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##US Gov:starving Palestinians must not be allowed to get food across the wall - Page 4

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United Beleriand
13-02-2008, 10:50
:headbang:

Last time I checked, the Arabs were the ones that declared war on Israel.Nope. The Jews did by declaring their state. One could even view the entire Zionist movement until then as warmongering. The Jews wanted the land no matter what. The Arabs just wanted to be left alone and in peace, but the West had other plans.
Andaras
13-02-2008, 10:54
Nope. The Jews did by declaring their state. One could even view the entire Zionist movement until then as warmongering. The Jews wanted the land no matter what. The Arabs just wanted to be left alone and in peace, but the West had other plans.

Also remember the Six-day War, which was essentially a Zionist war of aggression, which was organized basically by newly putsched junta led by Moshe Dayan, whose troops randomly used the occasion to occupy vast amounts of Arab territory, and occupy the old city, most of which was done with no planning or accounting for the future significance.
Corneliu 2
13-02-2008, 14:09
Nope. The Jews did by declaring their state.

Um declaring statehood is by no means a declaration of war considering the fact that the Palestinians could have done the exact same bloody thing.
Java-Minang
13-02-2008, 14:17
But they declare it on Palestinians' lands! Even idiots must known that it is a call to war!! [call Orcs to slaughter the *unsaved*]

PS: I just knew that Islam means saved, from Salom (the basic word: translate as saved)....
United Beleriand
13-02-2008, 14:21
Um declaring statehood is by no means a declaration of war.If you do that in someone else's land, it is. And Ben Gurion's mindset was well known.
Java-Minang
13-02-2008, 14:27
Yeah, the Zionists....
Why don't the Semites people take a break from war... ever?:rolleyes::confused:
Rambhutan
13-02-2008, 14:33
Yeah, the Zionists....
Why don't the Semites people take a break from war... ever?:rolleyes::confused:

What apart from the last thousand years?
Corneliu 2
13-02-2008, 14:34
But they declare it on Palestinians' lands! Even idiots must known that it is a call to war!! [call Orcs to slaughter the *unsaved*]

PS: I just knew that Islam means saved, from Salom (the basic word: translate as saved)....

Actually...they declared it on lands that were given to them by the League of Nations and the United Nations. The same is said for the Palestinians. The difference is, the Israelis recognized their neighbors and in response, got attacked by the Arab League.
Corneliu 2
13-02-2008, 14:35
If you do that in someone else's land, it is. And Ben Gurion's mindset was well known.

The problem is though, it was someone else's land they declared a state on.
Java-Minang
13-02-2008, 14:40
What apart from the last thousand years?

Eh? The invasion of Pakistan, the Cross War/Crusades (well, we say it the 'cross war'/ perang salib. But I don't think it's matter very much). The battle with Turks and Mongols. The invasion to Africa, to Indonesia, to SEA, to East Asia, to India, to Europa, to Constatinople, to Bulgaria, to Wina, to Hispania, to Sicily, WW1, Otto-Russo wars. Padri War, WW2 (serving in the 3rd Reich), the Jihad against Israil, the Russo-Afgans War, War on Communists, War on Neo-Liberalists, War against the West....

So many...
Rambhutan
13-02-2008, 14:51
Eh? The invasion of Pakistan, the Cross War/Crusades (well, we say it the 'cross war'/ perang salib. But I don't think it's matter very much). The battle with Turks and Mongols. The invasion to Africa, to Indonesia, to SEA, to East Asia, to India, to Europa, to Constatinople, to Bulgaria, to Wina, to Hispania, to Sicily, WW1, Otto-Russo wars. Padri War, WW2 (serving in the 3rd Reich), the Jihad against Israil, the Russo-Afgans War, War on Communists, War on Neo-Liberalists, War against the West....

So many...

Sorry, what planet are you from again?
Laerod
13-02-2008, 15:01
Sorry, what planet are you from again?Indonesia.
Rambhutan
13-02-2008, 15:09
Indonesia.

Ah so it is the "my hovercraft is full of eels" factor.
Aryavartha
13-02-2008, 18:08
The Israeli's are the ultimate whingers, I mean seriously when you look at the actual damage caused by the rockets, it's minimal to the extent of infinitesimally small, I think in all they have killed like 2 people, I mean Hamas fight as well be rebellious teenagers firing fireworks.

Whether it is minimal or not is subjective and it is for Israel to decide.

Can Israelis say that the land that the Palestinians 'lost' is 'minimal' and Palestinians are the ultimate whingers for still whining about this 'minimal' loss (compared to the Transjordan, Gaza, WB and east Jerusalem that they 'got'). Would that be a fair argument*?

*Not, according to me, I am just playing on the stupid argument you make.
Gravlen
13-02-2008, 20:48
I sided with Olmert: anger outbursts are not a reasonable policy. Blowing up towns in Gaza in response to Gazans blowing up towns in Israel would be the equivalent of the Dresden bombing during WWII: the anger is understandable, but the action would not be justified. I am not sure what you are wanting from me. I noted that you had not condemned the Gazans for their attacks: in response, you said that you do oppose that; fine. I ask what should be done about it, and you think the Israelis should just "have the balls" to let it continue: well that is not going to happen; it is the job of the Israeli government to minimize Israeli casualties.

I also notice that you have no idea who you are responding to. I wonder how many posters you think I am...
United Beleriand
13-02-2008, 21:21
That, however, is not what they did.
That is exactly what they did.
Dyakovo
13-02-2008, 21:23
If you do that in someone else's land, it is.

That, however, is not what they did.
Dyakovo
13-02-2008, 21:24
I also notice that you have no idea who you are responding to. I wonder how many posters you think I am...

All of them ;)
Tmutarakhan
13-02-2008, 22:20
I also notice that you have no idea who you are responding to. I wonder how many posters you think I am...

I assumed that "Gravlen" and "Gauthier" were two ID's of the same person. My apologies if this is not correct.
Gravlen
13-02-2008, 22:43
All of them ;)
I am, indeed, Legion...

I assumed that "Gravlen" and "Gauthier" were two ID's of the same person. My apologies if this is not correct.

Pfft! Clearly the goatee should make it clear that he's my evil twin.
Tmutarakhan
13-02-2008, 23:43
I am, indeed, Legion...



Pfft! Clearly the goatee should make it clear that he's my evil twin.

At least I didn't think you were the same as Andaras/Eureka.