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Just wondering.

I try not to be that picky. Men and women are both beautiful.

I think so?

Where's the "mostly" option?

Ja wohl, mein Fuhrer

Yeah.

So they tell me.

Ja wohl, mein Fuhrer
Heil.

Heterosexual means to do it with a variety of people, right?

Errr... about half the time.

No.

I'm interested to see how Soviestan replies.

Probably.

heterosexual means you like the oposite gender, compated to homosexual in which you like the same gender.

Yes'm. Women are divine, so sleek and sexy. Men, on the other hand, are lumpy and awkward.

I'm interested to see how Soviestan replies.

Wait, how long have you been around here?

I'm pretty sure.

*looks at how I've dressed myself in mirror*

yes, unless monging about in your pajamas at half 5 is a good thing

I try not to be that picky.

You beggars can't be choosers, true.

Nah...

well it's been a long time but i vaguely remember being hetrosexual i think

Hetero : O

<snip>

You... you're... you're back? I haven't seen you in ages Tink!

And yes, I'm fully heterosexual.

Yep. Still gay.

Girls.

And boys :fluffle:

how long into a dry-spell until your officially a-sexual?

Girls.

And boys :fluffle:

Just can't decide, eh?

You... you're... you're back? I haven't seen you in ages Tink!

And yes, I'm fully heterosexual.

i'm afraid so!

Just wondering.

Sure I am, I don't want to be teh ebilz!!!1!

(clearly the remark was a joke, I'm not trying to call homersexuals 'ebil')

Just can't decide, eh?

Decide which part of my sexuality I want to deprive myself of? No, I refuse to.

Yes'm. Women are divine, so sleek and sexy. Men, on the other hand, are lumpy and awkward.

Lol, agreed.

Sexually indifferent boring on bi.

Yep. Still gay.

it almost sounds like you went and checked...is there some pictures I should know about?

Girls.

And boys :fluffle:

by Joe the 90's sucked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_qzzx3A_Go)

i'm afraid so!

I thought you was just a legend? :eek:

I thought you was just a legend? :eek:

:cool:

I'm not hetero, no.
I am Gay.

Nope.

Errr... about half the time.

/\ This /\

Nope, I'm bisexual.

Yes'm. Women are divine, so sleek and sexy. Men, on the other hand, are lumpy and awkward.

Depends, as always, on the individual.

Heterosexual means to do it with a variety of people, right?

no, humping a bunch of people is called being Promiscuous

Hetero means 1 man + 1 woman

....or 1 man and 2 women,....:D

Hetero, so far as I know.

how long into a dry-spell until your officially a-sexual?

A lifetime.

no, humping a bunch of people is called being Promiscuous

Hetero means 1 man + 1 woman

....or 1 man and 2 women,....:D:rolleyes:

no, humping a bunch of people is called being Promiscuous

Hetero means 1 man + 1 woman

....or 1 man and 2 women,....:D

No it doesn't.........

No it doesn't.........One guy can fuck guys and still be hetero. It's a question of what's in the mind.

One guy can fuck guys and still be hetero. It's a question of what's in the mind.

Yeah, and you can love the idea of sucking big hard cocks and still be hetero.

One guy can fuck guys and still be hetero. It's a question of what's in the mind.

It's only gay if the balls touch ;)

It's only gay if the balls touch ;)

no swordfighting.

Just wondering.

As much as anyone is.

Yeah, and you can love the idea of sucking big hard cocks and still be hetero.

No, that wouldn't make you hetero, that would make you Republican. Just ask Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Bob Allen, Robert Bauman, Jon Hinson, Craig J. Spence, Paul Robert Balach, Charles K. Dutcher, James Guckert (aka Jeff Gannon), Paul Crouch, Mark Foley...

I'm heterosexual.

Personally I couldn't stand being gay. There's just nothing very appealing about men to me.

Now women, on the other hand...

Personally I couldn't stand being gay. There's just nothing very appealing about men to me.

If you were gay, men would be appealing to you. That's the whole point, Sherlock.

Hetero, so far as I know.

Well, the lesbians on this forum will be crying now. ;)

I'm hetro, and I like tomboys. I find that I'm not really attracted to the frilly girls, I like women who knows how to have fun! :D

If you were gay, men would be appealing to you. That's the whole point, Sherlock.

But what if they never tried it? They could try it once and decide that they like it.

But what if they never tried it? They could try it once and decide that they like it.

What?

If you were gay, men would be appealing to you. That's the whole point, Sherlock.

:D

I like women who knows how to have fun! :D

Define "fun."

Define "fun."

I like to be rough, they're going to have to learn how to be rough back. *nod*

If you were gay, men would be appealing to you. That's the whole point, Sherlock.

Yes, I know.

I'm gay but I ain't saying no to jay jays.
So I'm just a happy person who likes 'em both.

I'm gay but I ain't saying no to jay jays.
So I'm just a happy person who likes 'em both.

So, not gay then.

I'm hetrosexual.
Well i think that about does it for me here.

heterosexual means you like the oposite gender, compated to homosexual in which you like the same gender.

excuse me but there are other sexualities besides homosexual and heterosexual such as asexual(which is what i fall into)

Wait, how long have you been around here?
Only for about a week. However, I have been here long enough to have discovered Soviestan's interesting position, which I dare to summarize (charitably, I hope) as follows: "Men are better than women in every way. Just because I'd rather go down on an entire football team than a woman doesn't make me gay."

I thought that it was horrifyingly close to the position of lesbian separatists, "feminists" who choose to be lesbians on sexist grounds.

You beggars can't be choosers, true.
Quite so.

Just can't decide, eh?
"All genders" is a wonderful decision for people to take if they want to. :cool:

Only for about a week. However, I have been here long enough to have discovered Soviestan's interesting position, which I dare to summarize (charitably, I hope) as follows: "Men are better than women in every way. Just because I'd rather go down on an entire football team than a woman doesn't make me gay."

He outed himself in a thread some time later, if I recall correctly.

I thought that it was horrifyingly close to the position of lesbian separatists, "feminists" who choose to be lesbians on sexist grounds.

There's nothing "sexist" about their grounds. Their position is grounded in the fact that the dominant forms of heterosexuality in this society are warped by patriarchy. That's not a necessary feature of men or women--there's no assumption of natural inferiority, or anything like that--it's just the way our sexist society is structured.

Yeah, and you can love the idea of sucking big hard cocks and still be hetero.

Especially if you're a girl.

I think I'll identify as autosexual for now. Stay away from me other people, away, away!

He outed himself in a thread some time later, if I recall correctly.

Saddening, really, because I firmly believe that sexism is what makes homophobia possible, and that is a decidedly sexist, even misogynistic outlook.


There's nothing "sexist" about their grounds. Their position is grounded in the fact that the dominant forms of heterosexuality in this society are warped by patriarchy. That's not a necessary feature of men or women--there's no assumption of natural inferiority, or anything like that--it's just the way our sexist society is structured.
For those who hold the belief you describe, I agree. For those who choose to be lesbians on the grounds that males are doomed to be patriarchal, that they are essentially unredeemable, I would say that is a sexist outlook.

Saddening, really, because I firmly believe that sexism is what makes homophobia possible,

I'm not so sure. The ancient Greeks were decidedly sexist, but not particularly homophobic. Indeed, some of the strongest defenses of homosexuality in classical Greek literature are couched in sexist terms.

and that is a decidedly sexist, even misogynistic outlook.

As you describe it, it is. But I'm not sure where you're getting the first part--he definitely said the bit upon the football team, but I don't recall any misogynist reasoning behind it. (The fault may just be with my memory.)

For those who choose to be lesbians on the grounds that males are doomed to be patriarchal, that they are essentially unredeemable, I would say that is a sexist outlook.

I agree. But it's still not so simple, because it's not so unreasonable to not want to have to deal with tackling male sexism, when it's as powerful and as ingrained as it is.

Men aren't doomed to be sexist. Whites aren't doomed to be racist. Straight people aren't doomed to be homophobic. But after so much frustration in fighting the often uphill battle against such bigotry, separatism can seem a highly attractive option.

The problem with it is not so much with its principles as with its plausibility: in today's world, and in the case of gender and sexual orientation perhaps in any world, it just isn't going to happen. We're going to have to learn to live together, as equals, one way or another.

I'm not so sure. The ancient Greeks were decidedly sexist, but not particularly homophobic. Indeed, some of the strongest defenses of homosexuality in classical Greek literature are couched in sexist terms.

Well, it we accept for a moment that marriage inequality is a homophobic policy, I think there is something sexist about. "Shut up, you dyke. You can't marry that other woman." At any rate, homophobia and sexism are related, and I maintain that you can't tackle either without tackling both.


I agree. But it's still not so simple, because it's not so unreasonable to not want to have to deal with tackling male sexism, when it's as powerful and as ingrained as it is.

I am not saying that they have to want to deal with it.


Men aren't doomed to be sexist. Whites aren't doomed to be racist. Straight people aren't doomed to be homophobic. But after so much frustration in fighting the often uphill battle against such bigotry, separatism can seem a highly attractive option.

And it is a valid option for those who want to have their own separate communities on a voluntary basis. However, for those people to claim that men are unredeemable because they necessarily perpetuate patriarchy is a sexist view.

Also very saddening for me, because I consider myself a feminist man, and I'd like to think that I take living according to feminist principles seriously enough to be considered an ally.


The problem with it is not so much with its principles as with its plausibility: in today's world, and in the case of gender and sexual orientation perhaps in any world, it just isn't going to happen. We're going to have to learn to live together, as equals, one way or another.
I agree with you. And it's the not wanting to live together as equals and comrades that I find objectionable.

Well, it we accept for a moment that marriage inequality is a homophobic policy, I think there is something sexist about. "Shut up, you dyke. You can't marry that other woman."

But if this kind of reasoning were the source of homophobia, we would expect that prejudice against lesbians (who deny men sexual partners) would be much higher than prejudice against gay men (who reduce male competition for women). This does not, however, appear to be the case.

The more crucial connection between sexism and homophobia is through gender roles.

At any rate, homophobia and sexism are related, and I maintain that you can't tackle either without tackling both.

In this society, the way the feminist and gay liberation movements have emerged, you're probably right. But I think this has much more to do with the way homophobia and sexism function in our society than any intrinsic connection between the two.

However, for those people to claim that men are unredeemable because they necessarily perpetuate patriarchy is a sexist view.

You're right, it is. It's just that it's also not a view that has had much of any traction at all. Even the most extreme feminists have ardently opposed the notion that male sexism is natural. It runs against the entire direction of feminist ideology.

Also very saddening for me, because I consider myself a feminist man, and I'd like to think that I take living according to feminist principles seriously enough to be considered an ally.

Fair enough, but as feminist men we should recognize that we, too, are not immune to sexism, even as we are participants in the struggle against it.

Yes, I am heterosexual. What kind of question is that anyway? Being heterosexual is the default mode for mankind.

Gays/lesbians/bisexuals are minorities. They are, as Reverend Wright would say, "not deficient, just different!"

There seem to be a disproportionate amount of gays/lesbians/bisexuals on NSG with respect to the general population.

Interesting.

Yes, I am heterosexual.

*tackles you*

*tackles you*

*stiff arms Bann-ed*

*stiff arms Bann-ed*

I was tackling you in a completely non-sexual way and you still break out the innuendo.

What the hell man.. what the hell..

I was tackling you in a completely non-sexual way and you still break out the innuendo.

What the hell man.. what the hell..

lulz

Throws flag for unnecessary roughness, call for 5 yard penalty.

Throws flag for unnecessary roughness, call for 5 yard penalty.

If you want in on this just jump right on. And leave me out of it.

And holy lurker batman!

Well, I saw an off-side tackle, a 'stiff arm' attempt to break the tackle, and I had some flagging tape handy....
:) :) :)

(Guess, I'll go back to lurking now, mind the rules of foot-ball when using analogies and all that.....)

I like men. I use the term "gay" to describe myself because it's easy and en vogue. I do believe that sexuality is a spectrum, though- these terms aren't very good at describing where humans lie.

For example, I do find certain women attractive- beautiful, etc. I don't find them sexually appealing, though. I suppose if I tried hard enough I could make love to a woman, but I simply don't find it appealing or desirable.

The reason I use the word gay is because it applies to my situation. I'm open about my desires and life, and I associate with the other homosexuals where I live and form the community.

So, to summarize a long and unnecessary post- I'm homosexual, gay, and about a 5 on the Kinsey Scale.

So, to summarize a long and unnecessary post- I'm homosexual, gay, and about a 5 on the Kinsey Scale.

Damn.. I'm only a 0.

But I joke about it a lot and sometimes indeliberately mislead straight people, so I think I deserve at least a .5

Yes I am

Hmm...question for you all:

Does "-sexuality" only imply who you want to have sex with? What about wanting to develop a stable, long-term relationship? Can you prefer to have sex with the same sex but prefer to spend your life with the opposite sex; or prefer to have sex with the opposite sex but prefer to spend your life with the same sex?

Hmm...question for you all:
Does "-sexuality" only imply who you want to have sex with?
As far as I know.
What about wanting to develop a stable, long-term relationship? Can you prefer to have sex with the same sex but prefer to spend your life with the opposite sex; or prefer to have sex with the opposite sex but prefer to spend your life with the same sex?
I'm sure you can do all that...and more.

Hmm...question for you all:

Does "-sexuality" only imply who you want to have sex with? What about wanting to develop a stable, long-term relationship? Can you prefer to have sex with the same sex but prefer to spend your life with the opposite sex; or prefer to have sex with the opposite sex but prefer to spend your life with the same sex?

I am of the opinion it refers to sexual desire. The desire for a relationship is usually tied to sexual desire, but not always, as evidence proves. I see no reason why your examples would be invalid- some might find it difficult, but everyone is different.

I like to be rough, they're going to have to learn how to be rough back. *nod*

One of the things that I like more about guys than girls: I don't have to worry about breaking them. I mean, okay, I suppose if I was with a really fragile guy, maybe, but in general.

I'm gay but I ain't saying no to jay jays.
So I'm just a happy person who likes 'em both.

So you're like a 4 or 5 on the scale or something? I always find it interesting when people interested to some degree in both sexes identify as gay or straight. It's just not cool to be bi. :(

"Just because I'd rather go down on an entire football team than a woman doesn't make me gay."

Interestingly, I have heard guys say (mostly when I was in high school) that they wouldn't go down on a girl cause it was "gay". If you're a guy, I don't know if I could think of anything less gay.

I thought that it was horrifyingly close to the position of lesbian separatists, "feminists" who choose to be lesbians on sexist grounds.

I detest sexism in all forms, and sexism from fellow feminists is no better than the rest. I don't feel like who I sleep with is a political decision, I think it's a hormonal decision. But that's me.

For example, I do find certain women attractive- beautiful, etc. I don't find them sexually appealing, though. I suppose if I tried hard enough I could make love to a woman, but I simply don't find it appealing or desirable.

So, to summarize a long and unnecessary post- I'm homosexual, gay, and about a 5 on the Kinsey Scale.

I don't think you have to be attracted to someone to find them beautiful. And someone should totally make a poll with the Kinsey scale on it. I'm about a 2.

Interestingly, I have heard guys say (mostly when I was in high school) that they wouldn't go down on a girl cause it was "gay". If you're a guy, I don't know if I could think of anything less gay.


Hah!
More for me.

Not really...:(

Yes.

Throws flag for unnecessary roughness, call for 5 yard penalty.
Sweet. Run the play again. Time for the "shotgun" position. :)


So, to summarize a long and unnecessary post- I'm homosexual, gay, and about a 5 on the Kinsey Scale.

Wait, that's cool and everything. I'm just having difficulty understanding how homosexual and gay are different the way you use them.

Damn.. I'm only a 0.

But I joke about it a lot and sometimes indeliberately mislead straight people, so I think I deserve at least a .5
Doing it for the lulz?

And, thank goodness you don't deliberatley mislead queers.


One of the things that I like more about guys than girls: I don't have to worry about breaking them. I mean, okay, I suppose if I was with a really fragile guy, maybe, but in general.

Hehe, that's kind of funny. I wouldn't expect a woman to say that.


Interestingly, I have heard guys say (mostly when I was in high school) that they wouldn't go down on a girl cause it was "gay". If you're a guy, I don't know if I could think of anything less gay.

Wow. I've seen some WTF material, but that's quite impressive.


I detest sexism in all forms, and sexism from fellow feminists is no better than the rest. I don't feel like who I sleep with is a political decision, I think it's a hormonal decision. But that's me.

I would think that being a political queer would kind of suck and take the whole enjoyment out of being queer. Imagine this: "Oh yeah, I'm going to enjoy my sexuality to make a statement! So there. Try and stop me, even though you don't see what I'm doing. Ever. HA!"


I don't think you have to be attracted to someone to find them beautiful. And someone should totally make a poll with the Kinsey scale on it. I'm about a 2.
One of us should, but I want to give it a rest first, because there are two threads alive that more or less center on queerness, so I think it's worth leaving for a bit. I don't want this to be a metaphorical premature ejaculation.

And for the lulz,

New Kinsey scale:

0-Straight
1-Two beers and I'm queer
2-One beer and I'm queer
3-Bisexual
4-One beer and I'm straight
5-Two beers and I'm straight
6-Homosexual

What do you think?

And for the lulz,

New Kinsey scale:

0-Straight
1-Two beers and I'm queer
2-One beer and I'm queer
3-Bisexual
4-One beer and I'm straight
5-Two beers and I'm straight
6-Homosexual

What do you think?

I like it!

Yep, I'm definitely heterosexual.

No, thank god. It was some greek philosopher(not sure which one) who said homosexual love and attraction is superior because it is among equals. Something to think about...

Wait, that's cool and everything. I'm just having difficulty understanding how homosexual and gay are different the way you use them.

Well, it's a little nebulous and confusing, because that's what sexuality is... the term homosexual refers to sexual attraction- specifically to one of the same sex. Kinsey's scale is a measure of (roughly) how "homosexual" one is (save your complaints about Kinsey's method for elsewhere).

The word "gay" is one that refers to a specific person, a specific "lifestyle" for lack of a better word. The gay community, the gay man, etc. etc..

Some men have homosexual feelings or engage in homosexual sex; this doesn't make them gay-- it makes them homosexual. Gay is just a term used to describe homosexuals.

I think that's clearer, right?

No, thank god. It was some greek philosopher(not sure which one) who said homosexual love and attraction is superior because it is among equals. Something to think about...

Eh. Considering that women were about equal to farm animals in those times, it's not much of a testament to homosexuality that it would be "among equals." ;) The quote is probably from Plato's "Symposium."

Hah!
More for me.

Not really...:(

Put it on a business card with your number and start handing them out. You'll get calls. ;)

Hehe, that's kind of funny. I wouldn't expect a woman to say that.

That's cause we're supposed to be delicate, virginal flowers or something. :rolleyes: The line between "slut" and "tease" in this society (American society, anyway) is too fine for me to walk. :p

Wow. I've seen some WTF material, but that's quite impressive.

Right? I don't get boys.

New Kinsey scale:

0-Straight
1-Two beers and I'm queer
2-One beer and I'm queer
3-Bisexual
4-One beer and I'm straight
5-Two beers and I'm straight
6-Homosexual

Make it a poster. Display on all college campuses.

@Bann-ed: "That's cause we're supposed to be delicate, virginal flowers or something. The line between "slut" and "tease" in this society (American society, anyway) is too fine for me to walk."

Uh ohes. Original bit disappeared. Edit? Anyway, that's not what I took myself to be saying. If I were a woman, I might not appreciate that kind of think being said about my sex.

"Right? I don't get boys."

Neither do I, which kind of sucks seeing as I am one.

Goddamn, we've got almost 30% gays here.

IIRC, they're only about 10% of the population. Is there something about NSG that attracts gay people?

Goddamn, we've got almost 30% gays here.

IIRC, they're only about 10% of the population. Is there something about NSG that attracts gay people?
I think you under-estimate the Radical Homosexual Agenda. Clearly, we are infecting everyone with The Ghey.

Or it's also possible that the same composition of people are in NSG, but queers find this thread interesting.

@Bann-ed: "That's cause we're supposed to be delicate, virginal flowers or something. The line between "slut" and "tease" in this society (American society, anyway) is too fine for me to walk."

Uh ohes. Original bit disappeared. Edit? Anyway, that's not what I took myself to be saying. If I were a woman, I might not appreciate that kind of think being said about my sex.

Ack, messed up my tags. That's what I was saying--that society expects us to fit ourselves into some tiny little space between "slut" and "tease". Can't talk too much about sex/want sex/enjoy sex, you're a slut. Can't be too "easy", but can't put up too much of a fight, either, or you're a tease. That leaves a very thin line to walk, and personally, I think it's a waste of time that could be better used taking off clothes.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

gay ---------- straight

I think most people are 8's 9's. If you're 8 or higher, you can essentially consider yourself heterosexual.

Ack, messed up my tags. That's what I was saying--that society expects us to fit ourselves into some tiny little space between "slut" and "tease". Can't talk too much about sex/want sex/enjoy sex, you're a slut. Can't be too "easy", but can't put up too much of a fight, either, or you're a tease.

Moving goal posts FTW?


That leaves a very thin line to walk, and personally, I think it's a waste of time that could be better used taking off clothes.
True.

Yes'm. Women are divine, so sleek and sexy. Men, on the other hand, are lumpy and awkward.

^

i personally don't give a rat what anyone does or does not go to bed with, where, when or how often. personally also, i don't find same gender sex attractive. to me. but that's the whole begining and end of it as far as i'm concerned.

=^^=
.../\...

Yes'm. Women are divine, so sleek and sexy. Men, on the other hand, are lumpy and awkward.

Totally agree

No, thank god. It was some greek philosopher(not sure which one) who said homosexual love and attraction is superior because it is among equals. Something to think about...

It's kind of sad to think about. You shouldn't feel inferior to women.

Goddamn, we've got almost 30% gays here.

IIRC, they're only about 10% of the population. Is there something about NSG that attracts gay people?

Heterosexual and homosexual are not the only possibilities. The 'No' in this poll encompasses more than homosexuals.

8.5 - 9 ish on the old Kinsey scale. Normally hetero, but I've seen a couple of shemales I'd nail while drunk and not say anything about to my crew.

8.5 - 9 ish on the old Kinsey scale. Normally hetero, but I've seen a couple of shemales I'd nail while drunk and not say anything about to my crew.

I was sure that scale only went up to a six?


To the main question, no.

Straight. Pity really, I only get queer offers.

Straight. Pity really, I only get queer offers.But they are flattering.

But they are flattering.

Not when its a gay lapdance that ends up on the internet.

Not when its a gay lapdance that ends up on the internet.That goes a bit beyond "offer".

That goes a bit beyond "offer".

In my defence it was for a bet about who was more comfortable with their sexuality. Thankfully there were plenty of girls about to distract me.

Just wondering.

I'm in an exclusive heterosexual relationship if that's what you mean.

It's kind of sad to think about. You shouldn't feel inferior to women.
Shoosh.

I couldn't think of anything similarly witty at the time.

4-4;13669435']I was sure that scale only went up to a six?

Yeah, I was thinking of the six-point scale too.

0:STRAIGHT - open to NO experimentation
1:STRAIGHT - open to SOME experimentation
2:BI - leaning more towards STRAIGHT
3:BI - equally hetero and homo
4:BI - leaning more towards GAY
5:GAY - open to SOME experimentation
6:GAY - open to NO experimentation
x:ASEXUAL

At least, that's what I remember.

Hey - a poll on this would be cool!

Kinsey scale it's called.

Wiki is your friend:

Rating Description
0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual
X Asexual

I like boobies.

I like boobies.
How do you feel about man boobies?

How do you feel about man boobies?

Not so good.:p

Doing it for the lulz?

And, thank goodness you don't deliberatley mislead queers.Bann-ed is a tease! *cries*

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

gay ---------- straight

I think most people are 8's 9's. If you're 8 or higher, you can essentially consider yourself heterosexual.

I is reatard.

Yes'm. Women are divine, so sleek and sexy. Men, on the other hand, are lumpy and awkward.

Men are beautiful.

One guy can fuck guys and still be hetero. It's a question of what's in the mind.

You can occasionally experiment with men without the intention of being in a relationship with them and still be predominantly straight, but you simply can't be constantly attracted (and often acting upon that attraction) and call yourself exclusively straight.

Personally I couldn't stand being gay. There's just nothing very appealing about men to me.

Well clearly if you don't find anything appealing about men, you're not gay, so there's no issue.

Wiki is your friend:

Rating Description
0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual
X Asexual

I suppose I'd be a 1.

I like boobies.

Yes, boobies are nice, aren't they?

Nope, I'm bisexual.

That's just plain greed! ;)

Heterosexual means to do it with a variety of people, right?

um...no, sorry. It means unlike-sexual (man loves woman, and woman loves man, nothing else) You're thinking of Bi- or Pan- Sexual (Pan- is normally just called Bi-, because Pansexualism is insanely rare).

No it doesn't.........

how so? (ok, the second bit of that was a bit far, but it still holds true as far as I'm concerned)

Yes. I am male and I am sexually attracted exclusively to females.

There seem to be a disproportionate amount of gays/lesbians/bisexuals on NSG with respect to the general population.

Interesting.

I doubt the percentage is off in NSG, but rather here. Many GLBTQI would be more interested in this thread than there hetero counterparts. So the straight people are just glossing over this thread, the homophobes generally run screaming, and we GLBTQI people jump at this thread.

Only sometimes. Depends who's in the room with me.

Yes, I'm Heterosexual, I would only become romantically involved with men. I do sometimes become attracted to certain females. I wouldn't become romantically involved with people of my same sex though.

Yes, I'm Heterosexual, I would only become romantically involved with men. I do sometimes become attracted to certain females. I wouldn't become romantically involved with people of my same sex though.

So, just for the sex then?
;)

Something that causes a lot of confusion because of the sensitivity of all this is that sometimes I see a guy like, say, the actor who plays Apollo on Battlestar Galactica. I can say 'hey he's a good looking guy' with no homosexual connotations whatsoever. I can admire his looks or physique in the same way I can admire an swesome looking car. I can appreciate its beauty wi thout wanting to have sex with it.

In fact, I can take it a step further and say 'hey he looks great. I wish I had a chest like his' in the same way I can say 'That's an awesome 'vette. I want to save up and get one too.'

Just wondering.

If so, you're a homophobe....

So, just for the sex then?
;)

You could say that.:p

You could say that.:p

Yes, there's still hope! ;)

Yes, there's still hope! ;)

Ein?:p

Ein?:p

I think she's looking for a one night stand with you...

*thinks about Nanatsu & Ryadn*

excuse me...

*rushes off to take a cold shower*

I think she's looking for a one night stand with you...

*thinks about Nanatsu & Ryadn*

excuse me...

*rushes off to take a cold shower*

Is she now? Cool.

Ryadn, gimme a call.;)

*chuckles*

That's just plain greed! ;)

It's not greedy. It's sharing!

I think men and women are attractive in their own ways. I am an equal opportunity lover.

Jawohl.

I think men and women are attractive in their own ways. I am an equal opportunity lover.
Right on. :fluffle:

Right on. :fluffle:

Let the fluffles begin! :fluffle:

;)

Let the fluffles begin! :fluffle:

;)

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

Yeah yeah, keep it up, guys, but you'll be sorry when Grainne takes his clothes off.

So very sorry...

Yeah yeah, keep it up, guys, but you'll be sorry when Grainne takes his clothes off.

So very sorry...

If she or he looks anything like the Mórrigan, I´ll call it quits.:(

If she or he looks anything like the Mórrigan, I´ll call it quits.:(

I honestly have no idea. :p

Yeah yeah, keep it up, guys, but you'll be sorry when Grainne takes his clothes off.

So very sorry...

Umm... I am a woman. Which does not necessarily mean they won't be sorry when I take my clothes off, but at least give me credit where credit is due.

:fluffle:

Umm... I am a woman. Which does not necessarily mean they won't be sorry when I take my clothes off, but at least give me credit where credit is due.

:fluffle:

Wait. I thought you were a guy.

Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else here.

Yeah yeah, keep it up, guys, but you'll be sorry when Grainne takes his clothes off.

So very sorry...
I have a feeling that when Grainne takes her clothes off, keeping it up won't be a problem... :p

Wait. I thought you were a guy.

Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else here.

Definitely NOT a guy, the chest region certainly gives me away. Though sometimes I wish I were a guy... if just for one day.

Definitely NOT a guy, the chest region certainly gives me away. Though sometimes I wish I were a guy... if just for one day.

Let me guess: You'd like to try your hand at writing your name in the snow. I gotchas.

Umm... I am a woman. Which does not necessarily mean they won't be sorry when I take my clothes off, but at least give me credit where credit is due.

Gives Grianne credit for being a woman....

:fluffle:
:fluffle::fluffle:
:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:
:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

I have a feeling that when Grainne takes her clothes off, keeping it up won't be a problem... :p

Oh see, I adore you! You get extra fluffleage from me.

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

I have a feeling that when Grainne takes her clothes off, keeping it up won't be a problem... :p

But I wonder if she's worthy of the 7.5.

Personality's already clinched it, but looks are important too, damnit.

Yes'm. Women are divine, so sleek and sexy. Men, on the other hand, are lumpy and awkward.
QFT I say, ye I'm not attracted to men. Even though I'm 17, I was only in love once (as in, real love, without realising XD) and that was a girl alright.

Let me guess: You'd like to try your hand at writing your name in the snow. I gotchas.

Actually, I could probably do that given enough practice, but I wouldn't want to try. There are other, more complex reasons that I will not share due to the lack of a G-rating on that particular thought processs -forever itchy balls is not part of the reason either.

Gives Grianne credit for being a woman....

-snip fluffle pyramid of perviness-

You're one creepy-ass mother fucker. :p

But I wonder if she's worthy of the 7.5.

Personality's already clinched it, but looks are important too, damnit.

I don't know about that. There's a slightly outdated pic of me in the player's information. I'm a bit younger in it, but I am well preserved and still look pretty much the same... add a little pudge, but that's me.

forever itchy balls is not part of the reason either.

Now why the hell would that be a reason to want to be a guy? That's just... That's just disturbing.

You're one creepy-ass mother fucker. :p

He is, but I would have him no other way. (sleazo and creepo emotes included):D

But I wonder if she's worthy of the 7.5.

Personality's already clinched it, but looks are important too, damnit.

ah, but for me, if she's having fun, I'll have fun. It's true for almost every other activity, so why not for some friendly predawn horizontal insertion...

I don't know about that. There's a slightly outdated pic of me in the player's information. I'm a bit younger in it, but I am well preserved and still look pretty much the same... add a little pudge, but that's me.

You're worthy.

Well, you would be, but you have the kid and all, so meh. :p

You're one creepy-ass mother fucker. :p

... well... I, for one, haven't seen Dyakovo's ass, so I really can't comment on how creepy it is... :p

... well... I, for one, haven't seen Dyakovo's ass, so I really can't comment on how creepy it is... :p

Well, I figure he's a creepy-ass guy, and asses are creepier than people as a whole by nature, so one would make the assumption that his ass itself is creepy beyond imagination.

And that's one truly god-awful mental image...

You're worthy.

Well, you would be, but you have the kid and all, so meh. :p

Um... thank you? He's 13 now. Not that this fact helps my case... nor do I really have a case to argue. :D

Um... thank you? He's 13 now. Not that this fact helps my case... nor do I really have a case to argue. :D

Then we have come to an understanding.

*nods*



I certainly hope most of you realise I'm being dry here.

I certainly hope most of you realise I'm being dry here.

We noticed, dearie.

We noticed, dearie.

I'm glad. I just wanted that reassurance, so as to avoid future awkwardness.

Im straight...but to be honest id love to be bisexual...just imagine walking into a bar and fancying everyone...so many options haha ;)

I'm glad. I just wanted that reassurance, so as to avoid future awkwardness.

*pats Potty in the head*
There there. Want Nanatsu to sing you the ¨Culebre¨ song and put you to sleep?:p

If so, you're a homophobe....

wait, what? how does asking a simple question make someone a homophobe? It's not the question thaqt you should pay attention to, but rather the reaction.

To put it tactfully, I am as queer as a three dollar bill.

In all seriousness, I do think of myself as gay. I'd say a 5 on the Kinsey Scale. I find certain women beautiful, but the thought of doing anything sexual with a woman makes me cringe.

With men on the other hand... well, let's just say there won't be so much cringing.

Miserable poll choices. FTL.

Is she now? Cool.

Ryadn, gimme a call.;)

*chuckles*

*siiigh* It would be so romantic until the phone bill arrived...

Im straight...but to be honest id love to be bisexual...just imagine walking into a bar and fancying everyone...so many options haha ;)

You'd think so, but it's so much trickier than that. Especially (in my admittedly limited opinion) as a bi woman, because 1) you can't frickin tell if most girls are interested or not, and 2) if you CAN tell a girl's interested, there's a good chance it's just because she wants to turn some guy on.

You'd think so, but it's so much trickier than that. Especially (in my admittedly limited opinion) as a bi woman, because 1) you can't frickin tell if most girls are interested or not, and 2) if you CAN tell a girl's interested, there's a good chance it's just because she wants to turn some guy on.
Interesting. I had never considered that. I can definitely relate to (1), and as for (2), well, it must be really frustrating to have to deal with "social lesbians." I always felt sorry for lesbians and bi women because I've seen straight women send some pretty ambiguous signals.

so as to avoid future awkwardness.
Meh ... as in, this post? :p

Yep, and proud of it.

Thank all that I hold holy I'm not heterosexual!

Meh ... as in, this post? :p

I said future, not present. :p

*pats Potty in the head*
There there. Want Nanatsu to sing you the ¨Culebre¨ song and put you to sleep?:p

I threw up twice last week. I don't exactly want to do it again already. :p

Wow. The poll numbers are surprisingly round at the moment. 200-70.

I threw up twice last week. I don't exactly want to do it again already. :p

Suit yourself.

*siiigh* It would be so romantic until the phone bill arrived...

*nods sadly* Yes....

Yep, and proud of it.

I never understood this, to be honest.... how can people be 'proud' of something they have absolutely no control over...

Yay, I'm straight... go me!!!

?

I'm glad. I just wanted that reassurance, so as to avoid future awkwardness.

Heh. This reminds me of that time you were trying to hit on Grainne....

I never understood this, to be honest.... how can people be 'proud' of something they have absolutely no control over...

Yay, I'm straight... go me!!!

?
I don't understand it either. It makes about as much sense as "Yay, I'm gay/bi/trans/a lesbian... go me!!!"

I don't understand it either. It makes about as much sense as "Yay, I'm gay/bi/trans/a lesbian... go me!!!"

Well.. slightly less actually. After all, saying you are "different" from the majority requires some guts - although the pride should then not lie with the being but with the daring to say.

If the numbers are to believed, 25% of the people on this board are unstraight. Interesting... very, very interesting...

Well.. slightly less actually. After all, saying you are "different" from the majority requires some guts - although the pride should then not lie with the being but with the daring to say.
True, but I have found that the coming out process is not exactly that difficult. Then again, I was fortunate enough to have parents who won't attempt to murder me by kicking me out of the house.

If the numbers are to believed, 25% of the people on this board are unstraight. Interesting... very, very interesting...
Perhaps the Plan to infect everyone with Teh Ghey is working.

I don't understand it either. It makes about as much sense as "Yay, I'm gay/bi/trans/a lesbian... go me!!!"

Agreed.

*siiigh* It would be so romantic until the phone bill arrived...
Call collect?
You'd think so, but it's so much trickier than that. Especially (in my admittedly limited opinion) as a bi woman, because 1) you can't frickin tell if most girls are interested or not, and 2) if you CAN tell a girl's interested, there's a good chance it's just because she wants to turn some guy on.
Hmmmm, never thought about that...

Call collect?

lol. Then you could just imagine Nanatsu saying it instead.

I probably fit into the majority here on NS....heterosexual but tolerates homosexuality. I have no problem with it whatsoever, and I think that they should have the right to civil unions with fully equal benefits as marriage.

I probably fit into the majority here on NS....heterosexual but tolerates homosexuality. I have no problem with it whatsoever, and I think that they should have the right to civil unions with fully equal benefits as marriage.
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Why not marriage for them then?

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Why not marriage for them then?
First, there is a thread for this. This is not that thread.

Second, I am not here to quibble about what we call the collection of legal rights. We can call it the institution of Tiddlie-Winkle and say that to establish a permanent union between two adult women or two adult men is called "getting tiddlie-winkled," for all I care. Those of us in the minority being humiliated and subjected to injustice by the lack of these rights don't give a shit about anything but the status of the rights.

I never understood this, to be honest.... how can people be 'proud' of something they have absolutely no control over...

Yay, I'm straight... go me!!!

?

We don't say that we're proud as in we go about beaming and braging, as though it were an accomplishment. It more means that we're not ashamed of who we are, and we really don't care if you don't like it. It also means we're willing to stand up for our rights, instead of just taking it lying down.

It also means we're willing to stand up for our rights, instead of just taking it lying down.
I object! Some of us like to take it laying down.

True, but I have found that the coming out process is not exactly that difficult. Then again, I was fortunate enough to have parents who won't attempt to murder me by kicking me out of the house.

Lucky, lucky you. My parents didn't actually kick me out of the house. Instead they just tried to take me to a psychologist, and when I refused, they just tried their own version of conversion therapy (didn't really work all that well :rolleyes:). Now they just try to stiffle me by [tryingt to] keep me away from anybody I have a chance with.

Lucky, lucky you. My parents didn't actually kick me out of the house. Instead they just tried to take me to a psychologist, and when I refused, they just tried their own version of conversion therapy (didn't really work all that well :rolleyes:). Now they just try to stiffle me by [tryingt to] keep me away from anybody I have a chance with.
Wow, that really sucks. :(

I object! Some of us like to take it laying down.

*akward silence....*

Wow, that really sucks. :(

Southern, roman catholic parents living in as small, northern town. Compared to what would be expected, I'm livin' the good life. :headbang:

We don't say that we're proud as in we go about beaming and braging, as though it were an accomplishment. It more means that we're not ashamed of who we are, and we really don't care if you don't like it. It also means we're willing to stand up for our rights, instead of just taking it lying down.

I'm straight... and I am not ashamed of who I am... nor ashamed of anyone else for their sexuality. I don't care if anyone else likes my sexuality, nor if anyone else likes anyone else's sexuality. I'm willing to stand up for my 'rights'. I'm willing to stand up for anyone else's 'rights'.

'Proud' doesn't seem to fit any of those things.

Heh. This reminds me of that time you were trying to hit on Grainne....

That's alright, I like the abuse... oh wait, you meant... oh!

;)

I'd say so, that is I define sexuality by roles, not by gender.


A convincing tranny to me is just as good as a woman lol!

I chose yes, but quite frankly, it's been so long since I've been with someone, I can't really recall...:eek:

Though I've been with other women a couple of times, I consider myself hetero. I've always prefered men and don't really lust after women unless I already have a strong emotional attachment. Men I lust after on first glance.








(AKA Bitchkitten)

I'm straight... and I am not ashamed of who I am...
Bully for you. Nobody's made an effort to MAKE you feel ashamed. That's why you don't understand "pride".

Bully for you. Nobody's made an effort to MAKE you feel ashamed. That's why you don't understand "pride".

No - that's not it at all. I don't see the point in being 'proud' of something I didn't do, and have no control over. It seems vicarious, at best.

No - that's not it at all. I don't see the point in being 'proud' of something I didn't do, and have no control over. It seems vicarious, at best.

Pride doesn't, nessecerily imlpy action or responsibility over the object of the pride. One can be proud about personal qualities, and pride is just satisfaction of it, or feeling justified in it. It also doesn't imply celebrating it either (I, to, don't go around saying "yay me, I'm gay!!"). Even though I don't know you, I can say that you're probably proud to be straight, you just can't tell, because you have nothing to contrast it against (can someone ever comprehend the darkness of night, if they've never seen the light of day [metaphore, so please don't bring up the moon, it's not literal]). non-hertero's, who have ever interacted with someone who didn't except them, and gave them a hard time, can see the contrast of being proud vs. not being proud.

No - that's not it at all. I don't see the point in being 'proud' of something I didn't do, and have no control over. It seems vicarious, at best.

Pride doesn't, nessecerily imlpy action or responsibility over the object of the pride. One can be proud about personal qualities, and pride is just satisfaction of it, or feeling justified in it. It also doesn't imply celebrating it either (I, to, don't go around saying "yay me, I'm gay!!"). Even though I don't know you, I can say that you're probably proud to be straight, you just can't tell, because you have nothing to contrast it against (can someone ever comprehend the darkness of night, if they've never seen the light of day [metaphore, so please don't bring up the moon, it's not literal]). non-hertero's, who have ever interacted with someone who didn't except them, and gave them a hard time, can see the contrast of being proud vs. not being proud.

Pride doesn't, nessecerily imlpy action or responsibility over the object of the pride. One can be proud about personal qualities, and pride is just satisfaction of it, or feeling justified in it. It also doesn't imply celebrating it either (I, to, don't go around saying "yay me, I'm gay!!"). Even though I don't know you, I can say that you're probably proud to be straight, you just can't tell, because you have nothing to contrast it against (can someone ever comprehend the darkness of night, if they've never seen the light of day [metaphore, so please don't bring up the moon, it's not literal]). non-hertero's, who have ever interacted with someone who didn't except them, and gave them a hard time, can see the contrast of being proud vs. not being proud.

I'm proud, but I don't know it?

So now.. pride is something other than action, responsibility, celebrating something... of our own ability to experience?

How exactly DO you define pride then?

I'm not 'proud' to be straight. I am the way I am. Being 'proud' of that seems nonsensical to me... like being proud of being white, or blond.

There are small minded people in the gay community, too - and I've had to put up with their stupidity from time to time, so it's not like I've never had to confront anything. I really am not entirely sure what you're trying to say, I think.

haha I like that 1/4 NSGers is apparently queer. I wish we had those odds in the general populace...make dating a hell of a lot easier haha

haha I like that 1/4 NSGers is apparently queer. I wish we had those odds in the general populace...make dating a hell of a lot easier haha

Those odds might well exist in the general populace. People are more willing to admit things under cover of anonymity than they are in public.

Yes.

Call collect?

Oy, call collect from the States? She'd never speak to me again! Or... even for a first time.

We don't say that we're proud as in we go about beaming and bragging, as though it were an accomplishment. It more means that we're not ashamed of who we are, and we really don't care if you don't like it. It also means we're willing to stand up for our rights, instead of just taking it lying down.

Exactly. I think "pride" isn't precisely the right word, but "Unashamed Parade" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

I object! Some of us like to take it laying down.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking that and giggling.

Those odds might well exist in the general populace. People are more willing to admit things under cover of anonymity than they are in public.

QFT. The numbers would probably be higher as well if people allowed even themselves to think about such things, let alone say them.

Those odds might well exist in the general populace. People are more willing to admit things under cover of anonymity than they are in public.

Even moreso since they're more likely to be flirtatious in outrageous ways if they weren't actually confronted with an actual physical presence. :p

It's as stupid as asking "Do you have both your kidneys?", "You don't have Tuberculosis?".

It's as stupid as asking "Do you have both your kidneys?", "You don't have Tuberculosis?".

2-5% of the population has TB? Seriously? That's upsetting.

I'm not heterosexual or homosexual

Exactly. I think "pride" isn't precisely the right word, but "Unashamed Parade" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

And if we call ourselves "shameless" it will give totally the wrong impression :p

Those odds might well exist in the general populace. People are more willing to admit things under cover of anonymity than they are in public.

or under cover of the bed sheets, but it's all good... right? :p

I'm proud, but I don't know it?

Yes.

So now.. pride is something other than action, responsibility, celebrating something... of our own ability to experience?

How exactly DO you define pride then?

"Pride: n. High opinion of ones's own qualities" (Oxford American Dictionary)

There are small minded people in the gay community, too - and I've had to put up with their stupidity from time to time, so it's not like I've never had to confront anything. I really am not entirely sure what you're trying to say, I think.

Certainly you've had confrentations, but they've never made you doubt yourself, have they? Has anybody ever tried to make you feel wrong, or not worthy, because you're straight? If they have, has it ever remotely touched you? If you could answer "yes" to any of these, you would understand what I'm saying. You've never been hurt, so your pride has never surfaced, so you would be unaware that it's there. But I still think it is hidden in you, and feel lucky that you've never had to bring out your pride.

I want to know what causes homosexuality. Everything has a cause, and knowing that helps us understand it.

I want to know what causes homosexuality. Everything has a cause, and knowing that helps us understand it.

You and the rest of the world. The only thing we really know is that it's not a conscious decision, and that it's not a mental illness. Beyond that, there are thousands of explinations, ranging from genetics to behavioral psychology.

I want to know what causes homosexuality. Everything has a cause, and knowing that helps us understand it.

Who cares? It's not like it is something that needs to be cured.

Who cares? It's not like it is something that needs to be cured.

Nor bisexuality. Variety´s the spice of life, I say.:D

Who cares? It's not like it is something that needs to be cured.It would be kind of cool if you could give it to other people though.
*breathes on Dukeburyshire*

"Pride: n. High opinion of ones's own qualities" (Oxford American Dictionary)


You have a 'high opinion of' your sexuality? That makes no sense. Sex is sex. Sex is good... we all know this, but sexuality is just... well, it just is. No sexuality is 'better' than the rest. No sexuality is worthy of a 'high opinion'.


Certainly you've had confrentations, but they've never made you doubt yourself, have they? Has anybody ever tried to make you feel wrong, or not worthy, because you're straight? If they have, has it ever remotely touched you? If you could answer "yes" to any of these, you would understand what I'm saying. You've never been hurt, so your pride has never surfaced, so you would be unaware that it's there. But I still think it is hidden in you, and feel lucky that you've never had to bring out your pride.

They've never made me doubt myself, no. I don't see how that connects. When I've faced violence - on my own behalf - or on the behalf of others, it's never made me doubt my sexuality. When someone has tried to make me feel 'wrong' about my sexuality, I've told them to go fuck themselves. When someone has tried to make me feel unworthy, I've told them to go fuck themselves.

Has it ever touched me? No - of course not, I'm not in charge of my sexuality any more than I am of my height.

I'm not saying anyone should be ashamed of their sexuality, but it's nothing to be proud of... unless you are also proud of your height, the colour of your eyes, and all the other legacies of generations past that you have no influence or control over.

Just wondering.

I don't know.

Nor bisexuality. Variety´s the spice of life, I say.:D

Are you saying my Paprika spice is in some way bisexual?
i have noticed the way it faces the cinnamon, and i wonder sometimes what it gets up to when i'm not looking.
I think it would be odd if household spices could have sex with each other, i mean what would you do if one of them died?

Who cares? It's not like it is something that needs to be cured.

Can understanding not be an end unto itself?

We don't need to cure blue eyes, but I find it interesting to find out why I have them. We don't need to cure left-handedness, but it's pretty cool to figure out what makes some people left-handed and others right-handed.


I'm not saying anyone should be ashamed of their sexuality, but it's nothing to be proud of... unless you are also proud of your height, the colour of your eyes, and all the other legacies of generations past that you have no influence or control over.

There are different uses of the word pride. In some instances, it is used to refer to the absence of shame. When a particular group is targeted and told that they should be ashamed of something about themselves, it makes sense for them to fight back with this sort of pride - to stand up and say "I am not going to be ashamed of this. It is part of who I am and I see no problem with it."

From Mirriam Webster:


1: the quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self-esteem : conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self-respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship <parental pride> 2: proud or disdainful behavior or treatment : disdain3 a: ostentatious display b: highest pitch : prime4: a source of pride : the best in a group or class5: a company of lions6: a showy or impressive group <a pride of dancers>

I think the bolded is really what is being referred to when we discuss pride in the context of sexuality.

You have a 'high opinion of' your sexuality? That makes no sense. Sex is sex. Sex is good... we all know this, but sexuality is just... well, it just is. No sexuality is 'better' than the rest. No sexuality is worthy of a 'high opinion'.



They've never made me doubt myself, no. I don't see how that connects. When I've faced violence - on my own behalf - or on the behalf of others, it's never made me doubt my sexuality. When someone has tried to make me feel 'wrong' about my sexuality, I've told them to go fuck themselves. When someone has tried to make me feel unworthy, I've told them to go fuck themselves.

Has it ever touched me? No - of course not, I'm not in charge of my sexuality any more than I am of my height.

I'm not saying anyone should be ashamed of their sexuality, but it's nothing to be proud of... unless you are also proud of your height, the colour of your eyes, and all the other legacies of generations past that you have no influence or control over.

It's a lot easier to tell people to fuck off when you're in the majority, and you're reasonably sure no one's going to, say, string you from a tree or bash your brains out with a brick because you're straight. No offense.

How far does our lack of pride extend, though? Should we not be proud of our intelligence, because it's mostly inherited? No pride in our athletic or artistic skills if they simply come naturally to us? How does other people having pride in such things affect you adversely?

How far does our lack of pride extend, though? Should we not be proud of our intelligence, because it's mostly inherited? No pride in our athletic or artistic skills if they simply come naturally to us?

Naturally. What matters is how we make use of them. If person A is capable of performing better than B, person A should do so. That he (or she) indeed chooses to do so is the thing to be proud of, not the capability itself.

Or so the communists say.

If person A is capable of performing better than B, person A should do so. That he (or she) indeed chooses to do so is the thing to be proud of, not the capability itself.
So I shouldn't be proud of being gay, per se, but of choosing to give a guy a mind-blowing orgasm...

Naturally. What matters is how we make use of them. If person A is capable of performing better than B, person A should do so. That he (or she) indeed chooses to do so is the thing to be proud of, not the capability itself.

Or so the communists say.

Hmm. So it's not the being gay/bi we should be proud of, it's the girls/guys we bag? I'm down with that. Whatever I can do to help a fellow comrade, y'know. ;)

So I shouldn't be proud of being gay, per se, but of choosing to give a guy a mind-blowing orgasm...

Yes Comrade :p

It's a lot easier to tell people to fuck off when you're in the majority, and you're reasonably sure no one's going to, say, string you from a tree or bash your brains out with a brick because you're straight. No offense.

Quoted as truth.

There are different uses of the word pride. In some instances, it is used to refer to the absence of shame. When a particular group is targeted and told that they should be ashamed of something about themselves, it makes sense for them to fight back with this sort of pride - to stand up and say "I am not going to be ashamed of this. It is part of who I am and I see no problem with it."

^ Precisely, I couldn't have said it better myself (obviously, considering how many posts it took me to try to say that, and seemingly failed). Thank you. :D

Who cares? It's not like it is something that needs to be cured.

Understanding != curing.

I'm not saying anyone should be ashamed of their sexuality, but it's nothing to be proud of... unless you are also proud of your height, the colour of your eyes, and all the other legacies of generations past that you have no influence or control over.

So what if I'm proud to be 6'1", blue eyed, and of my lineage (mostly)?

Are you saying my Paprika spice is in some way bisexual?
i have noticed the way it faces the cinnamon, and i wonder sometimes what it gets up to when i'm not looking.
I think it would be odd if household spices could have sex with each other, i mean what would you do if one of them died?

Yes, MHiJ, all spices are bisexual. Beware of them.

Understanding != curing.

As someone who almost wasted four years at uni on a useless anthropology degree instead of a useless creative writing degree, I have to say that I, too, am very interested about the genetic mechanisms by which sexual preference is determined.

Where I become concerned, however, is when people try to find proof for or against the genetic basis of sexual preference in order to validate or invalidate it. Both gay rights supporters and opponents are guilty of this "appeal to nature" to try to strengthen their politics, and both sides, in my opinion, are wrong to do so. Homosexuality does not need to be legitimated by science; it is legitimated by the experiences of individuals within a culture.

Or as my Philosophy of Sex professor would day, "Natural does not mean desirable, nor does unnatural indicate undesirable." Tsunamis are natural; computers are not.

How does other people having pride in such things affect you adversely?

Probably because he either simply can't do such things, or just decides to sit on his ass and do nothing with his life.

There are different uses of the word pride. In some instances, it is used to refer to the absence of shame. When a particular group is targeted and told that they should be ashamed of something about themselves, it makes sense for them to fight back with this sort of pride - to stand up and say "I am not going to be ashamed of this. It is part of who I am and I see no problem with it."

From Mirriam Webster:


1: the quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self-esteem : conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self-respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship <parental pride> 2: proud or disdainful behavior or treatment : disdain3 a: ostentatious display b: highest pitch : prime4: a source of pride : the best in a group or class5: a company of lions6: a showy or impressive group <a pride of dancers>

I think the bolded is really what is being referred to when we discuss pride in the context of sexuality.

Everyone should have a "reasonable or justifiable self-respect"... but I don't see how that appertains to sexuality. That definition...

I am (having, or appertaining to) "a reasonable and justifiable self-respect" about my sexuality.

???

It's a lot easier to tell people to fuck off when you're in the majority, and you're reasonably sure no one's going to, say, string you from a tree or bash your brains out with a brick because you're straight. No offense.

How far does our lack of pride extend, though? Should we not be proud of our intelligence, because it's mostly inherited? No pride in our athletic or artistic skills if they simply come naturally to us? How does other people having pride in such things affect you adversely?

Because, obviously, the only delineations are 'gay' and 'straight'. No one ever got suspended from a tree for, for example, the colour of their skin, or their religious beliefs. Right?

The idea that the homosexual minority is even close to the most forcefully discriminated against is, frankly, laughable.

I'm not proud of my intelligence... but I am proud of the things I've taught myself... what I've DONE with my intelligence. I'm not 'proud' of my artistic skills, but I am proud of the works I've done... what I DID with what I was given.

Does it affect me adversely that someone claims to be 'proud' of his/her 'gayness'? No - it just strikes me as nonsense.

Everyone should have a "reasonable or justifiable self-respect"... but I don't see how that appertains to sexuality.

That definition...

I am (having, or appertaining to) "a reasonable and justifiable self-respect" about my sexuality.

???

We're talking about people who are told that they should be ashamed of their sexuality - that they should hide or try to change it.

It is both reasonable and justifiable for them to have the self-respect to say that they are not ashamed and that they have no plans to try and change it. They respect themselves enough to do exactly as you suggest - to say "Fuck off," when someone hassles them about it.

Probably because he either simply can't do such things, or just decides to sit on his ass and do nothing with his life.

That makes no sense.

I can't 'intelligence'? I can't 'gay'? I can't 'tall'? I can't 'artistic'?

Considering a half decade ago I was an immigrant with nothing but a suitcase and the clothes on my back, I think 'sit on my ass and do nothing with my life' is a joke. Nice attempt at being patronising, though. It would have been better if it made any sense.

Glad to help.

We're talking about people who are told that they should be ashamed of their sexuality - that they should hide or try to change it.

It is both reasonable and justifiable for them to have the self-respect to say that they are not ashamed and that they have no plans to try and change it. They respect themselves enough to do exactly as you suggest - to say "Fuck off," when someone hassles them about it.

Which is having a reasonable and justifiable self-respect.... it isn't being 'proud' of being 'gay'. Frankly, being 'proud' of being 'gay' (or 'straight') seems as ultimately fruitless as trying to put wheels on an orange.

Which is having a reasonable and justifiable self-respect.... it isn't being 'proud' of being 'gay'. Frankly, being 'proud' of being 'gay' (or 'straight') seems as ultimately fruitless as trying to put wheels on an orange.

Should a person's self-respect not extend to their sexuality?

We aren't talking about "proud" in the sense of a feeling of accomplishment. We're talking about "proud" in the sense of being able to have that self-respect.