough to instruct little johnny in the basics of hygiene--it interferes with their drug time. perhaps some dont want to burden johnny with a difficult task at the same time as he is dealing with the break up of the family--no one want to be the bad guy enforcing the rules when johnny is so sad.

Those are all bad.

All are different 'explanations' for this basic problem: somebody needs to make decisions for a small child, since a child is not competent to make many decisions in their own interests. If the person making the decisions (parent) isn't competetent then not only are bad things happening to the child (sickness, social stigma, possible abuse) but the child is learning all the wrong habits of thought and self-control.

There's no need to see potty training as "enforcing the rules." Some rules and consistent application ARE necessary -- like bedtime, where the benefit to the child (the way in which regular bedtime is in their interests) isn't obvious to them until they've been doing it for a long time.

In the case of potty-training, the benefit of shitting in the pot instead of on the ground should be obvious. There's still an aspect of rules ("hey kid, stop shitting on my carpet!") but having control of their bowels is in their own interests: not having the smell of pee and poo following them around, and the dignity of the body: pride in being able to do something for themselves.

in any case, as you mentioned above, child and family services can intervene in these families and get them on the right track. no need to assume that the child will be removed from the home unless the home is shown to be a horrorshow of abuse that lack of potty training is the only outside evidence of. most parents will go to the classes/therapy that they are forced into and pretty soon johnny is using the toilet just like every other non-handicapped kid his age.

Spot on.

The only qualification I would make is that preferable for help to be offered before anyone has to be forced to learn better habits. And the negative myth of child services as doing nothing but taking kids away makes it hard for those workers to offer help without having to force it on parents.

If ever a motivation for the scientific endeavour, this be it.

I remember having a bad habit of not flushing after I'd used the toilet. But I was mad for rocketships and technology in general. One of my cunning parents got me to pretend that the shiny button on top of the cistern was the launch button and the roaring sound the mighty engines bursting into life.

*fart*
---
*splash*
*paper ripping*
---
*lid closing*
*flushing*
"BLAST OFF!!!"

DISCLAIMER: Everyone is allowed one insanely childish post now and then. This is going to be my insanely childish post, and frankly, this poster does not deserve to be taken seriously.

Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.

If you love your bible so much, why don't you just marry it?

The truth frightens those who are frightened by the truth. It sounds redundant, but its actually deep and meaningful, like the reflective theorem.

Look, what's scary is this: There are people, in this world, in your country, in your town, maybe in YOUR HOUSE, that haven't accepted Christ.

Now, I want you to really think about this: Would you rather be walking around in dry clean underwear but bound for hell, or would you rather feel the firm yet slightly yielding mass of a turd all day at school but know that your saviour lives?
I would find it more scary if they were unable to use the bathroom

DISCLAIMER: Everyone is allowed one insanely childish post now and then. This is going to be my insanely childish post, and frankly, this poster does not deserve to be taken seriously.

If you love your bible so much, why don't you just marry it?

Because the bible itself says that a man shall cleave unto his wife, not his genuine imitation leather bound study bible with forward by Benny Hinn.

However, I would ask that people support my petition for review of the pending case against me for my briefly adulterous affair with a phone directory attached to a payphone at the mall.

I was there to hand out Chick tracts, and I was weak, and through Jesus I am forgiven, whether County Statute 525.443 "Lewd Vandalization of Public Reference Material by Semen and/or Other Bodily Fluid" says so or not.

I would find it more scary if they were unable to use the bathroom

Well, then be content that your children will wipe properly in hell, while mine will proudly carry their skidmarked garments amidst the unending glory of God.

Because the bible itself says that a man shall cleave unto his wife, not his genuine imitation leather bound study bible with forward by Benny Hinn.

However, I would ask that people support my petition for review of the pending case against me for my briefly adulterous affair with a phone directory attached to a payphone at the mall.

I was there to hand out Chick tracts, and I was weak, and through Jesus I am forgiven, whether County Statute 525.443 "Lewd Vandalization of Public Reference Material by Semen and/or Other Bodily Fluid" says so or not.

Errm.. I'd lend my support but I tend to stay away from issues involving people's semem, I hope you understand.

Well, then be content that your children will wipe properly in hell, while mine will proudly carry their skidmarked garments amidst the unending glory of God.

Seems you forgot to read your bible because Psalms, Chapter 11, verses 9-13 state:

'And the Lord spaketh unto Jebediah in most solemneth tones...eth
Take thee care to wipe thine ass and leave not a long brown trail
For the sight of blemished underwear is an offense unto mine eyes
And Jebediah did hear the Lord and henceforth undertook to wipe at least twice'

Guys give up Hummurad believes enforcing his religious beliefs on others is the most important thing in the world. :headbang::headbang::headbang:

Lets not forget that the bible teaches people to be loving and caring for each other. And the best way a parent can be loving and caring for their child is to teach them the basics in life. One of thoes basics to me involves learning how to shit.

This has officially become the highlight of my whole day.

Well, most of my posts are made at work and I can't download firefox and its wonderful beautiful awesomeascious spell checker. Also bearing that in mind its usually between the hours of 5 am and 12 pm that I have the oppurtunity to post (while at work as mentioned) and my attentions are obviously drawn elsewhere plus add in the fact I'm 24 and regardless of work, my saturday nights are my sacred have some fun time so I'm pretty tired. In short its usually hard for me to get my full thoughts into my posts; so I kind of paraphrase.

Hey, no need to apologize. There's no such thing as the perfect post!

Parents that can't be bothered to take care of thier children should not have them, while we can't sterilyze them because maybe someday they will actually care,
Yep.
in cases of that sort however it is best to remove the child from that situation. I agree with all your points about other parents though, many parents are totally devoted to thier children and sometimes they might just not be compitent enough to take care of them correctly and need some guidance in how to do so, another disturbing trend in society is a devoted and loving parent holds a job that takes a large portion of thier time,
I wish there was some way the government could pay parents according to the the merit of their parenting, without thereby giving an incentive to people to have kids for the money. Good parenting is a social benefit (good kids make good citizens later).
Unfortunately, any mechanism to monitor and asses the hours spent parenting and the quality of that parenting would be very intrusive on the part of government, and contentious as to what is "good" parenting.

But that's just the money aspect. If career advancement (or even keeping the job) requires very long hours, working weekends etc, that might not be the best job for a parent. Maybe, just maybe, government could require employers to grant shorter working hours to employees (for lower wages obviously) depending on how many kids they parent.
Jane has no kids, and needs to work 45 hours to keep the job. Jack has two kids, and can keep the "same" job with only 35 hours a week. (Still the problem of whether they actually use that time to parent or not.)

perhaps they work long shifts or multiple jobs to provide for those children. In which case you get babysitters and sometimes children raising children and this can be a cause for many problems. When I was 13 I was in this situation, potty training my 2 year old brother almost by myself at that age took almost 2 years because lets face it.. I wasn't compitent enough for the task. Many babysitters won't even attempt to potty train, leaving that up to the parent(s) who are constantly working; vicious cycles and all that.

Oh man. I'm glib, I compose a plausible sentence, but you've actually lived through this!

If I was expecting to become a parent, I'd be taking classes for the skills. I actually DON'T KNOW how to potty-train a little kid, I admit it.

On another note.. me, I'm slightly autistic and learning some simple tasks like speaking, tieing my own shoes (something I have yet to master and didn't learn properly until I was ten). I was almost in Kindergarten before fully potty trained. There are likely exceptional cases of this nature too to take into consideration.

The OP wisely excluded extreme cases like medical or disability reasons for a 5-yo to need a nappy. But of course, there aren't two classes of people with distinct needs, there are different degrees.

Good schools (ie good teachers + good students) can compensate for the differing needs of students without singling any out as "the special kid." But for an average school, I can't help thinking that a kid who needs a nappy is going to be socially isolated from the very start, unless he's got some comeback like "it's 'cos my arse don't work properly."

DISCLAIMER: Everyone is allowed one insanely childish post now and then. This is going to be my insanely childish post, and frankly, this poster does not deserve to be taken seriously.

Hey, don't be judgemental. Laugh at him or ignore him, I say!

If you love your bible so much, why don't you just marry it?

You should be insanely childish more often!

Hey, what's that smell ?

One of thoes basics to me involves learning how to shit.

The last thing you need to do with a baby is to teach it how to shit, little fuckers are pretty damn good at it all by themselves.

sorry prehaps i should of said where to shit:D

Seems you forgot to read your bible because Psalms, Chapter 11, verses 9-13 state:

'And the Lord spaketh unto Jebediah in most solemneth tones...eth
Take thee care to wipe thine ass and leave not a long brown trail
For the sight of blemished underwear is an offense unto mine eyes
And Jebediah did hear the Lord and henceforth undertook to wipe at least twice'

That is a mistranslation done by Jesuits under the control of Jews in suits.

If you want to debate scripture, you must do it prayerfully, or all your inferences will be wrong.

Guys give up Hummurad believes enforcing his religious beliefs on others is the most important thing in the world. :headbang::headbang::headbang:

Lets not forget that the bible teaches people to be loving and caring for each other. And the best way a parent can be loving and caring for their child is to teach them the basics in life. One of thoes basics to me involves learning how to shit.

They should give up, yes, but they should give up resisting the scriptural ratified truth that I'm giving to you.

I do that out of love (unless you're a Jew, in which case you are going to eventually be fooled by the Anti-Christ, that was very well explained by Narnian Council).

Look, by forcing my beliefs on others, I'm bringing us all closer to having the same belief; by enforcing American Fundamentalist Christianity, I'm bring us closer to having the correct belief. So, using coercion and hatred to impose those things I believe in is an act of conscience. How could setting a precedent like that ever backfire?

You know what I just realized? Hammurab is not a troll, but a satirist!
(I was debating with myself what he was ;))

You know what I just realized? Hammurab is not a troll, but a satirist!
(I was debating with myself what he was ;))

. . . . .just?

Hey guys, I just realized, water is safe to drink! I wasn't sure but I am pretty positive now

Hey, no need to apologize. There's no such thing as the perfect post!


Yep.

I wish there was some way the government could pay parents according to the the merit of their parenting, without thereby giving an incentive to people to have kids for the money. Good parenting is a social benefit (good kids make good citizens later).
Unfortunately, any mechanism to monitor and asses the hours spent parenting and the quality of that parenting would be very intrusive on the part of government, and contentious as to what is "good" parenting.

But that's just the money aspect. If career advancement (or even keeping the job) requires very long hours, working weekends etc, that might not be the best job for a parent. Maybe, just maybe, government could require employers to grant shorter working hours to employees (for lower wages obviously) depending on how many kids they parent.
Jane has no kids, and needs to work 45 hours to keep the job. Jack has two kids, and can keep the "same" job with only 35 hours a week. (Still the problem of whether they actually use that time to parent or not.)



Oh man. I'm glib, I compose a plausible sentence, but you've actually lived through this!

If I was expecting to become a parent, I'd be taking classes for the skills. I actually DON'T KNOW how to potty-train a little kid, I admit it.



The OP wisely excluded extreme cases like medical or disability reasons for a 5-yo to need a nappy. But of course, there aren't two classes of people with distinct needs, there are different degrees.

Good schools (ie good teachers + good students) can compensate for the differing needs of students without singling any out as "the special kid." But for an average school, I can't help thinking that a kid who needs a nappy is going to be socially isolated from the very start, unless he's got some comeback like "it's 'cos my arse don't work properly."

Um, excuse me, could you and SaintB please get on topic?

This thread is not for the civil exchange of salient observations and personal experience on the issue of potty training and its percumbent social and biological aspects.

Its a place to understand why being accompanied by a foamy, acrid, slightly lumpy stream of shit is a small price to pay for Jesus Christ.

Its a place to understand why being accompanied by a foamy, acrid, slightly lumpy stream of shit is a small price to pay for Jesus Christ.

diarrhea for Christ!

That is a mistranslation done by Jesuits under the control of Jews in suits.

If you want to debate scripture, you must do it prayerfully, or all your inferences will be wrong.

I'll have you know I write my posts facing east while kneeling on a rather nicely embroidered carpet... and a roll of double-ply always at the ready in order to wipe my ass in the name of the Lord.

diarrhea for Christ!

...and there was I thinking those religious nuts were screaming 'die..aaaargh....for....Christ' before blowing themselves to smithereens.

Learn something every day.

That is a mistranslation done by Jesuits under the control of Jews in suits.

If you want to debate scripture, you must do it prayerfully, or all your inferences will be wrong.

"If you want to debate scripture" you'd be wildly off-topic in this thread.
"If you want to debate scripture" you would do it in a context with some dignity.
"If you want to debate scripture" you'd find someone who isn't barking mad to debate it with.
"If you want to debate scripture" you'd debate without corrupting it from the start with "prayerfulness."
"If you want to debate scripture" it would help to rhapsodize about having a full nappy.
"If you want to debate scripture" it would ill-serve you to open the can of worms labelled "anti-Semite."
"If you want to debate scripture" you would know when to drop it.

(Attempted ***Seventh Flush***. Did I do it right?)

"If you want to debate scripture" you'd be wildly off-topic in this thread.
"If you want to debate scripture" you would do it in a context with some dignity.
"If you want to debate scripture" you'd find someone who isn't barking mad to debate it with.
"If you want to debate scripture" you'd debate without corrupting it from the start with "prayerfulness."
"If you want to debate scripture" it would help to rhapsodize about having a full nappy.
"If you want to debate scripture" it would ill-serve you to open the can of worms labelled "anti-Semite."
"If you want to debate scripture" you would know when to drop it.

(Attempted ***Seventh Flush***. Did I do it right?)


If you had a grasp of "context", you'd know it was Barringtonia, not me, who referenced Psalms 11. I'm just pointing out that, although he quoted it correctly (if you look, he got it right, if you even own a Bible), he totally misunderstood.

And since the verse he referenced IS about shitting one's self, he is completely relevant.

Seriously, there 10 commandments and 613 Mitzvot in the Halakhah, although my Kohein hasn't gone through all of them with me yet, but so far, THERE IS NOT ONE THING IN THAT SAYS ITS BAD TO DROP A DEUCE DURING CLASS OR AT RECESS.

"If you want to debate scripture" you would know when to drop it.

...and then know to wipe properly afterwards.

I will not join you, and here's why:

A parents job is not to toilet train their children, it is to give them a strong moral upbringing.

Think about it: its one or the other. If your kid can crap in the right spot and not just anywhere, fine, but the priority should be to inculcate them with the right beliefs.

Which would you rather have, a child that drops the occasional deuce in his pants but knows to pray and not murder people, or some kid with pristine, unsoiled pants but blood on his or her hands?

Just remember this: every second spent explaining the workings of a toilet is one less second with the bible.

Are you for real?

I would assume its brilliant satire, but when ever you think "no one could be that stupid", someone always surprises you.;)

If Hammurab's posts are satire, then bravo. If not, involuntary confinement seems wise. And yes, I'm serious.

Well let me help you decide.

There is a way to live your life, and it is right there in the Bible. If you have children, their Heavenly Father has admonished you to be responsible for them and how they behave.

The bible is complete, inerrant, and best of all, it has little numbers so you can quote things for other people to find.

There's a section on not killing, a section on praying, a section on every possible facet for your daily life.

Is there a section that says its a big deal if a kid happens to blast a watery green shit down his pant leg?

No. Why? Because it has nothing to do with victory in christ. And neither does satire.

Actually, there is a section, I think in Leviticus, stating that if you have to defecate or urinate, you need to take a shovel, go outside the city or your domicile, walk several yards, dig a hole, do your business, fill the hole in and return to your work. I believe that comes under the heading of toilet training. Anyone for a literal interpretation of the Bible?

You forget the principal or christian charity. If a group of people were starving in Africa its much better to give them a bunch of bibles they cant even read then give them access to clean water

Actually, there is a section, I think in Leviticus, stating that if you have to defecate or urinate, you need to take a shovel, go outside the city or your domicile, walk several yards, dig a hole, do your business, fill the hole in and return to your work. I believe that comes under the heading of toilet training. Anyone for a literal interpretation of the Bible?

That's precisely the error that leads you to the wrong conclusion (and your unprayerful attitude).

That section of the Old Testament is metaphorical. Rather than meaning actual urine or feces, it refers to how we should remove the sin (here symbolized as pee and poo) from our hearts (represented by "city or domicile), take the shovel (of Godliness), and dig a hole (of Holiness).

So, it has nothing to do with toilet training, but about ongoing efforts to concern ourselves with the things of God.

You forget the principal or christian charity. If a group of people were starving in Africa its much better to give them a bunch of bibles they cant even read then give them access to clean water

Right, that's what I'm saying. Did you read what you posted?

Actually, there is a section, I think in Leviticus, stating that if you have to defecate or urinate, you need to take a shovel, go outside the city or your domicile, walk several yards, dig a hole, do your business, fill the hole in and return to your work. I believe that comes under the heading of toilet training. Anyone for a literal interpretation of the Bible?

The bible gives poop disposal instructions. Nice.

You forget the principal or christian charity. If a group of people were starving in Africa its much better to give them a bunch of bibles they cant even read then give them access to clean water

They could use the Bibles to filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcoal_filter) the water.

The bible gives poop disposal instructions. Nice.

Scripture and its related commentary gives advice on everything from making love to planting Egyptian beans.

Didn't you see Yentyl?

They could use the Bibles to filter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcoal_filter) the water.

There you go, see, there's a way to get some victory in christ.

Anyway, if you look at what he originally wrote (if he hasn't edited it), he had it right the first time.

It IS better to give them bibles, just like he said.

Scripture and its related commentary gives advice on everything from making love to planting Egyptian beans.

Where was the passage about mildew?
I remember a passage about mildew.

That's precisely the error that leads you to the wrong conclusion (and your unprayerful attitude).

That section of the Old Testament is metaphorical. Rather than meaning actual urine or feces, it refers to how we should remove the sin (here symbolized as pee and poo) from our hearts (represented by "city or domicile), take the shovel (of Godliness), and dig a hole (of Holiness).

So, it has nothing to do with toilet training, but about ongoing efforts to concern ourselves with the things of God.

I think I'd rather remove the urine and feces, thank you. Actually, and I'll assume that you are actually serious when you say that this is a metaphor, in the context of Leviticus, these are actual instructions about how to live a healthy - and therefore, presumably, Godly - life. No metaphor and no prayer needed. In point of fact, if you read the whole chapter you will note that consists of detailed instructions about how to live day to day. You fundies really do pick and choose what you'll take literally and what you'll call metaphor.

In any case, you go ahead and concern yourself with the things of God, I'll concern myself with keeping myself and my family clean and healthy..

hammurud firstly you could post them all together

And secondly you may be under the belief that I support you here. i dont. Give the people the basics in life first

also I cant help but laugh that the bible gives shit disposal instructions. Such things would have been done at that time for the simple reason of hygiene. Today we have much more better disposal facilities (toilets). There is no reason to go below the sanitation

Every religous leader that I know of manages to go to a toilet. If the bible was far more important then these basics I would expect the pope to crap in his pants giving the chance for a lesser cardinal to make him clean

then again prehaps a cardinal is too high? It may have to be done by an alter boy. Or would the situation be in reverse? Would the pope be cleaning an alter boys ass so the alter boy could read the bible?

The simple fact is that all religions have there members (if physically capable) clean there own shit from their ass. They have this idea much more in perspective

Would the pope be cleaning an alter boys ass so the alter boy could read the bible?

Only in a very euphemistical sense.

Scripture and its related commentary gives advice on everything from making love to planting Egyptian beans.

Didn't you see Yentyl?

Isn't that a kind of soup? :confused:

I think this Hammurub character comes under the heading of "so Heavenly minded he's of no Earthly use."

hammurud firstly you could post them all together

And secondly you may be under the belief that I support you here. i dont. Give the people the basics in life first.


Self-sacrifice, this is what you posted:


You forget the principal or christian charity. If a group of people were starving in Africa its much better to give them a bunch of bibles they cant even read then give them access to clean water

I'll ask again, did you read what you wrote?

You have a clearly unprayerful approach to language, even your own.

I think I'd rather remove the urine and feces, thank you. Actually, and I'll assume that you are actually serious when you say that this is a metaphor, in the context of Leviticus, these are actual instructions about how to live a healthy - and therefore, presumably, Godly - life. No metaphor and no prayer needed. In point of fact, if you read the whole chapter you will note that consists of detailed instructions about how to live day to day. You fundies really do pick and choose what you'll take literally and what you'll call metaphor.

In any case, you go ahead and concern yourself with the things of God, I'll concern myself with keeping myself and my family clean and healthy..

I admit you must have studied a lot and read a great deal to have such acute and piercing perception for the nuance of language, based on how you're responding to me.

That said, you are still wrong, that section is clearly metaphorical. As for calling me a Fundie (tm), that is a brand of novelty underwear that two people can get into, and despite their brief (get it? brief?) popularity as a gag gift at bachelorette parties, they have nothing to do with living a Christ centered life.

Besides, they actually make it harder to have sex.

Isn't that a kind of soup? :confused:

Okay, look, I know you Jew sympathizers don't understand cinema, since its an art form pioneered by Germans and there are almost NO Jewish directors, producers, or screenwriters in the history of film, but this kind of ignorance is easily fixed.

Get Yentyl on netflix, you'll love it. I also recommend American History X for its great protagonist, a strong young white man, although I never did see the last half of it.

And the rare Troll (http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_files_troll_2.jpg) emerges from its cave to grace the NSG boards with its presence.

Okay, look, I know you Jew sympathizers don't understand cinema, since its an art form pioneered by Germans and there are almost NO Jewish directors, producers, or screenwriters in the history of film, but this kind of ignorance is easily fixed.

Get Yentyl on netflix, you'll love it. I also recommend American History X for its great protagonist, a strong young white man, although I never did see the last half of it.

SOunds like the kind of crap Barbara Streisand would watch. :p

And the rare Troll (http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_files_troll_2.jpg) emerges from its cave to grace the NSG boards with its presence.

A troll is a creature from Norse mythology that has a big nose, regenerates from any damage except fire, and lives underground looking for gold. That's basically the same as a Jew.

I am a strong Christian white man, and am more analogous to Thor, except he's kind of gay with the long hair and thigh high boots. So think of me as Thor with a high and tight haircut, and something less gay for footwear, like my white ostrich cowboy boots with the salmon colored stitching.

And he tries to argue with LG.

This is going to be great.

I admit you must have studied a lot and read a great deal to have such acute and piercing perception for the nuance of language, based on how you're responding to me.

That said, you are still wrong, that section is clearly metaphorical. As for calling me a Fundie (tm), that is a brand of novelty underwear that two people can get into, and despite their brief (get it? brief?) popularity as a gag gift at bachelorette parties, they have nothing to do with living a Christ centered life.

Besides, they actually make it harder to have sex.

This pretty much convinces me that you're having us on.

SOunds like the kind of crap Barbara Streisand would watch. :p

Dude, for fuck's sake, don't hold the whole film under derision, she wasn't as much of a diva back then. And Mandy Patinkin is brilliant, both strong and vulnerable, and it really explores the idea of what we love in life, and why.

If it wasn't filthy fucking kike Jew bullshit with an Oscar from Hebewood, I'd send you one of my copies.

A troll is a creature from Norse mythology that has a big nose, regenerates from any damage except fire, and lives underground looking for gold. That's basically the same as a Jew.

I am a strong Christian white man, and am more analogous to Thor, except he's kind of gay with the long hair and thigh high boots. So think of me as Thor with a high and tight haircut, and something less gay for footwear, like my white ostrich cowboy boots with the salmon colored stitching.

lol. Ok, you're funny.:D

This pretty much convinces me that you're having us on.

That post was completely serious, look them up.

And I honestly meant what I said to you, too.

A troll is a creature from Norse mythology that has a big nose, regenerates from any damage except fire, and lives underground looking for gold. That's basically the same as a Jew.

I am a strong Christian white man, and am more analogous to Thor, except he's kind of gay with the long hair and thigh high boots. So think of me as Thor with a high and tight haircut, and something less gay for footwear, like my white ostrich cowboy boots with the salmon colored stitching.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion

-Wikipedia


This is what I am using in reference to you. This b t3h int3rnet tr0ll

This pretty much convinces me that you're having us on.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13818070&postcount=123

Although I admit you have a very good sense of humor.

And he tries to argue with LG.

This is going to be great.

Lunatic Goofballs is a race traitor who will be first against the wall when RAHOWA comes.

And I don't mean he's betrayed white people, he's betrayed clowns. The secret of ballistic pastry was not meant for the uninitiated, and yet LG betrayed his master and murdered his clown master, HippyBoppy the Joyous, before stealing and then publicizing the means to fill, bake, and propel pies.

He's to clowns what Lerma is to the Scientologists. And like them, clowns always settle up.

The last thing you need to do with a baby is to teach it how to shit, little fuckers are pretty damn good at it all by themselves.

Good call baz. *nod*

===========

lol. Ok, you're funny.

Ham sure is. If it was my beliefs which were being satirized, I'd be ready to blow a gasket by now. But the best humour DOES skirt the boundaries of causing offence.

I particularly liked the hole of holiness. And it wasn't even Ham who drew first on Leviticus! That's some serious smarts right there.

And I don't mean he's betrayed white people, he's betrayed clowns. The secret of ballistic pastry was not meant for the uninitiated, and yet LG betrayed his master and murdered his clown master, HippyBoppy the Joyous, before stealing and then publicizing the means to fill, bake, and propel pies.

A magician never reveals the secret behind his tricks. And what is a clown but a magician of laughter?

LG, for shame. :(

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion

-Wikipedia


This is what I am using in reference to you. This b t3h int3rnet tr0ll

Figures a Jew lover would use Wiki instead of citing some peer-reviewed scientific literature from someplace reputable and with a proven track record of meaningful research, like Harvard or the Weizmann Institute.

Calling me a troll is disrespectful. This is pure Aryan blood you're talking to.

Didn't you see Higher Learning?

I'm a jew lover?

Iz you racist???

and no.

I particularly liked the hole of holiness. And it wasn't even Ham who drew first on Leviticus! That's some serious smarts right there.

We strong white males, as a collective policy, have decided to de-emphasize our superior intellects as demonstrative of our racial right to hegemony. It turns out the Asians are smarter than us, so it doesn't really work to our advantage.

We have decided to instead stress our right to racial purity and survival that exists regardless of whether we are superior.

This isn't just my view; I've heard several of my white brothers express precisely this mentality on that weather information website where I learned about Jews....I thinks its called stormsomething.com, I forget the actual address, I have it bookmarked, though.

I'm a jew lover?

What, aren't you? Anti-semite.
I kid.

I'm a jew-liker I suppose. Unless they're dicks.
Which stands true for any group of people.

Although I admit you have a very good sense of humor.

There is nothing funny about White Pride World Wide.

Seriously, why do any of you think this is satire?

In the war of the future, your skin is your uniform. And your foreskin is, I don't know, your rank badge or something.

What, aren't you? Anti-semite.
I kid.

Buuuuuuuurn!

There is nothing funny about White Pride World Wide.

Very true.

In the war of the future, your skin is your uniform.

My skin has always been my "uniform". :D

There is nothing funny about White Pride World Wide.

Seriously, why do any of you think this is satire?

In the war of the future, your skin is your uniform. And your foreskin is, I don't know, your rank badge or something.

I'm black...

and still you amuse me.

Whether you're trying or not

I'm a jew-liker I suppose. Unless they're dicks.
Which stands true for any group of people.

All Jews are dicks.

Think for a second, really think, prayerfully, because if you aren't a Jew or a black or an Aleutian Islander or a Mongolian or...okay, its just faster to say what you are instead of what you aren't, so I'll start over.

Think for a second, really think, prayerfully, because if you are white, or Ainu, which are kind of like prehistoric white japanese or something, I'm not sure...wait, okay, one more time.

Think for a second, really think, prayerfully, because if you can date a southern white woman without her Dad getting pissed, there might still be a chance for you.

Jews are all dicks. Understand that now. They create famine, war, economic disparity, and the sequels to Highlander. They. Are. Evil.

If you are white, I care about you and want you to know the truth. Wake up.

I particularly liked the hole of holiness. And it wasn't even Ham who drew first on Leviticus! That's some serious smarts right there.

The technical term is ass-holiness.

Hammurab is a great proponent of ass-holiness despite his denials.

I'm black...

and still you amuse me.

Whether you're trying or not

Okay, then forget everything I just said, because if you're black, you're nothing but the puppet on the strings of Jew ventriliquists.

Wait, that doesn't make any sense, ventriliquist dummies don't use strings...

You are nothing but a Radio Controlled car with the joystick in the hands of jews.

And being black, that car is mostly likely a cadillac. Because strong white men drive Volvos. Or chevy camaros.

We used to drive pick up trucks, but those fucking mexicans took that away from us when they took our jobs.

I've never had a hand up my ass in my life.


I hope...

The technical term is ass-holiness.

Hammurab is a great proponent of ass-holiness despite his denials.

I deny nothing except for the Holocaust.

What a load of shit that was. Big claims, zero evidence. What, I'm supposed to be impressed by witnesses, bodies, footage, photographs, survivors, confessions of perpetrators, more bodies, other witnesses, and the actual camps themselves?

Just one big scam so the Jews could get Israel.

I've never had a hand up my ass in my life.


I hope...

Not everybody's into it. I had a girl give me a little rim play with two fingers last time I was up in Beatty. An experienced girl, who times it right, can really shoot the moon with you, but its definitely one of those areas where you should go slow. You coon.

We strong white males, as a collective policy, have decided to de-emphasize our superior intellects as demonstrative of our racial right to hegemony. It turns out the Asians are smarter than us, so it doesn't really work to our advantage.

Quite so. Excessive use of the intellect also takes away from gym time. Some of those darkies resort to self-defence when you try to give them an incentive to go home.

And the Asians are the biggest problem, what with all that martial arts stuff. But they don't understand machinery as well as us strong white males, so firepower is the answer there.

This isn't just my view; I've heard several of my white brothers express precisely this mentality on that weather information website where I learned about Jews....I thinks its called stormsomething.com, I forget the actual address, I have it bookmarked, though.

Well, next time you're there you should click on Tools in Internet Explorer, then Internet Options and where it says "Home page" click on "Use Current."

Please don't destroy my faith in you by mentioning Firefox. Only some kind of Communist would use that. They give it away for free, that has to tell you something, huh?

Big claims, zero evidence. What, I'm supposed to be impressed by witnesses, bodies, footage, photographs, survivors, confessions of perpetrators, more bodies, other witnesses, and the actual camps themselves?

I can in no way top this statement.

I've never had a hand up my ass in my life.

What do you think the middle finger is for? God gave you one finger longer than the others so you could get it caught in the car-door?

Quite so. Excessive use of the intellect also takes away from gym time. Some of those darkies resort to self-defence when you try to give them an incentive to go home.

And the Asians are the biggest problem, what with all that martial arts stuff. But they don't understand machinery as well as us strong white males, so firepower is the answer there.

You, sir, now have some victory in christ.

What do you think the middle finger is for? God gave you one finger longer than the others so you could get it caught in the car-door?

That's the thumb.

And the middle finger is also used to flick up at Hammurab

Not everybody's into it. I had a girl give me a little rim play with two fingers last time I was up in Beatty. An experienced girl, who times it right, can really shoot the moon with you, but its definitely one of those areas where you should go slow. You coon.

I wub you too.

I deny nothing except for the Holocaust.

What a load of shit that was. Big claims, zero evidence. What, I'm supposed to be impressed by witnesses, bodies, footage, photographs, survivors, confessions of perpetrators, more bodies, other witnesses, and the actual camps themselves?

Just one big scam so the Jews could get Israel.

And slavery was good for Africans.

And slavery was good for Africans.


We learned the value of hard work.

3 grains of wheat a day.

And slavery was good for Africans.

It was; look at the average standard of living for an African, and the average standard living for a slave. Those people never had it so good.

I know what you're thinking, "Oh, what about the loss of self-determination, the grotesque violation of human autonomy inherent in slavery", blah blah blah. What a load of chocolately Jew butt-pee.

We learned the value of hard work.

3 grains of wheat a day.

What you say in sarcasm is true in reality.

Like Uncle Ruckus says, slavery is just lifetime employment under the supervision of good white people who will feed and care for you just like any other farm animal.

I wub you too.

He might like it if you wubbed him. Just don't wub him the wrong way.

He might like it if you wubbed him. Just don't wub him the wrong way.

*wubs Hammurab in the "wrong yet so right" way*

I wub you too.

Save your wub for your own wace.

Whites will win the wace war, we will wiberate our childwin from the wulership of Hebwews.

I'm sewious, negwo.

He might like it if you wubbed him. Just don't wub him the wrong way.

With a hide like that, I'm not sure which way IS the wrong way!
Wubbing with a belt sander would probably just arouse him more.

Save your wub for your own wace.

Whites will win the wace war, we will wiberate our childwin from the wulership of Hebwews.

I'm sewious, negwo.


Oh clearly.

Also, food for thought.

Food here (http://www.blackeducatedprofessionals.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ist2_996922_black_man_white_girl_united_colors.jpg)

Watching this thread go from a discussion of pants shitting that was somehow still relevant and mature, and by incremental change, turn into what it is now...

I'll tell you, if I didn't know evolution was Jewish science, this would make me believe in it...

Oh clearly.

Also, food for thought.

Food here (http://www.blackeducatedprofessionals.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ist2_996922_black_man_white_girl_united_colors.jpg)

All I'm getting his something about "hosted by", plus whatever virus your jew and asian friends wrote for you because you as a black man would probably program in FORTRAN by torchlight, but no actual image.

With a hide like that, I'm not sure which way IS the wrong way!
Wubbing with a belt sander would probably just arouse him more.

As an honest working white man, I am familiar with the use of power tools, thank you. Pepe Rodriguez explained them to me, he's my foreman at work.

Try it again

Seriously, going straight from the topic to the last page and scrolling down was so confusing on this one. I was expecting something about irresponsible parents. Instead I got rim jobs and wubbing. Thought I clicked on something wrong for a minute.

Seriously, going straight from the topic to the last page and scrolling down was so confusing on this one. I was expecting something about irresponsible parents. Instead I got rim jobs and wubbing. Thought I clicked on something wrong for a minute.

Been on the general boards long?

Been on the general boards long?

Too long. Apparently.

Oh please, I don't know a single person who actually knows the complete facts of that case who does not in the end admit that the judgment was a correct one.

And if by chance you actually link them to it, they don't bother to read it, simple as it is, and still quote the same WRONG "facts" with a comment like, "Well that's what you get for driving with a cuppa coffee between your legs".

Too long. Apparently.

Even in the short time I've been here I've seen my fair share of degeneration among the people here.

Try it again

That picture proves nothing other than a black man can balance a digital camera on his dick. Any monkey can be trained to do that.

As for the girl, you can tell she's not into it. She's probably getting ready to snowball him unawares, anyway.

Even in the short time I've been here I've seen my fair share of degeneration among the people here.

Hijacked threads happen. Perhaps it's due to fatigue, but the degeneration on this one just managed to make me chuckle. More so than usual.

That picture proves nothing other than a black man can balance a digital camera on his dick. Any monkey can be trained to do that.

As for the girl, you can tell she's not into it. She's probably getting ready to snowball him unawares, anyway.


Case in point, Malley.

Although that's not really thread hijacking.

Isn't this closer to rascist brainwashing, would you say?

Case in point, Malley.

Although that's not really thread hijacking.

Isn't this closer to rascist brainwashing, would you say?

I am not a rascist, I am a racist.

A rascist is somebody who believes that Reconfigurable Application Specific Computing users should be put into concentration camps.

The last thing you need to do with a baby is to teach it how to shit, little fuckers are pretty damn good at it all by themselves.

It's teaching them how and where and when NOT to shit that's the problem.

It's teaching them how and where and when NOT to shit that's the problem.

As usual, you make a specious argument both spawning from and returning to absurdity.

This is just like when we were in Vienna and you were trying to claim that moments of an instrument's silence in a symphony are just as meaningful, like the use of negative space in visual art.

I'd call you a Jew, but you'd probably just warn me for flaming.

Isn't that a kind of soup? :confused:

Very yummy with ham and carrots.

Very yummy with ham and carrots.

Ham. In Yentyl stew.

You know that episode of Boondocks where Ganstalicious the Rapper drops his gun, and Riley tells him "That is not gansta! That is VERY not gangsta!"

Well, you, Kat, are not mitzvah. You are VERY not mitzvah.

It's teaching them how and where and when NOT to shit that's the problem.


Welcome to the thread Kat.

Sit back and enjoy it, if you like.

This pretty much convinces me that you're having us on.

Actually....

Google them. They have them on a site called ShopInPrivate.com

Actually....

Google them. They have them on a site called ShopInPrivate.com

Finally, somebody that understands that I'm not some "satire", as if calling me a mythological horny sylvan prancer with the lower halves a goat, horns, a lyre, and +2 reaction from elves dismisses my arguments.

If you want to see somebody with small horns and coarse black body hair, just look at a Jew.

I don't think you're satire.

You're just inadvertently funny.

I don't think you're satire.

You're just inadvertently funny.

That's because you're black and the only way you can understand something is if a white teacher comes to your out-of-control school, and, although initially rejected, eventually touches your lives and shows you that there is another way, and then you can go to college.

That's because you're black and the only way you can understand something is if a white teacher comes to your out-of-control school, and, although initially rejected, eventually touches your lives and shows you that there is another way, and then you can go to college.

Stay away from daytime movies.

Stay away from daytime movies.

Tell me about it. I went to see White Chicks, you know, 'cause based on the title, my beliefs as a white nationalist should make it my kind of movie.

Anyway, 93 minutes later, my racism was still intact, but my sexuality is...

I don't want to talk about this anymore.

White Chicks isn't nearly as good as Stomp The Yard and Gridiron Gang.

And fried chicken and kool-aid.

…And fried chicken and kool-aid.

Because I am a man of a curious nature…
Where the hell does the "fried chicken" thing come from, anyway?

White Chicks isn't nearly as good as Stomp The Yard and Gridiron Gang.

And fried chicken and kool-aid.

Okay, you have convinced me that you are authentically black, something most self-respecting people would never admit to.

So, with your new credibility, I just have to ask....why the fuck is Katt Williams popular? Seriously, I try to hate all mud people equally, but at least Richard Pryor or early Eddie Murphy are entertaining. Fuck's sake, even Gregory Hines can do great comedy, and still turn in a poignant dramatic effort when properly directed.

But Katt Williams? Look, we got rid of Joe Piscapo (he might've been a Jew, I dunno, but the point is we took out our own trash).

Really, I can't just change the channel, he's everywhere now, even on Comedy Central roasts.

We gave you the vote, public schools, and Tuskegee quality healthcare. You owe us at least one, so get ride of the little pimp.

Because I am a man of a curious nature…
Where the hell does the "fried chicken" thing come from, anyway?

Dude, did you see over in Moderation, Nobel Hobos is leaping to your defense?

Evidently, I've "tagged" you.

Guess all you Jew lovers stick together.

i think hummarad is just a nazi
A funny one
but still a nazi

Because I am a man of a curious nature…
Where the hell does the "fried chicken" thing come from, anyway?

Either the fact that black people are stereotypically southern rednecks, and the connection to Kentucky Fried chicken, or the fact that it's prepared very often in New Orleans, black capital of the US. Not sure.

Dude, did you see over in Moderation, Nobel Hobos is leaping to your defense?

My defense? Good sir, I assure you that I have approved of no defense, from hobos of aristocratic background or otherwise!

Guess all you Jew lovers stick together.

Well, yes. Our skin secretes this resin, you see…

i think hummarad is just a nazi
A funny one
but still a nazi

You were the one that wrote that it would be better to give starving Africans free bibles that they can't even read than to give them clean water.

Which is true, of course, but you were the one who said it.

But, you have some respect from me, since you pointed out in another thread that people should stay in their own countries.

Okay, you have convinced me that you are authentically black, something most self-respecting people would never admit to.

So, with your new credibility, I just have to ask....why the fuck is Katt Williams popular? Seriously, I try to hate all mud people equally, but at least Richard Pryor or early Eddie Murphy are entertaining. Fuck's sake, even Gregory Hines can do great comedy, and still turn in a poignant dramatic effort when properly directed.

But Katt Williams? Look, we got rid of Joe Piscapo (he might've been a Jew, I dunno, but the point is we took out our own trash).

Really, I can't just change the channel, he's everywhere now, even on Comedy Central roasts.

We gave you the vote, public schools, and Tuskegee quality healthcare. You owe us at least one, so get ride of the little pimp.

Actually I'm not a big Katt Williams fan myself. All his material is recycled.

So i'm sorry, but I can't answer that for you.

*snaps fingers* Darn

Either the fact that black people are stereotypically southern rednecks, and the connection to Kentucky Fried chicken, or the fact that it's prepared very often in New Orleans, black capital of the US. Not sure.

Probably just one of those things.

Actually I'm not a big Katt Williams fan myself. All his material is recycled.

So i'm sorry, but I can't answer that for you.

*snaps fingers* Darn

Great, one more useless JohnnyCashRabbit.

Do you find that insulting? I'm trying it out as a new slur, kind of like junglebunny, 'cause, you know, Johnny Cash always wore black, and all.

So, I'm trying stuff out over on a white supremacist discussion board, but I'm a new user, so my posts have to be approved by a mod before they're printed...

Its a fine line to walk, because here, the sharp ones have my Swift homage zeroed within a post, quite a few see it within two or three, and the truly obtuse just never get it.

I love trying it over there, but I can't figure out where their Mod falls on the spectrum, you know?

Probably just one of those things.

Yeah I really have no idea. I like fried chicken, but kool-aid tastes like ass.

Great, one more useless JohnnyCashRabbit.

Do you find that insulting? I'm trying it out as a new slur, kind of like junglebunny, 'cause, you know, Johnny Cash always wore black, and all.

So, I'm trying stuff out over on a white supremacist discussion board, but I'm a new user, so my posts have to be approved by a mod before they're printed...

Its a fine line to walk, because here, the sharp ones have my Swift homage zeroed within a post, quite a few see it within two or three, and the truly obtuse just never get it.

I love trying it over there, but I can't figure out where their Mod falls on the spectrum, you know?


What is this board.

Url please

and no it's not that insulting

To convoluted, you know? The connections made take the insult out of it

Its a fine line to walk, because here, the sharp ones have my Swift homage zeroed within a post, quite a few see it within two or three, and the truly obtuse just never get it.

You'll be recommending Resqwandi eat his children next.

What is this board.

Url please

and no it's not that insulting

To convoluted, you know? The connections made take the insult out of it

See, if I tell you, how do I know you won't out me as a Supplicant of the Order of Huxley?

See, if I tell you, how do I know you won't out me as a Supplicant of the Order of Huxley?

Your main bet to this would be that I have no idea what that is.

You'll be recommending Resqwandi eat his children next.

With a side of watermelon, no less.

I'm not saying black people should eat their children, I'm saying they should upholster their early model Lincoln Town Cars with their skin, and sell their organs to buy $5,500 rims to put on an $1800 car.

Your main bet to this would be that I have no idea what that is.

They've had a lot of names, and no real structure...they go back to ancient Egypt or before.

I like to think that when the first words were uttered, one of us was there to reply, but the refinement, subtly, and complexity of language that form our tools probably took some time to develop.

I shouldn't even say "us", because I'm on the verge of being rejected. My gifts are meager at best, and I've been given 4 years to improve and sharpen them before a final decision is made.

The internet is just the same old battleground, but moves with such alacrity and agility that it is the perfect place for me to practice. I've failed at everything I've tried to be good at, I don't want to fail at this.

So, sorry, I can't risk it, although I imagine you'll likely deduce the answer deftly if you just keep an eye out.

With a side of watermelon, no less.

I'm not saying black people should eat their children, I'm saying they should upholster their early model Lincoln Town Cars with their skin, and sell their organs to buy $5,500 rims to put on an $1800 car.

Look at it this way: what do you get when you at $5,500 rims to a $1,800 car? A $7,300 car. A vastly improved value, without the sentimental business of replacing a car upholstered in your child's skin.

My gifts are meager at best, and I've been given 4 years to improve and sharpen them before a final decision is made.

Something to do with the Olympics? An American Presidential election?

They've had a lot of names, and no real structure...they go back to ancient Egypt or before.

I like to think that when the first words were uttered, one of us was there to reply, but the refinement, subtly, and complexity of language that form our tools probably took some time to develop.

I shouldn't even say "us", because I'm on the verge of being rejected. My gifts are meager at best, and I've been given 4 years to improve and sharpen them before a final decision is made.

The internet is just the same old battleground, but moves with such alacrity and agility that it is the perfect place for me to practice. I've failed at everything I've tried to be good at, I don't want to fail at this.

So, sorry, I can't risk it, although I imagine you'll likely deduce the answer deftly if you just keep an eye out.

Nope. Not the best thinker at 5:36.

Anyway, sorry your life has been an epic phailure, except for this instance.