NationStates Jolt Archive

it is foolish to make those implications as it makes people question their place in such roles. And it is not a very clever thing to do when you consider that he has mentioned his best friend too, and finished off by telling people to be afraid.

I agree with Hamilay that the guy is probably just trolling. But what if he isn't?I am sure he is playing you, specially on the second post.
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But what if he isn't?the chances of that are of -0.000000001% ... so I am not going to miss any sleep over it.

but if you want to lose any sleep over it, feel free to do it. *shrugs*

Liberal internationalism, what else do you think?

Free markets, free people, ..free sex:fluffle: and free beer:D ? OK good

:rolleyes: ... so you want to do away with sovereignty. And you want to replace it with what exactly?

Liberal internationalism, what else do you think?

Free markets, free people, democracy, disarmament, environmentalism and justice.

the chances of that are of -0.000000001%
Wow, statistics from someone who first quoted me and replied with some bizarre rant about voodoo dolls and a spurious collection of insults?

Do you have some basis for that statistic you produced? Or was it just a number you made up?

Now, if you have finished trolling me about someones right to their opinion, whilst simultaneously attempting to claim I have no right to an opinion, then I will go and get on with my day. I have wasted quite enough time assisting you to understand what was originally stated by me, and us adults are very busy people. Maybe you can find someone else to play with, but try to play nicely.

free sex:fluffle: and free beer:D ? OK good

Naturally. We just need to get the Muslims drinking an screwing aggressively, so as to take that whole "taking themselves too seriously" away.

And get 'em to stop looking towards virgins in heaven. Honestly, what sort of guy in his right mind is dead set on virgins? Some experiences makes it all the better!

I actually have, what I think is, reasonably important job. I am part of a team sent to other countries (middle east and far east mainly) by the United Kingdoms government*whistles 'God Save the Queen'* to normal find out how undeveloped countries are coping with medical, judicial and believe it or not sometimes military liaison(I was once sent out as a minor member of a team to Kuwait to look at how the military works there) problems. I remain trust worthy and have never once altered data, but I could if I was asked to. I also have a best friend who shares similar views as me and works in the BAE systems buildings in Edinburgh.He designs flight software and he once told me over a pint that it would be easy,if he was given the right amount of people and software, to fix things so that the software could go wrong. Be afraid lol ;)

So you are admitting that you would willingly cooperate with the enemies of Great Britain, and give them aid and comfort?

I'm no fan of Blair/Brown or Bush, or even the Iraq War, but this is disgusting and, dare I say, traitorous.

I openly support them. Yeah thats right, I'm not Muslim, I'm British and I'm Middle Class and I fully support a terrorist organization. :) Mainly because the US had it coming. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions no matter what, Al-Qaida should be allowed to do as they wish as long as they don't force US all to follow their religion. The USA did start it as well you know. Please insult me now. ;)
It makes me sick that my taxes pay the salaries of people like you.

So you are admitting that you would willingly cooperate with the enemies of Great Britain, and give them aid and comfort?

I'm no fan of Blair/Brown or Bush, or even the Iraq War, but this is disgusting and, dare I say, traitorous.
Oh, it's certainly traitorous. He probably feels safe because he thinks he is hidden by internet anonymity, and maybe he thinks it is all very fun and exciting to speak out for his "heroes" this way, but in fact, it is the rantings of an idiot who deserves a nice wake-up call from the police. If he is not serious, he needs to learn why this isn't a game, just like kids who make fake bomb threats so they can get out of school need to learn. If he is serious... well, if I were a terrorist, I would want such a moron silenced as quickly as possible. Some people run their mouths too much.

Oh, it's certainly traitorous. He probably feels safe because he thinks he is hidden by internet anonymity, and maybe he thinks it is all very fun and exciting to speak out for his "heroes" this way, but in fact, it is the rantings of an idiot who deserves a nice wake-up call from the police. If he is not serious, he needs to learn why this isn't a game, just like kids who make fake bomb threats so they can get out of school need to learn. If he is serious... well, if I were a terrorist, I would want such a moron silenced as quickly as possible. Some people run their mouths too much.

I could not agree more.

I condemn any group of people who try to achieve their objectives by killing other people.

Ditto here. QFT.

I suggest doing to them what I suggest doing to any violent/extremist group. Neuter them and throw them into the general population in prison.

For those wondering the following are on my suggested Neutering List
Terrorists
KKK
Neo-Nazis
Child Predators
Westboro Baptist Church (They need to stop inbreeding)
E.L.F. (Eco Terrorists)
People who think that Rosie O'Donell is smart
Same for the above only replace Donald Trump

I agree 100%.

People who fail to win a Darwin Award through sheer incompetence (It's happened)

I know what a Darwin Award is. It's an award for idiots who accidentally kill or neuter themselves, thereby improving the gene pool. But if you FAIL to win a Darwin Award because you're not competent enough to do so, then...

(*is confused; gets a headache*)

Kool-Aid Drinkers

What's so bad about Kool-Aid drinkers? Or are you referring to the followers of Idi Amin?

People Who Support Dog Fighting
Michael Vick
Michael Jackson
People who think that Paris Hilton/Britney Spears/Lindsey Lohan are good role models

QFT.

Stupid people in general

Now THIS one is a little bit subjective, so I'm gonna have to differ here.

It makes me sick that my taxes pay the salaries of people like you.yeah, and I am sick my taxes pay hundreds of people at Congress and White house.

aid and comfort to the enemiesInteresting,

If saying the enemies are right is giving them comfort.
Then I know how to give them discomfort:

"The Insurgents are $%^_}":>}P{{P:$#^%+_&)(&fucking insane/dead-wrong/son-of-a-biaches lol."

WOW.. that surely made them very uncomfortable :D
yeah baby, I am Patriot!!! quick someone give me a medal or something :cool:

Interesting,

If saying the enemies are right is giving them comfort.
Then I know how to give them discomfort:

"The Insurgents are $%^_}":>}P{{P:$#^%+_&)(&fucking insane/dead-wrong/son-of-a-biaches lol."

WOW.. that surely made them very uncomfortable :D
yeah baby, I am Patriot!!! quick someone give me a medal or something :cool:

The phrase 'aid and comfort' is a general one used when dealing with treason, OD, and the poster in question is doing the former and not the latter.

I'm not suggesting that verbally supporting Al Qaeda is the same as being a traitor; far from it, as the right to freedom of speech is a tenet I believe in very strongly. It is the fact that Musselberg would give actual aid to AQ that qualifies him for treason.

The phrase 'aid and comfort' is a general one used when dealing with treason, OD, and the poster in question is doing the former and not the latter.

I'm not suggesting that verbally supporting Al Qaeda is the same as being a traitor; far from it, as the right to freedom of speech is a tenet I believe in very strongly. It is the fact that Musselberg would give actual aid to AQ that qualifies him for treason.

In fairness I don't see him saying that he would aid AQ in that post, just that he could. Still, if he's not being a troll (this being the imperative phrase) it's certainly grounds for worry. If I knew for sure that people who wholeheartedly support AQ have the ability to alter government data and crash flight software, that should certainly be investigated.

The UK, France, The Ottomans, Attaturk, Versailles, Arabs, Persians, Soviets/Russians, Israel, the US and the UN. Lot's of people, over a long period of time.

Hooray! Me and my ancestors are not in that list!!

Hooray! Me and my ancestors are not in that list!!

I hope someone's mentioned East Timor on this thread.

I hope someone's mentioned East Timor on this thread.

You just did ;)

Uh, it has? Somewhere on the page 2...

The phrase 'aid and comfort' is a general one..yes, its so general it can mean anything.
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and the poster in question is doing "aid".
how is he helping the enemy?
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It is the fact that Musselberg would give actual aid to AQ that qualifies him for treason.he used the word "could", he never used the word "would".
If you say "I could keep their money".. I don't think they have a legal case against you. They can prosecute you only if you actually do it.
Maybe they would keep an eye on you, but they would not fire/penalize you until you actually do something. (innocent until proven guilty)
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I'm not suggesting that verbally supporting Al-Qaeda is the same as being a traitor, the right to freedom of speech is a tenet I believe in very strongly. Yes I agree.

note: to be honest, I would not like it if someone started AQ support Threads, or gloating threads, but in this case the OP is simply asking for everyone's personal opinion on this franchise.

and if we are asking peoples opinions, we should be willing to stomach the answers that are opposed to our views.

I know what a Darwin Award is. It's an award for idiots who accidentally kill or neuter themselves, thereby improving the gene pool. But if you FAIL to win a Darwin Award because you're not competent enough to do so, then...

(*is confused; gets a headache*)

If it helps, you can't intentionally win a Darwin Award. Although intentionally removing yourself from the genepool just to win an award would be tremendously stupid, they don't want to encourage stupidity.

Yeah, I know that if I make an Al-Qaida Support threads here. I'll be flamed, trolled, ignored, tortured, fought shamely, charged, killed, tortured after death, still tortured, et ceteria...

LOL

Yeah, I know that if I make an Al-Qaida Support threads here. I'll be flamed, trolled, ignored, tortured, fought shamely, charged, killed, tortured after death, still tortured, et ceteria...

LOLActually we would send you -on a Rendition plane (http://www.renditionmovie.com/)- to the Spam Forum. :cool: << I wear my sunglasses at nite when I say that

What?! But It's not spamming! You miserable sarcasmed by me Idiot (Another sarcasm, don't reply to it...)

They did it for teh lulz.

lulz?

Forking Southerner!!!

Al-Qaeda, a wonderful organization of wonderful people.

11x/Abn/Opt40. ETA is a year and a half. Just you wait.

Yeah, I know that if I make an Al-Qaida Support threads here. I'll be flamed, trolled, ignored, tortured, fought shamely, charged, killed, tortured after death, still tortured, et ceteria...

LOL

Actually, a couple of NSGers would want to save the threads as "proof" that all Muslims are evil hivemind agents of Al'Qaeda who should be shot or sent to Gitmo.

They are crunchy, and good with ketchup.

and if we are asking peoples opinions, we should be willing to stomach the answers that are opposed to our views.
...did you read what that person wrote? He stopped a few inches away from threatening to blow up a plane that Skinny87 or I could easily be on. You clearly find it offensive that we crazy Brits react strongly to people gloating about how easy it would be for them to murder us, and that they support people who are murdering us, but I think this is more something wrong with you than us.

...did you read what that person wrote?of course I did.
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He stopped a few inches away from threatening to ...Yesterday I stopped a few inches away from hitting someone. (before I realized it was not worthed)

do I need to say more?

...You clearly find it offensive that we crazy Brits react strongly to ...I dont find you offensive.

anyone perceiving the NSG Brits as offensive, needs to find some perspective.

I would understand If -sometimes- you find the Oceandrive offensive or arrogant (like when he talks in 3rd person).. but the Brits? I mean common :D

lulz... Such naive are them. Do you think not so?

Actually, a couple of NSGers would want to save the threads as "proof" that all Muslims are evil hivemind agents of Al'Qaeda who should be shot or sent to Gitmo.

Bin Laden: SPAWN MOAR OVERLORDS!!!

Err... Usamah is not behind the Somelia's warlord, if that's what you meant...

lulz?

Forking Southerner!!!

Actually I have lived in the Northern US for 98% of my life.

?! I thought the 'lulz' is from the 'Forking Southerners!'

Yesterday I stopped a few inches away from hitting someone.
That seems perfectly in character from what I have seen of you, qutie frankly.

Hmm, Praetonia, I must agree with you...

Hmm, the Jihadist groups seemed to still regrouping itself. We haven't seen terrors in the 'peaceful' area of the world, for 1 month? (:gasp)

If this is a success from the brainwashing of the '3rd world' (cough cough) nations' citizens? Death to the Capitalist, which used help money to intimidate our governments to indoctrinade their citizen with the praise that : ll Islamic splinter radical group who wanted to make 5th dynasty of Islamic Caliphates are bad.'

This is impractical nonsense!

This is impractical nonsense!
No, what is impractical is that again and again your points have been killed in argument. You even acknowledged as much.

Yet this has led to no change in your thinking or behaviour whatsoever. So what are you doing here? Why do you try and engage in conversation with people if you just ignore anything that comes out of it?

Em, yeah...
The truth is, I just enjoy the argument, defending what I think is right. Sometimes I won the debate, (mostly in homeland, I meant home and school) Many times I lost (mostly, well, in the internet). But, after that, life is continued as ever. That is the rule of debates I've made, sorry if it's contradict reasons why you do debate with me.

Sorry...

That is the rule of debates I've made, sorry if it's contradict reasons why you do debate with me.
That just makes no sense. Debating is not just a way of passing time - there is a substance to it. People make arguments and occasionally convince each other of things.

You acknowledged that your beliefs don't hold up to serious scrutiny in a serious discussion. So basically you are fully aware that you are in fact wrong.

Why would anyone willingly continue doing something they know to be wrong?

No! It's right, just my way of debate (and combined with my poor english vocabulary) make my points fell. Others can argue (and nearly won) with these points. I just not rock-headed enough in the internet:p.

Debating is not just a way of passing time
Well, for me it's one of it. Yeah, I can be called weirdo. But occasionaly I convince people, yes. I just don't want to be a politicians.

No! It's right, just my way of debate (and combined with my poor english vocabulary) make my points fell. Others can argue (and nearly won) with these points.
No, they can't. Your English vocabulary doesn't affect the concepts being talked about - Indonesian has the same concepts and you have access to dictionaries if necessary.

Fact of the matter is that the liberal argument on human coexistence can only be defeated by getting into some form of collectivism. And there is no way of arguing for that because it denies observable, physical truths - namely that human beings are in fact individual organisms. Any argument for collectivism is irrational, and irrationality cannot be consistently argued for.

I cannot cut you any slack for not being fluent in the language. You are lamenting the fact that no innocent people have been murdered for a while.

innocent? Innocent?
H#ll, if there is a single human innocent. There are none... Or if they are, it have been long before our time, before all this war of ideologies are even imagined...

innocent? Innocent?
Yes, innocent.

Take me for example. If I had been blown up today on the bus on the way home from the Cricket, how would I have deserved that?

innocent? Innocent?
H#ll, if there is a single human innocent. There are none... Or if they are, it have been long before our time, before all this war of ideologies are even imagined...

Innocent people are born every day. If you are going by innocence as being 'devoid of sin', then most children are innocent. Do bombs miraculously avoid killing children? Do terrorist attacks magically somehow avoid causing children harm?

However, I would class innocence in this instance as people who had no interest in the war in the first place. When AQ were behind 9/11, that was 2 whole buildings filled with people who were not guilty of anything other than living their lives. Then on top of that were the fire rescue teams who died. Those people dedicated their lives to saving people, and that is not a career choice which makes them deserve to die because of some foreign groups grudge. If you asked all those who died in that one act of terrorism WHY they were being killed, then I am sure they would not know the answer. That makes them fairly innocent in my eyes.

innocent? Innocent?
H#ll, if there is a single human innocent. There are none... Or if they are, it have been long before our time, before all this war of ideologies are even imagined...

A) You are ignoring the fact, which Fennijer pointed out, that new people are born into the world every day, people who have nothing to do with your so-called "war of ideologies" (which I deny exists outside the imaginations of people like you). The world is full of people who never played any part in any injustice you claim to have seen as well as people who do not follow any of the ideologies you say are at war with each other.

B) If, according to you, no one is innocent, then everyone must be guilty. Including you, since you are part of "everyone." And if, according to you, the guilty deserve to die, then you deserve death as well. So tell me, once everyone in the world, including you, is dead, which side will have won your supposed war?

Oh, by the way, jumping into forums just so you can post inflammatory propaganda statements over and over without actually engaging in conversation or debate with others is a form of trolling, I believe. People will not waste their time on a troll for very long. You might want to keep that in mind.

innocent? Innocent?...Yes Innocent.

Innocent as in Afghan or Iraqi or US children/newborns.
or would you say those are not innocent?

A) You are ignoring the fact, which Fennijer pointed out, that new people are born into the world every day, people who have nothing to do with ...BTW.

I was having a debate the other Day against an ideological AQ supporter in Asia (he was very exited when he figured I was from the US), his point was very simple, he said we will stop killing your innocent when you stop killing our innocent and stop your occupation (US bases)

Hmm, true true, I forget the babies and childrens. Bah! I never encounter them in my rampage (in videogames, of course)

You all have a point there, hmm...

Rosie O'Donell is smart...:p

Hey? Who said Rossie O'Donnel isn't smart?

Well, let's see...they murdered 3,000 of my fellow citizens and destroyed two really cool buildings on 9/11. I'm going to have to say I'm not a fan.

No, the government did that...:p

Bah, everyone knows JEWS DID WTC.

Well, let's see...they murdered 3,000 of my fellow citizens and destroyed two really cool buildings on 9/11. I'm going to have to say I'm not a fan.
No, the government did that...:p

Bah, everyone knows JEWS DID WTC.

yep

Of course, dead to the neo conservative!

Well, let's see...they murdered 3,000 of my fellow citizens and destroyed two really cool buildings on 9/11. I'm going to have to say I'm not a fan.

Bah, everyone knows JEWS DID WTC.

Al Q are JEWS? Wow, suddenly it all makes sense!

What? No!

A/Q strike the WTC, well, because of the Jews!

Emm?

This thread is still going on?

Well, my most recent thoughts of AQ:

They should be hunted down and executed to a man. No mercy.

Then I thought:

But that wouldn't be very...PC, might be breaking some stupid law, and might not be the nicest thing to do:

but then I thought:

So what, kill 'em. They killed 3000 innocent people in my country. They should all die.

So my conclusion:

Fuck it. Kill 'em all. Hunt them down and show no mercy.

And all you AQ supporters and sympathizers should get a good bucket of ice cold water thrown in your face to wake you up.

Your military killed many millions humans in my cousins' countries

Your military killed many millions humans in my cousins' countries

When?

Before or after the Gulf War I? Before or after 9/11?

And how do you get millions?




If you keep attack our cities again, or multiple times, as AQ is probably trying to do, and you seem to support, how long do you think we'll take off the gloves and utterly destroy every threat out there? Do you really think that's a good idea?

And I think afterwards, unlike after WWII, we'd let our enemies fucking rot.

i think their existence is unfortunate, but completely understandable.

as for callus exploitation little short of outright genocide, of the middle east by super power nations and the corporatocracy, yes, that was going on LOOONNG BEFORE any "9-11", more like at least a century.

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Personally i think Al-quaeda are the sorryest bunch of piss poor excuses for human beings ever, and should be hunted down and slowly, slowly cut to pieces, they should feel unimaginable pain . Pathetic lowlife scum like that do not deserve to live. i would have NO hesitations in killing one myself.

Personally i think Al-quaeda are the sorryest bunch of piss poor excuses for human beings ever, and should be hunted down and slowly, slowly cut to pieces, they should feel unimaginable pain . Pathetic lowlife scum like that do not deserve to live. i would have NO hesitations in killing one myself.

how do you know you arn't one yourself? you could find yourself abducted and extrodinarily rendered and tortured to death tomarrow, absolutely any one could.

how do you even know there IS an al-quaeda, other then on a bunch of documents cooked up by a bunch of false flag neo-cons?

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Hmm, I know I have heard it somewhere, not only from the Neo-Cons' medias. But where is it?:rolleyes:

Your military killed many millions humans

Looks like we missed a few. :(

in my cousins' countries

For the sake of mankind, I hope you don't have that many relatives.

In any event, don't worry. Your beloved AQ will ultimately be exterminated. We are well on the way to doing it now. Their corpses will be burned like so much garbage, or will become food for pigs and dogs. :D

And for your reading pleasure:

U.S. Charges 6 Guantanamo Prisoners With Sept. 11 Ties, Seeks Death Penalty

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330277,00.html

Exceptionally ugly defendants, I might add.

U.S. Military Says Seized Docs Show Al Qaeda in Iraq Is Weakened

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330235,00.html

Have a nice day.

how do you know you arn't one yourself?

Er, maybe because he doesn't go blowing things up? Or because he doesn't dream of mass murder while his nose is buried in some malodorous prayer rug whiffing butt fumes and his ass is sticking up in the air?

you could find yourself abducted and extrodinarily rendered and tortured to death tomarrow, absolutely any one could.

No, "absolutely any one" could not. Otherwise, how do you explain your presence on this board? An utterly anencephalic statement.

Er, maybe because he doesn't go blowing things up? Or because he doesn't dream of mass murder while his nose is buried in some malodorous prayer rug whiffing butt fumes and his ass is sticking up in the air?
Thank you once again for your ever-reasoned critique of Islam.

oh? If you believe the creationist, then you must believe we are all cousins. Distant cousin, but anyway let's go back to topic.

because he doesn't dream of mass murder while his nose is buried in some malodorous prayer rug whiffing butt fumes and his ass is sticking up in the air?

That's better than dreaming mass murder while you singing some stupid songs...

I love al-quida, Osama is actually hiding under my bed.

Thank you once again for your ever-reasoned critique of Islam.

Since you obviously have problems actually reading my post, I will explain it in short sentences and simple terms so that you can understand.

I was referring to AQ terrorists and expressing my contempt for them, hopefully in highly insulting terms. I was also mocking the preposterous assertion of Cameroi.

Nowhere did I state that every Moslem dreams of mass murder while his nose is buried in some malodorous prayer rug whiffing butt fumes and his ass is sticking up in the air. That would be a subject for another thread.

As for reasoned critiques of Islam, they would likely be wasted on you and the other wannabe dhimmis on NSG, as you have proved time after time.

But thank you once again for your usual immediate leap to the defense of poor, misunderstood, beleaguered Islam, the oh-so-wrongly-maligned religion of piece(s).

oh? If you believe the creationist, then you must believe we are all cousins.

I don't believe in creationism.

I don't believe in creationism.he is asking if you believe in God.

he is asking if you believe in God.

God, yes. Creationism, no.

I condemn any group of people who try to achieve their objectives by killing other people.

So the Allies were wrong in bombing the crap out of Japan in their Imperialist War against China and, eventually, many other East Asian nations

Sometimes, when someone does not behave, you have to keep hitting them until they either learn to behave or die

They were wrong...
The Japanese, I meant...

*Bump+
Even tough I don't expect to see more people...

But, seeing as Capitalism and Liberalism has forced it's way and changed our values, we must defend againts that, it is not?

Then defend against it, but defend against it in proportion. It's a dispute of ideas, then fight ideas with ideas, not by indiscriminately blowing people up, as seems to be the Modus Operandi of Al Qaeda.

Coincidentally, that's why terrorists are not warriors. Thy ignore the principle of double effect, they do not strike with proportionate force. They do not complete the warrior cycle, and they do not return as beneficial members of society. Do they inflict violence? Certainly, but they do so as a murderer does, not as a warrior would. They are not the heirs of Saladin, they are the heirs of the crusaders who sacked Jerusalem and killed its inhabitants.

Imagine, the communism has made it way to America (Or your country), will you fight againts it?

Then I'd fight it as a struggle of ideas, one of the most basic tenets of liberal democracy is open debate and discussion. That's a political and cultural debate.

And, I saw everyday the negative things you WESTERNer has put to our youngster's minds!
They have been brain washed, I know it!

Then make your culture more attractive. If you think that your traditional ideas and culture are so threatened by the attractiveness of western culture, that the only way in which your culture can be defended is through indiscriminate violence, then it's quite plausible that there is something wrong with how you're presenting your culture.

Fix your shit before you start breaking our shit, chief.

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Ok...

I love al-quida, Osama is actually hiding under my bed.

Cool! Can I hide under your bed too? I wanna meet Osama.:D