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I assume you're that guy that's sitting behind in the classroom. The one no teacher ever liked. The one with the low grades. The one nobody liked.

Yeah, the one behind in the classroom

Isn't?

At least you're too lazy to read even the first initial posting. The one that is answering the question in the title…

Before you take part of any discussion, you should inform yourself a little.

You didn’t. You just saw a bash festival and your lower grouping instinct is taking over…

Source:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13175951&postcount=1

Look at the 1 behind.

...


First, your response is just devolving back into being insulting. You could well have made your point without calling the poster in question names... but you seem constitutionally unable to do so (as witnessed by your own repeated complaint about being banned for calling a poster a cockroach).

Second, you quoted my well thought out post, but edited it down to "..." and made no comment. What is the point of that? Why bother if you have nothing to add?

You're wrong.

I'll quote from the same source:


There is no single criminal offence of racist crime or religious crime. There are a number of different offences where we have to prove a racial or religious element before the accused person can be found guilty. An example of this is racist chanting at a football match.

Apart from the offences where we have to be able to prove a racial or religious element, the criminal courts have a duty to treat any offence as being more serious where there is evidence that the accused person demonstrated hostility, or was motivated by hostility towards the victim because of the victim's membership of a racial or religious group.

Racial group- this is a legal definition and means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin. This could include travellers, refugees, or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of racial group.

The offence of racialist chanting is committed when a person or group of people repeatedly utter words or sounds of a racialist nature at a designated football match - defined as a match between teams from the Premier League, the Football League or the Conference League. Racialist means the same as racist.

If convicted, a person can be fined and, additionally, banned from attending football matches both in this country and abroad.

Factually incorrect, as demonstrated by Gravlen

You're wrong.
No, I'm pretty sure I'm not.

I'll quote from the same source:


There is no single criminal offence of racist crime or religious crime. There are a number of different offences where we have to prove a racial or religious element before the accused person can be found guilty. An example of this is racist chanting at a football match.

Apart from the offences where we have to be able to prove a racial or religious element, the criminal courts have a duty to treat any offence as being more serious where there is evidence that the accused person demonstrated hostility, or was motivated by hostility towards the victim because of the victim's membership of a racial or religious group.

Racial group- this is a legal definition and means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin. This could include travellers, refugees, or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of racial group.
None of this equates to racism being illegal.

The offence of racialist chanting is committed when a person or group of people repeatedly utter words or sounds of a racialist nature at a designated football match - defined as a match between teams from the Premier League, the Football League or the Conference League. Racialist means the same as racist.

If convicted, a person can be fined and, additionally, banned from attending football matches both in this country and abroad.
I think you'll find that we're not at a football match.

I think you'll find that we're not at a football match.

We're not.:confused:

*scrubs off body paint*

*puts clothes back on*


People could have told me this earlier.:mad:

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

Is this really racist or an opinion of a racial characteristic? Let's start by breaking down the entire text and analysing the meaning.

Are Jews smarter than everyone else?

Here we have an opening question, it sets the framework for the post, and it in itself is a valid question.

They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse.

While the first part may be an embellishment of facts, this statement does not say that Jews are superior in anyway, and it does go on to name some prominent Jews in history, which is a good way of enforcing the message or answering the opening question. I also find the last part of this statement interesting. I am amused at how the poster includes, "for better or worse", meaning that the individuals may not have made great contributions or they may not have all been viewed kindly in history but still contributed to history.

I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community.

The opening phrase is key here. "I say" denotes that this is an opinion and NOT fact. This is something that has gone amiss in the debate when certain individuals took this post entirely out of context. This person is expressing an opinion, but not once in it has the person actually said that Jews are superior, but rather suggested that it is a combination of factors that make it appear like they may be more intelligent. Something that can be attributed to skewed stats because of the high rate of success versus a lower world wide population.

Thoughts?

A good closing statement. It opens up the way for debate. The person has shown us his opinion, provided his reasons for why and has allowed for others to agree, disagree and discuss the topic based on his question and answer.

Is this racist? No.

Why? He never stated in it that Jews are superior or that other people are always stupider than Jews. The suggestion from this is that Jews may be smarter than some people and due to certain conditions. This can also mean that Jews are smarter than other Jews.

Anyone else care to take a whack at this?

Is my analysis off?

No, I'm pretty sure I'm not.


None of this equates to racism being illegal.


I think you'll find that we're not at a football match.


Ah, you can't do racism in the stadium, but in the grocery store? :p

Come one, iFreann...

You know they are as guilty as hell. Racism is racism.

Some are afraid, wondering if it would collapse the whole system.

Some think I will not do it or the complaint will not be valid.

I know already what will happen.

In a few days someone from Jolt will receive a mail to remove that (and other) racist postings.

And Jolt will do it.

That's it and the case will be closed. Oh and next times, the mods will remove racist posting a little faster. :)

Racism is illegal in UK.
Alright then. Prove it.

You're wrong.

I'll quote from the same source:
Yes and? Your point?

If you allude to the Football offences Act of 1991, you should notice one small thing, bolded by me:

Indecent or racialist chanting

(1) It is an offence to take part at a designated football match in chanting of an indecent or racialist nature.

(2) For this purpose—

(a) “chanting” means the repeated uttering of any words or sounds in concert with one or more others; and

(b) “of a racialist nature” means consisting of or including matter which is threatening, abusive or insulting to a person by reason of his colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.
Football offences Act of 1991 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991/Ukpga_19910019_en_1.htm)

Note that it was ammended in 1999 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1999/19990021.htm).

You're wrong.

I'll quote from the same source:

There is no single criminal offence of racist crime or religious crime. There are a number of different offences where we have to prove a racial or religious element before the accused person can be found guilty. An example of this is racist chanting at a football match.

Apart from the offences where we have to be able to prove a racial or religious element, the criminal courts have a duty to treat any offence as being more serious where there is evidence that the accused person demonstrated hostility, or was motivated by hostility towards the victim because of the victim's membership of a racial or religious group.

Racial group- this is a legal definition and means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin. This could include travellers, refugees, or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of racial group.

The offence of racialist chanting is committed when a person or group of people repeatedly utter words or sounds of a racialist nature at a designated football match - defined as a match between teams from the Premier League, the Football League or the Conference League. Racialist means the same as racist.

If convicted, a person can be fined and, additionally, banned from attending football matches both in this country and abroad.

Racist CHANTING at a FOOTBALL GAME, where the chanting of anything is designed to both rile the crowd to chant along and to incite them to do something about it is an ACTION THAT IS MEANT TO PROMOTE RACIAL VIOLENCE.

The discussion that runs through this thread is a discussion, not a call to action, nor a suggestion that there should be any action, merely the intellectual dissection of an idea that may or may not have merit. There is absolutely no indication of hostility towards anyone, nor the hint that discrimination is required, merely a question as to whether there is a genetic link between intelligence and race. Many differing points of view have been aired. Many people have refuted the OP in ways that are valid and supported, but NO ONE IS GOING OUT TO POUND ON A JEWISH PERSON BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD.

Do you see the difference?

.... NO ONE IS GOING OUT TO POUND ON A JEWISH PERSON BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD....

It's a matter of *ahem* interpretation... ;) ;) ;)

Ah, you can't do racism in the stadium, but in the grocery store? :p
According to the the quote you provided, yes. Racist chants during football matches are illegal. Racism is not.

You know they are as guilty as hell. Racism is racism.
But racism is not a crime, so they aren't guilty. Further, I've never seen the mods post anything racist, so even if it was they're still not guilty.

Some are afraid, wondering if it would collapse the whole system.
Nobody think you'll achive anything except amusing us all.

Some think I will not do it or the complaint will not be valid.
No, we know it for a fact.

I know already what will happen.

In a few days someone from Jolt will receive a mail to remove that (and other) racist postings.
And since they have no legal obligation to do so, they won't bother.

And Jolt will do it.
No, they won't.

That's it and the case will be closed.
The case was closed when the mods decided not to lock this thread. Everyone realises that except you.
Oh and next times, the mods will remove racist posting a little faster. :)

They'll only remove racist posts if they break the rules in some way, just like always.

Do you see the difference?

Yes.

Do you see what's similar?

Ah, you can't do racism in the stadium, but in the grocery store? :p
You can't chant ("chanting" defined as as the repeated uttering of any words or sounds in concert with one or more others) racialist (Defined as consisting of or including matter which is threatening, abusive or insulting to a person by reason of his colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.) at a football match. Why not? Because that's an exception to the rule.
How do we know? Because there's an specific act, the Football Offences Act, that penalizes it.
Can that be interpreted to also regulate the situation in the grocery store? No.


Racism is racism.
You have yet to prove that it is illegal - outside of chanting during football matches...

Yes.

Do you see what's similar?

The similarities are obvious. They're both fueled by racism. The differences, the chanting is illegal, the post here is not.

Africans usually refers to black (sub-Saharan Africans) who born anywhere on earth seem to rise to great athletic achievements.

Asians, in the American useage - that's the usual suspects plus Mongolia. And it will be interesting to see the performance of Asian Indians and Southeast Asians.

Here is a thought experiment to put it into perspective. Let's say two people are shooting basketball free throws, one shoots 90% and one shoots 80%. Can we say who is the better free throw shooter?

Two races could be compared like that too - who produces more athletes and geniuses and so forth? Can any race produce as many geniuses per capita as the Jews?

Statistical probability is the important thing, from which we can make predictions and valid generalizations.

wtf Jews as a race (not a type of people that follow a religion??) are from all over the world unless at some point in the past theyve evolved to grow a better brain than the rest of the world it would just mean they put more effort into learning - WHAT A STUPID FRIGGIN THREAD MADE JUST TO CAUSE STUPID RASICT POSTS!
As for sub saharan africans being better atheletes the only way that is possible is if during there time evolving theyve developed better lungs or something ... so that makes 'Steve Redgrave' (UK rowing team) a sub Saharan African???
Hes white and from the UK ... one of the reasons hes done so well in the rowing competitions is because (iirc) he has a bigger set of lungs on him that alot of people (or something do do with his lungs)


and if your basing this whole arguement on where people came from your a believer in genes etc in which case you know mankind as a race all came from africa

You might find people from certain areas have developed slightly different (polution etc could have made non africans gentically unhealthier over time) but JEWS??? wtf its a religion spread out all over the world
Thats like asking .... are all christians more evil than other people from another country because they used to burn people at the stake or

I hate spending money. I am pursuing a graduate degree in the sciences. I find a warm mug of christian children's blood to be a pleasant and refreshing treat, especially served with scones on a cool autumn evening. I have a modestly large nose.

I am catholic by birth, but jewish by upbringing, and I think that my upbringing has more of an effect on who I am than do my genes. Well, except for the nose part.

Bear in mind, I do not purport to represent a typical or statistically average jew.

Hopefully, something will soon sink in:


Racism - simply believing that someone is inferior or superior due to race etc, is legal.
Some acts motivated by racism are illegal - these acts include inciting hatred, inciting violence, discrimination, and chanting at football matches.


See? There's two parts that are required. An (usually) illegal act (though you find examples where the act is indecent or immoral or something like that), and racism as a motivator behind that act.

Ah, you can't do racism in the stadium, but in the grocery store? :p

No, chanting racist slogans in a grocery store, with the attempt to incite other shoppers to racial violence would also be wrong.

Come one, iFreann...


I believe that not only did Ifreann correct you (capital I small f) but you also quoted that same post. But if you missed it, it is Ifreann, not iFreann.

You know they are as guilty as hell. Racism is racism.
People who incite racial violence are guilty. People who discuss racist ideas are not.

Some are afraid, wondering if it would collapse the whole system.
Some think I will not do it or the complaint will not be valid.
I know already what will happen.
In a few days someone from Jolt will receive a mail to remove that (and other) racist postings.
And Jolt will do it.

That's it and the case will be closed. Oh and next times, the mods will remove racist posting a little faster. :)

If there is anyone here is afraid, or who thinks that any of this is what will actually happen, I would be interested to know who they are. It seems pretty clear, however, that all of us are solid in the certainty that your complaint will be ignored (or at most you may receive a polite "This is not something we are concerned with" response) by the agencies you have referenced. Jolt will never hear from them, but would, if it were mentioned to them, have the same "sorry but no" response. Nothing will be removed as a result of this complaint. The system will not collapse, the system will not even notice. The case was, for all intents and purposes, closed before it even opened, and the mods will continue to do the fine work they do, in the same manner in which they have always done.

Oh, and we will all have had a good chuckle.

Yes.

Do you see what's similar?

They are both of an unpleasant nature. That is all that is similar, however.

Ashkenazy Jews in particular have always scored very high (>1 standard deviation IIRC) on IQ tests, but you always need to be very careful with IQ tests- the same facile assumption that gets you from "Ashkenazy Jews score high on IQ tests" to "Ashkenazy Jews are genetically smarter" also gets you from "American blacks score low on IQ tests" to "American blacks are genetically dumber." And that's a connection that, while trumpeted by plenty of racist "intelligence experts" like that guy who wrote The Bell Curve, is not believed by most psychological experts (or most people in the general population). There's an interesting APA report with some commentary to that effect, published in 1996 (I think).

If we're going to be skeptical about the connection between IQ scores and intelligence for comparing black people to white people, we should also be skeptical about it when comparing Jews to non-Jews.

Ashkenazy Jews in particular have always scored very high (>1 standard deviation IIRC) on IQ tests, but you always need to be very careful with IQ tests- the same facile assumption that gets you from "Ashkenazy Jews score high on IQ tests" to "Ashkenazy Jews are genetically smarter" also gets you from "American blacks score low on IQ tests" to "American blacks are genetically dumber." And that's a connection that, while trumpeted by plenty of racist "intelligence experts" like that guy who wrote The Bell Curve, is not believed by most psychological experts (or most people in the general population). There's an interesting APA report with some commentary to that effect, published in 1996 (I think).

If we're going to be skeptical about the connection between IQ scores and intelligence for comparing black people to white people, we should also be skeptical about it when comparing Jews to non-Jews.

And since the tests have been proven to be culturally biased, the connection is even more tenuous.

Edwinasia, are you a subject of the UK? If not, then I honestly don't think you know what you're on about in this case.

Ashkenazy Jews in particular have always scored very high (>1 standard deviation IIRC) on IQ tests, but you always need to be very careful with IQ tests- the same facile assumption that gets you from "Ashkenazy Jews score high on IQ tests" to "Ashkenazy Jews are genetically smarter" also gets you from "American blacks score low on IQ tests" to "American blacks are genetically dumber." And that's a connection that, while trumpeted by plenty of racist "intelligence experts" like that guy who wrote The Bell Curve, is not believed by most psychological experts (or most people in the general population). There's an interesting APA report with some commentary to that effect, published in 1996 (I think).

If we're going to be skeptical about the connection between IQ scores and intelligence for comparing black people to white people, we should also be skeptical about it when comparing Jews to non-Jews.

That's for a start indeed.

The OP stated that most chess world championship were Jewish.

That's was partly his evidence for the Jewish smartness.

Now, being a good chess player doesn't make you smart. They are good chess players and maybe something else but not necessarily smart. Many excellent chess players are just jerks due low social contacts. So their emotional intelligence is in general low…

Now, I did some investigation, 'cause I was curious if really that many Jewish people reached the world championship title. (and I posted my findings in this thread)

So I went to a few (Jewish) sites claiming all those champions...

Most are using the same list (copy/paste each other list?)...

But what was interesting about the list is that more than 50% was not Jewish at all. Most of them some far family member was Jewish, but that doesn't make one Jewish as well.

Still, I have to admit many Jewish people were chess champion. But that’s partly cause the copycat syndrome.

People who incite racial violence are guilty. People who discuss racist ideas are not.

As some people are a bit... slow, allow me to quote this again. It's worth repeating.

Edwinasia, are you a subject of the UK? If not, then I honestly don't think you know what you're on about in this case.

No, you're wrong. Why do you *think* like that?

Why o why?

But what was interesting about the list is that more than 50% was not Jewish at all. Most of them some far family member was Jewish, but that doesn't make one Jewish as well.

More than 50% were not of a religion that makes up 5% of the world?

Why o why?

Oh why oh? Why did I ever leave Ohio?

http://www.broadway.com/gen/Buzz_Video.aspx?ci=501490





As an entirely unrelated side note (not that this post relates anyway), Jim Clow (who appears in the clip) is an old college chum of mine. You go Jim!

Hmm so on one hand we have folks claiming that Jews are inherently smarter (superior).

On the other hand we have folks claiming that Jews are inherently dumber (inferior).

Now it may or may not be racism, depending as usual on how you define race and racism, but it certainly sounds like the same bigotry pissing contest to me.

Hmm so on one hand we have folks claiming that Jews are inherently smarter (superior).

On the other hand we have folks claiming that Jews are inherently dumber (inferior).

Now it may or may not be racism, depending as usual on how you define race and racism, but it certainly sounds like the same bigotry pissing contest to me.

They are not smarter or dumber. Not one race is smarter as the other.

People that claim such things are in general the dumbiest beings around.

They are not smarter or dumber. Not one race is smarter as the other.

People that claim such things are in general the dumbiest beings around.

:eek: people who think that a whole group of people are dumb are dumb?

also, dumbiest? *steals*

:eek: people who think that a whole group of people are dumb are dumb?

also, dumbiest? *steals*

Indeed.

It's the jew gene, obviously

Indeed.

And they often miss irony when it is aimed at them. :p

Edwinasia, are you a subject of the UK? If not, then I honestly don't think you know what you're on about in this case.

As a matter of fact, I can enter my complaint without leaving a name...

As a matter of fact, I can enter my complaint without leaving a name...

Which is fine, but not an answer to the question that was asked.

Also, if you don't leave your name, how will you ever know what their reaction might be, since we will never see any results HERE about it, and the only possible thing that might happen is they might send you a reply (which, of course, we all hope you would repost here).

As a matter of fact, I can enter my complaint without leaving a name...
That's great! Saves you from further embarrassment.

... not that you would mind, it seems...

we have folks claiming that Jews are inherently dumber (inferior).a Quote is called for.

That's great! Saves you from further embarrassment.

... not that you would mind, it seems...

I'll use your name. :)

Which is fine, but not an answer to the question that was asked.

Also, if you don't leave your name, how will you ever know what their reaction might be, since we will never see any results HERE about it, and the only possible thing that might happen is they might send you a reply (which, of course, we all hope you would repost here).

Maybe, you'll never enter this board one minute again. :)

No, I expect that they well send a mail to Jolt asking to remove the racist postings. And Jolt will do. Case closed.

Maybe, you'll never enter this board one minute again. :)

No, I expect that they well send a mail to Jolt asking to remove the racist postings. And Jolt will do. Case closed.
So you accept my bet, then?

You need money that hard Bottle?

I'll send you $50 if you really want to. Without any bet.
I'll take that as you accepting the bet, then! Terrific.

Okay, so if the forum isn't shut down as a result of your complaints, you'll send me $5000. If it is, I'll send you $5000.

/shake

If you don't want to accept the bet, you should reply and specifically say so. If you don't reply, I'll assume you do accept. Thanks in advance!

So you accept my bet, then?

You need money that hard Bottle?

I'll send you $50 if you really want to. Without any bet.

I'll promise that I will publish their reply.

Oh oh wait a minute.

No No NO :)

I never bet.

And also I'm not out to shut down the joint.

The removal of the racist postings will do....
Oh, so you were just lying when you said you were going to shut this place down. How disappointing. Lies are boring.

But just to be sporting, we can amend the bet. If this forum is forced to remove any racist posts or content as a result of your complaints, I mail you the money. If it's not, you mail me money.

Put your money where your mouth is. If you're so certain, then it's not gambling in the first place...it's just a sure thing for you!

I'll take that as you accepting the bet, then! Terrific.

Okay, so if the forum isn't shut down as a result of your complaints, you'll send me $5000. If it is, I'll send you $5000.

/shake


Oh oh wait a minute.

No No NO :)

I never bet.

And also I'm not out to shut down the joint.

The removal of the racist postings will do....

I'll promise that I will publish their reply.

Just make sure you tell them which laws have been broken.

Oh wait...

:p

I'll take that as you accepting the bet, then! Terrific.

Okay, so if the forum isn't shut down as a result of your complaints,....No you dont.

WTF is that you guys are doing that may shut down NSG..
better be a joke. :mad:

Just make sure you tell them which laws have been broken.

Oh wait...

:p

Gravlen....

You are such a..........ah no.......


We'll see later, isn't boy ? :)

No you dont.

WTF is that you guys are doing that may shut down NSG..
better be a joke. :mad:
No. It can't.

Gravlen....

You are such a..........ah no.......


We'll see later, isn't boy ? :)

I'm a what? "Poster who can back up statements"? Yes, I am, sadly. I admit it. It's a curse, and a true cross I have to bear.

You're lucky, you seem to be free of that affliction, and are able to just throw caution to the wind and deliver random statements without any references, links, proof or evidence. Ah, those were the days...

No. It can't...ok.. good.

*goes back to DEFCON5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON)* :cool:

Life is a bitch Gravlen, life is a bitch.


No. It can't.



I'm a what? "Poster who can back up statements"? Yes, I am, sadly. I admit it. It's a curse, and a true cross I have to bear.

You're lucky, you seem to be free of that affliction, and are able to just throw caution to the wind and deliver random statements without any references, links, proof or evidence. Ah, those were the days...

Oh, so you were just lying when you said you were going to shut this place down. How disappointing. Lies are boring.

But just to be sporting, we can amend the bet. If this forum is forced to remove any racist posts or content as a result of your complaints, I mail you the money. If it's not, you mail me money.

Put your money where your mouth is. If you're so certain, then it's not gambling in the first place...it's just a sure thing for you!

Eh lying?

Show me where I promised to burn down the joint?

I said that I expect that they will send a mail to Jolt to remove the racist postings and that's it.

You still need those $50 ?

I said that I expect that they will send a mail to Jolt to remove the racist postings and that's it.

And if they don't, you'll send me $5000. That's the bet.

And if they don't, you'll send me $5000. That's the bet.

Bottle,

I am rather sure that this will happen, I informed myself and I already did what's necessary.

Now, why do you think it's legal to distribute racist messages on a UK server?

UK is not USA. It's a different animal.

Bottle,

I am rather sure that this will happen, I informed myself and I already did what's necessary.

Now, why do you think it's legal to distribute racist messages on a UK server?

UK is not USA. It's a different animal.
But people have shown you through quoting from the bleedin' Home Office that what you're saying isn't true!

Bottle,

I am rather sure that this will happen, I informed myself and I already did what's necessary.

And that's why you accept the bet. I know. We've been over this.


Now, why do you think it's legal to distribute racist messages on a UK server?

Because I belong to a special, exclusive club called Reality.

Well of course they'll seem smarter if you only list the most brilliant minds of any religion. Jewish people are no more inteligent than anyone else.

The entire human race is stupid as hell anyway

Eh lying?

Show me where I promised to burn down the joint?

I said that I expect that they will send a mail to Jolt to remove the racist postings and that's it.And if they don't, you'll send me $5000. That's the bet.are you guys trying to ruin my supper?

But people have shown you through quoting from the bleedin' Home Office that what you're saying isn't true!

So?

They also said I can't fill in a complaint 'cause I'm not British, while you can do it without leaving a name. They even strictly mention that you can be from abroad.

They also said it isn't dealing websites, while you just can leave a URL.

Don't believe what people think. :)

And that's why you accept the bet. I know. We've been over this.


Because I belong to a special, exclusive club called Reality.

Reality eh?

Bring me some beer! Now! You have 30 seconds.

Well of course they'll seem smarter if you only list the most brilliant minds of any religion. Jewish people are no more inteligent than anyone else.

The entire human race is stupid as hell anyway

I'm wondering who you are.

I know it's not your first time being here.

Why being so a coward? :)

are you guys trying to ruin my supper?

Ocean...

Would it be that hard when racists posts are deleted?

they’re trying to make it your Last Supper...
They’re trying desperately to understand what the bloody hell Edwinasia is on about...

are you guys trying to ruin my supper?they're trying to make it your Last Supper...

Because I belong to a special, exclusive club called Reality.right now you -both- belong to a very exclusive club called "childish"..

most of the time I dont care.. but this time, you are repeatedly challenging/taunting him to complain against NSG for racism. (if I understand correctly)

I dont care if the complain does not close down NSG.. I rather there is no complain at all.

I would like to add the inherent stupidity of branding one race as better than the others. There is no definate evidence, or even evidence that can be interpreted as, support for Jew's being genetically superior in a way that enhances intelligence. Most Jews are pretty rich, or at least well off traders and merchantmen. It's been that way since the diaspora, due to the heavy restrictions on christian trading. This means that Jews usually tend to have higher education, meaning that they appear smarter. That doesn't make them genetically smarter. Quite a few people believe them to be inferior.

After all, was Bonaparte, Shakespear, Goethe, Galileo, Copernicus, Socrates, Caesar Augustus, Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Confusius, Mohammed, the Buddha, Thomas Edison, Montesquie, Rosseau, Adam Smith, FDR, Churchill, Lincoln, Bismark, Marco Polo, Fulton, Darwin, or any other of the great men of history, Jewish?

Outside of Freud, Marx, Jesus, and Einstein, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot

they're trying to make it your Last Supper...

I think that moderators should offer a Last Supper of our choice and on their expenses.

Even the folks at death row get this minimum service.

/me smells new headline...

DEATH ROW IS GIVING BETTER SERVICE AS NSG

What are you on about now?

Ocean...

Would it be that hard when racists posts are deleted?I dont care. either way.

You can settle all your complains inside the NSG system.
I dont see the need to send the complain outside of NSG. Specially if its just to satisfy Bottle.

I think that moderators should offer a Last Supper of our choice and on their expenses.

Even the folks at death row get this minimum service.

/me smells new headline...

DEATH ROW IS GIVING BETTER SERVICE AS NSG

That's a non-sequiter.

they're trying to make it your Last Supper...others have tried before.. ;)

I think that moderators should offer a Last Supper of our choice and on their expenses.will Violet be invited to my table?

Are Jews smarter than everyone else? They score all the Nobel Prizes, all the chess championships, etc. Einstein, Bohr, Freud, Marx, Engels... to name a few illustrious Jews of the past 200 years, for better or worse. I say this should be attributed to a combination of innate genetic tendency toward intelligence among Jews + environmental pressures toward high education in the Jewish community. Thoughts?

You're going to get ripped to pieces for saying this, and so will I for agreeing with you, because it's about two doors down from Social Darwinism, but I agree, and I think eventually science will too. Certain ethnic groups are better equipped evolutionarily (IN SPECIFIC AREAS, NOT IN GENERAL) than others. For instance, Africans are FAR, FAR less likely to get skin cancer than a skinny pasty white kid like me. Is that an evolutionary trait that they hold over someone like myself? Yes. Period. Does that prove they are "better" than me in the sense of deserving to be alive? No. Period. It's not Nazism, it's accepting genetics as science and not as some device used by crazed Germans lab techs with a grudge wearing brown.

others have tried before.. ;)

And it was down, due that child porn promotor, no?

Now, I would feel bad if they would close it down even for a week or something.

I know that many people could not miss it for a long time.

For me, deleting the racist lines will do.

For me, deleting the racist lines will do.

Which won't happen. Stop pretending to be daft, or at least come up with better material.

And it was down, due that child porn promotor, no?

Now, I would feel bad if they would close it down even for a week or something.

I know that many people could not miss it for a long time.

For me, deleting the racist lines will do.I agree with you, suggesting that a particular race superior to all the other races.. is racism. This thread is Racist.

but, censorship should be used in extreme situations only.
or when they -govs- force you to use it.

Life is a bitch Gravlen, life is a bitch.
Is that you're excuse? That's a lame one. You're getting to be boring. *Yawn*

Don't believe what people think. :)
And apparently, don't believe what the Home Office (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/hate-crime/) or The Crown Prosecution Service (http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/rrpbcrbook.html#Section1) says either, is that it?

That's why I keep asking you for link or evidence - since you don't have any credibility left...

right now you -both- belong to a very exclusive club called "childish"..

Pfft. That club lets anybody in.


most of the time I dont care.. but this time, you are repeatedly challenging/taunting him to complain against NSG for racism. (if I understand correctly)

Actually, no, I'm not taunting him to do so. I'm taunting him because he has decided to do so.

At any rate, I freely admit that at it's basically just gotten to the point where I'm poking him with a stick over and over for funzies. However, it has become dull, and even the perk of knowing that it's annoying you isn't enough to hold my interest.

I dont see the need to send the complain outside of NSG. Specially if its just to satisfy Bottle.
Wait, what now?

Look, I'm nigh-omnipotent and possess a genius the likes of which has never before been seen among mortal men, but even I can't claim responsibility for Edwinasia's Special Crusade.

... and even the perk of knowing that it's annoying you...You have no idea..

I dont recall to ever be so annoyed in a forum.

I've read the Race Relations Act (2003 Amended Version) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2003/20031626.htm) and the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060001.htm), and I can't find a law under which this thread's OP would be legitimately classified as an offense.

Anyone else want to give it a try? It's possible I missed something.

I've read the Race Relations Act (2003 Amended Version) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2003/20031626.htm) and the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060001.htm), and I can't find a law under which this thread's OP would be legitimately classified as an offense.

Anyone else want to give it a try? It's possible I missed something.
In all seriousness, I have been reading through the links that have been shared on this thread, and I have yet to encounter anything that would indicate there has been illegal activity on this site.

Being the curious nerd that I am, I actually did a couple of quick searches to see if any country, anywhere, had any laws that would prohibit racist discourse by individual posters on an internet forum. So far all I've learned is that the Chinese reserve the right to censor pretty much anything for any reason.

I've read the Race Relations Act (2003 Amended Version) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2003/20031626.htm) and the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060001.htm), and I can't find a law under which this thread's OP would be legitimately classified as an offense.

Anyone else want to give it a try? It's possible I missed something.I tried but my brains went 'tl;dr'.

I've read the Race Relations Act (2003 Amended Version) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2003/20031626.htm) and the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060001.htm), and I can't find a law under which this thread's OP would be legitimately classified as an offense.

Anyone else want to give it a try? It's possible I missed something.I guess suggesting that "Aryans are superior than everyone else" would not be classified as an offense either..(I can see Edwinasia point)

Disclaimer, I am not calling for the deletion of this thread.. or any other action. I am against censorship


BTW thumbs up to the UK gov for not being too "trigger happy" with the Censorship.
I support less censorship.

I've read the Race Relations Act (2003 Amended Version) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2003/20031626.htm) and the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060001.htm), and I can't find a law under which this thread's OP would be legitimately classified as an offense.

Anyone else want to give it a try? It's possible I missed something.
No, you didn't miss anything. The language of the acts does not in any way prohibit legitimate discourse, like a debate, as long as one does not do anything naughty like incite racial hatred or violence, or discrimination, or the likes.

That's clear in the texts, and also if you look at the site of the Crown Prosecution Service (http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/rrpbcrbook.html#Section1), and indeed also if you look at hate crimes as described by the Home Office. (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/hate-crime/)

A restriction on legitimate debate would also be against the European Convention of Human Rights articles 9 and 10. (http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/en/Treaties/Html/005.htm)

The poster is simply full of it...

I agree with you, suggesting that a particular race superior to all the other races.. is racism. This thread is Racist.

but, censorship should be used in extreme situations only.
or when they -govs- force you to use it.

It's racism. Most people agree.

I feel it as racism.

I don't like racism.

If I see racism, I remove it.

Racism is illegal. Also in UK. You can talk about it, but not shout it.

I asked the moderators dozen times to remove it, but they wont.

Ok, with a little help from my legal UK friends it will be removed.

Count on it.

Racism is illegal. Also in UK. You can talk about it, but not shout it.

I asked the moderators dozen times to remove it, but they wont.

Ok, with a little help from my legal UK friends it will be removed.

Count on it.
I do hope they don't, and it'd be a dark day for the UK if they did. Christ, if we did.

Not to go all Old Timer on this thread, but am I the only person who is suddenly wishing that we could take Ed on a trip through time so he could meet Paratoga?

If I see racism, I remove it.


Bollocks, you don't have the authority.


Racism is illegal. Also in UK. You can talk about it, but not shout it.


I'm not sure if it is possible to be more hideously erroneous, especially when you have been proven wrong over and over.


I asked the moderators dozen times to remove it, but they wont.


Good.


Ok, with a little help from my legal UK friends it will be removed.

Count on it.

As I said earlier, I will pay you £1,000,000 if this actually happens. Your friends should seriously consider taking up another profession.

I guess saying "Aryans are superior to all the other races" would not classified as an offense either..(I can see Edwinasia point)

I would be reluctant to delete such a statement unless it was:

1) Off-topic or spammy
2) In the context of inciting others to hate crimes
3) An act of flamebaiting against another poster

Most of the time, the people making such racist statements do end up violating the rules and get punished for it. But occasionally, a person will be sufficiently mild in their racist comments that they don't violate any site rules.

I think it's cultural. Jewish cultural values tend to encourage the kind of thinking and thought processes that are good for the sciences, and as a result they are more likely to succeed there. Also, I think the scientific community, especially in the past, was a lot more receptive to Jews than mainstream society and less infected with anti-Semitic sentiments, so it formed a safe place for Jewish people to pursue a prosperous career and to pursue things that interested them in an environment where their ideas would be well received.

mmm:confused:

Not to go all Old Timer on this thread, but am I the only person who is suddenly wishing that we could take Ed on a trip through time so he could meet Paratoga?

Wahahaha !

Not to go all Old Timer on this thread, but am I the only person who is suddenly wishing that we could take Ed on a trip through time so he could meet Paratoga?

Actually, I was just thinking of her.

It's racism. Most people agree.

I feel it as racism.

I don't like racism.

If I see racism, I remove it.

Racism is illegal. Also in UK. You can talk about it, but not shout it.

I asked the moderators dozen times to remove it, but they wont.

Ok, with a little help from my legal UK friends it will be removed.

Count on it.

Can you cite the actual laws and prohibitions that allow you to do this? So far, everything you've presented has been shown to be incorrect, so I'm very curious as to what "laws" you are making use of. This is genuine curiosity as I know nothing about UK legal code.

Racism is illegal. Also in UK. You can talk about it, but not shout it.
Why don't you prove...


Yeah. I know. You can't. Why do I bother asking...

UK Law is still above the forum rules, or don't they? :)

Yes, I don't see how this changes anything though.

Wow! £1,000,000!

Btw, I don't need authority. Just a simple complaint will do.

UK Law is still above the forum rules, or don't they? :)
Yes...

But there is no actual law against this thread!

Wow! £1,000,000!

Btw, I don't need authority. Just a simple complaint will do.

UK Law is still above the forum rules, or don't they? :)



Bollocks, you don't have the authority.



I'm not sure if it is possible to be more hideously erroneous, especially when you have been proven wrong over and over.



Good.



As I said earlier, I will pay you £1,000,000 if this actually happens. Your friends should seriously consider taking up another profession.

Why don't you prove...


Yeah. I know. You can't. Why do I bother asking...

I already did, for Belgium. THREE CLEAR RACIST CASES!

You said they aren't. Well all news media were lying to us, poor dumb Belgians :)

Wahahaha!

I find it amusing that you really think you can be a racist in public in UK.

You can't. It's not the US fucking A. Which is good! :)

I already did, for Belgium. THREE CLEAR RACIST CASES!


Clear incitement of racial hatred, which is explicitly stated. If you can't see the difference between the two, don't even bother trying to attempt to debate law.


You said they aren't. Well all news media were lying to us, poor dumb Belgians :)

Wahahaha!


If this is really true then, what can I say other then yes, poor you.


I find it amusing that you really think you can be a racist in public in UK.

You can't. It's not the US fucking A. Which is good! :)

Again, thinking that NSG counts as "public" is wrong. You can discuss racist opinions in public anyway. Also, fascist thought police policies are not good, if such were to exist in the UK.

I would be reluctant to delete such a statement unless it was:

1) Off-topic or spammy
2) In the context of inciting others to hate crimes
3) An act of flamebaiting against another poster

Most of the time, the people making such racist statements do end up violating the rules and get punished for it. But occasionally, a person will be sufficiently mild in their racist comments that they don't violate any site rules.


Racism is never mild. It only can be heavier.

There's no such thing as a nice murder as well...

I already did, for Belgium. THREE CLEAR RACIST CASES!

You said they aren't. Well all news media were lying to us, poor dumb Belgians :)

Wahahaha!

I find it amusing that you really think you can be a racist in public in UK.

You can't. It's not the US fucking A. Which is good! :)

Where have you done this in this thread and it hasn't been adequately refuted?

1# It's racism. Most people agree.

2# I feel it as racism.

3# I don't like racism.

4# If I see racism, I remove it.

5# Racism is illegal. Also in UK. You can talk about it, but not shout it.

6# I asked the moderators dozen times to remove it, but they wont.

7# Ok, with a little help from my legal UK friends it will be removed.

Count on it.1# They should, it is racism.
#2 Of course.
#3 Neither do I.
#4 Life does not work that way. even if you are the King of Spain :p
#5 We were talking about it.
#6 dude, ask them one time or two..

#7 ...

...

as a personal favor.. would you reconsider. You are really going to ruin my supper. And its a special dish my aunt made for me.

as a personal favor.. would you reconsider. You are really going to ruin my supper. And its a special dish my aunt made for me.
Apparently, he's already talked to them about it, to an extent.

Yes, I don't see how this changes anything though.

I assume if they accept my complaint and when they are prepared to take actions that they will try to settle it down in a friendly way:

They will send a mail to Jolt and ask to remove the racist stuff.

I assume the people at Jolt are reasonable, will avoid courtroom and shall delete the postings.

Btw I found more racist postings than only the current one.

I already asked what I should do, without name calling Jolt and if it would make any sense.
Those people said it will. It’s not that new for them anyway…

I already did, for Belgium. THREE CLEAR RACIST CASES!

You said they aren't. Well all news media were lying to us, poor dumb Belgians :)

Wahahaha!

I find it amusing that you really think you can be a racist in public in UK.

You can't. It's not the US fucking A. Which is good! :)
You should start paying more attention to the news, apparently. Or getting better news services.

Case one: Convicted for incitement of hate, discrimination. Not convicted for holding racist beliefs, but for inciting hate. Is that really difficult to understand?

Case two: Convicted for racist murders. Key word: Murder. Not convicted for holding racist beliefs, but for killing another person. Is that really difficult to understand?

Case three: Convicted for incitement to discrimination. Not convicted for holding racist beliefs, but for incitement of discrimination. Is that really difficult to understand?

Reading comprehension would do you good. Get some.

Where have you done this in this thread and it hasn't been adequately refuted?

He didn't. It was another thread. See here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13213227&postcount=84)

I assume if they accept my complaint and when they are prepared to take actions that they will try to settle it down in a friendly way:


Why would they do this, there would be no point.


They will send a mail to Jolt and ask to remove the racist stuff.

I assume the people at Jolt are reasonable, will avoid courtroom and shall delete the postings.


No, if somehow this retarded agency does send Jolt an email, Jolt will likely keep the thread and there will be nothing the agency can do about it, without itself committing an illegal act. In which case, Jolt would likely sue the agency.

I will pay you £1,000,000 if this actually happens. Your friends should seriously consider taking up another profession.oh boy.. this childish taunting is never going to stop.

Give your supper to me and I reconsider it, maybe :)


No, I asked for it several times.

I'm clean & honnest about I will do.

They have time enough to contact a lawyer or whatever.

So it's up to them, to remove it or not.



1# They should, it is racism.
#2 Of course.
#3 Neither do I.
#4 Life does not work that way. even if you are the King of Spain :p
#5 We were talking about it.
#6 dude, ask them one time or two..

#7 ...

...

as a personal favor.. would you reconsider. You are really going to ruin my supper. And its a special dish my aunt made for me.

Gravlen,

Please be silent. It's not that hard for me to find sources where they clearly talk about racism in these particular cases. But search for yourself.

Btw, here's the entire law:

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiracismewet






You should start paying more attention to the news, apparently. Or getting better news services.

Case one: Convicted for incitement of hate, discrimination. Not convicted for holding racist beliefs, but for inciting hate. Is that really difficult to understand?

Case two: Convicted for racist murders. Key word: Murder. Not convicted for holding racist beliefs, but for killing another person. Is that really difficult to understand?

Case three: Convicted for incitement to discrimination. Not convicted for holding racist beliefs, but for incitement of discrimination. Is that really difficult to understand?

Reading comprehension would do you good. Get some.

Give your supper to me and I reconsider it, maybe :)


No, I asked for it several times.

I'm clean & honnest about I will do.

They have time enough to contact a lawyer or whatever.

So it's up to them, to remove it or not.

Again, show your legal basis for this. I don't mind difference of opinion, but in every single thread I've seen you post in you've presented yourself in an arrogant, deceitful and ignorant manner. To some degree I've just assumed that it was an issue of translation, your grasp on English being poor for debates that take place in English, but it turns out you're just a generally belligerent and misinformed individual. I'd like to see you start backing your shit up with facts or logic, please, as would many other posters, I take it.

He didn't. It was another thread. See here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13213227&postcount=84)

You're just misquoting wiki. Ever heard of the concept synonym as well? :)

C’est une voiture!
Non, une auto!
Non, une voiture!
Non, une auto !
Je dis c’est une voiture !
Et moi, je dis c’est une auto !


Wahahaha

WTF is the point of this thread, please enlighten me.

I already did, for Belgium. THREE CLEAR RACIST CASES!

You said they aren't. Well all news media were lying to us, poor dumb Belgians :)

Wahahaha!

I find it amusing that you really think you can be a racist in public in UK.

You can't. It's not the US fucking A. Which is good! :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin#2005_prosecution_and_2006_retrial

Read and do your very best to actually comprehend what is said in the article. This man is one of the most racist in the UK and he frequently gives speeches yet they still chose to prosecute him using laws preventing incitement to racial hatred. If public racism is illegal in the UK then why hasn't the CPS used these laws?

Do you even know the difference between racist comments and inciting racial hatred?

Again, show your legal basis for this. I don't mind difference of opinion, but in every single thread I've seen you post in you've presented yourself in an arrogant, deceitful and ignorant manner. To some degree I've just assumed that it was an issue of translation, your grasp on English being poor for debates that take place in English, but it turns out you're just a generally belligerent and misinformed individual. I'd like to see you start backing your shit up with facts or logic, please, as would many other posters, I take it.

That's an insult. I'm sorry to hear you are trailer trash.

WTF is the point of this thread, please enlighten me.

Currently, there isn't one. So I might as well close it, no?

We'll just wait and see what happens.

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