NationStates Jolt Archive

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

...

If you make extraordinary claims you have to at least try to back them up. How does going against your strongest genetic predisposition make you feel better?

I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.

Okay.

You will feel better.

Why do you think so?

I'm going to put my money on that this post is a 'bad troll.'

Go back to angling!

Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities...

I am guilty. I have loosed many of my virginities.


So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

I can get my virginities back?!??? Who do I have to blow?

Hey everyone, look! A troll! Let's have sex with it.

"Meh."

Big deal. Oh, and it's "lose," not "loose."

I suppose the upshot of this is that you won't be reproducing.Wrong, he can donate sperm. This may be the kind of person who does that for a living.

Good for you.

I,on the other hand, prefer to enjoy life and all it has to offer.

IMMENSELY!!

That’s right, I am a virgin and proud of it.
Nice that it’s working out for you, but you can’t stop right now with the ‘holier than thou’ BS.

I enjoy sex — rather a lot in fact — and I’m also responsible. There’s no contradiction.

"Meh."

Big deal. Oh, and it's "lose," not "loose."

I suppose the upshot of this is that you won't be reproducing.

lolz, it's a trollzorz!

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Going the Isaac Newton route, are you?

Abstaining from sex is a criticism and rebuke of God's creation.


So let's get it on.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.
So... I take it you're not married? God intended for us to have sex, otherwise he would never have given us certain...organs. ;):p

*Kills ex*
*reclaims virginity*


...



*gives it back again*


<.<
>.>


o.O

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Can't one only get on with his/her true love without the sex being immoral? And secondly, God created sex so that all life that reproduces sexually can reproduce so sex isn't a bad thing. Only when twisted in a way that it doesn't help rear offspring is it entirely fruitless. And if it hurts others its wrong.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Whatever gave you the idea that making announcements about your sex life or lack thereof is of interest to others or even minimally socially appropriate?

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Scary/super-preggo.jpg

Cmon man, abstain from making already beautiful women more beatiful as well as doing my duty as a male and making sure the human race continues?! It's sacreligious I tell ya! :gundge:

Hooray for sex!

That's all I have to say on the matter.

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Scary/super-preggo.jpg

Cmon man, abstain from making already beautiful women more beatiful as well as doing my duty as a male and making sure the human race continues?! It's sacreligious I tell ya! :gundge:

Quite the fetish you've got there.

I like sex. Im sorry you dont feel the same way.

Quite the fetish you've got there.

That's...really scary. And I have that same screen.

Can't one only get on with his/her true love without the sex being immoral?

No.

And secondly, God created sex

No.

It's pretty damn disturbing.

So you going to join the Marvel game? Been trying to get a hold of you for days now.

yeah I noticed that only today, I don't check my TGs. yeah I'll set it up the next day or two.

Troll! :p

That's...really scary. And I have that same screen.

It's pretty damn disturbing.

So you going to join the Marvel game? Been trying to get a hold of you for days now.

yeah I noticed that only today, I don't check my TGs. yeah I'll set it up the next day or two.

Ok, awesome. I'm going to TG a link to the book, as well. That'll save you the trouble of having to find it.

And I'll add you to the usergroup for the game so that you can poke around and see the shape of things before you sit down and think about what sort of character to make.

I can get my virginities back?!??? Who do I have to blow?

Lol that is going to be sigged by me for sure :)

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially, it is a creation of the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat from revolution. Evee noticed that the bourgeoisie have less children, while the hungry, uncouth masses run rampant? They have lost the secret of happiness! Les bourgeoisie sont bourjoisies! Unite and rebel!

Hey everyone, look! A troll! Let's have sex with it.

:D:fluffle:

An ideology that would have mankind slowly and excruciatingly implode and then become extinct is intrinsically at odds with man's rational existence, which entails his continued material existence. Your advocation of perpetual virginity for all is at odds with reason itself.

Not without artificial insemination it ain't.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

An ideology that would have mankind slowly and excruciatingly implode and then become extinct is intrinsically at odds with man's rational existence, which entails his continued material existence. Your advocation of perpetual virginity for all is at odds with reason itself.

man's rational existence, which entails his continued material existence.

Why is "continued material existence" demanded by human rationality?

I'm a virgin until death, but not quite by choice.

It still counts. May I ask why?

I'm a virgin until death, but not quite by choice.

Join the club.

An ideology that would have mankind slowly and excruciatingly implode and then become extinct is intrinsically at odds with man's rational existence, which entails his continued material existence. Your advocation of perpetual virginity for all is at odds with reason itself.

You could also sum up your response to the OP as:
"n00b"

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

I'm a virgin until death, but not quite by choice.

I'm a virgin until death, but not quite by choice.

You always have a choice. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid)
The above is meant as a joke.

Who do I have to blow?
Don't you read your emails, TG's, the torchmarks on your lawn, skywriting, lipstick stains on your windshield, and whispers you sometimes hear through the leaves in the trees just outside your bedroom window?!?
*duh*

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially, it is a creation of the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat from revolution. Evee noticed that the bourgeoisie have less children, while the hungry, uncouth masses run rampant? They have lost the secret of happiness! Les bourgeoisie sont bourjoisies! Unite and rebel!

Oh give me a fucking break, this isn't even bordering on clever.

It still counts. May I ask why?

Well, it might count as choice, since I'm in love with a woman who doesn't love me back, and I wouldn't have sex with anyone I didn't love, but even if she did love me, I couldn't have sex with her because I feel like I'd be... well... desecrating her, for lack of any other word.

On the other hand, women don't find me attractive, I rarely talk to them, and I haven't had a girlfriend in over a year. The girlfriends I have had have only stayed with me for less than two months.

*Kills ex*
*reclaims virginity*


...



*gives it back again*


<.<
>.>


o.O

I'm a little surprised .... and titillated ... at the vampiric overtones of your post, Sark. :)

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially, it is a creation of the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat from revolution. Evee noticed that the bourgeoisie have less children, while the hungry, uncouth masses run rampant? They have lost the secret of happiness! Les bourgeoisie sont bourjoisies! Unite and rebel!

...that was the winner.

Unite and rebel!

An army of lovers cannot lose!

Oh, wait....

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially..yada yadal No dearie it is not RIGHT. Do ya think humans had the capability to artificially inseminate ages ago? No. If sex wasn't natural in humans, well, you wouldn't be here to try and spread that tripe.

And SEX is beautiful. And FUN!

snip

So ALL sex is immmoral and teh ebil. PLEEASE! :rolleyes:


Respect other peoples' beleifs TROLL

OMG! Do you know how much money, time and resources would be wasted on artificial reproduction. And lets not get into how it would negatively effect the race as a whole after we devolve the ability to reproduce naturally. Suppose something jacks up the technology then what?

We turn into the Asgard from Stargate SG-1 and have to commit mass suicide and blow up all our tech lest it fall into the wrong hands. Personally, I am gonna wait until I get married. Too many Sociological studies showing that relationships with Sex outside of marriage will end within 3-5 years, and I aint gonna do that to the woman I love. But that is just me.

And SEX is beautiful. And FUN!
Yay!

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Good for you.

If you prefer a life of celibacy, hey, more power to you. I'm getting married in May, so you'll get no such similar commitment out of me, nor will you lose any respect either.

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially, it is a creation of the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat from revolution. Evee noticed that the bourgeoisie have less children, while the hungry, uncouth masses run rampant? They have lost the secret of happiness! Les bourgeoisie sont bourjoisies! Unite and rebel!

OMG! Do you know how much money, time and resources would be wasted on artificial reproduction. And lets not get into how it would negatively effect the race as a whole after we devolve the ability to reproduce naturally. Suppose something jacks up the technology then what?

either a troll or an uber moralist wacko.
Or?
o.9

Im still trying to find a way to get the OP to invoke Godwin's Law without using the Quirk's Exception. Any ideas?

Also on the AI thing, You have to jack off to get the sperm for AI, and I'm going to assume from what you've said, that you probably think that jacking its immoral too. So goodbye human race.

No dearie it is not RIGHT. Do ya think humans had the capability to artificially inseminate ages ago? No. If sex wasn't natural in humans, well, you wouldn't be here to try and spread that tripe.

And SEX is beautiful. And FUN!

I think I can cure him, putting him in a room of porn for weeks on end and feeding him nothing but those "erotic cakes" from that Simpsons episode will set him straight. ;)

And SEX is beautiful. And FUN!




/thread.


Why is this thread getting serious responses? This guys either a troll or an uber moralist wacko.

An army of lovers cannot lose!

Oh, wait....

On a side note, there would be a lot less war if everyone got laid often.

This guys... an uber moralist wacko.

Right, and that means that he lacks the human dignity to have his ideas taken seriously....

Why is this thread getting serious responses? I'm bored. No satiating my carnal lusts tonight.:(:p

and. Sorry.

Righto!

Or?
o.9



and. Sorry.

Ideas like this, where he is attempting to impose them on everyone, his ideas shouldnt be taken seriously.


We wouldnt take the WBC seriously if they came on here, why are we taking this seriously?

I don't recall him condemning anyone, so I wouldn't say 'pushing' merely trying to convince you. Someone at the supermarket who tells you thaty a certain product is the ebst isn't trying to force his lifestyle on you, he is recommending something that he found really great.

Wilmur's doing the same. You are also doing the same thing by clearly suggesting that not takeing this thread seriously is the ebst option. Now tell me how you forcing your opinons onto the internet here is better than him doing the same?

Except that yours contains hypocrisy, so you have some ground to gain....

I'm bored. No satiating my carnal lusts tonight.:(:p

... at all? Not even with witty banter?

Thats what righty (or lefty) is for.

OR?

Right, and that means that he lacks the human dignity to have his ideas taken seriously....




Ideas like this, where he is attempting to impose them on everyone, his ideas shouldnt be taken seriously.


We wouldnt take the WBC seriously if they came on here, why are we taking this seriously? They both have stupid ideas, his just isnt horrible and cruel.

I'm bored. No satiating my carnal lusts tonight.:(:p

Thats what righty (or lefty) is for.

... at all? Not even with witty banter?

Thats what righty (or lefty) is for.
ain't nothin' like the real thing...

ain't nothin' like the real thing...
Never is. Even it, itself, sometimes.
*Epic*

And lets not get into how it would negatively effect the race as a whole after we devolve the ability to reproduce naturally.

Wait, what?

Um, er...evolution doesn't work that way.

"The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful."

-Robert A. Heinlein
Are you gonna change that sig to read
*worships x2*
? :p

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

"The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful."

-Robert A. Heinlein

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

I don't know about the other people on here, but I didn't "loose" my virginity. My pussy's very tight, thank you.

Respect other peoples' beleifs

No. Beliefs based on superstition, myth, and fairy tales deserve no respect from me, and they shall get one.

My pussy's very tight, thank you.
:eek:
*drools*

I could remain celibate until my demise if I die in the next...


...actually, I'll get back to you in about fifteen minutes on that.

:D

I could remain celibate until my demise if I die in the next...


...actually, I'll get back to you in about fifteen minutes on that.

:D

14 1/2 minutes is two smokes, right?

I don't know about the other people on here, but I didn't "loose" my virginity. My pussy's very tight, thank you.

what's that line...I didn't lose my virginity, I know exactly where I put it?

While there are obvious age restrictions that one should abide, retaining one's virginity indefinitely is unnatural and counterproductive.

14 1/2 minutes is two smokes, right?

Is that what they're calling it now?

Is that what they're calling it now?

I suspect you're thinking of "strokes" :p
Also ... that wasn't 15 minutes, which may prove my point. Unless .... is there a special manner of typing you're utilising right now? :eek:

I suspect you're thinking of "strokes" :p
Also ... that wasn't 15 minutes, which may prove my point. Unless .... is there a special manner of typing you're utilising right now? :eek:

Thank the Kama Sutra. :D

Thank the Kama Sutra. :D

Oh, i do, i do :)

what's that line...I didn't lose my virginity, I know exactly where I put it?
Under the couch. I find a lot of things there.
:eek:
*drools*
I'm taken by Rotovia-, sorry. :p

I'm taken by Rotovia-, sorry. :p.... so you're Rotovia, saying you're "taken by Rotovia-" ...?
.... uhm, that *could* mean something Knights of Liberty was "aiming at" earlier. :eek:

Oh, and don't mind the drool. I do that a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqc10_y8gRA

EDIT: Catchy! :D

How do you intend to share even 1/10 of the love you can share with sex? Oh, but of course, if you're a virgin, you can't understand what I mean. Pretty dumb to say no to something before having ever experienced it or any similar experience (with yourself it does not count heh).

Let us all have no means of sharing love except handshakes, folks!

If we were all "pure" we'd be extinct. I know for a fact that people have had sex billions of times. Its not like the marijuana argument. When you say "everyone's doing it", you're not lying.

But seriously, fuck off. Virgins who brag about their virginity are just as annoying as people who brag about how much they have sex. It's a goddamn sex life. You aren't pure, you're a dirty, sinful, hateful human like the rest of us, and you will die and experience the same empty unconscious oblivion as the rest of us.

You aren't pure, you're a dirty, sinful, hateful human like the rest of us, and you will die and experience the same empty unconscious oblivion as the rest of us.
Sigworthy. :)

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

rather not frankly, although i practice abstinance as a product of my laziness plus crippling anxiety.

rather not frankly, although i practice abstinance as a product of my lazinessProbably in the majority.
plus crippling anxiety.None of that here! :mad:

While there are obvious age restrictions that one should abide, retaining one's virginity indefinitely is unnatural and counterproductive.

Equally false to the OP's trollery, even if you seem to be in earnest. Some people are just wired differently, making celibacy 'natural' for them. Those people may contribute as much to society as any other procreating person.

So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you.
Yeah, surgery works miracles these days.

Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.
Why having sex should be always immoral?

Anyway, you claim that, right now, you're feeling better by not having sex. This doesn't imply that:
1.this would work for everyone else, too
2.you won't change your mind in the future.

So, don't be so melodramatic.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Troll.

What does virginity have to do with purity of mind and spirit?

Edit: Oh, by the way, this troll sucks compared to Jesussaves. And I are tdrunk righht now.

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially, it is a creation of the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat from revolution. Evee noticed that the bourgeoisie have less children, while the hungry, uncouth masses run rampant? They have lost the secret of happiness! Les bourgeoisie sont bourjoisies! Unite and rebel!

lulz

lulz

Throw in some praise of Stalin and you have an AP quote.

Throw in some praise of Stalin and you have an AP quote.

choose:

à la Stalin:
"Sex means 1+1=3".

à la Karl Marx:
"Sex is a cultural superstructure of capitalism"

à la Pope Ratzinger:
"Sex is allowed only between the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary."

à la Chuck Norris:
"Winners don't have sex. Winners make roundhouse kicks."

à la Hitler (when speaking to capitalists):
"Sex is a diabolical Jewish-Communist plot aimed at weakening Aryan blood!"

à la Hitler (when speaking to workers):
"Sex is a diabolical Jewish-Capitalist plot aimed at weakening Aryan blood!"

à la Hitler (when speaking to Eva Braun):
"Sorry, darling, I've got an headache"

à la Bill Clinton:
"What do you mean by 'sex', anyway?"

à la George Bush:
"I have received reliable intelligence that Ahmadinejad plans to have sex within the next few years"

à la Queen Elizabeth II:
"Oh no, not another scandal in the Royal Family, please."

choose:

à la Stalin:
"Sex means 1+1=3".

à la Karl Marx:
"Sex is a cultural superstructure of capitalism"

à la Pope Ratzinger:
"Sex is allowed only between the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary."

à la Chuck Norris:
"Winners don't have sex. Winners make roundhouse kicks."

à la Hitler (when speaking to capitalists):
"Sex is a diabolical Jewish-Communist plot aimed at weakening Aryan blood!"

à la Hitler (when speaking to workers):
"Sex is a diabolical Jewish-Capitalist plot aimed at weakening Aryan blood!"

à la Hitler (when speaking to Eva Braun):
"Sorry, darling, I've got an headache"

à la Bill Clinton:
"What do you mean by 'sex', anyway?"

à la George Bush:
"I have received reliable intelligence that Ahmadinejad plans to have sex within the next few years"

à la Queen Elizabeth II:
"Oh no, not another scandal in the Royal Family, please."

Made. Of. Win.
:)

If you make extraordinary claims you have to at least try to back them up. How does going against your strongest genetic predisposition make you feel better?

In my case having sex would go against my strongest predisposition.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

I don't think it's likely to make most people feel better. Going against their feelings would likely make them feel worse, just like if I went against my feelings and had sex for some reason I would feel horrible. It's not something that's meant for me.

If I was somehow meant to have sex, I would probably have some sort of sex drive or I would have attraction to people. Since that's not there, there is no reason for me to have sex. But I won't judge people as somehow unpure for having different feelings than I do. How can I, when I don't know what it is that they're feeling that leads them to do that sort of thing? I'll never feel the feelings that they do, so I won't ever be able to understand them, much less judge it as "unpure".

But I do hope that I will be a virgin forever. I would feel violated otherwise and it would hurt a lot to go against who I am.

Equally false to the OP's trollery, even if you seem to be in earnest. Some people are just wired differently, making celibacy 'natural' for them. Those people may contribute as much to society as any other procreating person.

Yes, this is kind of what I'm trying to say. I guess I'm just wired differently from most people, that doesn't make me going with what's natural for me somehow less natural than someone else going with what's natural to them, just because what's natural for me is different from what's natural for most people.

As for the OP, he obviously also abstains from proper grammar and usage...

So... I take it you're not married? God intended for us to have sex, otherwise he would never have given us certain...organs. ;):pIndeed.
I presume you're talking about ears, right?

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially, it is a creation of the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat from revolution. Evee noticed that the bourgeoisie have less children, while the hungry, uncouth masses run rampant? They have lost the secret of happiness! Les bourgeoisie sont bourjoisies! Unite and rebel!It's not the hungry, uncouth masses' fault that cannibalism is illegal!

While there are obvious age restrictions that one should abide, retaining one's virginity indefinitely is unnatural and counterproductive.Don't be silly.
Retaining one's virginity indefinitely until you can get a high enough offer for it is quite productive.

I'm a virgin, though hopefully not until death. I'd kill myself if I'm still a virgin at forty. :D

Ah i think i can link this abstaining behaviour, is projection.
Ie the person is anxious to do something, so stops other people from doing it, to reduce the anxiety for themselves. So in this case OP (that means origional poster right?) is trying to get other people to stop having sex, to reduce their own anxiety. Perfectly normal defence mechanism for human behaviour.

I've scanned over the thread, the majority of replies is "sex is good!", and "Troll!".
So i think i'll add something slightly different. Use funny pictures or reliable sources or a more in-depth argument before inferring that other people are not moral by not doing what you do.

I know the OP was trolling, but it still manages to touch on a very interesting topic: why sexual chastity is so deeply entwined with cultural notions of purity and virtue.

Even a lot of the most progressive types out there will still have some latent associations between promiscuity and moral uncleanliness. Promiscuity is often portrayed as being inherently reckless, while monogamy is inherently responsible or mature.

Meh, just musing. Back to your troll-baiting!

I know the OP was trolling, but it still manages to touch on a very interesting topic: why sexual chastity is so deeply entwined with cultural notions of purity and virtue.

Even a lot of the most progressive types out there will still have some latent associations between promiscuity and moral uncleanliness. Promiscuity is often portrayed as being inherently reckless, while monogamy is inherently responsible or mature.

Meh, just musing. Back to your troll-baiting!
Day 1: I learned from reading cultural anthropology that this is not the case among all cultures, which strongly implies that there is nothing really inherent about our assumptions.

Day 2: I observed people being irresponsible and immature within monogamous relationships. I also met many irresponsible and immature virgins.

Day 3: I made it my policy to reject the cultural assumptions you describe and chalked them up to a combination of religious influence and misogyny in western societies (because I noted that women are far more often blamed for being promiscuous than men are).

But all that is off-troll-topic. Sorry. ;)

Friends, I never did mention God in my OP. Why do you assume that concept has anything to do with it? Could it not be that abstinence is inherently natural? Could it not be that morality is inherently objective, even if there was no God? I think it can be.

Friends, I never did mention God in my OP. Why do you assume that concept has anything to do with it? Could it not be that abstinence is inherently natural? Could it not be that morality is inherently objective, even if there was no God? I think it can be.

Nope.
And no, most certainly not.

If abstinence was inherently natural, humans wouldn't fuck like bunnies given half a chance. It feels good, it's good for your health and overall well-being, and ever since we evolved into bigendered life forms, it's been natural for us to fuck.
Come to think of it, there are even some hermaphrodite species that STILL find a way to fuck. Just look at snails.

And morality is an inate instance in human being and other social animals. It's the sum of what enables us to BE social animals, it's what allows us to live together in groups without constant fighting and what enables us to cooperate to facilitate life for the group and the individual. We were moral long before we invented god.
Chimps are moral.
Dogs are moral.

Nope.
Chimps are moral.
Dogs are moral.

No they're not - not in a human sense.

Almost everything they do is at the same time both natural and inherently right, be it clubbing a baby seal or raping an underaged puppy.

OTOH even if something is natural it doesn't mean it's moral to a human. For example, a 12 year old can be both mentally & biologically old enough to procreate and someone older might be naturally attracted to such a person yet the following union would not percieved as being moral by rest of the community (well, depening on the culture :p)...


Abstinence or sex between consenting, biologically and phsychologically mature people is in my opinion a relatively non-moral issue: Having sex or abstaining from sex is pretty much a neutral act - Sex tends to give pleasure and is (usually) necessary to the survival of species but that doesn't mean it's evil or good.

No they're not - not in a human sense.

Yes, they are. And in a very human sense.
They will help another member of the group, even if there is no direct benefit to them. They will experience guilt for having overstepped moral boundaries. They will punish other members of the group for breaking moral rules.
They will not only protect weaker members of their group, they will actually expect stronger member to protect the weaker ones.

In short, they behave according to a set of moral guidelines, just like humans.

You do realize that lifetime abstinence is against G-d's will? Remember He commanded us "Be fruitful and multiply?" and created the sexual act to increase the pleasures of marriage?

I am a virgin, and while I am proud to be one so far, I also aim to lose my virginity within a few years. To do this, I must get married. So my objective is to find someone who I can spend my life with, fall in love with her, and get her to fall in love with me.

Yes, they are. And in a very human sense.
They will help another member of the group, even if there is no direct benefit to them. They will experience guilt for having overstepped moral boundaries. They will punish other members of the group for breaking moral rules.
They will not only protect weaker members of their group, they will actually expect stronger member to protect the weaker ones.

In short, they behave according to a set of moral guidelines, just like humans.

Except that they don't - However they act it is natural to them and inherently right.

If a chimpanzee beats the living daylights out of baby chimps it is moral and ok. If a lion eats the baby lions of his old rival it is also both moral and natural.

If a human acts according to his or her nature - let's say someone who is a serial killer or a pedophile - it CAN be perceived as being amoral, evil or non-good.

Other animals can have morals - some sense of right and wrong aside from natural behaviour pattern, though that's an unproven (unprovable?) stance - but those would not be connected to human morals, except in a strict biological sense.

Except that they don't - However they act it is natural to them and inherently right.

If a chimpanzee beats the living daylights out of baby chimps it is moral and ok. If a lion eats the baby lions of his old rival it is also both moral and natural.

If a human acts according to his or her nature - let's say someone who is a serial killer or a pedophile - it CAN be perceived as being amoral, evil or non-good.

Other animals can have morals - some sense of right and wrong aside from natural behaviour pattern - but those are not connected to human morals, except in a strict biological sense.

The fact that both humans and animals can choose to act against their moral instinct, and the fact that a small number of humans and animals are born with brain structures that will not connect moral behaviour with emotional responses does not mean that on the whole, humans and animals don't have morals.
You'll find that chimp groups tend to take drastic actions if one member randomly seriously hurts another. Hell, they tend to take action when they discover a member lying to the group.

They don't of course follow Roman Catholic ideas of moral by not eating meat on Fridays and not having sex before marrige, but that doesn't mean that they don't follow moral codes, or that their brains function any different when it comes to morals than human brains do.

The fact that both humans and animals can choose to act against their moral instinct

We cannot possibly know an animal (or even a human) can *choose* to do so.

You'll find that chimp groups tend to take drastic actions if one member randomly seriously hurts another.
I think you're confusing bonobos with chimpanzees :p

We cannot know an animal (or even a human) can *choose* to do so.
I think you're confusing bonobos with chimpanzees :P

And why can we not? When we present an animal with several options, and it decides to take one, is that not choosing?
Or do you assume that just because instinct might play a bigger part in an animals motivation than it does in a human, and that social inhibitors tend to be less obvious, it lacks "free will"?

Nope, I'm talking chimps. Bonobos tend to be less aggressive towards anti-social behaviour.

right lets all debate this thread, without dragging the concept of God into it, as that ends up opening up another whopper of a divisive issue altogether.
First of all, you got to respect this thread's author for being such a rebel both against their body and against society's diktats, by doing what they are doing.
Second of all, this person is trying to achieve a very difficult thing, something which many mystics and religious leaders of all kinds have tried to do with various degrees of success. Buddha would be proud of you.
Finally this person is taking a very envirnmentally conscious decision as there is nil chance of adding to this world's overpopulation and pollution problems by taking this course of action.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity.
Well that's nice for you, I suppose.

I didn't 'lose' my virginity, nor was it 'stolen from me'. I gave it away quite freely, as I recall. ;)

You will feel better.
How would you know?

And why can we not?

It is impossible to study or ask from an animal.

When we present an animal with several options, and it decides to take one, is that not choosing?
We cannot know if it understands the consequences of such choice.

Nope, I'm talking chimps. Bonobos tend to be less aggressive towards anti-social behaviour.
I was under the impression they were less accepting of anti-social behaviour while with chimps anti-social trends - to a human perception - were more prevalent.

A Virgin Until Death!

Do you plan to have sexual relations after death?

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Good for you.

*IF* you pull it off, I'll be impressed. It's difficult and takes alot of self control (unless you are asexual).

Why do you think it makes one pure? It seems like a causation twist, lack of sex/hedonism might make on pure, or does purity lead to making one less hedonistic? I always thought becoming a better person led to less sex and other temporary pleasures, not the other way round. Based on experience anyway.

Everything you've said is inherently subjective, same as the responses, yet trying to be objective. So I wouldn't expect many conversions. Setting an example is a much better tactic.

Do you plan to have sexual relations after death?

Ewwww.. undead sex. Yech. Thanks, I need to have that mental image dancing through my head as I prepare for a Cultural Geography exam.

It is impossible to study or ask from an animal.

We cannot know if it understands the consequences of such choice.

Do humans?
An animal that sees a fruit and eats it does so knowing that doing so will make that hunger feeling in its stomach go away.
A human biting into a piece of pizza does the exact same thing.
Considering that different individuals from the same species prefer different types of fruit and even different grades of ripeness, I think it's fair to say that the animal derives greater pleasure from eating the one fruit rather than the other, and will therefore decide which one to eat if given a choice.

Incidentally, Capucin monkeys were the subject of an interesting experiment on this recently. A group of them had been trained to perform a certain task, with a little reward at the end.
Now, one of the monkeys would be given the task, he'd do it as usual, and get a piece of cucumber (Capucins apparently like cucumber). The monkey took the cucumber and ate it, nothing unusual so far.
The experiment was then changed : another Capucin from the group was brough in and put in a different cage, clearly visible to the first Capucin. He was then given the task, performed it as usual, but didn't get a piece of cucumber but a grape (apparently, grapes rank above cucumbers in the Capucin's favourite foods). The first monkey was then given the task again, but when presented with the cucumber at the end, he rejected it (actually, he started at it and then knocked it out of the trainer's hand and retreated to the end of the cage in what can only be described as a "sulking position").
Capucins apparently have an accute sense of fairness...

Now, not taking that cucumber was a clear choice in that case, I would say.


I was under the impression they were less accepting of anti-social behaviour while with chimps anti-social trends - to a human perception - were more prevalent.

Not sure... I understand that there aren't that many outright aggressive bonobos. They seem to have group harmony down to a T.
However, chimps in comparison show a much higher intra-group aggression level, fights are more frequent and more violent.
As far as I know, bonobos enforce social order with sex, chimps enforce it with violence.

Good for you.

*IF* you pull it off, I'll be impressed. It's difficult and takes alot of self control (unless you are asexual).

Why do you think it makes one pure? It seems like a causation twist, lack of sex/hedonism might make on pure, or does purity lead to making one less hedonistic? I always thought becoming a better person led to less sex and other temporary pleasures, not the other way round. Based on experience anyway.

The relationship between the discipline of chastity and personal integrity is frequently a reciprocal one. The discipline exercised in remaining chaste can often be helpful in generating over time the kind of powerful self-control that allows a person to more easily reject things that would make them not as good of a person by their own moral standards. And it's equally true that the discipline exercised in generally trying to live a life of integrity will often be helpful in generating the kind of self-control that allows a person to remain chaste. In essence, it can work either way.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

I'd rather cum.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

So what? Am I supposed to be impressed? I am a virgin too, you do not witness me blowing my trumpet.

Aside from that, is there anything truly sinful about couching? No. How is it immoral?

http://www.online-literature.com/hawthorne/158/

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.To each their own. If you're happy with that, stick with it.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.And the human race will die out, but I'm pretty sure you knew that already ;)

"Virginity is nothing if it is accompanied by pride"

I'm a virgin too. Surprisingly, the last few months have given me quite a few options to opt out of being one, but only one night stand deals...And I backed down..I had homework to do....

I sometimes regret not taking advantage of things put before me like that...but it will pay off for me in the end. So its all the better. I like being able to control myself, instead of acting like a beast.

Big deal. Oh, and it's "lose," not "loose."


Unfortunately, my virginity was not very loose, that's why I lost it so late.

So what? Am I supposed to be impressed? I am a virgin too, you do not witness me blowing my trumpet.

Aside from that, is there anything truly sinful about couching? No. How is it immoral?

I can't see anyone who wasn't a virgin attempting to blow their own trumpet..

http://www.online-literature.com/hawthorne/158/
One of my favorite stories by one of my favorite writers. I wonder how many people understand what it is about...

I am a virgin, and while I am proud to be one so far, I also aim to lose my virginity within a few years. To do this, I must get married.

No, you WANT to because that is what your religion teaches. That is different than must.

Whatever, your choice. I want a family. Within marraige. Although my religion says the same, it is my sense of Duty that compells me to my actions.

One of my favorite stories by one of my favorite writers. I wonder how many people understand what it is about...

I understand it. Still, I prefer satire when it comes to depicting its point.

I can't see anyone who wasn't a virgin attempting to blow their own trumpet..

Cute. Finger? No....

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Huh....?:confused:

Well, there's one of the 72.

Abstaining from sex is a criticism and rebuke of God's creation.


So let's get it on.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA&feature=related

Whatever, your choice. I want a family. Within marraige. Although my religion says the same, it is my sense of Duty that compells me to my actions.

That has to be the single most crappy reason ever to have sex ...

Doesn't virginity by choice denote a great amount of restraint and self-control?

I believe in abstinence until marriage, but I believe the OP is some sort of troll.

A great amount of painful, instinctual repression too... repression that I'd rather avoid.
Being above instinct is what it means to be human in the first place.

Those who give into instinct are more or less animals themselves.

Doesn't virginity by choice denote a great amount of restraint and self-control?

A great amount of painful, instinctual repression too... repression that I'd rather avoid.

"Moral Purity is for n00bs"

Being above instinct is what it means to be human in the first place.

Those who give into instinct are more or less animals themselves.

Humans are animals... in case you didn't get the memo.

I am confused.

What does morality have to do with the primal drive to procreate, and the absolutely delightful way it feels?

Why is someone who never has sex somehow more moral than someone who does? :confused:

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

No I won't, I'll feel pent up. Anyway, it's way too late for me now. It's a great idea you've got though, I'll certainly keep it in mind next time I'm sating my carnal lusts. ;)

Something is only immoral when somebody claims the power to call it immoral, nothing is absolutely wrong, always, in all circumstances. Ethics is an entirely human concept with no superhuman authority behind it. Celibacy is an unnatural and arguably psychologically unhealthy attitude to sex, as is the guilt religion attaches to it. Wilmur...Marx hates you for perverting his sociological theory...he told me so. Religion was created by the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat, not sex. Sex is natural, religion is not, hence sex was created by nobody but nature itself. Sex is a healthy expression of passion, creativity, freedom, beauty, it is the only true moment the loneliness of the human condition leaves the body entirely. It is also the best way to release energy from what Freud called the Hydraulic drives, Eros and Thanatos: What normal people call the desire for sex and the awareness of your own mortality and animalistic nature. Most of western society has a very unhealthy, repressed and stifled attitude to sex, I'd provide empirical evidence but I cannot be bothered. Virginity does not show self-control or restraint. It can however show many other things: the person is very sensible and does not feel ready for sex, in which case it does not require much restraint. The person has just not been presented with an appropriate opportunity, in which case there is not much self-control needed. Or, finally, the person either has a stagnant and unhealthy, possibly immature attitude to sex (although some of these people aren't virgins, and I must stress not all virgins are those people...most of them are homophobes and easy to spot...usually have their hands down their trousers) or they are incredibly shy and insecure, which masks a deeper struggle that they will resolve in time. As a final point I would like to stress that there is a difference between not giving in to instinct and repression...not giving in to instinct is essentially choosing not to rape and pillage. Repression is a dangerous defence mechanism caused by guilt and by not spending the sexual energy within yourself. Having sex makes you more human not less.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Ok time to read past the OP

Having sex makes you more human not less.

Sorry for not being human and not having any of those feelings you humans have...

I'm tired of being alienated for this. But if all humans are somehow "supposed" to have sex than it's better for me to be an alien...at least then I can be myself.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

Ten bucks says you service yourself a hundred times a day.

I am confused.

What does morality have to do with the primal drive to procreate, and the absolutely delightful way it feels?

Why is someone who never has sex somehow more moral than someone who does? :confused:

I share your opinion absolutely. How can someone who has been blind his entire life try to tell others anything about colours? I don't want to insult blind people, but the imagination of that is nothing but ridiculous.

Sorry for not being human and not having any of those feelings you humans have...

I'm tired of being alienated for this. But if all humans are somehow "supposed" to have sex than it's better for me to be an alien...at least then I can be myself.

He's implying "normal human." You're not normal. You'll never be normal. Theres a chemical imbalance in your brain. You're not alone. There's many in mine. I have no hope of being normal (even if I am kinda popular..)

Every thread about sex is not discriminating against you. Just like every thread about sound is not discriminating against the deaf. It defines who we are. We can't imagine what life would be like without it. Doubtless you get annoyed that you're diffrent. Don't. Don't try to understand it. Just accept it and move on. If other people don't then...too bad for them You're human, all right.

Why is "continued material existence" demanded by human rationality?

I have begun to wonder this myself. Certainly our basic existence is demanded by our basic primal need to survive. But perhaps the concept of needing things is something we've been taught. Perhaps in the truiest nature of man we are an animal that desires simply to eat, drink, have shelter and enjoy the company of other humans seeing has we are a social species. Perhaps we would be happier, living more simply.

Sorry for not being human and not having any of those feelings you humans have...

I'm tired of being alienated for this. But if all humans are somehow "supposed" to have sex than it's better for me to be an alien...at least then I can be myself.

Normal humans are supposed to have sexual desire, yes. If you don't, you're not normal. Now you can take that however you want, it is neither good nor bad in and of itself, but yes, by definition that would make you not a normal person.

Virginity is overrated. I got rid of mine as soon as I could.

I'm a virgin too. Surprisingly, the last few months have given me quite a few options to opt out of being one, but only one night stand deals...And I backed down..I had homework to do....

I sometimes regret not taking advantage of things put before me like that...but it will pay off for me in the end. So its all the better. I like being able to control myself, instead of acting like a beast.

But we are beasts. We are not special, though we like to think we are. To act on desires is a kin to eating when hungry.

Bullshit. Rape and child molestation are just two.

Interesting. If there is a woman who is the last on the planet, but refuses to have sex, is it wrong to rape her to maintain the species?

But we are beasts. We are not special, though we like to think we are. To act on desires is a kin to eating when hungry.

Our consciousness gives us the power to act above instinct, something no other species on Earth can achieve at anywhere near the same level as us. Human intelligence results in the consequences of our actions being far more severe than any other species on the planet, and as a result of that severity gives us a more developed level of ethical responsibility than exists in other animal species.

Something is only immoral when somebody claims the power to call it immoral, nothing is absolutely wrong, always, in all circumstances.

Bullshit. Rape and child molestation are just two.

Interesting. If there is a woman who is the last on the planet, but refuses to have sex, is it wrong to rape her to maintain the species?

It is most certainly wrong.

To act on desires is a kin to eating when hungry.

That's right. And we should never eat just because we are hungry.

Normal humans are supposed to have sexual desire, yes. If you don't, you're not normal. Now you can take that however you want, it is neither good nor bad in and of itself, but yes, by definition that would make you not a normal person.

<nods> I'm decidedly abnormal and like it that way. Hell it's abnormal to not be abnormal in some way. Learn to love your abnormality.

Interesting. If there is a woman who is the last on the planet, but refuses to have sex, is it wrong to rape her to maintain the species?

What the hell is wrong with you that you would think it could be anything BUT wrong?

Interesting. If there is a woman who is the last on the planet, but refuses to have sex, is it wrong to rape her to maintain the species?

I look forward to seeing this as a poll thread.

Interesting. If there is a woman who is the last on the planet, but refuses to have sex, is it wrong to rape her to maintain the species?

The survival of the species is not an intrinsic good. No one is harmed by humanity not reproducing, and thus going extinct. However, people are harmed by rape. Furthermore, the maxim of our action is completely illegitimate. Treating people as a means to an end is immoral.

For these reasons, it is easily possible to conclude that rape is absolutely wrong.

What the hell is wrong with you that you would think it could be anything BUT wrong?

I'm gonna go with my husband on this one. Rape is evil, period.

The survival of the species is not an intrinsic good. No one is harmed by humanity not reproducing, and thus going extinct. However, people are harmed by rape. Furthermore, the maxim of our action is completely illegitimate. Treating people as a means to an end is immoral.

For these reasons, it is easily possible to conclude that rape is absolutely wrong.

You said it nicer than I did.:p

I look forward to seeing this as a poll thread.

I'll get right on it. This should be an interesting battle-er I mean debate. ;)

You said it nicer than I did.:p

*bows*

Do you plan to have sexual relations after death?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/Thread.jpg

the last few months have given me quite a few options to opt out of being one, but only one night stand deals...And I backed down..I had homework to do....:eek:
*slaps*

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/Thread.jpg

I love how much my pictures are getting around. Ooooh, and this is even from my photobucket.

Oh, and on topic(kinda):

That's right, I am not a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to keep their virginities until marriage or forever, to deny carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for impurity of mind and spirit, despite living in this would be ascending society.
So friends, it is not too late to lose what you never wanted. Live promiscuously forever, and live in moral impurity. You will feel better.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

to each their own. i don't see this as anything to be ashaimed of, but i don't see it as anything to be proud of either.

it's good not to contribute to overpopulation.
it's NOT good to contribute to ambient aggressiveness.

=^^=
.../\...

He's implying "normal human." You're not normal. You'll never be normal. Theres a chemical imbalance in your brain. You're not alone. There's many in mine. I have no hope of being normal (even if I am kinda popular..)

Every thread about sex is not discriminating against you. Just like every thread about sound is not discriminating against the deaf. It defines who we are. We can't imagine what life would be like without it. Doubtless you get annoyed that you're diffrent. Don't. Don't try to understand it. Just accept it and move on. If other people don't then...too bad for them You're human, all right.

Why must it be someting "wrong" with me though? I'm just different, not broken.

You're right, I'll never be able to understand and no one will be able to understand me. So I'm human but still an alien.

Normal humans are supposed to have sexual desire, yes. If you don't, you're not normal. Now you can take that however you want, it is neither good nor bad in and of itself, but yes, by definition that would make you not a normal person.

But I'm still a person.

I just love the sheer proliferation of relationship and sex threads before Valentine's Day.

I just love the sheer proliferation of relationship and sex threads before Valentine's Day.

There's some commonly held wisdom that suggests that those who spend a lot of time talking about sex don't spend a lot of time having it. Combine this with the fact that this is the interwebs.

As a Christian myself may I say please, cut the bull!

Do you think it'll make a blind bit of difference to the universe and the fate of your soul? Do you honestly think not having sex is going to save you?

If you are not a Christian, fair enough.

If you ARE a Christian then you just need to know one thing -> John 14:6

I believe in abstinence until marriage, but I believe the OP is some sort of troll.

You can believe that, hon, but I think you're just closing your eyes to reality.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

I feel better when I pounce my wife at every possible opportunity.

Something is only immoral when somebody claims the power to call it immoral, nothing is absolutely wrong, always, in all circumstances. Ethics is an entirely human concept with no superhuman authority behind it. Celibacy is an unnatural and arguably psychologically unhealthy attitude to sex, as is the guilt religion attaches to it. Wilmur...Marx hates you for perverting his sociological theory...he told me so. Religion was created by the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat, not sex. Sex is natural, religion is not, hence sex was created by nobody but nature itself. Sex is a healthy expression of passion, creativity, freedom, beauty, it is the only true moment the loneliness of the human condition leaves the body entirely. It is also the best way to release energy from what Freud called the Hydraulic drives, Eros and Thanatos: What normal people call the desire for sex and the awareness of your own mortality and animalistic nature. Most of western society has a very unhealthy, repressed and stifled attitude to sex, I'd provide empirical evidence but I cannot be bothered. Virginity does not show self-control or restraint. It can however show many other things: the person is very sensible and does not feel ready for sex, in which case it does not require much restraint. The person has just not been presented with an appropriate opportunity, in which case there is not much self-control needed. Or, finally, the person either has a stagnant and unhealthy, possibly immature attitude to sex (although some of these people aren't virgins, and I must stress not all virgins are those people...most of them are homophobes and easy to spot...usually have their hands down their trousers) or they are incredibly shy and insecure, which masks a deeper struggle that they will resolve in time. As a final point I would like to stress that there is a difference between not giving in to instinct and repression...not giving in to instinct is essentially choosing not to rape and pillage. Repression is a dangerous defence mechanism caused by guilt and by not spending the sexual energy within yourself. Having sex makes you more human not less.

THREADWINNER.

Sorry for not being human and not having any of those feelings you humans have...

I'm tired of being alienated for this. But if all humans are somehow "supposed" to have sex than it's better for me to be an alien...at least then I can be myself.

Nobody said that. For fuck's sake, Chandy, why is it always about persecution with you? You're different, okay? Nobody here has said anything other than that. "Not normal" = "different", where "normal" is not used as a character assessment, and for most reasonable people, it isn't. Please, drop the wounded bird routine and get on with life.

Why must it be someting "wrong" with me though? I'm just different, not broken.

You're right, I'll never be able to understand and no one will be able to understand me. So I'm human but still an alien.

But I'm still a person.

"Oh, poor, poor me!" Gah! Enough! NOBODY SAID "WRONG" or "BROKEN" -- not even ONCE! You've found more acceptance in NSG than you probably have anywhere else so far. Why must you constantly seek the persecution side of every sexually-related thread when it's almost NEVER there? There are enough people who will understand EXACTLY what you're going through if you look hard enough, and a whole HOST of people who will not judge you as defective in any way, regardless of their stance on sexuality.

When something so basic to human nature is the thing you lack, that makes you different. In case you've been in a coma for a couple of decades, difference is something that SOME humans have a hard time adjusting to -- some never adjust at all. That is something you're just going to have to accept. I certainly hope you do soon, because your incessant whining about it in threads like this is starting to seem more like a plea for attention than legitimate curiosity about why those who do possess sexual drives have them and why they mean what they do.

I feel better when I pounce my wife at every possible opportunity.




There needs to be an applaus smiley. You win the thread, and you didnt even have to make a gaming refrence.

That's right, I am a virgin and proud of it. Many people these days are all too happy to loose their virginities, to satiate carnal lusts and gonads. But oh, not me. I strive for purity of mind and spirit, despite living in this descended society.
So friends, it is not too late to reclaim what was stolen from you. Abstain forever, and live in moral purity. You will feel better.

HAAAAAAAAAHAHA

ur a virgin cuz no woman will sleep with ju
sad lil bastard

a woman wants a man with experience
not a stiff lil wanker like u

slap urself for making this post
and slap ur mother for raising u to be a girl

HAAAAAAAAAHAHA

ur a virgin cuz no woman will sleep with ju
sad lil bastard

a woman wants a man with experience
not a stiff lil wanker like u

slap urself for making this post
and slap ur mother for raising u to be a girlSlap yourself for having the inability to spell correctly.

Slap yourself for having the inability to spell correctly.

And for being a prick and contributing nothing to this conversation.

Nobody said that. For fuck's sake, Chandy, why is it always about persecution with you? You're different, okay? Nobody here has said anything other than that. "Not normal" = "different", where "normal" is not used as a character assessment, and for most reasonable people, it isn't. Please, drop the wounded bird routine and get on with life.

He said having sex makes you more human. When I was tired I read that as meaning that if you don't have sex you aren't really human, or not having sex makes you less human, or something like that. It sounded like a character assessment to me at the time.


"Oh, poor, poor me!" Gah! Enough! NOBODY SAID "WRONG" or "BROKEN" -- not even ONCE! You've found more acceptance in NSG than you probably have anywhere else so far. Why must you constantly seek the persecution side of every sexually-related thread when it's almost NEVER there? There are enough people who will understand EXACTLY what you're going through if you look hard enough, and a whole HOST of people who will not judge you as defective in any way, regardless of their stance on sexuality.


He said that I had an imbalance, so he said that my brain was broken. Why did he assume there had to be something wrong with my brain?

I think I did overreact though, and I'm sorry for that. I've been stressed out from people being mean to me at school. They tripped me and laughed at me and they called me the devil and "begged" me not to shoot them, and it wasn't the first time people have done something like that to me before. It upset me and confused me very much. And there are very few people at my school I can truly be myself around, and I remember talking on here before about how my mom won't accept who I am. I think when I saw the talk about sex making someone more human I snapped, and I'm sorry that I did.

Sometimes I want to be normal but then I wouldn't be me, so it wouldn't be worth it.

When something so basic to human nature is the thing you lack, that makes you different. In case you've been in a coma for a couple of decades, difference is something that SOME humans have a hard time adjusting to -- some never adjust at all. That is something you're just going to have to accept. I certainly hope you do soon, because your incessant whining about it in threads like this is starting to seem more like a plea for attention than legitimate curiosity about why those who do possess sexual drives have them and why they mean what they do.

It's just, the sort of thing like saying I lack a basic part of being human makes it seem like there's no point in even trying to understand. I want to understand but it's probably impossible. I don't know, usually the only time I think about this sort of thing is when there's a thread like this one here or somewhere else, or when something else prompts me to. It's not healthy for me, I hate how I get when I ruminate over things, but I guess that's usually the only way you see me because it's the only time I feel prompted to post here much.

Nobody said that. For fuck's sake, Chandy, why is it always about persecution with you? You're different, okay? Nobody here has said anything other than that. "Not normal" = "different", where "normal" is not used as a character assessment, and for most reasonable people, it isn't. Please, drop the wounded bird routine and get on with life.



"Oh, poor, poor me!" Gah! Enough! NOBODY SAID "WRONG" or "BROKEN" -- not even ONCE! You've found more acceptance in NSG than you probably have anywhere else so far. Why must you constantly seek the persecution side of every sexually-related thread when it's almost NEVER there? There are enough people who will understand EXACTLY what you're going through if you look hard enough, and a whole HOST of people who will not judge you as defective in any way, regardless of their stance on sexuality.

When something so basic to human nature is the thing you lack, that makes you different. In case you've been in a coma for a couple of decades, difference is something that SOME humans have a hard time adjusting to -- some never adjust at all. That is something you're just going to have to accept. I certainly hope you do soon, because your incessant whining about it in threads like this is starting to seem more like a plea for attention than legitimate curiosity about why those who do possess sexual drives have them and why they mean what they do.

You get the prestigious "Arsehole of the Day" award, for being a total dick too a sweet, and some what fragile young lady. She made a valid point about what someone said. She felt that the poster was attacking non sexual people by calling them less human. Its very easy to read that into that poster's statement.

What if the post had said "Straight sex makes you more human"? Would you call a homosexual's cry of detestation against such a remark a "wounded bird routine" or "cry for attention"? I am guessing not. So why make such horrible remarks about Chandy? Thats bullshit man.

That's right. And we should never eat just because we are hungry.

And we should never starve ourselves either. Particularly when its for reasons of "purity" which is a misguided concept to begin with. Man is not pure, nor will ever be as it is survival disadvantage.

What the hell is wrong with you that you would think it could be anything BUT wrong?

well the survival and improvement of the species is something basic among all animals, so in extreme circumstances it may not be entirely wrong.

Our consciousness gives us the power to act above instinct, something no other species on Earth can achieve at anywhere near the same level as us. Human intelligence results in the consequences of our actions being far more severe than any other species on the planet, and as a result of that severity gives us a more developed level of ethical responsibility than exists in other animal species.

True, however instincts are in place for a reason. And I don't think we have a higher ethical responsibility than other animals. Simply because we are more aware and can reason doesn't mean the basics are all that different. We can try to reason away from war, genocide and the like but we never will. These things will continue to occur because humans can not reason away instincts.

Nope. Doesn't fly.

to you.

well the survival and improvement of the species is something basic among all animals, so in extreme circumstances it may not be entirely wrong.

Nope. Doesn't fly.

You get the prestigious "Arsehole of the Day" award, for being a total dick too a sweet, and some what fragile young lady. She made a valid point about what someone said. She felt that the poster was attacking non sexual people by calling them less human. Its very easy to read that into that poster's statement.

What if the post had said "Straight sex makes you more human"? Would you call a homosexual's cry of detestation against such a remark a "wounded bird routine" or "cry for attention"? I am guessing not. So why make such horrible remarks about Chandy? Thats bullshit man.

For once, I agree with you.

Slap yourself for having the inability to spell correctly.

And for being a prick and contributing nothing to this conversation.

Hey, don't feed it. It might come back.

You get the prestigious "Arsehole of the Day" award, for being a total dick too a sweet, and some what fragile young lady.

Frankly speaking if someone is uncomfortable having her concerns discussed in public she should not discuss them in public.

She brought them up, she willingly entered this thread, she turned the topic to her sexual position yet again like she does in almost every single thread she shows up in.
She made a valid point about what someone said. She felt that the poster was attacking non sexual people by calling them less human. Its very easy to read that into that poster's statement.

No, it isn't. She chose to read that. What the poster said was very clear, that sexual relations are part of the normal human experience. Someone who does not feel sexual desire is, by definition, not normal. If she chooses to take offense at that, that's her choice.

What if the post had said "Straight sex makes you more human"? Would you call a homosexual's cry of detestation against such a remark a "wounded bird routine" or "cry for attention"? I am guessing not.

But that's not what he said, and not even close. What he said, in the context he said it in, was clear.

So why make such horrible remarks about Chandy? Thats bullshit man.

Because playing the victim gets old, especially when the only victimization going on here appears to be only in her own mind. if she wants to bring it up every time she posts, then she should accept that people are going to discuss it, and not always in ways she likes. If she's going to act with a persecution complex, she should expect to be called on it.

There needs to be an applaus smiley. You win the thread, and you didnt even have to make a gaming refrence.

SCORE!

And for the gaming reference: Each time I do, it's because I passed my Charisma check!

SCORE!

And for the gaming reference: Each time I do, it's because I passed my Charisma check!

You sure it didn't take some Bluffing? :D

Frankly speaking if someone is uncomfortable having her concerns discussed in public she should not discuss them in public.

She brought them up, she willingly entered this thread, she turned the topic to her sexual position yet again like she does in almost every single thread she shows up in. Why, if someone brings up their concerns, are they ripped apart and degraded, like what Intangelon did?


No, it isn't. She chose to read that. What the poster said was very clear, that sexual relations are part of the normal human experience. Someone who does not feel sexual desire is, by definition, not normal. If she chooses to take offense at that, that's her choice. If I can read the statement, and easily see it the same way she took it, then its not the fact that choose to read it that way, but that the statement itself is too ambiguous and can be taken in several different ways.



But that's not what he said, and not even close. What he said, in the context he said it in, was clear. Its simple logic. If he said "Having sex makes you more human", then logically one can assume that he also meant that a person is less human for not having or liking sex.


Because playing the victim gets old, especially when the only victimization going on here appears to be only in her own mind. if she wants to bring it up every time she posts, then she should accept that people are going to discuss it, and not always in ways she likes. If she's going to act with a persecution complex, she should expect to be called on it.

I talk to her nearly everyday on MSN, and she never once has come off as playing a victim to me. Me thinks that people on NSG just like to show off their "internet superiority" by attacking random people for what ever reason.

Why, if someone brings up their concerns, are they ripped apart and degraded, like what Intangelon did?

I talk to her nearly everyday on MSN, and she never once has come off as playing a victim to me. Me thinks that people on NSG just like to show off their "internet superiority" by attacking random people for what ever reason.

:pInternet superiority!
Love that one. sorry for interrupting.

:pInternet superiority!
Love that one. sorry for interrupting.

:p Well, its like people who are weak in real life have to compensate for that by being a bad ass or know it all online.

Slap yourself for having the inability to spell correctly.

Nice. :D

Virginity, my friends, is beautiful and right. Sex is natural only in animals. In humans, whom can inseminate artificially, it is a creation of the bourgeoisie to distract the proletariat from revolution. Evee noticed that the bourgeoisie have less children, while the hungry, uncouth masses run rampant? They have lost the secret of happiness! Les bourgeoisie sont bourjoisies! Unite and rebel!

That is of course, your going with the Half-Life 2 idea of rebelling, where the powers that be DON'T want us to have sex, and having it ends up being a form of effective resistance. :mp5:

Ending my little nerdy speech there, I would like to show you an image Mr. Troll man.

:fluffle:

BEHOLD!

Also, the only reason he's saying these things is because he is so physically and mentally repellent that no woman in her right mind would ever have sex with him, EVER. This is simply his way of justifying it.

Why, if someone brings up their concerns, are they ripped apart and degraded, like what Intangelon did?

Because there's a difference between bringing up your legitimate concerns in response to a legitimate criticism, and playing the victim. Now maybe this time her concern is reasonable (I doubt it, but let's pretend), however when someone cries "wolf" enough, one stops takes that person seriously.

If I can read the statement, and easily see it the same way she took it, then its not the fact that choose to read it that way, but that the statement itself is too ambiguous and can be taken in several different ways.

The fact that you can make the same error she does doesn't mean that the statement is ambiguous, it could simply mean that you have as poor a reading comprehention and ability to discren context as she does. Having seen you in action on this forum, I'm inclined to believe it's the second.

Its simple logic. If he said "Having sex makes you more human", then logically one can assume that he also meant that a person is less human for not having or liking sex.

Only if you believe the statement literally means that having sex transforms your DNA in such a way as to make you more genetically a person. In that sense i suppose.

Now, tell me Zilam, do you read that sentence and believe that the poster was trying to say that having sex transforms your DNA in such a way to make you physically, literally, more of a human being? Hmm? Did you?

I hope sincerely for your sake your reading is slightly more sophisticated than that. And having that slightly more sophisticated reading capability I would hope that you would interpret the statement as meaning exactly as it does, that sexual relations are part of the human condition.

The fact that she took a statement, the meaning of which was plainly clear for anyone who wanted to take 2 seconds to analyze its meaning, and instead of taking those two seconds, and jumped immediatly ot the assumption that it was somehow intended to mean that she is not a human being, is simply par for the course for this poster, who takes every single opportunity to be offended and pull the "poor me" routine.

Nobody was insulting her, nobody was attacking her, nobody was saying a damned thing negative about her, but, as typical she tried to act as if they were. That's a persecution complex, and it gets tiresome.


I talk to her nearly everyday on MSN, and she never once has come off as playing a victim to me.

That's nice. I don't really care. People are judged by the impression they give. That is the impression she gives here. And if a person shows up in a thread, interprets a statement in such a way that defies all logic and basic common sense, changing its plain meaning into something nonsensical and then takes offense at that nonsensical definition, that person needs to either learn to read, or grow up.

:p Well, its like people who are weak in real life have to compensate for that by being a bad ass or know it all online.

There's a certain irony to this, but I will let it stand for itself.

Abstaining from sex is a criticism and rebuke of God's creation.


So let's get it on.

So... I take it you're not married? God intended for us to have sex, otherwise he would never have given us certain...organs. ;):p

Well yes of course.


God wants us to be happy and wants us to enjoy this amazing gift of sex.


However we should enjoy it responsibly and as any intercourse comes with the possibility of conceiving then it is safest to enjoy this gift within a safe marriage.

However we should enjoy it responsibly and as any intercourse comes with the possibility of conceiving then it is safest to enjoy this gift within a safe marriage.

Because, after all, there's no way to end a pregnancy once there is a conception.

Oh, wait, there is.

Because, after all, there's no way to end a pregnancy once there is a conception.

Oh, wait, there is.

Nor is there any way to prevent conception. Some kind of contraception........

Because, after all, there's no way to end a pregnancy once there is a conception.

Oh, wait, there is.

Or to find the marriage has ended, for that matter...

Because, after all, there's no way to end a pregnancy once there is a conception.

Oh, wait, there is.




u r teh baby killerz!!!

And we should never starve ourselves either.

If we have some basis for an obligation to starve ourselves--if, for instance, the only available means we have of getting food violate our duties to others--we absolutely must starve ourselves.

Particularly when its for reasons of "purity" which is a misguided concept to begin with.

Certainly. But even though purity is not a sufficient basis, there are other bases that are sufficient. The point is that morality, not instinct, should determine our behavior.

Who said anything about "purity"?

The OP.

The OP.

Fair enough. But I did not intend to advance an argument based on purity--merely to contest the notion that we should act on instinct.

Because, after all, there's no way to end a pregnancy once there is a conception.

Oh, wait, there is.

Yes, obviously.


But it depends on your beliefs. I believe that life begins at conception and so termination of an embryo is the deliberate desctruction of a human life.

Nor is there any way to prevent conception. Some kind of contraception........

Well O-B-V-I-O-U-S-L-Y!


But few methods of contraception are actually foolproof. And when you are using contraception you still have the possibilty of conceiving.


I've seen young couples get ripped apart by them getting pregnant and having no idea what to do and eventually having an abortion and then not being able to speak to each other again. And there is a part of me that thinks "Well, sex is for procreation. If you weren't ready to accept at leas the possibility of conceiving why were you having sex?"

But yes, I know people have sex for more reasons than just procreation, these are my personal beliefs okay?

And yes, I accept that this argument doesn't work for people who don't aim to have children ever.

Because there's a difference between bringing up your legitimate concerns in response to a legitimate criticism, and playing the victim. Now maybe this time her concern is reasonable (I doubt it, but let's pretend), however when someone cries "wolf" enough, one stops takes that person seriously.



The fact that you can make the same error she does doesn't mean that the statement is ambiguous, it could simply mean that you have as poor a reading comprehention and ability to discren context as she does. Having seen you in action on this forum, I'm inclined to believe it's the second.



Only if you believe the statement literally means that having sex transforms your DNA in such a way as to make you more genetically a person. In that sense i suppose.

Now, tell me Zilam, do you read that sentence and believe that the poster was trying to say that having sex transforms your DNA in such a way to make you physically, literally, more of a human being? Hmm? Did you?

I hope sincerely for your sake your reading is slightly more sophisticated than that. And having that slightly more sophisticated reading capability I would hope that you would interpret the statement as meaning exactly as it does, that sexual relations are part of the human condition.

The fact that she took a statement, the meaning of which was plainly clear for anyone who wanted to take 2 seconds to analyze its meaning, and instead of taking those two seconds, and jumped immediatly ot the assumption that it was somehow intended to mean that she is not a human being, is simply par for the course for this poster, who takes every single opportunity to be offended and pull the "poor me" routine.

Nobody was insulting her, nobody was attacking her, nobody was saying a damned thing negative about her, but, as typical she tried to act as if they were. That's a persecution complex, and it gets tiresome.




That's nice. I don't really care. People are judged by the impression they give. That is the impression she gives here. And if a person shows up in a thread, interprets a statement in such a way that defies all logic and basic common sense, changing its plain meaning into something nonsensical and then takes offense at that nonsensical definition, that person needs to either learn to read, or grow up.



Yeah, Neo Arts 100% right. I just reread the whole thing. The comment was, "Having sex makes you more human, not less".

To turn it around and say that they were calling you unhuman is either attention seeking or poor reading skills, or both.

Well O-B-V-I-O-U-S-L-Y!


But few methods of contraception are actually foolproof. And when you are using contraception you still have the possibilty of conceiving.


I've seen young couples get ripped apart by them getting pregnant and having no idea what to do and eventually having an abortion and then not being able to speak to each other again. And there is a part of me that thinks "Well, sex is for procreation. If you weren't ready to accept at leas the possibility of conceiving why were you having sex?"

But yes, I know people have sex for more reasons than just procreation, these are my personal beliefs okay?

And yes, I accept that this argument doesn't work for people who don't aim to have children ever.

Wow... I have never seen a pregnant couple. Must be interesting....

Anyway, you're quite right, accidents do happen, and part of being ready for sex is having an idea of what to do if they do.
And I've been falling out with former partners without being pregnant, and there are some I never want to see again, ever.
Relationships happen that way sometimes, nothing to do with sex or no sex really.

Wow... I have never seen a pregnant couple. Must be interesting....

Intriguing response.


It's the couple who gets pregnant because both of them have a responsibility towards the child.


They get pregnant, not she.

In my opinion this is all that crap having to do with....The Bible tells us we can't have sex till were married! Well go to Hell!....I say Fuck that! I don't live my life by a stupid book!

Intriguing response.


It's the couple who gets pregnant because both of them have a responsibility towards the child.


They get pregnant, not she.

I think you're polishing up reality a bit there. She gets pregnant. He has a pregnant girlfriend.

I think you're polishing up reality a bit there. She gets pregnant. He has a pregnant girlfriend.

I suppose the issue is really of how you define it. Is it her pregnancy because it's taking place in her body, or their pregnancy because it represents a duty they both should fulfill, should the child be born?

I think you're polishing up reality a bit there. She gets pregnant. He has a pregnant girlfriend.

It's just a point of interest in the terminology used.

It's just a point of interest in the terminology used.

Nope. It's morning sickness, swollen legs, back pain, constant need to pee, swollen and sore breasts, wasting a fortune on pregnancy clothes, and about 20 hours of labour.

That's a bit more than mere terminology. ;)

Doesn't virginity by choice denote a great amount of restraint and self-control?

No.

No.

Partly-Serious Addendum: only when there's an extremely hot woman/man hanging off of you telling you how much they want it. Any other situation, resisting is about as hard as typing the quoted post (ironically enough, it is also all one has to say.)

If you want to masturbate your sense of self-superiority in the guise of "it takes supreme will to choose to remain a virgin," take it to a teen church group. Complaining about the "how hard it is to remain a virgin" only makes one sound like a weak-willed fool. I personally give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're not absorbed by animal instincts.

My point was that it's foolish to starve for the sake of starving or to feel as if one is better than an animal.

If that's the life they wish for themselves, what's wrong with it?

I feel our behaviour should be guided by both, it's dangerous to ignore one or the other. Both are in place for a reason.

Yes, but only morality is in place for a binding reason.

"I feel like it" is never a good reason to do anything--not in and of itself.

If we have some basis for an obligation to starve ourselves--if, for instance, the only available means we have of getting food violate our duties to others--we absolutely must starve ourselves.

Not to the point where we die nor for no reason at all however. My point was that it's foolish to starve for the sake of starving or to feel as if one is better than an animal.

Certainly. But even though purity is not a sufficient basis, there are other bases that are sufficient. The point is that morality, not instinct, should determine our behavior.

I feel our behaviour should be guided by both, it's dangerous to ignore one or the other. Both are in place for a reason.

Partly-Serious Addendum: only when there's an extremely hot woman/man hanging off of you telling you how much they want it. Any other situation, resisting is about as hard as typing the quoted post (ironically enough, it is also all one has to say.)

If you want to masturbate your sense of self-superiority in the guise of "it takes supreme will to choose to remain a virgin," take it to a teen church group. Complaining about the "how hard it is to remain a virgin" only makes one sound like a weak-willed fool. I personally give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're not absorbed by animal instincts.

Well, I'd suggest that there can be other circumstances which present difficulty, but I agree with your general point. Neither abstaining from sex nor engaging in sex are great accomplishments, and I don't particularly understand why people brag about either one.

Partly-Serious Addendum: only when there's an extremely hot woman/man hanging off of you telling you how much they want it. Any other situation, resisting is about as hard as typing the quoted post (ironically enough, it is also all one has to say.)

If you want to masturbate your sense of self-superiority in the guise of "it takes supreme will to choose to remain a virgin," take it to a teen church group. Complaining about the "how hard it is to remain a virgin" only makes one sound like a weak-willed fool. I personally give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're not absorbed by animal instincts.
Exactly. It's a show of stoic restraint. That sort of thing was once valued in Roman culture, or at least the non-promiscuous parts of it. Seneca and Cicero, for instnance, come to mind.

Exactly. It's a show of stoic restraint. That sort of thing was once valued in Roman culture, or at least the non-promiscuous parts of it. Seneca and Cicero, for instnance, come to mind.

Though Marcus Aurelius is perhaps the most famous of the lot, especially considering the fact that he wrote Meditations.

Because there's a difference between bringing up your legitimate concerns in response to a legitimate criticism, and playing the victim. Now maybe this time her concern is reasonable (I doubt it, but let's pretend), however when someone cries "wolf" enough, one stops takes that person seriously.

The fact that you can make the same error she does doesn't mean that the statement is ambiguous, it could simply mean that you have as poor a reading comprehention and ability to discren context as she does. Having seen you in action on this forum, I'm inclined to believe it's the second.

Only if you believe the statement literally means that having sex transforms your DNA in such a way as to make you more genetically a person. In that sense i suppose.

Now, tell me Zilam, do you read that sentence and believe that the poster was trying to say that having sex transforms your DNA in such a way to make you physically, literally, more of a human being? Hmm? Did you?

I hope sincerely for your sake your reading is slightly more sophisticated than that. And having that slightly more sophisticated reading capability I would hope that you would interpret the statement as meaning exactly as it does, that sexual relations are part of the human condition.

The fact that she took a statement, the meaning of which was plainly clear for anyone who wanted to take 2 seconds to analyze its meaning, and instead of taking those two seconds, and jumped immediatly ot the assumption that it was somehow intended to mean that she is not a human being, is simply par for the course for this poster, who takes every single opportunity to be offended and pull the "poor me" routine.

Nobody was insulting her, nobody was attacking her, nobody was saying a damned thing negative about her, but, as typical she tried to act as if they were. That's a persecution complex, and it gets tiresome.

That's nice. I don't really care. People are judged by the impression they give. That is the impression she gives here. And if a person shows up in a thread, interprets a statement in such a way that defies all logic and basic common sense, changing its plain meaning into something nonsensical and then takes offense at that nonsensical definition, that person needs to either learn to read, or grow up.

I already admitted that I misinterpreted that when I was tired and overreacted. But even when I misinterpreted it I didn't think at all that it transforms your DNA or anything. More like I thought it meant it makes your more human in some other way, but I'm not really sure what I thought, I know it was wrong, though. I don't even know why I overreacted. I should probably just stay out of threads like these ones, since I'm never welcome in them.

I was insulted in this thread, though, someone said that I have an imbalance in my brain.

But I don't do things like this in most threads I post in. I searched for the last 100 threads I've posted in and I only saw a few threads in which I might have acted like this. So if I've done it as often as you say I do it must have been before October 2007. I think I've been getting better at not overreacting to things but sometimes I slip up.

Neither abstaining from sex nor engaging in sex are great accomplishments, and I don't particularly understand why people brag about either one.

Because it makes them feel important? I don't get it either, but then again I don't understand a lot of the crazy things people do, myself included (as always).


VVV Ifreann, I find your spam not only easy to refuse, but down-right deterring :p

I think you're polishing up reality a bit there. She gets pregnant. He has a pregnant girlfriend.
Well, it might be a pregnant lesbian couple.

Because it makes them feel important? I don't get it either, but then again I don't understand a lot of the crazy things people do, myself included (as always).

That's my theory. It isn't enough that they just say "I'm abstaining from having sex because 'x'" No, it has to be an important and special decision that everyone has to know about and care about. Hence, all these self-aggrandizing statements make their way into the argument like "It's a show of stoic restraint. That sort of thing was once valued in Roman culture..." It makes the person feel special about a decision that, at it's core, is noone else's business to begin with.

Well, it might be a pregnant lesbian couple.

True, but even then they wouldn't pass the feotus on between each other every second day or so like penguins pass on an egg. ;)

True, but even then they wouldn't pass the feotus on between each other every second day or so like penguins pass on an egg. ;)

Well I was thinking of two pregnant lesbians, but this is much stranger.

well the survival and improvement of the species is something basic among all animals, so in extreme circumstances it may not be entirely wrong.No. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem)

Exactly. It's a show of stoic restraint. That sort of thing was once valued in Roman culture, or at least the non-promiscuous parts of it. Seneca and Cicero, for instnance, come to mind.

Though Marcus Aurelius is perhaps the most famous of the lot, especially considering the fact that he wrote Meditations.
Seneca, Cicero, and Marcus Aurelius were not virgins. See below:

http://www.egs.edu/resources/seneca.html

... the emperor Claudius finally exiled Seneca to Corsica in 41 AD, charging him with committing adultery with Claudius' niece, the princess Julia Livilla. ... In 50 AD he married an influential and well-connected woman named Pompeia Paulina, and became praetor. ...


http://www.uah.edu/student_life/organizations/SAL/texts/bios/mtcicero.html

... By his [Cicero's] marriage with Helvia, a woman of the nobility, he became connected with many senatorial families. ...

http://www.bookrags.com/biography/marcus-aurelius-antoninus/

...He had the title Caesar conferred on Marcus in 139, only a year after his own accession, and betrothed him to his own daughter Faustina; Marcus and Faustina were married probably in 140. ...

And of course, Marcus Aurelius fathered Comodus, one of the less good Roman emperors.

So much for Stoicism offering exemplars of the restraint required to stay a virgin one's whole life.

Well I was thinking of two pregnant lesbians, but this is much stranger.

they both are and there goes my day

I was insulted in this thread, though, someone said that I have an imbalance in my brain.


Just so you know, Chandy, that needn't be taken as an insult. (Heck, if I were more sensitive, I'd be insulted that you take it as an insult. :p ) I quite definitely have an imbalance in my brain (several, really), and I'm certainly not less of a person or anything because of it. It's entirely possible that your hormone levels are wacky, and that's why you're the way you are. So what? At the most basic level, all of our personalities boil down to the way a bunch of chemicals interact. If you have different quantities of certain of those chemicals than most people, that doesn't make you bad. It's just one of the many things that makes you you. :)

Then why is it called an imbalance, if it's ok?

I suggest that before you assume something is an insult, you look up what the word means and try to figure out if it's a negative or not and then decide whether you should be offended.

Your tendancy to leap to the assumption that you're somehow being insulted is what brought about this conversation in the first place.

Just so you know, Chandy, that needn't be taken as an insult. (Heck, if I were more sensitive, I'd be insulted that you take it as an insult. :p ) I quite definitely have an imbalance in my brain (several, really), and I'm certainly not less of a person or anything because of it. It's entirely possible that your hormone levels are wacky, and that's why you're the way you are. So what? At the most basic level, all of our personalities boil down to the way a bunch of chemicals interact. If you have different quantities of certain of those chemicals than most people, that doesn't make you bad. It's just one of the many things that makes you you. :)

Then why is it called an imbalance, if it's ok?

Then why is it called an imbalance, if it's ok?

'Cause it's at one of the far ends of the "normal" bell curve; i.e. it deviates from an "average" by a large amount, or is simply uncommonly seen. It's not necessarily bad; everyone experiences temporary imbalances (they're called emotions), and of the permanent or long-term imbalances only a few of them cause diseases like OCD or bipolar (or worse).

Anyway, if most of the people I meet on a daily basis have "normal" chemical levels, I'd frankly rather be imbalanced :P

'Cause it's at one of the far ends of the "normal" bell curve; i.e. it deviates from an "average" by a large amount, or is simply uncommonly seen. It's not necessarily bad; everyone experiences temporary imbalances (they're called emotions), and of the permanent or long-term imbalances only a few of them cause diseases like OCD or bipolar (or worse).

Anyway, if most of the people I meet on a daily basis have "normal" chemical levels, I'd frankly rather be imbalanced :P

I just don't really like it being assumed that I have an imbalance.

Your tendancy to leap to the assumption that you're somehow being insulted is what brought about this conversation in the first place.

Yeah. Sorry. :( I'm used to real life where if people I don't know say things to me they're usually insults.

Then why is it called an imbalance, if it's ok?

Well, because it's not normal. Which isn't a bad thing in itself - it is, for example, normal to be of average intelligence, and decidedly abnormal to be a genius. You are abnormal, which isn't bad or insulting. Pretty much everyone is abnormal in some ways; that's what keeps the world from being horribly boring. Personally, I'm colossally abnormal in all sorts of ways - I have bipolar II disorder (a fairly severe imbalance in my brain), I have a ludicrously high IQ, I'm very musically talented, I'm allergic to ricotta cheese, I have very poor vision, I have a "phonographic" memory which allows me to memorize entire songs or speeches having heard them only once or twice - all of these things are decidedly outside the norm. Some of them could be considered good, some bad, but not because they're abnormal. Similarly, the fact that you don't feel sexual attraction isn't normal, but that doesn't make it bad (or good, for that matter). It just makes it abnormal. :)

Besides, who the heck wants to be entirely normal, anyway? That's boring. :D

I love how much my pictures are getting around. Ooooh, and this is even from my photobucket.Respect-to-da-grandma!
http://madsenblog.dk/billeder/chimp_at_typewriter.jpg
*pounds chest*
I strive for impurity of mind and spirit, despite living in this would be ascending society.
Sigworthy. Totally.

Well, because it's not normal. Which isn't a bad thing in itself - it is, for example, normal to be of average intelligence, and decidedly abnormal to be a genius. You are abnormal, which isn't bad or insulting. Pretty much everyone is abnormal in some ways; that's what keeps the world from being horribly boring. Personally, I'm colossally abnormal in all sorts of ways - I have bipolar II disorder (a fairly severe imbalance in my brain), I have a ludicrously high IQ, I'm very musically talented, I'm allergic to ricotta cheese, I have very poor vision, I have a "phonographic" memory which allows me to memorize entire songs or speeches having heard them only once or twice - all of these things are decidedly outside the norm. Some of them could be considered good, some bad, but not because they're abnormal. Similarly, the fact that you don't feel sexual attraction isn't normal, but that doesn't make it bad (or good, for that matter). It just makes it abnormal. :)

Besides, who the heck wants to be entirely normal, anyway? That's boring. :D

It would be boring to be entirely normal. :)

It would be boring to be entirely normal. :)

Me and my friends figured out that it's impossible to be normal in every respect, you can be normal in every respect except one, how many respects you're normal in :D

It would be boring to be entirely normal. :)

My mom actually is. :(

My mom actually is. :(

That's quite abnormal of her.

My mom actually is. :(

She only appears normal to you. As a parent, I can tell you, there is a great parental conspiracy to make our children think we are normal. We hide all our idiosyncracies and take our eccentricities underground. One day, the facade will slip, it always does.

She only appears normal to you. As a parent, I can tell you, there is a great parental conspiracy to make our children think we are normal. We hide all our idiosyncracies and take our eccentricities underground. One day, the facade will slip, it always does.

That's quite abnormal of her.

That's what I think.

Asexuality is possible...

"Purity of Mind and Spirit"?

Bullshit. Purity is for drinking water, as mentioned in the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You have one short life to live. In the end, how 'pure' you are in your own mind isn't going to make a difference.

In short, just live it up and have fun.

Asexuality is possible...for how long?

for how long?

I've been asexual for my whole life...