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I remember when I was a kid, maybe 6 years old or so, when I was playing outside with the other kids in the apartment complex and heard a loud bang. It took a few moments, but we all suddenly realized that one of the windshield panes in a large stepvan had been smashed, presumably with a rock.

Nobody knew how it had happened, but a couple of days later a man, whom I later realized represented the insurance company, came to talk to me about what had happened, to try and determine who threw the rock. He was interviewing all the kids, of course, and it was just my turn.

So I told him what I remembered, and he asked me several detailed questions about exactly where each kid was standing. I told him, as best I could recall.

A couple days later, one of the kids who was there that day confronted me angrily. He said his younger brother had been accused of throwing the rock. I felt bad for him, but couldn't understand why I was being confronted. He said "You lied on my brother." Which caught me by surprise. I hadn't lied. I had told the investigator that this guys' brother had been standing next to the tree. Plain and simple. "How did I lie?" I asked him. "You said he was standing some two feet from the tree. He was farther than that." I couldn't imagine how that could possibly be relevant, but I knew I hadn't lied and I said so. He said to me: "You lied on us because we're black."

That was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard. What possible reason would I have to lie about somebody because of what color his skin was?

And so it was that I was introduced to the wonderful world of racism. This was in 1980 and I can only assume this kid had probably overheard his parents saying something like that, and was only parroting it. It hurt me greatly, because I wasn't a liar and I especially didn't care what color his skin was, but he wouldn't listen, and things between us were never the same after that.

So what's your story?

Errr, don't recall.

I went to a really crappy Lower school when I was ?-5 (the kind who would suggest that I was deaf:p) and there was a little racial squabble in the playground

I'm so glad I moved from there, for the strangeness I know someone who lived in the same area and moved at the same time to near where I live however we never knew each other and most likely walked past each other numerous times

I was in fourth grade and a kid said he once jumped out of a first floor window (I supposed there was something to land on) because he was pretending to be Superman. I found that confusing and told him "But Superman is white." I didn't understand the hurt look on his face till some time later.

I was first introduced to racism when I was sat next to the concept at my sister-in-law's dinner party. It spat in the gravy and got chucked out. I thought I saw it sneak back in and sit back down next to me and get into a fight with some chocolate mouse but nobody else could see it so I guess I must have been mistaken.

Went to the Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp historical site when I was 10.

I do not see how "you lied because we are black" is in any way an exposure to racism. If it were "you lied because you are white" then I'd see it. But racism is judgement of someone based on their race, and "you lied because we are black" doesn't make any judgement against you on account of your race. It may suggest that he believed you were predisposed ot be racists against him, which may be considered a bias.

But frankly I don't see how it could be construed as "racist"

I don't recall, but I remember my neighbor bringing up dirty Puerto Rican 'spics' in a conversation with my mother and father during a dinner conversation. Of course, my mother being a very light skinned Puerto Rican, they went off on him like an atomic bomb.

Being on holiday in Jamaica about 10 years or so ago, playing in the pool, playing with some other kids, then there was a black girl who kept on scratching me calling me "whitey".
So not a good one really.

Racism directed towards myself?

I've been called a 'dirty/stupid/bastard/etc Paddy' before and my girlfriends grandfather is of the 'No Dogs, No Irish' school of thought so whenever I visit her he refers to me as 'that immigrant'

I was working in my college's learning commons, though one might considered it a very large computer lab. Anyway, it was late in the day but I could see that there were people studying and in need of a environment that respected that. In the same area there was a group of students being loud. I could hear them all the way over where I was seated.

I stood up from my station and walked over. I told them that if they were going to talk and be this loud that this wasn't the place to do it, that if they wanted to do this that they ought to go to the cafeteria. One of the girls, a black girl, turned to me and asked me why they had to leave. Again, I said that they were being loud and people were trying to study.

The girl then said that there were few people in the learning commons, but that didn't matter to me because it was my job to maintain an environment where my peers could study. Plus, it was part of my duties to ask/force people to leave who weren't in compliance with the rules of the learning commons.

The security guard wound up getting involved but made it clear that we should just not cross paths, which was fine with me.

Anyway, the next day I got a call from one of the professors, who oversaw the students who worked as assistants for the professors and maintained the learning commons. I thought I was in deep shit, but when I got there I was asked why I hadn't reported the incident since it involved racism.

I panicked. I knew I hadn't said anything racist, and my boss assured me that it was nothing I said. It turns out that one of the students who had been studying while this happened overheard the conversation (which wasn't too hard given that the girl that was giving me a hard time was being loud), and had gone to report the girl for spouting racist speech against me.

Strange though, I guess being white makes you think that racism is not possible against you because you're white and even if it sounds like it, you can't assume that someone is being racist...

I do not see how "you lied because we are black" is in any way an exposure to racism. If it were "you lied because you are white" then I'd see it. But racism is judgement of someone based on their race, and "you lied because we are black" doesn't make any judgement against you on account of your race. It may suggest that he believed you were predisposed ot be racists against him, which may be considered a bias.

But frankly I don't see how it could be construed as "racist"

It pre-supposed that Neo was racist - that Neo had chosen to mistreat someone (to lie on them) based on the color of his skin.


As for me, I honestly don't remember when I was first exposed to actual racism. I can say that I apparently never saw a black person until I was almost 4 - when we moved to GA, because my mother has told stories about me trying to figure out why people at the mall had such dark skin.

I know I grew up around it, but I can't pinpoint an actual incident as my first exposure to it.

As if I can remember the first incident.

I grew up in a small, rural community that was pretty much divided between 'whites' and 'indians'. Being half and half, racism just was. It was an ever present factor of growing up there. I don't ever remember NOT knowing that some people were perfectly fine with treating you like shit because of what you looked like/where you lived/what your last name was (since our surnames were clearly 'white' or 'indian') etc.

Oddly enough, however, most people out there hadn't formed any sort of opinion whatsoever about OTHER ethinicities...so when I moved to a more metropolitan area, I lacked knowledge of some of the basic stereotypes associated with people other than whites and indians. For example...it was my last year of my undergrad before I heard that Scots were supposed to be cheap. Okay, Scots are white, but I guess we didn't have any Scots where I come from. Point being, some of the stereotypes I'm now aware of, I didn't learn until University.

I think I was most shocked though when I started advocating for immigrants...through my own family (sister-in-law etc) and for others. I could not believe the way people will treat you when your English isn't great. It's fucking disgusting.

It pre-supposed that Neo was racist - that Neo had chosen to mistreat someone (to lie on them) based on the color of his skin.

Exactly, it assumed he was the racists, but that doesn't necessarily make it a racist proposition in and of itself.

It may suggest that he believed you were predisposed ot be racists against him, which may be considered a bias.

I'd say the black kid was being racist rather than Neo Bretonnia there, which makes it an introduction to the world of racism. It's not like only caucasians can be racist - it's just that because of certain baggage Anglo-Saxons and the sorts (slavery) carry due to history that they seem to think that blacks are incapable of being racist. :p

Which they aren't. Hell, thinking that way would be racist in its own way, as it would somehow make blacks different from whites (and yellows/browns, who also are known to be capable of racism).

And yes, I consider pointless remarks like "you did thing X because I'm of skin color Y!" racist.

My first real exposure to racism (i.e. something not on TV or movies or history books but 'real' people engaged in racism) was when I chanced upon this racist website with all of these really horrible caricature cartoons. I was pretty shocked, because the line of 'thought' was so completely alien and incomprehensible that I had no idea what to really think of it.

Exactly, it assumed he was the racists, but that doesn't necessarily make it a racist proposition in and of itself.

But it certainly exposes him to racism. Racism is a concept. If the event required him to think about said concept, that's an exposure.

Regardless, I think you're reading too much into this.

I don't remember my first exposure. It was sort of always there and always silly to me and my friends. Our neighborhood had people from most races and lots of cultures. To the children, it seemed weird that such differences would be reasons to dislike one another. I remember I had a friend whose father wouldn't let us watch "black" shows. Paul. He used to come over to our place so he could watch Diff'rent Strokes. The parents in our neighborhood who tried to make us racist utterly failed.

Disneyworld. I was about 8, and we were in line for the monorail to go from one place to another. They’d filled it up, I guess, and tapped a couple of families to sit in the very front where the “conductor” was One family was white, the other black, and the father (I presume) of the white family said something about “not sitting with no n…..s” We were next in line and so we got to sit with them. I just remember feeling very confused – excited to be able to sit up in the front of this thing and embarrassed at the same time. I knew there were racists, but I'd never actually heard someone talk like that before.

It pre-supposed that Neo was racist - that Neo had chosen to mistreat someone (to lie on them) based on the color of his skin. I was wondering when someone would refer to Neo while quoting Neo... :p

Exactly, it assumed he was the racists, but that doesn't necessarily make it a racist proposition in and of itself.Why not? The belief that an action that does not benefit someone of a different skin color by a white individual is racist, is racist.

One that I will remember involved a girl. She was black and I'm white. She was enchanting so I asked her out.

She later had to cancel and she told me it was because her parents didn't want her going out with a white kid.

It was a damn shame.

Exactly, it assumed he was the racists, but that doesn't necessarily make it a racist proposition in and of itself.

No, but it would introduce a kid who hadn't ever thought about it to the concept of racism.

One that I will remember involved a girl. She was black and I'm white. She was enchanting so I asked her out.

She later had to cancel and she told me it was because her parents didn't want her going out with a white kid.

It was a damn shame.You just killed this one theory I had as to why your name was "The Black Forrest"... :(

You just killed this one theory I had as to why your name was "The Black Forrest"... :(

I just assumed was referring to the actual Black Forest in...Bavaria? My grasp of European geography isn't what it once was.

You just killed this one theory I had as to why your name was "The Black Forrest"... :(

:D Sorry. But now you can have a theory that I can't spell to save my life.

I just assumed was referring to the actual Black Forest in...Bavaria? My grasp of European geography isn't what it once was.

Correct! I saw the spelling mistake after I created the account. Too lazy to recreate I guess.

My first introduction to racism was reading "The Star Belly Sneetches" by Dr Seuss when I was 3. I also read a children's book about MLK around the same time, and it was quite a shock to me as a three year old why anyone would do that to another person.

For the longest time racism just was. It was just the way things were but I had no name to put to the concept so I couldn't separate it out. It wasn't until, I dunno, 3rd grade or so that a name had actually been put on the concept and I could see what was going on around me for what it was.

I just assumed was referring to the actual Black Forest in...Bavaria? My grasp of European geography isn't what it once was.I thought that first, but then I noticed that "Forrest" had two Rs. I thought it might have been a clever pun on the Black Forest by someone of African-American descent named Forrest.

:D Sorry. But now you can have a theory that I can't spell to save my life.

Correct! I saw the spelling mistake after I created the account. Too lazy to recreate I guess.But no, TBF is just incapable, lazy, and white! :p

Then again, I doubt this forum could have survived two prominent posters named Forrest...

Growing up in Fresno, CA in the 50's and 60's was pretty lily-white. I more or less knew that black people existed, but never met one until my junior year of high school (1963-64), when one suddenly popped up in my class, until then they had gone to Edison High, across town. I had no particular notions about him except that he was on the football team and was an average student - we were in completely different circles. The racism I grew up with was a little more insidious. I grew up thinking that Italians and Armenians weren't quite as bright as us Scots/Irish: that Japanese and Chinese were treacherous but brilliant, especially in math and science: that Catholics were robotic little automatons totally ruled by the Pope. Imagine my surprise, as I grew up, to find that none of this was true.

But frankly I don't see how it could be construed as "racist"

Yeah as a couple of people pointed out already I'm just saying it introduced me to the concept of racism. I don't think that kid really knew the rammifications of what he was saying any better than I did. Like I said, I think he was just parroting someone else.

I was wondering when someone would refer to Neo while quoting Neo... :p

So was I. hehe.

One that I will remember involved a girl. She was black and I'm white. She was enchanting so I asked her out.

She later had to cancel and she told me it was because her parents didn't want her going out with a white kid.

It was a damn shame.

I had a similar problem when I was in high school and started seeing an Iranian girl. Her parents let her hang out with me, but the restrictions were tremendous.

That begs to ask as to why that was. Cultural reasons (unmarried women not being allowed with other men)? Religious reasons (unmarried women not being allowed with other men / stick to men of the same faith)? Or actual racism (we want you to marry an Iranian and no one else)?

When I asked her about that she seemed to think it was a combination of factors. What I do know is not long after we called it off she was known to be quite affectionate with a guy who appeared to be from the same background.

I had a similar problem when I was in high school and started seeing an Iranian girl. Her parents let her hang out with me, but the restrictions were tremendous.That begs to ask as to why that was. Cultural reasons (unmarried women not being allowed with other men)? Religious reasons (unmarried women not being allowed with other men / stick to men of the same faith)? Or actual racism (we want you to marry an Iranian and no one else)?

i grew up in rural coastal maine in the 60s.

it was a pretty homogenous group--i dont think that anyone in my grade school had anything other than a british or french surname. we were an extremely white group. i doubt i ever laid eyes on a black person until i was 11 or 12 years old.

one of the local familes was a blended family where the widowed (white) father had married a widowed indian (feather not dot) woman. the children she brought to the marriage seemed very dark to us. when her son would get into a fight with the other boys, they would call him a ******.

its almost the only time i have heard real people use that word in anger.

My first exposure to racism was first year in what would be middle school (if it was american). We had an arabic guy and a black girl in our mostly white class. The girl was "popular", the guy not. The girl was selfish, arrogant and not very bright. We didn't get along. The guy was selfish, arrogant and not very bright. We didn't get along either. But the guy got picked on quite a lot by the "popular kids", and being the self-appointed keeper of the peace as I was back then, I frequently found myself coming to his aid. One time I asked him why they were picking on him and we had a short but revealing little exchange about the nature of race relations. He thought (whether or not this was true) they were picking on him because he looked different to them and stood out too much. I pointed out to him that the black girl looked different to the rest of them too, to which he responded that it wasn't cool to be mean to black kids.

To be fair, I didn't really get what he was getting at at the time. I just assumed there must be some other reason because a) being picked on because of how you look seems like a silly reason, b) it clearly didn't mesh with the fact that there was another person of a relatively uncommon race in the group doing the picking, and c) the guy had a whole number of other reasons that other people might pick on him for which I won't go into. But it was interesting looking back on it afterwards.

My paternal grandmother is from Georgia. When my dad was young, he used to torque her off by drinking from the black fountains. Later, he went down south on a 'drunken college lark' to help register black voters and ended up spending a weekend in jail. Grandma used to yell at him for listening to all that 'n***** music' (rock, rockabilly, jazz, etc). His stories were my first real introduction to racisim. Well, that and being around that grandma.

its almost the only time i have heard real people use that word in anger.

Lucky you. My grandma once told me I would look like one if I wore a hair tie I was admiring. Boy, do I love that grandma... She's eased up a whole hell of a lot since my brother started dating a lovely young lady from Gambia, though. Probably because she knows if she says word one against Naffie, the entire family will never speak to her again. We like Naffie.

I grew up in a black neighborhood and I was in preschool when I first remember racial stuff being said on the slide. The black kids were very much into the group mentality even then. You know, 10 guys on 1 in a fight and talking shit in groups, while acting decent on your own.

It was only in school that I was constantly told that white racism is the only thing that exists and nothing but denial and excuses for black racism. I had a lot of black teachers that didn't teach, but preached. Told us things like Davy Crockett and all those men at the Alamo were racists who wanted to bring slavery to Texas, blacks built the country, even if they only served as manual labor in one part of the country that was already developed, whites are responsible for all the problems in the black community. That's why I grew a realist really, I never accepted that bullshit, not even when I was 6-7. I don't think I ever had a teacher or professor that possessed any kind of real Machiavellian intelligence.

My paternal grandmother is from Georgia. When my dad was young, he used to torque her off by drinking from the black fountains. Later, he went down south on a 'drunken college lark' to help register black voters and ended up spending a weekend in jail. Grandma used to yell at him for listening to all that 'n***** music' (rock, rockabilly, jazz, etc). His stories were my first real introduction to racisim. Well, that and being around that grandma.

My grandmother still refers to my nephews as her little chocolate angels. Ah, racist old people, so cute.

My first exposure to racism was my grandmother who used to refer to other people always by mentioning their race/ethnic background and then adding the phrase "but a nice one." Such as, "You know Effie from the factory -- she's a Puerto Rican/black/Armenian/Jew/etc, but a nice one -- well, anyway, she said..." I think I heard the phrase "but a nice one" at least fifteen times a day, every day, for the first 18 years of my life.

Close on her heels came my grandfather, who avoided referring to people's ethnicities, but liked to discuss what he called "generalities," in which he claimed that, while individuals had to be judged case by case, whole groups could easily be dismissed according to stereotypes. So, after first issuing a disclaimer about how individuals Jews (for example) are perfectly normal people, he would then go on to rant about everything he hated about "Jews" as a group.

I do not remember a time when I did not think they were both full of shit. However, I don't think I ever heard anyone use offensive pejorative racial language out loud in public, because this was New York City, where people would get punched or shot for that kind of thing.

My grandmother still refers to my nephews as her little chocolate angels. Ah, racist old people, so cute.

In her mind is it affection or is she really racist?

I know a mixed couple and he refers to her as his chocolate love. She doesn't mind it.

I grew up in a family of racist jerks, except for my grandma who was racist but smart enough to know it was wrong so she would not tolerate racist jokes or comments around the grandchildren, she couldn't get rid of her own bias but didn't want it to cycle to the next generation of our family. For the most part it didn't work. I am probably the only one who made it out without major misconceptions about race (like thinking black people have darker blood, or that Mexicans are more prone to head lice or any of the other BS that's taken as truth around here)

In her mind is it affection or is she really racist?

I know a mixed couple and he refers to her as his chocolate love. She doesn't mind it.
It can easily be both.

th e first time i heard about racism was from my teacher in school when she taught us about slavery. and then later I heard the word ****** in a rap song and someone told me that it was racist.

The three instances I can remember that triangulate my encounters with racism were-

At a young age being called a '****** lover' because my best friend was black.

My grandma's boyfriend saying, "Look at those monkey's jump!" when a basketball game came on.

When I returned to public school, people calling my Indian (from India) friend a camel jockey. (I remember turning to him at the time and asking if he had ever even seen a camel, to which he said, "Well, yeah, once. At a zoo. You know, the one downtown?" I did know.)

A great punctuation on all of that was I picking up that first friend from, of all places, Berkeley, where he was going to school. It was the end of the semester and I was going to give him a ride home with all of his stuff. I went to get gas and he sat by his stuff and a cop came up to him and accused him of stealing all of that stuff. He took down his info and said if he was there when he came back he'd arrest him. He spent the drive home calling himself the 'Great Blanket Thief of Berkeley!' It was easier for the officer to assume that he was a thief than it was that he was a student going home at the end of the semester.

Football match, Ipswich vs Arsenal in either '94 or '95. Probably 1994. Arsenal won 5-1, with Ian Wright scoring a hat-trick. Anyway, I was in part of the home crowd, and I remember some guy behind me after Wrighty got his third saying "F---ing black scum".

I can't remember any single first exposure to racism. The more rural side of my family contains several racists, and I have often been made uncomfortable at family gatherings involving them. My mother, too, has certain racist tendencies. (She's not too bad - she is intellectually aware that racism is stupid, but she still unconsciously assumes things like "neighborhood with many black residents = horrible, crime-ridden neighborhood.") My father, however, grew up fairly poor and had black friends and neighbors whom he regularly played with, so that side of the family displays no discernible trace of racism.

I do, however, have a good story about my first reaction to different races. When I was about two, I met a little black boy about my own age, and apparently spent some time staring at him in fascination before turning to my mother and declaring, "Mommy, that little boy is entirely covered in Hershey's chocolate!" I was apparently exceedingly jealous. My mother says she was worried the boy's mother would take offense, but she found my comment very funny, too. :p

I think I probably first experienced racism, as I imagine most Scottish folks do, in relation to English people rather than anyone of an ethnic minority.

Thinking back on it, I can’t remember any specific instances of racism during my childhood that related to someone’s skin colour, most probably because I come from a town that has only maybe three or four non-white families. But I remember loads of anti-English sentiments, sometimes said in jest, sometimes said rather vehemently.

Once I moved to a more multicultural area (first Leith, in Edinburgh, then to the West End of Glasgow) I heard more skin colour-related racism, but again this seemed to be drowned out by anti-English sentiments and sectarian nonsense.

I do, however, have a good story about my first reaction to different races. When I was about two, I met a little black boy about my own age, and apparently spent some time staring at him in fascination before turning to my mother and declaring, "Mommy, that little boy is entirely covered in Hershey's chocolate!" I was apparently exceedingly jealous. My mother says she was worried the boy's mother would take offense, but she found my comment very funny, too. :p

LOL

My mother tells me that, when I first saw a black family, I walked up to the mother and asked her, "Can I have some of that chocolate?" She very nicely and calmly explained to me that it was her skin color, not chocolate. She then apparently gave my mother a very odd look.

I thought I was the only one who had a story like that, but maybe it's just that kids love candy and it's the first thing to come to mind when they aren't used to dark skin and first see it?

LOL

My mother tells me that, when I first saw a black family, I walked up to the mother and asked her, "Can I have some of that chocolate?" She very nicely and calmly explained to me that it was her skin color, not chocolate. She then apparently gave my mother a very odd look.

I thought I was the only one who had a story like that, but maybe it's just that kids love candy and it's the first thing to come to mind when they aren't used to dark skin and first see it?

apparently when I was about 2 or 3 I saw a black man in the store and asked my grandma why he was dirty, and she explained that judging from his coveralls he probably worked on cars or outside or something and I said "no, gamma, why is his skin so dirty" and she explained again it was probably grease on his hands from working on engines or something and I said "no gamma! his whole body is black!" and she said "oh! he's black" and I was like "yeah, I said so, why is he black?" and he walked up and said "I was born this way" and I said "sorry"

I don't remember it, but it's a story been passed down forever.

Can't really remember a single 'exposure' to racism, I was too young to remember anything in Edinburgh, and that's hardly a place where you're likely to be exposed to it; I only lived in London for a year, although I'm told if my parents had chosen to stay there I'd have been the only white kid in my class; so that narrows it down to Essex. Undoubtedly introduced to it by silly kids thinking racist jokes are funny, rather like homophobia, although I can't remember doing it myself.

It can easily be both.

Yes, it's both. My grandmother really is cute. She talks about "the gays" all the time. She is stuck on this story about some people that used to live in a home she was in. One of the couple died and the other, despite being a life-long partner and homemaker, was entirely destroyed. They had no rights. In fact, when their partner was dying they couldn't even get in to see them, because they weren't "family". She's so old school, but it touched her so much that while so many new memories are dropping by the wayside, she tells that story every time she talks to me. My grandmother is the biggest supporter of gay marriage I've ever met.

I think I probably first experienced racism, as I imagine most Scottish folks do, in relation to English people rather than anyone of an ethnic minority.
I've now learned either to ignore it, or know it's meant in jest. At least England can now swallow a little humble pie when it comes to football, which is when, in my experience, the idiocy is at its worst. Although come to think of it, my dad told me there was only one bloke supporting Ukraine down at the Chequers, screaming the usual benefits, stealing our money, scroungers, etc, etc, after the result came in.

I’ve now learned either to ignore it, or know it’s meant in jest. At least England can now swallow a little humble pie when it comes to football, which is when, in my experience, the idiocy is at its worst.
Football-related bigotry/sectarianism is absolutely inane.

And I’m always embarrassed when jovial ribbing of our friends south-of-the-border turns into something much more distasteful.

LOL

My mother tells me that, when I first saw a black family, I walked up to the mother and asked her, "Can I have some of that chocolate?" She very nicely and calmly explained to me that it was her skin color, not chocolate. She then apparently gave my mother a very odd look.

I thought I was the only one who had a story like that, but maybe it's just that kids love candy and it's the first thing to come to mind when they aren't used to dark skin and first see it?

Heh, maybe. I think we'd have to test this by finding out if small black children think white people are made of marshmallow or something. :p

Exactly, it assumed he was the racists, but that doesn't necessarily make it a racist proposition in and of itself.

But, Neo, it assumed he was the racist, only because he wasn't black!

It may be paradoxical, but if you believe "All Whites are Racist" you are a racist.

It's like paranoia. If you believe "All the Paranoids are out to get me!" you ARE paranoid.

My exposure to racism came extremely late in life, damn near my graduation from high school.

I was born and raised in North Canton, Ohio, a town composed almost entirely of European Americans, and of those a significant majority were of German descent. (To give you an idea of this, an example I use that's couched in stereotypes is that our high school basketball team was composed entirely of white guys, for all four years I was at Hoover) We had a substantial number of Jews, East Asians and South Asians, but very little African Americans. I grew up around affluent and successful people, and those of minority ethnicities were also affluent and successful.

I was generally not exposed to racism, because, generally, the opportunity for racism to exist was not present, regardless of the good Reverend Sharpton's claims to the contrary. Regardless, there was a substantial degree of de facto segregation in the community, whether I realized it or not, at the time.

The first time I cam across out and out verbalized racism was in Atlanta, where I was confronted by a group of black youths chanting "The OC, the OC, 90210, 90210" at me, because I was dressed nicely. After two or three cycles through this television themed bit, one of them came forward, with even greater vitriol that included terms such as "cracker" and "whitey", and demands that I leave their area.

I can't even remember the time I first encountered racism, though.

Among little kids in that neighborhood in New York City, at the time, it was simply "assumed" that all the kids of any other specific group had certain group characteristics. It was simply assumed, for example, that one group of kids "owned" a certain side of the playground, and would defend it from other kids of the wrong kind.

The same way all the little kids assumed that the old abandoned house was the scene of something gruesome and horrible.

Anywhere the ice cream truck showed up was neutral ground, though. It was a strange thing. Kids segregated into gangs and packs, but when that white truck stopped, everyone yelled "ICE CREAM" and mobbed it, and then everyone belonged to the same society, for a while.

In her mind is it affection or is she really racist?

I know a mixed couple and he refers to her as his chocolate love. She doesn't mind it.
Heh, am I the only one who thought of Scrubs when I read the quote? (specifically, J.D. and Turk)


As for my first exposure... as a concept, I'm not quite sure. I know that, at least, it never occurred to me when I was younger, to even notice much difference when people had darker skin. I mean, I never thought much about hair color, and is skin color really any different?

It was probably when I learned about slavery that I first encountered the concept that skin color was, for many people, quite different than hair color or eye color is, but even then, I didn't realize that racism still existed. My first encounter with actual racism, as opposed to just the concept, was probably somewhere in high school. I actually didn't even know all the stereotypes until at least my senior year (in fact, I probably still don't know some of them...)
Indeed, in hindsight, I see several examples that I previously missed. For example, somebody once made a joke about a friend of mine liking fried chicken. Now, I thought it was a little amusing because he really did like chicken, and almost always brought some wings to school for lunch.
It wasn't till much later that I learned that it was a racial joke!
Or in Scary Movie, the scene where that one girl is in the movie theater. I didn't get the racial joke that black people won't shut up during movies. I just thought that the character was just being a bitch and not shutting up. Again, it wasn't until later that I learned about that stereotype.

Would that nobody learned any of those stereotypes ever again. :(

I can't even remember the time I first encountered racism, though.

Among little kids in that neighborhood in New York City, at the time, it was simply "assumed" that all the kids of any other specific group had certain group characteristics. It was simply assumed, for example, that one group of kids "owned" a certain side of the playground, and would defend it from other kids of the wrong kind.

The same way all the little kids assumed that the old abandoned house was the scene of something gruesome and horrible.

Anywhere the ice cream truck showed up was neutral ground, though. It was a strange thing. Kids segregated into gangs and packs, but when that white truck stopped, everyone yelled "ICE CREAM" and mobbed it, and then everyone belonged to the same society, for a while.

You know, I experienced a similar thing, but the groups weren't divided along racial lines for us. It was more who your friends were, which was, I would guess from my own experiences, largely decided by who your neighbors and classmates had been, or whose parents were friends with each other.

But, like with you, the ice cream truck was the great unifying force. You didn't care who else was in the crowd with you, as long as they didn't cut in line. :D

I was 10 years old and on a youth football team. I come from a working middle class family, and on this team was some black kid who lived in the projects. A real degenerate, hated all the white kids on the team, but took a keen interest in tormenting me. Maybe because I was a skinny, lanky kid. Ironically, in return, everyone hated him, black and white.

98 % of the racism examples I see here is blacks being racist, so I guess now the shoe is on the other foot.

98 % of the racism examples I see here is blacks being racist, so I guess now the shoe is on the other foot.

Yeah, that 12% of the population that disproportionately represented in our prison system, institutional poverty, etc. is sure keeping whitey down...

If they have a lot of blacks in jails, that means *gasp* a lot of blacks ARE ACTUALLY CRIMINALS.

Get ye to a sociology class...

If they have a lot of blacks in jails, that means *gasp* a lot of blacks ARE ACTUALLY CRIMINALS.
Or it means that the criminal system is institutionally racist.

I'd repeat CTOAN's advice.

Yeah, that 12% of the population that disproportionately represented in our prison system, institutional poverty, etc. is sure keeping whitey down...


If they have a lot of blacks in jails, that means *gasp* a lot of blacks ARE ACTUALLY CRIMINALS.

If they have a lot of blacks in jails, that means *gasp* a lot of blacks ARE ACTUALLY CRIMINALS.

You make the assumption they have the freewill not to commit crime.
This is not true.
It's probably due to lack of money and a polarisation of ethnic groups in a certain society that leads to a group of people more likely to commit crime than another.
That and if you're poor you can't afford a really good lawyer, if you have lots of money you can afford a good lawyer, and get away with not serving in jail.

Most of the "gangsters" I see are actually blacks and white boy black wanna-be's. I am not denying that there are white racist gang's but there sure are a WHOLE bunch of latino and black ones compaired to their population.
... well aye, 'cause they're poor. Jeeeesus.

Or it means that the criminal system is institutionally racist.

I'd repeat CTOAN's advice.

Most of the "gangsters" I see are actually blacks and white boy black wanna-be's. I am not denying that there are white racist gang's but there sure are a WHOLE bunch of latino and black ones compaired to their population.

Not to long ago I watched a show called court TV for about 2 weeks. 97% persent of the violent robbers and criminals were black about 1% were whiteand 2% was latino. On speeding and road chase crimes about 94% were white, 4% was black and 2% latino. That tells me that whites are more likly to speed and run away from cops and blacks are more likely to violently hurt or kill a person.
...

Yes, well done. Although your claim of 97% of criminals being black is pretty dubious.

That tells me that whites are more likly to speed and run away from cops and blacks are more likely to violently hurt or kill a person.
And your post tells me you know shit all about statistics or criminology.

Not to long ago I watched a show called court TV for about 2 weeks. 97% persent of the violent robbers and criminals were black about 1% were whiteand 2% was latino. On speeding and road chase crimes about 94% were white, 4% was black and 2% latino. That tells me that whites are more likly to speed and run away from cops and blacks are more likely to violently hurt or kill a person.

That tells us that

a) You assign percentages willy nilly.

b) You don't know the difference between a TV show and a channel.

c) You base large social observations on flimsy anecdotal evidence.

Not to long ago I watched a show called court TV for about 2 weeks. 97% of the violent robbers and criminals were black about 1% were white and 2% was latino. On speeding and road chase crimes about 94% were white, 4% was black and 2% latino. That tells me that whites are more likly to speed and run away from cops and blacks are more likely to violently hurt or kill a person.

Or a mixture of an institutionally racist system and a disparate economic background.
Indeed. I think we can agree that the idea that a certain skin colour makes you more violent is just bizarrely wrong.

Or it means that the criminal system is institutionally racist.

Or a mixture of an institutionally racist system and a disparate economic background.

Indeed. I think we can agree that the idea that a certain skin colour makes you more violent is just bizarrely wrong.

:eek:

You are not trying to suggest that all blacks are not gangsta rappers?

Your sampling methoid is quite dubious...

Indeed.

That tells us that

a) You assign percentages willy nilly.

b) You don't know the difference between a TV show and a channel.

c) You base large social observations on flimsy anecdotal evidence.

Your right about b), aside from that the show I watched takes real live cams from cop cars, copters and video surveillance devices and play's a lot of crimes. I watched the various shows and that show in particular for 2 weeks and of the crimes I saw...anyway, I stick with my percentages. (When I did my percentages I did not mean total, just what I watched.

Your right about b), aside from that the show I watched takes real live cams from cop cars, copters and video surveillance devices and play's a lot of crimes. I watched the various shows and that show in particular for 2 weeks and of the crimes I saw...anyway, I stick with my percentages. (When I did my percentages I did not mean total, just what I watched.
Your sampling methoid is quite dubious...

Your sampling methoid is quite dubious...

Hey now! You aren't trying to suggest that they might actually edit the shows??????

:eek:

You are not trying to suggest that all blacks are not gangsta rappers?
Fo sho, cracka.

Hey now! You aren't trying to suggest that they might actually edit the shows??????
Or that they didn't mention the ethnicities of the criminals involved, or that they were in an area with disproportionate numbers of black guys, or that he wrote hispanics down as blacks, or so many other factors?

If they have a lot of blacks in jails, that means *gasp* a lot of blacks ARE ACTUALLY CRIMINALS.

Why do you think a lot of blacks are criminals?

Or that they didn't mention the ethnicities of the criminals involved, or that they were in an area with disproportionate numbers of black guys, or that he wrote hispanics down as blacks, or so many other factors?

Or that they were indeed black.

Read what I was responding to.

I read it. If the reason that blacks are overrepresented in prisons is that they're more likely to be criminals why do you think blacks are more likely to be criminals?

Why do you think a lot of blacks are criminals?

Read what I was responding to.

Not to long ago I watched a show called court TV for about 2 weeks. 97% of the violent robbers and criminals were black about 1% were white and 2% was latino. On speeding and road chase crimes about 94% were white, 4% was black and 2% latino. That tells me that whites are more likly to speed and run away from cops and blacks are more likely to violently hurt or kill a person.

I always hate this question, because really it's ad hominem, however, there is no getting around the obvious juvenility of the post. How old are you? Seriously, what adult thinks that a television show is representative? Do you believe that 100% of rich families adopt the two black children of their maid as well?

98 % of the racism examples I see here is blacks being racist, so I guess now the shoe is on the other foot.

...anyway, I stick with my percentages.
Are you sure you want to do that? I compiled a total up to the point of your first post there.

There were 35 instances reported.

Of them, 14 were undetermined instances or instances that involved nationality or some other factor or were things like learning in school.

7 of them were instances of 'black on white' racism.

14 of them were instances of 'white on black' or 'white on other minority group' racism.

This means the 20% of the examples are blacks being racist, 40% whites being racist and 40% undetermined.

Now. Do you really want to stand by your percentages?

:eek:

You are not trying to suggest that all blacks are not gangsta rappers?

All black males, most black females, and a couple of white kids with weird things cut from their eyebrows and hair. Duh.

My Personal Experience of Racial Profiling

I was with my black friend who was a good college student, and who did not do anything criminal ever. He did not even do drugs like many college students. He was my roommate so was sure of this.He drove an old brown car because he personally could not afford better. He was repeatedly pulled over by the police in excess but never given a ticket.

I personally experienced this when me and him were on our way to get something to eat one afternoon. The police stopped us. They asked us where we were going and we said to eat. The policeman said "That is what they all say." They proceeded to get us out of the car and stand us beside the road to physically search us WITHOUT giving a reason. One policeman was smugly smilign the whole time. The cop yelled at me what was in my pocket I had forgotten but it was a fingernail clipper. They tore his car apart looking for something but found nothing. They then let us go without a ticket, the whole time giving no reason as to why we were pulled over.

I read it. If the reason that blacks are overrepresented in prisons is that they're more likely to be criminals why do you think blacks are more likely to be criminals?

Because there are so many of them in prison compaired to their population.

Are you sure you want to do that? I compiled a total up to the point of your first post there.

There were 35 instances reported.

Of them, 14 were undetermined instances or instances that involved nationality or some other factor or were things like learning in school.

7 of them were instances of 'black on white' racism.

14 of them were instances of 'white on black' or 'white on other minority group' racism.

This means the 20% of the examples are blacks being racist, 40% whites being racist and 40% undetermined.

Now. Do you really want to stand by your percentages?


The percentages of instances on the channel.

My Personal Experience of Racial Profiling

I was with my black friend who was a good college student, and who did not do anything criminal ever. He did not even do drugs like many college students. He was my roommate so was sure of this.He drove an old brown car because he personally could not afford better. He was repeatedly pulled over by the police in excess but never given a ticket.

I personally experienced this when me and him were on our way to get something to eat one afternoon. The police stopped us. They asked us where we were going and we said to eat. The policeman said "That is what they all say." They proceeded to get us out of the car and stand us beside the road to physically search us WITHOUT giving a reason. One policeman was smugly smilign the whole time. The cop yelled at me what was in my pocket I had forgotten but it was a fingernail clipper. They tore his car apart looking for something but found nothing. They then let us go without a ticket, the whole time giving no reason as to why we were pulled over.

That may or may not have been racism, but either way, those cops were out of line. Sorry :(.

Because there are so many of them in prison compaired to their population.

:headbang:

Can you really not comprehend your native tongue?

What causes them to commit more crimes? Why do black people commit more crimes than white people, according to you?

Because there are so many of them in prison compaired to their population.

Yes, I understand that. I'm not asking about statistics or numbers or inferences or whatever.

Okay, take this as the statement: "black people are disproportionately criminal"

I'm not asking you why you believe it to be true.

I'm asking: if it is true, what are the reasons that this is the case? What is it about black people that means that they are disproportionately criminal?

:headbang:

Can you really not comprehend your native tongue?

What causes them to commit more crimes? Why do black people commit more crimes than white people, according to you?

Not MORE maybe, but more compared to their population.

I was raised believing that racism was correct, so I guess you could say I was introduced to it at birth. (I've since changed)

Or that they were indeed black.
In 97% of cases?

Incidentally, your sample of two weeks' worth of programming is too small, and the idea that you'd have enough to get a 97% percentage is ridiculous.

They were raised or joined in a gang culture I am guessing, once you are in it is hard to get out.
A cracka like you wouldn't understizzle, fo shizzle.

97% Of the criminals I SAW, how many times do I have to say this?
What shows, which channels, what dates and times?

Yes, I understand that. I'm not asking about statistics or numbers or inferences or whatever.

Okay, take this as the statement: "black people are disproportionately criminal"

I'm not asking you why you believe it to be true.

I'm asking: if it is true, what are the reasons that this is the case? What is it about black people that means that they are disproportionately criminal?

They were raised or joined in a gang culture I am guessing, once you are in it is hard to get out.

Edit: Wait, thats not right.. *ahem* Quite a few of them are part of gangs or part of the greater gang culture.

The percentages of instances on the channel.

But seeing as how you were off 78% on the only verifiable instance of your applied percentages, that's 78%, you don't think your other percentages might be put into question, just a little bit?

Ok Ok I was too lazy to look up the posts unlike you, but still, there are quite a few reverse racism scenarios here.
It was classic bullshitting tbqh.

But yes, black guy(ette)s and hispanic chap(ette)s can be racist too.

But seeing as how you were off 78% on the only verifiable instance of your applied percentages, that's 78%, you don't think your other percentages might be put into question, just a little bit?

Ok Ok I was too lazy to look up the posts unlike you, but still, there are quite a few reverse racism scenarios here.

They were raised or joined in a gang culture I am guessing, once you are in it is hard to get out.

Edit: Wait, thats not right.. *ahem* Quite a few of them are part of gangs or part of the greater gang culture.

Why do you think black people are disproportionately likely to joing gangs?

At this point I should point out I'm not looking for data on gang membership by ethnicity :)

Ok Ok I was too lazy to look up the posts unlike you, but still, there are quite a few reverse racism scenarios here.

There's lazy and then there's WTF? You assigned 98% to something that didn't even make up a majority, 98% of something that was only 1/5th of the instances, 98% to something that was out numbered 2 to 1 in each of the other categories. There were twice as many instances of white racism when you said "98%" and that the shoe was on the other foot.

There's lazy and then there is 'makin' shit up' and 'seeing what you want to see.'

What shows, which channels, what dates and times?

Lets see, court tv (channel) it is now called tru (not true, tru) TV, the show that I can think of is "most shocking", and the various shows about stuff like that is on most of the day.

They probably are either born into one or just think it's "cool" to be a rebel.
Fo sho, so they can buss caps at the Po po.

Why do you think black people are disproportionately likely to joing gangs?

At this point I should point out I'm not looking for data on gang membership by ethnicity :)

They probably are either born into one or just think it's "cool" to be a rebel.

Many of the arguments against blacks having a higher criminal percentage, are to be honest typical multi-cult-ural (Yes i spelt it that way) and liberal tripe.

Considering only 33% of black family's are of the middle class, and the vast majority of the rest in poverty, it's no wonder they make up a higher percentage of crime in their own population. Poverty.

I'm black myself, and I believe this to be the reason.

Many of the arguments against blacks having a higher criminal percentage, are to be honest typical multi-cult-ural (Yes i spelt it that way) and liberal tripe.

Prove it or stop blowing out your ass.

Anyone who thinks Court TV or any of those shows like COPS are representative of crime are lacking in cognitive capabilities. Those shows are designed to increase viewer ratings. Often skewed for such purposes.

Yes there are a fair number of "blacks" in jail, but it's like lumping all white or Asian or any group of people into one homogeneous group. There are many ethnic divides. Plus some of those "black" people aren't African or Caribbean. Further, "blacks" are not one magical continuous group of people; there are many ethnic divides.

I want to see real statistics and not some random shit pulled out of yours or anyone else's ass. I find it hard to believe that 97% (or whatever that random, sourceless number was that Kontor quoted) is black. I will agree that there are blacks who are criminals, just as whites are, but the numbers given are rather suspicious and lacking in credibility.

Prove it or stop blowing out your ass.

Anyone who thinks Court TV or any of those shows like COPS are representative of crime are lacking in cognitive capabilities. Those shows are designed to increase viewer ratings. Often skewed for such purposes.

Yes there are a fair number of "blacks" in jail, but it's like lumping all white or Asian or any group of people into one homogeneous group. There are many ethnic divides. Plus some of those "black" people aren't African or Caribbean. Further, "blacks" are not one magical continuous group of people; there are many ethnic divides.

I want to see real statistics and not some random shit pulled out of yours or anyone else's ass. I find it hard to believe that 97% (or whatever that random, sourceless number was that Kontor quoted) is black. I will agree that there are blacks who are criminals, just as whites are, but the numbers given are rather suspicious and lacking in credibility.


Prove it? Well the liberals and Multi-Cult-urals always spout this crap for one. I have no idea why you are going on about court shows but if i wanted to watch black people involved in crime I'll watch Crime Watch. I never said that 97% rubbish, That was SOMEONE else. That was my first post.

all i am saying that those excuses spouted are typical liberal and Multi-cult-ural tripe.

What statistics do you want anyway? I can't formulate a good response if your blaming me for what other people have said.

Prove it? Well the liberals and Multi-Cult-urals always spout this crap for one. I have no idea why you are going on about court shows but if i wanted to black people involved in crime I'll watch Crime Watch. I never said that 97% rubbish, That was SOMEONE else. That was my first post.

all i am saying that those excuses spouted are typical liberal and Multi-cult-ural tripe.

What statistics do you want anyway? I can't formulate a good response if your blaming me for what other people have said.

Could you cut the Multi-cult-ural crap. We get it, you don't need to beat the dead horse in the mouth. If you think that is a good play on words, then you are sadly mistaken.

Prove it? Well the liberals and Multi-Cult-urals always spout this crap for one. I have no idea why you are going on about court shows but if i wanted to black people involved in crime I'll watch Crime Watch. I never said that 97% rubbish, That was SOMEONE else. That was my first post.

all i am saying that those excuses spouted are typical liberal and Multi-cult-ural tripe.

What statistics do you want anyway? I can't formulate a good response if your blaming me for what other people have said.
Your odd spelling of multicultural put aside for the moment, some decent statistics on the proportion of black people in prison relative to their socio-economic status would be nice.

Back to my original point - Multi-Cult-Urals? What the fuck is that?

They probably are either born into one or just think it's "cool" to be a rebel.

And why do you think black people are disproportionately likely to be born into gangs or to think it is cool to be a rebel?

Click Stand;13373983']Could you cut the Multi-cult-ural crap. We get it, you don't need to beat the dead horse in the mouth. If you think that is a good play on words, then you are sadly mistaken.

No, i will use it. Its quoted for truth. It may not be a good play on words but tis true.

And why do you think black people are disproportionately likely to be born into gangs or to think it is cool to be a rebel?

Because that is what black culture promotes.

One thing, you you noticed the brackets in my previous post, l I did say that it was someone else who had said it, I just didn't feel the need to specifically quote that person, since others were dealing with him. I wasn't blaming you for someone Kontor said. Though I will laugh at you because you skipped over the part in the parenthesis that clarified this.

And how can you prove that it's "always liberals" and... what the hell is this "Multi-Cult-urals"? That's the more inane thing I've ever seen. Exactly what is this supposed to mean anyway? It makes no sense in the context you're using it. You're using an adjective as a noun and it doesn't work that way!

If you need to know valid usage as well as the correct meaning, the dictionary is a good place to start: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=multicultural

You can say 'til you're blue in the face that this is "liberal" tripe, but I'm asking for proof. Stats. Information. None of which has been provided to substantiate these points you're making.


Right well i do not want to be associated with some one else argument so why bother?

As for Multi-Cult-Urals would you like em to explain? Its a play on words, because multiculturalism is a essentially a cult. Another play on words: you cannot have multiculturalism with a cult.
As for your reference i know perfectly well what a multicultural is thanks.

As i said last post what stats and what links do you want?

Prove it? Well the liberals and Multi-Cult-urals always spout this crap for one. I have no idea why you are going on about court shows but if i wanted to black people involved in crime I'll watch Crime Watch. I never said that 97% rubbish, That was SOMEONE else. That was my first post.

all i am saying that those excuses spouted are typical liberal and Multi-cult-ural tripe.

What statistics do you want anyway? I can't formulate a good response if your blaming me for what other people have said.

One thing, you you noticed the brackets in my previous post, l I did say that it was someone else who had said it, I just didn't feel the need to specifically quote that person, since others were dealing with him. I wasn't blaming you for someone Kontor said. Though I will laugh at you because you skipped over the part in the parenthesis that clarified this.

And how can you prove that it's "always liberals" and... what the hell is this "Multi-Cult-urals"? That's the more inane thing I've ever seen. Exactly what is this supposed to mean anyway? It makes no sense in the context you're using it. You're using an adjective as a noun and it doesn't work that way!

If you need to know valid usage as well as the correct meaning, the dictionary is a good place to start: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=multicultural

You can say 'til you're blue in the face that this is "liberal" tripe, but I'm asking for proof. Stats. Information. None of which has been provided to substantiate these points you're making.

No, i will use it. Its quoted for truth. It may not be a good play on words but tis true.

No I quoted it for falsehood, I don't see where it was quoted for truth. Also for it to be true, it has to make sense. So are people who believe in multiculturalism a cult, if so it is a pretty big cult. Cults usually don't contain millions of people.

Your odd spelling of multicultural put aside for the moment, some decent statistics on the proportion of black people in prison relative to their socio-economic status would be nice.

Back to my original point - Multi-Cult-Urals? What the fuck is that?

Why do you want them? I am going on about the liberals a Multi-cult-urals not crime statistics.

Oh, thats a part of it, no doubt about that.

But try reading what Maraque posted.

Read it , whats your point?

Because that is what black culture promotes.

Oh, thats a part of it, no doubt about that.

But try reading what Maraque posted.

Click Stand;13374016']No I quoted it for falsehood, I don't see where it was quoted for truth. Also for it to be true, it has to make sense. So are people who believe in multiculturalism a cult, if so it is a pretty big cult. Cults usually don't contain millions of people.

But that doesn't mean they can't. The western world has basically become "multicultural" through and through.

As for Multi-Cult-Urals would you like em to explain? Its a play on words, because multiculturalism is a essentially a cult. Another play on words: you cannot have multiculturalism with a cult.
As for your reference i know perfectly well what a multicultural is thanks.


"In religion and sociology, a cult is a term designating a cohesive group of people (generally, but not exclusively a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be outside the mainstream". If you think that matches multiculturalism then you clearly don't know what multiculturalism is.

Why does he want them? Perhaps because one has a dramatic effect on the other?

Well I'm not here to argue statistics but i can refer you to place you will probably find a good stock of them:

http://www.panaryan.com/forum/index.php

I think it should have some but i haven't really been on it.

Why do you want them? I am going on about the liberals a Multi-cult-urals not crime statistics.

Why does he want them? Perhaps because one has a dramatic effect on the other?

"In religion and sociology, a cult is a term designating a cohesive group of people (generally, but not exclusively a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be outside the mainstream". If you think that matches multiculturalism then you clearly don't know what multiculturalism is.

Well lets ee Multiculturalism:

-Recently founded
-Cohesive group of people
-devoted to beliefs and practices
-Was fringe but soon became mainstream

Well i think thats pretty close don't you?

Why are you using an adjective as a noun?

Liberal is both a noun and an adjective. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal

Multicultural is only an adjective. It is not a noun. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=multicultural

Did you not listen to me? Its a play on words! Something i use because of what i think about Multiculturalism. Get of your high horse, i don't care.

No, i will use it. Its quoted for truth. It may not be a good play on words but tis true.
True? That multiculturalism is a group of multiple cults from a mountain range in Russia?

Hardly.

http://www.panaryan.com/forum/index.php
Pan Aryan Alliance?

Oooooh right...

But that doesn't mean they can't. The western world has basically become "multicultural" through and through.

And...whats wrong with the west becoming 'multicultural'?

What is your definition of muliculturalism anyway?

Why do you want them? I am going on about the liberals a Multi-cult-urals not crime statistics.

Why are you using an adjective as a noun?

Liberal is both a noun and an adjective. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal

Multicultural is only an adjective. It is not a noun. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=multicultural

Well I'm not here to argue statistics but i can refer you to place you will probably find a good stock of them:

http://www.panaryan.com/forum/index.php

I think it should have some but i haven't really been on it.

Wow, a site with zero credibility! How about something impartial (or neutral)... and perhaps a link to some actual statistics.

True? That multiculturalism is a group of multiple cults from a mountain range in Russia?

Hardly.


Pan Aryan Alliance?

Oooooh right...

When did i say it was from Russia?

Check it out rather than disregarding it.

Wow, a site with zero credibility! How about something impartial (or neutral)... and perhaps a link to some actual statistics.

Theres links on the site, hence why i gave you that link :eek:

When did i say it was from Russia?
The Urals, squire.

Well lets ee Multiculturalism:

-Recently founded
-Cohesive group of people
-devoted to beliefs and practices
-Was fringe but soon became mainstream

Well i think thats pretty close don't you?

Cohesive? Not at all. There's no multicultural lobby. Despite what you think, no one is plotting this. It's just what people think.
Devoted? Oh please. Most "multiculturalists" (i.e normal people) don't give the idea a second thought.
And it is mainstream, so it doesn't meet the criteria of being outside the mainstream.

Basically your argument for it being a cult is that there were slaves two hundred years ago.

Well lets ee Multiculturalism:

-Recently founded
-Cohesive group of people
-devoted to beliefs and practices
-Was fringe but soon became mainstream

Well i think thats pretty close don't you?
No, I think you have no perspective on history whatsoever.

Europe, especially Great Britain (huzzah huzzah) has been multicultural for the best part of a couple of thousand years, indeed the French values of a 'French' state, and the Prussian values of a 'German' state have only really come about and developed in the last two-hundred odd years.

Ahh right, yet another NSer who fails to understand that its a play on words! Really know, try to keep up!
I understood it well, squire, and pointed it out in one of my posts.

Really now, come on.

In 3rd grade, some girl told me to "Go back to Africa".

Pretty funny considering how I'm Jamaican-Native American. I should've told her to go back to Europe.

The Urals, squire.

Ahh right, yet another NSer who fails to understand that its a play on words! Really know, try to keep up!

Theres links on the site, hence why i gave you that link :eek:

Oh boy, links! :rolleyes: Link to a page with actual statistics that can be substantiated with other sources. Wikipedia is a good place to start or are you afraid that it would invalidate your point?

Did you not listen to me? Its a play on words! Something i use because of what i think about Multiculturalism. Get of your high horse, i don't care.

A play on words? A play cannot exist without words, so of course you can have a play on words! :p

Oh, I'm sorry, did that just interpret this in a way other than how you intended for it to be interpreted?

Oh boy, links! :rolleyes: Link to a page with actual statistics that can be substantiated with other sources. Wikipedia is a good place to start or are you afraid that it would invalidate your point?

Umm, why not try to the site? you are assuming, in your prejudiced way the links are all rubbish and lies (Don't worry I'm sure your point won't be invalidated to violently :rolleyes:). And besides Wikipedia is WAY to PC.

You still have not clarified what stats you want me to get.

When did i say it was from Russia?
When you capitalised and highlighted ‘Urals’.

Ahh right, yet another NSer who fails to understand that its a play on words! Really know, try to keep up!
A ‘play on words’ uses multiple meanings of words to a comedic effect.

You separate ‘Multi’, ‘Cult’ and ‘Urals’, implying that those who view multiculturalism as a good thing (seemingly everyone who doesn’t inhabit forums with names like ‘Pan Aryan Alliance’...) come from multiple cults in the Ural mountains.

You need to work on you punnery, dear.

I understood it well, squire, and pointed it out in one of my posts.

Really now, come on.

Ahh good, but then why try to make it look like i said it was from the Urals?

Well I'm not here to argue statistics but i can refer you to place you will probably find a good stock of them:

http://www.panaryan.com/forum/index.php

I think it should have some but i haven't really been on it.

Yea, I'm going to take statistics from a neo-nazi site.:rolleyes:. Oh, and anything that links to them is sure to be full of bullshit as well.

Hows this: You link to a site that isn't full of racist, stupid nazis and I'll read it?

Ahh good, but then why try to make it look like i said it was from the Urals?
Yes, I'm not, I was explaining the 'point' that ChumblyWumbly made.
Umm, why not try to the site? you are assuming, in your prejudiced way the links are all rubbish and lies (Don't worry I'm sure your point won't be invalidated to violently :rolleyes:). And besides Wikipedia is WAY to PC.
Panaryan... think about that one for a minute.
You still have not clarified what stats you want me to get.
Any statistical analyses of black crime rates compared to others in the same socio-economic situation, bitte.

Wiki is too PC? That's funny. Oh right, I forget, reality has a known liberal bias.


I love it when opportunities open up to quote that.

Yea, I'm going to take statistics from a neo-nazi site.:rolleyes:. Oh, and anything that links to them is sure to be full of bullshit as well.

Hows this: You link to a site that isn't full of racist, stupid nazis and I'll read it?

Typical bigoted, prejudiced ignorance! Really now! If you had been on the site you would know it is not full of Nazi's.

Grow up!

:( Its sad really to see such mis-information.

Umm, why not try to the site? you are assuming, in your prejudiced way the links are all rubbish and lies (Don't worry I'm sure your point won't be invalidated to violently :rolleyes:). And besides Wikipedia is WAY to PC.

You still have not clarified what stats you want me to get.

A quick examination of the site and its intents reveals more than enough about the nature of the site to know that it would be biased and not neutral.

Wiki is too PC? That's funny. Oh right, I forget, reality has a known liberal bias.

The stats? To prove that blacks commit the most crimes etc.

Umm, why not try to the site? you are assuming, in your prejudiced way the links are all rubbish and lies (Don't worry I'm sure your point won't be invalidated to violently :rolleyes:). And besides Wikipedia is WAY to PC.

You still have not clarified what stats you want me to get.

...When has anything racist, bigoted people posted not been all rubbish and lies?

And he want stats that correlate between imprisoned blacks and their socio-economic status.

i.e. how many of them were from poor backgrounds.

A quick examination of the site and its intents reveals more than enough about the nature of the site to know that it would be biased and not neutral.

Wiki is too PC? That's funny. Oh right, I forget, reality has a known liberal bias.

The stats? To prove that blacks commit the most crimes etc.

The site is neutral. Whats the point of being lying to themselves? Get of your arse and look!

Wikipedia has a politically correct spin on everything. Why should i except there version of the truth which generally is just half truths and glossing over certain areas.

... dunno if it counts as Racism... but I heard one of the Trask sisters speak at a lecture.

she was calling all Hawaiians to chase out all the visitors to our islands.

the only thing running though my head at the time was...

"Hawaii's economy is basied on Tourism... so you want us to shoot ourselves in the foot?"

Typical bigoted, prejudiced ignorance! Really now! If you had been on the site you would know it is not full of Nazi’s.
Nope, no Nazis here (http://www.panaryan.com/forum/photoplog/index.php?n=1355). Or here (http://www.panaryan.com/forum/photoplog/index.php?n=38).


To be fair, it does look more like a White Supremacist site than a neo-Nazi one, but we’re splitting hairs here.

...When has anything racist, bigoted people posted not been all rubbish and lies?

And he want stats that correlate between imprisoned blacks and their socio-economic status.

i.e. how many of them were from poor backgrounds.

good point but you see, PAA is not really racist or bigoted. Get of your arse and look, your just making yourself look ignorant and rather pathetic.

good point but you see, PAA is not really racist or bigoted. Get of your arse and look, your just making yourself look ignorant and rather pathetic.


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Q: Is Pan Aryan Alliance affiliated with PANF?
A: No. Although some of the members/moderators here are former PANF members, we do not share the commonly known views of PANF and its chairman diabloblanco.

Q: Do you believe Middle East and North Africa are mostly white?
A: Absolutely not. We recognize the white minorities and tribes in the Levant and periphery of Europe such as as well as the small white tribes in Asia such as the Mari, Mordvin, Kalasha etc. which are recognized and referenced in well respected mainstream white nationalist sources. We also realize their numbers are not huge and a considerable percentage of the non-European whites have been influenced by nonwhite (semitic, islamic etc) cultures. We believe in supporting those people for restoring their Aryan heritage, freeing their lands of islamic and other anti-white influences and preserving their genetic stock.


As we know, the major White Nationalist forums are pushing the non-European white nationalists to the back of the bus along with the nonwhites and antis, forcing them to leave or hide their identity. The alternative forum accepts questionable looking and sometimes straight out nonwhite people from nonwhite/muslim countries and and accepts anyone from those countries as white by default and as a result, it has a reputation for attracting the nonwhites/muslims who are otherwise rejected from elsewhere, (even though there were very few muslims there) not to mention practicing 'positive discrimination' towards the Middle Eastern/North African people and their nations. One of the goals of this board is to solve this problem.

Q: Do you support mass immigration of the non-European whites to Europe and a white melting pot utopia?
A: No! We believe in preserving individual white/Aryan cultures around the world. However there is no reason to oppose the small scale immigration of the non-European whites who are indistinguishable from the native Europeans in terms of looks and way of life.


Q: Is Pan Aryan Alliance forum an Islam friendly forum?
A: Absolutely not! We accept only secular/nonpracticing/nonreligious white people of muslim backgrounds. We realize that worshipping a Bedouin Arab prophet and accepting an inferior Arabic way of life is a serious conflict of interests and therefore we cannot accept practicing muslims who do not embrace the western (white European) way of life and culture as our brothers and sisters.

Practicing/religious white muslims can either

1-Become members as friends/allies of the white race as long as they refrain from posting islamic propaganda and keep their posts productive such as posting content regarding the Zionism threat and the strategies against it, or

2-Post as antis in the Opposing Views/Free Speech section.

We realize that this is not 1934 and we need to move on beyond the legacy of the 3rd Reich.

Q: What about the 100% racially white Jews?
A: The Jewish upbringing, way of life and culture have deeply influenced those people just like the case of the muslims, and these effects cannot be erased overnight. It is not a realistic approach to conduct genetic screenings on these individuals, therefore we do not accept the phenotypically white Jews. The only exception would be the whites who have converted to Judaism and changed their mind later, but it is wise to observe extreme vigilance and caution when dealing with these individuals.
Yes, yes it is racist and bigoted.

Why have i been tasked with finding links for such things?

I couldn't care less about the point somebody made earlier. My point is about liberals and multi-cult-urals. If i wanted an in depth argument i will go to my friends. Who are far more open minded and intelligent than what i have seen today in this thread.

Typical bigoted, prejudiced ignorance! Really now! If you had been on the site you would know it is not full of Nazi's.

Grow up!

:( Its sad really to see such mis-information.

...Oh, I'm sorry, Aryan-brotherhood types? White supremacist? Seriously, whatever you all call yourselves doesn't change the fact that you are all the same.

And one of you talking about someone being bigoted, prejudiced, & ignorant is laughable.:p

Why have i been tasked with finding links for such things?

I couldn't care less about the point somebody made earlier. My point is about liberals and multi-cult-urals. If i wanted an in depth argument i will go to my friends. Who are far more open minded and intelligent than what i have seen today in this thread.

To make a point you need facts. I fail to see any facts you have provided about liberals or mul-ti-cu-ltu-rals.

Do your friends let you make unsubstantiated claims all day? No wonder you say they are so open minded.

...Oh, I'm sorry, Aryan-brotherhood types? White supremacist? Seriously, whatever you all call yourselves doesn't change the fact that you are all the same.

And one of you talking about someone being bigoted, prejudiced, & ignorant is laughable.:p

Siylva, I told you its not a supremacist site! There may be some supremacists on it but the site itself isn't/ As for Aryan-brotherhood do you mean people having pride in there race?

Yes it could be considered laughable because it would be comical if it wasn't so tragic and true.

Wait are you getting them form the FAQ?
Yes...

Let's check the neutrality of the PanAryanAlliance website with a quick analysis of the site using the FAQ.

http://www.panaryan.com/forum/faq.php?faq=0#faq_1

Got a better test... I tried clicking on your link and got this message.

Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time.

Reason:
The Websense category "Racism and Hate" is filtered.

:p

Before i disprove your point where are you getting these answers from?
The clue’s (http://www.panaryan.com/forum/faq.php?faq=0#faq_1) in the post.

Wait are you getting them form the FAQ?
Yup.

Let's check the neutrality of the PanAryanAlliance website with a quick analysis of the site using the FAQ.

http://www.panaryan.com/forum/faq.php?faq=0#faq_1

Do you support mass immigration of the non-European whites to Europe and a white melting pot utopia?
No! We believe in preserving individual white/Aryan cultures around the world. However there is no reason to oppose the small scale immigration of the non-European whites who are indistinguishable from the native Europeans in terms of looks and way of life.


How terribly anti-neutral. Let's see what else we can discover if we look at the FAQ.

Here's another good one from that same FAQ.

Is Pan Aryan Alliance forum an Islam friendly forum?

Absolutely not! We accept only secular/nonpracticing/nonreligious white people of muslim backgrounds. We realize that worshipping a Bedouin Arab prophet and accepting an inferior Arabic way of life is a serious conflict of interests and therefore we cannot accept practicing muslims who do not embrace the western (white European) way of life and culture as our brothers and sisters. Practicing/religious white muslims can either 1-Become members as friends/allies of the white race as long as they refrain from posting islamic propaganda and keep their posts productive such as posting content regarding the Zionism threat and the strategies against it, or 2-Post as antis in the Opposing Views/Free Speech section.

I underlined to highlight the text I found very striking. The rest of it is noteworthy as well, but those parts really highlight the bias of this website. How can this be credited as a neutral source when there is this kind of filth? I think this site should be considered to be on par with Stormfront and worthy only of immense ridicule.

What about the 100% racially white Jews?

The Jewish upbringing, way of life and culture have deeply influenced those people just like the case of the muslims, and these effects cannot be erased overnight. It is not a realistic approach to conduct genetic screenings on these individuals, therefore we do not accept the phenotypically/genetically white Jews. The only exception would be the whites who have converted to Judaism and changed their mind later, but it is wise to observe extreme vigilance and caution when dealing with these individuals.

Is it just me or do they make no mention of Christianity throughout the whole FAQ? And if this isn't a supremacist site, then why is the FAQ like this?

So much for this being a credible website. There is an incredible bias and as such, it is unacceptable before the NSG lynch mob and its kangaroo court of injustice.

Let's check the neutrality of the PanAryanAlliance website with a quick analysis of the site using the FAQ.

http://www.panaryan.com/forum/faq.php?faq=0#faq_1

Do you support mass immigration of the non-European whites to Europe and a white melting pot utopia?
No! We believe in preserving individual white/Aryan cultures around the world. However there is no reason to oppose the small scale immigration of the non-European whites who are indistinguishable from the native Europeans in terms of looks and way of life.


How terribly anti-neutral. Let's see what else we can discover if we look at the FAQ.

Here's another good one from that same FAQ.

Is Pan Aryan Alliance forum an Islam friendly forum?

Absolutely not! We accept only secular/nonpracticing/nonreligious white people of muslim backgrounds. We realize that worshipping a Bedouin Arab prophet and accepting an inferior Arabic way of life is a serious conflict of interests and therefore we cannot accept practicing muslims who do not embrace the western (white European) way of life and culture as our brothers and sisters. Practicing/religious white muslims can either 1-Become members as friends/allies of the white race as long as they refrain from posting islamic propaganda and keep their posts productive such as posting content regarding the Zionism threat and the strategies against it, or 2-Post as antis in the Opposing Views/Free Speech section.

I underlined to highlight the text I found very striking. The rest of it is noteworthy as well, but those parts really highlight the bias of this website. How can this be credited as a neutral source when there is this kind of filth? I think this site should be considered to be on par with Stormfront and worthy only of immense ridicule.

What about the 100% racially white Jews?

The Jewish upbringing, way of life and culture have deeply influenced those people just like the case of the muslims, and these effects cannot be erased overnight. It is not a realistic approach to conduct genetic screenings on these individuals, therefore we do not accept the phenotypically/genetically white Jews. The only exception would be the whites who have converted to Judaism and changed their mind later, but it is wise to observe extreme vigilance and caution when dealing with these individuals.

Is it just me or do they make no mention of Christianity throughout the whole FAQ?

So much for this being a credible website. There is an incredible bias and as such, it is unacceptable before the NSG lynch mob and its kangaroo court of injustice.

Before i disprove your point where are you getting these answers from?

Wait are you getting them form the FAQ?

Before i disprove your point where are you getting these answers from?

Wait are you getting them form the FAQ?

Yes the FAQ, to which I provided a link in the post. Which you glossed over.

Ok so back to your point then:

Do you support mass immigration of the non-European whites to Europe and a white melting pot utopia?
No! We believe in preserving individual white/Aryan cultures around the world. However there is no reason to oppose the small scale immigration of the non-European whites who are indistinguishable from the native Europeans in terms of looks and way of life.

How terribly anti-neutral. Let's see what else we can discover if we look at the FAQ.


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So your saying its wrong to try and preserve European cultures? And you have yet to show the links themselves are not impartial

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Is Pan Aryan Alliance forum an Islam friendly forum?

Absolutely not! We accept only secular/nonpracticing/nonreligious white people of muslim backgrounds. We realize that worshipping a Bedouin Arab prophet and accepting an inferior Arabic way of life is a serious conflict of interests and therefore we cannot accept practicing muslims who do not embrace the western (white European) way of life and culture as our brothers and sisters. Practicing/religious white muslims can either 1-Become members as friends/allies of the white race as long as they refrain from posting islamic propaganda and keep their posts productive such as posting content regarding the Zionism threat and the strategies against it, or 2-Post as antis in the Opposing Views/Free Speech section.

I underlined to highlight the text I found very striking. The rest of it is noteworthy as well, but those parts really highlight the bias of this website. How can this be credited as a neutral source when there is this kind of filth? I think this site should be considered to be on par with Stormfront and worthy only of immense ridicule.

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The website itself is not a source i am on about the links posted ON the site.

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What about the 100% racially white Jews?

The Jewish upbringing, way of life and culture have deeply influenced those people just like the case of the muslims, and these effects cannot be erased overnight. It is not a realistic approach to conduct genetic screenings on these individuals, therefore we do not accept the phenotypically/genetically white Jews. The only exception would be the whites who have converted to Judaism and changed their mind later, but it is wise to observe extreme vigilance and caution when dealing with these individuals.

Is it just me or do they make no mention of Christianity throughout the whole FAQ?

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Maybe because the forum owners don't have a problem with Christianity?

did you read the entire FAQ? Or did you just gloss over to bits you wanted to throw at me?

And well i think you'll find many posters there recognize much of the problems of today to be repercussions of what white people have done. (Research what i mean by that)
I read the whole fucking thing, and it's nothing but pro-white, pro-inbreeding shite.

good point but you see, PAA is not really racist or bigoted. Get of your arse and look, your just making yourself look ignorant and rather pathetic.

Well, lets see:

You have threads containing such "non-racist" topics as:
****** loving scum defends the AIDS spreading ****** in Poland!
http://www.panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1577
^ That was in a section called 'Exposing Race Traitors'

Exposing the main goal of Zionist(a major trademark of racist is the evils of 'Zionism')
http://www.panaryan.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=107
^ Thats was in your 'Political Discussion' section

Coon jokes
http://www.panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7167
^ That was in your 'Jokes & Humor' section

Need I go on, you racist ignorant fool?

Well you can have race traitors you know.
... *sighs*

I'm off for a cigarette, back in 5.

Maybe because the forum owners don't have a problem with Christianity?

Or white people who fit into a certain frame of mind. They've made it clear they have issue with everything else, thus anything that would be posted at this website would be lacking in credibility given that this is the message that they're wilfully broadcasting to the world. This means we can't count on this site to be anything but impartial or neutral.

Well you can have race traitors you know.
Nice way of proving your not a white supremacist.

Fools! Clearly, a forum with a section called "exposing race traitors" is not at all racist or biased in any way!

Or white people. They've made it clear they have issue with everything else, thus anything that would be posted at this website would be lacking in credibility given that this is the message that they're wilfully broadcasting to the world. This means we can't count on this site to be anything but impartial or neutral.

did you read the entire FAQ? Or did you just gloss over to bits you wanted to throw at me?

And well i think you'll find many posters there recognize much of the problems of today to be repercussions of what white people have done. (Research what i mean by that)

Fools! Clearly, a forum with a section called "exposing race traitors" is not at all racist or biased in any way!

Well you can have race traitors you know.

Or white people who fit into a certain frame of mind. They've made it clear they have issue with everything else, thus anything that would be posted at this website would be lacking in credibility given that this is the message that they're wilfully broadcasting to the world. This means we can't count on this site to be anything but impartial or neutral.

Before you make anymore assumptions how about checking the whole of the FAQ and the posts. I'm sure you'll find alot of stuff debasing Christianity.

did you read the entire FAQ? Or did you just gloss over to bits you wanted to throw at me?

And well i think you'll find many posters there recognize much of the problems of today to be repercussions of what white people have done. (Research what i mean by that)

I read it, and like I said, I posted what stood out. The parts that I did quote, I quoted in full. It's highlighting. Further, if I was to only through bits at you, I could have simply not linked to the site where I was getting it from. But I linked to it for the intent that I'm highlighting certain points but anyone who is curious can go check the rest.

Well you can have race traitors you know.

And a race traitor is...? Honestly, I want to know. I was raised by mixed parents, so the concept of race to me is meaningless.

Before you make anymore assumptions how about checking the whole of the FAQ and the posts. I'm sure you'll find alot of stuff debasing Christianity.

But I saw nothing of that in the FAQ. Show me where it is and I'll double check.

I read it, and like I said, I posted what stood out. The parts that I did quote, I quoted in full. It's highlighting. Further, if I was to only through bits at you, I could have simply not linked to the site where I was getting it from. But I linked to it for the intent that I'm highlighting certain points but anyone who is curious can go check the rest.

did you read ALL of it? Other wise your point has no base to stand on.

Well you can have race traitors you know.

Race traitors only exist if you believe in racial supremacy. In this case, they consider people traitors against the white "race," therefore, they are white supremacists. QED, bitch.

Well you can have race traitors you know.

My wife is mixed race. If we have kids I'm surely taking her mothers dirty black race and diluting it further. I'm surely a race HERO. Or is that not how it works?

did you read ALL of it? Other wise your point has no base to stand on.

I read it and saw no mention of Christianity. Just to be sure, I used the "CTRL+F" function built into my browser to verify, and lo and behold, I still found no mention of it in the FAQ. Maybe there is something in the forum, but it doesn't appear to be addressed specifically as these other topics have.

did you read ALL of it? Other wise your point has no base to stand on.

Yeah, I'm sure if (s)he read on they'd have explained that it was all one big joke and that actually they love them watermelon-eating darkies.

Race traitors only exist if you believe in racial supremacy. In this case, they consider people traitors against the white "race," therefore, they are white supremacists. QED, bitch.

Um NO. If you have pride in your race you can. I have pride in my race and i believe there are race traitors. I don't believe in any supremacy bullshit.

I am aware my race has done brilliant things (more so than other races), but who is to say that is simply because of race?

So to put it simply. Your point just got bitch slapped.

This is one of the most hilarious, and deluded, derailments of a thread I’ve ever witnessed.

Next up: how the Anarchist Archives (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/) are in no way affiliated with any anarchist thinking.

Your "race" has done no such things, any more than your hair color has done brilliant things. People have done things.

This from the man who says that posts do not reflect upon a forum

Well, lets see:

You have threads containing such "non-racist" t
opics as:
****** loving scum defends the AIDS spreading ****** in Poland!
http://www.panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1577
^ That was in a section called 'Exposing Race Traitors'

Exposing the main goal of Zionist(a major trademark of racist is the evils of 'Zionism')
http://www.panaryan.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=107
^ Thats was in your 'Political Discussion' section

Coon jokes
http://www.panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7167
^ That was in your 'Jokes & Humor' section

Need I go on, you racist ignorant fool?

Those are posts from individual people not the forum.

When the hell did i say i was racist? When the hell did i say i had racist idea's? when did i do anything ignorant!

NO IT WAS YOU WHO WAS IGNORANT. SPOUTING SHIT ABOUT A FORUM YOU CLEARLY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT. MAKING IGNORANT REMARKS ABOUT EPOPLE AND MYSELF.

Well you can have race traitors you know.And a race traitor is...? Honestly, I want to know. I was raised by mixed parents, so the concept of race to me is meaningless.

and I too, wanna know how a Non-Racists defines a Race Traitor.

Both My parents are Japanese (Okinawan to be specific) and I have some pride in my Heratige... but I can't see what would define someone as a Race Traitor to me.

so Hachihyaku... what examples would you give for a 'Race Traitor'?

Um NO. If you have pride in your race you can. I have pride in my race and i believe there are race traitors. I don't believe in any supremacy bullshit.

I am aware my race has done brilliant things (more so than other races), but who is to say that is simply because of race?

So to put it simply. Your point just got bitch slapped.

Your "race" has done no such things, any more than your hair color has done brilliant things. People have done things.

Those are posts from individual people not the forum.

When the hell did i say i was racist? When the hell did i say i had racist idea's? when did i do anything ignorant!

NO IT WAS YOU WHO WAS IGNORANT. SPOUTING SHIT ABOUT A FORUM YOU CLEARLY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT. MAKING IGNORANT REMARKS ABOUT EPOPLE AND MYSELF.
Shh...

Calm your passions. I understand that your first langauge might not be English, but shouting makes it harder to properly argue.

Your "race" has done no such things, any more than your hair color has done brilliant things. People have done things.

Yes and those people where apart of that race. I am using the term race to generalize people from it.v:rolleyes:

Yes and those people where apart of that race. I am using the term race to generalize people from it.v:rolleyes:

Way to miss the point.

Way to miss the point.

what like you did?

Um NO. If you have pride in your race you can. I have pride in my race and i believe there are race traitors. I don't believe in any supremacy bullshit.

I am aware my race has done brilliant things (more so than other races), but who is to say that is simply because of race?

So to put it simply. Your point just got bitch slapped.

Um NO. People who automatically associate themselves with the accomplishments of people they've never met because they are of the same race FAIL.

And what exactly constitutes someone being a race traitor? They fuck someone of a different race? Why would that matter? Unless, its because there is something wrong with that other person. Something wrong because of their race? And somehow, in the minds of those who believe in 'race traitors', there are aspects of that race that are inferior. Thus making the white person superior?

Isn't that the definition of a white supremacist?

what like you did?

That's the best you can come up with? "I know you are but what am I?" :rolleyes:

That's the best you can come up with? "I know you are but what am I?" :rolleyes:

No the thing is you missed the point. TWICE.

So shut up.

Um NO. People who automatically associate themselves with the accomplishments of people they've never met because they are of the same race FAIL.

And what exactly constitutes someone being a race traitor? They fuck someone of a different race? Why would that matter? Unless, its because there is something wrong with that other person. Something wrong because of their race? And somehow, in the minds of those who believe in 'race traitors', there are aspects of that race that are inferior. Thus making the white person superior?

Isn't that the definition of a white supremacist?

I don't associate myself with them as such. I just said i had pride in there accomplishment (Your first point , was a failure)

As for your point on race traitor, it depends on how one coins the term. So theres no point in replying to that.

My first introduction would probably be when I was being made fun of by another little black kid when I was about... 5, 6 maybe? Somewhere around there. Anyway, he was making fun of me, I was always rather tall until the start of high school, now I'm fairly average, a tiny bit above maybe. Anyway, he just kept calling me stupid things like scarecrow and bean pole, you know the drill. I then responded by telling him he was a "booger brain." He then started to cry and said that it wasn't fair I made fun of him because he was black. I was surprised and told him that I only said that was because he was making fun of me, but he kept saying it was because I was racist.

I make racist remarks sometimes but I'm not truly racist. I believe in judging the individual instead of the whole. It just seemed rather silly at the time, and still seems silly.

Demonstrate how I missed the point.

I will, to show that I am not a hypocrite, do the same.

I was well aware that you were, when using the word "race," referring to the people of that race. My point was-- and pay attention, because you clearly missed it the first time around-- that it makes no more sense to be proud of skin color than it does to be proud of hair color (I could also have used eye color, or whether your hair is curly or straight, or any other similar detail.)

Now, show how I have missed the point-- TWICE-- or you shut up.
Let this topic die, PC. I think we all know who's right on the matter, and who needs more research and better arguments. Let's not get stressed out about a debate already won and lost, ok?

Ok, well this argument is getting pretty heated and to many people keep on posting and therefore i miss posts due to some time problem (posts appearing before another despite being posted after)

No the thing is you missed the point. TWICE.

So shut up.

Demonstrate how I missed the point.

I will, to show that I am not a hypocrite, do the same.

I was well aware that you were, when using the word "race," referring to the people of that race. My point was-- and pay attention, because you clearly missed it the first time around-- that it makes no more sense to be proud of skin color than it does to be proud of hair color (I could also have used eye color, or whether your hair is curly or straight, or any other similar detail.)

Now, show how I have missed the point-- TWICE-- or you shut up.

Ok, well this argument is getting pretty heated and to many people keep on posting and therefore i miss posts due to some time problem (posts appearing before another despite being posted after)
may I suggest taking a pause from the keyboard to calm down. Don't wanna post something that would result in mod action because you posted in haste.

Those are posts from individual people not the forum.

When the hell did i say i was racist? When the hell did i say i had racist idea's? when did i do anything ignorant!

NO IT WAS YOU WHO WAS IGNORANT. SPOUTING SHIT ABOUT A FORUM YOU CLEARLY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT. MAKING IGNORANT REMARKS ABOUT EPOPLE AND MYSELF.

Well, lets see...

You believe that white people as a hive mind have done more than any other race. You somehow associate what other people of your race have done as your own accomplishments.

You associate yourself with people who are racist, who post racist threads in a supposedly 'un-racist' forum that just happens to have a section related to 'race traitors' and doesn't seem to curtail the racist post of its members.

You have continually given us evidence to believe that you are racist, and have done nothing to convince us that you aren't.

Now, I'm not the smartest guy, but I am by no means ignorant. And I can clearly say sir, that you are a grade A racist, whether you realize it or not.

Oh, and if you aren't racist, you're falling towards that path...

Demonstrate how I missed the point.

I will, to show that I am not a hypocrite, do the same.

I was well aware that you were, when using the word "race," referring to the people of that race. My point was-- and pay attention, because you clearly missed it the first time around-- that it makes no more sense to be proud of skin color than it does to be proud of hair color (I could also have used eye color, or whether your hair is curly or straight, or any other similar detail.)

Now, show how I have missed the point-- TWICE-- or you shut up.

Well i was using race as a generalization of people in it. You tried to be smart and failed to see the point.
And then when i tried to point that out you missed the point again and thought i was using it as a comeback.

As for being proud of skin colour? Yeah thats pretty stupid, I'm proud of my race not my skin colour. Although i do like the colour tone of my own personal skin colour.

I don't associate myself with them as such. I just said i had pride in there accomplishment (Your first point , was a failure)

But you associate their skin color and/or race with their accomplishment.

How can you not see the fundamental racism of that?

As for your point on race traitor, it depends on how one coins the term. So theres no point in replying to that.

What rational basis is there for "race treachery" other than racial supremacy? What have you done wrong to your "race" other than "contaminating it" with "inferior" genes, if no race is superior to another?

Well i was using race as a generalization of people in it. You tried to be smart and failed to see the point.
And then when i tried to point that out you missed the point again and thought i was using it as a comeback.

As for being proud of skin colour? Yeah thats pretty stupid, I'm proud of my race not my skin colour. Although i do like the colour tone of my own personal skin colour.

What differentiates your race from others, other than minor physical characteristics such as skin color?

I don't associate myself with them as such. I just said i had pride in there accomplishment (Your first point , was a failure)

As for your point on race traitor, it depends on how one coins the term. So theres no point in replying to that.

No, see, my first point was true.

If you had pride in ones accomplishments, you would admire THAT PARTICULAR PERSON. Whatever their accomplishments may be, they stem from that persons own abilities, ideas, & resolve. Not his or her race.

That is why you fail.

And since you don't want to respond to the other half of my post, I ask you: What makes one a race traitor? In your humble opinion?

Well, lets see...

You believe that white people as a hive mind have done more than any other race. You somehow associate what other people of your race have done as your own accomplishments.

You associate yourself with people who are racist, who post racist threads in a supposedly 'un-racist' forum that just happens to have a section related to 'race traitors' and doesn't seem to curtail the racist post of its members.

You have continually given us evidence to believe that you are racist, and have done nothing to convince us that you aren't.

Now, I'm not the smartest guy, but I am by no means ignorant. And I can clearly say sir, that you are a grade A racist, whether you realize it or not.

Oh, and if you aren't racist, you're falling towards that path...

well are you saying the white race hasn't? i do not think of them as my accomplishments, i am merely proud that people have done them. (I pointed that out before)
I haven't actually posted in PAA yet, i'm currently making my first post now.

Call me what you want but if i am a racist then so be it.

If its racist to have pride in ones own race then i am racist.
If its racists to want to preserve white culture then i am racist
If its racist to want to secure the existance of my race through non violent means then i am racist.

W/E i really don't care. you use racist as an insult but if i am racist then i am proud to that Grade-A racist.

If its racist to have pride in ones own race then i am racist.
If its racists to want to preserve white culture then i am racist
If its racist to want to secure the existance of my race through non violent means then i am racist.
What is "White Culture"?

European? French? Swedish? Germanic?

what?

No, see, my first point was true.

If you had pride in ones accomplishments, you would admire THAT PARTICULAR PERSON. Whatever their accomplishments may be, they stem from that persons own abilities, ideas, & resolve. Not his or her race.

That is why you fail.

And since you don't want to respond to the other half of my post, I ask you: What makes one a race traitor? In your humble opinion?

I do admire that particular person though. Its just that it seems all the leading accomplishments seem to be coming from the white race. I have pride that the white race is capable of doing such things. what racist about that?

Should i believe that the white race is incapable and is some dirty thing that must scorned? That, is the opposite of what i think and that is racism.

My Grandmother, she's very much of the old-school idea that blacks and whites should not inter-marry... Though she did have black friends, and treated them well... But it was still a racist viewpoint.

If its racist to have pride in ones own race then i am racist.

How can one be proud of their race with a mix heritage? Race is meaningless with the fading lines.

If its racists to want to preserve white culture then i am racist

What exactly is "white culture"? There is no "white" culture. There are cultures that are independent of each other, though the people happen to have skin that is "white" in appearance though they may have different ethnic backgrounds. So how do you preserve a culture when there are many different ones despite us all being "white"?

If its racist to want to secure the existance of my race through non violent means then i am racist.

That is valid for anyone. They don't want to be eliminated just because of their 'race'; slighted or otherwise discriminated against because of their race. No one picks their race. It's not racist to be in favour of self-preservation. It becomes racist when it's done at another group's expense.

When I was called a Cracker for defending a person's right to believe that rap was bad music.

Aka, I should have called the guy a hypocrit for assuming someone was racist for disliking a certain kind of music, but I did not want to have to hurt them.;)

How can one be proud of their race with a mix heritage? Race is meaningless with the fading lines.



What exactly is "white culture"? There is no "white" culture. There are cultures that are independent of each other, though the people happen to have skin that is "white" in appearance though they may have different ethnic backgrounds. So how do you preserve a culture when there are many different ones despite us all being "white"?



That is valid for anyone. They don't want to be eliminated just because of their race; slighted or otherwise discriminated against because of their race. No one picks their race. It's not racist to be in favour of self-preservation.

Race is meaningless? Well race decides your very genetic structure, is that meaningless?
I am using white culture as a generality for European culture (not really counting multiculturalism obviously)

I don't want eliminate people because of there race, i just want mine to survive. so you have contradicted your own point. I have only truly said i have pride in my race and want it to survive and ALL of you went on about how that makes me racist.

well are you saying the white race hasn't? i do not think of them as my accomplishments, i am merely proud that people have done them. (I pointed that out before)
I haven't actually posted in PAA yet, i'm currently making my first post now.

No, the white race has done shit. Individuals have done things, who happened to have "white" skin. So have people of other "races."

Call me what you want but if i am a racist then so be it.

If its racist to have pride in ones own race then i am racist.

Yes, it is. To think that your race is superior to others is entirely racist. Nice to see you admit it. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage; for example, I'm proud of (for example) my Danish heritage on my mother's side, but I don't think it is in any way better than any other heritage, nor would I ever think differently about anybody based on their heritage, nor do I ever try to keep my bloodline "pure."

If its racists to want to preserve white culture then i am racist

What the hell do you mean by "white culture?" There is no single homogeneous white culture, dumbass. The French have a different culture from the English, who have a different culture from the Scots, who have a different culture from the Danes.

If its racist to want to secure the existance of my race through non violent means then i am racist.

I'll give you a hint, buddy. Your "race" exists only as a social construct-- a label assigned to certain physical characteristics by people who had no access to the knowledge that we have today. It's really no more meaningful than eye color.

W/E i really don't care. you use racist as an insult but if i am racist then i am proud to that Grade-A racist.

At least you admit your idiocy; now, if only you would recognize it as such.

What the hell do you mean by “white culture?” There is no single homogeneous white culture, dumbass. The French have a different culture from the English, who have a different culture from the Scots, who have a different culture from the Danes.
And, far more importantly, all these cultures are in no way ‘White’. They include cultural input from many different ethnic groups.

Please can we just let this die.

There is no universal european culture. Arguing over this is pointless.
The semantics of racism are nothing but. Arguing over this is pointless.
There are plenty more worthy threads. Let's talk about something actually of interest, no?

I do admire that particular person though. Its just that it seems all the leading accomplishments seem to be coming from the white race. I have pride that the white race is capable of doing such things. what racist about that?

Should i believe that the white race is incapable and is some dirty thing that must scorned? That, is the opposite of what i think and that is racism.

Yeah, all the leading accomplishments come from the white "race." The only things that anybody else has ever come up with are trivial things like written language.

No, the white race has done shit. Individuals have done things, who happened to have "white" skin. So have people of other "races."

Yes, it is. To think that your race is superior to others is entirely racist. Nice to see you admit it. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage; for example, I'm proud of (for example) my Danish heritage on my mother's side, but I don't think it is in any way better than any other heritage, nor would I ever think differently about anybody based on their heritage, nor do I ever try to keep my bloodline "pure."

What the hell do you mean by "white culture?" There is no single homogeneous white culture, dumbass. The French have a different culture from the English, who have a different culture from the Scots, who have a different culture from the Danes.

I'll give you a hint, buddy. Your "race" exists only as a social construct-- a label assigned to certain physical characteristics by people who had no access to the knowledge that we have today. It's really no more meaningful than eye color.


At least you admit your idiocy; now, if only you would recognize it as such.

Again your being an idiot. I am using the white race as a generalization. Are you so incapable that you still fail to realize that despite being told several times!
I do not think my race is superior, as i said before.
Again, your idiocity i was using white culture as a generalization of European culture (Europe being the essential homeland of the white person)
I pointed that out as well.

So next time read my posts and think before you post.

well are you saying the white race hasn't? i do not think of them as my accomplishments, i am merely proud that people have done them. (I pointed that out before)
I haven't actually posted in PAA yet, i'm currently making my first post now.

Call me what you want but if i am a racist then so be it.

If its racist to have pride in ones own race then i am racist.
If its racists to want to preserve white culture then i am racist
If its racist to want to secure the existance of my race through non violent means then i am racist.

W/E i really don't care. you use racist as an insult but if i am racist then i am proud to that Grade-A racist.

1) Not every member of the white race has done 'amazing feats'. There were people who were white/christian/etc. who did great things, but that was because of their own talents & opportunity. Not because of their race. This applies to all people, regardless of race/ethnicity/religion/etc.

2) Pride has nothing to do with others. This is a fundamental truth. If you're proud of your race, it doesn't have anything to do with other races. Pride comes from within, people who say that their race is better aren't really proud of their race. They just think its better than somebody else's.

3) The white race and white culture aren't going anywhere! I am so tired of all these supremacist acting like white people are going to disappear within the next decade. Nor is having a small minority of non-whites in your country going to wipe out your 'culture'. Get your head out of your ass and carry that message to the rest of your 'friends'.

Race is meaningless? Well race decides your very genetic structure, is that meaningless?
I am using white culture as a generality for European culture (not really counting multiculturalism obviously)

I don't want eliminate people because of there race, i just want mine to survive. so you have contradicted your own point. I have only truly said i have pride in my race and want it to survive and ALL of you went on about how that makes me racist.

Hate to say it, but race, when stripped of all its social meaning, is about as important as eye color and fingernail growth rates. And coincidently, how do you feel about the MeCha? They advocate the same thing as you, except for hispanics.

Yeah, all the leading accomplishments come from the white "race." The only things that anybody else has ever come up with are trivial things like written language.

Ok in recent centuries what have other races contributed to the world through there own ability?
sa

Asia has imitated white civilization in recent centuries.
Africa is still a, for lack of better term shit hole.
Australasia is is generally a white continent.

South & central America are to a degree copying white civilization.

Race is meaningless? Well race decides your very genetic structure, is that meaningless?
I am using white culture as a generality for European culture (not really counting multiculturalism obviously)

I don't want eliminate people because of there race, i just want mine to survive. so you have contradicted your own point. I have only truly said i have pride in my race and want it to survive and ALL of you went on about how that makes me racist.

Surviving means surviving without interference. If a group dies out due to natural causes then it happens. If it dies because of a policy that slights it then there is a problem. Mixing doesn't kill it; it changes it and makes a new group. Preserving a race, culture? There's nothing wrong with it. It becomes wrong when it's an obsession. To preserve all is the right way, and if that means that the lines are blurred, that's part of the natural process, because neither 'race' was destroyed, it was simply changed.

I don't care if I preserve my 'race'. I would rather preserve all races as one. Race was historically tied to culture, so it is part of it but it isn't the cornerstone.

How do you know if "white" culture hasn't been influenced by external sources and that you want to preserve a newer version of it?

Pride is the silly part because no one picks their race, but you can pick your culture by being a chameleon and changing your colours.

1) Not every member of the white race has done 'amazing feats'. There were people who were white/christian/etc. who did great things, but that was because of their own talents & opportunity. Not because of their race. This applies to all people, regardless of race/ethnicity/religion/etc.

2) Pride has nothing to do with others. This is a fundamental truth. If you're proud of your race, it doesn't have anything to do with other races. Pride comes from within, people who say that their race is better aren't really proud of their race. They just think its better than somebody else's.

3) The white race and white culture aren't going anywhere! I am so tired of all these supremacist acting like white people are going to disappear within the next decade. Nor is having a small minority of non-whites in your country going to wipe out your 'culture'. Get your head out of your ass and carry that message to the rest of your 'friends'.

Yes i am aware that not all having achieved great things but as i said i am proud of those who did. and i am not proud because they are white but because they are great people who are white.
I don't say my race is better (how many times will i have to say this?)

Yes white culture and the white race is going nowhere because of things like multiculturalism!

So why don't YOU listen to my posts and think before you post. your arguments and points and are noobish and full of elementary mistakes that could be corrected if you paid attention.

1) I never said the white race was incapable or is dirty. No, you shouldn’t look at the white race as inferior. But, you also shouldn’t see it as superior.
You also shouldn’t support the idea that anything like the ‘White Race’ exists.

I do admire that particular person though. Its just that it seems all the leading accomplishments seem to be coming from the white race. I have pride that the white race is capable of doing such things. what racist about that?

Should i believe that the white race is incapable and is some dirty thing that must scorned? That, is the opposite of what i think and that is racism.

1) I never said the white race was incapable or is dirty. No, you shouldn't look at the white race as inferior. But, you also shouldn't see it as superior.

2) Are you sure all the accomplishments have come from the white race? So no other race ever did anything? And the white race has been perfect and leading the world for over 2000 years?

Surviving means surviving without interference. If a group dies out due to natural causes then it happens. If it dies because of a policy that slights it then there is a problem. Mixing doesn't kill it; it changes it and makes a new group. Preserving a race, culture? There's nothing wrong with it. It becomes wrong when it's an obsession. To preserve all is the right way, and if that means that the lines are blurred, that's part of the natural process, because neither 'race' was destroyed, it was simply changed.

I don't care if I preserve my 'race'. I would rather preserve all races as one. Race was historically tied to culture, so it is part of it but it isn't the cornerstone.

How do you know if "white" culture hasn't been influenced by external sources and that you want to preserve a newer version of it?

Pride is the silly part because no one picks their race, but you can pick your culture by being a chameleon and changing your colours.

By mixing and creating a new group you are lessening the numbers of the original said group therefore speeding up its death. a person of mixed race is, for example some one of black and white heritage is neither white nor black but a hybrid race. A different race altogether.

I want to preserve my race, i don't want the other races to die out but i don't want my own to either.
White culture has always been influenced, the white picked up new things and incorporated them. The white culture innovated and expanded news idea's into there own which is partly why they are so successful.
But the modern multiculturalism is so regenerative and biased ...

I may not of been able to pick my race but i am proud that i was born into the white race. I am proud of what members of my race have achieved.

Ok in recent centuries what have other races contributed to the world through there own ability?
sa

Asia has imitated white civilization in recent centuries.
Africa is still a, for lack of better term shit hole.
Australasia is is generally a white continent.

South & central America are to a degree copying white civilization.

The "whites" are just copying the Mesopotamians. You can't just rule out contribution by claiming they are copying someone else. And the culture of South America is far from "copying" white culture, whatever that is.

Also, They have contributed a great deal of literature, science and art in the last century.

Erm, right. I wasn’t aware the ‘Whites’ were a homogenous race that achieved things. I’m aware that peoples achieved things, but not races based on skin colour.
It’s funny what a lack of melanin can achieve. :p

1) I never said the white race was incapable or is dirty. No, you shouldn't look at the white race as inferior. But, you also shouldn't see it as superior.

2) Are you sure all the accomplishments have come from the white race? So no other race ever did anything? And the white race has been perfect and leading the world for over 2000 years?

1) for god sake i have said i don't think of ti as superior or inferior.

2) I am saying that the white race is responsible for so many accomplishments one cannot just sit back and go Whatever. I am proud we can do such things with our lives.
As for your last statement i guess you could say the white race has been leading the world, technologically at least for around a thousands year at least. I agree that other cultures have made huge technological advances in addition to the white race.
The white race is far from perfect my friend. If it where THEN i would be a white supremacist.

I am proud of what members of my race have achieved.

Erm, right. I wasn't aware the 'Whites' were a homogenous race that achieved things. I'm aware that peoples achieved things, but not races based on skin colour.

Because that is what black culture promotes.Excuse me? Black culture does not promote gangs and rebellion any more or less than any other culture.

I have lived the majority of my life in a majority-black neighborhood and the culture did not in any way, shape, or form promote gangs or the like.

Poverty promotes gangs. Since the majority of black neighborhoods are poor neighborhoods, these will be more susceptible to gang violence, and indeed some promotion, but even in those, it is not something that is overlooked and ignored; it is actually frowned upon, and discouraged.

In Philadelphia there are predominantly white ghettos, and they were just as shitty as the black ones, with the high crime rates, and gangs. It's all about poverty, not ones skin color.

Anyone, regardless of color, when put in a dire situation, can, and will turn to gangs and other criminal activity, because to them its the only way to survive.

Ok, ENOUGH.

I am tired of this thread.

I am not going to argue anymore but i will say this:

If you think i am racist, then whatever,

I am proud of the accomplishments done by the members of the white race

I wish to secure the white races survival through non violent means.

And i will post a poem. Which while it has some point which you would consider racist it makes some good points about the white race:

My White Son
When they call you a racist do not hang your head in shame
You have every right to be proud of your valiant heritage and your European name
You come from a long line of strong men and women that made you who you are
They braved the wilderness, mountains and the oceans, sailing from many lands a far
Their dreams gave birth to wondrous inventions and they have even traveled outside the boundaries of this world
Remember, the blood of our great ancestors still lies within every precious Aryan boy and girl
Isn’t it worth fighting for son? Or do we sit back and watch it all be taken away?
Society is sick and now caters to the black, latino, and gay
What will be left for you my white son?
Will you stand and fight, or will you run?
Will you turn and look the other way?
As the remnants of what is left turn black and rot away
Will you watch as the beautiful women of your race, who once would have made fine Aryan brides
Willingly defile herself because she believes all the Zionists lies?
The lies told about her race and the negro being her equal
The lie that her mongrel child will be a blessing to all people
Sadly it means the end of white life, her precious blood down the drain
She spit on the graves of her ancestors and took their struggles all in vain
No mixing of the races is God’s order that always stays!
Now she lies in a hospital bed with regret as she slowly dies of AIDS
Times are dire my son, the multi-cultural mold spreads all over strangling our land
The question to ask ourselves is how will we ever make it white again?
First always honor your heritage, your family and your name
Learn about their achievements and the obstacles they overcame
Never has a greater people, ever roamed this earth
We were chosen by our Creator since the moment of our birth
We were chosen to create marvels in his infinite glory and we are destined for the stars
To walk on the surface of the moon and to climb the red mountains of Mars
My son, never believe the myth that it’s shameful to be white
Because the lies of our enemies are always as dark as night
When the son finally rises the Zionist will be exposed
Because the white nation is what the Talmudic truly loathes
He pushes his poison and demonic lies to corrupt white women and white youth
With the power of his gold, he can turn any lie into truth
Printed in your history books, in newspapers, and TV
The lie is put forward for everyone to see
No one dares to question them for they are blackmailed with ruin
So the lie that is put there will keep right on brewing
For one generation after the next, they are forced to believe a lie
They will be slaves to the Zionists or they will have to die
Or locked away in lifetime prisons for simply questioning the fables of the past
This will not end until they have gotten rid of the very last
The very last of the white man, capable of seeing the truth
The one who will fight till the bitter end, for Aryan women and youth
You see my boy the answer is to fight not to run!

READ MY POSTS, I AHVE SAID IT WHAT, FOUR TIMES NOW? I ‘M USING THE WHITE RACE AS A GENERALIZATION FOR THE PEOPLE IN IT.
Oh, calm down.

PM, and others, have pointed out that your generalisation is meaningless and rather offensive. Why not try and debate, rather than resorting to shouting? And do you seriously align yourself with such filth as:

Isn’t it worth fighting for son? Or do we sit back and watch it all be taken away?
Society is sick and now caters to the black, latino, and gay...

No mixing of the races is God’s order that always stays!
Now she lies in a hospital bed with regret as she slowly dies of AIDS...

This will not end until they have gotten rid of the very last
The very last of the white man, capable of seeing the truth
The one who will fight till the bitter end, for Aryan women and youth
You see my boy the answer is to fight not to run!

EDIT: Surprise, surprise. A quick search tells us that the above is taken from a poem posted on Stormfront.

Erm, right. I wasn't aware the 'Whites' were a homogenous race that achieved things. I'm aware that peoples achieved things, but not races based on skin colour.

READ MY POSTS, I AHVE SAID IT WHAT, FOUR TIMES NOW? I 'M USING THE WHITE RACE AS A GENERALIZATION FOR THE PEOPLE IN IT.

My first exposure to racism was around the time I was four. My mother had always used the phrase "baka demo chon demo arumaishi" (roughly translates to "what are you, an idiot or a Korean?") without realising that "chon" was a derogatory term meaning "Korean". She was talking on the phone to one of her friends of still lived in Japan and used the phrase to describe someone when she was told what the phrase really meant, and after she hung up she told me that she was never going to use that phrase again and didn't want me to, either.

Even now, she's not exactly a paragon of civil rights (she has suspicions about anyone who's not Japanese), but she has the decency not to go around insulting people.

1) for god sake i have said i don't think of ti as superior or inferior.

2) I am saying that the white race is responsible for so many accomplishments one cannot just sit back and go Whatever. I am proud we can do such things with our lives.
As for your last statement i guess you could say the white race has been leading the world, technologically at least for around a thousands year at least. I agree that other cultures have made huge technological advances in addition to the white race.
The white race is far from perfect my friend. If it where THEN i would be a white supremacist.

The white race has only led the world for the past 200 years, with its rise beginning 500 years ago. Prior to that, Europe was a third world shit hole when compared to the Middle East or China. If your belief is that "white" civilization is superior, not the white race itself, then you should be unperturbed by the white race intermingling. After all, if you believe that no race is superior or inferior, then non-whites are just as capable at following "white civilization" as whites.

i guess you could say the white race has been leading the world, technologically at least for around a thousands year at least.

Wow that is not true. Besides ignoring China, the Islamic Empire was also a major player for most of that time. Europeans weren't even major players until the last 700 years, and even then they weren't leading.

Edit: Darn you Fall of Empire for stealing all of my pretty words.

Oh, calm down.

PM, and others, have pointed out that your generalisation is meaningless and rather offensive. Why not try and debate, rather than resorting to shouting?

because racists have no debate. They have no justifiable position. They have no rational claim.

They have hate and vitrol, and when they get called on the fact that their entire argument contains nothing but hate and vitrol, they have nothing but that to rely on.

I want to see real statistics and not some random shit pulled out of yours or anyone else's ass. I find it hard to believe that 97% (or whatever that random, sourceless number was that Kontor quoted) is black. I will agree that there are blacks who are criminals, just as whites are, but the numbers given are rather suspicious and lacking in credibility.

Again, around 97% of violent crimes I saw were committed by blacks, I never said that was the real total number of crimes by race overall.

I guess my first real brush with racism was when I was in India. I had gone to Amritsar to see the Golden Temple. I didn't have a hat, so I was trying to buy a souvenir bandanna to cover my head. I was trying to give kid my money and take the bandanna and this old man kept chasing him away from me.

Maybe that was the second time. The first was probably in Japan. A couple of us were on the way to a swimming hole in the hills near Iwakuni. There was this old man (again, but not the same one) in a wheel chair that kept blocking the road. Finally, we gave up and just drove over him. Not really. We gave him a beer and he let us go by.

Other than that, I don't recall being the subject or protagonist in any racist attacks.

1) for god sake i have said i don't think of ti as superior or inferior.

2) I am saying that the white race is responsible for so many accomplishments one cannot just sit back and go Whatever. I am proud we can do such things with our lives.
As for your last statement i guess you could say the white race has been leading the world, technologically at least for around a thousands year at least.

A thousand years at least? Have you never even heard of the dark ages?

Yes i am aware that not all having achieved great things but as i said i am proud of those who did. and i am not proud because they are white but because they are great people who are white.
I don't say my race is better (how many times will i have to say this?)

Yes white culture and the white race is going nowhere because of things like multiculturalism!

So why don't YOU listen to my posts and think before you post. your arguments and points and are noobish and full of elementary mistakes that could be corrected if you paid attention.

Culture is an abstract nothing more.

Multiculturalism? There is no real pure culture as all cultures tend to share things. That is of course they are not isolated.

Genetics is not a pure indicator simply because we all sprang from one region.

Nothing wrong with interracial. The fact that we can interbreed says so.

But you do have a point. We whiteys should stop breeding with the others as we are giving them Cysitic Fibrosis.

A thousand years at least? Have you never even heard of the dark ages?

Of course not! It has the word dark in it!

Of course not! It has the word dark in it!

+1 point

well are you saying the white race hasn't? i do not think of them as my accomplishments, i am merely proud that people have done them. (I pointed that out before)
I haven't actually posted in PAA yet, i'm currently making my first post now.

Call me what you want but if i am a racist then so be it.

If its racist to have pride in ones own race then i am racist.
If its racists to want to preserve white culture then i am racist
If its racist to want to secure the existance of my race through non violent means then i am racist.

W/E i really don't care. you use racist as an insult but if i am racist then i am proud to that Grade-A racist.

What is "white culture"? My parents are both white, and each comes from a different culture.... My wife and I are both white, and we both come from different cultural backgrounds.... There isn't any more of a distinctive "white" culture, than there really is of a distinctive "black" culture... Someone with a Cajun background has different cultural elements than someone from a Polish background.... Someone from Ghana has a different culture than someone from South Africa...

I guess my first real brush with racism was when I was in India. I had gone to Amritsar to see the Golden Temple. I didn't have a hat, so I was trying to buy a souvenir bandanna to cover my head. I was trying to give kid my money and take the bandanna and this old man kept chasing him away from me.


Nahh. That's probably more about turf. They know the Westerners tend to get annoyed by the street peddlers and so they don't like them around.

I saw that all the time when I was there.

What is "white culture"? My parents are both white, and each comes from a different culture.... My wife and I are both white, and we both come from different cultural backgrounds.... There isn't any more of a distinctive "white" culture, than there really is of a distinctive "black" culture... Someone with a Cajun background has different cultural elements than someone from a Polish background.... Someone from Ghana has a different culture than someone from South Africa...

and therein lies the problem. There is no such thing as "white culture" and I, a while male, probably have more in common, culturally, to my black neighbors than I do with a white farmer in the Ukraine.

Nahh. That's probably more about turf. They know the Westerners tend to get annoyed by the street peddlers and so they don't like them around.

I saw that all the time when I was there.
Maybe. But I didn't see many Westerners up that far north. I'm pretty sure I was the only white guy in Punjab...:) At least the only one that I knew about.

Of course in Delhi, I had to pay the snake charmers NOT to show me the snakes.

Yes i am aware that not all having achieved great things but as i said i am proud of those who did. and i am not proud because they are white but because they are great people who are white.
I don't say my race is better (how many times will i have to say this?)

Yes white culture and the white race is going nowhere because of things like multiculturalism!

So why don't YOU listen to my posts and think before you post. your arguments and points and are noobish and full of elementary mistakes that could be corrected if you paid attention.

Culture does not vanish because of mixing... In some cases it breeds a new culture, take the Cadiens [Cajuns] of Louisiana... The culture is an amalgamation of cultural attributes desending from French, African and Carribean influences... Along with some spanish/hispanic influence of the southern americas... It had been slowly dying of late... Though is being reborn... The almost death was caused by people of your caliber attempting to stamp out the culture through imposition of Western European culture upon the populace of the region. Or rather this supposed "white culture" (read Western European Culture)...

There is no "white culture"... there are several cultureS which are made up people of caucasian decent...

Multiculturalism does not destroy culture... It allows for each culture to exist, evolve and spread... As such, my kids are just as likely to be eating black-eye peas as sauerkraut on new-years... Or have kielbasa or jumbalaya or gumbo or pirogies for dinner.... Because my wife and I both value our cultures, and want our kids to experience it as much as we did... being of mixed heritage...

The white race has only led the world for the past 200 years, with its rise beginning 500 years ago. Prior to that, Europe was a third world shit hole when compared to the Middle East or China.Actually, then you know nothing of old European powers; Venice, the various Frankish Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire, Greece, the Hellenic domains, the Roman Empire, the folk of the Bull, etc so do not just say Europe was a shit hole as Europe actually never as you desribed as in Europe there was always at one exception to this.

In the Dark Ages there were the glories of Byzantium, the honor of the Lombards, the empire of Charlemagne, and the great travels of the Vikings. So do not be so quick to state such things.

If you want to go further back up to about 2000 B.C. their were complex societies in Europe, as also there were in China, the Americas, the Middle East, and along the banks of the Nile.

In the end though humanity's civilizations are founded along the principle of trade. That humanity's desire to explore tech, the world, and the very universe is what creates civilizations of man. As suich this shared desire compels humanity forward.