NationStates Jolt Archive

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a Euro-troll. Don't feed him anymore. He can't answer coherent arguments with anything but bad syntax and worse history. He has yet to reply to anything I've posted and never replied to the point that Khoresh chose his immolation and those with children chose for them. He's a complete tool and deserves no more of anyone's effort.

Feed him cheese.

My god, I disappear for a few hours and this delightful thread degenerates into this?!?

What Would Cheesus Do?
http://www.poizenideas.com/cheesus/cheesus.jpg

I think in this case you are refering to the fire, that was started by David Koresh's group and the killing of innocent children, also by his by order as proven by survior's accounts and the review of the scene. Also, not to justify it, but often in those close situations it difficult, no, impossible for the men and women in uniform to be able to determine where a bullet flies, it doesn't know the difference. Besides, those officers where doing their job and ensuring their own safety. If you ask any person in a service like this is of the upmost importance, even if somewhat morally wrong, is what must be done. unfortunantely in that situation, civilian and child casualties are unaviodable especially with a fantic nut-case like Koresh and the rest of the of his most loyal followers

I am refering to the fire started by the FBI on the compound of one (self-named) David Koresh, where they had no business to be in the first place.

Calamity Dude-ss, behave or you might get whupped bare butt -- and I ain't dragging you back: it happens here, before the very eyes of all members of your cheerleading gang.
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Okey dokey, Pokey.
Feed him cheese.

My god, I disappear for a few hours and this delightful thread degenerates into this?!?

What Would Cheesus Do?
http://www.poizenideas.com/cheesus/cheesus.jpg
WINNAR!!!

To you -- I am not talking. Not until you apologise, that is.

I'm mature god damn it!

http://media.xlucas.ru/uploaded_images/1101_apology-727235.jpg
Apologise.

Cheese. (http://photo.net/photo/pcd0087/cheese-doodles-wide-60.4.jpg)

Yay! :D

My god, I disappear for a few hours and this delightful thread degenerates into this?!?


Degenerates? This is damn good entertainment, now only if I had something to ..ah! *eats cheesus*

Yay! :D

See? Some of us are trying. Besides Googling pictures of cheese beats out writing my paper on Death of a Salesman due in...oh...2 and a half hours.

To you -- I am not talking. Not until you apologise, that is.

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Very well then, I apologize. However, will you answer my question? It's somewhat crucial to the whole point you're trying to make.

This is by far the dumbest thread I've read in several days

See? Some of us are trying. Besides Googling pictures of cheese beats out writing my paper on Death of a Salesman due in...oh...2 and a half hours.

It was too bad to finish, but at least I knew how it ended.

See? Some of us are trying. Besides Googling pictures of cheese beats out writing my paper on Death of a Salesman due in...oh...2 and a half hours.

I'll agree with that assessment. :)

I'll agree with that assessment. :)

Ability to analyze Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman: about $200 per lecture.

Seeing the majesty which is the cheese bra (http://www.oneringzero.com/fiona/cheese%20bra.jpg): priceless.

What I emant is: there are hardly any centuries old buildings in the US -- Canada has many more (Quebec, Saint John -- or Saint John's -- whichever is in Newfoundland), as does South America (both pre- and post-Conquista).

So the US simply have no respect for history that Asians, Latin Americans, Canadians, and especially Europeans have.


Hardly any Centries old building in the US?

Construction on the White House began in 1792, which is 215 years ago. Even if you only consider the time that is has been occupied (1-Nov-1800) then that is still 207 years.

US Capital Building was started in 1793 (214 years ago) and completed in 1811 (196 years ago).

Church of Christ in Philidelphia began construction in 1727 (280 years) and finished in 1744 (263 year). It is considered to be one of the most beautiful 18th century buildings in the country.

Philidelphia City Hall was build between 1901 and 1907, which would make it about 100 years old.

Bassett Hall in Williamsburg, Virginia was build between 1753 and 1766. That makes in more than 200 years old.

Barton Hall in Alabama, was built in the 1840s, and has been privately owned since its constructions. That would make is approximately 158 years old, or older. It still belongs to a private citizen? I thought Americans did have much respect for history?

The Russian Bishops House in Alaska was build in 1842 (165 years) and is one of the oldest surviving examples of Russian Colonial-stil architecture in the Western Hemisphere.

I could go on and on, but why. I could find thousands, nay tens of thousands of buildings across the US that are nearly 100 years old or older.

Degenerates? This is damn good entertainment, now only if I had something to ..ah! *eats cheesus*

Cheesus dies again for our sins. Amen.

The thread was going smoothly and creamily with a slight nutty bouquet until about page 12 or so. *nod*

To you -- I am not talking. Not until you apologise, that is.

Syntax, bro, syntax.

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Very well then, I apologize. However, will you answer my question? It's somewhat crucial to the whole point you're trying to make.

As I have already said: "reserves"/"reservations" for Native Americans/First Nations were concentration camps. More perished over centuries than in a dozen odd years in Europe during Hitler's madness.

Japanese Americans were interned in camps while their sons were sent to fight on the Yank side and drop bombs on Japan of all places. A fifth of them died in those barracks.

Nagasaki, Hiroshima: instantaneous death of hundreds of thousands and cancer of millions.

Use of "depleted" uranium in Europe, Africa and the Middle East by the US army.

There is plenty for a person ready to look into facts objectivbely instead of taking it as a personal attack and jumping to offensive, dumb, pathetic attacks ad hominem or dilution of the essence of this thread with meandering lunacies about dairy/groceries.

Moreover, I am not even trying to make you change your opinion. I am expressing mine. It is you, and a bunch of your fello losers who are constantly trying to "prove" something from yourt severely limited knowledge, boring and banal "experiences" (in how many countries did you have to register with the police, open a bank account, go to a doctor, communicate in alanguage you are not comfortable with do you speak it somewhat, like -- say, in my case -- Hungarian and Chinese?)

Seriously, I do not need to be nice to you,ma nd you do not deserve it. you did apologise -- for your own good, not mine -- but I am not here to educate anyone. If you are made think and peep out of your cocoon of self-aggarandising complacency with your country (or the US) atrocities, it is your own problem. you have no right to try to silence my different opinion with idiocies which you (and your fellow losers) have used here.

Disagree, and do not take it personally. If you are able. And if you are not, talk to me in 25 years when you learn that skill. And possibly improve your English too.

Syntax, bro, syntax.

Spoken language, kid, spoken language.

I am refering to the fire started by the FBI on the compound of one (self-named) David Koresh, where they had no business to be in the first place.

Ignoring, of course, the recorded statements of the Branch Davidians, both on surveillance tapes and (from those who survived the fire) afterwards, that they started it?

"Pablo have you poured it yet" "Huh" "Have you poured it yet" "in the hallway" "things are poured, right?"

"They got two cans of Coleman fuel down there? Huh?" "Empty" "All of it?" "Nothing left."

"I want a fire around the back"

"Let's keep that fire going."

All of those were recorded on the surveillance tapes, as things said by the Branch Davidians. Seems pretty damn conclusive to me.

Spoken language, kid, spoken language.

I thought you write on forums not speak out loud?

Nothing beats a good Fondue.

There is plenty for a person ready to look into facts objectivbely instead of taking it as a personal attack and jumping to offensive, dumb, pathetic attacks ad hominem.

I completely agree with you.

Spoken language, kid, spoken language.

There is no excuse for you to type like Yoda talks.

I thought you write on forums not speak out loud?

So you thought wrong.

As I have already said: "reserves"/"reservations" for Native Americans/First Nations were concentration camps. More perished over centuries than in a dozen odd years in Europe during Hitler's madness.

Whilst the Indian Reservations have been debated as a form of genocide, it is difficult to place them into the category of 'genocide' in the same manner as the Holocaust and the Armenian Holocaust can. Whilst the Indians were forced into reservations and there were massacres, these were relatively few in number. There was certainly no systematic genocide a la Auschwitz.

Japanese Americans were interned in camps while their sons were sent to fight on the Yank side and drop bombs on Japan of all places. A fifth of them died in those barracks.

Indeed, but once again these cannot be called 'genocide' or placed in the same category as what the Third Reich conducted. These camps were not designed specifically to kill, only to contain. This is the same fallacious argument that is used to term the camps the British formed during the Boer War as genocidal - I would argue that intent matters.

Nagasaki, Hiroshima: instantaneous death of hundreds of thousands and cancer of millions.

Here you have your strongest case. But again, the term 'genocide' cannot really be used here. The intent was certainly not to try and wipe out the Japanese race, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legitimate military targets; the civilian casualties were terrible consequences, but were not the intended result.

Use of "depleted" uranium in Europe, Africa and the Middle East by the US army.

A relatively small number of cases of cancer caused by depleted uranium cannot in any use of the word be called 'genocide'.

There is plenty for a person ready to look into facts objectivbely instead of taking it as a personal attack and jumping to offensive, dumb, pathetic attacks ad hominem or dilution of the essence of this thread with meandering lunacies about dairy/groceries.

Moreover, I am not even trying to make you change your opinion. I am expressing mine. It is you, and a bunch of your fello losers who are constantly trying to "prove" something from yourt severely limited knowledge, boring and banal "experiences" (in how many countries did you have to register with the police, open a bank account, go to a doctor, communicate in alanguage you are not comfortable with do you speak it somewhat, like -- say, in my case -- Hungarian and Chinese?)

Seriously, I do not need to be nice to you,ma nd you do not deserve it. you did apologise -- for your own good, not mine -- but I am not here to educate anyone. If you are made think and peep out of your cocoon of self-aggarandising complacency with your country (or the US) atrocities, it is your own problem. you have no right to try to silence my different opinion with idiocies which you (and your fellow losers) have used here.

Disagree, and do not take it personally. If you are able. And if you are not, talk to me in 25 years when you learn that skill. And possibly improve your English too.

Well sir, then here we may disagree. I have tried to argue within the limits of reason, and have never resorted to any of the criticisms or attacks you have listed here. I believe my English is perfectly adequate, as I am a native speaker.

So you thought wrong.

How so?

Cheesus dies again for our sins. Amen.

The thread was going smoothly and creamily with a slight nutty bouquet until about page 12 or so. *nod*

It can still be resurrected *nod*

It can still be resurrected *nod*

I hope so, I'm still hungry.

Frankly I do not care what happens to any insurgents arrested in Iraq. They can do whatever they like to them. However, the idea that I can just be picked up off the street and thrown into Guantanamo when I live in Britain is somewhat scary and somewhat wrong.

I am refering to the fire started by the FBI on the compound of one (self-named) David Koresh, where they had no business to be in the first place.
All of those were recorded on the surveillance tapes, as things said by the Branch Davidians. Seems pretty damn conclusive to me.
To save a useless back-and-forth discussion, when none of us were at the scene, or have access to all the information, I think it's safe to say that there is no definitive answer to who started the fire. Personally, I've seen/heard several videos/audio tapes that 'conclusive' prove that Koresh started the fire and the FBI didn't, and vice versa.

There's a whole load of possibilities (Koresh started the fire, the FBI started it, Koresh started it but the FBI exacerbated it, the fire started as a result of gunfire, etc.), and as I said, we can't solve the answer from the comfort of our swivly chairs.

That's not to say the answer isn't important, but discussion of it is rather limited from our positions.

I hope so, I'm still hungry.

How about some cheese nips? Perhaps a canoli

There is plenty for a person ready to look into facts objectivbely instead of taking it as a personal attack and jumping to offensive, dumb, pathetic attacks ad hominem or dilution of the essence of this thread with meandering lunacies about dairy/groceries.

I'll have you know that my lunacies have hardly meandered at all. In fact, I would say that you have meandered more than I in this thread. Documenting the atrocities of one particular nation doesn't in any way redce or negate the fact that atrocities are a HUMAN quality and have been committed by groups of people against other people since the dawn of man. Our only saving grace is Cheese. Cheese is apology and reparations enough for us all. *nod*

I have never tried a fondue. Sounds lovely though.

Fondue is quite good. Especially in my old, 1970's avocado green fondu pot

Nothing beats a good Fondue.

I have never tried a fondue. Sounds lovely though.

I have never tried a fondue. Sounds lovely though.

Me neither. For some reason though I imagine that i'd have to spend a day preparing myself and my kitchen for such a food

Whilst the Indian Reservations have been debated as a form of genocide, it is difficult to place them into the category of 'genocide' in the same manner as the Holocaust and the Armenian Holocaust can. Whilst the Indians were forced into reservations and there were massacres, these were relatively few in number. There was certainly no systematic genocide a la Auschwitz.

Indeed, but once again these cannot be called 'genocide' or placed in the same category as what the Third Reich conducted. These camps were not designed specifically to kill, only to contain. This is the same fallacious argument that is used to term the camps the British formed during the Boer War as genocidal - I would argue that intent matters.

Here you have your strongest case. But again, the term 'genocide' cannot really be used here. The intent was certainly not to try and wipe out the Japanese race, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legitimate military targets; the civilian casualties were terrible consequences, but were not the intended result.

A relatively small number of cases of cancer caused by depleted uranium cannot in any use of the word be called 'genocide'.

Well sir, then here we may disagree. I have tried to argue within the limits of reason, and have never resorted to any of the criticisms or attacks you have listed here. I believe my English is perfectly adequate, as I am a native speaker.



Indians live in India.

Native Americans were most certainly subject to genocide.

Their fate as well as spreading cancer through atomic bombs and "depleted" uranium most certainly qualifies as "attempting to destroy members of a group" -- by no means necessarily the whole group.

That, by the way, is the definition of the international Convention on Genocide, so your voluntary personal interpretations are wrong and totally irrlelevant.

The only point is that in a strict sense the Convention applies only after it was adopted. So even Holocaust of the Jews in Europe and Armenian genocide (NOT "holocaust", because Armenians were not burned) and Hiroshima/Nagasaki do not really fall under the Conventiuon, which was adopted after they occurred. But the use of "depleted " uranium used against (i.e. in the territories populated by) civilians -- does so.

As for your English, you go ahead and feel as you like about it. I find it adequate only occasionally, rather haphazardly (possibly when you make a strong effort to systemathise your thoughts). Never mind, you started that first and I replied; I don't even care how you speak/write.

Me neither. For some reason though I imagine that i'd have to spend a day preparing myself and my kitchen for such a food

it actually only takes maybe 15 minutes. They sell the cheese ready to go...cut up some apples, veggies (broccoli, carrots), a loaf of french bread that sat out overnight...maybe throw in a caesar salad (clearly with lots of parmesean cheese on top) and you have an amazingly simple yet delicious dinner.

Indians live in India.

Native Americans were most certainly subject to genocide.

Their fate as well as spreading cancer through atomic bombs and "depleted" uranium most certainly qualifies as "attempting to destroy members of a group" -- by no means necessarily the whole group.

That, by the way, is the definition of the international Convention on Genocide, so your voluntary personal interpretations are wrong and totally irrlelevant.

The only point is that in a strict sense the Convention applies only after it was adopted. So even Holocaust of the Jews in Europe and Armenian genocide (NOT "holocaust", because Armenians were not burned) and Hiroshima/Nagasaki do not really fall under the Conventiuon, which was adopted after they occurred. But the use of "depleted " uranium used against (i.e. in the territories populated by) civilians -- does so.

As for your English, you go ahead and feel as you like about it. I find it adequate only occasionally, rather haphazardly (possibly when you make a strong effort to systemathise your thoughts). Never mind, you started that first and I replied; I don't even care how you speak/write.

Might I suggest, politely, that a dash less arrogance and flaming might yield substantially better results - such as not being banned and/or deleted?

Might I suggest, politely, that a dash less arrogance and flaming might yield substantially better results -

Flaming can put a nice golden brown crunch to a good cheese.

it actually only takes maybe 15 minutes. They sell the cheese ready to go...cut up some apples, veggies (broccoli, carrots), a loaf of french bread that sat out overnight...maybe throw in a caesar salad (clearly with lots of parmesean cheese on top) and you have an amazingly simple yet delicious dinner.

Yay now I have something to make for my girlfriend when she comes for dinner on Wednesday.

Real cheese ;) (http://www.beloblog.com/KHOU_Animal_Attraction/animalattraction/EasyCheese.jpeg)

Ach milbenkäse! No gouda can come of this thread...

Yay now I have something to make for my girlfriend when she comes for dinner on Wednesday.

the only thing you need is a fondue pot...you can usually find them for pretty cheap

the only thing you need is a fondue pot...you can usually find them for pretty cheap

And the long dipping forks with the little dab of a different color on its end. They may or may not come with the pot.

I propose this thread be added to the archives for its sheer hilarity.



American Cheese on saltine crackers is good. As well as melted parmesan cheese on spagetti. Mmmm....good.

And the long dipping forks with the little dab of a different color on its end. They may or may not come with the pot.

they usually do...tho, when you lose them or they break or what have you, bamboo skewers or a regular fork will fill in well enough

I have fondue hopes that something may yet Camembert of this.
Wahaaay!

Cheese punnery FTW!

And timewarps!

Ach milbenkäse! No gouda can come of this thread...

I have fondue hopes that something may yet Camembert of this.

I have fondue hopes that something may yet Camembert of this.

that hurt me to read...:(


Now, there is a great debate to be had...
Which is better, regular cheese, or melted cheese?

Frankly I do not care what happens to any insurgents arrested in Iraq. They can do whatever they like to them. However, the idea that I can just be picked up off the street and thrown into Guantanamo when I live in Britain is somewhat scary and somewhat wrong.
But what are the chances of that happening? You're so much more likely to die tomorrow on the roads than get abducted and sent to Guantanamo. No point in worrying about something that's probably about as unlikely as you taking a trip to the moon.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13190942']But what are the chances of that happening? You're so much more likely to die tomorrow on the roads than get abducted and sent to Guantanamo. No point in worrying about something that's probably about as unlikely as you taking a trip to the moon.
To be pedantic, Questers (and all UK citizens that matter) are more likely to be taken to Guantanamo than take a trip to the Moon, as the UK doesn't have a space program, and refuses to help citizens get to space. However, I admit it's highly unlikely.

However, not worrying about draconian powers of foreign states because, "they won't effect me", does seem a tad negligent.

I have fondue hopes that something may yet Camembert of this.

You'd give it provolone mozzarella chance?

You'd give it provolone mozzarella chance?

oy vey.

oy vey.

¿Queso? Was it a brie too far?

¿Queso? Was it a brie too far?
Edam you!

Everyone hold hands and sing along!! All...we....are.....sayyyyiinnggg.....is give cheese a chance.

I can't decide what to be more apalled at. The fact that someone tried to make a comparison between Gitmo and Dachau or that I missed, due to a weekend of moving to a new place, probably one of the most epic threadjacks in NSG history.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13190942']But what are the chances of that happening? You're so much more likely to die tomorrow on the roads than get abducted and sent to Guantanamo. No point in worrying about something that's probably about as unlikely as you taking a trip to the moon.

Uh, I didn't say I was worried about it, I said that its scary its possible.

I can't decide what to be more apalled at. The fact that someone tried to make a comparison between Gitmo and Dachau or that I missed, due to a weekend of moving to a new place, probably one of the most epic threadjacks in NSG history.

No worries...feel free to discuss cheese at your leisure.

Do Americans have a weaker than normal sense of history? Yes, but I don't see how that's relevant to anything.

Here's the town I lived in from 1986-1999: http://www.lebanontownhall.org/historic-sites.htm

The Lebanon historical society is a very powerful group, and they nearly WORSHIP anything with historic significance.


ETA: Now get this thread back on topic: Cheese! :D

Fondue is quite good. Especially in my old, 1970's avocado green fondu pot
One of my high school friends that had turned into a yuppie without my noticing took me to a restaurant that was nothing but fondue. I gotta say, pretense aside, tasty. Though the little bread things they give you to skewer were dry.

One of my high school friends that had turned into a yuppie without my noticing took me to a restaurant that was nothing but fondue. I gotta say, pretense aside, tasty. Though the little bread things they give you to skewer were dry.

I've still never been to a restaurant to eat it, and only have had cheese and chocolate versions...I do want to try the meat one sometime, but that won't be happening at home (seeing as mom and dad are vegitarians), and I don't know how to do those...

I did try it with seasoned croutons once...worked surprisingly well...

I've still never been to a restaurant to eat it, and only have had cheese and chocolate versions...I do want to try the meat one sometime, but that won't be happening at home (seeing as mom and dad are vegitarians), and I don't know how to do those...

I did try it with seasoned croutons once...worked surprisingly well...

If you're close to a college town you probably can find some restaurant somewhere. Maybe. I don't know.

You know what cheese I like sometimes in my less proud moments? Cheese that comes from a can. I think I'm just more than amused that cheese is doing something that cheese shouldn't, since it doesn't taste as much like cheese and more like creamy salt...

If you're close to a college town you probably can find some restaurant somewhere. Maybe. I don't know.

You know what cheese I like sometimes in my less proud moments? Cheese that comes from a can. I think I'm just more than amused that cheese is doing something that cheese shouldn't, since it doesn't taste as much like cheese and more like creamy salt...

The 'sharp cheddar' version of spray cheese almost tastes like cheese. I used to subsist on it on triscuits between meals in the Navy. *nod*

If you're close to a college town you probably can find some restaurant somewhere. Maybe. I don't know.I actually know of one...it's just a bit of a hike and I can't seem to interest my friends (it's expensive and we are lowly poor college hipster scum. Well, I'm not so much the hipster scum. They are. I'm a "bro" according to them. But I digress and this parenthetical explination is now longer than the original statement. I'll stop now.)

You know what cheese I like sometimes in my less proud moments? Cheese that comes from a can. I think I'm just more than amused that cheese is doing something that cheese shouldn't, since it doesn't taste as much like cheese and more like creamy salt...Cheese in a can is delicious.

The 'sharp cheddar' version of spray cheese almost tastes like cheese. I used to subsist on it on triscuits between meals in the Navy. *nod*
I still do that. Actually, that was how my parents used to get me through dinner at Grandma's

Ritz are also amazing.

And what about the miracle of Salsa con queso?

Hardly any Centries old building in the US?

Construction on the White House began in 1792, which is 215 years ago. Even if you only consider the time that is has been occupied (1-Nov-1800) then that is still 207 years.

US Capital Building was started in 1793 (214 years ago) and completed in 1811 (196 years ago).

Church of Christ in Philidelphia began construction in 1727 (280 years) and finished in 1744 (263 year). It is considered to be one of the most beautiful 18th century buildings in the country.

Philidelphia City Hall was build between 1901 and 1907, which would make it about 100 years old.

Bassett Hall in Williamsburg, Virginia was build between 1753 and 1766. That makes in more than 200 years old.

Barton Hall in Alabama, was built in the 1840s, and has been privately owned since its constructions. That would make is approximately 158 years old, or older. It still belongs to a private citizen? I thought Americans did have much respect for history?

The Russian Bishops House in Alaska was build in 1842 (165 years) and is one of the oldest surviving examples of Russian Colonial-stil architecture in the Western Hemisphere.

I could go on and on, but why. I could find thousands, nay tens of thousands of buildings across the US that are nearly 100 years old or older.

Speaking of the Capitol Building: http://www.jimvictor.com/AssetsFood/US_Capitol.jpg

That's 400 pounds of Cabot Cheddar cheese right there.

The 'sharp cheddar' version of spray cheese almost tastes like cheese. I used to subsist on it on triscuits between meals in the Navy. *nod*

Some hobbies while eating spray cheese:

Holding the nozzle against the cracker (often Chicken in a Biscuit, the only 'meat' flavored cracker!) and having a little cheese flower form.

Drawing symbols on the cracker.

Forcing symbols together for cracker snacking unity (peace and anarchy, crudely drawn elephants and donkeys (That ended up looking the same and not much like a elephant or a donkey) etc.)

Pretending cheese is grout and trying to lay a cracker tile floor, then getting angry when it doesn't work and eating the floor.

etc.

I actually know of one...it's just a bit of a hike and I can't seem to interest my friends (it's expensive and we are lowly poor college hipster scum. Well, I'm not so much the hipster scum. They are. I'm a "bro" according to them. But I digress and this parenthetical explination is now longer than the original statement. I'll stop now.)

Parenthetical abuse rules.

Parenthesis have it coming....




...smug little bastards...

Some hobbies while eating spray cheese:

Holding the nozzle against the cracker (often Chicken in a Biscuit, the only 'meat' flavored cracker!) and having a little cheese flower form.

Drawing symbols on the cracker.

Forcing symbols together for cracker snacking unity (peace and anarchy, crudely drawn elephants and donkeys (That ended up looking the same and not much like a elephant or a donkey) etc.)

Pretending cheese is grout and trying to lay a cracker tile floor, then getting angry when it doesn't work and eating the floor.

etc.
writing enemies names on seperate crackers and then eating them one at a time.

Make a cracker and cheese voodoo doll

see how many crackers you can stack and glue together and still fit in your mouth

try to cover the entire serface using only one layer

Real cheese ;) (http://www.beloblog.com/KHOU_Animal_Attraction/animalattraction/EasyCheese.jpeg)

If that is real cheese, then I'm Mickey Mouse.

Some hobbies while eating spray cheese:

Holding the nozzle against the cracker (often Chicken in a Biscuit, the only 'meat' flavored cracker!) and having a little cheese flower form.

Drawing symbols on the cracker.

Forcing symbols together for cracker snacking unity (peace and anarchy, crudely drawn elephants and donkeys (That ended up looking the same and not much like a elephant or a donkey) etc.)

Pretending cheese is grout and trying to lay a cracker tile floor, then getting angry when it doesn't work and eating the floor.

etc.

In addition to the above, I have been known to engage in covert cheese attacks on unsuspecting dozing individuals. :)

In addition to the above, I have been known to engage in covert cheese attacks on unsuspecting dozing individuals. :)
any clue how difficult it is to clean easy cheese out of your nose? Or how hard it is to explain to your father why he found easy cheese in your sisters ear canal when he looked?

writing enemies names on seperate crackers and then eating them one at a time.

Make a cracker and cheese voodoo doll

see how many crackers you can stack and glue together and still fit in your mouth

try to cover the entire serface using only one layer
Tallest, narrowest, cheese stack! Totally forgot!
In addition to the above, I have been known to engage in covert cheese attacks on unsuspecting dozing individuals. :)
Considering, no surprises here. I imagine friends of yours find cheez whiz on the end of their q-tip as often as anything else...

Yes. :(

I wouldn't have squirted it in her ear if she hadn't put it up my nose :(

any clue how difficult it is to clean easy cheese out of your nose? Or how hard it is to explain to your father why he found easy cheese in your sisters ear canal when he looked?

Yes. :(

I've still never been to a restaurant to eat it, and only have had cheese and chocolate versions...I do want to try the meat one sometime, but that won't be happening at home (seeing as mom and dad are vegitarians), and I don't know how to do those...

I did try it with seasoned croutons once...worked surprisingly well...

Just out of curiosity, and since you mentioned that you've had both the cheese fondue and chocolate fondue, have you ever tried to mix them?

/me wonders what chocolate cheese fondue would taste like

Just out of curiosity, and since you mentioned that you've had both the cheese fondue and chocolate fondue, have you ever tried to mix them?

/me wonders what chocolate cheese fondue would taste like

...that is either the worst or the best idea ever...


*contemplates*


Thanksgiving could be creative this year!

Frankly I do not care what happens to any insurgents arrested in Iraq. They can do whatever they like to them. However, the idea that I can just be picked up off the street and thrown into Guantanamo when I live in Britain is somewhat scary and somewhat wrong.

Oh, don't worry, there is a much higher probability that while being Latin American you just happen to "look" (to some power-mad bigots) "Middle Eastern" (or whoever is the current enemy of the UK, haven't read the newspapers this morning) and assassinated in public like Menendes.

So you'd suffer very briefly -- unlike the abductees incarcerated illegally at the concentration camp Guantanamo.

Tallest, narrowest, cheese stack! Totally forgot!


kinda like Jenga, only delicious.

kinda like Jenga, only delicious.

Thats what was missing from Jenga, deliciousness!

Just out of curiosity, and since you mentioned that you've had both the cheese fondue and chocolate fondue, have you ever tried to mix them?

/me wonders what chocolate cheese fondue would taste like

Chocolate Cheese Exists!

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Chocolate Cheese Exists!

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I am confused, frightened, repelled, intrigued, and curious, all in one.

Chocolate Cheese Exists!

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Those crazy Japanese....


Or what looks to be Japanese to my untrained eye...not to mention, seems like it would fit in with the square watermelon

edit: what ^he said too.

Oh, don't worry, there is a much higher probability that while being Latin American you just happen to "look" (to some power-mad bigots) "Middle Eastern" (or whoever is the current enemy of the UK, haven't read the newspapers this morning) and assassinated in public like Menendes.

So you'd suffer very briefly -- unlike the abductees incarcerated illegally at the concentration camp Guantanamo.

Why can't you stay on topic. You'll make Cheesasaurus Rex angry. You wouldn't like Cheesasaurus Rex when he's angry. :D

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250 lbs. of carved Kraft cheese

Chocolate Cheese Exists!

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But it's not fondue. :(

NATIVE AMERICAN
GENOCIDE


TRAIL OF DEATH:after years of researching the Wicocomico Nation, it has led me to various other sources of study concerning the brutality that Native Americans suffered at the hands of the English and later the United States.These stories will not be found in our history books and if by some chance one is found in the history books, it will be written so that it would be difficult to realize it was the same story. Our children were brought up on the story of Pocohantas and how understanding the English were.

When stories of this nature are read, many people try to make excuses for the brutality that was imposed on the Native Americans. Many readers will mention the atrocities the Native Americans imposed on the English and citizens of the United States.KEEP IN MIND THIS LAND BELONGED TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS; they reacted just as any citizen would in defense of their land and family.

When Indians came in contact with the Europeans ( Spanish,French,English) it was a disaster for the Indians in the form of out right slaughter, or through diseases which the Indians were not immune to. I believe that is sufficient enough to make the Indians wary of the Europeans.

When the English arrived to settle Jamestown, Chief Powhatan fed and kept the English alive, however after a short time it was evident the intent of the English was to steal the land in any manner possible.

MILITARY CAMPAIGN AGAINST POWHATAN

During the summer of 1610 in Jamestown, the Governor, Thomas West De la Warr had directed Powhatan to return several runaway Englishman. It appears Powhatan did not respond in a satisfactory manner. De la Warr felt this was sufficient reason to conduct a military campaign against Powhatan. George Percy, brother to the Earl of Northumberland and De la Warr's second in command headed up the military action against Powhatan. The following is Percy's description of the actions that took place;

Drawing my soldiers into battle, placing a Captain or Lieutenant at every file, we marched towards the Indian Town...and then we fell upon them, put some fifteen or sixteen to the sword and almost the rest to flight...My Lieutenant brought with him the Queen and her children and one Indian prisoner for which I taxed him because he had spared them. His answer was that having them now in custody I might do with them what I pleased. Upon the same I caused the Indians head to be cut off, then disperesed my files, appointing my soldiers to burn their houses and to cut down their corn growing about the town. With the Indians dead or disperesed, their village destroyed, and their food supplies laid to waste, Percy sent out another raiding party to the the same to another Indian Town and then marched to his boats with the Queen and her children in tow. There, however his soldiers "did begin to murmur because the Queen and her children were spared." This seemed a reasonable complaint to Percy, so he called a council together and "it was agreed upon to putt the children to death THE WHICH WAS EFFECTED BY THROWING THEM OVERBOARD, SHOOTING OUT THEIR BRAINS IN THE WATER." Upon his return to Jamestown, however, Percy was informed that Governor De la Warr was unhappy with him because he had not yet killed the Queen. Advised by his chief Lieutenant that it would be best to burn her alive, Perry instead decided to end his day of "so much bloodshed" with a final act of mercy:instead of burning her, he had the queen quickly killed by stabbing her to death.

JAMESTOWN LEGISLATION AGAINST THE INDIANS

In 1623, the Jamestown Colonists passed legislation that indicated their hostility toward the Indians. The following acts are those that deal with the Indians.
Act 23: " that every dwelling house shall be pallizaded in for defence against the Indians.
Act 24: "that no man go or send abroad without a sufficient party well armed.
Act 25: "that men go not towork in the ground with out their arms (and a centenell upon them).
Act 26: "that the inhabitants go not aboard ships or upon any other occasions in such numbers, as thereby to weaken and endanger the plantations.
Act 27: "that the commander of every plantation take care that there be sufficient powder and ammunition within the plantation under his command and their pieces fixt and their arms complete.
Act 29: "that no commander of any plantation do either him-selfe or suffer others to spend powder unnecessarily in drinking or entertainments.
Act 32:"that at the beginning of July next the inhabitants of every corporation shall fall upon their adjoining savages, as we did last year, those that shall be hurt upon services, to be cured at the public charge; in case any to be lamed to be maintained by the country according to his person and quality.

Finally in 1655 the legislatures first act for that session was to pass an Act in the Indians favor. The Assembly admitted they were harsh on the Indians and they had attacked the white man to protect their land and way of life. The first Act: for every eight wolves heads the Indian brought in, the Great Man would receive a cow. The second Act: if the Indian families would bring in their children to live with a white family, the children would be educated and civilized and not be used as slaves. The third Act: it addressed the Indians land in that he could not bargin away his land to an Englishman without the permission of the Assembly, and his land was protected from unfair seizure.

Based on the treatment the English inflicted on the Powhatans when they arrived in 1608,the colonists, after the Revolutionary War continued the same methods that had served the English so well as indicated in the following stories as the United States moved west.

SAND CREEK MASSACRE (SE COLORADO).

In 1864 Col Chivington ( a former clergyman that had political ambitions) was appointed the territorial military commander in Colorado. After some isolated incidents with the Indians, Chivington sent out detachments to burn and destroy Indian villages, the Cheyenne, Arapahos, Sioux, Kiowa's, and Comanches's struck back. this give Chivington the opportunity that he was looking for, to launch a full scale attack on the Indians.

On November 29, 1864, Chivington deployed his command, about seven hundred solders with howitzers around Black Kettle's village on Sand Creek. Black Kettle was under the impression that he was at peace with the Americans; he ran up the American Flag and assured his people that all was well. the troops opened fire and charged. The Indians scattered in all directions. Chivington had made it clear that he wanted no prisoners, hie policy was "to kill and scalp all, little and big". Nits make lice he was fond of saying. Interpreter John Smith later testified: they were scalped, their brains knocked out; the men used their knives, ripped open women, clubbed little children, knocked them in the head with their guns, beat their brains out, mutilated their bodies in every sense of the word. Two hundred Cheyenne's, two thirds of them women and children perished. Nine chiefs died, however Chief Black Kettle escaped.( Only to be murdered later by Custer.)

WOUNDED KNEE

About a week prior to the slaughter at Wounded Knee, L.Frank Baum, editor of South Dakota's Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer newspaper advocated the extermination of all America's Indians. Quote; The nobility of the Redskin is extinquished and what few are left are a pack of whining curs who lick the hand that smites them. The whites by law of conquest, by justice of civilization, are masters of the American continent, and the best safety of the frontier settlements will be secured by the total annihilation of the few remaining Indians.(WHY NOT ANNIHILATION?)Their glory has fled, their spirit broken, their manhood effaced, better they should die than live the miserable wretches that they are. Unquote.L. FRANK BAUM LATER BECOMES FAMOUS AS THE AUTHOR OF:

"THE WIZARD OF OZ."

An Indian named American Horse, who had been friendly to the American troops for years gave this narrative of the slaughter at Wounded Knee; "they turned their guns, Hotchkiss guns upon the women who were in the lodges standing there under a flag of truce, and of course as soon as they were fired upon they fled...There was a women with an infant in her arms who was killed as she almost touched the flag of truce, and the women and children of course were strewn all along the circular village untill they were dispatched. Right near the flag of truce a mother was shot down with her infant; the child not knowing that it's mother was dead was still nursing, and that especially was a very sad sight.The women as they were fleeing with their babies were killed together, shot right through, and the women who were heavy with child were also killed...After most of them had been killed a cry was made that all those who were not killed or wounded should come forth and they would be safe. Little boys who were not wounded came out of their places of refuge, and as soon as they came in sight, a number of soldiers surrounded them and butchered them there... Of course it would have been alright if only the men were killed; we would feel almost grateful for it. But the fact of the killing of the women and more especially of the of the young boys and girls who are to go to make up the future of the Indian people, is the saddest part of the whole affair and we feel it very sorely." Unquote"

Shortly after the massacre, Baum stated his approval, in the "Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer's paper stating that; we had better, in order to protect our civilization, follow it up and wipe these untamed and untameable creatures from the face of the earth.

NEW ENGLAND COLONY

On May 26th 1635 in Connecticut, Captain John Mason with his Massachusetts-Connecticut force of ninty men and eighty Mohegans and 500 Narragansett Indians planned to attack the Pequot with the intent to completly wipe the town out. Mason and his militia struck in the predawn. Mason instructed his men to not take any prisoners. When the Mohegans and Narragansett found out about the no prisoner order they refused to participate and left. Thus left to his own devices, Mason ordered his miltiamen to set fire to the entire town, burning alive as many as 900 "women, children, and helpless old men. Those who tried to escape the blaze were cut down with swords and axes. As Plymouth Governor William Bradford later described the scene, paraphrasing Mason's own exultant account:
"It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fire and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stink and scent thereof; but the victory seemed a sweet sacriface, and they gave the praise thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to enclose their enemies in their hands and give them so speedy a victory over so pround and insulting an enemy.

The new England Colony made the Virginia Colonists look like a group of saints. Indians normally fought out of revenge, to steal women or slaves, but very seldom slaughtered women and children and old men for land.
What has been disclosed on this site is only the tip of the iceberg, broken treaties and promises are part of the Native Americans everyday vocabulary.

I'm sure some folks that read this page will feel uncomfortable, however that was not the intent. If we forget the past, it will make a circle and repeat it's self. It's also important for people to know the truth not only one side, but both. I believe a reader will now understand why the Native American feels strongly about their reservations and treaties with the government. In some parts of the country the Native American did not have voting privilages as late as the 1960s, so for them the past is not in the 1800s, but just a few short years ago.

The Native American is not looking for sympathy, but justice; if any one wants to keep informed of Native American problems, you can go on the internet www.indiancountry.com it's a well written paper. Also any comments or questions may be addressed to eagleman@theriver.com

References: Stannard, David E. "American Holocaust" 1992 Oxford University Press Inc.

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250 lbs. of carved Kraft cheese

:eek:

That is just dangerously cheezy! (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/5/55/Cheetos_Mascot.jpg)

But it's not fondue. :(

Not until you fon-do it.

:eek:

That is just dangerously cheezy! (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/5/55/Cheetos_Mascot.jpg)
Well, it ain't eazy...

Even my own Grandmother and Grandfather - he, a Cherokee; her, a Choctaw - turned their backs on their heritage because of the social, cultural, and economic pressures - as did their children, as did their son - my father.

One of my earliest memories was the "session" with my Father and his parents that occurred after I had shared with my classmates that I was part Indian, after I had shared with them how to tell what animals made what tracks... the teacher had called my Father and said that I had been telling "fairy tales" about being part Indian... my Father asked me if I had, and I told him "yes"; I told the truth.

He then told me to get in the car, and he drove to my Grandparent's house, where he told my Grandmother and Grandfather - his parents - what had happened.

My Grandparents became very silent at first - and then stood up and came over to me - Grandfather then kneeled and held me by the shoulders, and told me:

"NEVER let it be known you are Indian; you can pass for white, so BE white - forget everything you know about being Indian, forget all of it - because if you do not, you'll be treated worse than [blacks]."

My Grandfather did not say "blacks", but instead used a well-known epithet... He told my Father never to let me forget that, NEVER to let anyone know -

And my Grandmother, my father's mother, stood over me, shaking with anger, and told me "If you tell anyone you are Indian, I'll whup you so raw you can't sit down for a month"... I was six years old... only six years old...

I never forgot that afternoon - the incredible fear, anger, and confusion expressed in his eyes and face, her eyes and face; I never forgot the way his hands grabbed and hurt my shoulders - never forgot the incredible and devastating contradiction of his words compared to the oh-so-many wonderful and magical times he took me out in the desert to teach me Indian ways and skills...

He, who with my father gave me the birth name, the soul name that is so similar to my Tribal name of GhostWolf - caught in the paradox of wanting to maintain his heritage and pass it on; yet needing to make a living to support his family, his children - without being discriminated against...

He, who for the first six years of my life took great joy in taking me out into the Mojave, showing me how to read the sky for weather, read the phases of the moon for crops and hunting, showed me how to not only read and identify the tracks of so many different animals, but also how to tell how long ago they had been there...

Shaking, trembling, voice full of fear and anger - and yes, hate and shame - hurting me, telling me "NEVER let it be known you are Indian"... He, who had taught me so many truly wonderful things...

Never taught me anything about my heritage, OUR heritage ever again...

Thus this, my American Indian page...

it is my hope to learn what I can of my heritage; learn who my People the Cherokee and Choctaw are and were... learn my People's ways and beliefs and culture... that I may treasure The Ways, that I may honor my People even though I start on the Path so late in life.

That I may share with my son our roots, our Heritage - Our People...


http://www.nemasys.com/ghostwolf/Native/genocide.shtml

Why can't you stay on topic. You'll make Cheesasaurus Rex angry. You wouldn't like Cheesasaurus Rex when he's angry. :D

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250 lbs. of carved Kraft cheese

:eek:

AIEEE!

Quick! To THe Cheesemobile!

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:eek:

AIEEE!

Quick! To THe Cheesemobile!

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That one's going into my bookmarks.

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Just remember, grilled cheese is the Offical Sandwich of The Holy Family
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Native American Genocide

Raina Delema

History behind the News

Spring 2005



Introduction

When people think of genocide, there are many different examples that may run though their heads. For example, right now there is an intensely watched genocidal issue in Sudan. Another important genocide which occurred was during World War II when Adolph Hitler wanted to exterminate everyone who was of the Jewish faith. This example may be the most prominent in history, but it may not have been the earliest. Many think that issues of genocide only occur in foreign countries, but it may have in fact occurred here within the United States.

When Europeans first came to the Americas, they thought that they were discovering new land. Instead they were greeted with a land which was already inhabited by people with their own way of life. What happened after that is described by some as an American Holocaust. A lot of death and destruction came to Native American tribes when the European explorers and settlers landed.



Columbus, 1492

Christopher Columbus landed in the Americas on October 12, 1942. He brought with him the hope of prosperity and an excitement of discovery of a new world. Little did the voyagers know, there was already a “world” which existed in that land. That sense of hope and discovery from one part of the world eventually led to the death and destruction of another.

Many Native Americans believe that when Columbus first landed in the Americas, it was the beginning of what is now referred to as the American Holocaust. Columbus brought with him greedy men which ultimately led to discrimination, diseases and the death of thousands of Native American people.

Columbus himself brought men who were looking for gold. They took the inhabitants and made them into slaves. In some accounts, the Natives were murdered, tortured and deprived of the necessities. This occurred throughout other voyages as well, as Columbus and his men went from island to island.



English Europeans

It wasn’t necessarily the Spanish that did all of the damage, it was what (or who) followed after that. When the English started to come to the Americas from Europe, they didn’t particularly care who was already living on the land and they certainly didn’t have any regards for the Native Americans way of life. Europeans looked at their discovery as a new way of starting over and they saw the land that they had complete rights to. The English wanted the land and they would literally take it form them without a second thought. Native Americans soon became a minority as settlers poured in from Europe and began to expand. Not only did they treat then poorly but many tried to kill them altogether.

When Europeans first settled in North America, one of the biggest problems for Native Americans was the diseases which they brought with them. Since they had never been exposed to these diseases as the Europeans had they extremely susceptible to catching them. The Natives immune system could not handle the change. An intense amount of Native Americans died to diseases such as the plague, influenza and smallpox. The toll it took one each tribe was immense. Most tribes lost anywhere from fifty to ninety percent of their people due to illnesses alone.



The Indian Removal Act of 1830 – Trail of Tears

Throughout decades of English immigrants and the formation of the United States, Native Americans were continually mistreated. They were looked at as “savages” and were made slaves. The English had no tolerance of them and many wanted them dead. This was mostly because they did not share religious beliefs and they did not share the same way of living. Natives were killed by attack after attack. Their crops were destroyed by settlers leaving them dying of starvation.

On May 28, 1830, Andrew Jackson enacted the Indian Removal Act as a means to “trade” land which lied on the eastern side of the Mississippi where the Native Americans resided. In return, the Native Americans would be given land which was designated for them west of the Mississippi. Within the treaty there were some important terms of conditions in which the President guaranteed these different nations.

Jackson promised the protection of tribes from all outside forces while they were o the newly designated land. The act also guaranteed “aid” for those who were moving and needed help in doing so. In one paragraph it was stated that the land which was traded was to always belong to the tribes, regardless if it was them or their successors living on it. (There was however one exception to this rule. It stated in the treaty that if the “Indians become extinct, or abandon the same” then “…such lands shall revert to the United States”).

With all of these promises and more from President Andrew Jackson, five different tribes decided to move to the other side of the Mississippi. Their destination was Oklahoma which was known as Indian Territory. This began the incredible (albeit deadly) move of over 70,000 Native Americans within the span of ten years. This trek is sadly known as the Trail of Tears.

The move from east to west proved to be more destructive to the tribes than it was helpful. What seemed to be a fair trade soon turned a terrible ordeal as many people died from the move. Native Americans died from exhaustion and starvation from the long journey. Over 3,000 Natives of the Cherokee tribe alone died on the Trail of Tears. This was not to mention all of those who died once they arrived in Oklahoma.



Western Expansion

As America was expanding, Native Americans were being pushed farther west and even up into Canada. With Manifest Destiny and the United States constantly taking shape, the English settlers were much greedier for land and grew less tolerant of the Natives standing in their way. There were numerous amounts of massacres and things were not getting better.

One example of a state and its extreme efforts to move the Native Americans out of the land was Texas. When Texas entered the union they had different policies regarding Native Americans than the United States had already outlined. Texans did not think they needed to trade land nor did they think that the Natives even had rights to the land to begin with. Because of this, Texans would invade land owned by Native Americans because they supposedly had no claims or rights to it.

In 1847, Texas granted “speculators” pieces of land. This land was already inhabited by Natives. When the new settlers had surveyors check out the land they found Native Americans who were none to happy about the situation.

Texans wanted the Native Americans out so the new settlers could help to expand the state. Texans continually went onto their lands and they continually killed many people. In 1859, after a system of reservations failed, Native Americans were finally forced out of Texas.

Another example on a Tribal level (rather than state) occurred in 1877 with the Nez Perce Tribe. Approximately 750 members of the Nez Perce tribe were forced to move to designated reservations under orders of General Howard. The Nez Perce fled to Montana where they thought that they would be safe from Howard. Once they were settled, Colonel John Gibbon took orders from Howard to carry on an attack on the tribe with the intention of wiping them out, not just relocating them. Gibbon issued a surprise attack which left numerous dead (a significant amount of those were warriors). The war ended in surrender with Chief Joseph’s now famous words “I will fight no more forever.” Upon surrendering the Nez Perce were forced to move to a reservation, which was what they had tried to avoid all along.

These are just a couple of examples which occurred out of a numerous amount. History books show many massacres and many wrongdoings toward the Native Americans before and after these occurrences.



Raphael Lemkin and “genocide”

The question is not whether they were treated inhumanly because that has already been established by history itself. The question is whether or not the treatment they received constitutes a form of genocide. In 1944, Raphael Lemkin introduced the term “genocide” and provided a set of definitions or guidelines for the word.

Lemkin defined genocide after the Holocaust of World War II. He described it to be the destruction of a “culture, language, national feelings, [and] religion.” According to prevent genocide.org, part of genocide is the “abolition of local laws and local courts.” Within the treaties and even in the Indian Civil Rights Act if 1968, Native Americans were given sovereignty whether or not this actually kept. There are many tribes today which still have tribal governments. Economically, Native Americans were targeted. There lands were taken from them and their crops were destroyed. They were endangered by the disease which were carried and sometimes administered among the Natives. Being forced out of their homelands on long trails such as the Trail of Tears led to deprivation of many things which caused the deaths of thousands.

Can the mistreatment of Native Americans constitute genocide? There are certainly many instances in which it could be considered genocide. The outspokenness of some men back in those times of war distinctly called for the extermination of Native Americans. There were many actions which were taken to “get rid” of them.

One also must look at the fact of whether or not the removal of Native Americans constitutes as a form of genocide if negative consequences occur along the way. The intended death and destruction of a people just because they are of a certain origin or ethnic background does fall under the definition of genocide. What the history of Native Americans gives us can be determined as a form of genocide. While we can not go back in time, we can learn from mistakes and learn tolerance from history. This can help us to realize that not only does this go on in other nations, it may also occur on America’s homeland.

Just remember, grilled cheese is the Offical Sandwich of The Holy Family
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Oh, that's corny.

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AIEEE!

Quick! To THe Cheesemobile!

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We could take the cheese boat (http://z.about.com/d/baltimore/1/0/5/1/-/-/Avamkineticdkonewandg500x333.JPG), but I don't trust that dog...

No kidding, the commentator on the dart competition that's on right now (the Red Bull Air Races just ended and I haven't changed the channel) is making cheese metaphors.

We all know why.

Cheese is awesome.

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.


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Oh, that's corny.

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Why would cheese want to be corn? That'd be like having a Honda Accord kit car that you build off a Ferrari donor car...

-Snip-

PLease don't. I have some native american ancestry. Unfortunately, the Taino people of Puerto Rico will probably never be recognized as a federally recognized tribe because the effective damage to them was done by the Spanish!

And I kind of like spanish cheese so I don't want to speak ill of their bloody history right now. :p

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.


http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

You know what's tasty?

Bleu cheese. I had a chicken sandwich with some on it this afternoon and damn it was tasty.

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.


http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html
If you're worried about your posts being overtaken by cheese, you're 346 posts too late.

besides,
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You know what's tasty?

Bleu cheese. I had a chicken sandwich with some on it this afternoon and damn it was tasty.

You know, I never really acquired a taste for Bleu cheese. Ceste la vi.

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.


http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

Oh my god! Big Blue Text!

AIEEE!!! :eek:

AIEEE!!! :eek:

Big Blue Text! Now I've done it! He's drawn out the Big Blue Text!

*almost panics* Wait.... I almost forgot....

I have the counteragent:

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Big Blue Cheese! :D

Oh, I am not worried at all.

It is nice to see a vivid proof that Yank youth is as racist and disinterested about the genocide their ancestors committed as you (who blabber off topic) are.

You know, I never really acquired a taste for Bleu cheese. Ceste la vi.

It's great on a hamburger...especially if you throw some buffalo sauce into the meat

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.

It's great on a hamburger...especially if you throw some buffalo sauce into the meat

Brother, you just made me hungry.

And all I have is Monterey Jack...which I'll grant is a tasty tasty cheese.

Oh, I am not worried at all.

It is nice to see a vivid proof that Yank youth is as racist and disinterested about the genocide their ancestors committed as you (who blabber off topic) are.

It isn't that I don't care about genocide and blah blah blah, it's that you just don't care enough about the power of cheese.

And aside from me, I don't think we're youth. And Cannotthinkofaname isn't a yank.


Although, this is interesting...the three participants in the cheese talk are from New England or California...two regions well known for their cheese production.

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.

Hey, you know those little cheese bite things that come in red wax? How long do those keep, 'cause I got some left over in the fridge but I don't remember from when...

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.
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By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.

Shit. Do they make red cheese? :confused:

Edit: YAY! :D

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Oh, I am not worried at all.

It is nice to see a vivid proof that Yank youth is as racist and disinterested about the genocide their ancestors committed as you (who blabber off topic) are.

Youth? I'm 33 (I'll be 34 in December). By the way, I'm not a racist (since you don't know anything about me except my age, which I just told you, you don't have the information to be making that kind of hypothesis), nor am I disinterested in discussing the wrongs of genocide (although my ancestors didn't commit any, since my ancestors didn't come to the US until the beginning of the 20th century, and were not involved with the examples you stated). I'd just rather talk about cheese than fall into your trolling, flamebaiting trap. :D

BTW, does anyone else find this funny? http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/zestyneilio/CheeseMouse3.jpg

Shit. Do they make red cheese? :confused:

I had a cheese once from England (when I lived in France) that was made with red wine, and thus was partly red. Unfortunately, I have no idea what it's called.

Brother, you just made me hungry.

And all I have is Monterey Jack...which I'll grant is a tasty tasty cheese.

A superior melting cheese. I shred it for my tacos. *nod*

BTW, does anyone else find this funny? http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/zestyneilio/CheeseMouse3.jpg

Yes. Yes I do.

I had a cheese once from England (when I lived in France) that was made with red wine, and thus was partly red. Unfortunately, I have no idea what it's called.

Red Windsor? I found some.

I had a cheese once from England (when I lived in France) that was made with red wine, and thus was partly red. Unfortunately, I have no idea what it's called.

perhaps port (http://www.grubreport.com/photos/feelingmn6.jpg)?

A superior melting cheese. I shred it for my tacos. *nod*

It's my favorite common cheese. But oddly enough every time I buy some I can't remember if the quality I'm checking is something it should have or shouldn't have, so I stand there in the cheese aisle, squeezing the cheese and looking like crazy cheese man.

BTW, does anyone else find this funny? http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/zestyneilio/CheeseMouse3.jpg

hysterical.:D

I'm getting timewarped to the punch. :(

We had to rig the game. You know what they say, if you ain't winning, they're cheatin'...

Gah, I used a NASCAR euphemism...I need to wash my mouth out...


wash it out with cheese!

EDIT: HaHA! Time warped!!!

I'm getting timewarped to the punch. :(

I'm getting timewarped to the punch. :(

My apologies. you may take it out on me when you fully take on the God position.


Which reminds me, how are the scrotum seeking attack weasles doing? Would they care for some cheese perhaps?


wow...I just realized that is potentially gross...


*is Jewish, for the record* ;)

Shit. Do they make red cheese? :confused:

Edit: YAY! :D

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/91/180px-Cheese_23_bg_051306.jpg

Something similar to that. I was never told what it was called.

QUite. :)

This (http://soundsofthecinema.blogspirit.com/images/medium_1140999090_Cheese.jpg) is fairly comical too. :)

Danger Mouse needs to keep his eyes on the prize...

HA! Time warped again! I own you! (not really, but it was fun to say...)

BTW, does anyone else find this funny? http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/zestyneilio/CheeseMouse3.jpg

QUite. :)

This (http://soundsofthecinema.blogspirit.com/images/medium_1140999090_Cheese.jpg) is fairly comical too. :)

Which reminds me, how are the scrotum seeking attack weasles doing? Would they care for some cheese perhaps?

http://www.cheeseweasel.net/images/title/CheeseWeaselLogo.gif

:)

http://www.cheeseweasel.net/images/title/CheeseWeaselLogo.gif

:)

how strangely conveeeeeenient

It's great on a hamburger...especially if you throw some buffalo sauce into the meat

Domino's makes this awesome bleu cheese and feta mix that I always get as a dipping sauce for cheesy bread.

...no, jumping into the cheese conversation this late just isn't the same. It's like arriving at an orgy just as everyone's finishing up.

Domino's makes this awesome bleu cheese and feta mix that I always get as a dipping sauce for cheesy bread.

...no, jumping into the cheese conversation this late just isn't the same. It's like arriving at an orgy just as everyone's finishing up.

The allure of a bleu cheese dip isn't enough to convince me to brave a Domino's order. It's less a pizza and more a pizza cracker, and a bad one at that.

And, of course, they skimp on the cheese...

Domino's makes this awesome bleu cheese and feta mix that I always get as a dipping sauce for cheesy bread.

...no, jumping into the cheese conversation this late just isn't the same. It's like arriving at an orgy just as everyone's finishing up.

*smokes a cigarette* Give me few minutes to recharge.

THe government gave away free cheese in the 1980s and that evens out I think. :)

Still does.

Oh I know. Their pizzas suck.

But their Cheesy Bread sticks are usually DRIPPING in cheese. They're the only thing I routinely order.
You can order the cheese sticks only, not the craptacular pizza? Or is that only for pick up...?

The allure of a bleu cheese dip isn't enough to convince me to brave a Domino's order. It's less a pizza and more a pizza cracker, and a bad one at that.

And, of course, they skimp on the cheese...

Oh I know. Their pizzas suck.

But their Cheesy Bread sticks are usually DRIPPING in cheese. They're the only thing I routinely order.

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million.

Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.


http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html


Given that the fatality rate amongst native populations was 90%, between Smallpox and the other crowd diseases, I don't feel that Europeans can really be blamed consciously orchestrating this die-off, as they had absolutely no clue as to the existence of germs, and the impact of immunity and public health. And, given that germ theory wasn't developed until 1835 by Bassi, during his work with silk worms...well...by the definition of genocide you provided, the impact of disease, which accounts for an overwhelming amount of the Amerind population that died during that 400 year period.

Further, it may seem something of an issue of semantics, but at the time of the European contact there was no such thing as the United States.

Given that the fatality rate amongst native populations was 90%, between Smallpox and the other crowd diseases, I don't feel that Europeans can really be blamed consciously orchestrating this die-off, as they had absolutely no clue as to the existence of germs, and the impact of immunity and public health. And, given that germ theory wasn't developed until 1835 by Bassi, during his work with silk worms...well...by the definition of genocide you provided, the impact of disease, which accounts for an overwhelming amount of the Amerind population that died during that 400 year period.

Further, it may seem something of an issue of semantics, but at the time of the European contact there was no such thing as the United States.
I wouldn't bother, he really sucks at this.

Embrace the cheese.

The allure of a bleu cheese dip isn't enough to convince me to brave a Domino's order. It's less a pizza and more a pizza cracker, and a bad one at that.

And, of course, they skimp on the cheese...

two words. Cheesy. Bread. Live by these.

And get it with the kickers, so you get the bleu cheese dip

two words. Cheesy. Bread. Live by these.

And get it with the kickers, so you get the bleu cheese dip

Will they deliver just cheesy bread? That is the burning question. I say burning because I got the lactose intolerance, which is one of the reasons my girlfriend rocks, she found me a pill I can take that allows me to enjoy cheese pain free. I dig that woman.

I wouldn't bother, he really sucks at this.

Embrace the cheese.

Indeed, MS sucks at this game.

I was going to have some tasty extra sharp cheddar cheese, but our cheese slicer (http://www.cooking.com/images/products/shprodde/115702.jpg) was dirty and so somebody put it in the sink with all the other dirty dishes and nasty dirty-dish-water. So I couldn't use it and instead had a salad.

However, I did put parmesan cheese on my salad. So not all was lost.

Indeed, MS sucks at this game.

I was going to have some tasty extra sharp cheddar cheese, but our cheese slicer (http://www.cooking.com/images/products/shprodde/115702.jpg) was dirty and so somebody put it in the sink with all the other dirty dishes and nasty dirty-dish-water. So I couldn't use it and instead had a salad.

However, I did put parmesan cheese on my salad. So not all was lost.
Alternative cheese application to the rescue!!!

The cheese slicer they sell at the grocery store here sucks out loud. I've bought three so far and they've all broken in short order. I won't buy a fourth. So I have to use a knife.

Except that I'm left handed, and the serrates on the knife are such that they correct the natural twist of those right handed bastards...so that when a lefty uses them it twists into the block giving me a wedge instead of a slice.

Alternative cheese application to the rescue!!!

The cheese slicer they sell at the grocery store here sucks out loud. I've bought three so far and they've all broken in short order. I won't buy a fourth. So I have to use a knife.

Except that I'm left handed, and the serrates on the knife are such that they correct the natural twist of those right handed bastards...so that when a lefty uses them it twists into the block giving me a wedge instead of a slice.

How the hell do they break? They're just a piece of metal with a slot in it. Seems damn near indestructible in terms of normal kitchen use.

I'm crappy at slicing cheese with a knife because I grew up in a home with three cheese slicers (in case one or two were dirty).

Will they deliver just cheesy bread? That is the burning question. I say burning because I got the lactose intolerance, which is one of the reasons my girlfriend rocks, she found me a pill I can take that allows me to enjoy cheese pain free. I dig that woman.

You'd have to find out what the minimum delivery charge is for your Domino's. I know mine's over the price of the Cheesy Bread + Blue Cheese sauce, so I always drive to pick it up myself. Which is fine, since it's practically around the corner, but I don't know how far your nearest one is.

Indeed, MS sucks at this game.

I was going to have some tasty extra sharp cheddar cheese, but our cheese slicer (http://www.cooking.com/images/products/shprodde/115702.jpg) was dirty and so somebody put it in the sink with all the other dirty dishes and nasty dirty-dish-water. So I couldn't use it and instead had a salad.

However, I did put parmesan cheese on my salad. So not all was lost.

I prefer Aged Reserve, as far as cheddars go. Call me crazy, but Cracker Barrel's Aged Reserve is some of the best cheese I've ever had.

Alternative cheese application to the rescue!!!

The cheese slicer they sell at the grocery store here sucks out loud. I've bought three so far and they've all broken in short order. I won't buy a fourth. So I have to use a knife.

Except that I'm left handed, and the serrates on the knife are such that they correct the natural twist of those right handed bastards...so that when a lefty uses them it twists into the block giving me a wedge instead of a slice.

Are you talking about the wire slicers?

Maybe try something like this: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/kkapers2_1972_261158855

Alternative cheese application to the rescue!!!

The cheese slicer they sell at the grocery store here sucks out loud. I've bought three so far and they've all broken in short order. I won't buy a fourth. So I have to use a knife.

Except that I'm left handed, and the serrates on the knife are such that they correct the natural twist of those right handed bastards...so that when a lefty uses them it twists into the block giving me a wedge instead of a slice.

I have the exact same problem. I use a non-serated blade. It gives you thicker slices, but at least they're slices.

Are you talking about the wire slicers?

Maybe try something like this: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/kkapers2_1972_261158855
That's awesome!!! I must find one...

That's awesome!!! I must find one...

I got the picture from here:

http://www.kitchenkapers.com/stainless-steel-2-handled-cheese-knife.html

That's awesome!!! I must find one...

Or one of these:

http://www.beadedthings.com/files/cheese_slicer500_1_.jpg

We use this kind. They never break. Ours have wooden handles though, a bit less elegant than this one.

Don't bother with wire slicers. They can't cut butter on a hot day in August.

Will they deliver just cheesy bread? That is the burning question. I say burning because I got the lactose intolerance, which is one of the reasons my girlfriend rocks, she found me a pill I can take that allows me to enjoy cheese pain free. I dig that woman.

My place will deliver cheesy bread and kickers...no clue about the bread alone, but kickers are pretty bangin, and are effectively renamed "shit kickers"...not sure if that's a good thing or not...or even relevant...

Are you talking about the wire slicers?

Maybe try something like this: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/kkapers2_1972_261158855

That is a truly beautiful implement...

Are you talking about the wire slicers?

Maybe try something like this: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/kkapers2_1972_261158855

I need to get me one of those.

Yeah, cheese shredder

-- similar in shape to the implement the Anglo-Saxon thieves who stole Native Americans' land skinned rebellios First Nations leaders alive with.

Yeah, cheese shredder

-- similar in shape to the implement the Anglo-Saxon thieves who stole Native Americans' land skinned rebellios First Nations leaders alive with.
No, no, no. That is a cheese SLICER, similar to the tomahawks the natives used to scalp my ancestors!

Silly boy.

No, no, no. That is a cheese SLICER, similar to the tomahawks the natives used to scalp my ancestors!

Silly boy.

You have to admire his pluck.

You have to admire his pluck.

he is a persistant little runt.


RUNT! I SAID RUNT! :)

Or one of these:

http://www.beadedthings.com/files/cheese_slicer500_1_.jpg

We use this kind. They never break. Ours have wooden handles though, a bit less elegant than this one.

Don't bother with wire slicers. They can't cut butter on a hot day in August.

This doesn't give me thick enough slices, though.

Once upon a time I had a wire cutter that cut like magic, and I thought that they were all like that and I was sadly mistaken. Now I wish I could remember where that good one came from so I could have it back.

he is a persistant little runt.


RUNT! I SAID RUNT! :)
I guess if given enough time he'll wander into a point.

We might not notice because at this point, whose paying attention to anything non-cheese related...

I guess if given enough time he'll wander into a point.

We might not notice because at this point, whose paying attention to anything non-cheese related...
that's my professors theory of exam essays. "Just keep writing. Hell, given enough random letters, a monkey will write Shakespeare...you can't be that much worse than a monkey."


and the cheese stands alone. En masse. Which would be a contradiction, were it not for the extreme awesomeness of the cheese.


I am the cheese. I am the best character on the show. I am better than the salami and bologna combined.

No, no, no. That is a cheese SLICER, similar to the tomahawks the natives used to scalp my ancestors!

Silly boy.

And rightfully so, simpleton, for these Native Americans were defending their own proeprty that your ancestors were robbing from them.

Those First Americans did not come to whatever stinkhole it was whence your ancestors were expelled as the "wretched refuse" of even such a miserable place...

Gosh, you are slow!!

And rightfully so, simpleton, for these Native Americans were defending their own proeprty that your ancestors were robbing from them.

Those First Americans did not come to whatever stinkhole it was whence your ancestors were expelled as the "wretched refuse" of even such a miserable place...

Gosh, you are slow!!

Ah...but you have yet to answer the only question that matters: did the Native Americans have cheese? I THINK NOT!

Still going strong I see. *approves*

My favourite cheese for nibbling on it's own is Jalapeño Cheddar. It is made of much win. And Jalapeños.

And you just have to undergo a scalping in the PURPORTED manner of your anestors. It's a small compensation for what you did to the RIGHTFUL OWNERS from whom you yourself STOLE everything you have.

BTW, scalping is an Arabic custom from the Maghreb which the French have introduced to Nouvelle France (about a 1/3 of today's so-called USA), by offering the Natives money for a proof of a dead enemy -- scalp.

And you just have to undergo a scalping in the PURPORTED manner of your anestors. It's a small compensation for what you did to the RIGHTFUL OWNERS from whom you yourself STOLE everything you have.

but I bought this gouda fair and square!


That havarti, however...well, we don't talk about where that came from...all very hush-hush. You understand. :cool:

Bought with a stolen money, in a country built on the bones and blood of 12 million Native Americans destroyed in a genocide perpetrated by the government and population of the United Statelets (Maniacs United).

Bought with a stolen money, in a country built on the bones and blood of 12 million Native Americans destroyed in a genocide perpetrated by the government and population of the United Statelets (Maniacs United).

So you're saying if I give the cheese to the nearest Pequot I can find, all is good?!


FREE CHEESE FOR ALL!


which brings us full circle back to government cheese.

I think you're better at this than you let on.

you have no right to "give" anything,

because everything you "own" is to be confiscated,

as it is a result of a criminal act:

armed robbery with manslaughter and first degree murder -- en masse -- combined.

you have no right to "give" anything,

because everything you "own" is to be confiscated,

as it is a result of a criminal act:

armed robbery with manslaughter and first degree murder -- en masse -- combined.

But they don't give cheese in prison.

No, I don't like this at all. Not one bit.

I much prefer a nice cheddar.

Have you ever tried grilled cheese with mayonaisse on one piece of bread, cream cheese on the other piece, and two slices of American? So creamy and rich and delicious.

I applaud you on that massive info dump...wow.

Yes, I agree with you and him. I also wish Miodrag would get it through his presumably thick skull that they are NOT "the United Statelets of a Belt between Canada and Mejico"; they are the "United States of America", though I suppose I can tolerate "Statelets" being substituted for "States", what with good ol' Abe Lincoln having done away with the States' right to secede from the Union after (actually, if the truth be known, it would be more accurate to say VIA rather than "after") the Civil War.

But the phrase "a Belt between Canada and Mejico" is inaccurate. It is "America", NOT "a Belt between Canada and Mejico".

So you're saying if I give the cheese to the nearest Pequot I can find, all is good?!


FREE CHEESE FOR ALL!


which brings us full circle back to government cheese.

I think you're better at this than you let on.

He's otherworldly!!!
http://www.wackyadvice.com/halloween/SpaceCheese.gif

Yes, I agree with you and him. I also wish Miodrag would get it through his presumably thick skull that they are NOT "the United Statelets of a Belt between Canada and Mejico"; they are the "United States of America", though I suppose I can tolerate "Statelets" being substituted for "States", what with good ol' Abe Lincoln having done away with the States' right to secede from the Union after (actually, if the truth be known, it would be more accurate to say VIA rather than "after") the Civil War.

But the phrase "a Belt between Canada and Mejico" is inaccurate. It is "America", NOT "a Belt between Canada and Mejico".

More importantly, he should relize that when you start a thread with cheese, and the NSGod determines that we should discuss cheese, CHEESE SHALL PREVAIL!

Who cares if you like something or not, "wretched refuse... homeless, tempest-tost"?

That sounds so disgusting that it must be delicious.

anything with that much fat has to be good.
It is my ultimate comfort food.

But they don't give cheese in prison.

No, I don't like this at all. Not one bit.

I much prefer a nice cheddar.

Have you ever tried grilled cheese with mayonaisse on one piece of bread, cream cheese on the other piece, and two slices of American? So creamy and rich and delicious.

That sounds so disgusting that it must be delicious.

Yes, I agree with you and him. I also wish Miodrag would get it through his presumably thick skull that they are NOT "the United Statelets of a Belt between Canada and Mejico"; they are the "United States of America", though I suppose I can tolerate "Statelets" being substituted for "States", what with good ol' Abe Lincoln having done away with the States' right to secede from the Union after (actually, if the truth be known, it would be more accurate to say VIA rather than "after") the Civil War.

But the phrase "a Belt between Canada and Mejico" is inaccurate. It is "America", NOT "a Belt between Canada and Mejico".
I wouldn't bother, if he is serious he's really not bright enough to bother with, and if he isn't he's only trying to get a rise. Either way he's not as interesting as cheese.

Who cares if you like something or not, "wretched refuse... homeless, tempest-tost"?

alternatively, you could try a grilled cheese where you spread one side of the bread with a jelly. I found that Havarti and raspberry jam worked wonderfully. Not as good as the previous combination, but still quite good.

I wouldn't bother, if he is serious he's really not bright enough to bother with, and if he isn't he's only trying to get a rise. Either way he's not as interesting as cheese.

I must say tho, that before this thread, I had never fully explored that which is the cheese. It is much more versatile that I had ever thought.

Raspberries, red with the blood of Native American children slaughtered en masse for your ancestors' thieving pleasures?

No, thanks. you stick to your vampiric pleasures for as little longer as you have it before we've done it with the despicable Belt Between Canada and Mejico.

I must say tho, that before this thread, I had never fully explored that which is the cheese. It is much more versatile that I had ever thought.

Who knew so much could come from leaving milk out....

alternatively, you could try a grilled cheese where you spread one side of the bread with a jelly. I found that Havarti and raspberry jam worked wonderfully. Not as good as the previous combination, but still quite good.

I have the same reaction I had to the chocolate cheese product earlier...

Raspberries, red with the blood of Native American children slaughtered en masse for your ancestors' thieving pleasures?

No, thanks. you stick to your vampiric pleasures for as little longer as you have it before we've done it with the despicable Belt Between Canada and Mejico.

See, now I have to disagree with you there. Although the UK does make a fine cheesecake, I do have to say that NYC perfected the art.

Raspberries, red with the blood of Native American children slaughtered en masse for your ancestors' thieving pleasures?

That actually sounds pretty tasty.

No, thanks. you stick to your vampiric pleasures for as little longer as you have it before we've done it with the despicable Belt Between Canada and Mejico.

Fail. Do you honestly think that the white folk who took over Canada passed around roses and fucking daisies and bought the land from the native americans fair and square?

You need a history lesson, child.

I have the same reaction I had to the chocolate cheese product earlier...

sounds kinda gross right? Well, I saw it on foodnetwork one night, and I was curious. Think about it...how great is apple in cheese? Or grapes?

speaking of grapes with ezcheese. Amazing.

Who knew so much could come from leaving milk out....

Well, duh.

Fuck milk. Especially skim.

Well, duh.

Fuck milk. Especially skim.

I totally agree. Milk is gross.

Raspberries, red with the blood of Native American children slaughtered en masse for your ancestors' thieving pleasures?That actually sounds pretty tasty.

I had no doubt that one of the Yanks would admit to it.

Did you go to Waco to collect the eyeballs of the kiddies massacred there and gobble on them?

I had no doubt that one of the Yanks would admit to it.

Did you go to Waco to collect the eyeballs of the kiddies massacred there and gobble on them?

only with a side of fine wine and cheese. they replace the grapes nicely.

However, I prefer to sample beers with cheese and chocolate. Much nicer balance of bitter and sweet than wine.

Raspberries, red with the blood of Native American children slaughtered en masse for your ancestors' thieving pleasures?

No, thanks. you stick to your vampiric pleasures for as little longer as you have it before we've done it with the despicable Belt Between Canada and Mejico.

Still you try to squeeze the cheese, but all you end up with is sticky fingers. :p

Still you try to squeeze the cheese, but all you end up with is sticky fingers.

Rather bizarre... A Yank, from a country founded on armed robbery compounded with mass murder (not so much out of malice, but utilitarianism: to perpetuate the robbery), talking about someone else's "sticky fingers".

I noticed you dodging the point on the Canadian issue. Your failure is showing, boy.

Incidentally, I'm not even a Yank, proving you fail even harder.

Seriously, why are you even bothering? Are you some repressed child who didn't get enough hugs from his mommy? Want a hug, little man?

hey now. No thread hijacks. Remember,
http://www.facheese.com/image21.gif

That actually sounds pretty tasty.



Fail. Do you honestly think that the white folk who took over Canada passed around roses and fucking daisies and bought the land from the native americans fair and square?

You need a history lesson, child.

Well, clearly he doesn't care about imperialism. He's a beneficiary of economic imperialism and he insists on the spelling 'Mejico' rather than 'Mexico,' the former of which is only really common in Spain, the imperial power that more or less leveled the most advanced civilization on the continent to bring Mexico into existence. As such, his concern is hard to divine, except in the hopes to rile some feathers by bringing up grade school level history. One can imagine him shouting "NaziHitlerNaziHitler" to a German to get them riled up, but would probably ilicite the same response, "What's your point, and more importantly, how about sausage?" (Because they're German, you see, and...look, I do these on the fly, it's not like he's put up anything worth effort, he's a mid grade troll at best who will be gone in a week...)

I noticed you dodging the point on the Canadian issue. Your failure is showing, boy.

Incidentally, I'm not even a Yank, proving you fail even harder.

Seriously, why are you even bothering? Are you some repressed child who didn't get enough hugs from his mommy? Want a hug, little man?

Last time I held an atlas (yesterday afternoon), New Jersey was not yet in Canada. But hopefully soon... Or in Mejico. Or whatever -- just not the accursed USA.

Still you try to squeeze the cheese, but all you end up with is sticky fingers. :p

I can think of half a dozen ways to read that line, and none of them are good.

I had no doubt that one of the Yanks would admit to it.

Did you go to Waco to collect the eyeballs of the kiddies massacred there and gobble on them?

I noticed you dodging the point on the Canadian issue. Your failure is showing, boy.

Incidentally, I'm not even a Yank, proving you fail even harder.

Seriously, why are you even bothering? Are you some repressed child who didn't get enough hugs from his mommy? Want a hug, little man?

hey now. No thread hijacks. Remember,
http://www.facheese.com/image21.gif

Do they run those 'good cheese comes from happy cows' ads outside California? I always wondered that...

Still you try to squeeze the cheese, but all you end up with is sticky fingers. :p

Is squeezing the cheese when you leave a mark?

Well, clearly he doesn't care about imperialism. He's a beneficiary of economic imperialism and he insists on the spelling 'Mejico' rather than 'Mexico,' the former of which is only really common in Spain, the imperial power that more or less leveled the most advanced civilization on the continent to bring Mexico into existence. As such, his concern is hard to divine, except in the hopes to rile some feathers by bringing up grade school level history. One can imagine him shouting "NaziHitlerNaziHitler" to a German to get them riled up, but would probably ilicite the same response, "What's your point, and more importantly, how about sausage?" (Because they're German, you see, and...look, I do these on the fly, it's not like he's put up anything worth effort, he's a mid grade troll at best who will be gone in a week...)

To be fair, sausage and cheese is a classic mix. Besides, Germany never invaded poland. They were on vacation. There was a party. Punch was served. Ask poland!

I had no doubt that one of the Yanks would admit to it.

Did you go to Waco to collect the eyeballs of the kiddies massacred there and gobble on them?

Seriously Miodrag - what is your problem?

I still can't see what you're trying to say about Waco at all. That it's some kind of government conspiracy to kill children?

It was a screw up in terms of raiding the building, under very understandable conditions - I just can't see what the conspiracy would be?

Indians - I mean, it's a sad result of an invasion by Europeans, bringing disease and more - you could point to Australia and New Zealand or Africa, South America as well no?

I just fail to see what your point is?

Do they run those 'good cheese comes from happy cows' ads outside California? I always wondered that...
Yep...we got them all the way out here in MA/CT.

They were all founded on mass murder, silly goose.

But how many of them give out free cheese besides the Good Ol' US of A? Not too many my dear sweet silly kid. Not too many. :)
It really all does come back to government cheese.

Rather bizarre... A Yank, from a country founded on armed robbery compounded with mass murder (not so much out of malice, but utilitarianism: to perpetuate the robbery), talking about someone else's "sticky fingers".

They were all founded on mass murder, silly goose.

But how many of them give out free cheese besides the Good Ol' US of A? Not too many my dear sweet silly kid. Not too many. :)

I can think of half a dozen ways to read that line, and none of them are good.

I suppose it all depends on how badly cut the cheese is :p

I can think of half a dozen ways to read that line, and none of them are good.

I am the inventor of the Triple Entendre. :)

To be fair, sausage and cheese is a classic mix. Besides, Germany never invaded poland. They were on vacation. There was a party. Punch was served. Ask poland!
No fooling-I just ate sausage and cheese not like half an hour ago.

Is squeezing the cheese when you leave a mark?

Depends where you squeeze it. :)

Last time I held an atlas (yesterday afternoon), New Jersey was not yet in Canada. But hopefully soon... Or in Mejico. Or whatever -- just not the accursed USA.

Amusing. You assume that by my physical location that I am a "yank."

You've got a lot to learn, kid. And probably a few more lonely nights crying yourself to sleep.

Given the name 'Miodrag' - one would assume, if assuming is what we're allowing here, that the OP is Serbian.

Serbia, where Woodstock was held.

Yep...we got them all the way out here in MA/CT.

Seriously? Wow, I'm not sure if that's sad or cool...

No fooling-I just ate sausage and cheese not like half an hour ago.

You seem like a person who could get into disco fries.

Make regular cheese fries (I use mild cheddar) and then pour turkey gravy over the top. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.

Do they run those 'good cheese comes from happy cows' ads outside California? I always wondered that...

We get them up here, but as we neighbor Wisconsin we generally laugh at them.

They were all founded on mass murder, silly goose.

But how many of them give out free cheese besides the Good Ol' US of A? Not too many my dear sweet silly kid. Not too many. :)

I wonder if Rome of old had a "Free Cheese Policy" for those on the dole.

It's worth looking into.

Given the name 'Miodrag' - one would assume, if assuming is what we're allowing here, that the OP is Serbian.

Serbia, where Woodstock was held.

Silly Hippies.

We get them up here, but as we neighbor Wisconsin we generally laugh at them.

We got Vermont up here

Seriously Miodrag - what is your problem?

I still can't see what you're trying to say about Waco at all. That it's some kind of government conspiracy to kill children?

It was a screw up in terms of raiding the building, under very understandable conditions - I just can't see what the conspiracy would be?

Indians - I mean, it's a sad result of an invasion by Europeans, bringing disease and more - you could point to Australia and New Zealand or Africa, South America as well no?

I just fail to see what your point is?

Seriosly, Barri (cutting your nick in half, as you did with mine), I have NO problem.

It is, however, quite disappointing to see that no Yank on this forum is able to debate the shameful points of their country's history without getting inflamatory, offensive, highly personal etc. while keeping their idiotic patronising attitude of mediocre pseudo-discussants whom I wouldn't even call goofs (as even that would be too flatterin a word).

Ah well... I guess they for the most part need a more seriously broken nose (metaphorically speaking -- I intend to hurt no one, but, thank Goddess, China, Russia, and more and more the EU as well won't tolerate a unipolar world dicatorship any longer).

It doesn't matter who beats the bully, as long as the bully is beaten. If the next guy is a bully too, we'll justr have to re-organise...

Given the name 'Miodrag' - one would assume, if assuming is what we're allowing here, that the OP is Serbian.

Serbia, where Woodstock was held.

Hahahahahahaha, you know what happens when you go to miodrag.org?

Some dude's page pops up and the second link? 'Cheeze'!!! It's close enough to amuse...

To be fair, sausage and cheese is a classic mix. Besides, Germany never invaded poland. They were on vacation. There was a party. Punch was served. Ask poland!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2018182565

:)

You seem like a person who could get into disco fries.

Make regular cheese fries (I use mild cheddar) and then pour turkey gravy over the top. A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.
Hmmm, this goes on the weed menu...

Yeah, cheese shredder

-- similar in shape to the implement the Anglo-Saxon thieves who stole Native Americans' land skinned rebellios First Nations leaders alive with.

No no no. Calling it that is pure ignorance.

This: http://www.beadedthings.com/files/cheese_slicer500_1_.jpg

is a cheese SLICER. Not a shredder.

Given the name 'Miodrag' - one would assume, if assuming is what we're allowing here, that the OP is Serbian.

Serbia, where Woodstock was held.

I'm 90% sure that the OP is French Canadian. Don't ask me how I know.

Seriosly, Barri (cutting your nick in half, as you did with mine), I have NO problem.

It is, however, quite disappointing to see that no Yank on this forum is able to debate the shameful points of their country's history without getting inflamatory, offensive, highly personal etc. while keeping their idiotic patronising attitude of mediocre pseudo-discussants whom I wouldn't even call goofs (as even that would be too flatterin a word).

Ah well... I guess they for the most part need a more seriously broken nose (metaphorically speaking -- I intend to hurt no one, but, thank Goddess, China, Russia, and more and more the EU as well won't tolerate a unipolar world dicatorship any longer).

It doesn't matter who beats the bully, as long as the bully is beaten. If the next guy is a bully too, we'll justr have to re-organise...
No, we won't discuss with someone who creates an OP that is intellectually dishonest. Not our fault the OP introduced the concept of cheese. LG just made it official.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2018182565

:)
I <3 you :)

Seriosly, Barri (cutting your nick in half, as you did with mine), I have NO problem.

It is, however, quite disappointing to see that no Yank on this forum is able to debate the shameful points of their country's history without getting inflamatory, offensive, highly personal etc. while keeping their idiotic patronising attitude of mediocre pseudo-discussants whom I wouldn't even call goofs (as even that would be too flatterin a word).

Ah well... I guess they for the most part need a more seriously broken nose (metaphorically speaking -- I intend to hurt no one, but, thank Goddess, China, Russia, and more and more the EU as well won't tolerate a unipolar world dicatorship any longer).

It doesn't matter who beats the bully, as long as the bully is beaten. If the next guy is a bully too, we'll justr have to re-organise...
OOOooooh, I see. You don't know what debate is.

You see, a debate means that someone comes up with an arguable premise or thesis and invites an arguable counter premise or antithesis, and then a discussion insues over the merits of each proposal. A debate doesn't form over, "Bad things happened!!!!" Yes, we all know bad things happened, that's not a point or argument, it's an observation.

Hmmm, this goes on the weed menu...

It's kinda the New England adaptation of Canada's Poutine. We don't have such regular access to cheese curds, so we use full out cheese

Given the name 'Miodrag' - one would assume, if assuming is what we're allowing here, that the OP is Serbian.

Serbia, where Woodstock was held.

I'm 90% sure that the OP is French Canadian. Don't ask me how I know.

I did say I had three citizenships. Let's see who's next for the bashing by the Yanks unable to face the atrocities of their forefathers today.

Or perhaps I'm neither Serbian nor French Canadian? That would allow for another 3 countries for the Yanks to hate... Hmmm... How was it -- not "French fries" but "Freedom shitballs"?

Americas Motto: Give us your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to eat cheese.

It's kinda the New England adaptation of Canada's Poutine. We don't have such regular access to cheese curds, so we use full out cheese

I ate, for whatever reason, A&W yesterday and they had a menu item called 'Cheese Curds,' but it was basically cheese sticks in ball form. It was unappealing...which as we all know is hard to do with cheese....

OOOooooh, I see. You don't know what debate is.

You see, a debate means that someone comes up with an arguable premise or thesis and invites an arguable counter premise or antithesis, and then a discussion insues over the merits of each proposal. A debate doesn't form over, "Bad things happened!!!!" Yes, we all know bad things happened, that's not a point or argument, it's an observation.

On the subject of debate:

CHeese hybrids(Colbyjack, Cheddarella, etc.) Good or bad?

On the subject of debate:

CHeese hybrids(Colbyjack, Cheddarella, etc.) Good or bad?

I try colby jack now and then thinking, "Of course this would be good, right? I mean it's basically cheddar and montery jack, what's not to love? But I always am left disappointed. And yet brie blends? A little slice of heaven.

I did say I had three citizenships. Let's see who's next for the bashing by the Yanks unable to face the atrocities of their forefathers today.

Or perhaps I'm neither Serbian nor French Canadian? That would allow for another 3 countries for the Yanks to hate... Hmmm... How was it -- not "French fries" but "Freedom shitballs"?

That wasn't even interesting, let alone insulting.

Seriously, try harder. This is getting a little boring and I have eyeballs to collect.

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.

I ate, for whatever reason, A&W yesterday and they had a menu item called 'Cheese Curds,' but it was basically cheese sticks in ball form. It was unappealing...which as we all know is hard to do with cheese....
I've had real cheese curds before...they're strange...kinda the consistancy of fresh mozzerella. The ones I had were jalepeno. Delicious.
On the subject of debate:

CHeese hybrids(Colbyjack, Cheddarella, etc.) Good or bad?

I look at it like a polycotton blend. Accentuates the good and minimizes the weakness of each cheese.

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.

If someone in a forest falls on their head, and there is no one around to hear it - does it still make them hard to understand?

On the subject of debate:

CHeese hybrids(Colbyjack, Cheddarella, etc.) Good or bad?

I'm actually quite fond of Cheddarella, to be honest.

I'm actually quite fond of Cheddarella, to be honest.

Yeah, but at midnight it just turns back into American cheese slices, so you gotta eat it quick or your running around seeing if the bread fits to find it again...

I look at it like a polycotton blend. Accentuates the good and minimizes the weakness of each cheese.

So - hybrid cheese-artifacts are an abomination in the eyes of god?

Yay! Bring them on!

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.

That doesn't even make sense. I'm guessing English isn't your first language, but if it is, may the lord FSM help you.

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.

Dude. It's time to lay off the Jenkem. It's really messed you up.

So - hybrid cheese-artifacts are an abomination in the eyes of god?

Yay! Bring them on!

YAY ABOMINATION IN THE EYES OF AN ANGRY GOD!

Yeah, but at midnight it just turns back into American cheese slices, so you gotta eat it quick or your running around seeing if the bread fits to find it again...

Goal! :)

Miodrag Superior, in case you haven't noticed, the Generalites are giving you The Treatment.

Nor have I interfered in any modly way, because the players are dealing with it themselves.

I can't help but feel that you, with the theatrically superior stance you have adopted in most of your posts, brought it on yourself. (Even if, as I suspect, your intent is satiric.)

But now seems a good time to put my oar in.

Barringtonia has responded (relatively) seriously to your original post.

Please reply to him relatively seriously, without denigrating anyone's intellectual abilities. Concentrate on the post, not the poster.

If you can't, please reconsider your stance. You've been borderline flaming in a number of posts.

Everyone else, please hold the cheese meme for a bit. You've had 30-odd pages of fun with it. Enuff, awready, or I shall Lock your cheese in the cupboard.

Miodrag Superior, in case you haven't noticed, the Generalites are giving you The Treatment.

Nor have I interfered in any modly way, because the players are dealing with it themselves.

I can't help but feel that you, with the theatrically superior stance you have adopted in most of your posts, brought it on yourself. (Even if, as I suspect, your intent is satiric.)

But now seems a good time to put my oar in.

Barringtonia has responded (relatively) seriously to your original post.

Please reply to him relatively seriously, without denigrating anyone's intellectual abilities. Concentrate on the post, not the poster.

If you can't, please reconsider your stance. You've been borderline flaming in a number of posts.

Everyone else, please hold the cheese meme for a bit. You've had 30-odd pages of fun with it. Enuff, awready, or I shall Lock your cheese in the cupboard.

Sorry, Dad. :(

Will do, oh modly one.

I repeat, this whole cheese thing feels wrong for me having popped into it so late to the game. I'll refrain from making the comparison I made earlier. :p

Was it necessary to slaughter those children at Waco?

Perhaps David Koresh overstepped his First amendment rights -- though it is debatable. But THE CHILDREN??? Why did the government of the United Statelets murder them?

As for Guantanamo, it is outrageous. Most of us in Europe would never do anything like that any more. True, we had concentration camps like Guantanamo in the 1940s (Dachau, Mauthausen)* but we've matured since.

Washington D.C. took the same stand towards Firts Nations in the second half of the 19th century (with concentartion camps known as "reserves"/"reservations") as it takes today towards "enemy combatants".

The worst part of it all was not those naked Arab men in the Middle East tortured by that Yank woman and Yank man who were getting pre-sex excitement out of torturing the prisoners (forbidden by Geneva Convention).

No, the worst part was when the Yank Justice Dept loudspeaker (aka "spokesperson") said that Gitmo fell under the jurisdiction of the Cuban Supreme Court and all complaints should be addressed there.

Abhorrent level of hypocrisy.

* Auschwitz in the 1940s was worse than Guantanamo is today. Dachau and Mauthausen were about the same.

All your other nonsense has been responded to and I'm not going to even acknowledge further your comparison of Waco and Gitmo to Dachau.

I do ask however what your source is for the last, bolded assertion. I'm rather sure no such thing ever happened -- and I am the last one to defend this administration and its conduct.

Miodrag Superior, in case you haven't noticed, the Generalites are giving you The Treatment.

Nor have I interfered in any modly way, because the players are dealing with it themselves.

I can't help but feel that you, with the theatrically superior stance you have adopted in most of your posts, brought it on yourself. (Even if, as I suspect, your intent is satiric.)

But now seems a good time to put my oar in.

Barringtonia has responded (relatively) seriously to your original post.

Please reply to him relatively seriously, without denigrating anyone's intellectual abilities. Concentrate on the post, not the poster.

If you can't, please reconsider your stance. You've been borderline flaming in a number of posts.

Everyone else, please hold the cheese meme for a bit. You've had 30-odd pages of fun with it. Enuff, awready, or I shall Lock your cheese in the cupboard.

*is properly cheestised*

I'll be good. *nod*

Just for the uncouth, uneducated, illiterate "wretched refuse"

(a crash course in English)

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.If someone in a forest falls on their head, and there is no one around to hear it - does it still make them hard to understand?

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.That doesn't even make sense. I'm guessing English isn't your first language, but if it is, may the lord FSM help you.

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.Dude. It's time to lay off the Jenkem. It's really messed you up.

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impotent was found in the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary at the entries listed below.

1. impotent (LACKING POWER)
2. impotent (SEXUAL PROBLEM)

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?searchword=impotent&x=0&y=0

Definition

impotent (LACKING POWER) Show phonetics
adjective
lacking the power or ability to change or improve a situation:
You feel so impotent when your child is ill and you cannot help them.

impotence Show phonetics
noun [U]
political impotence
a sense of impotence

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=39477&dict=CALD

And just for doubly-debilitated by being both uncouth, uneducated, and illiterate -- AND moreover Yank, a non-Limey, but Yank dictionary:

impotent
One entry found.

impotent

Main Entry:
im·po·tent Pronunciation: \im-pə-tənt\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French & Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin impotent-, impotens, from in- + potent-, potens potent
Date:
14th century

1 a: not potent : lacking in power, strength, or vigor : helpless
b: unable to engage in sexual intercourse because of inability to have and maintain an erection; broadly : sterile2obsolete : incapable of self-restraint : ungovernable

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/impotent

impotence
One entry found.

impotence

Main Entry:
im·po·tence Pronunciation: \im-pə-tən(t)s\
Function: noun
Date: 15th century

: the quality or state of being impotent

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/impotence

[QUOTE=Miodrag Superior;13192436]Just for the uncouth, uneducated, illiterate "wretched refuse"

(a crash course in English)
*SNIP*

what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?

We are not amused by your impotence (sic!) to be human either.

Just for the uncouth, uneducated, illiterate "wretched refuse"

(a crash course in English)============================================



http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?searchword=impotent&x=0&y=0

And just for doubly-debilitated by being both uncouth, uneducated, and illiterate -- AND moreover Yank, a non-Limey, but Yank dictionary:

Um. Are you under the impression that any of those dictionary definitions helps make sense of your wretched sentence? Good luck with that.

In the meantime, perhaps you could stop flaming and address some substance.

Oh, just that Taiwan should be incorporated into its Chinese motherland, according to the "One China policy" which the United Statelets of a Belt Between Canada and Mejico ALSO publicly endorse.

The cost of Tea in China is directly proportional to the number of corn kernals in a pot of New England Clam Chowder, multiplied by 42.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l255/rtpayton17/bunny-pancake.gif

Oh, just that Taiwan should be incorporated into its Chinese motherland, according to the "One China policy" which the United Statelets of a Belt Between Canada and Mejico ALSO publicly endorse.

Okay...this thread is about the Branch Davidians and Guantanamo. NOT Taiwan. Say something relevant to YOUR CHOSEN TOPIC or go away.

*flameyspam*


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13192420&postcount=486

Guantanamo a concentration camp? Are the inmates being gassed, burned, and being put in slave labor? Or are their bodies being used for grotesque "scientific" experiments? Are they being starved, beat, and forced into hard, sometimes fatal, labor? They have to have a steenking WINDOW in their cells! Are they suffering from Scurvy, malnutrition, or Gangrene? Maybe you need to do some brushing up on history before you think your concentration camps were better to or even equal to Guantanamo. :headbang:

Miodrag Superior, in case you haven't noticed, the Generalites are giving you The Treatment.

I have just noticed a bunch of hypocrites unable to communicate in any coherent or civilised way. As for the "treatment", I do not feel treated in any way. It was rather as I expected: typical Yank patronising idiocies all over. Yes, there was an odd reply that had vaguely a twinkle of reason in the muddy gloom, but that faded away quickly, because the moderators did not do their job.

And -- in case you haven't noticed -- the fact that it was you yourself who, as you admit, failed to interfere and stop those idiocies when the topic was the murder of children by the government of the United Statelets of a Blet Between Canada and Mejico (Manaics United), even though you were aware of them, makes you totally unfit to be a moderator of anything.