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I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Male.

1. Wear revealing clothing.
2. Not wear revealing clothing.

Be large and look a little scary. Know karate.

That pretty much sums it up.

I'm male.

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

1. Prevent it? I'm trying to GET sexually assaulted! :p:D
2. Mostly, I'm just aware of my surroundings and try to avoid anyone who looks like trouble.

Smart-alek male, in case you couldn't guess. :)

Male.

1) I guess I could just fart or maybe talk about star wars but seriously if things got awkward I would leave then and leading to blocking occurring in which case I push him/her out the way and get arrested for rape

2) don't go to dodgy clubs, able to run really really fast, able to talk someone into submission, always have the Mrs to protect me :p

1. Prevent it? I'm trying to GET sexually assaulted! :p:D

I never knew you was into having sex in shady vans with uber creepy old men

Ugh I'm so tired of jolt timeouts....fuck you NSG!


Female:

1)

never walk alone at night
never get too drunk at clubs/bars
make sure when I'm out, that someone expects me back at a certain time
make sure I have a friend close by if I'm meeting a new hook-up
never leave my drink unattended
never go to parties with people I don't know without 'backup' (friends)
maybe it's bad...but I watch what I wear if I'm going somewhere unfamiliar
always make sure I have enough money to get home on my own


2)

walk on the inside of the street
keep my purse between me and buildings
don't wear shoes I can't run in
don't walk alone at night
pay attention to my surroundings
never unlock the car until I'm right there, and then lock it as soon as I'm inside
walk confidently


What's sad is that pretty much any time I go out, I need to take #1 and #2 into consideration and plan accordingly. And it's been that way as long as I can remember.

I don't really do anything to prevent assaults. I do however stay armed and capable of responding with whatever level of force is appropriate.

Edit: For those who don't know, or can't figure it out: Male.

Male.

1. Nothing.
2. Nothing.

When it's my time, it's my time.

pay attention to my surroundings

and then get some creep/chav thinking your looking at them? :p

walk on the inside of the street

even when its crowded :eek:

What's sad is that pretty much any time I go out, I need to take #1 and #2 into consideration and plan accordingly. And it's been that way as long as I can remember.

being a guy is awesome *is forced to walk you home in the freezing arse cold*

I do however stay armed

you must have some trouble getting into clubs no?

i avoid times and places that seem most likely to be troublesome.

easy for me since im old and dont go to bars or stay out late to be around those who have consumed too much mind altering stuff.

its hard to avoid those who are truly out to hurt someone. you dont know when they may have decided to target you for their bad deeds. those people are rare so i dont worry much about them other than to try be aware of those around me. but if they do target you, you probably escape harm by luck rather than by good planning.

so i try to protect myself from those who are doing harm on the spur of the moment. i always say "hi" to the gangy-looking teenaged boys. i dont hang out with drug users and i avoid those places where drug deals take place--not far from me on the river. i avoid the unofficial marijuana farms that are planted near the river. i mind my own business.

i actually think that my biggest danger is living in a place that is fairly isolated and thus might be attractive to the kind of person who likes to rob a house and kill the people in it.

Female.

I guess I've been fairly lucky. Over the course of my life I've indulged in some pretty high risk behavior - walking alone at night (sometimes in questionable areas), leaving my car unlocked (usually inadvertantly), living alone (by preference). In my entire 61 years no one has threatened me and I have no idea why.

My daughter, who is less than 5'3" and 110 lbs, has had the same experience.

We don't carry guns or knives. I do know judo and both my daughter and I have some proficiency in dirty fighting. We also can run fast.

Maybe it's because I walk like I really don't give a damn and my daughter walks like the world better damn well get out of her way.

[snip]


you must have some trouble getting into clubs no?

I don't go to clubs, and anyway, I never said I was visibly armed now did I?;)

I don't go to clubs, and anyway, I never said I was visibly armed now did I?;)

so that isn't an elephant gun down your pants ;)

1) I consent. :)

2) My best friend is 6'4" 235lbs and built the way russians build tanks. My wife is a police officer. I'm a human wrecking ball. I think I got it covered. :)

so that isn't an elephant gun down your pants ;)

Part elephant, but no, not a gun.:p

Im 6-4 270 lbs i dont have to do anything to prevent being attacked. There are simply easier targets out there to bother with then me. I dont even lock my car or my house ever. Im selling my house, that ive owned for 15 years now and i had to change the locks cause i didnt even know where the keys were.

1. I carry Bear Mace on me at all times.
2. See above answer.

I am male, male-identified.

1) I don't do nearly enough to protect myself from sexual assault. I have never been sexually assaulted, but I did put myself at risk. If I were smarter, I would do the following:

not go out with people I have just met alone
meet the friends of those I plan on dating
GTFO when people are sexually open but not as open about normal human behavior


2) I do make sure to protect myself from other assaults, because my city is no longer a place you can safely walk at night. Therefore, I:

walk with others
walk in places with lots of street lights
walk in places that are not secluded
carry a combat knife; I practice martial arts, specifically foil fencing
walk confidently without strutting my stuff
behave courteously toward others, especially suspicious looking people; I always greet people


If you are wondering, I live in a small town, where things work differently. You would not do what I do in New York City.

Male.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?

Hm. Ive never been worried about this myself... I suppose exactly what Id do for the one below.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Look scary. Carry a butterfly knife.

1. I carry Bear Mace on me at all times.
2. See above answer.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeo-2s3dZZ0

1) I consent. :)

2) My best friend is 6'4" 235lbs and built the way russians build tanks. My wife is a police officer. I'm a human wrecking ball. I think I got it covered. :)

so did you ever finish that last will and testament?

Part elephant, but no, not a gun.:p

what we are all thinking (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aMH4FwOBhNQ&feature=related)

Male

1. I don't worry about it.
2. I'm like 6' 1" and 240 lbs. I'm fat, but I got good upper body strength. Depending on where I am, I carry a Knife. But In rural MN everybody carries a knife.

so did you ever finish that last will and testament?



what we are all thinking (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aMH4FwOBhNQ&feature=related)

Damn, I thought I destroyed all copies of that.:cool:

so did you ever finish that last will and testament?


Funny you should ask...

Male

1. Consent (more seriously, not go places alone)

2. I'm only 5'11" and 150, but I look like the kind of guy who regularly murders people because of my hair and facial structure. I dress to fit the image as well: loose pants, worn hoodie unzipped, and a black or red shirt. I've been told by a number of people that I look like they expect the Antichrist to, sometimes as an insult, other times completely honestly. I guess it's the fear of suddenly erupting into flames that keeps people away.

Male.

I don't really do anything about either.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeo-2s3dZZ0

Lol yeah that's what I was referring to, I'm glad somebody caught it.

Lol yeah that's what I was referring to, I'm glad somebody caught it.

You will notice the more time you spend here that I am an advid South Park fan and anytime South Park is applicable to a discussion, I will post a video link.


Glad I could be of service *bows*

My favorite ending to a South Park episode is the one where they try to send the whale to the moon. :D (I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet)

I'm 5'10" (legally 5'11" in my shoes) and 140 pounds... I'm not tall tall, but I'm big enough that I've never really had to worry about such things.

Also, the way I dress helps. Typical attire is a green beanie cap (knitted by my grandma decades ago), a loose shirt, and very worn, faded blue jeans (complete with knee holes). I also have a cold expression on my face most of the time.

Oh, and I carry a switchblade. You know, just in case.

This is what i do currently:

A concealed carry license, springfield armory M1911 fullsize operator edition under the beltline, boot knife, and knife on the belt in a pouch.

Plus you just have to look intimidating so they fuck off.

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

1) I'm a male so it honestly isn't something I even take into consideration. I mean, every now and then, I look at a shirt before going to the bars and think to myself, "That is way too revealing, people are gonna be all up in my goodies," so I pick a different shirt *nod*.;)

2) This isn't something I consciously make decisions about and I won't take exceptionally long routes just to avoid areas that are "dangerous". Generally, though, I guess I really don't wear clothes that make it look like I'm worth the time to mug, nor do I have cash on me so if I were to be mugged I wouldn't really have any reason not to comply. I have been threatened with force before but I've been lucky enough to use nonsensical banter to get out of it. I'm not a big guy, I'm 5'4" or so and, while not scrawny, I'm by no means physically intimidating (not like the guys my height who lift hardcore and are as wide as they are tall) so I've got to be sneaky in my ploys. Though, when it comes down to it, I suppose I can handle myself in a fight decently enough and I suppose that self-confidence helps with staying out of situations.

Prevent, or stop in the middle of?

If prevention, I try to not wear anything suggestivee when I (Rarely) do go outside. As for Physically assualted, I try not to speak to anyone I either don't know, or know dosen't like me, and once again, I try not to go outside :p. I'm male Btw.

Male

Wear a lot of black leather and try to look tough whenever I'm in an area that looks like there are muggers, thugs, etc.

Also carry a switch-blade.

I'm male, 6'+ & obese.

I do nothing much to prevent either, but politely decline if i'm propositioned, (Why do i only get ugly hookers asking me if i want to come with them? OK, i'm obese, but i'm not bad looking.) and talk my way out of being mugged/attacked (worked on two out of three occasions so far, and that first time i just stood my 6' tall untill they went away (I was 15 at the time & attacked by 3 or 4 18-20yo)).

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?
You're supposed to do something to prevent being assaulted?
Where I live you have a really, really good chance of not being assaulted. So I take my chances.

A concealed carry license, springfield armory M1911 fullsize operator edition under the beltline, boot knife, and knife on the belt in a pouch.

...why? :eek:

Wear a lot of black leather and try to look tough whenever I'm in an area that looks like there are muggers, thugs, etc.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UrCdvdgexvY

Where I live you have a really, really good chance of not being assaulted. So I take my chances.

this is what I'm wondering myself, hell I hardly live in the nicest town but bad things never seem to happen

Male

1. I stay away from gay bars and homo- or bisexual men that seem violent.

2. I'm just polite by nature, but I try not to piss off people capable of attacking me. I don't live in or frequent an urban area, so I have little fear of being mugged. I don't have much in the way of things that people would want to rob me of, either. I do have knives and a pitchfork to defend my home if necessary.

you must have some trouble getting into clubs no?

Gotta love Texas concealed carry laws in that respect...

Other than that, get seated in a corner @ restaurants etc., know judo,Tang Su Do

...why? :eek:


Why the hell not?
I've had enough near death experiences that had to do with a gun to the head, or a knife to the throat to fuckin' not to, my life has been surrounded by violence since a young age.

I'm not afraid of the world as some may claim, I have no fears whatsoever, i've been everywhere and seen everything, I just like to stay safe.

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Female

1) What do I do to prevent myself from being sexually assaulted?
- I´m going to be very honest here. I don´t think I do anything either on a daily basis or overall to prevent being sexually assaulted. Shame on me, really, because that could happen to one at any moment and for any reason. I was harassed by one of my mom´s friends one time, and I freaked out. But that was it. After that, I took more care when meeting assorted people.

2)What do I do to prevent myself from being physically assaulted?
- I´m always very low key and try to not argue with people I don´t know. The wrong word can spark furies and I don´t want to be punched in the nose if I can help it. Of course, if I feel I´ve been wronged, I do explode and make it known. Other than that, I don´t think I do much.

Female.

To guard against physical assault:

- Walk confidently.
- Make eye contact.
- Never assume I am alone.
- Be aware of my surroundings at all times.
- Take note of escape routes -- exits from a building, ways out of a street, open businesses, etc, etc.
- Do not enter dark, isolated areas and/or areas with lots of hiding places alone, ever. In fact, I avoid them altogether as much as possible, even in a group. This includes parks at night, tunnel passageways, long enclosed walkways between buildings, parking facilities, and other "mugatoriums," as I call them.
- Listen to my gut. If I get a hinky vibe off someone, I won't get onto an elevator or an empty train car with them, for instance.
- I don't protect my purse. I usually carry it in such a way that it would be easy for a robber to grab or for me to drop and run, because I'd rather lose the stuff than get into a fight.
- Related to that, I don't carry my keys, ID, money and cards together in my purse, so I don't have to worry about being stranded or followed home.
- Have my keys in hand before I get up to my front door, so I don't have to stand there, getting them out of a pocket. Don't waste time fiddling with locks, make sure they work right so I can open, get in, and close again fast.
- Never open the door to an unexpected stranger.
- Be aware of points of entry and escape in the house, too, and make sure what needs locking is locked and what I need to get through in a hurry is clear.

To protect against sexual assault in particular, see all of the above, plus:

- Drink in moderation; do not lose self-control or situational awareness.
- Drink only in familiar clubs/bars. If in a strange place, make sure you see that drink being poured and that it is always in your hand. If you leave it unattended, order a new one.
- Always have cab money, a phone, and the numbers of area cab companies.
- Do not go anywhere alone with a man you do not want to have sex with.

I have also been extremely lucky. I have been in a few tight situations with muggers, lunatics, gropers and one would-be rapist (that I know of for certain). I have come out safe and sound on all occasions. It turns out that I am not a panicker, and I tend to react to threats by counter-confrontation, and I think that put off the ones who came after me. But I still say I was just lucky, and that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Also carry a switch-blade.

Are you in the US? Because if so I advise getting another knife. Because what makes a switch blade a bad idea is just owning one is a felony, so using one, even in self defense, will get you in a crap load of trouble.

You're supposed to do something to prevent being assaulted?
Where I live you have a really, really good chance of not being assaulted. So I take my chances.
Ya think? *remembers "Deliverance"*

I live the metro Boston area where violent crime is merrily on the rise. And I grew up in New York City and started going out and then working in the 1980s -- aka "the bad old days" -- when you had a really, really good chance of being murdered on the way to work every day.

Oh, and I lived for six years in gorgeous mostly rural Vermont, where any idyllic, seemingly empty, forest paradise could be full of meth labs with armed guards fresh back from prison.

1. I stay away from gay bars

why? its like the safest place on Earth

Other than that, get seated in a corner @ restaurants etc

confess! you just like those padded seats

I just like to stay safe.

do you live in Basra? because even there you need to be over 30 to carry an rifle and two magazines :p

I´m going to be very honest here. I don´t think I do anything either on a daily basis or overall to prevent being sexually assaulted.

apart from not posting say your location or any images of you with which internet folk could track you down :p

I do explode and make it known.

:eek:

do you live in Basra? because even there you need to be over 30 to carry an rifle and two magazines :p
:eek:

No, And who said i was carrying a rifle?
I have a concealed carry license, I carry a handgun, 1 magazine in and 2 in pouches.

apart from not posting say your location or any images of you with which internet folk could track you down :p



:eek:

:p

Male

1) In the past, I didn't do much to prevent this, so I've been really lucky. (I suppose consenting helped.) Currently, I don't go out much because I'm not really in the market, but if I was to go out in the future, I would avoid going somewhere alone with someone I didn't want to have sex with, and if there was someone I wanted to have sex with I'd make sure to meet them in public first.

2) I'm fairly nonconfrontational, but I'm told I can look pretty intimidating when I want to. I'm not huge, but I'm on the higher side of average height, and I have some muscle mass, so I haven't had to worry about this much, fortunately. I've been lucky in this respect also, because I've walked through bad neighborhoods late at night.

Male.

1. Stay on campus at night. Have campus security in my phonebook.
2. Same as above.

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.
1) Male, so mild cases of sexual assault are a good thing.
2) 6'2, 200lb. For Fass, thats 190cm, 90kg.

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?

Female - and I don't really do anything,. Potentially dangerous situations hardly ever come up.

The sexual assault fear only comes up when walking alone at night with potentially shady guys hanging out on the street, which doesn't really happen all that often. I usually simply make sure to walk as non-daintily as possible and try to project an air of self-confidence, i.e. "not an easy victim".

Stay on campus at night.

aren't colleges rather anti-fun?

2) 6'2, 200lb. For Fass, thats 190cm, 90kg.

14 stone :eek:

I'm a skinny git so I can (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xnViirzD0VE)

1. Nowadays, I mostly never trust anyone (especially, and admittedly unfairly, anyone male) farther than I can throw them. I'm trying to put an end to that particular strategy, though, because even if it does keep bad experiences from being repeated, it's no way to live.

Beyond that, when I'm in any neighborhood I consider iffy, I make a point of trying to look as if I know exactly where I'm going. I keep my cell phone close to hand, make sure my very long hair is tucked under something so it's not an easy handhold, and attempt to conceal my general tininess and inability to plausibly defend myself behind an attitude of general "Touch me and DIE"-ness. I never drink alone in public, I almost always wear quite conservative and frequently boyish outfits, and I generally don't try to look attractive to strangers (and not infrequently do try to look unattractive).

It also helps that, despite being compulsively honest, I am a pretty talented liar when I need to be, and can tell creepy guys all about my extremely jealous linebacker boyfriend with anger management issues who knows where I am and is waiting for me to go meet him RIGHT NOW, and be believed. I've had to do this several times, and I'm thankful for my acting ability every time.

2. Mostly the same things as above, with the addition of looking very much like I'm not nearly wealthy enough to have anything worth stealing, largely because I'm not nearly wealthy enough to have anything worth stealing.


I find it rather unsurprising but still sad that, while the male posters almost all took part 1 as a joke or said, "I dunno, nothing in particular," the female posters have almost all had detailed answers... :(

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Good question, actually. To be perfectly honest, I've rarely ever felt the need to do anything to prevent being attacked.
I guess mostly I would be avoiding situations that might result in me getting attacked.
Other than that, I find that actually turning round and shouting at the would-be attacker can work just nicely ("Don't get afraid, get angry")...

I'll answer these out of order:
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?
--Well, I've been a martial artist for about 7-8 years, and not in a sport style. Now, that doesn't mean I'm an excellent fighter or anything, but I can take care of myself against your common thug. I have, once or twice, used the completely impractical jump spinning kicks as a "don't fuck with me" thing. It worked, the guy backed off.
--At night, I avoid, when possible, walking alone through shady, unlit areas, and areas I do not know.
--Whenever walking somewhere (especially at night), walk confidently, as if I pretty much own the area.
-- Most importantly, I keep my wits about me and try at all times to be aware of my surroundings.
and:
What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
Well, in addition to the above, I use the fact that I am physically unattractive. (As those who recall the last "Post your picture" thread may recall.:D)

EDIT: Oh, and I'm male.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Two answer your second question first, when I am on duty, no one is going to get their butts arrested by messing with me fully armed and ready for bear. Off-duty, I carry a large knife on my waist and my off-duty weapon on my back or in my boot.

As to your first question, I just do this. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU) It works every time.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
Well, in addition to the above, I use the fact that I am physically unattractive. (As those who recall the last "Post your picture" thread may recall.:D)

EDIT: Oh, and I'm male.

sexual assault isnt about going for an attractive but unavailable lover. being ugly (no i didnt see your picture) is not a defense.

1. Being male, being sexually assaulted isn't a serious concern for me. A good punch in the teeth is usually enough.

2. Working out a lot, having basic karate skills, and not hitting on someone's girlfriend in a bad club help.

1) Know how to fight.

2) Keep aware of what is going on around me.

3) Keep calm when the situation looks bad.

sexual assault isnt about going for an attractive but unavailable lover. being ugly (no i didnt see your picture) is not a defense.

Yes, I was not being entirely serious. I probably should have done more to make that clearer. :)

As to your first question, I just do this. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU) It works every time.Well, I can see how that works on the first, but doesn't it increase the risk of the second? :p

Well, I can see how that works on the first, but doesn't it increase the risk of the second? :p

That's what the nightstick is for. :p

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Female
1. I avoid being alone in dark more-likely-to-get-raped places.
2. Nothing really, I don't provoke people, if there are drunk or aggressive people around then I'm careful to avoid then.

I´m going to hire Galloism as my bodyguard in order to prevent anyone from sexually and physically assaulting me.:p

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?



Male. I do absolutely nothing.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


1. I don't have to worry about that, what with being a man.

2. I conform to heteronormative notions of how a man is to behave if I am in such a place as to know I cannot be myself.

If you mean if I have some sort of self-defence gadget or a knife or a gun, of course not. I'm not an idiot.

I´m going to hire Galloism as my bodyguard in order to prevent anyone from sexually and physically assaulting me.:p

But who will protect you from me? :eek:

Female.

1.
Keep my drink with me at all times when I'm in a club/bar.
Make sure my mates know where I am, who I'm with etc.
Keep my phone on, and in easy reach.

2. Walk confidently and quickly.
Let someone know what time to expect me home.
Keep to the main roads in areas I don't know well.
In areas I do know well, I'm happy to take the back roads, because it's harder to follow me. I unknowingly walked past young offenders housing a few weeks ago, and found about 5 of them following me. So I took the back way, and employed my final strategy:
Run like fuck.

But who will protect you from me? :eek:

:eek:
Ah drat! I haven´t thought much about that aspect.

I´ll get me a taser gun if you get frisky.:p

No, seriously. Now that I come to think about it, I need to be more aware of these things. I could be sexually or physically attacked at any given moment. I´m not prepared at all.

No, seriously. Now that I come to think about it, I need to be more aware of these things. I could be sexually or physically attacked at any given moment. I´m not prepared at all.

Solar Plexus, Instep, Nose, Groin. That's all you need to know.

Solar Plexus, Instep, Nose, Groin. That's all you need to know.

Thanks!:)

Solar Plexus, Instep, Nose, Groin. That's all you need to know.

I'd add a few to that list. Throat, temple, little fingers, floating ribs and knees come to mind. All very useful with only a few minutes training.

Nothing really. I suppose the staying with friends when I go out helps, but it's not planned.


Oh, and I appear to have man parts. *checks* Yep, man parts.

I'd add a few to that list. Throat, temple, little fingers, floating ribs and knees come to mind. All very useful with only a few minutes training.

True, but are you trying to get away or vindictively making the guy suffer? Only a few things are needed for the former, many for the latter.

I'd add a few to that list. Throat, temple, little fingers, floating ribs and knees come to mind. All very useful with only a few minutes training.

I was actually considering taking training. You know, a girl needs to defend herself.

True, but are you trying to get away or vindictively making the guy suffer? Only a few things are needed for the former, many for the latter.

In self defense every part of the attacker is fair game and a decently judged kick to the knee is often far more effective at stopping him from chasing you than most.

In self defense every part of the attacker is fair game and a decently judged kick to the knee is often far more effective at stopping him from chasing you than most.

For most women though, who do not actively strength train and are not martial artists, the solar plexus, throat, and groin are easy shots that don't move as quickly or easily as a leg, but are just as effective.

I was actually considering taking training. You know, a girl needs to defend herself.

Do it. If you find a decent club then it's a lot of fun, there is a good social side, you get fit and you learn some good self defence.

Do it. If you find a decent club then it's a lot of fun, there is a good social side, you get fit and you learn some good self defence.

Yeah, that´s a good idea. I´ll check locally where can I do it.

For most women though, who do not actively strength train and are not martial artists, the solar plexus, throat, and groin are easy shots that don't move as quickly or easily as a leg, but are just as effective.

You're totally right but knowing a few alternatives doesn't hurt either.

Male. I do absolutely nothing.

This. I know basic martial arts, but if it comes to any sort of confrontation, I walk a little faster and refuse to react. Even if you punch me in the face. Life is too short to get into fights over stupid things.

Ugh I'm so tired of jolt timeouts....fuck you NSG!


Female:

1)

never walk alone at night
never get too drunk at clubs/bars
make sure when I'm out, that someone expects me back at a certain time
make sure I have a friend close by if I'm meeting a new hook-up
never leave my drink unattended
never go to parties with people I don't know without 'backup' (friends)
maybe it's bad...but I watch what I wear if I'm going somewhere unfamiliar
always make sure I have enough money to get home on my own


2)

walk on the inside of the street
keep my purse between me and buildings
don't wear shoes I can't run in
don't walk alone at night
pay attention to my surroundings
never unlock the car until I'm right there, and then lock it as soon as I'm inside
walk confidently


What's sad is that pretty much any time I go out, I need to take #1 and #2 into consideration and plan accordingly. And it's been that way as long as I can remember.

Same here. But I'm a man lol

Never really worried about either. The bit where I'm six two, look like a scarecrow, mutter to myself, and walk around in below freezing weather with my entire defense against the cold being an extremely light, unzipped sweater with the sleeves rolled up probably helps.

I'm a guy. And I can't say I really worry about either. I take the obvious precautions but it doesn't play on my mind enough to the extent that I would even contemplate carrying a knife.

I'm not particularly big and I don't know any kind of martial arts or whatever. I'm not convinced that either are as much help as some of the posters here seem to think.

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Female

1. There is nothing I can do.
2. There is nothing I can do.

I tend to go places with my big tall intimidating husband though, so probably he would save me if things got out of hand so... I also carry a weapon in case he isn't around. I'm pretty sure it won't do much but piss off my attacker.... but it might help, maybe.

Female

The same in both cases:

Don't carry a handbag.
Wear trousers and good boots.
Cover up.
Appear confident with a good stride.
Have fairly loud mobile phone conversations with imaginary people informing them I'm just around the corner.
Meet the eye of any dodgy people.
Never let my alertness waver - daydreaming is not your friend.

I've been followed, I've been mugged, but chased my assailant and recovered my briefcase (yay for good boots) and had somebody attempt to rape me (yay for good boots and jeans that don't come off while the boots are on).

I think most of the people who do these things are opportunists - the more difficult its going to be for them, the less likely they are to try it, and the more chance you have to get away before they are successful.

Edit: My bf has given me a knife to carry, but I don't take it out. I'm small and not particularly dexterous - the knife is more likely to end up aiding the attacker than aiding me.

Male.

1. Being a guy.
2. 12-Gauge.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?



I'm male, middle aged. I think I've been sexually assaulted about twice in my entire life, and both times it was no big deal.


What do I do to prevent sexual assault? Nothing, beyond what I do to avoid physical assault. When I was younger and (...er...) more molestable, I dressed like a tramp and had bad hygiene, though I'm not sure if that really was a defence strategy or just laziness.
What do I do to prevent physical assault? I avoid being out on the street on a friday or saturday night. I carry a mobile phone. I keep myself fairly fit (so I can run, more than in any expectation I could fight.) I avoid eye contact with people whose body language is physically aggressive. In a situation where someone is getting aggressive, I keep a firm grip over my own behaviour (yes I get the adrenalin, but don't let the brainstem respond to it). When I was living in a more dangerous area, I used to carry a knife (it was legal then) but I never had to draw it.


I seem to be quite good at defusing or breaking up fights and getting people talking instead of throwing punches. Which is good, because I really really don't like physical violence, whether I'm involved or not.

For both situations:

12 years Tae Kwon Do
4 years Jujitsu
Off and on practice with an uncle whose tour of service involved places that aren't supposed to be talked about.

Also:

Clubbing: I'm friends with a bunch of bouncers (taught a few a couple of things), and I'm a 6'4" guy that often sports a King Leonidas from Frank Miller's 300 beard. But I'm courteous. Very, very courteous.

Non-clubbing/non-frisking: gun, concealed carry permit.

For both situations:

12 years Tae Kwon Do
4 years Jujitsu
Off and on practice with an uncle whose tour of service involved places that aren't supposed to be talked about.

Fight Club?

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Female.

1. I try to be confident when I walk. I never go home with any one when I'm out. I always keep my drink on me. I try to never get absolutely drunk when I'm out.
2. I try to be aware of my surroundings. I move away from fights.

But none of these are really going to stop it happening.

Ugh I'm so tired of jolt timeouts....fuck you NSG!


Female:

1)

never walk alone at night
never get too drunk at clubs/bars
make sure when I'm out, that someone expects me back at a certain time
make sure I have a friend close by if I'm meeting a new hook-up
never leave my drink unattended
never go to parties with people I don't know without 'backup' (friends)
maybe it's bad...but I watch what I wear if I'm going somewhere unfamiliar
always make sure I have enough money to get home on my own


2)

walk on the inside of the street
keep my purse between me and buildings
don't wear shoes I can't run in
don't walk alone at night
pay attention to my surroundings
never unlock the car until I'm right there, and then lock it as soon as I'm inside
walk confidently



What's sad is that pretty much any time I go out, I need to take #1 and #2 into consideration and plan accordingly. And it's been that way as long as I can remember.

I try to do most of those, minus the purse thing. I always have my hand completely wrapped around my bag, but the times I've been in situations have had very little to do with my purse.

I'm 5'10" (legally 5'11" in my shoes) and 140 pounds... I'm not tall tall, but I'm big enough that I've never really had to worry about such things.

Also, the way I dress helps. Typical attire is a green beanie cap (knitted by my grandma decades ago), a loose shirt, and very worn, faded blue jeans (complete with knee holes). I also have a cold expression on my face most of the time.

Oh, and I carry a switchblade. You know, just in case.

The way you dress doesn't mean anything.

1) I'm a male so it honestly isn't something I even take into consideration.

Physical and sexual assault isn't limited to females.

Female.

To guard against physical assault:

- Walk confidently.
- Make eye contact.
- Never assume I am alone.
- Be aware of my surroundings at all times.
- Take note of escape routes -- exits from a building, ways out of a street, open businesses, etc, etc.
- Do not enter dark, isolated areas and/or areas with lots of hiding places alone, ever. In fact, I avoid them altogether as much as possible, even in a group. This includes parks at night, tunnel passageways, long enclosed walkways between buildings, parking facilities, and other "mugatoriums," as I call them.
- Listen to my gut. If I get a hinky vibe off someone, I won't get onto an elevator or an empty train car with them, for instance.
- I don't protect my purse. I usually carry it in such a way that it would be easy for a robber to grab or for me to drop and run, because I'd rather lose the stuff than get into a fight.
- Related to that, I don't carry my keys, ID, money and cards together in my purse, so I don't have to worry about being stranded or followed home.
- Have my keys in hand before I get up to my front door, so I don't have to stand there, getting them out of a pocket. Don't waste time fiddling with locks, make sure they work right so I can open, get in, and close again fast.
- Never open the door to an unexpected stranger.
- Be aware of points of entry and escape in the house, too, and make sure what needs locking is locked and what I need to get through in a hurry is clear.

To protect against sexual assault in particular, see all of the above, plus:

- Drink in moderation; do not lose self-control or situational awareness.
- Drink only in familiar clubs/bars. If in a strange place, make sure you see that drink being poured and that it is always in your hand. If you leave it unattended, order a new one.
- Always have cab money, a phone, and the numbers of area cab companies.
- Do not go anywhere alone with a man you do not want to have sex with.

I have also been extremely lucky. I have been in a few tight situations with muggers, lunatics, gropers and one would-be rapist (that I know of for certain). I have come out safe and sound on all occasions. It turns out that I am not a panicker, and I tend to react to threats by counter-confrontation, and I think that put off the ones who came after me. But I still say I was just lucky, and that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I try to do mose of those too.

But, "an ounce of prevention" still isn't definitely going to stop it happening.

1. I don't have to worry about that, what with being a man..

Again, it's not limited to females.

The way you dress doesn't mean anything.

It shouldn't ... but it does.

Honestly, I don't know how you can say that.

It's interesting that so many women have said "make eye contact" as a way of defending oneself. For me as a bloke, eye contact is actually a step on the way to confrontation.

I think I use an indifferent glance at other men as my way of showing confidence. Eye contact, if it happens at all, is extremely fleeting. Quite simply, eye contact is for people I like, and if a person is physically intimidating, the last thing I want is to show them my feelings, which might include fear or hostility.

I've been in quite a few sketchy situations in terms of near sexual assaults...so it's definitely in the back of my mind now. I've been in so many physical altercations that I've got a pretty good feel for when something like that is going to happen. So far, it's been confined to female/female violence...I would certainly not feel so confident coming up against a large man.

I wish I could ask the kind of bastards who perpetrate assaults what the fuck THEY are doing to control their own actions...I have no doubt they place the blame squarely on the shoulders of their victims.

It's interesting that so many women have said "make eye contact" as a way of defending oneself. For me as a bloke, eye contact is actually a step on the way to confrontation.

I think I use an indifferent glance at other men as my way of showing confidence. Eye contact, if it happens at all, is extremely fleeting. Quite simply, eye contact is for people I like, and if a person is physically intimidating, the last thing I want is to show them my feelings, which might include fear or hostility.

You need a game face. *nod* I have one. When I was in highschool I was quite a bit shorter and smaller than most girls (I was 4'9") I had a good game face though, most girls were terrified of me, if they started shit I would just start screaming at them like I wasn't afraid... I was very afraid! They figured out about 20 seconds in that I was crazy and mostly they left me alone. The times I did get into a fight I was scrappy enough to gain an advantage, even if I wasn't fighting "fair" so they knew I wouldn't go down without breaking someone or bringing blood.

My game face has helped in other areas too, like keeping the children calm when we found a snake in the bathtub. I was very scared, but I didn't show it. I looked completely calm. My girls still tell everyone "and mommy wasn't even afraid of that snake!" big lie. Big BIG lie. I was so freaking scared.

I keep a close eye on my drink, only go to bars where people know me, and if I'm out shooting pool, I take my own cue. I know the last one sounds weird, but that case has collided with more than its share of crotches.

I've also learned to run in heels, got the local police on speed dial and voice dial, and I'm never alone.

Considering I've been assaulted once already, I'm fairly certain I'd react similarly if it happened again.

i used to keep a knife in my car when i was travelling and picking up hitchhikers but otherwise nothing.

i'm male

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted? be smart, keep my drinks with me at all time, do not accept anything from any stranger at any time, Know my limitations and when with others don't reach that limitation, Keep away from anything that could affect my judgement, no experimentation with anything, Never leave with any stranger and always be alert of my surroundings.
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted? same thing. keep to well lit areas, have my umbrella, keyes, or anything I could use as a weapon handy, when possible, be escorted by company security (especially when leaving at night) always check the back seat before getting in and always be aware of my surroundings. oh and keep my cell phone handy.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


1. I got to a red belt in Taekwondo some years ago, and am now considering Krav Maga. Also looking into getting concealed carry, preferably before that gun-grabbing idiot John McCain gets into office.
2. Same as #1. Also, being 6'5'' and almost 300lbs helps.

Male.

My strategy of being bigger than the other guy has worked pretty well so far *knock on wood* :p

Beyond that, I suppose I improve my odds by not drinking/using non-Rx drugs, and avoiding crowds. That, and being sure that if there's going to be a fight, I'm *always* the one throwing the first blow, if it comes to that. Carrying a knife would be smart, but of course that would be illegal in California, so I wouldn't dare even to dream of it. ;)

Tell them you have AIDS.

Tell them I have AIDS.

Or herpes...

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

I'm a male.

1. I haven't ever thought about myself being sexually assaulted...as men are rarely raped outside of prison.

2. I prevent myself from being physically assaulted by walking confidently, looking like I know where I'm going, and what I'm doing.

I don't really think about be assaulted much, as I don't live in a bad part of town, though it is still a possibility.

As a male I've not really felt myself to be in much danger of sexual assault, so my strategy there is pretty much stay out prison. Physical assault, I try to avoid by being alert and aware of my surroundings in any area I consider dangerous. That way I'll be able to react quickly if necessary.

Or herpes...

Hi, I have herpes.

Comparing it to AIDS in any way other than naming them both STIs is...very misinformed.

You need a game face. *nod* I have one.

The only game face I have is "very bored." It works pretty well because it denies any emotion ... you don't have to judge whether a person is genuinely aggressive, testing you out, practical joking. Just give em the big ol' "whatever, buddy."

Having heard how often people are assholes to you, I think I'll stick with my way thanks! :p

My game face has helped in other areas too, like keeping the children calm when we found a snake in the bathtub. I was very scared, but I didn't show it. I looked completely calm. My girls still tell everyone "and mommy wasn't even afraid of that snake!" big lie. Big BIG lie. I was so freaking scared.

I'm feeling something like deja vu. Just last night I was speculating to myself about the way snakes react to people. You probably kept the snake calm, which is good, even if you were thinking mainly of the kids!

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?

.
Male
1. not really a concern. well one time in a gay club I decided to keep an eye on my drink. but by and large not a concern for men.

2.
concealed carry a hand gun if I am going to a club I leave it in my car or my friends car.
Know my surroundings.
know the bouncers at the clubs I go to so if there is problems they stomp the other guy.
Drive places rather then walk or take mass transit.

Fight Club?

Only with my buddies. My uncle was a Green Beret. He went places and did things that I'm not supposed to know could have even happened. But he's also my godfather, and took my dog when I couldn't bring the mutt to my dorm room at uni. Nice guy, most people really like him.

1. Tell them I'm a Democrat and hope they're gentle.
2. Tell them I'm a Republican.

Hrm... it might work better the other way around, depending where you are..

It shouldn't ... but it does.

Honestly, I don't know how you can say that.

I can say that based on experience.

i just avoid campany and situations where aggressiveness is romantacized.

and seriously wish people would get their heads far enough out of their assess to stop romantacizing it as a culture.

=^^=
.../\...

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

Conceal and carry. As they say: "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

I second the above!

Male
1) I carry a gun
2) I carry a gun

Actually I carry everywhere I go, except bars and my job, since doing both would get me arrested where I live.

1)&2) I Live!!!
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Apart from just walking around normally (although for me that entails a large amount of random running, jumping and talking to myself), I don't really do anything.

Male.

1. Physical violence.
2. Physical violence.

No doubt not much diffeant from how others have answered.

Male:

1. Run if I am the only target. If this isn't an option then use only the force necessary to provide an opportunity to escape.

2. See above.

What's the point in kicking the shit out of someone to stay safe when violence can be avoided and I can remain on the right side of the law

I carry a concealed gnu.

I'm a woman and I avoid sexual/physical assault by taking taxis everywhere (using a firm I know so well that if I don't recognise the driver I know that its not a legit taxi)

I also dress (by choice, not out of fear of assault) conservatively and just look poor. No matter what I wear, I make it look like it came from the bargain bin at Primark and consequently I don't look like a good target for robbery.

Living in England my Scottish accent puts people off because Scottish people are steroetypically seen as being 'hard' and 'pure dead mental, like' and it is quite a rough accent, even for Lancashire! :p

Also, it helps that I almost never go out after dark (because I have work early doors) so my chances of being attacked are reduced simply because they would have to jump me in broad daylight on a busy street.


I agree with other posters though - eyecontact is useful in some situations. I think because it marks you out as confident and a person who wouldn't easily be scared into compliance but would struggle and resist. Thats one of the things that deters wouldbe attackers the most - the possibility that their victim will draw attention to them by screaming and fighting. It only takes one scream to bring people running (depending on where you live of course)

I carry a concealed gnu.

http://www.sagarmatha.com/images/gnu.jpg

That must be really hard to conceal!

But it would be effective in a fight...

http://www.sagarmatha.com/images/gnu.jpg

That must be really hard to conceal!

Yes, I have to wear a really big overcoat.

<snippy pic>

That must be really hard to conceal!

But it would be effective in a fight...

It's camouflaged... as long as you keep to the African savannah at all times, it should be hard enough to spot.

Male.


1. Try not to get in prison.
2. Try to avoid dangerous neighbourhoods at night. If it's 2 AM, I'm drunk, and it is 2 hour walk through dangerous neighbourhoods, I try to remember to take a taxi. Few times I forgot (or some drunken boldness comes into play) and few times i get beaten up. So my strategy is not all succesfull. But i try.

Unarmed is unprepared. I'm always armed in some fashion, except maybe when I'm in the shower, or sleeping. Plus I'm a 6'6 260 lb male, so I'm unlikely to encounter belligerance I can't deal with, in oe fashion or another.

Yes, I have to wear a really big overcoat.

Bet that impresses the ladies. ;)

I'm just careful where I walk and the 'attitude' I project.

I project a 'I'm poor and a loser' which... well.. for some reason comes naturally for me. :p

I also have a knife, (not a swiss pocket one, but a Buck)
an umbrella (the large Golf one. tho my small telescoping one has a blade concealed in the handle)
and a very heavy backpack (that can be swung as a club)

The way you dress doesn't mean anything.

Actually, it does, and very much so.

Though it's not like I dress the way I do to look like a badass, I just like how the clothes feel. It's only a plus that it prevents unwanted occurances.

Yes, I have to wear a really big overcoat.

"Psst. Hey, buddy. Want to buy a hoofed mammal?"

Larson really should have gone with "ungulate". It's so much better that way.

Male:

Awareness and a resolute mindset can eliminate the majority of potential conflicts. Know your own limitations and have a plan of action for when your antagonist has a more resolute mindset than your own.

But who will protect you from me? :eek:

*volunteers*

Male. I don't take particular cautions to avoid either case, though I generally try to have a good awareness of what's going around me at any given time, and I do have a tendency to not walk right past any hidden corners without being on the other side of the road.

Male
walking around talking to my self like i have just got from Rampton Secure Hospital

Female.

I try not to wear clothes that are gonna draw a lot of attention to myself when out at night and/or am alone.
I try to make sure I have flat shoes with me when coming back from somewhere at night.
I generally don't go out alone at night - I travel with friends or get picked up and taken home.
I always make sure someone knows where I am, and when I should be back.
I get trains a fair bit and if someone seems odd, I'll get off at the next station and then get on again at a different coach. I also try and be aware of where the conductor is on the train, and sit in that coach.
I walk confidently and quickly without making eye-contact.
I don't really drink, but I'd always keep hold of my drink, make sure I have planned travel home, and that someone is not drinking.

I hate that I live in a world where I feel the need to do those things.


I'd like to learn some kind of self-defence, especially when I move to a city for university.
I'd also consider an alarm I can carry with me.

All of that is really aimed at sexual assault. I've never really felt any physical threat, but I've had serious problems with being really scared of sexual assault.

I'm a bloke, and follow Dylan Moran's advice of: when you're walking past a bunch of dodgy lads, I grab me keys and push them through my fingers...

if that's not paranoia, I don't know what is.:D

Male.

1: I stay unattractive.
2: A knife and the useful cry: "Take care, you dunghill-cocks!"

Actually, it does, and very much so.

Though it's not like I dress the way I do to look like a badass, I just like how the clothes feel. It's only a plus that it prevents unwanted occurances.

It doesn't completely prevent unwanted occurances. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. If someone wants to attack you, they're not going to stop and think "oh, I better not, after all, look what she/he is wearing."

While I understand that it's probably more likely for a girl wearing next to nothing to get sexually asaulted, or perhaps for a guy whose dressed "like a fag" to get physically assaulted, that doesn't mean if you dress a certain way you WON'T get attacked.

It doesn't completely prevent unwanted occurances. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. If someone wants to attack you, they're not going to stop and think "oh, I better not, after all, look what she/he is wearing."

While I understand that it's probably more likely for a girl wearing next to nothing to get sexually asaulted, or perhaps for a guy whose dressed "like a fag" to get physically assaulted, that doesn't mean if you dress a certain way you WON'T get attacked.

It definitely won't guarantee it, but it helps.

Female

1) I'm big (six feet) and built like a linebacker. This seems to intimidate people.
2) See 1)

I really don't understand what makes me so intimidating, but evidently I am...

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

1. I am a guy so I don't really have to worry about the first one.
2. I mind my own business and don't go where I ought not go and, if I have to, and thankfully I never have, I carry a small, flip out box cutter with me. It could be lethal but it's better used for wounding potential. I hope to never have to come to a situation where I even need to remove it from my pocket and I never have thus far.

1. I am a guy so I don't really have to worry about the first one.
2. I mind my own business and don't go where I ought not go and, if I have to, and thankfully I never have, I carry a small, flip out box cutter with me. It could be lethal but it's better used for wounding potential. I hope to never have to come to a situation where I even need to remove it from my pocket and I never have thus far.

Lay...just have to say. Men get sexually assaulted quite a bit actually...well more boys then men, but if you end up in jail watch out for the daily cornholen.

anyway, Male

1. If I feel threatened sexually...it would depend, another guy I would have to use some lethal measures to escape, a women on the other hand oooo....now thats a thought.

2. Nebraska has the conceal and carry law...isn't it great being in the center of no where.

It definitely won't guarantee it, but it helps.

Well, based on my experience, I have been sexually assaulted wearing a long hippy skirt. I was pretty covered up, but it was hot, so I was wearing a singlet-top. I don't think that's exactly provoking. Then, I've gone clubbing in dresses that should probably be classified as shirts and haven't had a problem. If someone wants to assault you, they'll assault you.

1. If I feel threatened sexually...it would depend, another guy I would have to use some lethal measures to escape, a women on the other hand oooo....now thats a thought.

2. Nebraska has the conceal and carry law...isn't it great being in the center of no where.

So let me get this straight. If a guy grabbed ahold of your bum and squeezed ... you'd shoot him dead.

Is that right? :eek:

Well, based on my experience, I have been sexually assaulted wearing a long hippy skirt. I was pretty covered up, but it was hot, so I was wearing a singlet-top. I don't think that's exactly provoking. Then, I've gone clubbing in dresses that should probably be classified as shirts and haven't had a problem. If someone wants to assault you, they'll assault you.

hippie skirts are very hot.

What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?



Male.
1.I don't go to places frequented by violent gays. Never been risked a sexual assault by a female - well once, somewhat, but she was 13 and I was 23, so I just turned away from her, lest I landed in jail.
2.Being 190 cm tall x about 96 kg weight can be quite useful. I can choose between intimidation, actual fighting, and a cowardly (and wise) retreat.

Lay...just have to say. Men get sexually assaulted quite a bit actually...well more boys then men, but if you end up in jail watch out for the daily cornholen.

anyway, Male

1. If I feel threatened sexually...it would depend, another guy I would have to use some lethal measures to escape, a women on the other hand oooo....now thats a thought.

2. Nebraska has the conceal and carry law...isn't it great being in the center of no where.

Thank god someone else realises men also get sexually assaulted.

hippie skirts are very hot.

But they're in no way "revealing" or the typical kind of attire that you'd assume one would get sexually assaulted in.

Female

1) I'm big (six feet) and built like a linebacker. This seems to intimidate people.
2) See 1)

I really don't understand what makes me so intimidating, but evidently I am...

I got called intimidating by this idiot one night, and I was dressed like a school girl. Seriously, who could find a girl in pigtails intimidating?

But they're in no way "revealing" or the typical kind of attire that you'd assume one would get sexually assaulted in.

revealing makes men not want to sexually assault a girl. now a Amish girl covered from ankles to wrist thats hot.

revealing makes men not want to sexually assault a girl. now a Amish girl covered from ankles to wrist thats hot.

So, you're saying you'd sexually assault an Amish girl? :rolleyes:

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

1. I try not to do something that would get me sent to prison.
2. I scowl.

Note, I am male.

So, you're saying you'd sexually assault an Amish girl? :rolleyes:

Oh yes, that would be irresistable, I'm afraid.

Oh yes, that would be irresistable, I'm afraid.

It's not a particularly funny issue.

1. I try not to do something that would get me sent to prison.
2. I scowl.

Note, I am male.

Because men only get sexually assaulted in prison. :rolleyes:

"What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?"

I make every effort to be extremely ugly. Surprisingly it doesn't take much effort.

"What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?"

I wander the streets muttering loudly about how I really want to pull out my gun and shoot somebody.

It's not a particularly funny issue.

I am in college and everyone who lives with me is a /b/tard. So, yes, it is.

Because men only get sexually assaulted in prison. :rolleyes:

I know a couple women who have been sexually assaulted. I know several more who almost were.

I don't know any men who have either been sexually assaulted, nor any who were even in a situation in which they worried about the possibility.

However, it is well known that sexual assault is very common among men in prison populations. Given that I personally have never met any guys who have gotten raped or been in a situation where they feared such an assault happening, but that everyone knows that rape is common in prison, I think my strategy of avoiding going to prison is a good one.

So, you're saying you'd sexually assault an Amish girl? :rolleyes:

well try and seduce. normally with tales about hand held phones that let me call around the world. Or I show them my horseless carriage.

I know a couple women who have been sexually assaulted. I know several more who almost were.

I don't know any men who have either been sexually assaulted, nor any who were even in a situation in which they worried about the possibility.

However, it is well known that sexual assault is very common among men in prison populations. Given that I personally have never met any guys who have gotten raped or been in a situation where they feared such an assault happening, but that everyone knows that rape is common in prison, I think my strategy of avoiding going to prison is a good one.

I know women who've been sexual assaulted, abused and raped.
I know men who've been sexually assautled and abused - outside of a prison environment.

well try and seduce. normally with tales about hand held phones that let me call around the world. Or I show them my horseless carriage.

It is always most fun to corrupt that which is most "pure."

It is always most fun to corrupt that which is most "pure."

:rolleyes:

I know women who've been sexual assaulted, abused and raped.
I know men who've been sexually assautled and abused - outside of a prison environment.

Well I don't, regarding the latter case. I've never even heard of one. Discounting statutory rape. Seeing as how I know quite a few women who either have been sexually assaulted or feared that they would be, and no men who have, never even having heard of any men who have, I still think not going to prison is a good plan. I mean, because there, the chances of getting raped are extremely high. Higher than just about any other place I could go, I would venture.

:rolleyes:

:D

Well I don't, regarding the latter case. I've never even heard of one. Discounting statutory rape. Seeing as how I know quite a few women who either have been sexually assaulted or feared that they would be, and no men who have, never even having heard of any men who have, I still think not going to prison is a good plan. I mean, because there, the chances of getting raped are extremely high. Higher than just about any other place I could go, I would venture.

You're dellusional if you think men don't get sexually assaulted or abused outside of prison. Just because you don't know anyone who has, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

You're dellusional if you think men don't get sexually assaulted or abused outside of prison. Just because you don't know anyone who has, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I never said that they didn't. However, it is a place where, as a man, one is extremely likely to be raped. More so than any other single locale I might happen upon. In fact, it is pretty much a surefire way to get raped, as a man.

But please. Enlighten me. Tell me about all the other ways that as a male, I am at the risk of getting raped. So far you've just said "but men get raped lots outside of prison," but unfortunately, you have not shared any scenarios to serve as examples.

Sexual assault is not normally about pleasure it is about power.

Sexual assault is not normally about pleasure it is about power.

I am aware of that. Hence why I'm actually interested to hear some examples of males getting raped outside of prison from Amor.

Male here...

1. Punch them in the face
2. Punch them in the face

Not that id ever actually have to worry about it (well maybe the 2nd one... in fact I actually have been jumped before).

I am aware of that. Hence why I'm actually interested to hear some examples of males getting raped outside of prison from Amor.

Firstly, I didn't say I knew males who've been "raped", if you take rape as meaning forced anal sex. I said sexually abused and sexually assaulted.

Secondly, I am not about to divulge personal information that someone has confided in me.

However,
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2028462_people_like_me_need_more_help

http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/male/

http://www.hopeforhealing.org/male.html

http://www.nycagainstrape.org/survivors_factsheet_38.html

http://www.newuniversity.org/main/article?slug=%E2%80%9Cone_in_four%E2%80%9D_urges154

Sexual assault is not normally about pleasure it is about power.

True.

I never said that they didn't. However, it is a place where, as a man, one is extremely likely to be raped. More so than any other single locale I might happen upon. In fact, it is pretty much a surefire way to get raped, as a man.

But please. Enlighten me. Tell me about all the other ways that as a male, I am at the risk of getting raped. So far you've just said "but men get raped lots outside of prison," but unfortunately, you have not shared any scenarios to serve as examples.

Yes, prison is a likely place for men to get raped.

And please see the above.

I got called intimidating by this idiot one night, and I was dressed like a school girl. Seriously, who could find a girl in pigtails intimidating?

And I wear great big skirts a lot of the time, and cute, feminine shirts. But I'm also big all around and wear my hair short - maybe guys think I'm a dyke? Even though I'm usually with my husband (and wearing my wedding band when I'm not...) I also wear cleavage-y Italian Renaissance dresses. Go figure. And I don't even have my shit kickers anymore! :(

I also had a guy walk up to me while doing a demo at the local RenFaire and call me a 'wench.' In front of my husband. Then he laughed when I informed him that I am an honorable married woman, showing no ankle. jerk.

I am in college and everyone who lives with me is a /b/tard. So, yes, it is.

No, it really isn't. Being in college is not an excuse for being an asshat.

On male rape:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_sex#Rape_of_males_by_males
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_sex#Rape_of_males_by_females

A few misconceptions this article clears up:

Firstly, male on male rape is not a sign of homosexuality in either party. Those of you who said something like "I avoid places where there are violent gays" aren't really protecting yourselves from rape. A man doesn't have to be gay to want to rape you. Furthermore, male-on-male rape "represents a minimum of about 10% of rapes". Do you honestly think it's all due to prison?
Secondly, you also forget about the possibility of being raped by a female. Yes, it can happen.

Firstly, I didn't say I knew males who've been "raped", if you take rape as meaning forced anal sex. I said sexually abused and sexually assaulted.

Secondly, I am not about to divulge personal information that someone has confided in me.

However,
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2028462_people_like_me_need_more_help

http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/male/

http://www.hopeforhealing.org/male.html

http://www.nycagainstrape.org/survivors_factsheet_38.html

http://www.newuniversity.org/main/article?slug=%E2%80%9Cone_in_four%E2%80%9D_urges154



True.



Yes, prison is a likely place for men to get raped.

And please see the above.

Thanks. Still, most of those just said what to do if I am raped/sexually assaulted.

I hadn't thought about the army or hitch-hiking, though I suppose those are likely scenarios for sexual assault. Luckily, I'm not joining the army and I'm a bigger dude than most of the people who pick me up when I hitchhike. Also, I'm a bit old to be a victim of sexual molestation in the context of child abuse.

Also, I didn't ask you to divulge personal information about your friends. I'd never ask someone to do that; I'd be offended if it were asked of me, as well. I just wanted to hear some plausible scenarios for a guy being sexually assaulted, since yeah, I honestly hadn't much thought about it outside of the obvious prison context.

No, it really isn't. Being in college is not an excuse for being an asshat.

Well, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I never said I wasn't an asshat/jerk/prick/douchebag/shithead etc. though. I don't deny it. Perhaps I'm a horrible person.

But they're in no way "revealing" or the typical kind of attire that you'd assume one would get sexually assaulted in.

It could be more that it's an "old fashioned" and feminine look ... that perhaps makes some men regress to the old days when sexual assault (while still not acceptable) was far more likely to go unreported and unpunished.

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I got called intimidating by this idiot one night, and I was dressed like a school girl. Seriously, who could find a girl in pigtails intimidating?

Anyone with pedo tendencies. Seriously.

Suppose they're attracted to underage girls, but they always do the right thing and conceal that, not act on it and try to get out of sight of the girl who'se turning them on. I can easily imagine that that could turn into a phobia about school uniforms and pigtails.

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I never said that they didn't. However, it is a place where, as a man, one is extremely likely to be raped. More so than any other single locale I might happen upon. In fact, it is pretty much a surefire way to get raped, as a man.

I've never been jailed (a night in the cop shop, is all) but I've known a few guys who have. They neither raped nor were raped.

I think it's important to remember that maximum security is not the only kind of jail.

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Firstly, male on male rape is not a sign of homosexuality in either party. Those of you who said something like "I avoid places where there are violent gays" aren't really protecting yourselves from rape. A man doesn't have to be gay to want to rape you.

Indeed. But gays are far more likely to BE raped, wouldn't you say?

Indeed. But gays are far more likely to BE raped, wouldn't you say?

I think he just meant that the male on male rapist is likely not actually homosexual himself. It's a good illustration of how rape isn't about sex as much as it is about power.

And, your friends' rapeless experiences in prison aside, I would still feel safe in the Castro district, but not at San Quintin. Of course, I've never heard of anyone believing/being afraid that gay guys were going to jump out from behind a bush and rape him. It is true, they are victims of rape much more than they perpetrate the crime.

Female.

1) Remain aware of my surroundings, and don't go anywhere alone.
2) Become EXTREMELY LOUD. It tends to work when you draw a lot of attention.

I think he just meant that the male on male rapist is likely not actually homosexual himself. It's a good illustration of how rape isn't about sex as much as it is about power.

I accept that, while noting that it isn't JUST about power. Sex and power are conflated in an unhealthy way for the rapist.

There can be power relationships involved in sex without it crossing that line. Power is involved in every human relationship. If sex is MOSTLY about power, it's time for that person to go see a therapist and try to find some healthier way to play power games.

2) Become EXTREMELY LOUD. It tends to work when you draw a lot of attention.

That works for fellas too. Negotiate, don't plead. Do it loudly.

Even if that doesn't work, at least witnesses get a clear idea of who caused the trouble.

This whole issue of guys being raped outside of prison is laughable. It is so rare it doesn't warrant attention.

It is also highly amusing that people say it is rape when female teachers bang their male students. That isn't rape at all. That means the student was a lucky bastard.

It is also highly amusing that people say it is rape when female teachers bang their male students. That isn't rape at all. That means the student was a lucky bastard.

Riiight...

You remember the vast majority of female teachers you were taught by?

At any rate, the definition of rape doesn't change. It either is sex without consent or it isn't. I'm sure not every case is rape and some cases may be.

Riiight...

You remember the vast majority of female teachers you were taught by?

At any rate, the definition of rape doesn't change. It either is sex without consent or it isn't. I'm sure not every case is rape and some cases may be.

The cases in the news the past few years were of pretty hot teachers. (the ones I've seen, anyway).

The cases in the news the past few years were of pretty hot teachers. (the ones I've seen, anyway).

Assuming it wasn't rape. For the most part, a guy won't have sex with an unnattractive teacher. So I suppose that explains the 'hot teachers' you mention.

I want this to be a gendered response, so please, state your gender when answering.

I have two questions for you. Either in the course of a normal day, or as an overall strategy.


What do you do to prevent yourself from being sexually assaulted?
What do you do to prevent yourself from being physically assaulted?


Note...I find it self-evident that the fault lies not on the victim, but on the perpetrator...nonetheless, many of us have 'strategies', and I'd like to hear yours.

MALE

1. I am careful to watch my drink when I do decide to drink an alcoholic beverage, and observe carefully to make sure that neither my food nor my more mundane beverages are tampered with when I go out someplace.

2. I'm a large, hairy, muscular sort of guy who looks, and I quote a friend verbatim here, "Like you could break them in half." So the odds of being assaulted are admittedly low. But I still walk around my car before getting into it, park in lit areas, and look into alleys as I walk by them, that sort of thing.

Male

MMA and Sig .40 cal

This whole issue of guys being raped outside of prison is laughable. It is so rare it doesn't warrant attention.

I know two guys who have been sexually assaulted. One was anally raped.
The first incident happened in the toilets of a pub. The second happened in a public toilet where my friend was cruising for gay sex.

But think what you like. Frankly, I'd rather not have you attention.

It is also highly amusing that people say it is rape when female teachers bang their male students. That isn't rape at all. That means the student was a lucky bastard.

That is rape.
You endorse it.
You are a rapist.

Goodbye.

That is rape.
You endorse it.
You are a rapist.


To be fair, it is only rape if one of the two people involved was not consenting.

I know two guys who have been sexually assaulted. One was anally raped.
The first incident happened in the toilets of a pub. The second happened in a public toilet where my friend was cruising for gay sex.

But think what you like. Frankly, I'd rather not have you attention.



That is rape.
You endorse it.
You are a rapist.

Goodbye.

Sorry about your friends, but if one was looking for gay sex, he got it.

What type of attention are you talking about here...

No it isn't rape. It is a young guy getting lucky.
You are prude.
You are wrong.

Goodbye and good riddance to you, pal.

Sorry about your friends, but if one was looking for gay sex, he got it,

What type of attention are you talking about here...

No it isn't rape. It is a young guy getting lucky.
You are prude.
You are wrong.

Goodbye and good riddance to you, pal.

I assume, of course, that you apply the same standards to male teachers and female students. That way, your opinion is just very idiotic, whereas otherwise it would be mind-bogglingly idiotic.

To be fair, it is only rape if one of the two people involved was not consenting.

To be fair to this excellent thread: I'm not going to discuss it.

Some other time, some other thread, friend.

Sorry about your friends, but if one was looking for gay sex, he got it.
That's just disgusting. He wanted gay sex so it wasn't rape? Utter bollocks. If you want sex and I present you with, say, this (http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2007/12/23-End%20of%20Month/rosie-oterror.jpg), would you just hop on and get to it? I sincerely doubt it.

No it isn't rape. It is a young guy getting lucky.

Unless he's over the age of consent it is. Your immature notion of it being awesome to have sex with one's teacher has no bearing on what is and isn't rape.

I assume, of course, that you apply the same standards to male teachers and female students. That way, your opinion is just very idiotic, whereas otherwise it would be mind-bogglingly idiotic.

No. Different standards.

Guys are supposed to go out and fuck. Girls aren't- though they do and guys don't mind.

Father's want their son's to get laid.

Father's do not want their daughters to be sluts.

Fair or not, that is the way of things.

To be fair to this excellent thread: I'm not going to discuss it.

Some other time, some other thread, friend.

*coughs*Isupposestatutoryrapeisstillrapethenevenwithconsent*coughs*

Another thread, yes.

Male

1) Being a 6'3" male I am in the statistically less likely group of people to be sexually assaulted so my precautions are the same as for number 2

2) Again my size tends to discourage but I tend to park in well lighted areas (my work is downtown so I have secured parking that I have a locked area to wait in winter for my car to warm up as I have an RFID tag to get inside ... it is only 2 blocks from the bars)

I also keep everything locked at all times

Make sure to stay aware of my surroundings or be with friends when too drunk to do so for myself

No. Different standards.

Guys are supposed to go out and fuck. Girls aren't- though they do and guys don't mind.

Father's want their son's to get laid.

Father's do not want their daughters to be sluts.

Fair or not, that is the way of things.

That is the most amazingly stupid thing I heard all day. And I spent today reading about astrology.

No. Different standards.
Guys are supposed to go out and fuck. Girls aren't- though they do and guys don't mind.
Father's want their son's to get laid.
Father's do not want their daughters to be sluts.
Fair or not, that is the way of things.

*mind is boggled*

That is the most amazingly stupid thing I heard all day. And I spent today reading about astrology.

Then you don't know many father's now do you?

How many times do you hear of father's bragging that their daughter's just brought home and fucked some guy? Never.

How many times to you hear father's bragging that their sons just got lucky? Fairly often.

That's just how society is. Women are discouraged from being promiscuous, while men are encouraged to be.

As I said earlier, fair or not, that is the way of things.

No. Different standards.

Guys are supposed to go out and fuck. Girls aren't- though they do and guys don't mind.

Father's want their son's to get laid.

Father's do not want their daughters to be sluts.

Fair or not, that is the way of things.

That's fucking disgusting.

And wrong.

Then you don't know many father's now do you?

How many times do you hear of father's bragging that their daughter's just brought home and fucked some guy? Never.

How many times to you hear father's bragging that their sons just got lucky? Fairly often.

That's just how society is. Women are discouraged from being promiscuous, while men are encouraged to be.

As I said earlier, fair or not, that is the way of things.

Ow. My head.

Then you don't know many father's now do you?

How many times do you hear of father's bragging that their daughter's just brought home and fucked some guy? Never.

How many times to you hear father's bragging that their sons just got lucky? Fairly often.

That's just how society is. Women are discouraged from being promiscuous, while men are encouraged to be.

As I said earlier, fair or not, that is the way of things.

I have never heard either being bragged about personally ... ever
Not by parents

And sure as hell not in my family

Then you don't know many father's now do you?

How many times do you hear of father's bragging that their daughter's just brought home and fucked some guy? Never.

How many times to you hear father's bragging that their sons just got lucky? Fairly often.

That's just how society is. Women are discouraged from being promiscuous, while men are encouraged to be.

As I said earlier, fair or not, that is the way of things.

I have never heard anyone ever bragging about how their son just had sex. If I did, I would be deeply disturbed. And you somehow took the leap of "women are discouraged from promiscuoity while men are encouraged", which is a major problem in our society, and took from that "teenage boys are able to consent to sex while girls aren't" which is a logical leap so huge the Prince of Persia couldn't make it.

What horrible fathers are you hanging out with?

*mind is boggled*

That's fucking disgusting.

And wrong.

Ow. My head.

I have never heard either being bragged about personally ... ever
Not by parents

And sure as hell not in my family

What horrible fathers are you hanging out with?

Wtf guys?

What horrible fathers are you hanging out with?

What he asked.

My stepfather would have been incredibly disappointed in me had I told him about "getting lucky" with some random girl.

What horrible fathers are you hanging out with?

The ones on those unbelievably shitty sitcoms that Fox airs for god knows what reason?

Okay okay. Most father's don't go around bragging about the sexual exploits of their kids, male or female.

But.

It is still more acceptable for guys to be promiscuous rather than girls. That was my point.

Guys seem to brag more about it, too.

Wtf guys?

Dude. I may be a mad pimp, but I have some respect for myself and the womenfolk.

Respect man.

It's like...symbiotic. And chill. It is also cosmically chill.

Okay okay. Most father's don't go around bragging about the sexual exploits of their kids, male or female.

But.

It is still more acceptable for guys to be promiscuous rather than girls. That was my point.

Guys seem to brag more about it, too.

So let me see if I follow you. Because of the sexist ideas of people like you, which makes it more "acceptable" for men to be promiscous, underage boys can consent to sex, whearas underage girls can't. Right. Makes perfect sense.

It is still more acceptable for guys to be promiscuous rather than girls. That was my point.


And that has what bearing on whether or not men can be raped?

No. Different standards.

Guys are supposed to go out and fuck. Girls aren't- though they do and guys don't mind.

Father's want their son's to get laid.

Father's do not want their daughters to be sluts.

Fair or not, that is the way of things.

It just is the way it is and that's it? Fuck that. Fuck that in the ear.

Guys seem to brag more about it, too.

Here's my question. How many girls keep you in their confidence regarding their sexual exploits?

And that has what bearing on whether or not men can be raped?

Don't you get it? Guys always want sex. Except when it's from other guys, unless they're gay.

So let me see if I follow you. Because of the sexist ideas of people like you, which makes it more "acceptable" for men to be promiscous, underage boys can consent to sex, whearas underage girls can't. Right. Makes perfect sense.

Young guys getting lucky is all, assuming the teacher is decent looking.

Don't you get it? Guys always want sex. Except when it's from other guys, unless they're gay.

I get it, I get it!

Stop trying to hump me now please...

Wtf guys?

That feeling right there, that's how we feel when you post this kind of thing.

That feeling right there, that's how we feel when you post this kind of thing.

Ahahaha!

I forgot this was NSG, totally unrelated to the real world (in some aspects)

Sorry guys!

for some reason or another i have a majortiy of my school afraid of me despite the fact i'm the nicest guy on the planet.

Ahahaha!
I forgot this was NSG, totally unrelated to the real world (in some aspects)
Sorry guys!

No offense, but I have the feeling you are a walking stereotype. I'm not exactly sure what of yet, but it is most likely mythical and everpresent. Like Bigfoot or Paul Bunyan.

for some reason or another i have a majortiy of my school afraid of me despite the fact i'm the nicest guy on the planet.

Weird.

Use the fear to your advantage!

Sorry about your friends, but if one was looking for gay sex, he got it.

This statement is disgusting on so many levels that I don't know where to begin.

No offense, but I have the feeling you are a walking stereotype. I'm not exactly sure what of yet, but it is most likely mythical and everpresent. Like Bigfoot or Paul Bunyan.

haha! Seriously that made me crack up!

Do tell, bann-ed, do tell!

Bigfoot and Paul Bunyan are fucking awesome!

Young guys getting lucky is all, assuming the teacher is decent looking.

That attitude is fucking disgusting. Have you no concept of consent?

That attitude is fucking disgusting. Have you no concept of consent?

Of course.

I cannot imagine a young male teen turning down a good looking teacher.

Therefore it isn't rape.

It is a young guy getting lucky.

No offense, but I have the feeling you are a walking stereotype. I'm not exactly sure what of yet, but it is most likely mythical and everpresent. Like Bigfoot or Paul Bunyan.

*cough* manbearpig

Young guys getting lucky is all, assuming the teacher is decent looking.

That wasn't even a response. It has been repeatedly pointed out to you that it being more "acceptable" for boys to be promiscous has nothing to do with whether they can consent to sex as opposed to girls and you have completley ignored it. In fact, I could easily change that statement to "young girls getting lucky is all, assuming the teacher is decent looking" and it would make exactly as much sense.

That wasn't even a response. It has been repeatedly pointed out to you that it being more "acceptable" for boys to be promiscous has nothing to do with whether they can consent to sex as opposed to girls and you have completley ignored it. In fact, I could easily change that statement to "young girls getting lucky is all, assuming the teacher is decent looking" and it would make exactly as much sense.

Of course it does.

Guys are encouraged to fuck. Therefore they want to fuck. Therefore when they have a chance to fuck they fuck.

Guys are encouraged to fuck. Therefore they want to fuck. Therefore when they have a chance to fuck they fuck.

Are you fucking insane?

Of course.

I cannot imagine a young male teen turning down a good looking teacher.

Therefore it isn't rape.

It is a young guy getting lucky.

You appear to be fundamentally misunderstanding the basic concept. In many statuary rape cases, the victim, whether male or female, doesn't turn down the abuser. The issue is whether they are capable of giving informed consent, and absolutley nothing you have said gives any indication that boys are more capable of this than girls.

Of course it does.

Guys are encouraged to fuck. Therefore they want to fuck. Therefore when they have a chance to fuck they fuck.

Do you honestly believe that women don't want to have sex? Again, you don't even appear to understand the basic idea of informed consent.

haha! Seriously that made me crack up!

That's why I'm here. Partially.
Do tell, bann-ed, do tell!
I said I didn't know yet. But you seem to be a certain part of me expanded to the max. I don't think I even need to say I'm a moderate fellow.
Bigfoot and Paul Bunyan are fucking awesome!
Yes. But awesome didn't consent...so technically it is rape.
*cough* manbearpig
Maybe? What?

Of course it does.

Guys are encouraged to fuck. Therefore they want to fuck. Therefore when they have a chance to fuck they fuck.

Guys are encouraged to play sports. Therefore they want to play sports. Therefore when they have a chance to play sports they play sports.

Guys are encouraged to do homework. Therefore they want to do homework. Therefore when they have a chance to do homework they do homework.

You can see where I'm going with this, I hope.

Are you fucking insane?

Why do I feel that's the only kind of fucking that he's ever going to get?

You can see where I'm going with this, I hope.

Uhm.. Guys are encouraged to give people moderating powers. Therefore they want to give people moderating powers. Therefore when they have a chance to give people moderating powers they give people moderating powers.

It's a known fact.

I cannot imagine a young male teen turning down a good looking teacher.

I can, quite easily... I think you have a very limited imagination.

Uhm.. Guys are encouraged to give people moderating powers. Therefore they want to give people moderating powers. Therefore when they have a chance to give people moderating powers they give people moderating powers.

It's a known fact.

Guys are encouraged to bribe moderators. Therefore they want to bribe Moderators. Therefore when they have a chance to bribe Moderators, they bribe Moderators.

:)

You appear to be fundamentally misunderstanding the basic concept. In many statuary rape cases, the victim, whether male or female, doesn't turn down the abuser. The issue is whether they are capable of giving informed consent, and absolutley nothing you have said gives any indication that boys are more capable of this than girls.

Do you honestly believe that women don't want to have sex? Again, you don't even appear to understand the basic idea of informed consent.

Ok, now we're getting to the heart of the matter, it seems like.

I'm talking about males in high school. Generally able to understand what sex is, and able to consent.

Girls of the same age generally know and understand what sex, and may or may not want it as bad as the boys, but it is still generally frowned upon for them to go through with it.

Therefore boys getting on with a female teacher is getting lucky, and girls getting it on with male teachers is bad.

Now I don't condone high school teachers getting it on with their students, however. I just don't feel sorry for the guys that get some from female teachers, as they just lived a fantasy many young guys have about one of their teachers.

Yes, I admit it. There were a few hot teachers in my school.




That's why I'm here. Partially.

I said I didn't know yet. But you seem to be a certain part of me expanded to the max. I don't think I even need to say I'm a moderate fellow.


What part of you?

Guys are encouraged to play sports. Therefore they want to play sports. Therefore when they have a chance to play sports they play sports.

Guys are encouraged to do homework. Therefore they want to do homework. Therefore when they have a chance to do homework they do homework.

You can see where I'm going with this, I hope.

Bah!

I can, quite easily... I think you have a very limited imagination.

Well, maybe if the guy was actually gay they would turn down an attractive female teacher.

Well, maybe if the guy was actually gay they would turn down an attractive female teacher.

Or if he had a girlfriend, or didn't want to have sex so early, or wasn't comfortable having sex with a teacher, or just didn't feel inclined to at that particular time and place.

:rolleyes:

I'm not sure how much more simply I can explain this. Is the concept of informed consent really that difficult to grasp?

Ok, now we're getting to the heart of the matter, it seems like.

I'm talking about males in high school. Generally able to understand what sex is, and able to consent.

Girls of the same age generally know and understand what sex, and may or may not want it as bad as the boys, but it is still generally frowned upon for them to go through with it.

Therefore boys getting on with a female teacher is getting lucky, and girls getting it on with male teachers is bad.

...What? Are you serious?


Now I don't condone high school teachers getting it on with their students, however. I just don't feel sorry for the guys that get some from female teachers, as they just lived a fantasy many young guys have about one of their teachers.

Yes, I admit it. There were a few hot teachers in my school.

I have a lot of fantasies. I don't want to live out all of them.






Well, maybe if the guy was actually gay they would turn down an attractive female teacher.

I am a young male teenager, 15 years old. I can easily see myself turning down an attractive female teacher, because I'm not a sex-crazed imbecile and can control myself. I am done for the night.

Or if he had a girlfriend, or didn't want to have sex so early, or wasn't comfortable having sex with a teacher, or just didn't feel inclined to at that particular time and place.

:rolleyes:

That'd require men to be in control of their own bodies, and everyone knows that's not the case. That's why "she was wearing a miniskirt" is a valid defense, dontchaknow?

Or if he had a girlfriend, or didn't want to have sex so early, or wasn't comfortable having sex with a teacher, or just didn't feel inclined to at that particular time and place.

:rolleyes:

Or the guy was smart enough to know that it would probably be found out and publicized by the local and national media, leading to a great deal of embarrassment for his family and jail time for his teacher.

What part of you?
The angry environmentalist part that doesn't like compromise. The occassionally irrational 'my way or the highway' side of me.
Well, maybe if the guy was actually gay they would turn down an attractive female teacher.
Speaking as a heterosexual male, I would most likely turn down an attractive female teacher. I don't need that sort of complication in my life. It can really screw things up, in both the negative and positive senses of the word.

Or the guy was smart enough to know that it would probably be found out and publicized by the local and national media, leading to a great deal of embarrassment for his family and jail time for his teacher.

In fairness to Trollgaard, he could blame that on the law, not the intrinsic nature of the act.

In fairness to Trollgaard, he could blame that on the law, not the intrinsic nature of the act.

True.

But his previous 'that's just how it is, live with it' position on male vs. female sex lives leads me to point out that.. It's the law, that's just how it is, so live with it.

In fairness to Trollgaard, he could blame that on the law, not the intrinsic nature of the act.

Only the jail time. The shame and media harassment it would cause his family...let's face it, that would happen regardless of legality.

...What? Are you serious?

I have a lot of fantasies. I don't want to live out all of them.

I am a young male teenager, 15 years old. I can easily see myself turning down an attractive female teacher, because I'm not a sex-crazed imbecile and can control myself. I am done for the night.

What right back to you?!?!?

I'm not saying kids are sex crazed imbeciles. Why is having sex with a teacher now something only and imbecile would do? If the teacher is hot and willing, why not? (assuming your male, and the teacher is female)

The angry environmentalist part that doesn't like compromise. The occassionally irrational 'my way or the highway' side of me.

Speaking as a heterosexual male, I would most likely turn down an attractive female teacher. I don't need that sort of complication in my life. It can really screw things up, in both the negative and positive senses of the word.

I see. :)

Good point. It may complicate your life if the relationship becomes public knowledge, and may make that class awkward afterwards but hey, all that stuff would be later. Go with flow, and take charge!

In fairness to Trollgaard, he could blame that on the law, not the intrinsic nature of the act.

Yeah. The law regarding female teacher and male students doesn't really seem right to me. (high school students, anyway).

Only the jail time. The shame and media harassment it would cause his family...let's face it, that would happen regardless of legality.

Still, if his argument is taken broadly as an appeal to change legal standards and social attitudes when it comes to underage sex on the part of teenage boys, pointing to those legal standards and social attitudes isn't an effective rebuttal.

True.

But his previous 'that's just how it is, live with it' position on male vs. female sex lives leads me to point out that.. It's the law, that's just how it is, so live with it.

Hey hey now, Bann-ed.

I never said you had to live with it. I just said that's the way it is. You can try and change it if you want. I nevah said you couldn't, foo!

I'm not saying kids are sex crazed imbeciles. Why is having sex with a teacher now something only and imbecile would do? If the teacher is hot and willing, why not? (assuming your male, and the teacher is female)
You would be better off as a debator and possibly as a person if you left stuff like that off your posts. It doesn't help your cause.
Good point. It may complicate your life if the relationship becomes public knowledge, and may make that class awkward afterwards but hey, all that stuff would be later. Go with flow, and take charge!
What can I say, I'm a man of inaction.
Yeah. The law regarding female teacher and male students doesn't really seem right to me. (high school students, anyway).
Ah.
Hey hey now, Bann-ed.
I never said you had to live with it. I just said that's the way it is. You can try and change it if you want. I nevah said you couldn't, foo!
I'll live with it. Considering I'm not all that interested in older women.
Unless it's a short term thing.. Otherwise it's like buying a used car that you intend to keep until it stops running.
*is crucified for terrible analogy*

Still, if his argument is taken broadly as an appeal to change legal standards and social attitudes when it comes to underage sex on the part of teenage boys, pointing to those legal standards and social attitudes isn't an effective rebuttal.

That's just it. That's not the argument. The claim is that social standards would permit and even encourage males under the age of majority to have sex with an attractive female teacher, and so the law should allow it as well.

The obvious problems are 1) that the premise is dubious at best, at least in such a highly generalized form and 2) that even were it completely true, we could easily dispute the assertion that the law should permit what social standards permit.

That's fucking disgusting.

And wrong.

See, I was the biggest asshole in the thread for a while. And then a guy that even I think is a dick came in and basically spouted some opinions that would have been outdated in the neolithic. Mostly about simply accepting shitty double standards.


I will admit, though, that there were definitely teachers that I wanted to jump into bed with.

by using disinfectant soap when i wash my unmentionables, and not walking down dark alleys, half naked, with hundred dollar bills hanging out of my pocket.

other then that, i stay in my house wearing my little tin foil hat with the doors booby traped and tin foil on the windows, and do my walking about on the computer.

ok, i'm not really anywhere near THAT extreme, but mostly i'm not really all that interested in going anywhere i've been before that i know to be messed up.

it's not actually fear that keeps me from being more social, so much as it is that i find so many other things so much more fascinating and gratifying.

i do live in a fairly peaceful town, where the odds of anyone going out of their way to bug me for fun or profit, other then the damd holy rollers (and the dogs like to gnaw on them), is extremely low.

(we also have a very large iron kettle in our back yard with the words "missionary possition" displayed prominently on the side of it in large friendly letters)

=^^=
.../\...

Thanks. Still, most of those just said what to do if I am raped/sexually assaulted.

I hadn't thought about the army or hitch-hiking, though I suppose those are likely scenarios for sexual assault. Luckily, I'm not joining the army and I'm a bigger dude than most of the people who pick me up when I hitchhike. Also, I'm a bit old to be a victim of sexual molestation in the context of child abuse.

Clubs are also a possible place.